Will You Survive "Avatar": Exploring Connection, Nature, and Human Greed

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Gather around, survivors, as we journey to the luminescent world of Pandora in James Cameron's groundbreaking sci-fi epic, Avatar. Our hosts dive into a passionate debate about whether this visually stunning film deserves its status as the highest-grossing movie ever or if it's simply "Pocahontas in space" with a fresh coat of CGI paint.

The conversation takes fascinating turns as we explore how Jake Sully's Earth-learned survival instincts become dangerously "bass-ackwards" on an alien world. We're captivated by the scene where Neytiri shows Jake that extinguishing his fire actually reveals Pandora's natural bioluminescence—a perfect metaphor for the film's themes of letting go of old ways to truly see a new world. This clever reversal of traditional survival knowledge demonstrates why Avatar's worldbuilding remains unmatched even years after its release.

Beyond the stunning visuals, we unpack the Na'vi's deep connection with their environment through neural links and hunting rituals, drawing parallels to indigenous Earth cultures and their respectful relationship with nature. The debate heats up around whether the film's familiar "colonizer versus native" narrative detracts from its achievements or makes it more accessible to global audiences. Meanwhile, technical discussions about CGI innovations, the uncanny valley, and how Avatar revolutionized motion capture demonstrate why this film changed cinema forever.

Whether you're Team "Groundbreaking Masterpiece" or Team "Derivative Storytelling," our lively discussion offers fresh perspectives on this cultural phenomenon that continues to expand with ambitious sequels. Join us next time as we switch gears completely to explore The Conjuring 3—from Pandora's mystical connection to nature to supernatural horror here on Earth.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hello, hello, survivors, and welcome back to
another episode of Will youSurvive.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
The Podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
And today we've got something very special.
It's everybody's favorite movieexcept for Alex.
It is Avatar, not the LastAirbender, it's the one with the
blue people, but before we getinto that I want to introduce my
two co-hosts.
We've got alex the bald one,that's me, and we've got eric,

(00:53):
better watch next words hedoesn't get a nickname oh, I
thought I thought there was onecoming for sure.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
But yeah, hi, I'm eric, hi, he's the twink uh, I
knew it, I knew that I.
That was the exact one I waswaiting for too.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
And I'm rolling a d12 .

Speaker 3 (01:10):
For apology, points no because you did the thing, I
did the thing.
I guess I did the thing, I didthe thing, you did the thing
Today, I am not basing pointsoff of what they do or what they
say.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
I am basing points off of what the dice say.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
So it's really anybody's game here.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
It's not biased whatsoever.
It's a roll of the coin.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
No, it's definitely my game because I put all my
skill points into luck.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
So, I doubt you went that build.
Most people don't.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh yeah, and clearly you put no points into charisma.
But before we get into themovie, Alex, would you like to
give the synopsis of the moviethat we watched?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Sure, the real one.
What do you mean?
The real one?
I feel like you're going tomake some shit up.
What the hell do you mean?
Make some shit up?
Read the synopsis to Avatar byJames Cameron.
So, not another movie.
So Pocahontas no.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
No, you know what I?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
changed my mind, this was a bad idea.
I changed my mind about thedice.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
You know what that's a minus.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Here it is no roll a D8.
When his brother is killed in arobbery, paraplegic Marine Jake
Sully decides to take his placein a mission on the distant
world of Pand yeah that soundslike Pocahontas.
There he learns of greedycorporate figurehead Parker
Selfridge's intentions ofdriving off the native humanoid
Na'vi in order to mine for theprecious materials scattered
throughout their rich woodlandIn exchange for the spinal

(02:39):
surgery that will fix his leg.
Jake gathers knowledge of theindigenous race and their
culture where the cooperatingmilitary unit spearheaded by
gung-ho colonel quaritch, whilesimultaneously attempting to
infiltrate the navi people withthe use of an avatar identity.
While jake begins to bond withthe native tribe and quickly
falls in love with the beautifulalien netiri, the relentless

(02:59):
colonel moves forward with hisruthless extermination tactics,
forcing the soldier to take astand and fight back in an epic
battle for the fate of Pandora.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Sounds like a great movie to me.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Sounds exactly like Pocahontas.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Wow, I didn't know.
Pocahontas had space travel.
You know what's crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Okay, Pocahontas meets Star Trek.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Okay, not really.
Maybe like Pocahontas meetsHelldivers.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's crazy.
I actually feel like that's apretty decent comparison, if I'm
being honest, dude I mean otherthan the space avatar game, but
the perspective from a human,and it's like hell divers that
would be pretty sick.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Wait, it's just a dlc for hell divers.
Yeah, you just, you justimagine you're in.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
You're in the freaking like forest and you see
your fucking that'd be prettysick, your friend.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
that'd be a really cool game it gets impaled.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
You see how big those arrows were.
It was kind of ridiculous.
You see how big they were.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, yeah, they were tall.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Do you guys know how big Sigourney Weaver is?

Speaker 1 (03:52):
That's probably not the right word Tall, she's six
foot.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, because I told her that Six feet tall, I had no
idea I would.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, no, I've never seen her in real life, Okay but
to quote TJ, hear me out.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Pocahontas and Avatar .
They share a central conflictprotagonist's journey, romance
as a bridge, nature's role,conflict, revolution.
Visual spectacle.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
What visual spectacle , in what way is Pocahontas a
similar visual spectacle toAvatar?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
It was the new world on unseen, uncharted territory.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
So literally any movie with any new world is just
pocahontas.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
No all of the rest.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
You can't ignore everything else no, but let's
break it down one by one, likethat's break it down one by one.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Central conflict both stories revolve around a clash
of cultures, with one grouprepresenting indigenous people
living in harmony with natureand the other representing an
external resource-hungry force.
In Pocahontas, this is thenative Powhatan people and
English settlers.
In Avatar, it's the Na'vi ofPandora and human colonizers.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
That is pretty much the only similarity that I'll
give.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
That shit fucking happened.
So it's not just Pocahontas,it's real life, that's true.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
That is just a central theme of humanity.
This is just real life.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
If we found a fucking planet with something we wanted
on it we're going to do thisshit.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
This is how it happens.
That one part.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
That would be like any time that someone gets
conquered.
They're like well, this isreally just America and the
Native Americans.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
That one part, then the next thing the protagonist's
journey.
A key character crosses thecultural divide John Smith and
Pocahontas, jake Sully andAvatar, both initially aligned
with the invading force but arechanged throughout their
interactions with the indigenousgroup.
Exactly the same Romance as abridge Love forms a bridge

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between cultures.
Pocahontas and john smith fallin love with the disney movie,
while jake sullian nathiridevelop a deep bond in avatar.
This relationship serves as afocal point for the
protagonist's transformation,nature's role.
Both narratives emphasize aspiritual connection with nature
.
The powhatan people believe thebeliefs, and the navi's
connection to iwa underscore theimportance of ecological
balance and respect for thenatural world.
Which is perfectly fine,because they're both supposed to
be a native type tribe.

(06:11):
Then you have the conflictresolution.
In both stories, the indigenouspeople face resistance from the
invaders through the outcome,though the outcomes differ.
Pocahontas emphasizeshistorical and cultural lessons,
while Avatar opts for avictorious battle.
The underlying themes ofresistance and understanding are
similar.
And then, finally, is thevisual spectacle, while the
stories are centuries apart insetting, both use their medium

(06:33):
to immerse audience in beauty ofuntouched landscapes and the
wonder of the natural world okay, so so does fucking Lord of the
Rings, and like that's what I'msaying, that there's certain,
there's certain similaritiesthat I'll give you for sure.
You don't take all of thosethings and separate them one by
one.
Those are all of thesimilarities.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I'll give you the central core of it.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
It's a rip off of this is just a story.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Those are common themes in movies.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
And then Avatar and Dances with Wolves have
virtually all the same I'venever seen.
Dances with Wolves havevirtually all the same I've
never seen.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Dances with Wolves.
Okay, the Last Samurai also, soyou're on my side then no, no,
we're saying that it's not afucking ripoff, it's not just
these two movies.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
It's a movie.
This is literally just movies.
If you do this, you're doingwhat people do with music where
they're like oh, that song's notoriginal.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's literally just this song from 1976.
There's no original music,there's no original stories.
It can all be boiled down togood guy.
Good guy in trouble.
Good guy beats bad guy.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
John Wick was pretty original.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Good guy lives happily ever after the end Okay,
that's literally every fuckingstory.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
There is no John Wick .
There is no other John Wick.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Guy goes on a murderous rampage.
There's so many movies likethat.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
A revenge story, it's a revenge story.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's literally a revenge story.
You got to get more than justrevenge.
That's the Last of Us 2.
Is it Kill Bill?

Speaker 3 (07:50):
the revenge story.
That's the Last of Us 2.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Kill Bill.
Kill Bill is close.
The Last of Us 2.
No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
You haven't and what?
And maddie's a lot.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
No, I'm kidding I'm kidding, maddie, I'm kidding.
Outside sources are notrelevant it's you're bringing in
the chat it's a.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
It's a rough.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I was bringing in the chat before we started
recording.
Don't go there, because now Iwill bring in the chat.
And yeah, lance st claire, okay, so he says, to be fair, john
Wick and Oldboy, kind of similar.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Okay, it's just movies.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
But we'll say Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Movies, do that yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
What, what similarities.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Similarities about Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
What's the other movie?

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Let me look it up.
Someone did a comparison ofLord of the Rings, where they
were literally the exact samemovie.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
It might have been harry potter.
Is that a movie?
No, it wasn't harry potter.
Harry potter and star warsharry potter is star wars with
weak lightsabers in what way isharry potter star wars?

Speaker 3 (08:49):
no, I see that.
No, no, that there aresimulators.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Harry potter is an orphan child who is contacted by
a bearded wizard who startsshowing him the ways.
Uh takes him to meet anotherwizard who shows him the ways of
wizardry and he, he is the hopeof the world, if you will.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
That's just the chosen one.
I get that, lance.
In every movie.
There's a chosen one.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
No, no, no, but this one was like there's a long
breakdown.
That a guy did I think it was acomedian who just laid down
every single similarity.
He just said Harry Potter isstar wars with crappy
lightsabers it.
It kind of is yeah, crappylightsabers I saw that too but
that, so yeah because the wandsare not nearly as fascinating as

(09:34):
the lightsabers well, I thinkit's just different audiences.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
You know different strokes for different folks.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I think that's what it is.
Lightsabers are just fuckingswords that are hot well,
exactly.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Some people are going to think that the wands are
cooler than lightsabers becauseof the versatility wizards
that's it really is, I agree.
I do agree with that.
But that's what I'm saying,that to judge this movie so
harshly as if every other movieever doesn't also do that, is
kind of silly no, this one'sworse it's you know, what makes
this one worse?
What what?

Speaker 2 (10:05):
what makes this one that you?
Decided you hated it before youeven watched it what makes this
one worse is that every singlefucking person on the planet
virtually had to go run out tosee pocahontas in space what
you're.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
What is this argument ?
What?
And it's two hours and 42minutes long it's two hour 42
minutes of beautifulcinematography, literally film
that holds up.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
This is a 2009 movie, can you?

Speaker 3 (10:31):
are you I?
Felt like I was in a fuckingvideo game yeah, okay, I will
say there were a lot of scenesthat were very video game.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
It was three days long guys what?
Three days long the movie feltlike three days long.
I started it at like 11 o'clocklast night.
That shit was rough.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I told you.
I told you it's a long movie.
That's why I walked out.
You knew it was a long movie.
I walked out and it was like1130 and I was like oh, you just
started, I had to.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I had to get it done.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, that's why I suggested we start watching it
yesterday.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
The sequel was four score in seven years it was
longer than the first, okay, funfact If you look up, what is it
?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Zoe Saldana.
If you look up her, if you lookher up on Google, it says like
movies and it says Avatar.
And then it says Avatar 5,avatar 3, and Avatar 4.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, they're planned .
The next one's Fire and Ash.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Now that I don't agree with Huh, I don't agree
with a 5.
We'll see, maybe they're allmasterpieces.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I mean like fucking Star Wars 8 fucking, but that's
what I was like.
Yeah, but Star Wars Come on.
I am a huge Star Wars fan.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm a huge star wars fan, but seven, eight and nine
blue.
Well, not seven, eight and nineblue.
And there's even people whodon't even like one, two and
three.
There are a lot of people whodon't like it, you know they're
the purists, though they're theones who were.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
They're older than me and it was like four, five and
six why'd you have to mess with?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
the prequels were better than the fucking old
pieces of shit that came out.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Okay, that is fucking lame, that is lame.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Nah, bro, that is absolutely lame.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
You are all by yourself on that.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Hang on question.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
question From the originals, fucking none A good
lightsaber battle from theoriginals From the originals
Good lightsaber fight.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
No, I think Empire Strikes Back.
Had a pretty good one with Lukeand Darth Barely.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
No, that was a pretty good one.
And then the one with freakingObi-Wan and Darth Vader Just two
old niggas swinging bats,that's it.
They were slow as fuck too.
And then one of them turns intoclothes.
That's so ass.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, but come on, that was storyline.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
I give a little bit of grace for the time period
that that was filmed.
I get the time period that thatwas filmed.
I get it.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
It's more exciting when it's fast and you have the,
what, the young guy who playedanakin, what was his name?
Um, I don't remember the, thelittle boy, but uh, no, no, no,
christiansen him.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
That guy was a fucking like.
Even all the people on set saidlike.
This guy fucking knew what hewas doing before he got to set.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Good battle, luke versus vader and jedi man.
Lance calls him mannequinskywalker.
Uh, and lance also calls youout.
He said you said a goodlightsaber battle.
You didn't say great, so nameme a good lightsaber battle.
In the originals those weregood I, I think there's.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
I think there's, like I, I, I could see what tj's
saying, but I don't know.
I like no other star wars likeokay, but phil has topped

Speaker 1 (13:25):
hear me out the battle on muslim.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Hear me out you gotta hear me out.
All of those battles in theprequels make sense that they
were fucking epic.
They were all jedi masters.
There were no jedi masters infour, five and six.
Luke was a fucking trainee.
Obi-wan was at the end of hislife.
He knew that he was going to beable to come back and talk to
luke from beyond the the, thathe was going to be able to come
back and talk to Luke frombeyond the grave.
He was going to be able toembody the force and talk to him

(13:50):
.
So he let himself go.
That's why he warned Vader, youcan strike me down, but I'll
become more powerful than youhave ever imagined.
And so there were no epiclightsaber battles.
Yoda was too old, he wasn'tgoing to fight anybody.
But all of those Jedi masterswhen they got fucking Mace Windu
, yoda of course.
Then even the Sith Lords werebadass Darth Maul, qui-gon Jinn

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and Obi-Wan when he was young.
It all made sense that theywere badasses back then and
nobody could really compete withDarth Vader until Luke
Skywalker.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I think that's a good argument.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Darth Vader, let him win, he did.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Okay, hang on, hang on.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Ahoska wasn't old enough to be the goat yet either
.
Thank you, lance, that's true.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
I'm not the host, but this is not a Star Wars episode
.
Bless you.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
True.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, true Also.
Nobody kisses their sister inthis movie, Makes it far better.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Fair, fair, that's fair.
I mean, I will say, you know,Did she just say Eric's weird?

Speaker 1 (14:50):
about it, eric's weird about it.
I don't fucking know what she'ssaying.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
What do you guys think?

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Bring up some survival points Heights.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
That was pretty gnarly.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
I can't do it the idea of being able to connect
with an animal in that way whereyou literally just think what
you want it to do and it does.
That seems fascinating andreally cool to me.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
But the heights?
I don't think I could do that.
So there's something that whenyou ride horses, they tell you
all of your emotions.
You have to keep all of youremotions in check.
If you're a fearful person, ifyou're afraid of the horse, it's
going to be afraid of you.
So they took a lot of.
They took a lot of that.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
That uh aspect right I think that's similar with a
lot of animals like I'm notsaying do this, but dogs like
skunks, possums things like that.
If you're showing off, you knowfear, uh that energy, they'll
respond if you're calm andyou're not being a threat, then
those animals don't want tofight you now once again.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I will say this because I think it's the coolest
depiction of any indigenouspeople, which I do think is the
closest to reality of ourindigenous people here.
That connection with everyanimal and paying respect to
their kill was so epically welldone.
I mean, I loved that scene whenhe shot it with the arrow.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
The deer-like thing.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, and he runs up to it and he explains his
feelings as he does it.
It's like, yeah, you know you,you're dying, but you're going
to become part of everyone else.
You know, in essence, of muchmore eloquent way of saying yeah
, dude, we're going to cook andeat you, we're going to make you
part of us.
Thank you for your sacrifice.
It's a harsh reality, you know,but it's reality.

(16:40):
We, we kill and we eat, but atleast showing respect for your
prey is.
I think it's pretty cool.
I think it's very uh.
What do you call it?
What do you call it?
I want to say it's veryhigh-minded.
You realize that you're at thetop of the food chain and you
give proper respect to thosebeneath you makes you different
than any other predator on theplanet yeah, I do respect that.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
I like that um, a lot of.
I don't know about a lot, but Iknow there was native tribes
that it was very particular thatyou had to use everything on
the animal Like nothing would goto waste.
Yeah, and I think that's reallycool, especially in a society
where we are very wasteful.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's cool to see some people still hold on to that.
Absolutely Even you know evenmovie depictions.
It's cool to know that you, youknow that at least existed at
one point.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Do you think it's weird that, like when they fuck,
they attach their ponytails,type shit, but they also do that
with all the animals yeah, ohyeah, that would be.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Oh no, that's bad.
I'll throw it out in order toride my horse, I gotta stick my
my yeah, that's literally what Iwas thinking.
I was like oh no, thecomparison's not good.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Lance St Clair just said that exact thing.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
When.
Sigourney Weaver's character islike stop looking at that,
you'll go blind.
That was good, but do they havewings, though?
I imagine they got wings andsuch because they got the cloths
?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Oh, don't think so.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
I don't know he has kids in the next one.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Spoiler they, they were wearing so little.
Yeah, all of them.
You think you?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
think it would.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Maybe it's in like a sheath which I will say this in
a sheath yeah, I was that I wasa very curious kid and I used to
look at national geographic allthe time.
Indigenous women don't wear awhole lot either.
I mean they do now, but when wewould take pictures of them in
old and you could see them inthe publications, I mean that
was legit man.
They were oftentimesbare-breasted, just with cloth

(18:40):
around their waist.
It was those African women.
Dude Bazongas, damn, and yourun with those.
How do you not knock yourselfout?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
that's getting cut um yeah, no, I had another couple
of things.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, survival in regards to uh, I really loved
the first scene.
I thought she put it in such afair way as he was gonna die
because he was a baby.
He was ignorant like a baby.
He was making noise.
He, you know, lit fire, right,he's afraid of the dark, so

(19:20):
everything, everything wascounterintuitive to him, right,
all of the knowledge that he hadof how to survive was
completely bass-ackwards on thisplanet and he was what do you
call it?
I would say stifling his ownabilities by lighting a fire
right.
As soon as she put it out, yousaw everything around him light

(19:41):
up and it was so much brighterand so much further away.
You could see so much better.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Fire kind of of.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
It's like light pollution right exactly they
can't see you like real far andthat was that was like so well
done.
And even in some of the otherstuff we've, we've covered, like
remember, um, the gray, it wasa lot like that.
You would light, you wouldlight a fire.
And I'm not saying in in thegray it was a bad idea, but you
light a fire and you can onlysee to the edge of the light of
the fire.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, the fire actually blinds you more than it
helps you see everything elsedark, and what I think of is if
you're worried about beinghunted, you're just holding up a
flare for them to see where youare but that.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
But I mean it's dual in in the wild here, not in
pandora.
In the wild here it is vastlydifferent, because fire does
scare animals it's a naturaldeterrent to most things you put
up a wall of fire as yourperimeter, or even stakes.
If they had enough wood insomething like the gray um, you

(20:36):
put enough stakes of wood onfire all around you.
They're not going to come nearyou.
They're going to know what thatis.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
You know they normally run from fire we talked
about that where it would bereally unrealistic for them to
go investigate a plane crashexactly.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, very, but in this it was more uh, showing us
that all of his naturalinstincts were completely
bass-ackwards.
And when she said that it madeuh, it helped me connect with
the character and understandexactly what he was going
through.
He, he was a baby, right, Imean the way she said it was so
perfect.
He was completely ignorant ofthis world.
He was, he had no trainingcompared to the doctor or the

(21:12):
other, um, the other scientist.
Uh and I did jumping ahead justa little bit when they pulled
him into the group and they,they talked to him and said uh,
you're.
I think they said your head isfull.
Your head is full.
There's nothing you can learn,your head is full.
Because they were assuming mycup's empty, right, they were
assuming he was like the otherscientists which told me that
they came there with the intentof, like I'm not able to learn

(21:35):
anything, I'm going to teach youeverything.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right, which is I think it's.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Which is why they think they shut down grace's
school.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yep, and so I did a little more than shut it down.
I just went through sorry,capping kids, that's fucked was
that the?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
was that the military ?
Yeah, they just the militarydid that she, she.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
She brought it up like he asked.
He's like what happened at theschool?
She said that nateri's sisterand a bunch of other like
younger you know, navi orwhatever, uh blew up a fucking
truck or something.
So they just like hunted themdown and they thought they would
be safe at the school.
So they just, and they stilljust gunned her down and the
rest of them damn so that's whythey threw the.

(22:15):
You know that's why they didn'tfuck with them.
Originally they were.
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
They were down with it well, I also was a little
interested in how.
What was the progression of theviolence, and I think I might
be interpreting this my own way.
I think we understood at theend that there were several
different clans all over theplace, because I couldn't
understand how this group was,you know, quote unquote peaceful

(22:39):
, but when the first tractor orthe first dozer equipment was
coming in and Jake was seeing itfor the first time, it had
arrows in the tires andeverything.
So I was like, well, are weattacking them or are we not
Right?
But then I saw when all ofthese other clans came and
joined in.
I'm like, oh, maybe, maybe it'sother clans who were fucking
with them.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
I couldn't, I don't have an answer to that.
That, I thought, was the, thetribe.
I thought that was.
I was imagining it more likethere was.
There was active conflict butthere wasn't a war well, yeah
it's.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
It's more like you know they're encroaching in like
on their area, type shit.
So they're just like fuck off,or you know.
You've seen how lethallyfucking sharp they were with
their bows, dude, if they wantedto hit them, I saw.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
I saw.
The part that really impressedme was when they put it through
the glass oh, yeah, yeah, theywere pegging guys through the
glass.
I was like whoa yeah.
So I mean yeah, you're right ifthey wanted to hit him, they
would have hit him what's funnyis the what's what's?

Speaker 1 (23:38):
dude with the scar on his face, whatever his name is
um, uh, colonel, colonel, yeahyeah, captain, cunt uh so that
motherfucker made it a point tobring up like right at the start
, like hey, they got bows andshit and they're laced with
poison and it'll kill you, butlike the arrow is bigger than a
dude.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Like so like it doesn't matter if they're
poisoned or not, it's gonnapunch your fucking lungs out of
your chest once it hits you.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
I thought that was funny.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Because that assumes that, because the only way that
that would really matter is ifthey hit you in a limb.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, if they nicked you or something.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
So it's Colonel Miles Corich.
He sucked yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Oh, so what I was going to say is with, like the
conflict, you'll see if, becausewe're going to watch the second
movie, eric, would you pick thesecond movie?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
No, I'm kind of on my own series.
But oh, what Conjuring?
I know, yeah, but I know thatAlex is going to pick the second
one either.
Okay, so I'll keep this as myseries then.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
I will pick the second one.
You'll see in the second oneother reasons why they're just
very untrusting of the humans,because they're just kind of
assholes.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, I'm not going to lie they do not care about.
I'm not going to lie.
I don't think it's a badrepresentation of humans as a
whole.
I do think the movie really putthis kind of emphasis on like
it really did seem like Americaand the native Indians.
They were all American.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I don't think there was one like British or fucking.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah, no, well, okay, that was actually another thing
I thought of.
All of them were American.
At least they all had unitedstates accents.
So is america just the onlycountry that's left on earth, or
the only country that?

Speaker 1 (25:16):
went to pandora or like that it's.
They're all similar accents,like.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
They're so like no, I don't think it would ever be
like that, but maybe, I don'tknow, like a one world
government type thing, and thenironically, James Cameron had
Sam Worthington speak in anAmerican accent.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
He's Aussie.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
No, he's British.
No, he's Aussie.
He was born in England.
He was born in the UK.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Is he I could have?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
swore.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
He said he was Aussie .

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Some make made up, fucking whatever.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
I mean, they're basically the same, but oh, they
moved toia when he was sixmonths old.
Okay, yeah, so and um, and heeven said that learning the navi
uh language was was uh easierthan speaking in an american
accent you know margot robbiehas talked about that.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Have you heard her talk about that?
No she says that aussies keeptheir tongue.
I, I believe I, if I remembercorrectly, she said aussies uh
have, like they have less roomin their wow fuck, I'm really I
think I'm messing it up.
It's either that they have lessroom in their mouths or more
room in their mouths and sospeaking and they keep their
tongues towards the back.

(26:20):
So, speaking in an americanaccent, there she was like it's
just physically very differentand like just how we use our
mouths for language and it'sjust a lot harder to and that's
why I can do an australianaccent so I can do is r and r r
and r

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I gotta give you I will say some some accolades
this movie deserves.
In cgi was uh, samworthington's legs work
perfectly fine and uh, what wesaw, the atrophied legs were
prosthetics and they hid hisreal legs under the wheelchair.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
I thought so yeah, and they CGI'd it out.
Yeah, that's cool.
I was imagining that.
When I saw those legs, I waslike, how did they do that?

Speaker 2 (27:02):
That's a lot of work, man.
That's a lot of CGI work.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Anytime they're in the Avatar, all CGI.
That's incredible.
The trees CGI.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
You know, before they'd probably just have the
actor get real skinny.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
If it was made today, I thinkthe CGI would be worse.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Huh, Huh, I genuinely I do think it would be worse.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
No, no, no, Just in general, because I think so much
.
Maybe not because it's JamesCameron, but I'm thinking if
just somebody were to make thismovie besides James Cameron, I
can imagine using all the goodCGI that we have today, and it
would just look like crap,because there's a lot of bad CGI
, I think, today.

(27:45):
Well, yeah, it's kind of, Ithink it's more widely
accessible, and it's just hetakes his faster but at a
crappier quality, you knowthat's why it took him fucking
what, uh, what was 11 years, 13years to release the next one
well, yeah, because it was yes,there's so much water.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
That's why it's the way of water.
Yeah, oh, I, I know what.
I know what's going to get me apoint.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
They came up with a whole new tracking technology to
do the CGI in water for thesecond movie.
Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
So once we watch the second movie, I want you to
watch the part where he'srunning from the panther thing
and he goes to jump in the water.
I want you to look at thatwater and then I want you to
look at the water in the secondone, because it's so there's,
there's a um, a phenomenon thatis known as the uncanny valley.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I was talking to you about this a little bit.
The uncanny valley is whenanimation is close, but it's not
, you know, close enough, andoftentimes they say how children
will reject it.
It's, you know, adults will,whatever right, but children are
very afraid of it.
It very small things, forinstance, uh, cgi will make
faces uh symmetrical, and ourfaces are not symmetrical, and

(29:01):
so it's like so funny, they say,you put up a mirror on one side
of your face and so that youcan only see either your left
side or your right side, as ifthat was your whole face yeah
and depending on which side youuse it it's one is less good
looking, one is more goodlooking, and cgi doesn't do that
very well, or they hadn't upuntil around this, this era,

(29:22):
2009, 10, 11, 12.
And do you remember the movie,uh, polar express?
Yeah that was one of the firstsuccesses.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Fucking tom hanks.
That character is just tomhanks.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Let's pay one dude they really got their money's
worth out of it that was one ofthe very first successes in
defeating the uncanny valley.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Children actually enjoyed that movie.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I find that art style so disturbing, to be honest,
really, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, no, I think.
With the Uncanny Valley thing,I think it doesn't really happen
in this movie just becausethey're not human.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
I bring it up only for one reason.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
But the background.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Not the people, but the backgrounds.
That's what I I know what youmean, because when the actors
are there you can tell so muchof it is green there's a
specific spot where I'm lookingat sigourney weaver and I'm like
that's sigourney weaver.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I can tell that sigourney weaver, but it it
looked to me like it was a videogame cut scene like she was
kind of placed into thisbackground and it was just like
it was.
It was so bizarre everything.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
It looked so so real but not and it was almost like I
think that's the 2009.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
That just has to do with like that's what I was
thinking they got us.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
This is pocahontas kind of it's a bit like lighting
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
It takes a real like big part in that oh yeah, and
lighting and cgi is so difficulttheory about why we have the
uncanny valley in our brains isbecause back in the day, when
you know when we're in caves andshit, there were things that
were mimicking us I believe inmimics dude yeah, there are
things mimicking I think they'rereal really it would I think
they're real and that's thereyou know, I think they're more

(31:06):
afraid of us than we are of them.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Okay, but to what extent do you believe in mimics
Like you believe?
It's an actual creature thatjust mimics other things?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I kind of yes, you could say creature.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
I think it's.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I kind of think more, rather than don't think
terrestrial, I think likeinterdimensional.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
I don't think that they belong here.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Something not of this world, yeah gotcha yeah, mimics
, skinwalkers, uh, wendigos um,I think they're, they're,
they're all we can call them.
All sorts of different things,and I do think that skinwalkers
and wendigos have a lot incommon, but they're not, not
exact yeah wendigos andwerewolves have a lot in common.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Wendigos just mimic the voice right, they don't
actually shift.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
No, Wendigos are.
What is it they're?

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I believe, isn't it because?

Speaker 2 (31:55):
they eat.
The belief is they are formerwitch doctors who they began
going down the cannibal route.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, and they lost their sanity.
My only knowledge of Wendigosis from Until Dawn.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's my only fucking.
But Skinwalkers it's basicallylike a witch-type beat that'll
take the skin of an animal andwear it and be able to mimic
that animal.
In pop culture they make it sothey can mimic humans and shit,
but it's mainly animals.
So imagine you go out on yourporch.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
It's like a drew cats outside.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
You know you gotta call your cat and you know
you're like whatever, and thenyou hear a meow, but it doesn't
sound quite right, kind ofsounds like a person.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
It's actually.
It's actually.
That's what they say.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I know exactly what you mean, but that's what they
say out it's right, but yourinstinct, your intuition, you
know it's like and this is whatI think about, mimics, right,
because it's like, just for formy person, oh, I'm gonna use you
tj.
It would be like maddieanswering your call, if you said
, if you said maddie and shesaid what, and it was like her

(33:05):
voice but not her spirit.
Can you understand what I meanby that?
yeah like that's.
That's kind of what I think amimic is.
It's the voice, not the soul,not the, not the like there's
just something that they itcan't.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
It's not that, it's not the essence.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
It's not the essence of what that person is.
It's like you.
Can I know I I heard your voiceright?
It would be like you if I heardyou speaking, but I know it's
not you.
That was one of my favorites,like I love creepypasta and
stuff like that, where they didone really I don't know.
I love that stuff or it was like, um, mother and daughter,

(33:39):
mother and daughter were sittingin a room and well, actually
the daughter was sitting in theroom by herself and the mom was
calling her.
She's like come, you know, comedownstairs, come downstairs.
And then the daughter goes tothe stairs and when she gets to
the stairs, all of a suddensomebody grabs her and yanks her
in the room and it's her mom.
And she's like that's not meand like it just ends right
there.
You know it's like a super shortlike, but it's like there's
this one.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I freaking love that there's this one short story
where dude's driving home afterwork and it's late at night and
he, uh he hits something, um andhe it's a you know person, so
he just fucking keeps driving.
Gets home, um, wife's like youknow, dinner's almost ready, uh
goes to sit down and then thewife's just acting weird and
he's like what the fuck?

(34:19):
And he hears a knock at thedoor, goes to the door, it's the
cops and it's like are you mrso-and-so?
Yeah, your wife was hit on, I,whatever.
Oh, it turns around.
Who the fuck is that?
But he, he ended up, he killedhis wife.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Dude, that's a double whammy right there.
But I mean, you know, it creepsme the fuck out Like I honestly
think the more cruel thing forthat entity that mimic to do is
to leave him alive.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Like that's more cruel at that point.
You know what you did now.
Now you're being told, and oh,God, that's a horrible thought.
But as far as this, I did enjoythe flying scenes.
I completely understand yourpoint.
The flying scenes, I completelyunderstand your point.
And then the other scene thatgave me the willies was when
they were.
He was tasked with bonding withhis first flying creature, the

(35:16):
banshee yeah.
And they had to jump on thosevines.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Oh yeah, oh, dude, the fucking floating To climb
into that area.
First they had to climb upthose freaking floating anal
bead of rocks.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
And it's like you're not surviving that fall.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
But so here's the thing I don't know, because I'm
imagining doing that, doing thatin my body yeah, absolutely not
, will never happen, that's notgonna happen.
But maybe if I was in one ofthose bodies I would feel a lot
more comfortable, because itseems like those bodies were you
, you know stronger.
They were adapted for that.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
And if you remember what the Colonel said, the
Colonel said that the gravitywas lesser on that planet.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
So I wonder like do they have a, a what's it called
A terminal velocity If they fall?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
that's the, I mean they.
They definitely fall.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Or are they like cats ?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
But remember they were able to hit those leaves
and bounce off from one to theother, to the other, they're
like slim.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
He fell quite a bit their bones are carbon fiber, so
they must be like pretty lightfor their size.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
It would take a lot for them to.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
So they're like sugar gliders.
Yeah, kind of Right Now.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I have a question for you guys.
Yeah, did anybody right now Ihave a question for you guys.
Yeah, did anybody else?
I?
I might have missed somethingat the beginning.
Did anybody else think thatthey kept showing jupiter, like
this was a moon of jupiter, likethey kept showing the sky?
I think it kept showing a giantgas?
No, it's actually not.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
I looked it up because jupiter, but this is a
planet that it's a moon.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's a moon that um, that orbits a planet that is
polyphemous and alpha centauri.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
So they really just like Interesting.
So they just picked a planet.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
They're like yeah, let's pick a gas giant but give
it that fucking weird storm.
The eternal storm right?
Exactly that's what I thought,so why?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
wouldn't they just make it look different?

Speaker 2 (37:06):
That's what I thought too.
Frankly speaking, I think theymight have, but I think the
color was different.
I think it was darker in color.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Ours is a red spot, I think.
Out of their $327 millionbudget, or whatever it was, they
were like we're not going tospend too much on that.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Fuck, what do we put for the skybox man?

Speaker 3 (37:23):
98% of the movie is CGI and I think when they got to
that they were like it's therefor two fucking seconds I did
frankly and really enjoystanding on that planet, looking
at that or that moon, lookingat that planet.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I think that is probably one of the coolest
things wouldn't that be so coolif I could ever experience
something like that, it would beunbelievable.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
I wish, I wish earth had rings.
We could have had rings, wecould have been next to another
planet or something.
Or like give us more than onemoon, Like you know.
Yeah, we only got one moon Forreal.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
We could have had rings.
It would have looked so dope.
It would have been really hardto travel though up to space.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
You guys ever seen the Orville?
Yeah, I saw parts of it withseth mcfarland.
Yeah, they go to a planet thathas rings and it just I love
when movies show things likethat or like you know what it
would look like.
It's so cool I also love.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I saw this one that was, uh, what earth would look
like if you looked up, and insaturn's place was the rings of
JS1, I forget what it is 102.
It's like the largest ringedplanet in the universe, or the
known universe.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
You really need to come up with some names for
these, instead of just a bunchof fucking numbers and letters.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I mean yeah right, Just whoever finds it name after
them, please, or something.
Call it Big D or something,something you could, you could
stand like that you could standeven in los angeles, even with
all of our light pollution.
You can look out and largerthan the moon would be those
giant rings like that's how bigthose rings are.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
That's really cool hey, that would be really cool
one part of this, or yeah if wehad more than one moon, that
would be kind of cool too.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
So I was gonna say the cgi there's one that would
be kind of cool too.
So I was going to say the CGI.
There's one part that I likekind of.
It kind of looks fucky.
It's when they're in theirlittle mech suits.
It's kind of like the Iron manthing where they like stop doing
the practical suit, so it justkind of looks like his head's
floating there.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, I don't mean yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
That, that I kind of get that.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Go ahead with.
Go ahead with what you weregonna say, alex.
No, I I kind of get that.
That and what I?
What I wanted to say was thethe well, okay, I'm.
I'm gonna tell you now thatthat our listeners have already
endured my angst all of thistime.
I actually really did like thismovie.
I just had to to give you guysall of the negatives, and I do
really believe everything thatI've said to you.
I just made it out like it was amuch bigger problem for me than
it was, but all of those things, I really do believe that this
is Pocahontas, that it's Danceswith Wolves, that it has some of

(39:57):
the space elements yes, butit's, all in all, a story that's
been told many times.
Although very enjoyable, I lovethe depiction of the natives,
but the one thing that I gotreally mad at was they kind of
showed us in a way, how I wantto say this correctly they
showed us, in a way how fragilethe mech suits were.

(40:20):
Fragile is not the right word,but they weren't able to stand
up to those beasts, right.
Those beasts just trampled themlike nothing, right.
But then when this guy, uh, thecolonel jumps out of a of an
exploding uh craft onto theground and like nothing happens

(40:40):
well, lower gravity is what Igave credit for that I, I guess,
I guess versus a rhino stompingyou because I mean that those
things were pretty badass.
Those were cute.
I wish we'd seen those monkeythings more.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Oh yeah, the lemurs they're fucking goofy looking.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I liked them.
They were non-aggressive, whichI also really they had regular
arms but just split off into twoother forearms and hands.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
It's kind of dope I really did love how they
answered the question that that,uh, I forget her name.
I keep forgetting her name theno the, the lead.
Uh, how she, how excited shewas, like I believed her right,
she, she took on that role andshe became that.
That uh character.

(41:26):
They're not the avatars.
He was the avatar.
What they were called, whatwere the people called um?
Sky people no, the sky peoplewere the bad ones oh, they were,
they were the oh yeah, tani, ohyeah and um, I mean she.
She was one of them because oneof the things I love when she
got so excited, when all of theanimals came and responded and

(41:48):
she was hollering in excitementand jubilation that the mother,
the great mother, heard you, sheheard you, she heard you, and
she was like screaming it.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
That part made me excited.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
It did and I was like it was their reinforcements
came.
And it was like for no otherreason than balance.
No, I don't think she was wrong.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Well, because she said, no, it won't pick a side.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Right, and I don't think she well, no, that's good.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
It definitely picked a side, but it it picked balance
.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
They were going to imbalance the planet.
They were already imbalancingthe planet.
What was it?

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Iwa, iwa, what was coming, and maybe from jake,
telling it like this is what'sgoing to happen to it.
I like this is beyond yourworld.
This is my world.
I'm telling you what thesepeople will do.
I know exactly what they will dowho they are, what they are and
I think that connection to ewawas enough for for ewa to know
like, oh no, he's, he's serious.

(42:45):
But what I do want to say iscan we, can we uh get it out of
the way?
The big elephant in the roomthat, uh, this is just a big uh
trans or pro trans uh movie.
Jake sully is trans for sure.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
100 I mean trans species.
Oh, I mean, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
can we talk about how ?

Speaker 3 (43:03):
he's not one of them, and then he becomes the best of
them, wow this guy that justsounds like Jesus really when
they all needed him most he camedown, did a fucking miracle.
They were like yo, I'm with you, g yeah, jesus came, blue Jesus
also, I would like to point outthat the well he didn't die.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
But I would say not really, because jesus came down
and said I didn't come here tofight your wars yeah, but well,
jesus came down as a man.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
I think that's the comparison he's making.
But so, guys, the colonel atthe end the colonel he said so.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Jake, how does it feel to betray your own race?
I really think he could havesaid species there, but he chose
race I feel like bro's, alittle racist.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
You betrayed the whites, you betrayed the white,
you betrayed us, so okay, theonly way that could have been
worse is he was like for thosecolored monkeys, which they also
called them, which is that'sright they did wow, this is
really.
It's just the same.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
They live in a tree.
They're savages.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
So okay, here Stephen Lang, that's Colonel Miles
Kaurich.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Good actor.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
He was you guys, I don't know, maybe TJ does, but I
know you haven't seen it he wasIke Clanton in Tombstone, which
was he played the gnarliestcoward in that movie.
He's still a bad guy, but whata great character.
From that character to thischaracter, unbelievable.
And then my favorite was Itukun, who was the father, the chief,

(44:41):
and he was another old movie.
He played Magwa in Last of theMohicans, which the the second I
heard him speak I was like, ohmy god, that's magua.
I.
I knew him from that movie didyou know?

Speaker 1 (44:54):
so, um, you know the one dude who was supposed to be
betrothed to nick chiri.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
He becomes like the chief that guy, you know who
plays him.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
No, mm from the boys, mm.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Mother's milk black guy oh guy, oh really you know
that?
No, didn't know that either.
Yeah same, that's interestingFun fact, guys.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
If you watch the boys and haven't read the comic.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
The reason his name is MM or Mother's Milk, is
because he gets super strengthfrom drinking his mother's milk.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
They deleted that from the show.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Have you ever seen the boys?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Special.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Not special.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Normal, they're special.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Normal, I think.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Comparatively.
Comparatively, I mean, it's notlike he's drinking from the
same bottles.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
It's frozen Good protein.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Okay, well, that makes it very slightly better.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, I don't know if we really want to start trying
to justify this.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
I would say you would let the the blue woman sit on
your face.
Do they have those parts?
I would.
I would just let it happen.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
I feel like they might crush your skull when she
was, when she was holding himlike his, his human body.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
I was like damn oh, my god, he was so tiny.
There was that whole.
There was that whole tiktok,trend't it, where it was like
the way to die, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Death by snoo-snoo for me, please.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Thank you, I do not want an arrow in the chest, but
if you would just, no, no arrowsCrush my neck, please.
Thank you, thank you, I wouldagree.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Maybe, have you ever heard of Lady Dimitrescu?
Oh yeah, Isn't that Resident?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Evil.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, yes, yes, I have.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
And I've seen all of the different skins they put on
her.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
No, there's, markiplier was a big fan, yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I do.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
It's called Steven Universe.
One of the songs in it is uh,fucking, all I wanna do is see
you turn into a giant woman,right and then because they like
fuse and then they turn into agiant woman or whatever, but uh
once once she fuck apart, he'slike giant woman.
That's how I feel.
Like I tell maddie all the timeI'm like bitch.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
I wish you were seven foot god I wish you were a
freak of nature.
I wish.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
I wasn't a fucking foot taller than you.
You're ruining it.
What is?

Speaker 2 (47:25):
you remind me of something.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
There was a show See, Josh gets it.
Neil Patrick Harris.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
It was how I Met your Mother and he said I've always
wanted to be with a really tallwoman, not a big woman.
Your mother and said I'vealways wanted to be with a
really, uh, tall woman, not abig woman, all proportionally
proper, but just really tall.
That's interesting, a fucking uhamazonian exactly, yeah, seven
feet tall, but all proportionedout long neck, you know just
long, just normal body long it'sa five foot body of a seven

(47:58):
foot yeah I think I would beokay with like sigourney weaver
dude six feet tall I would, yeah, I would, I would, I would wait
, sigourney weaver now orsigourney weaver in this movie?

Speaker 3 (48:11):
both I would.
I would really have you seensigourney weaver now no, I would
.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Let me look, let me make sure, I think I would you
know who's the main, who's uhfucking I think michael myers,
uh sister, I have no idea, Iknow she's older that actress I
would I don't know, dude, Ithink I still would I would and
and her blue counterpart yep ohyeah, when she first walked up
and he was like digging his toesin the dirt or whatever, and

(48:37):
then she's like hey or whatever.
He turns around and he goesdamn.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Two years ago Two years ago.
We're just looking up picturesof Sigourney Weaver.
Oh, where's that from?

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Wikipedia, Waikipedia .
Weaver at the 2024 Venice FilmFestival.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
I feel like you need to stream the screen.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yeah, I feel like they didn't do her justice.
No, they might not have.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Who picked that picture?
I mean, this is a very welldone picture.
I would no questions asked,didn't even see it yet I would.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
You said that was 2024?
.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
That picture.
Nah, she looked like Jim Carrey.
If he Jim Carrey, he'd looklike Jim Carrey, damn.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
What the fuck Jim Carrey, if Jim Carrey looked
like Jim Carrey, you?

Speaker 1 (49:25):
know what I mean.
I would All right.
I mean, hey, yeah, and I'mstill taller than her.
Is she only six foot?
I'm not?

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Or is she six foot something?
Yes, she's six foot.
Meanwhile I'm still taller.
Yes, she's six foot, meanwhiletaller than her dub.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
That was the days I remember.
Nerdy vet, nerdy vet says jamielee curtis yeah, jamie lee
curtis that's another one wouldwould.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Anyways, guys, uh, you, as you can hear, we are uh
very off topic.
Uh, alex, would you like togive them the socials?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
heck, yeah, well, I calculate the points we have
socials on tiktok, instagram andfacebook.
You can just search will yousurvive the podcast.
You can also search will yousurvive the podcast on youtube
and catch our youtube shorts.
We put up new stuff, uh, fivedays a week.
Go check that out and you caneither search will youive the
Podcast or look up at the boysat WIS, at the boys at WIS.

(50:21):
And we also have our email thatyou can send any critiques,
criticisms, suggestions,anything you'd like us to cover.
Just send those to the boys atwillyousurvivethepodcastcom.
T-h-e-b-o-y-s atwillyousurvivethepodcastcom.
And I think that pretty muchcovers all of our socials.

(50:41):
Guys, make sure you find ussomewhere, follow, subscribe, do
all of that good stuff and, uh,hit up our comments.
Please.
Let us, uh, let us know you'rewatching the reels in all of our
socials so we could say what'sup probably.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Uh oh, if you want to .
If you want to see some gamingcontent on tiktok, make sure to
check out WIS Gaming.
We're doing some gaming stuffover there.
You know gaming.
This is probably the biggestgap I've ever seen.
One of you won by a landslide.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Ooh, who would that be?
And it was all Heart of the.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Cards or the V8.
I don't believe you.
Hey, I was progressively just.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
TJ.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Wood.
Anyways, I can't actually see.
I see like a bra.
Anyways, as you can see it'sall been written down.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
It has been written down.
I see that, but I can't reallyread it.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Somebody got 19.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Ooh.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
The other person got 10.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I want to be very confident, but I'm really not
sure.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Now I will switch who got 19 and who got 10, or you
can stick with it.
Right now I'm going to stickwith it.
You're going to stick with it.
Yeah, I was going to roll thedice for it, whoever got the
closest number.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
No, I'm pretty confident Eric won Alex sucks.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
I knew it.
You can't come out so hardhating a movie that is number
one.
Really, though, I don't care.
You got a more minus, alex.
The minus is up to me, not upto the heart of the dice.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
I know you suck, yeah .

Speaker 1 (52:07):
No, you're making fun of one of my favorite movies.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I get it.
I get it.
You and Eric were doing thestanding Cartwheel 69 before we
started.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
You know what you were being a little baby.
You didn't want to go see thisin theaters in 2009, and you're
a grown-ass man nope, hey.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I went when I was nine and guess what?

Speaker 1 (52:23):
it changed my life I seen this shit in 3d the fucking
seeds from the tree dude, ohyeah they were flying at me, bro
, with this movie I could haveswore one landed on me.
It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Shit was great that that flight that flight battle
that was the drugs you weredoing that flight battle scene.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
That was the drugs.
You were doing that flightbattle scene in 3D Crazy.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I'm sorry, that was the drugs that were in your
mama's milk.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
He was nine Again.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
There's a reason why he connects with mother's milk.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
I thought you were going to say why he's so large,
why he's so big-minded.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
It's like that scene of grownown-ups where he's like
he's 118 months.
118 months is crazy If you saymonths.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
After a year.
If you say months after a year,I'm going to slap the shit out
of you, because if you sayfucking 14 months.
You're just making me do math.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, we started saying year and a half If you
say fucking 14 months you'rejust making me do math, yeah, so
we started saying year and ahalf Like yeah, I know my wife
and I said we were, you know, wewere talking to each other 16
months 17, 18.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
I think 18 months is like.
After 18 months, I don't thinkthere's any reason.
There's developmental reasonsto keep going by the months up
until I think about it.
There's yeah, there'sdevelopmental and doctoral,
because you go to the doctor howmany months?
Yeah, but then I think after 18years old right.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Well, at two years old it's every year.
If I ask two, three, four, five, it is to just a person.
To a person, yeah, you shouldjust say the year, just say oh,
a year and a half just over ayear, if it's like you know,
just say the year, just say, oh,a year and a half, just over a
year, if it's like.
You know, if it's below a yearand a half, it's just like a
little over a year, oh, it'salmost a year and a half.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Say something like that A year and a couple of
months, right Year and a month.
Year and a couple of months,almost a year and a half, year
and a half, just over a year anda half.
Then it's about to be two.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
He's 216 months, bitch, that's 18.
What are you talking?

Speaker 3 (54:21):
about how funny would it be if that's how we told our
aged people yeah, I'm fucking382 months.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Jesus.
What would that be?

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Yeah, I don't even know 216 is 18 years, right, I
think.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
A minute, hold on, let me see.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
How many months is 18 years?
You're alive me, I'm just gonna.
Yeah, I'm a quarter of acentury.
I'm 283 months old.
I'm 546 months old.
Wait, how old are you, eric?
You mean?

Speaker 1 (54:49):
5400.
Shut up eric.
283 months, 23.
So that, how many more monthswould that be for me?

Speaker 3 (54:53):
I'm turning 25, well, I counted so 23 times 12, plus
the seven years are the sevenmonths that I have already
passed for until my nextbirthday, so that's 283.
Anyways what the fuck are wetalking about?
I didn't even.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
If you guys want to see some gaming content, go to
WIS Gaming.
Eric won.
Eric didn't give a winner'sspeech because Eric is tired.
Alex is a hoe.
You never give me theopportunity give a winner's
speech because Eric is tired.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Alex is a hoe.
You never give me theopportunity for a winner's
speech.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Do you want a?

Speaker 3 (55:19):
winner's speech.
Yeah, I'm happy to win.
This was an easy victory.
I already have my next movieplanned.
We're going to be doing theConjuring 3 because I haven't
seen it and I want to see it.
And I already knew I was goingto win this one because I knew.
Alex's attitude going into it,it attitude going into it, it is
yeah, okay.
So yeah, look forward to that.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
We're going back to the conjuring you guys both suck
, and then big donkey, and thenhang on.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
One more thing.
One more thing after theconjuring three.
I would like to do signs ifsomebody else would like to do
it if someone else would like todo it before me, they are more
than welcome to well but that ison my list.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
You know, I gotta go through with this first for sure
have you guys heard of into thestorm?
I want to make you guys watch afucking three-hour movie that
is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Please give us a little bit of time because
honestly, I'm not gonna lie,this week was a little rough.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Trying to squeeze that in um, I, I do have a
different one planned, so I can,I can give.
I can give some space.
Alex, would you like to loseyour speech, so we can fucking
stop talking to each other?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yeah, you guys are lame.
I know that this was a standingcartwheel.
Standing cartwheel 69 in thebooth.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
If we were doing that , that'd be so impressive,
mostly because of our heightdifference.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
No, TJ could just hold you in the air.
You weigh nothing.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Actually I didn't really Well, how is he going to
hold me in the air and cartwheel?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
No, no, no, it's called the standing cartwheel.
No, no, it's called thestanding cartwheel.
69 he's standing flip shoeinverted, you guys.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
69 yeah, but if we're not rotating, then what's
what's the point?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
it would crush you, you're too small.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Josh, you've got it.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
The conjuring 3 the curse of the neck rick.
By the way, do you see neckrick?
On on tj's avatar it's ava neckrick r R Did you just fucking
hard, r that.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Neckrick R.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Neckrick.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
R.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Oh, my God, All right .

Speaker 1 (57:06):
All right, everybody ready to end.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Oh my God, I'm done yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Okay, thank you all for listening.
We love you all.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Until next time.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Thank you all for listening.
We love you all.
Alex, don't interrupt me,you're a bitch um never
interrupt me again if youhaven't seen avatar, watch
avatar.
I promise you it's worth thefucking two hours and whatever.
It's only okay.
Then watch the second one.
Uh, it could be cut down alittle bit.
The second one, it could be cutdown just a little bit, but uh,
yeah, uh, it's been greattalking guys, guys, eric, good

(57:37):
job for winning, thank you.