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Speaker 1 (00:02):
how we doing everybody and welcome into
wisconsin sports on the go withtrage.
I'm your host, trage, it isapril.
Goodness, it is april 2nd.
I cannot believe it is alreadyapril.
We got snow.
We still have snow.
I mean, we had snow just thislast weekend falling.
I was like what is going?
We had rain, then ice and snow.
We had it all in one day andthen we have more snow coming

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this week.
They're talking.
It's just I can't handle it.
Whatever at this point, and thenit melts and we get more, and
it melts and we get more.
It's like when can it ever end?
We didn't have snow forChristmas but we're going to
have snow in April.
So that's okay right there.
But hey, baseball's back, Idon't know Like it's.

(00:44):
It's here like we're watching,but when we really watch it I
don't know.
We're hoping that they stayeddown.
They might be still in Arizona,we don't know at this point.
So I mean, hey, we got last,gets you today.
We want to talk about that.
This Brewers, whatever we'rewatching right now, we want to
talk about that.
We Packers talk to get to BrianGutekinds out there, out there
at the owners meeting right now.
So we want to talk about thePackers a little bit here today.

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We want to talk Badgers alittle bit of bad news for some,
maybe good news for others whodidn't care, I don't know.
So we got Badgers talk abouttoday.
We got lots to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Aaron, how we doing it's Wednesday, it's April, how
we doing on this Wednesday yeah,I mean, you know me man, I kind
of live for the baseball seasonto start and an opening day to
me is like I mean you can't beatit with a stick, so I'm happy
about it.
Like you said, I mean we'lldefinitely touch on the Brewers
here at some point during theepisode, which, unfortunately,

(01:35):
is just the start they've had.
But yeah, I'm doing well and,like I said, it's just I'm so
glad baseball is back.
There's already a lot ofcontroversy, which I don't know
if it's good or bad, but I guesspeople are talking about
baseball, so I guess that's agood thing.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well, that's because they're like over March Madness
already, because it's all chalk,everybody's ticked off because
it's chalk and March Madness, Idon't know.
It's like there's a fine line.
You know some people are likewell, you want the best teams.
Yeah, you want the best teams,but I don't always want the best
teams.
I don't.
I don't want Duke.
I got to be honest with you.
I have rooted against Duke inevery single game that they've

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played.
I dislike Duke.
I don't care if Duke's there.
Everybody's like Duke's thegreatest team down there.
I don't care if they lose, Idon't care, I would get over it.
I don't need Duke to be therefor me to feel good about myself
.
Florida I'm good with them.
Auburn I like Bruce Pearl, I.
Houston, I, there's nothing Ihate about Houston.
I, I, that is not a team thatyou can dislike.
Calvin Sampson's fantastic LJCryer, I love him, uh, but Duke,
I just I'm over that.
I, I am.

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I gotta be honest with you.
It is exhausting.
It is the other night and Iknow like I'm not I.
I hate to like be this guy.
But I know Cooper Flagg's agreat player.
Like, don't get me wrong, he'sa great player.
He is, he's a great player.
He's going to be an NBA talent.
Like, don't get me wrong, Irespect the talent, but the
other night he did not win thatgame for them against Bama.

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He didn't win that game.
Con Canupo had a great game, sodid Proctor, but the headline
that I had to read.
I told my wife we're going togo to bed and I shut it off.
There was like six minutes ago,you know, officiating was going
one way and I was irritated.
Right, it probably wasn't, butit was.
You know, duke was winning.
So I was irritated already andwe're going to bed.

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I was like I guarantee you theheadline's going to read Cooper
Flagg leads Duke or in some way,shape or form, cooper Flagg and
Duke get passed.
Yep, he didn't even have thatgreat of a game.
I think he shot six for 16 onthe game.
He wasn't even leading thescore.
I think he was third or fourthon the team and he was the guy.
He was the guy apparently.
Let him pass him and havepassed him, and I was like, okay

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, after that I was like I'mexhausted.
I just get exhausted by thatcrap because you would think as
much as espn and all theseanalysts from espn and that they
, they love to just get afterone guy, one guy and it's like
but did john tonjay not playbasketball?
Because through?
I know wisconsin lost in thesecond round of the tournament.
I know badger fans are like oh,what are you talking about?
John Tonje had 52 pointsthrough the two rounds of the

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NCAA tournament.
He led all players goingthrough two rounds.
Imagine, if Wisconsin won, whathe could have done going
forward.
Right, he was hot in thattournament.
He had 52 points.
He led all scorers going intothat.
Technically, what would havebeen the Sweet 16.
Nobody's talking about that.
Nobody cared.
Wisconsin was Wisconsin.
Wisconsin was Wisconsin allseason long.

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It didn't matter.
We were all up in this.
Oh, cooper Flagg, we're all upin that.
Sometimes we even forget JaniBroome's in there.
Jani Broome's fantastic forAuburn, lj Cryer's fantastic for
Houston.
Down there, walter Clayton'sdoing magic with Florida right
now.
But yet we're like oh Duke, ohCooper Flagg.
I feel bad for Khan Kanupal andhe's on the team and it's like

(04:52):
Khan Kanupal gets, oh, he's in ashadow Because, oh well, he's
on the team.
Khan Kanupal's fantastic andthat's, I know, a little rant
there to start off the show, butI just it's driving me
absolutely bonkers this pastweek Just driving me bonkers
there.
So that's just something I hadto get off of the chest there to
start the show here.
But you know, off of MarchMadness now, off of March

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Madness.
Back over to the baseball sideof things.
You were talking about somecontroversy.
Well, we're going to get intothe Brewers a little bit later
on in the show here.
But the controversy, a lot ofit, started with the Yankees
Because of this new torpedo bat.
It's the newest thing.
It's the newest thing.
You know.
They take a little bit of woodand they move it from the label

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and they move it back to thesweet spot.
They want to give more woodwhere you're going to make
contact with the ball.
Essentially what it is and therule for a bat.
So I want to know what the rulewas.
Right, I had to see what therule was for a bat, so I was
checking it out.
The bat shall be a smooth,round stick not more than 2.61
inches in diameter at thethickest part and not more than

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42 inches in length.
The bat shall be one piece ofsolid wood.
Everything that I've heard andthis sucks, because I really
wanted it to be illegal Likethat was my goal, it's this
whole thing, everything thatI've heard that this bat is
legal and from what I'veactually heard, you know I was
like 2.61 inches.
You know I was like, oh, mostbats must be that they must be

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close to that diameter.
No, like they're not.
They're not usually close tothat diameter.
The yankees bat, the new one,the torpedo bat, not the yankees
bat, it's actually, you know,around baseball now the twins
have some.
We saw the oreos we were talkingabout here before the show.
The oreos are dabbling in thema little bit.
There's a couple different.
I think the guy from the rayshad it.
He was using it there.
So I mean, there's people usingthese bats.

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It's not just the yankees andit's not all the yankees.
That's the thing is everybody'slike, oh, the yankees are using
this new bat, so they hit ninehome runs in that game against
the brewers and it's like, no,only two guys, jess chisholm and
volpe, are the only ones fromthe yankees using this bat.
Aaron judge has not swung thisbat yet.
He uses his regular stick, andjust I mean it's tank, so it's
like you know what?

(07:04):
what am I supposed to?
You know, it's not.
What does he do if he gets thathis hands on that bat?
I watch out, right, becausethat ball is just gonna fly
there.
But I mean, there's nothingillegal about this bat, it's a
legal bat.
So I mean, aaron, I mean, whatare your thoughts?
It's, it's an odd, it's an oddthing, it's an odd bat.
And I, what are your thoughtson what's been going?

(07:25):
I mean, this is the hot topicright now in baseball it?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
no, it absolutely is.
And to get off on like the, thebaseball season, like you said,
like on a quote-unquotecontroversy is, it's interesting
, right, because baseball's beenplagued with controversies over
the years.
You know, you talk about theblack socks, you talk about the
steroid air, like you name it,like baseball's been through
strikes, you know everythingunder the sun.

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But I mean, like you said,unfortunately I mean I'm a huge
Yankee hater.
To be honest with you About theonly thing I can tolerate is
Judge and their broadcast crewis like top notch in my opinion.
But outside of that I just it'shard to tolerate them.
But I mean I don't want to saytip my cap, but like they, this
guy right that developed thisbat or engineered like, helped

(08:11):
engineer this bat, I meanthey're doing something that's
working for them.
Especially, I've heard it a lotI think, honestly, this bat was
probably designed by Volpe orfor Volpe to begin with, just
because that guy got jammed likeevery other at bat Guy was
getting jammed on inside pitches, popping the ball straight up.
So now, with this torpedo style, you're getting almost like a

(08:36):
larger sweet spot, if you will,or just more opportunity to hit
the ball on a part of the bat.
That's not per se, like youknow, going to pop you up, like
it gives you a chance to kind oflaunch the ball more with this
design.
I mean, I, I, if it's legal,it's legal right, like you said,
there's a guy on the twinsdabbling in it, like I, like you
also said, you know, I thinkthe Orioles were using it in

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spring training I'm not sure ifthey have yet on in the regular
season, but I mean anybody canuse it then.
That's the thing.
It's not.
It's not like.
This is a.
If this was patented by theyankees or something, I would
have a huge problem with thatwhere it's like they have a
massive advantage over the, overthe brewers, over the red socks
, over whoever, um, but like youknow, if, if this is what

(09:18):
baseball is going to and it's inthe legal parameters, I don't
see a huge problem with it and Ithink baseball probably loves
it if it does result in morehome runs, because it's going to
drive more eyeballs to thesport and, like we've seen, not
to say like you said, judge, youknow, hasn't used it, but like
we've seen, a I just I look overbaseball, you know, as a whole,

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and I'm like man, the ball isjust.
I don't know if it's becauseit's kind of warmer right now in
a lot of these places than itnormally is this time of year.
It feels like, but man, itfeels like the ball is flying
out of just every ballpark.
It's just so I don't have aproblem with it, it's just I it
looks strange and and like Ihope other teams can capitalize
on it, like the Yankees you,like the Yankees have with,

(10:03):
because I mean, chisholm can hithome runs and Volpe hits some
home runs, but it seems likeit's just, I don't know, it's in
excess right now.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I would agree, and I did see I think Cody Bellinger
has swung the bat, paulGoldschmidt, austin Wells.
So some of the Yankees alsousing that torpedo bat in spring
training, et cetera there.
But I was looking.
I just saw another thing aboutit.
They said it was in an articleby MLBcom.
They said Giancarlo Stantonattributed his elbow injuries to

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bad adjustments made during the2024 season, but declined to
offer further specifics on that.
Jason Dominguez, an outfielderfor the Yankees, said that
Stanton was one of the playersusing the bats.
So using one of the torpedobats so interesting.
So, stanton, I was cause.
That's what my big thing was.
It's like everything has a flawright.

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I'm like I want to know what,and I was asking all over
Twitter and nobody could give mea stinking answer on it.
But I was like I want to knowwhat's the flaw right?
What's the flaw of this bat?
What's the flaw right?
What's the flaw of this bat?
There's gotta be something thatI'm missing, because you can't
just nothing's perfect.
There's gotta be a flaw to thisbat.
Now I hear that Stanton hadsome elbow injuries.
He like he you know struggledwith in 2024 was attributed to

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bat adjustments.
Did that have to do withtorpedo bat.
Will we see guys who areswinging a different style of
bat, who aren't used to thatstyle of bat?
You know switching it up likethat.
Will we see guys who areswinging a different style of
bat, who aren't used to thatstyle of bat?
You know switching it up likethat.
Will we see guys like that, youknow, get injured?
I, I don't know, maybe it'sjust a freak thing with you know
, john carlos stan.
He seems to get hurt in everywhich way.
I don't pray for injury foranybody, but it seems like john
carlos stan's always hurt.

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So like I don't know if that'sthe big thing, but I mean, I
don't know it's.
It's definitely an interestingthing.
I don't hate it and, like Isaid, reese Hoskins I think I
said, but either way, if Ididn't, reese Hoskins did order
a bat too, so Reese Hoskins hasgot one on the way to him.
So it's like the Brewers aregetting them now.
It's not the Yankees didn'tbeat the Brewers because they're

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using torpedo bats.
If you believe that the Yankeesbeat the Brewers because
they're using torpedo bats, thenyou don't.
I don't know what to say.
Like it's not, they're usingillegal bats to beat you.
Now, if you want to.
I think Aaron Judge should beROID tested Like if you want to
test him for anything.
Eric Thames I got to tell youthis, I don't care, maybe he's
not using ROIDs, I pray was justsuspended there for the Braves.

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I don't want to see guys getsuspended, but Eric Thames went
on that tear in 2017, 2018 thereagainst the Reds, where he just
hit home run night after nightafter night and he got drug
tested.
I mean, after every game.
They were going for steroidtests after every single game.

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Where's Aaron Judges?
Like, honestly, sometimes it'sjust like test these other guys.
I don't understand.
You get a guy like eric thameswhere he just comes in and he
starts just raking andeverybody's like, oh well, it's
just well, how is he doing itright?
But then you have a guy likeeric judge.
It's like, oh well, that's just, that's normal, that's normal.
Let's just let this guy go.
Sometimes, like I've said before, with otani and and some other

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stuff, the MLB kind of like hush, hush, look away.
Where these other guys, likePro Far there with the Braves,
it's like he ain't nothing.
He ain't nothing Like Pro Farain't going to ruin the game if
he's out, so like, whatever,we'll check him.
But why would we go check AaronJudge or Otani?
I'm not saying that any ofthese guys do it.
I just think that the MLB, nba,nfl, all those big corporations

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, they look in one direction.
They don't look at the rest ofthem.
They don't look at the rest ofthem, they don't look at LeBron,
but they'll go look at thislow-name guy because he ain't
nothing.
So it's like I don't know,maybe just drug test, maybe just
drug test.
Aaron Judge, I don't know.
That's the Hurt Brewer fan.
That's a Hurt Brewer fan rightthere.

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But hey we got more to get totonight here.
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We're going to get to one ofthem on the back side of this
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So we went into the break wetalked about torpedo bats.
We're all up in torpedo batsand why we think that duke is
exhausting.
Because if you think duke's notexhausting, well, go to go, go
away.
Done with you, done with youthere, done with you.
But I want to talk about whatthe heck is happening in college
basketball, because we kind oftouched on it.
Right, we're talking aboutMarch Madness and you know

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everything like that.
But the Badgers had I don't knowif you're going to call this
troubling news, right, we'regoing to call it troubling news,
kind of troubling news DanielFreetag, the former four-star
point guard coming intoWisconsin, the highest-ranked
point guard that Greg Gard hashad in his recruiting time there
in Madison.
He's hit the transfer portaland it kind of I don't know, it

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kind of came as a shock.
I'm going to be honest with youbecause you know when, you know
you looked at it with ChuckyHepburn when he was going to be
there.
You, you're like Free Tag's notgoing to start at point guard
because Chucky's going to bethere.
Then Chucky decides, hey, I'mgoing to transfer out.
Okay, that opens up the doorfor a little bit more of that,
daniel Free Tag.
But then it's like, okay, I lookat the veterans in the room

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John Blackwell, kamari McGee,max Klesman, jack Janicki really
stepped into his own.
You had John Tonje come in andjust light the world on fire,
right?
Nobody knew what John Tonje wasgoing to be until he stepped on
the floor in Madison.
So you looked at all those guysand you're like, okay, where
was Daniel Freetag going to play?
Because he had a lot ofveterans in front of him.
He just kept sliding down thedepth chart, sliding down the
depth chart to the point wherehe really wasn't going to play.

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So, according to and I looked ata report, this was this was the
report from Michael McClearyover there on Twitter as a quote
from from Daniel Freetag afterthe NCAA tournament and he said
he wanted to come back ifWisconsin wanted him back.
That was interesting becauseit's like okay, so from the
sounds of it, after the BYU game, we're looking at it like, all

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right, he wants to come back.
But then he had a meeting withgreg guard when he got back and
now we've come to the conclusionof daniel free tag is currently
leaving wisconsin did guardlike and this is my question now
, so this is gonna be myquestion is not really, it's an
open-ended question, I guessbecause nobody has the answer
right, maybe guard didn'tbelieve that he would have a

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huge role?
Right, because he Because he'slike you know, from what we saw,
what we understood he wasn'tready.
He wasn't ready to go.
He was a four-star recruit whohad a ton of upside, but he
wasn't ready to play at thecollege level.
So Greg Gard wasn't even goingto throw him out there.
Right?
Greg Gard learned underneath BoRyan.
He coached with Bo Ryan.
Bo Ryan didn't throw a freshmanout there.
Greg Gard learned underneath BoRyan.
He coached with Bo Ryan.

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Bo Ryan didn't throw a freshmanout there.
Greg Gard has been a littlemore prone to throw a freshman
out there, but he's not going tothrow a guy out there if he's
not ready.
Greg Gard did not believe thathe I don't think that he
believed that he was ready.
So my question then would bedid Greg Gard believe that he
was even ready to go next year?
I don't think he had aguarantee.
I think that was the thing.

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I think you know.
He didn't guarantee himanything going into last season,
but I don't think there was aguarantee even moving forward
now.
And I think that's where theykind of hit this little
crossroad with each other.
It was like you know, daniel,and this is how you imagine it.
It's like you know, daniel, youhave a lot of talent, you have
a lot of upside, but I don'tknow what you are yet.
I don't know if you'vedeveloped enough Now with enough

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work in the offseason, thisnext offseason here, leading
into the fall, leading into thenext season here, maybe, right,
maybe, but I'm not guaranteeinganything.
Well, daniel Freetag's sittingthere and he's like well, why
would I stay If you're notguaranteeing me anything?
If I could just get buried onthe depth chart again, why would

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I stay for that?
So you want to hate on the guy,and it is a kind of weird one,
because Daniel Freitag was kindof different, right, he was kind
of.
I still remember the meme thatDaniel Freitag posted up on
Twitter there where he's likethe doctors told me not to post
anything where I was on drugs orsomething like that.
But he's like you know, guard,I miss you.
Like Greg guard, I miss you.
And like he was a big, like heloved Wisconsin.
He loved Greg guard, he lovedeverything about it.
But then I look at his you know, going away, whatever you would

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call it, what you would call it, his going away speech, or his
text out to the public orwhatever you want to call it
there, I don't know what thatyou'd call it your.
That's farewell, basically yourfarewell speech to Wisconsin
fans there.
And he didn't thank the coachesand Jack Chenecky.

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I thought that was weird.
I thought that was extremelyweird.
He thanked every other guardexcept for Jack Chenecky.
I just had it, so I have it uphere.
He said a special thank you tothe guards who took me under
their wing cameron hunter, johnblackwell, john tonjay, max
klezman, kamari mcgee but notjack.

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Jack chenicki he was a guardtoo, like he was there.
I know he's young yet, but hewas there and it's like no thank
you to Jag, to Nicky, but therewas no thank you.
There was a thank you to thefans, there was a thank you to,
you know, the players, like Isaid, his teammates.
But no Greg Gard, no JoeKravinoff, no Kirk Penny,

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nothing.
I think they irritated him.
They got to him.
I think he was one of thoseguys who believed that he should
play and he wasn't and he gotupset and he's gone.
So that's kind of the.
The sad reality now of collegebasketball is that if you the

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thing and this is the greatestquote that I ever heard from Tom
Izzo and I don't I love TomIzzo and I hate Tom Izzo at the
same time.
It's a love-hate relationshipbetween me and Tom Izzo.
I respect him but at the sametime he irritates the crap out
of me Mostly because he's youknow, he's a good coach, right,
he's a good coach Coach isagainst Wisconsin.
That's why, you know, irritatesme.
But Tom Izzo said anymore,because when they fail they can

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just leave.
They don't have to experiencefailure anymore, they can just
walk out the door.
They don't have to experiencedeveloping.
All these guys, wisconsin guysFrank Kaminsky, sam Deckard I
know Deckard played a little bitearly, but Ben Brust and Josh
Gosser and all these Wisconsingreats over the years they took
their time to get starting, toget time to play, to work their
way up.
They built through the years.

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Now it's like and I know it'sdifferent, it's a different
landscape now in collegebasketball.
The transfer portal is crazy,but now it's like your guys
don't have to learn how to fail.
Daniel Freetag doesn't have tofail and I know he just posted
his practice highlight.
He's such a doorknob this is.
This is how much he'sirritating.
Now.
He just put his freshman yearpractice highlights on twitter

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like that's, that's what he didnow.
So basically I think that waslike one of them, like knife
stab kind of things, where he'slike here's my highlight tip
because I didn't play, likethat's basically what he's
trying to show there.
Um, so I was just like that'sjust stupid.
But I mean that's, it's the,it's the hard.
I don't know if you call it thehard reality of college
basketball now, but it's I don'tlike it.
I honestly don't like itbecause it's like your, your

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guys don't learn how to fail.
They don't get kids collegeplayers.
I know they're not kids anymore.
I get that.
I know they're not kids anymore.
I get that.
Whatever you want to call them,but they don't learn how to
fail and that's life.
Life is failure.
Like you, look at Rick Pitino,like listening to him talk to
the St John's guys and I don'thave the whole quote up right
now for when he was jacking themup in that locker room, I mean
just, but I don't know ifanybody's heard that speech

(22:37):
there, but like that was thegreatest speech I've ever heard
a coach give.
He got me fired up sittingthere watching him on TikTok.
I was like this dude can coachand I loved it.
I was like I hope that GregGard can go in the locker room
and jack these guys up, justlike Rick Pitino can.
I probably can't, but thatspeech was awesome and it said

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you guys have to learn how tofail.
Failure is life, dude, you guys.
And basically you know thequote goes on and whatever.
But that's where I'm at withthis whole thing is that these
guys don't fail anymore.
They just leave.
They just oh, we lost.
Oh, I'll see you later, right?
That's the same reason why Ican't remember Miami's coach.
Um, uh, what the heck?
Uh, miami's men's basketballcoach, oh, larenaga, larenaga,

(23:21):
that's his name there.
I think something like that.
Laranega, I think it issomething like that, his old,
their old coach down there.
Shoot, yes, laranega, I thinkit is.
But either way, aaron's goingto find it for me.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yep, Jim Laranega.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yes, that's exactly why he left.
Because he said in his speechwhen he was leaving he said
after we went to the Final Four,I had eight guys tell me
they're leaving.
Eight guys, we just went to thefinal four, how much further do
you like we didn't make it tothe national championship?
I'm sorry, but we just went tothe final four and I have eight

(23:54):
guys tell me, yeah, coach, we'reout.
So you lost, so you're done.
Like you don't want to come backand try to run this baby back,
like I don't know what it takesanymore, like if I, if I'm like
a badger player from this seasonhere we lose the BYU by two on
the last second shot, I'm ticked, I want to go back, I want to

(24:15):
go back to Madison, I want tostart it back up with the boys
and I want to go hit it.
You know, I just I don'tunderstand it anymore.
I don't.
I don't understand the mindsetI get money Sure, I get the
money aspect is there and that'sthe thing that ruins most of it
, right, but at the same time, Idon't know, there's got to be a
pride aspect, right, likeCarter Gilmore for the Badgers,

(24:37):
he was a walk-on and hecontinued to be a walk-on
because he's like this is whereI want to be.
I could go do this, I could godo that, but I want to continue
to be a walk-on.
He stayed as a walk-on.
He's like I just want to playfor the Badgers.
Those guys don't come aroundanymore.
Chucky Hepburn said oh, I wantto be a Badger for life.
Then he left for Louisville.

(24:57):
That's what John Blackwell Iwant to believe.
John Blackwell ain't goinganywhere because he said he
wants to stay a badger.
He wants to be the greatestbadger, one of the greatest
badgers to ever do it, and Ilove that.
I love that.
He said that.
I don't believe him, not today.
I'll believe it when I see it,when he's on the court next
season.
I'll believe it.
And I'm not calling him a liar.

(25:19):
I don't want to call anybody aliar, but that to call anybody a
liar, but that's collegebasketball.
Now it's so hard to like sithere and say this guy is for
sure going to be back on thecourt and that's the crappy part
, right?
So and that's kind of where Iwanted to transition with this,
because the transfer portalopened on march.
I believe what I tell you march24th there, aaron yes,

(25:39):
something I'll give you, aconcrete.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I think you're right, though march 24 sounds right.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I swear it was like March 24th or something March
24th.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yes, yes, yes, march 24th, there you go.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
That's ridiculous.
March Madness is stillhappening and I love this.
Everybody hates the NIT andeverybody hates they have this
crown basketball tournament nowI was watching it the other
night there, nebraska andArizona State there basketball
tournament Now I'm watching.
I was watching the other nightthere, nebraska and Arizona
state, there, um, but everybodyhates these tournaments because,
oh, they're not the NCAAtournament.
I love those tournaments.
Those are a bunch of dudes whowant to play.

(26:13):
If you play in the NITtournament, if you play in the
CBI tournament, you play in thecrown bag, whatever you call it,
the crown basketball tournament, whatever they call it.
Now, if you play in those, youjust want to play ball.
I love those guys.
Those are the guys who justwant to play ball.
They don't care, they'reseniors, they're just guys who
just want to play a little bitmore basketball before it's all

(26:35):
done.
I love those guys.
So if you want to sit here andsay, oh, it's just a crappy
basketball tournament, you don'tknow basketball, shut up,
that's terrible.
I love watching those, becauseI watched that game the other
night between Nebraska andArizona State.
You would have thought it was aregular season game for a title
, because those dudes were justgoing at it.

(26:56):
They were ticked and they wouldget ticked with a foul.
It wasn't like they were jokingaround and laughing and
everything.
It didn't mean anything.
They played like it meantsomething and I love that.
But why is the transfer portalopening up when all this is
happening, when all this isgoing on?
Because the early window is, Ibelieve it ends April 22nd, so
it's like March 24th to April22nd.

(27:19):
There, I believe, is the window.
So you have this window thatopens up and you want to get in
there early because you don'twant to get forgotten about.
So these players have to get inearly.
So you have all these guysjumping in.
You have these coaches who aredown.
Like John Cale Perry said, he'sgot to prepare for a game, he's
got to ask his guys if theywant to stay or not, or if
they're going to end up leaving,and then he's got to go recruit
the transfer All in one day.

(27:40):
That's wild.
The transfer portal needs to befixed.
It needs to be fixed.
We're going to talk a little bitmore of this.
After the break here.
We're going to come back.
We're going to talk a littlebit more about this.
We got a little bit more BadgerTalk to get to.
And then we want to jump to thePackers here a little bit today
because we got lots to get to.
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(28:04):
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So we went into into the breakand I went on my little tangent
about the transfer portal andeverything else and not being

(28:48):
able to trust players anymore.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
And it's the truth.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
It is the truth and nobody can deny it at this point
here.
It's just the hardcore truth ofcollege hoops.
And that brings you to thepoint of what's the point of
high school recruiting, right?
Because that's a big question.
I've been hearing it's likewhat the heck's the point of it?

(29:11):
Why am I recruiting a highschool kid like daniel free tag
to come sit in madison?
And then he gets there and it'slike, oh well, I picked up
these guys in the transferportal and daniel free tag isn't
as good as those guys.
So why would I start danielfree tag?
So I'm gonna sit him on mybench, I want to develop him.
Well, he doesn't want to sitthere and maybe he thinks that
I'm better than that.
And these coaches spied on mebecause they told me that, well,
you can come here and playright.
And well, I didn't play, so I'mgoing to get upset.

(29:31):
So I'm going to leave.
What the heck's the point of it, right?
I think there still is a point,right?
I think there still is a pointbecause, at the end of the day,
I still think you're going toget your filler guys.
Your stars are going to show up.
They're going to play.
Your stars are going to playyour Jacks, your Nickys, your

(29:52):
guys like that.
Grappie.
Hopefully he develops intosomething next year there.
Keizer, who's coming in for theBadgers there?
Hopefully, I think right awayhe could probably be, and I want
to talk about that.
I think next week we're goingto talk a little bit more about
you know what I think theBadgers need to do with the
transfer portal and that kind ofthing.
But, um Keiser, I look at himand I'm like this guy could come
in and step in and be a scorerright away for Wisconsin.

(30:13):
Is he going to be a hugecontributor?
Maybe not, but I think he'd bea scorer for him there.
But you still need guys to getstars right anymore that are
going to sit.
You're not going to have starsthat want to sit right and I
think a big thing.
And I I was listening to oh, Ican't remember, um, I think it
was.
Was it mckinney's?

(30:34):
I think it might have beenmckinney's coach?
There was talking, I believe,and he was talking about you
know, or, yeah, I think it was.
Mckinney's was talking thereand he's talking about you know.
Um, it was a mid-major coach.
Let's go with that.
It was a mid-major coach.
I can't remember off the top ofmy head, I don't want to quote
the wrong guy there, but it wasmid-major coach and he said you
know, the thing with it is nowmid-major teams can get a lot of

(30:55):
the better recruits, becausethe better recruits don't want
to go sit at Duke and not play.
They don't want to go sit atthese places and not play.
They want to play.
So they go to a team likeMcAnee's, they go to a team like
Norfolk State or wherever.
They sit there for a year, theyplay basketball, they show
their talents and then, becauseof the transfer portal, now they

(31:16):
can just leave that, they canjust jump in.
So now mid-major teams areturning into like that breeding
ground right, where they kind ofbuild you up.
They get these guys going andthey get their feet wet in
college, they develop them alittle bit, they get them used
to college ball and then theyship them off to the big leagues
right.
Then they ship them off to yourArkansas's or your Kentucky's
or your North Carolina's orDuke's or whoever.
That's how it's going to go andI could see that being the way

(31:40):
right, because Wisconsin, Ithink they're going to answer a
lot of you.
I don't think you can answerwith recruiting anymore.
Right, you're going to guyslike I know I'm going to say his
name again Cooper flag.
You can get guys like Cooperflagging, guys like kind, kind
of all.
Right, you can get freshmen whoare instant impact guys, but
nowadays, what would you ratherhave?
I mean, it's an honest question, aaron, what would you rather

(32:02):
have?
A five-year guy, right, you canget a guy like John Tonje right
, you don't know what he is yet,but you can get a guy like John
Tonje.
I've been there, done that, doit.
Or you can get a freshman whois a good recruit.
He's a four-star, like DanielFreetag, but he's not fully
developed, he's not ready, buthe's there.
Who are you going to take,right?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, I'm taking the proven commodity right Like,
yeah, it's pretty.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
I mean pretty straightforward these days.
So it's like the transferportals where you got to build
your team.
You're not for March.
You're not building a teamthrough recruiting anymore.
Look at Kentucky, look at Duke,look at all these teams.
They're going after transfers,they're not just going after the
freshmen anymore.
Kentucky used to be likefreshman central.

(32:48):
It used to be one through 10was freshmen.
I remember that year Wisconsinplayed Kentucky and they had a
blue and a white team and it was.
They would rotate five guys ata time and they had 10 guys in.
The most of them were freshmenand it was like that's nuts,
that's crazy.
They have that many goodfreshmen on one basketball team,

(33:08):
but that's not the case anymore.
You don't have that and I aminterested to see how many of
these young guys, the youngrecruits right, the four stars
and below probably end up goingto mid-major schools building
themselves up.
Maybe not mid-major schoolsbuilding themselves up, maybe
not mid-major, but mid-major,maybe lower-end high-level

(33:28):
schools, maybe some lower-endBig East teams or some of the
big, I don't know some of theselesser conferences.
I guess they go into thoselesser teams, ball out there for
a little while and then gettheir time at the big leagues.
It's going to be interesting tosee how that landscape works.
I think high school recruitingis still needed, but I don't
think it's as important anymoreand I think it's kind of going

(33:50):
to go away.
I think it is.
It's the importance of it for abasketball team excuse me there
for a basketball team is goingto kind of go away, and I think
that's kind of what we're seeingright now.
So we got to.
I mean, I forgot to mentiongoodness gracious, we're going
to get out of the badgers here,but I forgot to mention we're on
for two hours now.
So, just so you guys know,don't, don't shut us off at the
top of the hour.
We're coming back at the top ofthe hour.

(34:11):
So I just want to make surethat everybody out there knows
that, like, don't think we're onfor an hour tonight here, we're
on for two hours now.
So just make sure you'resticking around there, but we
we're on for two hours.
So we had to come up with somenew segments.
We're like you got to have moresegments, you got to have more
fun during the show, right?
We got our Melio Minute.
That'll be coming up here atthe top of the hour.
Getting towards the top of thehour, we got the Melio Minute
Dad Joke of the Day after thetop of the hour.

(34:32):
But we got a new segment hereBest and Worst of the Week.
So our Best and of my worstworst of the week yankees versus
brewers.
I think that has got to be justabout every wisconsin possible.
I mean you could probably sayif you went back to last week
you'd probably say wisconsinversus byu, like that'd probably
be a uh, a worst of the week,but I'm gonna have to go with

(34:56):
yankees brewers as my worst ofthe week.
I was so excited, I was like ohmy like the badgers lost, I got
brewer like I wouldn't havecared as much about.
Like the Badgers lost, I gotBrewer.
Like I wouldn't have cared asmuch about baseball if the
Badgers were still playing.
I said that point blank.
I was like I wouldn't care asmuch.
But the Badgers are done.
So I'm like I'm done with it.
Now with basketball, I'm on tobaseball and then I watched the

(35:16):
start of this Brewer's Yankeeseries and I'm like why did John
Tonje have to miss that shot?
Why did he have to miss it?
I could still be watching Magicbasketball right now here.
15 home runs for the Yankees,26 runs scored and 34 hits yeah,
yeah, that's about as worse ofthe week as it could possibly

(35:37):
get.
I had the Bucs in general too.
I put the Bucs in general justbecause the Bucs they are.
Dame went out and I know he gotthat blood clot in the leg, a
deep vein thrombosis and thatsucked.
Like I want nothing but DamianLillard to be healthy and, you
know, not just for basketball'ssake, but Damian Lillard is a

(35:57):
person.
I want him to be good and Iwant him to, you know, because
that could be that's scary, likethere's a lot of bad things
that can happen from that.
So I want that to go away and Ihope that he can end up playing
basketball again, because Iknow that's something that you
know he loves to do.
Right, it's his job, so heloves to do it.
But the Bucs just they lookdefeated Like they look like
Giannis is still going out thereand doing it, but everybody

(36:20):
else looks like a deer inheadlights and they just look
like they're beat.
Like that game against theHawks last night or I think
those couple nights go there.
I mean I watched that game.
They look like they were justdefeated that whole game and I
mean you lost the Hawks, youlost the game to the Knicks
before that, you lost theNuggets before that and you lost
the Suns before that.
I mean you are on this littlestreak now where it's like it

(36:42):
ain't getting easier.
It's definitely not gettingeasier.
In the last I was just lookingat this 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, you
have 9, 9, 10, 9 losses in thelast 13 games.
That's not great.
Not great right now for theBucs.
They're luckily still hanging onto a playoff spot at the moment

(37:05):
they're still I mean, they werein the thick of things already
so they're still probably mostlikely as long as they win at
least two more games here goingto make the playoffs.
But I mean, at this point it'slike do I want to make the
playoffs?
Do I want to see this Bucs teamin a playoff?
It's depressing.
This is depressing basketballhere.
Feel bad for Giannis becausehe's going out there trying to
do it all and it's not there.

(37:26):
It's not there.
I look at the lineup, I look atwhat they got and it's like
this is a disaster.

(37:46):
So Bucs in general right noware my worst or one of my best.
So I'll go to my two best hereand then I'll flip it over to
Aaron for his best and worst ofthe week there.
One of my best I got SalFroelich.
I got Sal Froelich as one of mybest of the week there.
The guy's batting 429.
He's batting 429.
He's got.
I mean he's been unreal.
He had a good series againstthe Yankees there.
He was batting 500 when he leftNew York and then they came and
they played the Royals here.
I mean Sal Frelick's beenfantastic for the Brewers.
So I love what Sal Frelick'sbeen doing and Jake Bauer's
pitching.
Jake Bauer's pitching Like Iwas looking through all the

(38:06):
pitches.
I told Aaron I was like thereare three pitchers on the entire
Brewers roster right now whohaven't given up a run from the
other day there when I waslooking, and it was Jake Bauer's
, brian Hudson and Trevor McGill.
Those were the three Brewerspitchers I have given a run and
that was the other day when Iwas looking there and it was, I
mean, jake Bowers.
Two games pitched and twoinnings.

(38:26):
He has given up two hits.
I mean, in a season wherethey're sucking so far, that was
a bright spot.
I guess that was a bright spot.
So Jake Bowers, my best of theweek there, through that Yankees
series, at least there, becausehe was pitching well, I guess
he was pitching well.
So those are my best and worstthere of the week.
Aaron.
What do we got best and worstof the week?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Absolutely, and we'll start positive.
We'll go Chicago White Sox, ofall teams, right as we recorded
this, you know four games played, two and two, you know, going
forward, they might not winanother game.
Like, excuse me, they might notwin another series for a couple
months.
I, I seriously, yeah, Iwouldn't be surprised if they go

(39:09):
.
You know, two months, threemonths, like if you go back to
last season, oh, my goodness,and like you know, I saw they
had a decent crowd for opening,opening night at least, or
opening day per se.
But um, yeah, those, I, yeah,that organization is just in
free fall.
Basically it's like Oakland oflast year as far as it's like a

(39:30):
triple-A team playing at themajor league level.
It's going to be a rough season.
So you know, white Sox fans, atleast through the first couple
games you've had something tocheer about and you've won some
games.
I mean it could be worse.
And then for the for the, youknow, basically the bad Raphael
Devers man, I mean oh, for 19,with like 15 or 16 strikeouts on

(39:54):
the on the season, not the, notthe, the start he wanted.
I mean the guy hit 272 lastseason, so not to say he can't
climb out of this.
He's a great hitter on a goodteam.
I don't know, maybe the wholeBregman bringing him in because
he was pretty upset about thatand, like you know, he's not

(40:14):
playing third base LikeBregman's playing third.
He's de-aging from what I'veseen so far.
So I mean, maybe if Kylelistens to this he'll kind of
give us his thoughts on theDevers thing, with him being
such a Red Sox guy.
But yeah, it's odd you see aguy you know as accomplished as
Devers start out that poorly andhe'll probably figure it out.

(40:35):
But I mean, to climb out of 0for 19 is tough.
To get back to 250, that'sgoing to be a mountain and he
can do it.
It's just wow.
0 for 19 is not great.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
It's a mental game.
It's a mental game and, likeyou said there I think we say it
like it's a joke Like was itBregman coming in that kind of
ruined it for him?
It could have been Like he'sall upset about bregman taking
his spot.
Now he's not playing the field,he can only do this.
Maybe he didn't like that andit's getting to him.
It's getting to his psyche andyou know he's a good hitter,

(41:08):
he's a darn good.
Maybe he's just got to facegarrett cole.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, he's got to wait a whole season.
He might that right.
He's not gonna hit.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
He's not gonna get hit at all this year now that's
just how it's gonna be he's notgoing to get hit at all this
year.
Now, that's just how it's goingto be.
He's not going to get a hit atall this season.
Goodness, oh man.
So, hey, I mean, wow, best andworst of the week.
I mean, does it get any worsethan the Yankees-Brewers series?
I got to be honest with you.
I mean I feel better when I waslike, oh well, that makes me
feel a little bit better.
The Braves are kind of sticking, and the last time the Brewers

(41:43):
had an 0-3 start or 0-4 start Ican't remember the stat
completely off the top of myhead it was like 0-3 or 0-4.
It was in 2011.
And they ended up going to theNLCS.
I want the NL Central.
I mean there's a correlationsomewhere in between there.
Hey, on the backside of this, Iwant to talk about bucks for a
second.
And then we got Packers, we gotall kinds of stuff to get to.
So we'll be right back here onWisconsin sports on the go.

(42:04):
Welcome back into Wisconsinsports on the go with trades.
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(43:10):
top of the hour.
We got to get to the Melo YellMinute.
We almost missed it, right, wealmost missed the Melo Yell
Minute.
We miss that.
So, hey, like I always telleveryone, like I always tell you
, if you're sitting at home,maybe you're in the car,
wherever you are maybe you'relistening to us through your
airpods or whatever you gotthese days and you got your
favorite beverage by you.
Make sure you crack that babywith me right now.

(43:30):
Right, we always crack ourfavorite beverage with with us.
I always got a mellow yellow.
Whatever you got, hopefullyit's fantastic with you.
We got our mellow.
So, aaron, I'm going to give himthe question and he's got a
minute and he's got to guess theanswer, right.
So I got my top three cheesesright.
So my favorite cheeses, trage'sfavorite cheese, the top three

(43:51):
on the list, aaron, what do wegot?
Top three, no particular order.
You don't have to get themright.
One, two, three.
But what do you got for myfavorite top three cheeses?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, we'll throw something at the wall and see
what sticks.
Right, let's go Pepper Jack,right off the bat.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Got it, pepper Jack.
There it is there.
It is number 10 on my list.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
That's what I go to at Subway too.
You got it, you got it it justmakes it Quick.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Chef's got this new pretzel bun pepper jack
hamburger.
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Oh my goodness, how about cheddar?
How about just good old cheddar?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Number one.
We'll put number one.
You can't go wrong with cheddar.
There's so many different kindsof cheddar.
You can't go wrong with it.
We got it.
Number one spot.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
See, getting the first two out of the way.
But then this number three iswhere I'm kind of scraping the
bottom here.
Uh, man, man, man, man, man.
Um, pro provolone is nothingspecial, I don't think it's
provolone.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Provolone is not special.
That's uh, that's a too fancyof a cheese to just be a
delicacy.
Uh, it's not fancy.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I'm not a fancy cheese guy right and, like I
know, cheese girds are a type oflike it's an assortment of any
type of cheese.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Cheese girds are number one.
If we had to go, type of cheesegirds are number one, that's
out there.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
What about Colby cheese?
Colby cheese.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Colby cheese is tied.
It's tied for third.
I got mozzarella, I got Colby.
They're tied for third.
They're tied for third.
I got mozzarella, I got Colby.
They're tied for third.
They're tied for third.
In there, no goat cheese.
That stuff's disgusting.
That stuff is absolutelydisgusting.
Blue cheese it's like when yougo and they're like you want
ranch or blue cheese with yourwings there and I'm like why you
ask me for blue cheese?
Take that somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I'll take the ranch, I'll take the bottle, bring it
over, turn it sideways, turn itturn it side.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
I'm done with this.
Done with this here.
So we went into the break andwe were talking about I wanted
to talk about the bucks for aminute.
I just want to talk about thebucks for a minute, because I I
this season for the bucks it'slike the most uninterested I've
been in the box and you guysknow me, I'm not a huge nba guy.
I'll watch it, I'm not.
I like college basketball, mycollege basketball, my favorite

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thing in the world.
But nba is like I'll watch it,but it's not my forte, it's not
my number one, right?
But it was looking at the statthe other day.
The bucks are.
The bucks are going toexperience their worst season
since 2017, 2018.
This year.
Wins per win, wise, right, andyou, I know 2020, 2021, it was a
shortened season.

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They had 46 wins.
We're going to call that that'sshortened season regularly.
If you actually put it as an82-game season, I saw they
factored it in as like a 52-winseason there.
So it is going to be theirworst season since 2017-2018.
You look back at that team.
I was looking back at theroster a little bit there.
You had guys like Eric Bledsoeon that team.
You had, I mean Jennings was onthat team Chris Middleton,

(46:45):
young Chris Middleton, youngerGiannis, right, I mean you had
some young guys on that rosterfor the Bucs there and I mean
Tony Snell I saw, I think he wason that roster there too.
I mean, I'm looking back andit's like that was not a good
team, right.
And when I look at this teamhere, you got Giannis right,
dame's banged up.
You can't keep anybody healthyon this roster.

(47:05):
Brooke Lopez, I mean he's your.
I couldn't, I would never, Iwould have never thought I would
say Brooke Lopez has been likethe, the common, like been in
there the whole time guy.
I would not have said it, butBrooke Lopez has been pretty,
pretty darn consistent for thisMilwaukee Bucks team where he's
going to be out there prettymuch night in and night out, and
if he's not, something seriousis going on with Brooke, because

(47:27):
I mean, he's that kind of guyand you like guys like that.
But it's like, at the same time, I'd love to keep Giannis on
the floor, I'd love to keep aguy like Dame on the floor.
And so far because I'm lookingat it here, I was looking at the
stats here 73 games BrookeLopez has played in 73 games.
Brooke Lopez has played.
That's majority, that'sbasically every single one of

(47:49):
them.
Giannis 61 games.
Dame has played in 58.
Kyle Kuzma recent addition.
So that doesn't really countthere.
Bobby Portis has played 46.
We know about the suspension,so you're going to get him back
at some point there.
Andre Jackson Jr this is wheremy confusion is is why Pat
Cunnington is now ahead of AndreJackson Jr in this depth chart
thing, the depth chart with DocRivers.
And this is where I'm done withDoc Rivers.

(48:09):
I don't know why we keep, is it?
Oh, giannis is telling us this.
Like Boone Holzer took us tothe finals, boone Holzer took us
to the finals.
Boone Holzer was not theproblem.
We sit here and we're likeBoone Holzer was the problem.
I love Giannis, I do.
I love Giannis.
Great guy, love listening tohim talk.

(48:31):
He's a great family man,everything like that.
You want to emulate thepersonality and that of Giannis
onto yourself when you watch himat times.
But I think Giannis has a lotto do with what's part of the
problem too with Milwaukee,because when you and this is the
problem with professionalsports you give stars power, you

(48:53):
give those stars power.
You got to, because otherwisethey're like well, you're not
going to give me power here,I'll go get power somewhere else
, right?
They're power hungry.
They want to have control overtheir team.
They're the star, they want tohave control.
Okay, so we trade away DrewHoliday.
How has that worked?
I got to be honest with you.
I've said it since thebeginning that was not a good
trade, damian.
I like Dame, I do Like I tohear and tell you, like that was

(49:17):
.
You know, damian Lillard's theworst thing that's ever happened
to Milwaukee, but DamianLillard's not.
He what he didn't take you overthe top, he didn't.
And Chris Middleton, I'm sorrybut you waited too long with
trading him.
What was that trade supposed todo?
Now?
Kyle Kuzma, that's what you did.
Kyle Kuzma was supposed to fixthis.
No, and now look what you did.
You don't have Middleton andyou don't have Dame.

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You lost both of them.
Now I just, I sit here and Iwatch this Bucs team.
I try, I try to tune in Like I,like I said, I'm not a huge NBA
guy, but I'll watch it.
If I'm intrigued, if it's aninteresting you know, like, if
the Bucs are playing well, I'llwatch.
I, I I barely can flip on theTV for him.
Right now I'd rather watch theBrewers and that stinks, like

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the Brewers stink and it's likewhat am I supposed to watch
right now?
That's why it's soheartbreaking that the Badgers
lost.
It's like I was like I'm goingto get over it with the Brewers.
I'm not, I'm not.
I wish the Badgers were stillplaying because they gave me
some good basketball.
I just I'm.
Doc uses his depth, the way herotates players, the way that
this team is and the way theylook defeated night in and night

(50:22):
out on the court.
Right now Giannis looks likehe's the only guy playing.
I mean Brooke plays right, butoutside of that, I mean his team
looks defeated.
They just look like they don'tcare, they look like it's over.
So I mean, if anybody out thereis like what's your thoughts on
the playoffs?
Like where is this team goingto be going into the playoffs,
first round exit.

(50:42):
I got to be honest with you,unless if even getting Dame back
, I mean you get Dame back.
Has he actually been like okay,he can't practice right now.
So when he comes back, he's onno practice.
So you almost have a weekbefore he can get back in the
game or ready to go for a game.
Right, you can't just throw himto the wolves.
Bobby portis has been out for awhile.
He can get back to practicehere, but bobby portis coming

(51:05):
back there too, he's gonna beout.
He's been out for a while.
So you have two guys whereyou're like, yeah, when they
come back they're gonna berested, ready to go.
But, dame, I mean, you'resitting here thinking, dame, I,
I don't know right, because thatthose signs are good, but that
can go different directions.
A blood clot in the leg, thatcan go different directions and
you hope for the best, butyou're not rushing it either.
And Dame's not rushing it.

(51:26):
He doesn't care, those guysdon't care and I wouldn't care,
right, I want to be healthy andthis is a dangerous thing for
Dame.
It's not like it's just alittle twisted ankle, it's not
like it's a knee, it's.
It's a dangerous situation forhim.
Something that shut down VictorWambayama for an entire season.
He's done.
He's done for the year with hisand his shoulder.
Dan's trying to come back.

(51:47):
They said there's good thingscoming out of camp and
everything like that towards thesituation.
But I'm sitting here right nowand I'm like I, I, I don't think
.
I don't think we're going tosee.
I don't know if we're going tosee Daniel again this year and
if we don't, I know Giannis isgoing to give it his all to try
and take this Bucs team and getthem over the hump, get them

(52:10):
into the playoffs, and well,they're going to make the
playoffs.
But then after that, what theheck is going to happen?
Right, because they're on theverge of being in the play-in
tournament now.
And if you end up in the play-intournament which I don't want
to say that they're going to endup there, right, I hope that
they can spit off a couple winshere, end up in a good spot
there in a six or a five seed,whatever, right, I'm hoping they
can get to that point and maybeget Dame back, get Bobby back,

(52:32):
get a little healthier, headinginto the playoffs.
That'd be great.
But I just don't know.
I just don't know.
And then, when you get there,like I said, you're banking on
guys who have been out for alittle bit to come back and
carry you.
It works sometimes, but it's Idon't know.
I'm not going to put my faithin it, right, I'm not going to

(52:53):
put my faith in it.
And you know what Everybody'stalking.
Well, I can't remember who itwas.
If it was, I can't remember whothe heck was talking about it
there.
I think it was on Bill Michaelsshow.
Maybe I heard him talking aboutit there.
Whoever he talks about the Bucsthere, I can't remember what
that cause his name is off thetop of my head now but he's
talking about defense, right,and he's talking about this Bucs

(53:15):
team needs to play welldefensively If they're going to.
We're recording this on Tuesday,as you guys know.
We're pre-recorded a little bitthere.
But as we're recording this,they're beating up on the Suns
by 10 right now on the 4th.
Hopefully they can hang on tothat one.
They hold them at 89 points.
But you look, outside of that,the Hawks put up 145, the Knicks
put up 116, the Nuggets put up127.
Defensively it's not going well.
So that's the one thing youneeded to help you get some wins

(53:38):
here.
If you can't control teamsdefensively, I don't know if
offensively they got enough.
So right now I'm nervous as abucks fan to see what's going to
happen here moving forward forthe milwaukee bucks.
We'll see.
I mean we'll see.
Hopefully dame can come back.
Hopefully, you know, bobbycomes back ready to go.
It's going to be interestingthere, but hey, we got lots more
to get to tonight.
That's all I got for bucks time.
Hell minute, it's like holycrap.

(53:58):
I rattled off the whole top ofthe hour.
Here we got at the top of thehour.
Here we're going to havePackers talk, because the NFL
owners' meetings was yesterday.
We got a whole bunch of rulechanges.
We got all kinds of stuff totalk about.
So we'll be back on the topside of this break.
Here We'll get to the Packers.

(54:18):
Welcome back to the top of thehour.
Here we are.
Here we are, and we are herewith our dad joke of the day.
So, aaron, here's my dad jokeof the day.
All right, I think I'm ready.
Here we go.
Here we go.
I gave my handyman a to-do listbut he only did jobs.

(54:40):
One, three and five.
Turns out he only does odd jobs.
Funny, funny, funny one there,funny one there internet.
At the break.
I had to get a new pen.
I had to get a new pen overhere.
Did you know?
It writes packers it writesother words too, but I wrote
pack.
There's another dad joke,another two for one today.
All over the place, all over theplace there.

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about it here on the show.
So we had one one question comein.
This came in from the red shedthere via twitter, always great
friend of the show.
So we had one one question comein.
This came in from the red shedthere via twitter, always great
friend of the show.
Over there he's telling us thatwe got to be down at the draft.
He's telling us get over to thedraft there in green bay.
He's like you gotta be there.
I'm like I'll try, I'll seewhat the wife says.
I'll see what the wife says,I'll try.
And it's like maybe, possibly,hopefully, I don't know, we'll

(56:56):
see how it's gonna be's going tobe crazy.
I think the draft is going tobe crazy in Green Bay.
You know it's Green Bay, it'snot like LA or anything like
that, so parking is going to becrazy.
I think it's going to be madtown, but it'd be something to
see.
It'd be definitely something tosee.
Maybe we can get some passes,maybe we can get some passes I

(57:23):
got.
Maybe they're listening,they're like you don't get
passes, I don't know.
I don't know there.
But there was a question, aquestion for the show here.
He said lots of talk aboutdrafting edge rushers or
cornerbacks early in this year'sdraft Under Joel Berry.
The narrative was Green Bay wasoverinvested in the defensive
side.
So many first rounders, so muchtalent right, the big thing was
all the time.
Why don't we get weapons forAaron Rodgers?
Much talent, right, the bigthing was all the time.
Why don't we get weapons foraaron rogers?
It was always.
Why don't we get weapons?
Why don't we get weapons?

(57:43):
Oh, you know, every year nowit's most of those guys are
still here.
Why is the narrative changed?
Heck, they added the two bestdefenders last season and edgar
and cooper and xavier mckinney.
So there comes this questionthere is why is that narrative
changed?
You know, since, since jeffhalfley took over?
Why are we changed to the factnow where it's like we don't
really care anymore about theoffensive side of the ball?

(58:04):
We're like we need to draftdefense.
Right, we need to draft defense.
I think a big I don't know likethere's two crowds for me.
There's a crowd of people whoare like the Packers need to get
a wide receiver, they need toget a weapon out there in the
wide receiver room.
They need to find this guybecause they need to have
weapons on the opposite side ofthe football.
And I agree with that right,because we talked about it in

(58:27):
you know kind of our draft talk,our free agent talk.
I said I said point blank, Isaid you need a guy who demands
the defense's respect, who whenthey look at the field they see
him.
Right, you've got to have thatguy where you know corners,
whatever they kind of shade tohis side of the field.
Because they're like that'sthat dominant guy, that's that
long ball threat, right, that'sthat guy we have to watch out

(58:47):
for.
The Packers didn't have thatguy last year, so I thought that
was kind of a thing where thePackers needed to address.
But then you look at the flipside of it and you're like, okay
, the pass rush was not good.
Now the question is if thenarrative has changed now.
Did people believe that thepass rush was better underneath

(59:09):
of Joel Berry than it isunderneath of Jeff Halfley.
Did they have better?
Guys Like you're talkingZedaria Smith, you're talking
some, you know Preston Smithlike average dudes, like, did
they think that the pass rushwas better than the quarterback?
You know the secondary, didthey think the secondary was
better underneath the Joel Berry?
Or has it been kind of themedia's input?

(59:30):
Because I notice a lot of timespeople like to jump on, they
like to jump on wagons, right,you know, if one person on the
radio and I know new york mediais a big thing for that too one
person in new york media says,wow, eric judge is doing this
wrong, how many people you thinkyou're gonna see out on the
street who are gonna tell you,if you start talking about the

(59:51):
yankees and they listen tosports talk radio, they're gonna
tell you that same thing thathe just said.
Right, he's gonna that sameperspective he just gave them.
They're gonna be like, I'mgonna be smartest guy in the
room, I'm gonna go say what youknow, whatever, whoever said
this, I'm gonna go say what hesaid to them and they're gonna
be like oh, wow, you know whatyou're talking about, right,
because I heard, because I heardhim say that earlier.
So it's like oh, now you knowhe's talking like him.

(01:00:13):
Oh, my goodness, like this guyknows what he's talking about
sometimes.
That has a lot to do with ittoo.
Media perception right Back thenit was well, aaron Rodgers is
the dog.
They don't really need a gooddefense.
They can score a lot.
Right Nowadays.
It's like when I watched theEagles last year the Packers
need more pass rush, plain andsimple.
Like I watched the Eagles andI'm like Saquon Barkley was

(01:00:35):
fantastic, jalen Hurts was, eh,it was good.
I don't want to say like I hatehating on Jalen Hurts, because I
don't hate the guy.
Like he's a solid dude, rightSolid dude, like holy crap, like
he can squat my house and thensome.
But like he's not PatrickMahomes, he's not this guy who's
going to like take you over.

(01:00:56):
You know he's not going to winthe game for you most of the
time, most of the time it'sgoing to be a collective effort,
and Jalen Hurts is there too,and that's just the way I see it
.
I think Jalen Hurts is a greatquarterback.
Is he a top five quarterback?
I don't know, it depends.
Like winning wise, yeah, likehe's a winner.
He's a winner Like that dudewins games and I am all for that

(01:01:18):
.
I want a quarterback that winsgames, right.
But if I was, if I was in theend of a game and I was like I
need this quarterback to driveme down the field and win it, I
don't know if Jalen hurts, isthat guy Like I don't know?
If I want stats, I don't knowif Jalen hurts, is my guy.
If I want touchdowns, I don'tknow.
If he's my guy.
He's a collective effort guy.
Is he going to contribute on agame-winning drive to take him

(01:01:39):
down the field?
Yeah, like he, he can do it.
I'm not saying he can't do it,but my belief is I guess, when I
look at it, is the Eagles didnot win the Super Bowl because
of the offense, completely right, or the defense completely.
I think it was a collectiveeffort both ways, and I think
that's kind of where thenarratives changed in Green Bay
now is it's well, the pass rushstinks, the secondary it got

(01:02:04):
worse.
So now it's exposed because thepass rush stinks, so the
secondary looks even worse andthe offense had a drop problem
with wide receivers.
So now you're trying to answerall these questions because you
had just about everything thatcould possibly go wrong with
this team go wrong last year atsome point, and now fans are
trying to answer every singlequestion in this offseason.

(01:02:26):
I think there will be piecesthat are already there that are
going to fit the fold.
I just don't think it's goingto fix.
You're not going to fixeverything internally.
I think you have to add pieces,right.
I don't think that you're goingto have the receiving core just
figure it out and you're goinggoing to have the pass rush.
That room is just going to say,oh crap, year three, let's go
get them right.
No, I don't see that happening.
The secondary I don't see theyouth just all of a sudden boom

(01:02:47):
taking off, like not everythingis going to happen that way.
So I think you have to add.
I just think that there's this.
The narrative I think haschanged because there's
different perspective in on itnow and I think everybody is
looking at different areas and Ithink it's a split group
narrative.
Now, aaron, I mean, what areyou thinking?
Well, I mean the narrativeyou've definitely heard like

(01:03:09):
over the years, the Packers wentfrom well, we didn't get enough
for Aaron Rogers, right, wedidn't get enough help for Aaron
Rogers to now.
It's well, jordan Love's gotenough help.
We need to get this guy a passrush.
We need to get this guy a passrush.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
We need to get this on our defense.
What I mean, where are you atwith this Packers team right now
?
What are you thinking Is my?
My thing is like is the offensegood enough?
Like it's not one of those likeCincinnati Bengals situations
where, like they're putting up40 a game and they're giving up
40 a game, like I don't thinkthe offense is as prolific as
what the bangles can give you,but their defense isn't as bad
as what the bangles.
So you're kind of like in thatmiddle ground, like the offense

(01:03:44):
isn't bad.
Um, I was, would I say.
The offense is like elite.
No, um, would I say the defensehas holes.
Yes, I, I think, like you said.
I mean I remember growing up.
You know, like the, the bjrajis, the clay matthews, like
green bay had a stout defense,like not saying forever, but
they had a.
They had a window where it waslike, okay, they're, they're a

(01:04:05):
pretty darn good defense.
You know, like they're, they'reup there with the stealer, when
the stealers had a good defenseup there with the ravens, like
they were at least talked about.
Now, like when's the last timeyou heard somebody talk about
the, the packers defense?
I, I just, it just doesn'thappen, you know.
So not to say they're horrible,but they're just like.
They are very easily just likepeople forget about it.

(01:04:27):
It's just they're anafterthought, which isn't great.
So I think they do need toaddress the defense.
I mean, you know we kind ofclamored all off season long to
go get Jordan Love like a purenumber one.
I still think they should havedone that.
Now can they find that in thedraft?
You know, if you hit on a draftpick, yeah, but um, defensively

(01:04:48):
, like we talked about it too,like max you know max crosby is
out there now.
You weren't going to give himthe money that the raiders just
literally handed him you know,basically the franchise with the
amount of money they gave him.
But, um, you know, if you couldhave got, there was a guy out of
tennessee, I forget his name,he still might be out there.
But um, just somebody like youknow, bona fide, like
established uh, defensivepressure, you know, like an edge
rusher, um, so I still think,like you said, I think they

(01:05:11):
still need those type of thingsif they want to compete like at
a, an eagles level.
I mean, the nfc is kind of opennow, um, I, I would try to to
stack up now before, like theNiners figure it out again or
like Detroit's kind of aquestion mark.
So there is that window, it'sjust you have, you have to add,
like there's the way they arenow, I, I just don't think they

(01:05:32):
can, unless, you know, theEagles get injured, or or, like
the Packers go on like a run,which can happen.
I just where where they're now.
I think they need work.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Yes, you need that guy on the defensive front.
Who's going to take?
He's going to be a game wrecker, but I think when you have that
guy like a Miles Garrett or aMax Crosby or a Nick Bosa when
he was like rolling Joey Bosa,not so much Nick TJ Watt, joey
TJ Watt, those kinds of guys youhave a guy like that.

(01:06:02):
He demands a presence and thenother guys are able to, you know
, step up and be a guy.
Right, rashawn Gary I thinkpart of his problem is Rashawn
Gary.
I think he's still good.
I just think he doesn't havehelp.
And when you don't have help,when nobody else can win a one
on one they can't get off theirblock Then you're looking at a
guy like Rashawn Gary.
You can double him all day long.
You can double them all daylong, and twice on Sunday.

(01:06:23):
I mean, that's just how itworks.
And if you don't have to worryabout anybody else, who cares,
right, when the Packers have tosend the house just to get
pressure, your secondary isgoing to be exposed, and then I
don't care who you got backthere.
There is nobody in the NFLanymore.
Is no Revis Island?
There is no guys like thatanymore.
That's, that's gone.
That's the past, right.

(01:06:43):
No guy in the second no corneryou're gonna get now is going to
constantly win one-on-ones,like Revis did.
It's a different kind offootball now.
You need guys who are just goingto be able to defend for, like
the Eagles I mean, look at them.
It's like maybe eight, maybe,maybe eight seconds, maybe nine
seconds at max before those guysare getting home and even
before that they're gettingpressure.

(01:07:03):
The packers, they got pressuresat times, but not the pressure
I, I.
I see a fine line of pressureand I talked about this once
before in the show.
There's a fine line of pressure.
There's pressure just making aquarterback step up.
And then there's the pressurethat the eagles put on patch
mahomes in super bowl whererunning for his life.
There's.
There's the pressure where yougot to move out of the pocket

(01:07:24):
every single time that you dropback and it's just.
It's that kind of game, that'spressure.
That is pressure to me.
The Packers don't deliver thatconsistently and I think that's
that's where they need toaddress and I think that's where
they've failed so far here inthe offseason to address that
glaring problem.
And we're going to keep comingback to it and it doesn't matter
how many you know?
We say it.
Bill michaels will say it onhis show there, dan gasper will

(01:07:46):
say it over in eau claire.
They're going to talk about itall day long like, hey, the
packers need to address thisproblem.
I I don't know why they haven't,and from what, we're going to
talk about what brian gutekensand matt lafleur had to say a
little bit.
They have a lot of faith inwhat they have, and I love that.
Guys have faith in the dudesthat they drafted.
I love that.
But at what points do you justhave to give up on that guy,

(01:08:07):
right?
So let's get into that.
We're going to get into that atthe next break here.
We're going to go to break.
We're going to come back.
I want to talk about Packers.
We got Brian Gutekind spoke tothe media, matt LaFleur we here.
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or wherever you're tuning intonight maybe you're tuning on
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hopefully you are having agreat night.
Wherever you are too.
I know the Shed said he wastraveling to Italy, so you know
I don't know, maybe he's havingsome wine for us here while
listening to the show.
So tonight here, we got anothersegment here.
What's grinding Trage's gears?

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Because there's always.
You know, you guys heard meyelling about Cooper Flagg and
Duke earlier on tonight there,so you know something's always
grinding my gears.
So what's grinding my gears?
So what's grinding my gears asof late here, aaron, I gotta be
honest with you.
The number one thing that grindsmy gears every single day is
that I go into okay, let's justsay like I walk into a subway or
McDonald's or um chips right, Ilove chips here in, uh, central

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Wisconsin chips.
So down there on the South sideof Marshfield and I go in there
and I'm like I'm going to trysomething different.
I always tell myself that I'mgoing to try something different
.
Go to Subway, go to Chip'sthere I get the champ burger
every time at Chip's.
And I go to Subway and I'm likeI am going to go crazy with
this Sub.

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I'm going to go absolutely wildand get something crazy this
time Chicken, bacon ranch.
Every time, every time, withoutfail.
I walk in there.
I'm like, looking at the menu,I'm like, and then they ask you
like what do you want?
And I'm like, oh shoot, chickenbacon ranch, like it's just
like second nature.
I'm like I'm looking at this andI tell you something else.
So that is what's grinding mygears.

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I go into fast food restaurantsand I never could order
anything but the same thingevery time, because it's like
it's instilled in my head thatwhen I go to McDonald's I have
to get two cheeseburgers and 10piece chicken McNugget.
That's it.
That's what I get every singletime.
I can't order anything else.
I get the same stinking thing.
It drives me nuts.
Somebody, when they go get mefast food, get me something
weird, so that way I can justget over this hump, because

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right now it's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
For next week's show.
I think you have to report backhere.
It doesn't matter where you goSubway McDonald's chips, like
you said, arby's.
I don't know if you got it, youprobably have Arby's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
We got Arby's, we got Arby's, but the same thing.
I get the one-pound beef andcheddar.
Every single time it's like Iknow they'll fail.
No, don't fail.
I look at the menu and I'm likewhoa, that looks crazy this
time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
You owe it to the radio.
If you're not doing it foryourself, you owe it to the
radio listeners.
You got to try somethingdifferent.
I'm going to get somethingweird and you got to tell us how
it is.
It won't be as good, though Ican always tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
My gut is just going to hurt after what I'm going to
get, but I'm going agree withthis.
One should have stuck with thetwo cheeseburgers.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Now you got this and body don't agree so now you got
it out of the way, there you goso that's grinding my gears
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
That's grinding my gears right now also that girl
scout cookies are not available365 days out of the year.
That drives me nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
That drives me nuts what's your, what's your go-to
there?

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
I, I want to go locally down to my festival and
just buy cookies all the time.
And I know that one time you godown there and they con you
into it.
They do because they put thisyou know this little kid out
there and it's like they put thecutest kid out there and
they're just like they want youto like buy the cookies.
So that's what they do.
They put this little kid outthere and they're like hey, do

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you want to buy some cookies?
And you're like stay strong,stay strong, stay strong.
And you're like walking past,like tense, like you're just
clenching, you're sweating,you're just like I need those
cookies.
And then you end up buying thecookies and you don't.
You forget what you went to thegrocery store for.
You get home, your wife yellsat you because you didn't get
the right things, because youhave a load of cookies and you
got like one thing of mayonnaiseand you forgot that you weren't
even supposed to go getmayonnaise.
So I mean that's a whole mess.
It's a whole nother mess ofthings.

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But I'm telling you right nowthat I just want Girl Scout
cookies 365 days out of the yearand I don't know who would
complain about that.
But if you are going tocomplain about that, I'm going
to complain about you.
So what's?

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
your favorite there?
What's your favorite Girl Scoutcookie?

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
What's those coconut?
The coconut with the chocolatedrizzle on them.
Oh, my goodness gracious, Icould sit.
My problem is I could sit downand I crack them things open and
it's just like, oh, I got tounbutton my pants Like I just
got to, just unbutton the pants,sit down, kick the feet up, and
then it's just box after boxafter box, Like if you don't
take it away from me, I'm goingto ruin my dinner, like that's,

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that's how I'm going to do it.
Right there, I don't mean somany cookies that I want to put
myself into a nap, but likethat's just how it goes every
single time I'm like I got towalk away from you because I
can't.
I just can't even look at youright now.
Oh, man so yeah, those, those,those coconut ones.
Oh goodness gracious, I didn'tknow they were coconut.
At first.
I didn't really like coconutuntil I had those cookies.
Yes, this is like oh mygoodness, oh, oh man.

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So that's a.
That's enough about cookies.
That's no more cookies for thenight, even though now I'm like,
oh my God, I wish I had somegirl scout cookies.
This is what we do to ourselves, right?

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
This is what we do to ourselves just have cookies 365
days out of the year and makethem a little bit cheaper so I
can stock them up even better.
Sponsor the show.
Sponsor the show.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Make it happen, sponsor us, sponsor us, we will.
We will vouch for you.
We will raise so much money youwon't even know what to do with
all that money.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
You won't even know what to do with it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
You'll be like what do we do with it?
And I'll be like I don't know,buy more cookies.
Like I don't, I don't know whatto do, like that's where we're
at.
That's where we're at right now.
So right now the Packersthey're not buying cookies, but
they're talking to the mediadown at the NFL owners meetings
right now.
We heard from a little bit fromBrian Gutekinds.

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That was two days ago and weheard from Matt LaFleur
yesterday there.
So I want to get to a littlebit of what we heard from those
two and I mean basically fromgoody, what we saw.
Elton jenkins, he's going tomove to center.
We know that already.
So that was going to be thetalk.
It's like, what are they goingto do?
They got, you know, banks camein and he also talked about

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banks there a little bit.
His athleticism separates his,him as a left guard there, so
he's, you know, gave huge propsto what they got with aaron
banks there.
But there was a big questionwhat were they going to do at
center, right, where they'regoing to?
Who are they going to slideover?
We thought it was going to beelton jenkins, but we were still
like, ah, you know, what arethey going to do?
Who knows yet.
Well, we got our answer.
Brian goodekin says as rightnow elton jenkins is going to

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play center, aaron Banks isgoing to be at that guard spot
there.
So you love to see that.
The Packers had their eyes onNate Hobbs for a while.
You know it looks like.
More specifically it wasPackers director of pro
personnel, richmond Williams.
I mean he loved Hobbs.
He loved Hobbs there in hisfourth season in Las Vegas,
played a lot of nickelcornerback for the Raiders.

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But the Packers feel like withhis size and his speed he can
play in the perimeter too alittle bit.
So they're interested in havinghim.
His versatility is what reallystuck out to Brian Goodikens
there.
He loves his versatility andcan't wait to see Nate Hobbs.
They've had it their eye.
Like I said, they've had theireye on him for a very long time.
So I love to see that there.
Mikel Hard Hardman he talkedabout him a little bit there,

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definitely in the conversationto return kickoffs and punts.
I know I believe he was a puntreturner.
He has more experience in thepunt return game but he can be a
kick returner.
He's just been more of a puntreturner for him there.
I got to be honest with you, Ididn't see it really any other
way.
I don't know why.
That was a question.
I really thought that the bigreason why they brought in

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Hardman was for kick returns andwas for punt returns.
I thought that was a big reasonbecause Keyshawn Nixon said he
didn't really want to do it, andJaden Reed I mean I don't want
to get Jaden Reed hurt returningpunts.
So if I can get a guy who canjust do it for me, who's a
little more experienced and doesit well, I'm good with that.
And right now I mean we'regoing to talk about it in a
minute.
But the nfl had a rule changeabout the kickoffs to, you know,

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push it out to the 35 yard linefor touchbacks.
So I believe there's gonna be alot more kick returns this
season too.
So we're gonna see a lot moreopportunities.
I'd love to see hardman backthere with his skill set, be
able to return some kicks.
So we'll see what happens there.
Uh, brandy mcmanus was essentialfor green bay to get back.
We talked about that.
We said you got to have thekicking game figured out,
because if you don't have thatfigured out, you have nothing
figured out a kicker is actuallytheir top priority and they're

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very few and far between findinga good one.
We know that that's what we sawwith the Packers.
They got Brandon McManus backthere.
Um, jordan Morgan, he's goingto continue to work at guard and
tackle.
So they're working on JordanMorgan with his versatility
Young fell there, got hurt lastseason.
They're going to work with himwith that versatility a little
bit there.
Green bay I mean they talkedabout their urgency a little bit
there and brian gutekens wentinto that.

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He talked about you knoweverybody's talking about the
packers.
You know brian gutekens saidurgency and they're kind of
confused on what that means.
You know they went out and gottwo guys nate hobbs, aaron base.
What did that mean by urgencyand not really going after the
wide receivers?
They thought going after this.
And you know he basically saidlike it's not just going after
new guys, it's about the guys inthe room too, and he made that

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comment about urgency.
It's about the guys in the room, it's about him.
It's about matt lafleur, it'sabout, you know, the defense.
It's about the players that arealready there.
It's not as much about we haveto go get all these guys.
That's the urgency part.
It's about guys in the roomstepping up and filling those
roles.
So that was part of his urgencycomment that I saw there.
Um, outside of that, he justkind of, you know, talked about

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uh, packers aren't counting outchristian watson.
You know he still believes thatchristian watson is going to
have an impact at some pointthere in this next season, just
a matter of when.
And then he kind of talkedabout, you know, with or without
the draft, the packers feelthey have the pass rushers.
They need to take a stepforward in 2025.
So he talked about the passrush like I talked about before
there.
He believes that they have someguys in the room right now.

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They are still going toprobably look out elsewhere,
right, but he believes that theyhave the guys in the room.
He also spoke on Jair Alexandera little bit.
There, and I mean Jair at thispoint here.
He's just like, if we, if he'shere, he's here, we're in the
works with them right now and ifthey're gonna make a trade,
they'd love for the trade tohappen before the uh nfl draft.

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But that's a perfect world,this isn't a perfect world, so
we'll see what kind of happensthere.
We'll see.
Maybe he gets traded during thedraft, right?
Maybe maybe they get a phonecall in the first round if
somebody says we'll trade youthis pick and Jair Alexander for
this guy and it's like, okay,let's, let's do that deal.
So we'll wait and see what kindof happens there with Jair, but
definitely still on the tablefor him to be traded there.
So that's kind of what BrianGutekunst had to say.

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Uh, matt LaFleur he kind of justechoed the same thing with Nate
Hobbs, talking about hisversatility loves his
versatility, what they're goingto be able to do with him On the
defensive side of the ball.
There they're trying to findgreat usage for Tucker Kraft.
When Tuck gets the ball,usually good things happen.
Lefleur said he's a powerfuldude.
He runs extremely hard.
I love how he finishes.

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One thing I think he's got tolearn, just in terms of when he
does finish, is he doesn't tryto take somebody's head off
every time.
He gets a little out of controlat times.
I think that's a balance, butthe mentality is exactly what
you want.
So he's talking about TuckerKraft there and his you know
best attribute going into thisnext season his aggression, and
that's what also makes him alittle susceptible to injury.

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So he's got to find that happymedium in this next season here
to keep himself available, keephimself out of harm's way but
also get things done in thefield.
So he's kind of looking atTucker Kraft there.
Also, he talked about thePackers and their drops last
year and he said we had a ton ofdrops and that's an area that
we have to clean up.
A lot of things happen, there'sa lot of variables, but I think
we've got a pretty good plangoing into next season.

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That is what I want to seefixed, because if you fix the
drop problem for the Green BayPackers, you might look back at
that number one wide receiverneed and say, well, we maybe
could still use one, but youclean up the drop problem.
That cleans up three-quartersof the problem.
That's a big fix If they canfind a way.

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Like Matt LaFleur is saying, Ilove that.
They finished tied for thirdmost drops 33 last season.
You take away the drops fromlast year and it's a whole
different ball club we'retalking about.
It's a whole different teamwe're talking about there and a
whole different, probably awhole different ending to the
season that we're talking aboutfor green bay packers.
That could be the differencebetween a couple wins and
avoiding philadelphia.

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So that's a big, a bigdifference.
So we'll kind of we'll wait andsee what kind of happens there
with this Packers team.
Hopefully they take that stepforward, like he said.
Talked about Jordan Love.
He said he doesn't expect anylingering issues with that knee.
That's good news.
That's great news there withJordan Love, because if Jordan
Love does not have mobility, ifhe doesn't have the ability to
escape the pocket, get out andrun a little bit takes away from

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like half of his game.
So you split literally whatJordan Love is in half.
Not good.
So love to hear that out ofMatt LaFleur.
There, uh, the Packers arelooking forward to a second
season of Malik Willis at QB2.
So Malik Willis is stickingaround.
That's all we need.
Though Malik Willis is stickingaround there for the Green Bay
Packers.
The Packers expect JordanMorgan to push for a starting
job this offseason.
So to answer kind of what uh,brian Gutekinds had to say there

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, he he said we're going to seehim at guard and tackle a little
bit.
They're working around Packers.
According to Matt LaFleur, it'sgoing to be a great competition.
He said Him and Sheed are goingto battle it out and hopefully
push each other to make eachother better.
That's what you want.
That's what you want Two guysbattling for a starting spot at
the NFL level.
That's what you want.
That's what's going to make youbetter.
So I can't wait to see thatthere.
And depth is huge.

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Depth, depth is huge with thegreen bay packers.
We saw that against the eaglesthere.
Um, looking at some of the otherthings he talked about, luke
getzey and his new ideas thathe's going to bring to the
offensive mix, love to see thatright, luke gets.
He coming back in hopefullydoes bring a, you know,
different kind of mindset to thegreen bay packers.
That's something thatdefinitely could change, alter
this team.

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Is the mindset going into game.
So that could be a definitehuge booster, especially in the
offensive side of the footballthere.
And then you also talk aboutDemarcus Covington's experience
as a defensive coordinator.
So, uh, covington replaced thenew, the old, defensive line
coach there, so he's coming into replace him there.
He was served as defensivecoordinator for the Patriots
last year and that's a goodthing to too a guy that Jeff

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Halfley can kind of bounce ideasoff.
There have a guy who'sexperienced in the room, been
there, done that in the AFC side.
He might have a few things tohelp out Jeff Halfley there.
So that's huge.
That's a great thing to hearthere.
So the Marcus Covingtonexperience was something that
Matt LaFleur loved there forthis Packers team.
So we got a little bit more toget to with the NFL.
I want to talk about these rulechanges when we come back.

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We got Brewer Talk to wrap usup for the day.
Can't wait to get to it.
We'll be back here in just acouple minutes.
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So I got to get to.
Before we get to our NFL rulechanges.
I want to get to my overreactionof the week because we're going
to have an overreaction of theweek.
I got to have something Like Igrind my gears, something's

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grinding my gears every week,something I'm freaking out about
every single week.
Right, I got to have somethingfreaking out about.
My overreaction of the week isessentially that the Brewers
season is over before it evenstarted.
That's going to be myoverreaction of the week and

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I'll be honest with you, that'severybody's reaction right now.
Oh, my goodness gracious, if Igot to everybody.
It's literally everybody.
I go to Lockdown Brewers.
Bam over, it's even over.
The one guy who's actuallysomewhat subtle right now is
bill.
I love bill michaels and rightnow I was tuned.
I tuned into that.
I was totally cold work.
I was like bill is gonna be hot.

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They're all in four right now.
He's gonna light it up into him.
He's gonna be the one that's,you know, yelling and screaming
and everything.
And I think he, he said itpoint blank.
He's like they're four games in, it's okay, we're okay.
Yet and I was like wow, I can'tbelieve.
The guy himself, just likesubtly, gave me that answer.

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I couldn't believe it.
So I mean, that was something.
So my overreaction of the weekwill be the Brewers season is
just done, it's just done.
Goodness Done Over O-V-'s justdone.
Goodness Done Over O-V-E-R Over.
Right, that's my overreactionof the week there.
So we want to get to the NFLrule changes.
Then we'll jump back to theBrewers.

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We want to get to the NFL rulechanges here real quick Because
there's some interesting ones onthe docket.
So the number one was going tobe the Tush Bush.
We were going to talk aboutthat Tush Bush there.
The Tush Bush kind of went away.
16-16 vote there of the NFLowners.
You have to have 24 votes forthe whatever to pass the rule to

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pass.
It was 16-16 there.
It was an even split.
So basically it just kind ofwe'll wait and vote again later.
We'll wait and vote again later.
Right, we'll wait and voteagain later.
I think for some reason in myhead I think there's more guys
sitting on the we should, we, weshouldn't ban it side who are
kind of like we should ban it,but I don't want to say it.

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Right, I think that's wherethey're at.
They don't want to be the guysto say it.
I don't think there's anybodyout there.
Out, you know, there's probablysome owners who are probably
like, oh, I don't care, likeMike Vrabel who says you know,
like, oh well, you know you gotto stop Lamar Jackson, you got
to stop other plays, what'swrong with it?
This one's this, this whole play, this whole concept is

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different and we talked aboutthat.
You know about the differencesof some of this kind of stuff.
But I just I look at it's likeit's.
It's the only play in footballwhere you can put direct hands
on a guy and you can put like500 pounds of pressure behind
the guy and go straight forwardand I, I take the player safety
thing out the window, I get youknow they're precautionary, sure
like it looks like a play thatcould get guys hurt.

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I would agree with that.
It looks like a play, has it?
No?
So I don't take that excuse forit, I just think it's.
You can't stop it.
It's kind of one of those playsthat's like a guaranteed couple
yards because you got like 500pounds of push behind a guy like
Jalen Hurts already, so thatdefinitely gives you a little
bit of a boost there.
I just think it's more of thefact of there's no other play in

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football where you can puthands directly on a guy, I think
, where you can put handsdirectly on a guy.
I think they got to clean thatup or they got to let other
things go one of the two right,they got to let, and it's
everybody's like.
Well, the packers did that.
You know tucker craft sneak,and they had some guys come up
behind him.
So why are they the onescomplaining?
Right, that's the thing.
If it gets banned for the eagles, it gets banned for the packers
too.
So it's like they don't care,they just want to see.

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You know, I guess you would saythe rules follow, right, that's
where they're kind of andthat's where I'm kind of at with
it is that if they ban it, Iwant it because it's not
according to the rules offootball.
I want them to look into therule book and say this doesn't
go along with it, just like Iwant college basketball to look
at the three-second rule on thelane because Zach Eadie I
remember him from.
Remember Zach Eadie from lastyear there, ncaa.

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He stood in the lane for like15 minutes.
He never left the paint and allof a sudden it was like whoa,
what happened to thethree-second call?
And then travel calls just wentaway this last season.
I'm just looking at it and I'mlike I just want leagues to
follow their own rules.
You make a rule, follow it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
The NBA.
What's a travel?

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
I don't know what right, I don't even know.
But I just want leagues tofollow the rules.
So the tush-push, that's it's.
You know, we're not banning ityet.
We're not banning it yet.
They'll wait.
Maybe when the meeting happensnext there in May that one's
going to be in Minnesota, Ibelieve when that meeting
happens, maybe the next leaguemeeting, they ban it.
I don't know.
They, the interesting onesovertime change coming for the

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regular season.
So they basically and I kind oflike this both teams are going
to get the ball.
I think that's how it should be.
I don't know.
Everybody's like well, you gotto be better than that.
You got to be better than that.
When Patrick Mahomes is hot andhe gets the football in a game
he's not going to lose and if hegets the ball first in overtime
.
We saw it with Baker Mayfieldwhen he lost that coin toss to

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Patrick Mahomes and he justthrew his arms up like crap,
like we're not going to touchthe football.
And you know you hate to see agame end and you don't have a
guy with an opportunity.
Right, like that playoff game Ithink it was, was it the Bills
and the Chiefs?
How can you let a game end likethat Like that sucks.

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That would absolutely suck.
Is you know?
You?
Look at a team like the Bengals.
How are they going to win anovertime game with the defense
they got Like they ain't goingto win nothing, their offense
will win them that game.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
So it's like I just look at it and I've always, I've
always thought, like, give bothteams a chance to get the ball,
like I think, what college,college?
It's always been that way.
And it's no kick, no kickoffs,which I like too, because, okay,
same argument can be made right, you're, because you know, on
the flip side, okay, you have adefense.
But like, if you, if somebodyruns a kick, I give them credit.

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Yes, their blockers got in theway and did their job.
The guy maybe took a spin moveand took it to the house.
But just neutral, put the ballwherever.
It's going to be 25, 30, 35.
I don't care, just both teamsget the ball, both teams get a
chance.
Yeah, for both fan bases in thegame.
That's what you want to see.

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I think.
I've always thought that way, Iagree.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
I agree 100%.
You want both teams to possessthe ball and thanks for more
interesting football.
And then after it, if it stillends up in a tie, it ends up in
a tie, like whatever.
I don't care about that, but Ilove the ability of both teams
to get the ball.
We talked about the touchbackrule a little bit there, moving
that out to the 35 yard lineagain, just trying to get more
of a kickoff return rate.
They want guys to return thefootball.
I get it.

(01:30:00):
I I really don't care, but Iget it.
That's what they want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
It'll be the 40, though.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Right, it's like my god, at what point is it going
to be?
You know when are we going tomove the kicker back?
Like at some point, I wouldmove the kicker back and just
allow.
That's that's what I would do.
I just don.
We keep moving.
We keep giving him more yards.
Just move the kicker back, seeif he can kick it.
If he kicks it from his own 20and puts her through the end
zone crap.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Give him a point or something.
At that point Like come on.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
I drug test this guy.
He's just got a boot, then atthat point I don't know that's
kind of what I would do.
A couple more interesting ones.
The replay assist can now helpon even more penalties.
So they approved the expansionof replay assist.
Five new penalties can now beoverturned by the booth Hitting
a defenseless player, a facemask, horse collar tackle,
tripping and roughing, runninginto the kicker.

(01:30:47):
I like that.
We replay everything else.
Replay that Because I don'tlike the Vikings, but that play
that they had against the Rams Ithink it was the Rams where
Darnold got like just completelyhead turned sideways in the end
zone and there was nothing.
I, I, yes, I like the abilityof the.

(01:31:08):
You know we replay everythingelse.
You might as well replay this.
I've always said when I watch aplays and it's like they can't,
they can't review that, why,why can't they review?
They can't review that.
Why?
Why can't they review?

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
that they review this .
Why can't they review that?

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
choose, yeah, they pick and choose like oh, we
can't review that yeah, I agree,it's just it's silly.
So I I like that rule therethat they're kind of cracking
down on that kind of stuff andthen first downs are going to be
measured electronically so thechain gang is going extinct,
they're going away, so that kindof sucks.
You know some.
Whatever.
We're just gonna fire off ourchain gang.

(01:31:40):
Now what are they gonna do withall them chains?
Like can I have one?
Like real talk?
Can we like have one?
Like can we put one?
I can put one down in thestudio here.
I don't know where I canmeasure my studio and see how
long it is, see if we can fit 10in here, but I mean for 25
000000,.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
You can have.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
That's what they would do, too.
The.
Packers are going to sell it forlike $25,000 or something.
They'll be like you want tokeep Jordan Love?
This is what you got to do.
You got to pay for this chaingang crap here.
So those are some of the rulesthat they had.
There was the interesting oneand we're not going to get to it
much today because I want toget to the brewers here but they
talked about the proposal tochange the playoff format, which

(01:32:17):
we had kind of talked abouthere on the show a few weeks
back.
If you want to listen to it, goback on the podcast there and
definitely listen in.
Just search wisconsin sports onthe go trade.
You find the podcast therewherever you get podcasts.
Um, but we talked about thatplayoff change.
We talked about it because wethought it was silly that the
vikings were like 14 and 3 andthey had to go on the road as a
five seat and they had a basegoal on the road for the entire

(01:32:38):
playoffs.
If they would have made it.
And it's like why do youpenalize the team for being in a
good division?
Right, because at one point thePackers could have finished
with a great record and theythey didn't write, but they
could have and the Vikings couldhave been great and the Lions
could have been.
It could have been a great havea six seed who's better than a

(01:33:00):
three seed?
Yet they have to go play themon the road.
So it's like I, you don't likethat, you don't like that format
.
I said it point blank.
I said I want to see the nflmake it so you don't always
award a team just for winning adivision, for getting a top seed
in the home game.
You give them a playoff spotbut you don't necessarily give
them a home game.
That's where I was kind of aton it.
They were not so keen on it atthe owner's meeting, but it's

(01:33:23):
going to get.
You know they've tabled itright.
It wasn't like it was shot down, they just tabled it, said
we'll rediscuss this thing inMay there, so it could get
approved then.
So it could get approved then.
So they're talking about thisagain in May.
So we'll kind of see whathappens there at the next owners
meeting there to see whathappens.
I'm interested in that oneCause I would love that change.
I hate the AFC South and the NFCSouth, those two divisions.

(01:33:46):
Yep, you have a team that's gotlike nine wins and they get a
seed that's higher than a 14 winteam coming out of the NFC
North.
That's no win team coming outof the NFC North.
That's no.
No, I'm done.
That's.
That's so, so stupid, it's noteven funny.
Be better, be better.
Just because you can beat upyour division does not make you
better than the NFC North team.
That's 14 and three and youdon't deserve a home game in the

(01:34:09):
playoffs.
You deserve a home game in theplayoffs when you're 14 and
three.
I don't care if you havemultiple teams in the NFC North
who get one through four seeds,because they're just that darn
good that year.
That's just how it's got to be.
That's just how it has to be.
You can't penalize a team forbeing good, just in a good
division.
So that's kind of where I'm atwith that whole thing.
So we'll kind of see whathappens there.

(01:34:30):
But Aaron the Brewers, theBrewers, let's just rip the
band-aid off, right, right, goneoff.
The brewers got a win lastnight.
That was exciting, right?
Everybody, come on now.
Come on.
You got everybody cheer,everybody, just shut out like
that yeah that's what it feelslike to win again, oh, my

(01:34:50):
goodness.
I did say, though, the last timethe brewers went oh and four to
start a season, it was 2011.
They went to the NLCS.
Just remember that it was a badstart to a year.
There's been a lot of teams whohave started out terrible and
ended up doing good right, somaybe, just maybe, the Brewers
are going back to the NLCS.
We can hope, right, not withthis pitching staff, but we can

(01:35:12):
hope that, potentially, maybeonce they get healthy, that's
the biggest thing.
And people just drive me nutsbecause everybody's sitting here
and they're like, oh, this guysucks, right, this guy sucks.
I know you were talking aboutthey're talking on Lockdown
Brewers podcast there.
They were talking aboutRodriguez there.
Why was Rodriguez pitching?
This guy should never bepitching.
Blah, blah, blah.
He gave up four runs, like.

(01:35:34):
He gave up four runs, four gaveup four runs, four innings, six
hits, four runs, threestrikeouts, one home run, giving
up 64 pitches, like.
If you think that elvinrodriguez was the reason why the
brewers lost that game.
Four runs in today's mlb isnothing, nothing.
Four runs, is it like?
You're gonna blame elvinrodriguez for that loss?
Get out of here.
Get out of here with that,maybe playing paguero, who gave

(01:35:58):
up four runs when he came inrelief because of four nothing
lead, and that's not daunting.
But an eight nothing lead,that's daunting.
That's yeah, yeah, that's.
That's over, that's done, done.
And your offense made bubiklook like he was the greatest
pitcher in the world that day.
So I want to get more into thisgreat name, though great name on
.
So I want to get more into thisGreat name, though Great name

(01:36:19):
on there Exactly, booboo's agreat name.
I want to get more into thisBrewer talk.
I want to get more into theBrewers, more into this, what I
was just talking about therewhen we come back from the break
here.
So we'll be right back on thebackside of this break here.
Welcome back in to WisconsinSports on the Go with Trage.
I'm your host, trage.
We went to the break.
We were talking about theBrewers and this pitching staff,

(01:36:45):
because this pitching staff sofar has been kind of terrible.
Let's just go with terrible.
That's about as good as I cansugarcoat it.
Right.
You go out to Yankee Stadium.
There you give up 15 home runs,26 runs and 34 hits.
That's terrible.
You come back home for game oneagainst the Royals.
You give up 11 runs and youknow, like I was mentioning
before the break, it's like youhear these guys and they're like
oh, evan Rodriguez, why is heeven pitching?

(01:37:05):
Why is he pitching?
There's nobody left, like Idon't know what.
There's nobody left, there isnobody.
You know everybody's going tobe like well, look down to the,
there's got to be somebody,there's got to be somebody.
If there was somebody, don'tyou think the Brewers would have
threw somebody else?
Well, you don't think they'rejust like hmm, pat Murphy pulled

(01:37:26):
out his notepad right and he'slike huh, this guy's good, this
guy's good, this guy's good.
Huh, okay, I got down to the15th page and I see Elvin
Rodriguez and I'm like that'sthe guy I want to throw.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
He just looks at a piece of paper.
He's like that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Yeah, like he's just sitting there with a blindfold
on, like shooting a Nerf gunacross the room at a board and
he's like wherever it hits,that's the guy who's pitching.
Like are you serious right now?
Some people I get you want tofreak out about a guy.
You want to freak out about aguy I don't think elvin, like
just rodriguez.
I don't think he should bepitching either.
Like, to be honest with you, Idon't think elvin rodriguez
should be pitching either he'swhat pitching in japan last year

(01:38:07):
yeah, like I don't think heshould be pitching either, but
he wouldn't be if the entirepitching staff wasn't out at one
point.
You got to look at it.
When you looked at the springspring training, where were we
at?
Freddie peralta, nester cortez,tobias myers, dl hall, aaron
ashby, aaron zavalli those wereall your guys.
Then myers goes down, then hallgoes down, then ashby goes down

(01:38:29):
.
Now zavalli's out and quintana,who we signed up.
I can't wait to see.
He's got to ramp up before hecan come back and you're already
missing Woody.
Woody's.
I mean, you're getting somegood news out of these guys.
I was going to mention that alittle bit later here, but you
are getting some good news right.
Woody's throwing a simulatedgame.
They're expecting a rehabassignment soon.
Nick Mears is on a rehabassignment.
Tobias Myers is throwing athrew today.

(01:38:53):
So all these guys are slowlyworking their way back, but
we're going to have guys likethis pitching for now.
Like this is it?
This is the guys you're goingto get.
Who are you going to go get?
Like, I've looked out there,I've looked and I looked at
who's left, right Because I wantto see.
I was like I'm interested, whois available to be signed as a
free agent.
Yet you want Rich Hill.

(01:39:15):
He's 45 years old, I think hecan throw 80 miles per hour, yet
you want him.
He's still out there.
You don't want that, right.
You don't want a guy like Imean.
You got James Paxton, he's 36.
Alex Woods 34.
I think maybe he signed upalready.
Lance Lynn retired.

(01:39:38):
So the only guy I saw that'sleft is spencer turnbull.
I would take spencer turnbull.
To be honest with you, I'd takehim like I don't know if the
brewers, I don't know why they,but the thing with it is is like
these guys haven't pitched yet.
So if you call spencer turnbullright now which I would still
do anyways, like that's, that'sbesides the point, I would still
do that.
But if you call him, you don'tget him tomorrow.

(01:39:59):
He's not ready.
Next week he's going to beprobably a couple of weeks
before he's ready to go.
So it's like what do you do now?
Right, I would still, like Isaid, I would still go get
Spencer Turnbull.
That's no doubt in my mind LikeI am going to pick him up and
say dude, do you want a year?
Do you want to come pitch forus for a year, two years,
whatever, I'm going to get himbefore anybody else does,

(01:40:19):
because somebody's going to pickhim up.
He had a fantastic year lastyear with the Phillies and he's
been good, he's been solid.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
The only knock on him is injuries.
Injuries aren't a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
I think that's the only reason, probably why he's
still out there, yep, yep I, whyhe's still out there, yep, yep.
I think that's probably the onebecause 2.65 era last year with
the phillies, in 17 games,seven starts, that's pretty darn
good.
That's pretty darn good likesolid, like better than what you
got better helvin rodriguez.
But at this point I mean, likeI said, you're not going to be
able to bring in a guy who'sgoing to fill in tomorrow and
it's not going to be next weekand it's probably going to be a

(01:40:52):
couple weeks.
Right, you got to figure outthe contract first.
You got to get him down toArizona.
You got to let him pitch downthere.
He's got to pitch simulatedgames.
He's got to ramp up likeQuintana is right now.
So you're going to basicallyput them on the same timetable
as Quintana's on right now.
So you'd probably say he'd beavailable maybe towards the end
of April, which then you'regetting to the point where Aaron
Savalli is coming back.
You're getting to the pointwhere this you know, you're

(01:41:13):
gonna have possibly tobias myers, you're gonna possibly have a
guy like brandon woodruff comingback, you're gonna have
quintana back, right.
So then it's like okay, well,where are you gonna find your
happy medium it I?
I'm still all in for signingspencer turnbull, but I'm just
like nobody you're gonna go getright now is gonna be ready to
go.
They're not ready to go rightnow.
I mean people.
I saw more people talking abouttrevor bauer again.
I'm like everybody's back inthe trevor bauer train and it's

(01:41:36):
like, well, at this point I mean, why not screw it?
We got elvin rodriguez.
Might as well pitch trevorbauer.
See what happens.
I don't know like.
It's like you're not gonna findsomebody at this point to come
in and fix the rotation rightnow.
You got to survive with whatyou got until everybody comes
back, which you're hoping.
Everybody comes back.

(01:41:56):
They come back healthy, right,everybody comes back.
They come back healthy, right,knock on wood, they come back
healthy.
They're ready to go, they'rehealthy, they're feeling good.
You just have to survive.
You have to survive April.
That's where we're at.
I don't know how, just likelast night there, they got that
win.
Chad Patrick, I don't knowwhoever would have had.
Did you have that in your bingocard?
That Chad Patrick was going topitch the Brewers first

(01:42:18):
scoreless, first inning of allseason long?
No, I didn't think it wouldtake five games for the Brewers
not to give up a run in thefirst inning.
I thought they were going togive up a home run in every
first inning of every game,after the first two of the
Yankees, so I'm surprised thatit took this long for them to
have a scoreless inning.
But they shut out the royals.

(01:42:43):
It was a dominant pitchingeffort by the milwaukee brewers
in this, uh, second game of theseries against royals in that
second game of series againstroyals.
So I I love that.
I love that effort that chadpatrick was able to give to the
brewers, but now I mean hisfirst start too.
So that was fantastic, like theyoung fella just coming up from
the minors this season anddelivering, delivering in a
moment.
You needed that.
You needed that because freddiedidn't give you a great outing,
cortez definitely didn't, sovalley didn't, and then elvin

(01:43:07):
rodriguez did.
So it's like the bullpen neededa day off.
They needed you to avoid themand chad batrick, he did that.
He helped avoid that bullpen.
Four and two-thirds, three hits,three walks, five strikeouts
Love to see it.
Great outing, great outing, andthen Koenig, uribe, pajams and
McGill boom slam the door, donewith it.

(01:43:28):
That's your combo and if youcan get to that point, you're
golden.
That was a great outing, agreat game.
Brewers hitting got going.
Contreras is still kind of adud in the middle of that lineup
right now.
I don't know what the heck'sgoing on with him, but Contreras
is kind of a dud.
Churrio finally got himself in.
Yelich hit a bomb.
That was good to see Yelich hita bomb, but he finally got a

(01:43:48):
hit.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
He's up to 125 on that batting average, Him and
Cont Hasse.
Man Hasse got it going.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
Hasse got it going.
That's the guy I want to talkabout.
Eric Hasse, I don't care, he'snot great, he's not a great
baseball player, but he alwaysdoes something to help this
baseball team.
Last year there was multipletimes where he had a big home
run for the Brewers.
In a big moment he'd step upwith a.
The bats weren't cooking, hassewould get a hit.
H the bats weren't cooking,haas would get a hit.

(01:44:15):
Haas would hit a home run.
It's just.
Haas is just a steady guy.
He's a steady guy and right nowI got to be honest with you.
I've seen a lot of peopleblaming pitch calling on
Contreras.
Right now.
I don't want to say that's acomplete problem, because I
think pitching in general hasbeen a problem with location,
but I think location calling hasbeen a problem.
I think pitch calling has beena problem.

(01:44:38):
I think pitch calling has beena problem.
Is that contrarious?
I'm not going to say completelythat somebody isn't in his ear
telling him what to call, but ifit is contrarious calling these
games right now, I don't likeit Because, like I said, I
talked to Aaron at thecommercial break there we were
talking about Haas and that andI said I'd be interested to see
Haas catch for Freddie tomorrowand we recorded, pre-recorded,

(01:45:00):
so we haven't seen Freddie pitchyet.
But I said I'd be interested tosee Haas catch for Freddie, see
how Freddie does.
If Freddie pitches lights out,then I'd be like, hmm, I'd be
interested to see Haas catch forNestor Cortez, see what happens
, right, because I think Contrcontreras, he loves the hard

(01:45:20):
stuff, he loves calling for thehard stuff.
That don't always work right.
We saw that.
I saw the percentage usage ofsome of these, like the hard
stuff you guys were throwingthere and between cortez and
freddy and those guys and howmany home runs they gave up, and
it was like maybe you shouldhave stuck to the breaking ball,
maybe just a little bit more.
So right now, with this brewersteam, this is the biggest

(01:45:42):
question.
This is the biggest question.
This is what we got to answerhere.
Are we going to start losingour minds?
Because, goodness, I goteverybody across social media,
everybody out there.
It's like this sucks, they suck, this is it.
That's it.
Blah, blah, market announcer.
Sell the team.
This that blah.
I got everybody across socialmedia, everybody out there.
It's like this sucks, they suck, this is it.
That's it, blah, blah, market.
And answer Sell the team, this,that blah, blah, everything
else, and it's like settle, dialback.

(01:46:06):
We're okay, we're four gamesinto a season.
Now we're five.
Right, we got one win.
We're one in four and four,we're five games in.
We're gonna be six games.
As you guys listen to thistomorrow, I don't know the
outcome yet, so wait and see.
Maybe we're gonna be one infive, maybe we're two and four.
It's an early, it's, it's ayoung season.
Yet, guys, like it's young,there's 150, some games left

(01:46:29):
here, right, hundred and what?
57, maybe after tomorrow, yeah,15, whatever it is.
I don't want to do math rightnow, but whatever it is, that's
a lot of games.
What happens if they justrattle off 150 straight wins?
I don't know, it could besomething crazy.
We're sitting here and we'refreaking out like the Brewers
have nothing and I hear guysthat are like well, this is the

(01:46:52):
least exciting Brewers team I'veever seen, and this and that
and everything else in between,and it's like guys, it just
started.
Half the team isn't even hereyet.
Woodruff's still coming, tobiasMyers is hurt, quintana's still
coming Like we're waiting forguys to come off the injured
list.
Just wait, pump the brakes forfive seconds.
If I have to eat my words onthis, I'm going to eat my words.

(01:47:15):
The Brewers are fine.
They're fine.
The offense is stunk to startwhen your top four guys in your
order there between Hoskins andYelich and Contreras and Churrio
in that first series therecompletely stunk and Churrio
struck out like what five timesin the opening day.
It kind of was a sucky start.

(01:47:36):
Your offense was struggling,your offense was struggling,
your pitching was struggling,everything sucked.
So they just had to settle inand hopefully, last night's game
.
Hopefully you guys saw a wintoday.
We saw a win today, right,hopefully we saw a win today.
We're all feeling good about itagain.
That's the hope, right, that'sthe hope there is.
We're all feeling great aboutBrewer baseball here when we
come back next Wednesday there.
So, aaron, let's hit them upbefore we get out of here.

(01:47:56):
Aaron's got our fact of the day.
Aaron, what do we got?

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
Yeah, all the way back at 1792, the coinage act
was enacted in the United States, establishing the first mint
which I've actually been to inPhiladelphia and the federal
regulation of coins.
So I mean pretty cool RightLike that's.
So I mean pretty cool rightLike they print money there.
So I mean kind of cool to seeit.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
And that was a long time ago, that was a long time
ago that was a long darn time Iheard that it costs like three
pennies to make one penny, so Iheard that there is something to
that.
There's something weird likethat, something weird.
So I mean like wow, wow.
So hey, I mean, if you missedany of the show tonight there,
make sure you check us acrosspodcast site, apple, spotify,
wherever you find podcasts youcan find us out there.

(01:48:39):
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But with that, for Aaron andmyself this has been Wisconsin
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Thank you all for tuning in.
We'll catch you guys back.