July 9, 2025 • 36 mins
Courtney takes us on a journey to Spider Gates Cemetery in Leicester, Massachusetts, exploring the legends and history behind this mysterious Quaker burial ground known for supernatural phenomena.
• Spider Gates Cemetery, formally known as Friends Cemetery, dates back to the 1740s
• The cemetery earned its nickname from ornate iron gates that resembled spider webs, though they were removed in 2022 due to vandalism
• Notable burials include Stephen Earl (famous local architect), Pliny Earl (inventor of the first working carding machine), and Marmaduke Earl
• The cemetery is home to multiple legends including the Hanging Tree, a vanishing cemetery that can only be seen once, and speaking graves
• Marmaduke Earl's grave features a distinct ring of dirt from visitors performing rituals to hear him speak
• The most famous legend claims Spider Gates is the "eighth gate to hell"
• Despite its spooky reputation, the cemetery is a peaceful, well-maintained place that prohibits paranormal investigations
• Visitors should respect cemetery rules and only visit during daylight hours
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Courtney (00:00):
My computer just alerted me like popped up, and
it said heat watch just issued.
It's been hot since like May1st.
But also, I'm sitting here andI need everyone to understand
what we're working with here.
I'm sitting here in leggings,covered in skeleton keys, with a
black hoodie on, and Hannah ishere in her Halloween themed Moo
Moo dress.
(00:20):
Okay your flashlight and getready to wander into the
(00:41):
darkness with us.
Hannah (00:58):
This is Wicked Wanderings.
Hello Hannah, hello Courtney,hello hannah hello cottony.
Courtney (01:06):
So today I have a very special episode.
Okay, so lots of you know thatI've been trying to kind of
branch away from murder, whichis challenging for someone who
reads a lot about that kind ofthing, but I've been trying to
go into legends and lore aboutthings that are in New England
(01:27):
area.
Obviously, bonus points if it'sfrom Massachusetts, we're from
Massachusetts.
But I was having a really slowSunday a couple weeks ago and I
found myself in a little placecalled Leicester, massachusetts.
Hannah (01:41):
Leicester when is Leicester?
Courtney (01:43):
Leicester is.
If you are following Route 9from the Belcher Town, palmer
area, yep, and you're going upinto the Brookfields, okay, and
then you're going to end up inLeicester before you go to
Worcester.
Hannah (01:55):
So it's on the way to Worcester.
Courtney (01:57):
That's an area that I'm very familiar with.
I went to undergrad atWorcester State University, so I
actually never realized howclose this place I was at and
Worcester State University.
So I actually never realizedhow close this place I was at
and Worcester State Universitywere.
What was your mascot.
Hannah (02:08):
You don't know your mascot of your alma mater.
Courtney (02:10):
I only went there for two years.
My other two years were at theUniversity of New England in
Maine.
Hannah (02:14):
What's the mascot for your master's?
I don't know.
I don't think either.
Courtney (02:18):
We have the same master's, I know.
Does Bay Path have a Today'sthe session of Googling?
Does?
Hannah (02:24):
Bay Path.
Have a.
All I'm thinking about isblueberries, but I know it's
because of your drink.
Courtney (02:28):
Rory the Wildcat.
Oh, and that is spelled likeR-O-A-R-Y.
Yeah, anyways Well.
Hannah (02:37):
I know my alma mater from my undergrad, so which was
what Golden Bears?
I rode the Golden Bear, just soyou know Well, I.
Courtney (02:42):
Golden bears.
I rode the golden bear.
I'll just say it.
I don't want to know anythingelse about that.
I have pictures for proof.
I think we will post those toour social media.
Hannah (02:49):
You want to see an 18-year-old, hannah, everybody.
Courtney (02:50):
I think if we can get two people to write into us, I
will make sure that photo seesthe light of day.
It's worth it everybody.
Hannah (02:57):
On our Instagram 2008 style Woo.
Courtney (03:01):
But the place in Leicester, massachusetts, is
none other than Spider GatesCemetery.
Hannah (03:09):
I've wanted to go there so bad.
Courtney (03:10):
I was thinking about the Wanderers, because I believe
it was one of Hannah's episodes, probably quite a few months
ago, where we were talking aboutwe were doing trivia from one
of the books and Spider Gatescame up, and so it's been on my
kind of list of things I wantedto talk about and there was
definitely some information thatI kind of already you know,
quote unquote knew, becausewe're talking about a local
legend type of thing.
But there's definitely a lotthat I didn't know as well.
(03:32):
So prior to 2025, when we'rerecording this episode I had
gone to Spider Gate Cemeteryprobably six years ago, six or
seven, so I had been, but it hadbeen kind of a while.
So Spider Gate Cemetery is inLeicester, massachusetts.
It is commonly known and itsactual formal name is Friends
(03:52):
Cemetery.
Friends, yes, so it is FriendsCemetery.
It's just known better in ourtype of community as Spider Gate
Cemetery.
Okay, it is a privately ownedcemetery that is maintained by
the Worcester Friends Meeting,which is a Quaker group sounds
quaker which is how friendscemetery became its name so
quakers are buried there.
Hannah (04:12):
Yes, interesting.
Courtney (04:14):
It's a very interesting place.
The graves on site date back asfar as the 1740s for the
earliest burial, and really it'smade up of a bunch of local
families, mostly the Earl familyand then the Southwick family,
which must have been veryprominent in the Quaker
community back in that time.
Some of the most noteworthypeople there's three people that
I'm going to talk about, butthe first most noteworthy person
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to be buried in the cemetery isStephen Earl Earl, and Stephen
was a famous architect whodesigned several local buildings
to that area.
So the lester public librarywas one of his designs, bancroft
tower was one of his designsand the boynton hall on the
worcester polytech university orwpi campus in worcester were
his designs okay, so he'sprobably like the most famous
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person who's buried there.
And then there's two othernoteworthy occupants of the
cemetery Pliny Earl, who createdthe first working carding
machine in America, as well ashis son, dr Pliny Earl Jr, who
financed the cemetery'srestoration at the close of the
19th century.
So obviously he's big becausehe put money directly back into
the cemetery.
That's obviously been aroundfor quite some time.
(05:21):
What I found the mostinteresting from wandering
around and looking at every oneof the graves is it is very well
maintained and the most recentburial on the grounds was in
2021.
Well shit, yeah, I was reallyhoping to find some more
information about that, like,maybe there's a way that
somebody could be eithergrandfathered in because of
connections that they had yeahor maybe the plot was purchased
(05:41):
for them or agreed upon for themand that's why they're there,
but it doesn't seem like anybodyelse close to that time.
There were some like early 2000s, but they were few and far
between.
There's not that many graveswithin the cemetery.
It's very small.
Hannah (05:54):
I thought you weren't allowed to walk through it.
I thought that was somethingyou had told me before you can
walk through it, you care?
Courtney (06:00):
Yes, you can.
It's very.
It's not traditional like aregular cemetery that we think
about.
I don't want to say regular,because it probably was very
regular at the time, but it'snot like one that you can drive
into and you definitely can't.
There's no like paths within it.
It's like one big grassy.
Was there anybody there whenyou were there?
No, it was just me.
When you are going to theSpider Gate Cemetery from the
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street, it's completely unmarked.
So you arrive on the street andyou have to walk down a short
wooded path.
The cemetery entrance sits onthe right side of the path,
probably about like a third of amile in.
It's really not that far of awalk.
The entrance is marked withstone walls that once held the
gates and a sign announcing thegrounds as the Friends Cemetery,
along with a few policies thatI thought the wanderers might
(06:42):
find interesting.
I actually took a picture ofthe sign which I'm going to
describe here, and you'llunderstand why I'm not posting
it after I read you the policies, not rules.
The first one is no trespassingin the cemetery after dark,
which seems pretty reasonable, Ithink most places.
Plus, if you think about it,this road it's over by, like
where the airport in Worcesteris like right on that line of.
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Worcester and Leicester, so it'svery dark.
There's not any overhead lights, even on the road that you
would be on, so it would be likein complete darkness.
The second rule is photographsmay be taken for personal use
only.
Video, sound and other types ofrecording are prohibited.
All recordings require priorwritten permission before use on
the internet or publication ofany kind.
I would love who you would haveto talk to to get permission
(07:31):
for that.
There's an email, really.
There is an email directlylisted on their sign as well,
which I did think that for thepurpose of our podcast, I might
reach out, but I also didn'twant to cause too much of like
uh no, we don't want you to usethat yeah the third rule and
this is the one that I think isgoing to make you the most
intrigued investigations of theparanormal are prohibited,
specifically listed in the rules, interesting.
And then the fourth rulebicycles and motorized vehicles
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are prohibited.
I feel like that's a no-brainerone though I don't even know
how you would get one in there.
Then there's a policy at theend that says and here I am
quoting and here I am quotingthe cemetery is surrounded by
the city of worcester reservoirproperty which is posted with no
trespassing signs.
The area is regularly patrolledand monitored.
Violations of posted area mayresult in arrest.
(08:12):
Okay, well, we don't want that,and so all of this sounds very
like unwelcoming.
But what I really love thatthey put at the top of their
sign.
It says we hope you will treatthe cemetery as you would the
one where your friends andrelatives are buried and I feel
like that says a lot, becausethey are kind of telling you hey
, these are all the things thatwe don't allow, these are all
things that are prohibited.
(08:32):
But at the same time it feltwelcoming to like, not like hey,
you can't come in here, right?
right it's just treat it withrespect, which I don't think is
too much to ask realistically.
So by this point you'reprobably thinking why is this
place called spider gateCemetery?
Courtney, this sounds like avery reasonable cemetery.
It's small right, and it'sQuaker, no-transcript.
(09:09):
So Spider Gate Cemetery is thehome to many, many legends and
tales among Massachusetts localsand other enthusiasts of the
paranormal.
It earned its name as SpiderGates because the gates at the
cemetery's entrance were oncegrand, dark and looked like
spider webs.
The art inspiration behind theiron gates that were installed
in 1895 were actually aportrayal of sun rays, which
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personally, after reading aboutthe sun rays, I can see the
vision behind what they weredoing.
But on a personal note, I stillsee the spiderwebs, which could
just be my inner love of morbidthings in my morbid mind.
But I think that to me,sunshine is bright, sunshine is
delicate, and yellows andoranges, and to me, if you're
going to talk about a black irongate, it just doesn't.
Hannah (09:55):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't scream sunshine.
No, it doesn't.
Courtney (09:57):
And I think that also, it's just so many years of
portraying in this dark, moodylight.
As a photographer, I'm like no,they're spider webs.
Yeah, at some point theoriginal gates were said to have
been taken out withoutpermission and that the gates
needed to be replaced.
So there is some question and,depending on where you look in
the research, that the originalgates from 1895 are not there
and that they were swapped outfor another set of gates and we
(10:19):
don't know where those gates areno, it looks like, from things
I could find, that those gateswere taken without permission
that's really sad it gets evenmore sad.
Oh jeez, sadly, as of 2022, thelegendary and spooky gates are
no longer on the premises that'sjust sad.
Hannah (10:35):
Like did they finally?
Like you know what?
There's no point.
Courtney (10:37):
It was very sad and I didn't do my reading beforehand
because I like to.
I like to go to the placesbefore I've done any kind of
research and just kind of feelit out and you know, take my
pictures do my thing.
So when I went the first time Ihad gone in like 2019 I had seen
the gates.
I have pictures of the gateswhich I will post because I will
, and they're beautiful.
And so I'm like, oh my god, I'mso excited to see them again.
(10:58):
I'm gonna take pictures, I'mgonna show them to the wanders,
I'm gonna show them to Hannah.
And then I got there and I waslike there's no gates and so,
logically in my mind, I'm likewho stole the gates?
Hannah (11:07):
so I started looking into it I just want to say I
appreciate that you want to seea place before reading it,
especially a place like spiregate, because you want to get
the feel for it, because I thinkwe've seen stories before of
people that are like I had noidea about all the stories
behind this and I can tell youall the creepy things that I
felt and it matches up or itdoesn't match up with what
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people say.
Courtney (11:29):
Oh, absolutely, and one of the things that I think I
mean.
So I did my research and I cameup with things after doing my
visit and I didn't look back atthe pictures I took, which is
anyone who knows me is probablychuckling to themselves right
now because I am awful atediting photos.
Like I will take photos andyears later someone will be like
, hey, do you have those editedphotos?
Hannah (11:47):
and I'm like no, I don't like I have, I will say wanders
for her birthday this year.
Yeah, the best friend here gother a cute little printer of her
pictures.
Has she used it yet?
No, no, I'll use it tomorrowlies because I wanted her to
print her beautiful pictures.
Courtney (12:07):
I'm horrible at it.
I'm horrible at it and I thinkit stems from like a place of
feeling like things areunfinished, so I haven't edited
my photos by the point that Iwas doing the research.
And then, as I was doing theresearch, I was like, oh, you
know what, let me go back andlike look through and see what I
have that the wanderers mightwant to see on social media, and
I will tell you when I get tothe point.
But there was a point where I'mso glad that I had taken the
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pictures before doing a deepdive, because there is a picture
that I took that I'm shocked Iwas drawn to without
understanding any of the legendslove that we'll get there
everybody stay, you know littleteasers.
Stay on your toes.
There have been many rumorssurrounding the reasoning for
why they're not there.
Some were stating that thegates had been stolen or that
they simply vanished.
Hannah (12:49):
Simply vanished, yeah, I mean you know, Gates, I guess,
do that.
Courtney (12:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't understand that one.
It seemed far-fetched to me,but intriguing.
The gates were removed in 2022due to vandalism and graffiti
that were sustained in the year.
So unfortunately, you know,maybe not the most exciting, but
I'm glad that they werepreserved.
My inner historicpreservationist was very excited
.
The Leicester HistoricalSociety has them safely kept
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while they determine how to makethem accessible and viewable to
the general public and stillmaintaining their safety.
So that was a really big piece.
They wanted to make sure thatthey could keep them safe and
there is some talk on differentlocal newspaper sites.
I saw where they're trying notmonuments, but they're trying to
do some type of historicpreservation with other
buildings.
They're thinking aboutincorporating them there.
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So it would be a really nicetribute for people to be able to
see them and have them still beprotected, because they won't
go back to the cemetery butright exactly, which is a little
sad, and I'm sure that probablythe friends meeting house
doesn't feel great about that,but they were in danger there.
There's really no way to closelymonitor them as much as they
wanted to people suck they do,and it's unfortunate too,
(13:53):
because when I had seen them in,you know, like 2019 or 2018,
there was no damage to them.
I mean wear and tear from beingoutside and being an iron gate,
but nothing.
That was unexpected yeah, yeah,I can't imagine why graffiti
would be something that youwould see, and I was a little
surprised to read that, becausewhen I was there walking around,
I always kind of take aninventory of is there any
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graffiti, is there any trash?
Like?
I'm one of those people whobring a bag with me and like
pick up the trash and take it,but other than things that were
supposed to be there, I didn'tsee any trash, and so maybe
somebody is really keeping up onit.
I'm not sure, but it was niceto see that it wasn't destroyed,
because a lot of places likethat tend to get left behind to
the wayside, abandoned andforgotten.
One of the things that I'mdrawn to the most about Spider
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Gates is that, unlike mostspooky haunted places that have
one legend behind them, spiderGates has several different
legends and stories which Ialways find intriguing, because
the more you read, the more youfind out.
It's kind of like a really bigrabbit hole, which I think is
something I say all the time onthis podcast.
I have a rabbit hole sixthsense, like I'm always finding
the rabbit hole.
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The first one that I'm going totalk about is the hanging tree.
Okay, there's a really largeoak tree on the property that is
said to be haunted by the ghostof someone who took their own
life by hanging in the tree.
Some people have claimed that astrange white oozy substance has
also been seeping from theground and runes have been
discovered in rocks just outsideof the cemetery walls, which is
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just outside of where the treeis, and the tree is definitely
very ominous.
There are some people who weresaying things like there was a
rope that was hanging from thetrees.
I haven't been able to validateany of those things.
Another one of those caseswhere some sources will say it's
there and then people will goand do their blogging of it and
say, ok, there wasn't anything.
I wouldn't really expect thereto be anything.
(15:41):
I think it's a little juvenilemaybe to think that the rope
would still be there if that wasthe case, but there's
definitely at least two trees onthe property that come to my
mind that could have definitelyfit that bill that definitely
are very ominous and dark.
The second story surrounds thecave.
This one is probably the mostfar-fetched for me.
There's a cave well, there'ssaid to be a cave where a young
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woman was murdered years ago.
In all of my research, no onehas ever been able to locate or
validate that a cave exists okay, let alone that there was a
woman murdered in the cave.
Nearby there is a river that issaid to be the Styx River,
which allegedly leads to theUnderworld, which is the only
thing I was able to kind of findand lump with that.
Hannah (16:22):
The Styx River.
Dude, yeah, I love Greekmythology, so that's.
Courtney (16:27):
There's a lot of that and the more I'm getting into
doing and I love that one of ourwanders had kind of urged us to
go outside of the path of justserial killers and true crime
because I'm learning that Ireally enjoy legends and I enjoy
the symbolism of differentparts of it.
Whether it's true or not, thestorytelling part of it is is
entertaining.
Yeah, I think number three isone of my favorites.
(16:50):
Okay, the Vanishing Cemetery.
Ooh, and this one, I think, isit sounds so far-fetched, but
also to me it almost seems likeit could be the most reasonable.
So, you're going to have to bearwith me, okay.
So some people have claimedthat a second cemetery appears
across the street and can onlybe seen by an individual one
time.
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So if you see it one time time,it will never be there again.
If you listen closely, you canhear a demonic creature roaming
amok in the woods.
I added amok.
I had to throw hocus pocus inhere.
It's unclear why the secondcemetery can only be seen once.
Like I've looked into whypeople hypothesize that I could
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never get anyone to relateanything back to.
I was thinking you know thedimensions of hell or something,
because everything else relates.
But there was a very interestingstory and account from the
Worcester Telegram, which istheir local paper in Worcester
and according to the WorcesterTelegram one woman had gone to
the cemetery with her daughterand it was kind of around dusk,
I would say the sun was up, butit was coming down.
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It wasn't.
They weren't violating anyrules.
Hannah (17:55):
They weren't there at night.
Courtney (17:56):
But the sun was setting more and they were
walking along.
And this woman looks up and shesees a path that has more
cemetery, more stones in it, andso they decided you know, hey,
it's getting a little bit dark,we're not going to go wander
there, but I'll come backtomorrow.
So the following day, the womanand her husband, they come back
to the cemetery in broaddaylight and they follow the
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exact same path that she hadtaken the night before with her
daughter, only to see that therewas just path and river, no
cemetery, no additional plots insight, nothing.
And she didn't really think aton about it until she had gone
home and was like, oh, that's sostrange.
What about this place?
You know, what is this place?
Kind of like how I did.
I went and I looked and she wasseeing all these people writing
about the Vanishing Cemeteryand she was like, wait a second,
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is that what I saw?
And something about it for me is, a lot of times with legends,
you're reading accounts thatdon't have names to them or they
were so far back that you can'tsee the article, and this one
wasn't like that, so it made methink it could be somebody out
for some attention.
Sorry if you're listening, um,maybe, but I thought it was
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really interesting because to meoptical illusion has always
kind of been fascinating, likemirage, almost, like somebody
thought you were comfortable, sothey showed you and what would
have happened if you had walkedinto the cemetery that doesn't
exist, like in my mind.
I'm thinking okay, the legendsays the cemetery is there, you
can only see it once.
What happens if you wander intoit?
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Does it disappear?
Do you get to go back out andthen it disappears?
Or you know, if you and I go Ihave so many questions every
time I do legends.
If you and I go and I see it,but you don't and you go back
with Rob, are you going to seeit the second time, right?
Or are you not going to see itbecause I saw it and I told you
about it, right?
Hannah (19:40):
Or do they only pick certain people?
Courtney (19:42):
Is it like a VIP club?
Right?
It's like one of thosespeakeasies is what I was
thinking.
then you're in the speakeasy.
Yeah, the fourth story and onethat I have my own personal
story for now, the MarmadukeEarl story.
Okay, it's alleged that if youvisit the grave of Marmaduke
Earl, who is one of the patronsof the cemetery, at midnight and
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rest your head on the grave, hewill speak back to you.
So you just rest your head withyour ear to it like you're
listening, and rest your head onthe grave.
He will speak back to you.
So you just rest your head,like with your ear to it, like
you're listening.
Some other variations statethat you first have to
ritualistically walk around it10 times and announce Marmaduke.
Speak to me.
Many people have tried this andit's unclear what anyone is
expecting to hear back.
And it is said that Marmadukedied at the age of 90.
So I'm hearing all of this andone of the accounts that I was
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reading off of had said you knowtheir version of the story and
the research that they had putin, and they said it was evident
to them that people were goingthere and people were trying
this because of the way therewas a ring around the grave like
dirt instead of grass.
Okay, and I had myself thinkingI was like that's interesting.
I do remember seeing a gravewith a ring, but but I'm, I'm, I
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don't know if I took a pictureof it because I didn't take a
photograph of every angle ofthis place.
And so I'm sitting there doingmy research and I scroll back
and I have the focal point ofseveral photos, without knowing
what I was doing is the centralpoint of several photos that I
took, without even realizingwhat I was doing.
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And there is a ring around justhis grave of dirt.
Do you mind if I no go ahead?
I was just trying to take likea aesthetic photo of all of the
graves, and why is that the onethat I went right to and took
the pictures of?
Hannah (21:28):
It's a bigger ring than I thought it'd be.
Courtney (21:30):
Yeah, but you can tell in the picture it's very clear
that the ring is around hisgravestone, not around anybody
else's.
And that brings me to kind ofwhat I was thinking like what
makes a legend right?
I've been doing a lot ofthinking about that, especially
doing research on several thingslike Camp Wendigo, like spider
gates, the covered bridge, thecovered Camp Wendigo like Spider
Gates, the Covered Bridge, theCovered Bridge yes, I've been
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doing a lot of thinking aboutwhat makes a legend and so part
of it's word of mouth.
Obviously, because a legend is astory that keeps being passed
on through generations, but alsoit's the belief in what happens
that carries it out, and thebelief is kind of like the magic
that keeps it going.
Yeah, so the people.
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For me, seeing that picture itwas a little like it made me
stop because I was thinking, wow, I really didn't know anything
about this and I was still drawnto that grave to take that
photo.
And I mean, I love being incemeteries, as everybody knows.
I love taking photos ofcemeteries, but I didn't take a
photo of every grave.
I was drawn to that spot, Ithought it was interesting how
the dirt and the grass and Itook all these pictures only to
find out that there is a legendabout it.
And it kind of warmed my hearta little bit to see that people
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are going there.
I'm hoping for the rightreasons.
I'm hoping they're abiding bythe cemetery rules, because
that's the least they could doyeah they're paying their
respects in the way of a legend.
They're they're going andthey're believing, and that's
what's keeping the legends aliveand that's kind of a beautiful
thing.
Yeah, I agree, it's not oftenin 2025 that people show
(22:57):
camaraderie in anything and thento believe in something that
seems so out of this world anddefend it.
Some of the people online it'sgreat to see defending things
and giving evidence.
It just kind of warmed my heartand I think I'm becoming a
local legends girl as well as acover girl, cover girl being how
I'm drawn to books, but I'mdefinitely drawn to the legends
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now too.
Thank you, win from springfield, for urging us to branch out
and try different things andintention too.
Hannah (23:23):
Like I think certain things will be shown to you.
Yeah, because of intention,right.
So like we were talking aboutthat, like mirage graveyard in a
sense, right, like if thosepeople are coming to there with
an intention like that's good,maybe that's what gets you into
the vip club, right?
Courtney (23:42):
and I would have loved to.
I wish that they had given herfull name or some way to contact
her, because I have a asneaking suspicion that she's
definitely an open-minded kindof person.
Not many people could say totheir husband like, hey, I'm
going to go back and look forthis cemetery nobody else saw,
and they'd be like, hey, I'mgoing to go with you.
Yep, you know, the world has afunny way of showing you things
that you're prepared for.
Yeah for sure.
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It wouldn't be a list withouttalking about the most popular
by far, which I actually thinkis the most far-fetched, but it
is part of how spider gatesbecame spider gates.
The most popular by far is thatthe gates are the eighth gate
to hell, with the other sevengates around the country.
Some other people claim thatthe cemetery has seven
additional entrances to hellthat you must pass through first
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, in a very specific order, andif you go through the final or
the eighth gate, it will openthe gate to hell.
I think that's the mostcommonly heard one.
I will say that story inparticular.
I did know before going because, again, like I said, I had gone
like 2018, 2019.
To me, that's the leastinteresting.
I think a lot of people getreally hyped up on that and I
kind of skimmed over all of thatin my research because I feel
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like anyone who's listening tothis episode because, like ooh,
spider gates, I know spidergates they already know about
all of that who's listening tothis episode?
Because, like ooh, spider Gates, I know Spider Gates they
already know about all of that.
Hannah (24:52):
I just think it's interesting knowing who the
Quakers were Like.
I'm not I don't know everythingabout Quakers, but I know some
right.
That doesn't sound like thatwould be the kind of place to
have the eighth portal to hell,or whatever, or would it be
ironic?
Courtney (25:05):
I mean, it definitely would be ironic probably
wherever gates to hell would beif they existed, right, if they
do exist, I don't know thatpeople would get to have a say
in where they go.
And it's hard because it's kindof like the opposite of the way
religion is for a lot of people.
When you're thinking about likeChristianity, those places of
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worship are put up by people.
They're put up by everydaypeople and that's decided, that
that's a holy place.
Hannah (25:34):
I don't know how Well, I think it goes back to intention
.
Courtney (25:37):
That's true.
Yeah, I guess we could arguethat.
Hannah (25:39):
I mean, we think about all these asylums that we just
love for the history, butthere's a lot of bad intention
in some of these asylums.
Those could be definitelyportals to hell right.
Courtney (25:50):
Everyone's hell is probably different too, when you
think about it Everyone's hellis probably different.
Maybe we all have our own eighthgate mind blown.
Mind blown, it wouldn't be acourtney episode if I didn't
have an other category that Iwanted to talk about.
I feel like I'm always kind oftrying to like lump everything
in, but there's some things thatjust come up that are
observations or thoughts that Ican't find an appropriate place
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to pinpoint with everything else.
So there is a really large flatspace.
So when you walk into thecemetery, you walk through where
the gates used to be okay, andthere's stones all around, kind
of around like the outside, likea u, in the middle, ish, kind
of to the left side.
So if you walk in straight tothe middle and go about like
seven to eight paces to the left, there's this very flat spot in
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the center of the cemetery thatpeople allege was an altar of
sorts, which, okay, okay, if youfollow me for a minute, if
you're thinking this is theeighth gate to hell, this is
spooky, this place is devilworship.
An altar makes sense.
However, if you're thinkingabout it as a cemetery, it makes
more sense to me that the flatspace was actually the spot
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where the former friend'smeeting house had been.
Oddly, though, almost no grasskind of grows in that area and
there are four really largepillars, one at each corner,
that mark off the area.
So to me it does seem likethere would be a building there,
like a very small kind ofshed-like building.
Hannah (27:11):
I will say that there is a church that Rob and I are
familiar with, so it's anEpiscopal church, and there is a
separate deed next door I arefamiliar with, so it's an
episcopal church and there is aseparate deed next door to it.
That is part of the church butseparate, because if the church
gets sold to something else,this still remains a grave site,
so it's a whole differententity in itself where cremated
(27:32):
remains go and there is an altarthere that is used for the
services.
So I don't know.
Courtney (27:41):
I might have to do some more looking into that.
Hannah (27:43):
It could have been an altar, but it also could have
been an altar that was used inone way for good and then turned
into something else.
Courtney (27:51):
Well, and that's kind of the same for a lot of things
in modern life A lot of thingsthat we use for good, people
also turn around and use for theopposite reason too.
I mean everything down to yourcell phone.
You could use your cell phonefor good.
You could call 911 and helpsomebody.
You could also use your cellphone for bad and do something
terrible, absolutely Not goingto give anybody ideas, so don't
give any examples on that one.
Hannah (28:08):
But also, looking at religion, christianity took a
lot of what it is from paganism.
That's true.
Courtney (28:19):
Yeah, so who knows?
It's really a big gamble, and Ithink it's hard to when you
talk about different religionsand different cultures and
groups, because there's so manydifferent ideas.
Yeah, and not only are theredifferent groups who had
different ideas, but there'salso different groups in
different eras, and now you'retalking in different centuries
we're talking the 1700s tocurrent.
It definitely is something thatis kind of left up in the air
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it could have been an altar.
It could be a place wheresomething once was housed, could
be something where some in thefuture could be housed, yeah,
but it definitely struck out tome and you know, both times I've
gone there there hasn't beenanything on that spot and I've
been kind of drawn to it where Ialways think in my head.
It's one of those spots where,if you're familiar with
photography, you see somethingyou're like, oh, that's wicked
cool, but how am I going tophotograph this?
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Because what I'm seeing inperson with my naked eye is so I
don't want to say beautiful,but beautiful in its own unique
way, that I'm never going tocapture this in a way that
doesn't just look like, well,what is that?
Hannah (29:12):
and I am.
I.
I love photography.
I'm not good by any means.
I mean it's definitelysomething I need to work on.
Everybody's good at photographyit just depends on what you're
trying to get the picture of butI've, you know not to be cliche
, but I've seen a sunrise or asunset right and I've tried
taking pictures and I'm likethis isn't doing it justice,
never mind and then.
I just put it down, my cameradown.
(29:33):
I'm like I'm just gonna enjoyit for what it is, because
sometimes you can't capture it.
It's like it's this momentthing that you need to be a part
of.
Courtney (29:39):
You just described why I can't edit a single photo
beyond.
Hannah (29:42):
ADHD and motivation issues.
Courtney (29:44):
Because I'll go in and I think I nailed it, got the
shot, and then I go in to lookat it and I'm like what the fuck
is that?
That's not what we took apicture of.
Or, my worst thing, I don't doa tripod, I hate the tripod.
A tripod, I hate the tripod, Ifind it to be a nuisance and
I'll take a picture and it'll bejust slightly cockeyed to one
side.
One more notable, fascinatingthing when walking around I
observed many graves and spotsthat had coins resting on or
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near the graves.
Okay, several sources onlinehypothesize that the coins are
left to pay the ferryman that'swhy they put them on the eyelids
.
I think that that makes sense,that one seems perfectly logical
I also know about the eyelids,right, yes, okay they also had
some, some of the gravestones.
Obviously the people must havebeen veterans.
I saw quite a few like minifolded flags sitting down.
(30:28):
I saw some very I don't know ifthey were put there as a
photography prop or if they wereput there and just flowers that
had been forgotten about thatlooked a little bit decaying.
I had also seen there was thislittle like.
I can post a picture of thisbecause you wouldn't even be
able to tell where it was from.
It's like this little black.
To me it looks like a moon,like a little black moon gem
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just sitting on the ground.
I didn't take it I have a thingabout taking things when I don't
know but there was definitely alot of care in the place and
you could tell that whether it'sthe people who are maintaining
it that are going in and they'releaving gems and things, or if
it were people who are goingthere to visit loved ones, I
mean I find it kind of hard tobelieve it would be that one,
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just because, based off of theages of people who are there, I
would think that the loved oneswould be probably pretty elderly
.
Hannah (31:14):
It could just be respect , like when I visited lizbeth's
grave.
It's true, you know, there wereflowers and items left for her,
because people just love herand her story and who she became
and she's a legend in herself.
So that could be it.
But I also want to go back tothe coins.
I guess it would make sense ifit was to pay the ferryman,
because you talked about thatsticks river, yeah, you know.
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So that would make a lot ofsense.
Courtney (31:37):
I'm trying to think about how many bodies of water,
but there's definitely at leastone like river that comes
through is it a pretty wideriver or is it not like a stream
, obviously yeah, it's a littlebit wider than that and it's
hard to because the I think itwas the water district that's
all up and down the sides andthey do have signs that are like
no trespassing, no trespassingyou hear the water from the
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graveyard I'm trying to, I haveto like picture myself while I'm
there.
I know when you were walking upthe path you could hear water
running and I remember seeing iton the sides.
Interesting, and there therewas some evidence that kind of
made me think that perhapspeople were camping up there,
but again, very hard to tellwith a place like that.
Was it somebody who's homeless?
You're thinking how close theyare to worcester.
Was it somebody who was maybeviolating some of the friends
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rules which, if you're listeningto this and you're thinking
about going, it's definitely aplace that you can visit.
But you know, at WickedWanderers we want to urge you to
follow the rules and not testthose boundaries just because if
somebody went through all thecare to maintain a place and put
the rules up, you should bemindful of that absolutely, and
I think there's so many otherplaces that are okay with
(32:39):
filming and being respectful andghostboxing and stuff like that
.
Hannah (32:44):
Like there are places that do allow that, so like, why
try to desecrate it Right?
Just so you could be the personyou know.
It's just it's not okay.
Courtney (32:51):
And ultimately, you can't do anything with that
stuff.
Anyways, I do think that if youwere to email them, depending
on what it was for, they wouldprobably allow you to use it.
I think it just comes down towanting to have some kind of
control over it.
For a while, I remember itbeing a very, very, very hot
spot for people to go to.
Hannah (33:07):
I mean, I'm sure there's like a fee and you have to pay
for someone to be there with youor something Like I'm sure it's
not like a free for all.
Courtney (33:12):
Probably, and I'm sure that they want to maintain what
content goes out, because ifyou even like, let's say, you
are very successful and you goout and you put this place on
blast and you show everybody yougoing out and doing things
inappropriately yeah now you'resetting this example.
People look up to you when youhave that kind of following and
they're gonna be like, well, soand so did it.
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So now I'm gonna do it too.
And obviously, hannah and I, wecondone ghost hunting where
it's allowed.
We condone photographing thingswhere it's allowed.
It is certainly not a placethat I would want to.
I don't get a bad vibe.
I just don't think you wouldcatch me there at night
willingly.
I think like if you were like,hey, we're going to go, do that,
I'd be like I'm good.
There's just so many stories forone place that makes me wonder
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if some of it somewhere isn'ttrue place.
That makes me wonder if some ofit somewhere isn't true.
Right, but it is a veryfascinating place.
You can definitely find a lotabout it online.
As always, you know, do yourresearch, see if you believe
what they say.
If you're local to the area andyou need help finding where to
park, you can let me know.
I don't want to put all thatinformation out there, just out
of privacy for them yeah but Ihad a really good time.
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I was sad that the gates weren'tthere.
That was definitely a big kindof downer for me.
But you know, I mean the magicwas still there.
I still had a good timewandering around and making my
new friend Marmaduke that now Iknow their name.
I mean, I knew their namebecause it was on the stone, but
I didn't know that they were soprominent as they were.
So I had a good timeresearching this one.
Hannah (34:39):
Courtney, that was a good one, thank you.
Courtney (34:41):
Thank you, I'm sorry, I went without you.
Hannah (34:44):
We'll talk about that off the mic.
Courtney (34:48):
And if anybody has any local legends or things that
they want us to explore next, Iam open and ready to take some
kind of direction from you guys.
Hannah (34:58):
And if anyone wants to see me on the golden bear, open
and ready to take some kind ofdirection from you guys, I don't
have anything else.
Courtney (35:02):
Anyone wants to see?
Hannah (35:02):
me on the golden bear.
Courtney (35:03):
Uh yeah, if you want to see Hannah riding the golden
bear, we need at least twopeople to write in Lynn from
Springfield, I'm counting on you, mark, I'm counting on you.
I really want to post thispicture of Hannah on the golden
bear to our story, I think it'llbe great content.
Hannah (35:16):
I think it will be too.
Courtney (35:17):
Maybe it'll get us the wrong kind of following, but
I'm okay with it Until next time.
Wanderers, Bye, guys.
Hannah (35:25):
Thanks for listening today.
Wicked Wanderings is hosted byme Hannah and co-hosted by me
Courtney, and it's produced byRob Fitzpatrick.
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We appreciate every one of you.
Stay curious, keep exploringand always remember to keep on
wandering.
My computer just alerted me like popped up, and
it said heat watch just issued.
It's been hot since like May1st.
But also, I'm sitting here andI need everyone to understand
what we're working with here.
I'm sitting here in leggings,covered in skeleton keys, with a
black hoodie on, and Hannah ishere in her Halloween themed Moo
Moo dress.
(00:20):
Okay your flashlight and getready to wander into the
(00:41):
darkness with us.
Hannah (00:58):
This is Wicked Wanderings.
Hello Hannah, hello Courtney,hello hannah hello cottony.
Courtney (01:06):
So today I have a very special episode.
Okay, so lots of you know thatI've been trying to kind of
branch away from murder, whichis challenging for someone who
reads a lot about that kind ofthing, but I've been trying to
go into legends and lore aboutthings that are in New England
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area.
Obviously, bonus points if it'sfrom Massachusetts, we're from
Massachusetts.
But I was having a really slowSunday a couple weeks ago and I
found myself in a little placecalled Leicester, massachusetts.
Hannah (01:41):
Leicester when is Leicester?
Courtney (01:43):
Leicester is.
If you are following Route 9from the Belcher Town, palmer
area, yep, and you're going upinto the Brookfields, okay, and
then you're going to end up inLeicester before you go to
Worcester.
Hannah (01:55):
So it's on the way to Worcester.
Courtney (01:57):
That's an area that I'm very familiar with.
I went to undergrad atWorcester State University, so I
actually never realized howclose this place I was at and
Worcester State University.
So I actually never realizedhow close this place I was at
and Worcester State Universitywere.
What was your mascot.
Hannah (02:08):
You don't know your mascot of your alma mater.
Courtney (02:10):
I only went there for two years.
My other two years were at theUniversity of New England in
Maine.
Hannah (02:14):
What's the mascot for your master's?
I don't know.
I don't think either.
Courtney (02:18):
We have the same master's, I know.
Does Bay Path have a Today'sthe session of Googling?
Does?
Hannah (02:24):
Bay Path.
Have a.
All I'm thinking about isblueberries, but I know it's
because of your drink.
Courtney (02:28):
Rory the Wildcat.
Oh, and that is spelled likeR-O-A-R-Y.
Yeah, anyways Well.
Hannah (02:37):
I know my alma mater from my undergrad, so which was
what Golden Bears?
I rode the Golden Bear, just soyou know Well, I.
Courtney (02:42):
Golden bears.
I rode the golden bear.
I'll just say it.
I don't want to know anythingelse about that.
I have pictures for proof.
I think we will post those toour social media.
Hannah (02:49):
You want to see an 18-year-old, hannah, everybody.
Courtney (02:50):
I think if we can get two people to write into us, I
will make sure that photo seesthe light of day.
It's worth it everybody.
Hannah (02:57):
On our Instagram 2008 style Woo.
Courtney (03:01):
But the place in Leicester, massachusetts, is
none other than Spider GatesCemetery.
Hannah (03:09):
I've wanted to go there so bad.
Courtney (03:10):
I was thinking about the Wanderers, because I believe
it was one of Hannah's episodes, probably quite a few months
ago, where we were talking aboutwe were doing trivia from one
of the books and Spider Gatescame up, and so it's been on my
kind of list of things I wantedto talk about and there was
definitely some information thatI kind of already you know,
quote unquote knew, becausewe're talking about a local
legend type of thing.
But there's definitely a lotthat I didn't know as well.
(03:32):
So prior to 2025, when we'rerecording this episode I had
gone to Spider Gate Cemeteryprobably six years ago, six or
seven, so I had been, but it hadbeen kind of a while.
So Spider Gate Cemetery is inLeicester, massachusetts.
It is commonly known and itsactual formal name is Friends
(03:52):
Cemetery.
Friends, yes, so it is FriendsCemetery.
It's just known better in ourtype of community as Spider Gate
Cemetery.
Okay, it is a privately ownedcemetery that is maintained by
the Worcester Friends Meeting,which is a Quaker group sounds
quaker which is how friendscemetery became its name so
quakers are buried there.
Hannah (04:12):
Yes, interesting.
Courtney (04:14):
It's a very interesting place.
The graves on site date back asfar as the 1740s for the
earliest burial, and really it'smade up of a bunch of local
families, mostly the Earl familyand then the Southwick family,
which must have been veryprominent in the Quaker
community back in that time.
Some of the most noteworthypeople there's three people that
I'm going to talk about, butthe first most noteworthy person
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to be buried in the cemetery isStephen Earl Earl, and Stephen
was a famous architect whodesigned several local buildings
to that area.
So the lester public librarywas one of his designs, bancroft
tower was one of his designsand the boynton hall on the
worcester polytech university orwpi campus in worcester were
his designs okay, so he'sprobably like the most famous
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person who's buried there.
And then there's two othernoteworthy occupants of the
cemetery Pliny Earl, who createdthe first working carding
machine in America, as well ashis son, dr Pliny Earl Jr, who
financed the cemetery'srestoration at the close of the
19th century.
So obviously he's big becausehe put money directly back into
the cemetery.
That's obviously been aroundfor quite some time.
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What I found the mostinteresting from wandering
around and looking at every oneof the graves is it is very well
maintained and the most recentburial on the grounds was in
2021.
Well shit, yeah, I was reallyhoping to find some more
information about that, like,maybe there's a way that
somebody could be eithergrandfathered in because of
connections that they had yeahor maybe the plot was purchased
(05:41):
for them or agreed upon for themand that's why they're there,
but it doesn't seem like anybodyelse close to that time.
There were some like early 2000s, but they were few and far
between.
There's not that many graveswithin the cemetery.
It's very small.
Hannah (05:54):
I thought you weren't allowed to walk through it.
I thought that was somethingyou had told me before you can
walk through it, you care?
Courtney (06:00):
Yes, you can.
It's very.
It's not traditional like aregular cemetery that we think
about.
I don't want to say regular,because it probably was very
regular at the time, but it'snot like one that you can drive
into and you definitely can't.
There's no like paths within it.
It's like one big grassy.
Was there anybody there whenyou were there?
No, it was just me.
When you are going to theSpider Gate Cemetery from the
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street, it's completely unmarked.
So you arrive on the street andyou have to walk down a short
wooded path.
The cemetery entrance sits onthe right side of the path,
probably about like a third of amile in.
It's really not that far of awalk.
The entrance is marked withstone walls that once held the
gates and a sign announcing thegrounds as the Friends Cemetery,
along with a few policies thatI thought the wanderers might
(06:42):
find interesting.
I actually took a picture ofthe sign which I'm going to
describe here, and you'llunderstand why I'm not posting
it after I read you the policies, not rules.
The first one is no trespassingin the cemetery after dark,
which seems pretty reasonable, Ithink most places.
Plus, if you think about it,this road it's over by, like
where the airport in Worcesteris like right on that line of.
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Worcester and Leicester, so it'svery dark.
There's not any overhead lights, even on the road that you
would be on, so it would be likein complete darkness.
The second rule is photographsmay be taken for personal use
only.
Video, sound and other types ofrecording are prohibited.
All recordings require priorwritten permission before use on
the internet or publication ofany kind.
I would love who you would haveto talk to to get permission
(07:31):
for that.
There's an email, really.
There is an email directlylisted on their sign as well,
which I did think that for thepurpose of our podcast, I might
reach out, but I also didn'twant to cause too much of like
uh no, we don't want you to usethat yeah the third rule and
this is the one that I think isgoing to make you the most
intrigued investigations of theparanormal are prohibited,
specifically listed in the rules, interesting.
And then the fourth rulebicycles and motorized vehicles
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are prohibited.
I feel like that's a no-brainerone though I don't even know
how you would get one in there.
Then there's a policy at theend that says and here I am
quoting and here I am quotingthe cemetery is surrounded by
the city of worcester reservoirproperty which is posted with no
trespassing signs.
The area is regularly patrolledand monitored.
Violations of posted area mayresult in arrest.
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Okay, well, we don't want that,and so all of this sounds very
like unwelcoming.
But what I really love thatthey put at the top of their
sign.
It says we hope you will treatthe cemetery as you would the
one where your friends andrelatives are buried and I feel
like that says a lot, becausethey are kind of telling you hey
, these are all the things thatwe don't allow, these are all
things that are prohibited.
(08:32):
But at the same time it feltwelcoming to like, not like hey,
you can't come in here, right?
right it's just treat it withrespect, which I don't think is
too much to ask realistically.
So by this point you'reprobably thinking why is this
place called spider gateCemetery?
Courtney, this sounds like avery reasonable cemetery.
It's small right, and it'sQuaker, no-transcript.
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So Spider Gate Cemetery is thehome to many, many legends and
tales among Massachusetts localsand other enthusiasts of the
paranormal.
It earned its name as SpiderGates because the gates at the
cemetery's entrance were oncegrand, dark and looked like
spider webs.
The art inspiration behind theiron gates that were installed
in 1895 were actually aportrayal of sun rays, which
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personally, after reading aboutthe sun rays, I can see the
vision behind what they weredoing.
But on a personal note, I stillsee the spiderwebs, which could
just be my inner love of morbidthings in my morbid mind.
But I think that to me,sunshine is bright, sunshine is
delicate, and yellows andoranges, and to me, if you're
going to talk about a black irongate, it just doesn't.
Hannah (09:55):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't scream sunshine.
No, it doesn't.
Courtney (09:57):
And I think that also, it's just so many years of
portraying in this dark, moodylight.
As a photographer, I'm like no,they're spider webs.
Yeah, at some point theoriginal gates were said to have
been taken out withoutpermission and that the gates
needed to be replaced.
So there is some question and,depending on where you look in
the research, that the originalgates from 1895 are not there
and that they were swapped outfor another set of gates and we
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don't know where those gates areno, it looks like, from things
I could find, that those gateswere taken without permission
that's really sad it gets evenmore sad.
Oh jeez, sadly, as of 2022, thelegendary and spooky gates are
no longer on the premises that'sjust sad.
Hannah (10:35):
Like did they finally?
Like you know what?
There's no point.
Courtney (10:37):
It was very sad and I didn't do my reading beforehand
because I like to.
I like to go to the placesbefore I've done any kind of
research and just kind of feelit out and you know, take my
pictures do my thing.
So when I went the first time Ihad gone in like 2019 I had seen
the gates.
I have pictures of the gateswhich I will post because I will
, and they're beautiful.
And so I'm like, oh my god, I'mso excited to see them again.
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I'm gonna take pictures, I'mgonna show them to the wanders,
I'm gonna show them to Hannah.
And then I got there and I waslike there's no gates and so,
logically in my mind, I'm likewho stole the gates?
Hannah (11:07):
so I started looking into it I just want to say I
appreciate that you want to seea place before reading it,
especially a place like spiregate, because you want to get
the feel for it, because I thinkwe've seen stories before of
people that are like I had noidea about all the stories
behind this and I can tell youall the creepy things that I
felt and it matches up or itdoesn't match up with what
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people say.
Courtney (11:29):
Oh, absolutely, and one of the things that I think I
mean.
So I did my research and I cameup with things after doing my
visit and I didn't look back atthe pictures I took, which is
anyone who knows me is probablychuckling to themselves right
now because I am awful atediting photos.
Like I will take photos andyears later someone will be like
, hey, do you have those editedphotos?
Hannah (11:47):
and I'm like no, I don't like I have, I will say wanders
for her birthday this year.
Yeah, the best friend here gother a cute little printer of her
pictures.
Has she used it yet?
No, no, I'll use it tomorrowlies because I wanted her to
print her beautiful pictures.
Courtney (12:07):
I'm horrible at it.
I'm horrible at it and I thinkit stems from like a place of
feeling like things areunfinished, so I haven't edited
my photos by the point that Iwas doing the research.
And then, as I was doing theresearch, I was like, oh, you
know what, let me go back andlike look through and see what I
have that the wanderers mightwant to see on social media, and
I will tell you when I get tothe point.
But there was a point where I'mso glad that I had taken the
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pictures before doing a deepdive, because there is a picture
that I took that I'm shocked Iwas drawn to without
understanding any of the legendslove that we'll get there
everybody stay, you know littleteasers.
Stay on your toes.
There have been many rumorssurrounding the reasoning for
why they're not there.
Some were stating that thegates had been stolen or that
they simply vanished.
Hannah (12:49):
Simply vanished, yeah, I mean you know, Gates, I guess,
do that.
Courtney (12:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't understand that one.
It seemed far-fetched to me,but intriguing.
The gates were removed in 2022due to vandalism and graffiti
that were sustained in the year.
So unfortunately, you know,maybe not the most exciting, but
I'm glad that they werepreserved.
My inner historicpreservationist was very excited
.
The Leicester HistoricalSociety has them safely kept
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while they determine how to makethem accessible and viewable to
the general public and stillmaintaining their safety.
So that was a really big piece.
They wanted to make sure thatthey could keep them safe and
there is some talk on differentlocal newspaper sites.
I saw where they're trying notmonuments, but they're trying to
do some type of historicpreservation with other
buildings.
They're thinking aboutincorporating them there.
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So it would be a really nicetribute for people to be able to
see them and have them still beprotected, because they won't
go back to the cemetery butright exactly, which is a little
sad, and I'm sure that probablythe friends meeting house
doesn't feel great about that,but they were in danger there.
There's really no way to closelymonitor them as much as they
wanted to people suck they do,and it's unfortunate too,
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because when I had seen them in,you know, like 2019 or 2018,
there was no damage to them.
I mean wear and tear from beingoutside and being an iron gate,
but nothing.
That was unexpected yeah, yeah,I can't imagine why graffiti
would be something that youwould see, and I was a little
surprised to read that, becausewhen I was there walking around,
I always kind of take aninventory of is there any
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graffiti, is there any trash?
Like?
I'm one of those people whobring a bag with me and like
pick up the trash and take it,but other than things that were
supposed to be there, I didn'tsee any trash, and so maybe
somebody is really keeping up onit.
I'm not sure, but it was niceto see that it wasn't destroyed,
because a lot of places likethat tend to get left behind to
the wayside, abandoned andforgotten.
One of the things that I'mdrawn to the most about Spider
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Gates is that, unlike mostspooky haunted places that have
one legend behind them, spiderGates has several different
legends and stories which Ialways find intriguing, because
the more you read, the more youfind out.
It's kind of like a really bigrabbit hole, which I think is
something I say all the time onthis podcast.
I have a rabbit hole sixthsense, like I'm always finding
the rabbit hole.
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The first one that I'm going totalk about is the hanging tree.
Okay, there's a really largeoak tree on the property that is
said to be haunted by the ghostof someone who took their own
life by hanging in the tree.
Some people have claimed that astrange white oozy substance has
also been seeping from theground and runes have been
discovered in rocks just outsideof the cemetery walls, which is
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just outside of where the treeis, and the tree is definitely
very ominous.
There are some people who weresaying things like there was a
rope that was hanging from thetrees.
I haven't been able to validateany of those things.
Another one of those caseswhere some sources will say it's
there and then people will goand do their blogging of it and
say, ok, there wasn't anything.
I wouldn't really expect thereto be anything.
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I think it's a little juvenilemaybe to think that the rope
would still be there if that wasthe case, but there's
definitely at least two trees onthe property that come to my
mind that could have definitelyfit that bill that definitely
are very ominous and dark.
The second story surrounds thecave.
This one is probably the mostfar-fetched for me.
There's a cave well, there'ssaid to be a cave where a young
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woman was murdered years ago.
In all of my research, no onehas ever been able to locate or
validate that a cave exists okay, let alone that there was a
woman murdered in the cave.
Nearby there is a river that issaid to be the Styx River,
which allegedly leads to theUnderworld, which is the only
thing I was able to kind of findand lump with that.
Hannah (16:22):
The Styx River.
Dude, yeah, I love Greekmythology, so that's.
Courtney (16:27):
There's a lot of that and the more I'm getting into
doing and I love that one of ourwanders had kind of urged us to
go outside of the path of justserial killers and true crime
because I'm learning that Ireally enjoy legends and I enjoy
the symbolism of differentparts of it.
Whether it's true or not, thestorytelling part of it is is
entertaining.
Yeah, I think number three isone of my favorites.
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Okay, the Vanishing Cemetery.
Ooh, and this one, I think, isit sounds so far-fetched, but
also to me it almost seems likeit could be the most reasonable.
So, you're going to have to bearwith me, okay.
So some people have claimedthat a second cemetery appears
across the street and can onlybe seen by an individual one
time.
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So if you see it one time time,it will never be there again.
If you listen closely, you canhear a demonic creature roaming
amok in the woods.
I added amok.
I had to throw hocus pocus inhere.
It's unclear why the secondcemetery can only be seen once.
Like I've looked into whypeople hypothesize that I could
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never get anyone to relateanything back to.
I was thinking you know thedimensions of hell or something,
because everything else relates.
But there was a very interestingstory and account from the
Worcester Telegram, which istheir local paper in Worcester
and according to the WorcesterTelegram one woman had gone to
the cemetery with her daughterand it was kind of around dusk,
I would say the sun was up, butit was coming down.
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It wasn't.
They weren't violating anyrules.
Hannah (17:55):
They weren't there at night.
Courtney (17:56):
But the sun was setting more and they were
walking along.
And this woman looks up and shesees a path that has more
cemetery, more stones in it, andso they decided you know, hey,
it's getting a little bit dark,we're not going to go wander
there, but I'll come backtomorrow.
So the following day, the womanand her husband, they come back
to the cemetery in broaddaylight and they follow the
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exact same path that she hadtaken the night before with her
daughter, only to see that therewas just path and river, no
cemetery, no additional plots insight, nothing.
And she didn't really think aton about it until she had gone
home and was like, oh, that's sostrange.
What about this place?
You know, what is this place?
Kind of like how I did.
I went and I looked and she wasseeing all these people writing
about the Vanishing Cemeteryand she was like, wait a second,
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is that what I saw?
And something about it for me is, a lot of times with legends,
you're reading accounts thatdon't have names to them or they
were so far back that you can'tsee the article, and this one
wasn't like that, so it made methink it could be somebody out
for some attention.
Sorry if you're listening, um,maybe, but I thought it was
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really interesting because to meoptical illusion has always
kind of been fascinating, likemirage, almost, like somebody
thought you were comfortable, sothey showed you and what would
have happened if you had walkedinto the cemetery that doesn't
exist, like in my mind.
I'm thinking okay, the legendsays the cemetery is there, you
can only see it once.
What happens if you wander intoit?
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Does it disappear?
Do you get to go back out andthen it disappears?
Or you know, if you and I go Ihave so many questions every
time I do legends.
If you and I go and I see it,but you don't and you go back
with Rob, are you going to seeit the second time, right?
Or are you not going to see itbecause I saw it and I told you
about it, right?
Hannah (19:40):
Or do they only pick certain people?
Courtney (19:42):
Is it like a VIP club?
Right?
It's like one of thosespeakeasies is what I was
thinking.
then you're in the speakeasy.
Yeah, the fourth story and onethat I have my own personal
story for now, the MarmadukeEarl story.
Okay, it's alleged that if youvisit the grave of Marmaduke
Earl, who is one of the patronsof the cemetery, at midnight and
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rest your head on the grave, hewill speak back to you.
So you just rest your head withyour ear to it like you're
listening, and rest your head onthe grave.
He will speak back to you.
So you just rest your head,like with your ear to it, like
you're listening.
Some other variations statethat you first have to
ritualistically walk around it10 times and announce Marmaduke.
Speak to me.
Many people have tried this andit's unclear what anyone is
expecting to hear back.
And it is said that Marmadukedied at the age of 90.
So I'm hearing all of this andone of the accounts that I was
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reading off of had said you knowtheir version of the story and
the research that they had putin, and they said it was evident
to them that people were goingthere and people were trying
this because of the way therewas a ring around the grave like
dirt instead of grass.
Okay, and I had myself thinkingI was like that's interesting.
I do remember seeing a gravewith a ring, but but I'm, I'm, I
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don't know if I took a pictureof it because I didn't take a
photograph of every angle ofthis place.
And so I'm sitting there doingmy research and I scroll back
and I have the focal point ofseveral photos, without knowing
what I was doing is the centralpoint of several photos that I
took, without even realizingwhat I was doing.
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And there is a ring around justhis grave of dirt.
Do you mind if I no go ahead?
I was just trying to take likea aesthetic photo of all of the
graves, and why is that the onethat I went right to and took
the pictures of?
Hannah (21:28):
It's a bigger ring than I thought it'd be.
Courtney (21:30):
Yeah, but you can tell in the picture it's very clear
that the ring is around hisgravestone, not around anybody
else's.
And that brings me to kind ofwhat I was thinking like what
makes a legend right?
I've been doing a lot ofthinking about that, especially
doing research on several thingslike Camp Wendigo, like spider
gates, the covered bridge, thecovered Camp Wendigo like Spider
Gates, the Covered Bridge, theCovered Bridge yes, I've been
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doing a lot of thinking aboutwhat makes a legend and so part
of it's word of mouth.
Obviously, because a legend is astory that keeps being passed
on through generations, but alsoit's the belief in what happens
that carries it out, and thebelief is kind of like the magic
that keeps it going.
Yeah, so the people.
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For me, seeing that picture itwas a little like it made me
stop because I was thinking, wow, I really didn't know anything
about this and I was still drawnto that grave to take that
photo.
And I mean, I love being incemeteries, as everybody knows.
I love taking photos ofcemeteries, but I didn't take a
photo of every grave.
I was drawn to that spot, Ithought it was interesting how
the dirt and the grass and Itook all these pictures only to
find out that there is a legendabout it.
And it kind of warmed my hearta little bit to see that people
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are going there.
I'm hoping for the rightreasons.
I'm hoping they're abiding bythe cemetery rules, because
that's the least they could doyeah they're paying their
respects in the way of a legend.
They're they're going andthey're believing, and that's
what's keeping the legends aliveand that's kind of a beautiful
thing.
Yeah, I agree, it's not oftenin 2025 that people show
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camaraderie in anything and thento believe in something that
seems so out of this world anddefend it.
Some of the people online it'sgreat to see defending things
and giving evidence.
It just kind of warmed my heartand I think I'm becoming a
local legends girl as well as acover girl, cover girl being how
I'm drawn to books, but I'mdefinitely drawn to the legends
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now too.
Thank you, win from springfield, for urging us to branch out
and try different things andintention too.
Hannah (23:23):
Like I think certain things will be shown to you.
Yeah, because of intention,right.
So like we were talking aboutthat, like mirage graveyard in a
sense, right, like if thosepeople are coming to there with
an intention like that's good,maybe that's what gets you into
the vip club, right?
Courtney (23:42):
and I would have loved to.
I wish that they had given herfull name or some way to contact
her, because I have a asneaking suspicion that she's
definitely an open-minded kindof person.
Not many people could say totheir husband like, hey, I'm
going to go back and look forthis cemetery nobody else saw,
and they'd be like, hey, I'mgoing to go with you.
Yep, you know, the world has afunny way of showing you things
that you're prepared for.
Yeah for sure.
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It wouldn't be a list withouttalking about the most popular
by far, which I actually thinkis the most far-fetched, but it
is part of how spider gatesbecame spider gates.
The most popular by far is thatthe gates are the eighth gate
to hell, with the other sevengates around the country.
Some other people claim thatthe cemetery has seven
additional entrances to hellthat you must pass through first
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, in a very specific order, andif you go through the final or
the eighth gate, it will openthe gate to hell.
I think that's the mostcommonly heard one.
I will say that story inparticular.
I did know before going because, again, like I said, I had gone
like 2018, 2019.
To me, that's the leastinteresting.
I think a lot of people getreally hyped up on that and I
kind of skimmed over all of thatin my research because I feel
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like anyone who's listening tothis episode because, like ooh,
spider gates, I know spidergates they already know about
all of that who's listening tothis episode?
Because, like ooh, spider Gates, I know Spider Gates they
already know about all of that.
Hannah (24:52):
I just think it's interesting knowing who the
Quakers were Like.
I'm not I don't know everythingabout Quakers, but I know some
right.
That doesn't sound like thatwould be the kind of place to
have the eighth portal to hell,or whatever, or would it be
ironic?
Courtney (25:05):
I mean, it definitely would be ironic probably
wherever gates to hell would beif they existed, right, if they
do exist, I don't know thatpeople would get to have a say
in where they go.
And it's hard because it's kindof like the opposite of the way
religion is for a lot of people.
When you're thinking about likeChristianity, those places of
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worship are put up by people.
They're put up by everydaypeople and that's decided, that
that's a holy place.
Hannah (25:34):
I don't know how Well, I think it goes back to intention
.
Courtney (25:37):
That's true.
Yeah, I guess we could arguethat.
Hannah (25:39):
I mean, we think about all these asylums that we just
love for the history, butthere's a lot of bad intention
in some of these asylums.
Those could be definitelyportals to hell right.
Courtney (25:50):
Everyone's hell is probably different too, when you
think about it Everyone's hellis probably different.
Maybe we all have our own eighthgate mind blown.
Mind blown, it wouldn't be acourtney episode if I didn't
have an other category that Iwanted to talk about.
I feel like I'm always kind oftrying to like lump everything
in, but there's some things thatjust come up that are
observations or thoughts that Ican't find an appropriate place
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to pinpoint with everything else.
So there is a really large flatspace.
So when you walk into thecemetery, you walk through where
the gates used to be okay, andthere's stones all around, kind
of around like the outside, likea u, in the middle, ish, kind
of to the left side.
So if you walk in straight tothe middle and go about like
seven to eight paces to the left, there's this very flat spot in
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the center of the cemetery thatpeople allege was an altar of
sorts, which, okay, okay, if youfollow me for a minute, if
you're thinking this is theeighth gate to hell, this is
spooky, this place is devilworship.
An altar makes sense.
However, if you're thinkingabout it as a cemetery, it makes
more sense to me that the flatspace was actually the spot
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where the former friend'smeeting house had been.
Oddly, though, almost no grasskind of grows in that area and
there are four really largepillars, one at each corner,
that mark off the area.
So to me it does seem likethere would be a building there,
like a very small kind ofshed-like building.
Hannah (27:11):
I will say that there is a church that Rob and I are
familiar with, so it's anEpiscopal church, and there is a
separate deed next door I arefamiliar with, so it's an
episcopal church and there is aseparate deed next door to it.
That is part of the church butseparate, because if the church
gets sold to something else,this still remains a grave site,
so it's a whole differententity in itself where cremated
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remains go and there is an altarthere that is used for the
services.
So I don't know.
Courtney (27:41):
I might have to do some more looking into that.
Hannah (27:43):
It could have been an altar, but it also could have
been an altar that was used inone way for good and then turned
into something else.
Courtney (27:51):
Well, and that's kind of the same for a lot of things
in modern life A lot of thingsthat we use for good, people
also turn around and use for theopposite reason too.
I mean everything down to yourcell phone.
You could use your cell phonefor good.
You could call 911 and helpsomebody.
You could also use your cellphone for bad and do something
terrible, absolutely Not goingto give anybody ideas, so don't
give any examples on that one.
Hannah (28:08):
But also, looking at religion, christianity took a
lot of what it is from paganism.
That's true.
Courtney (28:19):
Yeah, so who knows?
It's really a big gamble, and Ithink it's hard to when you
talk about different religionsand different cultures and
groups, because there's so manydifferent ideas.
Yeah, and not only are theredifferent groups who had
different ideas, but there'salso different groups in
different eras, and now you'retalking in different centuries
we're talking the 1700s tocurrent.
It definitely is something thatis kind of left up in the air
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it could have been an altar.
It could be a place wheresomething once was housed, could
be something where some in thefuture could be housed, yeah,
but it definitely struck out tome and you know, both times I've
gone there there hasn't beenanything on that spot and I've
been kind of drawn to it where Ialways think in my head.
It's one of those spots where,if you're familiar with
photography, you see somethingyou're like, oh, that's wicked
cool, but how am I going tophotograph this?
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Because what I'm seeing inperson with my naked eye is so I
don't want to say beautiful,but beautiful in its own unique
way, that I'm never going tocapture this in a way that
doesn't just look like, well,what is that?
Hannah (29:12):
and I am.
I.
I love photography.
I'm not good by any means.
I mean it's definitelysomething I need to work on.
Everybody's good at photographyit just depends on what you're
trying to get the picture of butI've, you know not to be cliche
, but I've seen a sunrise or asunset right and I've tried
taking pictures and I'm likethis isn't doing it justice,
never mind and then.
I just put it down, my cameradown.
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I'm like I'm just gonna enjoyit for what it is, because
sometimes you can't capture it.
It's like it's this momentthing that you need to be a part
of.
Courtney (29:39):
You just described why I can't edit a single photo
beyond.
Hannah (29:42):
ADHD and motivation issues.
Courtney (29:44):
Because I'll go in and I think I nailed it, got the
shot, and then I go in to lookat it and I'm like what the fuck
is that?
That's not what we took apicture of.
Or, my worst thing, I don't doa tripod, I hate the tripod.
A tripod, I hate the tripod, Ifind it to be a nuisance and
I'll take a picture and it'll bejust slightly cockeyed to one
side.
One more notable, fascinatingthing when walking around I
observed many graves and spotsthat had coins resting on or
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near the graves.
Okay, several sources onlinehypothesize that the coins are
left to pay the ferryman that'swhy they put them on the eyelids
.
I think that that makes sense,that one seems perfectly logical
I also know about the eyelids,right, yes, okay they also had
some, some of the gravestones.
Obviously the people must havebeen veterans.
I saw quite a few like minifolded flags sitting down.
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I saw some very I don't know ifthey were put there as a
photography prop or if they wereput there and just flowers that
had been forgotten about thatlooked a little bit decaying.
I had also seen there was thislittle like.
I can post a picture of thisbecause you wouldn't even be
able to tell where it was from.
It's like this little black.
To me it looks like a moon,like a little black moon gem
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just sitting on the ground.
I didn't take it I have a thingabout taking things when I don't
know but there was definitely alot of care in the place and
you could tell that whether it'sthe people who are maintaining
it that are going in and they'releaving gems and things, or if
it were people who are goingthere to visit loved ones, I
mean I find it kind of hard tobelieve it would be that one,
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just because, based off of theages of people who are there, I
would think that the loved oneswould be probably pretty elderly
.
Hannah (31:14):
It could just be respect , like when I visited lizbeth's
grave.
It's true, you know, there wereflowers and items left for her,
because people just love herand her story and who she became
and she's a legend in herself.
So that could be it.
But I also want to go back tothe coins.
I guess it would make sense ifit was to pay the ferryman,
because you talked about thatsticks river, yeah, you know.
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So that would make a lot ofsense.
Courtney (31:37):
I'm trying to think about how many bodies of water,
but there's definitely at leastone like river that comes
through is it a pretty wideriver or is it not like a stream
, obviously yeah, it's a littlebit wider than that and it's
hard to because the I think itwas the water district that's
all up and down the sides andthey do have signs that are like
no trespassing, no trespassingyou hear the water from the
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graveyard I'm trying to, I haveto like picture myself while I'm
there.
I know when you were walking upthe path you could hear water
running and I remember seeing iton the sides.
Interesting, and there therewas some evidence that kind of
made me think that perhapspeople were camping up there,
but again, very hard to tellwith a place like that.
Was it somebody who's homeless?
You're thinking how close theyare to worcester.
Was it somebody who was maybeviolating some of the friends
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rules which, if you're listeningto this and you're thinking
about going, it's definitely aplace that you can visit.
But you know, at WickedWanderers we want to urge you to
follow the rules and not testthose boundaries just because if
somebody went through all thecare to maintain a place and put
the rules up, you should bemindful of that absolutely, and
I think there's so many otherplaces that are okay with
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filming and being respectful andghostboxing and stuff like that
.
Hannah (32:44):
Like there are places that do allow that, so like, why
try to desecrate it Right?
Just so you could be the personyou know.
It's just it's not okay.
Courtney (32:51):
And ultimately, you can't do anything with that
stuff.
Anyways, I do think that if youwere to email them, depending
on what it was for, they wouldprobably allow you to use it.
I think it just comes down towanting to have some kind of
control over it.
For a while, I remember itbeing a very, very, very hot
spot for people to go to.
Hannah (33:07):
I mean, I'm sure there's like a fee and you have to pay
for someone to be there with youor something Like I'm sure it's
not like a free for all.
Courtney (33:12):
Probably, and I'm sure that they want to maintain what
content goes out, because ifyou even like, let's say, you
are very successful and you goout and you put this place on
blast and you show everybody yougoing out and doing things
inappropriately yeah now you'resetting this example.
People look up to you when youhave that kind of following and
they're gonna be like, well, soand so did it.
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So now I'm gonna do it too.
And obviously, hannah and I, wecondone ghost hunting where
it's allowed.
We condone photographing thingswhere it's allowed.
It is certainly not a placethat I would want to.
I don't get a bad vibe.
I just don't think you wouldcatch me there at night
willingly.
I think like if you were like,hey, we're going to go, do that,
I'd be like I'm good.
There's just so many stories forone place that makes me wonder
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if some of it somewhere isn'ttrue place.
That makes me wonder if some ofit somewhere isn't true.
Right, but it is a veryfascinating place.
You can definitely find a lotabout it online.
As always, you know, do yourresearch, see if you believe
what they say.
If you're local to the area andyou need help finding where to
park, you can let me know.
I don't want to put all thatinformation out there, just out
of privacy for them yeah but Ihad a really good time.
(34:18):
I was sad that the gates weren'tthere.
That was definitely a big kindof downer for me.
But you know, I mean the magicwas still there.
I still had a good timewandering around and making my
new friend Marmaduke that now Iknow their name.
I mean, I knew their namebecause it was on the stone, but
I didn't know that they were soprominent as they were.
So I had a good timeresearching this one.
Hannah (34:39):
Courtney, that was a good one, thank you.
Courtney (34:41):
Thank you, I'm sorry, I went without you.
Hannah (34:44):
We'll talk about that off the mic.
Courtney (34:48):
And if anybody has any local legends or things that
they want us to explore next, Iam open and ready to take some
kind of direction from you guys.
Hannah (34:58):
And if anyone wants to see me on the golden bear, open
and ready to take some kind ofdirection from you guys, I don't
have anything else.
Courtney (35:02):
Anyone wants to see?
Hannah (35:02):
me on the golden bear.
Courtney (35:03):
Uh yeah, if you want to see Hannah riding the golden
bear, we need at least twopeople to write in Lynn from
Springfield, I'm counting on you, mark, I'm counting on you.
I really want to post thispicture of Hannah on the golden
bear to our story, I think it'llbe great content.
Hannah (35:16):
I think it will be too.
Courtney (35:17):
Maybe it'll get us the wrong kind of following, but
I'm okay with it Until next time.
Wanderers, Bye, guys.
Hannah (35:25):
Thanks for listening today.
Wicked Wanderings is hosted byme Hannah and co-hosted by me
Courtney, and it's produced byRob Fitzpatrick.
Music by Sasha N.
If you enjoyed today's episode,don't forget to leave a rating
and review and be sure to followon all socials.
You can find the links down inthe show notes.
If you're looking for somereally cozy t-shirts or hoodies,
head over to the merch store.
(35:46):
Thank you for being a part ofthe Wicked Wanderings community.
We appreciate every one of you.
Stay curious, keep exploringand always remember to keep on
wandering.
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