The Healing Power of Bioregulatory Medicine

What if everything you thought you knew about your pet's health was only addressing symptoms rather than true causes? In this mind-expanding conversation, Dr. Marlene Siegel revolutionizes our understanding of animal health by unveiling the paradigm of bioregulatory medicine—a approach that looks beyond symptoms to address the fundamental imbalances creating disease.

Drawing from her extraordinary 40-year veterinary career, Dr. Marlene Siegel  breaks down the four critical factors underlying virtually all chronic disease: nutritional deficiencies, toxic overload, mitochondrial dysfunction, and trapped emotions. She explains why even premium commercial pet foods are "Franken foods"—enzymatically dead and unable to provide the vital life force energy our animals desperately need. With cancer now affecting more than 1 in 1.65 dogs, this conversation couldn't be more timely.

Through fascinating case studies—including a beagle nearly euthanized for a misdiagnosed tumor that was actually pelvic floor dysfunction—Dr. Siegel demonstrates how conventional veterinary approaches often miss the root causes of health problems. She shares powerful insights into cutting-edge therapies like photobiomodulation, ozone treatment, and structured water, while emphasizing the spiritual connection between pets and their owners. "Your pet is often the canary in your coal mine," she explains, highlighting how animals frequently manifest physical issues that mirror their owners' unresolved emotional patterns.

The beauty of Dr. Siegel's approach lies in its accessibility. Rather than overwhelming listeners with an all-or-nothing mentality, she provides practical strategies anyone can implement, including her brilliant "Column A/Column B" method for gradual, sustainable lifestyle changes. This conversation goes far beyond animal health to touch on our relationship with the planet itself, inviting us to become more conscious participants in our "Earth school" experience.

Whether you're struggling with a pet health crisis or simply seeking to provide your animal companions with the vibrant life they deserve, this episode will transform how you think about health, healing, and the profound connections between all living beings. Ready to awaken to a new paradigm of wellness? This is your i

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  life, you're in the right place.
  I'm your host, dr Edward, theHealing Vet, and would you like
  to introduce yourself?
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (00:41):
  Hey everybody , I'm just honored to be here.
  I wish I was filming next toyou in Australia, that would be
  even cooler, but Florida for now.
  I am Dr Marlene Siegel.
  I've been doing integratedveterinary medicine for over 25
  years, but I've been in practicea total of 40 years, so I don't
  know if I'm a little older thanyou, dr Ed, and a little bit.
  
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  So I would say, really, what Ido, I used to call it
  integrative medicine, used tocall it holistic medicine, but
  what I really call it now isbioregulatory medicine.
  And the reason we're making thedistinction is because so many
  people that are hanging theirholistic shingle out or they're
  saying they're an integrated vet, they're still practicing
  Western mindset where it'ssymptom management, symptom
  
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  suppression, pill for the ill,diet for the disease, but
  they're not addressing the rootcause of the problem.
  And what I do is I actuallylook for the functional problem.
  What is the root cause that iscreating the symptom, and then
  how do we fix that?
  
  Dr Edward (01:43):
  Well, the whole constellation of symptoms.
  There's usually one or twothings underneath that that can
  be expressed in a lot ofdifferent ways.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (01:50):
  Absolutely yeah.
  So we find that reallyeverything boils down to a
  deficiency of essentialnutrients, an overwhelming
  amount of toxicity,mitochondrial dysfunction, the
  little powerhouses that can'tmake energy and can't
  communicate effectively anymore.
  And then the fourth factor inthere is trapped emotions, and
  
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  when you put those four together, that's your formula for a
  disaster.
  
  Dr Edward (02:15):
  I'd probably add, in the silent physical pain which
  is caught up in the soft tissues.
  I'll just quickly introducemyself because, in case you're
  new to this podcast and youhaven't met me before, I'm Dr
  Edward, the healing vet, and Ihelp deeply caring people, pets
  and horses unfold profoundhealing and healthy
  relationships through somaticawareness, therapeutic touch,
  
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  intuitive perception and energyhealing.
  Yeah, so we're going to beexploring a healthy, sustainable
  lifestyle today, and you'vealready kind of started diving
  into that Bioregulatory.
  What do you mean by that?
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (02:50):
  So bioregulatory medicine is a
  human approach that's been inEurope for hundreds of years,
  and it is simply understandinghow the biology of the body
  actually functions, thebiochemical pathways and all the
  elements that help the body todo its job, and then finding
  what those areas are that arebeing interrupted, and then
  
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  whether it's interrupted becausethere's a deficiency or
  toxicity or there's somethinghappening that's causing a
  disruption to those pathways.
  That leads then to the symptomof a dis-ease.
  
  Dr Edward (03:28):
  And what were the four things you mentioned again?
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (03:31):
  So number one is deficiency, and those are
  deficiencies of essentialnutrients.
  Number two is toxicities, andthose are overwhelming the six
  organs of elimination to wherethe body can't function and
  support itself properly.
  Number three is mitochondrialdysfunction, which is not just
  the inability to produce energy,but also the communication
  
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  between the mitochondria and themicrobiome, all the organisms
  that live in and on us.
  Number four is trapped emotions.
  Now, as you mentioned, pain isin there.
  Inflammation is theunderpinning of all that we see,
  but the inflammation is aconsequence of either deficiency
  , toxicity or mitochondrialdysfunction okay.
  
  Dr Edward (04:17):
  So then um, let's let's work through these each in
  a little bit more kind of depthand detail.
  Let's start off with thedeficiency and nutrients.
  So I'd be curious about acouple things.
  One is how do you work out whatthe deficiencies are and then
  how do you remedy them?
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (04:35):
  so super easy and great question.
  We actually test.
  So my my own personal motto istest, don guess.
  And so we have labs thatactually are looking for the
  nutrients vitamin D, magnesium,b12, zinc, selenium, I mean
  there's a whole list, a wholepanel of nutrients that we're
  looking to see.
  
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  Are they too low, are they toohigh, are they near the median?
  And so that's step number oneis we're looking for those
  deficiencies median and sothat's step number one is we're
  looking for those deficiencies,and I'll define the essential
  nutrients as those nutrientsthat the body cannot manufacture
  in sufficient quantity on itsown.
  So we were designedintentionally to have to eat
  
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  these nutrients in our diet, andyou can go on Google and look
  at essential amino acids,vitamins, minerals and fatty
  acids, so they're known toeverybody.
  The question is, why don't wehave it in our diet in our
  modern days?
  Because our food is being grownin non-regenerative methods and
  so the soil is stripped anddepleted of the micronutrients.
  
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  Therefore, the plants that aregrowing on that soil, even
  though they're growing becausewe're feeding them nitrogen and
  phosphorus and potassium,they're not getting those
  micronutrients into them that weneed to have in our diet.
  So whatever is eating thoseplant materials that are grown
  on deficient soils.
  Down the line, everything'sgoing to still be deficient.
  
  Dr Edward (06:03):
  So can you have functional nutrition
  deficiencies, where there is,you know, and I'm going to talk
  a little bit about processedfoods, because they apparently
  are balanced and apparently haveall the nutrients that are
  needed in them, but myexperience is that animals can't
  access or use them.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (06:23):
  Correct because they're typically
  putting in synthetics.
  The food industry was notdesigned to keep us healthy or
  our pets, and I think it's evenworse for our pets.
  So these processed food dietsthey are literally heated at
  ridiculously high temperatures,stripping all the nutrients.
  They're devoid of enzymesbecause they've been heated at
  such high temperatures thenatural enzymes that were
  
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  originally in that food aredestroyed.
  And then they try to make ithealthy by adding back in
  synthetic vitamins and theseminerals and fatty acids, which
  is just a formula for disaster,because these formulas are very
  high in carbohydrates.
  They're enzymatically dead.
  If it's a kibble or dried food,then it doesn't even have the
  
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  moisture that these animals weredesigned to eat.
  So I call it Franken food.
  
  Dr Edward (07:11):
  And I call it dead.
  I call it dead.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (07:14):
  Yeah, it's dead food, it's Franken food,
  it's certainly not theirbiological diet and it's
  certainly not sustainable.
  So it's not a surprise thatwe're seeing the levels of
  disease that we are in today'spets.
  So I don't know about Australia, but here in the US
  statistically we say that cancerrates in dogs are higher than
  one out of 1.65.
  
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  It's nearly 100% Cats, one outof three and that's highly
  underreported.
  But when we add in things likeobesity, osteoarthritis,
  gastrointestinal diseaseswhether it be vomiting or
  diarrhea skin problems,osteoarthritis, autoimmune
  diseases literally we've justnamed 100% of the animals that
  we see have some form of illnessand they usually become chronic
  
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  .
  
  Dr Edward (09:04):
  Are you familiar with the concept of biophotons and
  biophotonic charge in livingorganisms?
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (09:11):
  I am, you know, richard fluke, don't you?
  No you don't.
  Okay, never mind, all right.
  So, yes, I'm aware ofbiophotons, I'm aware of the
  energy in light and we as lifebeings and how we utilize that
  absolutely one of the thingsI've found really interesting is
  
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  that you can measurebiophotonic charge.
  
  Dr Edward (09:33):
  you know living beings emit a biophotonic charge
  , and how much and how coherentthat kind of radiation is is a
  very strong indicator ofvitality, well-beingbeing, all
  that sort of thing.
  But if you get a conventionallygrown cabbage and you get an
  organically grown cabbage, theorganically grown cabbage has
  drastically more biophotoniccharge and when we eat these
  
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  foods and when our animals eatthese foods, we're literally
  eating healthy light as well asthe substance of the kind of
  nutrients and all that sort ofthing.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (10:07):
  Absolutely Well.
  One of the things that Iutilize a lot in my practice is
  photobiomodulation, which isusing light, and photodynamic
  therapy, which is using light inconjunction with a
  photoactivator, so typically anatural compound, something that
  has a lot of polyphenols, andwe know what the activation
  
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  levels, what light frequencywould activate that, and then we
  can do that either topically orintravenously.
  
  Dr Edward (10:35):
  Intravenously.
  How do you do thatintravenously?
  I haven't heard of that.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (10:38):
  We have a special.
  It's a Weber laser.
  It's made by Dr Michael Weberand he's out of Germany and he
  distributes this machineworldwide.
  So there's a fiber optic thatis what goes into the vein.
  So we put a 22-gauge catheter,like a regular catheter, goes
  into the vein and then thisfiber optic feeds up that
  
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  catheter and screws in.
  So it's now a part of thecatheter and screws in.
  So it's now a part of thecatheter.
  And when we turn on thedifferent colors, that color is
  picked up by the red blood cellsand then it's distributed
  around the body.
  So let's say we want to work onkilling certain cancers.
  We can give a product like ICG,which is endocyanal green, and
  
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  that molecule is absorbed intoabnormal tissue and then we
  activate it with infrared lightand when we activate it it
  becomes much more powerful andit makes all these reactive
  species inside the tumor and itcauses cell lysis.
  
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  So it's a fabulous way to beable to do cancer therapies
  without creating a lot of toxicside effects okay, that's kind
  of high level um integrativeholistic technology it is.
  Yeah, we need to be doing moreof this because it is quite
  remarkable.
  And can I share a case?
  Because I don't think I?
  And can I share a case BecauseI don't think I have to write
  
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  this case up.
  So it was a little beagle mixthat came in.
  She's about 11 years old andshe had gone to her veterinarian
  because every time she went tohave a bowel movement she was
  screaming in pain.
  I mean, like blood curdling.
  Screaming.
  Now, given it was a beagle,that's what they do, but this
  dog was in a lot of pain and hadblood every time she had a
  bowel movement.
  
  Dr Edward (12:29):
  So they went to their vet.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (12:31):
  The vet did a little digital rectal exam and
  said oh, this dog has a tumor inthe rectum.
  So they gave him a poorprognosis, recommended
  euthanasia and they decided tocome to me for a second opinion.
  So they come in and I do myexam for a second opinion.
  So they come in and I do myexam.
  I put my finger in the rectumand sure enough, there's a mass
  in the rectum.
  So we talked to them aboutdoing the workup finding out the
  
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  deficiencies and the toxicities.
  We were going to get a biopsy ofthe mass image it find out what
  exactly it was.
  I could tell it wasn't the analgland, but this was right in
  the rectum and it was very, verypainful to the dog.
  So we got all of our workupdone.
  We bring the dog back in for asurgical exploratory.
  So she's on the, she's underanesthesia now and she's on the
  
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  surgery table and we have thetable tilted so her head is down
  and gravity's pullingeverything.
  I put my finger in the rectumand there's no mass and I went
  oh my gosh, did it just fallforward.
  So I'm checking over the rim ofthe pelvis and I can't find the
  mass.
  So I'm a little confusedbecause I know it was there, I
  felt it myself.
  
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  We wake the dog up and I justhad that thought check her again
  .
  And when I did, I could feel itagain and what was happening
  was she was prolapsing herrectum, so she had pelvic floor
  dysfunction.
  Go figure, old lady right.
  So this pelvic floordysfunction is becoming a really
  
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  big, probably one of the top,next to cancer, one of the top
  female problems in the US, andso we started treating this dog
  with low level light therapy orphotobiomodulation, of course,
  correcting the deficiencies, thetoxicities.
  We had her in the hyperbaricchamber.
  We put the fiber optic in therectum and actually did colors
  
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  that would then increasecollagen and increase support of
  that whole pelvic canal.
  And then we did exercises forthe owner at home, we did fascia
  decompression, things thatwould strengthen the pelvic
  floor.
  Within three days to a weekthis dog was having no more
  problems normal bowel movements,no screaming, and we see her
  about once a month for littletune-ups and she's doing
  
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  fabulous okay, so it wasn'tactually a tumor it was not a
  tumor.
  but it was such an interestingcase because no one had ever
  written up pelvic floordysfunction in a dog, and yet
  this dog could have beeneuthanized over a misdiagnosis.
  So luckily the owners wanted toget a second opinion and they
  didn't give up on her and theywent through the whole protocol
  
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  to get all of the.
  You know she was on processedfood so we had to change her to
  a raw diet.
  We had to get the rightsupplements in.
  We fixed the nutritionaldeficiencies that we identified
  with the right supplementation.
  We did detoxification for theheavy metals and the toxins that
  she had, and that's a lifestylefor them.
  This is an ongoing thing.
  It's not going to be.
  Oh look, we gave a pill, the ill, the problem is gone, we go
  
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  back to living the life that weused to live and that, if
  there's no driving point that Imake in this entire conversation
  with you, dr Ed, is that we canno longer live this blind,
  toxic lifestyle where it's fast,cheap and convenient and not
  
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  expect to have breakdowns in usand our pets and Mother Earth.
  There's consequences for thatand it's really a very important
  time in the history of thisplanet that we need to wake up.
  We need to start payingattention to what we're doing in
  and on our body, in ourenvironment, to our pets, and
  make those lifestyle changes sothat we literally lead a more
  
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  sustainable, healthy,longevity-producing lifestyle.
  But we can't keep doing thesame things that we were doing
  and expect a different result.
  
  Dr Edward (16:17):
  So you've been in practice for 40 years.
  I've been in practice for 30.
  You're just a young kid now.
  I'm a young kid on the, I know,um, and, and I moved into the
  more holistic type of stuff fora couple of reasons.
  One was that when I was only ayear and a half out, I had a
  fellow vet who worked withhorses next and he started me
  
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  off on my kind of physicaltherapies journey.
  But then a few years after thatI got chronic fatigue syndrome
  and what I didn't know was lymedisease and was very unwell with
  that for about 20 years.
  And that's really whattriggered me into the holistic,
  integrative type thing, becauseI had to explore all of that, a
  whole lot of that, for me to getwell.
  So how did you, um, what's yourjourney as a vet been and what
  
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  moved you into this integrativetype?
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (17:06):
  Yeah, so generally yeah, it wasn't a
  health issue for me but it wasfor my horse.
  So we were showing horses mytwo young daughters at the time
  we were all into doing horseshowing and my youngest was 10
  years old, still a walker trotrider, and she was in the arena.
  
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  They were undefeated at everylevel.
  They were just an amazing duo.
  And something happened in thatshow where the horse started to
  canter twice you know loud noiseor something but she spooked
  uncharacteristically and theycalled the riders into lineup.
  The trainer is standing infront of their walk trot riders
  and the horse just started tokind of tremble her neck like
  
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  something was attacking it.
  And as it happened, as thehorse was making those neck
  gestures, the trainer reachedher hand up, thinking it was
  maybe her hair tickling her ears.
  And when she reached her handup, the horse pulled her neck
  back and it caused later werealized a spasm and the horse
  reared in the air.
  
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  Well, as you know, the numberone cause of a rider's death is
  when their horse falls over andcrushes them.
  So we had a 50 pound 10 yearold child and a 2000 pound horse
  and no one had taught mydaughter to let go of the reins
  and just jump to safety.
  So she was literally danglingfrom the reins and a double bit
  in this horse's mouth and actingas a fulcrum and literally
  
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  pulling the horse over backwards.
  So as the horse was realizingthat she couldn't get her feet
  back on the ground, she squattedon her left hind leg and pushed
  herself like a plie motion.
  She pushed herself as hard asshe could in the opposite
  direction of where my daughterstarted to slide off the saddle.
  But when the horse hit theground you couldn't see space
  
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  between the two of them.
  So I truly did not know what Iwas going to find.
  When I jumped over the rail, bythe time I got halfway there,
  the horse had caught her breathand got back onto her feet, but
  my daughter was on the ground,not moving.
  So when I got halfway there,the horse had caught her breath
  and got back onto her feet, butmy daughter was on the ground,
  not moving.
  So when I got there she openedher eyes Are you OK?
  And the only thing, thank God,that she hurt was her pride.
  But back home we had a coupleof more incidences where
  
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  something just wasn't right.
  The horse started to do thisagain, and so I had equine vets
  come out and look at her andthey said we don't know what's
  wrong with her.
  All we can tell you is she'snot going to be safe to ever be
  shown again.
  She's seven years old.
  She was a US national championin open division.
  That meant the trainer went inand beat all of the big guys,
  
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  and she was also the samenational champion in Canada.
  That was a big thing to beginwith.
  However, this horse had savedmy daughter's life and there was
  nothing that was going to stopme from fixing that horse.
  So when the equine vets cameback and said here's your two
  options you can put her out topasture for the rest of her life
  or you can put her down, andneither of those was acceptable.
  
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  And that was my wake up and Isaid, first of all, I don't
  blame you guys.
  I understand you don't have anyother tools in your toolkit,
  but I'm that horse and I don'tcare where I have to go to
  figure it out.
  And at that time, functionalmedicine on the human world was
  just in its infancy.
  So I was on every webinar, Iwas on every email list.
  
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  I'm calling all these humandoctors that are moving into
  functional medicine and askingquestions, and they'd come back
  and go.
  I don't know anything abouthorses.
  You don't have to know anythingabout horses.
  You just tell me what you woulddo for a person and I'll figure
  out how to extrapolate theinformation.
  And so that's what we startedto do.
  I started with chiropracticsacupuncture.
  
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  I was using laser.
  Started to do I started withchiropractics acupuncture I was
  using laser.
  That's all I had in my toolkitat the time, and five months
  after being told she would neverbe safe to be ridden again,
  that little duo went on to winthe United States Youth Reserve
  National Championship, which isthe most prestigious youth show
  in the entire United States.
  So, moral of story never, ever,let somebody define your
  
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  possibilities, whether it's you,your child, your pet.
  There's always solutions,there's always answers.
  Not that you're going to liveforever it's not about that but
  restoring quality of life, beingable to do something that
  restores integrity and honor,those are all a possibility.
  
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  You just have to go a littlefurther, out of the sandbox into
  a world that you may not haveexplored.
  So when I entered that arena,there was no guidance, there was
  no teacher, there was noroadmap.
  I literally had to create it.
  I literally had to create it.
  
  Dr Edward (21:46):
  Awesome what a great story.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (21:48):
  Yeah, in fact , lily just passed away this
  year, so she was in her 30s.
  
  Dr Edward (21:57):
  Yeah, yeah, I've got a horse who has ECVM equine
  complex vertebral malformationand I didn't know about it
  before I got this horse.
  Now I know a lot about it.
  It's a terrible, terrible thing.
  You can't can't really do muchwith it because it's a
  structural issue, you know yeah.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (22:18):
  So what lily's issue turned out to be
  was literally the points on theback of her molars were not
  being floated properly.
  Mind you, she's in a expensiveshow barn and they had their own
  dentist coming in and theyweren't filing her teeth
  properly, so her jaw was lockingand she couldn't break.
  At the pole where she had tobring her neck down to be able
  
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  to tuck her chin in, shecouldn't do it because she
  literally had bones on the sidefrom her teeth that were holding
  her jaw in place.
  So she was straining her neckfor years and that caused severe
  arthritis in her neck.
  
  Dr Edward (22:54):
  Yeah, that'll do it.
  So let's talk a little bitabout toxicity, and so what are
  the main kinds of toxicity thatanimals and humans are being
  affected by, and what can we doabout it?
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (23:07):
  So the toxins are coming in from multiple
  areas.
  Water is one big area.
  Most municipalities do notfilter their water for
  glyphosate and heavy metals anda lot of other carcinogens.
  There's over a hundred thousandtoxins that have been developed
  just since World War Two.
  These are synthetic toxins thathave been released into our
  
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  food and water and animalsupplies and they are now
  circulating at ridiculously highconcentrations in food and
  water and, of course, in thelivestock industry our food
  supply.
  So that's a big area.
  And then, of course, the diet,because a lot of processed foods
  are coming from unfit sourcesof meat where they've been
  
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  injected or road kills orprocessed with all kinds of
  chemicals.
  And then chemtrails.
  I don't know if that's aproblem for you in Australia,
  but we get sprayed almost on adaily basis and you can just see
  the planes and you see thesechemtrails and it just drops
  this fog on you.
  I live in a food forest, aself-made food forest, and I
  have plants that are blooming atthe wrong time of year.
  
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  They're making fruit the wrongtime of year and has been for a
  good five years.
  So it's really the ground'sbecoming very toxic.
  The earth can't breatheproperly.
  Aluminum is one of the biggestfactors that we're dealing with.
  A lot of our pharmaceuticalshave a lot of metals in them.
  Vaccines A lot of the productsthat we use topically can have a
  
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  lot of toxins.
  Plasticides this is the BPAthat is in so many things.
  plastics the receipt when youprint your receipts, you know
  know, a little paper that itdoesn't last very long anyway,
  because the letters go away veryrapidly.
  Those receipts are loaded withbpa so we've gone to wearing
  
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  gloves.
  You know, when we have to givepeople receipts or ask them do
  you want to receive?
  We can email you a receipt, butbut it's super toxic.
  So we have to look at ourcleaning supplies.
  We have to look at the thingsthat we're washing in and
  washing our pets in and doingour laundry in, because they're
  loaded with xenoestrogens,hormone disrupting chemicals.
  
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  A lot of petroleum basedproducts.
  So many candles you would thinka candle would be innocuous,
  but if they come from petroleumbased products, when you're
  lighting them there, that smokeis coming off is very toxic.
  Uh, cookware there's so manycookwares now that that teflon,
  the, the non-stick the um, theforever, chemicals, the pfas and
  
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  all those things and all thenon-stick stuff.
  
  Dr Edward (25:44):
  Every time you use a non-stick thing, you are giving
  yourself a poisoning.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (25:48):
  Absolutely, and you know, we know,
  especially with bird owners.
  They know not to have the birdsnear the kitchen because if the
  birds smell that they're dead.
  
  Dr Edward (25:57):
  Yeah, they drop dead literally from a hot, the fumes
  coming off a hot non-stick pan.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (26:04):
  So that's where they're coming from.
  What do we do about that?
  Well, we have to be betterdiscerning shoppers.
  We have to vote for companieswith our dollars that are making
  healthier products.
  So, staying away from processedfoods, getting good filtration
  on our water, things that notonly filter all the way up to
  
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  heavy metals and glyphosate butalso structure the water, it's
  another whole topic.
  But filtered, structured wateris what is in our bodies and
  it's what our bodies utilize.
  So if we don't drink that, ourbody's going to try and filter
  it and it's going to try andstructure it, but it's taking
  metabolic energy away from otherthings to be able to do that
  
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  and it's not that effective.
  So we need to be better atdoing things like that.
  We have to stay away from asmuch processed foods as possible
  .
  We need to go back to DIY.
  You know, make your own soaps,make your own cleaning products
  out of essential oils andvinegar or hydrogen peroxide.
  You know super easy things.
  
  Dr Edward (27:07):
  And you know, with your water, even if you just
  stir it one way and then stir itthe other, and while it's still
  moving, do it three or fourtimes in both directions, that's
  enough to make a significantdifference to the structure it
  does Also taking herbs that weregrown organically in the sun.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (27:24):
  the water in those herbs is structured, so
  when you drop those herbs intoyour water, it will structure
  the water as you're circling itaround.
  
  Dr Edward (27:33):
  yeah, yeah, and you know fermenting stuff, like we
  have a jun ferment on our benchwhich is like kombucha, but it's
  with green tea and honeyinstead of black tea and sugar.
  That's another way to take yourwater and make it very, very
  alive and fill it with lifeforce, and it's all structured
  
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  because of the SCOBY workingthrough not just physically
  changing the sugars, butenergetically affecting the
  water.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (28:04):
  Yes, and structuring is a wonderful thing
  and I think it's absolutelycritically important, but
  structuring won't necessarilyfilter your toxins out, so I
  think doing both is very, veryimportant, and there's now
  systems where you could have itat your sink.
  So for me I have a system whereit makes structured filtered
  water and on the other side itmakes structured, filtered and
  hydrogen molecular hydrogenstructured filtered water and on
  
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  the other side it makesstructured, filtered and
  hydrogen molecular hydrogen inthe water, and that molecular
  hydrogen acts as an antioxidant.
  It donates its hydrogen positiveion to the free radicals.
  And the oxidative stress thatwe're under so much of these
  days and that's maybe let'sexplain that a little bit for
  our listeners is that our bodyjust doing its own metabolic
  
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  thing breathing, walking, eatingyou know, living.
  We create a certain amount ofreactive oxygen species.
  These are kind of damaged cells, and back in the day we ate a
  diet that had an equal amount ofantioxidants.
  So we're creating oxidativestress and then we want to eat
  
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  foods that balance thatoxidative stress so that it
  doesn't become damaging to theoverall system.
  And that worked great beforeour modern society.
  But now the amount of oxidativestress that we create on our
  bodies, we could physically notbe able to eat enough foods to
  
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  offset that oxidative damage.
  You can't possibly eat enoughantioxidants unless you take
  them in supplement form and or amore concentrated form.
  So molecular hydrogen water isone beautiful answer for helping
  to contribute more antioxidants.
  And then of course, eating acleaner, healthier diet and
  trying to get good sleep andbreathe diaphragmatically and
  
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  make sure you're in a state ofgratitude.
  That actually helps your petsas well, because they're going
  to entrain to your energy,actually helps your pets as well
  , because they're going toentrain to your energy.
  So the more you live a healthylifestyle, your pets will
  automatically have that benefitthat is very true.
  
  Dr Edward (30:15):
  I strongly, strongly agree with that.
  It's um and this gets back tothe same thing of of eating food
  that is alive and has a a wholestrong charge of life force
  energy, a biophotonic charge,whatever you want to call it,
  because that adds to your pet'svital life force battery.
  I always think of animalshaving a vitality battery, which
  
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  is kind of an abstract thing,but the more you can do to make
  that battery stronger so it canhold more vitality and keep it
  charged, then the happier andhealthier and longer-lived your
  pet will be.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (30:48):
  In my experience, that's literally
  your answer to longevity,because when that life force
  starts to go down, you're on anexit path.
  
  Dr Edward (30:59):
  So mitochondria Now I have a chronic fatigue syndrome
  which I strongly believe is amitochondrial disease, and
  likewise Lyme disease, I believe, really parasitizes because
  it's an intracellular parasiticbacteria.
  It gets in there and basicallysiphons off everything from your
  mitochondria.
  I got to tell you from personalexperience having mitochondria
  that don't function is not a lotof fun.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (31:22):
  Yeah, I can imagine.
  I can only imagine the lack ofenergy.
  So we do see Lyme disease inour pets as well, and they
  typically come in with very highwhite blood cell counts.
  They have tons of inflammation.
  Their C-reactive protein, themeasure of inflammation, is
  super, super high.
  And we also measure somethingcalled TK1, thymidine kinase 1.
  
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  And it is a dysregulation ofDNA and it's released from cells
  that are dying from necrosis,apoptosis, which is programmed
  cell death.
  That doesn't release TK1,because that's a normal process.
  That regulatory pathway to pickup that DNA is different.
  To pick up that DNA isdifferent.
  
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  But when we have cells that aredying from either cancer or
  something like a tick-bornedisease or rickettsia, that's a
  spirochete that's breaking downthe cell, then you get that
  dysregulation and the TK1 ismeasurable.
  You can actually pick that up.
  So we'll see that as indicatorsof Lyme's, because in most
  traditional practices themethodology to test for Lyme's
  
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  is not accurate.
  So this dog that we had had beenin Connecticut, which is high
  Lyme's area.
  They tested for Lyme's diseaseand it was negative.
  But I tested when he came to mesix months later I did
  bioenergetic testing and he wasvery positive and he was
  positive for co-infections aswell.
  
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  So we started treating him withcombinations of.
  Of course, we changed his diet.
  We got the terrain built backup.
  He was on a raw diet, the rightsupplements, he was on products
  to reduce inflammation at thecellular level.
  We were using ozone, we wereusing hyperbaric oxygen
  frequency lasers andphotobiomodulation on that dog
  
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  and within literally 48 hoursthis dog could lift its head.
  It's running around the yard.
  It was acting like a puppy.
  The inflammation was virtuallygone in three weeks, but the TK1
  had gone higher, and that wasbecause these spirochetes were
  really trying to replicate.
  They were on the threshold ofbeing killed off and so they
  
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  were like, oh my gosh, let's geton the move here.
  And so they had gone higher.
  So, even though the TK1 hadgone higher, clinically the dog
  was a lot better.
  But because he was better, theowner said, oh well, we're going
  to go ahead and stop treatments, stop treatments ironically,
  the owner had Lyme's disease aswell.
  
  Dr Edward (33:51):
  Yeah, well it's.
  It's an intracellular parasite,so if it's inside the cells
  it's kind of hard to actuallypick it up with any kind of test
  .
  It yeah it, it just hides away.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (34:03):
  It's a bugger of a thing yeah, so we pick up,
  we um with bioenergeticscanning, we pick up the
  frequency of it, and so we'repretty accurate yeah, um.
  
  Dr Edward (34:16):
  So what do you do to treat thick mitochondria?
  What, what kind of strategiesand things do you, do you use?
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (34:24):
  so interestingly, we do everything
  that I just described to you.
  So we go through the entirelifestyle and try to get rid of
  as many stressors as possible,and then we make sure all the
  essential nutrients are on boardso that animal has at least the
  functional foundations for thecells to work.
  
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  And then we have specificproducts that are going to
  reduce inflammation, heal thegut, and then we start doing
  therapies to help startproducing mitochondrial
  biogenesis.
  We want to make moremitochondria and we want to make
  healthier mitochondria.
  So there is a syndrome inpeople it's never been discussed
  
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  in animals called the celldanger response mode.
  What it means?
  Have you ever heard of this?
  
  Dr Edward (35:12):
  No, but it sounds interesting.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (35:14):
  Very interesting.
  So it's only been probably inthe last 10 years that this has
  actually been discovered.
  So the vagus nerve is the nervethat, when stimulated, turns on
  the parasympathetic nervoussystem and that's our rest,
  repair, digest system.
  On the opposite of theautonomic nervous system is the
  sympathetic nervous system andthat's the one that gets turned
  
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  on when you have to run fromdanger or fight.
  It's your fight flight.
  So imagine these are on ateeter totter.
  So you have sympathetic, youhave parasympathetic.
  When a danger presents itself,sympathetic gets all turned on
  and your parasympathetic is onstandby because it doesn't need
  to do anything until it findsout if you survived or not.
  Then, once the danger is gone,then your parasympathetic side
  
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  comes in to fix and repair,digest reproduction, all the
  other things that happen whenyou're not trying to save your
  life digest reproduction, allthe other things that happen
  when you're not trying to saveyour life.
  Well, in situations of peoplewhere they're under chronic
  stress, chronic pain, chronicillness, they discovered that
  
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  there is a ventral route to thevagus nerve.
  The dorsal root is what turnson the parasympathetic nervous
  system.
  But the ventral root getsturned on when there's nonstop
  high sympathetic tone and ittells the mitochondria that
  mother ship's going down.
  And if you want to, if you wantto survive, as many of you as
  
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  possible go into the bunker,cover your ears and just go, la,
  la, la, la la until you findout if your organism, if your
  planet, survives or not.
  So what they discovered wasthese people who were doing
  everything right, they weredoing the right medications,
  they were taking the rightsupplements, they were doing the
  
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  right therapies, but thisportion of the population wasn't
  responding.
  And that's when they discoveredthat this cell danger response
  mode, the mitochondria, aren'tlistening because they're hiding
  in the bunker.
  So you have to then figure outhow to really turn off that
  sympathetic dysregulation.
  
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  It's truly a dysregulation ofthe nervous system, and when you
  can fix that so that theindividual can truly go back
  into rest and repair, then thewhole process goes back into
  normalcy and then you can startto heal.
  But it may take doing a varietyof different things, from
  
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  detoxification to neural inputchanges, to changing your
  thinking, to repatterning howyou're thinking, anything to fix
  that dysregulation, becauseyou've got to get out of
  sympathetic tone oh god, yeah,um, and I use relaxing touch for
  that and I've seen someremarkable, remarkable
  
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  improvements in anxiety symptoms, trauma symptoms.
  
  Dr Edward (38:11):
  One of our students had a dog that had had a
  hideously violent beginning tolife and when they took this dog
  home it had awfulgastrointestinal issues,
  vomiting diarrhea all the time,it had terrible, terrible skin
  and allergies.
  And it had awfulgastrointestinal issues,
  vomiting diarrhea all the time,had terrible, terrible skin and
  allergies and it had extremeanxiety.
  
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  You know, if they try to takeit outside the yard it would
  start going into full panic modedoing backflips and all this
  kind of thing.
  But took this, took him about amonth to get this dog to even
  accept therapeutic touch.
  But within a couple of monthsof regular therapeutic touch the
  anxiety went away, whichmedication did nothing for, by
  the way, and the gut and skinissues was being medicated for
  
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  and maybe had 10 improvement.
  Didn't really fix it, but overnine months, without changing
  anything else, just continuallybringing the body back into that
  parasympathetic state,everything improved by about 90%
  .
  So yeah, I totally agree thatone of the most important things
  you can do for sustainablewellbeing is to be anchored into
  
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  that green zone of healthyrelaxation, rest, digest,
  regenerate type of thing,Absolutely.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (39:26):
  We do a few other things, like we'll'll do
  tapping, which a lot of peoplemay be familiar with.
  I've got a cough um, so tappingis one um.
  It's kind of similar to whatyou're doing, but we're tapping
  on acupressure points thatstimulate the parasympathetic
  nervous system.
  There's frequency tones,there's deep breathing exercises
  
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  which we can't really teach thedogs how to do deep breathing
  but we can do fasciadecompression and it's amazing
  what happens when we release thefascia, because the fascia is
  holding a lot of that emotionalimprint.
  So that's pretty important.
  And then there's specificsupplements that we use a lot of
  , like a fermented beta-glucanthat helps with mitochondrial
  
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  health, and there's a few otherproducts that we'll use that
  help to improve the metabolismof the mitochondria.
  
  Dr Edward (40:20):
  Awesome.
  So wow, you do a lot of coolthings.
  I wish I had some of thetechnology you're talking about
  here.
  I've just got a little homevisit practice so I can't.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (40:31):
  We can make arrangements for that, Dr Ed,
  and I'll come and do yourtraining.
  
  Dr Edward (40:35):
  Well, maybe, maybe, we'll talk about that at another
  point.
  So trapped emotions are yourfourth thing, yeah.
  So how do emotions get trappedand how do you untrap them?
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (40:47):
  So we know about trapped emotions.
  The Chinese figured this outwhat?
  3,000 years ago.
  And so when you talk to Chinesepractitioners, and they know
  that certain organs haveemotions associated with them,
  so we know that the liver isassociated with anger and the
  bladder and kidneys areassociated with fear, and so we
  
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  know that these relationshipsexist.
  So what happens is when weexperience a horrific emotion
  and we don't know quite how todeal with it.
  Let's say it's an emotionaltrauma, like you found out your
  spouse was cheating on you, orthere was a death that you
  weren't expecting, or you knowGod forbid something horrible
  
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  and you don't quite process that.
  Well, if you're dealing withgrief, you may have lung
  problems.
  Or, for women, a lot of theirbreast cancers come from the
  trapped emotions of feelingunworthy, guilty, shameful.
  The trapped emotions of feelingunworthy, guilty, shameful,
  hurt, unresolved, those kind ofissues.
  
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  So what happens for the animalsis that this gets a little
  woo-woo, is they are?
  Let me back up, because I thinkwe live in a hologram.
  I think this is a fun adventureand we incarnate and we have
  all of these helpful cluesaround us.
  Now, sometimes people aren'taware that they're in the
  hologram.
  So that they're in the hologramand they're a victim of the
  
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  hologram instead of they areplaying the game and helping to
  move it in the direction thatthey want to move it to.
  But once we become awakened westart realizing that nothing is
  really happening, by coincidenceor by accident.
  So pet parents have aparticular pet in their life at
  a particular time in their life,with a particular challenge or
  
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  personality or whatever.
  There's a significance there.
  There's a significance there,and if we can slow down long
  enough to ask the question, howinteresting, why would I create
  that, and what is the blessingbehind this experience?
  If we're open to getting theanswers, they will normally come
  
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  , and so I think that theseanimals present with their
  challenges and it can be areflection of something that the
  pet parent needs to experienceand deal with.
  Sort of like you know, when youopen your computer and you have
  all these files in there, and asyou bring up the file, you
  
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  can't just yell at your computerand say, delete right, all the
  files are just all in there.
  You can't just yell at yourcomputer and say, delete right,
  all the files are just all inthere.
  If you pull up a file and youread that file and you go okay,
  I don't need that file anymore,so I'm going to hit the delete
  button.
  And what does the computerautomatically say when you hit
  that delete button?
  Are you sure?
  And then you have to hit it asecond time to confirm that
  
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  you're going to delete that file, because you can't ever recover
  it again, right?
  
  Dr Edward (43:48):
  That's right, you're gone.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (43:49):
  Yeah, yeah.
  So our subconscious mind is abig computer and when we come
  across a program, especiallysomething that we're hardwired
  to, we keep repeating it, sortof like when the GPS you're
  driving to a destination and youmiss the turn and it keeps
  saying make a U-turn, make aU-turn.
  But you don't make a U-turn,you just keep going because
  
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  you're ignoring the signal.
  When we have very strongemotions in our lives, it's an
  indication that that experiencehas happened for you multiple
  times.
  So many times you're hardwiredto it, whether you believe in
  past lives or parallel universes.
  This is absolutely not our onlypony show here.
  
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  So we've done it before.
  There's programs in oursubconscious mind, and the ones
  that we need to deal with arethe ones that are going to come
  to the surface first.
  So when we can look at our life, our experiences, our emotions
  and realize that that can be ourguidance system, it takes on an
  entirely new dimension.
  
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  So what I mean by the guidancesystem is when we are on path
  like you're on a well-traveledroad, everything is smooth,
  you're not getting off the side,you're not bumpy.
  But when you start to get offyour trajectory, things start to
  become more challenging.
  You get more doors closed inyour face, you have poor
  
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  opportunities, it just seemslike nothing's going right, and
  so, frustrated, you know, youget the longest teller line,
  your car's flat, you can't findyour keys in the morning.
  These are all indications thatthere's some resistance going on
  in your life that you need toslow down and deal with.
  But then it's.
  The question is, well, what isthat resistance?
  
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  And the easiest way to figureit out is to identify the
  emotion that you're having atthis time.
  Is it frustration, is it anger,is it guilt, is it shame, is it
  whatever?
  It doesn't matter.
  What is the emotion of thatparticular incident?
  And then you ask yourself haveI ever experienced that emotion
  in the past, and when was that?
  And then, what was thecircumstances?
  
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  And you'll find that it's thesame experience, a different
  person, different place,different time, but it's the
  same emotion.
  Why?
  Because we haven't deleted it.
  You haven't transmuted it fromthe low vibration frequency into
  the high vibration frequency.
  How cool is that?
  So I'm going to take a sip.
  
  Dr Edward (46:21):
  That's all right.
  I mean, we all get a littlefrog in our throat now and then.
  And yeah, you know this wholething you're talking about,
  about energy and consciousnessand karmic patterns.
  So often, so often I seeanimals that have a similar
  problem to at least one personin the household again and again
  and again, and often I havepeople who have a string of
  
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  animals that have had similarkinds of issues, and I think
  that's kind of what you'retalking about.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (46:47):
  Yeah, A hundred percent and it's showing
  up because that's ouropportunity to do something
  about it.
  But if you're not conscious, ifyou're not using critical
  thinking skills, if you're notplaying the game, then you're
  just going down the loosewithout a steering wheel.
  So you're kind of bouncing hereand bouncing there and you're a
  
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  victim.
  You're a victim, you're avictim and you're never really
  in control.
  And that's not the game we'resupposed to be playing.
  We're supposed to be able totake those low vibrating
  emotions the anger, the shame,the guilt, the blame, the hatred
  .
  You're supposed to take thoselow vibrations and move them to
  the high side, the opposite andpositive emotion.
  
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  I think that's what the game is.
  And so the lowest vibrationbefore death is shame.
  And I remember when my kids werelittle we used to go to a theme
  park and they would be in thelittle bouncy you know all the
  where the kids are all runningaround and playing, and I would
  sit there and nonstop hearparents shaming and blaming
  
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  their little two andthree-year-olds.
  And I don't think they did iton purpose.
  It was a language, that's allthey knew, that's what they grew
  up with and that's how theywere treating their children.
  They didn't think twice aboutit.
  I taught redirecting children'sbehavior, so for me it was ouch
  , ouch, ouch.
  You shouldn't be doing that toyour poor kid.
  And so if you realize that youhave the opportunity to identify
  
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  the emotion, and then what isthe opposite?
  High vibration of that emotion.
  So even when I say the wordlike hatred and bitterness and
  anger, they have a heavinessabout them.
  
  Dr Edward (48:27):
  And if you live in those feelings, your life is not
  happy.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (48:31):
  Exactly.
  But now if I talk about graceand gratitude and compassion and
  joy and love, like I think wejust got lighter and you can
  feel that energetic difference.
  So I think that is one of thethings our pets come into our
  lives to help us with.
  All of nature can do it.
  I mean, like in the entire areais a hologram but if you're
  
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  into animals and they are yoursoul babies, then you're going
  to pay more attention to themand you're going to do things
  for them that you wouldn't dofor yourself.
  
  Dr Edward (49:03):
  Yes.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (49:04):
  Interesting Right?
  So a lot of times that is thesegue that that animal, from a
  spiritual perspective, isdragging their pet parent and
  saying here, I want you to getthis.
  So I'm a canary in your car.
  Come on, look at me.
  
  Dr Edward (49:19):
  Look at me.
  Yeah, yeah, and you know we'reall going coal mine.
  Look at me, look at me.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (49:23):
  Yeah, yeah, and you know we're all going to
  leave the planet, Dr Ed, Likewe're not, no one's escaping
  this hologram.
  
  Dr Edward (49:32):
  So it's not that no one gets out of here alive.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (49:36):
  Exactly so.
  It's not that we're not tryingto have an exit strategy, but
  what are we doing while we arehere?
  Are we being the bestrepresentation of ourselves?
  I mean, just think about thefact that everybody that's born
  has likes and dislikes, and someof it is going to be innate and
  
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  some of it's going to belearned behavior.
  But you know somebody?
  We see kids that are two andfive years old that are master
  musicians or artists orathletics.
  You know they came into thisplanet with those skills and
  then had a family that couldfoster them and help them to
  expand on that.
  
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  I don't have those skills.
  I can't even sing a note off onpurpose, so music wasn't my
  thing.
  But yet I was born knowing Iwanted to be a vet.
  Like literally came out of thewomb and wouldn't play with
  stuffed dolls.
  I played with stuffed animals.
  So thank God, I got to be ableto do my profession and I'm 40
  years, like we said, and I'mmore excited and more passionate
  
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  and more energized aboutpracticing now than I was my
  first five years out, which wereso hard.
  You're trying to put everythingthat you learn together and not
  make mistakes.
  And you know it's all brand new.
  It was so challenging, but now,to me it's the most rewarding
  profession.
  But not all of our colleaguesfeel the same way.
  There's a lot of burnout, ourhours are ridiculously long, we
  
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  don't get paid.
  What other fields can get paidfor the amount of work and
  goodness that we do?
  And we have the highest suiciderate of any industry, at least
  here in the US.
  I don't know about worldwide.
  
  Dr Edward (51:13):
  Exactly the same worldwide.
  It's no different anywhere else.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (51:16):
  Yeah.
  So we look at all those factorsand we go why is that?
  And we certainly know that asveterinarians and I've never met
  a veterinarian who didn't meetthis we want to do the right
  thing.
  We want to help our patients,we want to be the hero in the
  story.
  You know, you want to do good,and it is heartbreaking when you
  
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  don't have enough tools.
  That's why I love what I do nowis because I never run out of
  an opportunity to try something.
  May not always work, but at theend of that experience that pet
  parent knows they've triedeverything.
  
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  One of the biggest emotionalproblems that most pet parents
  that I deal with face is guiltand shame Like they didn't try,
  they did something wrong.
  Shame Like they didn't try,they did something wrong.
  And so with this methodology,they have an opportunity to do
  as much as they can within theirown means, and then they don't.
  We all still hurt when we loseour loved ones.
  That that's part of the life.
  But they don't have the sameguilt and shame because they
  
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  know that they've learnedsomething from the experience
  they're doing the best that theycan with the tools that they
  have and they're going to dobetter the next go around.
  
  Dr Edward (52:29):
  Awesome.
  So where are you and how canpeople find you, and do you have
  any kind of resources andthings that people can connect
  with and invest in that youoffer?
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (52:41):
  Oh, tons of stuff.
  Okay, so let's start with.
  I'm in Florida, so I do do somelevel of telemedicine.
  It's not I can't diagnose bigmedical problems, but I have an
  empowered pet parent I meanlegally we can.
  So we have a program that Icreated called the Empowered Pet
  Parent Program, and thatprogram teaches pet owners about
  
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  diet, digestion, detoxification, the proper testing, about
  emotions, about mitochondrialhealth.
  So it is a very, very deep dive, but in layman's terms, so that
  they can see what does thatlifestyle look like?
  This is not a pill for the illand a diet for the disease.
  Guys, you have to change whatyou're doing.
  
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  Einstein said you can't solveproblems with the same mindset
  that created them.
  We have to think differently,we have to behave differently
  and it has to become who you areif it's going to be sustainable
  , which is not hard.
  It is actually so much happierand healthier and more rewarding
  .
  So don't let that be dauntingto you.
  
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  And no analysis, paralysis,guys, we're not going to let you
  go.
  Oh my God, there's so manythings I have to change, I can't
  do anything.
  I have my pet parents take apiece of paper and fold it in
  half, and on the left they docolumn A on the right is column
  B, and I don't care if you mixthem up, but column A are all
  the things that you're learningabout that you should be doing,
  but you're not doing them yet.
  And you just list it.
  It's nonjudgmental.
  These are my goals.
  
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  And then, on the other side,are all the things you
  absolutely should not be doing,and you still are, and I just
  have you pick one thing fromcolumn A to start, one thing
  from column B to stop.
  
  Dr Edward (54:20):
  I'm going to steal that.
  That's kind of cool.
  I like it it's so easy.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (54:23):
  And then, after that becomes comfortable,
  then you pick something elsefrom column a and something else
  from column b and you just keepgoing and really in a very
  short period of time you'veaccomplished a lot.
  And if I have a husband, wifeor partners, I'll have one pick
  their own set to stop and startand the other something
  different, and now we're liketwice faster than we were before
  
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  .
  So it's really really easy.
  It's just making consciousdecisions.
  The real benefit of all of thatis when we make better choices
  with our dollars by readinglabels and avoiding the toxins.
  Then we're going to havehealthier pets, healthier us,
  healthier environment and motherearth is going to be healthier
  
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  because we're not putting somany toxins in her.
  Like we don't use yeah, we don'tuse plastics.
  I don't use any commercialcleaners.
  We make all of our own DIY.
  I've got recipes.
  If anybody wants, happy toshare or we'll send you product.
  So all of that is reallyimportant.
  So my courses I highlyencourage my pet parents to take
  
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  because it just gives you suchfoundation.
  It's not expensive.
  And you go to dr and then mynamecom, so drmarlenesegalcom
  and I have a free e-book thatgoes through the six steps that
  we covered in the beginning.
  We have the courses which theycan take, and I have courses for
  veterinarians as well.
  There's a course for petparents teaching them how to do
  
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  fascia decompression on theirpets at home, with no equipment.
  Unbelievable, it's lifetransforming.
  
  Dr Edward (56:03):
  I've taught thousands of people how to do that, and
  it is one of the most beautifulthings any human can learn to do
  for their pets is fascia bodywork.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (56:11):
  Absolutely so .
  We've got that.
  And then I've got blogs.
  I have an inside community thatwe just launched.
  So there's not a lot of peoplein there yet.
  It's only a few days old, butby the time this launches maybe
  we'll have a whole lot morepeople in there and we're
  forming a supportive community.
  We want to be shoulder toshoulder with people who want to
  
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  be more conscientious, moreawakened, more positive world,
  you know, to have more control,because I for me, it's kind of
  like Dorothy in the wizard of Oz.
  Right, she had the power allalong, she just didn't know she
  had the power.
  
  Dr Edward (56:46):
  And that is like us.
  So go to wwwdramalesiel to getconnected with Dr Marlene and
  I've just got a couple ofclosing questions because we've
  only got a few minutes.
  I think you've got to go offand have some beautiful body
  work, which I totally encourage.
  
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  So what do you think ishumanity's biggest blind spot
  when it comes to our sharedjourney of evolution and healing
  at this time?
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (57:18):
  Not becoming awakened, because when you're
  not awakened, awakened, you'renot taking responsibility.
  And it's only when we takeresponsibility for our outcomes
  whether it's your health outcome, your financial outcome,
  whatever it is it's not takingresponsibility because we're not
  being conscious of the factthat we really do have our own
  
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  control I would wholeheartedlyagree with that.
  
  Dr Edward (57:45):
  And what is the change that you want to be?
  And inspire others to be in ourshared world.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (57:51):
  Well, my training program is called
  Transforming Vet Medicine, so Iwant to see every pet parent and
  every person and mother earthreturn to some level of
  connectivity, of restoration, ofhealing, of truly getting back
  
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  to who we are as holographicbeings in earth school so I want
  to be part of that awakeningprocess yeah awesome.
  
  Dr Edward (58:25):
  Well, it's been um really beautiful hanging out
  with you today.
  It's been a lively andfar-reaching conversation.
  We've covered a lot of topics,but I think in essence, you know
  you want to be sustainable.
  You've got to wake up to thefact that everything is alive
  
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  and that we've got to care foreverything geology, geography,
  living beings, plants.
  You know each other and you'vegot to get aware of what things
  to avoid and what things to stopdoing and what things to do
  more of.
  And, personally, it's not theeasiest journey to do that, but
  
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  it is incredibly worthwhile andthanks so much for sharing your
  wisdom today.
  Dr Marlene, it's been reallybeautiful having you on the show
  .
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (59:18):
  Sorry, I just wrote you.
  
  Dr Edward (59:20):
  There goes the camera .
  The camera's falling down.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (59:24):
  I'm going to find you again.
  That was not a good ending.
  
  Dr Edward (59:31):
  Oh well, you know, Because I had it on a box.
  It made it so smile.
  
  Dr Marlene Siegel (59:36):
  That's what I meant to do so ungracefully,
  but yeah, that was an ending tobe remembered, wasn't it?
  
  Dr Edward (59:42):
  Awesome.
  Thanks everybody.
  I hope you keep coming back andlistening to the podcast.
  If you enjoyed it, please tellyour friends, share with your
  friends and if you've got anysuggestions of other beautiful
  people who might be able tobring beautiful insights into
  how to heal humanity and petsand the earth and make
  everyone's lives better, reachout and let me know, because I'm
  
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  always happy to havesuggestions.
  So goodbye for now and we'llsee you in the next.