November 4, 2025 • 53 mins
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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Oh fuck a lot, Big Mama.
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I don't even know what the right three.
But all I know is time foranother episode of Who's
Driving.
Welcome to Who's Driving.
I'm West McMurdo.
And I'm Stephen Murray.
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We're Two Best Friends and Entrepreneurs.
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Who's Driving is an entertaining look into the
behind the scenes of our livespring.
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These are the stories we share and topics we
discussed.
Two best friends would along theway.
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Along the way, we'll check in with friends and offer
a wide range of informativetopics centered around running
small businesses, social media,and also making home cars.
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Buckle up and enjoy the ride.
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You never know who's driving or where we're headed.
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All we know is it's always a fun ride.
Can you talk now?
You got what you're talkingabout.
Give me some of that.
We got in these amazing ricecrispies, gourmet rice crispies
at the warehouse.
Dylan dug into one and broughtus half of it.
By the way, we are recordingremotely at the warehouse, so if
(01:05):
the sounds a little funky,echoey, you know, you just gotta
go with the flow.
We are not professionals.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
And we're never gonna be.
I don't even know how we'regetting this one.
We were I feel like anindentured servant.
We may not even be recording.
SPEAKER_03 (01:24):
So last week we ended up skipping the episode
unintentionally again, butStephen when um Stephen and
Dylan, y'all were at the highpoint furniture market.
Yeah.
We were gonna record on the wayhome, but it was raining and it
got dark.
It was turbal, y'all.
SPEAKER_01 (01:40):
It was it was one of those where people were stopping
and it was like so it was not agood situation.
SPEAKER_03 (01:52):
And then we've had a busy week and a busy so-and-so,
and it's a busy, busy becausewe're in the middle of the busy
season, but we're happy aboutthat.
So I want to, since we didn'tget to do last week's, I want to
recap market.
And you know, I didn't go tomarket.
This is the first high pointmarket I've missed without you
and I missed one together, aplanned one, one time.
(02:15):
Um, but just like didn't go.
SPEAKER_01 (02:19):
And I honestly thought that it was gonna be
more of a vacation because Iwasn't there.
Yeah, and you and I really splitup.
We really don't do that markettogether anyway.
But I was like, oh, it's gonnabe nice.
I don't have to hear your mouth.
SPEAKER_03 (02:38):
I don't have to advise this is a live.
SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
I thought I I won't have to keep up with you.
SPEAKER_03 (02:44):
You miss you don't do any of that anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
I won't have to like meet up with you to do a live or
anything.
But you know what I discovered?
You missed it.
I do it to myself.
That's right.
You're the problem because see,you ended up.
I couldn't be happy justshopping.
I had to go figure findsomething to do.
(03:07):
And to jump on and did a live.
It's not me.
I know.
It's Nick.
It's us.
It's us.
Um but it was a good market.
I did kind of miss you in a way,but honestly, that is the one
market we do not do together.
All we do are wives together.
SPEAKER_03 (03:23):
Yeah, so normally Steven's hunting for the larger
furniture pieces and usuallydesign clients like.
And I run around and find theaccessories.
I come in and check on you, andyou'll be like, Oh, I've got
this and this.
And I'm like, love it, love it,don't care.
(03:45):
We'll do like the upholsterytogether or something like that.
But um, it wasn't a big dealbecause the stuff I would
normally order, we were in agood place, so it was fine.
So um tell us then about market.
SPEAKER_00 (04:01):
Market?
What trends are you seeing?
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (04:07):
Okay, I'll do first major colors.
There's two.
The number one hottest color ofevery shade known to man is
green.
SPEAKER_03 (04:21):
I was gonna say it's gotta be green, I'm guessing.
SPEAKER_01 (04:23):
And the number two is uh mostly navy blue.
Blue is hotter than ever.
And it blue took so long to getto Greenville.
SPEAKER_03 (04:37):
You know, it's been blue for a long time.
SPEAKER_01 (04:40):
Years things are getting to Greenville a little
quicker now.
Yeah.
Well, we're getting more of amix of people.
Yeah.
They it used to be, we used tobe at least five years behind
trends in Greenville.
You know, I think the smaller,more removed you are.
But those were two of thebiggest color trends, animal
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prints on everything.
SPEAKER_03 (05:05):
I've been talking about that for a couple of
seasons.
On everything.
SPEAKER_01 (05:09):
Um rugs, furniture, you name it.
And I can get into that.
And taxidermy.
Yes.
Taxidermy has moved in, youknow.
I have always been in ataxidermy.
Judge me, whatever.
I don't really care.
Um, I love it.
(05:29):
I don't hunt.
I do not, I do, I can't kill ananimal.
I do not think there's anythingwrong with killing an animal if
you're gonna eat.
I don't really like it forsport, personally.
But I love them.
It brings nature in, especiallywhen you live in a condo in the
city.
To me, growing up on a farm inthe country, I want to feel a
(05:52):
little bit of that.
So I love that trend.
Um, still your metals, yourantique brass, huge.
Anything warm is waste.
Anything warm.
Um, there's a couple of trendsthat are not my bag.
And see, I'm that person, Iresist some trends.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
I'm that way with new cars.
SPEAKER_03 (06:15):
Well, and you gotta remember that's what they are.
And some trends they diequicker.
They die quicker than others.
This one is sticking around.
SPEAKER_01 (06:24):
Pattern shades.
They are like window shades?
No, only lamps shades.
They are hot.
SPEAKER_04 (06:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (06:37):
The other thing are that I do not care for, and this
is a Steven personal thing.
I do not care for pleatedshades.
Oh, yeah.
And it's a practical, theycollect dust.
That's why I don't like them.
It's not, I think they're prettywhen they're clean and new, but
they they don't stay that way.
(06:58):
Yeah.
Um, that's huge.
Um anything, anything wornpatterned on sofas.
Yeah.
Personally, for my clients, Iwill always say, do not do a
patterned sofa.
I did one patterned sofa in mylife, and I wanted, I spent a
(07:19):
lot of money on it.
And I was so sick of that damnthing in two years, I wanted to
set fire to it.
SPEAKER_03 (07:27):
When I moved, it stayed.
And we've always told people atour retail store, if you want a
pattern, buy it in your chairs.
Buy it in your throw pillows.
Yeah.
Keep your sofa solid becausethat is something you're
typically going to keep 10 yearsor longer.
SPEAKER_01 (07:43):
It's the most money.
And then don't do as wild of aprint or bold on your chair,
because that's your second mostexpensive.
Do your do your bold out therethings in your pillows.
Or a rug.
Yeah.
Some people.
SPEAKER_04 (07:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
So uh those were those were to me were the
biggest trends that it reallyjumped out at me.
Yeah.
And what was interesting to me,antiques, antiques, antiques,
antiques, antiques are so.
We've been calling this for atleast two and a half years now.
They are so hot things that Ihave in my home.
(08:22):
I promise you I could sell tentimes what I paid.
SPEAKER_03 (08:27):
Literally.
And you were saying even some ofour vendors have said they're
now introducing, which we alsotalked about in previous
episodes.
We were seeing vendors have oneor two antique inspired replica
type pieces.
And then you said one of ourvendors is coming out with a
line of antique replicas.
(08:49):
Yes.
That's how hot like antique.
SPEAKER_01 (08:51):
And one of our high-end designers, uh, they're
actually going to Europe, buyingand then replicating it.
No, they're buying antiques,putting it in their showrooms,
and they're selling.
Oh, they're just selling theantiques.
The one off.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You buy that one.
They ain't cheap.
SPEAKER_03 (09:09):
One.
But nothing like it is.
It's crazy how that's comingback around.
The like antiques.
SPEAKER_01 (09:16):
I mean, I used to be able to buy stuff.
SPEAKER_03 (09:19):
It's just like though it's a little bit
different style.
It's more of your like Europeaninspired antiques.
SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
Yeah, it's not as much your American antiques.
It's your definitely yourEnglish English and French for
the most part.
Yeah.
Um, the one thing that isdifferent about the antiques and
the trend is there's a lot ofbleached oak, which I happen to
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like.
I really like my, I really likemy really dark walnut uh age
pieces, but I also kind of getinto that bleach.
I have both.
I like both of them.
Yeah, I do too.
I really want them bleached orreally dark.
I really don't like personally.
You don't want that in betweenin that cherry kind of tone or
(10:12):
any of that.
But it's so interesting in justhow much they cost.
Mirrors, uh, antique mirrors,super hot, crazy expensive.
Raise, insanely expensive.
And the older, older they are,you know, the Parisian ones,
it's just insane.
Yeah.
(10:32):
It is insane.
The good thing is, is those ofus that have always collected
have the pieces.
We have them.
You're back on track.
But you really, it's hard now toum to go out and match that
trend without spending a lot ofmoney.
Yeah.
And I really like that.
(10:53):
I like that whole look anyway.
I personally, I don't want allnew in a home.
I like layers.
SPEAKER_03 (11:01):
It makes it home.
It makes it feel homey when youadd some new, you add some
antiques, you layer in this,layer in that.
It creates your style.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:12):
Grandma's cabinet.
You know, I can walk through myhome and say, that was my
great-grandmother's.
That was my grandmother's.
That was here.
I found this one there.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:21):
This one's from our store.
SPEAKER_01 (11:22):
Literally, I mean, literally, literally, you can I
can walk through and say, I gotthat and a yard sale for$15.
SPEAKER_03 (11:31):
Yeah.
Literally, I can't.
This is new from our home store.
Yeah.
Like you have the whole mix inthere.
But that's what makes ituniquely yours in your home in
your style.
You didn't try to, you didn't gopick out a set somewhere, or you
didn't go too antique heavyeither.
SPEAKER_01 (11:48):
No, no.
I like a good mix.
And um, I mean, honestly, Iwould really, I could easily go
antique heavy.
Yeah.
But I won't always have thatlevel of comfort.
Right.
And I want everything to bepractical and you and you can
use it.
Yeah.
You don't want to sit down on awobbly chair that don't sit on
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that dining chair because it'sgonna fall apart.
If you come in my home, there isnothing that you can't stand on,
sit on, or use.
SPEAKER_03 (12:18):
That's true.
But he will be right behind you,fluffing, straightening.
I didn't say that.
SPEAKER_01 (12:24):
But there's nothing that's so rickety or so precious
that you can't sit on it, useit, fart on it, whatever you
need to do.
Oh my God.
I mean, I don't want that.
Yeah.
And like some rugs, I go, youknow, shopping for clients.
And listen, there's a rug foreverybody's budget, just like a
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haircut, just like a lamp.
Everybody has a differentbudget.
I am not going to spend what acar costs personally on a rug.
Nope.
SPEAKER_03 (13:00):
Not gonna do it.
But you know, we've talked aboutthat before in previous
podcasts.
Maybe you're in the works ofreworking.
If you want a rug like thatthat's expensive, get a less
expensive and then layer yourstatement rug on top.
And then you can downsize.
You don't have to have a 10 by15 rug.
(13:22):
That can be your base, lessexpensive rug.
And then you can get one withthe cool pattern that's the
antique.
SPEAKER_01 (13:28):
Or if you don't use your dining room, let's face it,
a lot of people do not use theirdining rooms.
They're there for looks.
Put that expensive rug in therewhere it's not going to get
ruined.
If you use your dining roomevery day, I have friends that
use their dining room every day.
That's where their family eats.
Why the hell would you put a$50,000 rug in there?
(13:52):
I mean, I ain't putting a$50,000rug anywhere.
Not in my house.
SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
It would have chicken shit, donkey shit,
rubbed all in it.
That's funny.
Speaking of that, is that allthe is that does that hit your
trends?
SPEAKER_01 (14:08):
Yeah, it was a really good market.
I mean, it was um, I didn't getany like, you know, you go to
some and you don't, you're like,I don't even have a feeling.
I don't have a good feeling, abad it was just a blah.
It was a good market.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (14:24):
I think it is funny backing up like you were saying,
like taxidermy is popular andthat sort of thing.
And the live sale that youjumped on and did was turtle
shells, which I have in mydining room, you've had in your
house, um, and antler mounts.
Which we've sold for years.
And we've even done this livesale before, and we it always
says fine.
(14:45):
It does okay.
It's yeah, it's like a 10-minutelive sale.
Um, here, do y'all want theseantlers because you've seen them
in our house or the turtleshells?
But we sell some.
We sell some, and it's you know,it's 10 minutes in and out.
It's fine.
The way they bought them thistime, though.
Totally different.
Like night and day.
SPEAKER_01 (15:06):
Bought everything we damn had.
Yeah.
Like to the point where I'm likehaving to steal from what I
bought for the store to which Iwas shocked.
I mean, I guess it showed youhow it's on trend.
SPEAKER_03 (15:19):
How it's on trend, um, and top of the trend now.
And you were saying the guy waslike saying how so.
SPEAKER_01 (15:27):
Yeah, we've been buying from this same vendor,
and I was like, you know, I Ilove to talk to everybody about
business and how they gotstarted.
SPEAKER_03 (15:37):
To me, it's he's got such a little niche there's
market turtle shells, antlers,loose antlers, like sheds,
mounts, and mounts.
SPEAKER_01 (15:48):
They're all European.
So I'm like, and I ended upspending way too much time with
this guy, very nice guy.
And I'm like, how in the helldid you get it?
SPEAKER_03 (16:00):
Because he's been doing it for years.
Yeah.
I mean, since we've been goingthere, so we've been going for
more than 10 years.
Yeah, years.
He's been doing that.
We've been buying from him.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
I said, How in the hell?
Like, how did you end up andlike everything else?
It wasn't planned.
It just happened.
Yeah.
Um, but it was interestingbecause he said now it is super,
super on trend.
And even like the quantitiesthat he can get in Europe are
(16:34):
getting smaller.
Yeah.
Like it is getting harder andharder and harder.
So the price is going to go up,up, up, up.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (16:45):
Well, that's the way it goes.
You know what something else,and again, like those things
never go out of style.
Certain things, like antiques,people are being like, I've had
antiques.
It doesn't go out of style.
We're talking about what's hot.
And you got to realize there'sdifferent generations that come
on every time.
So there's new people decoratingtheir house that maybe never did
(17:08):
have antiques when you'resitting over here going, well,
that ain't nothing new.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
And there's a lot of baby boomers that hate antiques.
SPEAKER_03 (17:16):
Right, because they inherited them.
Or they grew up with them, andit's not something.
SPEAKER_01 (17:22):
Um, like my grandparents.
Yeah.
My my my parents' parentsthought I was nuts.
Buying antiques and antiquerugs, especially.
I would get so much, you know,my one grand mom's mom.
Uh-huh.
She came to my house, and let mejust tell you, my house was
(17:44):
pretty.
We're talking my old house.
It was a very house you pads.
But it was very pretty, and itwas very uh layered, very well
done, if I do say so myself.
But she came in and she sat inmy dining room and she looked
down, and that was ahundred-year-old rug in there.
Beautiful.
(18:05):
And she said, I just do not knowwhy in the world you want to
buy, pay all this money forthese wore-out damn rugs.
I wouldn't have this in myhouse.
I grew up, this was theconversation.
I grew up with these threadbarren rugs with I why would you
(18:28):
have this?
You can afford new rugs.
I was like, because I likethese.
Right.
I like these vegetable-dyed,worn-out rugs.
SPEAKER_03 (18:37):
They look warm and used and homey.
But what I was gonna say is thisalso relates back and is like
cow hides.
When we started in 2013, thehome store, we bought cow hides
by like, and again, they're notout of style, and they're
actually, I feel like, comingback to like we've already rode
(18:57):
the wave.
Like we would sell like cowhides every day.
Like we had stacks of, we wouldjust sell cop, like we could not
keep them.
And then it was like we wouldsell one occasionally, like we
would go and buy some, and thenand now I feel like going back
to the animal print, you'restarting to see more kind of of
that again.
And so it's just funny how thetrends come and go, but it
(19:20):
doesn't mean you're out ofstyle.
SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
No, it's just on what is hot for a trend, and it
changes.
But that was interesting, and uhjust watching the activity
around those things is likecrazy.
SPEAKER_03 (19:35):
And it's funny that we've been selling those.
We've had those in our store,every market we've bought from
them since 2013.
SPEAKER_01 (19:44):
And we now interesting, I don't know if we
talked about this.
One of our rug vendors that webought for forever since the
beginning, they now have asection of antique
one-of-a-cons.
Rugs.
Rugs.
Oh.
SPEAKER_03 (20:02):
So it is across all industries, like rugs and
furniture.
It's across everywhere.
Yeah.
Like you see that it's veryinteresting.
Well, well, while you were gone,or actually the day you were
leaving, or the day before, andthis was kind of one of the
things that made me go, maybe Ishouldn't go to High Point
Market.
Was a legitimate reason.
(20:24):
Cleo or donkey, my donkey, nothis.
Not mine.
Um Cleo had her baby.
SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
You haven't seen it yet.
I won't.
I'm so excited.
I know.
I've been so I'm not sure.
I know we haven't really talkedabout it.
SPEAKER_03 (20:39):
I think you mentioned it maybe on here.
Maybe not.
I don't know.
I was a little nervous.
Yeah, because I was like, and Ididn't show it on Instagram.
So a lot of people were like,Well, did you know she was
pregnant?
And I'm like, Yes, I didn't.
I mean, she was as big as thistable.
But and they're pregnant for ayear.
Yeah, it takes 12 months.
A lot of people were surprisedto find that out.
It's the two period no for likesix.
(21:01):
Yeah.
Um, and then you're like, theonly thing I knew is I had seen
the deed happening, and I couldnot remember.
I don't know why I didn't writeit down, but I either I said
it's either Halloween or it'sThanksgiving.
It was one of those, and Ithought, oh, I'll remember.
And I was like, oh, I'llremember, you know, by the
(21:23):
summertime, if I can tell she'spregnant, I will know it's
Halloween or Thanksgiving.
Okay, well, I have a questionabout this because we haven't
discussed this.
SPEAKER_01 (21:32):
Oh God.
SPEAKER_03 (21:33):
No, it was she enjoying it?
Um, I mean, I don't think shedidn't smoke a cigarette after.
SPEAKER_01 (21:42):
She didn't seem like she didn't seem like she was
being violated.
No.
SPEAKER_03 (21:46):
Oh no, oh no, no.
When she it when she um is readyfor it, she chases Romeo down.
SPEAKER_02 (21:57):
She she flaunts it.
She's like, come to me, bigdaddy.
Really?
Oh yeah.
She will bite at it.
Good.
SPEAKER_03 (22:05):
She will back up in his face.
Like give it to you.
Yeah, she will back up in hisface and actually.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's not like, no, she hasthe control.
Yeah, she she she flirts withhim.
So I knew that it was gonna bearound Halloween or
Thanksgiving, and I couldn'tremember.
(22:26):
And I told you that, and youwere like, oh hell, she's gonna
have that baby when we're athigh point furniture market, and
Daniel's gonna be here on thefarm.
Nervous breakdown.
SPEAKER_01 (22:35):
Here on the farm.
Daniel is really good with theplants and being Mr.
Plant Farmer.
Not animal farmer.
He's not an animal farmer.
No, and honestly, I'm justputting this out there.
I can handle a lot.
I can milk a cow.
I could handle doing a lot ofthings.
(22:56):
Yeah.
I I I don't want any part ofthat.
Of the birds.
I just get too much.
SPEAKER_03 (23:03):
That wouldn't have bothered me.
I was more nervous about like,oh, if something goes wrong, you
know, that sort of thing.
But um the funny thing is, so Ihad been watching her.
I'm like, okay, she's gettingcloser.
There were some checks I coulddo and like whatever.
Um and so I was like, she'sgetting closer.
Well, one night.
SPEAKER_01 (23:22):
Y'all don't even want to know about those checks.
SPEAKER_03 (23:24):
One night, um, you know, I looked at her and I
tried to pay attention.
Like, does she look the same?
Has it dropped?
Has it made whatever?
And so the next morning her milkhad come in.
Like her teeth were big.
And I was like, oh, thathappened overnight.
So that day I separated.
I was like, okay, we're gettingvery close.
(23:45):
So I separated her into her ownarea.
And then it wasn't that night,but the next night is when she
had the baby.
SPEAKER_01 (23:51):
And I want to tell our listeners, not in a vulgar
way.
Not in a vulgar way, becauseit's not vulgar, it's just the
way you do it.
It's that it's horses to.
Um one of the checks that youcan do to see when they're
getting close is you pull theirvagina open and you see what
(24:16):
color it is.
SPEAKER_03 (24:18):
Yes.
If it's pink, it's not time, butit gets brighter red because of
all the blood flow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, it's fine.
It's fine.
It is a little look, and it'sfine.
Um, but Daniel was like, dang,you got that right.
(24:39):
Like you hit that right on thehead.
I said, I know, look at me go.
SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
Um you know, and this is this is a fun fact.
Yeah.
All my years growing up.
I mean, I grew up more farmythan you did.
SPEAKER_03 (24:54):
Yeah, because we didn't you didn't have like we
grew up in the farm area, butyou didn't have farmers.
SPEAKER_01 (25:00):
Animals.
SPEAKER_03 (25:01):
You had we had pet animal, that particular.
I've never watched an animal beborn.
Oh, really?
I can remember if I have reallyeither.
Well, and I didn't with this oneeither.
So I was on my way to here tothe warehouse to do a live sale.
And so I went out and fed herand checked everything, and she
(25:21):
didn't sing anything crazy.
And that was at like 3:30 in theafternoon.
And she was eating, and I waslike, okay, I'll check on.
So left, came here, did a livesale, you know, went to like 10
or something.
I don't know.
But I think that one I didn'tget home until like 10:30, 1045.
So I went in, hadn't had dinneryet, ate dinner, and then I was
(25:42):
like, let me, I was about to goto bed.
It was like midnight.
And I was like, let me go makesure nothing's going on with
Cleo, because a lot of timesthey say they will naturally,
naturally have them at nightbecause of like predators and
stuff, like they can hide alittle bit.
Well, I went out there with myflashlight, and there they were,
(26:04):
both of them.
It was standing up.
He was dry, he was dry, fluffy,ready to go.
Like nothing had happened.
No, she was fine.
Like, hey.
Isn't that amazing?
And she, I'm glad she was like,she took to it, you know, and
let it nurse and everything likethat.
And I didn't have to doanything.
I mean, it was.
She was cleaned up.
SPEAKER_04 (26:23):
He was the miracle of life.
It is.
SPEAKER_03 (26:25):
I mean, so that was that was my most stressful part
leading up to it.
It was like, if I have to getinvolved in something, like, I
don't know, one of my pullinghooks out and you know.
SPEAKER_01 (26:38):
I I do know at different times, different
family members had to help.
Right.
I know.
And I was like, eh.
SPEAKER_03 (26:48):
I wouldn't mind the like fluids and stuff.
You just kind of have to knowthough what you're doing, like
pulling.
So, but they they were fine.
Um, the next day I was worriedabout um one of her teeth seemed
like harder.
So I was worried about itgetting infected and stopped up
or whatever.
But so I called the vet and Ihad to go check her th her
(27:11):
temperature.
They were like, do you feelcomfortable checking her
temperature?
And I said, Well, I have adigital thermometer like I use
on myself.
Does that work?
And she's like, Yeah.
And I said, I'm guessing thisisn't going under the tongue.
She said, No.
You're gonna do it erectile.
(27:31):
So I thought, okay, let me justgo out here.
She was fine.
Um, and they were like, gonnacall in antibiotics because they
didn't have anyone that couldcome out.
And it was Friday, of course.
And then they called back andthey were like, she doesn't have
a fever.
You said they seem fine.
It may not have discovered thatside yet, because it's been less
(27:52):
than 24 hours, so it could justbe that, and then it works
itself out.
They were like, just try to milkit some.
So I just go out there and likemake sure it was not clogged up
and stuff, and then just milk ita little bit.
And it was fine.
And now they're happy.
That's great.
SPEAKER_01 (28:08):
So baby Milo.
It's a miracle, like, yeah, andyou know, but I mean, listen,
and do not do not text and say,Women, it's just a miracle.
What women do, what animals do,it's just amazing.
But you know, my grandmotherused to, when she had her four
(28:30):
children, she would work all dayin the field.
She, I know, I know one or two.
No, I think it was two children.
She had all four of them athome.
And she birthed, I know one, Ithink two, by herself.
Like there was no midwife there.
(28:52):
And I got this.
And she was back up and at it.
Like that was the way it was.
I know.
That's the way it was.
It was the way it was.
And you know, before I was, youknow, I'm very queasy about
stuff now.
I don't do blood, I don't doanything, which is kind of
comical because I did used tokill chickens.
Um but my first like study ofanatomy, because when I was
(29:15):
little, I was very curious abouteverything.
Not you.
I was.
SPEAKER_03 (29:21):
And I wasn't squeaming.
What's that, Mama?
I wasn't squeaming.
Mama, what's that?
What's that, Mama?
SPEAKER_01 (29:26):
When we would kill hogs, we would, you know, you
take the inerts and usually dumpthem like in the edge of out in
the middle of the day.
You'd be like, what is this?
I wanted to know all the organs.
Yeah.
That's when I like realized howeverything worked together.
(29:47):
Like, playing in it.
I was asking.
SPEAKER_03 (29:50):
Yeah, like, what is this?
Oh, this is the bladder.
Yeah.
But I wonder why like you wentfrom that to being squeamish.
I wonder what the like Probablythe trauma of my childhood.
SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
That's funny.
SPEAKER_03 (30:05):
But I wish that I wasn't like so like uh like I
just I don't like blood eat I ituh I d I don't like it.
It all depends on the situation.
Like the other week Daniel cuthis finger, he was doing
something dumb.
He was like, I was doingsomething so dumb.
And he cut it with the chainsaw,like the tip of his thumb.
(30:28):
He's like, I could have cut itoff.
He's like, I just it just kindof bounced and hit it like boom,
boom, boom, or whatever.
Um and he was like, I justwrapped it up.
I didn't even look at it, I justwrapped it up, put a band-aid on
it, it's fine, like or whatever.
And I was like, you gotta lookat it.
He's the same way.
He's like, no, I'm not.
And I said, okay, I will look atit.
Like that, I knew, like, I knewhis finger wasn't like cut off
(30:50):
or something.
So I didn't mind that.
And I'm like, I'm pretty surethe way you sound and you're not
that I'm I'm like, it probablytook chunks out of it.
So you're gonna have some littledents in your finger, but you'll
be fine and feel back in in alittle bit.
He was fine there.
But um the funny thing is backto so baby Milo is the donkey's
(31:11):
name.
That's what I'm going with,Milo.
Um, but if you don't know,because in my stories on
Instagram, I don't know why yesthe other day, it wasn't
yesterday, the day before, umsent off a little thing.
I guess because Romeo was in thebackground.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
But everything had been a little bit more um his
emotions had been a little bitmore volatile.
SPEAKER_03 (31:35):
Right.
Well, okay, so what happened?
So I was showing the baby, andyou could see Romeo in the
background, and he's in aseparate fence now, with he's in
the bigger pasture with thegoats, the emus.
They're all hanging outtogether.
And then baby Miles, Milo, um,and Cleo are over in their small
(31:55):
area and they have the littlebarn and stuff and all that.
So I was showing the baby.
Well, then Romeo, you know, helikes to yell anytime he sees
me.
Well, when people see that, theyalways think that's why I
stopped showing Romeo and theanimals in general, because
anytime, usually when I showthem or I'm walking out and
(32:18):
Romeo yells, and they're like,Oh, what's wrong with him?
Poor Romeo, he needs attentionor something, like he's being
abused, abused and ignored.
So yesterday when I did thatwith Cleo and the baby, and
Romeo was in the backgroundwhile he was at the fence
yelling or letting out a yell,and so me, oh, poor Romeo, so
(32:39):
neglected now.
You need to go give Romeo loveto.
And I'm like, this is a30-second story.
Like, you didn't see that Ialready did that with him.
I was just showing the baby, youknow what I'm saying?
And that shit just burns my assup.
I don't know why, because it'slike you don't know the story,
so why are you commenting likeI'm doing something wrong?
SPEAKER_01 (32:59):
And you don't know, you and you don't pe most people
don't understand the farm lifedynamics.
Yeah, how the there's a likeRomeo is the king of that farm.
SPEAKER_03 (33:14):
Farm a hero protector, he's a guardian.
Donkeys are guardians.
So anyway, he beats the shit outof them.
If they get out, they are introuble with Romeo.
Yeah.
So Romeo, if he were to get inwith put him in, because people
were like, why don't you justlet him in with Cleo and the
baby?
Well, he would kill the baby,and then he would try to breed
(33:38):
meaning to.
Well, no, he would mean to.
Well, I know, but it's kind oflike a hierarchy, like he wants
to be the king.
Yeah.
Who's this little baby?
I'm gonna kill it fast.
It's hard to think about, but itis true.
So um, that's why they'reseparated.
He's not neglected, and theyhave to stay because she's very,
you know, hormonal.
(33:58):
And they can, I think they havea really quick like cycle.
Um, right after, but you don'twant them to get pregnant, but
she could just because of like,you know, all the hormones and
milk and all that stuff.
So anyway, that's why they haveto stay separate.
Long story short.
Yeah.
It's kind of a big deal too.
SPEAKER_01 (34:16):
Um yeah, he Romeo.
In fact, we talked today and Iwas like, what's floating to
Romeo?
Yeah, yeah.
You can hear him.
SPEAKER_03 (34:24):
And I was like, because he sounded like he was
pissed.
Well, I had the door open.
But I was inside my house, likebut he was pissed.
Yeah.
He was pissed that a goat gotout.
SPEAKER_01 (34:33):
Yeah, a goat got out.
See, that's his that is hisplace.
He is in charge of all of thoseanimals.
And if they get out, he is mad,and you have to protect them
till he cools down.
He's like your dad with a reallybad temper.
You have pushed his last nerve.
And like, I've been there two orthree times when he's almost
(34:58):
killed a goat for getting out.
Like, we thought one was dead.
SPEAKER_03 (35:02):
He'll pick them up by the back of the neck and like
hang them in the air and thegoat's screaming.
It's disastrous.
SPEAKER_01 (35:10):
I have to go run through the field and like And
you would think the goat thatsee the goat that goats are not
very smart.
Because you would think aftergoing through that, they would
be like, I'm gonna keep my assin this pasture.
Oh no.
But they forget and then and hecalms down, like seriously.
He he's calmed down in 15minutes.
SPEAKER_03 (35:31):
Yeah, yeah.
Usually what I do the rightthing, I figured out, I don't
know how I figured this out, butif a goat gets out, I'll go get
food, and then when I put thegoat in, I'll immediately feed
them.
So it changes the concentrationand the dynamic, and then he
eats and he's fine.
But if the goat gets out and Idon't feed him, and I just put
the goat back in there, he'sgonna whip that goat's ass.
(35:53):
He's gonna chase that goat downand he is gonna teach it a
lesson.
SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
It is it is very real, it's actually pretty cool
though, the way nature works andthat.
Because it is like you you wereon my watch.
SPEAKER_03 (36:07):
Yeah, you little heifer.
That's right.
Okay, we don't have much time,but I have one more topic that I
want to get to because we're at35.
We're doing a live sale afterthis.
Yeah, we're working.
We're 8 p.m.
almost, and we got to do a livesale and finish up.
SPEAKER_01 (36:22):
It's November 3rd, and we do not get a day off
until like December 15th.
SPEAKER_03 (36:26):
Um, but I have a we're gonna have a therapy
session.
I kind of told you about this.
You did a little bit.
So Steven has maybe you at homecan relate to is Dylan still
here or T leave?
He may have left.
Dylan.
He left.
I guess he left.
(36:47):
So damn, I need Dylan to I needDylan to back me up, and I need
Dylan to be in on this.
I feel like this could be agroup therapy.
But Steven has this thing.
Um, specifically, I feel likeit's to your kitchen more than
anything.
We've joked on the podcastbefore in a live sale wherever
Dylan will say, Oh, Dylan'shere, Dylan's here.
(37:10):
Come here.
You need to pull up a chair.
He doesn't have it a minute.
Yeah.
So, Steven, if you do a story oryou're talking in general.
I'm short enough.
If you're talking in general,and you can say, Steven never
cooks, or Steven never uses hiskitchen.
(37:32):
And he immediately says, Yes, Ido.
Yes, we do, doesn't he?
Yes.
He always does.
So Dylan, yesterday or the daybefore, was they were at the
grocery store and you weresaying something about getting
groceries, even though we nevercook or use our kitchen.
And then immediately, ears overhere butts in, yes, we do.
(37:54):
So I said, we got to break downthe situation here.
There's a psychology here thatSteven feels the need to defend
that you use your kitchen whenyou don't.
I mean, when you get food fromsomewhere and you save it and
you heat it up the next day inthe microwave, that is not using
(38:15):
your kitchen.
Using your kitchen is likegetting out the pots and pans
and cooking.
So I think And I do that liketwice a year.
Okay, twice a year.
That's like I go to the MarriottMarquee in Atlanta twice a year
for market and stay for a week.
I don't own a room there.
(38:37):
You don't use your kitchen.
No, it ain't the same.
So I kinda so I messaged Dylanon Instagram and I was like, we
gotta get to the bottom of this.
So I guess Dylan told Steven,and then Steven was like, Dylan
told me what you said.
So we have decided well, I havedecided reading into it, so then
(39:00):
we can let you defend yourself.
I'm not good at defending.
No, no, it isn't.
Yeah, you can read into ithowever you want.
So I've decided that because youhave a nice kitchen and a nice
home and you've been successfulfrom where you started out and
were brought up.
We've talked about all thathistory here, you feel guilty
(39:24):
for not using the kitchen thatyou do have.
Or you feel guilty because likeyou're probably spending money
on takeout and you should be athome cooking.
SPEAKER_01 (39:37):
That's a big one.
SPEAKER_03 (39:38):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (39:39):
So that's that's a big, it's it's the guilt, it's
the guilt that I have a greatkitchen.
Yeah.
And I was not raised to wastemoney like that on food.
Um you eat at home.
Yeah.
Now we do eat at home.
I'm not saying we cook.
(39:59):
Yeah.
We eat, always eat at least twomeals.
At home.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You eat at home.
SPEAKER_03 (40:06):
You snack.
SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
Yeah, yogurt, that kind of stuff, coffee, yogurt,
you know, small stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (40:12):
It's not a meal.
SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
Yeah.
I didn't say I said we eat.
I'm not saying that's cooking.
Yeah.
I'm just saying we eat like inone meal out.
Yeah.
We use our kitchen, but it'slike not to cook.
Yeah.
It's like we buy food, bring ithome, set it up there, and then
eat it.
SPEAKER_03 (40:32):
Yeah.
But like a lot of empty nestersare doing.
Like a lot of other people aredoing this.
So that's why, and like you'llget a lot of women who are like,
I don't cook for my husband, orlike, we don't cook.
So it's just interesting thatyou feel the need to defend
yourself like you do.
SPEAKER_01 (40:51):
There's this like fantasy or lie that you're
because I feel like I should beusing my beautiful kitchen and
saving money.
But you don't why, but why feelguilty?
SPEAKER_03 (41:05):
It's a scar.
So we've had this conversationon other things as well, because
Steven, like, we've talked aboutone time you lost weight, he
would not go buy new clothes.
He would just put on 10 layersof clothes because he's like,
well, I don't need to spend themoney on.
SPEAKER_01 (41:21):
I'm like, it it most most of my dysfunction, this is
a fact.
Most of my dysfunction goes backto um growing up without.
Right.
And not wanting, not want, notwanting to waste or feeling
guilty.
(41:42):
Right.
So the there's been new, well,hold on.
There's been, and you know, nowI'm looking and starting to plan
a kitchen remote.
Right.
So there's a whole there's awhole level of guilt with this
because I'm ordering a La Cornurange from France.
(42:02):
That's gonna sit in there andget turned on once a year.
And that is fine.
That's fine because you knowwhat?
I want that damn La Cornuerange.
That's right.
SPEAKER_03 (42:12):
So my thing is we need to let it go.
You have you've earned this.
You had a career, you built thatup.
It's not like you stole themoney.
SPEAKER_01 (42:24):
But I kind of do.
Okay, on a fun standpoint,listen, yeah.
On a fun standpoint, when youwhen you buy the LaCorneux
range, you get cooking classesfrom You're not gonna do that.
I think that would be fun.
You do it.
It would if we do remotely forit.
SPEAKER_03 (42:43):
The point is don't justify it.
You have been.
I do justify everything.
He has to justify everything.
You've made money, you'resuccessful, you don't have
anyone to, you don't have kidsto support.
You can do what you want to withyour money.
And my thing from the outside isenjoy it.
Buy the freaking oven and let itsit there and don't ever turn it
(43:05):
on.
SPEAKER_01 (43:05):
I know.
And it's but why I feel guiltyof that.
I know, but you if you remember,like way back when I've always
gone, we could go any to anystore anywhere, and I you you'll
remember I used to put all kindsof things in the cart.
Oh you would put things in thecart.
Oh you would get to thecheckout.
(43:25):
His cart's empty.
Mine's full.
I put it all back.
I'm going around shopping.
You would say, Where's yourstuff?
And you'd say, I'd say, I don'tneed it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (43:36):
Isn't that messed up?
Yeah.
But you were saying also how,because we've talked about it on
here, you have two cars.
So three cars among two people.
It's fine.
Get 50 cars.
Fill up the parking lot.
What does it matter?
It doesn't matter.
It's your money spend it on whatyou want.
But you were saying how you werein a meeting and someone said,
Well, how many cars do you have?
(43:56):
Yeah, well, I had driven adifferent car.
SPEAKER_01 (43:59):
I didn't notice it.
Yeah.
And um, you know, I'm just thereand they and somebody came in
and said, Is that your Mercedesor whatever it was?
And I was like, Yeah.
And they were like, Well, I justsaw you driving a Range Rover.
How many cars do you have?
And did it like in front of like40 people?
(44:22):
Yeah.
And my face turned red.
Yeah.
And he got embarrassed.
I'd be like, as many as I want.
And luckily it was funny becausea friend of mine was there and
she saw that I was embarrassed.
And she said, Cause he can,that's fine.
Yeah.
And I was like, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (44:43):
So whether you're listening or you're Steven, if
you are successful, andsuccessful is so different to
everyone.
My successful is different fromyour successful.
And yours is different fromother people's, and mine's
different from other people's.
So enjoy what everybody doessay.
(45:05):
Like you and I've talked aboutthis.
Like I'm not going to have twocars like that because I don't
like cars enough.
It's not your thing.
It's not my thing.
I'm not going to put in a Loupoo poo li poo-poo oven because
my well, Fam Song's a piece ofshit.
But whirlpool will be just asgood.
Whatever, I don't know, whateveroven it is.
(45:26):
No, I don't mind.
I mean, I would put in a niceone, but it doesn't have to be
that because it's not going todo anything for me.
SPEAKER_01 (45:32):
Well, it w yeah, and I mean, it I mean, it it's true.
You know what I'm saying?
And it's funny because umeverybody's level of success is
so different.
Like I told you, like I knowpeople that what they want to do
is cash in all their money, sellall of their homes, everything,
(45:57):
and live somewhere remotely forthe rest of their life.
Right.
And that's their success.
Would be successful.
SPEAKER_03 (46:06):
That's how they and some people's is about how much
money they can have saved up fortheir kids, which I don't know
why that like that's that'sbizarre to me, but that is some
people's goal mentality andsuccess.
Mine is mine that I tell Stevenis we're gonna be in the same
home pissing in the samediapers, getting the same
(46:28):
service.
I'm gonna sit in mine the samelength you're gonna sit in here.
SPEAKER_00 (46:32):
You better be real nice to me.
SPEAKER_03 (46:35):
We're all counting on dealing.
And here's he's so much youngerthan us.
SPEAKER_01 (46:39):
Here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
At the end of the day, allanyone needs, all we need is
enough.
SPEAKER_03 (46:49):
But everybody's enough is different.
Everyone's enough is different,everyone's success is different,
but you should never feel guiltyin what you're able to
accomplish because where youspend and put your money is
different than what someonewould spend and put their money
in.
SPEAKER_01 (47:07):
And part of the reason my mentality is like that
is my mother's parents, that wastheir um, that was their control
over the family.
Was money?
Guilt.
Oh, guilt.
Guilt and money.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (47:24):
So everything in my life.
We're breaking in.
We're back to layer.
SPEAKER_01 (47:29):
Everything in my life was centered around, you
know, you have you save money,you hoard money, you do not
spend it, you do not enjoy it.
And if you do, damn you.
Well, all those people are gone.
SPEAKER_03 (47:42):
So maybe you should just enjoy it.
SPEAKER_01 (47:44):
Well, and I'm not sure.
There was a big lesson learnedin that with my the way my whole
family.
SPEAKER_03 (47:49):
Well, and I've told you robbed me.
And I think we've talked aboutthis on here kind of before.
Like, if you get a new watch,Steven, instead of being like,
oh my gosh, I got this new watchand being proud of the
accomplishment, he for two weeksis talking about.
I need to return it, I shouldn'thave got it.
(48:09):
Or justifying, well, I did getthis one, and I could sell it
for more than I pay.
I could sell it for more than Ipaid.
I got a deal, so I could makeand I'm like, well, you're not
gonna sell it, so why are wetalking about it?
SPEAKER_01 (48:24):
I think all that stems, honestly, since we've
been talking through it, I thinkall that stems from my
grandparents.
I know that sounds wild.
I'm not to I'm not bashing them.
They were wonderful people.
But they didn't want you toenjoy anything.
Yeah, nothing was to be enjoyed.
Well, you need to enjoy it.
SPEAKER_04 (48:44):
I do.
SPEAKER_03 (48:45):
I do a good job at enjoying shit a lot more than I.
Because if you fall over dead,someone's gonna enjoy it.
They're gonna enjoy it a lotmore than you did.
SPEAKER_04 (48:55):
You write.
SPEAKER_01 (48:57):
And not feel guilty about it.
SPEAKER_04 (48:59):
They're gonna feel guilty.
They're gonna be look what Igot!
SPEAKER_01 (49:04):
That's one thing that seriously, I mean, on a
serious note, um, because theway my family ended up treating
me.
Right.
And, you know, essentiallyrobbed me.
And so now I'm like, this isalso gross to me.
(49:25):
So I've loosened up, you have toadmit, in the past.
You've gotten much better.
SPEAKER_03 (49:29):
Yeah, in the past, the kitchen is the thing.
Because okay, the next thing,y'all are witnessing this here.
He will get that oven andrenovate his kitchen, which
you're gonna feel guilty about.
You'll feel guilty forrenovating the kitchen because
you're gonna be like, well, whydid I spend money on the kitchen
and we don't really use it orwhatever?
(49:50):
And you'll be afraid someone'sgonna judge you for that.
And it's like, what does itmatter?
Take your kitchen out, put itin, put two kitchens in.
Put three.
It doesn't matter.
Just say I'll have a kitchenevery week.
I just like kitchens.
I'm putting a kitchen in everyroom.
What does it matter?
It's your place.
Yeah.
I know.
Anyway, that's that's but it isfunny though when I So I was
(50:14):
gonna say he's gonna get thisoven and I'll make a joke.
Well, y'all, you never use thatfancy oven, and he'll be like,
Yes, we do.
Yes, we do.
SPEAKER_01 (50:21):
Yes, we do.
I you just wait.
I'm gonna turn I'm gonna be likeJulia Child's in there.
SPEAKER_03 (50:26):
I'm gonna be like chicken.
I hope you take these lessonsand you should start an
Instagram influencer cookingaccount.
Cooking on your live proofpoo-poo.
SPEAKER_01 (50:40):
Yeah, be like, go, I should go through Julia Child's
cookbook, one thing at a time.
SPEAKER_02 (50:46):
One page at a time.
SPEAKER_03 (50:46):
I'm gonna keep on a chicken.
The problem with that is he'dhave to hire someone to clean up
behind him because he ain'tgonna have his kitchen in a
mess.
That's the other side of it,too, though.
SPEAKER_01 (50:58):
That is if you've noticed, I cook whenever he's
here.
So he doesn't have to see themess.
That's all cleaned up.
Yeah.
It's all pretty.
But oh.
I went home and I had fresh,warm applesauce.
SPEAKER_03 (51:11):
But before you got home, I bet you saw on Instagram
that Dylan was makingapplesauce.
Let me tell you how this went.
He saw on Instagram that Dylanwas making applesauce while we
were here doing a live sale.
You immediately called him andsaid, Oh, you were making
applesauce?
And he was like, Yeah, I justfinished.
Did you get everything cleanedup?
(51:33):
That shit better be cleaned upwhen I get home.
Is that what he said?
No, I didn't.
Not this time.
But normally, yes, that's thereaction.
Okay, that is the reaction.
There we go.
Y'all can both just kiss it.
It's funny.
I'm glad we were able to dothis.
It is.
We'll see next time.
Okay.
I got lots of things to work on,I'm sure.
(51:54):
Oh, God.
Can you imagine what we reallyhave?
I know.
We gotta keep some things asecret.
SPEAKER_00 (52:00):
Seriously.
SPEAKER_03 (52:01):
All right, we gotta wrap this up because we gotta do
a lot sale.
Bye.
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(52:24):
one.
Otherwise, I had a bigbreakfast.
SPEAKER_01 (52:27):
This was actually turned into a legit therapy
session.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (52:31):
So if you're listening, if you need the same
therapy session, I can do good.
I can do it like this.
SPEAKER_01 (52:38):
But this is taking you like going on 17 years, so
we normally get very defensive.
SPEAKER_03 (52:44):
Yes, we do use it.
Yes, we do.
SPEAKER_01 (52:49):
Listen, I know.
I know that I'm a case study inthe psychology.
SPEAKER_03 (52:56):
I could pull out anything.
Oh, you have a fancy Kitchen Amixer.
You don't ever use it.
I've never used it.
That is a breakthrough momentright there.
Because before today, you wouldhave said, yes, I do.
And I'd have been like No, Iwouldn't have lied.
SPEAKER_01 (53:11):
I've never used, well, I'm going to.
No, it's still in the box.
Isn't that terrible?
SPEAKER_03 (53:18):
No.
It's there if you want it.
And if not, not.
It's fun.
It'd be fun.
Yeah.
Bye, y'all.
Have a great week.
We'll see you next week.
Oh fuck a lot, Big Mama.
SPEAKER_03 (00:06):
I don't even know what the right three.
But all I know is time foranother episode of Who's
Driving.
Welcome to Who's Driving.
I'm West McMurdo.
And I'm Stephen Murray.
SPEAKER_01 (00:17):
We're Two Best Friends and Entrepreneurs.
SPEAKER_03 (00:19):
Who's Driving is an entertaining look into the
behind the scenes of our livespring.
SPEAKER_01 (00:24):
These are the stories we share and topics we
discussed.
Two best friends would along theway.
SPEAKER_03 (00:30):
Along the way, we'll check in with friends and offer
a wide range of informativetopics centered around running
small businesses, social media,and also making home cars.
SPEAKER_01 (00:38):
Buckle up and enjoy the ride.
SPEAKER_00 (00:40):
You never know who's driving or where we're headed.
SPEAKER_03 (00:43):
All we know is it's always a fun ride.
Can you talk now?
You got what you're talkingabout.
Give me some of that.
We got in these amazing ricecrispies, gourmet rice crispies
at the warehouse.
Dylan dug into one and broughtus half of it.
By the way, we are recordingremotely at the warehouse, so if
(01:05):
the sounds a little funky,echoey, you know, you just gotta
go with the flow.
We are not professionals.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
And we're never gonna be.
I don't even know how we'regetting this one.
We were I feel like anindentured servant.
We may not even be recording.
SPEAKER_03 (01:24):
So last week we ended up skipping the episode
unintentionally again, butStephen when um Stephen and
Dylan, y'all were at the highpoint furniture market.
Yeah.
We were gonna record on the wayhome, but it was raining and it
got dark.
It was turbal, y'all.
SPEAKER_01 (01:40):
It was it was one of those where people were stopping
and it was like so it was not agood situation.
SPEAKER_03 (01:52):
And then we've had a busy week and a busy so-and-so,
and it's a busy, busy becausewe're in the middle of the busy
season, but we're happy aboutthat.
So I want to, since we didn'tget to do last week's, I want to
recap market.
And you know, I didn't go tomarket.
This is the first high pointmarket I've missed without you
and I missed one together, aplanned one, one time.
(02:15):
Um, but just like didn't go.
SPEAKER_01 (02:19):
And I honestly thought that it was gonna be
more of a vacation because Iwasn't there.
Yeah, and you and I really splitup.
We really don't do that markettogether anyway.
But I was like, oh, it's gonnabe nice.
I don't have to hear your mouth.
SPEAKER_03 (02:38):
I don't have to advise this is a live.
SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
I thought I I won't have to keep up with you.
SPEAKER_03 (02:44):
You miss you don't do any of that anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
I won't have to like meet up with you to do a live or
anything.
But you know what I discovered?
You missed it.
I do it to myself.
That's right.
You're the problem because see,you ended up.
I couldn't be happy justshopping.
I had to go figure findsomething to do.
(03:07):
And to jump on and did a live.
It's not me.
I know.
It's Nick.
It's us.
It's us.
Um but it was a good market.
I did kind of miss you in a way,but honestly, that is the one
market we do not do together.
All we do are wives together.
SPEAKER_03 (03:23):
Yeah, so normally Steven's hunting for the larger
furniture pieces and usuallydesign clients like.
And I run around and find theaccessories.
I come in and check on you, andyou'll be like, Oh, I've got
this and this.
And I'm like, love it, love it,don't care.
(03:45):
We'll do like the upholsterytogether or something like that.
But um, it wasn't a big dealbecause the stuff I would
normally order, we were in agood place, so it was fine.
So um tell us then about market.
SPEAKER_00 (04:01):
Market?
What trends are you seeing?
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (04:07):
Okay, I'll do first major colors.
There's two.
The number one hottest color ofevery shade known to man is
green.
SPEAKER_03 (04:21):
I was gonna say it's gotta be green, I'm guessing.
SPEAKER_01 (04:23):
And the number two is uh mostly navy blue.
Blue is hotter than ever.
And it blue took so long to getto Greenville.
SPEAKER_03 (04:37):
You know, it's been blue for a long time.
SPEAKER_01 (04:40):
Years things are getting to Greenville a little
quicker now.
Yeah.
Well, we're getting more of amix of people.
Yeah.
They it used to be, we used tobe at least five years behind
trends in Greenville.
You know, I think the smaller,more removed you are.
But those were two of thebiggest color trends, animal
(05:02):
prints on everything.
SPEAKER_03 (05:05):
I've been talking about that for a couple of
seasons.
On everything.
SPEAKER_01 (05:09):
Um rugs, furniture, you name it.
And I can get into that.
And taxidermy.
Yes.
Taxidermy has moved in, youknow.
I have always been in ataxidermy.
Judge me, whatever.
I don't really care.
Um, I love it.
(05:29):
I don't hunt.
I do not, I do, I can't kill ananimal.
I do not think there's anythingwrong with killing an animal if
you're gonna eat.
I don't really like it forsport, personally.
But I love them.
It brings nature in, especiallywhen you live in a condo in the
city.
To me, growing up on a farm inthe country, I want to feel a
(05:52):
little bit of that.
So I love that trend.
Um, still your metals, yourantique brass, huge.
Anything warm is waste.
Anything warm.
Um, there's a couple of trendsthat are not my bag.
And see, I'm that person, Iresist some trends.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
I'm that way with new cars.
SPEAKER_03 (06:15):
Well, and you gotta remember that's what they are.
And some trends they diequicker.
They die quicker than others.
This one is sticking around.
SPEAKER_01 (06:24):
Pattern shades.
They are like window shades?
No, only lamps shades.
They are hot.
SPEAKER_04 (06:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (06:37):
The other thing are that I do not care for, and this
is a Steven personal thing.
I do not care for pleatedshades.
Oh, yeah.
And it's a practical, theycollect dust.
That's why I don't like them.
It's not, I think they're prettywhen they're clean and new, but
they they don't stay that way.
(06:58):
Yeah.
Um, that's huge.
Um anything, anything wornpatterned on sofas.
Yeah.
Personally, for my clients, Iwill always say, do not do a
patterned sofa.
I did one patterned sofa in mylife, and I wanted, I spent a
(07:19):
lot of money on it.
And I was so sick of that damnthing in two years, I wanted to
set fire to it.
SPEAKER_03 (07:27):
When I moved, it stayed.
And we've always told people atour retail store, if you want a
pattern, buy it in your chairs.
Buy it in your throw pillows.
Yeah.
Keep your sofa solid becausethat is something you're
typically going to keep 10 yearsor longer.
SPEAKER_01 (07:43):
It's the most money.
And then don't do as wild of aprint or bold on your chair,
because that's your second mostexpensive.
Do your do your bold out therethings in your pillows.
Or a rug.
Yeah.
Some people.
SPEAKER_04 (07:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
So uh those were those were to me were the
biggest trends that it reallyjumped out at me.
Yeah.
And what was interesting to me,antiques, antiques, antiques,
antiques, antiques are so.
We've been calling this for atleast two and a half years now.
They are so hot things that Ihave in my home.
(08:22):
I promise you I could sell tentimes what I paid.
SPEAKER_03 (08:27):
Literally.
And you were saying even some ofour vendors have said they're
now introducing, which we alsotalked about in previous
episodes.
We were seeing vendors have oneor two antique inspired replica
type pieces.
And then you said one of ourvendors is coming out with a
line of antique replicas.
(08:49):
Yes.
That's how hot like antique.
SPEAKER_01 (08:51):
And one of our high-end designers, uh, they're
actually going to Europe, buyingand then replicating it.
No, they're buying antiques,putting it in their showrooms,
and they're selling.
Oh, they're just selling theantiques.
The one off.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You buy that one.
They ain't cheap.
SPEAKER_03 (09:09):
One.
But nothing like it is.
It's crazy how that's comingback around.
The like antiques.
SPEAKER_01 (09:16):
I mean, I used to be able to buy stuff.
SPEAKER_03 (09:19):
It's just like though it's a little bit
different style.
It's more of your like Europeaninspired antiques.
SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
Yeah, it's not as much your American antiques.
It's your definitely yourEnglish English and French for
the most part.
Yeah.
Um, the one thing that isdifferent about the antiques and
the trend is there's a lot ofbleached oak, which I happen to
(09:50):
like.
I really like my, I really likemy really dark walnut uh age
pieces, but I also kind of getinto that bleach.
I have both.
I like both of them.
Yeah, I do too.
I really want them bleached orreally dark.
I really don't like personally.
You don't want that in betweenin that cherry kind of tone or
(10:12):
any of that.
But it's so interesting in justhow much they cost.
Mirrors, uh, antique mirrors,super hot, crazy expensive.
Raise, insanely expensive.
And the older, older they are,you know, the Parisian ones,
it's just insane.
Yeah.
(10:32):
It is insane.
The good thing is, is those ofus that have always collected
have the pieces.
We have them.
You're back on track.
But you really, it's hard now toum to go out and match that
trend without spending a lot ofmoney.
Yeah.
And I really like that.
(10:53):
I like that whole look anyway.
I personally, I don't want allnew in a home.
I like layers.
SPEAKER_03 (11:01):
It makes it home.
It makes it feel homey when youadd some new, you add some
antiques, you layer in this,layer in that.
It creates your style.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:12):
Grandma's cabinet.
You know, I can walk through myhome and say, that was my
great-grandmother's.
That was my grandmother's.
That was here.
I found this one there.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:21):
This one's from our store.
SPEAKER_01 (11:22):
Literally, I mean, literally, literally, you can I
can walk through and say, I gotthat and a yard sale for$15.
SPEAKER_03 (11:31):
Yeah.
Literally, I can't.
This is new from our home store.
Yeah.
Like you have the whole mix inthere.
But that's what makes ituniquely yours in your home in
your style.
You didn't try to, you didn't gopick out a set somewhere, or you
didn't go too antique heavyeither.
SPEAKER_01 (11:48):
No, no.
I like a good mix.
And um, I mean, honestly, Iwould really, I could easily go
antique heavy.
Yeah.
But I won't always have thatlevel of comfort.
Right.
And I want everything to bepractical and you and you can
use it.
Yeah.
You don't want to sit down on awobbly chair that don't sit on
(12:10):
that dining chair because it'sgonna fall apart.
If you come in my home, there isnothing that you can't stand on,
sit on, or use.
SPEAKER_03 (12:18):
That's true.
But he will be right behind you,fluffing, straightening.
I didn't say that.
SPEAKER_01 (12:24):
But there's nothing that's so rickety or so precious
that you can't sit on it, useit, fart on it, whatever you
need to do.
Oh my God.
I mean, I don't want that.
Yeah.
And like some rugs, I go, youknow, shopping for clients.
And listen, there's a rug foreverybody's budget, just like a
(12:46):
haircut, just like a lamp.
Everybody has a differentbudget.
I am not going to spend what acar costs personally on a rug.
Nope.
SPEAKER_03 (13:00):
Not gonna do it.
But you know, we've talked aboutthat before in previous
podcasts.
Maybe you're in the works ofreworking.
If you want a rug like thatthat's expensive, get a less
expensive and then layer yourstatement rug on top.
And then you can downsize.
You don't have to have a 10 by15 rug.
(13:22):
That can be your base, lessexpensive rug.
And then you can get one withthe cool pattern that's the
antique.
SPEAKER_01 (13:28):
Or if you don't use your dining room, let's face it,
a lot of people do not use theirdining rooms.
They're there for looks.
Put that expensive rug in therewhere it's not going to get
ruined.
If you use your dining roomevery day, I have friends that
use their dining room every day.
That's where their family eats.
Why the hell would you put a$50,000 rug in there?
(13:52):
I mean, I ain't putting a$50,000rug anywhere.
Not in my house.
SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
It would have chicken shit, donkey shit,
rubbed all in it.
That's funny.
Speaking of that, is that allthe is that does that hit your
trends?
SPEAKER_01 (14:08):
Yeah, it was a really good market.
I mean, it was um, I didn't getany like, you know, you go to
some and you don't, you're like,I don't even have a feeling.
I don't have a good feeling, abad it was just a blah.
It was a good market.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (14:24):
I think it is funny backing up like you were saying,
like taxidermy is popular andthat sort of thing.
And the live sale that youjumped on and did was turtle
shells, which I have in mydining room, you've had in your
house, um, and antler mounts.
Which we've sold for years.
And we've even done this livesale before, and we it always
says fine.
(14:45):
It does okay.
It's yeah, it's like a 10-minutelive sale.
Um, here, do y'all want theseantlers because you've seen them
in our house or the turtleshells?
But we sell some.
We sell some, and it's you know,it's 10 minutes in and out.
It's fine.
The way they bought them thistime, though.
Totally different.
Like night and day.
SPEAKER_01 (15:06):
Bought everything we damn had.
Yeah.
Like to the point where I'm likehaving to steal from what I
bought for the store to which Iwas shocked.
I mean, I guess it showed youhow it's on trend.
SPEAKER_03 (15:19):
How it's on trend, um, and top of the trend now.
And you were saying the guy waslike saying how so.
SPEAKER_01 (15:27):
Yeah, we've been buying from this same vendor,
and I was like, you know, I Ilove to talk to everybody about
business and how they gotstarted.
SPEAKER_03 (15:37):
To me, it's he's got such a little niche there's
market turtle shells, antlers,loose antlers, like sheds,
mounts, and mounts.
SPEAKER_01 (15:48):
They're all European.
So I'm like, and I ended upspending way too much time with
this guy, very nice guy.
And I'm like, how in the helldid you get it?
SPEAKER_03 (16:00):
Because he's been doing it for years.
Yeah.
I mean, since we've been goingthere, so we've been going for
more than 10 years.
Yeah, years.
He's been doing that.
We've been buying from him.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
I said, How in the hell?
Like, how did you end up andlike everything else?
It wasn't planned.
It just happened.
Yeah.
Um, but it was interestingbecause he said now it is super,
super on trend.
And even like the quantitiesthat he can get in Europe are
(16:34):
getting smaller.
Yeah.
Like it is getting harder andharder and harder.
So the price is going to go up,up, up, up.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (16:45):
Well, that's the way it goes.
You know what something else,and again, like those things
never go out of style.
Certain things, like antiques,people are being like, I've had
antiques.
It doesn't go out of style.
We're talking about what's hot.
And you got to realize there'sdifferent generations that come
on every time.
So there's new people decoratingtheir house that maybe never did
(17:08):
have antiques when you'resitting over here going, well,
that ain't nothing new.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
And there's a lot of baby boomers that hate antiques.
SPEAKER_03 (17:16):
Right, because they inherited them.
Or they grew up with them, andit's not something.
SPEAKER_01 (17:22):
Um, like my grandparents.
Yeah.
My my my parents' parentsthought I was nuts.
Buying antiques and antiquerugs, especially.
I would get so much, you know,my one grand mom's mom.
Uh-huh.
She came to my house, and let mejust tell you, my house was
(17:44):
pretty.
We're talking my old house.
It was a very house you pads.
But it was very pretty, and itwas very uh layered, very well
done, if I do say so myself.
But she came in and she sat inmy dining room and she looked
down, and that was ahundred-year-old rug in there.
Beautiful.
(18:05):
And she said, I just do not knowwhy in the world you want to
buy, pay all this money forthese wore-out damn rugs.
I wouldn't have this in myhouse.
I grew up, this was theconversation.
I grew up with these threadbarren rugs with I why would you
(18:28):
have this?
You can afford new rugs.
I was like, because I likethese.
Right.
I like these vegetable-dyed,worn-out rugs.
SPEAKER_03 (18:37):
They look warm and used and homey.
But what I was gonna say is thisalso relates back and is like
cow hides.
When we started in 2013, thehome store, we bought cow hides
by like, and again, they're notout of style, and they're
actually, I feel like, comingback to like we've already rode
(18:57):
the wave.
Like we would sell like cowhides every day.
Like we had stacks of, we wouldjust sell cop, like we could not
keep them.
And then it was like we wouldsell one occasionally, like we
would go and buy some, and thenand now I feel like going back
to the animal print, you'restarting to see more kind of of
that again.
And so it's just funny how thetrends come and go, but it
(19:20):
doesn't mean you're out ofstyle.
SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
No, it's just on what is hot for a trend, and it
changes.
But that was interesting, and uhjust watching the activity
around those things is likecrazy.
SPEAKER_03 (19:35):
And it's funny that we've been selling those.
We've had those in our store,every market we've bought from
them since 2013.
SPEAKER_01 (19:44):
And we now interesting, I don't know if we
talked about this.
One of our rug vendors that webought for forever since the
beginning, they now have asection of antique
one-of-a-cons.
Rugs.
Rugs.
Oh.
SPEAKER_03 (20:02):
So it is across all industries, like rugs and
furniture.
It's across everywhere.
Yeah.
Like you see that it's veryinteresting.
Well, well, while you were gone,or actually the day you were
leaving, or the day before, andthis was kind of one of the
things that made me go, maybe Ishouldn't go to High Point
Market.
Was a legitimate reason.
(20:24):
Cleo or donkey, my donkey, nothis.
Not mine.
Um Cleo had her baby.
SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
You haven't seen it yet.
I won't.
I'm so excited.
I know.
I've been so I'm not sure.
I know we haven't really talkedabout it.
SPEAKER_03 (20:39):
I think you mentioned it maybe on here.
Maybe not.
I don't know.
I was a little nervous.
Yeah, because I was like, and Ididn't show it on Instagram.
So a lot of people were like,Well, did you know she was
pregnant?
And I'm like, Yes, I didn't.
I mean, she was as big as thistable.
But and they're pregnant for ayear.
Yeah, it takes 12 months.
A lot of people were surprisedto find that out.
It's the two period no for likesix.
(21:01):
Yeah.
Um, and then you're like, theonly thing I knew is I had seen
the deed happening, and I couldnot remember.
I don't know why I didn't writeit down, but I either I said
it's either Halloween or it'sThanksgiving.
It was one of those, and Ithought, oh, I'll remember.
And I was like, oh, I'llremember, you know, by the
(21:23):
summertime, if I can tell she'spregnant, I will know it's
Halloween or Thanksgiving.
Okay, well, I have a questionabout this because we haven't
discussed this.
SPEAKER_01 (21:32):
Oh God.
SPEAKER_03 (21:33):
No, it was she enjoying it?
Um, I mean, I don't think shedidn't smoke a cigarette after.
SPEAKER_01 (21:42):
She didn't seem like she didn't seem like she was
being violated.
No.
SPEAKER_03 (21:46):
Oh no, oh no, no.
When she it when she um is readyfor it, she chases Romeo down.
SPEAKER_02 (21:57):
She she flaunts it.
She's like, come to me, bigdaddy.
Really?
Oh yeah.
She will bite at it.
Good.
SPEAKER_03 (22:05):
She will back up in his face.
Like give it to you.
Yeah, she will back up in hisface and actually.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's not like, no, she hasthe control.
Yeah, she she she flirts withhim.
So I knew that it was gonna bearound Halloween or
Thanksgiving, and I couldn'tremember.
(22:26):
And I told you that, and youwere like, oh hell, she's gonna
have that baby when we're athigh point furniture market, and
Daniel's gonna be here on thefarm.
Nervous breakdown.
SPEAKER_01 (22:35):
Here on the farm.
Daniel is really good with theplants and being Mr.
Plant Farmer.
Not animal farmer.
He's not an animal farmer.
No, and honestly, I'm justputting this out there.
I can handle a lot.
I can milk a cow.
I could handle doing a lot ofthings.
(22:56):
Yeah.
I I I don't want any part ofthat.
Of the birds.
I just get too much.
SPEAKER_03 (23:03):
That wouldn't have bothered me.
I was more nervous about like,oh, if something goes wrong, you
know, that sort of thing.
But um the funny thing is, so Ihad been watching her.
I'm like, okay, she's gettingcloser.
There were some checks I coulddo and like whatever.
Um and so I was like, she'sgetting closer.
Well, one night.
SPEAKER_01 (23:22):
Y'all don't even want to know about those checks.
SPEAKER_03 (23:24):
One night, um, you know, I looked at her and I
tried to pay attention.
Like, does she look the same?
Has it dropped?
Has it made whatever?
And so the next morning her milkhad come in.
Like her teeth were big.
And I was like, oh, thathappened overnight.
So that day I separated.
I was like, okay, we're gettingvery close.
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So I separated her into her ownarea.
And then it wasn't that night,but the next night is when she
had the baby.
SPEAKER_01 (23:51):
And I want to tell our listeners, not in a vulgar
way.
Not in a vulgar way, becauseit's not vulgar, it's just the
way you do it.
It's that it's horses to.
Um one of the checks that youcan do to see when they're
getting close is you pull theirvagina open and you see what
(24:16):
color it is.
SPEAKER_03 (24:18):
Yes.
If it's pink, it's not time, butit gets brighter red because of
all the blood flow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, it's fine.
It's fine.
It is a little look, and it'sfine.
Um, but Daniel was like, dang,you got that right.
(24:39):
Like you hit that right on thehead.
I said, I know, look at me go.
SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
Um you know, and this is this is a fun fact.
Yeah.
All my years growing up.
I mean, I grew up more farmythan you did.
SPEAKER_03 (24:54):
Yeah, because we didn't you didn't have like we
grew up in the farm area, butyou didn't have farmers.
SPEAKER_01 (25:00):
Animals.
SPEAKER_03 (25:01):
You had we had pet animal, that particular.
I've never watched an animal beborn.
Oh, really?
I can remember if I have reallyeither.
Well, and I didn't with this oneeither.
So I was on my way to here tothe warehouse to do a live sale.
And so I went out and fed herand checked everything, and she
(25:21):
didn't sing anything crazy.
And that was at like 3:30 in theafternoon.
And she was eating, and I waslike, okay, I'll check on.
So left, came here, did a livesale, you know, went to like 10
or something.
I don't know.
But I think that one I didn'tget home until like 10:30, 1045.
So I went in, hadn't had dinneryet, ate dinner, and then I was
(25:42):
like, let me, I was about to goto bed.
It was like midnight.
And I was like, let me go makesure nothing's going on with
Cleo, because a lot of timesthey say they will naturally,
naturally have them at nightbecause of like predators and
stuff, like they can hide alittle bit.
Well, I went out there with myflashlight, and there they were,
(26:04):
both of them.
It was standing up.
He was dry, he was dry, fluffy,ready to go.
Like nothing had happened.
No, she was fine.
Like, hey.
Isn't that amazing?
And she, I'm glad she was like,she took to it, you know, and
let it nurse and everything likethat.
And I didn't have to doanything.
I mean, it was.
She was cleaned up.
SPEAKER_04 (26:23):
He was the miracle of life.
It is.
SPEAKER_03 (26:25):
I mean, so that was that was my most stressful part
leading up to it.
It was like, if I have to getinvolved in something, like, I
don't know, one of my pullinghooks out and you know.
SPEAKER_01 (26:38):
I I do know at different times, different
family members had to help.
Right.
I know.
And I was like, eh.
SPEAKER_03 (26:48):
I wouldn't mind the like fluids and stuff.
You just kind of have to knowthough what you're doing, like
pulling.
So, but they they were fine.
Um, the next day I was worriedabout um one of her teeth seemed
like harder.
So I was worried about itgetting infected and stopped up
or whatever.
But so I called the vet and Ihad to go check her th her
(27:11):
temperature.
They were like, do you feelcomfortable checking her
temperature?
And I said, Well, I have adigital thermometer like I use
on myself.
Does that work?
And she's like, Yeah.
And I said, I'm guessing thisisn't going under the tongue.
She said, No.
You're gonna do it erectile.
(27:31):
So I thought, okay, let me justgo out here.
She was fine.
Um, and they were like, gonnacall in antibiotics because they
didn't have anyone that couldcome out.
And it was Friday, of course.
And then they called back andthey were like, she doesn't have
a fever.
You said they seem fine.
It may not have discovered thatside yet, because it's been less
(27:52):
than 24 hours, so it could justbe that, and then it works
itself out.
They were like, just try to milkit some.
So I just go out there and likemake sure it was not clogged up
and stuff, and then just milk ita little bit.
And it was fine.
And now they're happy.
That's great.
SPEAKER_01 (28:08):
So baby Milo.
It's a miracle, like, yeah, andyou know, but I mean, listen,
and do not do not text and say,Women, it's just a miracle.
What women do, what animals do,it's just amazing.
But you know, my grandmotherused to, when she had her four
(28:30):
children, she would work all dayin the field.
She, I know, I know one or two.
No, I think it was two children.
She had all four of them athome.
And she birthed, I know one, Ithink two, by herself.
Like there was no midwife there.
(28:52):
And I got this.
And she was back up and at it.
Like that was the way it was.
I know.
That's the way it was.
It was the way it was.
And you know, before I was, youknow, I'm very queasy about
stuff now.
I don't do blood, I don't doanything, which is kind of
comical because I did used tokill chickens.
Um but my first like study ofanatomy, because when I was
(29:15):
little, I was very curious abouteverything.
Not you.
I was.
SPEAKER_03 (29:21):
And I wasn't squeaming.
What's that, Mama?
I wasn't squeaming.
Mama, what's that?
What's that, Mama?
SPEAKER_01 (29:26):
When we would kill hogs, we would, you know, you
take the inerts and usually dumpthem like in the edge of out in
the middle of the day.
You'd be like, what is this?
I wanted to know all the organs.
Yeah.
That's when I like realized howeverything worked together.
(29:47):
Like, playing in it.
I was asking.
SPEAKER_03 (29:50):
Yeah, like, what is this?
Oh, this is the bladder.
Yeah.
But I wonder why like you wentfrom that to being squeamish.
I wonder what the like Probablythe trauma of my childhood.
SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
That's funny.
SPEAKER_03 (30:05):
But I wish that I wasn't like so like uh like I
just I don't like blood eat I ituh I d I don't like it.
It all depends on the situation.
Like the other week Daniel cuthis finger, he was doing
something dumb.
He was like, I was doingsomething so dumb.
And he cut it with the chainsaw,like the tip of his thumb.
(30:28):
He's like, I could have cut itoff.
He's like, I just it just kindof bounced and hit it like boom,
boom, boom, or whatever.
Um and he was like, I justwrapped it up.
I didn't even look at it, I justwrapped it up, put a band-aid on
it, it's fine, like or whatever.
And I was like, you gotta lookat it.
He's the same way.
He's like, no, I'm not.
And I said, okay, I will look atit.
Like that, I knew, like, I knewhis finger wasn't like cut off
(30:50):
or something.
So I didn't mind that.
And I'm like, I'm pretty surethe way you sound and you're not
that I'm I'm like, it probablytook chunks out of it.
So you're gonna have some littledents in your finger, but you'll
be fine and feel back in in alittle bit.
He was fine there.
But um the funny thing is backto so baby Milo is the donkey's
(31:11):
name.
That's what I'm going with,Milo.
Um, but if you don't know,because in my stories on
Instagram, I don't know why yesthe other day, it wasn't
yesterday, the day before, umsent off a little thing.
I guess because Romeo was in thebackground.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
But everything had been a little bit more um his
emotions had been a little bitmore volatile.
SPEAKER_03 (31:35):
Right.
Well, okay, so what happened?
So I was showing the baby, andyou could see Romeo in the
background, and he's in aseparate fence now, with he's in
the bigger pasture with thegoats, the emus.
They're all hanging outtogether.
And then baby Miles, Milo, um,and Cleo are over in their small
(31:55):
area and they have the littlebarn and stuff and all that.
So I was showing the baby.
Well, then Romeo, you know, helikes to yell anytime he sees
me.
Well, when people see that, theyalways think that's why I
stopped showing Romeo and theanimals in general, because
anytime, usually when I showthem or I'm walking out and
(32:18):
Romeo yells, and they're like,Oh, what's wrong with him?
Poor Romeo, he needs attentionor something, like he's being
abused, abused and ignored.
So yesterday when I did thatwith Cleo and the baby, and
Romeo was in the backgroundwhile he was at the fence
yelling or letting out a yell,and so me, oh, poor Romeo, so
(32:39):
neglected now.
You need to go give Romeo loveto.
And I'm like, this is a30-second story.
Like, you didn't see that Ialready did that with him.
I was just showing the baby, youknow what I'm saying?
And that shit just burns my assup.
I don't know why, because it'slike you don't know the story,
so why are you commenting likeI'm doing something wrong?
SPEAKER_01 (32:59):
And you don't know, you and you don't pe most people
don't understand the farm lifedynamics.
Yeah, how the there's a likeRomeo is the king of that farm.
SPEAKER_03 (33:14):
Farm a hero protector, he's a guardian.
Donkeys are guardians.
So anyway, he beats the shit outof them.
If they get out, they are introuble with Romeo.
Yeah.
So Romeo, if he were to get inwith put him in, because people
were like, why don't you justlet him in with Cleo and the
baby?
Well, he would kill the baby,and then he would try to breed
(33:38):
meaning to.
Well, no, he would mean to.
Well, I know, but it's kind oflike a hierarchy, like he wants
to be the king.
Yeah.
Who's this little baby?
I'm gonna kill it fast.
It's hard to think about, but itis true.
So um, that's why they'reseparated.
He's not neglected, and theyhave to stay because she's very,
you know, hormonal.
(33:58):
And they can, I think they havea really quick like cycle.
Um, right after, but you don'twant them to get pregnant, but
she could just because of like,you know, all the hormones and
milk and all that stuff.
So anyway, that's why they haveto stay separate.
Long story short.
Yeah.
It's kind of a big deal too.
SPEAKER_01 (34:16):
Um yeah, he Romeo.
In fact, we talked today and Iwas like, what's floating to
Romeo?
Yeah, yeah.
You can hear him.
SPEAKER_03 (34:24):
And I was like, because he sounded like he was
pissed.
Well, I had the door open.
But I was inside my house, likebut he was pissed.
Yeah.
He was pissed that a goat gotout.
SPEAKER_01 (34:33):
Yeah, a goat got out.
See, that's his that is hisplace.
He is in charge of all of thoseanimals.
And if they get out, he is mad,and you have to protect them
till he cools down.
He's like your dad with a reallybad temper.
You have pushed his last nerve.
And like, I've been there two orthree times when he's almost
(34:58):
killed a goat for getting out.
Like, we thought one was dead.
SPEAKER_03 (35:02):
He'll pick them up by the back of the neck and like
hang them in the air and thegoat's screaming.
It's disastrous.
SPEAKER_01 (35:10):
I have to go run through the field and like And
you would think the goat thatsee the goat that goats are not
very smart.
Because you would think aftergoing through that, they would
be like, I'm gonna keep my assin this pasture.
Oh no.
But they forget and then and hecalms down, like seriously.
He he's calmed down in 15minutes.
SPEAKER_03 (35:31):
Yeah, yeah.
Usually what I do the rightthing, I figured out, I don't
know how I figured this out, butif a goat gets out, I'll go get
food, and then when I put thegoat in, I'll immediately feed
them.
So it changes the concentrationand the dynamic, and then he
eats and he's fine.
But if the goat gets out and Idon't feed him, and I just put
the goat back in there, he'sgonna whip that goat's ass.
(35:53):
He's gonna chase that goat downand he is gonna teach it a
lesson.
SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
It is it is very real, it's actually pretty cool
though, the way nature works andthat.
Because it is like you you wereon my watch.
SPEAKER_03 (36:07):
Yeah, you little heifer.
That's right.
Okay, we don't have much time,but I have one more topic that I
want to get to because we're at35.
We're doing a live sale afterthis.
Yeah, we're working.
We're 8 p.m.
almost, and we got to do a livesale and finish up.
SPEAKER_01 (36:22):
It's November 3rd, and we do not get a day off
until like December 15th.
SPEAKER_03 (36:26):
Um, but I have a we're gonna have a therapy
session.
I kind of told you about this.
You did a little bit.
So Steven has maybe you at homecan relate to is Dylan still
here or T leave?
He may have left.
Dylan.
He left.
I guess he left.
(36:47):
So damn, I need Dylan to I needDylan to back me up, and I need
Dylan to be in on this.
I feel like this could be agroup therapy.
But Steven has this thing.
Um, specifically, I feel likeit's to your kitchen more than
anything.
We've joked on the podcastbefore in a live sale wherever
Dylan will say, Oh, Dylan'shere, Dylan's here.
(37:10):
Come here.
You need to pull up a chair.
He doesn't have it a minute.
Yeah.
So, Steven, if you do a story oryou're talking in general.
I'm short enough.
If you're talking in general,and you can say, Steven never
cooks, or Steven never uses hiskitchen.
(37:32):
And he immediately says, Yes, Ido.
Yes, we do, doesn't he?
Yes.
He always does.
So Dylan, yesterday or the daybefore, was they were at the
grocery store and you weresaying something about getting
groceries, even though we nevercook or use our kitchen.
And then immediately, ears overhere butts in, yes, we do.
(37:54):
So I said, we got to break downthe situation here.
There's a psychology here thatSteven feels the need to defend
that you use your kitchen whenyou don't.
I mean, when you get food fromsomewhere and you save it and
you heat it up the next day inthe microwave, that is not using
(38:15):
your kitchen.
Using your kitchen is likegetting out the pots and pans
and cooking.
So I think And I do that liketwice a year.
Okay, twice a year.
That's like I go to the MarriottMarquee in Atlanta twice a year
for market and stay for a week.
I don't own a room there.
(38:37):
You don't use your kitchen.
No, it ain't the same.
So I kinda so I messaged Dylanon Instagram and I was like, we
gotta get to the bottom of this.
So I guess Dylan told Steven,and then Steven was like, Dylan
told me what you said.
So we have decided well, I havedecided reading into it, so then
(39:00):
we can let you defend yourself.
I'm not good at defending.
No, no, it isn't.
Yeah, you can read into ithowever you want.
So I've decided that because youhave a nice kitchen and a nice
home and you've been successfulfrom where you started out and
were brought up.
We've talked about all thathistory here, you feel guilty
(39:24):
for not using the kitchen thatyou do have.
Or you feel guilty because likeyou're probably spending money
on takeout and you should be athome cooking.
SPEAKER_01 (39:37):
That's a big one.
SPEAKER_03 (39:38):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (39:39):
So that's that's a big, it's it's the guilt, it's
the guilt that I have a greatkitchen.
Yeah.
And I was not raised to wastemoney like that on food.
Um you eat at home.
Yeah.
Now we do eat at home.
I'm not saying we cook.
(39:59):
Yeah.
We eat, always eat at least twomeals.
At home.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You eat at home.
SPEAKER_03 (40:06):
You snack.
SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
Yeah, yogurt, that kind of stuff, coffee, yogurt,
you know, small stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (40:12):
It's not a meal.
SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
Yeah.
I didn't say I said we eat.
I'm not saying that's cooking.
Yeah.
I'm just saying we eat like inone meal out.
Yeah.
We use our kitchen, but it'slike not to cook.
Yeah.
It's like we buy food, bring ithome, set it up there, and then
eat it.
SPEAKER_03 (40:32):
Yeah.
But like a lot of empty nestersare doing.
Like a lot of other people aredoing this.
So that's why, and like you'llget a lot of women who are like,
I don't cook for my husband, orlike, we don't cook.
So it's just interesting thatyou feel the need to defend
yourself like you do.
SPEAKER_01 (40:51):
There's this like fantasy or lie that you're
because I feel like I should beusing my beautiful kitchen and
saving money.
But you don't why, but why feelguilty?
SPEAKER_03 (41:05):
It's a scar.
So we've had this conversationon other things as well, because
Steven, like, we've talked aboutone time you lost weight, he
would not go buy new clothes.
He would just put on 10 layersof clothes because he's like,
well, I don't need to spend themoney on.
SPEAKER_01 (41:21):
I'm like, it it most most of my dysfunction, this is
a fact.
Most of my dysfunction goes backto um growing up without.
Right.
And not wanting, not want, notwanting to waste or feeling
guilty.
(41:42):
Right.
So the there's been new, well,hold on.
There's been, and you know, nowI'm looking and starting to plan
a kitchen remote.
Right.
So there's a whole there's awhole level of guilt with this
because I'm ordering a La Cornurange from France.
(42:02):
That's gonna sit in there andget turned on once a year.
And that is fine.
That's fine because you knowwhat?
I want that damn La Cornuerange.
That's right.
SPEAKER_03 (42:12):
So my thing is we need to let it go.
You have you've earned this.
You had a career, you built thatup.
It's not like you stole themoney.
SPEAKER_01 (42:24):
But I kind of do.
Okay, on a fun standpoint,listen, yeah.
On a fun standpoint, when youwhen you buy the LaCorneux
range, you get cooking classesfrom You're not gonna do that.
I think that would be fun.
You do it.
It would if we do remotely forit.
SPEAKER_03 (42:43):
The point is don't justify it.
You have been.
I do justify everything.
He has to justify everything.
You've made money, you'resuccessful, you don't have
anyone to, you don't have kidsto support.
You can do what you want to withyour money.
And my thing from the outside isenjoy it.
Buy the freaking oven and let itsit there and don't ever turn it
(43:05):
on.
SPEAKER_01 (43:05):
I know.
And it's but why I feel guiltyof that.
I know, but you if you remember,like way back when I've always
gone, we could go any to anystore anywhere, and I you you'll
remember I used to put all kindsof things in the cart.
Oh you would put things in thecart.
Oh you would get to thecheckout.
(43:25):
His cart's empty.
Mine's full.
I put it all back.
I'm going around shopping.
You would say, Where's yourstuff?
And you'd say, I'd say, I don'tneed it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (43:36):
Isn't that messed up?
Yeah.
But you were saying also how,because we've talked about it on
here, you have two cars.
So three cars among two people.
It's fine.
Get 50 cars.
Fill up the parking lot.
What does it matter?
It doesn't matter.
It's your money spend it on whatyou want.
But you were saying how you werein a meeting and someone said,
Well, how many cars do you have?
(43:56):
Yeah, well, I had driven adifferent car.
SPEAKER_01 (43:59):
I didn't notice it.
Yeah.
And um, you know, I'm just thereand they and somebody came in
and said, Is that your Mercedesor whatever it was?
And I was like, Yeah.
And they were like, Well, I justsaw you driving a Range Rover.
How many cars do you have?
And did it like in front of like40 people?
(44:22):
Yeah.
And my face turned red.
Yeah.
And he got embarrassed.
I'd be like, as many as I want.
And luckily it was funny becausea friend of mine was there and
she saw that I was embarrassed.
And she said, Cause he can,that's fine.
Yeah.
And I was like, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (44:43):
So whether you're listening or you're Steven, if
you are successful, andsuccessful is so different to
everyone.
My successful is different fromyour successful.
And yours is different fromother people's, and mine's
different from other people's.
So enjoy what everybody doessay.
(45:05):
Like you and I've talked aboutthis.
Like I'm not going to have twocars like that because I don't
like cars enough.
It's not your thing.
It's not my thing.
I'm not going to put in a Loupoo poo li poo-poo oven because
my well, Fam Song's a piece ofshit.
But whirlpool will be just asgood.
Whatever, I don't know, whateveroven it is.
(45:26):
No, I don't mind.
I mean, I would put in a niceone, but it doesn't have to be
that because it's not going todo anything for me.
SPEAKER_01 (45:32):
Well, it w yeah, and I mean, it I mean, it it's true.
You know what I'm saying?
And it's funny because umeverybody's level of success is
so different.
Like I told you, like I knowpeople that what they want to do
is cash in all their money, sellall of their homes, everything,
(45:57):
and live somewhere remotely forthe rest of their life.
Right.
And that's their success.
Would be successful.
SPEAKER_03 (46:06):
That's how they and some people's is about how much
money they can have saved up fortheir kids, which I don't know
why that like that's that'sbizarre to me, but that is some
people's goal mentality andsuccess.
Mine is mine that I tell Stevenis we're gonna be in the same
home pissing in the samediapers, getting the same
(46:28):
service.
I'm gonna sit in mine the samelength you're gonna sit in here.
SPEAKER_00 (46:32):
You better be real nice to me.
SPEAKER_03 (46:35):
We're all counting on dealing.
And here's he's so much youngerthan us.
SPEAKER_01 (46:39):
Here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
At the end of the day, allanyone needs, all we need is
enough.
SPEAKER_03 (46:49):
But everybody's enough is different.
Everyone's enough is different,everyone's success is different,
but you should never feel guiltyin what you're able to
accomplish because where youspend and put your money is
different than what someonewould spend and put their money
in.
SPEAKER_01 (47:07):
And part of the reason my mentality is like that
is my mother's parents, that wastheir um, that was their control
over the family.
Was money?
Guilt.
Oh, guilt.
Guilt and money.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (47:24):
So everything in my life.
We're breaking in.
We're back to layer.
SPEAKER_01 (47:29):
Everything in my life was centered around, you
know, you have you save money,you hoard money, you do not
spend it, you do not enjoy it.
And if you do, damn you.
Well, all those people are gone.
SPEAKER_03 (47:42):
So maybe you should just enjoy it.
SPEAKER_01 (47:44):
Well, and I'm not sure.
There was a big lesson learnedin that with my the way my whole
family.
SPEAKER_03 (47:49):
Well, and I've told you robbed me.
And I think we've talked aboutthis on here kind of before.
Like, if you get a new watch,Steven, instead of being like,
oh my gosh, I got this new watchand being proud of the
accomplishment, he for two weeksis talking about.
I need to return it, I shouldn'thave got it.
(48:09):
Or justifying, well, I did getthis one, and I could sell it
for more than I pay.
I could sell it for more than Ipaid.
I got a deal, so I could makeand I'm like, well, you're not
gonna sell it, so why are wetalking about it?
SPEAKER_01 (48:24):
I think all that stems, honestly, since we've
been talking through it, I thinkall that stems from my
grandparents.
I know that sounds wild.
I'm not to I'm not bashing them.
They were wonderful people.
But they didn't want you toenjoy anything.
Yeah, nothing was to be enjoyed.
Well, you need to enjoy it.
SPEAKER_04 (48:44):
I do.
SPEAKER_03 (48:45):
I do a good job at enjoying shit a lot more than I.
Because if you fall over dead,someone's gonna enjoy it.
They're gonna enjoy it a lotmore than you did.
SPEAKER_04 (48:55):
You write.
SPEAKER_01 (48:57):
And not feel guilty about it.
SPEAKER_04 (48:59):
They're gonna feel guilty.
They're gonna be look what Igot!
SPEAKER_01 (49:04):
That's one thing that seriously, I mean, on a
serious note, um, because theway my family ended up treating
me.
Right.
And, you know, essentiallyrobbed me.
And so now I'm like, this isalso gross to me.
(49:25):
So I've loosened up, you have toadmit, in the past.
You've gotten much better.
SPEAKER_03 (49:29):
Yeah, in the past, the kitchen is the thing.
Because okay, the next thing,y'all are witnessing this here.
He will get that oven andrenovate his kitchen, which
you're gonna feel guilty about.
You'll feel guilty forrenovating the kitchen because
you're gonna be like, well, whydid I spend money on the kitchen
and we don't really use it orwhatever?
(49:50):
And you'll be afraid someone'sgonna judge you for that.
And it's like, what does itmatter?
Take your kitchen out, put itin, put two kitchens in.
Put three.
It doesn't matter.
Just say I'll have a kitchenevery week.
I just like kitchens.
I'm putting a kitchen in everyroom.
What does it matter?
It's your place.
Yeah.
I know.
Anyway, that's that's but it isfunny though when I So I was
(50:14):
gonna say he's gonna get thisoven and I'll make a joke.
Well, y'all, you never use thatfancy oven, and he'll be like,
Yes, we do.
Yes, we do.
SPEAKER_01 (50:21):
Yes, we do.
I you just wait.
I'm gonna turn I'm gonna be likeJulia Child's in there.
SPEAKER_03 (50:26):
I'm gonna be like chicken.
I hope you take these lessonsand you should start an
Instagram influencer cookingaccount.
Cooking on your live proofpoo-poo.
SPEAKER_01 (50:40):
Yeah, be like, go, I should go through Julia Child's
cookbook, one thing at a time.
SPEAKER_02 (50:46):
One page at a time.
SPEAKER_03 (50:46):
I'm gonna keep on a chicken.
The problem with that is he'dhave to hire someone to clean up
behind him because he ain'tgonna have his kitchen in a
mess.
That's the other side of it,too, though.
SPEAKER_01 (50:58):
That is if you've noticed, I cook whenever he's
here.
So he doesn't have to see themess.
That's all cleaned up.
Yeah.
It's all pretty.
But oh.
I went home and I had fresh,warm applesauce.
SPEAKER_03 (51:11):
But before you got home, I bet you saw on Instagram
that Dylan was makingapplesauce.
Let me tell you how this went.
He saw on Instagram that Dylanwas making applesauce while we
were here doing a live sale.
You immediately called him andsaid, Oh, you were making
applesauce?
And he was like, Yeah, I justfinished.
Did you get everything cleanedup?
(51:33):
That shit better be cleaned upwhen I get home.
Is that what he said?
No, I didn't.
Not this time.
But normally, yes, that's thereaction.
Okay, that is the reaction.
There we go.
Y'all can both just kiss it.
It's funny.
I'm glad we were able to dothis.
It is.
We'll see next time.
Okay.
I got lots of things to work on,I'm sure.
(51:54):
Oh, God.
Can you imagine what we reallyhave?
I know.
We gotta keep some things asecret.
SPEAKER_00 (52:00):
Seriously.
SPEAKER_03 (52:01):
All right, we gotta wrap this up because we gotta do
a lot sale.
Bye.
Remember, you can watch ourpodcast and see the one who's
standing here in Frankfurt.
At who's drivingpodcast.com.
You can join our OMO communitythere to watch the podcast.
But if you just want to listen,you can listen anywhere free
that you get your podcast or atwho's drivingpodcast.com.
You can listen for free there.
And remember to leave us areview, but only if it's a good
(52:24):
one.
Otherwise, I had a bigbreakfast.
SPEAKER_01 (52:27):
This was actually turned into a legit therapy
session.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (52:31):
So if you're listening, if you need the same
therapy session, I can do good.
I can do it like this.
SPEAKER_01 (52:38):
But this is taking you like going on 17 years, so
we normally get very defensive.
SPEAKER_03 (52:44):
Yes, we do use it.
Yes, we do.
SPEAKER_01 (52:49):
Listen, I know.
I know that I'm a case study inthe psychology.
SPEAKER_03 (52:56):
I could pull out anything.
Oh, you have a fancy Kitchen Amixer.
You don't ever use it.
I've never used it.
That is a breakthrough momentright there.
Because before today, you wouldhave said, yes, I do.
And I'd have been like No, Iwouldn't have lied.
SPEAKER_01 (53:11):
I've never used, well, I'm going to.
No, it's still in the box.
Isn't that terrible?
SPEAKER_03 (53:18):
No.
It's there if you want it.
And if not, not.
It's fun.
It'd be fun.
Yeah.
Bye, y'all.
Have a great week.
We'll see you next week.
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