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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, my beautiful
people.
Welcome back to Wilma the wonderHS podcast today, we're gonna
continue on our series of summerand poultry care.
During the summer months,today's topic is event Glu.
You may hear it as pacing, uh,but technically it is called CLO
a scientist.
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Uh, the CLO ASCI, uh, this isjust basically, uh, I'm gonna
read you a definition frompoultry D V M CLO ASCI commonly
referred to as VLY is theinflammation of the chickens.
Cloaka it isn't a specificdisease, but more of a
gastrointestinal condition thatcan be caused by a number of
different reasons, includingmany types of organisms, whether
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it be fungi, protozoa, parasite,yeast, and bacteria.
Hey, y'all I'm Mel and you arelistening to Wilma the wonder
hand, are you a chicken mouthloving mama daddy together?
We'll dive into the latestpoultry keeping adventures shout
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about everyday life.
We're the generous mix of somehilarious stories, bringing you
fascinating interviews withpoultry owners from all over
you'll find tips and basicadvice from your local
veterinarian.
Along with new chicken, keepinggadgets and reviews.
I'm gonna see what Mr.
JS and Wilma has to say aboutthat.
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We're going to encourage andhelp you build a stronger,
healthier flop.
Let's go see what Mr.
JS and Wilma is up to.
Let's go let these heifers out.
And if you have had, or havecurrently have a chicken,
whether it be a hint or arooster that is suffering from
VNK glee, or has had VLE, it ispretty nasty.
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It is definitely in a veryuncomfortable situation for
them.
The CLO ACA is a three chamberstructure that is located inside
of the chickens vent.
Now, to kind of explain itwithout overly explain it, you
have three chambers, and at theend of this chamber, the vent,
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uh, you will have severalsystems.
You have the digestive, theurinary and the reproductive
track.
And inside of this, there isseveral little valves that open
and close, depending on if anegg is gonna come out, if they
are, uh, getting ready to poop,or they're gonna mix in the poop
in the urine.
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So that opening allows, uh, thedigestive track, the urinary
track and the reproductive trackto all do their thing.
And when there is a mix up orsomething occurs like stress in
the peach balance or levelwithin that, uh, chamber those
three chambers, uh, that is whenthe poop kind of gets backed up
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and it starts to become verypasty.
Now, signs of this could beson-in-law of feather and color
pasting up of the vent feathers,um, soft belly and abdomen that
will feel very soft and bloated,uh, lack of just behavior, lack
of foraging, lack of eating,lack of just being a chicken.
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You may notice a very strongsmell coming from their vent
area.
And as it advances, you may seethat your chicken is straining
to poop.
They can have a red in, um,swollen vent area.
You may even hear your chickenfarting, it's true.
Uh, they may, uh, towards theend, if untreated get loss of
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appetite, uh, just looking very,very dull.
I know we see on the internetwhen people say vent glee, and
they automatically go to afungus, which I understand, you
know, not everyone has aveterinarian that they can just
take a sample to, but there aredifferent types of event GLE.
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If you're unable to clear thisup, I really would suggest
taking a sample to yourveterinarian.
Even if it's not a chickenveterinarian, maybe they could
pinpoint if it's bacterial.
You know, if it's fungus, ifit's protozoa, cuz each of those
will need something different ina medication, but general first
supportive care, you can bringyour chicken inside.
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Um, you can make an intensivecare unit, you know, with easily
ACC, easy access to food andwater limit their stress.
Uh, you can give them a nicelittle bath and gently get that
dried poop off of the chickensvent because you don't wanna
leave that on there that thatpoop is going to deteriorate the
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chicken skin.
And you also don't want to leaveit on there, uh, for fly strike,
because we talked about this inour previous episode, you know,
poop is a magnet for fly.
So you could end up with atotally different, um, problem
to deal with.
You can also take a Sal salinesolution wound wash.
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You can gently rinse out amassage.
The Chlo ACA area, uh, apply aEdine and a septic unless it's
told differently by aveterinarian as a disclaimer.
Like I always tell y'all I amnot a veterinarian.
I don't even play one on thispodcast.
I share information with youthat I have researched, uh,
through scientific researchpapers, uh, through vet that's
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poly poly is, uh, very vocalhere lately.
So take all of these things thatI'm telling you, and please do
your own research on what wouldwork best for your situation
because only, you know, yourchicken best.
I know when my chicken here hadvent cleat, that was several
years ago, maybe four or fiveyears ago, uh, we ended up
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getting a prescription from herveterinarian.
She did prescribe Vetol.
Uh, the brand name is Flagel.
This medication, uh, is used totreat certain bacterial
infections and protozoal, uh,protozoa infections, certain
types of parasites.
So when you're trying to treatVLY at home, I think it's gonna
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be challenging because you haveto figure out what are you
dealing with.
So you're gonna have to startwith something at home that you
can easily get and go fromthere.
Now, a lot of places will tellyou that this isn't contagious,
um, that it can't be transmittedfrom hand to hand or hand to
rooster.
My veterinarian, uh, told me toseparate her, which I did
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anyways, uh, but to keep fromspreading to my rooster and then
my rooster spreading it to myhands because it is such a close
contact when they do mate, a funfact, did you know the word Chlo
ACA can translate into cesspoolor sewer, which kind of makes
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sense, but just thought youought to know that.
And from what I understandthrough my veterinarian and
through reading, the way stressworks is that stress can weaken
the tone and function of the CLOAA.
So this allows the poop in theurine.
Now, remember we talked about ithas three chambers, right?
It has for the reproductive forthe urine and for the poop.
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So when it stresses the CLA AA,the poop in the urine can start
to mix and this can preventrecycling of the water back into
their, uh, digestive system.
And this can throw off their pHlevels, those valves within
their, uh, chamber that goesinto the Cloaka and then out of
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their booty hole, uh, this iswhere that delicate balance gets
off.
And this is where we kind ofneed to figure out exactly what
is causing it.
It can be an infected Cloaka, uh, like I said, it could also be
some type of parasite going on.
So getting a fecal sample isdefinitely a plus, uh, for those
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that have tried the treatment athome and it's still not working.
And the most important part isthat if it is bacterial, you
know, this is something thatyou're gonna have to treat with
antibiotics.
So it's so important to kind ofreally be able to narrow it
down.
But if you're out here in theworld and you're trying to do
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the best you can, uh, chickenmamas and chicken daddies are a
lot of times we're left or ourown devices, our own research,
our own, just trying to figurethings out.
So the most common, uh, solutionthat I saw, uh, online was once
you give them a bath, once youget that their butt cleaned up,
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once you spray it down with somevet spray, um, maybe trim up
some feathers if necessary isyou're gonna treat it with mono
cream.
Now this can be a result of CCRtoo.
So that's something else to lookat.
If your chicken has CCR and vanfleet, there's something going
on that needs to be taken careof both ends.
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And obviously if your bird hasCCR, you're gonna do extra steps
to take care of that.
Most people can find monad orthe generic for monad cream and
suppositories at their localdrugstore, Walmart, whatever big
box store you find, you'reusually gonna be able to find
that you can find the generic.
Uh, I believe they're all thesame.
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I check the ingredients, makesure there's nothing extra added
in there.
The typical treatment that I,uh, found was five days.
Obviously, if there's noimprovement in five days, really
seek out of veterinarian.
If you can't seek out aveterinarian, then I would give
it a few more days, uh, to seeif there's any improvement.
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Now you can use the cream andyou can also use the
suppositories.
The suppositories would be cutup into thirds.
You can give this, uh, through asuppository.
You can also give this as acream that you rub on the
outside and the inside.
You can give the suppositoriesas a oral treatment
clarification on the cream, thecream you want is for internal.
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You don't want the external itchcream.
You want the internal.
Okay.
So make sure you check that now.
Do I know if any of theseapplications work?
I have no idea we treated it, uh, with the veterinarian.
Luckily grateful.
I know I'm very grateful forthat.
I, I do not know if the Monta ishelpful, uh, specifically if
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it's a bacterial type thing andyou're gonna need antibiotics.
So this is treat at your ownrisk.
Now, vaguely, if left untreatedis pretty severe, it can lead to
death because you're blocking upthat digestive system, uh, the
hand towards the end or therooster towards the end, you
know, they're not eating,they're not drinking.
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And their quality of life isreally not any good.
So I mean, we have to do what wehave to do and try and figure
out these remedies.
And that's what we're here for.
Kind of figuring these thingsout as we go.
I did find some research aboutchronic vent elite.
You know, this is something thatcan just happen.
That doesn't mean that you're abad mom or chicken mom or
chicken dad.
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Uh, this type of thing canhappen.
Uh, but chronic vent glee, itcould be genetically something
wrong with the, the bird, or itcould be a environmental thing
where they are, the birds areunder stress, you know,
constantly, maybe small spaces,lack of food, uh, fighting for
water.
You know, those types of thingscan cause a constant stress on
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the bird system and wear downtheir immune system.
Now it could be other thingsthat are going on moldy food,
uh, maybe CCR that's come backoff and on, uh, the chronic vile
it more than likely would need,uh, antibiotics, definitely more
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testing to see what is inside ofthe digestive tract.
What is going on?
So our takeaways, you want tokeep an eye on your birds vent.
That includes roosters and Hins,uh, try and provide as much
space as possible.
Keep an eye on that poop, keepan eye on any out for any stinky
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poop, any smelly, poop, poop.
That's like building up on theback of their vent.
It's very dangerous, even notjust part of the vent cleat, but
for potentially fly strike, uh,for hygiene, it's just not good.
So you wanna keep those feathersclean.
You can do this through bathing.
You can do this through trimmingof the, um, vent feathers.
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You just wanna make sure youplease do not cut a pin feather
if your chickens are malting andyou're not sure what a pin
feather looks like, and this iskind of new to you.
You can just go online type in,uh, malting pin feathers, and
you can get an idea visually ofwhat you're looking for and what
you wanna stay away from.
Uh, molting chicken should notbe handled too much anyways, but
of course, if it's got a dirtybum, we gotta do what we gotta
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do.
Just do it in the right way.
I have read that you can alsogive yogurt a little bit of
yogurt.
You can add apple cider vinegar.
You can add probiotics to thewater for us.
The veterinarian just, uh,recommended a probiotic, uh, not
yogurt, not apple cider vinegar.
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It, she actually gave us littlepackets of probiotics to add to
her water and it did help.
And she was, uh, cured.
It took about two and a halfweeks.
And at that time, her featherson her vent had, you know, just
fallen out.
Her skin was really red andirritated.
Uh, you wouldn't, uh, know it ifyou had saw her maybe a month
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and a half later, uh, she haspassed on now.
She was one of my older girlsthat I got, uh, when I first
started chicken keeping, she wasone of my already grown hints.
And I don't know if the stressof, you know, me taking her in
caused it or whatever, but shewas the only one in my group
that got it.
Uh, but she did really good onthe treatment and she just
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passed from old age, but pleasedon't feel bad if you're he in
or your little RO has, you know,had a, a problem with vent Clete
.
These are all things that we, uh, deal with and we need to talk
about and not be embarrassed.
You know, they are wild.
, they're wild,domesticated animals.
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And I say wild because chickensare just, they're looking for a
death sentence every day.
They're jumping off stuff,drinking outta stuff, picking
out stuff, you know, they'rejust wild and free.
So don't feel bad.
You know, when your chicken doesget an illness or something, I
mean, we, we can do the best wecan with making sure we're
giving them a standard of care,but sometimes things just happen
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and there's not really much wecan do about it.
We can give it our all, andthat's all we can do.
I'm here to encourage you to beyour cheerleader, to let you
know that you can do it.
That even when it seems hard andit seems confusing and you feel
helpless.
Uh, I have been there and Ithink we all have been there and
we can just tell you that it'sgonna be okay.
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Uh, just reach out to someonethat may have more knowledge
than you, more experience, but Ialso want you to be a
researcher.
I want you to be your ownresearcher.
I want you to be able to havethe confidence to check on what
people are saying, you know, isthat true?
What does that cuz there's a lotof information out there that
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you need to sift through.
Lots of misinformation is justbeing thrown out there without
really any articles ofauthenticity to back it up
research and data analysis andmeta-analysis and peer reviews.
These are things that you'relooking for, um, to back up what
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someone is telling you online,because I'm gonna be the first
one to tell you, okay, I'm gonnabe honest with you.
Chickens are fun.
They're entertaining.
They are a wonderful addition toany family's backyard.
Whether you raise them as pets,you raise them for food and
substance for your family.
Chickens are not that easy.
They are complicated.
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Their systems are really, reallycomplicated and they are tough
to a point.
And then at the same time, theirrespiratory system and their
reproductive system, it is verydelicate.
I am gonna dedicate this, uh, tomy buddy Bo uh, I added this on
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to the ender because I hadalready recorded this.
Uh, but Bo had passed away.
We, we had an episode on heatstroke and how to keep your
chickens cool.
That's part of our summer seriesand well, that's what happened
to Bo boat suffered a heatstroke.
Uh, you can go listen to avideo.
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I made about his, uh, what hadhappened to him.
That's on our Instagram page.
We just never know we do all thethings that we think we are
doing.
Right?
All the things that people tellus, all the things I even
preached about doing right.
And it still wasn't, it wasn'tenough to save him.
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It did break my heart and I justwanna thank everyone for their
sweet comments and messages andkindness.
Uh, I know most of our listenershave probably experienced a loss
or two, you know, just end oflife.
And, uh, Beau was taken way tooyoung.
He wasn't even a year old yet.
And it just really, it hurt ithurt because I couldn't do
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anything to change it.
I took him to the veterinarian.
We did everything we could and Ijust couldn't save him.
I had our veterinarian, uh,euthanize him for me and I
brought him home and I buriedhim under a big, big Oak tree
that is on the back of ourproperty next to our barn,
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Ronald.
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And until next time alwaysremember education fuels,
compassion.
The more we know the better wecan take care of our feathered
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friends.
I'm Mel and you the wonder.