May 28, 2025 • 40 mins
A haunting revisit to one of our most talked-about and chilling early episodes—the 1974 Hi-Fi Shop murders in Ogden, Utah, where a robbery turned into a night of unimaginable horror for five innocent people. Re-released with enhanced audio, we honor former co-host Jess’s unforgettable telling of this unforgettable case.
• A routine evening at the Hi-Fi Shop becomes a nightmare when two armed airmen take employees hostage
• 18-year-old Michelle Ansley and 20-year-old Stanley Walker are the first victims of what begins as a robbery
• Three more victims—Courtney Naisbitt (16), his mother Carol, and Stanley's father Orren—unwittingly enter the scene
• The perpetrators force victims to drink Drano, falsely telling them it was vodka with a German drug
• Dale Pierre (the "short man") emerges as the primary aggressor, committing rape and brutal violence
• Despite being shot in the head, both Courtney Naisbitt and Orren Walker miraculously survive
• Carol Naisbitt's mother's intuition leads her to search for her missing son, ultimately costing her life
• Swift police work and military base cooperation lead to the arrest of Dale Pierre and William Andrews
• Both perpetrators receive the death penalty—Pierre executed in 1987 and Andrews in 1992
• Courtney Naisbitt's remarkable recovery includes graduating with his class despite 261 days in hospital
• Through sharing his story in the book "Victim," Courtney eventually meets and marries a woman who reached out to him
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Rob (00:00):
Hey everyone, rob here, before we dive in today's
episode, I wanted to give you aquick heads up.
What you're about to hear is aspecial replay of one of our
most popular cases from theearly days of Wicked Wanderings.
This one was originally coveredby one of our former hosts,
jess, and it really struck achord with our listeners.
We've gone back and reproducedthe episode to bring you the
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best possible audio quality,while still honoring the
original storytelling that madeit so memorable.
Whether it's your first timehearing this case or you're
revisiting it, we hope you enjoythis look back of our most
talked about episodes.
Alright, let's get into it,okay.
Hannah (00:52):
Hi, I'm Hannah and I'm Courtney.
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky.
Grab your flashlight and getready to wander into the
darkness with us.
Jess (01:20):
This is Wicked Wanderings.
Hello Hannah, hello Jess, ourcase today is going to be a
doozy.
Just to warn you.
Hannah (01:28):
I'm so excited because I know nothing about this case.
I am going in blind, which I'mreally excited about.
Jess (01:34):
Awesome.
So I'm going to put a triggerwarning out at the top of the
episode just to let people knowthere's obviously violence and
there's some rape as well, ohgeez.
So just to warn you and ourwanderers out there.
But I want to ask you aquestion, hannah shoot.
What do you remember aboutbeing 18 years old?
Hannah (01:56):
oh god, I was an idiot for one.
Uh same starting college job.
Where'd you work?
I actually worked in acardiologist office.
Yeah, my aunt actually got methe gig when I was 14, I think I
was the file clerk and it wasthe best.
Yeah, most kids were working atDunkin' Donuts McDonald's
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babysitting, but I was luckyenough to be making $15 an hour.
Jeez, yeah, I was spoiled.
Jess (02:24):
I remember being naive and overly emotional when I was 18.
Hannah (02:28):
Mm-hmm, that too.
Jess (02:30):
Yes, but I also worked at a furniture slash electronics
store, not even five miles awayfrom where today's case happened
.
Hannah (02:39):
Right, because you were not in Massachusetts.
Jess (02:40):
No, I was living the dream in Ogden, utah, utah.
Yes, that is actually how Ilearned about today's murders.
I've always been a true crimenerd.
I think you know this about me.
I mean, one of my degrees is incriminal justice, so I don't
think I knew that.
Oh, yes, Well, now it all makessense, mind blown, but the
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horrific aspects of this crimeintrigued me.
The store where this happenedis actually still open.
However, it's in a differentlocation than where it was.
The store itself is still open.
It's in a different town, nottoo far from where the murders
took place.
I actually didn't know it was adifferent location until I
started researching it for thispodcast.
When you were 18 years old, canyou imagine being tied up and
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held by gunpoint?
Hannah (03:26):
No, thank you.
Thank goodness I didn't have todeal with that.
Jess (03:29):
I can't even imagine that happening now.
Hannah (03:32):
It's very scary.
Jess (03:34):
Yes, so that's exactly how today's case started.
On April 22nd 1974, 18-year-oldSherry Michelle Ansley or
Michelle and her 20, her 20 yearold co-worker, Stanley Walker,
were getting ready to close forthe night at the Hi-Fi shop at
2323 Washington Boulevard inOgden, Utah, and there were some
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inconsistencies between sourcesabout when closing time was.
I heard.
In one source it was nineo'clock, one source it was six
o'clock, but in the book thatI've read it says it was seven
o'clock.
Hannah (04:06):
Kind of like right down in the middle yeah.
Jess (04:08):
The Hi-Fi Shop sold expensive stereo equipment and
vinyl records.
They also had like a listeningroom that you could go in and
listen to the records and remindme again what year this was,
this was 1974.
Hannah (04:20):
Oh, okay, all right so records make sense.
Jess (04:22):
Yes, it was around 6.30 pm when a young man came in asking
the pair if he could park intheir parking lot while he went
to pick up some pictures thatwere being developed a few doors
down.
So the shop was in like a stripmall type scenario and he would
have had to have walked aroundall the stores in order to get
where he was going.
So this way he could just makea shortcut through the Hi-Fi
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shop.
Hannah (04:44):
So was there limited parking?
Or he was going, so this way hecould just make a shortcut
through the Hi-Fi shop.
So was there limited parking?
Jess (04:47):
or he was just there, was, I think there was on street
parking, and then behind all thestores there was a bigger
parking lot.
Hannah (04:52):
Okay.
Jess (04:53):
This young man was 16 year old, Courtney Nesbitt.
He is actually the nephew ofthe owner of the shop.
Courtney was always there andknew Stanley well, and after
talking with Stanley that night,he left the shop and went on
his way to get his pictures.
However, he is not the perp ofthis story.
Unfortunately, he will make asecond appearance.
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In fact, we will be talkingabout Courtney a lot, and one of
the main sources if not themain sources that I read for
this episode is a book writtenby Gary Kinder called Victim the
Other Side of Murder.
This book was really the onlysource I could find about this
case.
There's not a lot of books, ordocumentaries on it.
Hannah (05:39):
Why do you think that is ?
Jess (05:40):
I don't know if it was because it happened so long ago.
Hannah (05:44):
I mean, it sounds like a pretty small town too, right.
Jess (05:46):
Yeah, and this kind of stuff didn't happen very often.
Hannah (05:50):
Well, maybe we have to think about the times right now,
because I don't know yearsspecifically, but there was a
lot of serial killers andmurderers, I feel like in the
60s and 70s, and cult leaders,and so I feel like there was a
lot going on.
I mean these people needed avoice as well.
Feel like there was a lot goingon, I mean these people needed
a voice as well.
Jess (06:08):
But there was a lot going on during those decades and I
know ted bundy, ted bundysometime in utah as well yeah,
he did I don't know which wewill be talking about in a
future episode this book is avery powerful book in my opinion
, and I may or may not haveteared up a few times reading it
just because it follows one ofthe victim's families Courtney's
family throughout the wholescenario and how their family
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dealt with the aftermath of themurders that took place.
Hannah (06:35):
It's okay that you cried .
It means you have a soul.
Jess (06:38):
Some would argue, probably my husband.
So Stanley had worked at thehi-fi shop for a couple years,
but Michelle had only workedthere for a week.
It was said that the ownerliked having her there because
she was pretty and friendly andthe customers liked her.
She was only 18, but she wasalready engaged and was planning
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on getting married that July 18?
Yeah, that's how Mormons be outthere, god.
Hannah (07:08):
I mean, I got married at 23 and I still feel like I
rushed it, like, looking backnow I'm like what the hell was I
thinking?
Jess (07:11):
Yeah, Well, if you think about it, mormons don't believe
in premarital sex.
It's true, and they got urges,yes, and getting married young
and repopulating the earth.
You know that was kind of their.
Hannah (07:25):
I mean not to segue here , but you know, growing up in
the religion that I did, it wasalso the same thing no
premarital sex, and you know weall got purity rings and so I do
understand that's like when youhave those urges.
I mean, god, do it young yeah.
Jess (07:40):
So shortly after Courtney left, two men came into the
store with intention to rob it.
They confronted Michelle andStanley and held them at
gunpoint.
In the book at this point thestory refers to one of the men
as the short man and the otherone as the tall man.
I will do the same just to kindof make it easier to follow,
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because they both had differentparts, okay, and one had a
bigger part in this whole story.
The short man took Michelledown into the basement while the
tall man continued to watchStanley with a gun pointed at
him.
I'm not sure how long this wasgoing on, but at some point our
friend Courtney came in to walkthrough the store to the parking
lot where he had left his car.
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This is a decision that wouldchange his life forever.
At first Courtney only sawStanley and he heard Stanley
yell at him to stop.
Courtney wasn't sure what hewas talking about, so he went to
grab the doorknob to the backdoor to the parking lot and
heard don't move.
And looked to his left and sawthe tall man at the top of the
stairs to the basement with agun pointed at him.
(08:45):
God, you're just going to getsome pictures developed yeah,
right, don't worry, oh, you justwait done, done the two men
forced stanley and courtney downto the basement and tied them
up and placed them on theirstomachs on the floor by
michelle.
Time passes as these douchecanoes are robbing the store
that was a great addition.
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They're huge douche canoes.
Occasionally they come down andcheck on their captives.
Around 9 pm, two anda halfhours into the ordeal, the two
men hear a noise from the backdoor of the store and hide in
the basement until they find outwho or what it is.
It is 43-year-old Oren Walkercoming into the store to search
for his son, stanley.
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Stanley was supposed to be homeover an hour ago.
Oren walked around for a littlebit looking for his son, but
when he reached the basementdoor, one of the men confronted
him and forced him down to thestairs where he was tied up as
well.
Hannah (09:41):
And there was no cell phones.
No, no wonder dad came looking.
Jess (09:43):
Yeah, can you imagine being Orin looking for your son
being forced downstairs bygunpoint to find him already
tied up?
Hannah (09:52):
Yeah, I'm not a parent, but I know sometimes that I
didn't even answer my cell phonein college and my mom would be
so scared and freaked outbecause your mind goes to the
worst case scenario and poorOrwin ends up in the worst case
scenario.
Jess (10:04):
yeah, or even stanley looking up and seeing his father
come down.
I wonder if there was like asplit second of him being like,
oh, he's here to save the day,and then the reality of the
situation came back.
Hannah (10:17):
Right, because was anyone else?
I'm sorry to interrupt, butlike, would anyone else even
care where he was if his dad washis only hope?
Mm hmm.
Jess (10:26):
Yeah, so don't worry, though it gets worse.
Across town, carol Nesbitt isanxious and worried.
Her son, courtney, was supposedto come home for dinner and he
hadn't called.
She knew he was picking up thepictures on his way home, but he
should have been there by now.
She shared her concerns withher husband Byron, who was an
obstetrician and he was on callfor the night and so he couldn't
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really leave the house andleave the phone.
Hannah (10:52):
Can you remind me what an obstetrician is?
It's a gyno, oh yes, hedelivered babies.
Okay, no wonder you've got tobe on call for that.
That's not like a foot doctor,no, no.
Jess (11:02):
No, got it.
Babies are important, yes, andthey come whenever they want.
Yes, they do.
He had to stay by the phone andtheir son, gary, was there.
Gary was older than Courtney.
Courtney was the youngest andthey had an older brother and an
older sister as well.
Carol was pacing back and forth, she would go in and talk to
her husband and son and theygave her excuses like oh, he
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probably just went to his class.
Oh, he's probably at thelibrary studying.
Oh, he's probably with hisfriends.
Well, this didn't put Carol atease and she had called
Courtney's friends and none ofthem had seen him.
Hannah (11:38):
Moms have a gut instinct , though.
Jess (11:40):
Mothers- intuition, I mean they really do.
Carol was on it.
Still worried, she went intothe study where her husband and
son were talking, grabbed thekeys to the car and walked out
of the house without saying aword.
Carol drove up to the collegewhere Courtney was taking his
class, drove through all theparking lots and when she
reached the one that he usuallyparked at and didn't see his car
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, she literally went into theschool to see if he was in the
classroom.
She wasn't messing around.
Hannah (12:07):
Mama took things into her own hands.
Jess (12:09):
Yeah, so gotta give her credit for that.
Yeah, she drove to the libraryand thought about all the places
he could be at and she couldn'tfind him.
She went back home and told herson and husband that Courtney
wasn't at any of these places,and Byron then said he probably
stopped at the hi-fi shop totalk to Stanley and that he
would probably be home anyminute, which any other day
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probably would have been true,because it was the 1970s and
pagers hadn't even become athing yet, let alone cell phones
.
Byron had to stay home by thephone in case of emergencies at
the hospital.
Hannah (12:41):
Now you might get to this, but are we going to get to
their motive?
Jess (12:43):
Yes, okay, all right.
Hannah (12:45):
I'm skipping ahead, go ahead.
Jess (12:46):
So Byron had to stay by the phone and he just figured
Courtney was being a typicalteenage boy and would be home
soon.
But Carol knew that somethingwas wrong with her son, so she
left again in search of Courtneyat the hi-fi shop.
Hannah (12:59):
Oh, God, it's like no, it's a horror movie.
Jess (13:02):
Don't go in there, exactly , don't go in the basement.
Literally, carol 52, wasdescribed as having exquisite
taste, high energy, charm thathad drawn people to her.
Her and Byron had been marriedfor 34 years and when they were
first married, carol had quitschool and went to work as a
secretary to help support Byronas he went through an
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accelerated pre-med program.
Byron and Carol were describedin the book as a striking couple
.
He was ruggedly handsome andshe was petite, pretty and
bubbly.
She was also handy around thehouse and would be more likely
to fix the toilet than Byronwould.
My kind of woman.
Hannah (13:40):
Wait, and this is the same woman that just took things
into her own hands.
Yes, and she's like fuck it.
I like this woman, yes me too.
Jess (13:47):
She even designed two of their homes and did a lot of
work herself.
When she couldn't find acontractor she trusted this
woman was bad.
Hannah (13:56):
She was a wonder woman yes wow, especially since I mean
what you said.
She's 50, so this is what?
67?
What year is this?
74, 74, yes, so she was bornduring the 20s, right?
Jess (14:14):
words are hard for me tonight.
I don't think.
So okay, let me get to my don'tthink math is going to be any
better.
Hannah (14:18):
Let me get to my point.
So my point is she was reallylearning how to be a housewife
in the 50s.
I mean, wow, that's amazing.
Jess (14:27):
Yeah, so exciting.
I think it was a differentgeneration, yeah, and in my
opinion, maybe a slightlystronger one.
I don't know.
Hannah (14:35):
Yeah, I mean she just seems so feministic for her time
.
Yeah, it's amazing, I don'tknow.
Yeah, I mean she just seems sofeministic for her time.
Jess (14:39):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Yeah, she also was trulyfearless, especially when it
came to her children.
When Carol burst through theback door of the hi-fi shop and
gazed down the stairs, it wasdirectly into the barrel of a
revolver.
Hannah (14:51):
Oh God.
Jess (15:02):
The man behind the revolver asked her what she was
doing there and she snapped backI'm checking on on my son and
asked what was going on.
Yes, the second man waved herdown to the basement.
Once they were there, the shortman grabs her by the arm,
pulled her to the corner bycourtney and forced her down on
the ground next to her son andtied her hands and feet.
Now there are five people inthe basement of the shop with
their hands tied, laying ontheir stomachs.
We have Michelle, Stanley whoare the employees Courtney, his
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mom, Carol, and then Stanley'sfather, Oren.
At this point the short mantells the tall one to go out
into their van and get something.
Once the tall man comes back,they pour this green liquid into
a cup and tell the captivesthat it is vodka and a German
drug that will put them to sleepwhile they finish robbing the
store.
Hannah (15:44):
What a feeling.
That's a lie.
Jess (15:46):
Probably onto something here.
God Carol was the first one toreceive this drink.
The short man told her we'regoing to have a little cocktail
party, ew.
And when she told him that shedidn't drink, he said you'll
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drink this.
Grab the back of her head andEw.
The short man grabbed the baseof his neck and the liquid
started burning his lips andonce he swallowed it he could
feel it scorch his throat andtravel down into his chest.
He gagged and coughed violentlyand started vomiting as the man
laid him back down it just itsounds like like a like fluid
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from a car.
Hannah (16:34):
yeah, does it ever tell you what it is?
Yeah, yeah, of course it does.
Jess (16:37):
I'll get there.
Okay, hint, it's not a Germandrug.
Yeah, ta-da.
Spoiler alert Stanley was thenext one to swallow the drink
and coughed explosively andbegan spitting and coughing.
Then the man tiptoed over toMichelle, who responded in the
same involuntary manner.
Oren was lying there watchingand hearing everything that was
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going on and knew it was notwhat they said it was.
He allowed the short man topour it in his mouth and then,
when he was lowered back to theground, he let it leak out of
his mouth over his shoulder andonto the floor.
The short man then went andrefilled the cup and made
Stanley take another drink.
He also tried to put tape overtheir mouths to prevent them
from spitting it out but, theliquid had spilled onto their
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lips and it started blisteringand the tape wouldn't stick.
Hannah (17:27):
Oh my god, yeah, uh, I yeah.
Jess (17:30):
Ugh.
So at this time the men wentback upstairs and could be heard
moving around moving stereoequipment into their van.
There was a quickness to theirmovements this time, as they
were trying to get as muchmerchandise out as they could,
and I'm sorry but I can't.
Hannah (17:46):
I really am curious about the motive for this,
because it seems like a lot ofwork just to rob a place I agree
and I will get there.
Their initial plan was to rob,and there's questions back and
forth as to if that was the onlyplan because I'm hoping our
listeners have the same feelingI do right now, where I'm like
this is a lot, this is, yeah, Imean this just seems like a lot
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of work for just trying to rob astore yeah, I agree.
Jess (18:11):
the men came back downstairs and robbed each
person of their wallet or pursebut for some reason left the
woman's jewelry.
They took the men's watches andstuff, but the woman's jewelry.
They took the men's watches andstuff, but the woman's jewelry
that was worth a lot more.
They didn't touch the captives.
Hear the men have an argumentat the top of the stairs in
which the tall man said I can'tdo it, I can't do it.
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And then he left the store.
The short man came backdownstairs and walked to the
corner where Courtney and hismother were lying.
He felt around with the barrelof his revolver until he found
the back of Carol's head andpulled the trigger.
He then stepped over Carol'sbody and was standing above
Courtney and he bent down, feltfor Courtney's head with the
barrel of the gun and pulled thetrigger Like why, I don't know.
(18:56):
Oh my god.
Maybe no witnesses?
Maybe maybe he's a psychopath?
Hannah (19:02):
I'm still lost on the women's jewelry thing.
Yeah right, I try to think of,like you know, if they were
wanting to sell it, would thewatches be more valuable to them
?
Would they be?
Would they be able to trace thewomen's jewelry and that's why.
Jess (19:16):
I think in the book it mentioned that one of the rings
Carol had on her was custom madejade ring.
Yeah, and so I don't know ifthat would have been easier to
track or harder to track.
Yeah, they left.
So Courtney's body went limpand crumbled forward.
The short man then walked overto Oren.
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He aimed at his head and pulledthe trigger.
The bullet ripped through thecarpet next to his head and
ricocheted off the wall.
The man stepped over toMichelle, then went directly to
Stan and shot him in the back ofthe head.
The man ran upstairs.
Michelle then asked Stan if hewas okay.
Stan was surprisingly stillalive and was able to respond
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I've been shot.
Hannah (19:59):
Oh, my God.
Jess (20:00):
But then he became quiet.
The short man then came backdownstairs and I'm assuming he
went up to reload get some moreammo.
He said he had a revolver andthose are only six shots.
So he knows he missed Oren atthis time and he still had
Michelle and he only would havehad one bullet left.
So that's why I'm thinking hewent upstairs this time.
Hannah (20:22):
And did you see that the tall man actually ended up
leaving?
He's still there but he's justnot in the store.
Jess (20:27):
He's in the van that they loaded all the equipment.
Hannah (20:29):
But he said he can't do it.
Jess (20:30):
Yeah, which I'm assuming he meant he couldn't kill them.
Hannah (20:34):
Because wasn't it the short man that was trying to
stuff him with the juice?
Yes, so obviously he's the moresick one.
I mean they're both sick, butyeah.
Jess (20:44):
So at this point he walked back to Oren and aimed his gun
and shot him in the head again.
The man was standing overMichelle as she was pleading for
him not to kill her.
He started to untie her feetand her hands and led her into a
different room.
Bastard, I already know what'scoming.
He then made her take off allof her clothes and for the next
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20 minutes, while the fourpeople he just shot in the head
lay in the other room.
When he was finished, heallowed her to go to the
bathroom.
Oh, so polite.
Rob (21:16):
Yeah right.
Jess (21:17):
What a true gentleman Then motioned for her, still
completely naked, to get backdown in her spot on the floor
untied and this poor girl's likewedding was right around the
corner 18 years old 18 years old, probably a virgin, waiting for
her wedding night, mm-hmm, ohGod, yeah, and her first
interaction with sex is withthis prick, with this guy.
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So let's talk about this partfor a second.
I believe this man either hadhis intention to rape Michelle
the entire time or, somewhere inthe middle of the ordeal,
decided it Because look at theorder of which he shot the
victims Carol was first Skippedover, right yeah.
And I'm not saying I would knowwhat I would do in this
situation as a woman.
If I saw another woman gettingraped, I would do what I could
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to stop.
Hannah (22:05):
Right.
Jess (22:05):
Ideally.
Hannah (22:07):
We all would hope we could do that.
Jess (22:09):
But after Carol he took out all the men.
The book doesn't mentionanything about this and it was
never mentioned in policereports or anything, but I feel
like the men would have tried tostop him too so he took them
out first.
Yeah, you said that heliterally stepped over michelle
and went to stanley and thencame back and shot oran again 20
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minutes though that must havebeen eternity for her oh, I bet
or was that, you know, herpayment for saying please don't
kill me?
I think he's just a sickindividual, yep.
Hannah (22:42):
Oh yeah, I think we've all established that.
Jess (22:43):
Yeah, so he ran upstairs again.
I don't know why he goes up anddown, up and down, and I'm
wondering why at some pointpeople didn't try to do
something while they wereupstairs.
Hannah (22:57):
Maybe just out of fear.
Maybe that's why they gave themthe liquid.
Maybe, they were probably toobusy with their intestines
getting blistered.
Jess (23:03):
Yeah, also true, michelle, bless her little heart.
After she had been raped bythis man, she asked Oren if he
was okay.
But Oren is dead, isn't he?
Up until now Oren had beenplaying dead.
Oh, he had been shot at asecond time, but the wound ended
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up being superficial and justgrazing off the back of his head
.
So he was still coherent and hewas wiggling his fingers and
toes to stay conscious.
And he had opened one eye tolook at Michelle to prove that
he was still alive.
But he was unsure.
If she saw it the short mancomes down the stairs again that
he was still alive.
But he was unsure.
If she saw it, the short mancomes down the stairs again.
So Oren closes his eyes and heflashed his flashlight over Oren
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to see if he was still alive.
He then moved over toMichelle's head and pulled the
trigger Come on.
The man then attempted tostrangle Oren with a speaker
wire.
Oh, he knew.
How the hell did he find out?
Some sources say that hechecked his pulse.
I didn't read that in the book,but I read in a different
source.
I couldn't really rememberwhich source it was, but the
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book has Oren's own testimony,so I'm kind of leaving that more
.
There's so many differencesamong sources it's kind of hard
to figure some facts out.
Oren attempted to flex his neckmuscles when the man cinched the
cord around his neck as he waspulling tighter and tighter.
He was then lowered to theground and Oren was able to
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relax his muscles and there wasa small opening for him to get
some air.
The man again went upstairs andcould be heard walking around.
The man again went upstairs andcould be heard walking around.
A few minutes later he comesback downstairs, walks over back
to Oren and Oren feelssomething rub against his
earlobe and felt a pen beingshoved into his ear.
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What the fuck?
Yeah.
The man then raised his footand stomped down on the pen,
jamming it into Oren's head.
What, it was perfect, yeah.
He stomped the pen one moretime and went upstairs for the
final time.
Hannah (25:07):
I am literally gagging right now Isn't that horrible.
That is just.
I have no words.
Jess (25:14):
I told you.
I'm glad you did it.
Hannah (25:16):
Yeah, I'm glad you did a trigger warning.
My God, it's crazy.
Jess (25:21):
So around 10 pm, oren's wife and one of their other sons
comes to the hi-fi shop lookingfor Oren and Stanley.
They found Oren still alive,despite having been shot and a
pen jammed into his head andstrangled, and strangled, and he
was up walking around, goodLord, superman.
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So the police were called andthey responded around 10 30.
So remember, this was 1974,utah.
Things like this didn't happen,right?
The police officers themselveswere in shock and at some point
during the night Carol hadrolled onto her back and
Courtney had started crawlingtowards the stairs.
So those two were both alivewhen police responded and were
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rushed to the hospital.
Both Stanley and Michelle,unfortunately, had already
passed away.
Luckily, if you call it lucky,the pen that was stomped into
Oren's ear ended up goingthrough his throat and not his
brain.
Hannah (26:22):
Oh, so it was tilting Like downward.
Jess (26:26):
Oh, the second gunshot, like I said, had only grazed the
back of his skull and was asuperficial wound.
He was able to give thedescription of the two black men
that were driving alight-colored van and an APB was
distributed, distributed,distribute, distributed.
Thank you Words they're so hardTo all police officers in the
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area and they were already onthe search.
A task force was created thatnight and a tip line was set up
before the morning.
Unfortunately, carol passedaway shortly after arriving at
the hospital.
Courtney surprisingly survivedhis injuries, but it was no easy
feat.
Courtney ended up havingnumerous surgeries on both his
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head and his esophagus.
He had to have part of hiscolon taken out to replace part
of his esophagus, just to beable to keep his airway open.
Hannah (27:22):
Okay, so we have two surviving victims that can
hopefully ID these guys.
Yes, Right, Mm-hmm, but thisshort guy I mean when you're
talking about going upstairs,downstairs, upstairs, downstairs
, and also when you're talkingabout the gun and the revolver.
You said it had six shots.
Rob (27:39):
Mm-hmm.
Hannah (27:40):
So why did he end up using a pen instead of just
trying to?
Jess (27:44):
shoot him again.
Maybe he didn't have any morerounds, I don't know.
Hannah (27:48):
Interesting.
Was he going back upstairs?
Because I mean, I watch toomuch TV and TV shows and stuff.
But, like, if you're holdingpeople hostage, right, sometimes
they go upstairs to try to likerile themselves up, like, okay,
I got this, like I can do this,I can do this, and so that they
won't see downstairs like howthey're falling apart, yeah, I
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personally, from what I've read,he is not that guy, okay, and I
think that he wasn't expectingfive people and it just happened
that that's very true threemore people came into the shop
because in the investigationthey find out that the guys
cased the shop the Saturdaynight and this happened on a
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Monday night.
Jess (28:29):
How did they find that out ?
I think one of the guysadmitted to it.
Hannah (28:35):
Oh, okay, yeah, so I don't know, do they have cameras
?
Jess (28:37):
No.
Hannah (28:38):
Okay, yeah.
Jess (28:40):
The doctors were able to find out that this vodka German
drug drink was actually drano,that he forced them okay, I was
close I was close.
What didn't burn and destroytheir bodies.
Going down had dripped out oftheir mouths and causing their
lips and skin to blister andleave scars.
Courtney ended up spending 261days in the hospital.
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Despite the gunshot wound inhis head, he was able to
graduate high school with hisclass in 1976.
Hannah (29:13):
That'd be the last thing on my mind.
Jess (29:15):
Yeah, he did have some brain damage.
It wasn't too severe, so he wasable to do trigonometry.
Hannah (29:23):
I can't do trigonometry with my brain not being injured.
Jess (29:28):
He had a lot of damage that controlled the right side
of his body, so it took him along time to get the point where
he could use that again and, asI stated previously, there was
a task force created during thenight as well as a tip line set
up.
The following morning.
There were two tips called into different departments.
The first call came throughdispatch, asking for Corporal
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Cecil Fisher.
Oh okay, cecil Weird, I knowright, I was thinking about that
when I typed out his nameCecil's.
Hannah (30:00):
So there was a Cecil.
You guys listened to episodeone there was a Sergeant.
Cecil in the missing MauraMurray case.
I mean, it's not a common name,it's?
Jess (30:10):
not.
That is weird, crazy.
So he took a call from a man tosay that he knew who did the
hi-fi job.
He informed Fisher that heknows two black guys that drive
a light blue van and their namesare Dale Pierre and William
Andrews.
He said that he heard themtalking about robbing the Hi-Fi
shop and not leaving anywitnesses.
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He was able to provideinformation on Pierre Andrews
and that they were both airmenat Hill Air Force Base about 20
minutes south of the Hi-Fi shop.
Wait, they were military.
Yep, wow.
And he was able to tell themwhich barracks they lived in and
what their room numbers were.
Around the same time, two boyswere digging through dumpsters
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for cans on base and they foundmore than they bargained for.
They found two wallets, somekeys, two purses with a
checkbook in one of them, andguess whose name was on the
checks?
Michelle Ansley.
The base police were called and, upon further inspection of
what was found in the dumpster,called the tip line.
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These tips were eventuallyconnected and the task force was
ready to take action.
So now let's have a littleconversation about jurisdiction
here.
Just because police have thisinformation, they don't have
jurisdiction on a military base.
It is considered federal landso it's under federal
jurisdiction.
I'm guessing that complicates alot of things A little bit.
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The same as the military police.
They don't have jurisdictionoutside the military base.
They can't go off base andarrest someone.
They'd have to collaborate withlocal police.
Hannah (31:50):
Do they have to worry about extradition, even though
it's the same country?
Jess (31:54):
No, no, they would just have to collaborate, gotcha.
So, with all that being said,fisher had to get in contact
with the base commander to getaccess to Pierre and Andrews.
They were able to come on baseand search the dumpster with a
search warrant, but the basecommander refused to let them on
base for the arrest unless heread the warrant, which I
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understand.
The guy's doing his job, but atthe same time it's like we know
who these guys are and we knowwhat they're capable of.
So they were eventually able toget a warrant and went to
arrest both Pierre and Andrewswithout incident.
In the book this is one of myfavorite parts it mentioned that
all the airmen who lived in thesame barracks as Pierre started
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clapping when he was let out inhandcuffs.
If that can tell you anythingabout Pierre.
Oh, my word Right.
I couldn't find much about theother suspect, william Andrews,
even though they were chargedtogether, which one was the
small guy.
Okay, so yes, thank you forasking.
Dale Pierre is the short manand William Andrews is the tall
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man.
Hannah (32:59):
Okay, yep, so Pierre was the dipshit.
Jess (33:01):
Yep.
Pierre was considered themastermind behind the murders
and there is more informationabout him.
Pierre was considered themastermind behind the murders
and there's more informationabout him.
He was born on the Isle ofTobago in the Caribbean east of
Venezuela and he describes hischildhood, as you know, good.
Nothing happened, buteventually would talk about his
mom beating him, which was thecase, but it was because he
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wasn't.
It was more disciplinary fromother sources than it was abuse,
once again 70s.
He also was reported by othersas no good and worthless and his
parents were hardworking andheld high expectations for him
to follow the rules, but heresented those restrictions and
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would sneak out of the house andhe was suspected of a lot of
thefts and there were never anycharges.
So his family eventually movedto the United States where he
joins the Air Force when he was19 and stationed at Hill Air
Force Base, which is where hemet William Andrews.
Pierre was also the primesuspect in a murder of another
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airman and this guy was killedfrom being stabbed in the eye
with a machete, but there wasnot enough evidence to charge.
Hannah (34:13):
Pierre, stabbed in the eye with a machete.
Jess (34:17):
Yeah, he was also out on bail that time for stealing two
cars from a car lot.
He would show up in uniformwanting to buy a car and take it
for a test drive, go back thatnight and steal the car and then
go back the next day actinglike he still wanted the car and
they're like well, you can't,it's stolen.
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Like this guy was ballsy withwhat he did, oh my word.
Neither he nor Andrews wouldtalk to anybody about what
happened when they awaitedtrials.
After searching Pierre'sapartment, the police had found
a receipt hidden underneath thecarpet that was underneath a
desk that was for a storage unitin Pierre's name.
The police obtained anothersearch warrant and in that unit
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they found all the stereoequipment that was stolen from
the hi-fi shop.
Even with all the evidenceagainst them, they still did not
speak.
They were convicted offirst-degree murder and
aggravated robbery on November16, 1974.
Four days later they weresentenced to death.
After all appeals were deniedand exhausted, pierre was
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executed by lethal injection onAugust 28, 1987, at the age of
34.
Andrews was executed by lethalinjection on August 28, 1987, at
the age of 34.
Andrews was executed by lethalinjection on July 30, 1992, at
the age of 37.
Hannah (35:35):
So I feel like that was pretty quick yeah.
Rob (35:40):
For execution.
Hannah (35:41):
Especially for Pierre, like it was what 10 some odd
years I mean usually guys arewaiting decades.
Jess (35:49):
Mm-hmm.
Wow, I think you know I want toend this on a good note.
Oh, hallelujah, after thishorrific case.
I talked briefly aboutCourtney's struggles after the
murders and if you really wantan in-depth look at this case
and his story, read the Victimthe Other Side of Murder.
It's such a powerful and movingstory about the Nisbet's
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experiences.
After this book was written, awoman reached out to Gary Kinder
and thanked him for writing thestory and she had experienced
trauma and it was helpful forher to know that someone else
understood her pain.
After reading Courtney's story,she eventually reached out to
Courtney to thank him.
They ended up talking and theyended up getting married.
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Wait what?
Yes Said it in the epilogue ofthis book.
So Courtney and and this womanher name was Kathy oh my gosh
From Seattle.
Hannah (36:43):
That's so sweet, isn't it?
That's adorable yeah.
Jess (36:47):
Courtney did end up passing away in 2002 from
undisclosed illness.
But I mean, we can only imagine, Right.
But yeah, that is the story ofthe Hi-Fi murders.
Hannah (36:58):
Oh, that was a ride.
Right, that was a lot.
That was some terrible, sad,horrific douche canoes Full of
douche canoes, but the douchecanoes got what was coming to
them.
Jess (37:12):
I agree, so that my friend is my story for the night.
Hannah (37:16):
Thank you, for sharing it with us, and if you guys have
any recommendations for whatkind of cases you want to hear.
I mean, there's plenty.
I think we have Lizzie Bordencoming up, we got Manson coming
up, ted Bundy, but if there'sanything you guys want to hear,
please let us know Any goodparanormal stories.
Yes, we want to hear it all.
Yes, we do Anything creepy.
Rob (37:39):
Hey there, rob, here again.
That brings us to the end ofthis chilling look back at the
Hi-Fi Mur murders, one of themost disturbing cases we've ever
featured on Wicked Wanderings.
A big thank you to our formerco-host, jess, for originally
bringing this story to life.
Her research and storytellinghelped make this one of the most
unforgettable episodes andwe're grateful to be able to
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share it with you again.
As always, thanks for listeningand we'll see you next time on
Wicked Wanderings.
Hannah (38:08):
Thanks for listening.
Today, wicked Wanderings ishosted by me, hannah and
co-hosted by me, courtney, andit's produced by Rob Fitzpatrick
.
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We appreciate every one of you.
Stay curious, keep exploringand always remember to keep on
wandering.
Thank you.
Hey everyone, rob here, before we dive in today's
episode, I wanted to give you aquick heads up.
What you're about to hear is aspecial replay of one of our
most popular cases from theearly days of Wicked Wanderings.
This one was originally coveredby one of our former hosts,
jess, and it really struck achord with our listeners.
We've gone back and reproducedthe episode to bring you the
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best possible audio quality,while still honoring the
original storytelling that madeit so memorable.
Whether it's your first timehearing this case or you're
revisiting it, we hope you enjoythis look back of our most
talked about episodes.
Alright, let's get into it,okay.
Hannah (00:52):
Hi, I'm Hannah and I'm Courtney.
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky.
Grab your flashlight and getready to wander into the
darkness with us.
Jess (01:20):
This is Wicked Wanderings.
Hello Hannah, hello Jess, ourcase today is going to be a
doozy.
Just to warn you.
Hannah (01:28):
I'm so excited because I know nothing about this case.
I am going in blind, which I'mreally excited about.
Jess (01:34):
Awesome.
So I'm going to put a triggerwarning out at the top of the
episode just to let people knowthere's obviously violence and
there's some rape as well, ohgeez.
So just to warn you and ourwanderers out there.
But I want to ask you aquestion, hannah shoot.
What do you remember aboutbeing 18 years old?
Hannah (01:56):
oh god, I was an idiot for one.
Uh same starting college job.
Where'd you work?
I actually worked in acardiologist office.
Yeah, my aunt actually got methe gig when I was 14, I think I
was the file clerk and it wasthe best.
Yeah, most kids were working atDunkin' Donuts McDonald's
(02:17):
babysitting, but I was luckyenough to be making $15 an hour.
Jeez, yeah, I was spoiled.
Jess (02:24):
I remember being naive and overly emotional when I was 18.
Hannah (02:28):
Mm-hmm, that too.
Jess (02:30):
Yes, but I also worked at a furniture slash electronics
store, not even five miles awayfrom where today's case happened
.
Hannah (02:39):
Right, because you were not in Massachusetts.
Jess (02:40):
No, I was living the dream in Ogden, utah, utah.
Yes, that is actually how Ilearned about today's murders.
I've always been a true crimenerd.
I think you know this about me.
I mean, one of my degrees is incriminal justice, so I don't
think I knew that.
Oh, yes, Well, now it all makessense, mind blown, but the
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horrific aspects of this crimeintrigued me.
The store where this happenedis actually still open.
However, it's in a differentlocation than where it was.
The store itself is still open.
It's in a different town, nottoo far from where the murders
took place.
I actually didn't know it was adifferent location until I
started researching it for thispodcast.
When you were 18 years old, canyou imagine being tied up and
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held by gunpoint?
Hannah (03:26):
No, thank you.
Thank goodness I didn't have todeal with that.
Jess (03:29):
I can't even imagine that happening now.
Hannah (03:32):
It's very scary.
Jess (03:34):
Yes, so that's exactly how today's case started.
On April 22nd 1974, 18-year-oldSherry Michelle Ansley or
Michelle and her 20, her 20 yearold co-worker, Stanley Walker,
were getting ready to close forthe night at the Hi-Fi shop at
2323 Washington Boulevard inOgden, Utah, and there were some
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inconsistencies between sourcesabout when closing time was.
I heard.
In one source it was nineo'clock, one source it was six
o'clock, but in the book thatI've read it says it was seven
o'clock.
Hannah (04:06):
Kind of like right down in the middle yeah.
Jess (04:08):
The Hi-Fi Shop sold expensive stereo equipment and
vinyl records.
They also had like a listeningroom that you could go in and
listen to the records and remindme again what year this was,
this was 1974.
Hannah (04:20):
Oh, okay, all right so records make sense.
Jess (04:22):
Yes, it was around 6.30 pm when a young man came in asking
the pair if he could park intheir parking lot while he went
to pick up some pictures thatwere being developed a few doors
down.
So the shop was in like a stripmall type scenario and he would
have had to have walked aroundall the stores in order to get
where he was going.
So this way he could just makea shortcut through the Hi-Fi
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shop.
Hannah (04:44):
So was there limited parking?
Or he was going, so this way hecould just make a shortcut
through the Hi-Fi shop.
So was there limited parking?
Jess (04:47):
or he was just there, was, I think there was on street
parking, and then behind all thestores there was a bigger
parking lot.
Hannah (04:52):
Okay.
Jess (04:53):
This young man was 16 year old, Courtney Nesbitt.
He is actually the nephew ofthe owner of the shop.
Courtney was always there andknew Stanley well, and after
talking with Stanley that night,he left the shop and went on
his way to get his pictures.
However, he is not the perp ofthis story.
Unfortunately, he will make asecond appearance.
(05:14):
In fact, we will be talkingabout Courtney a lot, and one of
the main sources if not themain sources that I read for
this episode is a book writtenby Gary Kinder called Victim the
Other Side of Murder.
This book was really the onlysource I could find about this
case.
There's not a lot of books, ordocumentaries on it.
Hannah (05:39):
Why do you think that is ?
Jess (05:40):
I don't know if it was because it happened so long ago.
Hannah (05:44):
I mean, it sounds like a pretty small town too, right.
Jess (05:46):
Yeah, and this kind of stuff didn't happen very often.
Hannah (05:50):
Well, maybe we have to think about the times right now,
because I don't know yearsspecifically, but there was a
lot of serial killers andmurderers, I feel like in the
60s and 70s, and cult leaders,and so I feel like there was a
lot going on.
I mean these people needed avoice as well.
Feel like there was a lot goingon, I mean these people needed
a voice as well.
Jess (06:08):
But there was a lot going on during those decades and I
know ted bundy, ted bundysometime in utah as well yeah,
he did I don't know which wewill be talking about in a
future episode this book is avery powerful book in my opinion
, and I may or may not haveteared up a few times reading it
just because it follows one ofthe victim's families Courtney's
family throughout the wholescenario and how their family
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dealt with the aftermath of themurders that took place.
Hannah (06:35):
It's okay that you cried .
It means you have a soul.
Jess (06:38):
Some would argue, probably my husband.
So Stanley had worked at thehi-fi shop for a couple years,
but Michelle had only workedthere for a week.
It was said that the ownerliked having her there because
she was pretty and friendly andthe customers liked her.
She was only 18, but she wasalready engaged and was planning
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on getting married that July 18?
Yeah, that's how Mormons be outthere, god.
Hannah (07:08):
I mean, I got married at 23 and I still feel like I
rushed it, like, looking backnow I'm like what the hell was I
thinking?
Jess (07:11):
Yeah, Well, if you think about it, mormons don't believe
in premarital sex.
It's true, and they got urges,yes, and getting married young
and repopulating the earth.
You know that was kind of their.
Hannah (07:25):
I mean not to segue here , but you know, growing up in
the religion that I did, it wasalso the same thing no
premarital sex, and you know weall got purity rings and so I do
understand that's like when youhave those urges.
I mean, god, do it young yeah.
Jess (07:40):
So shortly after Courtney left, two men came into the
store with intention to rob it.
They confronted Michelle andStanley and held them at
gunpoint.
In the book at this point thestory refers to one of the men
as the short man and the otherone as the tall man.
I will do the same just to kindof make it easier to follow,
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because they both had differentparts, okay, and one had a
bigger part in this whole story.
The short man took Michelledown into the basement while the
tall man continued to watchStanley with a gun pointed at
him.
I'm not sure how long this wasgoing on, but at some point our
friend Courtney came in to walkthrough the store to the parking
lot where he had left his car.
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This is a decision that wouldchange his life forever.
At first Courtney only sawStanley and he heard Stanley
yell at him to stop.
Courtney wasn't sure what hewas talking about, so he went to
grab the doorknob to the backdoor to the parking lot and
heard don't move.
And looked to his left and sawthe tall man at the top of the
stairs to the basement with agun pointed at him.
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God, you're just going to getsome pictures developed yeah,
right, don't worry, oh, you justwait done, done the two men
forced stanley and courtney downto the basement and tied them
up and placed them on theirstomachs on the floor by
michelle.
Time passes as these douchecanoes are robbing the store
that was a great addition.
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They're huge douche canoes.
Occasionally they come down andcheck on their captives.
Around 9 pm, two anda halfhours into the ordeal, the two
men hear a noise from the backdoor of the store and hide in
the basement until they find outwho or what it is.
It is 43-year-old Oren Walkercoming into the store to search
for his son, stanley.
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Stanley was supposed to be homeover an hour ago.
Oren walked around for a littlebit looking for his son, but
when he reached the basementdoor, one of the men confronted
him and forced him down to thestairs where he was tied up as
well.
Hannah (09:41):
And there was no cell phones.
No, no wonder dad came looking.
Jess (09:43):
Yeah, can you imagine being Orin looking for your son
being forced downstairs bygunpoint to find him already
tied up?
Hannah (09:52):
Yeah, I'm not a parent, but I know sometimes that I
didn't even answer my cell phonein college and my mom would be
so scared and freaked outbecause your mind goes to the
worst case scenario and poorOrwin ends up in the worst case
scenario.
Jess (10:04):
yeah, or even stanley looking up and seeing his father
come down.
I wonder if there was like asplit second of him being like,
oh, he's here to save the day,and then the reality of the
situation came back.
Hannah (10:17):
Right, because was anyone else?
I'm sorry to interrupt, butlike, would anyone else even
care where he was if his dad washis only hope?
Mm hmm.
Jess (10:26):
Yeah, so don't worry, though it gets worse.
Across town, carol Nesbitt isanxious and worried.
Her son, courtney, was supposedto come home for dinner and he
hadn't called.
She knew he was picking up thepictures on his way home, but he
should have been there by now.
She shared her concerns withher husband Byron, who was an
obstetrician and he was on callfor the night and so he couldn't
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really leave the house andleave the phone.
Hannah (10:52):
Can you remind me what an obstetrician is?
It's a gyno, oh yes, hedelivered babies.
Okay, no wonder you've got tobe on call for that.
That's not like a foot doctor,no, no.
Jess (11:02):
No, got it.
Babies are important, yes, andthey come whenever they want.
Yes, they do.
He had to stay by the phone andtheir son, gary, was there.
Gary was older than Courtney.
Courtney was the youngest andthey had an older brother and an
older sister as well.
Carol was pacing back and forth, she would go in and talk to
her husband and son and theygave her excuses like oh, he
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probably just went to his class.
Oh, he's probably at thelibrary studying.
Oh, he's probably with hisfriends.
Well, this didn't put Carol atease and she had called
Courtney's friends and none ofthem had seen him.
Hannah (11:38):
Moms have a gut instinct , though.
Jess (11:40):
Mothers- intuition, I mean they really do.
Carol was on it.
Still worried, she went intothe study where her husband and
son were talking, grabbed thekeys to the car and walked out
of the house without saying aword.
Carol drove up to the collegewhere Courtney was taking his
class, drove through all theparking lots and when she
reached the one that he usuallyparked at and didn't see his car
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, she literally went into theschool to see if he was in the
classroom.
She wasn't messing around.
Hannah (12:07):
Mama took things into her own hands.
Jess (12:09):
Yeah, so gotta give her credit for that.
Yeah, she drove to the libraryand thought about all the places
he could be at and she couldn'tfind him.
She went back home and told herson and husband that Courtney
wasn't at any of these places,and Byron then said he probably
stopped at the hi-fi shop totalk to Stanley and that he
would probably be home anyminute, which any other day
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probably would have been true,because it was the 1970s and
pagers hadn't even become athing yet, let alone cell phones
.
Byron had to stay home by thephone in case of emergencies at
the hospital.
Hannah (12:41):
Now you might get to this, but are we going to get to
their motive?
Jess (12:43):
Yes, okay, all right.
Hannah (12:45):
I'm skipping ahead, go ahead.
Jess (12:46):
So Byron had to stay by the phone and he just figured
Courtney was being a typicalteenage boy and would be home
soon.
But Carol knew that somethingwas wrong with her son, so she
left again in search of Courtneyat the hi-fi shop.
Hannah (12:59):
Oh, God, it's like no, it's a horror movie.
Jess (13:02):
Don't go in there, exactly , don't go in the basement.
Literally, carol 52, wasdescribed as having exquisite
taste, high energy, charm thathad drawn people to her.
Her and Byron had been marriedfor 34 years and when they were
first married, carol had quitschool and went to work as a
secretary to help support Byronas he went through an
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accelerated pre-med program.
Byron and Carol were describedin the book as a striking couple
.
He was ruggedly handsome andshe was petite, pretty and
bubbly.
She was also handy around thehouse and would be more likely
to fix the toilet than Byronwould.
My kind of woman.
Hannah (13:40):
Wait, and this is the same woman that just took things
into her own hands.
Yes, and she's like fuck it.
I like this woman, yes me too.
Jess (13:47):
She even designed two of their homes and did a lot of
work herself.
When she couldn't find acontractor she trusted this
woman was bad.
Hannah (13:56):
She was a wonder woman yes wow, especially since I mean
what you said.
She's 50, so this is what?
67?
What year is this?
74, 74, yes, so she was bornduring the 20s, right?
Jess (14:14):
words are hard for me tonight.
I don't think.
So okay, let me get to my don'tthink math is going to be any
better.
Hannah (14:18):
Let me get to my point.
So my point is she was reallylearning how to be a housewife
in the 50s.
I mean, wow, that's amazing.
Jess (14:27):
Yeah, so exciting.
I think it was a differentgeneration, yeah, and in my
opinion, maybe a slightlystronger one.
I don't know.
Hannah (14:35):
Yeah, I mean she just seems so feministic for her time
.
Yeah, it's amazing, I don'tknow.
Yeah, I mean she just seems sofeministic for her time.
Jess (14:39):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Yeah, she also was trulyfearless, especially when it
came to her children.
When Carol burst through theback door of the hi-fi shop and
gazed down the stairs, it wasdirectly into the barrel of a
revolver.
Hannah (14:51):
Oh God.
Jess (15:02):
The man behind the revolver asked her what she was
doing there and she snapped backI'm checking on on my son and
asked what was going on.
Yes, the second man waved herdown to the basement.
Once they were there, the shortman grabs her by the arm,
pulled her to the corner bycourtney and forced her down on
the ground next to her son andtied her hands and feet.
Now there are five people inthe basement of the shop with
their hands tied, laying ontheir stomachs.
We have Michelle, Stanley whoare the employees Courtney, his
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mom, Carol, and then Stanley'sfather, Oren.
At this point the short mantells the tall one to go out
into their van and get something.
Once the tall man comes back,they pour this green liquid into
a cup and tell the captivesthat it is vodka and a German
drug that will put them to sleepwhile they finish robbing the
store.
Hannah (15:44):
What a feeling.
That's a lie.
Jess (15:46):
Probably onto something here.
God Carol was the first one toreceive this drink.
The short man told her we'regoing to have a little cocktail
party, ew.
And when she told him that shedidn't drink, he said you'll
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drink this.
Grab the back of her head andEw.
The short man grabbed the baseof his neck and the liquid
started burning his lips andonce he swallowed it he could
feel it scorch his throat andtravel down into his chest.
He gagged and coughed violentlyand started vomiting as the man
laid him back down it just itsounds like like a like fluid
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from a car.
Hannah (16:34):
yeah, does it ever tell you what it is?
Yeah, yeah, of course it does.
Jess (16:37):
I'll get there.
Okay, hint, it's not a Germandrug.
Yeah, ta-da.
Spoiler alert Stanley was thenext one to swallow the drink
and coughed explosively andbegan spitting and coughing.
Then the man tiptoed over toMichelle, who responded in the
same involuntary manner.
Oren was lying there watchingand hearing everything that was
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going on and knew it was notwhat they said it was.
He allowed the short man topour it in his mouth and then,
when he was lowered back to theground, he let it leak out of
his mouth over his shoulder andonto the floor.
The short man then went andrefilled the cup and made
Stanley take another drink.
He also tried to put tape overtheir mouths to prevent them
from spitting it out but, theliquid had spilled onto their
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lips and it started blisteringand the tape wouldn't stick.
Hannah (17:27):
Oh my god, yeah, uh, I yeah.
Jess (17:30):
Ugh.
So at this time the men wentback upstairs and could be heard
moving around moving stereoequipment into their van.
There was a quickness to theirmovements this time, as they
were trying to get as muchmerchandise out as they could,
and I'm sorry but I can't.
Hannah (17:46):
I really am curious about the motive for this,
because it seems like a lot ofwork just to rob a place I agree
and I will get there.
Their initial plan was to rob,and there's questions back and
forth as to if that was the onlyplan because I'm hoping our
listeners have the same feelingI do right now, where I'm like
this is a lot, this is, yeah, Imean this just seems like a lot
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of work for just trying to rob astore yeah, I agree.
Jess (18:11):
the men came back downstairs and robbed each
person of their wallet or pursebut for some reason left the
woman's jewelry.
They took the men's watches andstuff, but the woman's jewelry.
They took the men's watches andstuff, but the woman's jewelry
that was worth a lot more.
They didn't touch the captives.
Hear the men have an argumentat the top of the stairs in
which the tall man said I can'tdo it, I can't do it.
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And then he left the store.
The short man came backdownstairs and walked to the
corner where Courtney and hismother were lying.
He felt around with the barrelof his revolver until he found
the back of Carol's head andpulled the trigger.
He then stepped over Carol'sbody and was standing above
Courtney and he bent down, feltfor Courtney's head with the
barrel of the gun and pulled thetrigger Like why, I don't know.
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Oh my god.
Maybe no witnesses?
Maybe maybe he's a psychopath?
Hannah (19:02):
I'm still lost on the women's jewelry thing.
Yeah right, I try to think of,like you know, if they were
wanting to sell it, would thewatches be more valuable to them
?
Would they be?
Would they be able to trace thewomen's jewelry and that's why.
Jess (19:16):
I think in the book it mentioned that one of the rings
Carol had on her was custom madejade ring.
Yeah, and so I don't know ifthat would have been easier to
track or harder to track.
Yeah, they left.
So Courtney's body went limpand crumbled forward.
The short man then walked overto Oren.
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He aimed at his head and pulledthe trigger.
The bullet ripped through thecarpet next to his head and
ricocheted off the wall.
The man stepped over toMichelle, then went directly to
Stan and shot him in the back ofthe head.
The man ran upstairs.
Michelle then asked Stan if hewas okay.
Stan was surprisingly stillalive and was able to respond
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I've been shot.
Hannah (19:59):
Oh, my God.
Jess (20:00):
But then he became quiet.
The short man then came backdownstairs and I'm assuming he
went up to reload get some moreammo.
He said he had a revolver andthose are only six shots.
So he knows he missed Oren atthis time and he still had
Michelle and he only would havehad one bullet left.
So that's why I'm thinking hewent upstairs this time.
Hannah (20:22):
And did you see that the tall man actually ended up
leaving?
He's still there but he's justnot in the store.
Jess (20:27):
He's in the van that they loaded all the equipment.
Hannah (20:29):
But he said he can't do it.
Jess (20:30):
Yeah, which I'm assuming he meant he couldn't kill them.
Hannah (20:34):
Because wasn't it the short man that was trying to
stuff him with the juice?
Yes, so obviously he's the moresick one.
I mean they're both sick, butyeah.
Jess (20:44):
So at this point he walked back to Oren and aimed his gun
and shot him in the head again.
The man was standing overMichelle as she was pleading for
him not to kill her.
He started to untie her feetand her hands and led her into a
different room.
Bastard, I already know what'scoming.
He then made her take off allof her clothes and for the next
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20 minutes, while the fourpeople he just shot in the head
lay in the other room.
When he was finished, heallowed her to go to the
bathroom.
Oh, so polite.
Rob (21:16):
Yeah right.
Jess (21:17):
What a true gentleman Then motioned for her, still
completely naked, to get backdown in her spot on the floor
untied and this poor girl's likewedding was right around the
corner 18 years old 18 years old, probably a virgin, waiting for
her wedding night, mm-hmm, ohGod, yeah, and her first
interaction with sex is withthis prick, with this guy.
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So let's talk about this partfor a second.
I believe this man either hadhis intention to rape Michelle
the entire time or, somewhere inthe middle of the ordeal,
decided it Because look at theorder of which he shot the
victims Carol was first Skippedover, right yeah.
And I'm not saying I would knowwhat I would do in this
situation as a woman.
If I saw another woman gettingraped, I would do what I could
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to stop.
Hannah (22:05):
Right.
Jess (22:05):
Ideally.
Hannah (22:07):
We all would hope we could do that.
Jess (22:09):
But after Carol he took out all the men.
The book doesn't mentionanything about this and it was
never mentioned in policereports or anything, but I feel
like the men would have tried tostop him too so he took them
out first.
Yeah, you said that heliterally stepped over michelle
and went to stanley and thencame back and shot oran again 20
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minutes though that must havebeen eternity for her oh, I bet
or was that, you know, herpayment for saying please don't
kill me?
I think he's just a sickindividual, yep.
Hannah (22:42):
Oh yeah, I think we've all established that.
Jess (22:43):
Yeah, so he ran upstairs again.
I don't know why he goes up anddown, up and down, and I'm
wondering why at some pointpeople didn't try to do
something while they wereupstairs.
Hannah (22:57):
Maybe just out of fear.
Maybe that's why they gave themthe liquid.
Maybe, they were probably toobusy with their intestines
getting blistered.
Jess (23:03):
Yeah, also true, michelle, bless her little heart.
After she had been raped bythis man, she asked Oren if he
was okay.
But Oren is dead, isn't he?
Up until now Oren had beenplaying dead.
Oh, he had been shot at asecond time, but the wound ended
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up being superficial and justgrazing off the back of his head
.
So he was still coherent and hewas wiggling his fingers and
toes to stay conscious.
And he had opened one eye tolook at Michelle to prove that
he was still alive.
But he was unsure.
If she saw it the short mancomes down the stairs again that
he was still alive.
But he was unsure.
If she saw it, the short mancomes down the stairs again.
So Oren closes his eyes and heflashed his flashlight over Oren
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to see if he was still alive.
He then moved over toMichelle's head and pulled the
trigger Come on.
The man then attempted tostrangle Oren with a speaker
wire.
Oh, he knew.
How the hell did he find out?
Some sources say that hechecked his pulse.
I didn't read that in the book,but I read in a different
source.
I couldn't really rememberwhich source it was, but the
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book has Oren's own testimony,so I'm kind of leaving that more
.
There's so many differencesamong sources it's kind of hard
to figure some facts out.
Oren attempted to flex his neckmuscles when the man cinched the
cord around his neck as he waspulling tighter and tighter.
He was then lowered to theground and Oren was able to
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relax his muscles and there wasa small opening for him to get
some air.
The man again went upstairs andcould be heard walking around.
The man again went upstairs andcould be heard walking around.
A few minutes later he comesback downstairs, walks over back
to Oren and Oren feelssomething rub against his
earlobe and felt a pen beingshoved into his ear.
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What the fuck?
Yeah.
The man then raised his footand stomped down on the pen,
jamming it into Oren's head.
What, it was perfect, yeah.
He stomped the pen one moretime and went upstairs for the
final time.
Hannah (25:07):
I am literally gagging right now Isn't that horrible.
That is just.
I have no words.
Jess (25:14):
I told you.
I'm glad you did it.
Hannah (25:16):
Yeah, I'm glad you did a trigger warning.
My God, it's crazy.
Jess (25:21):
So around 10 pm, oren's wife and one of their other sons
comes to the hi-fi shop lookingfor Oren and Stanley.
They found Oren still alive,despite having been shot and a
pen jammed into his head andstrangled, and strangled, and he
was up walking around, goodLord, superman.
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So the police were called andthey responded around 10 30.
So remember, this was 1974,utah.
Things like this didn't happen,right?
The police officers themselveswere in shock and at some point
during the night Carol hadrolled onto her back and
Courtney had started crawlingtowards the stairs.
So those two were both alivewhen police responded and were
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rushed to the hospital.
Both Stanley and Michelle,unfortunately, had already
passed away.
Luckily, if you call it lucky,the pen that was stomped into
Oren's ear ended up goingthrough his throat and not his
brain.
Hannah (26:22):
Oh, so it was tilting Like downward.
Jess (26:26):
Oh, the second gunshot, like I said, had only grazed the
back of his skull and was asuperficial wound.
He was able to give thedescription of the two black men
that were driving alight-colored van and an APB was
distributed, distributed,distribute, distributed.
Thank you Words they're so hardTo all police officers in the
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area and they were already onthe search.
A task force was created thatnight and a tip line was set up
before the morning.
Unfortunately, carol passedaway shortly after arriving at
the hospital.
Courtney surprisingly survivedhis injuries, but it was no easy
feat.
Courtney ended up havingnumerous surgeries on both his
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head and his esophagus.
He had to have part of hiscolon taken out to replace part
of his esophagus, just to beable to keep his airway open.
Hannah (27:22):
Okay, so we have two surviving victims that can
hopefully ID these guys.
Yes, Right, Mm-hmm, but thisshort guy I mean when you're
talking about going upstairs,downstairs, upstairs, downstairs
, and also when you're talkingabout the gun and the revolver.
You said it had six shots.
Rob (27:39):
Mm-hmm.
Hannah (27:40):
So why did he end up using a pen instead of just
trying to?
Jess (27:44):
shoot him again.
Maybe he didn't have any morerounds, I don't know.
Hannah (27:48):
Interesting.
Was he going back upstairs?
Because I mean, I watch toomuch TV and TV shows and stuff.
But, like, if you're holdingpeople hostage, right, sometimes
they go upstairs to try to likerile themselves up, like, okay,
I got this, like I can do this,I can do this, and so that they
won't see downstairs like howthey're falling apart, yeah, I
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personally, from what I've read,he is not that guy, okay, and I
think that he wasn't expectingfive people and it just happened
that that's very true threemore people came into the shop
because in the investigationthey find out that the guys
cased the shop the Saturdaynight and this happened on a
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Monday night.
Jess (28:29):
How did they find that out ?
I think one of the guysadmitted to it.
Hannah (28:35):
Oh, okay, yeah, so I don't know, do they have cameras
?
Jess (28:37):
No.
Hannah (28:38):
Okay, yeah.
Jess (28:40):
The doctors were able to find out that this vodka German
drug drink was actually drano,that he forced them okay, I was
close I was close.
What didn't burn and destroytheir bodies.
Going down had dripped out oftheir mouths and causing their
lips and skin to blister andleave scars.
Courtney ended up spending 261days in the hospital.
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Despite the gunshot wound inhis head, he was able to
graduate high school with hisclass in 1976.
Hannah (29:13):
That'd be the last thing on my mind.
Jess (29:15):
Yeah, he did have some brain damage.
It wasn't too severe, so he wasable to do trigonometry.
Hannah (29:23):
I can't do trigonometry with my brain not being injured.
Jess (29:28):
He had a lot of damage that controlled the right side
of his body, so it took him along time to get the point where
he could use that again and, asI stated previously, there was
a task force created during thenight as well as a tip line set
up.
The following morning.
There were two tips called into different departments.
The first call came throughdispatch, asking for Corporal
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Cecil Fisher.
Oh okay, cecil Weird, I knowright, I was thinking about that
when I typed out his nameCecil's.
Hannah (30:00):
So there was a Cecil.
You guys listened to episodeone there was a Sergeant.
Cecil in the missing MauraMurray case.
I mean, it's not a common name,it's?
Jess (30:10):
not.
That is weird, crazy.
So he took a call from a man tosay that he knew who did the
hi-fi job.
He informed Fisher that heknows two black guys that drive
a light blue van and their namesare Dale Pierre and William
Andrews.
He said that he heard themtalking about robbing the Hi-Fi
shop and not leaving anywitnesses.
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He was able to provideinformation on Pierre Andrews
and that they were both airmenat Hill Air Force Base about 20
minutes south of the Hi-Fi shop.
Wait, they were military.
Yep, wow.
And he was able to tell themwhich barracks they lived in and
what their room numbers were.
Around the same time, two boyswere digging through dumpsters
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for cans on base and they foundmore than they bargained for.
They found two wallets, somekeys, two purses with a
checkbook in one of them, andguess whose name was on the
checks?
Michelle Ansley.
The base police were called and, upon further inspection of
what was found in the dumpster,called the tip line.
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These tips were eventuallyconnected and the task force was
ready to take action.
So now let's have a littleconversation about jurisdiction
here.
Just because police have thisinformation, they don't have
jurisdiction on a military base.
It is considered federal landso it's under federal
jurisdiction.
I'm guessing that complicates alot of things A little bit.
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The same as the military police.
They don't have jurisdictionoutside the military base.
They can't go off base andarrest someone.
They'd have to collaborate withlocal police.
Hannah (31:50):
Do they have to worry about extradition, even though
it's the same country?
Jess (31:54):
No, no, they would just have to collaborate, gotcha.
So, with all that being said,fisher had to get in contact
with the base commander to getaccess to Pierre and Andrews.
They were able to come on baseand search the dumpster with a
search warrant, but the basecommander refused to let them on
base for the arrest unless heread the warrant, which I
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understand.
The guy's doing his job, but atthe same time it's like we know
who these guys are and we knowwhat they're capable of.
So they were eventually able toget a warrant and went to
arrest both Pierre and Andrewswithout incident.
In the book this is one of myfavorite parts it mentioned that
all the airmen who lived in thesame barracks as Pierre started
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clapping when he was let out inhandcuffs.
If that can tell you anythingabout Pierre.
Oh, my word Right.
I couldn't find much about theother suspect, william Andrews,
even though they were chargedtogether, which one was the
small guy.
Okay, so yes, thank you forasking.
Dale Pierre is the short manand William Andrews is the tall
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man.
Hannah (32:59):
Okay, yep, so Pierre was the dipshit.
Jess (33:01):
Yep.
Pierre was considered themastermind behind the murders
and there is more informationabout him.
Pierre was considered themastermind behind the murders
and there's more informationabout him.
He was born on the Isle ofTobago in the Caribbean east of
Venezuela and he describes hischildhood, as you know, good.
Nothing happened, buteventually would talk about his
mom beating him, which was thecase, but it was because he
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wasn't.
It was more disciplinary fromother sources than it was abuse,
once again 70s.
He also was reported by othersas no good and worthless and his
parents were hardworking andheld high expectations for him
to follow the rules, but heresented those restrictions and
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would sneak out of the house andhe was suspected of a lot of
thefts and there were never anycharges.
So his family eventually movedto the United States where he
joins the Air Force when he was19 and stationed at Hill Air
Force Base, which is where hemet William Andrews.
Pierre was also the primesuspect in a murder of another
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airman and this guy was killedfrom being stabbed in the eye
with a machete, but there wasnot enough evidence to charge.
Hannah (34:13):
Pierre, stabbed in the eye with a machete.
Jess (34:17):
Yeah, he was also out on bail that time for stealing two
cars from a car lot.
He would show up in uniformwanting to buy a car and take it
for a test drive, go back thatnight and steal the car and then
go back the next day actinglike he still wanted the car and
they're like well, you can't,it's stolen.
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Like this guy was ballsy withwhat he did, oh my word.
Neither he nor Andrews wouldtalk to anybody about what
happened when they awaitedtrials.
After searching Pierre'sapartment, the police had found
a receipt hidden underneath thecarpet that was underneath a
desk that was for a storage unitin Pierre's name.
The police obtained anothersearch warrant and in that unit
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they found all the stereoequipment that was stolen from
the hi-fi shop.
Even with all the evidenceagainst them, they still did not
speak.
They were convicted offirst-degree murder and
aggravated robbery on November16, 1974.
Four days later they weresentenced to death.
After all appeals were deniedand exhausted, pierre was
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executed by lethal injection onAugust 28, 1987, at the age of
34.
Andrews was executed by lethalinjection on August 28, 1987, at
the age of 34.
Andrews was executed by lethalinjection on July 30, 1992, at
the age of 37.
Hannah (35:35):
So I feel like that was pretty quick yeah.
Rob (35:40):
For execution.
Hannah (35:41):
Especially for Pierre, like it was what 10 some odd
years I mean usually guys arewaiting decades.
Jess (35:49):
Mm-hmm.
Wow, I think you know I want toend this on a good note.
Oh, hallelujah, after thishorrific case.
I talked briefly aboutCourtney's struggles after the
murders and if you really wantan in-depth look at this case
and his story, read the Victimthe Other Side of Murder.
It's such a powerful and movingstory about the Nisbet's
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experiences.
After this book was written, awoman reached out to Gary Kinder
and thanked him for writing thestory and she had experienced
trauma and it was helpful forher to know that someone else
understood her pain.
After reading Courtney's story,she eventually reached out to
Courtney to thank him.
They ended up talking and theyended up getting married.
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Wait what?
Yes Said it in the epilogue ofthis book.
So Courtney and and this womanher name was Kathy oh my gosh
From Seattle.
Hannah (36:43):
That's so sweet, isn't it?
That's adorable yeah.
Jess (36:47):
Courtney did end up passing away in 2002 from
undisclosed illness.
But I mean, we can only imagine, Right.
But yeah, that is the story ofthe Hi-Fi murders.
Hannah (36:58):
Oh, that was a ride.
Right, that was a lot.
That was some terrible, sad,horrific douche canoes Full of
douche canoes, but the douchecanoes got what was coming to
them.
Jess (37:12):
I agree, so that my friend is my story for the night.
Hannah (37:16):
Thank you, for sharing it with us, and if you guys have
any recommendations for whatkind of cases you want to hear.
I mean, there's plenty.
I think we have Lizzie Bordencoming up, we got Manson coming
up, ted Bundy, but if there'sanything you guys want to hear,
please let us know Any goodparanormal stories.
Yes, we want to hear it all.
Yes, we do Anything creepy.
Rob (37:39):
Hey there, rob, here again.
That brings us to the end ofthis chilling look back at the
Hi-Fi Mur murders, one of themost disturbing cases we've ever
featured on Wicked Wanderings.
A big thank you to our formerco-host, jess, for originally
bringing this story to life.
Her research and storytellinghelped make this one of the most
unforgettable episodes andwe're grateful to be able to
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share it with you again.
As always, thanks for listeningand we'll see you next time on
Wicked Wanderings.
Hannah (38:08):
Thanks for listening.
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co-hosted by me, courtney, andit's produced by Rob Fitzpatrick
.
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