May 14, 2025 • 27 mins
Hannah leads a chilling guessing game while Courtney tries to identify infamous historical monsters based on clues from Aaron Mahnke's "World of Lore" book.
• H.H. Holmes and his "Murder Castle" designed with trap doors, gas chambers, and body shoots to kill visitors during the 1893 Chicago World's Fair
• Holmes' history of insurance fraud, identity falsification, and his estimated 200 victims
• The tragic story of Bridget Cleary, a 26-year-old Irish woman burned alive in 1895 when her husband believed she was a fairy changeling
• How Irish folk superstitions about changelings led to brutal "treatments" for those suspected of being replaced by fairies
• The unsolved Villisca Axe Murders of 1912, where eight people were killed in their sleep
• The killer's methodical approach, including covering mirrors and victims' faces
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I feel like I'm out of practice.
You are Like.
You know how they say doingthings is like riding a bike.
I really hope podcasting islike riding a bike.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You abandoned us last week.
You need to apologize to ourWanderers.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
How dare my personal life?
No, guys.
I am sorry, though Sometimes weall crash out for a little bit.
She needed it, but we're good.
We're good, we're here.
Hannah's going to take the lead, so I can hopefully regain my
footing in podcasting.
I learned that when you'relistening to the podcast that
you're a host on and you're noton it, it's very hard, because I
(00:32):
tried to respond during mylisten through the podcast.
Every time somebody mentionedanything about a cannibal, I was
like thank God.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I wasn't there and so , like cousin Mark definitely
was like why wasn't Courtneyhere we talked about cannibalism
yeah, everybody knows how muchI love cannibalism.
Okay, Hi, I'm Hannah and I'mCourtney.
(01:00):
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Grab your flashlight and get ready to wander into the
darkness with us, Courtney.
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky.
Grab your flashlight and getready to wander into the
darkness with us.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
This is Wicked Wanderings.
Hi Courtney, Hi Hannah, I'm soglad you're back.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I'm so glad to be back.
We missed you.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You can't leave me with the guys ever again.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I missed you guys too , and honestly I really missed
having a Kenzie in my lap.
I did not miss the smells thatcome out of her, though she
likes to fart guys.
I don't know why I've becomeher new safe place since we come
out of her, though she likes tofart guys, I don't know why
I've become her new safe placesince we got rid of her original
bed.
Now all of a sudden on thepodcast she's just like
Courtney's lap.
This is great.
So if you ever hear any weirdsounds from my mic licking,
(01:56):
sniffing, stomach noises it'seither me or it's Kenzie.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, so I want to play a game, wanderers.
I have three different, notnecessarily cases, but they're
Ooh.
The book I actually took themfrom was an Aaron Manke book.
We love you, aaron Manke.
We always say this.
It's one of his lore books andit talks about humans being
monsters.
Yeah, well, and sometimes thathappens.
Some of us are With that.
(02:21):
I have three stories to tell,but I'm not going to tell you
guys who it's about.
Ooh, and I want Courtney toguess, and I also want Wanderers
.
I want you to guess.
So if you need to pause andthink, please do.
I don't get to pause and think.
This is a handicap for me.
And if you find out who this isbefore I finish, please text us
(02:42):
and tell us, because I'mcurious to know.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
And at what point specifically you figured it out?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
What hint did I give that you were like I knew who
this was or I knew what theywere talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Perfect, I'm so excited.
Are you ready to go?
I am Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I am going to start out with the quote that Aaron
Menke leads with in his theWorld of Lore, his Wicked
Mortals book, because I justthink it's so fitting.
It's actually from johnsteinbeck, who's an author from
his east of eden book, and itsays, and here I am quoting I
believe there are monsters bornin the world to human parents,
which I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That it's a really eloquent way to put that.
I believe so too.
It's really a nice way to saypeople are assholes, let's set
the stage for our first monster.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I'm ready.
January 17th, 1894.
Wedding bells are in the air.
Georgiana was going to marrythe man of her dreams.
What she doesn't know yet isthat this handsome stranger is
already married to two women,and their witness is his
mistress wow, man gets aroundwho is this man?
(03:48):
let's give you some clues.
You ready, I'm ready.
Born in new hampshire in 1861,wealthy parents.
His birth name is not the onehe is known for, so it's a
really good clue.
He had no problem falsifyinghis identity, actually several
times he showed a lot ofproblems as a child.
(04:09):
He ended up enrolling inmedical school university of
michigan, and with hisfascination in corpses came some
interesting hobbies, I don'tknow.
He would take corpses from themedical lab, disfigure them.
Then he would have them bediscovered and seen as a
terrible accident.
(04:30):
So then he would go to theinsurance company with a policy
to collect cash from his quoteunquote deceased relatives oh
God.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I can think of this guy's name, but I can't come up
with it.
Stop, really.
Yes, I was just readingsomething not that long ago
about him.
You know, no, I'm not.
I'm bad with names.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, keep going his final one landed him twelve
thousand five hundred dollarswhich back then was a lot of
money it was a lot of money.
He knew he was approachinggetting caught so he abandoned
med school and a wife and child.
In 1885 he settles in englewoodsouth of chicago, marries again
and he strikes up a businesspartnership with a woman, dr
(05:13):
elizabeth holden, who owned adrugstore.
After a couple years dr holdenbanishes, but not before signing
over her business.
Surprisingly, right when thelaw across from the drugstore
was available, he had a biggervision.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
A hotel.
I don't love it that theycalled the castle to house all
the visitors for the 1893World's Columbian Exposition.
Do you still think it's thesame person, court?
No, the plans were only knownto him.
He went through workers likecrazy More than 500 carpenters
and craftsmen because they wouldask questions Too many
(05:53):
questions that he just didn'twant to answer.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Understandably so for the type of thing he was doing.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
He moved his drugstore to the bottom floor
and rented it to otherbusinesses.
He rented temporary livingquarters to single young women.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Hmm, but they all went missing, huh.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
If you wanted to be employed at the hotel it was
required to have a $5,000 lifeinsurance policy.
A husband and wife with theirdaughter traveled to Chicago.
The husband, ned, was awatchmaker and jeweler.
He was hired right away.
The wife was hired as well as abookkeeper.
So he actually ended up firinghis bookkeeper just to have her.
(06:30):
She was a tall woman, nearlysix foot, and he was fascinated
by her.
Ned knew that his wife wascheating with this gentleman
that owned the hotel, but withthe steady job job he pretended
all was dandy until she waspregnant.
Ned filed for divorce and left,leaving his ex and daughter,
(06:52):
who soon got life insurancepolicies on them.
He informed her he would marryher if she got an abortion.
She didn't want to, but sheended up complying.
18, 1891, julia and Pearlbecause Pearl was a daughter,
julia was the new wife werenever seen again.
That same winter, a man namedcharles, who did odd jobs around
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the castle, was summoned tohelp with a peculiar project.
Apparently charles was skilledin articulating skeletons, which
I didn't even know was a thingand how do you become skilled in
that?
I don't know honestly I do notknow.
I had to look it up because I'mlike articulating skeletons,
but but I don't know.
Honestly, I had more questionswhen I googled it than I do now.
(07:39):
He was brought to a secondfloor room where a woman's body
lay skinned.
He was paid $36 to strip theflesh and prepare the bones.
The skeleton was sold to a DrPauling of Hanneman Medical
medical college.
Dr pauling would look at theskeleton and marvel at how
(08:01):
unusual it was to see a woman'sskeleton almost six feet tall
interesting because the wife wastall, so it was her do you
still want to know.
No, I don't this is so much fun.
Okay.
He was eventually caught inBoston, november 17th 1894.
The castle was then named themurder house and was
(08:25):
mysteriously gutted by fire, butnot before police saw what was
within, and this is only like asnapshot of what they found Trap
doors, gas chambers, bodyshoots, crem, yikes, poisons,
dissection table and a rack forstretching bodies.
(08:45):
May 7th 1896, at moya mencingprison in philadelphia, he was
hung by the neck, which snapped,but it took 15 minutes for him
to die monster his final mealwas boiled eggs, dry toast and a
cup of coffee.
You still don't know who this isI don't know who it is.
(09:06):
He was then buried in anunmarked grave and holy cross
cemetery per his request.
There was no autopsy and hisbody was buried in a coffin
filled with cement.
He was afraid of his body beingdug up and coffin filled with
cement.
He was afraid of his body beingdug up and used for science
karma.
He was afraid of exactlypossible.
Death toll was 200 victims.
(09:26):
And I'm gonna read his quoteand here I am quoting I was born
with the devil in me, he wrote.
I could not help the fact that Iwas a murderer, no more than
the poet can help theinspiration to sing.
I was born with the evil onestanding as my sponsor beside
the bed where I was ushered intothe world, and he has been with
me since mental illness.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Who is it?
I don't know, I don't know, hhhomes.
Okay, I wouldn't have guessedthat one.
Really, I wouldn't have guessedthat one.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I thought the chicago and the hotel and the trapdoors
would kind of be like a bighint I wouldn't have guessed
that one are we ready for thenext one?
Yes, we're ready.
This isn't a person,necessarily it is a being, no
man.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I'm already confused, okay, okay.
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Before modern medicine cultures.
Talking about Irelandspecifically Okay, believes that
people would be exchanged withthis.
Okay, close to the fairy world.
People would do superstitiousacts such as holding a child
over a fire Terrible or drinkingbrewed tea with fox glove,
(10:40):
which is extremely poisonous.
Okay, to prove if they werethis, you could put a shoe in a
soup bowl or make a loaf ofbread inside half an eggshell
and if the baby laughed, theywere this I have never heard.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I can confidently say I am sure lynn from springfield
right now is yelling the answer.
She probably is.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
She is shouting it, I'm sure of it and if my brother
listened I'm sure he does knowtoo.
To have suspicions would be tonotice mood swings okay, become
argumentative and losinginterest in families and friends
and, honestly, this thatdescribes half a culture right.
I feel like I'm all of threethings.
For babies, it would be birthdefects or even not wanting to
(11:25):
breastfeed, like their inabilityto like latch correct okay
these supposed things infants,if they lived were known as
quote dim-w or, which is aGaelic word of oof, which is
where we get the word oaf, okay.
So people say, oh, they're anoaf.
(11:45):
Yeah, that's where it comesfrom.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Interesting.
That was interesting.
I didn't know that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
We are going to talk about a woman named Bridget
Cleary.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Bridget Cleary.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Lived with her father and husband.
She was, how they would say,unusual, a witch.
A witch, a teet Fucking Putnams.
She had her own business makingdresses and keeping hens, so
she had eggs and she providedfor herself.
So this is the unusual part.
Yeah, everybody Terrible.
She was independent, she wasclever.
I guess she was flirtatious.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Or was she just perceived as flirtatious?
Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
She was a witch.
She was a witch with a teat.
One day she went to delivereggs to her father's cousin,
jack Dunn.
The weather changed as it doesin Ireland, right as it does
anywhere, and she became ill.
And on March 4th 1895, a fewdays later, don the cousin, came
to visit and claimed thatwasn't Bridget.
That's a blank.
(12:45):
He waited until a couple dayslater to claim it.
So she became ill.
And when he hadn't seen her fora few days he's like oh, that's
not Bridget anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Oh, okay.
So I thought at first I waslike she shows up at the house's
, like here are your eggs andthen he thinks something, but he
waits three days.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I was like no, no, no , no, no, something wrong with
that man.
Sorry, I did not communicatethat enough.
He came to check on her becausehe hadn't seen her in a few
days and then he thought she'sstill sick in bed and he's like
that's not bridget huh, wheelsturning, no, okay.
March 9th bridget's father wentto find the doctor.
Time went by, no doctor, and,as we all know, this wasn't like
you just walk in a walk-inclinic.
(13:22):
It was completely different.
Then her husband went, nodoctor.
When her husband left again,the doctor actually came while
he was out trying to find thedoctor.
So the doctor, he made thehouse call, he gave her meds, he
left.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And he didn't think there was anything.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
No, okay, doctor, he made the house call, he gave her
meds, he left and he didn'tthink there was anything.
No, okay, no, march 13th which,by the way I have to say, I
think something like pneumoniais what's taking over this poor
child.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Honestly right, right , how old was she?
She was 26.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay, march 13th, the family decided to call the
priest to give her her lastrites, dear god.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Just in case, okay, that seems horrible for the
person lying in bed hoping toget better soon, I know right
Later that evening peoplegathered to give her fairy
medicine, but she refused.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They held a red hot poker in her face till she ended
up giving in.
Next day that cousin done.
Yeah, he comes back, we're donewith him.
He starts to spread rumorsabout Bridget being taken by the
fairies and replaced with aBlank Blank.
A man named Dennis Ganey wasknown as a quote fairy doctor
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and he was brought to the house.
The treatments were barbaric.
Oh, she's going to quote and I'mgoing to quote His treatments
wouldn't necessarily fit intomodern medical textbooks, mind
you.
They included the use of thehot poker forcing the blank to
drink first milk from a cow thathad just given birth, dousing
the person in urine and exposingthem to flames.
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Bridget was slapped and held infront of the fireplace while
her husband demanded that shestate before God and family that
she was indeed Bridget Cleary.
Even though she answered yes,the gathered crowd didn't
believe her.
Some background on the husbandMichael and this is not to
excuse him because his actionsare horrific, I never liked
(15:09):
Michael right, but like just togive some background on probably
where this guy's head was at.
His mother passed when he wasyoung and his father actually
died like hours prior to hismother dying, so it was just a
terrible thing to go through.
Right, he had no children.
They lived with hisfather-in-law in a spare room
Right In a 19th centuryequivalent of public housing.
(15:31):
So this housing apparently wasdone kind of after the potato
famine to try to like helprecuperate the area and
everything.
So like the equivalent of likelower income housing.
Okay, His wife was rumored tobe cheating which we don't know
if that's true or not Likepromiscuous, and she was
independent financially, she didnot need him for did not?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
she didn't hate him for anything.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
He probably felt really unnecessary in life,
right everyone started to try toleave the house because
everyone had gathered to seebridget, but michael locked the
door and said no one is to leaveuntil I get my wife back.
Bridget was asked to declareherself a fairy and she refused.
Michael stripped her to herunderwear and pushed her to the
(16:12):
floor.
He claimed that this was nothis wife and everyone will see
her soon go up the chimney.
He doused her in lamp oil andlit her on fire in front of
everyone.
She died at 26.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Why did nobody stop him, is my immediate first
thought.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
A lot of superstition is what I yeah, I'm guessing he
actually had to coax one of hercousins to bury her with a
knife.
So he has like a knife at thisguy's throat and he's like we
need to bury her.
So they wrapped her in a sheetand buried her in a shallow
grave.
Michael believed she would showup at the fairy rings in a
(16:49):
white gown on a pale horse andhe would cut her bindings with a
blackened knife.
Like he firmly believed, thiswas going to happen.
March 22nd, two police find herbody and the only clothes left
were her black stockings.
What is the word?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I do not.
I I feel very uncultured rightnow.
But no, I don't know changeling.
I would have never come up withthat.
But you know, what's funny is Ithink I remember being at your
mom's house and hearing her andjonathan talking about it the
changelings yeah, yeah, theybelieve that it wasn't her, that
she was a changeling lynn fromspringfield.
I need you to facebook messageme and tell me if you were
yelling the whole time.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Come on cordy, yeah, they firmly believe that Bridget
was taken by the fairies andshe was living her best life in
fairy land.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So fairies were not negative, or where they were.
It's kind of hard because atsome point they're like telling
her you have to say that you area fairy, and that's kind of
like trickery.
It's like it reminds me of thewitch trials.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It really does.
Yes, I think Bridget knew to anextent of like what was
happening.
I think Bridget knew to anextent of like what was
happening and, again, if youlook at the witch trials, it was
kind of like when you havewomen that are okay who they are
and not counting on apatriarchal society, they're
being forced to say things thatthey don't mean Dear God, if we
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have another witch trial.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm so fucked.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
They actually were talking about, like a woman that
supposedly went to the fairylands and came back with no toes
because she danced her toes offwhen she was in fairy land and
I think that's what'sinteresting about like folklore
and things in general is that itdoesn't make any sense, but
people and you have to likeremind yourself, people
wholeheartedly believed this.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
This was something people really believed down to
their core.
Was true, yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
absolutely and honestly.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
We've talked about stuff like I believe in bigfoot,
as we all know, and like man,we are 10 minutes and 26 seconds
into our fourth recording ofthe day, because we're a shit
show and she's bringing inbigfoot.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
But I'm just saying like, yeah, could there be
another realm that we don'tunderstand?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Absolutely.
It would answer some of thequestions I have, like the
Bermuda Triangle.
Come on Right.
What is going on with?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
that Right, or even the triangle that we have here
in Western Mass Right.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I mean, something doesn't make sense, strange
phenomenon.
Are we ready for the third one?
Is there only three?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
There's only three.
I tried to work on a fourth one, but the next one in the book I
was like, eh, and then Istarted to read the next one.
I was like I'm ready, I'mshooting.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Oh no, here, let's hope I can get one, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I mean, if we like how I'm doing this, I can
absolutely do more, because Ithink it'd be a lot of fun.
All right, I just need to reada book occasion Stop.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I've been really down the murder rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, I have a murder for you.
Okay, you ready, I am so ready.
What is this case?
And I can't tell you wherebecause he would give it away.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
So location is important.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yes, joe and his wife Sarah had four children.
On June 10, 1912, when thechildren decided to have a
sleepover and invited twofriends, all eight ended up
retiring to bed.
A stranger entered the homethrough the back door with his
axe.
Your wheels are turning.
(19:58):
I just I want to give you timeto think.
He killed Joe and Sarah first,then their children, then the
two guests.
No sound, no warning.
The killer wasn't done.
He ended up going back andstruck Joe's face a total of 30
times, then moved to Sarah Yikes.
He covered every victim's face,including mirrors and
(20:19):
reflective surfaces which, forthose of you that don't know,
they used to cover mirrors,because when they had a death
and they, you know, obviouslybrought the body in for the wake
, they didn't want the spiritsto get confused, and so they
made sure that all of thosecoverings so they could actually
leave and pass on to the nextlife.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So he was thoughtful about it, I guess, yes, he
really didn't want anyone to betrapped.
He stayed, though.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
This person stayed and he washed his hands in a
bowl of water.
It was actually not until like5 am that he left, so he just
kind of like hung out.
He took the house keys and left.
It's not who I thought it was.
We have done an episode aboutthis.
Not with you.
It was me and Jess, my oldco-host, so a house full of
(21:06):
murdered people with an axe.
Come on, gordy.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You got this.
It was an episode.
It's funny because I listen toevery episode.
My memory is shot.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
It's 30, damn it, 30 ruined it.
I couldn't tell you the town,because the town is in the name
of the murders.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
No, that was the no, because the one in Colorado was
a hammer, wasn't it the Coloradoone?
Wasn't there one that was likethe Denver?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You're not talking about the Yosemite killer.
That we just did.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
No, no, no.
There was an episode that waslike the Denver hammer killer or
something Jess would know ifshe was here.
Probably, yeah, it's not thatone.
Nope, I'm pretty sure that onewas a hammer.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I will tell you this it was Jess's episode.
I did not do it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I can like hear her voice.
I don't know.
You're going to say it and I'mgoing to want to punch myself
directly in the nose.
Probably.
I'm scared to say it though.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Go ahead.
The Villisca axe murders, I axemurders.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I would not have guessed that, really.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Nope, because it happened in.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Villisca, I wouldn't have guessed that.
Am I not giving good enoughhints?
No, I think I'm just bad atthis game.
Okay, let's do this again withCousin Mark.
We really should.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
He'd probably be very good at it.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
You would have to do serial killers with him, though
I think Probably.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Or because I have three books that are done by
Aaron Makey, and one of them isplaces and the other one is like
actual creatures.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm also terrible with names, so I'm wondering, if
it were places, if I would dobetter, or if I'm just telling
myself that to make myself feelbetter well, hold on for science
, for science, because we arescientists.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I'm not a teacher.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I'm not a teacher.
My happy teacher appreciationweek, by the way, to everybody
who is a teacher.
Are those books part of aseries?
Yeah, he has three of them.
Three series or three books,three books.
They look really satisfying andI want them for my collection.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
But if you're going to do, stuff with them.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I don't want to buy them until you're done they're
amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
And he actually Holy pages marked yes and he actually
reads them on Audible.
So it's actually verysatisfying to listen to his
voice because he has a greatvoice.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I like to listen to authors who read their own books
.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It's great to listen to him on Lore the show.
Anyways, too, I didn't know hehad a show In a podcast.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You've never watched a Lore show.
No, hannah's looking at me likewith eyes that could cut right
through my skin.
Girl, we need to watch.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, there was Mallory, who was known to take
her slaves and brutallydisfigure them and cause a lot
of harm.
Okay, where was she from?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean you said there was a woman with slaves.
Were they in the United States?
Yes, why does my immediate mindgo Georgia Close.
I can confidently say I neverheard of this one either.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Really yeah, new Orleans.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
We also did a podcast on that, jesus Christ, but that
was adjusted one.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Somebody needs to get my brain checked.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I listen to all those episodes, sometimes twice.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Okay, I feel like I'm causing a lot of pressure.
Hannah makes me feel like Ineed to have an Alzheimer's exam
, so, on that note, that's fun.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Oh my god, anyways, that's fun.
Oh my God, anyways, that's whatI have.
Wanderers, that was fun.
Should we do a card or weshould just leave it at that
today, let's leave it at thattoday.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Let's leave it at that today.
What I do want to know is ifyou like this kind of episode
because it is new to us, it isdifferent Write in, let us know.
If it's something you guys arelike, skip next we don't want to
hear any more of, let us know.
We're trying to get everybodyto give us feedback.
Yes, we're bcbas.
We work in a feedback drivenfield, so I'm so sorry if we
sound like desperateex-girlfriends begging you to
(24:35):
text us, but we are but we areand please text us because
you're listening for a reason,right, we want to know why, and
if it's a talk shit say that too.
Yeah, that's fine.
We're great at talking shit.
We do it a great professionally.
We just cut that part out,exactly, exactly.
On that note, goodbye Wanderers.
It was so great to rejoin you.
I've really missed you.
Podcasting may not be likeriding a bicycle, but I'll get
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back.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I promise Bye, wanderers, bye.
Thanks for listening today.
Wicked Wanderings is hosted byme, Hannah, and co-hosted by me,
courtney, and it's produced byRob Fitzpatrick.
Music by Sasha N.
If you enjoyed today's episode,don't forget to leave a rating
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Thank you for being a part ofthe Wicked Wanderings community.
We appreciate every one of you.
Stay curious, keep exploringand always remember to keep on
wandering.
Thank you.
I feel like I'm out of practice.
You are Like.
You know how they say doingthings is like riding a bike.
I really hope podcasting islike riding a bike.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You abandoned us last week.
You need to apologize to ourWanderers.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
How dare my personal life?
No, guys.
I am sorry, though Sometimes weall crash out for a little bit.
She needed it, but we're good.
We're good, we're here.
Hannah's going to take the lead, so I can hopefully regain my
footing in podcasting.
I learned that when you'relistening to the podcast that
you're a host on and you're noton it, it's very hard, because I
(00:32):
tried to respond during mylisten through the podcast.
Every time somebody mentionedanything about a cannibal, I was
like thank God.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I wasn't there and so , like cousin Mark definitely
was like why wasn't Courtneyhere we talked about cannibalism
yeah, everybody knows how muchI love cannibalism.
Okay, Hi, I'm Hannah and I'mCourtney.
(01:00):
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Grab your flashlight and get ready to wander into the
darkness with us, Courtney.
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky.
Grab your flashlight and getready to wander into the
darkness with us.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
This is Wicked Wanderings.
Hi Courtney, Hi Hannah, I'm soglad you're back.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I'm so glad to be back.
We missed you.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You can't leave me with the guys ever again.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I missed you guys too , and honestly I really missed
having a Kenzie in my lap.
I did not miss the smells thatcome out of her, though she
likes to fart guys.
I don't know why I've becomeher new safe place since we come
out of her, though she likes tofart guys, I don't know why
I've become her new safe placesince we got rid of her original
bed.
Now all of a sudden on thepodcast she's just like
Courtney's lap.
This is great.
So if you ever hear any weirdsounds from my mic licking,
(01:56):
sniffing, stomach noises it'seither me or it's Kenzie.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, so I want to play a game, wanderers.
I have three different, notnecessarily cases, but they're
Ooh.
The book I actually took themfrom was an Aaron Manke book.
We love you, aaron Manke.
We always say this.
It's one of his lore books andit talks about humans being
monsters.
Yeah, well, and sometimes thathappens.
Some of us are With that.
(02:21):
I have three stories to tell,but I'm not going to tell you
guys who it's about.
Ooh, and I want Courtney toguess, and I also want Wanderers
.
I want you to guess.
So if you need to pause andthink, please do.
I don't get to pause and think.
This is a handicap for me.
And if you find out who this isbefore I finish, please text us
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and tell us, because I'mcurious to know.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
And at what point specifically you figured it out?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
What hint did I give that you were like I knew who
this was or I knew what theywere talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Perfect, I'm so excited.
Are you ready to go?
I am Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I am going to start out with the quote that Aaron
Menke leads with in his theWorld of Lore, his Wicked
Mortals book, because I justthink it's so fitting.
It's actually from johnsteinbeck, who's an author from
his east of eden book, and itsays, and here I am quoting I
believe there are monsters bornin the world to human parents,
which I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That it's a really eloquent way to put that.
I believe so too.
It's really a nice way to saypeople are assholes, let's set
the stage for our first monster.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I'm ready.
January 17th, 1894.
Wedding bells are in the air.
Georgiana was going to marrythe man of her dreams.
What she doesn't know yet isthat this handsome stranger is
already married to two women,and their witness is his
mistress wow, man gets aroundwho is this man?
(03:48):
let's give you some clues.
You ready, I'm ready.
Born in new hampshire in 1861,wealthy parents.
His birth name is not the onehe is known for, so it's a
really good clue.
He had no problem falsifyinghis identity, actually several
times he showed a lot ofproblems as a child.
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He ended up enrolling inmedical school university of
michigan, and with hisfascination in corpses came some
interesting hobbies, I don'tknow.
He would take corpses from themedical lab, disfigure them.
Then he would have them bediscovered and seen as a
terrible accident.
(04:30):
So then he would go to theinsurance company with a policy
to collect cash from his quoteunquote deceased relatives oh
God.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I can think of this guy's name, but I can't come up
with it.
Stop, really.
Yes, I was just readingsomething not that long ago
about him.
You know, no, I'm not.
I'm bad with names.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, keep going his final one landed him twelve
thousand five hundred dollarswhich back then was a lot of
money it was a lot of money.
He knew he was approachinggetting caught so he abandoned
med school and a wife and child.
In 1885 he settles in englewoodsouth of chicago, marries again
and he strikes up a businesspartnership with a woman, dr
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elizabeth holden, who owned adrugstore.
After a couple years dr holdenbanishes, but not before signing
over her business.
Surprisingly, right when thelaw across from the drugstore
was available, he had a biggervision.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
A hotel.
I don't love it that theycalled the castle to house all
the visitors for the 1893World's Columbian Exposition.
Do you still think it's thesame person, court?
No, the plans were only knownto him.
He went through workers likecrazy More than 500 carpenters
and craftsmen because they wouldask questions Too many
(05:53):
questions that he just didn'twant to answer.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Understandably so for the type of thing he was doing.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
He moved his drugstore to the bottom floor
and rented it to otherbusinesses.
He rented temporary livingquarters to single young women.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Hmm, but they all went missing, huh.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
If you wanted to be employed at the hotel it was
required to have a $5,000 lifeinsurance policy.
A husband and wife with theirdaughter traveled to Chicago.
The husband, ned, was awatchmaker and jeweler.
He was hired right away.
The wife was hired as well as abookkeeper.
So he actually ended up firinghis bookkeeper just to have her.
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She was a tall woman, nearlysix foot, and he was fascinated
by her.
Ned knew that his wife wascheating with this gentleman
that owned the hotel, but withthe steady job job he pretended
all was dandy until she waspregnant.
Ned filed for divorce and left,leaving his ex and daughter,
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who soon got life insurancepolicies on them.
He informed her he would marryher if she got an abortion.
She didn't want to, but sheended up complying.
18, 1891, julia and Pearlbecause Pearl was a daughter,
julia was the new wife werenever seen again.
That same winter, a man namedcharles, who did odd jobs around
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the castle, was summoned tohelp with a peculiar project.
Apparently charles was skilledin articulating skeletons, which
I didn't even know was a thingand how do you become skilled in
that?
I don't know honestly I do notknow.
I had to look it up because I'mlike articulating skeletons,
but but I don't know.
Honestly, I had more questionswhen I googled it than I do now.
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He was brought to a secondfloor room where a woman's body
lay skinned.
He was paid $36 to strip theflesh and prepare the bones.
The skeleton was sold to a DrPauling of Hanneman Medical
medical college.
Dr pauling would look at theskeleton and marvel at how
(08:01):
unusual it was to see a woman'sskeleton almost six feet tall
interesting because the wife wastall, so it was her do you
still want to know.
No, I don't this is so much fun.
Okay.
He was eventually caught inBoston, november 17th 1894.
The castle was then named themurder house and was
(08:25):
mysteriously gutted by fire, butnot before police saw what was
within, and this is only like asnapshot of what they found Trap
doors, gas chambers, bodyshoots, crem, yikes, poisons,
dissection table and a rack forstretching bodies.
(08:45):
May 7th 1896, at moya mencingprison in philadelphia, he was
hung by the neck, which snapped,but it took 15 minutes for him
to die monster his final mealwas boiled eggs, dry toast and a
cup of coffee.
You still don't know who this isI don't know who it is.
(09:06):
He was then buried in anunmarked grave and holy cross
cemetery per his request.
There was no autopsy and hisbody was buried in a coffin
filled with cement.
He was afraid of his body beingdug up and coffin filled with
cement.
He was afraid of his body beingdug up and used for science
karma.
He was afraid of exactlypossible.
Death toll was 200 victims.
(09:26):
And I'm gonna read his quoteand here I am quoting I was born
with the devil in me, he wrote.
I could not help the fact that Iwas a murderer, no more than
the poet can help theinspiration to sing.
I was born with the evil onestanding as my sponsor beside
the bed where I was ushered intothe world, and he has been with
me since mental illness.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Who is it?
I don't know, I don't know, hhhomes.
Okay, I wouldn't have guessedthat one.
Really, I wouldn't have guessedthat one.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I thought the chicago and the hotel and the trapdoors
would kind of be like a bighint I wouldn't have guessed
that one are we ready for thenext one?
Yes, we're ready.
This isn't a person,necessarily it is a being, no
man.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I'm already confused, okay, okay.
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Before modern medicine cultures.
Talking about Irelandspecifically Okay, believes that
people would be exchanged withthis.
Okay, close to the fairy world.
People would do superstitiousacts such as holding a child
over a fire Terrible or drinkingbrewed tea with fox glove,
(10:40):
which is extremely poisonous.
Okay, to prove if they werethis, you could put a shoe in a
soup bowl or make a loaf ofbread inside half an eggshell
and if the baby laughed, theywere this I have never heard.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I can confidently say I am sure lynn from springfield
right now is yelling the answer.
She probably is.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
She is shouting it, I'm sure of it and if my brother
listened I'm sure he does knowtoo.
To have suspicions would be tonotice mood swings okay, become
argumentative and losinginterest in families and friends
and, honestly, this thatdescribes half a culture right.
I feel like I'm all of threethings.
For babies, it would be birthdefects or even not wanting to
(11:25):
breastfeed, like their inabilityto like latch correct okay
these supposed things infants,if they lived were known as
quote dim-w or, which is aGaelic word of oof, which is
where we get the word oaf, okay.
So people say, oh, they're anoaf.
(11:45):
Yeah, that's where it comesfrom.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Interesting.
That was interesting.
I didn't know that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
We are going to talk about a woman named Bridget
Cleary.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Bridget Cleary.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Lived with her father and husband.
She was, how they would say,unusual, a witch.
A witch, a teet Fucking Putnams.
She had her own business makingdresses and keeping hens, so
she had eggs and she providedfor herself.
So this is the unusual part.
Yeah, everybody Terrible.
She was independent, she wasclever.
I guess she was flirtatious.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Or was she just perceived as flirtatious?
Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
She was a witch.
She was a witch with a teat.
One day she went to delivereggs to her father's cousin,
jack Dunn.
The weather changed as it doesin Ireland, right as it does
anywhere, and she became ill.
And on March 4th 1895, a fewdays later, don the cousin, came
to visit and claimed thatwasn't Bridget.
That's a blank.
(12:45):
He waited until a couple dayslater to claim it.
So she became ill.
And when he hadn't seen her fora few days he's like oh, that's
not Bridget anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Oh, okay.
So I thought at first I waslike she shows up at the house's
, like here are your eggs andthen he thinks something, but he
waits three days.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I was like no, no, no , no, no, something wrong with
that man.
Sorry, I did not communicatethat enough.
He came to check on her becausehe hadn't seen her in a few
days and then he thought she'sstill sick in bed and he's like
that's not bridget huh, wheelsturning, no, okay.
March 9th bridget's father wentto find the doctor.
Time went by, no doctor, and,as we all know, this wasn't like
you just walk in a walk-inclinic.
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It was completely different.
Then her husband went, nodoctor.
When her husband left again,the doctor actually came while
he was out trying to find thedoctor.
So the doctor, he made thehouse call, he gave her meds, he
left.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And he didn't think there was anything.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
No, okay, doctor, he made the house call, he gave her
meds, he left and he didn'tthink there was anything.
No, okay, no, march 13th which,by the way I have to say, I
think something like pneumoniais what's taking over this poor
child.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Honestly right, right , how old was she?
She was 26.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay, march 13th, the family decided to call the
priest to give her her lastrites, dear god.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Just in case, okay, that seems horrible for the
person lying in bed hoping toget better soon, I know right
Later that evening peoplegathered to give her fairy
medicine, but she refused.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They held a red hot poker in her face till she ended
up giving in.
Next day that cousin done.
Yeah, he comes back, we're donewith him.
He starts to spread rumorsabout Bridget being taken by the
fairies and replaced with aBlank Blank.
A man named Dennis Ganey wasknown as a quote fairy doctor
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and he was brought to the house.
The treatments were barbaric.
Oh, she's going to quote and I'mgoing to quote His treatments
wouldn't necessarily fit intomodern medical textbooks, mind
you.
They included the use of thehot poker forcing the blank to
drink first milk from a cow thathad just given birth, dousing
the person in urine and exposingthem to flames.
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Bridget was slapped and held infront of the fireplace while
her husband demanded that shestate before God and family that
she was indeed Bridget Cleary.
Even though she answered yes,the gathered crowd didn't
believe her.
Some background on the husbandMichael and this is not to
excuse him because his actionsare horrific, I never liked
(15:09):
Michael right, but like just togive some background on probably
where this guy's head was at.
His mother passed when he wasyoung and his father actually
died like hours prior to hismother dying, so it was just a
terrible thing to go through.
Right, he had no children.
They lived with hisfather-in-law in a spare room
Right In a 19th centuryequivalent of public housing.
(15:31):
So this housing apparently wasdone kind of after the potato
famine to try to like helprecuperate the area and
everything.
So like the equivalent of likelower income housing.
Okay, His wife was rumored tobe cheating which we don't know
if that's true or not Likepromiscuous, and she was
independent financially, she didnot need him for did not?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
she didn't hate him for anything.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
He probably felt really unnecessary in life,
right everyone started to try toleave the house because
everyone had gathered to seebridget, but michael locked the
door and said no one is to leaveuntil I get my wife back.
Bridget was asked to declareherself a fairy and she refused.
Michael stripped her to herunderwear and pushed her to the
(16:12):
floor.
He claimed that this was nothis wife and everyone will see
her soon go up the chimney.
He doused her in lamp oil andlit her on fire in front of
everyone.
She died at 26.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Why did nobody stop him, is my immediate first
thought.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
A lot of superstition is what I yeah, I'm guessing he
actually had to coax one of hercousins to bury her with a
knife.
So he has like a knife at thisguy's throat and he's like we
need to bury her.
So they wrapped her in a sheetand buried her in a shallow
grave.
Michael believed she would showup at the fairy rings in a
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white gown on a pale horse andhe would cut her bindings with a
blackened knife.
Like he firmly believed, thiswas going to happen.
March 22nd, two police find herbody and the only clothes left
were her black stockings.
What is the word?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I do not.
I I feel very uncultured rightnow.
But no, I don't know changeling.
I would have never come up withthat.
But you know, what's funny is Ithink I remember being at your
mom's house and hearing her andjonathan talking about it the
changelings yeah, yeah, theybelieve that it wasn't her, that
she was a changeling lynn fromspringfield.
I need you to facebook messageme and tell me if you were
yelling the whole time.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Come on cordy, yeah, they firmly believe that Bridget
was taken by the fairies andshe was living her best life in
fairy land.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So fairies were not negative, or where they were.
It's kind of hard because atsome point they're like telling
her you have to say that you area fairy, and that's kind of
like trickery.
It's like it reminds me of thewitch trials.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It really does.
Yes, I think Bridget knew to anextent of like what was
happening.
I think Bridget knew to anextent of like what was
happening and, again, if youlook at the witch trials, it was
kind of like when you havewomen that are okay who they are
and not counting on apatriarchal society, they're
being forced to say things thatthey don't mean Dear God, if we
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have another witch trial.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm so fucked.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
They actually were talking about, like a woman that
supposedly went to the fairylands and came back with no toes
because she danced her toes offwhen she was in fairy land and
I think that's what'sinteresting about like folklore
and things in general is that itdoesn't make any sense, but
people and you have to likeremind yourself, people
wholeheartedly believed this.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
This was something people really believed down to
their core.
Was true, yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
absolutely and honestly.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
We've talked about stuff like I believe in bigfoot,
as we all know, and like man,we are 10 minutes and 26 seconds
into our fourth recording ofthe day, because we're a shit
show and she's bringing inbigfoot.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
But I'm just saying like, yeah, could there be
another realm that we don'tunderstand?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Absolutely.
It would answer some of thequestions I have, like the
Bermuda Triangle.
Come on Right.
What is going on with?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
that Right, or even the triangle that we have here
in Western Mass Right.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I mean, something doesn't make sense, strange
phenomenon.
Are we ready for the third one?
Is there only three?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
There's only three.
I tried to work on a fourth one, but the next one in the book I
was like, eh, and then Istarted to read the next one.
I was like I'm ready, I'mshooting.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Oh no, here, let's hope I can get one, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I mean, if we like how I'm doing this, I can
absolutely do more, because Ithink it'd be a lot of fun.
All right, I just need to reada book occasion Stop.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I've been really down the murder rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, I have a murder for you.
Okay, you ready, I am so ready.
What is this case?
And I can't tell you wherebecause he would give it away.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
So location is important.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yes, joe and his wife Sarah had four children.
On June 10, 1912, when thechildren decided to have a
sleepover and invited twofriends, all eight ended up
retiring to bed.
A stranger entered the homethrough the back door with his
axe.
Your wheels are turning.
(19:58):
I just I want to give you timeto think.
He killed Joe and Sarah first,then their children, then the
two guests.
No sound, no warning.
The killer wasn't done.
He ended up going back andstruck Joe's face a total of 30
times, then moved to Sarah Yikes.
He covered every victim's face,including mirrors and
(20:19):
reflective surfaces which, forthose of you that don't know,
they used to cover mirrors,because when they had a death
and they, you know, obviouslybrought the body in for the wake
, they didn't want the spiritsto get confused, and so they
made sure that all of thosecoverings so they could actually
leave and pass on to the nextlife.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So he was thoughtful about it, I guess, yes, he
really didn't want anyone to betrapped.
He stayed, though.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
This person stayed and he washed his hands in a
bowl of water.
It was actually not until like5 am that he left, so he just
kind of like hung out.
He took the house keys and left.
It's not who I thought it was.
We have done an episode aboutthis.
Not with you.
It was me and Jess, my oldco-host, so a house full of
(21:06):
murdered people with an axe.
Come on, gordy.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You got this.
It was an episode.
It's funny because I listen toevery episode.
My memory is shot.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
It's 30, damn it, 30 ruined it.
I couldn't tell you the town,because the town is in the name
of the murders.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
No, that was the no, because the one in Colorado was
a hammer, wasn't it the Coloradoone?
Wasn't there one that was likethe Denver?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You're not talking about the Yosemite killer.
That we just did.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
No, no, no.
There was an episode that waslike the Denver hammer killer or
something Jess would know ifshe was here.
Probably, yeah, it's not thatone.
Nope, I'm pretty sure that onewas a hammer.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I will tell you this it was Jess's episode.
I did not do it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I can like hear her voice.
I don't know.
You're going to say it and I'mgoing to want to punch myself
directly in the nose.
Probably.
I'm scared to say it though.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Go ahead.
The Villisca axe murders, I axemurders.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I would not have guessed that, really.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Nope, because it happened in.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Villisca, I wouldn't have guessed that.
Am I not giving good enoughhints?
No, I think I'm just bad atthis game.
Okay, let's do this again withCousin Mark.
We really should.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
He'd probably be very good at it.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
You would have to do serial killers with him, though
I think Probably.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Or because I have three books that are done by
Aaron Makey, and one of them isplaces and the other one is like
actual creatures.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm also terrible with names, so I'm wondering, if
it were places, if I would dobetter, or if I'm just telling
myself that to make myself feelbetter well, hold on for science
, for science, because we arescientists.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I'm not a teacher.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I'm not a teacher.
My happy teacher appreciationweek, by the way, to everybody
who is a teacher.
Are those books part of aseries?
Yeah, he has three of them.
Three series or three books,three books.
They look really satisfying andI want them for my collection.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
But if you're going to do, stuff with them.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I don't want to buy them until you're done they're
amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
And he actually Holy pages marked yes and he actually
reads them on Audible.
So it's actually verysatisfying to listen to his
voice because he has a greatvoice.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I like to listen to authors who read their own books
.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It's great to listen to him on Lore the show.
Anyways, too, I didn't know hehad a show In a podcast.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You've never watched a Lore show.
No, hannah's looking at me likewith eyes that could cut right
through my skin.
Girl, we need to watch.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, there was Mallory, who was known to take
her slaves and brutallydisfigure them and cause a lot
of harm.
Okay, where was she from?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean you said there was a woman with slaves.
Were they in the United States?
Yes, why does my immediate mindgo Georgia Close.
I can confidently say I neverheard of this one either.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Really yeah, new Orleans.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
We also did a podcast on that, jesus Christ, but that
was adjusted one.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Somebody needs to get my brain checked.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I listen to all those episodes, sometimes twice.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Okay, I feel like I'm causing a lot of pressure.
Hannah makes me feel like Ineed to have an Alzheimer's exam
, so, on that note, that's fun.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Oh my god, anyways, that's fun.
Oh my God, anyways, that's whatI have.
Wanderers, that was fun.
Should we do a card or weshould just leave it at that
today, let's leave it at thattoday.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Let's leave it at that today.
What I do want to know is ifyou like this kind of episode
because it is new to us, it isdifferent Write in, let us know.
If it's something you guys arelike, skip next we don't want to
hear any more of, let us know.
We're trying to get everybodyto give us feedback.
Yes, we're bcbas.
We work in a feedback drivenfield, so I'm so sorry if we
sound like desperateex-girlfriends begging you to
(24:35):
text us, but we are but we areand please text us because
you're listening for a reason,right, we want to know why, and
if it's a talk shit say that too.
Yeah, that's fine.
We're great at talking shit.
We do it a great professionally.
We just cut that part out,exactly, exactly.
On that note, goodbye Wanderers.
It was so great to rejoin you.
I've really missed you.
Podcasting may not be likeriding a bicycle, but I'll get
(24:58):
back.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I promise Bye, wanderers, bye.
Thanks for listening today.
Wicked Wanderings is hosted byme, Hannah, and co-hosted by me,
courtney, and it's produced byRob Fitzpatrick.
Music by Sasha N.
If you enjoyed today's episode,don't forget to leave a rating
and review and be sure to followon all socials.
(25:19):
You can find the links down inthe show notes.
If you're looking for somereally cozy t-shirts or hoodies,
head over to the merch store.
Thank you for being a part ofthe Wicked Wanderings community.
We appreciate every one of you.
Stay curious, keep exploringand always remember to keep on
wandering.
Thank you.
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