May 7, 2025 • 29 mins
We dive into the fascinating world of cryptids and creatures of lore, exploring their origins, descriptions, and cultural significance across different regions and time periods. Cousin Mark joins Hannah and Rob while Courtney is away, adding his perspective on these legendary monsters and their possible connections to real-world explanations.
• Wendigo from Algonquin folklore: a spirit of insatiable greed linked to cannibalism, appearing as a gaunt, emaciated figure with deer-like features
• Jersey Devil inhabiting the Pine Barrens of New Jersey since the 1700s, described as a kangaroo-like beast with bat wings
• Spring-heeled Jack from Victorian England who could leap incredible heights, breathe blue flames, and wore a cape
• Krampus, the dark counterpart to Saint Nicholas who punishes naughty children during Christmas
• Beast of Gévaudan blamed for over 100 deaths in 18th century France, possibly inspiring modern werewolf lore
• Mothman of Point Pleasant, West Virginia with glowing red eyes, appearing before the Silver Bridge collapse
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Rob (00:00):
Explain for the listeners what shirt you're wearing.
Cousin Marc (00:02):
I am wearing the little duck that has a knife and
it says around him that Ichoose violence.
Rob (00:09):
And where'd you get that shirt?
Who makes that?
Cousin Marc (00:11):
I'd have to take the shirt off, but I ain't going
to do that in front of you guys, Boom choo-choo, wow-wow, okay
(00:40):
with us.
Rob (00:43):
This is Wicked.
Hannah (00:44):
Wanderings.
Rob (01:02):
Hi Rob, hello Hannah.
Hannah (01:05):
And everybody.
Courtney is not here today.
We miss her tremendously.
She has some personal shit shegot to do this weekend.
She is fine, everybody.
She has a life outside thispodcast and I understand that.
So we will miss her.
But in her stead, drumrollplease.
We have Cousin Mark in thevirtual flesh with us today.
Thank you, cousin Mark, forfilling in.
(01:25):
We have Cousin Mark in thevirtual flesh with us today.
Thank you, cousin Mark, forfilling in.
Rob (01:29):
Hello, cousin, mark.
Hannah (01:31):
So wonders Well, we missed you.
Of course, I always miss youguys, even you too, rob.
Rob (01:39):
Oh, thank you.
We missed you at the weddinglast month.
Cousin Marc (01:43):
Yeah, but I was taking care of the littles.
Hannah (01:47):
Responsibility.
Who the fuck thought of thatright?
Rob (01:49):
All right, hannah.
What are we going to bediscussing today?
Hannah (01:53):
Well, I want to talk about that, but I also want to
say that we had a text comethrough from a wanderer.
Rob (01:59):
Oh yeah.
Hannah (02:00):
So it was actually from our Maura Murray update and it
says nice update.
Where was that guy from WP WestPoint during the murder?
Was he in the area?
That's a very good question.
And I don't have the answer tothat.
Rob (02:13):
Thank you, Feeding Hills.
Hannah (02:15):
Yes, but we will have to look into that.
But it's a very good question.
Rob (02:23):
And for anyone not from Massachusetts, that's Feeding
Hills, massachusetts, which islocated in Agawam Massachusetts.
Which fun fact AgawamMassachusetts has the lowest zip
code in the country, 0-1-0-0-1.
Woo, did you know that, cousinMark?
Cousin Marc (02:34):
I did not.
I'm not very up to date on myzip code.
Hannah (02:39):
He's like did I need to know that piece of information?
Probably not.
But thank you, wander.
Need to know that piece ofinformation?
Probably not, but thank you,wanderer.
I have no idea if he was in thearea, the guy from west point,
but it just was a very peculiarcase in the fact that he was
hurting animals and taking moneyfrom it.
It just seemed like a logicalconclusion that he might have
done something with mora.
But we don't know.
(02:59):
But it's definitely a lead.
Rob (03:01):
Yes, definitely.
Hannah (03:03):
So what we're talking about today?
Rob (03:06):
creatures of lore we have several.
Hannah (03:10):
I think we have five in total and, honestly, rob helped
me put this together, so thankyou to Rob for helping me with
this.
Should I just dive in?
Yeah, talk about the firstcreature.
Rob (03:21):
Definitely.
Hannah (03:22):
So the first creature is Wendigo, which is funny because
when we talked about campwendigo, I actually brought up
the creature wendigo and corningsaid, no, I had nothing to do
with.
Rob (03:31):
It spelled differently, whatever okay, so now we're
gonna dive into the creature.
Now we're gonna talk about him.
Hannah (03:36):
Cousin mark, do you know who wendigo is, or the creature
wendigo?
I do not.
Cousin Marc (03:40):
But I am looking him up right now.
I'm sort of input into this.
Hannah (03:45):
Excellent.
So, wanderers, as you know, Ilove creatures of lore.
My favorite is Bigfoot,obviously, but I actually do not
know about a lot of these.
I mean, we could talk aboutMothman and Wendigo.
We have the Jersey Devil comingup, so let's just dive into
Wendigo and see what Rob came upwith.
Originates from god.
(04:14):
Rob, this is a big word.
Oh boy, algonquin, folklore,algonquin, yeah, yeah, okay I'm
guessing that is native americanorigins.
Sounds like it okay, yes, it is,yeah, said to be a spirit of
insatiable greed or hunger,often linked to cannibalism.
What the fuck Typically appearsafter a person resorts to
eating human flesh?
You know, Cousin Mark, you knowwho I think of eating human
flesh.
No, that would be JeffreyDahmer.
(04:35):
That would be Jeffrey Dahmer.
Rob (04:38):
I thought you were going to talk about that fictional
character.
Hello, Clarice.
Cousin Marc (04:43):
Oh, hannibal Lecter , Hannibal Lecter.
Hannah (04:44):
Hannibal Lecter oh but he's not real though.
Cousin Marc (04:47):
No, that's why I said fictional character.
He ate a liver with some favabeans.
Hannah (04:53):
That's normal, right yeah.
Described as gaunt, emaciatedand sometimes part animal.
Rob (05:02):
Oh.
Hannah (05:03):
Associated with cold climates, especially northern
forests.
Oh great, right where we live.
A metaphor for uncheckedconsumption or loss of humanity
Inspired modern horror in film,literature and video games.
Rob (05:16):
Hmm Interesting.
Hannah (05:18):
Cousin Mark, do you have anything else to add to that?
Cousin Marc (05:20):
Now see mine.
Here is again with theAlgonquin folklore.
Yes, now see mine.
Here is again with theAlgonquin folklore.
A fiendish beast oftendescribed as a giant emaciated
figure with a heart of ice.
Rob (05:33):
Heart of ice.
Cousin Marc (05:34):
It's a cannibalistic monster believed
to stalk and devour humans, or aspirit that possesses
individuals, causing them toturn into cannibals.
Rob (05:45):
The.
Cousin Marc (05:45):
Wendigo is associated with winter and can
be depicted as a giant humanoidor hybrid creature with
deer-like features.
Rob (05:54):
You know, what I think of right away is the northern
people beyond the wall in Gameof Thrones.
Cousin Marc (05:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, it reminds me of South Park with
man Bear Pig.
Oh geez.
Hannah (06:05):
Wait, so okay, beyond the wall in Game of Thrones.
So I'm kind of going off yourtheory here.
Those were just people thatbasically died there, and then
they came back to life Right.
Cousin Marc (06:15):
But they used animal, all animal skins and
everything to make their clothes.
Okay, okay.
More animal rustic than theknights and everybody on the
other side of the wall becauseof mark.
Hannah (06:28):
When you were talking about the deer like features, I
feel like any picture I've seenof them that people have tried
to render.
They have like huge antlers ontop of their head as well.
Yes, I mean it really justsounds like a creature.
Yeah, I don't want to meet inperson, yeah if you have Rob,
Google it on his phone.
Cousin Marc (06:49):
He can pull up some pictures.
Yeah, Rob, get to it.
Long claws, antlers kind oflooks like the cattle head.
You know we have the skin andeverything taken off the cattle
head.
Yep, yep, very freaky.
Hannah (07:03):
Oh, okay, that must be a Native American type.
Rob (07:06):
Interesting.
Hannah (07:07):
Maybe we need to move on .
My goodness, the Jersey Devil.
This is one that we all know.
Cousin Marc (07:13):
That is why the NHL hockey team is named the New
Jersey Devils.
Oh really, it was after that,yep.
I did not know that Also withthe Jersey Devil, the x-files
did a episode on thatinteresting devil, god x-files.
That one was good.
Rob (07:29):
I'm going a little bit before your time I recently
heard that they're trying toremake the x-files and bring the
original two cast members back,or at least, oh the woman yeah,
jillian anderson yes, what washer character's name?
Cousin Marc (07:43):
Dana Scully.
Rob (07:44):
There you go.
Cousin Marc (07:45):
And then you add David Duchovny played Fox Mulder
.
Rob (07:48):
Mulder and Scully.
That's what I remember.
Hannah (07:50):
The Jersey Devil, a legendary creature said to
inhabit the Pine Barrens of NewJersey, which, honestly, if you
think about New Jersey, I don'tthink about forest Pine.
Barrens, pine Barrens Describedas a kangaroo-like beast with
bat wings, horns and a forkedtail, allegedly born to a woman
(08:11):
named Mother Leeds in the 1700sher 13th child.
I'm guessing she was a witchWith a teat See Courtney's not
here.
She can't go with a teat Afterme Anyways.
Fucking Putnums.
Fucking Putnums, you rob.
Has been blamed for livestockdeaths and eerie noises.
(08:31):
Sightings surged in the early1900s, creating mass panic.
Skeptics believe it may be amisidentified bird or hoax.
A misidentified bird okay, birdmy ass.
That is not true.
Often used to reflect regionalfears and folklore identity.
Cousin Marc (08:48):
Oh, Hannah.
Hannah (08:49):
Oh.
So that could be construed as abird yeah but that's a big bird
, cousin Mark, that's my thing.
We don't have big birds.
I feel like the big bird wehave is like a-.
Rob (09:02):
Sesame Street.
Hannah (09:03):
He's a big yellow bird with an orange beak.
No, I'm talking about actualbirds, not big bird like, like
an ostrich we don't haveostriches in the northeast no
I'm talking about storks that'skind of big bird pterodactyl we
got osprey on the cape, I'msorry.
Rob said pterodactyl, that is,there's a dinosaur, it's not
(09:23):
really a worm.
Rob (09:25):
Dinosaurs turned into birds .
Oh my God.
Cousin Marc (09:27):
Yes, but how did we know what the dinosaurs sounded
like if no one was there?
Hannah (09:31):
I feel, like we're getting off track a little bit
here.
Cousin Marc (09:35):
Well, no, because you can.
These are kind of likeprehistoric looking images.
Hannah (09:41):
So the T-Rex, we actually had the wrong sound for
him and I think they were ableto say, like what he did sound
like based off of vocal cordbone things.
Rob (09:51):
Things, yeah, yeah.
Cousin Marc (09:54):
I also bring in the prehistoric beings and whatnot,
because they're saying thatthis Jersey Devil had short arms
.
It's got bat like wings, kindof like the pterodactyl.
So there are kind ofsimilarities.
So we're not too far off trackwith prehistoric.
Hannah (10:13):
Looking at those pictures, Cousin Mark, does it
give you how big it was?
Any feet or inches to how bigit was at all?
Not yet.
Rob (10:20):
Okay, just out of curiosity .
Cousin Marc (10:22):
But you have to remember these people back in
the 1800s and whatnot, werelooking at things at night,
trying to describe somethinggoing by fast.
By the time you had 8, 9, 10,12, 15 people describe it.
Somebody's putting all thedescriptions together, so that's
(10:43):
why they got so many differentattributes.
Hannah (10:46):
No, absolutely.
And I'm thinking when it saysthe 1700s, this woman I mean.
Obviously it sounds like shemust have been considered a
witch, just based off of theinformation we have, but I'm
thinking also to people thathave ring cameras now,
especially in appalachia, wherethey have these things in their
backyard and they can't describewhat they are making weird
sounds, weird movements.
(11:07):
There has to be some type oftruth to these lores.
Even though it might not belike the jersey devil, you know
what I mean yes yeah, there'sthings out there we cannot
explain.
Cousin Marc (11:18):
I know that yep, but also the human brain will
manifest things to your imagesthat you want to see.
See like I don't believe inghosts, okay, so that's probably
why I've never seen one peoplethat believe in ghosts are
open-minded to see that youreally don't believe in ghosts
because of mark nope, everythinghappens for a reason we're
(11:42):
gonna have to bring him on aghost tour with us.
Okay, I got you and courtney andspooky new hampshire thing
facebook, I'll have to look aton a ghost tour with us.
Okay, I'm doing Courtney andSpooky New Hampshire thing
Facebook, we'll have to look atthat, yeah.
Hannah (11:51):
Are we ready for the third one?
Rob (11:52):
I think so.
Hannah (11:53):
All right, spring-heeled Jack, which I've never heard of
.
He's in England.
Cousin Mark man, he just lookslike a psychopedia of weirdness,
that's right.
A mysterious figure fromVictorian England reported to
leap incredible heights, breatheblue flames and wear a cape.
Victims claimed he clawed atthem with metal fingers, became
(12:15):
a media sensation and urbanlegend throughout England,
possibly inspired by fears ofindustrialization or gothic
fiction.
Some believe he was a pranksteraristocrat, others a
supernatural entity Inspiredcharacters in penny dreadful's
and later pop culture.
I've never heard of this.
Cousin Marc (12:33):
Yeah, when I listened to the last podcast on
the left, they did a wholecryptids episode and this was
one of them.
Hannah (12:41):
Yeah, I've never heard of this guy at all.
It's interesting.
Cousin Marc (12:44):
You know you had said clawed at with metal
fingertips.
It reminds me of EdwardScissorhands.
Hannah (12:50):
Oh, I love that movie.
That's a good film, but I lovehow it says it's possibly
inspired by fears ofindustrialization.
I think that's very interesting.
I mean, the world was movingreally fast back then.
It's interesting that theybring that up.
Cousin Marc (13:06):
Yeah, many stories also mentioned a devil-like
aspect it always comes back tothe devil.
Of course, devils associatedwith evil and death.
Hannah (13:16):
It's just, it's incredible, like when I was in
Salem with my brother and wewent to this wonderful house
museum.
They were talking about howthey made certain marks on their
doors and stuff just becausethey were so superstitious of
what evil could come after them.
And even though they were youknow quote unquote God fearing
people, they still had thoselike superstitious beliefs and
(13:38):
it's just so interesting to mehow they thought these simple
markings or cleansing type ofrituals could save them.
it's so interesting yeah, well,I'm not a very religious person
yeah that also is passover right, right, yeah, absolutely,
absolutely with the blood,absolutely yeah, yeah, again
(14:00):
mass hysteria.
Cousin Marc (14:01):
Yeah, if you get people talking about it,
everybody's gonna believe itright.
Hannah (14:05):
Well, I think that's why it's important to like do your
own research.
It's kind of hard to do it intothe paranormal, but you guys
know what I'm saying.
Like, do your own research,your own documentation.
Don't just believe what youread on the internet or what
people say to you.
Like I'm going to look intothis myself.
And no, tiktok is not areliable source.
Everybody Just going to putthat out there, we all love it,
but it's not a reliable source.
(14:26):
Should I go to the next one?
Yeah, all right, krampus,krampus.
Who doesn't love Krampus, oldUncle?
Rob (14:35):
Krampus.
Hannah (14:36):
You have an old uncle named Krampus.
Rob (14:38):
No, but that's what it sounds like, because we need to
talk about that Rob.
My great Uncle Krampus.
He was so Krampus all the time.
That's right.
Hannah (14:48):
A dark counterpart to Saint Nicholas in Central
European folklore, depicted as ahorned, hairy beast with chains
and a basket for abductingchildren.
Rob (14:57):
Ooh.
Hannah (14:58):
Punishes naughty kids during the Christmas season.
Rob (15:01):
Okay.
Hannah (15:01):
Originates from Alpine traditions and pagan winter
festivals, has seen a resurgencein popularity through parades
and horror films, which, is true, represents the dual nature of
the holiday season reward andpunishment.
Highlights how folklore adaptsand survives in modern culture,
which is kind of funny, becauseone of my favorite authors is
Brom B-R-O-M and he wroteSlewfoot, which is a fabulous of
(15:27):
uh, witchery in salem.
If you're looking into thatstuff, it's really good, also
the audiobook, but anyways, healso did a book called krampus
and it's not my to read list,but it's very true how it's come
back into society and kind oflike this good evil, santa claus
, krampus, cold, you're stalkingor you're going to get a gift.
(15:51):
So it's obviously a way to makekids be scared yeah, again, the
same thing that religion does.
Cousin Marc (15:58):
Yeah, one scares you into being good and kind and
you know things like that.
But With Krampus here, you knowyou have technically horns.
They look like goat horns, youknow, associated with the devil,
of course, super long tongue inmost of these pictures that I'm
looking at, that one's funny.
That's one of a Krampus sittingon a rocking horse with a child
(16:21):
.
My God, you know you wantcreepy, there you go.
Hannah (16:27):
Where does the goat representation for for the devil
come from?
Because I grew up in religionmy whole life and there's never
been anything with a goat.
Where did that come from?
Cousin Marc (16:36):
the only thing I can think of is somebody going.
Hannah (16:39):
Well, it had things out of top of its head like a goat
or a cow maybe this is somethingwe need to look into, or if a
wanderer happens to know,because I've read the Bible from
back to front and nothing aboutthe devil being a goat.
So if anyone knows, please letme know.
Rob (16:57):
Send us a message.
There's a link down in the shownotes.
It says send us a text.
Cousin Marc (17:01):
And reference this show in the text.
Hannah (17:04):
Very good point, cousin Mark.
Thank you All right.
The next one is the Beast ofGavannan, a wolf-like creature
blamed for attacking and killingpeople in 18th century France.
Ooh, francaise Victims wereoften women and children, killed
in brutal fashion.
Over 100 deaths were attributedto the beast between 1764 and
(17:24):
1767.
King Louis XV even sentsoldiers to hunt it down.
Theories include an unusuallylarge wolf, a hyena or a human
serial killer.
Medium folklore amplified itslegend for beyond the actual
events, considered a precursorto modern werewolf lore.
Ooh, so it must have beenpretty serious if King Louis
(17:46):
decided to send people after it.
I mean, I love werewolf lore.
It's up there with vampires forme.
I think that's amazing.
Cousin Marc (17:53):
Yeah, they got the cryptid theory.
The creature's unusualdescriptions and the lack of
evidence for a known animal ledsome to speculate it was a
cryptid, a creature unknown toscience.
But then again they also hadthe human culprit, perhaps a
serial killer because of themutilation and decapitations.
Hannah (18:13):
With all this different lore and people having different
descriptions for differentbeings, there has to be some
truth somewhere to it.
Cousin Marc (18:21):
But see, it's all going to come down to people
describing what they see.
Okay, you take the Egyptians.
Rob (18:33):
The Egyptians watched aliens come out of the sky in
their ships.
Cousin Marc (18:36):
They had no word for alien.
They had no word for spaceships, so they associated it with the
only thing they knew, which wastheir religion.
Wait, what aliens are youtalking about?
The aliens that came down andhelped the Egyptians build the
pyramids?
Hannah (18:53):
Oh, build the pyramids Right, because it wasn't the
Jews as everyone says.
Cousin Marc (18:58):
Yes, because they had no words for what they were
looking at, so they associatedit with higher level beings,
angels and things like that.
Hannah (19:10):
I feel like this is going off in my head.
Rob (19:11):
I need to do more research on this, because this is insane
Rob.
Hannah (19:14):
you look like you want to say something.
Rob (19:16):
I was just going to say you don't believe that aliens
visited the Egyptians, but youbelieve in Bigfoot.
Hannah (19:22):
Yes, I believe in Bigfoot, but there's also my
religious background of the Jewswere the ones that helped build
the pyramids because they wereenslaved, but that's my
religious background.
Like, yes, I believe in aliens.
Like absolutely, there can bebeings out there.
Coming from a religiousperspective, right, I can't
imagine god being like, okay,this is the only thing I'm gonna
make.
Like, come on, we're prettyboring and the universe is so
(19:44):
vast.
The universe is so big right,why just make us right it.
Cousin Marc (19:48):
Just that seems silly to me, but see I
understand hannah believing inbigfoot, a big, hairy, smelly
creature, because she lives withrob I need to fight his
relatives if you can't pick onyour family, who can you pick on
(20:08):
?
Hannah (20:09):
oh my god, I'm gonna pee myself wow oh my god just don't
burn the house down oh my god,that, oh, I'm not allowed to buy
those candles ever again by theway, no imagine, imagine how I
felt.
You know, 200 miles away, livingit through a screen, basically,
and you're like do I callanyone, what are they okay?
(20:31):
Like you're like do I callanyone, what are they Okay?
Like you're like hello ladies,I don't know if you survived,
please call again, but you'reletting the wanderers know
everything.
Guys, you need to go back tothat episode because it is
fantastic.
Poor cousin Mark was lettingthe wanderers know.
I think they're okay.
They threw water on.
I think they're all right.
That's a big flash.
Uh-oh, I guess they're burningthe house down.
Rob (20:50):
Yorkshire Ripper.
Part one, episode 78.
Hannah (20:52):
It's in their wonders.
Thank God no one got hurt, butit was definitely worth
listening to Crazy.
Cousin Marc (20:59):
All right, let's go Another cryptid.
That's all I got.
Oh, all right.
Hannah (21:03):
Well then we'll have to talk about Mothman.
All right, talk about Mothman.
Cousin Marc (21:05):
What do you got?
Rob (21:06):
Okay, so we got a bonus one .
Cousin Marc (21:07):
There we go, all right.
So the Mothman legend emergedin Point Pleasant, west Virginia
, okay, particularly in 1966 and1967, leading up to the
collapse of the Silver Bridge.
Ooh, what's a Silver Bridge Didwe know?
Just a bridge in Mount PointPleasant, west Virginia, okay.
(21:31):
Reports of the creature,described as a large winged
humanoid figure with red glowingeyes, became widespread in the
area.
While the exact origin isdebated, popular theories
include military experiments,folklore and even possible
misinterpretations of largebirds.
Hannah (21:49):
Hmm, there's the large bird shit again.
Cousin Marc (21:52):
Yeah, and even possible misinterpretations of
large birds.
There's the large bird shitagain.
Yeah, well, you got to have thewings in there.
But keep in mind that in placesoverseas Africa and whatnot
they have bats that are liketheir wingspan is like eight
feet long, right?
So seeing something that big isnot particularly out of the
ordinary maybe for here, but notin other parts of the world.
Rob (22:15):
Isn't the bald eagle their wingspan like enormous?
Cousin Marc (22:19):
Yeah, five, six, seven, eight feet, but they're
not as big as some of thesecryptids.
Rob (22:26):
Yeah, six to eight feet yeah.
Hannah (22:29):
So when they were talking about experimentation,
it just brought my mind to.
So cousin mark, you'll probablyknow what I'm talking about and
I would love to do an episodeon.
Her is one of the doctors fromworld war ii that was doing
trying to make a super soldier,and he started experimenting on
his own daughter oh yeah, shesaid to be like still alive
(22:50):
somewhere living out her days,like just I can't find any books
on it, which I'm kind ofsurprised.
Yeah, but he basically was justlike I'm really sorry for what
happened to you and just likeleft her there yeah, they were
just ruthless with what theywere doing in that.
Cousin Marc (23:10):
So it was Joseph Mengele M-E-N-G-E-L-E.
He did all kinds of experiments, not only with his own daughter
, but he also did them with theJewish children that they had
taken.
Those are so sad.
Some of the things that he wasdoing was deadly experiments on
prisoners with no medical basisat the Auschwitz camp.
Hannah (23:32):
Have you seen man in the High Castle?
It's a really good show aboutwhat would have happened if we
lost World War II and so Germanytook over part of America and
then the Japanese took over thewestern half.
Yeah, and they do experimentson people.
It's a really sad but reallygood show on Amazon Prime, if
you have it, but it kind ofreminds me of that as well.
Cousin Marc (23:53):
Yeah, his experiments focus primarily on
twins, with no regard for thehealth or safety of the victims.
I'd have to dig into it more,but again, trying to figure out
how to make a more superiorperson, he just did whatever he
wanted to, with no consequence.
Rob (24:13):
All right, do we want to do a card?
All right, pick a card.
Cousin Marc (24:21):
Any card, all right , so I have the seven of
diamonds.
This is Paula Jacobs.
Okay have the seven of diamonds.
This is paula jacobs okay.
Monday, october 3rd 2011, atapproximately 9 15 pm.
The victim was shot and fatallywounded in the courtyard behind
39 dearborn street in roxbury.
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If you have any info about thiscase, please call
1-855-MA-SOLVE.
Hannah (24:50):
These really are sad and I wish we don't know right.
Maybe a wanderer has called inand knows something.
Rob (24:56):
Yeah.
Hannah (24:56):
I mean, we never know right?
Yeah, we won't know.
Rob (24:59):
No, and you don't have to text us to let us know that you
called in.
Yeah, no, we don't, but if youdo know something, you know.
Please call Call 1-855-MASOLVEand let's close one of these
cases.
I mean we have a whole deck, 52.
We've gone through half of themand maybe someone out there
that's listening knows somethingor has something, and you can
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do it anonymously.
Cousin Marc (25:20):
You don't have to have your name put in there.
Hannah (25:23):
Right, right, cousin.
Mark, I can't thank you enoughfor coming on today.
So it's not me and Rob juststaring at each other.
Rob (25:29):
And Hannah I can't thank you enough for doing the five
lores that we have today andCousin Mark, the bonus lore.
Cousin Marc (25:36):
The bonus lore In the virtual flesh.
We always throw the stuff atthe wall to see what sticks.
Rob (25:43):
Yeah, exactly.
Hannah (25:45):
I feel like spaghetti.
Rob (25:48):
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Well, I just need to pull thetrigger and buy some stickers at
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The other thing I love too is my Wicked Wandering
Skull T.
That T-shirt is amazing.
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Link is down in the show notes All right, hannah Mark.
Rob (26:55):
Thank you.
Hannah (26:55):
Wanderers.
Thank you, cousin, mark and Rob.
Cousin Marc (26:57):
Bye, Bye Rob.
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Thanks for listening.
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Thank you.
Explain for the listeners what shirt you're wearing.
Cousin Marc (00:02):
I am wearing the little duck that has a knife and
it says around him that Ichoose violence.
Rob (00:09):
And where'd you get that shirt?
Who makes that?
Cousin Marc (00:11):
I'd have to take the shirt off, but I ain't going
to do that in front of you guys, Boom choo-choo, wow-wow, okay
(00:40):
with us.
Rob (00:43):
This is Wicked.
Hannah (00:44):
Wanderings.
Rob (01:02):
Hi Rob, hello Hannah.
Hannah (01:05):
And everybody.
Courtney is not here today.
We miss her tremendously.
She has some personal shit shegot to do this weekend.
She is fine, everybody.
She has a life outside thispodcast and I understand that.
So we will miss her.
But in her stead, drumrollplease.
We have Cousin Mark in thevirtual flesh with us today.
Thank you, cousin Mark, forfilling in.
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We have Cousin Mark in thevirtual flesh with us today.
Thank you, cousin Mark, forfilling in.
Rob (01:29):
Hello, cousin, mark.
Hannah (01:31):
So wonders Well, we missed you.
Of course, I always miss youguys, even you too, rob.
Rob (01:39):
Oh, thank you.
We missed you at the weddinglast month.
Cousin Marc (01:43):
Yeah, but I was taking care of the littles.
Hannah (01:47):
Responsibility.
Who the fuck thought of thatright?
Rob (01:49):
All right, hannah.
What are we going to bediscussing today?
Hannah (01:53):
Well, I want to talk about that, but I also want to
say that we had a text comethrough from a wanderer.
Rob (01:59):
Oh yeah.
Hannah (02:00):
So it was actually from our Maura Murray update and it
says nice update.
Where was that guy from WP WestPoint during the murder?
Was he in the area?
That's a very good question.
And I don't have the answer tothat.
Rob (02:13):
Thank you, Feeding Hills.
Hannah (02:15):
Yes, but we will have to look into that.
But it's a very good question.
Rob (02:23):
And for anyone not from Massachusetts, that's Feeding
Hills, massachusetts, which islocated in Agawam Massachusetts.
Which fun fact AgawamMassachusetts has the lowest zip
code in the country, 0-1-0-0-1.
Woo, did you know that, cousinMark?
Cousin Marc (02:34):
I did not.
I'm not very up to date on myzip code.
Hannah (02:39):
He's like did I need to know that piece of information?
Probably not.
But thank you, wander.
Need to know that piece ofinformation?
Probably not, but thank you,wanderer.
I have no idea if he was in thearea, the guy from west point,
but it just was a very peculiarcase in the fact that he was
hurting animals and taking moneyfrom it.
It just seemed like a logicalconclusion that he might have
done something with mora.
But we don't know.
(02:59):
But it's definitely a lead.
Rob (03:01):
Yes, definitely.
Hannah (03:03):
So what we're talking about today?
Rob (03:06):
creatures of lore we have several.
Hannah (03:10):
I think we have five in total and, honestly, rob helped
me put this together, so thankyou to Rob for helping me with
this.
Should I just dive in?
Yeah, talk about the firstcreature.
Rob (03:21):
Definitely.
Hannah (03:22):
So the first creature is Wendigo, which is funny because
when we talked about campwendigo, I actually brought up
the creature wendigo and corningsaid, no, I had nothing to do
with.
Rob (03:31):
It spelled differently, whatever okay, so now we're
gonna dive into the creature.
Now we're gonna talk about him.
Hannah (03:36):
Cousin mark, do you know who wendigo is, or the creature
wendigo?
I do not.
Cousin Marc (03:40):
But I am looking him up right now.
I'm sort of input into this.
Hannah (03:45):
Excellent.
So, wanderers, as you know, Ilove creatures of lore.
My favorite is Bigfoot,obviously, but I actually do not
know about a lot of these.
I mean, we could talk aboutMothman and Wendigo.
We have the Jersey Devil comingup, so let's just dive into
Wendigo and see what Rob came upwith.
Originates from god.
(04:14):
Rob, this is a big word.
Oh boy, algonquin, folklore,algonquin, yeah, yeah, okay I'm
guessing that is native americanorigins.
Sounds like it okay, yes, it is,yeah, said to be a spirit of
insatiable greed or hunger,often linked to cannibalism.
What the fuck Typically appearsafter a person resorts to
eating human flesh?
You know, Cousin Mark, you knowwho I think of eating human
flesh.
No, that would be JeffreyDahmer.
(04:35):
That would be Jeffrey Dahmer.
Rob (04:38):
I thought you were going to talk about that fictional
character.
Hello, Clarice.
Cousin Marc (04:43):
Oh, hannibal Lecter , Hannibal Lecter.
Hannah (04:44):
Hannibal Lecter oh but he's not real though.
Cousin Marc (04:47):
No, that's why I said fictional character.
He ate a liver with some favabeans.
Hannah (04:53):
That's normal, right yeah.
Described as gaunt, emaciatedand sometimes part animal.
Rob (05:02):
Oh.
Hannah (05:03):
Associated with cold climates, especially northern
forests.
Oh great, right where we live.
A metaphor for uncheckedconsumption or loss of humanity
Inspired modern horror in film,literature and video games.
Rob (05:16):
Hmm Interesting.
Hannah (05:18):
Cousin Mark, do you have anything else to add to that?
Cousin Marc (05:20):
Now see mine.
Here is again with theAlgonquin folklore.
Yes, now see mine.
Here is again with theAlgonquin folklore.
A fiendish beast oftendescribed as a giant emaciated
figure with a heart of ice.
Rob (05:33):
Heart of ice.
Cousin Marc (05:34):
It's a cannibalistic monster believed
to stalk and devour humans, or aspirit that possesses
individuals, causing them toturn into cannibals.
Rob (05:45):
The.
Cousin Marc (05:45):
Wendigo is associated with winter and can
be depicted as a giant humanoidor hybrid creature with
deer-like features.
Rob (05:54):
You know, what I think of right away is the northern
people beyond the wall in Gameof Thrones.
Cousin Marc (05:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, it reminds me of South Park with
man Bear Pig.
Oh geez.
Hannah (06:05):
Wait, so okay, beyond the wall in Game of Thrones.
So I'm kind of going off yourtheory here.
Those were just people thatbasically died there, and then
they came back to life Right.
Cousin Marc (06:15):
But they used animal, all animal skins and
everything to make their clothes.
Okay, okay.
More animal rustic than theknights and everybody on the
other side of the wall becauseof mark.
Hannah (06:28):
When you were talking about the deer like features, I
feel like any picture I've seenof them that people have tried
to render.
They have like huge antlers ontop of their head as well.
Yes, I mean it really justsounds like a creature.
Yeah, I don't want to meet inperson, yeah if you have Rob,
Google it on his phone.
Cousin Marc (06:49):
He can pull up some pictures.
Yeah, Rob, get to it.
Long claws, antlers kind oflooks like the cattle head.
You know we have the skin andeverything taken off the cattle
head.
Yep, yep, very freaky.
Hannah (07:03):
Oh, okay, that must be a Native American type.
Rob (07:06):
Interesting.
Hannah (07:07):
Maybe we need to move on .
My goodness, the Jersey Devil.
This is one that we all know.
Cousin Marc (07:13):
That is why the NHL hockey team is named the New
Jersey Devils.
Oh really, it was after that,yep.
I did not know that Also withthe Jersey Devil, the x-files
did a episode on thatinteresting devil, god x-files.
That one was good.
Rob (07:29):
I'm going a little bit before your time I recently
heard that they're trying toremake the x-files and bring the
original two cast members back,or at least, oh the woman yeah,
jillian anderson yes, what washer character's name?
Cousin Marc (07:43):
Dana Scully.
Rob (07:44):
There you go.
Cousin Marc (07:45):
And then you add David Duchovny played Fox Mulder
.
Rob (07:48):
Mulder and Scully.
That's what I remember.
Hannah (07:50):
The Jersey Devil, a legendary creature said to
inhabit the Pine Barrens of NewJersey, which, honestly, if you
think about New Jersey, I don'tthink about forest Pine.
Barrens, pine Barrens Describedas a kangaroo-like beast with
bat wings, horns and a forkedtail, allegedly born to a woman
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named Mother Leeds in the 1700sher 13th child.
I'm guessing she was a witchWith a teat See Courtney's not
here.
She can't go with a teat Afterme Anyways.
Fucking Putnums.
Fucking Putnums, you rob.
Has been blamed for livestockdeaths and eerie noises.
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Sightings surged in the early1900s, creating mass panic.
Skeptics believe it may be amisidentified bird or hoax.
A misidentified bird okay, birdmy ass.
That is not true.
Often used to reflect regionalfears and folklore identity.
Cousin Marc (08:48):
Oh, Hannah.
Hannah (08:49):
Oh.
So that could be construed as abird yeah but that's a big bird
, cousin Mark, that's my thing.
We don't have big birds.
I feel like the big bird wehave is like a-.
Rob (09:02):
Sesame Street.
Hannah (09:03):
He's a big yellow bird with an orange beak.
No, I'm talking about actualbirds, not big bird like, like
an ostrich we don't haveostriches in the northeast no
I'm talking about storks that'skind of big bird pterodactyl we
got osprey on the cape, I'msorry.
Rob said pterodactyl, that is,there's a dinosaur, it's not
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really a worm.
Rob (09:25):
Dinosaurs turned into birds .
Oh my God.
Cousin Marc (09:27):
Yes, but how did we know what the dinosaurs sounded
like if no one was there?
Hannah (09:31):
I feel, like we're getting off track a little bit
here.
Cousin Marc (09:35):
Well, no, because you can.
These are kind of likeprehistoric looking images.
Hannah (09:41):
So the T-Rex, we actually had the wrong sound for
him and I think they were ableto say, like what he did sound
like based off of vocal cordbone things.
Rob (09:51):
Things, yeah, yeah.
Cousin Marc (09:54):
I also bring in the prehistoric beings and whatnot,
because they're saying thatthis Jersey Devil had short arms
.
It's got bat like wings, kindof like the pterodactyl.
So there are kind ofsimilarities.
So we're not too far off trackwith prehistoric.
Hannah (10:13):
Looking at those pictures, Cousin Mark, does it
give you how big it was?
Any feet or inches to how bigit was at all?
Not yet.
Rob (10:20):
Okay, just out of curiosity .
Cousin Marc (10:22):
But you have to remember these people back in
the 1800s and whatnot, werelooking at things at night,
trying to describe somethinggoing by fast.
By the time you had 8, 9, 10,12, 15 people describe it.
Somebody's putting all thedescriptions together, so that's
(10:43):
why they got so many differentattributes.
Hannah (10:46):
No, absolutely.
And I'm thinking when it saysthe 1700s, this woman I mean.
Obviously it sounds like shemust have been considered a
witch, just based off of theinformation we have, but I'm
thinking also to people thathave ring cameras now,
especially in appalachia, wherethey have these things in their
backyard and they can't describewhat they are making weird
sounds, weird movements.
(11:07):
There has to be some type oftruth to these lores.
Even though it might not belike the jersey devil, you know
what I mean yes yeah, there'sthings out there we cannot
explain.
Cousin Marc (11:18):
I know that yep, but also the human brain will
manifest things to your imagesthat you want to see.
See like I don't believe inghosts, okay, so that's probably
why I've never seen one peoplethat believe in ghosts are
open-minded to see that youreally don't believe in ghosts
because of mark nope, everythinghappens for a reason we're
(11:42):
gonna have to bring him on aghost tour with us.
Okay, I got you and courtney andspooky new hampshire thing
facebook, I'll have to look aton a ghost tour with us.
Okay, I'm doing Courtney andSpooky New Hampshire thing
Facebook, we'll have to look atthat, yeah.
Hannah (11:51):
Are we ready for the third one?
Rob (11:52):
I think so.
Hannah (11:53):
All right, spring-heeled Jack, which I've never heard of
.
He's in England.
Cousin Mark man, he just lookslike a psychopedia of weirdness,
that's right.
A mysterious figure fromVictorian England reported to
leap incredible heights, breatheblue flames and wear a cape.
Victims claimed he clawed atthem with metal fingers, became
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a media sensation and urbanlegend throughout England,
possibly inspired by fears ofindustrialization or gothic
fiction.
Some believe he was a pranksteraristocrat, others a
supernatural entity Inspiredcharacters in penny dreadful's
and later pop culture.
I've never heard of this.
Cousin Marc (12:33):
Yeah, when I listened to the last podcast on
the left, they did a wholecryptids episode and this was
one of them.
Hannah (12:41):
Yeah, I've never heard of this guy at all.
It's interesting.
Cousin Marc (12:44):
You know you had said clawed at with metal
fingertips.
It reminds me of EdwardScissorhands.
Hannah (12:50):
Oh, I love that movie.
That's a good film, but I lovehow it says it's possibly
inspired by fears ofindustrialization.
I think that's very interesting.
I mean, the world was movingreally fast back then.
It's interesting that theybring that up.
Cousin Marc (13:06):
Yeah, many stories also mentioned a devil-like
aspect it always comes back tothe devil.
Of course, devils associatedwith evil and death.
Hannah (13:16):
It's just, it's incredible, like when I was in
Salem with my brother and wewent to this wonderful house
museum.
They were talking about howthey made certain marks on their
doors and stuff just becausethey were so superstitious of
what evil could come after them.
And even though they were youknow quote unquote God fearing
people, they still had thoselike superstitious beliefs and
(13:38):
it's just so interesting to mehow they thought these simple
markings or cleansing type ofrituals could save them.
it's so interesting yeah, well,I'm not a very religious person
yeah that also is passover right, right, yeah, absolutely,
absolutely with the blood,absolutely yeah, yeah, again
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mass hysteria.
Cousin Marc (14:01):
Yeah, if you get people talking about it,
everybody's gonna believe itright.
Hannah (14:05):
Well, I think that's why it's important to like do your
own research.
It's kind of hard to do it intothe paranormal, but you guys
know what I'm saying.
Like, do your own research,your own documentation.
Don't just believe what youread on the internet or what
people say to you.
Like I'm going to look intothis myself.
And no, tiktok is not areliable source.
Everybody Just going to putthat out there, we all love it,
but it's not a reliable source.
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Should I go to the next one?
Yeah, all right, krampus,krampus.
Who doesn't love Krampus, oldUncle?
Rob (14:35):
Krampus.
Hannah (14:36):
You have an old uncle named Krampus.
Rob (14:38):
No, but that's what it sounds like, because we need to
talk about that Rob.
My great Uncle Krampus.
He was so Krampus all the time.
That's right.
Hannah (14:48):
A dark counterpart to Saint Nicholas in Central
European folklore, depicted as ahorned, hairy beast with chains
and a basket for abductingchildren.
Rob (14:57):
Ooh.
Hannah (14:58):
Punishes naughty kids during the Christmas season.
Rob (15:01):
Okay.
Hannah (15:01):
Originates from Alpine traditions and pagan winter
festivals, has seen a resurgencein popularity through parades
and horror films, which, is true, represents the dual nature of
the holiday season reward andpunishment.
Highlights how folklore adaptsand survives in modern culture,
which is kind of funny, becauseone of my favorite authors is
Brom B-R-O-M and he wroteSlewfoot, which is a fabulous of
(15:27):
uh, witchery in salem.
If you're looking into thatstuff, it's really good, also
the audiobook, but anyways, healso did a book called krampus
and it's not my to read list,but it's very true how it's come
back into society and kind oflike this good evil, santa claus
, krampus, cold, you're stalkingor you're going to get a gift.
(15:51):
So it's obviously a way to makekids be scared yeah, again, the
same thing that religion does.
Cousin Marc (15:58):
Yeah, one scares you into being good and kind and
you know things like that.
But With Krampus here, you knowyou have technically horns.
They look like goat horns, youknow, associated with the devil,
of course, super long tongue inmost of these pictures that I'm
looking at, that one's funny.
That's one of a Krampus sittingon a rocking horse with a child
(16:21):
.
My God, you know you wantcreepy, there you go.
Hannah (16:27):
Where does the goat representation for for the devil
come from?
Because I grew up in religionmy whole life and there's never
been anything with a goat.
Where did that come from?
Cousin Marc (16:36):
the only thing I can think of is somebody going.
Hannah (16:39):
Well, it had things out of top of its head like a goat
or a cow maybe this is somethingwe need to look into, or if a
wanderer happens to know,because I've read the Bible from
back to front and nothing aboutthe devil being a goat.
So if anyone knows, please letme know.
Rob (16:57):
Send us a message.
There's a link down in the shownotes.
It says send us a text.
Cousin Marc (17:01):
And reference this show in the text.
Hannah (17:04):
Very good point, cousin Mark.
Thank you All right.
The next one is the Beast ofGavannan, a wolf-like creature
blamed for attacking and killingpeople in 18th century France.
Ooh, francaise Victims wereoften women and children, killed
in brutal fashion.
Over 100 deaths were attributedto the beast between 1764 and
(17:24):
1767.
King Louis XV even sentsoldiers to hunt it down.
Theories include an unusuallylarge wolf, a hyena or a human
serial killer.
Medium folklore amplified itslegend for beyond the actual
events, considered a precursorto modern werewolf lore.
Ooh, so it must have beenpretty serious if King Louis
(17:46):
decided to send people after it.
I mean, I love werewolf lore.
It's up there with vampires forme.
I think that's amazing.
Cousin Marc (17:53):
Yeah, they got the cryptid theory.
The creature's unusualdescriptions and the lack of
evidence for a known animal ledsome to speculate it was a
cryptid, a creature unknown toscience.
But then again they also hadthe human culprit, perhaps a
serial killer because of themutilation and decapitations.
Hannah (18:13):
With all this different lore and people having different
descriptions for differentbeings, there has to be some
truth somewhere to it.
Cousin Marc (18:21):
But see, it's all going to come down to people
describing what they see.
Okay, you take the Egyptians.
Rob (18:33):
The Egyptians watched aliens come out of the sky in
their ships.
Cousin Marc (18:36):
They had no word for alien.
They had no word for spaceships, so they associated it with the
only thing they knew, which wastheir religion.
Wait, what aliens are youtalking about?
The aliens that came down andhelped the Egyptians build the
pyramids?
Hannah (18:53):
Oh, build the pyramids Right, because it wasn't the
Jews as everyone says.
Cousin Marc (18:58):
Yes, because they had no words for what they were
looking at, so they associatedit with higher level beings,
angels and things like that.
Hannah (19:10):
I feel like this is going off in my head.
Rob (19:11):
I need to do more research on this, because this is insane
Rob.
Hannah (19:14):
you look like you want to say something.
Rob (19:16):
I was just going to say you don't believe that aliens
visited the Egyptians, but youbelieve in Bigfoot.
Hannah (19:22):
Yes, I believe in Bigfoot, but there's also my
religious background of the Jewswere the ones that helped build
the pyramids because they wereenslaved, but that's my
religious background.
Like, yes, I believe in aliens.
Like absolutely, there can bebeings out there.
Coming from a religiousperspective, right, I can't
imagine god being like, okay,this is the only thing I'm gonna
make.
Like, come on, we're prettyboring and the universe is so
(19:44):
vast.
The universe is so big right,why just make us right it.
Cousin Marc (19:48):
Just that seems silly to me, but see I
understand hannah believing inbigfoot, a big, hairy, smelly
creature, because she lives withrob I need to fight his
relatives if you can't pick onyour family, who can you pick on
(20:08):
?
Hannah (20:09):
oh my god, I'm gonna pee myself wow oh my god just don't
burn the house down oh my god,that, oh, I'm not allowed to buy
those candles ever again by theway, no imagine, imagine how I
felt.
You know, 200 miles away, livingit through a screen, basically,
and you're like do I callanyone, what are they okay?
(20:31):
Like you're like do I callanyone, what are they Okay?
Like you're like hello ladies,I don't know if you survived,
please call again, but you'reletting the wanderers know
everything.
Guys, you need to go back tothat episode because it is
fantastic.
Poor cousin Mark was lettingthe wanderers know.
I think they're okay.
They threw water on.
I think they're all right.
That's a big flash.
Uh-oh, I guess they're burningthe house down.
Rob (20:50):
Yorkshire Ripper.
Part one, episode 78.
Hannah (20:52):
It's in their wonders.
Thank God no one got hurt, butit was definitely worth
listening to Crazy.
Cousin Marc (20:59):
All right, let's go Another cryptid.
That's all I got.
Oh, all right.
Hannah (21:03):
Well then we'll have to talk about Mothman.
All right, talk about Mothman.
Cousin Marc (21:05):
What do you got?
Rob (21:06):
Okay, so we got a bonus one .
Cousin Marc (21:07):
There we go, all right.
So the Mothman legend emergedin Point Pleasant, west Virginia
, okay, particularly in 1966 and1967, leading up to the
collapse of the Silver Bridge.
Ooh, what's a Silver Bridge Didwe know?
Just a bridge in Mount PointPleasant, west Virginia, okay.
(21:31):
Reports of the creature,described as a large winged
humanoid figure with red glowingeyes, became widespread in the
area.
While the exact origin isdebated, popular theories
include military experiments,folklore and even possible
misinterpretations of largebirds.
Hannah (21:49):
Hmm, there's the large bird shit again.
Cousin Marc (21:52):
Yeah, and even possible misinterpretations of
large birds.
There's the large bird shitagain.
Yeah, well, you got to have thewings in there.
But keep in mind that in placesoverseas Africa and whatnot
they have bats that are liketheir wingspan is like eight
feet long, right?
So seeing something that big isnot particularly out of the
ordinary maybe for here, but notin other parts of the world.
Rob (22:15):
Isn't the bald eagle their wingspan like enormous?
Cousin Marc (22:19):
Yeah, five, six, seven, eight feet, but they're
not as big as some of thesecryptids.
Rob (22:26):
Yeah, six to eight feet yeah.
Hannah (22:29):
So when they were talking about experimentation,
it just brought my mind to.
So cousin mark, you'll probablyknow what I'm talking about and
I would love to do an episodeon.
Her is one of the doctors fromworld war ii that was doing
trying to make a super soldier,and he started experimenting on
his own daughter oh yeah, shesaid to be like still alive
(22:50):
somewhere living out her days,like just I can't find any books
on it, which I'm kind ofsurprised.
Yeah, but he basically was justlike I'm really sorry for what
happened to you and just likeleft her there yeah, they were
just ruthless with what theywere doing in that.
Cousin Marc (23:10):
So it was Joseph Mengele M-E-N-G-E-L-E.
He did all kinds of experiments, not only with his own daughter
, but he also did them with theJewish children that they had
taken.
Those are so sad.
Some of the things that he wasdoing was deadly experiments on
prisoners with no medical basisat the Auschwitz camp.
Hannah (23:32):
Have you seen man in the High Castle?
It's a really good show aboutwhat would have happened if we
lost World War II and so Germanytook over part of America and
then the Japanese took over thewestern half.
Yeah, and they do experimentson people.
It's a really sad but reallygood show on Amazon Prime, if
you have it, but it kind ofreminds me of that as well.
Cousin Marc (23:53):
Yeah, his experiments focus primarily on
twins, with no regard for thehealth or safety of the victims.
I'd have to dig into it more,but again, trying to figure out
how to make a more superiorperson, he just did whatever he
wanted to, with no consequence.
Rob (24:13):
All right, do we want to do a card?
All right, pick a card.
Cousin Marc (24:21):
Any card, all right , so I have the seven of
diamonds.
This is Paula Jacobs.
Okay have the seven of diamonds.
This is paula jacobs okay.
Monday, october 3rd 2011, atapproximately 9 15 pm.
The victim was shot and fatallywounded in the courtyard behind
39 dearborn street in roxbury.
(24:42):
If you have any info about thiscase, please call
1-855-MA-SOLVE.
Hannah (24:50):
These really are sad and I wish we don't know right.
Maybe a wanderer has called inand knows something.
Rob (24:56):
Yeah.
Hannah (24:56):
I mean, we never know right?
Yeah, we won't know.
Rob (24:59):
No, and you don't have to text us to let us know that you
called in.
Yeah, no, we don't, but if youdo know something, you know.
Please call Call 1-855-MASOLVEand let's close one of these
cases.
I mean we have a whole deck, 52.
We've gone through half of themand maybe someone out there
that's listening knows somethingor has something, and you can
(25:19):
do it anonymously.
Cousin Marc (25:20):
You don't have to have your name put in there.
Hannah (25:23):
Right, right, cousin.
Mark, I can't thank you enoughfor coming on today.
So it's not me and Rob juststaring at each other.
Rob (25:29):
And Hannah I can't thank you enough for doing the five
lores that we have today andCousin Mark, the bonus lore.
Cousin Marc (25:36):
The bonus lore In the virtual flesh.
We always throw the stuff atthe wall to see what sticks.
Rob (25:43):
Yeah, exactly.
Hannah (25:45):
I feel like spaghetti.
Rob (25:48):
Well, thank you for listening everyone.
If you want some cozy T-shirtsor some sweet hoodies, head down
in the show notes and we'lltake you to our merch site.
If you haven't startedfollowing us on Instagram or
TikTok or Facebook, definitelyhit the follow.
If you go to our website, ithas all those links in there.
Hannah (26:05):
And we're hoping that we're going to get stickers soon
, because me and Courtney kindof want to invest in a cricket.
Rob (26:13):
So we're hoping that we're going to get stickers soon,
because me and Courtney kind ofwant to invest in a cricket.
So we're hoping for stickers.
Well, I just need to pull thetrigger and buy some stickers at
a sticker making company.
Cousin Marc (26:17):
The other thing I love too is my Wicked Wandering
Skull T.
That T-shirt is amazing.
Hannah (26:25):
Yay, cousin Mark, he's the best ever.
Rob (26:29):
I just want to say thank you to any new listeners.
If you're here for the firsttime, thank you very much.
We've noticed that our numbershave gone up tremendously.
We did a little ad campaign andhopefully you guys are sticking
around because you like thecontent that we have.
Hannah (26:42):
And, of course, text us If you're like hey, I want you
to do an episode on this or canyou talk more on this?
Please let us know.
We love to have feedback.
Rob (26:49):
Link or can you talk more on this?
Please let us know.
We love to have feedback.
Hannah (26:53):
Link is down in the show notes All right, hannah Mark.
Rob (26:55):
Thank you.
Hannah (26:55):
Wanderers.
Thank you, cousin, mark and Rob.
Cousin Marc (26:57):
Bye, Bye Rob.
Hannah (27:00):
Thanks for listening.
Today, wicked Wanderings ishosted by me, hannah.
Rob (27:05):
And co-hosted by me, courtney, and it's produced by
Rob Fitzpatrick.
Hannah (27:08):
Music by Sasha M.
If you enjoyed today's episode,don't forget to leave a rating
and review and be sure to followon all socials.
You can find the links down inthe show notes.
If you're looking for somereally cozy t-shirts or hoodies,
head over to the merch store.
Thank you for being a part ofthe Wicked Wanderings community.
We appreciate every one of you.
Stay curious, keep exploringand always remember to keep on
(27:30):
wandering.
Thank you.
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