December 12, 2025 • 42 mins
Fifty boys, three miles per hour, and a country that turns suffering into spectacle. We sat down with Stephen King’s The Long Walk and followed the road past rules and warnings into the messy questions beneath: who we become under pressure, what we owe our friends, and whether victory means anything when the system owns the prize.
We start with the bones of the story—a near-future police state, televised cruelty, and a “voluntary” contest that looks a lot like a draft. From there, we compare the book’s ravenous crowds with the film’s desolate highways and surveillance lens, and the effect that choice has on tone. The early deaths strip away any pretense of sport, and our debate widens: is the pace a physical trial or a psychological siege? Can you outwalk pain, or only postpone sleep?
Characters carry the heart. We wrestle with Balkovich—antagonist, outcast, and a portrait of how isolation curdles into harm. Then there’s Pete, a quiet anchor whose empathy reframes the odds, treating each death as a loss rather than a step toward winning. Along the way we tackle the wish at the end of the Walk: what can money never buy, and why do the rules forbid the only changes that would matter? Our argument peaks on the ending—was the final sacrifice noble or selfish, protective love or a theft of agency—and what that implies about vengeance, healing, and the long shadow of war.
If you like moral dilemmas, survival strategy, and sharp book-to-film contrasts, this one goes deep. Tap play, then tell us: what would your wish be, and did the winner truly win? Subscribe, share with a friend who loves King, and leave a review with your take on the final scene—we’ll feature the best replies next week.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:24):
Hello, survivors, and welcome back to another
episode of Will You Survive?
And today I am TJ, and we arejoined by our two guest stars
that are never here.
I'm Alex.
Oh, and I'm Peglek Joe.
And I'm gonna stop with thatvoice because it's hurting my
throat.
Uh we watched The Long Walk.
(00:45):
Uh, it is a very good movie.
Yeah, it's pretty much it.
Uh, thank you all for the video.
Well, great episode, guys.
Yeah.
Nice and concise.
I like these episodes.
It's a good movie.
I would not survive.
None of us would survive.
And thank you for watching.
Yeah.
We watched The Long Walk.
Stephen King uh made this.
(01:06):
It is an analogy for the VietnamWar.
SPEAKER_00 (01:12):
What?
It is.
Okay.
Can I can I say uh I want I dowant to get to that because I
don't see I I believe you, but Idon't understand that.
SPEAKER_02 (01:22):
That's a direct quote by Stephen King.
SPEAKER_00 (01:24):
I well, oh, the whole volunteer thing, but like
you're not actuallyvolunteering.
SPEAKER_02 (01:29):
The d yeah, drafting.
SPEAKER_00 (01:30):
Yeah.
It's like everybody volunteers,but it wasn't re you didn't
really volunteer.
If everybody volunteers and youdidn't volunteer.
Yeah.
Uh so okay, I do get that.
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
And in the book, it was a hundred people.
SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
This movie was holy crap.
Um, I had a very stressfulmorning.
Uh, I had a very long day.
Uh, it was not a great day atwork, and then I had a lot to do
before this uh before I watchedthis movie.
And then I sit down after a longass day and I watch this movie,
and I ball my eyes out like ababy.
Because what the hell?
You could have watched this.
(02:01):
It's a rough movie, guys.
Two weeks ago.
SPEAKER_01 (02:04):
Yeah, I could I could have, but you really could
have, and you didn't.
That's not how we do this.
We could have shared the trauma,but I had already been
traumatized.
I rewatched it today.
I still felt something about it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
See, that's not good because I'm seeing a girl, and I
was thinking, she doesn't likehorror, but I kind of told her
about this movie, and I'm like,it's not really like a scary
movie like that.
I'm almost curious if she'd beinterested in it.
But I also don't want to crylike a baby in front of her this
soon, so probably not.
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
I feel like she wouldn't want to see a bunch of
uh teenagers get shot in theface.
SPEAKER_00 (02:37):
I I think the worst part was the uh the tank running
over the legs.
SPEAKER_02 (02:41):
I'm with you, TJ.
SPEAKER_01 (02:42):
So um if you guys have heard of the long walk, uh
Alex is gonna give a synopsis.
SPEAKER_02 (02:48):
And first I'm gonna say spoiler alerts ahead.
From Stephen King's officialsite, in the near future, where
America has become a policestate, 100 boys are selected to
enter an annual contest wherethe winner will be awarded
whatever he wants for the restof his life.
The game is simple maintain asteady walking pace of at least
three miles per hour withoutstopping.
(03:10):
Three warnings, and you're outpermanently.
SPEAKER_01 (03:13):
Yeah, so basically, hunger games.
Um basically one teenager fromevery state, so much better.
They all sign up, allegory forwar, um, and then they just
fucking walk.
And if you go below three milesper hour, you get a warning.
If you can't get back up, twowarnings, and then you get your
(03:33):
ticket.
SPEAKER_00 (03:34):
That is a brisk walking pace.
SPEAKER_01 (03:36):
That is in the book, it was four miles per hour.
SPEAKER_00 (03:39):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (03:40):
So you see how to hustling in the movie.
Imagine like a light jog.
Yeah, that is crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (03:46):
So, first of all, let's let's talk about the fact
that in this movie they get upto like how many miles?
Uh is it like 300?
SPEAKER_02 (03:54):
300 and was it 66?
SPEAKER_00 (03:57):
They got up to like almost 400.
That is absolutely insane.
How so TJ asked me this questionearlier.
How many miles do we think wecould go?
SPEAKER_02 (04:07):
Oh no.
SPEAKER_01 (04:09):
I I by mile 10, I'm cooked.
No, no, uh realistic.
SPEAKER_02 (04:18):
Hang on, I was.
I'm not going 24 hours.
I'm not going 24 hours.
SPEAKER_00 (04:21):
Okay, see, that's that's what I think.
That's what he said.
I said by the time the nighttimehits, I die.
Where whatever the mileage isthere, it's not the distance.
Yeah, so it's not the distancebecause I think it is a mental
game.
Yeah.
I think after unless like yourankle's broken, there's like a
certain point where it's justlike, oh yeah, my feet hurt, but
just keep walking.
Right.
You know, like you kind of justturn off that pain.
(04:42):
The same thing with like cold,where you get, you know, you
ever been so cold that you'rejust kind of like, all right,
that's it.
I'm I'm done being cold.
Yes.
And then you just kind of arelike it that's such a like a
high way of saying it, but youjust kind of tune it out.
I think you could do that withwalking, but I can't do that
with sleep.
SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
First death, dude, was under he was like, because
you in the movie, it's 18.
You're supposed to be 18 to doit.
He uh was not, clearly.
And uh the it's not fair, andthen that's the first like thing
you see, like the first deathyou see.
That's that fucks you up alittle bit.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
Well, I think that was the moment where they
realized, like, oh, this isn'tfun anymore.
Like it got really real, reallyquick.
SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
Yeah, like uh at one point he says, like, you know, I
was expecting like them to pullthe gun on us, and then they'll
pull the trigger and likeconfetti and a piece of paper
comes out that says bang.
Yeah, you're right.
It it was not like that.
SPEAKER_00 (05:42):
I I don't think I don't like I think they they
went into it with like this thisidea that that it wasn't what
they said it was, and then itended up being exactly what they
said it was.
Right.
And the thing is like they knewbecause this has happened this
happens what every year.
SPEAKER_01 (05:56):
It has happened for 19 years at this point.
SPEAKER_00 (05:59):
So they know they know it's not like they don't
know, but like broadcasting,it's just it's it becomes so
real so quick where they'relike, oh, this isn't just
something on TV and the otherthing.
SPEAKER_01 (06:09):
In the book, this is people very real the whole time,
like on the sidelines just tolike Which that's awful.
I don't think I can cheeringthem on, or like going in and
grabbing like a fucking souvenirof somebody's like sneaker that
fell off or like whatever.
And that's that's what happensin the book.
But I like what they did in themovie because the the
(06:30):
desolateness of everything kindof makes it it feel it feels
more lonely and they're kind ofjust like you know and the
camera on the the camera on thevehicle, the the lens rather,
the lens on the vehicle thatyou're like what do you say,
what if I spit on it, would itgo away?
SPEAKER_02 (06:47):
There were there were several very impactful
moments of this movie.
The first death, of course, theaftermath of the fight between
uh what was his n what was hisname?
Balkovich.
Yeah, yeah, and oh god, he washe was awful, but his
desperation at the end to likefit in.
SPEAKER_00 (07:10):
I've I felt so bad.
SPEAKER_02 (07:12):
Like it was it was the humanization of such a a a
monster, right?
SPEAKER_00 (07:17):
Like what I I I when I say I feel bad, it's like I
feel bad because it's somethingwhere it's like you put yourself
in this situation, dude.
Like you made yourself enemynumber one, and now you're
regretting your choices, and Idon't even know if I can believe
you.
Like, do you actually need thiscamaraderie right now?
Do you actually feel resentfulor do you feel like this is just
(07:38):
a way for you to survive?
SPEAKER_02 (07:39):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:40):
Like because you know you're not gonna survive
without people right now.
SPEAKER_02 (07:43):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (07:43):
Yeah, no, it his character is pretty much the
same in the book, uh, where hejust did not have any friends in
school, and uh kind of just actsout to get attention because he
thinks that's what's the bestthing to do.
SPEAKER_00 (07:56):
Like the stabbing himself in the throat in front
of all of them.
I'm like, why traumatize thedudes that you just called your
friends?
Why why do it do it to thesoldiers behind you?
SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
What did he say when he did that?
He was like, So I'm now now I'mgonna be with you bitches
forever or something.
SPEAKER_00 (08:11):
Something like that.
Now I'm gonna be like, it it itis that is a perfect example of
hurt people hurt people.
Like he's hurt, he's uh he'sbeen hurt in his past clearly,
and he never coped with it, andnow he just traumatizes them in
a moment where if they're trulyyour friends, you don't want to
do anything to to what what whatis that?
What am I trying to say?
You don't want to do anythingthat's gonna make them lose
(08:32):
their focus or or feel a certainway in this intense moment.
Can we talk about how absolutelywise Pete was the entire time
and how much I feel like I'velearned about life from this
fucking movie?
SPEAKER_02 (08:45):
I I I liked him.
He I liked him a lot and like aperfect human.
Yeah, no, he was hurt as hurt ashe was, he had a positive
outlook on everything.
I mean, his parents dying, hegets raised by an abusive
a-hole, he and then watches himdie, and then watches him die,
(09:08):
and then somebody tries to killhim, and then he's still in
person.
SPEAKER_00 (09:12):
No, yeah, and he goes, It was me.
I did it.
I I'm the reason that they didthat because I picked a fight
with them.
And I his whole outlook on lifeuh of just always trying to find
that that light, it was awesome.
I loved the way I lit by abouthalfway through the movie, I
started looking to him as like,how should I be feeling in this
moment towards this person?
(09:34):
Like when Balkovich went toGarrety and was saying, like, I
just need I just need likefriends, you know, like I just
need people.
I I was less so thinking aboutwhat is Garretti doing, and I
was thinking, what does Petethink about this?
Because if Pete was like, fuckthis guy, then I would have been
like, then fuck this guy.
But if Pete was like, hey man,let me help you, I'd be like,
(09:54):
okay, then we need to help thisguy.
I started looking to him aslike, Well, what should we be
doing in this situation?
What is the right thing to dohere?
Because you seem to know everystep of the way you've done the
right thing.
Even when Gardy on in the firstnight told him off and basically
called him a piece of shit, waslike, You just want to see me
die.
And then it in a moment where Ithink so many people would have
(10:16):
been like, Then fuck that guy,I'm trying to help him, and he's
doing this to me.
Like, fuck this guy.
W when Garrety was struggling,Pete came up behind him and
said, No, man, let's go.
And he kept him going.
And that moment where Garretywas like, I didn't mean that,
man.
You know I didn't mean that.
And he goes, I know, I know youdidn't mean that.
And it's just that was just sucha beautiful character all the
way through.
SPEAKER_01 (10:36):
And when when uh Balkovich like is about to you
know stab himself in the neck,um like he he Peter went from
like I wanna see your brains onthe concrete to like he cared
when he was doing that.
He was like, dude, don't dothat, you know.
(10:57):
Like he gave a shit.
He he had like he still had amoral compass throughout all
this, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (11:03):
And he he kept like his beliefs he embodied a
phrase, love your enemies.
And he, you know, he took careof the ones who would have seen
him, they would have been happyto see him go down the way the
way Bakovich kept saying, uh uhthe odds are in our favor,
right?
Every time someone else woulddie, but Peter would always look
(11:27):
at it the other way, right?
It was always a negative when welost one more.
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
Yeah.
I I I I loved his outlook on it,and I I think in a situation
where it's so easy to toostracize yourself and try to
create distance to make iteasier on yourself.
I think he realized that this isimpossible if you don't have
someone you can lean on.
(11:53):
There's just no chance you'reever gonna make it if you don't
have someone to lean on.
SPEAKER_02 (11:57):
So Big Daddy Mo asks a great question for us, if you
don't mind me asking this host.
Uh what would you wish for?
SPEAKER_00 (12:06):
I was thinking about that.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (12:08):
Uh I think so, like they they were talking about it
in the movie where it's like,you know, why would you wish for
something that you could justpay for?
So you'd really just you'd haveto think about like you know,
what can't money buy?
SPEAKER_00 (12:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:24):
You know?
SPEAKER_00 (12:24):
And and that's kind of a hard one because all the
things that I would immediatelythink of, like what can't money
buy, would be things that Iwouldn't want to just be given
because it wouldn't meananything if it was just given.
SPEAKER_02 (12:36):
I will say this though, they don't go into it in
the movie and they actuallybypass it when the um major was
standing up there and saying,Um, we're not gonna go through
the rule book one one by one,but one of the things that the
book describes, and they alludeto it later, they say it
quickly, that you can't ask foranything that are uh blatantly
(12:58):
political.
SPEAKER_00 (12:58):
Yeah, yeah.
I think that what was the whatwas the Asian guy's name?
The one who was married, Ithink.
Uh Hank.
Hank.
Uh Hank was uh saying that hewas like, you can't wish for
policy, man.
SPEAKER_02 (13:10):
And one of the one of the things about it is like,
because I think this would goright down that line of policy,
which would be my wish if Icould, would be uh indefinite
and absolute immunity.
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
Well you mean like from from the government, from
the state.
Oh, so that you could preachwhatever you wanted to preach.
SPEAKER_02 (13:31):
But see, that's a policy.
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
Yeah, but see what would be hard with that is even
if they allowed you to do that,that is going to get so many
people killed.
All right, for listening to me.
For listening to you, even ifthey can't touch me.
Even though, even if peoplerationalize it to you that no,
you're doing the right thing.
We want this, we want to standwith you.
I'm willing to die for this.
You're still going to feel likeI am causing all these people to
(13:54):
die by my actions.
SPEAKER_01 (13:55):
Hear me out.
SPEAKER_00 (13:56):
And I think that's a tough thing to live with.
SPEAKER_01 (13:58):
I got it.
I got I got what will ultimatelytake down the government and
change everybody's views in inthis universe.
Imagine it.
Eric dead behind me.
I'm the last one walking, right?
Major walks up to me.
What do you want?
You know what I want?
I want you butt ass naked so Ican blow your back out real
quick in front of all thecameras from the whole world.
(14:19):
I want it everybody seriously.
You know, that's that's a goodpoint because who would take
this man seriously anymore?
SPEAKER_02 (14:26):
That's right.
That's not a policy change.
That would be a carnal desirethat you could justify.
That's not a policy change, butit would change policy.
Two honey packs.
Two blue chews.
SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
Three honey packs, two blue chews, a whole bunch of
electrolytes, and a niceblanket.
SPEAKER_00 (14:53):
Because the the only thing that I could think like uh
what money can't buy wouldeither be, like I said, things
that like don't mean anything ifthey're given to you.
Like you can't say, I wish for aloving wife.
Because you're not getting aloving wife.
You're getting a woman who'spaid to be your loving wife.
Right.
So like there's nothing like youcan't bring someone back from
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the dead because they have toactually be able to do it.
And it still has to be somewhatrealistic.
And then anything else that Icould really think of is like,
well, I could just buy that.
Because like something I thoughtof was like, okay, what if I
asked for what if I asked forlike a a sanctuary for animals
that is fully set up that I canrun and have staff for?
Uh, but it's like, well, I coulddo that with money.
SPEAKER_03 (15:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:35):
I I don't need the the wish for that.
If I'm getting like a cajilliondollars, like they say.
Yeah, it's like I feel like youknow, there's just I can't think
of any good wish that money justwouldn't buy, besides just like
I guess more money.
SPEAKER_01 (15:52):
More wishes.
SPEAKER_00 (15:53):
I feel like there's gonna be a rule for that.
I feel like the genie rulesapply for this.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:58):
Indefinite wishes.
Do you think because somebodymentioned it?
I think it was Peter actually,he was like, I'm gonna wish for
there to be two to win the longwalk.
SPEAKER_00 (16:09):
I like that.
That's interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
It does change policy.
SPEAKER_02 (16:13):
It is a policy change, that's right.
It does change the change.
SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
I feel like that would cascade because then I
think it would be like the payit forward thing where someone
would be like, Well, now I'mgonna make it so it's three.
Right.
And then it could actuallytechnically exponentially go
because if both people wish foran extra person to be able to
win, then now it's four, nowit's eight, now it's sixteen.
And I don't they wouldn't letthat happen.
SPEAKER_02 (16:34):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (16:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:35):
Oh I wonder if you could add something like you get
uh or you get one more warning.
SPEAKER_01 (16:40):
I mean go to the moon is pretty good.
SPEAKER_02 (16:42):
Or what if what if the warnings are um 20 seconds
long instead of 10?
Mm-hmm.
I I I wonder is that policychange?
Exactly.
It's not it's not policy in thecontext that they're talking
about, but they're they'retalking about governmental
policy.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
We're talking about the game, but they don't want
anything changed on the the walkeither.
Could you ask that's implied.
That's very much implied.
SPEAKER_01 (17:07):
President?
SPEAKER_00 (17:08):
That sounds is that like a well I would assume
that's policy.
SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
That would be I I feel like they would well, but I
don't ask for the major's job.
SPEAKER_02 (17:18):
That's what I was just thinking, right this
second.
SPEAKER_01 (17:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:21):
Could you ask for the major's job?
SPEAKER_01 (17:23):
I feel like that would be a good one.
I don't think that's any policychanging.
SPEAKER_00 (17:28):
My wish is that my wish is that the major has to go
to a brothel for a week and he'son the receiving end.
SPEAKER_01 (17:36):
That's crazy.
I I need I need 25 videos, alldifferent people blowing up.
SPEAKER_00 (17:45):
It's for my new business idea.
SPEAKER_02 (17:48):
Damn.
You guys are even more mean thanI thought.
SPEAKER_01 (17:52):
It's for my new series.
Call it Major Blowbacks.
SPEAKER_00 (18:00):
Congrats, that was really good.
unknown (18:03):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
Oh, what was I gonna mention?
You mean major blowbacks wasn'tyour magnum opus?
I was gonna, is it's more likeexistential fucking list, we're
like we're talking about thecase.
SPEAKER_02 (18:17):
Well, while you think about that, let me say uh
Big Daddy Mo, thank you for thatquestion.
That was a great, a great pieceright there as a conversation
starter.
SPEAKER_01 (18:24):
Oh, first off, Gardy is a complete shitbag in the
books.
He is.
SPEAKER_02 (18:28):
Um he wasn't doing it for you, his dad did get
taken away by the government,but he wasn't executed in.
You have no idea.
SPEAKER_01 (18:37):
Um, also like he has a girlfriend in the book.
SPEAKER_02 (18:41):
And it's his girlfriend that he sees in his
city, not his mom.
SPEAKER_01 (18:45):
Yeah, and he kind of like blackmails her into
sleeping with him.
SPEAKER_02 (18:50):
Like, he's gonna join the long walk unless you oh
right, right, right, right,right.
Well, I I so I I get what youmean, and I think it's accurate
to say that.
I was gonna say it a little bitdifferently, but it it doesn't
matter, it's the same thing.
He guilts her, yeah, rather notblackmail, he guilt her yeah,
into sleeping because he, Imean, it was deep because he was
(19:12):
like, I'm I'm joining the longmile tomorrow.
The the long walk, the longmile.
Uh I'm going going into thegreen mile.
Um, I'm I'm gonna start the longwalk tomorrow, and I don't want
to go without you, and this is away that I can take you with me.
And so it was like it was justuber guilting and manipulation.
So he is a real dirtbag in thebook.
SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
Uh uh, but I do I like I like his character in the
movie.
Um, he says something when likeI think this is after like this
is a couple deaths in um wherePeter says, Yeah, I'm like, I'm
kind of hoping that gets easier,and Gardy's like, Yeah, I kind
of hope it doesn't.
Like, I I hope it doesn't.
SPEAKER_02 (19:51):
That's the that would be the problem.
SPEAKER_00 (19:52):
Yeah, well, he says, Um, that's what I'm scared of.
Yeah, that's it.
Somebody said, I keep hopingthat that that that'll get
easier.
And he goes, That's what I'mscared of.
And I think that was veryprofound.
Uh good writing in this.
This is this is dude.
The the quotes in this movie,I'm not even kidding.
I feel like from a philosophicallife perspective, you should
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watch this movie.
Like there is a lot that I thinkreally rings true.
Like that it is, I think, truein a lot of situations where I
think people in bad situationswill sometimes like say, like,
I, you know, I just wish itwould get easier.
And it's like, but then you loseyour humanity.
Right.
It's not easy because you'rehuman, because you are, you
know, you call yourself at leasta decent human that this is not
(20:37):
easy for you to do to deal with.
It shouldn't be easy to dealwith.
It would be scary if it was.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (20:44):
So I and essentially, if you go with the
um if you go with the mindset ofBalkovich the whole time, you'll
end up like him.
To win, you're no different thanthe major.
SPEAKER_00 (20:56):
Yeah.
I I uh I I I so Balkovich wassuch a hard situation because I
did feel that like that disdaintowards him because it was just
an evil spirit that whole time.
But then at the end, just hisdesperation is just like, man,
you you let this spirit take ahold of you so strongly, and now
(21:18):
it's left you.
SPEAKER_02 (21:19):
And he said what it was his desire to fit in, and he
never fit in anywhere.
SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
Yeah, so I I do you remember the movie Nefarious?
SPEAKER_02 (21:28):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:29):
It it made god damn cozy, he's ripping right now.
God, geez.
Um I had a little delay becauseI'm God, it's it's so gross.
SPEAKER_02 (21:41):
It made its way through.
SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
Which is nothing great.
SPEAKER_02 (21:46):
It's that fucking sewer water.
SPEAKER_01 (21:47):
It's a sewer water making its way back out.
SPEAKER_00 (21:51):
But in Nefarious, it's um that movie.
If for those who don't know,it's about a guy who commits a
murder, or he commits like astring of murders, but he's
possessed by a demon, and hesays that he's possessed by a
demon, and they send a priestin.
Uh, is it a priest?
SPEAKER_02 (22:07):
Psychologist.
SPEAKER_00 (22:07):
Psychologist in to determine if he really is
possessed or if he's just crazy.
And the psychologist ends upbelieving, no, this man is
possessed.
This is a demon.
And he sees the uh the um thethe demon, like the the guards
come and ask him what his lastwhat he wants for his last meal,
and the demon takes over and islike, I don't want anything, get
out of here.
(22:28):
Like, leave me alone.
I don't want anything you haveto offer.
And so the guards like, wellthen fuck you, dude.
And they leave.
And as they leave, the the actorswitches, and you see the demon
leaves him, and he's like, Ilike he just breaks down.
He's like, I can't fucking haveanything.
Like, I just wanted this lastall I wanted was a burger and a
shake.
And this demon took that from metoo.
SPEAKER_02 (22:49):
Oh, it was it was even more devastating because he
he actually told the guard, Iwant a bacon cheeseburger with
French fries and an extra thickmilkshake.
And he's like, please make sureyou get this right.
This is very important to me.
And the guard's like, Yeah,yeah, yeah.
And he's walking away, and thenthe demon takes over and he
goes, You know what?
On second thought, scratch that.
(23:11):
I don't want anything.
You sure?
It's your right.
I don't want anything.
Okay, suit yourself.
And then when it came time, hewas like, Wait, wait, wait.
I haven't even had my meal.
What about my meal?
SPEAKER_00 (23:20):
And he goes, You said you didn't want anything.
Yeah, and so like the the demonwould like step in, take away
any little bit of joy that hecould have, anything that could
bring him some sort ofhappiness, and then leave him to
deal with the consequences ofit.
Exactly.
And that's what I felt washappening with Balkovich, where
he got possessed by this evilspirit.
(23:42):
Whether you want to call it likean actual demon possession, I
don't I don't think that, but Ithink like this evil spirit
overcame him.
SPEAKER_02 (23:48):
I thought it was Tourette's.
Oh, because he kept he keptoutbursting.
SPEAKER_00 (23:52):
Fuck fuck! No, I think that was just a mental
break.
I think No, he did it the wholetime.
No, because well, because he wassay he had something wrong, but
I think that that really fuckedhim up because he knew he was
responsible for that kid dying.
He knew it deep down, eventhough all that means is that's
that was his trigger.
They kind of antagonized him bycalling him killer, which I
don't blame them for.
(24:13):
They were just speaking thetruth.
He did that, and I like he saidfor three days it was just
playing on loop in his mind, andhe has no nobody to talk to
because nobody liked him.
And no sleep, no sleep, it'sjust replaying in his mind.
He went crazy, it it drove himinsane because he isolated
himself, and that's where I say,like, I think this evil spirit
(24:36):
took him over and left him withthe aftermath of it uh in the
end, where he he already madehis grave and there was nothing
he could do about it.
SPEAKER_02 (24:44):
With that, uh talking philosophical matters.
Let me ask you guys what do youthink the ending meant?
SPEAKER_00 (24:50):
Okay, I have some thoughts on this, but I want to
hear you guys first.
SPEAKER_01 (24:53):
Okay, either it's literal and he just like walked
away, you know, and we likedidn't see what happened after.
Or he immediately got shot inthe face.
And that's all he's got.
SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
I think they would have already I think they would
have already shot.
Oh, oh, I see.
SPEAKER_01 (25:06):
That's an option.
SPEAKER_02 (25:07):
You know, I I think it was the latter.
As soon as he pulled thetrigger.
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (25:11):
There was people all around him, there would have
been noise, there would havebeen like screaming, and there
would have been you know, but itwent completely silent.
Hmm.
That's interesting.
One of my theories.
SPEAKER_02 (25:20):
And I think it's kind of a play on the book
ending where the book ending isGarrety was chasing after that
spirit, that shadowy figure.
SPEAKER_01 (25:28):
Shadowy figure, and he runs.
SPEAKER_02 (25:30):
And everybody was standing there, like, what what
are you doing?
Where are you going?
It was basically a way of sayingthat even when you win, you
never get away.
SPEAKER_00 (25:38):
Yeah.
Which is like I think it's war.
SPEAKER_02 (25:40):
It is war.
SPEAKER_00 (25:41):
That's where that's what I imagine that like they
ATSD, man.
There's another I mean not theHunger Games, but there's
another movie that kind offollows that same premise where
it's like winning is notwinning.
Winning is actually losing.
Not making it is better thanmaking it in some situations.
SPEAKER_02 (26:03):
What was that Korean movie you had us watch that was
uh Hunger Games, Squid Gamescombined?
Oh Battle Royale.
Battle Royale.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:11):
That's what that's why you did choose a good movie
twice there.
SPEAKER_00 (26:16):
Yeah.
Like sometimes I I think there'sworse things than death.
SPEAKER_02 (26:20):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (26:21):
And um Yeah, like shitting yourself and then
immediately getting shot.
Right.
Dying with your pants down afteryou're diarring, dude.
No.
I'm just gonna do that.
Yeah, that's that's prettyawful.
Yeah, survival tip one, eatfiber.
I am not a fast pooper.
That if it's solid enough, youit could drop down your pant
(26:42):
leg, you can roll it out.
SPEAKER_02 (26:43):
No kidding.
Yeah, let it go.
SPEAKER_00 (26:46):
I mean, I do I think what I would do is uh take one
warning to just take off mypants and underwear entirely and
just walk butt ass naked andtake a shit while I walk and
then put my pants back on andtake a second warning.
SPEAKER_01 (27:00):
Like an extra get a little breeze, pair of like like
basketball shorts or something,you know, in my pack, like an
extra shirt, shorts, maybe evenlike a different pair of socks.
I feel like you put socks onquicky quickly if you're like
hopping.
SPEAKER_00 (27:15):
Socks.
Socks I would want to do becauseif my feet get wet, you know,
that's it.
If my feet get wet, I'm done.
SPEAKER_01 (27:22):
And home dudes walking walking in wet socks and
you didn't have shoes.
SPEAKER_00 (27:29):
Yeah, and um and well, they were already wet
because they were bloody.
SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
That's enough to want to end it all right there,
dude.
Yeah, what's muddy socks?
SPEAKER_00 (27:37):
Uh uh.
I I I've literally told myco-workers I I buy uh like every
six months I buy a new pair ofwaterproof boots.
It's imperative with my job.
I can be so cold and wet and Iwill still work, but if my feet
get wet, I'm a different person.
I am a miserable human to bearound if my feet are wet.
SPEAKER_01 (27:55):
Yeah.
Ooh, I got a question.
Um what so basically in thisworld uh the long walk is it's
chosen like a random state, umand it just so happened to be
Gardi's.
Uh what do you think would bethe worst state to walk in?
SPEAKER_02 (28:14):
Colorado.
SPEAKER_00 (28:15):
Really?
I was gonna say California.
SPEAKER_02 (28:17):
Colorado, mile high, low oxygen, you'd be suffering
the entire time.
SPEAKER_00 (28:23):
Hmm.
That's a good point.
SPEAKER_02 (28:25):
Walking through the Rockies, you're breathing super
hard, getting no oxygen.
People who aren't from the areawould have altitude poisoning,
just collapse.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
That means if you're from there, you would likely
win.
You might if you have goodendurance.
That's yeah, that's anadvantage.
Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of like footballplayers when they when they
practice in the snow a lot, andthen teams like Florida who come
to play in the snow are like,what the fuck?
Do you remember?
SPEAKER_02 (28:49):
Like, I did that would be did the book say was
this always at the same set timeevery year?
SPEAKER_00 (28:54):
I don't remember.
I would imagine, right?
SPEAKER_02 (28:57):
I would imagine it's like the the question would be
is it always gonna bespringtime, summertime?
I think May 1st is always thesame.
SPEAKER_01 (29:05):
May 1st.
SPEAKER_00 (29:06):
In the in the very opening paragraph or opening,
like where it explains like, oh,you've been accepted, you won by
the lot by the lottery, it saysreport uh May 1st.
May 1st at 8 a.m.
SPEAKER_02 (29:19):
Then yeah, I still think Colorado would be the
worst, but I mean imagine likeNevada summer, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
So no summer or Arizona, but really hot places
are gonna suck.
SPEAKER_02 (29:30):
Yeah, I feel like or or or Louisiana, the humidity.
SPEAKER_00 (29:35):
God would be off Georgia.
You can't even breathe, you'rejust breathing water the whole
time.
Yeah, you don't even need todrink water.
Kansas or just a really flatplace.
So what happens?
So let's say you're in Kansasand a tornado starts forming
nearby.
SPEAKER_02 (29:50):
Better not run.
SPEAKER_00 (29:51):
But what do the guards stick around for it too?
SPEAKER_02 (29:54):
How cool if the tornado comes and just like
wipes out all the guards andyou're just left there.
SPEAKER_00 (29:59):
I mean, that'd be pretty that'd be sick.
SPEAKER_01 (30:01):
But uh what if somebody's like a sequel where
it's even further in the futureand the long block is going
through some fucking like alien.
SPEAKER_02 (30:08):
They're in cars, they're they're in their cars,
right?
The cars get sucked up easily.
People are told to get out ofthe car, go and lay down on the
road.
SPEAKER_01 (30:17):
I mean, they are heavy as like military vehicles,
though.
SPEAKER_00 (30:20):
But that but that's what I'm wondering.
Like, tornadoes don't care.
Would they just stick around andlet the tornado take them, or
would they drive off and just belike, well, good fucking luck,
and hope that they don't thatthey either die or don't run
away.
SPEAKER_02 (30:31):
All you gotta do is just lay down, and you that's
your best chance of survival.
Go into a ditch, lay down, andhope the tornado passes you
over.
SPEAKER_01 (30:38):
Washington, depending on which direction,
would be okay.
Uh like floor area, I thinkwould be health.
Fine.
But if we're going from likewest to west all the way like
east to west, you gotta go overlike mountains and shit.
Like walking from a desert inMay, so it's gonna be still hot.
(31:02):
Yeah, so I feel like yeah, westto east would probably be
better.
That would suck.
Yeah, no, that'd be probablyonce you hit the east side.
You might end up on a fuckingmountain at the end, which would
kind of be but I feel like itwouldn't be that bad.
Also, the ending of the rain, soI could do it.
SPEAKER_00 (31:19):
I I like I like this ending, although I have some
opinions about it that I do feelpretty strongly about.
I think that what Garrity didwas selfish by sacrificing
himself.
And the reason I think that isbecause Pete made it very clear
throughout the entire movie thathe basically without saying it,
(31:39):
he wanted Garrity to win.
And he made it clear.
He said mo he said in multipledifferent situations he gave
tidbits of information, one ofwhich he said, I have nothing to
live for, I have no family, Idon't have anything like that.
You have your mother, like yougotta get home to her.
He kept Garrity alive that wholetime.
He did not need to keep Garrityalive, but he did because he
(32:01):
said the only thing he never hadin his life was a brother, and
he'd always wanted a brother,and so now he had a brother in
Garrity, and he what the waythat I saw it was that Pete in
his mind believed that ifGarrity won, Pete also won.
So Pete would get his wish byGarrity winning.
SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
Yeah, he would die having a brother rather than win
exactly, not having anybody.
SPEAKER_00 (32:28):
Garrety essentially tricking him at the end and
giving up his life instead sothat Pete could survive, I think
stripped away what Pete wantedto do.
It made him lose a brother, sonow he lost even more than he'd
already lost in the past, and hewas filled with so much
vengeance at the end that heended up killing the major,
(32:50):
which was something that he hadtold uh Garrety earlier that
vengeance was not the way to go,that you don't want your life to
be filled with this.
This is not what you want to do.
Try to find the light, be be thelight in this world.
And but Garrity doing what hedid essentially, like I give
credit that Pete chose to dowhat he chose to do.
(33:12):
Pete was Pete is his own man andhe did what he chose to do.
But it's foolish to think thatGarrety's actions did not
influence him to do that, andthat turned him into what he
didn't want to be.
He didn't want that for Garrity.
He wasn't that type of person.
He'd said that killing a deerwas the closest he ever wanted
to come to killing a man, andthat killing a man changes you
(33:36):
and makes you into somethingelse.
SPEAKER_02 (33:38):
I think it's wild to hear somebody say sacrificing
his life so that the better mancan live is selfish.
SPEAKER_00 (33:45):
I agree it's a wild statement, but I think not just
wild.
SPEAKER_02 (33:48):
I think you're making some like strong, it's
foolish to think.
No, dude.
I think it's a very rationalargument.
No, it's not.
He did the exact opposite thingof what he wanted to do.
He wanted to take vengeance onthe major.
He gave up that wish.
He gave it up.
He, I don't need that.
(34:09):
I need you to live.
I need you, this man right here,who sees the good in everything,
who can see the wrinkler.
SPEAKER_00 (34:20):
That's Garret's wish.
SPEAKER_02 (34:22):
Let me give up my life so you, the better person,
can live.
That's selfish.
That's a ridiculous claim.
SPEAKER_00 (34:29):
Better person who has made the better decisions
this entire time has made itvery clear I get what I want by
you continuing on.
He saw the light in Garritysaying that you are the future.
You can make this change.
I want to make a change in theworld.
You can do it.
SPEAKER_02 (34:48):
But then you're telling me that Garrity seeing
the major kill his dad, thenseeing the major kill Pete, and
he's gonna have the ability towalk away and see the good
bullshit.
I don't know.
I I probably don't think so.
That's nonsense to think thatthis guy would see two people
(35:08):
who his daddy outright told Petewas his hero, then Pete is his
hero.
He has to witness the major killboth of those people, and yet
he's gonna be okay with that andchoose to do the better thing
and not kill the major.
SPEAKER_00 (35:27):
But regardless, so regardless, even if he even if
he did kill the major, let's sayGarrety won and he killed the
major, Garrety doesn't loseanything by doing that, right?
SPEAKER_02 (35:38):
Yes, he does.
The uh the whole premise of thethe killing the major is he's
dead instantly.
SPEAKER_00 (35:46):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (35:47):
So there's no winner.
SPEAKER_00 (35:48):
Yes, there's no point.
He would have been happy doingthat.
He wanted to do that anyways,right?
SPEAKER_02 (35:52):
But there would have been no, there would have been
no benefit.
You have to realize that thissystem was set up in such a way
the major being killed wasn'tgonna end anything.
SPEAKER_00 (36:01):
I uh 100% understand that it's entirely a selfish way
for him to try to feel some sortof catharsis that I don't think
he would have actually gotten bykilling the major, because I
don't think that that Pete gotit either.
But I what I'm saying isGarrity, if Garrity had won,
Pete would have gotten his wishby letting Garrity win.
And Garrity would have donewhatever Garretti had decided to
(36:23):
do, and that would have been onGarrity.
But Garrity instead gave hislife uh for Pete against Pete's
wishes, and that changed Peteinto something he didn't want to
be.
I do.
SPEAKER_02 (36:36):
I think it would have been better that Pete died
the man he wanted to be.
I reject the argument that Petedid not wish to live.
I reject that argument outright.
How?
That's nonsense.
SPEAKER_00 (36:49):
How he he what do you mean?
He could have died at any pointduring it was so clear the
entire movie that Pete was goingto give his life for Garrety.
I saw that coming.
I knew by about a quarter of theway through the movie, I knew if
those two are the last ones,Pete is going to sacrifice
himself for Gary.
SPEAKER_02 (37:08):
Because he didn't read the book.
SPEAKER_00 (37:09):
Yeah, but I'm look okay, but let's uh the the book
was different, so let's talkabout the movie.
But yeah, but okay, watching themovie, I'm looking at this play
out and I'm saying I can seealready Pete is gonna sacrifice
himself for Garrety.
That is clearly his intentions.
That's the way they wrote thischaracter.
He's so obviously going tosacrifice himself for Garrety.
(37:31):
That's the way they changed thischaracter, yes, but that's the
character we saw in the movie.
So that's what we're talkingabout.
We're talking about the movie.
Pretty much like a completelydifferent.
SPEAKER_02 (37:41):
But the problem is, is when you're when you're going
off of something like this, yousay, I saw it from all the way
back there.
Okay, but you're not evenanticipating, you're not taking
into account what the writerswere doing.
But was I wrong?
That's exactly what he did.
Nobody, nobody has publicly saidthat Pete had always intended to
(38:03):
die for Gardy.
SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
No, oh come on.
You can watch what do you mean?
That's so obvious.
SPEAKER_01 (38:11):
That either would do either.
I I think that at the end of theday they formed this like
unbreakable, traumatic bond of afriendship brotherhood.
That either way, one's notwalking in front of the other
until the other dies.
They're either one's gonnasacrifice for the other or vice
(38:32):
versa.
Okay, I agree.
SPEAKER_02 (38:34):
That's fair, but I will not agree to that point
while claiming that Garretti wasbeing selfish in that.
SPEAKER_01 (38:45):
That's not that's not a true, fair or I I feel
like Garrett is inherently aselfish character, though.
SPEAKER_00 (38:54):
Yeah, I I think Garrety's actions were selfish.
Exactly.
I think he's selfish because ofwhat he did to his mother, and
then he could have survived andseen his mother, and he could
have let Pete sacrifice himselfwhen Pete said, I have no one to
live for.
You need to get to your mother.
SPEAKER_02 (39:10):
There is no way.
SPEAKER_00 (39:14):
No, it's not.
SPEAKER_02 (39:14):
You can't just say there's no influence.
It doesn't matter.
He's totally responsible foryour actions.
SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
No, uh, don't go there.
SPEAKER_02 (39:22):
That's unrealistic.
SPEAKER_00 (39:24):
It's unrealistic and unhuman.
Stop, let me finish theargument.
Well, did you not watch themovie?
He never once gave you any codethat said he wasn't gonna do it.
Because he didn't say, you knowwhat?
You're right, Pete.
I'm not gonna do it.
He didn't say that.
SPEAKER_02 (39:39):
Pete never gave you an idea that he was going to do
that.
SPEAKER_00 (39:43):
Never.
SPEAKER_02 (39:43):
No, I think that's a stupid argument.
And it can be ask any soldierwho's had guns pointed at them
and say you give your life orthey give their life.
SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
Alex, who do you think should win?
SPEAKER_02 (40:10):
Of course, me.
SPEAKER_00 (40:11):
That's pretty selfish.
SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
And that's pretty fucking selfish.
So, Eric, you are the winner fortoday's episode.
Thank you all for watching.
Of course, the boyfriends.
A It's not my fault.
I like your son.
He's pretty handsome.
Okay.
I was gonna say, to be fair, heagreed with my argument, but to
be fair, he married me and mywife.
(40:33):
Uh so I did do that.
Wow, that's an interestingdynamic.
SPEAKER_00 (40:38):
It's not a thruple, like sound.
SPEAKER_01 (40:40):
We're cozy is my son.
SPEAKER_00 (40:44):
Cozy now has two dads and two moms.
That is crazy.
Huh?
SPEAKER_01 (40:51):
Yeah, two of them.
That's completely off of thedice robot.
I I'm not taking any sides here.
I will say that you both madecompletely good points at
points, but then you juststarted yelling at each other,
and I was just sitting herelaughing.
Uh it's been a while since y'allgot into an argument.
It's always you.
(41:12):
It's always you also.
I felt like we needed it.
SPEAKER_02 (41:15):
We lack controversy on this podcast.
Yeah, I do feel like thisepisode is gonna do well.
We we definitely lackcontroversy sometimes.
SPEAKER_00 (41:23):
No, I get one season point from Josh.
I mean, what's really funnyabout he says this was all my
fault.
SPEAKER_02 (41:30):
Dude, we argue like this at the dinner table.
SPEAKER_00 (41:32):
Yeah, I was gonna say what's really funny about
this is that after this, I'mgonna go smoke.
He's gonna go do something onthe computer, and then we're
just gonna watch memes for alittle bit and just laugh and
forget this happened.
SPEAKER_01 (41:43):
It'd be like that.
Also, Rhode Island would be theeasiest one to rock across.
But you would have to acrosswhatever's next to it.
I don't know any of that.
SPEAKER_02 (41:51):
You'd have to walk around the whole state several
times.
SPEAKER_00 (41:54):
I was gonna say, would you even go into a new
state or would you just do laps?
SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
Well, you just walk.
I think that would just getboring because you'd be like
stay confined into one state, ordo they cross or do they just
start in one state?
SPEAKER_02 (42:06):
I don't know.
I I have no clue.
I don't remember themmentioning.
SPEAKER_00 (42:10):
I would imagine that you would stay in one state.
SPEAKER_01 (42:14):
Well, we could have had this conversation a lot
earlier in the podcast.
Thank you all for listening.
And until next time, stay alive.
Hello, survivors, and welcome back to another
episode of Will You Survive?
And today I am TJ, and we arejoined by our two guest stars
that are never here.
I'm Alex.
Oh, and I'm Peglek Joe.
And I'm gonna stop with thatvoice because it's hurting my
throat.
Uh we watched The Long Walk.
(00:45):
Uh, it is a very good movie.
Yeah, it's pretty much it.
Uh, thank you all for the video.
Well, great episode, guys.
Yeah.
Nice and concise.
I like these episodes.
It's a good movie.
I would not survive.
None of us would survive.
And thank you for watching.
Yeah.
We watched The Long Walk.
Stephen King uh made this.
(01:06):
It is an analogy for the VietnamWar.
SPEAKER_00 (01:12):
What?
It is.
Okay.
Can I can I say uh I want I dowant to get to that because I
don't see I I believe you, but Idon't understand that.
SPEAKER_02 (01:22):
That's a direct quote by Stephen King.
SPEAKER_00 (01:24):
I well, oh, the whole volunteer thing, but like
you're not actuallyvolunteering.
SPEAKER_02 (01:29):
The d yeah, drafting.
SPEAKER_00 (01:30):
Yeah.
It's like everybody volunteers,but it wasn't re you didn't
really volunteer.
If everybody volunteers and youdidn't volunteer.
Yeah.
Uh so okay, I do get that.
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
And in the book, it was a hundred people.
SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
This movie was holy crap.
Um, I had a very stressfulmorning.
Uh, I had a very long day.
Uh, it was not a great day atwork, and then I had a lot to do
before this uh before I watchedthis movie.
And then I sit down after a longass day and I watch this movie,
and I ball my eyes out like ababy.
Because what the hell?
You could have watched this.
(02:01):
It's a rough movie, guys.
Two weeks ago.
SPEAKER_01 (02:04):
Yeah, I could I could have, but you really could
have, and you didn't.
That's not how we do this.
We could have shared the trauma,but I had already been
traumatized.
I rewatched it today.
I still felt something about it.
SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
See, that's not good because I'm seeing a girl, and I
was thinking, she doesn't likehorror, but I kind of told her
about this movie, and I'm like,it's not really like a scary
movie like that.
I'm almost curious if she'd beinterested in it.
But I also don't want to crylike a baby in front of her this
soon, so probably not.
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
I feel like she wouldn't want to see a bunch of
uh teenagers get shot in theface.
SPEAKER_00 (02:37):
I I think the worst part was the uh the tank running
over the legs.
SPEAKER_02 (02:41):
I'm with you, TJ.
SPEAKER_01 (02:42):
So um if you guys have heard of the long walk, uh
Alex is gonna give a synopsis.
SPEAKER_02 (02:48):
And first I'm gonna say spoiler alerts ahead.
From Stephen King's officialsite, in the near future, where
America has become a policestate, 100 boys are selected to
enter an annual contest wherethe winner will be awarded
whatever he wants for the restof his life.
The game is simple maintain asteady walking pace of at least
three miles per hour withoutstopping.
(03:10):
Three warnings, and you're outpermanently.
SPEAKER_01 (03:13):
Yeah, so basically, hunger games.
Um basically one teenager fromevery state, so much better.
They all sign up, allegory forwar, um, and then they just
fucking walk.
And if you go below three milesper hour, you get a warning.
If you can't get back up, twowarnings, and then you get your
(03:33):
ticket.
SPEAKER_00 (03:34):
That is a brisk walking pace.
SPEAKER_01 (03:36):
That is in the book, it was four miles per hour.
SPEAKER_00 (03:39):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (03:40):
So you see how to hustling in the movie.
Imagine like a light jog.
Yeah, that is crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (03:46):
So, first of all, let's let's talk about the fact
that in this movie they get upto like how many miles?
Uh is it like 300?
SPEAKER_02 (03:54):
300 and was it 66?
SPEAKER_00 (03:57):
They got up to like almost 400.
That is absolutely insane.
How so TJ asked me this questionearlier.
How many miles do we think wecould go?
SPEAKER_02 (04:07):
Oh no.
SPEAKER_01 (04:09):
I I by mile 10, I'm cooked.
No, no, uh realistic.
SPEAKER_02 (04:18):
Hang on, I was.
I'm not going 24 hours.
I'm not going 24 hours.
SPEAKER_00 (04:21):
Okay, see, that's that's what I think.
That's what he said.
I said by the time the nighttimehits, I die.
Where whatever the mileage isthere, it's not the distance.
Yeah, so it's not the distancebecause I think it is a mental
game.
Yeah.
I think after unless like yourankle's broken, there's like a
certain point where it's justlike, oh yeah, my feet hurt, but
just keep walking.
Right.
You know, like you kind of justturn off that pain.
(04:42):
The same thing with like cold,where you get, you know, you
ever been so cold that you'rejust kind of like, all right,
that's it.
I'm I'm done being cold.
Yes.
And then you just kind of arelike it that's such a like a
high way of saying it, but youjust kind of tune it out.
I think you could do that withwalking, but I can't do that
with sleep.
SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
First death, dude, was under he was like, because
you in the movie, it's 18.
You're supposed to be 18 to doit.
He uh was not, clearly.
And uh the it's not fair, andthen that's the first like thing
you see, like the first deathyou see.
That's that fucks you up alittle bit.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
Well, I think that was the moment where they
realized, like, oh, this isn'tfun anymore.
Like it got really real, reallyquick.
SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
Yeah, like uh at one point he says, like, you know, I
was expecting like them to pullthe gun on us, and then they'll
pull the trigger and likeconfetti and a piece of paper
comes out that says bang.
Yeah, you're right.
It it was not like that.
SPEAKER_00 (05:42):
I I don't think I don't like I think they they
went into it with like this thisidea that that it wasn't what
they said it was, and then itended up being exactly what they
said it was.
Right.
And the thing is like they knewbecause this has happened this
happens what every year.
SPEAKER_01 (05:56):
It has happened for 19 years at this point.
SPEAKER_00 (05:59):
So they know they know it's not like they don't
know, but like broadcasting,it's just it's it becomes so
real so quick where they'relike, oh, this isn't just
something on TV and the otherthing.
SPEAKER_01 (06:09):
In the book, this is people very real the whole time,
like on the sidelines just tolike Which that's awful.
I don't think I can cheeringthem on, or like going in and
grabbing like a fucking souvenirof somebody's like sneaker that
fell off or like whatever.
And that's that's what happensin the book.
But I like what they did in themovie because the the
(06:30):
desolateness of everything kindof makes it it feel it feels
more lonely and they're kind ofjust like you know and the
camera on the the camera on thevehicle, the the lens rather,
the lens on the vehicle thatyou're like what do you say,
what if I spit on it, would itgo away?
SPEAKER_02 (06:47):
There were there were several very impactful
moments of this movie.
The first death, of course, theaftermath of the fight between
uh what was his n what was hisname?
Balkovich.
Yeah, yeah, and oh god, he washe was awful, but his
desperation at the end to likefit in.
SPEAKER_00 (07:10):
I've I felt so bad.
SPEAKER_02 (07:12):
Like it was it was the humanization of such a a a
monster, right?
SPEAKER_00 (07:17):
Like what I I I when I say I feel bad, it's like I
feel bad because it's somethingwhere it's like you put yourself
in this situation, dude.
Like you made yourself enemynumber one, and now you're
regretting your choices, and Idon't even know if I can believe
you.
Like, do you actually need thiscamaraderie right now?
Do you actually feel resentfulor do you feel like this is just
(07:38):
a way for you to survive?
SPEAKER_02 (07:39):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:40):
Like because you know you're not gonna survive
without people right now.
SPEAKER_02 (07:43):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (07:43):
Yeah, no, it his character is pretty much the
same in the book, uh, where hejust did not have any friends in
school, and uh kind of just actsout to get attention because he
thinks that's what's the bestthing to do.
SPEAKER_00 (07:56):
Like the stabbing himself in the throat in front
of all of them.
I'm like, why traumatize thedudes that you just called your
friends?
Why why do it do it to thesoldiers behind you?
SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
What did he say when he did that?
He was like, So I'm now now I'mgonna be with you bitches
forever or something.
SPEAKER_00 (08:11):
Something like that.
Now I'm gonna be like, it it itis that is a perfect example of
hurt people hurt people.
Like he's hurt, he's uh he'sbeen hurt in his past clearly,
and he never coped with it, andnow he just traumatizes them in
a moment where if they're trulyyour friends, you don't want to
do anything to to what what whatis that?
What am I trying to say?
You don't want to do anythingthat's gonna make them lose
(08:32):
their focus or or feel a certainway in this intense moment.
Can we talk about how absolutelywise Pete was the entire time
and how much I feel like I'velearned about life from this
fucking movie?
SPEAKER_02 (08:45):
I I I liked him.
He I liked him a lot and like aperfect human.
Yeah, no, he was hurt as hurt ashe was, he had a positive
outlook on everything.
I mean, his parents dying, hegets raised by an abusive
a-hole, he and then watches himdie, and then watches him die,
(09:08):
and then somebody tries to killhim, and then he's still in
person.
SPEAKER_00 (09:12):
No, yeah, and he goes, It was me.
I did it.
I I'm the reason that they didthat because I picked a fight
with them.
And I his whole outlook on lifeuh of just always trying to find
that that light, it was awesome.
I loved the way I lit by abouthalfway through the movie, I
started looking to him as like,how should I be feeling in this
moment towards this person?
(09:34):
Like when Balkovich went toGarrety and was saying, like, I
just need I just need likefriends, you know, like I just
need people.
I I was less so thinking aboutwhat is Garretti doing, and I
was thinking, what does Petethink about this?
Because if Pete was like, fuckthis guy, then I would have been
like, then fuck this guy.
But if Pete was like, hey man,let me help you, I'd be like,
(09:54):
okay, then we need to help thisguy.
I started looking to him aslike, Well, what should we be
doing in this situation?
What is the right thing to dohere?
Because you seem to know everystep of the way you've done the
right thing.
Even when Gardy on in the firstnight told him off and basically
called him a piece of shit, waslike, You just want to see me
die.
And then it in a moment where Ithink so many people would have
(10:16):
been like, Then fuck that guy,I'm trying to help him, and he's
doing this to me.
Like, fuck this guy.
W when Garrety was struggling,Pete came up behind him and
said, No, man, let's go.
And he kept him going.
And that moment where Garretywas like, I didn't mean that,
man.
You know I didn't mean that.
And he goes, I know, I know youdidn't mean that.
And it's just that was just sucha beautiful character all the
way through.
SPEAKER_01 (10:36):
And when when uh Balkovich like is about to you
know stab himself in the neck,um like he he Peter went from
like I wanna see your brains onthe concrete to like he cared
when he was doing that.
He was like, dude, don't dothat, you know.
(10:57):
Like he gave a shit.
He he had like he still had amoral compass throughout all
this, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (11:03):
And he he kept like his beliefs he embodied a
phrase, love your enemies.
And he, you know, he took careof the ones who would have seen
him, they would have been happyto see him go down the way the
way Bakovich kept saying, uh uhthe odds are in our favor,
right?
Every time someone else woulddie, but Peter would always look
(11:27):
at it the other way, right?
It was always a negative when welost one more.
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
Yeah.
I I I I loved his outlook on it,and I I think in a situation
where it's so easy to toostracize yourself and try to
create distance to make iteasier on yourself.
I think he realized that this isimpossible if you don't have
someone you can lean on.
(11:53):
There's just no chance you'reever gonna make it if you don't
have someone to lean on.
SPEAKER_02 (11:57):
So Big Daddy Mo asks a great question for us, if you
don't mind me asking this host.
Uh what would you wish for?
SPEAKER_00 (12:06):
I was thinking about that.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (12:08):
Uh I think so, like they they were talking about it
in the movie where it's like,you know, why would you wish for
something that you could justpay for?
So you'd really just you'd haveto think about like you know,
what can't money buy?
SPEAKER_00 (12:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:24):
You know?
SPEAKER_00 (12:24):
And and that's kind of a hard one because all the
things that I would immediatelythink of, like what can't money
buy, would be things that Iwouldn't want to just be given
because it wouldn't meananything if it was just given.
SPEAKER_02 (12:36):
I will say this though, they don't go into it in
the movie and they actuallybypass it when the um major was
standing up there and saying,Um, we're not gonna go through
the rule book one one by one,but one of the things that the
book describes, and they alludeto it later, they say it
quickly, that you can't ask foranything that are uh blatantly
(12:58):
political.
SPEAKER_00 (12:58):
Yeah, yeah.
I think that what was the whatwas the Asian guy's name?
The one who was married, Ithink.
Uh Hank.
Hank.
Uh Hank was uh saying that hewas like, you can't wish for
policy, man.
SPEAKER_02 (13:10):
And one of the one of the things about it is like,
because I think this would goright down that line of policy,
which would be my wish if Icould, would be uh indefinite
and absolute immunity.
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
Well you mean like from from the government, from
the state.
Oh, so that you could preachwhatever you wanted to preach.
SPEAKER_02 (13:31):
But see, that's a policy.
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
Yeah, but see what would be hard with that is even
if they allowed you to do that,that is going to get so many
people killed.
All right, for listening to me.
For listening to you, even ifthey can't touch me.
Even though, even if peoplerationalize it to you that no,
you're doing the right thing.
We want this, we want to standwith you.
I'm willing to die for this.
You're still going to feel likeI am causing all these people to
(13:54):
die by my actions.
SPEAKER_01 (13:55):
Hear me out.
SPEAKER_00 (13:56):
And I think that's a tough thing to live with.
SPEAKER_01 (13:58):
I got it.
I got I got what will ultimatelytake down the government and
change everybody's views in inthis universe.
Imagine it.
Eric dead behind me.
I'm the last one walking, right?
Major walks up to me.
What do you want?
You know what I want?
I want you butt ass naked so Ican blow your back out real
quick in front of all thecameras from the whole world.
(14:19):
I want it everybody seriously.
You know, that's that's a goodpoint because who would take
this man seriously anymore?
SPEAKER_02 (14:26):
That's right.
That's not a policy change.
That would be a carnal desirethat you could justify.
That's not a policy change, butit would change policy.
Two honey packs.
Two blue chews.
SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
Three honey packs, two blue chews, a whole bunch of
electrolytes, and a niceblanket.
SPEAKER_00 (14:53):
Because the the only thing that I could think like uh
what money can't buy wouldeither be, like I said, things
that like don't mean anything ifthey're given to you.
Like you can't say, I wish for aloving wife.
Because you're not getting aloving wife.
You're getting a woman who'spaid to be your loving wife.
Right.
So like there's nothing like youcan't bring someone back from
(15:14):
the dead because they have toactually be able to do it.
And it still has to be somewhatrealistic.
And then anything else that Icould really think of is like,
well, I could just buy that.
Because like something I thoughtof was like, okay, what if I
asked for what if I asked forlike a a sanctuary for animals
that is fully set up that I canrun and have staff for?
Uh, but it's like, well, I coulddo that with money.
SPEAKER_03 (15:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:35):
I I don't need the the wish for that.
If I'm getting like a cajilliondollars, like they say.
Yeah, it's like I feel like youknow, there's just I can't think
of any good wish that money justwouldn't buy, besides just like
I guess more money.
SPEAKER_01 (15:52):
More wishes.
SPEAKER_00 (15:53):
I feel like there's gonna be a rule for that.
I feel like the genie rulesapply for this.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:58):
Indefinite wishes.
Do you think because somebodymentioned it?
I think it was Peter actually,he was like, I'm gonna wish for
there to be two to win the longwalk.
SPEAKER_00 (16:09):
I like that.
That's interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
It does change policy.
SPEAKER_02 (16:13):
It is a policy change, that's right.
It does change the change.
SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
I feel like that would cascade because then I
think it would be like the payit forward thing where someone
would be like, Well, now I'mgonna make it so it's three.
Right.
And then it could actuallytechnically exponentially go
because if both people wish foran extra person to be able to
win, then now it's four, nowit's eight, now it's sixteen.
And I don't they wouldn't letthat happen.
SPEAKER_02 (16:34):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (16:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:35):
Oh I wonder if you could add something like you get
uh or you get one more warning.
SPEAKER_01 (16:40):
I mean go to the moon is pretty good.
SPEAKER_02 (16:42):
Or what if what if the warnings are um 20 seconds
long instead of 10?
Mm-hmm.
I I I wonder is that policychange?
Exactly.
It's not it's not policy in thecontext that they're talking
about, but they're they'retalking about governmental
policy.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
We're talking about the game, but they don't want
anything changed on the the walkeither.
Could you ask that's implied.
That's very much implied.
SPEAKER_01 (17:07):
President?
SPEAKER_00 (17:08):
That sounds is that like a well I would assume
that's policy.
SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
That would be I I feel like they would well, but I
don't ask for the major's job.
SPEAKER_02 (17:18):
That's what I was just thinking, right this
second.
SPEAKER_01 (17:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:21):
Could you ask for the major's job?
SPEAKER_01 (17:23):
I feel like that would be a good one.
I don't think that's any policychanging.
SPEAKER_00 (17:28):
My wish is that my wish is that the major has to go
to a brothel for a week and he'son the receiving end.
SPEAKER_01 (17:36):
That's crazy.
I I need I need 25 videos, alldifferent people blowing up.
SPEAKER_00 (17:45):
It's for my new business idea.
SPEAKER_02 (17:48):
Damn.
You guys are even more mean thanI thought.
SPEAKER_01 (17:52):
It's for my new series.
Call it Major Blowbacks.
SPEAKER_00 (18:00):
Congrats, that was really good.
unknown (18:03):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
Oh, what was I gonna mention?
You mean major blowbacks wasn'tyour magnum opus?
I was gonna, is it's more likeexistential fucking list, we're
like we're talking about thecase.
SPEAKER_02 (18:17):
Well, while you think about that, let me say uh
Big Daddy Mo, thank you for thatquestion.
That was a great, a great pieceright there as a conversation
starter.
SPEAKER_01 (18:24):
Oh, first off, Gardy is a complete shitbag in the
books.
He is.
SPEAKER_02 (18:28):
Um he wasn't doing it for you, his dad did get
taken away by the government,but he wasn't executed in.
You have no idea.
SPEAKER_01 (18:37):
Um, also like he has a girlfriend in the book.
SPEAKER_02 (18:41):
And it's his girlfriend that he sees in his
city, not his mom.
SPEAKER_01 (18:45):
Yeah, and he kind of like blackmails her into
sleeping with him.
SPEAKER_02 (18:50):
Like, he's gonna join the long walk unless you oh
right, right, right, right,right.
Well, I I so I I get what youmean, and I think it's accurate
to say that.
I was gonna say it a little bitdifferently, but it it doesn't
matter, it's the same thing.
He guilts her, yeah, rather notblackmail, he guilt her yeah,
into sleeping because he, Imean, it was deep because he was
(19:12):
like, I'm I'm joining the longmile tomorrow.
The the long walk, the longmile.
Uh I'm going going into thegreen mile.
Um, I'm I'm gonna start the longwalk tomorrow, and I don't want
to go without you, and this is away that I can take you with me.
And so it was like it was justuber guilting and manipulation.
So he is a real dirtbag in thebook.
SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
Uh uh, but I do I like I like his character in the
movie.
Um, he says something when likeI think this is after like this
is a couple deaths in um wherePeter says, Yeah, I'm like, I'm
kind of hoping that gets easier,and Gardy's like, Yeah, I kind
of hope it doesn't.
Like, I I hope it doesn't.
SPEAKER_02 (19:51):
That's the that would be the problem.
SPEAKER_00 (19:52):
Yeah, well, he says, Um, that's what I'm scared of.
Yeah, that's it.
Somebody said, I keep hopingthat that that that'll get
easier.
And he goes, That's what I'mscared of.
And I think that was veryprofound.
Uh good writing in this.
This is this is dude.
The the quotes in this movie,I'm not even kidding.
I feel like from a philosophicallife perspective, you should
(20:14):
watch this movie.
Like there is a lot that I thinkreally rings true.
Like that it is, I think, truein a lot of situations where I
think people in bad situationswill sometimes like say, like,
I, you know, I just wish itwould get easier.
And it's like, but then you loseyour humanity.
Right.
It's not easy because you'rehuman, because you are, you
know, you call yourself at leasta decent human that this is not
(20:37):
easy for you to do to deal with.
It shouldn't be easy to dealwith.
It would be scary if it was.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (20:44):
So I and essentially, if you go with the
um if you go with the mindset ofBalkovich the whole time, you'll
end up like him.
To win, you're no different thanthe major.
SPEAKER_00 (20:56):
Yeah.
I I uh I I I so Balkovich wassuch a hard situation because I
did feel that like that disdaintowards him because it was just
an evil spirit that whole time.
But then at the end, just hisdesperation is just like, man,
you you let this spirit take ahold of you so strongly, and now
(21:18):
it's left you.
SPEAKER_02 (21:19):
And he said what it was his desire to fit in, and he
never fit in anywhere.
SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
Yeah, so I I do you remember the movie Nefarious?
SPEAKER_02 (21:28):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:29):
It it made god damn cozy, he's ripping right now.
God, geez.
Um I had a little delay becauseI'm God, it's it's so gross.
SPEAKER_02 (21:41):
It made its way through.
SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
Which is nothing great.
SPEAKER_02 (21:46):
It's that fucking sewer water.
SPEAKER_01 (21:47):
It's a sewer water making its way back out.
SPEAKER_00 (21:51):
But in Nefarious, it's um that movie.
If for those who don't know,it's about a guy who commits a
murder, or he commits like astring of murders, but he's
possessed by a demon, and hesays that he's possessed by a
demon, and they send a priestin.
Uh, is it a priest?
SPEAKER_02 (22:07):
Psychologist.
SPEAKER_00 (22:07):
Psychologist in to determine if he really is
possessed or if he's just crazy.
And the psychologist ends upbelieving, no, this man is
possessed.
This is a demon.
And he sees the uh the um thethe demon, like the the guards
come and ask him what his lastwhat he wants for his last meal,
and the demon takes over and islike, I don't want anything, get
out of here.
(22:28):
Like, leave me alone.
I don't want anything you haveto offer.
And so the guards like, wellthen fuck you, dude.
And they leave.
And as they leave, the the actorswitches, and you see the demon
leaves him, and he's like, Ilike he just breaks down.
He's like, I can't fucking haveanything.
Like, I just wanted this lastall I wanted was a burger and a
shake.
And this demon took that from metoo.
SPEAKER_02 (22:49):
Oh, it was it was even more devastating because he
he actually told the guard, Iwant a bacon cheeseburger with
French fries and an extra thickmilkshake.
And he's like, please make sureyou get this right.
This is very important to me.
And the guard's like, Yeah,yeah, yeah.
And he's walking away, and thenthe demon takes over and he
goes, You know what?
On second thought, scratch that.
(23:11):
I don't want anything.
You sure?
It's your right.
I don't want anything.
Okay, suit yourself.
And then when it came time, hewas like, Wait, wait, wait.
I haven't even had my meal.
What about my meal?
SPEAKER_00 (23:20):
And he goes, You said you didn't want anything.
Yeah, and so like the the demonwould like step in, take away
any little bit of joy that hecould have, anything that could
bring him some sort ofhappiness, and then leave him to
deal with the consequences ofit.
Exactly.
And that's what I felt washappening with Balkovich, where
he got possessed by this evilspirit.
(23:42):
Whether you want to call it likean actual demon possession, I
don't I don't think that, but Ithink like this evil spirit
overcame him.
SPEAKER_02 (23:48):
I thought it was Tourette's.
Oh, because he kept he keptoutbursting.
SPEAKER_00 (23:52):
Fuck fuck! No, I think that was just a mental
break.
I think No, he did it the wholetime.
No, because well, because he wassay he had something wrong, but
I think that that really fuckedhim up because he knew he was
responsible for that kid dying.
He knew it deep down, eventhough all that means is that's
that was his trigger.
They kind of antagonized him bycalling him killer, which I
don't blame them for.
(24:13):
They were just speaking thetruth.
He did that, and I like he saidfor three days it was just
playing on loop in his mind, andhe has no nobody to talk to
because nobody liked him.
And no sleep, no sleep, it'sjust replaying in his mind.
He went crazy, it it drove himinsane because he isolated
himself, and that's where I say,like, I think this evil spirit
(24:36):
took him over and left him withthe aftermath of it uh in the
end, where he he already madehis grave and there was nothing
he could do about it.
SPEAKER_02 (24:44):
With that, uh talking philosophical matters.
Let me ask you guys what do youthink the ending meant?
SPEAKER_00 (24:50):
Okay, I have some thoughts on this, but I want to
hear you guys first.
SPEAKER_01 (24:53):
Okay, either it's literal and he just like walked
away, you know, and we likedidn't see what happened after.
Or he immediately got shot inthe face.
And that's all he's got.
SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
I think they would have already I think they would
have already shot.
Oh, oh, I see.
SPEAKER_01 (25:06):
That's an option.
SPEAKER_02 (25:07):
You know, I I think it was the latter.
As soon as he pulled thetrigger.
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (25:11):
There was people all around him, there would have
been noise, there would havebeen like screaming, and there
would have been you know, but itwent completely silent.
Hmm.
That's interesting.
One of my theories.
SPEAKER_02 (25:20):
And I think it's kind of a play on the book
ending where the book ending isGarrety was chasing after that
spirit, that shadowy figure.
SPEAKER_01 (25:28):
Shadowy figure, and he runs.
SPEAKER_02 (25:30):
And everybody was standing there, like, what what
are you doing?
Where are you going?
It was basically a way of sayingthat even when you win, you
never get away.
SPEAKER_00 (25:38):
Yeah.
Which is like I think it's war.
SPEAKER_02 (25:40):
It is war.
SPEAKER_00 (25:41):
That's where that's what I imagine that like they
ATSD, man.
There's another I mean not theHunger Games, but there's
another movie that kind offollows that same premise where
it's like winning is notwinning.
Winning is actually losing.
Not making it is better thanmaking it in some situations.
SPEAKER_02 (26:03):
What was that Korean movie you had us watch that was
uh Hunger Games, Squid Gamescombined?
Oh Battle Royale.
Battle Royale.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:11):
That's what that's why you did choose a good movie
twice there.
SPEAKER_00 (26:16):
Yeah.
Like sometimes I I think there'sworse things than death.
SPEAKER_02 (26:20):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (26:21):
And um Yeah, like shitting yourself and then
immediately getting shot.
Right.
Dying with your pants down afteryou're diarring, dude.
No.
I'm just gonna do that.
Yeah, that's that's prettyawful.
Yeah, survival tip one, eatfiber.
I am not a fast pooper.
That if it's solid enough, youit could drop down your pant
(26:42):
leg, you can roll it out.
SPEAKER_02 (26:43):
No kidding.
Yeah, let it go.
SPEAKER_00 (26:46):
I mean, I do I think what I would do is uh take one
warning to just take off mypants and underwear entirely and
just walk butt ass naked andtake a shit while I walk and
then put my pants back on andtake a second warning.
SPEAKER_01 (27:00):
Like an extra get a little breeze, pair of like like
basketball shorts or something,you know, in my pack, like an
extra shirt, shorts, maybe evenlike a different pair of socks.
I feel like you put socks onquicky quickly if you're like
hopping.
SPEAKER_00 (27:15):
Socks.
Socks I would want to do becauseif my feet get wet, you know,
that's it.
If my feet get wet, I'm done.
SPEAKER_01 (27:22):
And home dudes walking walking in wet socks and
you didn't have shoes.
SPEAKER_00 (27:29):
Yeah, and um and well, they were already wet
because they were bloody.
SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
That's enough to want to end it all right there,
dude.
Yeah, what's muddy socks?
SPEAKER_00 (27:37):
Uh uh.
I I I've literally told myco-workers I I buy uh like every
six months I buy a new pair ofwaterproof boots.
It's imperative with my job.
I can be so cold and wet and Iwill still work, but if my feet
get wet, I'm a different person.
I am a miserable human to bearound if my feet are wet.
SPEAKER_01 (27:55):
Yeah.
Ooh, I got a question.
Um what so basically in thisworld uh the long walk is it's
chosen like a random state, umand it just so happened to be
Gardi's.
Uh what do you think would bethe worst state to walk in?
SPEAKER_02 (28:14):
Colorado.
SPEAKER_00 (28:15):
Really?
I was gonna say California.
SPEAKER_02 (28:17):
Colorado, mile high, low oxygen, you'd be suffering
the entire time.
SPEAKER_00 (28:23):
Hmm.
That's a good point.
SPEAKER_02 (28:25):
Walking through the Rockies, you're breathing super
hard, getting no oxygen.
People who aren't from the areawould have altitude poisoning,
just collapse.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
That means if you're from there, you would likely
win.
You might if you have goodendurance.
That's yeah, that's anadvantage.
Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of like footballplayers when they when they
practice in the snow a lot, andthen teams like Florida who come
to play in the snow are like,what the fuck?
Do you remember?
SPEAKER_02 (28:49):
Like, I did that would be did the book say was
this always at the same set timeevery year?
SPEAKER_00 (28:54):
I don't remember.
I would imagine, right?
SPEAKER_02 (28:57):
I would imagine it's like the the question would be
is it always gonna bespringtime, summertime?
I think May 1st is always thesame.
SPEAKER_01 (29:05):
May 1st.
SPEAKER_00 (29:06):
In the in the very opening paragraph or opening,
like where it explains like, oh,you've been accepted, you won by
the lot by the lottery, it saysreport uh May 1st.
May 1st at 8 a.m.
SPEAKER_02 (29:19):
Then yeah, I still think Colorado would be the
worst, but I mean imagine likeNevada summer, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
So no summer or Arizona, but really hot places
are gonna suck.
SPEAKER_02 (29:30):
Yeah, I feel like or or or Louisiana, the humidity.
SPEAKER_00 (29:35):
God would be off Georgia.
You can't even breathe, you'rejust breathing water the whole
time.
Yeah, you don't even need todrink water.
Kansas or just a really flatplace.
So what happens?
So let's say you're in Kansasand a tornado starts forming
nearby.
SPEAKER_02 (29:50):
Better not run.
SPEAKER_00 (29:51):
But what do the guards stick around for it too?
SPEAKER_02 (29:54):
How cool if the tornado comes and just like
wipes out all the guards andyou're just left there.
SPEAKER_00 (29:59):
I mean, that'd be pretty that'd be sick.
SPEAKER_01 (30:01):
But uh what if somebody's like a sequel where
it's even further in the futureand the long block is going
through some fucking like alien.
SPEAKER_02 (30:08):
They're in cars, they're they're in their cars,
right?
The cars get sucked up easily.
People are told to get out ofthe car, go and lay down on the
road.
SPEAKER_01 (30:17):
I mean, they are heavy as like military vehicles,
though.
SPEAKER_00 (30:20):
But that but that's what I'm wondering.
Like, tornadoes don't care.
Would they just stick around andlet the tornado take them, or
would they drive off and just belike, well, good fucking luck,
and hope that they don't thatthey either die or don't run
away.
SPEAKER_02 (30:31):
All you gotta do is just lay down, and you that's
your best chance of survival.
Go into a ditch, lay down, andhope the tornado passes you
over.
SPEAKER_01 (30:38):
Washington, depending on which direction,
would be okay.
Uh like floor area, I thinkwould be health.
Fine.
But if we're going from likewest to west all the way like
east to west, you gotta go overlike mountains and shit.
Like walking from a desert inMay, so it's gonna be still hot.
(31:02):
Yeah, so I feel like yeah, westto east would probably be
better.
That would suck.
Yeah, no, that'd be probablyonce you hit the east side.
You might end up on a fuckingmountain at the end, which would
kind of be but I feel like itwouldn't be that bad.
Also, the ending of the rain, soI could do it.
SPEAKER_00 (31:19):
I I like I like this ending, although I have some
opinions about it that I do feelpretty strongly about.
I think that what Garrity didwas selfish by sacrificing
himself.
And the reason I think that isbecause Pete made it very clear
throughout the entire movie thathe basically without saying it,
(31:39):
he wanted Garrity to win.
And he made it clear.
He said mo he said in multipledifferent situations he gave
tidbits of information, one ofwhich he said, I have nothing to
live for, I have no family, Idon't have anything like that.
You have your mother, like yougotta get home to her.
He kept Garrity alive that wholetime.
He did not need to keep Garrityalive, but he did because he
(32:01):
said the only thing he never hadin his life was a brother, and
he'd always wanted a brother,and so now he had a brother in
Garrity, and he what the waythat I saw it was that Pete in
his mind believed that ifGarrity won, Pete also won.
So Pete would get his wish byGarrity winning.
SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
Yeah, he would die having a brother rather than win
exactly, not having anybody.
SPEAKER_00 (32:28):
Garrety essentially tricking him at the end and
giving up his life instead sothat Pete could survive, I think
stripped away what Pete wantedto do.
It made him lose a brother, sonow he lost even more than he'd
already lost in the past, and hewas filled with so much
vengeance at the end that heended up killing the major,
(32:50):
which was something that he hadtold uh Garrety earlier that
vengeance was not the way to go,that you don't want your life to
be filled with this.
This is not what you want to do.
Try to find the light, be be thelight in this world.
And but Garrity doing what hedid essentially, like I give
credit that Pete chose to dowhat he chose to do.
(33:12):
Pete was Pete is his own man andhe did what he chose to do.
But it's foolish to think thatGarrety's actions did not
influence him to do that, andthat turned him into what he
didn't want to be.
He didn't want that for Garrity.
He wasn't that type of person.
He'd said that killing a deerwas the closest he ever wanted
to come to killing a man, andthat killing a man changes you
(33:36):
and makes you into somethingelse.
SPEAKER_02 (33:38):
I think it's wild to hear somebody say sacrificing
his life so that the better mancan live is selfish.
SPEAKER_00 (33:45):
I agree it's a wild statement, but I think not just
wild.
SPEAKER_02 (33:48):
I think you're making some like strong, it's
foolish to think.
No, dude.
I think it's a very rationalargument.
No, it's not.
He did the exact opposite thingof what he wanted to do.
He wanted to take vengeance onthe major.
He gave up that wish.
He gave it up.
He, I don't need that.
(34:09):
I need you to live.
I need you, this man right here,who sees the good in everything,
who can see the wrinkler.
SPEAKER_00 (34:20):
That's Garret's wish.
SPEAKER_02 (34:22):
Let me give up my life so you, the better person,
can live.
That's selfish.
That's a ridiculous claim.
SPEAKER_00 (34:29):
Better person who has made the better decisions
this entire time has made itvery clear I get what I want by
you continuing on.
He saw the light in Garritysaying that you are the future.
You can make this change.
I want to make a change in theworld.
You can do it.
SPEAKER_02 (34:48):
But then you're telling me that Garrity seeing
the major kill his dad, thenseeing the major kill Pete, and
he's gonna have the ability towalk away and see the good
bullshit.
I don't know.
I I probably don't think so.
That's nonsense to think thatthis guy would see two people
(35:08):
who his daddy outright told Petewas his hero, then Pete is his
hero.
He has to witness the major killboth of those people, and yet
he's gonna be okay with that andchoose to do the better thing
and not kill the major.
SPEAKER_00 (35:27):
But regardless, so regardless, even if he even if
he did kill the major, let's sayGarrety won and he killed the
major, Garrety doesn't loseanything by doing that, right?
SPEAKER_02 (35:38):
Yes, he does.
The uh the whole premise of thethe killing the major is he's
dead instantly.
SPEAKER_00 (35:46):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (35:47):
So there's no winner.
SPEAKER_00 (35:48):
Yes, there's no point.
He would have been happy doingthat.
He wanted to do that anyways,right?
SPEAKER_02 (35:52):
But there would have been no, there would have been
no benefit.
You have to realize that thissystem was set up in such a way
the major being killed wasn'tgonna end anything.
SPEAKER_00 (36:01):
I uh 100% understand that it's entirely a selfish way
for him to try to feel some sortof catharsis that I don't think
he would have actually gotten bykilling the major, because I
don't think that that Pete gotit either.
But I what I'm saying isGarrity, if Garrity had won,
Pete would have gotten his wishby letting Garrity win.
And Garrity would have donewhatever Garretti had decided to
(36:23):
do, and that would have been onGarrity.
But Garrity instead gave hislife uh for Pete against Pete's
wishes, and that changed Peteinto something he didn't want to
be.
I do.
SPEAKER_02 (36:36):
I think it would have been better that Pete died
the man he wanted to be.
I reject the argument that Petedid not wish to live.
I reject that argument outright.
How?
That's nonsense.
SPEAKER_00 (36:49):
How he he what do you mean?
He could have died at any pointduring it was so clear the
entire movie that Pete was goingto give his life for Garrety.
I saw that coming.
I knew by about a quarter of theway through the movie, I knew if
those two are the last ones,Pete is going to sacrifice
himself for Gary.
SPEAKER_02 (37:08):
Because he didn't read the book.
SPEAKER_00 (37:09):
Yeah, but I'm look okay, but let's uh the the book
was different, so let's talkabout the movie.
But yeah, but okay, watching themovie, I'm looking at this play
out and I'm saying I can seealready Pete is gonna sacrifice
himself for Garrety.
That is clearly his intentions.
That's the way they wrote thischaracter.
He's so obviously going tosacrifice himself for Garrety.
(37:31):
That's the way they changed thischaracter, yes, but that's the
character we saw in the movie.
So that's what we're talkingabout.
We're talking about the movie.
Pretty much like a completelydifferent.
SPEAKER_02 (37:41):
But the problem is, is when you're when you're going
off of something like this, yousay, I saw it from all the way
back there.
Okay, but you're not evenanticipating, you're not taking
into account what the writerswere doing.
But was I wrong?
That's exactly what he did.
Nobody, nobody has publicly saidthat Pete had always intended to
(38:03):
die for Gardy.
SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
No, oh come on.
You can watch what do you mean?
That's so obvious.
SPEAKER_01 (38:11):
That either would do either.
I I think that at the end of theday they formed this like
unbreakable, traumatic bond of afriendship brotherhood.
That either way, one's notwalking in front of the other
until the other dies.
They're either one's gonnasacrifice for the other or vice
(38:32):
versa.
Okay, I agree.
SPEAKER_02 (38:34):
That's fair, but I will not agree to that point
while claiming that Garretti wasbeing selfish in that.
SPEAKER_01 (38:45):
That's not that's not a true, fair or I I feel
like Garrett is inherently aselfish character, though.
SPEAKER_00 (38:54):
Yeah, I I think Garrety's actions were selfish.
Exactly.
I think he's selfish because ofwhat he did to his mother, and
then he could have survived andseen his mother, and he could
have let Pete sacrifice himselfwhen Pete said, I have no one to
live for.
You need to get to your mother.
SPEAKER_02 (39:10):
There is no way.
SPEAKER_00 (39:14):
No, it's not.
SPEAKER_02 (39:14):
You can't just say there's no influence.
It doesn't matter.
He's totally responsible foryour actions.
SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
No, uh, don't go there.
SPEAKER_02 (39:22):
That's unrealistic.
SPEAKER_00 (39:24):
It's unrealistic and unhuman.
Stop, let me finish theargument.
Well, did you not watch themovie?
He never once gave you any codethat said he wasn't gonna do it.
Because he didn't say, you knowwhat?
You're right, Pete.
I'm not gonna do it.
He didn't say that.
SPEAKER_02 (39:39):
Pete never gave you an idea that he was going to do
that.
SPEAKER_00 (39:43):
Never.
SPEAKER_02 (39:43):
No, I think that's a stupid argument.
And it can be ask any soldierwho's had guns pointed at them
and say you give your life orthey give their life.
SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
Alex, who do you think should win?
SPEAKER_02 (40:10):
Of course, me.
SPEAKER_00 (40:11):
That's pretty selfish.
SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
And that's pretty fucking selfish.
So, Eric, you are the winner fortoday's episode.
Thank you all for watching.
Of course, the boyfriends.
A It's not my fault.
I like your son.
He's pretty handsome.
Okay.
I was gonna say, to be fair, heagreed with my argument, but to
be fair, he married me and mywife.
(40:33):
Uh so I did do that.
Wow, that's an interestingdynamic.
SPEAKER_00 (40:38):
It's not a thruple, like sound.
SPEAKER_01 (40:40):
We're cozy is my son.
SPEAKER_00 (40:44):
Cozy now has two dads and two moms.
That is crazy.
Huh?
SPEAKER_01 (40:51):
Yeah, two of them.
That's completely off of thedice robot.
I I'm not taking any sides here.
I will say that you both madecompletely good points at
points, but then you juststarted yelling at each other,
and I was just sitting herelaughing.
Uh it's been a while since y'allgot into an argument.
It's always you.
(41:12):
It's always you also.
I felt like we needed it.
SPEAKER_02 (41:15):
We lack controversy on this podcast.
Yeah, I do feel like thisepisode is gonna do well.
We we definitely lackcontroversy sometimes.
SPEAKER_00 (41:23):
No, I get one season point from Josh.
I mean, what's really funnyabout he says this was all my
fault.
SPEAKER_02 (41:30):
Dude, we argue like this at the dinner table.
SPEAKER_00 (41:32):
Yeah, I was gonna say what's really funny about
this is that after this, I'mgonna go smoke.
He's gonna go do something onthe computer, and then we're
just gonna watch memes for alittle bit and just laugh and
forget this happened.
SPEAKER_01 (41:43):
It'd be like that.
Also, Rhode Island would be theeasiest one to rock across.
But you would have to acrosswhatever's next to it.
I don't know any of that.
SPEAKER_02 (41:51):
You'd have to walk around the whole state several
times.
SPEAKER_00 (41:54):
I was gonna say, would you even go into a new
state or would you just do laps?
SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
Well, you just walk.
I think that would just getboring because you'd be like
stay confined into one state, ordo they cross or do they just
start in one state?
SPEAKER_02 (42:06):
I don't know.
I I have no clue.
I don't remember themmentioning.
SPEAKER_00 (42:10):
I would imagine that you would stay in one state.
SPEAKER_01 (42:14):
Well, we could have had this conversation a lot
earlier in the podcast.
Thank you all for listening.
And until next time, stay alive.
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