November 21, 2025 • 47 mins
What happens when we force our co-hosts to argue the exact opposite of what they believe about Shaun of the Dead? Sparks. We flip the table, press every hot button—humor that lands vs humor that dates, heart that sings vs tone that whiplashes—and let the best case win.
We start with the big question: is Edgar Wright’s kinetic style a stroke of comic engineering or noise that undercuts fear? From the record-throwing bit to the Queen-backed bar fight, we pull apart pacing, sound cues, and visual jokes to see whether the film earns its cult status through craft or coasts on nostalgia. Then we get into the heart of it: Shaun’s stagnation, his strained ties with Liz, the stepdad reckoning, and that gut-punch with his mum. Does the movie really blend grief with laughs, or does it swerve away right when emotion matters most?
Survival strategy takes center stage as we audit the Winchester plan like preppers. Limited exits, loud jukebox, paper-thin food options—smart fallback or chaos magnet? We weigh leadership under pressure, group dynamics, and the fine line between bravado and a bad call. Finally, a lightning round forces fast judgments on the best scene, Shaun’s dumbest move, whether Ed is loyal or dead weight, and if we’d personally make it out alive against shambly, slow-moving zombies.
If you love horror-comedy, Edgar Wright, zombie survival analysis, or just sharp debate with punchy humor, this one’s loaded with takeaways: how to judge tone balance, what makes a joke structure timeless, and why “good enough” plans crumble in a siege. Listen, then tell us where you land—masterpiece or lucky timing? Tap follow, leave a five-star rating, and share this episode with a friend who swears the Winchester was a good idea. Your vote might settle the debate—or start a new one.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:25):
Hello, survivors, and welcome to another episode
of Will You Survive the Podcast.
In this episode, we are going tobe blending some popular culture
with tactical thinking andsurvival.
SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
Popular is a bit of a stretch.
SPEAKER_02 (00:42):
Oh, it's popular as hell.
We are going to be talking aboutSean of the Dead.
We'll just call this episodeSean of the Debate.
Our co-host, you guys know them.
They're TJ and Eric.
It's me, TJ.
SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
And it's me, gay.
SPEAKER_02 (00:55):
Oh, dang.
I'm going to be Sean of the Mid.
Yeah, you are.
Wow.
Okay, well, you guys are goingto be arguing with you on
everything.
This is a debate over whether ornot Sean of the Dead is a
masterpiece.
For those of you who don't know,Eric does not believe this movie
to be a masterpiece.
(01:15):
TJ does.
SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
That is an absolute lie, Your Honor.
I would like them to be strickenfor the record.
No, it's he's committing to itnow.
SPEAKER_02 (01:24):
We reverse the roles on them, and we're going to make
them argue their oppositepoints.
So Eric's gonna have to prove tome that he believes this is a
masterpiece and why, and TJ'sgonna have to prove it's not,
also backing up his points.
Can Eric defend the brillianceof this movie that he doesn't
believe?
SPEAKER_00 (01:42):
Okay.
Um, I I wanna I'm I'm gonnapresent a pre-game defense.
For those of you who may nothave been around for a while,
you were just born.
Um Alex makes some intensequestions at times, and a lot of
times they make me feel like I'mback in college, and I work a
(02:04):
very demanding job, and I have apretty demanding side gig, and I
have a new puppy, so I'm verybusy and I'm tired, and I don't
have time for homework.
And uh I I've read thequestions, I've read the
questions.
SPEAKER_01 (02:17):
I've got a demanding job and two new cats.
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
But TJ uh is a lot more prepared for this episode
than I am.
I've got a demanding job, twokids.
SPEAKER_01 (02:25):
So so you're like adult plus, you can't really
talk, Alex.
We're yeah, that's not fair.
When we when we oh, so we needwe need somebody, somebody,
something's happening.
Get an adult.
See, we don't they don't comeback to us, they go to you.
SPEAKER_02 (02:38):
I am old, so I'm tired.
SPEAKER_00 (02:41):
No, you're experienced, but I'm tired.
No, no, um seasoned.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
The sent the centuries of the centuries of
seasoned a good band.
SPEAKER_02 (02:53):
Okay, continue.
Finish your excuses.
I mean reasons.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
All that to say um that if my defense of this movie
is very poor, although I don'tthink this movie is a
masterpiece, at this point it'sa little more out of ego, but I
will say I kind of viewed thismovie in a little bit of a
different light, this watch.
And there were some parts of itthat I might have overlooked
(03:18):
before that are when you look atit as different than the way I
was looking at the movie thefirst couple watches, it's
better.
And it's funny.
I've never thought it wasn'tfunny, I just thought it was a
lot, it was really corny, but Ikind of ignored a lot of the
nuances of the movie and I sawthem this time.
So I don't I've never hated thismovie.
SPEAKER_02 (03:40):
I know, but with that, we're going to ask the
question.
I'm gonna ask again Can Ericdefend the brilliance of a film
he doubts?
Can TJ dismantle a movie heloves?
We're gonna finish this off byasking the question Do either of
you think that you would survivezombie apocalypse if you were
either led by Sean himself or ifyou were Sean?
(04:02):
Oh no.
With that, let's get the show onthe road.
Oh, I thought that was aquestion.
No, no, that'll be that'll befor the end here, okay?
I know my answer.
So, having watched the movie, weall watched the movie long
before this this take, but weall watched it with these
questions in mind.
(04:22):
So I'm gonna ask, this one's forD for TJ.
Well, let me ask Eric first.
What makes Shauna the Dead atimeless masterpiece of horror
comedy?
SPEAKER_00 (04:30):
This movie perfectly blends the horror genre with the
comedy genre to a point whereeven when there was horrible
things happening, such as um whois the guy who got ripped apart?
Uh Ed or um No, he got DavidDavid.
Even when that's happening,which was a pretty that's a
(04:53):
pretty graphic scene uh for acomedy movie, they immediately
follow it up with I thought itwas kind of funny that his wife
barges out there into certaindeath.
But it's just I don't I don'tknow.
It perfectly blends that kind ofhorror comedy, like kind of the
genesis of it all.
And I think that's kind of whatmakes it a timeless classic, is
(05:14):
that it was uh I believe one ofthe first to really try and
blend these these uh two genrestogether, and now we've seen a
lot of things like even Cooties,which is essentially Sean of the
Dead in a way, uh kind of thatsame humor horror.
SPEAKER_04 (05:32):
Does that answer the question?
Yeah.
So I had to ask TJ now.
SPEAKER_02 (05:38):
Your question is in the opposite, let me frame it
for you.
What makes Sean of the Dead adated gimmick that just got
lucky?
SPEAKER_01 (05:47):
Well, you see, Alex, it's it's really simple.
It is, it's a dated gimmick.
It relied on early 2000s irony,humor, and like it just it the
zombie trend, you know, likethat's the only reason this
movie came out, is becausemovies are in the early 2000s,
they're like, yo, zombies arepopular.
Let's just do zombies.
It was nothing fucking special.
The editing was horrible, it waslike fucking watching MTV Cribs.
(06:11):
Um the the fucking the the awfulcomedy in it.
It's dated, not clever at all.
It's British you.
Um and I really think that ifyou like this movie, it's just
the fact that it's the nostalgiakeeping it alive, but it's it's
not timeless, it's not amasterpiece.
It's just your nostalgiaspeaking.
SPEAKER_00 (06:33):
Okay, so do I get a rebuttal?
SPEAKER_02 (06:36):
Uh yeah, you can rebut that.
SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
Um I think that the British thing is really hard to
refute, so I'm not gonna refutethat one.
That one's true.
But so British, you Yeah, ththat I mean come on.
I think we've established onthis podcast that like it's not
even offensive because they'renot real.
SPEAKER_04 (06:56):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (06:58):
So but the other things that you said about the
humor being dated and just notoverall not that great, I
actually think quite theopposite.
I think that the many parallelsthat that these jokes had, a lot
of callbacks, um it was justvery well crafted.
(07:18):
It's a the whole movie is onewell-crafted joke with several
little segments and reoccurringbits that go through the whole
film.
SPEAKER_01 (07:26):
Okay, so you're fully okay with white people
saying the word nigga?
What?
Uh he hops out the car.
What does he say?
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (07:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, it's funny.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
Oh, so you think race is funny.
SPEAKER_02 (07:39):
Absolutely.
Especially once again.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
That's that's coming from you, Eric.
That's kind of yeah.
Wow.
Funny racism, I guess.
I'm just saying, I'm sureeverybody does TikTok.
SPEAKER_00 (07:52):
You know, like I I guarantee if I open your TikTok,
I see some of the worst shitI've ever seen in my life.
SPEAKER_02 (07:58):
Yeah, no, it's we're not gonna we're not gonna go
there, and the reason why we'renot gonna go there is because we
all qualify as people of color.
So it's kind of irrelevant.
SPEAKER_01 (08:10):
Some of us more than others, all right, Alex.
If you look at his we're rankingour colored, come on, brother.
SPEAKER_02 (08:16):
Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_01 (08:16):
Eric The Caucassity is is you even got a white dog.
It's it's it you're saying.
You even got a white dog.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
Okay, but look, that's a very Mexican thing.
I got a white crusty dog.
Nope, this is supposed to be achihuahua.
I love it.
It's a very Mexican thing.
Oh, supposed to be a Chihuahuathat's terrible.
I got a white crusty terrier whojust ate pasta off the ground
not 30 minutes ago.
SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
All right, I'm gonna have to interject here, and I
will tell you I'm giving Ericthat point, and I'm gonna tell
you why.
I can explain myself.
The reason why I'm going to giveEric that point is because the
reasons why you choose to notacknowledge the masterpiece of
(09:02):
this movie uh are actuallydebunked or uh uh refuted by
critics.
So Edgar Wright's kinetic styleof editing was actually one of
the things that made it standout.
Uh, it was very unusual for acomedy to do series of cutscenes
the way that they did.
I also uh not only do I do Iagree with Eric, but the
(09:26):
audiences agree with Eric thatit has at least for 20 years, it
has proved itself to be timelesson X.
It sounds to me like nostalgiakeeping on social media.
Uh well, I wouldn't say sobecause when it came up for its
20th anniversary last year, uhit's still alive and well.
There are still plenty of memesthat are being shared around
(09:48):
that talk about uh you've gotred on you, uh that is still
alive and well.
SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
I'm I'm not gonna lie, TJ.
I think you're screwed thisepisode.
SPEAKER_02 (09:57):
Do you think he's screwed?
SPEAKER_00 (09:58):
Yeah, because if I got that point, then he's
screwed.
SPEAKER_02 (10:01):
Nah, he just gotta pivot.
TJ's quick on his head feet.
SPEAKER_00 (10:04):
If if that's the metric that we're following,
that the the audience is gonnaagree with me on everything
here.
SPEAKER_02 (10:10):
No, no, no.
No, not everything.
Because I'll tell you, a coupleof the points that you hit on
were only lucky.
There are many weaknesses to theargument that this is a
masterpiece.
SPEAKER_01 (10:21):
One of them one of them is that it's a British
fucking movie.
SPEAKER_02 (10:26):
No, not not not that it's not that it's a British
movie.
I'm not gonna say British you isthe reason, but you're not wrong
in that sense because it waslimited to the UK, and because
it was limited to the UK, itreally didn't have that wide of
a reach at first.
It grew later, and because ofits British, um, its British uh
(10:50):
roots, if you will, it didn'ttranslate well into other
languages, which is quite funny.
So you weren't entirely wrong,it's just that Eric hit on
several of the main points ofwhat makes this movie uh stand
the test of time.
So that point goes to Eric.
I don't think that I I will notsay that I think you are screwed
(11:14):
in this episode.
I don't think all of the answersare gonna go like this.
SPEAKER_01 (11:20):
Let's see.
SPEAKER_00 (11:20):
I'm not gonna lie, bro.
It feels rigged.
SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
Fucking rigged.
SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
I admire your I admire your work.
SPEAKER_02 (11:27):
I This is why I don't try.
I hope it is rigged.
Okay.
TJ, how does the film's humormake it fall flat and derail the
zombie horror?
SPEAKER_01 (11:37):
Well Alex.
Uh I think that it derails it bythe fact that, you know, every
scare that's included in thismovie is uh immediately killed
by a joke.
Uh it never commits to beingscary or funny.
I'm never afraid and I'm neverlaughing in this movie.
It's really it's just bad.
Um I will admit, the sub niggaswas funny.
(12:02):
I just I forgot he said that.
Alright.
It was funny, but I can say thatbecause I'm black.
Eric, you're you're white, soyou can't really.
Um and I would like to reiterateNo, we're we're all people of
color here.
unknown (12:17):
Woo!
SPEAKER_01 (12:18):
The awkward British humor.
It's just it wears the wholething thin, you know?
Kind of kind of ruins it.
SPEAKER_02 (12:25):
Eric, your question in the same line, how does the
film's humor make it a classic?
SPEAKER_00 (12:31):
Like I said in my last answer, I think this entire
movie is one big bit with abunch of smaller bits within it.
And if I like anything, it's agood bit.
And I like that they commit tosome of them.
They I think they follow therule of threes in comedy pretty
often, uh, with this film, wherethere's a lot of callbacks uh to
(12:55):
moments that keep happening.
The first one being the uh whenuh Simon Peck's character, I
already forgot his name.
What's his name?
What's the main character'sname?
John.
That would be an idiot.
No, that would you're fuckingdumb.
So I forgot the name of themovie for a half a second there.
(13:16):
I just started thinking of allthe names I could think of, and
I couldn't remember what hisname was.
SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
Michael of the Dead Talk anymore.
What the fuck are we talkingabout?
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
Michael of the District.
SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
It's scene of the scene of the deceased.
SPEAKER_04 (13:33):
Michael of the Deceased.
The Netflix spinoff.
SPEAKER_02 (13:39):
Good stuff, good stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (13:41):
Um when Sean told the kid you're uh next time
you're dead, and the next timehe sees him, the kid's a zombie.
And then when Ed tells theirroommate, I forgot his name, um,
like next time I see him, he's adead man.
And then the next time they seehim, he's dead.
And then I can't remember if ithappens a third time, but just
(14:04):
the the constant uh callbacksand and like foreshadowing
that's happening within thismovie is not only comedic, but
uh very well crafted.
It's a well-crafted joke, thewhole movie.
SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
Okay, TJ, your rebuttal.
Uh, I think you're confusingcallbacks with comedy.
In what way is calling backcomedy?
It's just repeating the samething over and over.
And it's not the rules of threesif it keeps happening more than
three times.
SPEAKER_00 (14:30):
I'm pretty sure that's a tenant of con comedy.
SPEAKER_01 (14:33):
Nope.
That's the the the only rules ofthrees in this podcast I believe
in is three days without water,three weeks without food, and
three what?
See, he doesn't even know yourhonor.
SPEAKER_00 (14:44):
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SPEAKER_00 (15:43):
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SPEAKER_01 (15:44):
Are they edible or are we giving our people
microplastics?
Anyways.
Microplastics.
Yeah, I think you're confusingwhat humor actually is.
It's they there was nooriginality in any of the jokes.
They were all just the samejokes said multiple times and
hoping you get a laugh.
SPEAKER_00 (16:01):
Oh yeah?
When did he say the n-wordagain?
SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
Also, British ew.
SPEAKER_02 (16:05):
The the the British ew, you said a few things in the
uh in the comment, your originalcomment, TJ, that fall under a
category in the the weaknessesof calling this a masterpiece.
The arguments against land onsomething called niche appeal,
which is very true in thissense.
(16:28):
Uh it this is a very hard thingto do in film, which is called
cross genre.
To be able to blend horror andcomedy well is a very tough
thing to do, and it is veryniche, it's not widely accepted.
That's why the argument to saythat this is not a masterpiece
(16:48):
still holds water despite all ofthe evidence that I can give
that would make it amasterpiece.
The arguments are very valid,this being one of them.
Uh, the jokes didn't land foreverybody, the the horror didn't
land for everybody.
It was not it was not scary orfunny to a lot of people.
(17:10):
You actually hit almost exactlyon this category, niche appeal.
So DJ's gonna get that point,and we can uh move on to the
next question here.
Eric.
Yes, does Sean of the Dead'semotional debt, for instance,
Sean's relationships with Lizand his mom make it stand out?
SPEAKER_00 (17:31):
Absolutely.
I think his relationship withLiz was kinda like a lot of
Reddit stories that I've beenlistening to, uh, where he kind
of got complacent and he gaveup.
And uh he was kind of fucking upa lot.
And I think a little bit of itwas definitely Ed, but I think
he could take someresponsibility for some of it
(17:52):
too.
And I I think it was just a veryreal, um, like just very real
experiences and very realrelationship that you know I
I've heard that people have hadwhere, you know, they fall
complacent into a relationshipand you know, it just you kind
of lose that spark and there's alot of disappointment involved.
But uh I think and I still alsothink that his relationship, I
(18:13):
think less so with his mom andmore so with his stepdad, where
he like hated him, and thenreally quickly when it seemed
like reality hit him like atruck, and all of a sudden it
just it took a a world-endingevent to really snap him out of
his kind his complacency andrealize he's gotta step up.
And that's when he realized thatPhilip wasn't a bad guy and that
(18:36):
he was kind of being the jerk inthis situation, and uh he even
ended up crying when Philipdied, and he was really sad
about it, and of course, youknow, the the movie did yeah
immediately go to uh comedyagain, but it it perfectly
intermixes these uh the thesereally emotional moments, and
then they kind of lighten itback up again with the comedy,
(18:58):
which I think is the perfect wayto blend these two genres.
SPEAKER_02 (19:01):
TJ, your question on the same line does Sean of the
Dead's emotional depth, like hisrelationship with Liz and his
mom, uh is it just turning itinto tact on melodrama that
weakens all the fun?
SPEAKER_01 (19:14):
I find it incredibly funny that you would bring up
the fact that it's perfectlymixed, as you say, and then you
bring up the same scene wherePhilip dies and he's crying, and
it's supposed to be an emotionalscene.
It immediately cuts to a joke.
Like he's just oh, he's gone.
Where'd he go?
Yeah.
Okay.
Bro just lost his fucking fatherfigure.
(19:36):
I believe that the the emotionalbeats in this are forced,
abrupt, and I bel there's likecomplete like tonal whiplash
throughout this entire movie.
It's just, hey, sad scene.
Joke, sad scene, and it's it'snot at all perfectly mixed.
SPEAKER_00 (19:53):
I think of this movie similar to Zombieland.
When Bill Murray got shot inZombieland, it was a sad and
dramatic moment.
Um, and then was immediatelyfollowed by Emma Stone asking
him if there's any movies hewould regret.
And he goes, Garfield, maybe,and that's funny, and then they
(20:15):
toss his body up the balcony.
Very funny.
Uh Zombie Land had a different,not so much of a slapstick vibe
as Sean of the Dead did.
But that all that to say, thatis this genre.
That is how you mix horrorcomedy, is you you mix in these
dramatic moments, like Talhasseycrying about his child, uh
(20:37):
saying it's a dog, then it endsup being his kid, and then he's
drying his eyes with Monopolymoney.
So, you know, that there's thathumor mixed in with the dramatic
moments.
See, but uh which are you and Iguess you could argue the
intensity of it, but like thatis the genre.
SPEAKER_02 (20:51):
Both of you did extremely well on hitting on the
points that are referenced forthis exact genre, the what
they're calling the Zomcommovie.
Uh, there are a lot of differentuh different complaints and uh
what is the what is the oppositecompliments?
Compliments of the clashing ofthese these emotions,
(21:14):
specifically using Philip andSean, uh Sean's mom and uh her
death and Ed's death.
The fact that they keep forcingthis comedy with it, you both
are are actually hitting on theexact points that some people
absolutely love about this,which I'm one of those.
But there's many viewers whosaid that it distracted from the
(21:38):
movie's progress.
There was no need for it to beso emotional in such a funny
movie, you know.
Uh, but in order to do that, youhave to admit that it's a funny
movie, TJ.
So stop trashing it, just proveyour point.
All you gotta do is debate thepoint.
But you did hit exactly on thepoint.
(21:59):
Uh, there is a viewerrelationship with this movie
that they call it tone clash,and they did not find it
favorable and make it uh theydidn't make it anything that was
more worthwhile.
They didn't think that it addedanything to the movie.
Uh however, I am gonna have togive the point to Eric because
(22:21):
although that is a good, a goodpoint you made, TJ, it's not a
foolproof point because theoverwhelming majority of critics
loved the tone clashing of thismovie.
They thought it was endearingand felt like it actually helped
to break up the monotony of themovie that's trying to just be
(22:41):
funny and allowing it toactually have some heart.
SPEAKER_00 (22:45):
So that's but uh exactly like I said.
SPEAKER_02 (22:48):
I'm not I'm not railing against your point.
I'm just I'm just telling you,you don't have to trash the
movie to earn points on this.
Just debate your point.
Do y'all hear this motherfucker?
SPEAKER_00 (22:58):
How embarrassing, TJ.
SPEAKER_02 (23:00):
Do you hear him?
SPEAKER_04 (23:02):
Here hear who?
Do you hear this guy?
Who?
The host?
SPEAKER_01 (23:07):
They all hear the host.
SPEAKER_00 (23:08):
It sounds like he's talking shit, host.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (23:11):
I'm I'm wondering.
I'm not talking to you guys.
I'm talking to the survivor.
Do you hear this guy?
Isn't that isn't that wild?
What just happened?
SPEAKER_02 (23:22):
Is that is it wild or did I not you did I not make
the point well?
SPEAKER_01 (23:27):
Not not you.
You in the back?
You you look wasn't that shitwild?
Alright, back to the show.
I don't back to the show.
Okay.
So I completely agree with whatyou're saying, Your Honor, and
that was great.
SPEAKER_02 (23:42):
We're going back to TJ for the negative.
The Winchester pub siege is thefilm's climax.
Does it prove that this is justa that Sean led them into a
chaotic mess that that fallsapart?
SPEAKER_01 (23:54):
Well, yeah.
He didn't really have a plan.
I mean, as you could see in thescenes where he's trying to come
up with the plan, last resort,Winchester, of course, because
that's the only place he wantsto go to.
It it's a bad plan because one,well, they didn't know it, but
there's only one exit that'slike, you know.
(24:17):
One's blocked up by zombies,other one's blocked up by
zombies.
If bro wasn't there, theywouldn't know the fucking cellar
was open.
Which I feel like he could havesaid sooner.
Anyways, he's an idiot.
Open windows.
Not to the fall, Sean.
It's because of the otherdumbass.
But again, once that's breached,throwing chairs and shit in
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front of it's not gonna help.
That really just like that's notgonna do anything for you.
They turn the power on, whichthere's a whole ass jukebox
there that randomly plays shit.
Why would you not at least tryto unplug that?
No thought in that.
You know, because it was suchlike a back of his mind plan,
like it was last resort.
Hey, let's go to the freakingWinchester.
(24:59):
There's like a million zombiesoutside, so that's automatically
less safe than where they wereat the at her apartment.
They could all just been upthere.
And yeah, everybody dies becauseof it, except for two people by
pure luck and happenstance.
There was no plan.
He just he wanted he wanted todo what he wrote down on the
fridge that morning, or beforethe morning when he passed out
(25:23):
drunk.
He said, visit mom, get my girlback, and then whatever.
So that was his horror.
His plan was to just getbitches.
And I think he said sort my lifeout.
Yeah.
So Eric could really learnsomething from this.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (25:41):
Shots fired.
Okay, alright, alright, alright.
SPEAKER_01 (25:44):
And that's my that's my point.
SPEAKER_02 (25:46):
You're arguing from from the character of Sean,
which is good.
I'm not I'm not uh I'm notdeducting anything from that.
But I want to add a little bitto it.
Because we're talking about thefilm being a masterpiece.
Do you think that this that thisclimax achieved what the
(26:08):
director was going for?
Right?
Because the whole the wholething that he's trying to get
you to, the whole story arc ofSean is from a loser to a hero.
Do you feel like he progressedus to that point by this climax?
SPEAKER_01 (26:24):
Dude was not a hero whatsoever.
He got saved by the military atthe end.
And as I said, everybody diedbecause of his stupid plan, uh,
including his best friend, who'sdead in a shed at the end.
It was literally just chaos fromthe start.
The only like the only way hecould get the zombies away is
he's oh right?
And then the zombies follow him,and what does he do?
(26:45):
Lead him right back to anotherentrance that they weren't at
before.
SPEAKER_04 (26:52):
So like yeah.
Alright.
SPEAKER_02 (26:56):
And so for you, Eric, did the Winchester Pub's
siege being the film's climax,did it prove Sean's genius as a
survival story?
SPEAKER_00 (27:08):
I think that Sean did the best he could, and
although I saw where he wascoming from at the end where he
was kind of beaten up on himselfand he was saying that, you
know, he failed because so manypeople died.
Although that's true, this isone of those situations where
the a lot of it is luck, andthis is not really your fault.
(27:29):
Now, the Winchester, they knew aplace that did end up having a
working gun, was did have somepretty hefty doors.
It took the zombies a goodlittle while to to get back in,
and they would not have gottenin had uh Sean not let them back
to the back door.
They weren't even coming inthrough the broken window.
(27:50):
So I think it's safe to say thatit was fine until all the drama
with David and uh and hisgirlfriend opening the or him
getting pulled out and then heropening the door.
If it wasn't for that, uh Ithink they could have secured
the Winchester.
Um I don't think a bar isnecessarily the worst place to
(28:15):
pick.
Uh I think your biggest concernis gonna be food.
But uh I don't think likebecause it you know it's not
gonna have a lot of it.
Water.
I guess water too.
But you have you have somethingyou could trade, and I I would
argue that at least theWinchester was, if not
defensible, it had supplies tomove on to the next spot.
(28:37):
So I don't think it was an awfulplan.
Um I I I think it was a decentplan, and I think he had lead
the leadership qualities thatwere necessary to keep the group
together because we saw whenDavid tried to take on the role
of leader, the group was reallyquickly spiraling.
And it wasn't until it kind ofseems like David was the the
chink in the armor for uh forthat group.
(29:00):
He kind of caused the collapseof that group.
I wouldn't say that it wasSean's planning that did that.
SPEAKER_02 (29:06):
Well, as uh as Brandon says, they had beer.
SPEAKER_00 (29:10):
They had beer.
SPEAKER_01 (29:11):
Beer's made with water.
First, you laugh at the N-wordcoming from a white man, and
then you say chink, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (29:18):
Oh my goodness.
Um you made it that.
SPEAKER_01 (29:22):
You're right, I didn't make it that.
We're trying to cancel Eric thisseason.
This is cancel Eric.
Apparently, you want to cancelEric, dial 1-800, cancel Eric,
and you will probably callsomething that isn't us.
That's a very long phone number.
SPEAKER_02 (29:37):
I like uh I like that.
I always say that, especially ifthey had Coors Light, they then
they had Mountain Spring water.
They had plenty of water, butit's Britain, so they probably
didn't have coarse light.
SPEAKER_01 (29:48):
Now fucking fermented piss, aka Guinness.
SPEAKER_02 (29:51):
What I will I will say this.
Um I I even tried to lead I eventried to lead your answer there,
TJ.
Um I don't even I don't even get
SPEAKER_01 (30:00):
Rebuttal.
I feel like I should be able torebuttal.
Rebut.
Rebut.
There was no after plan.
Oh, it could get to the nextplace.
Bro didn't have a plan.
He he did exactly what bro saidhe would do, and hey, let's eat
fucking peanuts and sit there.
There was no genius.
There was it was a chaotic mess.
That's what I that's my point.
It didn't lead him to anywherethat I feel like the if the
(30:23):
director wanted it to be to thepoint where he was a hero at the
end, didn't work.
His father figure died, his momdied, everyone fucking died.
Was not a hero.
Only thing he saved is hisgoddamn relationship, I guess.
Unrealistic at that.
No.
SPEAKER_00 (30:40):
He he had Ed at the end.
SPEAKER_01 (30:43):
He was dead.
SPEAKER_00 (30:44):
I just want to point out.
They were playing video gamestogether.
SPEAKER_01 (30:47):
Yeah, Ed was playing with one finger.
He was holding the controllerand poking it.
SPEAKER_00 (30:52):
Look, I'd still play games with you if you were dead.
I don't know why you're beingdead phobic over here.
SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
I know.
I kind of saw I kind of saw therelationship between Eric and TJ
in that scene.
Sorry to say.
SPEAKER_01 (31:02):
I mean like crazy that you would think that he's
not Ed.
The amount of TJ on shit hedoes, dude.
Okay, I'm that bad at games.
That's no, you're not gonna tryto rage bait me, sir.
SPEAKER_02 (31:15):
I am great at games.
Okay.
So TJ, I'll tell you you youstruck directly on some points
regarding survival strategyflaws, right?
Of course, it was a terribleplan to go to the Winchester.
That there's no argument there.
Everybody knows that was theworst plan that they could have
come up with.
SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
I disagree.
SPEAKER_02 (31:35):
They followed through with that plan because
he had no other plan, right?
They get to the Winchester.
What I was trying to coax out ofyou, I was leading you in this
answer here.
I wanted you to uh talk aboutSean's growth through the movie.
Uh yeah, he when he got to theWinchester, the fact is that he
(31:57):
did start making tougher calls,right?
But it was it was the flaw andthe chaos of the filmmaker.
I mean, he took 20 minutes toprogress the story in the
Winchester, right?
You get to the Winchester, andthat's the final 20 minutes of a
99-minute movie.
So your your chaotic mess isabsolutely relevant in that
(32:21):
argument.
Uh, he it felt like he kind ofstruggled to move the story
along from that point.
Now, Sean did grow.
Yeah, that was the the point ofthe story.
He did grow into being somewhatof a leader, uh, even to the
point where he hands Ed the gunat the end, or sorry, the the
rifle at the end and says, uh,you know, here, take this.
(32:42):
He's like, You don't want it?
Nah, I can't hit anything withit.
I'm absolute rubbish.
Right?
It's like it still being funny,but making tougher calls that,
hey, let's make sense, let'sreally make choices that make
sense out of it.
SPEAKER_00 (32:56):
Putting ego aside.
SPEAKER_02 (32:58):
But uh, you didn't have to you didn't have to argue
the point, the positive of thisand still get the uh and still
get the win by pointing out thepacing issues that the director
had with this, and that was kindof the the thing I was trying to
coax you toward.
We're talking about thefilmmaking and that this is a
(33:20):
masterpiece, not necessarily thesurvival strategy flaws,
although there were many, and Ithank you for bringing those up.
And I think uh you are gonna getthat point because you actually
stayed heavy on that aspectrather than uh missing the other
aspect.
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SPEAKER_00 (34:48):
Who hosts next episode?
SPEAKER_02 (34:50):
So I do want to tell you, Eric, you you hit on one
main point of Sean, which Iappreciate, but TJ hit on two
separate uh points.
I was trying to to lead himthere because he's going really
hard on the character instead ofon the film.
So to make sure that this is notgonna be a tie, I'm only gonna
(35:11):
do the first three.
So you guys already have thesequestions.
So I'm only gonna do the firstthree.
SPEAKER_01 (35:16):
I think it'd be funny if it was a fucking tie at
the end, but you know.
SPEAKER_02 (35:19):
Well, do you want to do four?
We can do all four.
TJ went last.
So, Eric, you'll go first on thelightning round.
SPEAKER_04 (35:24):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (35:25):
This is quick provocations just to keep things
spicy.
You ready?
SPEAKER_00 (35:29):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (35:30):
Best moment in Sean of the Dead.
SPEAKER_00 (35:32):
Oh, fudge.
Oh, best moment in Sean of theDead when they're throwing the
records at the zombies andthey're picking which records
they're gonna throw and whichones they're not.
Very funny.
SPEAKER_04 (35:41):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (35:42):
Alright.
TJ, best moment.
Uh or you could say overrated.
The most overrated moment.
SPEAKER_01 (35:50):
Uh, I would think that the most overrated moment
would probably be when uh Queenis playing over the radio.
unknown (35:59):
Oh!
SPEAKER_01 (35:59):
Uh yeah, you would think that.
And they're like doing zero likea hundred percent attack, zero
percent damage on the bar owner.
SPEAKER_02 (36:08):
Um yeah, yeah, that was funny.
All right, next, Sean's dumbestmove.
Uh TJ, you're gonna you're gonnaattack it.
Sean's dumbest move.
SPEAKER_01 (36:20):
The main move.
Taking everybody to the goddamnpub.
Bro, could have done there'slike a million places.
Like the UK isn't like huge, butthere's a lot of places there
that are a hundred percentbetter.
Uh dumb no, you know what?
Dumbest move not going with thegroup of people like the uh was
it his ex-girlfriend orsomething?
(36:42):
I didn't really get the highschool buddy.
High school buddy.
Yeah, should have gone with her.
Yeah, dumbest move.
SPEAKER_04 (36:48):
They look way more prepared, even though their
group looked exactly the same.
Okay.
Eric Sean's dumbest move.
His dumbest or his best?
Well, defend it.
Oh you want to defend that move?
Not going with um Yvonne.
SPEAKER_00 (37:07):
Not going with Yvonne.
I think uh to defend this, Iwould say that um you can't have
you can't mix certain groups.
You know, you know how you havecertain friend groups, and you
can't always mix those friendgroups together because
sometimes you know someone fitsa certain personality, and you
(37:29):
can't have too many of thatpersonality in a group where the
group kind of implodes onitself.
So you can't double the and thenyou say don't mix.
SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
What's going on today, Eric?
SPEAKER_00 (37:41):
We need to segregate our friendships again because if
Wow.
If you add too many of the samepersonality to a friend group,
it implodes.
SPEAKER_02 (37:50):
Okay.
Last two, you guys can pickwhich side you want to take, and
you can be as real as you wantwith your own feelings.
So, Ed, loyal friend or deadweight, TJ.
Go.
SPEAKER_01 (38:02):
Uh, dead weight disguised as comic relief.
Okay.
He's uh Eric.
He's an idiot.
He's he's he's an idiot.
He doesn't think about hisfriends.
Uh yeah, he he crashed thefucking car, dumbass.
Guess we gotta take the Jag,idiot.
SPEAKER_00 (38:19):
I would say smart.
Um, first of all, crashing theshitty car so you could drive
the Jaguar.
Gold move.
That that's that's a solid move.
I it's a zombie apocalypse.
I agree with that.
That is calculated and planned,that's not stupid.
He knew what he was doing.
Um but I would say to answer thequestion, I think two things can
(38:40):
be true at once.
Although Ed was dead weight in asense, because he kind of did
just let his life be kind oflackadaisical, but at the same
time, he was that comic relief,and it did give it he was such a
loyal friend.
So although he was he was a bitof a dead weight and kind of
(39:00):
didn't help in the moretraditional sense, he was very
he was a very good friend toSean in a sense that like when
Sean got broken up with,although it was a little bit
Ed's fault, uh Ed was the one tobe there for Sean and dance with
him and play electro music attwo in the morning, four in the
(39:20):
morning.
Four in the morning, that wasEd.
So Ed's all the vibes, it's aparasite.
So I think two things could betrue at once, but he's the vibe.
SPEAKER_02 (39:29):
Okay.
And last but not least, wouldyou survive in Sean's shoes?
SPEAKER_01 (39:34):
Yeah, um, they're slower than walkers in the
walking dead.
Um so probably, yeah.
You literally just walk and theycan't get you.
The the the biggest way thatthese type of zombies can get
you is like they kind of sneakaround because they're so slow.
Um so just go up into somewherehigh like a fucking watchtower,
(40:00):
you know, type beat.
And you can't get snuck up on.
SPEAKER_02 (40:04):
Sorry to tell you.
But our uh one of oursubscribers, Sam, commented and
said, TJ, shut your mouth.
You'll be Ed locked up in theshed by Eric.
SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
Eric wishes he could try to lock me in his shed.
SPEAKER_02 (40:19):
And she wasn't here when we said this before.
That that makes it comical.
SPEAKER_01 (40:24):
Eric is literally four foot one.
SPEAKER_02 (40:26):
Eric, would you survive in Sean's shoes?
SPEAKER_00 (40:30):
Absolutely.
Absolutely, I would survive inSean's shoes.
These zombies are not that bad.
I think there are way worsezombies.
And I think that uh as long asyou don't get flanked, and as
long as you just keep your headon a swivel, I think you easily
(40:50):
survive this.
I mean, Sean literally ranthrough a horde of them
untouched, so I'll take my odds.
SPEAKER_04 (40:57):
Okay.
Fair enough.
Alright.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have awinner.
SPEAKER_00 (41:05):
Is it the one who didn't know the main character's
name?
SPEAKER_02 (41:07):
Our No.
Okay, okay.
Our winner after a tie and goingthrough the lightning round is
well, it's it was two to twogoing into this, and then the
lightning round is three to onein favor of tune in next time to
find out.
SPEAKER_01 (41:26):
No, I'm you know what I literally would do that.
Like, you don't understand?
I would do that.
I would just think that'll waittill next episode.
Yeah, just see who's introducingthe next episode.
SPEAKER_02 (41:46):
So the winner is TJ.
SPEAKER_01 (41:48):
Yes, dude.
And I even have an outro linefor this.
SPEAKER_00 (41:53):
He literally planned to win.
What is it?
SPEAKER_01 (41:55):
Sean of the Dead might have shambled into cult
status, but under the laughs andedits, it's just a lazy,
overhyped zombie flick thatlucked into timing, not
timelessness.
And with that being said, Iabsolutely love this movie.
And if you ever make me dosomething like this again, I
will stab Eric.
Well, thank you for the winner'sspeech there.
SPEAKER_02 (42:17):
I will say uh that's a wrap on Shauna the Debate.
We finished that out.
SPEAKER_00 (42:25):
I think this is the last debate.
SPEAKER_02 (42:29):
Eric argu argued for the brilliance of the movie.
SPEAKER_01 (42:32):
We'll bring this back to the show.
SPEAKER_02 (42:33):
TJ tried to tear it down.
But you all tell us who made thestronger case.
And uh make sure you give us arating on Spotify.
I don't remember if ApplePodcasts lets you rate.
I don't use an Apple.
Sorry.
Disgusting.
I don't know these things.
SPEAKER_01 (42:54):
Just like British people.
Apple, gross.
Y'all are some followers.
SPEAKER_02 (42:58):
I don't but but I will say, all of you who use
your apples, uh, I ain't judgingbecause I know that you're the
majority of our listeners.
SPEAKER_01 (43:07):
So I think Oh yeah, no, I love Apple.
Apple's fun.
Steve Jobs, praise him.
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(43:28):
We are posting there now.
You can check us out onInstagram, Twitter, at the boys,
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Um I don't do this enough.
Y'all do this more.
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At WYS, I think.
At WYS.
At WIS on Twitter.
We don't I don't do we do stuffon Twitter?
I don't follow our Twitter.
I should follow our Twitter.
SPEAKER_02 (43:51):
Um little by little.
It's uh primarily become a umlike a behind the scenes.
SPEAKER_01 (43:58):
Give me give me the login to that.
I'm gonna start posting randomtweets.
SPEAKER_02 (44:03):
I just I just I just randomly send stuff out.
Um one of the one of the mostcommon things that I'll do is
when there are real um naturedisasters, uh natural disasters
going on, I'll tweet things umregarding those at that at that
moment when I find out.
(44:24):
But that's um yeah, X is X isone of the fewer used of the
socials.
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Yeah, and if you guys would be so kind to you
know rate us and shit, let usmake money off this, and we'll
send money to people indisasters.
We might even fly down and dosomething.
Just saying that'd be prettyfucking dope.
Um, because we're great peoplehere, uh, other than Eric
Heather.
(44:50):
I think we are clarified, he'sracist.
SPEAKER_00 (44:52):
Um what the fuck?
Only on days that end in dead.
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You can email us.
That'd be great.
Uh I'm kidding.
I'm not racist.
I want to make that very clear.
The boys.
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Um, yeah.
Um, oh, give me a thousanddollars and I'll get your name
tattooed on me.
I have been saying this,nobody's given me a thousand
dollars yet.
That's crazy.
Yeah, like come on.
It's such a good deal.
(45:26):
You give me money, I'm I get atattoo.
SPEAKER_04 (45:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (45:30):
I'm shocked.
No, wait, hang on.
We never established this.
Does does the thousand dollarsuh cover the cost of the tattoo,
or is it a thousand plus thecost of the tattoo?
SPEAKER_01 (45:42):
It's a thousand dollars, and then I'll use a
chunk of the thousand for thetattoo.
Okay.
So really, like, you know, nine,maybe eight hundred.
That would get the J.
My sister came into my fuckinglive.
Stop pulling Eric.
Justice for Eric.
(46:03):
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
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SPEAKER_01 (46:38):
Unless you are Jonathan of the dead.
Hello, survivors, and welcome to another episode
of Will You Survive the Podcast.
In this episode, we are going tobe blending some popular culture
with tactical thinking andsurvival.
SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
Popular is a bit of a stretch.
SPEAKER_02 (00:42):
Oh, it's popular as hell.
We are going to be talking aboutSean of the Dead.
We'll just call this episodeSean of the Debate.
Our co-host, you guys know them.
They're TJ and Eric.
It's me, TJ.
SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
And it's me, gay.
SPEAKER_02 (00:55):
Oh, dang.
I'm going to be Sean of the Mid.
Yeah, you are.
Wow.
Okay, well, you guys are goingto be arguing with you on
everything.
This is a debate over whether ornot Sean of the Dead is a
masterpiece.
For those of you who don't know,Eric does not believe this movie
to be a masterpiece.
(01:15):
TJ does.
SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
That is an absolute lie, Your Honor.
I would like them to be strickenfor the record.
No, it's he's committing to itnow.
SPEAKER_02 (01:24):
We reverse the roles on them, and we're going to make
them argue their oppositepoints.
So Eric's gonna have to prove tome that he believes this is a
masterpiece and why, and TJ'sgonna have to prove it's not,
also backing up his points.
Can Eric defend the brillianceof this movie that he doesn't
believe?
SPEAKER_00 (01:42):
Okay.
Um, I I wanna I'm I'm gonnapresent a pre-game defense.
For those of you who may nothave been around for a while,
you were just born.
Um Alex makes some intensequestions at times, and a lot of
times they make me feel like I'mback in college, and I work a
(02:04):
very demanding job, and I have apretty demanding side gig, and I
have a new puppy, so I'm verybusy and I'm tired, and I don't
have time for homework.
And uh I I've read thequestions, I've read the
questions.
SPEAKER_01 (02:17):
I've got a demanding job and two new cats.
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
But TJ uh is a lot more prepared for this episode
than I am.
I've got a demanding job, twokids.
SPEAKER_01 (02:25):
So so you're like adult plus, you can't really
talk, Alex.
We're yeah, that's not fair.
When we when we oh, so we needwe need somebody, somebody,
something's happening.
Get an adult.
See, we don't they don't comeback to us, they go to you.
SPEAKER_02 (02:38):
I am old, so I'm tired.
SPEAKER_00 (02:41):
No, you're experienced, but I'm tired.
No, no, um seasoned.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
The sent the centuries of the centuries of
seasoned a good band.
SPEAKER_02 (02:53):
Okay, continue.
Finish your excuses.
I mean reasons.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
All that to say um that if my defense of this movie
is very poor, although I don'tthink this movie is a
masterpiece, at this point it'sa little more out of ego, but I
will say I kind of viewed thismovie in a little bit of a
different light, this watch.
And there were some parts of itthat I might have overlooked
(03:18):
before that are when you look atit as different than the way I
was looking at the movie thefirst couple watches, it's
better.
And it's funny.
I've never thought it wasn'tfunny, I just thought it was a
lot, it was really corny, but Ikind of ignored a lot of the
nuances of the movie and I sawthem this time.
So I don't I've never hated thismovie.
SPEAKER_02 (03:40):
I know, but with that, we're going to ask the
question.
I'm gonna ask again Can Ericdefend the brilliance of a film
he doubts?
Can TJ dismantle a movie heloves?
We're gonna finish this off byasking the question Do either of
you think that you would survivezombie apocalypse if you were
either led by Sean himself or ifyou were Sean?
(04:02):
Oh no.
With that, let's get the show onthe road.
Oh, I thought that was aquestion.
No, no, that'll be that'll befor the end here, okay?
I know my answer.
So, having watched the movie, weall watched the movie long
before this this take, but weall watched it with these
questions in mind.
(04:22):
So I'm gonna ask, this one's forD for TJ.
Well, let me ask Eric first.
What makes Shauna the Dead atimeless masterpiece of horror
comedy?
SPEAKER_00 (04:30):
This movie perfectly blends the horror genre with the
comedy genre to a point whereeven when there was horrible
things happening, such as um whois the guy who got ripped apart?
Uh Ed or um No, he got DavidDavid.
Even when that's happening,which was a pretty that's a
(04:53):
pretty graphic scene uh for acomedy movie, they immediately
follow it up with I thought itwas kind of funny that his wife
barges out there into certaindeath.
But it's just I don't I don'tknow.
It perfectly blends that kind ofhorror comedy, like kind of the
genesis of it all.
And I think that's kind of whatmakes it a timeless classic, is
(05:14):
that it was uh I believe one ofthe first to really try and
blend these these uh two genrestogether, and now we've seen a
lot of things like even Cooties,which is essentially Sean of the
Dead in a way, uh kind of thatsame humor horror.
SPEAKER_04 (05:32):
Does that answer the question?
Yeah.
So I had to ask TJ now.
SPEAKER_02 (05:38):
Your question is in the opposite, let me frame it
for you.
What makes Sean of the Dead adated gimmick that just got
lucky?
SPEAKER_01 (05:47):
Well, you see, Alex, it's it's really simple.
It is, it's a dated gimmick.
It relied on early 2000s irony,humor, and like it just it the
zombie trend, you know, likethat's the only reason this
movie came out, is becausemovies are in the early 2000s,
they're like, yo, zombies arepopular.
Let's just do zombies.
It was nothing fucking special.
The editing was horrible, it waslike fucking watching MTV Cribs.
(06:11):
Um the the fucking the the awfulcomedy in it.
It's dated, not clever at all.
It's British you.
Um and I really think that ifyou like this movie, it's just
the fact that it's the nostalgiakeeping it alive, but it's it's
not timeless, it's not amasterpiece.
It's just your nostalgiaspeaking.
SPEAKER_00 (06:33):
Okay, so do I get a rebuttal?
SPEAKER_02 (06:36):
Uh yeah, you can rebut that.
SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
Um I think that the British thing is really hard to
refute, so I'm not gonna refutethat one.
That one's true.
But so British, you Yeah, ththat I mean come on.
I think we've established onthis podcast that like it's not
even offensive because they'renot real.
SPEAKER_04 (06:56):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (06:58):
So but the other things that you said about the
humor being dated and just notoverall not that great, I
actually think quite theopposite.
I think that the many parallelsthat that these jokes had, a lot
of callbacks, um it was justvery well crafted.
(07:18):
It's a the whole movie is onewell-crafted joke with several
little segments and reoccurringbits that go through the whole
film.
SPEAKER_01 (07:26):
Okay, so you're fully okay with white people
saying the word nigga?
What?
Uh he hops out the car.
What does he say?
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (07:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, it's funny.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
Oh, so you think race is funny.
SPEAKER_02 (07:39):
Absolutely.
Especially once again.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
That's that's coming from you, Eric.
That's kind of yeah.
Wow.
Funny racism, I guess.
I'm just saying, I'm sureeverybody does TikTok.
SPEAKER_00 (07:52):
You know, like I I guarantee if I open your TikTok,
I see some of the worst shitI've ever seen in my life.
SPEAKER_02 (07:58):
Yeah, no, it's we're not gonna we're not gonna go
there, and the reason why we'renot gonna go there is because we
all qualify as people of color.
So it's kind of irrelevant.
SPEAKER_01 (08:10):
Some of us more than others, all right, Alex.
If you look at his we're rankingour colored, come on, brother.
SPEAKER_02 (08:16):
Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_01 (08:16):
Eric The Caucassity is is you even got a white dog.
It's it's it you're saying.
You even got a white dog.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
Okay, but look, that's a very Mexican thing.
I got a white crusty dog.
Nope, this is supposed to be achihuahua.
I love it.
It's a very Mexican thing.
Oh, supposed to be a Chihuahuathat's terrible.
I got a white crusty terrier whojust ate pasta off the ground
not 30 minutes ago.
SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
All right, I'm gonna have to interject here, and I
will tell you I'm giving Ericthat point, and I'm gonna tell
you why.
I can explain myself.
The reason why I'm going to giveEric that point is because the
reasons why you choose to notacknowledge the masterpiece of
(09:02):
this movie uh are actuallydebunked or uh uh refuted by
critics.
So Edgar Wright's kinetic styleof editing was actually one of
the things that made it standout.
Uh, it was very unusual for acomedy to do series of cutscenes
the way that they did.
I also uh not only do I do Iagree with Eric, but the
(09:26):
audiences agree with Eric thatit has at least for 20 years, it
has proved itself to be timelesson X.
It sounds to me like nostalgiakeeping on social media.
Uh well, I wouldn't say sobecause when it came up for its
20th anniversary last year, uhit's still alive and well.
There are still plenty of memesthat are being shared around
(09:48):
that talk about uh you've gotred on you, uh that is still
alive and well.
SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
I'm I'm not gonna lie, TJ.
I think you're screwed thisepisode.
SPEAKER_02 (09:57):
Do you think he's screwed?
SPEAKER_00 (09:58):
Yeah, because if I got that point, then he's
screwed.
SPEAKER_02 (10:01):
Nah, he just gotta pivot.
TJ's quick on his head feet.
SPEAKER_00 (10:04):
If if that's the metric that we're following,
that the the audience is gonnaagree with me on everything
here.
SPEAKER_02 (10:10):
No, no, no.
No, not everything.
Because I'll tell you, a coupleof the points that you hit on
were only lucky.
There are many weaknesses to theargument that this is a
masterpiece.
SPEAKER_01 (10:21):
One of them one of them is that it's a British
fucking movie.
SPEAKER_02 (10:26):
No, not not not that it's not that it's a British
movie.
I'm not gonna say British you isthe reason, but you're not wrong
in that sense because it waslimited to the UK, and because
it was limited to the UK, itreally didn't have that wide of
a reach at first.
It grew later, and because ofits British, um, its British uh
(10:50):
roots, if you will, it didn'ttranslate well into other
languages, which is quite funny.
So you weren't entirely wrong,it's just that Eric hit on
several of the main points ofwhat makes this movie uh stand
the test of time.
So that point goes to Eric.
I don't think that I I will notsay that I think you are screwed
(11:14):
in this episode.
I don't think all of the answersare gonna go like this.
SPEAKER_01 (11:20):
Let's see.
SPEAKER_00 (11:20):
I'm not gonna lie, bro.
It feels rigged.
SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
Fucking rigged.
SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
I admire your I admire your work.
SPEAKER_02 (11:27):
I This is why I don't try.
I hope it is rigged.
Okay.
TJ, how does the film's humormake it fall flat and derail the
zombie horror?
SPEAKER_01 (11:37):
Well Alex.
Uh I think that it derails it bythe fact that, you know, every
scare that's included in thismovie is uh immediately killed
by a joke.
Uh it never commits to beingscary or funny.
I'm never afraid and I'm neverlaughing in this movie.
It's really it's just bad.
Um I will admit, the sub niggaswas funny.
(12:02):
I just I forgot he said that.
Alright.
It was funny, but I can say thatbecause I'm black.
Eric, you're you're white, soyou can't really.
Um and I would like to reiterateNo, we're we're all people of
color here.
unknown (12:17):
Woo!
SPEAKER_01 (12:18):
The awkward British humor.
It's just it wears the wholething thin, you know?
Kind of kind of ruins it.
SPEAKER_02 (12:25):
Eric, your question in the same line, how does the
film's humor make it a classic?
SPEAKER_00 (12:31):
Like I said in my last answer, I think this entire
movie is one big bit with abunch of smaller bits within it.
And if I like anything, it's agood bit.
And I like that they commit tosome of them.
They I think they follow therule of threes in comedy pretty
often, uh, with this film, wherethere's a lot of callbacks uh to
(12:55):
moments that keep happening.
The first one being the uh whenuh Simon Peck's character, I
already forgot his name.
What's his name?
What's the main character'sname?
John.
That would be an idiot.
No, that would you're fuckingdumb.
So I forgot the name of themovie for a half a second there.
(13:16):
I just started thinking of allthe names I could think of, and
I couldn't remember what hisname was.
SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
Michael of the Dead Talk anymore.
What the fuck are we talkingabout?
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
Michael of the District.
SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
It's scene of the scene of the deceased.
SPEAKER_04 (13:33):
Michael of the Deceased.
The Netflix spinoff.
SPEAKER_02 (13:39):
Good stuff, good stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (13:41):
Um when Sean told the kid you're uh next time
you're dead, and the next timehe sees him, the kid's a zombie.
And then when Ed tells theirroommate, I forgot his name, um,
like next time I see him, he's adead man.
And then the next time they seehim, he's dead.
And then I can't remember if ithappens a third time, but just
(14:04):
the the constant uh callbacksand and like foreshadowing
that's happening within thismovie is not only comedic, but
uh very well crafted.
It's a well-crafted joke, thewhole movie.
SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
Okay, TJ, your rebuttal.
Uh, I think you're confusingcallbacks with comedy.
In what way is calling backcomedy?
It's just repeating the samething over and over.
And it's not the rules of threesif it keeps happening more than
three times.
SPEAKER_00 (14:30):
I'm pretty sure that's a tenant of con comedy.
SPEAKER_01 (14:33):
Nope.
That's the the the only rules ofthrees in this podcast I believe
in is three days without water,three weeks without food, and
three what?
See, he doesn't even know yourhonor.
SPEAKER_00 (14:44):
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SPEAKER_00 (15:23):
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Okay, so here's what I'mthinking.
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SPEAKER_02 (15:31):
Yeah, but someone else could, like their family
members.
Like what if their girlfriendactually does listen to the
podcast?
What they have to prove it.
SPEAKER_01 (15:37):
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Polyester isn't edible, cottonis cotton's edible?
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SPEAKER_00 (15:43):
The WISP.
SPEAKER_01 (15:44):
Are they edible or are we giving our people
microplastics?
Anyways.
Microplastics.
Yeah, I think you're confusingwhat humor actually is.
It's they there was nooriginality in any of the jokes.
They were all just the samejokes said multiple times and
hoping you get a laugh.
SPEAKER_00 (16:01):
Oh yeah?
When did he say the n-wordagain?
SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
Also, British ew.
SPEAKER_02 (16:05):
The the the British ew, you said a few things in the
uh in the comment, your originalcomment, TJ, that fall under a
category in the the weaknessesof calling this a masterpiece.
The arguments against land onsomething called niche appeal,
which is very true in thissense.
(16:28):
Uh it this is a very hard thingto do in film, which is called
cross genre.
To be able to blend horror andcomedy well is a very tough
thing to do, and it is veryniche, it's not widely accepted.
That's why the argument to saythat this is not a masterpiece
(16:48):
still holds water despite all ofthe evidence that I can give
that would make it amasterpiece.
The arguments are very valid,this being one of them.
Uh, the jokes didn't land foreverybody, the the horror didn't
land for everybody.
It was not it was not scary orfunny to a lot of people.
(17:10):
You actually hit almost exactlyon this category, niche appeal.
So DJ's gonna get that point,and we can uh move on to the
next question here.
Eric.
Yes, does Sean of the Dead'semotional debt, for instance,
Sean's relationships with Lizand his mom make it stand out?
SPEAKER_00 (17:31):
Absolutely.
I think his relationship withLiz was kinda like a lot of
Reddit stories that I've beenlistening to, uh, where he kind
of got complacent and he gaveup.
And uh he was kind of fucking upa lot.
And I think a little bit of itwas definitely Ed, but I think
he could take someresponsibility for some of it
(17:52):
too.
And I I think it was just a veryreal, um, like just very real
experiences and very realrelationship that you know I
I've heard that people have hadwhere, you know, they fall
complacent into a relationshipand you know, it just you kind
of lose that spark and there's alot of disappointment involved.
But uh I think and I still alsothink that his relationship, I
(18:13):
think less so with his mom andmore so with his stepdad, where
he like hated him, and thenreally quickly when it seemed
like reality hit him like atruck, and all of a sudden it
just it took a a world-endingevent to really snap him out of
his kind his complacency andrealize he's gotta step up.
And that's when he realized thatPhilip wasn't a bad guy and that
(18:36):
he was kind of being the jerk inthis situation, and uh he even
ended up crying when Philipdied, and he was really sad
about it, and of course, youknow, the the movie did yeah
immediately go to uh comedyagain, but it it perfectly
intermixes these uh the thesereally emotional moments, and
then they kind of lighten itback up again with the comedy,
(18:58):
which I think is the perfect wayto blend these two genres.
SPEAKER_02 (19:01):
TJ, your question on the same line does Sean of the
Dead's emotional depth, like hisrelationship with Liz and his
mom, uh is it just turning itinto tact on melodrama that
weakens all the fun?
SPEAKER_01 (19:14):
I find it incredibly funny that you would bring up
the fact that it's perfectlymixed, as you say, and then you
bring up the same scene wherePhilip dies and he's crying, and
it's supposed to be an emotionalscene.
It immediately cuts to a joke.
Like he's just oh, he's gone.
Where'd he go?
Yeah.
Okay.
Bro just lost his fucking fatherfigure.
(19:36):
I believe that the the emotionalbeats in this are forced,
abrupt, and I bel there's likecomplete like tonal whiplash
throughout this entire movie.
It's just, hey, sad scene.
Joke, sad scene, and it's it'snot at all perfectly mixed.
SPEAKER_00 (19:53):
I think of this movie similar to Zombieland.
When Bill Murray got shot inZombieland, it was a sad and
dramatic moment.
Um, and then was immediatelyfollowed by Emma Stone asking
him if there's any movies hewould regret.
And he goes, Garfield, maybe,and that's funny, and then they
(20:15):
toss his body up the balcony.
Very funny.
Uh Zombie Land had a different,not so much of a slapstick vibe
as Sean of the Dead did.
But that all that to say, thatis this genre.
That is how you mix horrorcomedy, is you you mix in these
dramatic moments, like Talhasseycrying about his child, uh
(20:37):
saying it's a dog, then it endsup being his kid, and then he's
drying his eyes with Monopolymoney.
So, you know, that there's thathumor mixed in with the dramatic
moments.
See, but uh which are you and Iguess you could argue the
intensity of it, but like thatis the genre.
SPEAKER_02 (20:51):
Both of you did extremely well on hitting on the
points that are referenced forthis exact genre, the what
they're calling the Zomcommovie.
Uh, there are a lot of differentuh different complaints and uh
what is the what is the oppositecompliments?
Compliments of the clashing ofthese these emotions,
(21:14):
specifically using Philip andSean, uh Sean's mom and uh her
death and Ed's death.
The fact that they keep forcingthis comedy with it, you both
are are actually hitting on theexact points that some people
absolutely love about this,which I'm one of those.
But there's many viewers whosaid that it distracted from the
(21:38):
movie's progress.
There was no need for it to beso emotional in such a funny
movie, you know.
Uh, but in order to do that, youhave to admit that it's a funny
movie, TJ.
So stop trashing it, just proveyour point.
All you gotta do is debate thepoint.
But you did hit exactly on thepoint.
(21:59):
Uh, there is a viewerrelationship with this movie
that they call it tone clash,and they did not find it
favorable and make it uh theydidn't make it anything that was
more worthwhile.
They didn't think that it addedanything to the movie.
Uh however, I am gonna have togive the point to Eric because
(22:21):
although that is a good, a goodpoint you made, TJ, it's not a
foolproof point because theoverwhelming majority of critics
loved the tone clashing of thismovie.
They thought it was endearingand felt like it actually helped
to break up the monotony of themovie that's trying to just be
(22:41):
funny and allowing it toactually have some heart.
SPEAKER_00 (22:45):
So that's but uh exactly like I said.
SPEAKER_02 (22:48):
I'm not I'm not railing against your point.
I'm just I'm just telling you,you don't have to trash the
movie to earn points on this.
Just debate your point.
Do y'all hear this motherfucker?
SPEAKER_00 (22:58):
How embarrassing, TJ.
SPEAKER_02 (23:00):
Do you hear him?
SPEAKER_04 (23:02):
Here hear who?
Do you hear this guy?
Who?
The host?
SPEAKER_01 (23:07):
They all hear the host.
SPEAKER_00 (23:08):
It sounds like he's talking shit, host.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (23:11):
I'm I'm wondering.
I'm not talking to you guys.
I'm talking to the survivor.
Do you hear this guy?
Isn't that isn't that wild?
What just happened?
SPEAKER_02 (23:22):
Is that is it wild or did I not you did I not make
the point well?
SPEAKER_01 (23:27):
Not not you.
You in the back?
You you look wasn't that shitwild?
Alright, back to the show.
I don't back to the show.
Okay.
So I completely agree with whatyou're saying, Your Honor, and
that was great.
SPEAKER_02 (23:42):
We're going back to TJ for the negative.
The Winchester pub siege is thefilm's climax.
Does it prove that this is justa that Sean led them into a
chaotic mess that that fallsapart?
SPEAKER_01 (23:54):
Well, yeah.
He didn't really have a plan.
I mean, as you could see in thescenes where he's trying to come
up with the plan, last resort,Winchester, of course, because
that's the only place he wantsto go to.
It it's a bad plan because one,well, they didn't know it, but
there's only one exit that'slike, you know.
(24:17):
One's blocked up by zombies,other one's blocked up by
zombies.
If bro wasn't there, theywouldn't know the fucking cellar
was open.
Which I feel like he could havesaid sooner.
Anyways, he's an idiot.
Open windows.
Not to the fall, Sean.
It's because of the otherdumbass.
But again, once that's breached,throwing chairs and shit in
(24:37):
front of it's not gonna help.
That really just like that's notgonna do anything for you.
They turn the power on, whichthere's a whole ass jukebox
there that randomly plays shit.
Why would you not at least tryto unplug that?
No thought in that.
You know, because it was suchlike a back of his mind plan,
like it was last resort.
Hey, let's go to the freakingWinchester.
(24:59):
There's like a million zombiesoutside, so that's automatically
less safe than where they wereat the at her apartment.
They could all just been upthere.
And yeah, everybody dies becauseof it, except for two people by
pure luck and happenstance.
There was no plan.
He just he wanted he wanted todo what he wrote down on the
fridge that morning, or beforethe morning when he passed out
(25:23):
drunk.
He said, visit mom, get my girlback, and then whatever.
So that was his horror.
His plan was to just getbitches.
And I think he said sort my lifeout.
Yeah.
So Eric could really learnsomething from this.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (25:41):
Shots fired.
Okay, alright, alright, alright.
SPEAKER_01 (25:44):
And that's my that's my point.
SPEAKER_02 (25:46):
You're arguing from from the character of Sean,
which is good.
I'm not I'm not uh I'm notdeducting anything from that.
But I want to add a little bitto it.
Because we're talking about thefilm being a masterpiece.
Do you think that this that thisclimax achieved what the
(26:08):
director was going for?
Right?
Because the whole the wholething that he's trying to get
you to, the whole story arc ofSean is from a loser to a hero.
Do you feel like he progressedus to that point by this climax?
SPEAKER_01 (26:24):
Dude was not a hero whatsoever.
He got saved by the military atthe end.
And as I said, everybody diedbecause of his stupid plan, uh,
including his best friend, who'sdead in a shed at the end.
It was literally just chaos fromthe start.
The only like the only way hecould get the zombies away is
he's oh right?
And then the zombies follow him,and what does he do?
(26:45):
Lead him right back to anotherentrance that they weren't at
before.
SPEAKER_04 (26:52):
So like yeah.
Alright.
SPEAKER_02 (26:56):
And so for you, Eric, did the Winchester Pub's
siege being the film's climax,did it prove Sean's genius as a
survival story?
SPEAKER_00 (27:08):
I think that Sean did the best he could, and
although I saw where he wascoming from at the end where he
was kind of beaten up on himselfand he was saying that, you
know, he failed because so manypeople died.
Although that's true, this isone of those situations where
the a lot of it is luck, andthis is not really your fault.
(27:29):
Now, the Winchester, they knew aplace that did end up having a
working gun, was did have somepretty hefty doors.
It took the zombies a goodlittle while to to get back in,
and they would not have gottenin had uh Sean not let them back
to the back door.
They weren't even coming inthrough the broken window.
(27:50):
So I think it's safe to say thatit was fine until all the drama
with David and uh and hisgirlfriend opening the or him
getting pulled out and then heropening the door.
If it wasn't for that, uh Ithink they could have secured
the Winchester.
Um I don't think a bar isnecessarily the worst place to
(28:15):
pick.
Uh I think your biggest concernis gonna be food.
But uh I don't think likebecause it you know it's not
gonna have a lot of it.
Water.
I guess water too.
But you have you have somethingyou could trade, and I I would
argue that at least theWinchester was, if not
defensible, it had supplies tomove on to the next spot.
(28:37):
So I don't think it was an awfulplan.
Um I I I think it was a decentplan, and I think he had lead
the leadership qualities thatwere necessary to keep the group
together because we saw whenDavid tried to take on the role
of leader, the group was reallyquickly spiraling.
And it wasn't until it kind ofseems like David was the the
chink in the armor for uh forthat group.
(29:00):
He kind of caused the collapseof that group.
I wouldn't say that it wasSean's planning that did that.
SPEAKER_02 (29:06):
Well, as uh as Brandon says, they had beer.
SPEAKER_00 (29:10):
They had beer.
SPEAKER_01 (29:11):
Beer's made with water.
First, you laugh at the N-wordcoming from a white man, and
then you say chink, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (29:18):
Oh my goodness.
Um you made it that.
SPEAKER_01 (29:22):
You're right, I didn't make it that.
We're trying to cancel Eric thisseason.
This is cancel Eric.
Apparently, you want to cancelEric, dial 1-800, cancel Eric,
and you will probably callsomething that isn't us.
That's a very long phone number.
SPEAKER_02 (29:37):
I like uh I like that.
I always say that, especially ifthey had Coors Light, they then
they had Mountain Spring water.
They had plenty of water, butit's Britain, so they probably
didn't have coarse light.
SPEAKER_01 (29:48):
Now fucking fermented piss, aka Guinness.
SPEAKER_02 (29:51):
What I will I will say this.
Um I I even tried to lead I eventried to lead your answer there,
TJ.
Um I don't even I don't even get
SPEAKER_01 (30:00):
Rebuttal.
I feel like I should be able torebuttal.
Rebut.
Rebut.
There was no after plan.
Oh, it could get to the nextplace.
Bro didn't have a plan.
He he did exactly what bro saidhe would do, and hey, let's eat
fucking peanuts and sit there.
There was no genius.
There was it was a chaotic mess.
That's what I that's my point.
It didn't lead him to anywherethat I feel like the if the
(30:23):
director wanted it to be to thepoint where he was a hero at the
end, didn't work.
His father figure died, his momdied, everyone fucking died.
Was not a hero.
Only thing he saved is hisgoddamn relationship, I guess.
Unrealistic at that.
No.
SPEAKER_00 (30:40):
He he had Ed at the end.
SPEAKER_01 (30:43):
He was dead.
SPEAKER_00 (30:44):
I just want to point out.
They were playing video gamestogether.
SPEAKER_01 (30:47):
Yeah, Ed was playing with one finger.
He was holding the controllerand poking it.
SPEAKER_00 (30:52):
Look, I'd still play games with you if you were dead.
I don't know why you're beingdead phobic over here.
SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
I know.
I kind of saw I kind of saw therelationship between Eric and TJ
in that scene.
Sorry to say.
SPEAKER_01 (31:02):
I mean like crazy that you would think that he's
not Ed.
The amount of TJ on shit hedoes, dude.
Okay, I'm that bad at games.
That's no, you're not gonna tryto rage bait me, sir.
SPEAKER_02 (31:15):
I am great at games.
Okay.
So TJ, I'll tell you you youstruck directly on some points
regarding survival strategyflaws, right?
Of course, it was a terribleplan to go to the Winchester.
That there's no argument there.
Everybody knows that was theworst plan that they could have
come up with.
SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
I disagree.
SPEAKER_02 (31:35):
They followed through with that plan because
he had no other plan, right?
They get to the Winchester.
What I was trying to coax out ofyou, I was leading you in this
answer here.
I wanted you to uh talk aboutSean's growth through the movie.
Uh yeah, he when he got to theWinchester, the fact is that he
(31:57):
did start making tougher calls,right?
But it was it was the flaw andthe chaos of the filmmaker.
I mean, he took 20 minutes toprogress the story in the
Winchester, right?
You get to the Winchester, andthat's the final 20 minutes of a
99-minute movie.
So your your chaotic mess isabsolutely relevant in that
(32:21):
argument.
Uh, he it felt like he kind ofstruggled to move the story
along from that point.
Now, Sean did grow.
Yeah, that was the the point ofthe story.
He did grow into being somewhatof a leader, uh, even to the
point where he hands Ed the gunat the end, or sorry, the the
rifle at the end and says, uh,you know, here, take this.
(32:42):
He's like, You don't want it?
Nah, I can't hit anything withit.
I'm absolute rubbish.
Right?
It's like it still being funny,but making tougher calls that,
hey, let's make sense, let'sreally make choices that make
sense out of it.
SPEAKER_00 (32:56):
Putting ego aside.
SPEAKER_02 (32:58):
But uh, you didn't have to you didn't have to argue
the point, the positive of thisand still get the uh and still
get the win by pointing out thepacing issues that the director
had with this, and that was kindof the the thing I was trying to
coax you toward.
We're talking about thefilmmaking and that this is a
(33:20):
masterpiece, not necessarily thesurvival strategy flaws,
although there were many, and Ithank you for bringing those up.
And I think uh you are gonna getthat point because you actually
stayed heavy on that aspectrather than uh missing the other
aspect.
SPEAKER_01 (33:39):
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Podcast, it's what we do.
Hey guys, if you haven'tlistened to Will You Survey the
Podcast before, we talk aboutmovies in a survival-related
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We watch all types of horrormovies.
We even watched Castaway.
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SPEAKER_00 (34:48):
Who hosts next episode?
SPEAKER_02 (34:50):
So I do want to tell you, Eric, you you hit on one
main point of Sean, which Iappreciate, but TJ hit on two
separate uh points.
I was trying to to lead himthere because he's going really
hard on the character instead ofon the film.
So to make sure that this is notgonna be a tie, I'm only gonna
(35:11):
do the first three.
So you guys already have thesequestions.
So I'm only gonna do the firstthree.
SPEAKER_01 (35:16):
I think it'd be funny if it was a fucking tie at
the end, but you know.
SPEAKER_02 (35:19):
Well, do you want to do four?
We can do all four.
TJ went last.
So, Eric, you'll go first on thelightning round.
SPEAKER_04 (35:24):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (35:25):
This is quick provocations just to keep things
spicy.
You ready?
SPEAKER_00 (35:29):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (35:30):
Best moment in Sean of the Dead.
SPEAKER_00 (35:32):
Oh, fudge.
Oh, best moment in Sean of theDead when they're throwing the
records at the zombies andthey're picking which records
they're gonna throw and whichones they're not.
Very funny.
SPEAKER_04 (35:41):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (35:42):
Alright.
TJ, best moment.
Uh or you could say overrated.
The most overrated moment.
SPEAKER_01 (35:50):
Uh, I would think that the most overrated moment
would probably be when uh Queenis playing over the radio.
unknown (35:59):
Oh!
SPEAKER_01 (35:59):
Uh yeah, you would think that.
And they're like doing zero likea hundred percent attack, zero
percent damage on the bar owner.
SPEAKER_02 (36:08):
Um yeah, yeah, that was funny.
All right, next, Sean's dumbestmove.
Uh TJ, you're gonna you're gonnaattack it.
Sean's dumbest move.
SPEAKER_01 (36:20):
The main move.
Taking everybody to the goddamnpub.
Bro, could have done there'slike a million places.
Like the UK isn't like huge, butthere's a lot of places there
that are a hundred percentbetter.
Uh dumb no, you know what?
Dumbest move not going with thegroup of people like the uh was
it his ex-girlfriend orsomething?
(36:42):
I didn't really get the highschool buddy.
High school buddy.
Yeah, should have gone with her.
Yeah, dumbest move.
SPEAKER_04 (36:48):
They look way more prepared, even though their
group looked exactly the same.
Okay.
Eric Sean's dumbest move.
His dumbest or his best?
Well, defend it.
Oh you want to defend that move?
Not going with um Yvonne.
SPEAKER_00 (37:07):
Not going with Yvonne.
I think uh to defend this, Iwould say that um you can't have
you can't mix certain groups.
You know, you know how you havecertain friend groups, and you
can't always mix those friendgroups together because
sometimes you know someone fitsa certain personality, and you
(37:29):
can't have too many of thatpersonality in a group where the
group kind of implodes onitself.
So you can't double the and thenyou say don't mix.
SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
What's going on today, Eric?
SPEAKER_00 (37:41):
We need to segregate our friendships again because if
Wow.
If you add too many of the samepersonality to a friend group,
it implodes.
SPEAKER_02 (37:50):
Okay.
Last two, you guys can pickwhich side you want to take, and
you can be as real as you wantwith your own feelings.
So, Ed, loyal friend or deadweight, TJ.
Go.
SPEAKER_01 (38:02):
Uh, dead weight disguised as comic relief.
Okay.
He's uh Eric.
He's an idiot.
He's he's he's an idiot.
He doesn't think about hisfriends.
Uh yeah, he he crashed thefucking car, dumbass.
Guess we gotta take the Jag,idiot.
SPEAKER_00 (38:19):
I would say smart.
Um, first of all, crashing theshitty car so you could drive
the Jaguar.
Gold move.
That that's that's a solid move.
I it's a zombie apocalypse.
I agree with that.
That is calculated and planned,that's not stupid.
He knew what he was doing.
Um but I would say to answer thequestion, I think two things can
(38:40):
be true at once.
Although Ed was dead weight in asense, because he kind of did
just let his life be kind oflackadaisical, but at the same
time, he was that comic relief,and it did give it he was such a
loyal friend.
So although he was he was a bitof a dead weight and kind of
(39:00):
didn't help in the moretraditional sense, he was very
he was a very good friend toSean in a sense that like when
Sean got broken up with,although it was a little bit
Ed's fault, uh Ed was the one tobe there for Sean and dance with
him and play electro music attwo in the morning, four in the
(39:20):
morning.
Four in the morning, that wasEd.
So Ed's all the vibes, it's aparasite.
So I think two things could betrue at once, but he's the vibe.
SPEAKER_02 (39:29):
Okay.
And last but not least, wouldyou survive in Sean's shoes?
SPEAKER_01 (39:34):
Yeah, um, they're slower than walkers in the
walking dead.
Um so probably, yeah.
You literally just walk and theycan't get you.
The the the biggest way thatthese type of zombies can get
you is like they kind of sneakaround because they're so slow.
Um so just go up into somewherehigh like a fucking watchtower,
(40:00):
you know, type beat.
And you can't get snuck up on.
SPEAKER_02 (40:04):
Sorry to tell you.
But our uh one of oursubscribers, Sam, commented and
said, TJ, shut your mouth.
You'll be Ed locked up in theshed by Eric.
SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
Eric wishes he could try to lock me in his shed.
SPEAKER_02 (40:19):
And she wasn't here when we said this before.
That that makes it comical.
SPEAKER_01 (40:24):
Eric is literally four foot one.
SPEAKER_02 (40:26):
Eric, would you survive in Sean's shoes?
SPEAKER_00 (40:30):
Absolutely.
Absolutely, I would survive inSean's shoes.
These zombies are not that bad.
I think there are way worsezombies.
And I think that uh as long asyou don't get flanked, and as
long as you just keep your headon a swivel, I think you easily
(40:50):
survive this.
I mean, Sean literally ranthrough a horde of them
untouched, so I'll take my odds.
SPEAKER_04 (40:57):
Okay.
Fair enough.
Alright.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have awinner.
SPEAKER_00 (41:05):
Is it the one who didn't know the main character's
name?
SPEAKER_02 (41:07):
Our No.
Okay, okay.
Our winner after a tie and goingthrough the lightning round is
well, it's it was two to twogoing into this, and then the
lightning round is three to onein favor of tune in next time to
find out.
SPEAKER_01 (41:26):
No, I'm you know what I literally would do that.
Like, you don't understand?
I would do that.
I would just think that'll waittill next episode.
Yeah, just see who's introducingthe next episode.
SPEAKER_02 (41:46):
So the winner is TJ.
SPEAKER_01 (41:48):
Yes, dude.
And I even have an outro linefor this.
SPEAKER_00 (41:53):
He literally planned to win.
What is it?
SPEAKER_01 (41:55):
Sean of the Dead might have shambled into cult
status, but under the laughs andedits, it's just a lazy,
overhyped zombie flick thatlucked into timing, not
timelessness.
And with that being said, Iabsolutely love this movie.
And if you ever make me dosomething like this again, I
will stab Eric.
Well, thank you for the winner'sspeech there.
SPEAKER_02 (42:17):
I will say uh that's a wrap on Shauna the Debate.
We finished that out.
SPEAKER_00 (42:25):
I think this is the last debate.
SPEAKER_02 (42:29):
Eric argu argued for the brilliance of the movie.
SPEAKER_01 (42:32):
We'll bring this back to the show.
SPEAKER_02 (42:33):
TJ tried to tear it down.
But you all tell us who made thestronger case.
And uh make sure you give us arating on Spotify.
I don't remember if ApplePodcasts lets you rate.
I don't use an Apple.
Sorry.
Disgusting.
I don't know these things.
SPEAKER_01 (42:54):
Just like British people.
Apple, gross.
Y'all are some followers.
SPEAKER_02 (42:58):
I don't but but I will say, all of you who use
your apples, uh, I ain't judgingbecause I know that you're the
majority of our listeners.
SPEAKER_01 (43:07):
So I think Oh yeah, no, I love Apple.
Apple's fun.
Steve Jobs, praise him.
Now, with all of that, TJ, youwant to give them our socials?
You can check us out on all ofthe major streaming platforms
for audio.
Uh you can check us out onTikTok.
You can check us out on YouTube.
(43:28):
We are posting there now.
You can check us out onInstagram, Twitter, at the boys,
I think.
Um I don't do this enough.
Y'all do this more.
SPEAKER_00 (43:41):
At the boys WIS at the boys.
SPEAKER_01 (43:43):
At WYS, I think.
At WYS.
At WIS on Twitter.
We don't I don't do we do stuffon Twitter?
I don't follow our Twitter.
I should follow our Twitter.
SPEAKER_02 (43:51):
Um little by little.
It's uh primarily become a umlike a behind the scenes.
SPEAKER_01 (43:58):
Give me give me the login to that.
I'm gonna start posting randomtweets.
SPEAKER_02 (44:03):
I just I just I just randomly send stuff out.
Um one of the one of the mostcommon things that I'll do is
when there are real um naturedisasters, uh natural disasters
going on, I'll tweet things umregarding those at that at that
moment when I find out.
(44:24):
But that's um yeah, X is X isone of the fewer used of the
socials.
SPEAKER_01 (44:30):
Yeah, and if you guys would be so kind to you
know rate us and shit, let usmake money off this, and we'll
send money to people indisasters.
We might even fly down and dosomething.
Just saying that'd be prettyfucking dope.
Um, because we're great peoplehere, uh, other than Eric
Heather.
(44:50):
I think we are clarified, he'sracist.
SPEAKER_00 (44:52):
Um what the fuck?
Only on days that end in dead.
SPEAKER_01 (44:56):
You can email us.
That'd be great.
Uh I'm kidding.
I'm not racist.
I want to make that very clear.
The boys.
SPEAKER_02 (45:03):
We love your emails.
SPEAKER_01 (45:05):
Is it the boys at will you survive the podcast.com
for our email?
That is it.
Uh, you can email us and it'llbe great.
Um, yeah.
Um, oh, give me a thousanddollars and I'll get your name
tattooed on me.
I have been saying this,nobody's given me a thousand
dollars yet.
That's crazy.
Yeah, like come on.
It's such a good deal.
(45:26):
You give me money, I'm I get atattoo.
SPEAKER_04 (45:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (45:30):
I'm shocked.
No, wait, hang on.
We never established this.
Does does the thousand dollarsuh cover the cost of the tattoo,
or is it a thousand plus thecost of the tattoo?
SPEAKER_01 (45:42):
It's a thousand dollars, and then I'll use a
chunk of the thousand for thetattoo.
Okay.
So really, like, you know, nine,maybe eight hundred.
That would get the J.
My sister came into my fuckinglive.
Stop pulling Eric.
Justice for Eric.
(46:03):
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (46:06):
I will say thank you all for tuning in.
We appreciate all of your time.
We hope you'll come back andlisten to us again.
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Download all of our episodes.
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SPEAKER_01 (46:38):
Unless you are Jonathan of the dead.
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