What if the key to your pet's optimal health lies beyond conventional veterinary medicine? Join us for an insightful conversation as we welcome Dr. Jeff Feinman, a trailblazing holistic veterinarian whose journey was transformed by personal health challenges and an unconventional approach to treatment. Learn how Jeff Feinman's experiences with fish oils, homeopathy, and the profound relationship with his dog, Archie, reshaped his understanding of pet wellness. Discover how veterinary spirituality and compassionate communication can foster deeper connections between humans and their animal companions, enhancing the well-being of both.
Dive into the mysterious realm of energy healing and consciousness, where the invisible bonds between you and your pet can manifest as tangible symptoms. Dr. Jeff Feinman guides us through the concept of energetic entanglements and the BEAM scale, shedding light on how homeopathy and spiritual medicine can balance an animal's behavior, energy, appetite, and mood. Uncover the power of belief, joy, and happiness in healing as we explore scientific challenges and personal stories of radical remission and energy work. This episode promises to enrich your understanding of holistic approaches to wellness, offering practical insights that blend emotional, physical, and energetic health for humans and pets alike.
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Dr Edward (00:01):
Hello and welcome to the Whole Energy Body Balance
podcast.
Today we'll be exploring a pathto pet wellness with Jeff
Feynman, who's a veryexperienced holistic
veterinarian from the USA.
We explore all kinds ofpossibilities in practice that
bring greater healing in thispodcast, in our conversations
connection harmony to pets,people and to horses, and what
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we really aim to do is toinspire connection, harmony to
pets, people and to horses.
And what we really aim to do isto inspire you, to challenge
you beautifully, and if you wantto grow and create positive
change and healing in your lifeand the lives of the beings you
care for, you are in the rightplace.
Thank you very much for beinghere and for listening.
I'm your host, dr Edward theHealing Vet, and I help deeply
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caring people, pets and horsesunfold profound healing and
healthy relationships throughsomatic awareness, loving,
therapeutic touch, intuitiveperception, kind training and
energy healing.
I also practice as an intuitive, integrative veterinarian and
healer, helping people, pets andhorses in person and worldwide
on Zoom and right now.
I would really like to welcomedr jeff feinman, who is our
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guest on this episode.
I really love havingconversations with jeff.
They're always very interesting.
Jeff is a veterinarian,molecular biologist since 1995
and he's the founder ofholisticistic Actions, which is
an online platform dedicated toempowering pet parents.
So welcome, jeff.
How lovely to see you again.
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Hello, edward, and thanks somuch for what you do for your
podcast and for inviting me soand thank you all for attending
so we're going to start off witha question just to kind of get
us moving in a conversation.
So who are you, why do you dowhat you do and how did you
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arrive at this point in yourlife?
It's a big question.
It's probably a big question.
It's a big question.
Jeff Feinman (02:01):
All right, who am I?
I am a scientist, but I'm ascientific skeptic and a seeker.
I've been experiencing mysterysymptoms myself since 1975.
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Since 1975.
I ended up going to Universityof Pennsylvania, graduated with
molecular biology and veterinarydegrees, studying how the body
works, studying how cells work,understanding how everything is
connected, and my path at thattime was conventional veterinary
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medicine.
I was studying endocrinologyand aging and genetics.
I realized after about a decadeof practice that the tools that
I was taught in vet school werenot enough to heal a lot of my
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patients.
Many of them would get better,then come right back, get better
then come right back.
And then in the late 80s I wasdoing a house call and Martha
remarked that her rheumatoidarthritis that really was
causing a lot of pain was curedby her rheumatologist with some
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new thing that I never heardabout in vet school called fish
oils and we started her dog witharthritis on fish oils and I
never looked back after that.
It's basically a matter ofinvestigating all these things
that we never learned about invet school.
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And then in the mid-90s I wasreading a holistic textbook by
our friend Alan Schoen and SusanWynn and there was this little
chapter on homeopathy and energymedicine and you know, the
chapter was again from the pointof view of a scientific skeptic
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.
Then I read the references inthe back, as I was taught to do
as a scientist.
I went back to the originalsources and found that
homeopathy was curing peoplewith fatal diseases back in the
1800s.
So we had all these stats fromthe hospitals and from from the
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hospitals and from otherinstitutions that people with
color plague, scarlet fever,lots of things, were dying and
patients that receivedhomeopathy weren't.
So I realized that somethingmust be going on.
So I started to experiment onmyself.
Dr Edward (05:01):
I'm not sure how far you want to go with this, but
Well, really, just the point ofit is that we have a
conversation, that we talk toeach other and we, you know, dig
into what's interesting.
And it sounds to me like youstarted out as a pretty regular
kind of conservative, scientific, western, scientific paradigm
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veterinarian and you had toexplore things for your own
health because Western medicinecouldn't necessarily help you
with it.
Jeff Feinman (05:32):
yeah, that is true .
Actually, it would do harm morethan good most of the time.
In vet school.
Dr Edward (05:42):
I had a scholarship actually to go to vet school.
Jeff Feinman (05:44):
I had a scholarship actually to go to
vet school and at the same timemy own symptoms were worsening.
So I went to a neurologist whoprescribed the drug, gave me a
really bad brain fag on top ofnot really helping my symptoms,
and at that point I actuallycould not keep my grades up and
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lost the scholarship.
So yes, I've seen both sides ofthe medical world being on the
medical merry-go-round myselffor actually over 30 years
before I received my owndiagnosis.
So for many decades they saidto me, so all in my head, until
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they finally, in 2010, made adiagnosis of a rare genetic
disease.
Dr Edward (06:31):
Uh-huh, and you also say that you teach the actions
of a conscious, compassionatecommunication and veterinary
spirituality.
Can you tell me a little bitabout veterinary spirituality,
because this is not two wordsthat very often you see in the
same sentence, let alone thesame room.
Jeff Feinman (06:56):
And those words, actually those exact words, came
out of one of our HolisticActions members' mouth recently.
It said veterinary spiritualitydon't really go together.
And I apologize to Amy Amy ismy wife and she's not going to
like this, but I'm going toreach over here and get the
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reason behind it and that is mybeloved baby boy, archie.
And that is my beloved baby boyArchie.
Archie is the reason that westarted really focusing on a
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positive and practicalveterinary spirituality.
I've been on the path myselfsince the 80s.
I'm the kind of guy that whenan evangelistic person would
knock on the door, I'd invitethem in and we'd have a
conversation about what thereality of life is like and
consciousness and how it relatesto religion and all that.
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And what Archie taught me overthe years is that there is more
than the physical realm.
I began to receive messagesfrom Archie and began to follow
a path of happiness andpositivity instead of focusing
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on symptoms, as I was taught invet school, and really the
bottom line was spirituality.
And a quick answer to yourquestion is you know,
spirituality was the essence ofan energetic life and the
connection between energy,spirit and the way our animal
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bodies work, and it's all aboutenergy, actually back in 2010,.
I did a lecture for a vet schoolentitled it's All About Energy,
and that's because energy, asyou know, is not really
something that we're taughtabout in vet school, uh-huh, no,
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no, in fact we're kind oftaught to ridicule it in a way
at vet school.
Dr Edward (09:18):
And, um, I have quite a similar kind of journey to
you, in that I started out aregular conservative western
medical prescription medicationwas the only thing in surgery is
all I knew how to use, and thenI got chronic fatigue syndrome
and what I didn't know was Lyme,and one of the few things I
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found that gave me any kind ofsymptomatic relief was energy
healing, and that's whattriggered me into this journey
of developing intuitivesensitivity and awareness and
and using energy, um, throughthings like flower essences and
homeopathy and direct energyhealing, using our consciousness
to direct and shift energy andfrequencies in the animal.
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So I I think it's kind ofinteresting that we have a
shared path and I see this kindof path to more holistic
wellness in humans and in themworking with their animals and
vets.
A lot of holistic vets I foundhave a similar kind of thing
where they've gone well andWestern medicine said, well, we
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can't help you where they'vegone.
Jeff Feinman (10:28):
Well, and Western medicine said well, we can't
help you.
Yeah, and I arrived, throughArchie, at the realization that
the most powerful healing energyis the unconditional love that
we share with others.
Yes, that.
That love, which is the basisof the compassionate and
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conscious communication method,is one of the foundation, or one
of the pillars of the path topet wellness is the conscious
and compassionate communicationmethod.
Dr Edward (11:06):
So then, the path to pet wellness.
I know that we could probablytalk for about three days about
this, but what's the essence ofit?
Jeff Feinman (11:19):
Well, we talked about one, and that is that
unconditional love is a powerfulhealing energy.
Two would be that you, the petparent, has more information,
more knowledge about healingyour pet than any professional
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or anyone else in the world can,and that you can become
empowered.
And we actually have threepillars of the path to pet
wellness, and the compassionatecommunication method is one of
them.
One of them is called the beamblueprint, one of them is called
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the Beam Blueprint, one of themis called the Vitality and
Balance System, and we cancertainly go into any of them
that you would like.
But, in short, the Vitality andBalance System is the science
part of the framework.
It's the mitochondrial energy,it's the vitality portion of the
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path.
The beam blueprint is thequality of life path that allows
us to walk that path of aconscious and compassionate
communication which connects itall.
Dr Edward (12:44):
Mm-hmm.
So if you have someone comealong into your community and
they've got well, it could be asick animal, or it could be an
animal that they just a newanimal that they want to keep
vital and healthy and well andhave a long life.
What's the first thing that youwould want to do with them?
Jeff Feinman (13:03):
No I don't laugh want to do with them.
No, I don't laugh.
Dr Edward (13:09):
The first thing I wouldn't want them to do is
laugh and have fun and play withtheir animals.
Jeff Feinman (13:12):
Aha, because that is the sweet spot of most
animals is they live to have fun, joy, love, food, sleep, I mean
all the basic necessities.
But yeah, that fun factor isoften overlooked and that may
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very well be one of the firstthings that I would say.
But of course, practically thefirst thing I'll say is does
your pet love his diet and is heeating a vital and a?
Live, diet.
Yep and we'll often start therebecause you know as you know,
the majority of animals eat anultra-processed, dry or wet food
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diet.
Dr Edward (13:59):
They do, which I say is a slow poison and should not
be anywhere near any animals.
So just to step back, you know,it's kind of easy to forget to
smile and to laugh and to havefun in today's world, isn't it?
Jeff Feinman (14:17):
It sure is.
And we, the people, do that byfocusing on what's going on
around us, by focusing on thefuture, by worrying about the
past, by worrying about what weshould do, by worrying about the
diagnosis.
The beauty of my job is mypatients don't do that.
I know animals do not do that.
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They live in the moment, theyare in the now, which is why
happiness and play and fun andjoy and love is so healing for
animals.
Dr Edward (14:51):
You know if we can get out of the way, Do you have
any particular tips you give topeople to help them get into
that state with their animals ifthey're a bit stuck in misery
or fear or anxiety or anythinglike that?
Jeff Feinman (15:11):
Many, many, many.
And that was the foundation ofHolistic Actions, where we teach
.
You know, this can be as simpleas it's all about energy, and
that's enough for some people.
Their energy heals alreadythemselves.
When they hear that from a vet,they realize they can use, you
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know, energetic medicine to healtheir pet.
The issue is that our fear, ourworry often stands in the way
of trust.
Trust in the universal andnatural laws all around us,
trust in the fact that we're allswimming in a pool of energy.
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You wake up in the morning, youput your feet on the ground.
Are you worried that you'regoing to go flying around the
room?
No, because you trust the lawof gravity, the law of
conservation of energy, and thatenergy is never created or
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destroyed.
It's also a natural law inphysics and if you want to see
the math physics of what we'retalking about, look at the Deb
theory and you might enjoy this.
Deb is dynamic energy, budgetand balance.
It's actually the mathematicaland physical.
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I mean, I don't understand themath, but Dr Kujiman, over in
Sweden, norway, somewhere in notin the US has developed a whole
world around this dynamicenergy balance, which is a real
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thing, or dynamic energy budget,as he calls it.
Dr Edward (17:04):
And how would you put that into practice with your
animals?
Jeff Feinman (17:09):
Oh, just by accepting and trusting that
natural law, that energy isfundamental.
There's no reason to knowanything about Deb, as long as
you trust that your animals areable to heal, that nature is
designed to rebalance, thatanimals are a part of nature and
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that, if we trust, in thenatural laws that govern the
world.
They are going to rebalance.
Dr Edward (17:45):
Okay, so what happens then when they don't?
I kind of believe that there isa divine timing in life when
we're born and when wetransition, and do you think
that sometimes the animals havean illness?
That's part of the sharedjourney of the human and the
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animal, and how do you deal withthat when you've got a terminal
kind of diagnosis?
Jeff Feinman (18:11):
I know for a fact that you are correct, and I know
that because, well, I won'teven tell the story.
But yeah, how do you deal withit?
Recognize it, accept it andtrust it, because you're so, so
right.
We're all, and all our animalsare going to die.
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We all have a soul contract.
We all are here for a reasonand for a set amount of time.
Fighting against that is thesource of a lot of our anxiety,
a lot of our fear, a lot of oursuffering in this world.
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So our animals may betransitioning, but that can also
be a joyous time in their life.
And I guess I'll finish theArchie story because Archie
developed Lyme kidney failure in2020.
And, as you know, that's avirulent and often fatal disease
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.
Within a couple of months, andin fact, his housemate, another
rescue dog, did die from Lymekidney disease in 2020.
And that's how I diagnosedArchie with it, because Vanya
had died just recently, passedaway, and I wanted to make sure
Archie was fine, because hissymptoms were.
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There were no symptoms, but theblood works showed that his
numbers were.
There were no symptoms.
Dr Edward (19:46):
Yeah.
Jeff Feinman (19:46):
But the blood work showed that his numbers were
actually worse than Vanya's andit was basically his journey to
2023, when he began to showsigns of kidney failure, that I
retested him and found that hewas on his left leg, that he was
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in severe end-stage kidneyfailure.
And we spent the two of themost glorious months together,
loving each other, being witheach other, until he went off
her pee one day and just died inmy arms at the age of seven,
young age of seven.
Dr Edward (20:29):
So and.
Jeff Feinman (20:30):
I, accepting that and knowing that his energy was
still with me but his physicalbody was gone, and accepting
what you just said, that it wasjust his time to transition,
that it was just his time totransition, I was able to move
on and have him here on my deskand I said earlier that Amy is
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not going to want to hear any ofthis and that is because she
still has no time to let's peace.
And I believe that the more wefight against reality, the more
we fight against natural laws.
The more we work againstnatural laws, the more we work
against the body with antith,the harder it's going to get and
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that disease is created by thatfactor.
That could be emotional, thatcould be lifestyle, that could
be physical.
Dr Edward (21:22):
So I suppose another way to think of the path to
wellness is that that includeslife and death right.
Jeff Feinman (21:35):
I would agree with that statement, but I don't
think the vast majority of petparents would I mean how could
my pet be?
Dr Edward (21:44):
well if he's dead would I mean, how could my pet
be well if he's dead?
Yeah, I, I, I hear you and, uh,I do quite a bit of end of life
work with animals and I oftenhave to counsel the humans to be
willing to set them free.
And I have to, honest, honestly, often energetically untangle
the animals from the humans,even when I'm doing euthanasia
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sometimes, so that the, theenergy or the soul of the animal
can actually let go fully.
I have to, I have to separatethem, separate them from the
human, because the humans arekind of I can't let them go.
I love them too much.
So that's an interesting thing,isn't it?
Jeff Feinman (22:23):
it's fascinating and two points.
One, you use the word that I'venever actually heard any other
than myself use, and that isenergetic entanglements, because
it's my understanding and mybelief that energetic
entanglements are the root, areat the root of all symptoms and
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diseases and eventually, deathand dying.
And the other is that Iexperienced what you just
described myself with Archiehere.
he was three years, actuallymore than three years after his
diagnosis had, where he ended uppassing away, plus after I had
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an energy session with somebodywho untangled those energetic
entanglements and an hour laterArchie said okay, okay, I'm done
, bye-bye.
Dr Edward (23:31):
Yeah, that's fascinating, isn't it?
And I know that I read a bookby an animal communicator,
intuitive, quite a number ofyears ago and she had a story of
three different animals thatshe was holding in her arm and
counseling the humans to let goand energetically supporting
that and had three differentanimals pass away peacefully in
her arms when that process ofuntangling happened.
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And certainly I find that quitea lot of my work with living
animals that are not about todie is also that same thing of
how can we get energeticindividuation in a healthy way
with the animal and with thehuman, and often I see so many
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animals and humans that have theexact same kind of illness too.
Do you see that?
Jeff Feinman (24:23):
I see that a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, not only
with one animal and one human,but with a whole procession of
animals that have gotten thesame disease, which you know is
in the environment.
So, yeah, absolutely see ashared entanglement between the
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animals and humans, and part ofit may be that animals are super
sensitive to energy.
They take on our own energy andit manifests in the physical
body because the energymanifests via symptoms, the
energy imbalances manifest viasymptoms.
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When energy is flowing smoothly, then life is good.
Everything is there are noabnormal symptoms and we say
just go with the flow, Just gowith the flow of nature, Don't
obstruct that flow andeverything will be okay.
Dr Edward (25:29):
So symptoms?
Do you think that you can findproblems in the energy systems
before they become physical andthen kind of heal things before
they become what you know ourkind of physical reality sees as
a disease?
Jeff Feinman (25:50):
I'm so glad you asked because that opens the
door to the essential spiritualmedicine which is homeopathy.
Homeopathy is based on anatural law called
like-secure-likes, but itevolved from working with a
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physical substance all the wayto working with an energetic,
spiritual substance.
That's where a lot of thecontroversy comes in nowadays,
because people think homeopathyis all about using these
non-medicine medicines.
But by understanding the energy, by understanding homeopathy
and understanding how the energybalance is reflected in the
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individual.
Yes, we definitely can get atdisease at what is called the
functional level.
The functional level is whenyou know that your animal is
sick.
You go to the vet.
They run all the tests, they doan exam and they say your
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animal is fine, just go home andnot worry about it.
But you go home.
Dr Edward (27:05):
Oh yeah, you're just imagining it.
There's nothing right?
We can't find anything on ourtest, so your animal must be
okay exactly, exactly, but youknow that they're not well and
the way that you know they'renot well is by beam.
Beam as in beautiful sun, beamthat emanates from the sun, the
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source of consciousness, walking, the balance beam, or the
tractor beam for us Trekkies outthere that carry us along on
the path to pet wellness.
Jeff Feinman (27:40):
Beam is an acronym that reflects the inner balance
of the animal, the innerenergetic balance, and BEAM
stands for behavior, energy,appetite and mood, and if you
would like, I'd be happy tobreak them down.
But basically we give all theanimals a BEAM score where 10
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out of 10 is like living theirbest life.
We don't like it to go below an8 out of 10.
It fluctuates between 8, 9, and10 because of lifestyle and
other factors, but if it dropsprecipitously then you know
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something's wrong, even if yourvet doesn't.
Dr Edward (28:32):
I think too.
My experience is that sometimesit can be so subtle that you
might not even really have muchof a shift on the beam scale,
but people just have a somethingis not quite right here, kind
of knowing, feeling, feelingsensing with their animals.
That can be an indicator ofreally serious disease that
hasn't quite erupted intosymptoms yet.
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Yeah, absolutely.
Jeff Feinman (28:56):
And that's where the conscious and compassionate
communication method comes in,because it brings in intuition,
it brings in our, it brings inour gut feeling.
It brings in our feeling thatsomething is just up with our
animals and 99% of the time itdoes reflect in the being itself
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.
But it may just be a dog thatwants to be off by himself more
than usual, or that doesn't wantto go to bed like usual, or
that is a little bit slower tostart eating than usual.
I mean, Sue is a great exampleof a pet parent who's been
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following the beam since 2016,and a couple years afterwards.
In the beam since 2016 and acouple years afterwards, her pup
Rain stopped making the hurryup, what she called the hurry up
noises.
That was the only symptom waswhen Sue was getting dinner
ready.
Rain wasn't saying hurry up,hurry up, hurry up.
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Sue got some blood work doneand saw that there was indeed
some internal stuff going onthat we were able to to improve
homeopathically and your, yourdog archie too, had quite
advanced kidney failure andquite large numbers before you
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got symptoms right right.
Dr Edward (30:23):
So you can have subclinical disease.
That I certainly believe.
If we work at an energeticlevel we can either halt or
sometimes even reverse it.
Jeff Feinman (30:32):
That is a great point, because we often don't
realize that symptoms are bothexternal and internal.
Archie was manifesting plentyof symptoms, but they were all
internal.
So, yeah, he was a rare exampleof a dog whose beam wasn't a 10,
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but I had grown to accept hisbeam of eight, Not necessarily
always being with me, maybegoing under something instead of
being out wanting to be with me.
Plus, you have to look at thefull context of the animal.
Rj is a dog that, when werescued him, had been badly
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abused for his entire life lifeand his path with me went
through ear infections,allergies, chronic diarrheas,
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colitis, tumors.
I mean all these things wereresolved until his body said no,
I'm done.
And that goes back to what wetalked about at the beginning of
the conscious compassioncommunication method, that
sometimes we have a soulcontract.
They have a soul contract thatsays you're here for a reason.
Dr Edward (32:04):
You're going to teach your pet parent how to be a
conscious pet parent yeah, thenyou can move on I I strongly,
strongly believe that one of theprimary kind of soul level
purposes of our companionanimals and pets is to crack our
hearts open, and I believe thatthe most effective way they do
that is when they're gone andthe grieving process.
What do you think of that?
Jeff Feinman (32:29):
I, I could not agree more again, having
witnessed it myself betweenjanuary, when archie passed, and
now, and I am a differentperson than I was even a year
ago when I first attended theIIC conference at the University
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of Saskatchewan and.
I realized that all thiswoo-woo stuff that we're talking
about is actually science andbeing taught in the university
and backed up lots of research.
So yeah, I mean I realize thatas a scientist that intuitive
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interest, species communication,or what you call the analog
communication, is a real thing,and it's a real thing that dates
back thousands of years.
It's a real thing that datesback thousands of years Because,
as you know, all of theindigenous wisdom of the world
is based on that spirit, thatunseen energy that surrounds us
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and that is both life andafterlife.
Dr Edward (33:43):
I at the moment am doing an online program with a
woman called Elizabeth Jenkinswho spent 34 years with the Karo
elders, the Peruvian Indigenouspeople, and they talk about
everything being living energies.
They don't even have a wordlike the word it in their
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language.
There is nothing in theirlanguage that turns anything
into an object.
Everything is revered as beingalive and conscious, which I
think is a really beautiful wayto live life, and certainly it's
changed my life a lot, shiftingmy perspective to more and more
an animist type understandingof reality and my animals and my
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life.
Jeff Feinman (34:32):
Would you do me a favour and tell me your
definition of being an animist?
Dr Edward (34:38):
Oh, it's basically.
Everything is alive.
Everything is alive.
What about a rock?
The trees, the dirt, the rivers, the streams, the sky, the
animals, everything is alive.
The stars, the whole universeis filled with living energy and
intelligence.
Jeff Feinman (34:58):
Bravo.
I mean, there are so few of usthat are recognizing that at
this point and there are many-many human practitioners that
are recognizing that at thispoint, and there are many, many
human practitioners that are,and there's a movement called
Echo Fluency that teaches justwhat you're describing
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communication with the fourwinds, communication with the
sun, the other elementals and DrSaskia Fontes is also a hard
scientist who has arrived atthis place, which she now has
originated and is teaching echofluency and I do recommend
everyone take Dr Fontungi'sHecofluency course.
Dr Edward (35:47):
Oh, I'll have to think about that.
I suppose another thing thatthat makes me kind of think
about is the challenge ofscientific exploration of things
that involve subtle energy andconsciousness.
Now we know that theconsciousness of the
experimenter affects the outcome, and all our A-grade studies
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are designed to account for thefact that what the researcher
thinks will happen affects theoutcome.
And there is a growing body ofresearch that shows that energy
healing interventions candefinitely do something that is
greater than the placebo.
But when they go to replicateit, they tend to run into
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difficulties in replicating it,and I think what I think happens
is this is my little theoryanyway is that a lot of the
people who are replicating itdon't believe it's going to work
, and I think that there's astronger effect of consciousness
when you're in these subtlerealms than the more kind of
grosser things like testing adrug.
What's your thoughts on that?
Jeff Feinman (36:54):
Oh, I could not agree more.
However, there is the varioussubtle energy.
I mean I'll give you a quickstory.
The various subtle energy.
I mean I'll give you a quickstory In the 90s, when I was
first discovering energymedicine I had really painful
carpal tunnel and nothing was.
I mean the braces, medicationsand all the therapy nothing was
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helping.
I finally ended up at thiswoo-woo Reiki master's house in
Greenwich I had never heard ofReiki PS.
After three sessions I had nomore carpal tunnel.
I never have, ever since, soyeah that's a great example of
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more subtle energy, but it wasused by somebody who believes
strongly and somebody who wasopen-minded, willing to accept
whatever happened.
That is the case for a lot ofsubtle energetic healing,
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whether it's intention, whetherit's Reiki, whether it's the
flower essences, but there are afew things that physically move
energy in the body, likemassage and touch, acupressure,
acupuncture and homeopathy.
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Of all those, homeopathy is theonly one that I know that uses
symptoms as a guy, as a guy, sojust in other words, I can see a
red ear and trace it back toits energetic roots, um, you
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know, even after a course ofmassage or chiropractic or
acupuncture.
So yeah, going back to that dogthat you mentioned earlier that
was already doing everythingbut couldn't be helped.
I really really, reallystrongly feel that
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scientifically they can behelped with homeopathy.
Dr Edward (39:09):
Yep, Look, you know, miracles happen.
In Western medicine they callthem spontaneous remissions.
Jeff Feinman (39:19):
And I love, love, love Dr Turner's radical
remission movement, which isbased on the energy flow, it's
based on love, it's based onconnection, it's based on all of
the same things that make upthe path to pet wellness.
So radical remission, the bluezones where people live the
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longest in the world, they'reall flow research.
It's a deep neuroscience.
There's now a science calledpsychoneuroimmunology.
It connects neuro PNI PNI forshort, but oh darn, I cut the
book upstairs.
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But years ago there was a bookcalled and you may have heard of
this called Anatomy of anIllness by Norman Cousins, where
he was a skeptical butopen-minded journalist who had
developed a chronic painful,facilitating disease that he
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basically laughed away.
Laughter put him back in theflow, joy, happiness put him
back in the flow, so his bodywas able to self-heal.
Call that a spontaneousremission, call it what you want
.
Ucla thinks it's real andthat's why the?
Dr Edward (40:47):
psychoneuroimmunology center at ucla is called the
norman cousin center okay,because, yeah, the emotional
state of animals um has a hugeeffect on their well-being yeah,
absolutely yeah, maybe one ofthe most important, actually
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maybe the most important.
Jeff Feinman (41:10):
I mean, I'm aware of a rescue an unnamed rescue in
california that feeds a peoplelow quality diet, yet their dogs
are allowed to be happy andplay and energetically be
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animals, be dogs.
They even have a feedingstation where it's like they
just punch down prey, but it'sdry food.
Yes, there are giant dogs thatlive to the age when our giant
breed dogs used to live, whichwas 16, 17, 18.
It was pretty routine back inthe 40s and 50s for new fuchs,
(41:52):
new felons and great danes thatlived to 15, 16, 17 years of age
.
Dr Edward (41:57):
Wow, and that's probably because of the
emotional well-beingcounteracting everything else.
Jeff Feinman (42:04):
Yeah, Exactly exactly the conclusion that I
came to.
It didn't matter what else wasgoing on, if they were happy and
they were joyful and they wereemotionally healthy.
They were balancing out,because that is what the great
psychologist Aaron Beck calledbefore he died.
That's the sweet spot of ananimal.
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For all of us, our sweet spot'sfairy.
What do?
You love to do the most.
What gives you the greatest joy?
Is it service?
Is it this, is it that?
But for an animal, we canusually identify it very quickly
very quickly and you askedabout what one of the first
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things I do when I see a sickpet is.
After happiness factor, thenthe next question is identify
what your animal loves loves todo the most.
Some love their food Archie wasone who loved his food more than
anything else.
Some love their balls.
Some love to play.
Some love their balls, somelove to play.
Some love being petted, somejust love hanging out with you.
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And then step two of thehappiness protocol is just
double the amount of that thatyou're already doing, and then
use the beam blueprint tomonitor how you're doing.
Is it improving?
And if it's not improving, thenyou may need to add something
else yeah, and, of course,healthy, vital, fresh, whole
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foods diet.
Dr Edward (43:32):
So I think I think it's time to start wrapping up
our conversation.
It's been very interesting,fascinating um exploration today
.
I've been really enjoying it.
So I have a couple of questionsthat I'd like to explore at the
end of the podcast.
Um.
So if there was one wake-upcall, you know, what do you
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think is humanity's biggestblind spot when it comes to to
our shared journey of evolutionand healing and wellness?
Jeff Feinman (44:02):
oh my goodness, that's Another very small
question.
Dr Edward (44:06):
It is it's tiny, isn't it?
Jeff Feinman (44:07):
It is tiny yeah, in fact I'm not even going to
bother you, you can just go tothe thing.
No, wake up.
I think it's the number onething Be awake, be conscious, be
aware of everything around you.
Be aware of the soul energy.
Be aware of the soul energy, Beaware of the spirit that imbues
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that tree, that imbues thatlife force that may or may not
seem to be alive to you.
So yeah, awaken, I mean myself.
Every morning, when Itransition from sleep to awake,
I go, I am awakening yeah, um,I'm so on board with that.
Dr Edward (44:52):
Um, I think all of the ills that affect our earth
and then therefore affect ouranimals and therefore affect us,
really come back to this lossof human capacity to be in
connection with the fact thateverything is alive and needs to
be honored as as much as wehonor ourselves or our beloveds.
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You know, if, if everything, ifsuddenly everything was our
beloved, how different would theworld be if humanity managed to
make that leap of consciousness?
Jeff Feinman (45:28):
We'd all be in the flow.
We'd all be flowing, going withthe flow, and that's what the
great psychiatrist David Hawkinswould talk about the levels of
consciousness and that level oflove.
If enough of us get into thatstate, then the world will be
healed.
(45:49):
We'll all be healed asoptimally as possible, and it's
great that we're discussing thistoday being Indigenous wisdom,
indigenous Native Day here inthe US, because that is the
basis for all Native AmericanFirst Nations, and Indigenous
wisdom throughout the worldthroughout the ages.
Dr Edward (46:12):
Well, all Indigenous peoples had this life view, this
knowing this way of living andrelating with nature.
And you might notice that allthe hunter-gatherers and
Indigenous people did notdestroy the earth.
Jeff Feinman (46:29):
No, and they revered the animals and plants
that gave them nourishment, thatsustained them, that gave them
life.
I mean my study with the NativeAmerican elder.
We often talk about veganism,vegetarianism, and her eating of
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animals, and today was wearingleather or moccasins and that's
because they revere the animalswhen they're alive and when
they're dead and the animalsfreely give themselves to people
that revere them, and that'spart of why unentangling our
entanglement will allow them totransition more smoothly.
Dr Edward (47:16):
This is true.
And final thing, you know Ialways liked McGarney's thing
that you know be the change thatyou want to see in the world.
So what is the change that youwant to be that could then
perhaps inspire others in thisworld?
Jeff Feinman (47:38):
Well, the change that I'm trying to be is an
energetic being that'stransmitting to everyone around
me that there is another way oflooking at health and disease
and life.
That is the energetic andspiritual path, the path to
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wellness, and I'm removing thepet part because it's a path to
wellness.
And I'm removing the pet partbecause it's a path to wellness
for pets, people and the planet.
And that goes into our paradigmof ohm, which stands for one
health medicine yes and that'llthat'll be another, another
podcast perhaps?
Dr Edward (48:19):
yeah, I would love to really dig into that one health
concept.
Um, I went and spoke at aconference in Colorado last year
Was it this year?
It was this year, earlier thisyear and they were talking.
There was a lot of talk aboutthe One Health movement and
principles and philosophy.
I'd also just like to remindeveryone listening too, that the
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kind of spirituality that DrJeff is talking about is not
constrained by religion.
It transcends and can hold anyreligion within it.
This kind of worldview, in myopinion, yeah, I would agree, a
thousand percent.
Jeff Feinman (48:59):
And you don't even need to really be part of any
religion to be highly spiritual.
Dr Edward (49:07):
No, not at all.
I am definitely not part of areligion.
I am involved in a number ofdifferent kinds of spiritual
practice and paths, and I get alot of enrichment out of my life
from a whole range of differentthings, from a whole range of
different things.
Well, I think we may havesqueezed all the juice out of
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this conversation.
Thank you so much to everyonefor listening, and particularly
thank you, dr Jeff, for beingpart of this.
Jeff Feinman (49:41):
Where can people find you and how can you help
them?
Thank you for asking.
You can find me at.
Holisticactionscom is by farthe best place, and I'll give
you a link to our freeone-on-one course that starts to
teach them the paradigm thatwe're talking about I'll make
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sure that link is in the shownotes.
Dr Edward (50:06):
And you know, and now all of you listening, please
give all your pets a beautifulpat and have a lovely play with
them, for us and with us.
Thank you so much.
We will see you in the nextepisode.
Jeff Feinman (50:20):
Bye-bye and thank you all for listening.
Thank you, Ed, for inviting me.
You're welcome.
Hello and welcome to the Whole Energy Body Balance
podcast.
Today we'll be exploring a pathto pet wellness with Jeff
Feynman, who's a veryexperienced holistic
veterinarian from the USA.
We explore all kinds ofpossibilities in practice that
bring greater healing in thispodcast, in our conversations
connection harmony to pets,people and to horses, and what
(00:24):
we really aim to do is toinspire connection, harmony to
pets, people and to horses.
And what we really aim to do isto inspire you, to challenge
you beautifully, and if you wantto grow and create positive
change and healing in your lifeand the lives of the beings you
care for, you are in the rightplace.
Thank you very much for beinghere and for listening.
I'm your host, dr Edward theHealing Vet, and I help deeply
(00:44):
caring people, pets and horsesunfold profound healing and
healthy relationships throughsomatic awareness, loving,
therapeutic touch, intuitiveperception, kind training and
energy healing.
I also practice as an intuitive, integrative veterinarian and
healer, helping people, pets andhorses in person and worldwide
on Zoom and right now.
I would really like to welcomedr jeff feinman, who is our
(01:11):
guest on this episode.
I really love havingconversations with jeff.
They're always very interesting.
Jeff is a veterinarian,molecular biologist since 1995
and he's the founder ofholisticistic Actions, which is
an online platform dedicated toempowering pet parents.
So welcome, jeff.
How lovely to see you again.
(01:32):
Hello, edward, and thanks somuch for what you do for your
podcast and for inviting me soand thank you all for attending
so we're going to start off witha question just to kind of get
us moving in a conversation.
So who are you, why do you dowhat you do and how did you
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arrive at this point in yourlife?
It's a big question.
It's probably a big question.
It's a big question.
Jeff Feinman (02:01):
All right, who am I?
I am a scientist, but I'm ascientific skeptic and a seeker.
I've been experiencing mysterysymptoms myself since 1975.
(02:22):
Since 1975.
I ended up going to Universityof Pennsylvania, graduated with
molecular biology and veterinarydegrees, studying how the body
works, studying how cells work,understanding how everything is
connected, and my path at thattime was conventional veterinary
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medicine.
I was studying endocrinologyand aging and genetics.
I realized after about a decadeof practice that the tools that
I was taught in vet school werenot enough to heal a lot of my
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patients.
Many of them would get better,then come right back, get better
then come right back.
And then in the late 80s I wasdoing a house call and Martha
remarked that her rheumatoidarthritis that really was
causing a lot of pain was curedby her rheumatologist with some
(03:37):
new thing that I never heardabout in vet school called fish
oils and we started her dog witharthritis on fish oils and I
never looked back after that.
It's basically a matter ofinvestigating all these things
that we never learned about invet school.
(03:59):
And then in the mid-90s I wasreading a holistic textbook by
our friend Alan Schoen and SusanWynn and there was this little
chapter on homeopathy and energymedicine and you know, the
chapter was again from the pointof view of a scientific skeptic
(04:20):
.
Then I read the references inthe back, as I was taught to do
as a scientist.
I went back to the originalsources and found that
homeopathy was curing peoplewith fatal diseases back in the
1800s.
So we had all these stats fromthe hospitals and from from the
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hospitals and from otherinstitutions that people with
color plague, scarlet fever,lots of things, were dying and
patients that receivedhomeopathy weren't.
So I realized that somethingmust be going on.
So I started to experiment onmyself.
Dr Edward (05:01):
I'm not sure how far you want to go with this, but
Well, really, just the point ofit is that we have a
conversation, that we talk toeach other and we, you know, dig
into what's interesting.
And it sounds to me like youstarted out as a pretty regular
kind of conservative, scientific, western, scientific paradigm
(05:23):
veterinarian and you had toexplore things for your own
health because Western medicinecouldn't necessarily help you
with it.
Jeff Feinman (05:32):
yeah, that is true .
Actually, it would do harm morethan good most of the time.
In vet school.
Dr Edward (05:42):
I had a scholarship actually to go to vet school.
Jeff Feinman (05:44):
I had a scholarship actually to go to
vet school and at the same timemy own symptoms were worsening.
So I went to a neurologist whoprescribed the drug, gave me a
really bad brain fag on top ofnot really helping my symptoms,
and at that point I actuallycould not keep my grades up and
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lost the scholarship.
So yes, I've seen both sides ofthe medical world being on the
medical merry-go-round myselffor actually over 30 years
before I received my owndiagnosis.
So for many decades they saidto me, so all in my head, until
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they finally, in 2010, made adiagnosis of a rare genetic
disease.
Dr Edward (06:31):
Uh-huh, and you also say that you teach the actions
of a conscious, compassionatecommunication and veterinary
spirituality.
Can you tell me a little bitabout veterinary spirituality,
because this is not two wordsthat very often you see in the
same sentence, let alone thesame room.
Jeff Feinman (06:56):
And those words, actually those exact words, came
out of one of our HolisticActions members' mouth recently.
It said veterinary spiritualitydon't really go together.
And I apologize to Amy Amy ismy wife and she's not going to
like this, but I'm going toreach over here and get the
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reason behind it and that is mybeloved baby boy, archie.
And that is my beloved baby boyArchie.
Archie is the reason that westarted really focusing on a
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positive and practicalveterinary spirituality.
I've been on the path myselfsince the 80s.
I'm the kind of guy that whenan evangelistic person would
knock on the door, I'd invitethem in and we'd have a
conversation about what thereality of life is like and
consciousness and how it relatesto religion and all that.
(08:01):
And what Archie taught me overthe years is that there is more
than the physical realm.
I began to receive messagesfrom Archie and began to follow
a path of happiness andpositivity instead of focusing
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on symptoms, as I was taught invet school, and really the
bottom line was spirituality.
And a quick answer to yourquestion is you know,
spirituality was the essence ofan energetic life and the
connection between energy,spirit and the way our animal
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bodies work, and it's all aboutenergy, actually back in 2010,.
I did a lecture for a vet schoolentitled it's All About Energy,
and that's because energy, asyou know, is not really
something that we're taughtabout in vet school, uh-huh, no,
(09:13):
no, in fact we're kind oftaught to ridicule it in a way
at vet school.
Dr Edward (09:18):
And, um, I have quite a similar kind of journey to
you, in that I started out aregular conservative western
medical prescription medicationwas the only thing in surgery is
all I knew how to use, and thenI got chronic fatigue syndrome
and what I didn't know was Lyme,and one of the few things I
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found that gave me any kind ofsymptomatic relief was energy
healing, and that's whattriggered me into this journey
of developing intuitivesensitivity and awareness and
and using energy, um, throughthings like flower essences and
homeopathy and direct energyhealing, using our consciousness
to direct and shift energy andfrequencies in the animal.
(10:01):
So I I think it's kind ofinteresting that we have a
shared path and I see this kindof path to more holistic
wellness in humans and in themworking with their animals and
vets.
A lot of holistic vets I foundhave a similar kind of thing
where they've gone well andWestern medicine said, well, we
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can't help you where they'vegone.
Jeff Feinman (10:28):
Well, and Western medicine said well, we can't
help you.
Yeah, and I arrived, throughArchie, at the realization that
the most powerful healing energyis the unconditional love that
we share with others.
Yes, that.
That love, which is the basisof the compassionate and
(10:49):
conscious communication method,is one of the foundation, or one
of the pillars of the path topet wellness is the conscious
and compassionate communicationmethod.
Dr Edward (11:06):
So then, the path to pet wellness.
I know that we could probablytalk for about three days about
this, but what's the essence ofit?
Jeff Feinman (11:19):
Well, we talked about one, and that is that
unconditional love is a powerfulhealing energy.
Two would be that you, the petparent, has more information,
more knowledge about healingyour pet than any professional
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or anyone else in the world can,and that you can become
empowered.
And we actually have threepillars of the path to pet
wellness, and the compassionatecommunication method is one of
them.
One of them is called the beamblueprint, one of them is called
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the Beam Blueprint, one of themis called the Vitality and
Balance System, and we cancertainly go into any of them
that you would like.
But, in short, the Vitality andBalance System is the science
part of the framework.
It's the mitochondrial energy,it's the vitality portion of the
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path.
The beam blueprint is thequality of life path that allows
us to walk that path of aconscious and compassionate
communication which connects itall.
Dr Edward (12:44):
Mm-hmm.
So if you have someone comealong into your community and
they've got well, it could be asick animal, or it could be an
animal that they just a newanimal that they want to keep
vital and healthy and well andhave a long life.
What's the first thing that youwould want to do with them?
Jeff Feinman (13:03):
No I don't laugh want to do with them.
No, I don't laugh.
Dr Edward (13:09):
The first thing I wouldn't want them to do is
laugh and have fun and play withtheir animals.
Jeff Feinman (13:12):
Aha, because that is the sweet spot of most
animals is they live to have fun, joy, love, food, sleep, I mean
all the basic necessities.
But yeah, that fun factor isoften overlooked and that may
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very well be one of the firstthings that I would say.
But of course, practically thefirst thing I'll say is does
your pet love his diet and is heeating a vital and a?
Live, diet.
Yep and we'll often start therebecause you know as you know,
the majority of animals eat anultra-processed, dry or wet food
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diet.
Dr Edward (13:59):
They do, which I say is a slow poison and should not
be anywhere near any animals.
So just to step back, you know,it's kind of easy to forget to
smile and to laugh and to havefun in today's world, isn't it?
Jeff Feinman (14:17):
It sure is.
And we, the people, do that byfocusing on what's going on
around us, by focusing on thefuture, by worrying about the
past, by worrying about what weshould do, by worrying about the
diagnosis.
The beauty of my job is mypatients don't do that.
I know animals do not do that.
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They live in the moment, theyare in the now, which is why
happiness and play and fun andjoy and love is so healing for
animals.
Dr Edward (14:51):
You know if we can get out of the way, Do you have
any particular tips you give topeople to help them get into
that state with their animals ifthey're a bit stuck in misery
or fear or anxiety or anythinglike that?
Jeff Feinman (15:11):
Many, many, many.
And that was the foundation ofHolistic Actions, where we teach
.
You know, this can be as simpleas it's all about energy, and
that's enough for some people.
Their energy heals alreadythemselves.
When they hear that from a vet,they realize they can use, you
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know, energetic medicine to healtheir pet.
The issue is that our fear, ourworry often stands in the way
of trust.
Trust in the universal andnatural laws all around us,
trust in the fact that we're allswimming in a pool of energy.
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You wake up in the morning, youput your feet on the ground.
Are you worried that you'regoing to go flying around the
room?
No, because you trust the lawof gravity, the law of
conservation of energy, and thatenergy is never created or
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destroyed.
It's also a natural law inphysics and if you want to see
the math physics of what we'retalking about, look at the Deb
theory and you might enjoy this.
Deb is dynamic energy, budgetand balance.
It's actually the mathematicaland physical.
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I mean, I don't understand themath, but Dr Kujiman, over in
Sweden, norway, somewhere in notin the US has developed a whole
world around this dynamicenergy balance, which is a real
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thing, or dynamic energy budget,as he calls it.
Dr Edward (17:04):
And how would you put that into practice with your
animals?
Jeff Feinman (17:09):
Oh, just by accepting and trusting that
natural law, that energy isfundamental.
There's no reason to knowanything about Deb, as long as
you trust that your animals areable to heal, that nature is
designed to rebalance, thatanimals are a part of nature and
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that, if we trust, in thenatural laws that govern the
world.
They are going to rebalance.
Dr Edward (17:45):
Okay, so what happens then when they don't?
I kind of believe that there isa divine timing in life when
we're born and when wetransition, and do you think
that sometimes the animals havean illness?
That's part of the sharedjourney of the human and the
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animal, and how do you deal withthat when you've got a terminal
kind of diagnosis?
Jeff Feinman (18:11):
I know for a fact that you are correct, and I know
that because, well, I won'teven tell the story.
But yeah, how do you deal withit?
Recognize it, accept it andtrust it, because you're so, so
right.
We're all, and all our animalsare going to die.
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We all have a soul contract.
We all are here for a reasonand for a set amount of time.
Fighting against that is thesource of a lot of our anxiety,
a lot of our fear, a lot of oursuffering in this world.
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So our animals may betransitioning, but that can also
be a joyous time in their life.
And I guess I'll finish theArchie story because Archie
developed Lyme kidney failure in2020.
And, as you know, that's avirulent and often fatal disease
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.
Within a couple of months, andin fact, his housemate, another
rescue dog, did die from Lymekidney disease in 2020.
And that's how I diagnosedArchie with it, because Vanya
had died just recently, passedaway, and I wanted to make sure
Archie was fine, because hissymptoms were.
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There were no symptoms, but theblood works showed that his
numbers were.
There were no symptoms.
Dr Edward (19:46):
Yeah.
Jeff Feinman (19:46):
But the blood work showed that his numbers were
actually worse than Vanya's andit was basically his journey to
2023, when he began to showsigns of kidney failure, that I
retested him and found that hewas on his left leg, that he was
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in severe end-stage kidneyfailure.
And we spent the two of themost glorious months together,
loving each other, being witheach other, until he went off
her pee one day and just died inmy arms at the age of seven,
young age of seven.
Dr Edward (20:29):
So and.
Jeff Feinman (20:30):
I, accepting that and knowing that his energy was
still with me but his physicalbody was gone, and accepting
what you just said, that it wasjust his time to transition,
that it was just his time totransition, I was able to move
on and have him here on my deskand I said earlier that Amy is
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not going to want to hear any ofthis and that is because she
still has no time to let's peace.
And I believe that the more wefight against reality, the more
we fight against natural laws.
The more we work againstnatural laws, the more we work
against the body with antith,the harder it's going to get and
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that disease is created by thatfactor.
That could be emotional, thatcould be lifestyle, that could
be physical.
Dr Edward (21:22):
So I suppose another way to think of the path to
wellness is that that includeslife and death right.
Jeff Feinman (21:35):
I would agree with that statement, but I don't
think the vast majority of petparents would I mean how could
my pet be?
Dr Edward (21:44):
well if he's dead would I mean, how could my pet
be well if he's dead?
Yeah, I, I, I hear you and, uh,I do quite a bit of end of life
work with animals and I oftenhave to counsel the humans to be
willing to set them free.
And I have to, honest, honestly, often energetically untangle
the animals from the humans,even when I'm doing euthanasia
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sometimes, so that the, theenergy or the soul of the animal
can actually let go fully.
I have to, I have to separatethem, separate them from the
human, because the humans arekind of I can't let them go.
I love them too much.
So that's an interesting thing,isn't it?
Jeff Feinman (22:23):
it's fascinating and two points.
One, you use the word that I'venever actually heard any other
than myself use, and that isenergetic entanglements, because
it's my understanding and mybelief that energetic
entanglements are the root, areat the root of all symptoms and
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diseases and eventually, deathand dying.
And the other is that Iexperienced what you just
described myself with Archiehere.
he was three years, actuallymore than three years after his
diagnosis had, where he ended uppassing away, plus after I had
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an energy session with somebodywho untangled those energetic
entanglements and an hour laterArchie said okay, okay, I'm done
, bye-bye.
Dr Edward (23:31):
Yeah, that's fascinating, isn't it?
And I know that I read a bookby an animal communicator,
intuitive, quite a number ofyears ago and she had a story of
three different animals thatshe was holding in her arm and
counseling the humans to let goand energetically supporting
that and had three differentanimals pass away peacefully in
her arms when that process ofuntangling happened.
(23:58):
And certainly I find that quitea lot of my work with living
animals that are not about todie is also that same thing of
how can we get energeticindividuation in a healthy way
with the animal and with thehuman, and often I see so many
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animals and humans that have theexact same kind of illness too.
Do you see that?
Jeff Feinman (24:23):
I see that a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, not only
with one animal and one human,but with a whole procession of
animals that have gotten thesame disease, which you know is
in the environment.
So, yeah, absolutely see ashared entanglement between the
(24:47):
animals and humans, and part ofit may be that animals are super
sensitive to energy.
They take on our own energy andit manifests in the physical
body because the energymanifests via symptoms, the
energy imbalances manifest viasymptoms.
(25:08):
When energy is flowing smoothly, then life is good.
Everything is there are noabnormal symptoms and we say
just go with the flow, Just gowith the flow of nature, Don't
obstruct that flow andeverything will be okay.
Dr Edward (25:29):
So symptoms?
Do you think that you can findproblems in the energy systems
before they become physical andthen kind of heal things before
they become what you know ourkind of physical reality sees as
a disease?
Jeff Feinman (25:50):
I'm so glad you asked because that opens the
door to the essential spiritualmedicine which is homeopathy.
Homeopathy is based on anatural law called
like-secure-likes, but itevolved from working with a
(26:14):
physical substance all the wayto working with an energetic,
spiritual substance.
That's where a lot of thecontroversy comes in nowadays,
because people think homeopathyis all about using these
non-medicine medicines.
But by understanding the energy, by understanding homeopathy
and understanding how the energybalance is reflected in the
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individual.
Yes, we definitely can get atdisease at what is called the
functional level.
The functional level is whenyou know that your animal is
sick.
You go to the vet.
They run all the tests, they doan exam and they say your
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animal is fine, just go home andnot worry about it.
But you go home.
Dr Edward (27:05):
Oh yeah, you're just imagining it.
There's nothing right?
We can't find anything on ourtest, so your animal must be
okay exactly, exactly, but youknow that they're not well and
the way that you know they'renot well is by beam.
Beam as in beautiful sun, beamthat emanates from the sun, the
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source of consciousness, walking, the balance beam, or the
tractor beam for us Trekkies outthere that carry us along on
the path to pet wellness.
Jeff Feinman (27:40):
Beam is an acronym that reflects the inner balance
of the animal, the innerenergetic balance, and BEAM
stands for behavior, energy,appetite and mood, and if you
would like, I'd be happy tobreak them down.
But basically we give all theanimals a BEAM score where 10
(28:06):
out of 10 is like living theirbest life.
We don't like it to go below an8 out of 10.
It fluctuates between 8, 9, and10 because of lifestyle and
other factors, but if it dropsprecipitously then you know
(28:26):
something's wrong, even if yourvet doesn't.
Dr Edward (28:32):
I think too.
My experience is that sometimesit can be so subtle that you
might not even really have muchof a shift on the beam scale,
but people just have a somethingis not quite right here, kind
of knowing, feeling, feelingsensing with their animals.
That can be an indicator ofreally serious disease that
hasn't quite erupted intosymptoms yet.
(28:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
Jeff Feinman (28:56):
And that's where the conscious and compassionate
communication method comes in,because it brings in intuition,
it brings in our, it brings inour gut feeling.
It brings in our feeling thatsomething is just up with our
animals and 99% of the time itdoes reflect in the being itself
(29:19):
.
But it may just be a dog thatwants to be off by himself more
than usual, or that doesn't wantto go to bed like usual, or
that is a little bit slower tostart eating than usual.
I mean, Sue is a great exampleof a pet parent who's been
(29:40):
following the beam since 2016,and a couple years afterwards.
In the beam since 2016 and acouple years afterwards, her pup
Rain stopped making the hurryup, what she called the hurry up
noises.
That was the only symptom waswhen Sue was getting dinner
ready.
Rain wasn't saying hurry up,hurry up, hurry up.
(30:01):
Sue got some blood work doneand saw that there was indeed
some internal stuff going onthat we were able to to improve
homeopathically and your, yourdog archie too, had quite
advanced kidney failure andquite large numbers before you
(30:22):
got symptoms right right.
Dr Edward (30:23):
So you can have subclinical disease.
That I certainly believe.
If we work at an energeticlevel we can either halt or
sometimes even reverse it.
Jeff Feinman (30:32):
That is a great point, because we often don't
realize that symptoms are bothexternal and internal.
Archie was manifesting plentyof symptoms, but they were all
internal.
So, yeah, he was a rare exampleof a dog whose beam wasn't a 10,
(30:57):
but I had grown to accept hisbeam of eight, Not necessarily
always being with me, maybegoing under something instead of
being out wanting to be with me.
Plus, you have to look at thefull context of the animal.
Rj is a dog that, when werescued him, had been badly
(31:18):
abused for his entire life lifeand his path with me went
through ear infections,allergies, chronic diarrheas,
(31:38):
colitis, tumors.
I mean all these things wereresolved until his body said no,
I'm done.
And that goes back to what wetalked about at the beginning of
the conscious compassioncommunication method, that
sometimes we have a soulcontract.
They have a soul contract thatsays you're here for a reason.
Dr Edward (32:04):
You're going to teach your pet parent how to be a
conscious pet parent yeah, thenyou can move on I I strongly,
strongly believe that one of theprimary kind of soul level
purposes of our companionanimals and pets is to crack our
hearts open, and I believe thatthe most effective way they do
that is when they're gone andthe grieving process.
What do you think of that?
Jeff Feinman (32:29):
I, I could not agree more again, having
witnessed it myself betweenjanuary, when archie passed, and
now, and I am a differentperson than I was even a year
ago when I first attended theIIC conference at the University
(32:51):
of Saskatchewan and.
I realized that all thiswoo-woo stuff that we're talking
about is actually science andbeing taught in the university
and backed up lots of research.
So yeah, I mean I realize thatas a scientist that intuitive
(33:13):
interest, species communication,or what you call the analog
communication, is a real thing,and it's a real thing that dates
back thousands of years.
It's a real thing that datesback thousands of years Because,
as you know, all of theindigenous wisdom of the world
is based on that spirit, thatunseen energy that surrounds us
(33:38):
and that is both life andafterlife.
Dr Edward (33:43):
I at the moment am doing an online program with a
woman called Elizabeth Jenkinswho spent 34 years with the Karo
elders, the Peruvian Indigenouspeople, and they talk about
everything being living energies.
They don't even have a wordlike the word it in their
(34:03):
language.
There is nothing in theirlanguage that turns anything
into an object.
Everything is revered as beingalive and conscious, which I
think is a really beautiful wayto live life, and certainly it's
changed my life a lot, shiftingmy perspective to more and more
an animist type understandingof reality and my animals and my
(34:30):
life.
Jeff Feinman (34:32):
Would you do me a favour and tell me your
definition of being an animist?
Dr Edward (34:38):
Oh, it's basically.
Everything is alive.
Everything is alive.
What about a rock?
The trees, the dirt, the rivers, the streams, the sky, the
animals, everything is alive.
The stars, the whole universeis filled with living energy and
intelligence.
Jeff Feinman (34:58):
Bravo.
I mean, there are so few of usthat are recognizing that at
this point and there are many-many human practitioners that
are recognizing that at thispoint, and there are many, many
human practitioners that are,and there's a movement called
Echo Fluency that teaches justwhat you're describing
(35:21):
communication with the fourwinds, communication with the
sun, the other elementals and DrSaskia Fontes is also a hard
scientist who has arrived atthis place, which she now has
originated and is teaching echofluency and I do recommend
everyone take Dr Fontungi'sHecofluency course.
Dr Edward (35:47):
Oh, I'll have to think about that.
I suppose another thing thatthat makes me kind of think
about is the challenge ofscientific exploration of things
that involve subtle energy andconsciousness.
Now we know that theconsciousness of the
experimenter affects the outcome, and all our A-grade studies
(36:11):
are designed to account for thefact that what the researcher
thinks will happen affects theoutcome.
And there is a growing body ofresearch that shows that energy
healing interventions candefinitely do something that is
greater than the placebo.
But when they go to replicateit, they tend to run into
(36:33):
difficulties in replicating it,and I think what I think happens
is this is my little theoryanyway is that a lot of the
people who are replicating itdon't believe it's going to work
, and I think that there's astronger effect of consciousness
when you're in these subtlerealms than the more kind of
grosser things like testing adrug.
What's your thoughts on that?
Jeff Feinman (36:54):
Oh, I could not agree more.
However, there is the varioussubtle energy.
I mean I'll give you a quickstory.
The various subtle energy.
I mean I'll give you a quickstory In the 90s, when I was
first discovering energymedicine I had really painful
carpal tunnel and nothing was.
I mean the braces, medicationsand all the therapy nothing was
(37:19):
helping.
I finally ended up at thiswoo-woo Reiki master's house in
Greenwich I had never heard ofReiki PS.
After three sessions I had nomore carpal tunnel.
I never have, ever since, soyeah that's a great example of
(37:40):
more subtle energy, but it wasused by somebody who believes
strongly and somebody who wasopen-minded, willing to accept
whatever happened.
That is the case for a lot ofsubtle energetic healing,
(38:00):
whether it's intention, whetherit's Reiki, whether it's the
flower essences, but there are afew things that physically move
energy in the body, likemassage and touch, acupressure,
acupuncture and homeopathy.
(38:21):
Of all those, homeopathy is theonly one that I know that uses
symptoms as a guy, as a guy, sojust in other words, I can see a
red ear and trace it back toits energetic roots, um, you
(38:42):
know, even after a course ofmassage or chiropractic or
acupuncture.
So yeah, going back to that dogthat you mentioned earlier that
was already doing everythingbut couldn't be helped.
I really really, reallystrongly feel that
(39:05):
scientifically they can behelped with homeopathy.
Dr Edward (39:09):
Yep, Look, you know, miracles happen.
In Western medicine they callthem spontaneous remissions.
Jeff Feinman (39:19):
And I love, love, love Dr Turner's radical
remission movement, which isbased on the energy flow, it's
based on love, it's based onconnection, it's based on all of
the same things that make upthe path to pet wellness.
So radical remission, the bluezones where people live the
(39:43):
longest in the world, they'reall flow research.
It's a deep neuroscience.
There's now a science calledpsychoneuroimmunology.
It connects neuro PNI PNI forshort, but oh darn, I cut the
book upstairs.
(40:04):
But years ago there was a bookcalled and you may have heard of
this called Anatomy of anIllness by Norman Cousins, where
he was a skeptical butopen-minded journalist who had
developed a chronic painful,facilitating disease that he
(40:26):
basically laughed away.
Laughter put him back in theflow, joy, happiness put him
back in the flow, so his bodywas able to self-heal.
Call that a spontaneousremission, call it what you want
.
Ucla thinks it's real andthat's why the?
Dr Edward (40:47):
psychoneuroimmunology center at ucla is called the
norman cousin center okay,because, yeah, the emotional
state of animals um has a hugeeffect on their well-being yeah,
absolutely yeah, maybe one ofthe most important, actually
(41:08):
maybe the most important.
Jeff Feinman (41:10):
I mean, I'm aware of a rescue an unnamed rescue in
california that feeds a peoplelow quality diet, yet their dogs
are allowed to be happy andplay and energetically be
(41:30):
animals, be dogs.
They even have a feedingstation where it's like they
just punch down prey, but it'sdry food.
Yes, there are giant dogs thatlive to the age when our giant
breed dogs used to live, whichwas 16, 17, 18.
It was pretty routine back inthe 40s and 50s for new fuchs,
(41:52):
new felons and great danes thatlived to 15, 16, 17 years of age
.
Dr Edward (41:57):
Wow, and that's probably because of the
emotional well-beingcounteracting everything else.
Jeff Feinman (42:04):
Yeah, Exactly exactly the conclusion that I
came to.
It didn't matter what else wasgoing on, if they were happy and
they were joyful and they wereemotionally healthy.
They were balancing out,because that is what the great
psychologist Aaron Beck calledbefore he died.
That's the sweet spot of ananimal.
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For all of us, our sweet spot'sfairy.
What do?
You love to do the most.
What gives you the greatest joy?
Is it service?
Is it this, is it that?
But for an animal, we canusually identify it very quickly
very quickly and you askedabout what one of the first
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things I do when I see a sickpet is.
After happiness factor, thenthe next question is identify
what your animal loves loves todo the most.
Some love their food Archie wasone who loved his food more than
anything else.
Some love their balls.
Some love to play.
Some love their balls, somelove to play.
Some love being petted, somejust love hanging out with you.
(43:09):
And then step two of thehappiness protocol is just
double the amount of that thatyou're already doing, and then
use the beam blueprint tomonitor how you're doing.
Is it improving?
And if it's not improving, thenyou may need to add something
else yeah, and, of course,healthy, vital, fresh, whole
(43:31):
foods diet.
Dr Edward (43:32):
So I think I think it's time to start wrapping up
our conversation.
It's been very interesting,fascinating um exploration today
.
I've been really enjoying it.
So I have a couple of questionsthat I'd like to explore at the
end of the podcast.
Um.
So if there was one wake-upcall, you know, what do you
(43:53):
think is humanity's biggestblind spot when it comes to to
our shared journey of evolutionand healing and wellness?
Jeff Feinman (44:02):
oh my goodness, that's Another very small
question.
Dr Edward (44:06):
It is it's tiny, isn't it?
Jeff Feinman (44:07):
It is tiny yeah, in fact I'm not even going to
bother you, you can just go tothe thing.
No, wake up.
I think it's the number onething Be awake, be conscious, be
aware of everything around you.
Be aware of the soul energy.
Be aware of the soul energy, Beaware of the spirit that imbues
(44:30):
that tree, that imbues thatlife force that may or may not
seem to be alive to you.
So yeah, awaken, I mean myself.
Every morning, when Itransition from sleep to awake,
I go, I am awakening yeah, um,I'm so on board with that.
Dr Edward (44:52):
Um, I think all of the ills that affect our earth
and then therefore affect ouranimals and therefore affect us,
really come back to this lossof human capacity to be in
connection with the fact thateverything is alive and needs to
be honored as as much as wehonor ourselves or our beloveds.
(45:17):
You know, if, if everything, ifsuddenly everything was our
beloved, how different would theworld be if humanity managed to
make that leap of consciousness?
Jeff Feinman (45:28):
We'd all be in the flow.
We'd all be flowing, going withthe flow, and that's what the
great psychiatrist David Hawkinswould talk about the levels of
consciousness and that level oflove.
If enough of us get into thatstate, then the world will be
healed.
(45:49):
We'll all be healed asoptimally as possible, and it's
great that we're discussing thistoday being Indigenous wisdom,
indigenous Native Day here inthe US, because that is the
basis for all Native AmericanFirst Nations, and Indigenous
wisdom throughout the worldthroughout the ages.
Dr Edward (46:12):
Well, all Indigenous peoples had this life view, this
knowing this way of living andrelating with nature.
And you might notice that allthe hunter-gatherers and
Indigenous people did notdestroy the earth.
Jeff Feinman (46:29):
No, and they revered the animals and plants
that gave them nourishment, thatsustained them, that gave them
life.
I mean my study with the NativeAmerican elder.
We often talk about veganism,vegetarianism, and her eating of
(46:50):
animals, and today was wearingleather or moccasins and that's
because they revere the animalswhen they're alive and when
they're dead and the animalsfreely give themselves to people
that revere them, and that'spart of why unentangling our
entanglement will allow them totransition more smoothly.
Dr Edward (47:16):
This is true.
And final thing, you know Ialways liked McGarney's thing
that you know be the change thatyou want to see in the world.
So what is the change that youwant to be that could then
perhaps inspire others in thisworld?
Jeff Feinman (47:38):
Well, the change that I'm trying to be is an
energetic being that'stransmitting to everyone around
me that there is another way oflooking at health and disease
and life.
That is the energetic andspiritual path, the path to
(48:01):
wellness, and I'm removing thepet part because it's a path to
wellness.
And I'm removing the pet partbecause it's a path to wellness
for pets, people and the planet.
And that goes into our paradigmof ohm, which stands for one
health medicine yes and that'llthat'll be another, another
podcast perhaps?
Dr Edward (48:19):
yeah, I would love to really dig into that one health
concept.
Um, I went and spoke at aconference in Colorado last year
Was it this year?
It was this year, earlier thisyear and they were talking.
There was a lot of talk aboutthe One Health movement and
principles and philosophy.
I'd also just like to remindeveryone listening too, that the
(48:42):
kind of spirituality that DrJeff is talking about is not
constrained by religion.
It transcends and can hold anyreligion within it.
This kind of worldview, in myopinion, yeah, I would agree, a
thousand percent.
Jeff Feinman (48:59):
And you don't even need to really be part of any
religion to be highly spiritual.
Dr Edward (49:07):
No, not at all.
I am definitely not part of areligion.
I am involved in a number ofdifferent kinds of spiritual
practice and paths, and I get alot of enrichment out of my life
from a whole range of differentthings, from a whole range of
different things.
Well, I think we may havesqueezed all the juice out of
(49:30):
this conversation.
Thank you so much to everyonefor listening, and particularly
thank you, dr Jeff, for beingpart of this.
Jeff Feinman (49:41):
Where can people find you and how can you help
them?
Thank you for asking.
You can find me at.
Holisticactionscom is by farthe best place, and I'll give
you a link to our freeone-on-one course that starts to
teach them the paradigm thatwe're talking about I'll make
(50:03):
sure that link is in the shownotes.
Dr Edward (50:06):
And you know, and now all of you listening, please
give all your pets a beautifulpat and have a lovely play with
them, for us and with us.
Thank you so much.
We will see you in the nextepisode.
Jeff Feinman (50:20):
Bye-bye and thank you all for listening.
Thank you, Ed, for inviting me.
You're welcome.
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