Will You Survive "The Purge": Family Betrayals and Bloody Survival

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A seemingly impenetrable fortress, a wealthy family, and the annual night when all crime becomes legal—what could possibly go wrong? The answer: everything, when your teenagers decide to sabotage your carefully constructed safety plan.

The 2013 film "The Purge" introduced audiences to a disturbing vision of America where one night each year, citizens can commit any crime without consequences. For security system salesman James Sandin, this yearly event has been a lucrative opportunity to protect his gated community with steel shutters and surveillance—until his son's compassion and daughter's deception unleash chaos within their own walls.

As we dissect this claustrophobic thriller, we explore why the most dangerous threats often come from within. Why do both Sandin children betray their father's authority during the most dangerous night of the year? How could a security expert fail to implement basic defensive measures like safe rooms or outdoor traps? And perhaps most troubling—what kind of society could possibly function with an annual purge of violence that disproportionately impacts the poor?

Beyond the home invasion drama, we examine the logical flaws and missed opportunities in the film's premise. If you steal someone's car or house during the Purge, is it legally yours afterward? Would insurance companies cover Purge-related damages? And most importantly, how could anyone possibly live peacefully next door to neighbors who just attempted to slaughter their family hours earlier?

Whether you're a horror fan, social commentator, or just wondering how you'd survive when all law breaks down, this episode delivers both laughs and serious reflection on human nature when all restraints are removed. Join us for a survival plan that includes minefields, proper wall reinforcements, and the world's most awkward post-Purge neighborhood barbecue conversation.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hello survivors and welcome to another episode of
Will you Survive.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
The Podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I am Eric.
I am your host today, and weare joined by my fellow purgers
Alex that's me and TJ.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Blessed be our new founding fathers.
Nice, good call.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Good call.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
A nation reborn, a podcast reborn, oh.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
That was the alarm.
A podcast reborn.
I'm sure, that was really loud.
Eric, you're fired.
No, I'm not, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Too real, too real.
Somebody walks into the roombehind you you, kicks you out of
your chair.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, all right.
Well, this episode I actuallyhave a fun little twist that I
haven't read any of these so Ihave no idea how this
conversation is going to go.
But our number one fan,official josh, was messaging me
earlier today, okay, um, and wassaying that he had quite the

(01:27):
opinions about this movie.
He shared some briefly that Iwouldn't 100% agree with.
And then I told him I was like,hey, you should send me a list
and we'll do like a Josh'sthoughts segment.
But then he sent me a lot and Iwas like, well, I guess we're
just doing a whole episode onjosh, so I'm totally stealing

(01:50):
josh's thoughts here, okay, andwe're going to discuss all of
his thoughts about this movie sofor those of you who don't know
, because you live under a rockyou know this was from 2013.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
It was so recent.
How scary is that?
In an america wracked by crimeand overcrowded prisons, the
government has sanctioned anannual 12-hour period in which
any and all criminal activity,including murder, becomes legal.
Yeah, the police can't becalled hospitals.
Suspend help.
It's one night when thecitizenry regulates itself

(02:24):
without thought of punishment.
On this night, plagued byviolence and an epidemic of
crime, one family wrestles withthe decisions of who they will
become when a stranger comesknocking.
When an intruder breaks intoJames Sandin's gated community
during the yearly lockdown, hebegins a sequence of events that
threatens to tear a familyapart.

(02:45):
Now it's up to James, his wifeMary and their kids to make it
through the night withoutturning into the monsters from
whom they hide.
Purge, purge, purge, purge.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
That's nice I was trying something new.
What?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
is it Michael.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Myers Podcast Reborn?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
So let's get to it.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
His first gripe, charlie undermines his father
for no good reason.
He says what he did.
Charlie lets a completestranger into the house during
the purge, the most dangerousnight of the year, because he
quote feels bad for him.
Yep, he said why it's stupid.
He doesn't even try to ask hisparents or think through the
risk.
It's a childish, emotional,impulsive move that nearly gets

(03:26):
everyone killed.
And then he says how it's abetrayal.
He flat out overrides hisfather's decision and disables
the entire security system fromthe inside.
That's not just disobedience,it's sabotage.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
And I agree, I think both of his kids suck.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I hated literally all of them.
I cannot believe.
The entire family I hated them.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, the mother, I think, was fine.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
She was fine at the end, but she didn't do much.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
I mean, I think they all thought they wouldn't have
to do much.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I think the mother was the best one.
Who the mother?
I have a problem with themother.
What they wouldn't have to domuch, no.
So I think the dad was ready tolike fight for his family.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
You know I have a problem with the mother, so what
?
She's helping james by impalingthe guy while he's trying to
get him in the chair and then,after james gets him in the
chair, she's like look at whatyou've done, like bitch, really
well no, she said, look at what,what?
Look at what you've done, likebitch really.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well no, she said look at what, what?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
look at what we're doing yeah, what have we become?
What have we become?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
And I, I agree with her, she and I.
I mean, if you're going to havethat moment of of like
realizing what you're doing andshe made him change his mind,

(04:49):
she best character, I think thedad kind of went a little crazy,
but I think he had very validreasons.
He got betrayed by both of hiskids, yeah, and then just wanted
to try and save his family.
It was a stranger's life, orhis family's, so I think he made
a valid choice.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
The daughter she didn't feel that gun on him.
They were all up in bed makingout for real.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
I mean, she wasn't touching butt, she wasn't
touching back she's like is thata, a Glock in your pocket, or
are you just happy to see?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
me, yeah, yeah.
So, speaking of the daughter,josh's second gripe, zoe
endangers everyone with hercreepy older boyfriend.
Yep, what she did?
She hides her much olderboyfriend in her room without
telling anyone, knowing fullwell that tensions exist between
him and her father.
I will say she actually did notknow he was going to be there.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
He snuck in and that was a whole big thing.
She kept it a secret, though.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yep, yeah, I guess that's true.
Yeah, you're right, you'reright, you're right.
He says Wyatt's stupid.
He literally tries to killJames during the purge.
His plan was to talk to him bypulling a gun.
What did she think was gonnahappen?
Uh, how it's a betrayal.
Zoe allowed a ticking time bombinto the house on purge night.
If your family locks down toavoid murders, maybe don't hide
one in your room.
You didn't know he was amurderer also.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I feel like her.
She's, she's a dumb teenager.
Uh, first thing I caught on toI haven't seen this since it
came out.
Uh, the way I caught on to brobeing a bad dude is she was like
I love you and he was just likelet's not do that.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
We got to say something different.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, like, shut the fuck up, just say it back.
And he didn't.
I was just like, yeah, no, he'snot in it for her.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Why don't we grr at each other?
Although I did think that whatshe said was ridiculous.
It's like did you lookridiculous?
Do you have any idea howridiculous we all looked as
teenagers?

Speaker 2 (06:28):
but yeah, oh, absolutely.
She definitely put the fuckingfamily in danger doing that shit
, so absolutely did here's whatI'll say about her, in my
opinion.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
um, when the boyfriend got shot, I don't see
a world where, after he pulled agun on my dad, that I would
ever care after that.
So to me it's even bizarre thatshe was like oh my God, are you
OK?
I can't believe what happened,like, why did you do?

Speaker 4 (06:55):
that.
Why did you do that?

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I don't think there's any part of me like at that
point, you just shot at my dad,yeah, what?
Like yeah, that's kind of thepoint where she should have
realized I've been betrayed,yeah, and I thought I what I was
worried about was that, becauseI didn't remember the movie
that well, when james firstwalked into her room and saw her
boyfriend dead on the ground,yeah I thought that for like a

(07:19):
brief second.
The way the camera was set up,it kind of made it seem like she
was going to come in behind himand like hit her dad or
something or do something stupid.
She didn't, but that was justkind of like the camera angles
that it made me feel that way.
But I'm glad that when she camein contact with her family then
at the next point sheimmediately was like I'm so
sorry, I didn't know he wasgonna do that like is dad.

(07:41):
Okay, that was her first concernafter that and I think that
that redeemed her a little bit.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
In my mind, the reason why I didn't redeem her
to me was because she waiteduntil after henry was expired
yeah that was like okay.
Now you come and ask ifeverything's okay and the her
and the boyfriend are the entireplot weaponry, like without
them, the homeless dude nevergets away from the family and

(08:08):
and, frankly speaking, uh, howbig is this house that they
everybody was able to hide likepretty damn big house, but so
this is like one of those yeahand a new addition.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
You didn't, you didn't see it is beautiful this
is like one of those houses inlike a video game, where you're
like the functionality of this.
This is just non-existent.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Why do you need that big of a house, though?

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Also, I mean there are four of you, I'm I'm talking
about the lunacy of this house,but we got to get further in so
I can complain about some laterthings.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Do you have anything else to say about that?
Tj.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I was just going to say like I think that was decent
writing to make you know theaudience think that you know, oh
, her allegiances might just liewith her boyfriend instead of
her family, you know.
So, like when he did walk inthere and you're like, oh, for a
second I thought she was goingto murk them.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Cause the same thing.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
But I was, I was worried, I was like, no, don't
do, don't do it, like don't bestupid.
I think the fact that they,they, they play it off like the
way they, did.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
It's like you thought the daughter was gonna work I
thought the daughter, I kind oflike to kill the dad.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
I didn't trust her yeah, well, like, like I said,
when he found henry on theground, the way the camera was
set up was like she was gonnacome out of nowhere from behind,
like smack him with a baseballbat or something.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
I thought she had his gun and she was going to blast.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I didn't think she was going to actually do it.
But I thought she was going todo something stupid.
She was going to hold it up tohis head or something.
But I'm glad she did it andthat's why the second she found
her family she was like I can'tbelieve you did that.
I'm so sorry, is dad okay?
Like that, that was what shecared about.
It was like okay.
At that point she'd alreadylike she was like fuck that guy,

(09:47):
I can't believe he yeah, butwhy you ran off with him is is
beyond me.
Yeah, I think like if you shootat my dad you're lucky, I don't
kill you like you're lucky, Idon't.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
I don't finish you off and you know, I'll tell you
one of the funnier things, thecontradiction of this it's and I
realized that the two moviesare 180 degrees.
If if there was a further wayto represent that, I would say
it.
But there's an old movie 90s.
I hate saying that it's an oldmovie that's three years ago.
Brendan frazier, get over it, Iknow brendan frazier and alicia

(10:18):
silverstone, called blast fromthe past.
There's a funny moment wherethe son, uh, meets his dad.
Christopher walken, brendanfraser, was the son.
He meets his dad and tells himyou know, I need you to trust me
, I'm gonna go back out and hisdad's saying like why, what do
you mean?
He goes, look, I, I need you totrust me, without understanding
, and the dad says, well, I mean, if that's what you need, then

(10:39):
of course you got it.
It's like it's fantastic to seethe complete polar opposite,
where the kid, the son whobetrayed the family, had
absolutely no trust in his dadwhatsoever, to say I can't open
this, even if it was to go andask his dad to go and get his
dad and say, hey, this guy isoutside begging for help, what

(11:02):
should we do?
He didn't give any kind ofcredit to his dad at all, he
just opened the freaking.
So I completely agree.
Betrayal couldn't stand him.
Daughter, absolute betrayalshould have been far more uh,
transparent to dad hey, thisguy's still here.
Um, that kind of, I think thatkind of would have revealed his
motive if she would have gottenup and been like I'm out.

(11:25):
But I guess maybe his plans, asnefarious as they were, weren't
as well concocted as I wasgiving him credit for.
Okay, Because I'm kind ofthinking maybe his thought was

(11:46):
oh, if I unalive.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
James during the purge.
I can't go to jail and her andI will live happily ever after.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Maybe it was that stupid.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah well, instead of like insidious, yeah I, I was
kind of thinking the same thing,like does he actually love her,
or and is he just that stupid,or was this always about just
killing her dad?

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I feel like you know yeah, killing, yeah, you think
so.
Yeah, I would like to bring upa point that, okay, nerdy vet
said, but I also thought, bro,the dad is a, he sells security
systems.
Yep, why wouldn't he put themaximum security on his house?
He did Fucking, did not.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
It took one truck, I think.
Well, he was saying, like thesystems that they sold were not
designed to actually havesomeone trying to break in.
It was more to deter, becausehe was saying everything which
this kind of goes to somethingyou've said before, alex, that
everything can be broken into.
It's just a matter of time andpressure, and so these weren't
really designed to actually bean impenetrable fortress.

(12:46):
It was just designed to lookstrong enough that people are
like I'd rather go for an easiertarget, so that was the idea of
it.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
But if someone really wanted to get in, they can get
in In a world where people aremurdering people.
On this one day I would takethe utmost precaution in like
making sure my family was good,like I would have at least.
Like, oh, that security systemcan be on the house, right, you
know it's not impenetrable butwhatever.

(13:13):
But also, can we have a fuckingsafe room or something?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
right like give us some like 10 foot, freaking
thick steel.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
You know, where are the traps?
Can I piggyback on you?
Where are the traps?
Where are the traps?
Can I piggyback on you a littlebit, tj.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Where are the traps outside?

Speaker 4 (13:27):
That would have sold a lot Something you said, like
he's the one who is sellingthese security systems.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
One of the things that bothered me about these
steel plates that they have.
They were clearly bulletproof.
They were.
You're not going to shootthrough it with ordinary
weaponry, that's all fine, allgreat.
Where with ordinary weaponry?
That's all fine, all great.
Where I had a problem was thesimplicity of the steel plating.
It costs nothing in comparisonto the steel plates to have the
plates embedded in the ground.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
So if it were to go into a groove, there is no way
some freaking pickup truck isgonna pull yeah, if the thing
down if it went down, and thenthere was like a slot for it to
go into, exactly, yeah, you'retalking about the, the price
would have been.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
And when you're talking about the size of those
steel plates, how many of themthere are around this house and
all of the windows that to do alittle tongue and groove in the,
the perimeter, for all of theseit would have been all of the
difference in the world andthere would have been no way you
would just back a truck up Nowyou could still get through.
But what I've said aboutsecurity good security keeps

(14:31):
honest people honest.
With enough time and pressure,a bad person can get into
anything.
So this part's true.
However, this is a timeline,isn't it?
Is it?
Is it 24 hours, or was it only12 hours?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
hours.
It was 12.
Right, it was at sunset andthen it was sunrise.
Once the light comes out,that's what it said I thought
they were.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
I thought the whole premise was 24 hours, but they
confused the heck out of me 24hours, so way too long.
I get that but 12 hours totunnel under a house.
That clearly comes from peoplewho have never dug a hole yeah,
you don't have time for that.
I mean like yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Well, you could get construction equipment.
I guess Now hold on Withconstruction equipment.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
you're sitting there in a steel-plated house that he
clearly has slots and he hasguns.
You pick off drivers, which iswhy I don't understand why they
didn't pick off the drivers whowere coming up trying to take
their steel gates down.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah Well, truth be told, they weren't like well
actually, I will say the dadfought like hell.
He did Holy crap oh yeah, Iwasn't expecting any fight from
him.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
I was literally thinking so that was crazy, Like
why don't we have Ethan Hawkefucking like John Wick type
movie?
Bro, he was pulling somefucking hard shit.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
He was killing it.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah, I mean he.
I see what you did there.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, Pun intended, he won a 2v1.
He did Like that's crazy and ifit wasn't for that slimy little
slink he would have been fine.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
He's a sneaky snake, he's so sneaky.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
That leads to Josh's third point.
Both kids make James look likea clueless, ineffective dad.
Yep, the dynamic James spendsall of this money on a
fortress-like home and acts likehe has control, but his kids
completely ignore his authorityand wreck all of it.
The irony he sells securitysystems for a living but can't
even secure his own home for hisown children.
Literally, or from his ownchildren, he says.

(16:18):
The result he ends up dyingbecause of the chain of events
that his kids set in motion, histrust and efforts to protect
his family, all undone by them.
Final result the betrayaldirectly leads to his death.
If Charlie hadn't opened thedoor, if Zoe hadn't hidden her
boyfriend, if they had justlistened to their parents for
one night, the dad would stillbe alive.
How to fix it in the story?
He said give the kids more.

(16:38):
So I don't necessarily agreewith this stuff, but we'll see.
I'm gonna read it.
He said give the kids moredepth.
Show that they've beenemotionally or morally
conflicted about the purgesystem for a long time.
I kind of think they did, yeahno, the sun was definitely like.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
They really showed that about it.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Neither of them like.
Neither of them wanted to eatdinner because they were like
this is just, this is not a goodnight and their and their
parents are like, oh well, youknow it's, it's important.
Um, it's important maybe makecharlie part of an underground
anti-purge hacker group insteadof just a kid who felt bad.
But I kind of think a kid whofelt bad makes the most sense,
because kids aren't usuallythinking super in-depth and with

(17:20):
multiple layers.
It's very simplistic A guy wascrying out for help, he was
desperate because he was dying,and a kid felt bad.
Yep, I could definitely seethat happening.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, no, kids are.
You raise them the way thatthey like you know like kids
don't just become inherently away that they are.
They're usually like morecompassionate for like things.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
You know.
So it can make sense.
Passionate for like things youknow.
So yeah, it makes sense that,um, then he says let zoe's
boyfriend be a more sympatheticcharacter or show that she
didn't know he had a weapon.
But I think she also kind ofdid that.
I think she said like shedidn't know or she didn't know,
he had a weapon yeah, she didn'tknow he had a gun, um, but her
hiding him was stupid.
Uh, he said.
Instead, they're just carelessand rebellious in the dumbest,

(18:02):
most dangerous way possible andtheir dad pays the ultimate
price.
I do agree with that.
So, yeah, that sucks.
The guy died knowing that bothof his kids betrayed him.
Right, that's pretty awful.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, but also, why the fuck do they have access to
the security system?

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
The Purge Day security system.
Like yeah, I get, like I'llgive'll give him a code to like
turn off the alarm, type shit,but like the security system dog
yeah, exactly and it's likeyeah I can't believe.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
I agree.
Why did he have the code I?
You know I thought about thatwhen he put it in.
I was like my mom wanted togive him the code, right?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
yeah, like dude and then like again why the fuck
would you not make your housemore secure?
You know it's so stupid, likejust a little bit of thermite
you could get through that shit.
I can't believe there was notraps.
No, no, yeah that.
That was a point that youbrought up, like where's the
traps at?
Where's the turrets on the roof?

Speaker 1 (19:03):
yeah, I think like to defend the outside.
I think it would make sensethat you would have like.
The first thing I thought iswhen they attach chains to the
door, where's the shock trap,something, something like a
metal on metal.
Shock the shit out of like yeahI played siege have something
in in the, in the, in the porcharea, that you can drop if

(19:24):
somebody's sitting on your frontdoor yeah, they could have
killed him right away dosomething.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, it is crazy to me that they had no traps
outside to defend themselves soin in this particular story um
the bloody stranger we're notreally told a whole lot, but in
the later movies it says he hadsome like military background
and um he becomes more importantin uh purge election day yeah,

(19:50):
he because he like he shows backup and he has like a whole,
like militia group yeah, he'sbig on the.
Uh, he's on the anti-purge.
Yeah would you.
I guess you would call itresistance.
That's what I that was lookingfor Anti-purge resistance.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Speaking of election day, I've never seen any of the
other purges, but do you thinkthat if the purge were a real
thing, do you think that peoplewould follow that rule where it
said there's certain governmentofficials that are immune, I
mean like and do you think itwould be provable?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
that somebody?
I don't think people wouldfollow that rule because like I
don't think so.
You're walking around with agun and nobody would bat an eye
type shit so like yeah, right,but I mean theoretically.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Those people would be like hidden away in safe houses
, like bunkers and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, but I mean, let's be real, If it was really
that crazy, how many people inthe country do you think would
say nope, I'm going straight foryou.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Straight for the president, yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Only because you say you're so special you don't have
to be.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
I'm going to form alliances, yeah, there would
definitely be a huge group ofpeople.
So we briefly said before westarted recording that if we got
all of the survivors from Willyou Survive together, we could
survive the purge.
Who would betray?
Who would be the first?
You, me, yeah.
No I would be the betrayed.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
TJ would screw us both.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I would definitely not, motherfucker.
I would be locked in by myselfsomewhere you would not find me.
Nobody is checking.
Like rural Nebraska Bitch, I'llbe on the next flight the day
before in a fucking hut justchilling.
Nobody's looking for me.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
So this comment is worth reading here.
It's from Fenriris Home Alone.
Did it better with traps?
Tj to your point.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah.
What was it Landmines?
Bury mines in the ground thatare wired with the security
system.
So once the system drops, minesget activated.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
And then once the day's over they unactivate.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Like you got enough money to replace some fucking
dirt or fucking you know, cementthat's around.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, this guy got money.
Yeah, I really think that thelack of traps was what killed
him.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yeah, no traps, no safe room, yeah, I honestly also
think the lack of I hate to usethe term aggressiveness, but
it's like I get it.
And I have to first yield tothe fact that him and his wife
had kind of become complacent tothis.
You guys are bringing thispoint up that the kids were

(22:38):
opposed to the whole purge ideaand the movement.
The parents had kind of becomenumb, if you would say they're
just going through the motion,right, dad got rich by selling
these alarm and security systems.
They didn't really know thatthey were going to to do
anything.

(22:58):
But I really think that we skipover a lot of purges to get to
this point where.
How did you survive in the past?
You had to have, they had tohave unalived some people.
That's just not realistic?

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Maybe not because he was saying that normally in
their neighborhoods this kind ofstuff doesn't happen.
That was something that he saidkind of stuff doesn't happen,
but that was something that hesaid.
But this this guy camestrolling into the neighborhood
begging for help and he just sohappened to be the target of
somebody else, which is the onlyreason that they were even
targeted how long ago?

(23:35):
Was the first purge, though.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, that's a good question, yeah I don't know,

Speaker 1 (23:37):
that I don't think they give that information.
They will.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
There there's a whole ass like about it Backstory.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Let me just Well that makes me Well.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
do we know what year this Purge lands in the?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
first annual Purge, as depicted in the Purge
franchise, took place in 2017.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
And this was 2022.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
It was a test run confined to Staten Island in New
York.
The first event depicted in thefilm, the Purge, occurred.
What Hold on?

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Well, here's a timeline.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
So, 2014,.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
The new founding fathers of America rise to power
after an economic collapse.
2017, the first experimentalpurge occurs on Staten Island.
That was actually so okay.
So we go backwards in theseries when you watch the first
purgege and then, in 2018, thepurges rolled out nationally.
In 2022, the events of thepurge 2013 unfold during the

(24:32):
fifth annual nationwide purge,so we watched one of the later
ones.
Uh, finally, purge election dayhappens after also one that we
watch.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
All crime is legal.
Why is everybody murdering?

Speaker 1 (24:46):
yeah, there are more crimes you could fucking.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
You could fuck with your taxes, yeah but that's the
one.
I don't know if I don't know ifit's clear by the time the 12
hours, but you really could justlike whoa steal you just like
you know what.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
You are right, you could go into Fort Knox.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
You could go steal a car, Wait.
So if you stole a car, would itbe your car?

Speaker 4 (25:12):
I know right.
Or would you have to forge thedocuments, or do you have to
turn it back in the next day?

Speaker 1 (25:17):
You would have to forge the documents, and then
it's yours.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
See, but all of that is, I think, low-level thinking.
Then it's yours, see, but allof that is, I think, low-level
thinking.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
You go into a bank and you just boom.
Get a job at a bank?
Yeah, but that's the problem.
Get a job at a bank.
This guy says Well, you sawpolice officers using their
service weapons and firefighterssetting fires in the beginning.
Oh yeah, so I think people werealready doing that.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
No bigger group of arsons than firefighters.
You know that.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, arsons than firefighters.
You know that.
Yeah, I think I think they justwant fucking overtime.
They're like dude, we're gonnaget so fucking paid and they're
right.
Okay, so what's next?
Um, okay, so next thing that heput on there uh, he said the
central premise is logicallyweak problem.
Legalizing all crime, includingmurder, for 12 hours to reduce
overall crime makes nopsychological, economic or
sociological sense.
I don't know if it necessarilyhas to, other than the fact that
the movie just says that washappening.

(26:18):
Okay, so like, why does thiskind of happen, though?

Speaker 2 (26:21):
it's like because you're fucking broke and you
needed some money, so you stealor you don't like this bitch so
you kill her, or you know soeverybody has like their reasons
for doing something, so if theyget that something done on that
day, they don't need to.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I could see it any other time I could, I could see
the logic that's the logic, butif people knew like, oh, I'll
just wait till this day wherethere's no consequences, then it
would happen less.
I think violent crimes wouldhappen less.
I don't know if, like bluecollar and stuff like that, I
think that might just stillhappen, naturally.
But oh, yeah, I don'tcompletely think the premise of

(26:59):
if something like this wereenacted, that crime would drop.
I don't think that's completelyout of the question, uh see, I
maybe not to the extent, butlike not to the extent of the
movie where it was like what, 95or something, something crazy
yeah I see I have a hard timebelieving that that would be
true really yeah, um, you don'tthink if people knew like oh,

(27:20):
I'll just fucking wait in the umin the no, because I think too
many crimes occur out ofspontaneity, out of passion, out
of anger, out of spite, out ofit's opportunity.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
See, in order to convict, you need means, motive
and opportunity.
The opportunity doesn't come onone day scheduled.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Can I propose an idea ?
Do you think there'spossibility in which, if the
purge actually existed, thatimmediately after the purge
crime would be the highest?
Well, I would actually say itwould probably be pretty low
still, um, maybe with a slightspike, and I would.
The reason I would say that isbecause immediately when the
purge ends I could see a couplepeople still committing a crime,

(28:02):
hoping to get away with it.
So I could see crime spikingright after the purge and then
going back down to virtuallynothing.
And then to slowly.
I would say that it would belike a bell curve where, um,
like three months after thepurge, more crime would start
happening because people arelike, ah, the purge is so far

(28:22):
away, but the closer the purgegets, I think people would are
like, ah, the purge is so faraway, but the closer the purge
gets, I think people would belike I'll just wait for the
purge.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
No see, I don't think what.
What is inevitable to happen isif I saw, let's say, I
successfully survived, butsomebody unalived one of my
children.
I'm not going to wait for thenext purge.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I don't care.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
My life is over, my seed is gone.
I'm going to take you out.
You're one of my next doorneighbors and you tied up my son
and my daughter and you wantedto unalive them in front of me.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
No.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
At which I don't want to.
I don't want to skipunnecessarily, but I got things
to say about that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Um, in the I think it's election year, the one
before it, I don't know uh,there are people who travel from
different countries also to dothe purge tourism I could see
that see that, that see, butthat's the kind of shit that
should, that should be banned inthis, in this universe I feel

(29:23):
like what the purge is, justother

Speaker 1 (29:26):
countries it's.
It's a united states thing manget the hell out of here.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
It's a hunger games yeah, I feel like we just need
to gather up a bunch of kids,put them into an arena, watch it
on fucking sports center, espn,whatever, okay okay that'll be
cathartic, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
That was actually something that Josh said.
He said to improve upon thepremise, narrow the concept to
something more plausible, like agovernment-sponsored combat
zone or sanctioned duels insteadof a blanket lawlessness period
.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
That's in the first purge.
That happened in the canon.
It was just in one spot instaten island but I will say
this.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
I will say this.
So what if any idea how muchthe united states would save on
tax dollars if every singlegovernment worker, bureaucrat,
law enforcement officer, everysingle tax paid employee is off
for a day?

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Well, you know, what I was thinking is the EMTs would
probably not participate in thepurge, because they would have
to participate in the purge andthen, immediately after the
purge, get in a truck and goaround helping everybody.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
yeah, which would probably be like the busiest day
ever I've got an idea for thepremise what if?

Speaker 2 (30:55):
because, like there's federal laws, there's state
laws, right?
What if?
Every state just has adifferent purge?
In what way?
Just like what?
If they have it, it doesn'thave to be on the fucking purge
day the state will have, it'llchoose its own purge day.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Oh, so you could just participate in multiple purges
per year?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
yeah, I feel like, yeah, and I feel like that
boosts the economy becauseeverybody's paying for flights
to get to fucking nebraska,where their purges on the fifth,
and then immediately flyingover to New York, cause it's on
the seventh, and I feel likethat would that would cut down
on crime, cause they're too busyfucking chasing the purge.
Hmm, okay, and it would startin Colorado first, cause they

(31:35):
illegalized weed and weed makesyou kill first, everybody.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Oh yeah, that's definitely true.
It's sin.
Okay, Moving on from that, apodcast reborn.
This is a drug hate podcast nowso josh says his next gripe is
zero real world economic orsocial fallout problem.
There's no explanation of howsociety could function with

(32:02):
massive property damage, traumaand death every year.
Improvement show real worldconsequences, insurance chaos,
ptsd rates, corrupt uhcorporations profiting from it
to ground it in realism, which Ikind of think they somewhat
show a little bit.
Did you guys listen to thebroadcasting at the end in the
credits?

Speaker 4 (32:21):
yeah, well, there, I mean that was.
It's kind of the opposite ofwhat what I think would really
happen.
It was the most successfulpurge in purge history.
And okay, what?
What made this so successful?
Especially because, at least inthis one area how many areas
across the country did the purgemove into the rich areas?

(32:41):
Because in the early credits inthe beginning they were talking
about how it was only the poorwho were affected by, yeah, the
purge move into the rich areas.
Because in the early credits inthe beginning they were talking
about how it was only the poorwho were affected by, yeah, the
purge.
Now it moved into the richneighborhoods and that's where
property damage actually occurs,that's where money flies off
the shelves from insurancecompanies, which makes this, in

(33:01):
my opinion, makes this so muchmore unrealistic, because then
insurance companies are havingto pay out every year for the
purge.
No, we're done not happeningthey're not gonna pay out.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Because they're not gonna pay out?
Because they would probablymake some stipulation that any
damage done during the purge isnot covered, right?
But then who's?
Who's gonna pay for it?
the government no, they have topay for it the government.
No, they have to pay for itthemselves.
Yeah, yeah, I agree that therewould be no feasible way to
handle that as a society, but Ialso agree.

(33:33):
Going back to what you weresaying earlier, there's no way
you could watch your neighbortry to kill your kids right in
front of you while you're tiedup, and then the alarm goes and
you're like oh all right, bye,neighbor up, and then the alarm
goes and you're like ah, alright, my neighbors see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
hey Bob, how you doing absolutely not no, because
then I'm waiting all year longfor the next time you're going
to try this shit that wouldnever fly that's why the
different states purge ordesignated purge zones like
national parks or something youknow or hear me out and just
bring back fucking duels, Ithink bring back duels again,
please.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Yeah, I say, we bring back fucking duels, I think
bring back duels.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Do you want to duel motherfuckers again, please?
Yeah, I say we bring back Backand cloaks.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
That's what he said we bring back duels and cloaks.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
He said Josh said government-sponsored combat
zones or sanctioned duels.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
I kind of think I mean, frankly speaking, duels.
I think is this is the weirdestway to say this.
I think it's really the mostgentlemanly way of doing this.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
I knew you were going to use the word gentlemanly
Really, Because that's exactlywhat I was thinking too, no, no,
no, because have you guys seenthe last John Wick movie?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Good sir, no.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Which one which?

Speaker 1 (34:35):
one.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
The last one, 17?
No.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
John Wick 54?
.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
No.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, okay, I'll just john wick 100 you know what I
did.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
I did see the end.
It ends in a duel with yes lockpistols.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I think if duels were a thing, we would have to have
swords or single shot pistolscool that or like a crossbow,
would be kind of fucking crazyno, that actually makes sense
that if you miss you can clarify, because I didn, because I
didn't know it was a flintlockpistol, but that makes perfect
sense.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
You already said spoiler alert, so sorry guys,
but when the antagonist walks upto John Wick and the manager,
he's like you arrogant prick, hedidn't fire.
And then all of a sudden, johnWick sits up.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Oh, thanks, I'm sorry , nerdy Vets, breach load, not
flintlock, thank you.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
I don't care what you fucking think.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
So Josh's third point is a nationwide crisis reduced
to one house, he says, problem,the story is confined to a
single home invasion, wastingthe nationwide scale of the
purge concept.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Improvement, expand the scope show different classes
, public areas, rural versusurban chaos and to explore the
societal implications more fully.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I agree, they do show that, but they show it in the
news uh clips and excerpts thatthat are in there at the
beginning, right but I think,like the, I don't really have a
problem that they focused in onone family considering, but I
think there's too many purgemovies and they all explore
something different within thepurge.
So I agree that yeah I agreethat there is more to the purge.

(36:12):
But I think it might be a littleunfair to expect the first
movie to show the whole night,nationwide scale of it, yeah
when the whole purpose was justto show the effect it had on
this one family right.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I'm pretty sure the second movie follows just like a
couple Just on a drive, andthen the purge happens.
And then the third one I thinkthat's election year it follows
a government official, so that's.
I feel like that's a widevariety.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
You know, I actually want to watch more purge movies
now.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Really, I told you I would be down to fucking do the
next one.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, I didn't know that there was actually like
more story to it.
I thought it was just like ohyeah the purge movie like just
another night of killing eachother.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Why do you think they made so many?
If they make money, they'remaking more, you know, so
there's got to be.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, I understand that I just didn't.
I I didn't know that therewould be any connections to each
other.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
I thought it was just random purge movies, what I
like about it is it seems likethey decided as you're
suggesting.
It seems like they decided toexplore the other parts of the
universe rather than trying tomake it a sequential series of
movies which?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
there is some sort of crossover between, because the
homeless guy in this does comeback and also one of the
characters from 2 comes back inmultiple of them.
But there's also like there'smovies like this are cool
because there's like worldbuilding, as like the movies go
on or whatever, and like there'sdeep lore and whatever.

(37:45):
But there's like I'm prettysure in one of them there's like
a religious group that likesacrifices people for their
purge.
Whoa, damn.
Yeah, I think I'm rememberingthat I don't like it's been a
while since I watched thesemovies, but that's just brutal
as hell.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
I think I've seen.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Election Year in theaters.
It's probably that one.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I'm reading some of Josh's points and I'm starting
to think that he hasn't seen theother purges, like me, because,
based off what you guys aresaying, some of his problems I'm
like oh, but that's solved in alater movie.
So the next one he says is theSandlins are bland, rich and
dumb, which I actually agreewith.
I think that's a fair assessmenthe goes the main family is flat

(38:30):
, unlikable and often actsirrationally, like letting a
stranger in during purge night.
He says improvement duringpurge night, he says improvement
give the family deeperconflicting motivations which at
this point he says maybe onesupports the purge and another
opposes it, causing real tension.
But I think that's exactly whathappened with the, with the son
and the parents.

(38:51):
The son opposed it, the parentssupported it and that was the
tension when the son let thestranger in.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
I get your point, but is it fair to say they
supported it or they just livedin it?

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Um, I feel like they supported it.
I think I think they supportedit.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
He was like this is the day that everybody gets all
of their you know stuff out andblah, blah, blah.
You don't like if you supportsomething that I feel like,
that's the way you talk about it.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
I think the way that when the son said, would you
ever participate?
And he was like, oh yeah, if Iever felt the need, of course I
would participate.
That's supporting it.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
But see, like I wouldn't tell my daughter or my
son that I wouldn't participate.
You know, I wouldn't saysomething like that.
I would say something like Iwould probably tell them openly
I would take someone's life toprotect you and it's it's, it's
the way that I, I honestly feelabout it is I would I go out and

(39:53):
do that no, yeah, but that'snot come to me.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
I'm taking him out.
The son wasn't like if we werein danger, would you protect us?
The question was would youparticipate in the purge?

Speaker 4 (40:03):
But he's saying if I needed to.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
No, he said.
If I felt like I needed to letthat out, then yes, he was very
much in support of the purge.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
If that was what he said, then I would say that he
was supportive of it.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
I think the mother was kind of just going along
with it.
I don't know if she necessarilysupported it.
I think he thought he supportedit until it got too real, until
it was happening to him.
And I think that's when herealized yeah, because he was
able to just watch it on ascreen.
You saw how desensitized it was,is actually like a really

(40:40):
modern nasty, yeah, a reallynasty uh comparison to reality,
where we've been literally justtalking about how desensitized
we are to like really brutalshit we've become like I
literally watch a a clip of aukrainian soldier in the ukraine
war and it's like an airsoftvideo just on tiktok like this
is crazy.

(41:00):
We don't need to be seeing thiskind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
I've said that openly .
I haven't seen it on tiktok,but on instagram.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I've seen people unalived left and right and I'm
like, dude, ridiculous, you willnow don't give me a sensitive
content warning for like a puppybiting a toe and like a little
bit of blood comes out.
But then a guy will straight upfall 130 feet off of a cliff
and I'm like he, he died and I'mjust watching this.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
And no sensitive content warning, no, nothing uh,
that the the other thing is,they will full-on ban tiktokers.
I I mean, uh, grammars, whenthere was a girl who did not
intentionally show boobie andher whole boob came out and they
banned her account and that wasnot her content, like she

(41:45):
didn't post spicy content andthis one particular video.
It was a nip slip and one timeand they banned her account and
I was like dude, I would farrather my kids see nipples than
beheadings yeah, yeah I thinkthey're going to be far less
traumatized I just want to addsomething to the the ukrainian

(42:07):
war videos dude.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I hate, like it'll be , like I don't know which side
it was on is they're eitherrussians or ukrainians, but you
hear, like the fucking dronesthey're using oh yeah fucking
screech of the drones is sofucking unsettling.
Yeah, it's horrifying.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
It freaks me the fuck out yeah, it's a brutal,
horrible thing and and we'vebecome very desensitized to it.
So I think the the parentsbecame kind of desensitized to
it, like kind of far far andremoved away from it, because
you you especially heard it whenthey're like oh, maybe we'll
watch some purge events becamekind of desensitized to it, like
kind of far and removed awayfrom it, because you especially

(42:44):
heard it when they were like, oh, maybe we'll watch some Purge
events and I'm like we're justwatching these events for
entertainment during the Purgenight.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Is there like a Purge night football or like.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, it's like ESPN for the Purge.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Okay.
So all of that mindset kind ofreferences my point or not.
References Bolsters.
No, it kind of rebuts my pointwhy they weren't sitting up in
their house with the slottedsteel capping off at that truck
as he's pulling up to pull theirgates down, their doors down.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Where are the mounted turrets, or something?

Speaker 1 (43:17):
That's something I would be upstairs with a scoped
rifle and literally thatdriver's just give me a fucking,
but the dad was saying like helike supported it, but like very
passively, like no, I'magreeing, yeah, yeah, I'm
agreeing with that.
I didn't want to do anythingthat's what he.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
That's where his fault was yeah he thought that
this security system was enough,because it never happens to me.
I would have a whole room ofguns.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I would have a safe room.
Me too, I would have fuckingactivated moats Traps For real.
As soon as I turn on thesecurity system, everything
activates.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
And a lot of the money traps are outside.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
I don't care who it is, what it is, I you're getting
shot.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Stay away from my house like those automatic
turrets in the movie aliens yeah, I'll literally have.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I'll have a freaking speaker system out there like
hey, don't cross that line,you're gonna get shot I can't
control it, it's automated it'sanybody crosses that line it's
going I can't.
I can't shut off the systemuntil freaking 5 am, or whatever
.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
And who was that?
Who was complaining about James?
He has a boat.
What do you need a boat forwhen you Because they did the
add-on garage, wasn't it?
It was the add-on that theneighbors were complaining about
.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I assume that the security system you can open
just one of the panels you knowif it was any good right, shove
the dude, the homeless guy, inthe garage.
If you're really trying tosurvive, throw them in the
garage.
Lock the garage door, open thedoor till they get them shut it
or something.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Yeah I mean clearly the the beef was that they
didn't want to turn them overanymore.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
If they had a safe room go into the safe room.
Open the security.
They can come in your house.
You can replace everything.
You're rich, yep.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, I agree.
So Josh's next point.
He says the homeless strangeris a plot device which I don't
necessarily have a problem withbut he says problem, he has no
backstory or personality, usedonly to trigger the home
invasion conflict.
Now, if you don't know anythingabout the next movies, this is
a completely valid gripe.
He says improvement, give himdepth.

(45:27):
Maybe he's a veteran or formergovernment employees, so viewers
care whether he lives or dieshis purpose in the movie was to
just be a human being yeah, tobe fair, in the first movie,
when this first came out withnone of the other movies after
it he is a very kind of randomass character, but I think that
was kind of intentional, becauseyou were also feeling that same

(45:50):
uneasiness that the family wasfeeling where you're like you
don't know who this guy is orwhat he's capable of or what
he'll do, and sometimes know whothis guy is or what he's
capable of or what he'll do, andsometimes you need a plot
device to move the plot forward.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
There wouldn't have been anybody at their door
unless yeah, he was therebecause the people like that
that he sold the securitysystems to all his neighbors.
They said once the securitysystem was down was when they
decided to go over there truethey saw an opportunity yeah
they had no opportunity with thesecurity system.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
They didn't know how to do all of that yeah, that's
why I I don't mind that he was aplot device.
Um, I do agree, he kind of cameout of nowhere, but I do think
that also helps you feel whatthe family is feeling, where
you're like I don't know whatthis guy is gonna do.
Um and now that he's in here,that you know what do you do?

Speaker 2 (46:39):
yeah he would.
He like he didn't have a weapon, didn't he?
He didn't have one.
He found a gun in the houseright.
He was injured, he was running.
I feel like he would haveimmediately just murked the kid.
It doesn't take that much tofreaking.
Sorry, tiktok, choke a kid outyou know, so like you know, so I
feel like there's something youknow, like he was just there to

(47:00):
be human to show some sort ofcompassion, although he did.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
He did slam her head into a wall.
He fucking did.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
He bodied her it took her like freaking 10 minutes to
wake up.
Oh yeah, she was out for awhile.
She has a concussion.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
You remember that she wasn't she just like laying
there afterwards like yeah, justlike staring off, like she was
yeah, even when she wasconcussed when she woke up, she
was yeah, she was concussed yeah, he hit her hard, yep, so like
that.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Now that I think was like come on, man you're trying
I mean, you're not the bad guy,but then you do that and you're
like that's that's really.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
We're looking for him and he, you know, it's like
yeah I get it uh wounded animal.
Well, but which?

Speaker 4 (47:46):
I think josh's point is very well made, in that he
was just there for for plot,artillery weaponry and uh and
armor.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
He's simultaneously yeah, somewhat yep, yeah, well,
and I I think that actually, notknowing anything about him and
being the whole time you're likethis could go good, this could
go bad, he could be good, hecould be bad, I don't know at
the end, when he does decide toto help the family, I think that
really accentuates hischaracter arc.
Right where you knew nothingabout him this whole time.
Really, he kind of he was likekind of played both sides a

(48:16):
little bit at some times andyou're like accentuates his
character arc right where youknew nothing about him this
whole time.
Really, he kind of he was likekind of played both sides a
little bit at some times andyou're like I don't know where
he's gonna fully land, yep.
And then he ends up defendingthe mom and and is like her, her
muscle, yep uh, at the end, youknow.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
So, after, after he leaves, at the end he's, uh, you
know, he's in this nice uh, youknow rich neighborhood and he
ends up getting shot by thepolice.
He's in this nice, richneighborhood and he ends up
getting shot by the policebecause he's not supposed to be
there.
Okay, I'm pretty sure you madethat up.
No, I made that up.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
That would have been crazy, though I swear I watched
the credits.
I mean for all I know thecredits.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
As the report was going on in the background, it's
like showing images coming up,you know.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
And I'm like that's like.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Night of the Living Dead.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
They're like he's got to go to get out as the cops
show up.
Oh my God, instead of hisairport security friend.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Okay, so Josh's next problem.
He says they are cartoonishvillains with no real motive,
which I don't fully agree withthis either.
He says problem the politeleader and his crew are overly
theatrical and lack a believablereason to be so sadistic.
Well, they're trying to cleanup the streets from all the

(49:40):
dirties.
Yeah, I think they are just Well.
So here's what he says.
He says Improvement show themas brainwashed elites, which I
think they were.
Yeah, government tools orideological extremists to make
their behavior more believable.
I would say they were bothbrainwashed elites and
ideological extremists based offof the way he was talking.
He did have that very Jokercalmness.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
They were hard tweaking for this one guy.
What did he do?

Speaker 1 (50:07):
He got away from them .
That's what it was.
He got away.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
He actually said he had the nerve to fight back.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I think he said he had the gall.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
The gall.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
You know how many homeless people are in LA?
Not after the purge, that'swhat they said, that fix their
problem was down but so that'slike the thing where it was like
it.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
That was the big controversy at the end in the,
in the broadcasting, is whenthey were saying crime is down,
you know, back down to it's likewhat?
One percent or whatever, like99 down or whatever, like some
crazy number.
They're like it is down.
It's hard to refute the numbers, but is this about eliminating
the poor or is this?

(50:49):
Is this about eliminating thepoor or is this about what they
say?
It's about?
Um, so that was like the wholebig controversy and they're like
, but it's hard to refute thenumbers when there's no crime
happening.
You know, you see, but yougotta see josh's comment.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
What?

Speaker 3 (51:04):
do you say?
Josh keeps commenting to you, Idid have gpt help make this oh,
that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Okay, that's so funny .
Okay, I didn't know that.
I understand that now I did um.
Next point the security systemmakes no sense.
I think we're gonna agree withthis.
He said for a top-of-the-linesystem it's easily breached by
basic tools yeah, chains and atruck I do agree it should not
have taken one truck to yank off.

(51:37):
It does Thermite came outImprovement, either make the
system more realistic oracknowledge that it's faulty to
sell more upgrades.
Corporate greed is a scheme.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
I think they were trying to get to that.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
They may not have, but then it begs the question
why didn't he have all theadd-ons and upgrades and
everything?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
that's what we definitely believe garage to his
house.
How about you?

Speaker 4 (52:04):
make the fucking steel thicker but because and I
think, if I can uh quotefenriris, he actually says it
pretty well in here is the factthat he doesn't believe that
this can happen to him.
It fosters weakness and that'swhat I think it was.
I don't think he he spent themoney on the security system to

(52:27):
show his neighbors he believedin it, but I don't think he ever
believed the purge was going tocome to them.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah, that's what.
I mean Like so far removed fromit that it's almost like oh,
it's just a different world,like I'm not a part of that, and
then it actually hits you andyou're like oh, I'm not from
compton, me and you, we bothexactly we both say like we're
close enough, which it's weirdbecause they were supposed to be
in, yeah, the ritzier part ofof la, but if you drop all

(52:55):
police services, the BeverlyHills is overrun in minutes.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
They're surrounded by less than attractive
neighborhoods, yeah, and by theway, I kind of think that those
ghettos would stand a betterchance than the rich
neighborhoods.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Oh, absolutely, and.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
I wonder now okay, we will, we will probably all
agree on this.
Uh, the reason why they haven'trisen up is because they can't
stand together in the ghettos.
They fight each other.
Uh, if they could standtogether during one of these
purges and just take down theirelite enemies, I mean shoot well

(53:40):
I think that's why the elitehave power to begin with, though
, is that they'll work together.
Yeah, and this kind of goes tothe point earlier made.
In that regard, I kind of think, uh, instead of a car, if you
take somebody's house during thepurge, you have to give it back
the next day.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
How does that work?
I I do question that.
That kind of goes to josh'spoint about no real world,
economic or social.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
It really doesn't make sense, does it?
Because if you were, that's.
I think that is one of themajor plot holes for this movie
and that's why they focus somuch on murder, on murder,
because it's so decisive it'sdecisive.
That's it, because, like whatif you?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
steal a car minutes before the purge ends, right
when it ends, and you're drivingit.
Are you now guilty of GrandTheft?

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Auto yeah, what is it ?

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Or are you still exempt because it was an action
that started during the purgeRight?
So this goes to his next pointno explanation of how it's
enforced.
Problem who prevents crimebefore or after the purge?
What stops people from planningmass crime outside the time
window?
Nothing, really, besides justthe fact that now it's illegal.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Right, but that's kind of.
I'm sure the police in thisuniverse have a lot more like
money around considering like alot of the shit.
That's like the crime rate isdown, you know.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Right, so like I feel like they're they.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
They got like systems in place.
I'm, you know, right.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
So like I feel like they're they, they got like
systems in place.
I'm sure this is like adystopian future where there's
like cameras everywhere.
Couldn't be our future right,couldn't be right now couldn't
be our.
I mean wait, wait I've neverseen a camera before, do we?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
have cameras everywhere.
I've never seen a camera.
Is there a camera looking at meright now?
You can't get around what?

Speaker 4 (55:16):
there is a camera looking at you it's a conspiracy
.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I hit a button, okay, camera in the corner of my room
and I just stare at it.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
So josh says and this was my point if you rob a bank,
do you get to keep the money?
You would have to you wouldhave to be able to.
The ones that are interesting toask are the actual transfer of
property where, like the bank,money is like that's the banks,
right, that's, that'sinteresting, but cash is not
traceable in in most instancesthere's no way to really steal a

(55:46):
house unless you get the ownerand force to sign the deed over
and then in that case, I feellike it is your house, because
the deed is signed over to youbut the point is very well made
by josh, because if I go intoyour home and I take it by force
and I unalive everybody in itand I say this is my house, I
mean this is, this is just anact of piracy in the grandest

(56:09):
state scale.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Everybody's doing it in the country right, just steal
a bunch of lottery ticketsagain same thing.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
That really brings up .

Speaker 1 (56:18):
If you take stuff from the armory, from the
national guard, do you get tokeep the hummer after?

Speaker 4 (56:23):
see, I like how specific you got at the end of
that it is kind of a a gray areain this universe.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I don't know if they explain it anymore in the other
movies, but that all makes sense.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
It's it's very controversial to to go down that
road, so it's easier to juststay on one I feel like money is
like yeah, you get to keep themoney um.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
However, they do know what it's like.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Serial numbers are on them, so like maybe not though
I don't know how much of thisnext point is actually shown in
the movie or not.
It it says a total lack ofworld building.
We hear about the new foundingfathers, but the film does
nothing to uh, does almostnothing to explain how they came
to power or what they believe.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
I think that's true because I don't know how the new
they definitely show power thefunny in the first stuff in this
, in the second one, right and Ithink no, but in in just the
first movie.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Because no, not in the first movie.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
They just say our founding fathers but, they're
not talking about Ben Franklinand shit, no, our new founding
fathers, which?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
sounds like it was a complete government takeover.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
So that's what that sounds like to me the second I
heard our new founding fathers.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
I was like oh, so you fucked up America.
It was allegedly after aneconomic collapse.
So so they just, you know, theymade an economic collapse and
then brought these saviors in.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
There's an economic collapse let's murder if our
founding fathers aren't goodenough for you, you should
probably leave america sofrankly, last point, last point
12 hours wouldn't be enoughproblem.
Coordinating mass violence,murder or major crimes in only
12 hours isn't as easy orcathartic as the movie suggests.

(58:04):
Improvement show how someprepare for months and explore
how this creates a year-roundculture of fear.
I do kind of think it tried tobriefly show that because it
only started the day before thepurge.
The movie, yeah, or the day ofthe purge.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
The day of purge, the day of the hours before yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
So like the movie only has kind of a narrow scope
of of the purge itself, it'sonly just kind of touching the
main premise of it, right, andthen showing how it affects this
one family.
But you saw, like the guy inhis backyard sharpening his
machete yeah.
So like you saw, people werepreparing yeah, people had
parties planned, things likethat.
So people were preparing.
Yeah, people had partiesplanned, things like that.
So people were definitelypreparing somewhat in advance.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I get the catharsis of it because imagine like you
go an entire year with yourmouth tape shut but then you get
your tape off once a year.
Would you not take that time tolike scream your fucking head
off?
Would that not be cathartic?
You?

Speaker 4 (58:59):
know, while I agree with that particular, example.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I think it's you, get it, you know in like a non
murderer speak.
I'm trying, I get it.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
I get it for the murderers, but there aren't that
many Right it's.
It's so bizarre to me that thismovie makes it out like like
killing people would be so easy.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I mean, look at our, look at our vets, our vets
people who are literally trainedto be killers and they come
back messed up they.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
They don't teach them how to deal with what they've
done but I wonder if that wouldwell.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I think during the purge people would would be more
like not thinking about that,you know, and just saying like,
oh, I'll just go do, why not?
And then having to live withthe consequences of that for the
rest of their lives, realizinglike, oh, that was not fun.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
But see what what I think would end up happening is.
You would end up with a societyfilled with messed up people.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Exactly I agree.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Serious mental issues .

Speaker 1 (59:54):
I agree it would be a completely traumatized entire
society of people.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
It would either be an entire society of people who
would be desensitized andtherefore crime would run
rampant because they wouldn'tcare about the purge day.
At least it might work one year, two year, and this was
supposed to be only like thefifth year, so maybe it's still
working.
People are holding off, but youthink?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
they moved very shortly after.
I mean, I would I feel likeit'd be so awkward if they
didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
I don't know how she could ever, ever, look in that
direction again.
Without wanting to kill them,that's what I know also also a
point that I thought of.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
He's putting in all these security systems into
people's houses.
I would do.
I would myself, I would put ina back door to everybody's, you
know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
I was kind of thinking the same thing.
I was like for a little bit ofthe movie in the beginning.
I was like what if he's justselling them like fucking sheet
metal?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Well, he was Like scraps.
I feel like he would have likea master code to like their shit
.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
you know, that's why he said to his wife they look
good, but they're not gonna keeppeople out yeah that's a sad
state.
He really was, uh, guilty ofselling them snake oil true, and
he knew it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
And then he made a new addition on his house and
didn't pay for a better securitysystem that he already doesn't
have to pay for because it's hisbusiness which I would have
done, because then the neighborswould have been like, damn, we
really did right also one wall,why why not have two?
Why why not have a shutter onthe outside and another one on
the inside?

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
I mean right, right, yeah, a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
Definitely that, if it's once a year there's a lot
of planning that goes through it.
See, we've talked about this.
My, my whole setup would havebeen hinged on inner outer
shutters.
It would have been a lag boltgoing straight through the studs
holding both sides up.
And you're not going to pull.
You try to pull, you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I mean you could pull the whole house down, but then
we're also in a safe room andhave at it my house would be
heavy as fuck because inside mywalls thick ass steel, because
I'm assuming their walls aren'tbulletproof, are they?

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
That's true.
That's true.
Just one guy with a machine gun.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yeah, fuck up your whole day.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
If you french fry when you should a pizza, you're
going to have a bad day.
You're going to have a bad time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
If you don't plant mines in your yard for purge day
, you're going to have a badtime.
That's true.
Yeah, and that's why you shouldcome down to WIS Minefields
where we will put mines in yourfront yard.
They may or may not be fake.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
We'll let you know.
You'll put Mayans in my yard.
There will be.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
Mayans in your front yard.
Mayans in my field.
It's the Mayans from Sons ofanarchy are going to be in your
front yard.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
It's a biker gang here at kygb mines, I sure as a
ky jelly okay he was probablyhaving a wild time during the
purge hold up kygb or not?
Wait.
So if you kidnap somebody, doyou get to keep them?

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
see like that what it doesn't make sense, do you get
plot hole?

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
do I get to keep it plot hole pa can I keep the
black man I let in the house.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
Okay, wait, I gotta say something that just
absolutely freaking, bothered me, was that ending.
We only kind of talked about it, but that just drove me nuts.
That she was like we're notgonna kill anymore tonight.
Like dude, seriously, like I, II get the sentiment, but you

(01:03:32):
know that they're just gonnawait until next year.
They're not gonna want to livewith you.
You're not gonna want to livewith them.
You said it.
You're gonna be driving bythese people like hey, what's up
?
Bob hi jim yeah, high key.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I would have, like, poisoned them or something this
is absolutely freaking ludicrous.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
That goes to the question like.
That's why I said that afterthe purge, like immediately
after the purge, likeimmediately after the purge, I
would expect a massive increase,a massive spike in crime from
people either revenge killingright after the purge or not
realizing the purge ended yet,or like already ended.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yeah, you have to be next to like a no because the
fucking sirens Well, hang tightbecause you have, we haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Even they didn't explore and we didn't explore
the most awful thing.
Uh, what if they were like justessaying people?

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
yeah I'm sorry, but and then you have to look at
that person the next day and belike, oh, but it was during the
purge, so that, that you'retelling me that a woman who gets
that and has to live with thatdoesn't come the next day and
just blast.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Yeah, I'm not buying that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
That's why I think there'd be a massive spike in
crime after the purge.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
That's why I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
I don't think there would be like that.
My brain's not nice.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I don't think there would be that 95 or like 95, 99,
whatever percent.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
No crime thing I don't know I think maybe don't
let tj talk, don't let tj talksome points during the year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
That's why you kill him after anyways he's gonna say
something.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Oh my god, I'm sorry for laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
That was awful, that was awful, it was awful, that's
what I'm gonna cut but it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
But you're probably right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
No, you don't get to do that live and then cut it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Yeah, yeah, all right .
Well, I think that's going towrap up this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Okay, I think we lost the purge again.
Another one would be dopeProbably not next episode, but
we could do another one.
Oh, dope, probably not nextepisode, but we could do another
one.
I could do it next episode,would you that?
Or Code Black oh, oh man.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
I kind of want to see where we go with Code Black.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
I know it means I don't get to win, but I kind of
want to see where we go withCode Black.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
I know it means I don't get to win, but I kind of
want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
All right, I'm also curious TJ's the winner, yay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Yay, that's what you get.
Wait, so if you bribe a copduring the purge, oh, that's
fine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
I could see that being fine, as long as the money
transfer doesn't happen afterthe sirens ring.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
I see during the purge the cops roaming around
together in a unified fashion,unaliving people.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Is the purge.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
Pacific Standard.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Time or Eastern Standard Time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Oh yeah, how do times don't work.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Is there a purge during the day on the other side
of the states.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
During the day.
It's only a three-hour timedifference, dude.
Yeah, what the fuck Well?

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
yeah but it would start when it's bright out,
though.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
When did it start?

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
You're right.
I think it was 7pm to 7am so7pm.
It would be 4pm in Los Angelesor would it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
just be by your time zone.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
I think it would have to be by your time zone, in
which case the people who liveon the time zone could get an
extra hour if you just crossover that time zone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Winner speech.
Thank you, guys for supportingme and what I do.
I'm forever grateful to ourfounding fathers and to our new,
refurbished America and podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Eric is very tired.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
He has to go do job things.
We are going to end this by 12,though, so you will be getting
a decent amount of sleep, Eric.
I will be getting five hours.
I am immediately closing thelive and going to bed.
I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
Oh, this guy's tired too.
Yes, I am, I'm tired, hot, Iworked.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Alex, this guy's tired too.
Yes, I am, I'm tired hot, Iworked.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Alex, lose your speech.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
I lost, it's okay.
I'm still kind of excited tosee what happens in Code Black.
I hope you guys come back andlisten to that episode as well.
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