November 28, 2025 • 39 mins
A knock at the door, a soft voice asking to be let in We go deep on Sinners, the vampire tale that honors the old rules—no entry without an invite, silver that burns, sunlight that judges—while twisting the myth with a hive link that shares sensation and pain without erasing choice. That thin line between connection and control frames our central question: are these vampires puppets, or corrupted souls still capable of mercy?
We dig into the Smokestack twins and Preacher Boy as the moral core of the story. Stack’s refusal to kill Smoke—his drive to turn, not destroy—turns vampirism from pure hunger into a tragic theology. If the life of the flesh is in the blood, then drinking becomes a doomed attempt to feel whole again. The movie’s small details make that argument sing: war-torn tremors, a cigarette rolled by a steadier hand, a protective mojo bag, and color cues that foreshadow fate. Even the humor works like a blade, easing tension without breaking the film’s logic or its stakes.
We also tackle the film’s cultural weight. Sinners places Black characters at the center of power, peril, and choice, without flattening them into symbols. It stares down the politics of invitation, the performance of politeness at the door, and the violence waiting outside. Along the way we compare classic lore from Dracula to Interview with the Vampire, talk through new-strain theory and agency, and challenge whether the movie was overhyped—or quietly masterful. The final blaze, the withheld bite, and a brother’s embrace linger because they ask something bigger: what does it cost to keep a promise in a cursed world?
If you enjoy story-first horror, sharp lore, and debates that respect the rules, hit follow, share this with a friend, and leave a quick review telling us whether Sinners nailed the myth—or broke it in the right ways.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:24):
Hello, survivors, and welcome back to another
episode of Will You Survive thePodcast.
And today we watch the movieCinners.
But before we get into that, wehave our two co-hosts.
We've got I'm Alex.
SPEAKER_03 (00:39):
I'm gonna wait.
I want a proper introductionhost.
SPEAKER_00 (00:42):
We've got the mustache king himself from Los
Angeles, California.
Welcome back to the podcast.
SPEAKER_02 (00:51):
From California zip code.
SPEAKER_03 (00:56):
Is that the German is 1839?
South South Street.
South South Street.
Everybody knows I'm from thatsouth-south.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
South?
SPEAKER_02 (01:07):
You could say you're an SS member.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
Whoa.
Part German.
He's a part of that SS clique.
SPEAKER_02 (01:18):
We can't get this wild, bro.
We can't get this wild.
Hello, Josh.
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
Hi TJ.
SPEAKER_02 (01:27):
Uh fuck you.
Kill yourself.
Said that.
Anyways.
I just wanted you guys to shutup so I started the episode.
Um, I I got that.
SPEAKER_03 (01:37):
I heard.
We were talking about toastershootles, and you cut us off.
It was a very importantconversation.
SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
It was so important.
SPEAKER_03 (01:43):
Can we get back to it actually?
SPEAKER_02 (01:45):
Today we watched the movie centers.
It is a 2024 five 2025 film fromRyan Kugler.
SPEAKER_03 (01:55):
One of those 2020s movies.
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
One of them 2020s is made in the 20s.
Um it's a great movie.
It's a vampire movie.
It's also a uh cultural moviefor me and my brethren, the
whites.
Okay.
Um and really did them wrong inthis film.
Yeah, they really did my peoplewrong in this film.
(02:18):
Uh I just think it really showsall the death and destruction
that those people caused to mypeople.
SPEAKER_03 (02:25):
You know, okay, I I've been oddly uh this is gonna
sound weird.
I I've oddly had a lot of talkabout about um slavery i in like
the media that I consume.
I just realized I watched acouple of podcast episodes that
kept referencing like HarrietTubman and the Underground
(02:46):
Railroad and slavery, and I'mlike and and then you you
suggest that we watch thismovie, which you've been saying
for a while, but it's just funnythat like I swear this week uh
is like flooded my feed.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
Which just for consistency, uh spoiler alert,
because this is a new movie,newish.
SPEAKER_03 (03:03):
Oh, it is within two years, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:04):
It's 2025.
SPEAKER_03 (03:06):
Spoiler alert.
Anything we talk about, thismovie could spoil the movie if
you haven't seen it, but I feellike a lot of people have seen
it.
You should go watch it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:15):
Not because it's good, but you know.
SPEAKER_03 (03:18):
You don't think it's good?
SPEAKER_02 (03:21):
You know, this is high key.
If you think this movie's bad,you're racist.
Um be honest.
SPEAKER_00 (03:24):
This was classic.
Only TJ would pick to watch thismovie.
SPEAKER_02 (03:30):
Only pick good movies?
I think Mr.
Cooties.
What the fuck are you talkingabout?
SPEAKER_03 (03:37):
Yeah, this is coming from the guy who picked War of
the Worlds and Cooties.
SPEAKER_00 (03:41):
This movie by far.
I would say it has to be rankeddown there like oh, I don't
know.
What would this be?
What would this be?
Uh this is probably gonna godown for me as the best vampire
(04:06):
movie.
SPEAKER_02 (04:06):
That's what I fucking thought, brother.
Dude, it brought back the oldvampire tropes where you gotta
invite them in.
Did you catch that on your firstwatch?
SPEAKER_03 (04:16):
I did, absolutely.
I mean, they make a big deal ofit.
SPEAKER_00 (04:19):
Here's here's what what blew me away about this
movie.
I will tell you from the start,the way they were going and how
long of a setup it was.
I'm sitting here thinking, oh mygod, they're like redoing
fucking from dusk till dawn.
And they absolutely did not.
(04:39):
They really made this their ownmovie, turned it into something
that felt absolutely unique.
It was it was a little too funnyto be scary.
I didn't find myself jumping atall, but but it was it was they
held the vampire tropesperfectly, they did not break
(05:00):
any rules that I was able tofind.
Granted, this was the first timeI watched it.
SPEAKER_02 (05:03):
Yeah, there was some there's some horror elements
throughout Sprinkled, but itwasn't really like a horror,
horror movie.
Like when she gets up off of himafter fucking biting his neck
out, and she's covered in bloodlike that, and her eyes are
glowing with a little twinkle.
Right.
That's that's fucking freaky.
Yeah, but it's all practical, bythe way.
(05:24):
Those are contacts, and they hada little mirror inside of them
and they would shine light athim.
SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
But they they killed it with the uh comedy
immediately after.
It's not what it looks like.
That was that was great.
SPEAKER_03 (05:36):
Yeah, I I guess so.
I I didn't really have a prop.
So okay, how do you want to dothis, TJ?
Do you have a specific way youwant to run this episode?
Or do you want to do that?
I just want to talk about one ofmy favorite movies.
SPEAKER_02 (05:48):
You can ask me questions.
I got I know a shitload aboutthis movie.
SPEAKER_03 (05:52):
Maybe unpopular opinion.
I was talking to someco-workers, and I think we all
agree.
I think it was overhyped, but Ithink the cinematography was
amazing.
It was a it's a reallywell-written film.
Um, and and I do think it's likeit's a film, it's very, it's
very good.
(06:13):
Um I do think it was a littleoverhyped.
I think it was a little silly insome parts, and then there's
some things I that I feel likemight be inconsistencies, but I
I very well could have justmissed something.
Like so the first thing is thevampires at the end.
Um Stack and I don't I don'tknow who the girl was.
SPEAKER_00 (06:34):
I forget her name.
She was Beatrice, was thatright?
SPEAKER_03 (06:37):
I I don't I don't remember, but you you know who
I'm talking about.
SPEAKER_00 (06:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (06:41):
Why didn't they kill him?
And let me preface this bysaying the the reason I'm
confused is because in the inmost of the movie the vampires
are like blood bloodthirstygoing after everybody, like
there's no discrimination, itdoesn't really seem like they're
thinking.
Are they under mind control?
SPEAKER_02 (07:02):
Is that they so it's hive minded.
SPEAKER_03 (07:05):
But and why but why was he able to make a promise
with um with smoke while the thelead vampire was still alive,
but he makes that promise not togo after him and not to go so uh
basically go after Preacher Boy?
SPEAKER_02 (07:21):
You know, so Baldurskate, Astarian, right?
Yeah, in order to become fullvampire, he has to kill his like
creator type beat.
Yeah, yeah, so it's kind of likethat.
Uh the you so you seen the scenewhen they're all fucking doing
the Irish jig and shit.
That's because of him.
(07:42):
Yeah, so it's it's like hivemind shit, but they're not under
mind control.
They kind of just likeexperience everybody's thoughts
at once, they're all connected,right?
SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
So he's he's not controlling them.
The the Cajun woman answeredthat.
She said there were two types.
The type that they were won'tdie when the lead is killed.
SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:06):
They they are on their own completely, and you
have to hunt them downindividually.
They are an entity.
Yes, and they can make their ownmind up.
SPEAKER_03 (08:16):
I get that, absolutely.
But when Smoke beat Stack, uh inthe what was it, a barn or
something?
Yeah.
Um, when Smoke beat Stack, andthis is when they must have made
the deal that he wouldn't goafter Preacher Boy, right, um
the the lead vampire wasn't deadyet.
SPEAKER_00 (08:36):
But he was already a different type of vampire.
That's what the Cajun woman was.
SPEAKER_02 (08:41):
It doesn't matter even if he was alive or
whatever.
Like he he knew like the dealwas being like made.
Like he he knew that promptbecause they're all thinking
together as one.
SPEAKER_03 (08:53):
He knows he trying to kill his brother.
SPEAKER_00 (08:55):
So why was he why was uh no?
He was trying to turn hisbrother.
SPEAKER_02 (09:00):
Yeah.
He was telling him that he likethey didn't kill anybody, they
didn't like suck anybodycompletely dry in this movie,
right?
They just turned them.
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
They turned them.
SPEAKER_03 (09:11):
Well, okay, no, what it's in the kill is that you die
when you become a vampire.
SPEAKER_02 (09:15):
It's in a it's in a I think okay, so the reason why
Ramick, main vampire, was goingafter Preacher Boy is because of
in the beginning of the movie,it says that you know, great
artists or whatever can likeopen the veil or whatever and
play across the veil orwhatever.
And Ramick is an Irish man, hegot ostracized by his people,
(09:39):
I'm pretty sure, and he'sliterally unable to go home.
So the reason he wants PreacherBoy to become a vampire is so
that he can gain his ability toplay and sing because they're
like hive mind, right?
So he just wants a little bit oflike home, you know?
That's the whole reason, andthat's why they were turning
everybody just to get to him.
SPEAKER_03 (09:59):
I I get that, yeah, I understand that.
My point is more of a semantic.
It's that it seems that Smokemade it well, Smoke made this
deal with Stack that Stackwouldn't go after Preacher Boy
since Smoke won.
They kind of allude that uh thatSmoke killed Stack, but then
(10:19):
later on, obviously Stack showsup, so you know that he really
didn't.
So there's just it feels likethere's some inconsistency
because the when the the leadvampire, uh what was the name
again?
SPEAKER_00 (10:31):
Ramic.
Ramick.
SPEAKER_03 (10:33):
Ramic.
When rameck got hit over thehead with uh presumably silver
guitar, silver, yeah.
Um, and it was burning into hisskull, all of them were feeling
that pain.
Then he got stabbed in the inthe heart with a stake, all of
them felt that pain.
Now, I wonder was Stack alsofeeling that pain?
SPEAKER_00 (10:50):
It didn't show it.
SPEAKER_03 (10:51):
They didn't show.
And then when they all died ofof the sun, um, that makes sense
because obviously they all died.
It would be it would have beeninteresting to see if any of the
vampires were inside if the samething would have happened to
them, if they would have died byproxy, or if they just would
have felt all the pain, and thenonce they were dead, that they
would still be alive.
SPEAKER_00 (11:10):
In the lore, what I guess stack in the lore they all
would have died, except for theone who see he basically Ramak
unintentionally created a newstrain of vampire, and it
happens that's that's what theywere explaining in the in the
lore, and maybe it has to dowith a certain type of of strong
(11:32):
personality.
So, in essence, it could be umI'm gonna try to say this.
This might be a bad analogy, butit it it would be like uh an
alpha creating another alpha,and that one can think for
himself, and everybody he turnswill then be but following.
SPEAKER_02 (11:50):
I think no, what's her name?
White bitch, Hayley Steinfeld.
What's her character's name?
Uh a quarter of a quarter blacklady, Mary, Mary, Mary, yeah,
Annie's uh smokes girl.
Um so he turned Mary first,right?
And then she bit uh stack.
So what if that has something todo with like you know, that type
(12:12):
of mindset where Alpha, youknow, Alpha and then strong
personalities, they're in love,shit like that.
SPEAKER_03 (12:18):
I get the strong personalities thing.
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
It just seems like Do not think that Stack was
trying to kill Smoke for thereason like I want to kill you,
I'm I'm following this guy, butrather he was trying to turn him
because he wanted his brotherwith him.
SPEAKER_02 (12:33):
Yeah, so I think he I guess so he somewhat just
retained his some sort ofhumanity within him.
SPEAKER_00 (12:39):
I I wouldn't even call it well, I guess I guess
you're right, because at the endhe he hugged Preacher Boy and
left him.
SPEAKER_03 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, and so did so did the girl.
SPEAKER_00 (12:48):
So did Mary.
She said, see uh, what did shesay?
Uh did she call him Smalls?
What does she call him?
SPEAKER_03 (12:54):
She called him like uh Sammy, Sammy Boy or Sammy
Boy?
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
Little Sammy because she didn't call him Preacher
Boy, yeah, little Sammy.
Yeah, and that was that wasindicative that they have their
own thought, they're able to tocome up with their own their own
way of thinking, their own wayof shall I say, performing.
They're not obligated whenthey're like that that type of
vampire.
SPEAKER_03 (13:18):
It's weird, like so I g I guess you would have to
argue that the the vampirismwhat's that called?
Um there's like a name for it.
Oh well called vampirism.
SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
Vampirism is I think that's it.
SPEAKER_03 (13:30):
Yeah, that when you so w we would have to argue that
vampirism skews your mindsetinto thinking that that is the
best way.
Because I you would think thatif somebody got infected and and
still had control of theirthoughts, they would be like,
Oh, well, I'm gonna stay awayfrom from the people I love if I
can't contain myself.
I don't wanna kill them, I don'twant to do that to them.
SPEAKER_02 (13:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (13:51):
But if he had this idea, uh but I guess you could
argue that after living for solong um and not aging, uh when
Preacher Boy asked him, like, Iguess, like, how are you doing
or something?
And uh Stack was basicallysaying, like, you know, it was
uh, oh, I I loved that day.
Last time I seen the sun, I gotto feel a sunset, like, last
(14:12):
time I was with my brother.
Yeah.
So I guess maybe he grew, youknow.
SPEAKER_00 (14:17):
Okay, so you could still follow the lore if you
were to go back in time andwatch a movie called uh
Interview with a Vampire.
They held all of these tropes inthat one as well.
That was um allegedly based offof the the Bram Stoker Dracula,
the vampires.
A lot of the rules existed.
They talked about uh you cannever feed off of the dead, all
(14:40):
of the the stereotypical silvergarlic.
The one thing that has alwaysbeen more of the Bram Stoker is
the the cross, the crucifix.
Uh, but even then, Dracula washe was never susceptible to the
crucifix.
And then if you follow thingslike Van Helsing, Dracula would
grab the crucifix and catch iton fire and turn it to ash.
(15:04):
And it would hurt him, but hewas he wasn't afraid of it,
right?
But all of the others, all ofhis lowerlings were afraid of
it.
And the the lore has alwaysexisted that if you wanted to
rid the world of vampires, youwould have to kill Dracula,
Dracula.
He is the ultimate being, right?
(15:24):
He was the one who was made intoum he made a deal with the
devil, and the story is sowicked that he was when he was
sent to to hell after his death,that was Vlad the Impaler.
Uh, when he was sent to hellafter his death, he was so evil
that Satan made a deal with himthat he would bring him back, he
(15:45):
would set him free, give himwings, but he could never be in
the daylight, and he would haveto bring as many souls with him
as he could.
So the lore in this movie isit's impeccable, uh, even to the
point where uh Stack is capableof choosing who to turn and who
(16:06):
not.
Now, you're probably right.
The fact that he withheld, hestayed away from Preacher Boy
his whole entire life, thatPreacher Boy had no idea the guy
was still alive.
That at the end, when he cameup, he's like, How?
Right?
And then he explained that Smokealmost killed him and that made
he made a deal.
You know, I guess I'm the onethat he couldn't kill, which
(16:28):
also I believe it kind ofalluded to the fact that Smoke
was still hunting them.
Is that it?
Did you get that idea?
SPEAKER_03 (16:35):
I got the impression that Smoke died.
SPEAKER_02 (16:37):
Yeah, no, Smoke died.
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
Did you once he was hallucinating, holding a baby he
didn't have?
SPEAKER_00 (16:42):
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
SPEAKER_02 (16:44):
He died, yeah.
He died.
Another just a little scene wasa big thing.
The thing before that notice.
Yes.
I so first of all, I want aprequel for the Smokestack
twins.
I would like to I don't evenneed fucking vampires in it.
I just there would they wereworking with Al Capone and shit.
They were at war, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (17:03):
Well, here's the funny thing it could totally be
a prequel with vampires becausePreacher Boy's dad knew
something.
SPEAKER_02 (17:10):
Oh, yeah.
Also, that motherfucker wasdark.
He was yeah, dude.
I have my shit on full.
Against the white background,that was crazy.
unknown (17:19):
It's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (17:20):
I liked it, but um but I was gonna say but all of
the rules, they followed all ofthe rules, they implemented all
of the rules, the the carnal andviciousness of these things was
impressive.
It was I I really do like that.
I really loved and hated howthey were so sickeningly sweet
(17:43):
at the door when Ramak and his Iwas gonna bring that up uh
earlier when we were talkingabout like the humanity within
them and like how they change orwhatever.
SPEAKER_02 (17:52):
And you can definitely see like a difference
in their demeanor and like howthey talk and shit.
Cornbread at the door, we justgotta be kind to one another,
you know.
Like he was not talking likethat beforehand, and like which
that's clearly right away ramixlike whiteness.
Um I just gotta say it, it washis whiteness coming through.
SPEAKER_03 (18:13):
Oh, so I wait, wait, wait.
SPEAKER_00 (18:15):
When you say right away, you mean when he came to
the door of the family and hewas pounding on the door saying
that some Indians, so uh whatdid he call them?
Chippewa?
Was it Chippewa or Chalky?
Choctaw Choctaw.
SPEAKER_02 (18:28):
I think it was Choctaw.
SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
That they were after him, and he was like, There
ain't been no what are wetalking about?
What?
There ain't been no Indians herewhen the when Ramack first came
to the house and the Indians didcome looking for him, they're
like, he's not what you think heis.
SPEAKER_03 (18:43):
Oh no, I didn't know that right away.
No.
Whoa, well, okay.
When when they said um uh he'snot what you think he is, and if
he is in there, we need to do weneed to act right away.
I did have this thought, becauseI know what the movie's about
about vampires.
I knew that already going intoit.
So I was like, oh, maybe that'sa vampire.
SPEAKER_00 (19:02):
I'll tell you what, I thought it was the Indian.
Motherfucker was the Indian.
SPEAKER_03 (19:05):
I didn't trust the Indian.
SPEAKER_02 (19:07):
You didn't see the burns.
SPEAKER_03 (19:09):
I didn't.
He was toast.
I did, and I thought it wasweird, but I didn't think he
wasn't fully burning because thesun wasn't all the way.
SPEAKER_02 (19:17):
It was like almost down, and that's why he was
still alive.
SPEAKER_03 (19:20):
Oh man.
SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
Wow, no, I missed that.
Yeah, I know.
He was running from him.
SPEAKER_02 (19:25):
He just clicked you fucking.
SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
Good catch.
That means that they had himlocked up somewhere.
SPEAKER_02 (19:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:29):
Um see, because they could have just undid him right
there in the sunlight, but theywere keeping him alive for
several years.
SPEAKER_03 (19:36):
So would you call a vampire a demon?
Or is it it's just like a ghoul,like a separate?
SPEAKER_00 (19:42):
It's it's it's a uh it's a a humanoid, it wouldn't
be a demon.
Demons are not humans.
SPEAKER_02 (19:49):
And I think it's in like lore that they just they
don't have their soul, they justinstantly go to hell.
SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
Yeah, like they're doomed, they're their soul has
been departed, right?
SPEAKER_02 (19:58):
Aren't I dunno.
Y'all are the the Jesus y folksin here.
Do demons have souls?
Are they souls?
SPEAKER_03 (20:06):
So angels don't have souls either.
SPEAKER_00 (20:07):
So I'll tell you, I'll tell you, no, they're
they're spirits, yeah.
They're a spirit, so they'remade up of what you would call
spiritual matter.
But here's the interestingthought it's not whether a demon
is or isn't, but what is ademon, right?
What is an angel?
Because the word angel only inits original wording just means
messenger.
That's it.
(20:28):
It's not, you know, what is thisthing that we've created?
We call them angels in theBible.
They call them seraphims and uhBe not afraid.
SPEAKER_03 (20:37):
The other one seraphim and uh cherubim,
cherubim and seraphim, and thenthere's a couple more literally
that is literally my favoritething in the Bible is it it
describes the most horrifying,terrifying creature you've ever
seen in your life just appearingin in front of these people and
then going, Be not afraid, whatdo you mean?
SPEAKER_00 (20:59):
There you go.
So what um what I would posit isnot demons, right?
Because I do believe in demonicpossession, if you will, but we
use that term even, even I usethat uh loosely and probably
incorrectly, because what we'reactually talking about is most
likely the watchers, which wereangelic beings, came down and
(21:23):
mated with the women of Earth,they call them the daughters of
Eve.
They had offspring.
The offspring were uh calledNephilim, and they were
apparently so giant and uhcarnivorous that they were
eating the flesh of men.
And that was if you've ever readlike the uh epic of Gilgamesh,
there's there's multiple uhcultures across the world that
(21:47):
were never in communication witheach other that all say the same
the same story, if you will.
And it's a fascinating tale, butnow God sends the flood, kills
all of these Nephilim, butthey're part human, which is a
soul.
So I feel like so they would bespirits walking the earth.
So the question that I wouldposit is what if those are what
(22:08):
we always think?
Like I think of those, thosedeparted spirits, skinwalkers,
mimics, we call them Bigfoot,uh, all of these cryptids, um,
black-eyed children, all of allof these stories that we have
could very easily be answered bythese departed spirits.
SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
Also, I'd like to say that like if the vampires
immediately lose their soul,wouldn't they just be like
husks?
You know?
I feel essentially they are.
We're trying to like figure outwhat a vampire is.
I feel like they're just a husk.
SPEAKER_03 (22:41):
Well, that's where I'm kind of confused with like
he says it's a corrupted soul.
Why yeah, I see that would makemore sense to me because to say
that it's a husk would wouldkind of at least you would have
to say sinners doesn't followthat.
Because if it's just a husk,then it would be mindless and it
wouldn't care, and it wouldn'tmake a deal with its brother to
not go after a certain person ifit was just a husk.
(23:02):
So at least in sinners thatcan't be the case.
SPEAKER_00 (23:04):
That's where I think that's where I think all of
them.
WIS vampire.
SPEAKER_02 (23:08):
Yeah, they're they're a husk.
I think all of them the reasonthey're drinking blood is to try
to gain back a soul.
SPEAKER_00 (23:13):
Well, that's interesting.
That's a very interesting pointbecause even biblically it says
uh in I'm I'm gonna I'm gonnaparaphrase it, but the life of
the flesh is in the blood, andthe the life of flesh is the
soul.
Once the soul is departed, we'vealready examined the zombies.
A zombie is a human without asoul, it's it's a lifeless husk.
SPEAKER_03 (23:34):
So, but what about certain zombie movies that have
stated that you're still there?
You're trapped, like the cure,right?
Like you're trapped inside.
SPEAKER_00 (23:44):
See, honestly, that's why I have so
consistently been against thatthat thought.
It is such a horrible thought.
SPEAKER_03 (23:50):
That your soul is corrupted, but you're trapped
inside.
SPEAKER_00 (23:53):
I do think that's a great point for vampires.
If Maddie just said that, I'mI'm actually on Maddie's side.
It's a corrupted soul.
SPEAKER_03 (24:01):
That's why I said I agree with that.
SPEAKER_00 (24:03):
I think that makes a lot of sense because that would
be it's always trying to winits, if you will, if you'll
allow me, TJ, on this.
Uh it's trying to win itssalvation back, but it's
impossible.
You never can.
And that would be very that's aa very good point that you made,
that it's constantly drinkingthe blood trying to regain that
(24:24):
that salvation that that anuncorrupted soul would have.
That you just blew my freakingmind right now.
SPEAKER_03 (24:31):
That yeah, I think I agree with that.
SPEAKER_00 (24:33):
I really like this movie.
SPEAKER_03 (24:34):
It's a it's a fucking great movie.
SPEAKER_02 (24:36):
Did you notice the fact that um but I'm gonna
disagree with Eric and hisco-workers?
SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
I honestly cannot say that this movie was
overhyped.
I think it was way underdonefrom my perspective, just my
perspective.
SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
Not to bring race in or anything, but every time
there's like a black movie, youknow, we get excited.
Uh, everybody's like, oh, it'soverhyped, like fucking Black
Panther or fucking nope, getout.
SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
See, I you know I didn't think I cannot say that.
I cannot say I this is just mysubjective opinion.
I didn't know a single person.
This isn't saying much because Idon't know a lot, but I didn't
know a single person who everthought anything negative about
Black Panther.
And in all honesty, that's whatI was.
I thought that was my that wasmy favorite movie, and I'm gonna
(25:24):
I'm gonna be blunt about this.
This this is gonna hurt somepeople's feelings.
Very unpopular opinion.
I cannot stand when Disney makeslike they take a role that was a
Nordic, white, red-haired girland turns it into a black
character that doesn't makesense to me.
(25:45):
Gingers have have gingers keepplaying.
SPEAKER_02 (25:47):
Yeah, I don't know why that's a thing.
It's also a thing that blacksuperheroes have electric
powers, but then you have thingslike like Black Panther.
SPEAKER_00 (25:57):
Yeah, that's a role that was specifically created
for the he was always anAfrican.
That made perfect sense.
Then you have um one of myfavorites, it's Halloween time,
one of my favorite movies.
I watched this because it putsme to sleep so quickly.
I love it so much.
It's a comfort movie.
Is uh The Haunted Mansion, thenew one.
(26:19):
Uh again, made perfect sense tocreate a role for a black
character, and I can't standthat they take these roles that
don't exist, that don't makeanything, and they do the same
thing to Mexicans or Latinos ingeneral.
SPEAKER_02 (26:35):
Did you know you have your own through though?
It's the white tiger in Marvel.
Not even joking.
He gets his power from a fuckingamulet that's has like a fucking
Aztec god in it or something.
I ain't white.
Yeah, no, the white tiger, he'sMexican.
Oh, is he really?
Yeah, don't make sense.
They couldn't say the fuckingbrown tiger.
SPEAKER_00 (26:56):
I mean, that would have been cool.
I'm the brown tiger, Holmes.
There are there there arecharacters that are.
There are characters that I'veread, and uh one of the things
about the the characters thatjust drives me nuts is there are
so many historic Latinos andLatinas that are are freaking
heroic.
(27:16):
And you can make your own damnstory about them that this would
be a riveting tale that would reducate people on the Hispanic
community that most of us didn'tlearn about these people.
SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
Yeah, that's why we need more directors like Ryan
Kugler and we need the Hollywoodbusiness to allow such movies to
happen.
Because Ryan Kugler is also theman who made Black Panther and
uh a bunch of other greatmovies.
We need original characters foryou know, I I agree.
SPEAKER_03 (27:52):
That's also what I think with like uh with female
characters where they they justlove to make a female version of
every superhero, and you'relike, just make a new one.
Listen, I love I love BlackWidow, that's a unique
character.
Yeah, uh, I love Gene Gray,that's a unique character.
SPEAKER_00 (28:09):
Uh the Scarlet Witch?
SPEAKER_03 (28:10):
Scar I Scarlet Witch is literally my I only
downloaded Marvel Rivals to be aScarlet Witch main, and I am.
And it I didn't even know whather abilities were.
I was just like I'm gonna playScarlet Witch.
SPEAKER_02 (28:21):
If you're a comic book nerd and you got angry that
the Silver Surfer in the new onewas a woman, she's literally in
the comics.
That's the wife of the SilverSurfer.
Just wanted to point that out.
SPEAKER_00 (28:31):
I don't know enough about the comics.
I I I did get mad because the OGCaptain Marvel, like they didn't
even introduce Captain Marveluntil it was a a woman which was
decades into the comic.
So I was like, okay, well,thanks for that.
SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
So so when does Batman fight Thanos?
No, they got when's thecrossover happen?
SPEAKER_02 (28:56):
You got like lasers that can move up and down and
shit.
Kind of stupid.
Back to centers.
SPEAKER_03 (29:03):
Batman with prep time versus Thanos.
Thoughts?
Uh no.
SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
Batman with prep time?
What prep is he doing to battleThanos?
SPEAKER_03 (29:12):
Well, that's the thing with Batman.
Well, the thing is he has winanything with prep time.
SPEAKER_00 (29:15):
Yeah, no.
Because he beats Superman?
Yeah.
Okay, no, that's the realquestion.
SPEAKER_02 (29:20):
Superman versus Thanos?
He got training from monks.
That's all he needs.
Batman?
Yeah, dude, that so ain'ttechnique.
Doctor Strange got trained by awhite lady, a bald white lady,
and he's made Yeah, but Batmandoesn't need a gay ring to give
him his power.
SPEAKER_03 (29:36):
Yeah.
He has capitalism on his teeth.
SPEAKER_02 (29:38):
Yeah, but what about Superman?
There's a comic where he'sfighting the establishment as
the press, but he's one of myfavorite Batman comics is where
um he literally creates a robotcalled Failsafe, or if he ever
kills somebody, like if Batmanever kills like anybody, he
(29:58):
created a robot to stop.
Stop him, right?
And this robot proceeds to beatliterally everybody's ass in the
Justice League, and Batman isfighting it the entire fucking
comic.
Literally, he gets flown intospace, falls down to Earth,
somehow survives.
Regular ass man, by the way.
Batman's just OP for no fuckingreason.
unknown (30:21):
That's true.
SPEAKER_03 (30:21):
That's kind of like okay, that kind of reminds me of
Squirrel Girl's whole thing.
We're really off of Sinnersright now, but Squirrel Girl,
her whole shtick is she alwayswins.
Yeah.
That's her shtick.
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
She beat Thanos Squirrel Girl.
SPEAKER_03 (30:35):
She's a Marvel character.
Apparently she beat Thanos byherself.
Because she just always wins.
That's what she's doing.
She's a baddie.
unknown (30:40):
What?
SPEAKER_00 (30:41):
So back to Sinners.
Did you notice that?
SPEAKER_02 (30:45):
So Stanis versus Rakim.
Yeah, Stack always rolls smokehis cigarettes because smoke has
tremors from the war.
And that's why at the end of theday, he's trying to roll the
cigarette and he's shaking.
He can't roll.
SPEAKER_00 (31:00):
Okay.
I thought that was I thoughtthat was the uh the fear of of
what had happened.
SPEAKER_02 (31:06):
No, he I had no idea.
He's a cold-blooded killer.
It's just like tremors from thewar.
SPEAKER_00 (31:11):
See, that was the other reason why I thought that
it went the way it went.
Um the twins knew that they wereboth damned already.
That that was their joke.
Right?
Go to hell.
I'll save you a seat or I'llI'll save you a room.
SPEAKER_02 (31:27):
Yeah, the stole money from Al Capone.
SPEAKER_00 (31:30):
So they both knew that this was what this was
their end result.
We're going to hell.
So it wasn't like they wereafraid of being damned.
SPEAKER_02 (31:39):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (31:39):
So when the brother was like, hey, we're gonna live
forever like this, and Stackwent after Smoke for that, it
was like, nah, I'm gonna turnyou.
We're gonna be we're gonna betogether like this forever.
Smoke put up a fight.
Nah, I ain't going out likethis.
I'm not even gonna be there.
SPEAKER_02 (31:53):
They're the same age because they're twins, maybe
like minutes apart or whatever.
Yep.
Um smoke has always been theolder brother.
And uh, I don't know if youcaught it, yeah, but when he
asked Preacher Boy if his dadbeats him, he was asking him
that because when Smoke andStacks dad was beating on them,
(32:14):
Smoke killed him.
So that's also a detail.
SPEAKER_00 (32:17):
There's a lot of death in that.
SPEAKER_02 (32:18):
And that the guitar that he got, um, that's right.
That's from his father.
SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
Sell that guitar.
No, that's a lie.
That's our daddies.
SPEAKER_02 (32:26):
But that's why he really he couldn't kill his
little brother.
SPEAKER_00 (32:29):
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (32:31):
He's been protected this whole time.
SPEAKER_03 (32:32):
I knew this the second one of them got bit.
I I already knew it.
I was like, fuck, this is that'sobviously gonna be something.
Uh, because for a half second,I'm like, damn, they're gonna
kill off one of the qu one ofthe twins, and I was like,
there's no way.
So they didn't do all that workjust to play by one guy.
SPEAKER_00 (32:49):
That's interesting.
SPEAKER_03 (32:50):
Yeah, it that's it's like uh when Will Smith played
that what what was it, Gemini?
It's pretty cool that they candouble, but I guess you know,
Disney Channel.
SPEAKER_02 (32:59):
No, but like they they made some like act like
they they made up some likestuff in order to be able to do
like because he's not doing ithow like Parent Track did it,
where they film him twodifferent times.
There's a body double and thenthey're digitally editing his
head on it, but then he alsofilms as like he filmed both
parts, but it's you know, so hecan like hand him a cigarette
(33:21):
and shit.
It's pretty cool, you know,stuff.
That's sick.
SPEAKER_00 (33:26):
So nerdy vet actually uh said in the in the
chat, one backstabbed theItalians and the other
backstabbed.
Now I did catch this.
He backstabbed somebody.
I didn't know if it was theHispanics or the Asians, I don't
know who he backstabbed, butclearly that was made relevant
when the woman figured it outand was like, You're pitting
them against each other.
(33:46):
They're gonna think each otherdid it, which made perfect
sense, which is why they theyblew town.
And then wasn't that uh was thatStaxwoman?
No, um, that was Smoke SSmokeswoman.
SPEAKER_03 (33:58):
Annie?
SPEAKER_00 (33:58):
Yeah, Annie who said uh is Chicago done with you?
Was that right?
Am I saying that right?
Was that who said that?
SPEAKER_03 (34:04):
I don't remember.
SPEAKER_00 (34:05):
He said, We're done, we're done with Chicago.
Yeah, but is Chicago done withyou?
SPEAKER_03 (34:10):
Gotcha.
Like, do you still owe Chicagocoming to look for?
SPEAKER_00 (34:13):
Yeah, no, they stole from Capone.
SPEAKER_03 (34:15):
So that is Yeah, because uh uh the question was
like, Oh, you guys made it toChicago, you guys were there,
you guys talk so highly of it.
Why are you back?
SPEAKER_00 (34:24):
They they know yeah, uh what was it?
They know Jim Crow in Chicago,yeah, yeah, it's no different,
it's just taller buildings.
SPEAKER_02 (34:32):
Yeah, Capone got caught by the fucking IRS.
Ain't that a bitch?
SPEAKER_00 (34:37):
So that was a very interesting point of this was
their interaction with the worldand each other.
Of course, we didn't knowanything about their interaction
with the world.
That would be that would be aninteresting story to tell.
But now one of the other uh howwould I how would I point it
out?
So in their dealings, the thebrothers being uh what they are,
(35:01):
Preacher Boy was already makinghis uh exit, if you will.
He already said that he wasgonna go away, right?
He was done.
That was his first and lastnight doing this.
But now, at what point did uhdid the brothers already know
what was going down with the uhthe clan, if you will?
(35:22):
Yeah.
So before they did before thethe vampires came and told him
what was happening.
So basically the vampires toldeverybody else what the plan was
that though that the man whosold them the place was gonna
come back and kill them.
SPEAKER_02 (35:36):
Yeah, and they already knew they say they said
don't come back here with any ofyour clan buddies, or well
fucked you out.
SPEAKER_00 (35:42):
That ending was dark for that very reason.
SPEAKER_02 (35:45):
This was badass though.
SPEAKER_00 (35:47):
That he came out, and and see that was the other
thing.
I don't think he was gonna hedidn't want to go out as a
vampire, he didn't want to liveforever.
SPEAKER_03 (35:54):
No, but his his woman died, and no, he went out
killing racists, but he wasgonna go, he knew he was gonna
go back to the room.
Here's my here's my thought.
I think that was a pretty greatAmerican moment right there.
Yeah, you shouldn't be on myproperty, you're on my property
threatening me.
SPEAKER_00 (36:11):
There's consequences I have a lot of money.
SPEAKER_02 (36:17):
Yeah, he was like he just interrupted me, bro.
And the fuck the screaming whilehe's doing it, too.
Help me out here.
Satisfying.
SPEAKER_00 (36:25):
So nerdy says uh help me out, TJ.
Nerdy says the twins' clotheshave meaning too.
Do you do you know what he meansby that?
I am not familiar with I okay.
The blue means ties to thespiritual being a vampire, red
means blood being unalived.
SPEAKER_02 (36:44):
Oh yeah.
No, I know there's meaning, andthey they do dress very like
differently.
Um, I don't got that off the topof my head though.
I'm not that much of a nerd.
SPEAKER_00 (36:53):
Um that's what nerdy says.
The blue means ties to thespiritual being a vampire, red
means blood being unalived.
So they were wearing telling usthe whole way through.
SPEAKER_02 (37:03):
Did Smoke die after he took off his mojo bag?
He took it off, right?
He had a bag hanging around hisneck that his wife made him.
It's a mojo bag, is to keep himsafe.
I'm pretty sure he took it off,and then that's when he died,
and that's why he died.
SPEAKER_00 (37:18):
See, I didn't see I didn't see him wearing anything
when he went out in Blaze ofGlory.
SPEAKER_03 (37:24):
He was just in a tank top.
SPEAKER_00 (37:25):
Yeah, that tank top on, that was all I saw him in.
He wasn't carrying anything onhis own.
SPEAKER_03 (37:29):
What he did before he he took the baby was he put
out the cigarette.
SPEAKER_00 (37:33):
That was you put that out and I'll let you hold
her.
I don't want her smelling ofthat.
And then that fucking guy, hesee, you didn't know he probably
would have just laid there anddied if that man wouldn't have
said, I have a lot of money.
He took him out of his delusionwith his baby.
SPEAKER_03 (37:52):
Well, that's what I mean.
He was like, Oh, youinterrupted.
Well, take the rest of thisclip.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:58):
Oh, that was wild.
SPEAKER_03 (37:59):
But yeah, they never show him die, but they they
heavily insinuate.
SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
And I will I will also show you the other thing I
he took it off and then he died.
The other thing that I loved wasa nice detail.
The other thing that I lovedabout it was the uh the fact
that all of those vampires, Imean, well, okay, let me say
this was a love-haterelationship that I had.
I just got so angry at that ladywho just screamed out and
(38:28):
welcomed the water.
SPEAKER_02 (38:30):
But then they were gonna go to town and f fucking
kill her daughter, so but werethey?
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:36):
Cause I think it was just a bluff.
I think it was it did exactlywhat he was hoping it would do.
Yeah, it would make her freakout and let them in.
SPEAKER_02 (38:44):
I feel like it was a half bluff.
Like, I don't doubt it that hewould go into town and get more
and then come back.
SPEAKER_00 (38:50):
I mean, they they would have done it, and then how
vicious would that have been tomake her daughter come back and
have her see her like that?
SPEAKER_02 (38:58):
Yeah.
I mean, she already got herfucking husband taken, so yeah,
but they were all right there.
SPEAKER_03 (39:04):
So I don't know, I didn't get the impression that
he was.
SPEAKER_02 (39:07):
They literally would have been fine if they just
didn't invite them in the back.
Hello, survivors, and welcome back to another
episode of Will You Survive thePodcast.
And today we watch the movieCinners.
But before we get into that, wehave our two co-hosts.
We've got I'm Alex.
SPEAKER_03 (00:39):
I'm gonna wait.
I want a proper introductionhost.
SPEAKER_00 (00:42):
We've got the mustache king himself from Los
Angeles, California.
Welcome back to the podcast.
SPEAKER_02 (00:51):
From California zip code.
SPEAKER_03 (00:56):
Is that the German is 1839?
South South Street.
South South Street.
Everybody knows I'm from thatsouth-south.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
South?
SPEAKER_02 (01:07):
You could say you're an SS member.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
Whoa.
Part German.
He's a part of that SS clique.
SPEAKER_02 (01:18):
We can't get this wild, bro.
We can't get this wild.
Hello, Josh.
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
Hi TJ.
SPEAKER_02 (01:27):
Uh fuck you.
Kill yourself.
Said that.
Anyways.
I just wanted you guys to shutup so I started the episode.
Um, I I got that.
SPEAKER_03 (01:37):
I heard.
We were talking about toastershootles, and you cut us off.
It was a very importantconversation.
SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
It was so important.
SPEAKER_03 (01:43):
Can we get back to it actually?
SPEAKER_02 (01:45):
Today we watched the movie centers.
It is a 2024 five 2025 film fromRyan Kugler.
SPEAKER_03 (01:55):
One of those 2020s movies.
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
One of them 2020s is made in the 20s.
Um it's a great movie.
It's a vampire movie.
It's also a uh cultural moviefor me and my brethren, the
whites.
Okay.
Um and really did them wrong inthis film.
Yeah, they really did my peoplewrong in this film.
(02:18):
Uh I just think it really showsall the death and destruction
that those people caused to mypeople.
SPEAKER_03 (02:25):
You know, okay, I I've been oddly uh this is gonna
sound weird.
I I've oddly had a lot of talkabout about um slavery i in like
the media that I consume.
I just realized I watched acouple of podcast episodes that
kept referencing like HarrietTubman and the Underground
(02:46):
Railroad and slavery, and I'mlike and and then you you
suggest that we watch thismovie, which you've been saying
for a while, but it's just funnythat like I swear this week uh
is like flooded my feed.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
Which just for consistency, uh spoiler alert,
because this is a new movie,newish.
SPEAKER_03 (03:03):
Oh, it is within two years, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:04):
It's 2025.
SPEAKER_03 (03:06):
Spoiler alert.
Anything we talk about, thismovie could spoil the movie if
you haven't seen it, but I feellike a lot of people have seen
it.
You should go watch it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:15):
Not because it's good, but you know.
SPEAKER_03 (03:18):
You don't think it's good?
SPEAKER_02 (03:21):
You know, this is high key.
If you think this movie's bad,you're racist.
Um be honest.
SPEAKER_00 (03:24):
This was classic.
Only TJ would pick to watch thismovie.
SPEAKER_02 (03:30):
Only pick good movies?
I think Mr.
Cooties.
What the fuck are you talkingabout?
SPEAKER_03 (03:37):
Yeah, this is coming from the guy who picked War of
the Worlds and Cooties.
SPEAKER_00 (03:41):
This movie by far.
I would say it has to be rankeddown there like oh, I don't
know.
What would this be?
What would this be?
Uh this is probably gonna godown for me as the best vampire
(04:06):
movie.
SPEAKER_02 (04:06):
That's what I fucking thought, brother.
Dude, it brought back the oldvampire tropes where you gotta
invite them in.
Did you catch that on your firstwatch?
SPEAKER_03 (04:16):
I did, absolutely.
I mean, they make a big deal ofit.
SPEAKER_00 (04:19):
Here's here's what what blew me away about this
movie.
I will tell you from the start,the way they were going and how
long of a setup it was.
I'm sitting here thinking, oh mygod, they're like redoing
fucking from dusk till dawn.
And they absolutely did not.
(04:39):
They really made this their ownmovie, turned it into something
that felt absolutely unique.
It was it was a little too funnyto be scary.
I didn't find myself jumping atall, but but it was it was they
held the vampire tropesperfectly, they did not break
(05:00):
any rules that I was able tofind.
Granted, this was the first timeI watched it.
SPEAKER_02 (05:03):
Yeah, there was some there's some horror elements
throughout Sprinkled, but itwasn't really like a horror,
horror movie.
Like when she gets up off of himafter fucking biting his neck
out, and she's covered in bloodlike that, and her eyes are
glowing with a little twinkle.
Right.
That's that's fucking freaky.
Yeah, but it's all practical, bythe way.
(05:24):
Those are contacts, and they hada little mirror inside of them
and they would shine light athim.
SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
But they they killed it with the uh comedy
immediately after.
It's not what it looks like.
That was that was great.
SPEAKER_03 (05:36):
Yeah, I I guess so.
I I didn't really have a prop.
So okay, how do you want to dothis, TJ?
Do you have a specific way youwant to run this episode?
Or do you want to do that?
I just want to talk about one ofmy favorite movies.
SPEAKER_02 (05:48):
You can ask me questions.
I got I know a shitload aboutthis movie.
SPEAKER_03 (05:52):
Maybe unpopular opinion.
I was talking to someco-workers, and I think we all
agree.
I think it was overhyped, but Ithink the cinematography was
amazing.
It was a it's a reallywell-written film.
Um, and and I do think it's likeit's a film, it's very, it's
very good.
(06:13):
Um I do think it was a littleoverhyped.
I think it was a little silly insome parts, and then there's
some things I that I feel likemight be inconsistencies, but I
I very well could have justmissed something.
Like so the first thing is thevampires at the end.
Um Stack and I don't I don'tknow who the girl was.
SPEAKER_00 (06:34):
I forget her name.
She was Beatrice, was thatright?
SPEAKER_03 (06:37):
I I don't I don't remember, but you you know who
I'm talking about.
SPEAKER_00 (06:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (06:41):
Why didn't they kill him?
And let me preface this bysaying the the reason I'm
confused is because in the inmost of the movie the vampires
are like blood bloodthirstygoing after everybody, like
there's no discrimination, itdoesn't really seem like they're
thinking.
Are they under mind control?
SPEAKER_02 (07:02):
Is that they so it's hive minded.
SPEAKER_03 (07:05):
But and why but why was he able to make a promise
with um with smoke while the thelead vampire was still alive,
but he makes that promise not togo after him and not to go so uh
basically go after Preacher Boy?
SPEAKER_02 (07:21):
You know, so Baldurskate, Astarian, right?
Yeah, in order to become fullvampire, he has to kill his like
creator type beat.
Yeah, yeah, so it's kind of likethat.
Uh the you so you seen the scenewhen they're all fucking doing
the Irish jig and shit.
That's because of him.
(07:42):
Yeah, so it's it's like hivemind shit, but they're not under
mind control.
They kind of just likeexperience everybody's thoughts
at once, they're all connected,right?
SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
So he's he's not controlling them.
The the Cajun woman answeredthat.
She said there were two types.
The type that they were won'tdie when the lead is killed.
SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:06):
They they are on their own completely, and you
have to hunt them downindividually.
They are an entity.
Yes, and they can make their ownmind up.
SPEAKER_03 (08:16):
I get that, absolutely.
But when Smoke beat Stack, uh inthe what was it, a barn or
something?
Yeah.
Um, when Smoke beat Stack, andthis is when they must have made
the deal that he wouldn't goafter Preacher Boy, right, um
the the lead vampire wasn't deadyet.
SPEAKER_00 (08:36):
But he was already a different type of vampire.
That's what the Cajun woman was.
SPEAKER_02 (08:41):
It doesn't matter even if he was alive or
whatever.
Like he he knew like the dealwas being like made.
Like he he knew that promptbecause they're all thinking
together as one.
SPEAKER_03 (08:53):
He knows he trying to kill his brother.
SPEAKER_00 (08:55):
So why was he why was uh no?
He was trying to turn hisbrother.
SPEAKER_02 (09:00):
Yeah.
He was telling him that he likethey didn't kill anybody, they
didn't like suck anybodycompletely dry in this movie,
right?
They just turned them.
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
They turned them.
SPEAKER_03 (09:11):
Well, okay, no, what it's in the kill is that you die
when you become a vampire.
SPEAKER_02 (09:15):
It's in a it's in a I think okay, so the reason why
Ramick, main vampire, was goingafter Preacher Boy is because of
in the beginning of the movie,it says that you know, great
artists or whatever can likeopen the veil or whatever and
play across the veil orwhatever.
And Ramick is an Irish man, hegot ostracized by his people,
(09:39):
I'm pretty sure, and he'sliterally unable to go home.
So the reason he wants PreacherBoy to become a vampire is so
that he can gain his ability toplay and sing because they're
like hive mind, right?
So he just wants a little bit oflike home, you know?
That's the whole reason, andthat's why they were turning
everybody just to get to him.
SPEAKER_03 (09:59):
I I get that, yeah, I understand that.
My point is more of a semantic.
It's that it seems that Smokemade it well, Smoke made this
deal with Stack that Stackwouldn't go after Preacher Boy
since Smoke won.
They kind of allude that uh thatSmoke killed Stack, but then
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later on, obviously Stack showsup, so you know that he really
didn't.
So there's just it feels likethere's some inconsistency
because the when the the leadvampire, uh what was the name
again?
SPEAKER_00 (10:31):
Ramic.
Ramick.
SPEAKER_03 (10:33):
Ramic.
When rameck got hit over thehead with uh presumably silver
guitar, silver, yeah.
Um, and it was burning into hisskull, all of them were feeling
that pain.
Then he got stabbed in the inthe heart with a stake, all of
them felt that pain.
Now, I wonder was Stack alsofeeling that pain?
SPEAKER_00 (10:50):
It didn't show it.
SPEAKER_03 (10:51):
They didn't show.
And then when they all died ofof the sun, um, that makes sense
because obviously they all died.
It would be it would have beeninteresting to see if any of the
vampires were inside if the samething would have happened to
them, if they would have died byproxy, or if they just would
have felt all the pain, and thenonce they were dead, that they
would still be alive.
SPEAKER_00 (11:10):
In the lore, what I guess stack in the lore they all
would have died, except for theone who see he basically Ramak
unintentionally created a newstrain of vampire, and it
happens that's that's what theywere explaining in the in the
lore, and maybe it has to dowith a certain type of of strong
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personality.
So, in essence, it could be umI'm gonna try to say this.
This might be a bad analogy, butit it it would be like uh an
alpha creating another alpha,and that one can think for
himself, and everybody he turnswill then be but following.
SPEAKER_02 (11:50):
I think no, what's her name?
White bitch, Hayley Steinfeld.
What's her character's name?
Uh a quarter of a quarter blacklady, Mary, Mary, Mary, yeah,
Annie's uh smokes girl.
Um so he turned Mary first,right?
And then she bit uh stack.
So what if that has something todo with like you know, that type
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of mindset where Alpha, youknow, Alpha and then strong
personalities, they're in love,shit like that.
SPEAKER_03 (12:18):
I get the strong personalities thing.
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
It just seems like Do not think that Stack was
trying to kill Smoke for thereason like I want to kill you,
I'm I'm following this guy, butrather he was trying to turn him
because he wanted his brotherwith him.
SPEAKER_02 (12:33):
Yeah, so I think he I guess so he somewhat just
retained his some sort ofhumanity within him.
SPEAKER_00 (12:39):
I I wouldn't even call it well, I guess I guess
you're right, because at the endhe he hugged Preacher Boy and
left him.
SPEAKER_03 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, and so did so did the girl.
SPEAKER_00 (12:48):
So did Mary.
She said, see uh, what did shesay?
Uh did she call him Smalls?
What does she call him?
SPEAKER_03 (12:54):
She called him like uh Sammy, Sammy Boy or Sammy
Boy?
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
Little Sammy because she didn't call him Preacher
Boy, yeah, little Sammy.
Yeah, and that was that wasindicative that they have their
own thought, they're able to tocome up with their own their own
way of thinking, their own wayof shall I say, performing.
They're not obligated whenthey're like that that type of
vampire.
SPEAKER_03 (13:18):
It's weird, like so I g I guess you would have to
argue that the the vampirismwhat's that called?
Um there's like a name for it.
Oh well called vampirism.
SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
Vampirism is I think that's it.
SPEAKER_03 (13:30):
Yeah, that when you so w we would have to argue that
vampirism skews your mindsetinto thinking that that is the
best way.
Because I you would think thatif somebody got infected and and
still had control of theirthoughts, they would be like,
Oh, well, I'm gonna stay awayfrom from the people I love if I
can't contain myself.
I don't wanna kill them, I don'twant to do that to them.
SPEAKER_02 (13:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (13:51):
But if he had this idea, uh but I guess you could
argue that after living for solong um and not aging, uh when
Preacher Boy asked him, like, Iguess, like, how are you doing
or something?
And uh Stack was basicallysaying, like, you know, it was
uh, oh, I I loved that day.
Last time I seen the sun, I gotto feel a sunset, like, last
(14:12):
time I was with my brother.
Yeah.
So I guess maybe he grew, youknow.
SPEAKER_00 (14:17):
Okay, so you could still follow the lore if you
were to go back in time andwatch a movie called uh
Interview with a Vampire.
They held all of these tropes inthat one as well.
That was um allegedly based offof the the Bram Stoker Dracula,
the vampires.
A lot of the rules existed.
They talked about uh you cannever feed off of the dead, all
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of the the stereotypical silvergarlic.
The one thing that has alwaysbeen more of the Bram Stoker is
the the cross, the crucifix.
Uh, but even then, Dracula washe was never susceptible to the
crucifix.
And then if you follow thingslike Van Helsing, Dracula would
grab the crucifix and catch iton fire and turn it to ash.
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And it would hurt him, but hewas he wasn't afraid of it,
right?
But all of the others, all ofhis lowerlings were afraid of
it.
And the the lore has alwaysexisted that if you wanted to
rid the world of vampires, youwould have to kill Dracula,
Dracula.
He is the ultimate being, right?
(15:24):
He was the one who was made intoum he made a deal with the
devil, and the story is sowicked that he was when he was
sent to to hell after his death,that was Vlad the Impaler.
Uh, when he was sent to hellafter his death, he was so evil
that Satan made a deal with himthat he would bring him back, he
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would set him free, give himwings, but he could never be in
the daylight, and he would haveto bring as many souls with him
as he could.
So the lore in this movie isit's impeccable, uh, even to the
point where uh Stack is capableof choosing who to turn and who
(16:06):
not.
Now, you're probably right.
The fact that he withheld, hestayed away from Preacher Boy
his whole entire life, thatPreacher Boy had no idea the guy
was still alive.
That at the end, when he cameup, he's like, How?
Right?
And then he explained that Smokealmost killed him and that made
he made a deal.
You know, I guess I'm the onethat he couldn't kill, which
(16:28):
also I believe it kind ofalluded to the fact that Smoke
was still hunting them.
Is that it?
Did you get that idea?
SPEAKER_03 (16:35):
I got the impression that Smoke died.
SPEAKER_02 (16:37):
Yeah, no, Smoke died.
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
Did you once he was hallucinating, holding a baby he
didn't have?
SPEAKER_00 (16:42):
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
SPEAKER_02 (16:44):
He died, yeah.
He died.
Another just a little scene wasa big thing.
The thing before that notice.
Yes.
I so first of all, I want aprequel for the Smokestack
twins.
I would like to I don't evenneed fucking vampires in it.
I just there would they wereworking with Al Capone and shit.
They were at war, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (17:03):
Well, here's the funny thing it could totally be
a prequel with vampires becausePreacher Boy's dad knew
something.
SPEAKER_02 (17:10):
Oh, yeah.
Also, that motherfucker wasdark.
He was yeah, dude.
I have my shit on full.
Against the white background,that was crazy.
unknown (17:19):
It's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (17:20):
I liked it, but um but I was gonna say but all of
the rules, they followed all ofthe rules, they implemented all
of the rules, the the carnal andviciousness of these things was
impressive.
It was I I really do like that.
I really loved and hated howthey were so sickeningly sweet
(17:43):
at the door when Ramak and his Iwas gonna bring that up uh
earlier when we were talkingabout like the humanity within
them and like how they change orwhatever.
SPEAKER_02 (17:52):
And you can definitely see like a difference
in their demeanor and like howthey talk and shit.
Cornbread at the door, we justgotta be kind to one another,
you know.
Like he was not talking likethat beforehand, and like which
that's clearly right away ramixlike whiteness.
Um I just gotta say it, it washis whiteness coming through.
SPEAKER_03 (18:13):
Oh, so I wait, wait, wait.
SPEAKER_00 (18:15):
When you say right away, you mean when he came to
the door of the family and hewas pounding on the door saying
that some Indians, so uh whatdid he call them?
Chippewa?
Was it Chippewa or Chalky?
Choctaw Choctaw.
SPEAKER_02 (18:28):
I think it was Choctaw.
SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
That they were after him, and he was like, There
ain't been no what are wetalking about?
What?
There ain't been no Indians herewhen the when Ramack first came
to the house and the Indians didcome looking for him, they're
like, he's not what you think heis.
SPEAKER_03 (18:43):
Oh no, I didn't know that right away.
No.
Whoa, well, okay.
When when they said um uh he'snot what you think he is, and if
he is in there, we need to do weneed to act right away.
I did have this thought, becauseI know what the movie's about
about vampires.
I knew that already going intoit.
So I was like, oh, maybe that'sa vampire.
SPEAKER_00 (19:02):
I'll tell you what, I thought it was the Indian.
Motherfucker was the Indian.
SPEAKER_03 (19:05):
I didn't trust the Indian.
SPEAKER_02 (19:07):
You didn't see the burns.
SPEAKER_03 (19:09):
I didn't.
He was toast.
I did, and I thought it wasweird, but I didn't think he
wasn't fully burning because thesun wasn't all the way.
SPEAKER_02 (19:17):
It was like almost down, and that's why he was
still alive.
SPEAKER_03 (19:20):
Oh man.
SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
Wow, no, I missed that.
Yeah, I know.
He was running from him.
SPEAKER_02 (19:25):
He just clicked you fucking.
SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
Good catch.
That means that they had himlocked up somewhere.
SPEAKER_02 (19:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:29):
Um see, because they could have just undid him right
there in the sunlight, but theywere keeping him alive for
several years.
SPEAKER_03 (19:36):
So would you call a vampire a demon?
Or is it it's just like a ghoul,like a separate?
SPEAKER_00 (19:42):
It's it's it's a uh it's a a humanoid, it wouldn't
be a demon.
Demons are not humans.
SPEAKER_02 (19:49):
And I think it's in like lore that they just they
don't have their soul, they justinstantly go to hell.
SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
Yeah, like they're doomed, they're their soul has
been departed, right?
SPEAKER_02 (19:58):
Aren't I dunno.
Y'all are the the Jesus y folksin here.
Do demons have souls?
Are they souls?
SPEAKER_03 (20:06):
So angels don't have souls either.
SPEAKER_00 (20:07):
So I'll tell you, I'll tell you, no, they're
they're spirits, yeah.
They're a spirit, so they'remade up of what you would call
spiritual matter.
But here's the interestingthought it's not whether a demon
is or isn't, but what is ademon, right?
What is an angel?
Because the word angel only inits original wording just means
messenger.
That's it.
(20:28):
It's not, you know, what is thisthing that we've created?
We call them angels in theBible.
They call them seraphims and uhBe not afraid.
SPEAKER_03 (20:37):
The other one seraphim and uh cherubim,
cherubim and seraphim, and thenthere's a couple more literally
that is literally my favoritething in the Bible is it it
describes the most horrifying,terrifying creature you've ever
seen in your life just appearingin in front of these people and
then going, Be not afraid, whatdo you mean?
SPEAKER_00 (20:59):
There you go.
So what um what I would posit isnot demons, right?
Because I do believe in demonicpossession, if you will, but we
use that term even, even I usethat uh loosely and probably
incorrectly, because what we'reactually talking about is most
likely the watchers, which wereangelic beings, came down and
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mated with the women of Earth,they call them the daughters of
Eve.
They had offspring.
The offspring were uh calledNephilim, and they were
apparently so giant and uhcarnivorous that they were
eating the flesh of men.
And that was if you've ever readlike the uh epic of Gilgamesh,
there's there's multiple uhcultures across the world that
(21:47):
were never in communication witheach other that all say the same
the same story, if you will.
And it's a fascinating tale, butnow God sends the flood, kills
all of these Nephilim, butthey're part human, which is a
soul.
So I feel like so they would bespirits walking the earth.
So the question that I wouldposit is what if those are what
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we always think?
Like I think of those, thosedeparted spirits, skinwalkers,
mimics, we call them Bigfoot,uh, all of these cryptids, um,
black-eyed children, all of allof these stories that we have
could very easily be answered bythese departed spirits.
SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
Also, I'd like to say that like if the vampires
immediately lose their soul,wouldn't they just be like
husks?
You know?
I feel essentially they are.
We're trying to like figure outwhat a vampire is.
I feel like they're just a husk.
SPEAKER_03 (22:41):
Well, that's where I'm kind of confused with like
he says it's a corrupted soul.
Why yeah, I see that would makemore sense to me because to say
that it's a husk would wouldkind of at least you would have
to say sinners doesn't followthat.
Because if it's just a husk,then it would be mindless and it
wouldn't care, and it wouldn'tmake a deal with its brother to
not go after a certain person ifit was just a husk.
(23:02):
So at least in sinners thatcan't be the case.
SPEAKER_00 (23:04):
That's where I think that's where I think all of
them.
WIS vampire.
SPEAKER_02 (23:08):
Yeah, they're they're a husk.
I think all of them the reasonthey're drinking blood is to try
to gain back a soul.
SPEAKER_00 (23:13):
Well, that's interesting.
That's a very interesting pointbecause even biblically it says
uh in I'm I'm gonna I'm gonnaparaphrase it, but the life of
the flesh is in the blood, andthe the life of flesh is the
soul.
Once the soul is departed, we'vealready examined the zombies.
A zombie is a human without asoul, it's it's a lifeless husk.
SPEAKER_03 (23:34):
So, but what about certain zombie movies that have
stated that you're still there?
You're trapped, like the cure,right?
Like you're trapped inside.
SPEAKER_00 (23:44):
See, honestly, that's why I have so
consistently been against thatthat thought.
It is such a horrible thought.
SPEAKER_03 (23:50):
That your soul is corrupted, but you're trapped
inside.
SPEAKER_00 (23:53):
I do think that's a great point for vampires.
If Maddie just said that, I'mI'm actually on Maddie's side.
It's a corrupted soul.
SPEAKER_03 (24:01):
That's why I said I agree with that.
SPEAKER_00 (24:03):
I think that makes a lot of sense because that would
be it's always trying to winits, if you will, if you'll
allow me, TJ, on this.
Uh it's trying to win itssalvation back, but it's
impossible.
You never can.
And that would be very that's aa very good point that you made,
that it's constantly drinkingthe blood trying to regain that
(24:24):
that salvation that that anuncorrupted soul would have.
That you just blew my freakingmind right now.
SPEAKER_03 (24:31):
That yeah, I think I agree with that.
SPEAKER_00 (24:33):
I really like this movie.
SPEAKER_03 (24:34):
It's a it's a fucking great movie.
SPEAKER_02 (24:36):
Did you notice the fact that um but I'm gonna
disagree with Eric and hisco-workers?
SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
I honestly cannot say that this movie was
overhyped.
I think it was way underdonefrom my perspective, just my
perspective.
SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
Not to bring race in or anything, but every time
there's like a black movie, youknow, we get excited.
Uh, everybody's like, oh, it'soverhyped, like fucking Black
Panther or fucking nope, getout.
SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
See, I you know I didn't think I cannot say that.
I cannot say I this is just mysubjective opinion.
I didn't know a single person.
This isn't saying much because Idon't know a lot, but I didn't
know a single person who everthought anything negative about
Black Panther.
And in all honesty, that's whatI was.
I thought that was my that wasmy favorite movie, and I'm gonna
(25:24):
I'm gonna be blunt about this.
This this is gonna hurt somepeople's feelings.
Very unpopular opinion.
I cannot stand when Disney makeslike they take a role that was a
Nordic, white, red-haired girland turns it into a black
character that doesn't makesense to me.
(25:45):
Gingers have have gingers keepplaying.
SPEAKER_02 (25:47):
Yeah, I don't know why that's a thing.
It's also a thing that blacksuperheroes have electric
powers, but then you have thingslike like Black Panther.
SPEAKER_00 (25:57):
Yeah, that's a role that was specifically created
for the he was always anAfrican.
That made perfect sense.
Then you have um one of myfavorites, it's Halloween time,
one of my favorite movies.
I watched this because it putsme to sleep so quickly.
I love it so much.
It's a comfort movie.
Is uh The Haunted Mansion, thenew one.
(26:19):
Uh again, made perfect sense tocreate a role for a black
character, and I can't standthat they take these roles that
don't exist, that don't makeanything, and they do the same
thing to Mexicans or Latinos ingeneral.
SPEAKER_02 (26:35):
Did you know you have your own through though?
It's the white tiger in Marvel.
Not even joking.
He gets his power from a fuckingamulet that's has like a fucking
Aztec god in it or something.
I ain't white.
Yeah, no, the white tiger, he'sMexican.
Oh, is he really?
Yeah, don't make sense.
They couldn't say the fuckingbrown tiger.
SPEAKER_00 (26:56):
I mean, that would have been cool.
I'm the brown tiger, Holmes.
There are there there arecharacters that are.
There are characters that I'veread, and uh one of the things
about the the characters thatjust drives me nuts is there are
so many historic Latinos andLatinas that are are freaking
heroic.
(27:16):
And you can make your own damnstory about them that this would
be a riveting tale that would reducate people on the Hispanic
community that most of us didn'tlearn about these people.
SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
Yeah, that's why we need more directors like Ryan
Kugler and we need the Hollywoodbusiness to allow such movies to
happen.
Because Ryan Kugler is also theman who made Black Panther and
uh a bunch of other greatmovies.
We need original characters foryou know, I I agree.
SPEAKER_03 (27:52):
That's also what I think with like uh with female
characters where they they justlove to make a female version of
every superhero, and you'relike, just make a new one.
Listen, I love I love BlackWidow, that's a unique
character.
Yeah, uh, I love Gene Gray,that's a unique character.
SPEAKER_00 (28:09):
Uh the Scarlet Witch?
SPEAKER_03 (28:10):
Scar I Scarlet Witch is literally my I only
downloaded Marvel Rivals to be aScarlet Witch main, and I am.
And it I didn't even know whather abilities were.
I was just like I'm gonna playScarlet Witch.
SPEAKER_02 (28:21):
If you're a comic book nerd and you got angry that
the Silver Surfer in the new onewas a woman, she's literally in
the comics.
That's the wife of the SilverSurfer.
Just wanted to point that out.
SPEAKER_00 (28:31):
I don't know enough about the comics.
I I I did get mad because the OGCaptain Marvel, like they didn't
even introduce Captain Marveluntil it was a a woman which was
decades into the comic.
So I was like, okay, well,thanks for that.
SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
So so when does Batman fight Thanos?
No, they got when's thecrossover happen?
SPEAKER_02 (28:56):
You got like lasers that can move up and down and
shit.
Kind of stupid.
Back to centers.
SPEAKER_03 (29:03):
Batman with prep time versus Thanos.
Thoughts?
Uh no.
SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
Batman with prep time?
What prep is he doing to battleThanos?
SPEAKER_03 (29:12):
Well, that's the thing with Batman.
Well, the thing is he has winanything with prep time.
SPEAKER_00 (29:15):
Yeah, no.
Because he beats Superman?
Yeah.
Okay, no, that's the realquestion.
SPEAKER_02 (29:20):
Superman versus Thanos?
He got training from monks.
That's all he needs.
Batman?
Yeah, dude, that so ain'ttechnique.
Doctor Strange got trained by awhite lady, a bald white lady,
and he's made Yeah, but Batmandoesn't need a gay ring to give
him his power.
SPEAKER_03 (29:36):
Yeah.
He has capitalism on his teeth.
SPEAKER_02 (29:38):
Yeah, but what about Superman?
There's a comic where he'sfighting the establishment as
the press, but he's one of myfavorite Batman comics is where
um he literally creates a robotcalled Failsafe, or if he ever
kills somebody, like if Batmanever kills like anybody, he
(29:58):
created a robot to stop.
Stop him, right?
And this robot proceeds to beatliterally everybody's ass in the
Justice League, and Batman isfighting it the entire fucking
comic.
Literally, he gets flown intospace, falls down to Earth,
somehow survives.
Regular ass man, by the way.
Batman's just OP for no fuckingreason.
unknown (30:21):
That's true.
SPEAKER_03 (30:21):
That's kind of like okay, that kind of reminds me of
Squirrel Girl's whole thing.
We're really off of Sinnersright now, but Squirrel Girl,
her whole shtick is she alwayswins.
Yeah.
That's her shtick.
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
She beat Thanos Squirrel Girl.
SPEAKER_03 (30:35):
She's a Marvel character.
Apparently she beat Thanos byherself.
Because she just always wins.
That's what she's doing.
She's a baddie.
unknown (30:40):
What?
SPEAKER_00 (30:41):
So back to Sinners.
Did you notice that?
SPEAKER_02 (30:45):
So Stanis versus Rakim.
Yeah, Stack always rolls smokehis cigarettes because smoke has
tremors from the war.
And that's why at the end of theday, he's trying to roll the
cigarette and he's shaking.
He can't roll.
SPEAKER_00 (31:00):
Okay.
I thought that was I thoughtthat was the uh the fear of of
what had happened.
SPEAKER_02 (31:06):
No, he I had no idea.
He's a cold-blooded killer.
It's just like tremors from thewar.
SPEAKER_00 (31:11):
See, that was the other reason why I thought that
it went the way it went.
Um the twins knew that they wereboth damned already.
That that was their joke.
Right?
Go to hell.
I'll save you a seat or I'llI'll save you a room.
SPEAKER_02 (31:27):
Yeah, the stole money from Al Capone.
SPEAKER_00 (31:30):
So they both knew that this was what this was
their end result.
We're going to hell.
So it wasn't like they wereafraid of being damned.
SPEAKER_02 (31:39):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (31:39):
So when the brother was like, hey, we're gonna live
forever like this, and Stackwent after Smoke for that, it
was like, nah, I'm gonna turnyou.
We're gonna be we're gonna betogether like this forever.
Smoke put up a fight.
Nah, I ain't going out likethis.
I'm not even gonna be there.
SPEAKER_02 (31:53):
They're the same age because they're twins, maybe
like minutes apart or whatever.
Yep.
Um smoke has always been theolder brother.
And uh, I don't know if youcaught it, yeah, but when he
asked Preacher Boy if his dadbeats him, he was asking him
that because when Smoke andStacks dad was beating on them,
(32:14):
Smoke killed him.
So that's also a detail.
SPEAKER_00 (32:17):
There's a lot of death in that.
SPEAKER_02 (32:18):
And that the guitar that he got, um, that's right.
That's from his father.
SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
Sell that guitar.
No, that's a lie.
That's our daddies.
SPEAKER_02 (32:26):
But that's why he really he couldn't kill his
little brother.
SPEAKER_00 (32:29):
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (32:31):
He's been protected this whole time.
SPEAKER_03 (32:32):
I knew this the second one of them got bit.
I I already knew it.
I was like, fuck, this is that'sobviously gonna be something.
Uh, because for a half second,I'm like, damn, they're gonna
kill off one of the qu one ofthe twins, and I was like,
there's no way.
So they didn't do all that workjust to play by one guy.
SPEAKER_00 (32:49):
That's interesting.
SPEAKER_03 (32:50):
Yeah, it that's it's like uh when Will Smith played
that what what was it, Gemini?
It's pretty cool that they candouble, but I guess you know,
Disney Channel.
SPEAKER_02 (32:59):
No, but like they they made some like act like
they they made up some likestuff in order to be able to do
like because he's not doing ithow like Parent Track did it,
where they film him twodifferent times.
There's a body double and thenthey're digitally editing his
head on it, but then he alsofilms as like he filmed both
parts, but it's you know, so hecan like hand him a cigarette
(33:21):
and shit.
It's pretty cool, you know,stuff.
That's sick.
SPEAKER_00 (33:26):
So nerdy vet actually uh said in the in the
chat, one backstabbed theItalians and the other
backstabbed.
Now I did catch this.
He backstabbed somebody.
I didn't know if it was theHispanics or the Asians, I don't
know who he backstabbed, butclearly that was made relevant
when the woman figured it outand was like, You're pitting
them against each other.
(33:46):
They're gonna think each otherdid it, which made perfect
sense, which is why they theyblew town.
And then wasn't that uh was thatStaxwoman?
No, um, that was Smoke SSmokeswoman.
SPEAKER_03 (33:58):
Annie?
SPEAKER_00 (33:58):
Yeah, Annie who said uh is Chicago done with you?
Was that right?
Am I saying that right?
Was that who said that?
SPEAKER_03 (34:04):
I don't remember.
SPEAKER_00 (34:05):
He said, We're done, we're done with Chicago.
Yeah, but is Chicago done withyou?
SPEAKER_03 (34:10):
Gotcha.
Like, do you still owe Chicagocoming to look for?
SPEAKER_00 (34:13):
Yeah, no, they stole from Capone.
SPEAKER_03 (34:15):
So that is Yeah, because uh uh the question was
like, Oh, you guys made it toChicago, you guys were there,
you guys talk so highly of it.
Why are you back?
SPEAKER_00 (34:24):
They they know yeah, uh what was it?
They know Jim Crow in Chicago,yeah, yeah, it's no different,
it's just taller buildings.
SPEAKER_02 (34:32):
Yeah, Capone got caught by the fucking IRS.
Ain't that a bitch?
SPEAKER_00 (34:37):
So that was a very interesting point of this was
their interaction with the worldand each other.
Of course, we didn't knowanything about their interaction
with the world.
That would be that would be aninteresting story to tell.
But now one of the other uh howwould I how would I point it
out?
So in their dealings, the thebrothers being uh what they are,
(35:01):
Preacher Boy was already makinghis uh exit, if you will.
He already said that he wasgonna go away, right?
He was done.
That was his first and lastnight doing this.
But now, at what point did uhdid the brothers already know
what was going down with the uhthe clan, if you will?
(35:22):
Yeah.
So before they did before thethe vampires came and told him
what was happening.
So basically the vampires toldeverybody else what the plan was
that though that the man whosold them the place was gonna
come back and kill them.
SPEAKER_02 (35:36):
Yeah, and they already knew they say they said
don't come back here with any ofyour clan buddies, or well
fucked you out.
SPEAKER_00 (35:42):
That ending was dark for that very reason.
SPEAKER_02 (35:45):
This was badass though.
SPEAKER_00 (35:47):
That he came out, and and see that was the other
thing.
I don't think he was gonna hedidn't want to go out as a
vampire, he didn't want to liveforever.
SPEAKER_03 (35:54):
No, but his his woman died, and no, he went out
killing racists, but he wasgonna go, he knew he was gonna
go back to the room.
Here's my here's my thought.
I think that was a pretty greatAmerican moment right there.
Yeah, you shouldn't be on myproperty, you're on my property
threatening me.
SPEAKER_00 (36:11):
There's consequences I have a lot of money.
SPEAKER_02 (36:17):
Yeah, he was like he just interrupted me, bro.
And the fuck the screaming whilehe's doing it, too.
Help me out here.
Satisfying.
SPEAKER_00 (36:25):
So nerdy says uh help me out, TJ.
Nerdy says the twins' clotheshave meaning too.
Do you do you know what he meansby that?
I am not familiar with I okay.
The blue means ties to thespiritual being a vampire, red
means blood being unalived.
SPEAKER_02 (36:44):
Oh yeah.
No, I know there's meaning, andthey they do dress very like
differently.
Um, I don't got that off the topof my head though.
I'm not that much of a nerd.
SPEAKER_00 (36:53):
Um that's what nerdy says.
The blue means ties to thespiritual being a vampire, red
means blood being unalived.
So they were wearing telling usthe whole way through.
SPEAKER_02 (37:03):
Did Smoke die after he took off his mojo bag?
He took it off, right?
He had a bag hanging around hisneck that his wife made him.
It's a mojo bag, is to keep himsafe.
I'm pretty sure he took it off,and then that's when he died,
and that's why he died.
SPEAKER_00 (37:18):
See, I didn't see I didn't see him wearing anything
when he went out in Blaze ofGlory.
SPEAKER_03 (37:24):
He was just in a tank top.
SPEAKER_00 (37:25):
Yeah, that tank top on, that was all I saw him in.
He wasn't carrying anything onhis own.
SPEAKER_03 (37:29):
What he did before he he took the baby was he put
out the cigarette.
SPEAKER_00 (37:33):
That was you put that out and I'll let you hold
her.
I don't want her smelling ofthat.
And then that fucking guy, hesee, you didn't know he probably
would have just laid there anddied if that man wouldn't have
said, I have a lot of money.
He took him out of his delusionwith his baby.
SPEAKER_03 (37:52):
Well, that's what I mean.
He was like, Oh, youinterrupted.
Well, take the rest of thisclip.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:58):
Oh, that was wild.
SPEAKER_03 (37:59):
But yeah, they never show him die, but they they
heavily insinuate.
SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
And I will I will also show you the other thing I
he took it off and then he died.
The other thing that I loved wasa nice detail.
The other thing that I lovedabout it was the uh the fact
that all of those vampires, Imean, well, okay, let me say
this was a love-haterelationship that I had.
I just got so angry at that ladywho just screamed out and
(38:28):
welcomed the water.
SPEAKER_02 (38:30):
But then they were gonna go to town and f fucking
kill her daughter, so but werethey?
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:36):
Cause I think it was just a bluff.
I think it was it did exactlywhat he was hoping it would do.
Yeah, it would make her freakout and let them in.
SPEAKER_02 (38:44):
I feel like it was a half bluff.
Like, I don't doubt it that hewould go into town and get more
and then come back.
SPEAKER_00 (38:50):
I mean, they they would have done it, and then how
vicious would that have been tomake her daughter come back and
have her see her like that?
SPEAKER_02 (38:58):
Yeah.
I mean, she already got herfucking husband taken, so yeah,
but they were all right there.
SPEAKER_03 (39:04):
So I don't know, I didn't get the impression that
he was.
SPEAKER_02 (39:07):
They literally would have been fine if they just
didn't invite them in the back.
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