June 18, 2025 • 30 mins
Courtney explores the haunted legend of Emily's Bridge in Stowe, Vermont, a historic covered bridge built in 1844 that's become the site of numerous paranormal encounters. The hosts discuss the tragic tale of a young woman who allegedly took her own life after being jilted by her lover and now haunts the bridge, waiting eternally for him to arrive.
• Courtney's ADHD-inspired research journey from thinking about covered bridges to investigating Vermont's most famous ghost story
• The legend of Emily waiting at midnight to elope with her lover who never arrived
• Various reported paranormal phenomena including scratches appearing on visitors, phantom music, and apparitions
• Different variations of Emily's story and the lack of historical records confirming her existence
• Discussion of whether energy can remain in places regardless of the accuracy of associated legends
• Hannah and Courtney's experiences with their new ghost box and unexplained scratches
• Claims that the Emily legend may have been fabricated in the 1970s
• Debate about whether knowing a location's history impacts paranormal experiences
• Interest in organizing a Wicked Wanderings road trip to paranormal hotspots around New England
• Pick a card segment featuring the unsolved disappearance of 10-year-old Angelo "Andy" Puglisi
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Hannah (00:00):
The straws do that.
My straws are just weird.
Courtney (00:02):
I feel like your straws are very buoyant.
Is that the word Buoyant?
Or maybe I just do weird thingswith mine?
No, mine doesn't seem.
Oh, we've got a sinker, okay.
Hannah (00:28):
Hi, I'm Hannah and I'm Courtney.
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky.
Grab your flashlight and getready to wander into the
darkness with us.
This is Wicked Wanderings, hiAnna, hi Courtney.
Courtney (01:00):
I have an interesting thing I want to talk about.
Oh yes, what, what, what, what?
So everybody who knows meprobably even the Wanderers at
this point knows that I've gotsome severe ADHD going on, and
it's relatively new to me and myADHD tends to be more driving
along and doing my thing and allof a sudden I'm just like
thinking about a topic.
(01:21):
So the other day I'm drivingalong and I don't remember where
I was.
It's not really pertinent.
I feel like initially, when Iwas trying to like put this
whole episode together, I wasthinking about how you're going
to be like and how did this?
Come about.
So I'm just driving along and Isaw I must've saw something
outside that reminded me of fall, which is not hard to do
because I love fall.
So I was thinking about aboutfall and then I was thinking
(01:44):
about Old Sturbridge Village.
Hannah (01:45):
You gotta stay with me here on this train, okay.
Courtney (01:47):
And what's the best part about Old Sturbridge
Village God?
Hannah (01:50):
that's okay.
I feel like that's a multipleanswer question.
Courtney (01:53):
Okay, well, give me the top three best things about
Old Sturbridge Village Okay.
Hannah (01:57):
The atmosphere, okay, the buildings.
Courtney (02:00):
Think specifically, think less broad, think like,
what are three things that you,if you could go to Old
Sturbridge Village right now,what are three things there you
would want to look at?
The nature, the covered bridge,yeah, well, I said the
buildings, the covered bridge,yes, and so I was thinking about
fall while I'm driving, which,oh?
Hannah (02:17):
yes, hannah, I'm raising my hand.
I remember as a little girleveryone wants to hear this
story.
In fourth grade my class did afield trip there and when we did
, the person that was likeleading our field trip obviously
was in the clothing of the timeand she had us like count down
to the time, so it was like 2000, 1990.
(02:40):
That's a very interesting wayto do it.
And so by the time we got tothe other side of the bridge,
where, like, the actual villagewas Right, we were back in that
time and it was really.
I'll never forget that.
Courtney (02:49):
That's a really cool experience.
Yes, I feel like everybody hasa memory.
If you're from the area of OldSturbridge Village, I used to
work there for a very long timeI'll give them the free
advertising and I had my weddingthere.
Anyways, great place to work.
I used to work in weddings atOld Sturbridge.
Hannah (03:04):
Village, also so great place to get married.
She did not work mine, whichwas weird.
Okay, they actually don't doweddings there anymore.
Courtney (03:09):
Fun fact what?
Yeah, sorry to drop that one onyou.
Yeah, somebody had asked me acouple months ago like, oh, hey,
you used to work there.
Do you have anybody still worksthere?
Like yeah, they won't doweddings anymore.
Hannah (03:22):
So it's sad, oh my God, wow, okay, that's really sad.
Courtney (03:28):
Sorry guys, okay, I'm so sorry to drop that on, Hannah
.
Anyways, back to my coveredbridge.
So one of my favorite thingsthat I ever saw at Old
Sturbridge Village was they usedto do and they probably would
bring it back.
It was a really big event.
It would sell out every singletime event.
Hannah (03:45):
It would sell out every single time the sleepy hollow
experience.
Courtney (03:47):
Yeah did you see it?
I have not.
I saw it once every year and itwas amazing.
So it was very old.
Starbridge village is set uplike a village and the best part
about it was it was atheatrical performance where you
could walk through the villageand the scene would change and
the actors would follow you, butyou were in a three-dimensional
village walking through, and soone of my favorite scenes is
the headless horseman comingover the covered bridge scene so
(04:08):
you have to figure in my ADHDbrain, everyone.
I'm so sorry that you're gettinglike a glimpse of what my brain
looks like.
When I think covered bridges, Ialways think about Old
Sturbridge Village, and it gotme thinking about places where
there's other covered bridges.
I only know of one othercovered bridge.
That's like one I could safelynavigate my way to, and it is
near one of my favoriteabandoned places, but that's not
(04:28):
the bridge that we're going totalk about today.
Oh no, I'm bringing you Emily'sBridge.
I don't know about Emily'sBridge.
You don't know about Emily'sBridge, okay, is it in
Massachusetts?
It is not in Massachusetts, oh,okay.
So Emily's Bridge is located inStowe, vermont, so it's
somewhat local.
Hannah (04:48):
Oh, stowe is well known and Stowe is beautiful, for
hiking right and very historic,which is what I learned I say
hiking.
Courtney (04:54):
I meant she's doing the motion for eating, but she's
saying hiking.
Hannah (04:59):
No, I'm doing skiing.
Courtney (05:01):
That's eating, anyways .
So Emily's Bridge is located inStowe, vermont.
It's a historic covered bridge.
It was also known as the GoldBrook Bridge, which is its
formal name, cool.
So now you're probablywondering why are we talking
about this and who the fuck isEmily?
Right, exactly.
I need to kind of tell you whatthe bridge is.
(05:21):
First, cool, it's a 50-footlong one-lane bridge that was
built in 1844 over the GoldBrook hence Gold Brook Bridge
and it is arguably one of theoldest remaining covered bridges
in the United States.
Oh my God love.
So when you're thinking an oldcovered bridge, what do you
(05:41):
think we're going to talk about?
About Emily's Bridge?
Hannah (05:44):
The Haunted.
Courtney (05:47):
Obviously, obviously, obviously.
Hannah (05:48):
let me just kind of set this visual stage for the water
which I love that you're doing,because I feel like people that
aren't from you know high newengland like this, like they're
like what the fuck is a coveredbridge but like if you, you guys
need to come new england, seethese covered bridges they're
gorgeous, beautiful.
Courtney (06:02):
I'm actually gonna see if I can come up with a picture
of it to see if we can like putit on social media, because
there's actually one inwilburham, massachusetts, that,
like, obviously is not as old,but they still have one onto a
street and it's gorgeous there'salso one in hardwick,
massachusetts, which is alsobeautiful, and it's on a street
in hardwick where nobody everdrives, so you can pretty much
(06:23):
always get a perfect picture ofit.
My only quarrel is, as aphotographer, the street signs
that they put near them, thatyou can't.
You have to photoshop them out,which is kind of, but anyways.
So you have to picture thislike set the scene it's a fall
weekend, you're in stow withyour honey, you're driving along
and you see this dark woodbridge covered one lane.
(06:46):
It's perfectly spooky, it'sperfectly picturesque, over a
small brook, it's just beautiful.
But what you wouldn't expect isthat a popular local legend as
dark as the one that I'm aboutto tell you love good haunting
according to popular legends,sometime between 1849 and the
(07:08):
beginning of the 1900s.
It's very vague, it's a legend Iknow.
Anybody who listened to thewindigo episode probably hates
me doing this kind of episode.
Wait why?
Because I feel like I have alot of questions and not a lot
of answers and I'm I'm notafraid to pose those questions
that's according to the VermontHistory website.
I did try to cite where, when itcomes to legends, just like I
(07:28):
did for the Wendigo episode, ayoung woman was said to have met
her lover at the covered bridgeto run away and elope.
So it's believed that Emily hadthis lover, who was someone
that her parents did not approveof.
She loved him and she wanted torun away with him, and she
wanted to elope.
According to the legend, shewaited at the bridge at midnight
, which was the time they haddecided to meet why is it always
(07:50):
fucking?
I don't understand that either.
I'm assuming.
I mean it's legend.
So I'm wondering if there'ssomething to do with the number
12 or like the start of a newday, the end of a day.
It seems very symbolic to me.
But she shows up there and sheis ready to meet her lover,
she's ready to run away.
It's midnight and she'sstanding there.
And she's standing there andhe's not showing up.
(08:11):
Those damn men you know.
Jilted by this hurt, she tookher own life at the bridge and
she haunts the bridge waitingfor her lover ever since.
Oh hell, no Is the short versionMm hmm.
She is alleged to wait for him,growing angrier and more
heartbroken as the days go onand he doesn't arrive to meet
(08:33):
her.
Some stories have a variationwhere she hung herself from the
rafters in her distraught statewhen he didn't arrive and run
away with her to begin theirlife together.
Some talk about some verydifferent things that go along
the lines of anywhere from shewas going to a wedding and was
(08:54):
thrown off her horse, she endedup in the river.
there's a lot of differentvariations of how emily got this
you have passed, but thegeneral consensus is that she is
still there haunting the bridge, waiting for her lover, and it
really struck me.
I listened to a few podcastsabout it, I read a lot of
different websites about it,blog posts etc.
(09:14):
And it just seems to me that alot of people wanted to talk
about the fact that the legendis so simple and it's so
different.
A lot of websites really gotinto debunking it couldn't have
possibly been true.
But what I kind of fall back onand this is another reason why
I thought of this is that therewere a lot of experiences people
had had there.
There were a lot of paranormalexperiences, and that's fresh on
(09:37):
my mind because Miss Hannah hada birthday in May.
For those of you who didn'tknow that, we have a little
moment for a happy birthday toMiss Hannah.
Hannah (09:46):
Hey Taurus.
Courtney (09:48):
And Hannah's much-awaited gift from me was
what.
It was a ghost box and tell thepeople what a ghost box is if
they're not familiar with what aghost box is Okay.
Hannah (10:00):
So a ghost box is basically.
It looks like a radio, like anold-school radio, that what is
believed to happenscientifically is that,
depending on the frequency youare, you can go through am fm
and you can go through likedifferent speeds, but that
somehow the different ghosts onthe other side are able to
(10:23):
interact with the messagescoming through on the am fm
radio and are able to speak toyou through that.
So, like you ask them questionsand they're able to pick up on
the words and the frequencies,be able to talk to you.
Courtney (10:32):
So I so, like you, ask them questions and they're able
to pick up on the words and thefrequencies to be able to talk
to you.
So I had that in my head aswell.
So everything about the S-box.
So I wanted to really look atsomething that was paranormal
and also a covered bridge, whichseems very unique.
Interest.
Now, travelers, evidently and Ididn't know about this bridge
until I started diving into itEvidently travelers who are
seeking paranormal, paranormalactivity, who are doing some
kind of ghost hunting, from allover the world visit this bridge
(10:54):
and they reported things likeapparitions, voices, lights and
other haunted happenings.
And it actually has been coinedvermont's most famous ghost
story, which I thought wasinteresting because we also
don't talk a ton about vermont.
Yeah, it's one of those placesthat and I don't know why,
because it really is a placefilled with history, but there's
(11:15):
a lot of different things thatare said to have happened here
and I want to walk you throughthem to see what you think could
be debunked as something for avermont outdoors bridge, okay,
or haunted happenings I have onequestion though before you do
that so I think about theappalachian trail, which is
supposed to be like one of theoldest parts of the world, and
(11:37):
very very spooky.
Hannah (11:39):
Yes, so that goes from georgia to maine.
Does it go through?
That goes through hampshire,not vermont, right?
Courtney (11:45):
double check that, all right.
I wish rob from the future washere, because I do think that
there's a lot of weird thingsabout darkness there.
Hannah (11:53):
Does the Appalachian Trail go through Vermont?
Courtney (11:55):
Yes, the Appalachian Trail goes through Vermont.
The trail covers 150 miles inVermont.
Hannah (12:02):
So I think that's interesting to say that.
They're saying that because theAppalachian Sorry, I'm talking
away from the mic theAppalachian Trail is a very
haunted place, but please,please, continue.
I just was curious if it wentthrough there.
Rob from the future, can youplease give us information?
Thank you, hi, rob.
Here the Appalachian Trail doesgo through Vermont and in fact
the Long Trail goes throughVermont and the Appalachian
(12:25):
Trail was designed based on theLong Trail.
Courtney (12:29):
Rob from the future.
Hannah (12:30):
We do love when he taps himself in to include things.
Okay, I'm ready for this.
Courtney (12:36):
So some of the different things that were
reported were kind of a verywide range, which for me
immediately was like is thisjust people who have had a
haunted experience and they'rejust listing things off, but I
am going to be quoting fromthevermantracom for anybody who
wants to look at it.
Oh my God, I had no quotes onmy last episode.
I know, I just thought aboutthat too, and here I am quoting.
Tourists and visitors toemily's bridge have experienced
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a wide range of unexplained,potentially supernatural
phenomenon.
Others have even reportedseeing and hearing the following
after they parked their carphantom lights, flashing white
lights with no source.
It is not lighted from what myresearch shows, which is not
uncommon for a covered bridgedisembodied voices cries for
help from unseen woman,specifically a woman, ghostly
(13:19):
apparition, a form of a girlseen near the bridge.
Unexplained scratches on bodiesand cars and remember that's
when people have parked theircar, so so they're outside of
the vehicle.
Dramatic temperaturefluctuations, photos showing
anomalies, blurry shapes,figures in the background, some
of the more notable things thatwere a little bit more specific
(13:43):
Phantom music heard under thebridge near the Gold Brook.
I wish there was a little bitmore information on like what
type of music, but music photosfail to develop or contain
blemishes of certain areas ofthe bridge.
Okay, cars, paint jobs ruinedby invisible claw marks.
And claw is what really caughtme.
(14:03):
On that one, I think claw youimmediately think animal, but a
claw could be fingernail,fingernails as well.
The driver experiencing foggywindshield with handprints on it
.
Hannah (14:15):
Horses avoiding the bridge appearing with bloody
gashes on the horses okay, I'mgonna stop you for a second
because I have a couple things.
So the horse thing.
I think animals have reallygood instinct me too about
certain things but I have areally hard time with flashing
lights, unless it's like in abuilding that doesn't have
electricity, because I feel likewe have so many insects that
(14:37):
have a hundred percent a way ofhaving lights show and would you
go to a covered bridge withouta form of light, whether it was
your phone.
Yeah, I just have a hard timewith that one.
Courtney (14:47):
You just moved and your headset has silver on it.
And when you move, ever soslightly there's a little bit.
I do tend to agree that,especially also if the era of
time that they're believing thatthe this Emily would have taken
her own life or somehow hadexpired at this bridge in the
1800s.
What type of flashing typelight would you?
(15:09):
I mean a lantern, but that oneseems a little bit far-fetched.
Hannah (15:14):
But if she was trying to meet her lover in secret?
Courtney (15:17):
why would she bring?
She wouldn't probably bring alight.
Hannah (15:18):
Yeah, that doesn't make any logical sense to me.
It's a continuation of some ofthese things we've seen.
Courtney (15:24):
And I do want to highlight that this one
specifically states a group ofteenagers claiming these.
So whenever it's teenagers I'ma little bit skeptical, but
we'll give them the benefit ofthe doubt.
Seeing the apparition of awoman approach their parked car
immediately makes me be likewhat were you doing in the
parked car right?
They wish the entity jigglingtheir door handles, trying to
(15:45):
enter and a figure dissipatedafter failing to gain access to
the vehicle.
They also note that sometimeshats have blown away from
visitors heads and other objectsmove.
On calm days, which I mean, ahat could blow off of your head,
but on a calm day it's a littlebit I would just, I would just
believe the animal thing morethan anything, I feel definitely
(16:08):
.
I think a lot of this folkloreis very heavy on people wanting
to debunk it.
So they do state also thatthere's a lot of logical
explanations for all of thesedifferent things, but the
paranormal tales continue tolive on, regardless of whether
emily was alive.
And so it got me to thinking,because I listened to one
podcast.
They were really hung up onlike debunking it and I'm kind
(16:29):
of like does it matter?
Because if the bridge has thatmuch history, that line really
stuck out to me because is itEmily or is it someone else?
And does it matter?
Right?
I think about places like who'sa tunnel, a bloody pit?
Right?
How do you know who?
Hannah (16:44):
the person is.
Energy stays in objects.
Energy stays 100%.
So, on a different note,because when you were talking
about like scratches justshowing up on people not to turn
this on me, but you know thatwe were trying the ghost box yes
, in my house and in the placethat I live, which has a lot of
historical value, the land has alot of historical value.
So I was sitting in our bedroomwatching something and I just
(17:08):
like had my arm like just kindof hanging out right and all of
a sudden I'm like ow, like whydoes this hurt?
And I look and I had thisscratch.
I don't even know if you cansee the remnants.
I'll have to look when I'm inthe light there's something a
little bit near elbow.
There was a scratch and I waslike, where the hell did that
come from?
And I was like, all right,whatever.
(17:29):
I just kept going about my day.
I'm like, oh my god.
I was like, all right, whatever, I just kept going about my day
.
I'm like, oh my God.
I was like, is someone tryingto give me a hit?
I mean, maybe I don't know.
I don't always think thatscratches are malicious.
I think that sometimes they'rejust hey, get your attention,
they're not trying to hurt you.
Courtney (17:46):
And I also think in some contexts, let's say in your
situation, if somebody didn'tleave a mark on you, you might
not even think twice about thesituation, right, you might just
be like, okay, well, there'snothing on me, so yeah and I'm
clumsy, I bump into shit all thetime, but like I was just
laying in bed, right and all ofa sudden I got a scratch.
Hannah (18:07):
I was like where'd this come from?
Like I was probably watchinglike sister wives or something.
Courtney (18:12):
I love how sister wives is immediately the thing
that you come up with.
I don't think it's fair to talkabout all of the potential
haunted happenings withoutmentioning that a lot of sources
really did go heavy into thehistory again.
Just like camp windigo, therewere no records that verified
that emily was a real person whoever died at the bridge, but
again if you're thinking 1800s.
Would there be records andwhere would they be?
(18:34):
We had this problem with CampWendigo too.
Hannah (18:36):
I just I guess I would look at the local cemeteries,
even if there wasn't any right.
Courtney (18:40):
But Emily was kind of a very common name too.
And then who's to say thatsomebody didn't go to the
cemetery?
Look up, oh okay, there's anEmily from that time, and then
just make it up.
Hannah (18:49):
Maybe I'm just hoping that someone would have been
like, oh, if they are Emily andthey were young, I see what
you're saying.
I see what you're saying.
Courtney (18:57):
It's definitely something where I'm probably
going to continue down thisrabbit hole, because there was a
lot of Like you said, if theirname's not Emily, then Right,
yeah, right, there were varyinglegends that offered a lot of
different, conflicting details,which is kind of something that
a lot of researchers werelooking into, as if there's not
one set story.
Then how do we find evidence?
Which one do we go down?
And I know a lot of times withfolklore, there are a lot of
(19:19):
different tellings of it.
Some people were actuallyclaiming that the actual death
that occurred there if oneoccurred there was of a young
girl in a 1920s accident, but Icouldn't find any specific
example of what that.
what kind of accident like whatit didn't go into and it was
kind of like Like was it thatthey didn't go into?
And it was kind of like, hmm,but like what type?
Hannah (19:39):
of accident.
So I feel like the only thingthat has going for this bridge
is that things happened near it.
Courtney (19:44):
A lot of energy was put into it and that's it, yeah,
and I think there's a lot ofplaces in the world for, like
you were saying, energy shifts.
There's a lot of places thatjust have history to them and
things.
A lot of places that just havehistory to them and things
happen in those places andsometimes things just happen in
general too, and then who's tosay that the people who are
visiting didn't have somebodywith them already?
(20:04):
because I do think that, while alot of spirits wouldn't
necessarily hang around with oneparticular person maybe I just
don't think I'm interestingenough I do think that some
people would carry people aroundwith them.
Yeah, so it's definitelyinteresting and I had it on my
mind because of all of the ghosthunting things.
I'm curious if the Wanderersenjoy folklore things.
I know that we haven't done aton of folklore exploration.
(20:28):
I know Lynn from Springfieldwill Lynn from.
Springfield probably has somethoughts on it.
This one did seem a little bitmore far-fetched and I almost
did come up with a different oneto kind of talk about, because
it was a little flat but I alsothought that conversationally
talking about things even whenthere isn't a lot of history to
them is still kind of important,because you can think about
camp wendigo now seems a littlebit less far-fetched to me
(20:51):
because of the information thatwas available and like looking
at spooky Massachusetts book.
Hannah (20:55):
like those tales were so short, it was like.
But is there any?
That's true, A lot of folkloresare very short because I feel
like there is a grain of truthto every folklore that we have
Things start somewhere.
Courtney (21:07):
I do firmly believe that, and even if, for me, I
obviously love history too, evenif a place doesn't necessarily
have this morbid type of storywhich, unfortunately, as a
society, we do clearly tend tofavor the morbid stories.
There is a lot of.
Really.
I kind of like that you endedyours with a silver lining and
so did I, because there's a lotof great things still for this
(21:27):
particular site, yeah, itremains open to vehicle traffic,
still in Stowe.
It is monitored by neighborsand the Stowe Police Department
to make sure that nobodyvandalizes it, but it is still a
landmark that people can driveacross.
It's visited frequently byparanormal investigators and
historians.
It's something that bringsattention and economic value to
Stowe as well.
Not that it needs a ton more,but it does have some pull for
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people.
It is included in ghost toursand haunted trails in the area,
which obviously to me means thatpeople do have a high value of
thinking.
It has some paranormal activityand it's the subject of books,
documentaries and websites.
It's a photo hotspot forvisitors and it's an accessible
attraction that draws people inand it can be something that
everyone can access.
Hannah (22:11):
I would love to make our own Wicked Wanderings road trip
where we can just go throughNew England and go to all these
hot spots and just be able tolike even record like a 15
minute episode and just bringthe Wanderers with us somehow I
don't know, even if it was likea long weekend or something.
I think it'd be so much fun.
Courtney (22:29):
Do you want me to tell you the thing that I found out
at the end of all my research?
Yeah, at the end of all all ofmy research I was kind of really
trying to get into like, doesanybody have any actual data?
We love the data.
Joseph sitro, who is thevermont's authority on all
things haunted and ghostly okay,has what he believes is the
(22:49):
real story of emily's bridge andhow it's not quite so romantic
or even true, and so this is anexcerpt from an interview that
he did with Obscure Vermont, andhere I am quoting here I am
quoting.
The story of Emily's Bridgedoesn't go back to the 1800s,
but rather much more recently,in the 1970s.
Oh, a woman by the name ofNancy Wolfstead claimed that she
(23:09):
was the one who created thestory of Emily to scare the
local youth.
The local youth.
There was a swimming holesomewhere near Stowe and
Morrisville.
She remembers making up thestory of the bridge to amuse the
kids.
At the time there was a hugesurge in the occult and the
paranormal in the flypaper thatis popular culture, especially
with films like the Exorcistthat had recently debuted, which
I hated.
She was also the one who cameup with the name Emily, however.
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However, I do think that somepeople would say things like
that for attention.
Yes, knowing what we know, youguys can decide.
Do you think that?
Hannah (23:42):
I guess it's a multi-part question it is do you
think?
Courtney (23:45):
that the story of emily is true?
And if you say no which is okaybecause I think I err on that
side what do you think thereason for the paranormal
happenings at Emily's bridge are?
Hannah (24:00):
I don't want to discount who the person was Right.
Do I think their name was Emily?
As of right now, no, couldsomething have possibly happened
?
Yes, is it possible that someold hag like you just described
was like trying to scarechildren?
Okay, that also would addenergy to the bridge, but I one
(24:21):
thing I do agree on is that thatenergy is at that bridge and
there is something there there'sdefinitely something and I also
was thinking about, but itdepends on the questions you ask
.
That's right, that's true, youknow, it depends on what you
feed it.
Courtney (24:36):
That's true because when we were kind of doing our
own ghost adventure yes, I canalso see now which I had a lot
of opinions about ghost hunting,and though I did my small stint
amateur in high school that Idon't often admit out loud.
You can definitely hear andhave things happen to you when
you're open to them, and thenyou are thinking the whole time
(24:57):
right, is this happening to mebecause I'm open and receptive?
to it, so I'm willing, theenergy towards me, yes?
Or is the psychology of mybrain telling me things are
happening when they aren't right?
And I truthfully think I usedto think, even a couple of weeks
ago that people like when I'mwatching zach bagan with you and
you're like all into it and I'mlike, oh my god, that is not
what that said.
Hannah (25:18):
He's on my naughty list right now, so we're not talking
about him okay, he's not herboyfriend Zach Began anymore.
He's just that guy.
Courtney (25:24):
We broke up, that guy, yep if I was gonna do the
perfect ghost hunt.
Let me rephrase all of what I'mtrying to say confirmed
activity, okay with you and yourghost spot.
If I could go to a place Iwouldn't want to know the
history so in depth, okay thatmy brain could have the chance
to make things up, because I dothink, as cool as it would be to
(25:47):
go to a place liketrans-allegheny right, I know
that history inside and out itwould be cool to hear things
back and then say did I hearthem say blue, what about that
woman that has that house on theroad?
Yeah, I do have a little.
I want to tease it wonders,because I don't know if I'm
going to be able to get it, butI do have a hunch.
I do have a hunch on a place.
(26:09):
Perhaps that could be cool forit, and I do think now that we
have some equipment, perhaps Icould sway the person.
Hannah (26:15):
I'll try again, oh my God that we have some equipment.
Perhaps I could sway the person.
I'll try again.
Oh my god, I'll try again.
I'm gonna have an orgasm justthinking about this right now.
Courtney (26:20):
Okay, I love how she takes her headset off to say I'm
gonna have an orgasm justthinking about this right now,
even though the microphone isstill on.
Hannah (26:26):
Uh, I'm gonna do pick a card any card wanders before
this gets any more strange butalso I love that you were like
hannah's getting antsy right now, which my last episode
wanderers.
She was like, oh, but, but washe the husband?
Oh, he was the father, rightlike I had a lot of questions.
Courtney (26:40):
You calm your moo moo down.
I I hope that the wanderers canlet me know.
Do you guys like hearing aboutfolklore?
Do you want me to return backto my realm of serial killers?
I'm trying to go with thefeedback and try to, you know,
shake it up a little bit.
Hannah (26:53):
We're trying, tell us let know?
Courtney (26:55):
Do you hate my folklore stuff?
Cousin Mark, you don't count.
You don't get to tell me serialkillers, because you're going
to tell me serial killers always.
Hannah (27:02):
I know that, and you're going to answer every question,
right?
Courtney (27:04):
I'm going to do pick a card, any card to myself,
because I have the cards.
I have the eight of clubs.
Angelo Andy Puglisi.
On August 21st 1976, a10-year-old boy went missing
(27:24):
from the Higgins pool inLawrence.
He was last seen atapproximately 5.45 pm walking
around the pool area wearinggreen swim trunks.
Andy has never been found.
That's so sad and he is anadorable little boy again.
His name was angelo andypuglisi.
If you have any informationabout this case, please call
1-855-MA-SOLVE.
(27:46):
That is so sad.
I feel like lawrence comes upin these cards a lot and I do
know that it's a populationdensity, probably situation, but
I do feel like the last fewtimes I've pulled cards I feel
like they've been someplace inthat area people suck dude and
when it's a kid it just reallyhits home, especially how old he
was.
I'm sorry, um, it did say he wasa 10 year old boy and that was
(28:07):
in 1976.
That's, oh my god, just soyou're talking 50-something
years ago, now, right, 50.
Hannah (28:17):
Yeah, almost 50.
Almost 50.
He must be in his 50s by now.
Wow.
Courtney (28:21):
And that's just.
It's so sad when it's a missingpersons case.
I know that we obviously runyou know true crime and wicked
wanderings type of podcasts, butthere's just something about
for what we both do for work.
Seeing a child, you know, gomissing or get hurt, seeing a
child, you know, go missing orget hurt, that's just a little
bit, a little extra unsettling.
So again, if you guys have anyinformation or any type of lead,
(28:42):
Well, thank you, Courtney.
Hannah (28:44):
That was a great episode .
That was a lot of fun, and,wanderers, please again text us,
let us know.
Courtney (28:51):
I'm going to put a poll up.
I'm going to put a poll up onwhenever Rob is putting this
episode out.
I'm going to make a story forthis to see what we can kind of
get for categories out there,because we want to give you guys
we obviously enjoy doing whatwe do, but we want to give you
guys the content that you wantto hear too.
And now, obviously, with WickedWanderings being as far into it
as it is, we've covered a lotof different things we have and
we're by no means running out.
(29:12):
So don't anybody think we'regoing anywhere, because that's
not going to happen.
But there's so many topics tochoose from and it's so easy to
go down a rabbit hole of justserial killers or yes?
just murder.
We definitely went down amurder hole for a little while.
There we're trying to even itback out.
So let us know.
And until next time, Wanderers.
Hannah (29:32):
Bye, wanderers.
Thanks for listening today.
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The straws do that.
My straws are just weird.
Courtney (00:02):
I feel like your straws are very buoyant.
Is that the word Buoyant?
Or maybe I just do weird thingswith mine?
No, mine doesn't seem.
Oh, we've got a sinker, okay.
Hannah (00:28):
Hi, I'm Hannah and I'm Courtney.
Join us as we delve into truecrime, paranormal encounters and
all things spooky.
Grab your flashlight and getready to wander into the
darkness with us.
This is Wicked Wanderings, hiAnna, hi Courtney.
Courtney (01:00):
I have an interesting thing I want to talk about.
Oh yes, what, what, what, what?
So everybody who knows meprobably even the Wanderers at
this point knows that I've gotsome severe ADHD going on, and
it's relatively new to me and myADHD tends to be more driving
along and doing my thing and allof a sudden I'm just like
thinking about a topic.
(01:21):
So the other day I'm drivingalong and I don't remember where
I was.
It's not really pertinent.
I feel like initially, when Iwas trying to like put this
whole episode together, I wasthinking about how you're going
to be like and how did this?
Come about.
So I'm just driving along and Isaw I must've saw something
outside that reminded me of fall, which is not hard to do
because I love fall.
So I was thinking about aboutfall and then I was thinking
(01:44):
about Old Sturbridge Village.
Hannah (01:45):
You gotta stay with me here on this train, okay.
Courtney (01:47):
And what's the best part about Old Sturbridge
Village God?
Hannah (01:50):
that's okay.
I feel like that's a multipleanswer question.
Courtney (01:53):
Okay, well, give me the top three best things about
Old Sturbridge Village Okay.
Hannah (01:57):
The atmosphere, okay, the buildings.
Courtney (02:00):
Think specifically, think less broad, think like,
what are three things that you,if you could go to Old
Sturbridge Village right now,what are three things there you
would want to look at?
The nature, the covered bridge,yeah, well, I said the
buildings, the covered bridge,yes, and so I was thinking about
fall while I'm driving, which,oh?
Hannah (02:17):
yes, hannah, I'm raising my hand.
I remember as a little girleveryone wants to hear this
story.
In fourth grade my class did afield trip there and when we did
, the person that was likeleading our field trip obviously
was in the clothing of the timeand she had us like count down
to the time, so it was like 2000, 1990.
(02:40):
That's a very interesting wayto do it.
And so by the time we got tothe other side of the bridge,
where, like, the actual villagewas Right, we were back in that
time and it was really.
I'll never forget that.
Courtney (02:49):
That's a really cool experience.
Yes, I feel like everybody hasa memory.
If you're from the area of OldSturbridge Village, I used to
work there for a very long timeI'll give them the free
advertising and I had my weddingthere.
Anyways, great place to work.
I used to work in weddings atOld Sturbridge.
Hannah (03:04):
Village, also so great place to get married.
She did not work mine, whichwas weird.
Okay, they actually don't doweddings there anymore.
Courtney (03:09):
Fun fact what?
Yeah, sorry to drop that one onyou.
Yeah, somebody had asked me acouple months ago like, oh, hey,
you used to work there.
Do you have anybody still worksthere?
Like yeah, they won't doweddings anymore.
Hannah (03:22):
So it's sad, oh my God, wow, okay, that's really sad.
Courtney (03:28):
Sorry guys, okay, I'm so sorry to drop that on, Hannah
.
Anyways, back to my coveredbridge.
So one of my favorite thingsthat I ever saw at Old
Sturbridge Village was they usedto do and they probably would
bring it back.
It was a really big event.
It would sell out every singletime event.
Hannah (03:45):
It would sell out every single time the sleepy hollow
experience.
Courtney (03:47):
Yeah did you see it?
I have not.
I saw it once every year and itwas amazing.
So it was very old.
Starbridge village is set uplike a village and the best part
about it was it was atheatrical performance where you
could walk through the villageand the scene would change and
the actors would follow you, butyou were in a three-dimensional
village walking through, and soone of my favorite scenes is
the headless horseman comingover the covered bridge scene so
(04:08):
you have to figure in my ADHDbrain, everyone.
I'm so sorry that you're gettinglike a glimpse of what my brain
looks like.
When I think covered bridges, Ialways think about Old
Sturbridge Village, and it gotme thinking about places where
there's other covered bridges.
I only know of one othercovered bridge.
That's like one I could safelynavigate my way to, and it is
near one of my favoriteabandoned places, but that's not
(04:28):
the bridge that we're going totalk about today.
Oh no, I'm bringing you Emily'sBridge.
I don't know about Emily'sBridge.
You don't know about Emily'sBridge, okay, is it in
Massachusetts?
It is not in Massachusetts, oh,okay.
So Emily's Bridge is located inStowe, vermont, so it's
somewhat local.
Hannah (04:48):
Oh, stowe is well known and Stowe is beautiful, for
hiking right and very historic,which is what I learned I say
hiking.
Courtney (04:54):
I meant she's doing the motion for eating, but she's
saying hiking.
Hannah (04:59):
No, I'm doing skiing.
Courtney (05:01):
That's eating, anyways .
So Emily's Bridge is located inStowe, vermont.
It's a historic covered bridge.
It was also known as the GoldBrook Bridge, which is its
formal name, cool.
So now you're probablywondering why are we talking
about this and who the fuck isEmily?
Right, exactly.
I need to kind of tell you whatthe bridge is.
(05:21):
First, cool, it's a 50-footlong one-lane bridge that was
built in 1844 over the GoldBrook hence Gold Brook Bridge
and it is arguably one of theoldest remaining covered bridges
in the United States.
Oh my God love.
So when you're thinking an oldcovered bridge, what do you
(05:41):
think we're going to talk about?
About Emily's Bridge?
Hannah (05:44):
The Haunted.
Courtney (05:47):
Obviously, obviously, obviously.
Hannah (05:48):
let me just kind of set this visual stage for the water
which I love that you're doing,because I feel like people that
aren't from you know high newengland like this, like they're
like what the fuck is a coveredbridge but like if you, you guys
need to come new england, seethese covered bridges they're
gorgeous, beautiful.
Courtney (06:02):
I'm actually gonna see if I can come up with a picture
of it to see if we can like putit on social media, because
there's actually one inwilburham, massachusetts, that,
like, obviously is not as old,but they still have one onto a
street and it's gorgeous there'salso one in hardwick,
massachusetts, which is alsobeautiful, and it's on a street
in hardwick where nobody everdrives, so you can pretty much
(06:23):
always get a perfect picture ofit.
My only quarrel is, as aphotographer, the street signs
that they put near them, thatyou can't.
You have to photoshop them out,which is kind of, but anyways.
So you have to picture thislike set the scene it's a fall
weekend, you're in stow withyour honey, you're driving along
and you see this dark woodbridge covered one lane.
(06:46):
It's perfectly spooky, it'sperfectly picturesque, over a
small brook, it's just beautiful.
But what you wouldn't expect isthat a popular local legend as
dark as the one that I'm aboutto tell you love good haunting
according to popular legends,sometime between 1849 and the
(07:08):
beginning of the 1900s.
It's very vague, it's a legend Iknow.
Anybody who listened to thewindigo episode probably hates
me doing this kind of episode.
Wait why?
Because I feel like I have alot of questions and not a lot
of answers and I'm I'm notafraid to pose those questions
that's according to the VermontHistory website.
I did try to cite where, when itcomes to legends, just like I
(07:28):
did for the Wendigo episode, ayoung woman was said to have met
her lover at the covered bridgeto run away and elope.
So it's believed that Emily hadthis lover, who was someone
that her parents did not approveof.
She loved him and she wanted torun away with him, and she
wanted to elope.
According to the legend, shewaited at the bridge at midnight
, which was the time they haddecided to meet why is it always
(07:50):
fucking?
I don't understand that either.
I'm assuming.
I mean it's legend.
So I'm wondering if there'ssomething to do with the number
12 or like the start of a newday, the end of a day.
It seems very symbolic to me.
But she shows up there and sheis ready to meet her lover,
she's ready to run away.
It's midnight and she'sstanding there.
And she's standing there andhe's not showing up.
(08:11):
Those damn men you know.
Jilted by this hurt, she tookher own life at the bridge and
she haunts the bridge waitingfor her lover ever since.
Oh hell, no Is the short versionMm hmm.
She is alleged to wait for him,growing angrier and more
heartbroken as the days go onand he doesn't arrive to meet
(08:33):
her.
Some stories have a variationwhere she hung herself from the
rafters in her distraught statewhen he didn't arrive and run
away with her to begin theirlife together.
Some talk about some verydifferent things that go along
the lines of anywhere from shewas going to a wedding and was
(08:54):
thrown off her horse, she endedup in the river.
there's a lot of differentvariations of how emily got this
you have passed, but thegeneral consensus is that she is
still there haunting the bridge, waiting for her lover, and it
really struck me.
I listened to a few podcastsabout it, I read a lot of
different websites about it,blog posts etc.
(09:14):
And it just seems to me that alot of people wanted to talk
about the fact that the legendis so simple and it's so
different.
A lot of websites really gotinto debunking it couldn't have
possibly been true.
But what I kind of fall back onand this is another reason why
I thought of this is that therewere a lot of experiences people
had had there.
There were a lot of paranormalexperiences, and that's fresh on
(09:37):
my mind because Miss Hannah hada birthday in May.
For those of you who didn'tknow that, we have a little
moment for a happy birthday toMiss Hannah.
Hannah (09:46):
Hey Taurus.
Courtney (09:48):
And Hannah's much-awaited gift from me was
what.
It was a ghost box and tell thepeople what a ghost box is if
they're not familiar with what aghost box is Okay.
Hannah (10:00):
So a ghost box is basically.
It looks like a radio, like anold-school radio, that what is
believed to happenscientifically is that,
depending on the frequency youare, you can go through am fm
and you can go through likedifferent speeds, but that
somehow the different ghosts onthe other side are able to
(10:23):
interact with the messagescoming through on the am fm
radio and are able to speak toyou through that.
So, like you ask them questionsand they're able to pick up on
the words and the frequencies,be able to talk to you.
Courtney (10:32):
So I so, like you, ask them questions and they're able
to pick up on the words and thefrequencies to be able to talk
to you.
So I had that in my head aswell.
So everything about the S-box.
So I wanted to really look atsomething that was paranormal
and also a covered bridge, whichseems very unique.
Interest.
Now, travelers, evidently and Ididn't know about this bridge
until I started diving into itEvidently travelers who are
seeking paranormal, paranormalactivity, who are doing some
kind of ghost hunting, from allover the world visit this bridge
(10:54):
and they reported things likeapparitions, voices, lights and
other haunted happenings.
And it actually has been coinedvermont's most famous ghost
story, which I thought wasinteresting because we also
don't talk a ton about vermont.
Yeah, it's one of those placesthat and I don't know why,
because it really is a placefilled with history, but there's
(11:15):
a lot of different things thatare said to have happened here
and I want to walk you throughthem to see what you think could
be debunked as something for avermont outdoors bridge, okay,
or haunted happenings I have onequestion though before you do
that so I think about theappalachian trail, which is
supposed to be like one of theoldest parts of the world, and
(11:37):
very very spooky.
Hannah (11:39):
Yes, so that goes from georgia to maine.
Does it go through?
That goes through hampshire,not vermont, right?
Courtney (11:45):
double check that, all right.
I wish rob from the future washere, because I do think that
there's a lot of weird thingsabout darkness there.
Hannah (11:53):
Does the Appalachian Trail go through Vermont?
Courtney (11:55):
Yes, the Appalachian Trail goes through Vermont.
The trail covers 150 miles inVermont.
Hannah (12:02):
So I think that's interesting to say that.
They're saying that because theAppalachian Sorry, I'm talking
away from the mic theAppalachian Trail is a very
haunted place, but please,please, continue.
I just was curious if it wentthrough there.
Rob from the future, can youplease give us information?
Thank you, hi, rob.
Here the Appalachian Trail doesgo through Vermont and in fact
the Long Trail goes throughVermont and the Appalachian
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Trail was designed based on theLong Trail.
Courtney (12:29):
Rob from the future.
Hannah (12:30):
We do love when he taps himself in to include things.
Okay, I'm ready for this.
Courtney (12:36):
So some of the different things that were
reported were kind of a verywide range, which for me
immediately was like is thisjust people who have had a
haunted experience and they'rejust listing things off, but I
am going to be quoting fromthevermantracom for anybody who
wants to look at it.
Oh my God, I had no quotes onmy last episode.
I know, I just thought aboutthat too, and here I am quoting.
Tourists and visitors toemily's bridge have experienced
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a wide range of unexplained,potentially supernatural
phenomenon.
Others have even reportedseeing and hearing the following
after they parked their carphantom lights, flashing white
lights with no source.
It is not lighted from what myresearch shows, which is not
uncommon for a covered bridgedisembodied voices cries for
help from unseen woman,specifically a woman, ghostly
(13:19):
apparition, a form of a girlseen near the bridge.
Unexplained scratches on bodiesand cars and remember that's
when people have parked theircar, so so they're outside of
the vehicle.
Dramatic temperaturefluctuations, photos showing
anomalies, blurry shapes,figures in the background, some
of the more notable things thatwere a little bit more specific
(13:43):
Phantom music heard under thebridge near the Gold Brook.
I wish there was a little bitmore information on like what
type of music, but music photosfail to develop or contain
blemishes of certain areas ofthe bridge.
Okay, cars, paint jobs ruinedby invisible claw marks.
And claw is what really caughtme.
(14:03):
On that one, I think claw youimmediately think animal, but a
claw could be fingernail,fingernails as well.
The driver experiencing foggywindshield with handprints on it
.
Hannah (14:15):
Horses avoiding the bridge appearing with bloody
gashes on the horses okay, I'mgonna stop you for a second
because I have a couple things.
So the horse thing.
I think animals have reallygood instinct me too about
certain things but I have areally hard time with flashing
lights, unless it's like in abuilding that doesn't have
electricity, because I feel likewe have so many insects that
(14:37):
have a hundred percent a way ofhaving lights show and would you
go to a covered bridge withouta form of light, whether it was
your phone.
Yeah, I just have a hard timewith that one.
Courtney (14:47):
You just moved and your headset has silver on it.
And when you move, ever soslightly there's a little bit.
I do tend to agree that,especially also if the era of
time that they're believing thatthe this Emily would have taken
her own life or somehow hadexpired at this bridge in the
1800s.
What type of flashing typelight would you?
(15:09):
I mean a lantern, but that oneseems a little bit far-fetched.
Hannah (15:14):
But if she was trying to meet her lover in secret?
Courtney (15:17):
why would she bring?
She wouldn't probably bring alight.
Hannah (15:18):
Yeah, that doesn't make any logical sense to me.
It's a continuation of some ofthese things we've seen.
Courtney (15:24):
And I do want to highlight that this one
specifically states a group ofteenagers claiming these.
So whenever it's teenagers I'ma little bit skeptical, but
we'll give them the benefit ofthe doubt.
Seeing the apparition of awoman approach their parked car
immediately makes me be likewhat were you doing in the
parked car right?
They wish the entity jigglingtheir door handles, trying to
(15:45):
enter and a figure dissipatedafter failing to gain access to
the vehicle.
They also note that sometimeshats have blown away from
visitors heads and other objectsmove.
On calm days, which I mean, ahat could blow off of your head,
but on a calm day it's a littlebit I would just, I would just
believe the animal thing morethan anything, I feel definitely
(16:08):
.
I think a lot of this folkloreis very heavy on people wanting
to debunk it.
So they do state also thatthere's a lot of logical
explanations for all of thesedifferent things, but the
paranormal tales continue tolive on, regardless of whether
emily was alive.
And so it got me to thinking,because I listened to one
podcast.
They were really hung up onlike debunking it and I'm kind
(16:29):
of like does it matter?
Because if the bridge has thatmuch history, that line really
stuck out to me because is itEmily or is it someone else?
And does it matter?
Right?
I think about places like who'sa tunnel, a bloody pit?
Right?
How do you know who?
Hannah (16:44):
the person is.
Energy stays in objects.
Energy stays 100%.
So, on a different note,because when you were talking
about like scratches justshowing up on people not to turn
this on me, but you know thatwe were trying the ghost box yes
, in my house and in the placethat I live, which has a lot of
historical value, the land has alot of historical value.
So I was sitting in our bedroomwatching something and I just
(17:08):
like had my arm like just kindof hanging out right and all of
a sudden I'm like ow, like whydoes this hurt?
And I look and I had thisscratch.
I don't even know if you cansee the remnants.
I'll have to look when I'm inthe light there's something a
little bit near elbow.
There was a scratch and I waslike, where the hell did that
come from?
And I was like, all right,whatever.
(17:29):
I just kept going about my day.
I'm like, oh my god.
I was like, all right, whatever, I just kept going about my day
.
I'm like, oh my God.
I was like, is someone tryingto give me a hit?
I mean, maybe I don't know.
I don't always think thatscratches are malicious.
I think that sometimes they'rejust hey, get your attention,
they're not trying to hurt you.
Courtney (17:46):
And I also think in some contexts, let's say in your
situation, if somebody didn'tleave a mark on you, you might
not even think twice about thesituation, right, you might just
be like, okay, well, there'snothing on me, so yeah and I'm
clumsy, I bump into shit all thetime, but like I was just
laying in bed, right and all ofa sudden I got a scratch.
Hannah (18:07):
I was like where'd this come from?
Like I was probably watchinglike sister wives or something.
Courtney (18:12):
I love how sister wives is immediately the thing
that you come up with.
I don't think it's fair to talkabout all of the potential
haunted happenings withoutmentioning that a lot of sources
really did go heavy into thehistory again.
Just like camp windigo, therewere no records that verified
that emily was a real person whoever died at the bridge, but
again if you're thinking 1800s.
Would there be records andwhere would they be?
(18:34):
We had this problem with CampWendigo too.
Hannah (18:36):
I just I guess I would look at the local cemeteries,
even if there wasn't any right.
Courtney (18:40):
But Emily was kind of a very common name too.
And then who's to say thatsomebody didn't go to the
cemetery?
Look up, oh okay, there's anEmily from that time, and then
just make it up.
Hannah (18:49):
Maybe I'm just hoping that someone would have been
like, oh, if they are Emily andthey were young, I see what
you're saying.
I see what you're saying.
Courtney (18:57):
It's definitely something where I'm probably
going to continue down thisrabbit hole, because there was a
lot of Like you said, if theirname's not Emily, then Right,
yeah, right, there were varyinglegends that offered a lot of
different, conflicting details,which is kind of something that
a lot of researchers werelooking into, as if there's not
one set story.
Then how do we find evidence?
Which one do we go down?
And I know a lot of times withfolklore, there are a lot of
(19:19):
different tellings of it.
Some people were actuallyclaiming that the actual death
that occurred there if oneoccurred there was of a young
girl in a 1920s accident, but Icouldn't find any specific
example of what that.
what kind of accident like whatit didn't go into and it was
kind of like Like was it thatthey didn't go into?
And it was kind of like, hmm,but like what type?
Hannah (19:39):
of accident.
So I feel like the only thingthat has going for this bridge
is that things happened near it.
Courtney (19:44):
A lot of energy was put into it and that's it, yeah,
and I think there's a lot ofplaces in the world for, like
you were saying, energy shifts.
There's a lot of places thatjust have history to them and
things.
A lot of places that just havehistory to them and things
happen in those places andsometimes things just happen in
general too, and then who's tosay that the people who are
visiting didn't have somebodywith them already?
(20:04):
because I do think that, while alot of spirits wouldn't
necessarily hang around with oneparticular person maybe I just
don't think I'm interestingenough I do think that some
people would carry people aroundwith them.
Yeah, so it's definitelyinteresting and I had it on my
mind because of all of the ghosthunting things.
I'm curious if the Wanderersenjoy folklore things.
I know that we haven't done aton of folklore exploration.
(20:28):
I know Lynn from Springfieldwill Lynn from.
Springfield probably has somethoughts on it.
This one did seem a little bitmore far-fetched and I almost
did come up with a different oneto kind of talk about, because
it was a little flat but I alsothought that conversationally
talking about things even whenthere isn't a lot of history to
them is still kind of important,because you can think about
camp wendigo now seems a littlebit less far-fetched to me
(20:51):
because of the information thatwas available and like looking
at spooky Massachusetts book.
Hannah (20:55):
like those tales were so short, it was like.
But is there any?
That's true, A lot of folkloresare very short because I feel
like there is a grain of truthto every folklore that we have
Things start somewhere.
Courtney (21:07):
I do firmly believe that, and even if, for me, I
obviously love history too, evenif a place doesn't necessarily
have this morbid type of storywhich, unfortunately, as a
society, we do clearly tend tofavor the morbid stories.
There is a lot of.
Really.
I kind of like that you endedyours with a silver lining and
so did I, because there's a lotof great things still for this
(21:27):
particular site, yeah, itremains open to vehicle traffic,
still in Stowe.
It is monitored by neighborsand the Stowe Police Department
to make sure that nobodyvandalizes it, but it is still a
landmark that people can driveacross.
It's visited frequently byparanormal investigators and
historians.
It's something that bringsattention and economic value to
Stowe as well.
Not that it needs a ton more,but it does have some pull for
(21:50):
people.
It is included in ghost toursand haunted trails in the area,
which obviously to me means thatpeople do have a high value of
thinking.
It has some paranormal activityand it's the subject of books,
documentaries and websites.
It's a photo hotspot forvisitors and it's an accessible
attraction that draws people inand it can be something that
everyone can access.
Hannah (22:11):
I would love to make our own Wicked Wanderings road trip
where we can just go throughNew England and go to all these
hot spots and just be able tolike even record like a 15
minute episode and just bringthe Wanderers with us somehow I
don't know, even if it was likea long weekend or something.
I think it'd be so much fun.
Courtney (22:29):
Do you want me to tell you the thing that I found out
at the end of all my research?
Yeah, at the end of all all ofmy research I was kind of really
trying to get into like, doesanybody have any actual data?
We love the data.
Joseph sitro, who is thevermont's authority on all
things haunted and ghostly okay,has what he believes is the
(22:49):
real story of emily's bridge andhow it's not quite so romantic
or even true, and so this is anexcerpt from an interview that
he did with Obscure Vermont, andhere I am quoting here I am
quoting.
The story of Emily's Bridgedoesn't go back to the 1800s,
but rather much more recently,in the 1970s.
Oh, a woman by the name ofNancy Wolfstead claimed that she
(23:09):
was the one who created thestory of Emily to scare the
local youth.
The local youth.
There was a swimming holesomewhere near Stowe and
Morrisville.
She remembers making up thestory of the bridge to amuse the
kids.
At the time there was a hugesurge in the occult and the
paranormal in the flypaper thatis popular culture, especially
with films like the Exorcistthat had recently debuted, which
I hated.
She was also the one who cameup with the name Emily, however.
(23:38):
However, I do think that somepeople would say things like
that for attention.
Yes, knowing what we know, youguys can decide.
Do you think that?
Hannah (23:42):
I guess it's a multi-part question it is do you
think?
Courtney (23:45):
that the story of emily is true?
And if you say no which is okaybecause I think I err on that
side what do you think thereason for the paranormal
happenings at Emily's bridge are?
Hannah (24:00):
I don't want to discount who the person was Right.
Do I think their name was Emily?
As of right now, no, couldsomething have possibly happened
?
Yes, is it possible that someold hag like you just described
was like trying to scarechildren?
Okay, that also would addenergy to the bridge, but I one
(24:21):
thing I do agree on is that thatenergy is at that bridge and
there is something there there'sdefinitely something and I also
was thinking about, but itdepends on the questions you ask
.
That's right, that's true, youknow, it depends on what you
feed it.
Courtney (24:36):
That's true because when we were kind of doing our
own ghost adventure yes, I canalso see now which I had a lot
of opinions about ghost hunting,and though I did my small stint
amateur in high school that Idon't often admit out loud.
You can definitely hear andhave things happen to you when
you're open to them, and thenyou are thinking the whole time
(24:57):
right, is this happening to mebecause I'm open and receptive?
to it, so I'm willing, theenergy towards me, yes?
Or is the psychology of mybrain telling me things are
happening when they aren't right?
And I truthfully think I usedto think, even a couple of weeks
ago that people like when I'mwatching zach bagan with you and
you're like all into it and I'mlike, oh my god, that is not
what that said.
Hannah (25:18):
He's on my naughty list right now, so we're not talking
about him okay, he's not herboyfriend Zach Began anymore.
He's just that guy.
Courtney (25:24):
We broke up, that guy, yep if I was gonna do the
perfect ghost hunt.
Let me rephrase all of what I'mtrying to say confirmed
activity, okay with you and yourghost spot.
If I could go to a place Iwouldn't want to know the
history so in depth, okay thatmy brain could have the chance
to make things up, because I dothink, as cool as it would be to
(25:47):
go to a place liketrans-allegheny right, I know
that history inside and out itwould be cool to hear things
back and then say did I hearthem say blue, what about that
woman that has that house on theroad?
Yeah, I do have a little.
I want to tease it wonders,because I don't know if I'm
going to be able to get it, butI do have a hunch.
I do have a hunch on a place.
(26:09):
Perhaps that could be cool forit, and I do think now that we
have some equipment, perhaps Icould sway the person.
Hannah (26:15):
I'll try again, oh my God that we have some equipment.
Perhaps I could sway the person.
I'll try again.
Oh my god, I'll try again.
I'm gonna have an orgasm justthinking about this right now.
Courtney (26:20):
Okay, I love how she takes her headset off to say I'm
gonna have an orgasm justthinking about this right now,
even though the microphone isstill on.
Hannah (26:26):
Uh, I'm gonna do pick a card any card wanders before
this gets any more strange butalso I love that you were like
hannah's getting antsy right now, which my last episode
wanderers.
She was like, oh, but, but washe the husband?
Oh, he was the father, rightlike I had a lot of questions.
Courtney (26:40):
You calm your moo moo down.
I I hope that the wanderers canlet me know.
Do you guys like hearing aboutfolklore?
Do you want me to return backto my realm of serial killers?
I'm trying to go with thefeedback and try to, you know,
shake it up a little bit.
Hannah (26:53):
We're trying, tell us let know?
Courtney (26:55):
Do you hate my folklore stuff?
Cousin Mark, you don't count.
You don't get to tell me serialkillers, because you're going
to tell me serial killers always.
Hannah (27:02):
I know that, and you're going to answer every question,
right?
Courtney (27:04):
I'm going to do pick a card, any card to myself,
because I have the cards.
I have the eight of clubs.
Angelo Andy Puglisi.
On August 21st 1976, a10-year-old boy went missing
(27:24):
from the Higgins pool inLawrence.
He was last seen atapproximately 5.45 pm walking
around the pool area wearinggreen swim trunks.
Andy has never been found.
That's so sad and he is anadorable little boy again.
His name was angelo andypuglisi.
If you have any informationabout this case, please call
1-855-MA-SOLVE.
(27:46):
That is so sad.
I feel like lawrence comes upin these cards a lot and I do
know that it's a populationdensity, probably situation, but
I do feel like the last fewtimes I've pulled cards I feel
like they've been someplace inthat area people suck dude and
when it's a kid it just reallyhits home, especially how old he
was.
I'm sorry, um, it did say he wasa 10 year old boy and that was
(28:07):
in 1976.
That's, oh my god, just soyou're talking 50-something
years ago, now, right, 50.
Hannah (28:17):
Yeah, almost 50.
Almost 50.
He must be in his 50s by now.
Wow.
Courtney (28:21):
And that's just.
It's so sad when it's a missingpersons case.
I know that we obviously runyou know true crime and wicked
wanderings type of podcasts, butthere's just something about
for what we both do for work.
Seeing a child, you know, gomissing or get hurt, seeing a
child, you know, go missing orget hurt, that's just a little
bit, a little extra unsettling.
So again, if you guys have anyinformation or any type of lead,
(28:42):
Well, thank you, Courtney.
Hannah (28:44):
That was a great episode .
That was a lot of fun, and,wanderers, please again text us,
let us know.
Courtney (28:51):
I'm going to put a poll up.
I'm going to put a poll up onwhenever Rob is putting this
episode out.
I'm going to make a story forthis to see what we can kind of
get for categories out there,because we want to give you guys
we obviously enjoy doing whatwe do, but we want to give you
guys the content that you wantto hear too.
And now, obviously, with WickedWanderings being as far into it
as it is, we've covered a lotof different things we have and
we're by no means running out.
(29:12):
So don't anybody think we'regoing anywhere, because that's
not going to happen.
But there's so many topics tochoose from and it's so easy to
go down a rabbit hole of justserial killers or yes?
just murder.
We definitely went down amurder hole for a little while.
There we're trying to even itback out.
So let us know.
And until next time, Wanderers.
Hannah (29:32):
Bye, wanderers.
Thanks for listening today.
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