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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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It's a wednesday night, it's awednesday night and it's well.
The badgers lost, so we got toget into that tonight.
Here.
We got lots to do.
I got badger talk to get towisconsin women's basketball.

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I believe they got the wintonight against michigan there,
but they're in the news for anot so good reason, so we're
going to get into that tonight.
I want to get to a little bitof Brewers.
We got some Packers to get to.
We got lots to get to tonight.
Here on the show tonight,aaron's with me.
Aaron, how we doing it'sWednesday.
How we doing on this Wednesdaydude.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Chaotic week so far, I'm not gonna lie to you just
chaos.
Um, I'm trying to thrive underthose, those conditions, but
know we're taking it one day ata time.
You know, just like footballteam right, just like the
Packers they'd say you knowwe're trying to go 1-0.
That's what I feel like everyday of this week, but it's all
right, could be worse.
Not trying to sound like aDebbie Downer, it's just been a
little too much.

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But yeah, I a break in theaction.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
That's what we try to give everybody out there.
We want to give people a sourceof sanity, right, get away from
the bad stuff and get to somesports talk.
That's what we want.
That's what we want when wecome on here is just to settle
everybody down after that Badgergame.
Settle everybody down afterwhat's going on in the world,
settle everybody down likethat's what we want to do.
So that's what we want to do,so that's what we're going to do

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But with that, aaron, let's getto it.
Let's get into it.
Today here I had one aboutJackson Churio, because I was
watching an MLB network.
They were doing the top Ibelieve it was the top right

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fielders or whatever they listedJackson Churio as at that time
and I just I wanted to talkabout his adjustments that he
made last year, because thesenumbers, aaron, are mind
boggling for a 20 year old to gothrough this kind of stretch
right.
So through the first 54 gamesof the season, jackson Churrio
was batting 209.

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His on-base percentage was 251.
Slugging percentage 337.
He had a WRC plus of 63, andhis strikeout percentage was
27.2.
Okay, that was through.2.
Okay, that was through thefirst 54 games.
Now let's look at the last 94,.
Three, oh six.
Batting average three 62 onbase percentage is slugging went

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up to five, 25.
His WRC plus went up to one 43.
That was actually third bestamong current left fielders
since June 8th at the time there, and his strikeout percentage
dropped to 18.3.
That's nuts.
That's a 20-year-old through 54games to be able to make those

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adjustments, those adjustmentsto.
At one point, I mean, there waspeople talking about hey.
I was one of them.
I said, hey, maybe it's time wesend them back down to AAA.
Just let them get it figuredout.
Let them get it figured out,then bring them back up.
You know, don't try to force itat the big league level.
Pat Murphy, he was the opposite.
Right, he's like let's let itgo, he's got it, he's just got

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to settle down.
And and it was a lot on theguys in the clubhouse too, right
, freddy Peralta and WilliamContreras.
Willie Adamas was huge.
Right, that's what sucks to seeWillie go is.
Willie Adamas was huge in thattoo Getting him to the ballpark,
getting him confident, keepinghim up right, keeping him
confident, keep him up the wholetime there.
And you saw the numbers justincrease.
This was a guy who just, I mean,took the punches right off the

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bat and then turned it aroundand when Christian Yelich went
down, became the Brewers' mostconsistent
you-wanted-that-guy-at-the-platekind of guy.
That's what he was.
When Christian Yelich went down, it was like who's going to
replace that production?
Right, this was around thattime where, in that first stint,
when Yelich went down, whereeverybody was like, oh goodness,

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right, yelich went down, whereeverybody was like, oh goodness,
right, yelich is bad in 300.
How are we going to replacethat?
How are you going to replacethat?
Right now?
Insert Jackson Churio.
And he just took off.
He saw that opening, he sawthat gap and I was like this is
my opportunity to step up.
Help my guys, help my guys,I'll help the.
You know the crowd, get thecrowd riled up.
That's what he did.
Jackson Churio became that dudefor the Brewers.

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I don't know, aaron, I justlooked at those numbers.
I'm like this is absolutelynuts, the way that this guy was
able to produce at the plate forthe Brewers, especially after
that slow start.
Some young guys are going to.
You know, jackson Holiday.
Look what he did.
I mean, he kind of had the slowstart and it just kept getting
worse and it kept getting worseand it kept getting worse.
Jackson Turio it got worse butthen it got a whole lot better.

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He stuck to it, didn't give up,kept giving her every day,
showed up early to the ballpark,got to work in and it showed.
And I just love to see statslike that out of a young guy.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
No, absolutely.
I mean sky's the limit, right,we're talking about, you know
you bring up Jackson Holiday.
You bring up Jackson Turio.
Like these guys are like largerthan life already, just like
they're.
They're, you know what they'resupposed to be, right.
And we, we're talking aboutcheerio here.
Like the kid has like all thepotential in the world, like had
a grid season, you know, had agood season by any means, but,

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um, you expect them to justbuild on this.
You know, maybe not right thisnext season, maybe stay around
the same, but the sky, like Isaid, is the limit.
You know he, he, he's one ofthose guys you can almost label
like he could be a five-tool guy.
I mean with the speed that hehas.
You know he has some pop in thebat.
It's not like he's just acontact hitter.
I mean he ends up with 21 homeruns.

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You know there last year, soyou know, legged out 29 doubles.
Like you know everything youlike to see, 29 doubles.
Like you know everything youlike to see.
Like he he's a very promisingplayer.
It's just one of those thingswhere it's like you know, as I
don't see how he doesn't, youknow, become a consistent player
in the mlb.
If you can do it this early now.

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I I you know going into secondyears is a little tough, only
because now they have tape onyou, like you know a lot,
considerably more tape than theydid last year.
But you know, good players willmake adjustments to that and I
think he's a good player.
So you know he might go throughstretches where it's like, oh,
here we go.
But I mean he's so young, in theprocess Like the guy's wet
behind the ears, for lack of abetter term, and it's like, yeah

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, I mean you've got to love whathe provides already.
And and if he can just continueon this path, even through the
ups and downs and and hey,baseball, you, you fail seven
out of 10 times.
You're, you're a hall of famer.
I mean you know, if you can bat300, that's the goal right.
So like that's, that's thegolden standard.
So I I like a lot.
I think I don't see why hedoesn't continue on this

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trajectory going forward.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
I agree.
I agree 100%, john.
I see in the comments therewe'll get to the Badgers.
I don't want to jump aroundhere too much around the Brewers
right now.
We'll get to the Badgers withthat question there.
But yeah, I agree, I lovedlooking at that stat because it
shows a guy with a boatload ofpotential, but a guy who's not
going to just quit, a guy who'snot going to let it get him get

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rattled.
Right, young guys, they getrattled.
It kind of goes downhill fast.
This was a guy.
He didn't get rattled, he juststuck with it, stuck with the
process and pat murphy stuckwith him.
The guy stuck with him.
They stayed in his corner andit proved and it showed right
there.
Um, so I saw that hung Sung Kimgot signed.
Did you see that?
I did.
Who got him the Tampa?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Bay Rays for like 29 mil.
Yeah, yeah, exactly that.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Where are the Brewers ?
Where are the Brewers on thatdeal?
I don't get it.
I really don't.
That's a contract that screamsMilwaukee Brewers.
We have a little bit of moneyto spend.
We're talking about replacingsomebody in the infield, right?
Somebody from second base over.
We got to replace a positionthere, hong Sun Kim.
He's right there, right therefor the taking that contract.

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You could afford it everysingle day and twice on Sunday,
and yet we just stay pat, right?
Oh well, we'll make it work.
Right, we'll make.
What are you going to do now?
Right?
I mean something like Hung SungKim's gone, okay, so now what
do we do?
Go back to the drawing board,right?
Oh well, yohan Mankata's stillout there.
You never know what you'regoing to get out of Yohan
Mankata.

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Yes, I vouch for him.
I didn't think Hong Sung Kimwould sign for a deal that small
.
To be honest with you, Ithought he'd make a little bit
more money.
This deal was nothing.
This was, I mean, the Dodgers.
Yes, they're ruining baseball.
I've heard a lot of peopleasking that question Are the
Dodgers ruining baseball?
Yes, they are.
They're ruining baseball.
That is no doubt.

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I don't know, unless you're aDodgers fan, how you do not
believe that the Dodgers Yankees, those teams are ruining
baseball.
I don't like this is justgetting ridiculous at that point
, but it's just reallyridiculous.
And there's Dustin in thecomments there.
It's just not league minimum.
Yeah, if if Hong Sun Kim wasgoing for league minimum we

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would have signed them up, wewould have loaded them up to the
back half of the roster.
I a video today.
Somebody posted it.
It was of Logan Morrison,because I saw Trevor Bauer goes.
There's only about 20 hittersin the league that could hit me
right now.
20 hitters in all baseball.
That's what Trevor Bauer said.
He's him and Shoei Otani is thebest pitcher in baseball.

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And then Trevor Bauer's numbertwo.
That's what he said.
And I was like, and then I sawit was I can't remember who
posted, oh, it's grant grantbills.
He's fantastic wisconsin guygrant bills.
There he goes.
Sal frelick would have put youin the mountain dew deck and I
just laughed.
And then I saw that's when Isaw another person posted and
they posted a video.
It was, uh, trevor bauer'spitching and logan morrison.

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I don't know if you rememberlogan, but he took Trevor Bauer
deep and I forgot that LoganMorrison played for the Brewers
for a year.
That was actually the last stophe had in the bigs, but he
played for the Brewers for ayear.
That was at the same time thatJustin Smoke also came to the
Brewers and that was our firstbase combo Logan Morrison and
Justin Smoke.
That tells you how cheap we are.

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There you go.
We had Logan Morrison andJustin smoke going back to back
there at first base and then wegave up on those two and went
some you know elsewhere with thefirst base duties there.
But yes, I mean, it's, thatcontract was peanuts.
And again, where are thebrewers?
Where outside of the NestorCortez trade.
Devin Williams, basically right.

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Cortez trade.
Devin williams, basically right, leaving.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
And we got nester cortez outside of that, what we
haven't done, anything like Imean, if you consider just
bringing reese on the.
I mean that was more so hisoption, like he exercised, he
just accepted his option.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Like, if if you're a brewer fan or maybe in brewers
management, did you want reeseback?
Like, honestly, after lastseason and now you're cheap,
you're a cheap organization doyou want to spend eight million
or 18 million on reese hoskins?
I I don't know if they wantedto, so like it was an option
that I don't even know.
If the brewers wanted I don'teven know if they wanted him
back.
Me personally, I wanted himback because I think he's going
to have a huge season nextseason.

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I think if there's a guy withdrive, it's going to be him.
I, if you're banking onwoodruff coming back and Yelich
getting healthy and all thisother stuff and that's gonna fix
it all.
I just don't think the Brewershave enough ump to get over top.
They have enough guys to get tothe playoffs.
I still think they're the bestteam in the NL Central.
Like, don't get me wrong, Ithink they're the best team in
the NL Central.
The Cubs have done a lot to getbetter.

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They got Kyle Tucker.
I think they've done a lot toget better.
I think the Pirates are goingto be a little bit better.
I don't think they're going tobe great.
The Reds I think they're goingto be a little bit better.
They're not going to be great.
The Cardinals, they're like afire sale down there.
You don't even know whatthey're doing right now.
But the Cubs, I think they'vedone a little bit to get better,
but I still think the Steelersit's like we talk about with all

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these good teams, right, allthese teams that get to the
playoffs.
You can get there.
But what the heck's the pointof winning the NL Central 14
times over again if you get tothe first round of the playoffs
and you get dumped in a wildcard against the number six seed
?
What the heck's the point whenyou lose to the Mets in your
home stadium, when theDiamondbacks come to town and
you get completely just kiboshedand you leave 16 guys in

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scoring position.
What is the point?
At some point you got to getover that hump.
You have to do something totake yourself to the next level,
otherwise you're just theOakland A's, you're basically
the White Sox.
What are you doing?
You're making the playoffs.
Great, you made a little bitmore money that year because you
made the playoffs.
You got the fans excited for alittle bit.
But if you can't get over thathump, what's the point, right?

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So Dustin said there I need the, need a vet in the clubhouse
with Willie.
God, I agree, I agree, andthat's where I thought hung some
Kim would be that kind of vet.
He'd be that vet to come in.
He's not old yet, but he wouldhave been that vet to come in
there, kind of settle down.
I think Reese is going to be abig, big aspect in that too,
along with Christian Yelichcoming back there.

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I think he's also going to beone of them guys for you there.
So I would agree there.
We do have one across text inline too.
Sounds like the NFC North.
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like theNFC North this year.
You get into the playoffs, youget to the wildcard round, you
get dumped right.
Zedaria Smith has got an NFCNorth title ring made up.
Did you see that?
You see that picture acrossTwitter there, yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Zedaria oh man, oh man, I just laugh.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I just laugh my thing with the whole Brewers, like,
okay, because I equate them,like Cause, I equate them Like I
think they're very similar tohow the Orioles operate, like I
just I look at those twofranchises and it's, it's eerily
similar.
The thing is with both thoseteams, like if you're talking
smaller market, like likeMilwaukee there, why, if you're
not going to go out with thefree agent market, like we know,
they're not going to be amassive player, right, they're

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not going to be the Yankees.
Now the Mets have emerged aslike a huge player, you know,
obviously with the new ownership.
But like when you think,because I don't think the
Brewers have a bad farm systemthere, I just I don't know if
it's like top five or top ten,you know looking there, but they
have some guys down there and Iknow they hang on to them like

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crown jewels because they're notgoing to go out and get the big
name players.
But my thing is like, why notif?
If you're, if you're kind oflike licking the jar, right,
you're, you're in the playoffs,you're, you're showing up, but
then you get bounced.
Showing up, get bounced, whynot shoot some of these
prospects out?
Go get a guy at the tradingdeadline because you're not
going to, you're not going toprobably re-sign them.
Like that's the thing, thebrewers aren't going to spend

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the money to resign him andthey're not going to go out in
free agency and make a a massivemove.
I mean, maybe they make alateral move and get a little
bit better, but it's not likeover.
You're talking over the top andI mean, look at this Dodgers
team.
Like I don't even care aboutthe Phillies or anybody else I
mean the Mets to a certainextent but like you have to
almost think, how do we getcloser to the Dodgers?
Because that is like I meanthat's an all-star team.

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That is literally.
And they just add and add andadd and add Pitching.
You know, lineup doesn't matter.
So, like I said, if I'm theBrewers, I just don't get why.
You know you have this windowright now where the Cardinals
are crappy, and that's what youlike to see.
If you're a Brewers fan, theReds, I mean I like the fact
they went and got Francona.
I think that's a great move forthat team, but they're still

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not.
They don't have the piecesright now.
So who knows?
Like they're not, like the NLCentral is one of the easier
divisions right now, you know.
So it's like why not just loadit up, like, load your team up,
try and compete with the bigdogs, because you know you can
probably overtake everybody forthe division.
We'll see how it shakes out,but I have confidence they can

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compete at the very least forthe division.
So why not roll the dice andkind of shoot some of these
prospects out of your system togo get an established, whether
it be a third baseman or whetherit be a top-of-the-line starter
, now, with Burns being out ofthere a couple years?
Like you said, you don't knowwith Woodruff, you don't know
with Yelich.
Do you have enough?

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Do you have enough?
And I would say no at thisparticular moment, unfortunately
.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, no, I would agree.
And that's where we talked aboutJefferson Cuero the other day,
one of your top catchingprospects in all baseball,
topping your system there.
What is your plan with WilliamContreras?
Because if you're expecting himto stay long-term and you're
going to sign him, which we hope, maybe they will right Spend
the money If you're going tosign him up, jefferson Cuero's

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services not really needed.
So find a trade package, rightI mentioned the other day with
the Phillies, right?
The Phillies, jt Rilamuto isgetting older.
I don't know what their systemlooks like for prospects there,
but Jefferson Cuero is probablya little bit better than what
they got, especially becausehe's one of the top prospects in
baseball.
So you got to be looking aroundand say who's got pieces that

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we could use, maybe a thirdbaseman, and what can we do with
them there?
So I'm looking at that there.
Todd did have something in here.
Todd said the Brewers pitchingis very questionable.
I would, that's yes, I wouldagree, because it's going to be
very.
It's going to hinge on whatdoes Brandon Woodruff do?
What does he look like when hecomes back?

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You know, because right nowwe're banking on a lot of
question marks.
If you're the Brewers.
Brandon Woodruff is he healthywhen he comes back?
Is he going to be ready to go?
Tobias Myers we saw him.
He was fantastic down thestretch.
Are you going to get that again?
Right?
And then you think about theother guys that you got around.
Freddie what's Freddie going togive you?
Because we know Freddie's goodfor about a three-ish ERA there.

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Will it sit around that samemark?
You look down the line there,nestor Cortez what is he going
to bring to the Brewers?
With the Yankees it was subparat times.
What are you going to get?
Is he going to stay healthy?
That's going to be a bigquestion mark.
The young guys, dl Hall what canyou expect out of DL Hall?
A lot of people hate him, somepeople like him.
I don't know.
Give you Aaron Ashby, you neverknow.
I mean, you just have so manyquestion marks up and down the

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rotation.
I think the bullpen's fine, Ilike the bullpen.
I like Trevor McGill.
I'm your rebate is gonna comeback out there.
If he gives you what you hadlast year, I love it.
Brian Hudson was a great findlast year for the Brewers.
Jared Koenig was great.
Um, you look down the linethere.
You're gonna have Pions inthere, you're gonna have Poguero
.
I think the bullpen is going tobe fine.
The rotation is where thequestion marks come in the

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Brewers.
They find a way right.
They always find a way At somepoint.
I think finding a way is goingto catch up to you.
I think that's going to catchup to you.
Jack Flaherty is still outthere right now.
I don't know what the market isfor Jack Flaherty, but that's
the top of the rotation kind ofguy.
That's a guy that can set youapart.
You need guys that are going toset you apart because, if you
think about it, you're notbeating the Dodgers by loading

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your lineup up.
Your lineup can do what theycan do.
You're not going to buy thebats to load up to be able to do
that.
What's going to be the missingpiece?
Right, the starting pitching.
Can you limit what the Dodgerscan do?
I mean you're going to haveyoung guys, right?
I forgot Jacob Mizorowski too.
He could be a potential guy tobe in that rotation or in the
bullpen.
So it's going to be a hingedown.
What can that starting rotationdo for you?

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So I agree, todd, the pitchingis very questionable.
If you had to ask me, um.
He also went on to say it is aneasy division that makes the
brewers look better than theyactually are.
That's a hundred percent.
That's what we're saying.
The Brewers are good enoughright now to win the NL Central
Beyond that.
That's where our problem'scoming right now.
2018 was the best shot.

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That was the best shot.
They took the Dodgers to gameseven.
Now it's like you get there,but you get the Braves.
And then you had the Mets orthe Diamondbacks.
Then you had the Mets.
You had the National Series in2019, where the ball went
through Trent Grisham's legs.
Right, I mean, you just hadyear after year after year of
division division.
I mean it is wildcard rounds,divisional, it's just one and

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done, right, one and done.
And it's like when are yougoing to get over that hump?
So that's kind of oh yep.
And Todd went on to say Gasser Iforgot about Robert Gasser.
When he comes back right and ifhe's, that's another question
mark what does Robert Gasserbring you coming off of injury?
There's so many guys.
There's a lot of potential.
I love the potential of theBrewers starting rotation.

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It's just a question of willthat potential succeed?
That's what we got to see there.
And then we got the Red ShedNice to see you in there.
We haven't seen the Red Shed inhere in a while.
Fellas, here he goes, nice tosee you in there.
Red Shed, we got to get to abreak.
We're going to get to an adbreak here.
We're going to come back.
Keep the questions coming in.
I love your guys' questions sofar and your comments there.
Keep them flooding in heretonight, here on the show we're

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going.
They sadly dropped the gamethere in Maryland.
We got to get to that.
Tonight we want to talk alittle women's basketball,
because there's a little bit ofinteresting stuff happening with
the women's basketball team, sowe want to get to that.
We got some Packer talk to getto, so we got lots to get into.
We will be right back afterthis quick.

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I did see an interesting fact.
I saw it across twitter earliertoday here from jordan uh
lapnow is his name.
There on twitter he said andthis was the quote sparta,
wisconsin.
So sparta wisconsin boysbasketball ended a 43 game
losing streak against lacrossecentral last night.

(22:41):
So that was last night there.
The previous win for sparta wasall the way back in 2003.
Wow, wow, I.
I mean there's utter dominanceof a team and then there's utter
dominance of a team 43 straightgames they dropped to lacrosse.

(23:01):
I mean I just saw that stat.
I was like wow, just wow.
I did not know.
I saw another one that inMinnesota you can play.
Minnesota allows high schoolbasketball players to
participate in varsitybasketball for six years, from
7th to 12th grade.
I didn't know that.
I did not know that.
Around here you get in highschool.

(23:22):
You're in ninth grade, freshmanyear of high school.
Ninth through 12th, that's yourhigh school year.
Seventh and eighth is more of amiddle school, but in Minnesota
it's allowed seventh through12th there.
So I saw the questions becausesomebody asked it and they said
so, then try out as a freshman,jv and varsity teams.
Or are there seventh and eighthgraders on high school teams?

(23:43):
And they said they can play onwhatever team the coaches want,
but no high school kids oneighth or seventh grade teams?
I it's just weird, that's justodd to think about.
What is it like in pennsylvania?
Like, is it 9th through 12th?

Speaker 3 (23:56):
that's your high school yeah, that it's like just
like yours, conventional, youknow, night like they're you
know what's going on inminnesota like, yeah, I can't
say that that's probably not the, the, the overwhelming majority
right and like, yeah, it wasrare out here, you know, for a
freshman to play on the.
I mean you, we had guys like youknow playing on on the varsity
team as freshmen, but you know,that's like you're a stud,

(24:19):
you're a studs.
So like yeah, no, I, I, Ididn't know that was a thing.
I mean more, more power to theguy that can, can make it from
the middle school, you knowlevel, or middle school age.
I should say to the, to thevarsity high school team.
That's, that's wild.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, no, I would agree.
Let's jump to the Badgers.
I was going to wait, I wasgoing to get to the women's, but
I want to get to the Badgershere because we had a couple of
comments on the Badgers hereright away, so I want to get
into that one.
This is from, so we'll jumpover to that game.
Maryland over Wisconsin they're76 to 68 was the final.
There.
The Badgers took a.
They were down one going intohalf.

(24:55):
John Blackwell, tonjay gottento follow trouble there late in
the half there About nine to go.
Blackwell was out with twofouls there and then Tonjay went
out about six and the Badgersstruggled to find anything going
into that half.
Coming into second half there,that's when the floodgates
opened for Maryland and thethrees were falling and
everything was getting crazythere.
But I see the red shade in hereand I want to get to his

(25:16):
comments, worried aboutBlackwell.
Nine assists to 15 turnovers inthe last five games, total flip
from his numbers during thewinning streak.
What helps the team more?
Klesman regaining his form orBlackwell cleaning up his game?
Wow, what helps the team more?
Klesman's got to give mesomething.

(25:37):
He's got to give me something.
How many times are we going todraw an inbounds play for max
klezman to fire up a three?
That's what I mean.
What hurt the badgers down thestretch there in that first half
, without tanji, withoutblackwell?
Good gandhi, where does chuck?
It's max klezman chucking dartsup at the rim and nothing's
going.
And it's like do something else.
Like what are we drawing uphere?

(25:59):
Greg guard, call timeout, dosomething completely different
than what's going on right now.
It's just that end of the firsthalf I thought was just
terrible offensively for thebadgers there.
Um, I, I think blackwell isgoing to clean up his game.
I think he's trying to do toomuch.
I, I really do.
I think blackwell at timestries to force the issue and he
gets himself into problems.
Right when I, when I watchedthe badgers tonight there and

(26:21):
they were turning the basketballover, they were driving into
double teams and they theyrealized on their penetration
the double team was coming toolate and when they realized it
it was more of the oh crapmoment than it was feeling the
game.
Right, you got to feel that.
You got to feel.
I always tell my boys, right, Icoach young basketball.
Right, but I always teach myboys dribble with a purpose,

(26:43):
right, if you're going todribble, if you're going to
drive, if you're going to doeverything, dribble with a
purpose.
When you go, you got to goright and when you go you got to
have your path.
You got to almost think ahead.
What's going to happen rightand that's where I think
Blackwell is running into a lotof his problems is he's getting
himself out of control and he'strying to do too much with the

(27:04):
basketball.
They're not working within theoffense.
I write down in my notes everysingle stinking game.
It seems like get Crowellinvolved, get the big guys
involved and it seems like theydo at times and everything looks
good.
The offense starts to flow.
We start utilizing the post.
We're working through the post.
They don't work through thepost consistently.
They don't work side to side,across both sides of the floor

(27:28):
consistently.
The ball sponge.
It's like it sticks to theouter, it sticks to the
perimeter at times, and when itsticks to the perimeter of the
Badgers, they aren't that goodof a team when it sticks to the
perimeter.
They are a good three-pointshooting team when the ball
works inside out, when they kickto shooters, when they find
their shooters, when they stickthat ball in the perimeter and
they try to create shots.
They're not as good of shotcreators.

(27:48):
I will tell you this now I loveJohn Tonje.
He's better on the catch andshoot.
Everybody is, everybody is.
Some guys can create shots.
John Tonje can create shots, socan John Blackwell, max Klesman
, when he's actually feeling it,can create shots.
But they're better on the catchand shoot.
And how do you utilize that?

(28:11):
How do you get guys into rhythmin a game?
Right, klezmit's a primeexample.
How do you get that guy into arhythm?
Catch and shoot, find him in anopen shot.
They don't do that consistentlyand that's where I think they
get away from that kind of stuff.
So that's a loaded up questionthere.
What helps team more Klezmitregaining his form of Blackwell,
cleaning up his game?
I think it's gotta be a littlebit of both.
I think it does.
In a game like it was tonightagainst Maryland, you needed Max

(28:34):
Klezmit to find something whenJohn Tonje and John Blackwell
were out.
When the Johns were out, youwere like, okay, who's my scorer
?
Right, because you had Janickion the floor, you had Gilmore,
you had Crowell or Winter inthere, you had McGee.
Mcgee can score it.
But you're like who is my mainthreat.
Right, it's supposed to beKlezman and we've said it all
along the Johns can score itgoing.

(28:59):
Those are your two guys, but ifthey could find that third
score, that third score thatcould do it consistently, this
team would take it to anotherlevel.
And that's Max Klezman.
If he can find that consistency, this team takes it to another
level there.
John said turnovers and I agreeFirst half turnovers were a

(29:20):
problem.
That's what we're talking aboutwith the penetration, getting
caught up in double teams thereand everything in between.
Ten turnovers for the Badgersand if you look back and you can
look back at every loss forWisconsin, it's ten-plus
turnovers.
Look at the game againstMarquette ten-plus turnovers.
This game, ten turnovers.
You can't go on the road with aninconsistent shooting night
where you're shooting 37% andturn the basketball over 10

(29:41):
times.
You can't.
You can't do it and you can'tmiss six free throws along with
that.
You just can't.
Those are your can'ts.
That you can't do on the roadthere.
You can't allow so manyoffensive rebounds.
Maryland had too many offensiverebounds in this game nine, and
that was in that first half.
There the Badgers would getstops and it would be an
offensive rebound, a kick out toa three and it would be a can.
And it was just like you wereasking for it.

(30:02):
You were asking for Maryland tohang around.
You had opportunities.
The Badgers had a lot ofopportunities in that first half
to extend that lead furtherthan what it was, and they just
left it hang.
They just left it hang.
They left it hang.
They left the door open andMaryland was able to capitalize
there.
Red Shed went on to um red shit.

(30:24):
When I take my take, klezmanisn't going under screens like
blackwell.
We can win without klezman onoffense, but we need him on d.
We can't win with sloppyblackwell.
Yeah, well, yes, yes, I wouldsay yes, right, you can, you can
, we've, they've won withoutklezman on offense.
I will agree with that.
But in a game like this, whereblackwell and tanji are both in
foul trouble, you can't winwithout klezman on offense.

(30:46):
You need him to be somewhat ofa threat.
That's where I thinkwisconsin's going to run into.
Issues is if they don't utilizethe post.
If crowl becomes a non-factorin a game and you just rely on
john blackwell and john tanji,john tanji goes away.
I don't know know if anybodyelse is noticing this right now,
but it seems like in some ofthese games here, john Tonje

(31:07):
just goes away.
I don't know where he goes, Idon't know what happens, but I'm
going to put it on Greg Gard tofind ways to get shooters open,
because you can tell me,because this is going to be the
guaranteed story that you'll getright.
There is that.
Well, they changed up thedefensive scheme so John Tonje
was covered up.
All right, make the adjustmentand change up the offensive

(31:30):
scheme to get John Tonje open.
He's your best shooter.
He's your best shooter.
I love John Blackwell, but Ithink Tonje's a better shooter
from the outside.
John Blackwell can get it I'mnot saying he can't, but John
Tonjay is better shooter fromthe outside.
But you can have John Tonjayjust completely go away in games
.
Yeah, he gets.
I mean, look at the last gameout there.

(31:51):
He got hot right at thebeginning and then he went
through like a 12 minute spurtwhere he didn't even shoot the
basketball.
Where does he go?
Right?
And we're gonna get the story.
Well, the defense turned it upon him.
They were, they were closinghim off.
You got to find a way to getthat son of a gun open.
Then you got to find he is yourstar and when your star is

(32:13):
getting covered up, you're gonnastruggle, right, you're gonna
struggle.
And that's where I'm saying Iwould agree the red shit.
I would agree with you thatKlezment can just be a defender
and a passer when the offense isworking, when everybody else is
out there and everything'schurning and everything's great,
right.
But on a game, a day like today,when they were calling crappy

(32:33):
fouls because I can go throughall them fouls that they called
and they were a lot of crapfouls that they were calling on
the Badgers, I will agree, Iheard a lot of crap fouls that
they were calling on the Badgers, I will agree.
I heard a lot of peoplecomplaining about it.
I will agree, there was somecrappy calls the one on Gilmore,
the shooting foul they called.
The one where Blackwell wasdriving and they called it on
the ground and it was a shootingfoul.
Clearly, I mean they call a lotof crappy fouls, I will agree.

(32:54):
But on a day like today whenthose two get into foul trouble,
you need Klezman, he needs tostep up, he needs to be the guy,
and he wasn't and that's whereyou ran into your problems.
He took a lot of shots, one foreight from the field and he's
one for six from downtown, and alot of those shots were late in
that first half and he justcouldn't find the rim.

(33:15):
He couldn't find it.
And it's not the fact that hisshots are short or long, it's
the fact that his shots are leftor right.
He's not there, he's notfeeling it, his shot is
something, something's wrong,something's wrong inside that
shot.
Right now I don't know what itis, but something's wrong in
that shot.
He missed two free throws earlyon in the game too.
I mean, you look, he missed alayup point blank.
He drove the lane, dideverything right, got to the rim

(33:39):
and he missed the layup.
I mean, you look, take away,there was a missed layup by
Klezmit later on in the gamewith like three to go.
You take the John Tonje layupthat he had at the rim and he
missed it there late in the game.
That's four points.
Final score is 76-7.
That would have been 76-72right there.
You missed six free throws.
Blackwell missed two of themand then you watch Crowell

(34:06):
missed one.
Glesman missed those two earlyones.
There's your difference in yourgame.
So normal this was.
The Badgers had everythingpossibly that they could do
wrong on the offensive end wentwrong in this game for them.
It all went wrong All at onetime.
I came out of this game I waslike, yeah, maryland, they're a
good team, they're a good team.
I did not come out of this gamethinking that Maryland is
better than Wisconsin and Iwould love to argue with

(34:29):
Maryland fans that would tell methat Maryland is better than
Wisconsin.
I will go through it again withyou.
They're not better thanWisconsin.
They beat Wisconsin.
I'll give you that.
They beat Wisconsin.
It was one of those kinds ofgames, right, but Wisconsin
played their worst offensivegame in this game.
Layups, simple layups, freethrows, the little things, the

(34:51):
little things that Wisconsin hasexcelled at all season long,
went wrong in this game.
And once again, turnovers hurt.
Turnovers hurt there.
And then, yeah, kamari missedthe bunny.
He had that little bunny shotthat he missed.
There, too, kamari had a coupleshots where he was going up and
I mean unusual play from KamariMcGee in this.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Like, wisconsin just played.
This wasn't Wisconsinbasketball, and this is where

(35:17):
I'm going to go to that.
The scary times, right, thescary times with Wisconsin
basketball.
This is where I get worriedbecause consistently throughout
the years, wisconsin gets toabout end of January, february,
right at the beginning ofFebruary, and everything is
going just fine for the Badgersand there's 16 wins and they're

(35:40):
going great.
And then all of a sudden theyjust hit a wall and they can't
get over the hump and they startdropping games left and right.
Nobody knows what's happeningright.
Last year Nebraska Nebraskajust like hurt the Badgers.
I don't know what happened inNebraska, but they hurt the
Badgers.
After that it went on adownhill tailspin.
It's like what the heck?

(36:02):
My biggest question, coming offof this game?
Because you're not going backto the Kohl Center to play in
your next matchup, you're goingto Northwestern.
You got to go back on the roadto Northwestern and
Northwestern's a good ball club.
They're a good team.
It's another hostileenvironment.
My biggest question is do youanswer the bell when you go to

(36:25):
Northwestern?
How do you respond to a gamelike this where you struggled
mightily?
John Tonje had 23 points.
He had a decent night right andSteven Kral had 10 points.
I believe Blackwell had 10points.
Outside of that, it was astruggling night and defensively
that was going to be one of mypoints too.
There I see the Red Shed saidthat Maryland shot 50% from

(36:49):
three.
That was going to be one of mypoints there.
The Badgers their rotations areslow.
They are slow to get out onshooters.
They get caught ball watching alot.
They get caught ball watching,they overhelp.
The other day against Nebraska,there was really good help.
There was really good help sidethis rotationally helping and

(37:09):
then getting out onto shooters.
It was terrible.
There was a lot of.
Maryland had a lot of wide openshots and partially I mean the
one late.
The killer was when it was a 54to 50 game and I believe Rice
was the one who hit that threein transition.
That was your killer and thatwas a missed layup.
A missed layup right at the rim.

(37:30):
Maryland was able to get outand run and be able to put it
through the rim and that's yourkillers in basketball games.
Right there, that was it.
That was when I was like waslike yeah, it's over, that's it.
Badgers don't have enough.
They don't have enough in thetank.
They're not knocking out enoughshots.
The offense doesn't look likeit's in rhythm, it just looks
rough tonight.
It's just this.
This was a game where we allhave to take a breath.

(37:52):
We all have to relax.
It wasn't the badgers night,everything that could go wrong.
Turnovers three I mean nine for27 from downtown.
In this one they shot 15 for 21from the free throw line, 22
for 59 from the floor.
Everything that could go wrongwent wrong for Wisconsin.
The offense wasn't there.

(38:12):
Defensively they struggled onceagain.
And when you have a combo a badoffense, bad defense you don't
get your free throws, you'regoing to lose basketball games,
especially on the road,especially on the road, and it's
in a place in Maryland wherethey haven't lost at all this
season.
You're going to lose basketballgames.
And when your two best playersgo out in the first half one
with nine minutes to go and theother with about six minutes to

(38:33):
go and you don't have guys stepup, that's going to happen.
I mean there was a lot ofKamari McGee on an inbounds pass
, throws it into the guy's arms,gets it tossed, throws it into
the guy's arms and then getscalled for a foul On an inbounds
pass.
He's the one inbounding it.
I mean just the silly mistakes,the mistakes that can't happen

(38:56):
happened.
So you just hope that you moveon.
You learn from this here andthat's what you're going to get
from it there.
I didn't miss one.
Um, I, the red shed, said I'mmore concerned about the defense
.
Offensive slumps happen and Itap in black wall and under
three screens that led to ninepoints.
That's what we can't see.
In March, I agree.
After the first time goingunder a screen with Gillespie, I

(39:19):
don't understand why you wentunderneath of it so many times.
I don't.
I don't.
The Badgers, they don't learnfrom that.
That's the problem.
This is a year-after-yearproblem where we talk about
going under screens on goodshooters.
They weren't looking to drive,they were looking to can it?
This team in Maryland?
Like I said, I came off thisgame.

(39:39):
This is a good team in Maryland.
I don't think they're a greatteam.
I don't.
I think the Badgers are abetter team.
I really do Watching it.
Yes, maryland won, but if yougive me that game nine times out
of ten, I think the Badgers winit seven.
I do.
I think they win it seven timesout of ten.
I really do.
I just.

(40:02):
This is everything that couldgo wrong with wisconsin
basketball right here, and it'sjust.
Will it become a trend?
Will it become a trend?
That's what we want to avoid.
So I mean, aaron, was thereanything that you saw coming off
this game that sticks out toyou?
I mean um that we didn't cover?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
not not a ton that we didn't already cover.
I, I thought, you know, becauseI finally got to watch a game
there for the first time inweeks for Wisconsin, I thought
Nolan Winter was kind of gettingbullied a good bit, like he
just kind of looked like timidat the very least, like he just
didn't, I don't know, he waskind of a, you know, a basket
case to a certain degree, youknow, in the post and stuff like

(40:36):
that.
I mean, I think your point onMax Klesman, that guy doesn't
I'm not going to say he'sgarbage, I don't want to go that
far.
Yeah, no, he's shaky at bestsome nights, you know what I
mean.
This was a night where it waslike he's just, it's like deer
in headlights to me he's justkind of dribbling all over the

(40:56):
place, he's just jacking up theshot.
He just doesn't look likecomfortable whatsoever and I
think that's I think more sothan anything for him.
It's mental.
I really do.
I just watching him.
He doesn't have that Like.
Even when Tanjay has.
You know, I've watched him inspurts.
Where he doesn't have it, helooks like he, he, he looks like
he knows he still has it.

(41:17):
Where Klezman's like uh, I haveit.
You know he's like asking him,so he almost needs like
reassurance, do I have it?
You know, so that those are acouple things.
I mean, like you said, big, bigtakeaways.
I mean maryland started outthis game not shooting well at
all and then all of a suddenthey just couldn't miss right.
It was like wow, I just it wasone of those.
I mean that's gonna happen.

(41:37):
Sometimes it's just like thestart of this game, the
trajectory of this game.
I was like you know Wisconsinwill probably pull this out and
you know it might not be apretty win but they'll pull it
out.
And then, like I said, I don'tknow Maryland, just they were
banging everything from outsideLike it.
Just, I don't know, you'regoing to have nights like that.
You know both ways.
Like Wisconsin will have anight like that, the opposition

(41:59):
will have a night like that.
But yeah, I mean I just theoffensive boards for for
Maryland.
Some of those were just incrucial, like moments where you
could just continue to pile onmomentum.
I thought, and yeah, it was.
I mean, like you said, all thethings that could have went
wrong and and it unfortunatelydid.
But you know, maybe this is ahuge wake up call to say, all
right, boys like, let's get ittogether.

(42:21):
I mean, you're not going tohave solid shooting every night,
but some of the things we needto fix, and we need to fix it
before it turns into a trend,like you had said there.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, no, I would agree, and we got to hit one
more ad break here, but I wantedto hear.
So I hope the red shed's stillin here.
I have a question.
I have a question and I want tohave an answer on the backside
of this break here.
I know we were talking aboutMax Klesman there and what our
thoughts were on Max Klesman.
Is it time that the Badgersthink about maybe a guy like

(42:54):
Kamari McGee coming into thatstarting spot and trying to take
some of that pressure off ofMax Klesman there?
So hopefully the red shed isstill in here.
I want to hear his opinion onthat one and I want to get our
opinions on that one coming offthe ad break.
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I asked that question becausewe've watched a consistent
struggle offensively for MaxKlesman and I agree, defensively
he has been better, he's beengood defensively.
And I look at him and I say tomyself offensively he's not

(44:17):
giving you much right.
That's confidence-wise,whatever it is.
I look at a guy like KamariMcGee.
He's been great, fantastic.
I don't even know what else Imean.
Kamari McGee.
He struggled tonight hereagainst Maryland.

(44:37):
There he had a struggling nighttwo for eight from the field,
one for three from downtown.
But if we want to look seasonstats, kamari McGee is that guy.
He has been that guy off thebench for the Badgers.
Now why?
I think it works for Wisconsin.

(44:58):
What do we got here?
He's got our plus minus with.
So I'm guessing this is withKlezman on the floor.
The Badgers were minus six withKamari.
They were minus 17 there on thegame.
Okay, just one game.
You know tonight, if you'reokay, kamari, they were minus 17
there on the game.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Okay, just one game.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Tonight.
If you're we got to base it offthe hole then because I don't.
If we're basing stats offtonight, the only guy who
deserves to play is John Tonjeand maybe Steven Crowell, but
that's about it.
We can't just base off tonight.
I want to go as completely as awhole as we can here.
Kamari McGee gives you a sparkdefensively.
That's what we're talking about.
Like the red shirt said earlier, right Going with screens and

(45:42):
everything, kamari McGee givesyou a spark defensively.
That I believe Max Klesman doescurrently too.
What I mean is, I think MaxKlesman still gives you the
spark off the bench that you'relooking for.
He can come into games, he canplay good defense, he can get
after guys, he can still knockdown shots.
But sometimes a role changebringing a guy off a bench

(46:05):
versus starting a guy it changesthe mental focus, right.
Sometimes it gives a little bitmore drive.
You want to get back into thestarting rotation, you want to
be the guy.
It gives you a little bit moredrive.
Maybe it messes with his psychethe opposite way.
I don't know Right, but at thisvery moment, who would you
rather have in your startingfive to end the game?

(46:25):
You need buckets, right, you'rein a tight battle.
You're in a tight battle with,let's just say, michigan State
Right, and you need buckets fromeverybody.
Michigan State right, and youneed buckets from everybody.
You're not beating MichiganState with just John Blackwell
and John Tonje and that's it.
You need other guys.
Michigan State's been fantasticthis year and a lot of people
are going to say, well, they'veonly played the bottom half of

(46:45):
the Big Ten.
They've still been good.
So I look at a team likeMichigan State who gives you the
best, which five gives you thebest shot at beating a good team
?
That's where I look and it'slike, okay, I want to say
Klesman, and I think Klesmancould be the guy.
But when I want offense, kamariMcGee's been more consistent.

(47:10):
When I need the guy, when I needa shot late in the game, right
now, who are you taking?
Taking max klesman, who'sshooting 28 on the year.
From downtown, I believe he'sshooting 28, if I'm not mistaken
.
Last time I looked 28 fromthree and I.
I don't want to knock on theguy because I love max klesman,
I love, I love the attitude hebrings.

(47:31):
He's a fantastic dude like I.
I don't want to knock on theguy, but when I look at shooting
to shooting, when I look atoffense to offense, kamari
McGee's numbers blow MaxKlezma's numbers out of the
water right now.
They do Kamari McGee's shooting.
What a whopping.
55% from three on the seasonright now.
And he's shooting 53% from thefloor, 84% from the free throw

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line.
He's getting two rebounds agame and two assists per game.
Kamari McGee blows Max Klesmanout of the water right now.
So when I think of a guy, when I, when I'm looking at this
rotation right now and I'm likewho deserves more minutes at
this moment, what's the when?
When do you start to getconcerned over Max Klesman?

(48:15):
What's the when?
When do you start to getconcerned over max klesman?
When do you start to say whatis going to be my best rotation
in march?
Let's say we're in march, rightnow, right, and we need to have
our best five on the floor toget us buckets.
Would you want kamari mcgeesitting on the bench in that
moment or would you want maxklesman on the bench?
Which one?
Who would you want?
Right, if max klesman isfeeling it?

(48:35):
Sure, if they're playingMarquette?
Sure, because against Marquettehe goes off.
So if we could play Marquetteevery single game, the guy would
average 30 points a game.
I don't know what it is, it'sjust when he plays Marquette he
goes off.
Right now, maybe you don'tstart him, but you got to figure
it out fast.
In a game of Max Clesman's on oroff Right I always used to lean

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forward with the Badgers.
He would shoot like one or twothrees and you could tell if he
was on or off.
A lean forward was not a guywhere it was like he was going
to miss the first two and hitthe next five.
It wasn't.
He missed the first two, he wasdone.
That was the day.
Max Czman's around that samemark right now.

(49:18):
If he's feeling it, he'sfeeling it, but if he's off, oh
man, he's off.
And then what are you supposedto have a guy pepper in the rim
late in the first half becausenobody else out there will shoot
the basketball.
So it's like what are you?
What are you asking for there?
Um, I don't even know how topronounce that word fallacyacy,
fallacy.
Classic fallacy here.

(49:38):
We'll call it the Devin Hesterfallacy.
You'll have to elaborate thatone for me.
Red Shep, we're kind of I'lluse the word illiterate, I'll
say I'm illiterate here.
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Maybe all or nothing Like type of.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Ah, there you go, there you go, there you go,
there you go.
He elaborated Specialists don'talways do better with more
exposure.
Corner three McGee is notshutting down their best scorer.
He goes in when their bestscorer is on the bench.
I don't know about it.
I'm going to agree to disagree.
I'm going to agree to disagreewith that one there.
I don't think Max Klesman'sshutting down their best shooter

(50:17):
.
To be honest with you, I don't.
I really don't, not at thispoint.
I don't.
I don't think McGee's a gooddefender.
And if you're telling me thatyou think McGee's not a good
defender, I think McGee's a gooddefender.
I think he can defend Right now.
If you're telling me that MaxKlesman, the reason why we have

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him on the floor, is strictlyfor defense and he's a liability
on the offensive end, what doesthat do for me?
It just gives more guys towatch John Tonji and more guys
to watch John Blackwell, ifKlesman's a liability.
So if corner three McGee isjust going to, if he's going to
be able to knock down shots forme, cut to the rim and do those
little things and make layups,sure I'll take it.
I will take it Because at thispoint Max Klezma is missing

(51:04):
point blank.
He's missing point blank If wethink that more exposure for Max
Klezma right now is helping him.
It's not.
I thought maybe getting himmore shots would help.
He shot a lot tonight here.
How'd that go?
So I'm not saying that you'rewrong, that more exposure for
McGee is going to be thegreatest thing in the world.
I'm not saying that you'rewrong, that that's going to be

(51:27):
the key.
I'm not saying it's going to bethe key to putting McGee in
there over Klezman.
But what I'm saying is, at thispoint, max Klesman is a
liability for me on theoffensive end and that just puts
more eyes on the Johns.
It puts more eyes that we candouble off of him and shut down
Crowell in the post, becauseCrowell is going to get double

(51:50):
team with Klesman's guy comingdown.
Guys can just rotate over.
All they got to do is respectTonje and Blackwell right now.
You still got to respectKlezman, but until he starts
knocking down shots what I meanMaryland was like eh right, but
when Tonje got the ball, theywere right up on him.

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When Blackwell got the ball,they were right up on him.
When Klezman gets the ball,it's like yeah, well, you want
to do some dance out there.
Do some dance.
We're going to stop you fromdriving to the rim, but after
that, I mean you want to try toshoot a step back three.
Shoot a step back three.
There's no worry.
I'm more worried about NolanWinter shooting threes right now
than I am not as a Badger fan.

(52:31):
I'm not saying I'm more worriedLike if I'm a defender.
I'm more worried about Nolanwinter shooting threes at this
point than I am about MaxGlesman, and I think that's the
problem.
So I don't know, like you said,if McGee getting in there more
is going to help or if it'sgoing to be the key.
But at this point I don't knowwhat it hurts.

(52:52):
I don't and actually honestlydon't know what it hurts.
I don't and actually honestly,I don't know if you're going to
like this or not, but it givesBlackwell off the ball guard
capabilities.
Then it allows Blackwell towork off the ball.
It allows McGee to bring thebasketball down the floor, be
your true point guard, and itallows Blackwell to work off
ball and maybe get more shotsoff the ball, because the

(53:15):
turnover problem that we'retalking about right now.
You're putting a lot of pressureon a guy in Blackwell as a
sophomore right now who's neverreally played outside of high
school, played true point guard.
He hasn't played true pointguard at the college level until
this season.
You're putting a lot ofpressure on that guy.
Mcgee could take that pressureoff by being the guard, being
your true point guard, andletting Tonje and Blackwell be

(53:36):
your off guard.
Your your wings.
Just let them be the wings.
Those are two dynamic wingsthat you got there that can
score it from three levels andcan do it all.
I wouldn't hate that.
I wouldn't hate that at all.
I think it brings a differentdynamic in there.
So I mean, we'll see.
I'm not saying it's going to bethe key, like I said, not saying
it's going to be the key, butit's a thought.
It's definitely a thought thereand it's something that's

(53:57):
crossed my mind before, because,klezmit, this has been we're
what 21 games into the season.
Now we asked at the 10 gamemark if we should start to worry
.
We're like, nah, nah, he'llstart to figure it out.
When do you start to worry?
When do you start to worry?
When do you start to get tothat point where you're like

(54:19):
crap, crap, what are we going todo, right, what are we going to
do there.
So Badgers dropped this one toMaryland 76 to 68.
There I mean, we're not goingto lose.
We're not going to lose ourminds.
Right, we're okay, badgers areokay.
It's going to be a big test.
Now they have Northwesterncoming up next year.
That's going to be a big test.
How do the Badgers bounce back?
I think that's going to be thetrue testament from past years

(54:41):
to this year.
What is the difference inresiliency of this team versus
past years?
Can they get over that hump?
Get this next one here atNorthwestern, because
Northwestern, though the recorddoesn't show it, that's still a
talented ball club.
Bartonelli's still there,leigh's still there.
They got good pieces Bartonelli.
They have Barnheiser.
They have good pieces acrossthe board there.

(55:01):
So this Northwestern game isgoing to be a tough one there.
That'll be coming up.
I believe that's on Saturday,saturday 1 o'clock game there on
FS1.
So we'll see that game is goingto be coming up at the Welsh
Ryan Center.
So we'll get more to that game.
On Friday here on the showwe'll preview that game.
Get more into it.
We ran long today on theBadgers so we had lots to get
into today, but we're not evengoing to get into it here today,

(55:24):
but I want to leave a questionwith everybody.
We're going to get out of hereright after this.
I want to leave a question witheverybody and this is going to
be our opening topic on Fridayon the show.
So my question is how close arethe Green Bay Packers to the

(55:46):
top teams in the league?
How close are the Green BayPackers to the top teams in the
league?
Now, this is what I'm going toask.
This is what I'm going to ask.
This is going to be thecriteria.
Are they in the league?
Now, this is what I'm going toask.
This is what I'm going to ask.
This is going to be thecriteria.
Are they in the same city?
Are they in the same county?
Are they in the same state?
Are they even on the continent?

(56:07):
Where are they?
We'll say country, we'll gocountry next, city, state.
What did I say?
City, county, state, country,country?
Yeah, where are they in rankingwise right now compared to the
rest of the league?
I want to get more into thePackers on Friday here, because
we got last get into right.
Free agency is right around thecorner there.

(56:27):
We want to talk about trades.
We want to talk about some ofthe Packers free agents who we'd
bring back, who we're going tolet go.
The Reese's senior bowl isgoing on right now.
Maybe we'll see some hear somerumblings out of there.
Right, brian Gutekinds istalking with some of the Raiders
executives there, so people arestarting to get a little, a
little anxious to see maybe MaxCrosby or some of these other
names coming across the boardthere.
So, aaron, before we get out ofhere, is there anything else

(56:49):
you got to say to wrap us uphere for the night?

Speaker 3 (56:53):
I don't, I don't really think so.
Um you know, a couple weeks Imean you know, week off of nfl
will be weird I will say that,um you know, no college football
, no nfl this weekend.
But I'm not complaining, I mean, it's well, maybe it's the pro
bowl right yeah, the pro bowl ifyou consider that the pro bowl
games right the flag?

(57:14):
Two-hand touch church leagueDodgeball and whatever else.
I don't even know it'ssomething.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
It's odd.
Who knows, somebody's going tobe there.
I think Caleb Williams is thestarting quarterback for the NFC
, because everybody else droppedout.
I don't know.
I have no idea what's happening.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
I'll ask you this real quick.
I know we already ran late sowe're already kind of screwed,
but do you look at a guy at theend of his career?
Do you look at Pro Bowls?
As far as does that carry a lotof weight to you?

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Not anymore.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
That's where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
It's weird Just the fact that I know Mahomes didn't
have a great year, but to nothave him in the how much
significant is a Pro Bowlselection anymore?

Speaker 1 (57:55):
It doesn't mean as much to me anymore.
No, they changed the game tothis flag football bullhooking
crap.
What is the offensive line?
I don't know.
It's so odd to look back andsee guys actually Jeff Saturday
is coming onto the AFC side andsnapping it to Peyton Manning

(58:17):
one last time, like to see thosevideos of an actual football
game.
And now we're watching flagfootball and guys don't even
want to go Right.
I mean, look who would be your.
They'd have to be in there,like Joe Burrows of the world
and stuff like that.
And they're like I'm notplaying.
Like this is just this isnothing.
Why, like this is just this isnothing, why would I play?

Speaker 3 (58:35):
I think eventually they go away from it and do like
.
I don't know if it's like aconsolation bracket, where it's
I don't something different ithas to.
This is not the move I don'tthink for for this event.
Whatever they want, it's noteven a game anymore, it's just a
bunch of random.
I don't even know what it is.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I think you could honestly get away with not
having to fight football andjust having a skill competition,
and people would watch.
I think the skill competitionis cool.
Like I don't hate the skillcompetition, it's like the NBA
skill competition wasn'tterrible, it's just when you get
the all-star game it'sabsolutely like atrocious, like
just terrible.
Maybe for the MLB they shoulddo a skills competition.

(59:12):
That would be cool.
Watch like your outfielders whocan throw the furthest, who can
just rip one, who's got thebest accuracy from the center
field fence or something wild.
And then you've got pitchersout there who can put it through
a pinhole.
I mean just some weird thingsyou can do with different
pitchers, hitters, whatever.
Just to see some of the talents.

(59:33):
I think that would be cool.
Hit a target, that wouldwhatever.
Just to see some of the talents.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Like I think that'd be cool.
Like no, I hit the target.
Like that'd be cool.
I absolutely love that.
I just know that they're gonnabe so scared of injury like
because guys will like if you'retalking, who can throw the far
like.
I love that idea in theory.
I just trevor bauer, they throwthat baby over top of the center
field fence and I want to seewho can throw it like furthest
from the outfield to like justforever long, Like remember

(59:58):
Yasiel Puig would throw it fromlike the wall, like one hopper
from the wall, like from the waroh, joanna, cespedes that was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Joanna Cespedes had the gun and a half there of an
arm.
So, aaron, we got to get thehay out of here.
We got to get the hay out ofhere.
We ran long tonight.
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(01:00:52):
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