Dec 10 Hour 2: Packers, Bucks and More

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Watson set the tempo, Love ran the show, and Jacobs proved why touches drive the offense. We dig into defensive hitters in the secondary, a reasoned CFP standard, tight NFL power tiers, and how the Bucks steady the ship without Giannis amid noisy rumors.

• Watson’s impact across routes and run support
• Love’s command pre-snap and the need to hit in stride
• Sequencing drives through Josh Jacobs to avoid stalls
• Reed’s return and Bo Melton’s timely plays
• Bullard and Williams setting a physical tone on defense
• Enagbare earning more snaps with efficient rush wins
• Denver’s test and how Green Bay should shape the game
• Notre Dame’s CFP snub and a head‑to‑head standard
• Best‑12 vs auto‑bid debate for playoff quality
• AFC and NFC power tiers and key picks
• Bucks cap realities, trade chips, and wing depth
• Surviving December without Giannis and targeting winnable runs

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SPEAKER_05 (00:00):
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So Umber is back here, hournumber two of the show.
We were talking about thePackers when we went to the
break there.
And I was talking aboutChristian Watson.

(00:42):
And I said, we've been talkingabout the Packers missing a wide
receiver one for years now.

unknown (00:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (00:48):
I think it's because he's been hurt.
I think it is.
Yeah, 100%.
He's there.
It's just he's been hurt.
So now can he stay healthy?
I would please, please, pleasestay healthy because when he's
out there, he's fantastic.
He's dominant.
He's, I mean, just a gamechanger out there on the field
in every facet.
Blocking.
I mean, they they asked him,they said, you know, Christian,
what's going on in the run game?
And he said, I'm not blockinggood enough.

(01:08):
I told that Josh Jacobs, I'm notdoing my block.
Yeah, he could have had atouchdown on that.
And it's like, it's like, that'show the unselfish play of this
guy, and yet he's still as goodas what he is.
I mean, Amir, what are yourthoughts?
You had you had some thoughts onChristian Watson, you were
talking about what are some ofyour thoughts on him?

SPEAKER_03 (01:22):
I just the one part was when he had that second
touchdown, he literally lookedlike you know how like you said,
like you know, Jordan looked athim and then like Watson looked
back at him.
It looks like Watson isliterally looking at uh see uh
Chauncey Gardner Johnson andhe's waving at him.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36):
He did.
He pointed out there and he wentup and like waved at him like
bye.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40):
Like he knew that he's like bye, and then he
kicked that slant, and it waslike the Philadelphia game in um
in 28 uh 2022 when he came inand he housed that slant to the
uh you know in Philly.
That was an awesome run, too.

SPEAKER_05 (01:53):
It was the same play call, it was basically the same
play call as they had in thatone.
It's just like you came off ofthe Lions game.
You can't go man to man withthis team.
There is no team across footballright now that I've seen so far.
And the Denver Broncos havepretty good defense.
So we're gonna find out comingup this weekend here what this
Packers offense is really madeof in that game.
But there is the we saw itagainst the Lions.

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They tried to go mad.
What happened?
Matt LaFleur said, You want togo mad?
Here it is.
And Jordan Love, like we weretalking about we went to the
break, has such good command ofthat offense right now and such
good play.
Like he's so good seeing thecoverage with the hot routes,
everything like that, callingblitzers, calling upping his
protection, whatever it is.
He is just he's reading the gameso much better right now, and I

(02:34):
love it.
That's just the steps that youwant to see him take.
There is one step.
I just want to say this becauseI just came to my head off of
Jordan Love.
There is one step that I have tonitpick, and I want to complain.
I just want to see him leadreceivers just a little bit
more.
Yeah, I get that.
I just want to see him becausethe one to Bo Mel.
I know, I know it was a heck ofa throw to Bo Mel, and it was a
beautiful throw, beautiful, buthe just underthrew it just a

(02:57):
little bit, and it actually madethe Bears corner, I can't
remember who it was, butactually let him get close to
catching up to that, right?
Yeah, and it's just those thosekind of throws are the ones
where it's like, okay, he madeit, but it's like if you just
lead him a little bit, you canhit him in stride.
You're you have such talent atthe wide receiver room, Jaden
Reed, Christian Watson,Dontavian Wicks has really good
separation, Matthew Golden.

(03:18):
That if you could just hit themin stride, they could blow teams
out of the water.
Like they could just go for it.
But it's like some of thosethrows, guys have to come back
to it.
Christian Watts has got to catchyou with two guys around him,
that kind of stuff.
So I don't want to nickpickbecause I think he's playing
like 22 touchdowns, fourinterceptions, and he still have
people saying that he stillmakes ill-advised throws.
I don't even know what thatmeans.
He has four.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (03:38):
But he does is good at the teachers.

SPEAKER_05 (03:40):
So he's having a great year.
He like Colin Coward said, and Isaid it off top of the show.
I said Colin Coward said it'sgreatest.
He said he's the only greatquarterback in the league that
they won't crown as great.
That's the only thing.
He like will not admit that he'sgood.
I think it's because he playsfor the Packers.
That's all I have to say.
But, anyways, we talked aboutthat earlier.
If you guys missed it, make sureyou listen back across all
podcast platforms next day.
But let's talk about so let'slet's let's dive into this.

(04:03):
Let's dive into some of theplayers off this game that we
liked and some of the playsmaybe that we liked out of this
one.
So I want to start right away.
I want to start with JoshJacobs.
That run that he had on thethird and two, when he just four
guys just said, whoops, wheredid he go?
Yeah, Debbie Rice.
Yeah, 21 yards downfield, just ahuge, nothing was there.

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Actually, the only guy whoactually had a successful block
on that play was Josh Wiley.
Congratulations, Josh Wiley.
You're the only one who had agood block on that play.
Everybody else missed.
And they all missed.
And the four guys collided, andJosh Jacobs skied it out of it.
And that's the thing, though.
That's what I wanted to say.
I don't care how you have to doit, whether it's in the run
game, whether it's in the passgame, they have to get Josh
Jacobs more involved in gameplans.

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I know I'm we vouched that forevery guy out there on the
football field, right?
But Josh Jacobs is one of yourpremier playmakers on your
offense.
And if you're not involving himin some facet of a way on a
drive, it drives me nuts, right?
We talk about the defense givingup points in the second half.
The defense gave up points inthe second half because they
were gassed.
Your offense went out there, andthere was a drive where the

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Bears went down the field toscore and they cut it to 21 to,
I believe it was 21 to 14 atthat point there.
Or no.
Yeah, it was 21, must have been21-14 at that point.
And the Packers ensuing drive,the next drive out, they went
three plays and punted thefootball back to the Bears.

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Now, I'm not uh I'm not adefensive player in the NFL, but
I'm going to assume it was afterthis drive the Bears went.
It was off the punt and thenthey scored a touchdown.
They went seven plays, 30.
They were just on the field,just scored, packers go out,

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three plays, six yards, a minute43 seconds, punt it back to the
Bears.
Bears go 17 plays, 83 yards, 8minutes and 32 seconds.
Like that's the kind of thingthat I'm talking about is like
the small drives in that secondhalf, I thought hurt.
And I thought on those drives,you just didn't get your guys
involved.
I mean, you look at the drivesthat he had.
The first drive there in thethird quarter.

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Three plays, negative 11 yards,minute off the clock.
Jordan Love, first and 10.
It was a pass play.
Second play, Josh Jacobs run fornegative one yards.
Third play was a penalty.
Fourth play, penalty.
Now then there's nothing.
I mean, that was on the punt,but nothing really happened
there.
There's a punt on special teamsall the time.
There's a penalty on specialteams all the time.

(06:35):
But, anyways, it's just you lookat these drives in the second
half, and what I'm trying to sayis Josh Jacobs is not involved
enough in there.
And that's my problem, is thatthey don't they don't spice it
up a little bit in that secondhalf.
The the play calling kind of gotvanilla for me in the second
half, and Josh Jacobs wasn't afocal point in it.
And then you finally got to thattouchdown drive that they had
late in the game, and JoshJacobs became more involved.

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Josh Jacobs right tackle for 11yards.
First play of the drive goes for11 yards.
Next play was that Jaden Reedhit, and then you got Josh
Jacobs up the middle.
And then you take Josh Jacobs,short left for six yards, and
then you got Josh, it's justJosh Jacobs.
I mean, you're just highlightingJosh Jacobs down the field.
And that's what I'm trying tosay by this whole thing is that
when you get Josh Jacobsinvolved, things go right.

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So that's what I'm trying tosay.
Get Josh Jacobs more involvedwithin the offense.
Armor, who do you got for me?
Who do you got for a player thatyou want to highlight in that
one?

SPEAKER_03 (07:28):
I mean, the cool thing was like right off the
bat, you could tell like theywanted to get Jaden Reed
involved immediately.
Like they wanted to get him gamereps, they wanted to make sure
he got a little football energyin him.
He hadn't played in like threemonths, you know, two months.
And so seeing him out there andseeing that he was just a spry
as he was week two, I could telllike they were just getting his
feet wet.
And I feel like you're gonna seemore and more of an emphasis

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kind of going with him, Watson,because we saw Wicks have a
really good game in Detroit, andthen he unfortunately had an
ankle injury, so he couldn'treally play for most of the
game.
So then Bo Melton had come in.
So my two highlights are JadenReed getting his feet wet and
looking like he didn't skip abeat from his injuries, and then
on top of that, look at BoMelton coming in and a saving an

(08:12):
interception that you know onthat you know second half when
Jordan throws it up thesideline, and then of course
having the touchdown as well.
I just think that the one playerthat people say that if you
listen to Matt LaFleur when hetalks about the whole team as a
whole of players, he's very,very cliche, very like generic,
but he lights up when we talkabout Bo Melton.

(08:32):
And people think that uhbasically Bo Melton's gonna be a
green bay until he wants toretire.
I don't think he's ever gonnaleave.
He's just that kind of dude.
He does he does anything theywant to do, play offense, play
defense, play special teams.
He's willing to do everythingand anything, and then when he
does it, he does it well.
And I like feel like on theoffense, highlighting those two
guys.
I mean, Josh Jacobs is amonster.
I mean, I mean, you you kind ofcleared it up perfectly.

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Like, you have to get him more,you have to basically almost
make him it's like there's onlyone football at this point,
right?
You give it to Christian Watson,you give it to Jacobs, you give
it to Reed.
The cool thing is now that weyou know we lost Tucker Kraft,
you're starting to see thisoffense again morph and adapt
and find other ways of involvingother playmakers, right?
If you do think about it, at thebeginning of the season, I mean

(09:16):
Jordan was really out with hisnumber one receiver, he lost his
number two receiver, right?
And then he eventually loses hisnumber one tight end.
And then on top of the offensiveline has had a lot of
fluctuation going back and forthwith that, and he's been able to
kind of weather the storm asbest he could.
You're starting to see this teamreally hit stride at the right
time, which is what we kepttalking about, right?
You know, all the ups and downs,all the preseason games you

(09:38):
would say in September.
Here, they're starting to playtheir best football at the most
important time, which isDecember and hopefully January,
and then maybe even hopefullyFebruary.

SPEAKER_05 (09:47):
100%.
And one of the biggest thingsthat I highlighted, and and it
was what you just mentionedthere was Wix went out with
injury.
He was your star last week.
He went out with injury, yep,and then it was somebody else
this week.
And that's what I love so muchabout this wide receiver core
and this offense for the Packersis they have that ability, is
this week by week it changes.
It doesn't have to be Wicks thisweek, it can be Watson this

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week, and then it can be Dobbs,and it can be Reed.
And you know, when Kraft is outthere, it was Kraft, and then
it's Jacobs, and it's just youcan do it just keeps going,
right?
And that's where Matt LaFleurbecomes masterful, is when he
has all that weaponry to workwith, he becomes that much
better.
So I'm completely with you onthat.
I look over the defensive sideof the ball, Javian Bullard and
Evan Williams out there togetherright now.

(10:29):
Oh my, there was a play, and Ikeep it relives in my mind all
the time, where Williams rolledout to the right, and Bullard
but he was back in coverage,kind of playing like a short
little little zone coveragethere.
And he saw Williams take offthrough the towards the
sideline, and he came up and hewas like he shot out of a cannon
and he blew him up, blew him updown low.

(10:51):
Boom, took him out of the legs,and Williams luckily got him got
the ball out just in time to getrid of it there.
But that play, and then seeingBullard and seeing Williams in
the run game, their ability toslow down the run and the hits
that they make when they comethrough that hole.
Yeah, wow.
I mean, just wow.
I I know we have Zayn McKinney'sthere right now, so I don't want
to say, but you have two guysthat technically Bullard's like

(11:14):
fluctuated around being asafety, and then he's a nickel,
and then he's everywhere else.
I hope that he stays at nickelbecause he's been fantastic
there.
But I mean, you've seen theseguys move around a little bit,
they got some hard-hitting guysout there in that secondary.
I mean, when Nixon actuallyplays with his head on straight,
because he does kind of getgoofy on you at times, he has
that Jair kind of mood to himthere.
When he plays with his head onstraight, this defense, that

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secondary, they got some hardhitters out there, and they can
get after you, and especially inthe run game, I love how they
play.
So I would have say JavianBullard and Williams were
another guy for me.
Do you got another one for mehere, Ummer?
Who do you got?
I mean, do you got anotherplayer that you like coming off
this one?

SPEAKER_03 (11:48):
Defense, man.
I think uh JJ uh Igambare, man,he honestly his snaps out there
need to increase.
I know Rashawn Gary, I don'tknow what's going on.
I don't know if he's injured,his snaps are decreasing.
He's he's going full tilt on therun defense, which I do love.
But when it comes to pass shot,pass, pass rush minus Michael
Parsons, I feel like you'reseeing the most out of JJ

(12:10):
Igambare.
Iganbare is just like he's hehad a one sack on Caleb, and he
just seems like every time he'son the field, he's just getting
shot off canon.
I mean, he just looksunstoppable, and I think he's
taking full advantage of Parsonsbeing out there and causing all
the disruption.
And I'm kind of hoping thatthese new guys that we picked up
literally 700 pounds of meatwith uh uh Quintana Fonta and uh

(12:33):
Jordan Riley.
I'm really hoping they're activethis week.
So we're gonna need them becauseyou know the the Broncos deep
offense is you know, it's a verymultifaceted offense.
They can throw the ball, theycan run the ball, and then Bo
Knicks can also, he's also veryelusive.
He can run too.
And then, you know, we need tobe able to make them as
one-dimensional as possiblebecause that defense is good,
but they have also been somewhatexposed.

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Like they they're leading theleague in sacks, they're gonna
blow the sack record out of thewater when it comes to the team.
But like when it comes to otherparts of that defense, Patrick
Sartain's had a lot of injuries.
Riley Riley Moss is one of theguys who I think you can pick
on.
You just need to really takeadvantage of the other aspects
of their defense that aren'tjust the front four.

SPEAKER_05 (13:11):
100%.
I love that Egambari one thatyou had there because there was
a third and one play that he hadwhere he just grabbed that
running back and chucked him,and it was it was awesome.
It was awesome there.
He's got some growing manstrength, definitely.
And I'd love to, and we're Imean, we're gonna discuss this
in the future here.
But if Rashawn Gary's contractisn't picked up, maybe Egambari
is the guy that you signed backand you kind of let Rashawn Gary

(13:32):
walk.
Maybe that's what they try to dothere to save a uh a penny
there.
I don't know what they're gonnado there.
But Ummer, I gotta run here.
Thank you as always for stoppingby tonight here.
We'll let the people know whereto find you out there across
social media.

SPEAKER_03 (13:42):
Thanks for having me as always, bro.
You can find me at uh AMAR3455on Twitter, all over Instagram,
and all that good stuff too.
Also, social media platformswere everywhere, man.

SPEAKER_05 (13:51):
Make sure you guys go ahead, go ahead, mama.

SPEAKER_03 (13:53):
Go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 (13:54):
Make sure you guys check him out.
Fantastic stuff there acrosssocial media.
Always talking Packers, alwaystalking everything in between
across social media.
So make sure make sure you guyscheck him out there.
He'll be back Saturday here.
We got to preview the Broncosgame on Saturday on the show
here at 10, between 10 and 11,somewhere.
Umer will stop by.
We'll talk about the Packersthere.
So thank you as always, Ummer.
We'll be back here after a quickcommercial break.

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Kyle's gonna stop by.
We have some college footballplayoff talk to get to.
We have some NFL power rankings,we have our pick-em for the
week.
We'll be right back here onWisconsin Sports on the Go with
Trade.
Wisconsin Sports on the Go withTrade.
I'm your host, Trade, as we comeback here on this Wednesday.
And hey, this next segment here,Kyle Stopping by, we're gonna
talk a little college footballplayoff.
We're gonna talk a little NFL.
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So, Kyle is here tonight.
Kyle, how are we doing on thisWednesday?

SPEAKER_01 (14:56):
I'm good.
Uh look, as a sports fan, thisis a great time.
And as we're gonna talk about,like you said, college football
playoff.
Always a fun debate, discussion.
It's just like March Madness.
12 teams get in.
Everybody wants to talk aboutteam 13 and 14.
So this is just the normal everyevery year thing, but uh I love

(15:19):
it.

SPEAKER_05 (15:20):
100%.
You love the madness, you gottayou gotta embrace the madness.
I don't know what I just did onmy computer.
I was trying to search up stuffhere quick, and I just ended up,
there's like emojis that I don'teven know how to pull emojis up
on my on this computer here, andall of a sudden I got emojis
pulling up, and I'm like, Idon't even know how to get out
of this now.
So there's a whole lot of mess.
But Kyle, as always, we gottastart right with the mellow,

(15:42):
yellow minute.
And we thought maybe we need tolet the people get more personal
with Trage, right?
They gotta get more personalwith Trade.
So we're gonna start doingTrage's top five.
So we're getting into theholiday spirit, right?
We're a couple weeks away fromChristmas, but we're gonna start
getting the holiday spirit as weget closer here.
And this week, we want to doTrage's top five Christmas

(16:05):
movies.
So I'm gonna give Kyle my five.
And if you guys want to beinvolved in this, hit up the
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Text us 715-990-4914.
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If you get this right beforeKyle does, if you can list the
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So, Kyle, here's my here's mylist in no particular order.

(16:29):
So don't take any any hints bythis.
No particular order.
The Polar Express, a Christmasstory, National Lampoons
Christmas vacation, elf and theGrinch.

SPEAKER_01 (16:55):
Polar Express, Christmas story.
Christmas vacation, elf, andmissing here.

SPEAKER_05 (17:03):
National Lampoon's Christmas vacation, Grinch, a
Christmas story, Polar Express,and Elf.

SPEAKER_01 (17:09):
Okay.
So five, I will go with PolarExpress.

SPEAKER_05 (17:20):
It is the Polar Express.
It is the Polar Express Five.
That was an expert one there,Kyle.
What do you got for number four?
Four.
It is elf.
It is elf.
That was a good one there.
So we got Polar Express 5, Elf4.

SPEAKER_01 (17:42):
3.

SPEAKER_05 (17:46):
This one's kind of an eh movie to some people.

SPEAKER_01 (17:51):
Well, I was gonna go National Lampoons Christmas
Vacation as three.
Oh, don't do that to me.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
I mean, I was I was just I wasjust saying.

SPEAKER_05 (18:00):
The movie at three is like an eh to some people.
They're like, eh, I could liveor without it.

SPEAKER_01 (18:06):
Is it a Christmas story?
It is a Christmas story.

SPEAKER_05 (18:09):
I got Christmas story at three.
We have two and one left, Kyle.
We have National LampoonsChristmas Vacation and the
Grinch.
One and two.
What do you got for me?

SPEAKER_01 (18:18):
So I'll go Grinch to Christmas Vacation.
We got it.

SPEAKER_05 (18:23):
We got National Lampoons is my number one
Christmas movie, followed by theGrinch, then a uh Christmas
story, Polar Express, and orwell, Elf, and then Polar
Express coming in at numberfive.
I just my favorite part of theuh National Lampoons Christmas
is when uh he the cat is chewingon the uh lights underneath the
chair and he goes to plug itback into the wall and then just

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oh yeah, and then you know thecrapper's full and he's like
shooting it into the sewer outthere.
Okay, yeah, that movie's justfantastic.
I gotta go watch it when we'redone here.
But Kyle, we gotta talk aboutthe crap fest that was the
college football playoffselection, whatever that was.
Notre Dame left out.
We saw my we saw Miami get in,Notre Dame left out, Alabama

(19:06):
gets in with three losses, BYUgets penalized for losing in
their conference championshipgame, Alabama gets throttled,
they don't get penalized.
Kyle, I mean, let's start rightthere with the the I the snubs,
as you would say, right?
Let's start right with NotreDame.
You go six weeks of selectionshows, and you're in, you're in,

(19:28):
you're in.
You go to the final one, you'rein.
And then all of a sudden, whenthe final, the final one
happens, you're out.
And neither played a game,nothing happened, that should
have changed it that week.
Why why did it change?
I mean, it it's do you are youwith how Notre Dame?
I mean, they're pretty upset,they're not going to a bowl game

(19:48):
at all.
I mean, they're basicallyboycotting the whole thing.
Are you okay?
Are you like, I I understand whythey're doing that, or are you
more in the camp of they shouldyou know get over it?
Like you you lost your gamesearly on.
You should have beat those oneof those two teams early on.
You would have been fine.
You didn't.
You're not in a conference.
Where are you at with that wholething?

SPEAKER_01 (20:07):
I I think the whole boycott thing is just being a
sore loser.
We had a couple of years ago.
Georgia was in the same boat.
Georgia felt like they shouldhave been in the playoffs.
They were left out.
They didn't do any of this.
All they did was go to the bowlgame and destroy Florida State.
They beat him like 66 tosomething.

(20:28):
Uh that was the game where likeJordan Travis ended up getting
hurt, and you know that kind ofset his career on a different
path.
But Georgia just took out theirfrustration on an opponent.
That's what Notre Dame shouldhave done.
And I I get their frustrationjust in one instance.

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The fact that they were 10,Miami was 12, and then they get
left out.
But I think a lot of thequestioning about Bama is where
I think Notre Dame kind of fallsflat.
Because Notre Dame as anindependent, they are solely

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dependent on their schedule.
That's the only thing they haveto go by.
The only two really statementgames on the schedule they lost.
Miami, and then they lose toTexas AM the week after.
Now, normally with theirschedule, you know, Stanford's
usually kind of a ranked team,that helps them out.
USC's usually ranked a littlehigher, that helps them out.

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You know, BC's not a one-winteam.
So they actually fell victim totheir schedule holding them back
more so than Alabama.
And look, I get it, Alabama withthree losses, everybody, you
know, SEC bias and everythinglike that.
Unfortunately, the committeedidn't forget a couple of weeks

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ago, Alabama went out to Athensand destroyed the same Georgia
team.
Right.
So I think the committee'stelling us that Alabama sitting
at nine was kind of highly ratedover 10, 11, 12 to the point
that that loss didn't reallymatter to the committee.
They're gonna put Alabama inanyway.

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Now, if that game got out ofhand and Georgia beat them like
you know, 72 to nothing, wemight have a different story.
Now BYU BYU was on the bubbleanyway.
They lose the Texas Tech, theythey get knocked out.
That's unfortunate, but that'skind of where we are.

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So I I think for Notre Dame tobe acting the way that they are.
I'm glad the ACC has come outand talked about them because
Notre Dame's like blaming theACC for them not getting in.
Because the ACC, I guess, pumpedup Miami.
There's a reason why.
Miami's a member of the ACC.

SPEAKER_00 (22:53):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (22:53):
Notre Dame, you're just an independent that plays
nice with the ACC.
So Notre Dame needs to go ahead,join the ACC, win the
conference, and then we're nottalking about this.

SPEAKER_05 (23:05):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (23:06):
So that's their biggest problem.

SPEAKER_05 (23:08):
They're not gonna do it because it makes so much
money, but if they just beadmitting if you didn't, if you
would have gone with Notre Dameover Miami, you're admitting
that head-to-head doesn'tmatter.
And it doesn't matter early on,which you know, a lot of people
are like, oh, well, it was earlyon in the season.
I don't care.
It happened.
Like it has to count.
Otherwise, if it doesn't count,why are you scheduling all these

(23:29):
good games for early on in theseason?
You wouldn't.
Nobody would want to play thosegood games early on because if
you get beat up a couple gamesof your conference schedule,
then look what happens.
You're just completely outed,right?
Now, Miami did take their badlosses.
I will agree.
They had some bad losses alongthe way.
They controlled their owndestiny, they didn't even make
the ACC championship.
Some would argue that evenwinning the ACC championship,
even like coming out of the ACCwith a good record isn't that

(23:52):
impressive right now because youjust watch a five-loss Duke team
end up winning the ACCchampionship game.
So I mean, and then youpenalized Virginia, who lost in
their big or in their titlegame, to knock them out of the
college ball playoffs.
So it's uh it's such a hard gamethat they're playing.
And I think honestly, can I behonest with you right now?
I would just take the top best12 teams in college football and

(24:13):
just put them in.
I'm I'm sick of the I'm gonna behonest with you, and I'm gonna
make people mad and feel badwith this one.
I don't need to see JamesMadison or Tulane.
I I don't too.
You're telling me that you'regonna take Tulane to play Old
Miss over Texas, right?
Over Notre Dame.
You're gonna take James Madisonto go to Oregon and take on

(24:34):
Oregon over Texas, Notre Dame.
We're all about money, right?
We're all about viewership.
Don't you want your 12 bestteams in college football to be
in there?
Because otherwise, Kyle, the APpoll, isn't it pretty
irrelevant?
Honestly, isn't it irrelevant atthe end of the day?
Because if the AP poll shows methe top 12 is this, but Tuglain
gets in and they're the 11thseed in the college football

(24:54):
playoff, but they're 20thoverall in college football.
How does that work?
Right?
How does that how does that endup happening?
The AP poll is irrelevant then.
So we should just get rid of theAP poll, right?
I mean, it's it's just likethese polls that they do are
irrelevant in my in my opinion.
If this is how you're going torank the college football
playoff, I don't know.
Is that crazy to say that?
I mean, taking the top 12 teams,I it's is it good for the sport

(25:18):
or good for the the lesserteams?
No, but at the same time, Imean, honestly, knock on wood,
that nothing crazy.
I hopefully James Madison isable to hang around.
Hopefully Tulane is able to hangaround.
But honestly, I I think bothteams are gonna get ran out of
the building against Oregon andagainst Ole Miss.
If Old Miss everybody shows upbecause you know the whole Lane

(25:38):
Keffen situation and everything,I think they're gonna get ran
out of the building.
So it's not gonna be goodfootball.
I mean, honestly, Kyle, like isthat crazy to think Kyle that
way?

SPEAKER_01 (25:47):
I mean, James Madison only got in because
Virginia lost.
Right, right.
Virginia wins, they become thefifth conference champion, and
Tulane's the only outside of thepower group conference champion
that gets in.
So I'm fine with smaller schoolsgetting the opportunity.
I think college football fansare afraid of it turning into

(26:08):
college basketball where you getupsets.
I think that makes it moreinteresting.
I don't know if there will beone year, one of the one year,
one of these small schools isgonna be a big school, and
that's gonna be a big the hardpart is just like I understand
that argument.

SPEAKER_05 (26:21):
I do.
It's just like basketball andfootball are so much different
because basketball, you know,like Duke could get like we saw
Duke lose to Lehigh, right?
And then we watched UNBC beatVirginia that year, and we've
seen middle Tennessee State beatMichigan State number two seed.
Like you see these crazy upsets,but it's because a really good
team couldn't shoot the ballthat day, and a fired up, not so

(26:43):
good mid-major team came inthere and beat him, right?
You could maybe get that infootball, but like honestly,
nine times probably ten timesout of ten, if I put James
Madison on the same field aslike Indiana, it ain't gonna be
a ball game.
Like, James Madison's a teamthey schedule for like uh, you
know, we're gonna beat you upkind of game, or like a Tulane
is like a beat you up kind ofgame.

(27:03):
And you hope that programs likethat end up finding a way to do
something productive in thecollege fall playoff.
And I I understand what you'resaying there.
It's like sometimes somethinglike that is gonna happen where
one of these teams is asurprise, gets a win.
I I'm hoping for it too.
I just I'm always in that boatwhere it's like I always just
want to see the best teams andthe best games and the best
atmospheres, and that's what Iwant to see.

(27:25):
So why not just take the top 12teams and otherwise get rid of
the AP poll because the AP pollis stupid then, because it
doesn't mean anything.
It means nothing to thelandscape if we don't have if
this is how you're gonna rankit, it means nothing at the end
of the day what the AP pollsays.
So, yeah, I'm completely withyou on the Notre Dame stuff and
everything, though, where thatthey just I understand, but to

(27:46):
take your ball and go home.
I understand why you're upset.
We get it, and I would be upsettoo.
But if you want to be like that,go take your ball, go home.
We're done with you.
Like that is that's it for theseason for Notre Dame.
So, Kyle, let's flip over, flipover to the NFL here.
Let's run through.
We got to run quick here becausegoodness, we we talked college
football for so long there.
We're running low on time here.
Let's talk about our powerrankings here for the week,

(28:07):
Kyle.
So, what do you got for me?
AFC power rankings for the week.

SPEAKER_01 (28:13):
So AFC is actually kind of the same as last week.
Chargers at five, coming off agood win uh against the Eagles.
Uh I still think that they are atop team in the AFC despite the
injuries.
I have the Bills at four.
Uh, I think the the way thatthey played uh against the
Bengals, especially in thesecond half, they look like the

(28:36):
team that we were used toseeing.
I'm keeping the Texans at three.
They they're probably the mostdangerous team lurking in the
AFC right now with that defense.
I got the Broncos at two.
They they win kind of a nailbiter against the Raiders, but I
just think they're a good teamright now.
And I still have the Patriots atnumber one, even though they

(28:57):
were on a bye.
Uh I yeah, I just kept the AFCthe same.
Nothing changed for me in thetop five.

SPEAKER_05 (29:03):
You got a 110 point differential there as the
Patriots.
You're doing something right.
That's all I know.
And the Bills, the Bills aregonna climb here.
I I'm calling the Bills to climbhere a little bit.
They look good, they looked,they looked like they turned a
corner last week.
Yeah, they looked like theyturned a corner to feeling it
again, which I don't know if youcount that scary times for the
Patriots, but this could be agood game.
Like this, this, this rivalry inthe in the east is a little bit

(29:28):
back now.
Like it makes you feel a littlebetter.
They do they face off again thisnext week?
They got another matchup here,so that's gonna be a good one.
I'm surprised that's not.
I don't know if can they flexgames yet?

SPEAKER_01 (29:39):
No, yes, yes, because Patriots Ravens got
flexed to Sunday night.

SPEAKER_05 (29:44):
Okay, okay, because I was gonna say this would the
Bills and Patriots would be onethat I would flex because that
should be a good game there.
But let's jump over NFC Kyle.
What do you got for me in theNFC for your power rankings for
this week?

SPEAKER_01 (29:55):
Little bit of shifting in the NFC.
Uh number five out of theNiners.
They they're still getting winsdespite the being beat up.
I moved the Bears up to fourdespite the loss of the Packers.
What I like from the Bears isthey seemly can run the ball now

(30:16):
with two guys.
Swift and Manongai.
I think in January that's gonnabe pivotal for them.
I had the Seahawks at three.
They blew out the Falcons.
Falcons aren't that good of ateam.
I just think one and two areslightly better.
I think the NFC is kind ofseparating between the top three
here.
I moved the Packers to two.

(30:39):
Jordan Love against the Bearsand some of the throws he made.
You get that Jordan Love.
Packers are a dangerous offense.
And you have Micah Parsonshounding opposing quarterbacks.
I think the Packers could, youknow, start to really establish
themselves down the stretchhere.
I the Rams at number one.

(31:01):
I think they may be the mostcomplete team offensively and
defensively, even thoughdefensively I still think you
can throw the ball on them alittle bit, but Stafford's
playing really well.
You know, they're getting theproduction from Puka Nakua,
Devontae Adams, like they'rethey're a tough team.
So that's how I have the NFCright now.

SPEAKER_05 (31:21):
I'm right with you.
I'm right with you.
Rams, Packers, and then yeah, II'd throw probably the Seahawks
into that spot there.
And then after that, yeah,Bears, 49ers.
That's about it.
Everything else, and like yousaid, it's starting to kind of
separate itself, as we can seein the NFC there.
100% agree with you there.
So, Kyle, we gotta hit ourpick'em real quick here.
We gotta go fast.
We gotta go fast.
We're running low on time.

(31:42):
Kyle, for this week here.
I think I went first last week.
I think I lost again, too.
So it doesn't even matter atthis point here.
I'm just I'm just terrible atthis point.
I'm sorry, I'm letting everybodydown in my pick'ems.
But Kyle, who do you got thisweek?
Who's gonna be your first pickhere in week 15?

SPEAKER_01 (31:59):
All right, first pick.
I mean, this this team is nowlooking at Phillip Rivers as a
potential quarterback in acouple of weeks.
Give me the Texans over theColts.
Uh, I just think that's an easyone for me.

SPEAKER_05 (32:10):
Texans over the Colts.
Kyle's got Texans over theColts.
I am going to take.
Oh, give me my gimme too.
Give me the Bears.
Oh, oh, I don't even know if Ilike that one.
No, hold on.
I don't know if I like that one.
Give me the Bengals to beat theRavens.
I'll take that one.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (32:28):
I can see that one.
Um so next, I will go.
Probably a game a couple ofweeks ago I would not have won
on a Monday night.
But I'm gonna take the Steelersto stop the suddenly hot
dolphins on Monday night.

SPEAKER_05 (32:50):
They had to find it eventually.
They like it's just they had tofind something out there, and
they they did.
Um give me the Seattle over theColts.
Give me Seattle over the Colts.
Okay.
One last one, Kyle.
Who do you got?

SPEAKER_01 (33:11):
Let's see.
I get right, because you saidSeattle over the Colts.
I think I said Texans over theColts.
Texans over the Cardinals was myfirst one, but either way.
Um yeah, my third one, I'm gonnatake the Bucks backs against the
wall over the Falcons.
I like that one.

SPEAKER_05 (33:29):
Give me.
Give me there's a lot.
The rest of these are pretty.
Give me the commanders to beatthe Giants.
Nah, give me the Giants.
Give me the Giants.
I'm gonna take the Giants to winthat one over the commanders
there.
Should be a terrible game.
Let's do it.
Kyle, thank you as always forstopping by tonight here.
Let the people know where tofind you out there across social
media.

SPEAKER_01 (33:50):
YouTube and Facebook, Chomping at the Bit.
You'll find the links to myother socials through that.
Oh, that's the easiest way tofind.

SPEAKER_05 (33:56):
Make sure you guys check them out.
Fantastic stuff there.
NBA, NFL, you know, MLB stuff.
When it happens, Kyle's gonna becovering it there at Chomping at
the Bit.
Thank you as always, Kyle.
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SPEAKER_02 (34:48):
Fantastic, man.
How you doing?

SPEAKER_05 (34:50):
Oh, doing fantastic.
Like I said, though, the weatherhas been crappy over these past
uh past couple days.
But hey, hey, it's winter.
That's what we're we expected.
We love, we love this.
We don't love the snow.
We hate the snow.
Anyways, but that's okay.
We know when cold weather getshere, that means basketball's
happening, NBA, college,everything like that.
So it makes it all better.
So, right away, we want to hitour Foreman's hardware.

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Who has to bring the tools to anupcoming matchup here coming up
this week?
So I'll start with you, Jake.
Who do you got for me?
Who needs to bring tools to anupcoming matchup?

SPEAKER_02 (35:21):
I have Matt LaFleur.
Uh, you have three straightdivision wins.
Uh, you're back on top of theNFC North.
You're going on the road to facethe number one seed in the AFC
right now.
A team that's on fire that's won10 straight.
You're also favored going intothat game.
You're favored by two and a halfpoints going into that game.
So Vegas believes in thisPackers team.
Let's make everybody in Americabelieve in you.
Matt LaFleur, it's time toshine, buddy.

SPEAKER_05 (35:43):
I like that one.
I like that one.
Tyler, who do we got?
Who needs to bring the tools?
John Horst.

SPEAKER_04 (35:48):
There are a group of players that the Milwaukee Bucks
will be eligible to tradestarting on Monday, December
15th.
Uh, John Horst is going to havehis hands full on the phones
starting on Monday.

SPEAKER_05 (36:01):
All right.
I like that one.
I like that one.
I'm going to go.
I always go Badgers, it seems.
I always go Badgers.
I'm going to go with NolanWinter defensively for the
Badgers coming up againstNebraska because rank mast has
been fantastic for Nebraska thisseason here.
He's averaging 18 a game.
He's been great.
We know this.
We've seen him.
He was at Bradley, I believe,when the Badgers played them way

(36:22):
back.
What was that?
That NIT tournament or whateveryou call it there.
I believe he was at Bradley forthat.
Yeah, he was.
He was there.
He was at Bradley.
So that's where the Badgersfirst saw him.
Wasn't that NAT tournament?
Now he's at Nebraska.
He's playing well for him.
It's going to be on Nolan Winterand probably an Austin Rap to
slow him down.
I just don't think Beelgauskiuswill be out there on much on the
perimeter with him.
So I think it's going to be onNolan Winter and Rap to kind of

(36:44):
control him out there.
So that's who I got is NolanWinter defensively for the
Badgers coming up againstNebraska here this week.
So we got to dive right into thebucks.
And I thought I want to startright there.
Tyler, you said something,something interesting to me
right off the bat.
Those guys on the trade blockthat you believe going on Monday
here.
Yep.
What do you think?
Who are those guys to you?
And are you like, are youpushing to trade them?

(37:07):
Are you like, I don't know aboutthat?
What do you think?

SPEAKER_04 (37:10):
So the first name that's obviously going to come
to mind for a lot of Bucks fansis going to be Bobby Portis.
And I'm sure we'll talk about alittle bit when we get into some
of the things that we're goingto discuss as far as players are
concerned.
But Bobby Portis is going to bethe first one just because his
salary is going to make thingseasier to make trades with other

(37:31):
teams, whether it's the Kings orthe Pelicans, or you know, if
the Warriors still want to getback in on him and the Bucs are
going to acquire something elsethat they use to flip that.
So Bobby Portis would be thefirst one that I would say.

SPEAKER_02 (38:00):
Jake, what do you think?
You agree with that?
I definitely agree with theBobby Portis portion of it.
He's a guy that when he's in theright situation, he's playing
right, he's a guy that canrebound.
He hasn't done that for us sofar this year.
He can hit outside shots and heplays with a lot of heart.
And that's something that someteams desperately need.
His time in Milwaukee just mightbe coming to an end.

(38:21):
His voice might be fading.
That happens sometimes.
It happens to coaches.
Why can't it happen to players?
So I think that Bobby Portis isdefinitely somebody that uh
should and could be on the move.
Uh Cole Anthony definitely,after the last couple of games
that we've seen, is somebody Icould see getting moved.
Uh he's not very expensive, andpeople always need ball
handling.
So I agree with both those guys.

SPEAKER_04 (38:42):
And the the Bucks really aren't using him.
So even if they flip him forlike a second round pick, I mean
that's that's still something.

SPEAKER_05 (38:48):
Yep.
I was gonna ask you guys that.
So do you do you believe theBucs kind of need a reset?
Because they don't, I believethey don't control their first
round pick for, I mean, isn't ituntil like 2031 or something?
Am I wrong there?
But do you believe that maybethey need to kind of reset with
some youth, kind of get youngerkind of thing?

SPEAKER_04 (39:07):
So they got significantly younger in the
offseason.
That's that's part of whatgetting rid of Brooke Lopez and
bringing in Miles Turner doesfor you.
Um, you know, alsounfortunately, letting go of
Chris Middleton helps you getyounger, letting go of Damian
Lillard helps you get younger,uh, and then bringing in, you
know, um guys like Amir Coffee,I mean, even Gary Harris is
younger than some of those guys.

(39:28):
Um, but with that, I don't thinkthat they necessarily need to
rebuild or reset, you know, likea full rebuild.
Because the thing is that theyears that other teams have the
right to swap with the Bucks,the Bucs still get a first round
pick that year.
So, you know, the Bucs can tradethose picks on draft day, they
just can't trade them beforethen.

(39:49):
But the the the attitude thatthe Bucks have no picks is just
wrong.
They just don't have control ofthose picks because other teams
have the right to swap.
Which could happen, even if theBucks say finish the middle of
the pack, they finish the 15thpick, and the Hawks have the
right to swap it, and the Hawksare gonna have the 25th pick,
the Bucks still get a pick.

(40:10):
It's not it's not that theydon't get to add a player that
year, it's just that they don'tget to have the rights to the
pick.
So it's not that they don't havepicks, like I said, but they
just don't control them.
They do, however, by gettingunder the second apron with that
Chris Middleton trade, haveaccess to trading their 2031
first-round pick.
So they have assets they couldattach to a guy like Bobby
Portis or Cole Anthony to get adeal done to bring somebody in.

(40:33):
So it's not like all hope islost here for the Bucks or
anything like that.
They have options still, andJohn Horst has shown that he can
do some unexpected things.

SPEAKER_05 (40:42):
Right, right.
That that was the big thing, Iguess, is what people, a lot of
people that I've been listeningto, talking to have been saying
is oh, they don't have a pick,they don't have a pick.
And yeah, thank you for clearingthat up.
Where they do have a pick, it'sjust they don't control that
pick.
It's gonna be swapped, it'sgonna be lost.
So yeah, okay, that that makessense there.
So, I mean, Jake, anything youwanted to add to that?

SPEAKER_02 (41:01):
So I don't think that they need a reset.
If you look at the East thisyear, it's still pretty wide
open.
Even the Pistons, who the Buckshave hung with, they actually
beat them this last week andthen they hung in there pretty
good in their last game thatthey played.
They lost by 12 points, yes.
But you know, a guy like RyanRollins was in foul trouble
early.
That hurts his efficiency.
They didn't have AJ Green, sothat's two missing pieces,

(41:22):
obviously without the big guy,right?
Without Giannis.
So if they're hanging in thereagainst the best team in the
East, as I do some air quoteshere, I think that they still
have a fighting chance when 34comes back and number 20 comes
back.
And you know, if Ryan Rollinsisn't in foul trouble, if you're
able to flip a guy like BobbyPoris, we're talking about
trades before, for another wingdefender, I think that goes a
long way.
Another thing you have to takeinto consideration is they don't

(41:43):
have Torrey Prince right now whocould be that wing defender.
So there's a lot of moving partsthat have to happen, but do I
think they need a reset or toget a lot younger?
No, I don't.
We have a young, we have twoyoung guards who have been doing
good.
Miles Turner isn't super old.
Kuzma's uh a pretty, you know,he's a middle of the age kind of
guy.
But you know, I think the Bucsare right there actually for all
the doom and gloom guys.

(42:03):
I think the Bucs are actuallypretty close to competing in the
East this year.

SPEAKER_04 (42:07):
And they're not strong financially like they
have been in previous yearseither.

SPEAKER_05 (42:11):
Right, right.
And they just gotta stayhealthy.
I mean, Giannis hasn't been onyou can't get Giannis and KPJ on
the court at the same time.
That's probably you've they'vebeen on the court, what, one
time together and they won thegame, right?
So I mean you can get them onthe court at the same time and
good things might happen.
I completely agree.
So you guys kind of mentioned itin there.
Okay, so you like the you likethe Bucks kind of sitting pat
right now, maybe moving a guylike Bobby Portis for assets,

(42:32):
maybe moving a guy like um oh,who's the other Cole Anthony for
assets there?
But Giannis is gonna be out fora couple weeks.
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think the Buckshave to do in these upcoming
weeks to try and salvage thegames that they can, keep pace a
little bit there until Gianniscomes back, and then you can

(42:53):
attack, then you can go at itthere with your star.
What do you guys think they haveto do in the coming weeks here?

SPEAKER_04 (42:59):
I would say if they can get through December
anywhere near 500, they'll bethere, they'll be in a not a
terrible spot.
I mean, if you look at theEastern Conference playoff
standings, the Bucks, yes, aretechnically in what the uh 10
seed right now.
So they're looking at theplay-in uh at 10 and 15.
But the thing is, like you lookat at what separates them, um,

(43:22):
and and looking at games back, Imean it's it's a four four and a
half games separates the Bucksfrom fourth place.
Five games separates the Bucksfrom Toronto, who are currently
in fourth place.
That could be made up inJanuary.
If the Bucks get Giannis back onNew Year's Eve and trade Bobby

(43:43):
Portis and a pick for Herb Jonesand go into January and win 10
out of 15 games that month, getover 500, that still gives you
February, March, and the firstcouple games that you have in
April to still build on that.
Like, I don't think peoplereally realize that we're only
like 30% of the way into theseason.

SPEAKER_05 (44:06):
So there's still a lot of games to be played, but
people just see Giannis out andimmediately lose their minds.
Yeah, because it's like when youlose your star, what do you do?
Right?
What do you do?
It looked like this when he wasthere, so what's it gonna look
like when he's gone?
It's just gonna get worse.
So they don't know how to reactwhen they lose a star.
So yeah, I Tyler's telling you,just simmer down, relax, right?

(44:26):
As the great Aaron Rodgers oncetold us, relax.
So, Jake, what are your thoughtson it?
How did they get through thisGiannis list basketball here in
the next couple weeks?

SPEAKER_02 (44:33):
Yeah, so I'll uh I'll repeat something that my
buddy has uh said on the show isthat there's been there was a
lot of Bucks fans that joinedthe joined the bandwagon in 2017
when Giannis won that mostimproved player, and I 100%
agree with that sentiment.
And my thought, and I was justtalking about it, is you gotta
stay within striking distance,right?
So if they get to that sixth orseven spot, you know, they stay,

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you know, top play-in spot orright outside the play-in, and
then you get 34 back and youstart going on the run later in
the year.
That's all these championshipsare won in every league now, is
just getting hot at the at theright moment, right?
So if the Bucs can sit aroundthat sixth seed, maybe get up to
the five or four seed, likeTyler was breaking down the
numbers.
I think they have a shot becausewe have the best player in the
conference.
If he stays healthy, the Buckshave a shot.

SPEAKER_05 (45:18):
Survive until he returns.
That's all you can do.
Survive until he returns, winwhen you get him.
You got Brooklyn, you got Bostoncoming up, Brooklyn, Toronto.
That's three games where there,I'm not gonna say like they're
sure things because nothing's asure thing, but those are
winnable games.
And I guess what you guys aresaying.
Those are winnable games thatyou have coming up here in the
month of December.
Survive until Giannis comesback, and then when he does,
there you go, go full fledged.

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Then hopefully everybody else,knock on wood, stays healthy.

SPEAKER_04 (45:41):
We can talk about this after uh when we get into
next week, too.
But I mean, after they playMinnesota on Sunday the 21st,
their next their next games forthe rest of the month.
These give it four out of thesefive are road games, but it's
Pacers, Grizzlies, Bulls,Hornets, Wizards.

SPEAKER_02 (45:57):
That's a road game.

SPEAKER_04 (45:58):
Those are all winnable games, even if you're
playing without Giannis.
Even if you give Giannis therest of the month off, you can
absolutely win six out of thesenext nine games.

SPEAKER_05 (46:09):
100%.
100%.
I mean, you look at yeah, Imean, you look at, I mean, you
go into January, they are allsome winnable games along that
stretch.
So I completely agree with youthere.
So let's talk a little bit moreabout Giannis.
Because as we've all known andwe've we've discussed in the
past and everything, these traderumors between what Shams

(46:30):
reports and then what Wind Horsecomes on and reports.
And then Windhorse comes out andsays, never mind what I said a
day ago wasn't really true.
It's this.
And it's like, okay, well, youdon't backtrack on the story.
Now, now you look even worse.
But that's teach your own,whatever.
What are your thoughts on what Idon't want to say what ESPN is
doing, but what those guys aredoing at the mothership there,
where they're kind of spreadingthis nonsense, spreading rumors

(46:53):
where it's not really news, it'sjust smoke.
There's no fire, it's justsmoke.
You're just you're just burningashes at this point here.
There's nothing there, it's justa rumor that Giannis wanted out,
yet Giannis has never said that.
I mean, we can start, Jake.
What what are your thoughts onwhat's been going on there?
Win or shams, spreading whateverthis is at this point.

SPEAKER_02 (47:10):
I feel like I want to go first because I know Tyler
has way more deeper thoughts onthis than I do.
First thing I'll say is uhTyler's going to read to sound
redundant when he says this, butESPN is literally the only
people that are trying to tradeGiannis.
Nobody else is reporting thatGiannis has requested a trade,
or Giannis wants out, or Gianniswants this, Giannis wants that.
Nobody else is putting words inGiannis's mouth.

(47:31):
Now, when you get to a reportthat Chris Haynes did, and he
talked about how Giannis justtalked how there's a wall in
front of him, and he wants torun through the wall and he
wants to make it work.
Yeah, that sounds like a guythat wants to be here.
I don't know about you, but Idon't usually run through walls
on purpose for no reason, right?
And then to the reports aboutpeople had speculation when
Giannis deleted stuff on hissocial media.

(47:53):
So I just heard about this todayas well.
I thought it was interesting.
Giannis said that he deletedthis stuff because he thought he
was putting too much of hispersonal life out there.
So people reading into it thathe wanted to leave the Bucks,
he's just trying to protect hisfamily and his likeness.
He's talked about this in thepast as well, where he wants to
follow the Tim Duncan playbookwhere he wants to, you know, go
away and disappear, quoteunquote, you know, after his

(48:15):
playing career.
He wants to be a buck.
So Shams coming out with thisstuff, Winhor's coming out with
this stuff.
They're just media puppets atthis point.
I'm sorry if this is gonna sounda little harsh, but that I have
a lot more harsh words I cansay.
But the way that I feel about itis ESPN is like, hey, we need a
news cycle, uh, we need to talkabout getting Giannis out of

(48:36):
here.
Uh, we need a big big market guyin New York.
We just we just forced LukaDoncic over to LA.
So we need one guy to marketover here, one guy to market
over here, and then we'll figureit out in the middle area.
I think that's garbage, in mypersonal opinion, but it is what
it is.
I'm gonna let Tyler uh breakthis down.

SPEAKER_05 (48:53):
He was so upset he had to mute his mic.
That's how upset he was.
He's like, I have to hold it in,I have to mute my mic here
before I go nuts, is what he wasdoing up there.

SPEAKER_04 (49:00):
I had to find I wanted to find the exact quotes
because I want to give the exactquotes as they are reported from
the sources and from Giannis'smouth.
Before I do that, I'm gonna jumpin on what Jake said about it
being garbage, the way that ESPNis handling it.
And here's the thing is I'marriving to this point where
we're seeing that even thoughWindhorse and Shams are saying
that you know, this is a rumor,this is a rumor, he asked for

(49:22):
this.
Oh, just kidding, no, he didn'task for this.
Um, on that point, is they don'teven have to actually get him to
the big market if they just keeptalking about him maybe going to
a big market because that'sstill getting them the clicks.
At this point, it's it's gettingto a point where it doesn't even
matter if he gets traded becauseall they do is talk about him
getting traded, anyways.

(49:44):
Right.
So the two quotes that Jake isreferring to, one of them coming
from Chris Haynes, this came outlast Thursday.
This was unfortunately the dayafter Giannis got hurt.
Um talking about how guys seethings and they want to go
around obstacles, and thenquotes Giannis saying, I want I
see a wall and I want to runthrough the wall and make things

(50:04):
work.
That doesn't at all sound like aguy who requested a trade over
the summer.
Then Mark Stein comes with areport just a couple days ago
saying that Mark Stein says theBucks are still signaling to
teams that they aren't tradingGiannis, that they're not even
listening to offers.
The quote from Mark Stein is theBucks continue to tell teams
he's not available, we don'twant your trade pitches.

(50:26):
The Bucs keep saying we don'twant to talk Giannis trades, but
the less of the rest of theleague just ignores it.
So it seems like the NBA quoteunquote front offices are
watching ESPN, but not actuallylistening to people.
They're just like, oh, Sham saidthere's rumors about Giannis
maybe wanting to leave the Bucsbecause they're struggling.

(50:48):
That's that's people justchoosing to not use their brains
and just thinking, like, oh, theBucs are struggling, I'll go
trade for the worst team's bestplayer.

SPEAKER_05 (50:55):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (50:56):
Like it's Madden, like it doesn't work that way.
It you know, you don't just goand look at the the teams that
have the worst records and belike, who's their best player?
Okay, you know, the Bucs are 10and 15.
Who's their best player?
Let's go get Giannis, AdamMilwaukee.
He's the best player on a teamwith a bad record, and just
assume that he's availablebecause the team isn't playing
great right now.

SPEAKER_05 (51:16):
100%.
I I can't even add anything.
Jake, you got anything to add tothat?
I got nothing to add to that.

SPEAKER_02 (51:22):
I don't really have anything to add to that.
That's why I wanted Tyler to golast because I knew he was gonna
put a nice little bow on it.

SPEAKER_05 (51:27):
He put the bow on it and he put the bow on the day
for us.
I gotta run here, fellas.
Let the people know where tofind you guys out there across
social media.

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