June 18 show: Breaking Down Wisconsin Sports: From Brewers Tension to Packers Future

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How we doing everybody andwelcome into Wisconsin sports on

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the go with Trage.
I'm your host, trage.
We're coming back on thisWednesday, june 18th, a
fantastic Wednesday here in thegreat state of Wisconsin.
It's been a little bit of rainy, a little rainy as of late here
, but I mean they tell me it'ssupposed to warm up over the
weekend so it's going to feellike summer's finally here.
It's been kind of crazy.
I mean just the weather has notreally gotten, I mean much

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better and it's.
It's been nice at times, butjust not really hot.
It hasn't been a hot summer yet.
So we'll see if it finallystarts to warm up a little bit
out there and we start to getthat summer weather here as we
get towards the end of june,into july already here.
So, as always, I hope you guysenjoyed your weekend.
I hope you enjoyed yourfather's day weekend.
I got a great gift, my littleman and the wife.
They got me a little necklight,a Milwaukee necklight.

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It's got LED lights on it.
It was a fantastic gift.
And then a little card with hishandprints in there and
everything like that.
So it was awesome, awesomeFather's Day there.
Spent it early in the morningwith him.
I think we woke up.
I think me and the wife were upabout she was up before me
there about two in the morning.
Then I got up about threeo'clock because he just he
wasn't, he wasn't ready for bed,right.
So I went, I laid him down inbed and he woke back up.

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So we sat awake for a long timethen for the rest of the day.
So that was great it was.
It was a good weekend.
I mean he's been great andeverything like that there.
So over the weekend I went downto Foreman's.
Make sure you guys are shoppingout of Foreman's.
They're sponsored the show here, get all your landscaping
supplies and everything likethat.
But I stopped down at Foreman'sthis weekend.
They had customer appreciation.
Hopefully you guys made it downthere too.
They had, I mean, a great,great stuff.

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They had a little bit of agrill out kind of thing going on
.
They had hot dogs and theywe're going to have Casa M
joining us here on the show as asponsor and they used some Casa
M spices and the relish wasjust fantastic.
So it was just a fantasticcustomer appreciation.
And actually I met Dustin fromWarm Kids Wisconsin, the charity

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group that we're a part of here, on the show.
Dustin from Warm Kids Wisconsinwas there and when I tell you,
I mean he was down there forcustomer appreciation.
He texted me.
He's like, hey, I'm going tostop down there, I want to see
what's going on in Foreman.
So he stopped down and there'sgoing to be a donation jar there
.
So if you guys are looking todonate to Warm Kids Wisconsin,
look into them, look acrosssocial media, follow them across
social media and then make sureyou're donating out to the
cause out there.
If you be awesome, it'd beawesome trip right.

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But I met dustin from warp kidswisconsin and he had his little
boy down there and I mean theylistening to him.
I mean everything that he hasto say about him, his wife and
his family and everything likethat.
He is just, it's a fan, he's afantastic person.
They're fantastic uh group ofpeople over there and their
cause.
I learned more about it.
You know, I I've, I've watchedthe videos.
You watch them over that tiktok.
He does great videos on TikTokand everything like that and I
mean just a great guy all theway around and he was telling me

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more about what they do andwhat they're about.
Right, and everybody thinks,okay, warm Kids, wisconsin,
they're about coats.
No, they're about snow pantsand boots.
A lot of people do coats, a lotof people do snow pants and
boots.
And when they give you snowpants and anything like that,
where kids are going to freezewithin five minutes, no, they
get the good stuff.
They get the good stuff.
They make sure that they go outand they get the good brands

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and the good styles andeverything like that.
So, talking with him, they workdirectly with the schools.
Now, they don't want to go, youknow, person to person.
It's hard to go to people thesedays because it's hard to trust
people, right, you know they'vehad run-ins with scammers and
stuff like that, so they try toavoid that.
They work with schools directly.
They're trying to expand andwhat they need is people.
They need more people to beinvolved in it.
They need groups like us youknow anybody who can share them

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out to get their name out there,because look into them, see
what they're about.
They're about getting kids warmclothes for the winter.
We know, as you know, adults,everything like that is it's,
you know late in the night here,so the kids should be asleep.
They shouldn't be listening tome talk right now, and if you
are, how are you doing tonight?
But anyways, we know as adultsthat kids it gets cold, we get

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cold, kids are going to get cold.
They want to be outside.
They want to play in the winter, they want to play in the snow.
They need those warm clothesand that's where Warm Kids
Wisconsin comes in.
You can't get them.
The school district will help.
They'll find ways to get WarmKids Wisconsin involved.
That's what they need.
So if you're a part of a schooldistrict out there and you see
kids in need and stuff like that, definitely have them.
Reach out to Warm KidsWisconsin.
They are more than willing toget in there.

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They want to expand as much asthey can.
I mean, the plans that theyhave are unreal.
They want to get all the wayover to Green Bay, be all over
the state at some point here andall in other states at some
point.
So it's awesome the uh, uh whatthey're doing there and the
quality of stuff and the qualityof people that you'll be
working with at warm kidsWisconsin.

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So make sure you are lookingthem up there, warm kids,
wisconsin out there.
I mean just, it was a fantasticweekend and when I got to meet
him it just made it even better.
I then he was coming to town.
I was like I'll go meet you upthere and just a fantastic
person and a great guy to meetthere.
So make sure you're followinghim across social media there.
But the weekend right, I meanwe had nba finals going on.

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I want to talk about that alittle bit today.
I I think kyle's gonna come onlater.
I he's been under the weatherso I don't know if kyle's gonna
be able to stop by today andtalk a little nba.
So we might just talk a littlenba here to start the day.
But I mean nba finals going on.
We had the brewers taking onthe cardinals over the weekend.
That was a interesting series.
We got the series win, a bigseries win right, and then we

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had the little scuffle withwilson contraris.
I want to talk about that today.
So I want to get into that.
I want to talk, like I said, alittle nba, a little bit of
bucks talk there.
Uh, I, I maybe we'll get to theBadgers, that NCAA violation.
I don't know if we'll get theretoday.
We have lots to get into.
Um, we're going to be stoppingby.
I want to talk a lot of Packers.
We heard help ed policy talk.
So I want to talk about what edpolicy had to say there.
We got I mean your dad's in thenews.

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We got.
I saw some comments by PeterBukowski over there on his show
there.
So I mean lots to get intotonight here on the show.
But, as always, the way that Ilove to start it here, coming
off the weekend is what wasgrinding my gears.
Coming off the weekend, whatwas grinding my gears and what

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was grinding my gears is I'mseeing a lot of people across
social media, people acrosssocial media and they are they.
They I don't want to say theyabuse stats, but they.
They come up with a lot ofdifferent stats that don't
realistically mean anything tome at all.
Right, so I I have this guyover on tiktok and he's he's a

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big rangers guy.
I can't top my head.
I'm trying to.
I'm blanking on what the nameof the show is called, but he's
a big rangers guy and if Iremember the name I'll spread it
out there.
But he's a big Rangers guy andif I remember the name, I'll
spread it out there.
But he made a video and he wastalking about Corey Seager and
everybody knows Corey Seager,he's a fantastic shortstop,
fantastic baseball player, andhe said that Corey Seager should
be in the all-star conversation.

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Corey Seager is batting around240, right around 240.
He said that Corey Seagershould be in the all-star
conversation simply because hisexpected batting average, due to
contact quality, is 290 plus.
It's 290 plus.
That's why he believes thatCorey Seager should be in the

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all-star conversation.
And I was like oh, okay, that Imean I, I guess so, like, but
in my opinion, that meansnothing.
This expected, uh, I just thestats that they come up with

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nowadays.
I mean, you look over, okay,let's go look at over.
Okay, let's go look at for asecond here.
Let's just look at shortstopsin the American League.
Look at batting averages.
Right now, jacob Wilson'sbatting 362.
Jeremy Pena's batting 320.
We see JP Crawford batting 293.
Josh Smith, with Texas, isbatting 288.
Okay, so in all of that, Idon't see where you would even

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throw.
Where you throw cory seager inthat group, you don't, you don't
, there's no, there's no spotwhere it's like oh yeah, he's
hitting better than this guy.
So I I see what he's saying.
We're like look at joey ortiz.
As of late you want to talkabout a guy who's making some
hard contact, who's got someunlucky streak.
Right now it's joey ortiz.
I mean, he's making hardcontact.

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He's flew up to the wall acouple times against cardinals.
He had a couple hard hit ballsagainst the cubs there in game
one.
I mean he's been hitting theball better.
It's just he's hitting right atguys.
So I get you know the theargument of some guys are just
having bad luck, but bad luckdoes not equal all-star.
Just because you haven'texpected, well, you expect them
to get it.
Yeah, okay, it's expected to behit, but a guy who caught it.

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So you got to find a way toeither hit it over them or hit
it on the ground, whatever it is.
You got to find a way to get on.
You.
Flying out to the warning trackdoesn't look any better than
you flying out to the middleinfielders.
It doesn't I mean end of theday, realistic, like, okay,
looking at in a grand scheme ofthings, if you fly out to the
wall, it looks a lot better thanflying out to the second

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baseman.
But at the same time, what's itreally add up in the scorebook
isn't out unless if there'srunners on and you drove me with
a sack fly, it realisticallymeans nothing.
So, and it's not just, I'm not,just, I don't want to call him
out.
He's a great guy.
Like I don't want to call it,just him out on this one.
But there's a lot of people outthere who it just seems like
lately just abuse stats and arelike oh, this stat, you know,

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these stats, all these that like, uh, war for a while there, you
know, wins above replacementthat got created not too long
ago.
I mean, they add ops andthere's a lot of different.
They just add crap togetherlike this and this and this OPS
and on base percentage andslugging and war.
And you got there's so many,it's too many stats, it's it's
hard to even keep up and they'relike, oh well, he's better in

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this and this and it's like Idon't even care about that stat,
like what happened to justbatting average and home runs
and doubles and what happened tothat?
Why, on base percentage is goodenough, but like what, what is
all these?
It's just too many stats andtoo many stats to rely on.
And then now you got peoplesaying that guys are good just
because they're expected to,that they should have an average
like this.
It's like, no, they don't havean average like that though, so
it doesn't really matter.
So I guess I don't know.

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That just kind of grinds mygears as people abusing stats in
that way by saying, oh well,this guy deserves to be this
because of this, I, I just I, Idon't like that.
Outside of that, the other oneyou know this weekend was not
that bad.
I don't have a lot that'sgrinding my gears, I guess
coming up, the thing that'sgrinding my gears more than
anything right now isconstruction.
Construction has got.
I get everybody's going to belike, well, trey, come on, it's

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summer.
You know Wisconsin's got a lotof construction.
I get that.
But you know, greenwood, theBlue Bridge is out On 73, going
out of town, they got bridgesout going to the north there,
and then I mean the sidewalksare being redone and everything
like that.
And then 29, when you get upthere, going both directions,
there's construction both waysfor like miles on end and

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they're only working on one mileof the road.
It's like got cones lined up 30miles up there and we're
working on one mile.
Why do we got cones for thewhole 30?
I don't know.
Construction sometimes justirritates me because for months
on end, you, you know thatthere's gonna be construction
there, but nobody's there.
It's just cones lined up andyou're like, okay, when are they
gonna start construction?
Oh, it says this date.
It's like, oh, and also, knhcorners is shut down.
That's screwing up everything.
I was working at a farm theother day.

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Um, it was literally the farmthat I was at.
I had to go to a different oneand they were like five miles
apart, but it ended up beinglike a 20 minute trip because
the intersection was shut downso I couldn't go across.
I had to go all the way around.
It was just like, sometimesthat just irritates me.
So, yeah, that's that wasgrinding my gears over the

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weekend.
And there's just all thisstinking road construction.
I get it, it's summertime inWisconsin, you're going to have
road construction, but at thesame time, oh man, it just
irritates me, it just absolutelyirritates me with all this
construction.
So that's grinding my gearscoming off the weekend.

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I want to get to a little top ofthe hour because the NBA finals
is heating up right now.
Kyle, I, like I said I don'tknow if Kyle's gonna be able to
stop by tonight here.
If he does, we'll talk.
We'll get more into thisbecause you guys know how
in-depth Kyle loves to get withthe, with the NBA and the NBA
playoffs here.
But I don't know if he's gonnastop by, so I just want to kind
of talk about it today.
So the Thunder took game five.
Game six is scheduled forThursday.
It's's going to be in indiana.
If the thunder win, they gettheir first championship in a

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long time.
It's been a long time.
You think about the teams thatthey've had.
Look about the I mean kevindurantz and james harden and
russell westbrook team that theycouldn't get it done and they
blew the lead.
Right now we look at them.
It's like, okay, this young gunteam with shay gildress and I
mean williams played fantastic.
Mean, you got Chet Holmgren onthat team.
Alex Caruso has been playinggreat for them in the playoffs
here.
So you have a younger teamright now than we saw there and

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they got a chance to give theThunder the first championship
in a while.
There, the Pacers same boat, butthe Pacers backs against the
wall.
They haven't been to this pointin this postseason very often
the Pacers, and right now I Imean they're kind of working
with tyris halbert and was hurtlast game there.
I don't know.
I was kind of when they told mehe was hurt and the thunder
were up by a boatload and I knowthey came back and made it

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close.
The pacers did.
But I would have just saidtyrus halbert and like why risk
it?
If he was that, if he wasinjured and that's what was
affecting his game and that'swhy he had zero points.
I mean at one point I think itwas at half or something like
that I mean just I wouldn't havehad him out there.
Honestly, I don't like thePacers.
I don't like Tyrus Halbert.
You guys all know that.
But at the same time I'm likehe's one of your best players

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and he's been playing well inthe playoffs.
Do you really want to lose himfor the rest of it?
The Thunder heading to Indiana.
They're going to have a 3-2series lead right now.
Have a little bit of breathingroom.
When the Pacers won Game 3, Ihonestly, kyle and I were
texting back and forth and wewere talking about it and I was
like Kyle.

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I said if I'm the Thunder, I'mnervous right now because the
way the Pacers looked in Game 3and the way the Thunder looked,
it looked like Pacers could winGame 4.
They could be up 3-1 in thisseries and then the Thunder
would be backs against the wall.
Not having been in thissituation very often throughout
the season we talked about thatwith the Thunder is that they're

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a team who I mean, look attheir margin of victory.
All season long they blew teamsout.
They blew teams out a lot.
So the way that it was kind ofshaping up here it was like you
know the pacers, if they cantake a 3-1 series lead, this is
a team in the thunder thathasn't really been backs against
the wall too often, but they Imean they're backs against wall
2-1 and they found a way to wingame four and then they won game
five.
So I mean just some impressivegames out of thunder.

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We'll see if they can wrap itup game six coming up here on
thursday if they need it.
Game seven would be Sundaythere and then, when Kyle comes
back, if he, if he's not heretoday, like I said, if he
doesn't stop by today when wecome back next week we'll be
able to talk about the wrap-upof the NBA finals, wrap of the
season there, and then we'llalso be able to look ahead to
what we're going to see thisoffseason there, because we had
I mean, there's a lot of crazystuff that's been happening, uh,

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with the NBA right now and Iwant to get into a lot of it
next week there with Kyle.
But I was asked the question ofwhat would you grade the NBA
finals this year versus pastyears?
And I, you know this is thequestion that's been passed
around by a lot of people onTwitter and a lot of people on
Facebook and that I'vethoroughly enjoyed this playoff
series.
There's no Steph, there's noLeBron.

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There's no Katie.
There's none of that crazy.
There's nobody Alex Caruso.
There's no KD.
There's none of that craziness.
There's nobody Alex Carusoright, he's there.
Outside of that, there's nobody.
That's like they've been finalsand you know it's not the
repetitive motion that we werein with the Cavs Warriors for a
year and they made that memewhere it was like 2075 Cavs

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Warriors again.
Like we're not in that moderight now.
We have two young gun teams, twowho you know stars are going to
get their first championship.
Is it going to be Shea?
Is it going to be Tyrese, youknow.
Are we going to see Indiana wintheir first in a while?
Are we going to see, you know,a team like Oklahoma City win
their first in a while?
It'd be.
It's an awesome year.
I would say so.
I would.
I would say probably about a Bplus.
I mean I don't like the Pacersare there, so I'll give it a B
plus.
Outside of that, I love whatI've seen.
This has been an excitingfinals.

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The games have been closecompared to the rest of the
playoffs.
They've been good games.
They've been close.
So I've enjoyed this finalsthoroughly.
I really have.
So that's about it.
Yeah, that's all we're going toget into the NBA right now.
We'll see if Kyle stops bytoday.
If he can't, we'll talk moreNBA next week here on the show.
But we got.
I want to talk a little bit ofBrewers.
We're going to talk Brewershere when we come back.

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I want to talk about WilsonContreras, that whole situation
from what I saw over thisweekend there.
I want to talk a little bit ofthe Cards series, talk about a
little bit of Brewer talk.
Are they buyers or sellersLater on here.
And then I want to get to thePackers here with Ummer.
We're going to get to the here.
We are just getting going.

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So I want to get to what we sawover the weekend and the big
thing that a lot of that does.
You know, actually it probablyhad a lot of major league
baseball kind of stirring,because they live for excitement
.
I saw MLB now was talking aboutit a little bit there and that
was the situation with wilsoncontreras.
Caleb durbin was involved, kidyou not.
Caleb durbin doesn't seem likeI would really get involved in

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that, but caleb durbin wasinvolved.
Reese hoskins, of course, wasinvolved and so if anybody
missed the game, I'm guessingmost people have seen the clip
and everything like that by now.
But wilson contreras is groundball, durbin grounds out and
throw it first in time,everything like that.
Durbin's running down the lineand wilson contraris gets the
ball at first instead ofstepping forward away from the

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baseline, anything like that.
He steps backwards into thebaseline, kind of and you know,
I, I, he, I, I, he doesn't playfirst base.
So I had a lot of people, youknow, tell me across social
media it's like oh well, he'snot an actual first baseman, so
he doesn't know.
You don't know.
After you make an out, no matterwhere you are, why would you

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step into the baseline, likewhen I watch it?
Was it intentional?
No, I don't think it wasintentional.
I really don't.
Did it look worse than what itwas?
Yes, and why?
The way that Wilson Contrerasacted after the situation?

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If you run into Caleb Durbin,you didn't mean it, right.
Caleb Durbin, like even WilsonContreras said, caleb Durbin's a
young guy, first year in theleague.
Why would I be trying to hurthim, right?
I don't want to hurt him.
It's his first year, okay, okay.
So after you knock him down,you just basically walked away.
You kind of walked out and thenyou started chirping with the

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Brewers dugout.
Doesn't make it look better,right?
Then Hoskins gets hit, thenContreras gets hit and then
Contreras, you know, puts ballin Quintana's glove, runs down
first and him and Hoskins arehaving a little conversation
down there and we hear after itwas all said and done there.
We hear Wilson Gutierrez afterthe game in a press conference

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and he had some choice words forthe media about what was said.
And you know, Reese Hoskins,when they asked him, reese is
like it's, you know, whatever.
Whatever happened happened Likehe didn't.
He didn't say anything.
Basically, he's like it's, youknow, whatever.
Whatever happened happened Likehe didn't say anything.
Basically, he's like it's over,like nothing, really.
Nothing Professional, right,moved away as a professional.

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And they I mean Caleb Durbin,nothing really.
Wilson Gutierrez acted like anentitled child.
That's as basic as I can put it.
He acted like he was a childafter all this happened, saying
some choice words after the gameand saying, well, you know,
they have all this stuff to saywhen I'm a distance away, but

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then when I'm up in their face,well then they have nothing to
say.
And I was looking for more.
Really, why, why is that whatyou want out of that situation?
Why couldn't you just be agrown-up here, because you have
been in the league for a while?
Why can't you just be agrown-up and just say oh, you
know?
Hey, durbin, sorry, I juststepped backwards in a line.

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That's my bad.
That's my bad.
Instead, you act like a child.
That's the way that I looked atit.
To be honest with you, he is.
I mean, I love William Contreras.
I think William Contreras is agreat dude, great personality,
everything like that.
I think his brother is theexact opposite in a grade A hole

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.
That's it Not a nice guy.
I won one of my teams.
I mean we go back in thehistory.
This isn't the first time.
I think it was four years agothe Brewers hit him on
back-to-back nights.
I think Devin Williams got himup in the head or something like
that, and I think he was hit byBoxberger then later in the

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game.
And I mean it's not the firsttime that the Brewers have had a
little scuffle with Contreras.
It's just the Brewers,contreras, contreras is just, I
mean, a nuisance, and not even agood nuisance Like nuisance
like Paul Goldschmidt, goodnuisance Like Paul Goldschmidt.

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The reason why I dislike PaulGoldschmidt when he plays the
Brewers is Paul Goldschmidtseemed to get a hit.
It doesn't matter who he wasplaying for, he could be batting
200 at the time and after thatseries was done you would have
thought he was batting 400 goinginto the series.
That's just Paul Goldschmidtover pool.
Like you, you had those guyswhere they're like nuisances
because they're good and thenyou just have a nuisance like
wilson contreras because he'sjust a nuisance and he just
wants to be and he does thesechildish things and he tries to

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tries to stir the pot.
Why you try to stir a pot?
You try to start a brawl andthen to say, oh, reese hoskins
didn't have nothing to show.
I gotta tell you this right nowI don't see reese hoskins as a
dude.
I reese hoskins doesn't seemlike a dude where he's going to
back down.
No, he just had enough of you,nothing more that he wanted to

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say.
He spoke his mind, told youwhat he thought, didn't think
you played the position right,what you should have done, and
you didn't act like aprofessional.
When it was all said and done,what more did you want?
So I don't get people defending.
I saw a lot of Cardinal fans arelike, oh, wilson was in the

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wrong here and it's like wherewas he then?
What did you see there?
I mean, what'd you see there?
7-1-5, 9-9-0, 4-9-1-4.
That's 715-990-4914.
What did you think of the WilsonContreras situation?
I mean I'm not trying to likeoverreact, because nothing
really bad happened out of it.
It was just I mean to see theamount of people who were like

(24:16):
and then MLB Now is like and Iagree with what they were saying
where I didn't think it wasintentional.
I did not think that one secondof that was intentional.
I don't think he was trying tohurt Caleb Durbin.
I just think he made aboneheaded decision over at
first base because he's not usedto playing there.
And when he did it he acted in away that was unprofessional

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when it was all said and done,like he was some tough guy,
macho, macho tough guy.
When, in all reality, dude,nobody cares.
You just made yourself looklike a fool because you can't
just get away.
It was an easy play, the playwas done, you were about to
stroll around the horn andinstead of just stepping forward
like the common person, wouldyou step backwards into the line
.
Really, I mean, now you'rebasically like the machado

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situation when he tripped up onj Aguilar's foot.
Basically, the same thinghappened there.
So I don't know.
I'd love to hear what you guysgot to say about that whole
situation.
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situation.

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So, after all that happened, Ihad a question.
It was about you know, afterthis happened, I had this
question that was asked and itwas who is on my Brewers
all-time villains list, likethose guys you just dislike,
maybe because you're a Brewerfan, maybe you just dislike them

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because you're I mean, whenyou're a baseball fan you just
dislike them.
You don't like their way theyplay the game.
What is your list of Brewervillains, like villains to you
as a Brewer fan?
And I got my list, I'd love tohear yours 715-990-4914.
That's 715-990-4914.
I'd love to hear your Brewersvillains list.

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My list Simple.
It's real simple.
My list is real simple.
Manny Machado I don't even knowif I'm supposed to dislike him
anymore, because I mean,honestly, what happened?
It was a while ago.
Most people are like why dothey still boo him?
I'm still going to boo him.
I don't like him.
To begin with, I thought whathe did, he's got a dirty streak

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to him, so I don't like him.
So, machado, greg Council's onmy list.
He's got to be.
Greg is like I think we're fineoff without Greg, but it's just
the way that he went about it.
And then he went to chicago outof all places, like the first
that's where he went was chicago.
That, yeah, that irked me thewrong way.

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So I still have this like Idon't would not say like hatred,
but dislike, and he's a villain.
Jesse winker I don't know if Icall him a villain as much as I
would just say I dislike thisdude with a passion.
I just think he's annoying.
Last year he was annoying.
He had one hit in the entireseries and one guy, one Mets fan

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, told me it was the biggest hitof the series.
And it's like dude, it happenedin the first inning of game one
Like congratulations, I don'tknow why.
Like congrats, game one that aboy like, oh god, like, settle
down, settle down.
So jesse winker, he's juststunk in milwaukee and then he
leaves and he just becomesannoying like that, oh just yeah
.
So jesse winker, jeff mcneil isnot really a villain, is more

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or less.
I just wanted to put him on thelist because it's funny that
he's on there, him and reesehoskins going at it last season.
That was hilarious.
So I put jeff mcneil onthereavier Baez he made my list,
javier Baez, just for his yearswith Chicago.
Anymore, like he doesn't reallybother me anymore, but those
years with Chicago.
He was a nuisance.
He was just a nuisance.

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I just like when I can'tremember it was that you know,
throw to first and he likeairmailed the first baseman by
like 15 feet and threw it upinto the net.
And I was like, yeah, that'swhy we put the nets there, just
for happy bias to throw it into.
So they're happy bias on mylife.
Paul goldschmidt I talked abouthim a little bit earlier there.
I mean just a brewer killer.
It didn't matter what was goingon, paul goldschmidt was gonna

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get in freddie freeman's in thatsame boat.
For me it just seemed likefreddie, freddie always hits the
brewers, paul goldschmidtalways hits the brewers.
So I would say those two arekind of hand in hand, just
always beat up on the brewers.
I don't dislike them as peoplelike I think freddie's a great
dude.
It's just when he playsmilwaukee.

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I just I can.
I mean he's always been.
Like I said, I don't even knowif like more of a nuisance, if
anything.
It's not like he beats up onthe Brewers, he's just a
nuisance to me at the end of theday.
I mean with the Cubs he was anuisance and now with the
Cardinals it's just annoying.
I mean and like I said before,situation it doesn't have to be

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what it is.
Be a man for five seconds andjust own up to your mistake,
just apologize to Caleb Durbin,make sure he's okay.
What if Caleb Durbin runs intohim?
And I know I'm talking to whatifs, right, and I told you guys
earlier on my grind of my gears,not talking to what ifs, but
what if Caleb Durbin gets hurt?
What if he hurts, like I meantears something.
It's crazy, crazier things havehappened.
What if he tears something?

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And your first reaction is towhat?
Make sure he's okay.
No, first reaction is toyelling.
Oh well, first yellow Dermott'sgetting hot with you, so then
he yelled there and then heyelled the dugout.
That's your first reaction.

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Talk about a vet.
Uh, that's not a vet.
That's not a vet.
I don't know what you wouldcall that, but that's not a
veteran.
That's not a veteran move atall.
That's a rookie hothead.
I need to get myself in checkmove.
So yeah, that's that's whereI'm at with contrast.
I just I, I hated that in everyfacet.
It was more or less.
It was more annoying thananything.
Like I said, it was just, itwas more of a nuisance than
anything over the weekend.
It's not like a brawl startedout of it and you know he oh

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yeah, he responded with a homerun.
Great, whatever, I don't carethat he responded with a home
run.
He should have responded withwalking out to the field and
saying to Contreras hey, makesure that your guy at third
there is okay, just somethingsimple like that.
Instead, you and I loveContreras is like you know.

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Contreras didn't didn't likedefend him at all, said some
guys had to beef with him,whatever, like I.
I love that too is contreras.
He's got his boys back.
It's not, it's his brother,like he said, it's his brother
at the end of the day.
But I got my guys back too.
And the funny part would havebeen as if contreras would have
decided oh, I gotta charge themout, because then the guy who

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would you know your catchersteps in between.
So the guy who would have had astep in between Contreras going
out there after Quintana wouldhave been his brother telling
him hey, let's settle down.
That could have been.
I don't know, I'd have to lookup that stat.
Maybe I'll look up that stat atthe break there.
Has there ever been a fightbetween family members in an MLB

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baseball game?
That'd be interesting.
I'll look that up during thebreak.
So we're going to hit acommercial break, we're going to
come back and I'm going toanswer that question has there
ever been a fight between familymembers at a baseball game?
So we're going to, or betweenduring a game.
So I'm going to look at that.
I'm going to find that answerthere.
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So we went to the break.
We're talking about that wilsoncontraria situation over the
weekend and I'd love to hearwhat you guys got to say.
715-990-4914, that is715-990-4914.
Let me know what you'rethinking there.
I asked the question.

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I said you know, I I didn'tknow if there had been any other
family members that have likefought, because no family
members fought.
Should I say the question I hadand if you missed any part of
the show so far, make sureyou're listening back tomorrow
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But I asked the question.
I was like, well, you know, hasthere ever been?
Because the guy who had a stepin front of wilson contraris to

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go out, if he was going tocharge him out, would have been
william contraris, his brother.
So has there ever been anyfamily members to fight during a
game?
And I did a search I didn'treally know how to phrase it
right, but I did find out thatthere really hasn't been one in
baseball.
But but there has been some inhockey.
There has been some in hockeyEric Lindros and his brother,

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the Hayes brothers, so there'sbeen some hockey ones where some
hockey brothers have fought.
So that one kind of makes sense.
Like you know, the whole hockeything makes sense.
Baseball would be hard.
I mean who would have foughtLike Ken Griffey and I?
I baseball would be hard.
I mean who would have foughtlike Ken Griffey and his dad?
Like that'd been a bit of arough fight.
I mean there's been more duosthan that.
But I mean that'd be, there'dbe some father son duos.

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That would have been a littleodd, like throwing hands with
your dad out there on thebaseball field because I'm hit
by pitch.
But I mean, yeah, so that's allhappened.
So I just wanted to look thatup.
And yeah, so there's been NHLguys who have been in fights
with their family members, butnot in baseball or, I believe,
in any other sport, from as faras I can see.
So we'll see, we'll see.

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If one happens at some point,maybe we can talk about it.
But anyways, we were talkingabout that series there and I
kind of want to dive into thatseries that we watched because
the Brewers it was a homestand,it was a five and five homestand
.
I mean, yeah, you took one outof three from San Diego, which I
really wish they would havebeen able to win and put up some

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runs in one of those games ofthat series.
Goodness, one nothing loss anda two nothing loss there, chad
Pat, or uh, yeah, chad Patrickpitches fantastic for you.
And then also you look at thatsame game there and then, uh,
next game out there, you end uplosing.
Zastrinsky pitch pretty well,but still got the loss one
nothing there.
So I mean, yeah, a couple ofgames where it's like goodness,

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close losses, then the Bravesblew you out twice.
It blew you out twice.
Those losses don't look greatbecause the Braves, after that
game with the Brewers, I meanthey went out to Rockies.
They won two but they lost thatlast one 10-1.
That's the last one I seenthere was a puck kicking there
and the Braves have been, I mean, kind of scuffling on the year
there.
So it was a good time to takeadvantage of them with Ronald

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Acuna back, but I mean they'vebeen scuffling this year out of
the gates.
So that was a series where itfelt like the Brewers should
have it.
They got the win of QuinnPriester, who's been nothing but
fantastic.
I want to talk about QuinnPriester later on here.
But then so you have that serieswith Braves.
You kind of get blown out twogames.
They're 7-1 and 62 in game oneand three, you the second game

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in there and then you had theCardinals and it's like, okay,
cardinals coming to town, thisis a battle for second in the
division.
It feels like a series whereyou can't afford to drop three
games or four Like you can't getswept.
Really.
You can't.
It's home games and you can'treally afford it.
You can maybe afford a split,but a series win would be huge.

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And that's what the Brewers did.
And it's all started with JacobMizorowski in a fantastic debut
with the Brewers.
There he goes.
I mean just a strongperformance all the way around.
Mizorowski had there and theBrewers get the win six to
nothing.
You couldn't.
You couldn't realistically askfor a better debut out of

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mizorowski there.
I mean, you look at the boxscore here five innings, no hits
, no earned runs, four walks,five strikeouts.
I mean the pitch count wasn'tbad for him there.
It was simply because he had alittle.
He had, uh, what would you callit?
A charlie horse, basically, ora uh, oh, uh cramp.
He had a cramp and they werelike, let's not risk this thing,

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let's get him out here.
He's been great, let's get himout here.
So they pull him out after five.
And then nick mears came in,then ashby came in and shut the
door.
So a great game one.
The brewers got all over thecardinals.
They're six to nothing.
And then game two rolled around, won that one?
Three, uh, three to two.
Game three.
And this is where I've beenlooking across these different
series, right, the San Diegoseries and then Atlanta.
And then you look at this StLouis game and it amplified

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again.
In that St Louis game they loseeight to five.
And we're going to look back onthis game and we're going to
say well, you know, the pitchingstaff gave up eight runs.
Yeah, they did.
The bats left a lot of guys onbase too, a lot of guys a lot of
times with the bases loaded.
I mean you look at this gameleft 11 guys on base teams with
runners in scoring for.
The team with runners inscoring position was two for 12,

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yelich was all for two, hoskinswas all for one, contraris was
all for two, terang was all forone, ortiz was all for one,
frelick was one for two andchurio was one for three.
You want to look at whathappened in this game here.
You got the bases loaded, youhad multiple guys in scoring
position multiple times and youhad Yellich and Hoskins go 0-4
this century in that game.
Three strikeouts for Yellich,two for Hoskins.

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You want to talk about what'snot a productive at-bat striking
out with the bases loaded,especially with less than two
outs.
Find a way to put a ball inplay.
Everybody hates on Sale, right,and Sale's been fantastic,
moved up to the leadoff spothere and we're gonna talk about
the later in the show because Ihad a question on that, but I

(38:30):
think sal's gonna stay rightthere.
But you've talked about guyslike sal freling.
Why is he so instrumental inthe lineup?
He finds a way to put the ballin play.
I know sometimes it's not, it'snot a hard hit and sometimes
it's just a little weak, alittle chopper.
I'd rather have a weak, alittle chopper with the chance
than a strikeout.
Then when I watch Churio goalter and I'm like I look at my

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wife and I tell her you knowhe's going to swing at three
straight breaking balls down inthe way.
And what does he do?
Three straight breaking ballsdown in the way.
I think that was from Phil Mattin there.
He came in and threw some dirtypitches to him down in a way
there and it was just take ahack, take a hack, take a hack.
And that the the one.
Knock on Jerry O, you can gethim swinging, because he swings
all over the zone.
He's not much of a walker, heloves to swing around the zone

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there.
Quintana got roughed up again.
Quintana in this one here hegot roughed up.
He's had a couple rough outingsover this season here and I
mean hopefully that kind oflevels itself out there.
He had that rough one.
I think that was back in June.
There he gave up six.
And then I mean since then he'sbeen solid.
Against the Phillies he wassolid five innings of two-run

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baseball.
And then San Diego he was solidin the win five innings of
one-run baseball.
So he's been solid.
He's been roughed up in someoutings but I mean he's been
consistent.
For the Brewers it's just thisCardinals game.
He got a little roughed up acouple times there so I mean
that was a.
It was just I mean that kind ofday, that kind of day there and
just this whole thing was allalong this uh, I mean the

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controversies and everythinglike that.
So it's just that kind of dayfor the brewers.
But I just look at this seriesand I say what did this tell me
about the brewers coming off?
It told me that there's a lotof fight in this team and I I
watch that series and how itwent for Milwaukee?
It either tells you one of twothings, right.
It either tells me that theCardinals are farther away than

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I thought or the Brewers aremissing maybe a piece or two
here or there.
But they have, I believe theyhave the pitching in place.
After watching the series,after watching I mean your worst
outing was Quintana in there,and I think Quintana is a solid,
steady guy.
Outside of that, mizorowski hasearned himself a second start
because he's going to start gametwo against the Cubs there.
And then Priester has beenfantastic.

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He was fantastic in the finalethere, chad Patrick's been good
for him and then Peralta hasbeen solid all the way through.
So when you just look at what'sthis starting pitching staff's
been able to do and what thebullpen's been able to do as of
late, and I mean it gives you alot of good feelings heading
into a series against the Cubsand twins coming up, because the
twins twins haven't beenterrible this year, but the Cubs

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, they're riding the high,they're riding first place right
now in the NL central and theBrewers are chasing.
So this is a series, I feel like, and there's I had a question
on this.
It was about the cubs seriescoming up and it was uh, what

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was it?
I saw it, I had the questionasked me and then I saw it again
across social media and and itwas about the Brewers, this
upcoming series, the Cubs series, to them, and what they had to
say was it was going to decidewhether the Brewers were buyers
or sellers at the trade deadline, this Cubs series on Tuesday

(41:51):
June 17th through Thursday June19th was going to decide if the
Brewers were buyers or sellers,and I was like, oh okay, like
that's a thought.
I mean, there's a lot of ballto be played left before we get
to the break there, before weget to the deadline.
I've said all the way along Ithink the Brewers should be toes

(42:17):
in the water, but not jumpingin.
I don't, I don't want to soundlike I'm a, I'm a hater, right,
because that's the way you getlabeled.
Then is your your?
Uh, you're just a fair weatherfan who only supports when
they're winning and that's whenyou go for the crazy stuff.
If the Brewers were actuallygoing to spend money, I'd be all

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in.
I think, honestly what?
Right now, the brewers need tomake a move because the giants
just got better.
They got ralph fayal devers.
You weren't going to go getdevers.
I hate people who are like oh,giants did this.
Why aren't the brewers doinganything?
They weren't going to go getdevers.
Are you crazy?
You see, that contract.
The Red Sox didn't even wantthat contract.
They didn't want that contractthe day after they signed it.

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But what I think the Brewersare lacking now is they got to
make some kind of movethemselves.
I don't think you're going to.
You never were going to getDevers, trust me, that wasn't
going to happen.
But Ryan McMahon's starting tohit better out there with
Rockies.
Find a guy like that, go make amove for a guy like that.
He's been hitting a lot.
I mean over the last I believe,a month he's been hitting like
278.

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The average doesn't show itbecause he did have a struggle
period, but for the last monthhe's been fantastic.
Bring in a guy like that Alittle, bringing a guy like that
a little bit of power.
Get on base for you.
You're missing power.
That wouldn't be a bad move.
Maybe call him and say, hey, doyou want Reese Hoskins?
I mean, it's an option.
You got guys like Andrew Vaughndown there coming into are going

(43:50):
to be in AAA when he gets there.
I don't know if he's there yetor if he's even played a game
yet with him down there, but youhave guys down there where you
could call.
Bobby Dahlbeck's been downthere for a while now.
Bobby Dahlbeck's been hitting266 down there in AAA and I know
I know some people don't likethe averages when they're
sitting at 266 because theyshould be hitting better when

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they're in the minors, but Imean's been solid this season,
284 across all of minor leaguebaseball this season.
I mean he's bobby dolbeck, Iknow he's got the ability, I
believe, to play third base too.
So right now he's listed onoutfield but he's got the
ability to play some infieldthere.
You have other guys down there,minors, who have been hitting

(44:32):
well.
I believe ernesto martinez, thefirst baseman's been been
hitting 260, 6'6".
He's huge.
He's an exciting prospect tolook at down there.
I don't think Tyler Black, Iknow, is back.
He hasn't really had a lot ofgames to talk about I think
three games, so he hasn't reallyhad a lot to talk about yet.
But I mean Tyler Black's downthere.
Eddie Rosario's down there.
He's batting 290 down there,left fielder.

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So maybe we see a guy likeeddie rosario come up at some
point.
The veteran down there, freddiezamora, has been fantastic.
This is a guy I don't know.
I don't know where.
Where are we at right?
The question is, where are youat right now?
If you're a burrow fan, are yougoing all in or you like half
in?
Because there's guys down therewho, like anthony siegler or
freddie zamora, right theshortstop and second baseman
down there, each one of themdang near batting, I believe,
both of them around 300 onesbatting two, 99.
If you're Siegler and the otherone's batting two 95, if you're

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Zamora, they're hitting solid.
So what I'm saying is is that,basically, end of the day, I'm
not, I'm not a complete seller.
I'm not going out there andsaying, hey, who wants Sal
Frelick?
Who wants Bryce Dering?
No way, no how, not a chance.
But I'm going out there andsaying, okay, this is going to
happen.
I believe it because theBrewers are a team that loves to

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trade guys who are right beforean option year, right before an
extension, freddie Peralta.
Brewers don't spend money,sorry, they don't.
So if there was a guy, a pitcher, on the staff that I believe
might be traded, freddie Peraltawould be my guess.
So Freddie would be apossibility to be on the books.
And then you're looking acrossHoskins could be another guy

(46:08):
where you can see him gettingmoved down from here pretty soon
.
Jake Bowers, I've heard him inthe rumblings a little bit there
.
I mean I can see guys like that.
If somebody calls about Yelich,I would definitely take the
phone call.
It's my Yelich.
Don't take it personally Yelichfans.
He drives me crazy sometimes.
But no, I mean I look acrossand I'm looking at all these

(46:31):
older veteran guys.
Maybe think about it.
Maybe if somebody does callabout William Contreras and they
give you a, they give you ahaul because you have a guy in
the minors by the name ofJefferson Quero, a fantastic
prospect, and he's hitting 273since coming back eight games
since coming back from injurythere and it's not like a huge
sample size, don't get me wrong,but he's starting to catch her.
I remember it was two years agoor a year ago down there in

(46:55):
spring training.
I it was two years ago or ayear ago down there in spring
training.
I mean I know it's springtraining, but the arm that he
has is fantastic.
He's a good defensive catcherand I mean the bats coming along
with them.
He's a top rated prospect inyour system.
Maybe you, if somebody callsabout William Contreras and they
give you a pretty good haul forhim back, maybe they give you a
third baseman or whatever I Iwouldn't be opposed to maybe

(47:16):
thinking about it, unless if youthink maybe William Contreras
could be a first baseman of thefuture, like maybe that's where
he would move over like hisbrother, but figure out how to
get out of the baseline, then Icould see excuse me there maybe
keeping a guy like WilliamContreras around.
But right now I just hate toblock off the young talent,
because what's Jefferson Cueroto you?
If he's just going to sit downthere?
I think he's got all thepotential in the world to be up

(47:38):
here pretty darn soon.
But you know, my question wouldbe too with William Contreras
would be he's hurt and we knowabout the finger.
What's a, what's a injured liststint.
Look like for him If he getswell.
I don't know what the surgeryspan is or anything like that,
but could he, would the restwith the injuries, the il stint
actually help him?
I I don't know, because rightnow it just doesn't seem like

(48:00):
he's him.
It doesn't seem like he's thesame guy at this very moment and
it could be because of thatinjury.
So it's just something tomonitor there.
But if to answer that question,long story short there, as I was
trying to hit the roundaboutway around the barn there, you
know I took 14 laps around theinside and I was supposed to be
on the outside, um, to take thatroundabout ways, I think they
have guys down there in theminors who could have the

(48:23):
potential to come up at somepoint here, and I would.
I would be okay if the brewersbecause I don't think you're
giving up if you you still havethe pitchers you're not trading
away the entire staff, right?
You got quinn priest Priester,you got Logan Henderson down
there in the minors, you gotJacob Mizorowski.
You're going to have guysbouncing around.
Woody's going to come backeventually.
Right, knock on wood, he'sgoing to be here eventually.
You're going to have those guyscoming in there.

(48:43):
It's just the Freddy Peraltasof the world.
You realistically think you canwin the world series this year?
If you don't realisticallythink you can win the world
series this year unless you makesome drastic moves, which we
know the brewers will probablynot do, unless they're planning

(49:04):
on making those drastic moves,like going all in, like I
believe they did in like 2018when they went all in and they
got guys like moose, and theygot guys, you know, in that
grouping.
I look at this and I say I'mokay with moving on from guys.

(49:24):
So am I a buyer or seller atthe deadline?
If this series goes one way oranother, if they win this series
or if they lose the series.
I'll be honest with you.
Right now I am in a ah, we'lltake phone calls.
I'll take phone calls onFreddie.
We'll take phone calls.
I'll take phone calls.
I'm freddy, I'll take phonecalls.
A lot of these guys see whatthey want for them.
I'm in that boat right now, nomatter what.

(49:45):
That's where I'm at, because Idon't know if it's a compete
year or not, but we'll.
We'll talk about that morelater.
I'll talk about it more later.
I want to hear what you guys gotto say.
715-990-4914.
That is 715-990-4914.
I'd love to hear what you guysgot to say about that.
Are the brewers coming off thatcub series?
Do you believe win or lose,that they're a buyer or a seller
?
When it's all said and donethere, if they win the series or

(50:05):
if they lose the series, doesthat dictate whether they are a
buyer or seller?
Are you in a different boat,like I am where you're?
You're kind of in that boat ofmoving on from guys regardless
of what happens.
Let me know what you thinkthere.
715-990-4914.
So when we come back, I want tohit a little bit more into some
of the news off the weekendthere.
I want to talk about that jairsituation, what we saw there,

(50:26):
the comments from his dad comingup the weekends there.
I want to talk about that.
So I want to get into that whenwe come back here from the
break.
We got a little bit more here.
We're going to wrap the hour.
We're going to come back afterthe hour there and then we're
going to talk to Kyle about theNBA Finals.
We're going to talk to Umar alittle bit later here about the
Packers, about this situationand everything else.
Then we've got to talk aboutthe Packers.
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(52:12):
Ummer's going to come out.
We're going to talk Packershere because we want to talk
about this Jair situation.
His dad coming out basicallysaying you know, the contract
proposal that they had for hisson in 2025 included no
guaranteed money and I mean Iwant to get Ummer's take on that
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(52:32):
That is 715-990-4914.
I've seen a lot of people saying, well, why would you sign a
contract if there's noguaranteed money and everything
like that?
And I get it.
I understand and this is whereI'm at with it.
I understand both sides of thecoin here.
I understand the people thatsay, well, why would you want to
play for a contract with noguaranteed money?
I understand where Jair'scoming from.
Why would you want to play forno guaranteed money?

(52:54):
But at the same time, why wouldyou want to guarantee a guy
money who's 7-8 games?
I ain't guarantee you 15, 18mil for playing.

(53:15):
You know 7-8 games.
Just, I mean it baffles me thatyou know Landis.
Landis Alexander's his name.
He said he'd been foolish totake.
It'd be foolish for the Packersto go into this and say, well,
you know we want to restructureyour deal, but all of it's going
to be incentive or it's notgoing to be incentive based.
We're going to guarantee youthis money.
Why?

(53:39):
Why would you guaranteeanything over the, the, what
you've seen over the past coupleyears?
You're not going to guaranteenothing if you're the packers.
If you're jair, you're lookingfor guaranteed money because
you're sitting there like, oh,I've been injured, how many
times now I want to make surethat I'm safe.
The thing with it is is thatit's been a week now.
Almost right, been a while, Ithink it's been a week.
Yeah, you're still out there.

(54:01):
The free agent now.
Is he just letting thelandscape settle?
Maybe, but I haven't heard thathe's met with teams, nothing
like that.
What's the market look like?
I heard that teams were justlining up at the door for when
the Packers would release them.
Finally, I think honestly, allthat this was, all this

(54:21):
restructure conversation was wasa last-ditch effort for the
Packers to basically get peopleto say what do you want for him
Quickly, like what do you wantfor him?
Nobody bid so it was just if hetakes it, he takes it, if he
walks away, he walks away.
They were half in the door,half out.
They were fine either way.
Now it does make you questionand this is where I want to get

(54:43):
with Omer when we talk to him alittle bit later.
It does really make youquestion the Packers' motives
down the road here.
What's their motive?
And a big question, and this isone that I heard I believe it
was over on lockdown Packers.
There I was listening to PeterBukowski over there and he he
basically said it doesn't feellike Goody may not be making

(55:03):
these moves because he doesn'tfeel like the Packers are close.
And I want to talk about that,because I heard him say that and
I was like, hmm, it'sinteresting, I wonder what, what
we can stir up in aconversation with that.
So I want to talk about that.
I want to talk about that.
I want to talk about nba finals.
I want to talk about everything.
We come back here.
So we are just getting to thetop of the hour.
We have a whole nother hourcoming up here.
Kyle's gonna stop by.
We're gonna talk nba finals.
We're gonna talk more nba, aswe got the drafts around the
corner too.
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So with me tonight here, albert, how we doing.
It's Wednesday, we're halfwaythrough the week again.
We're feeling good, I hoperight.
How's it going out there?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I can't complain, man , I can't complain.
Took off today and tomorrow I'mgoing to spend some time with
the wife and kids up in GreatWolf Lodge near me, so, looking
forward to that, and we're, youknow, kind of just going to take

(56:40):
our these next two days off andthen get back into the grind on
friday.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
So you know, having thursday off, you know for
juneteenth and stuff like that'spretty cool, but it sucks
because it's in the middle ofthe week.
So go just.
You know that's weird, that'syeah, get through the week.
You gotta just take friday off,like I thought about it.
I thought about it, but odd youmight be the most oddest like
vacation I've ever heard in mylife was taking off wednesday
and thursday I'll you on Fridayboys and I'd be like why are you
?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
coming back on.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Friday, yeah, why, but for real.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
I've moved all my meetings from Wednesday and
Thursday to Friday.
So I'm like, all right, well, Ijust need to just light it up
and some folks I told some folksto take off, you know, just
enjoy the long weekend, right.
So yeah, just crazy times atwork.
Right now he's a dedicated man.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
That's what we're getting out of this umber is a
dedicated man and that's all weneed to know.
So goodness we have.
We have a lot of stuff we don't.
We don't have a lot to talkabout.
Like you know, we're waitingfor training camp and everything
ot.
We're waiting for everything tohappen right right, but there's
always stuff to talk about.
It seems like with jair it'sstill he's in the news with the
packers over this last week.

(57:36):
So I want to talk about that alittle bit, because we did hear
landis alexander come out andtalk.
I didn't know his dad's namewas landis, but yeah, landis
alexander.
And he basically said you knowthe packers and and we were kind
of wondering the whole time,well, what was the contract
proposal?
Right, we had no idea.
Well, landis kind of broke theice for us.
He let us know what happenedBasically, no guaranteed money

(57:58):
and I said, honestly, thinkingabout it, I'm fine with that,
because what did you wantguaranteed?
And I get you know Alexanderwants to guarantee his future
and everything like that.
Okay, go out there and prove itthis year, go out and prove it
one year and then go get yourbig contract after this year,
because the Packers only wantedyou for one more.
It wasn't like they're signingyou long term with no guaranteed

(58:19):
money.
It was this year and then doneOut the door.
I really think and my opinionwas going to the break was this
was a last ditch effort for thePackers to say, hey, other teams
out there, we're trying to signthem back.
Do you want them?
Yet it was one last ditcheffort to say that and then
after that they were like okay,do you want the deal?
No, okay, bye.

(58:39):
It was basically one last.
Here you go, and if you don'twant it, I'm sorry, but see you
later.
We, we, just we.
We can't guarantee you money.
And it it's so hard toguarantee a guy even seven to
eight mil for seven games likewhat are you gonna pay him a
million dollars a game like?
Is that how it's all gonnafigure out?
He's been a consistent seven toeight game guy over the past
couple of years.
If he was okay, 14 one year andthen seven, okay.

(59:01):
It's a different story.
We're talking about aninstrumental position where the
Packers they don't want to payall that money.
They can use that moneyelsewhere.
Now, who knows what they'regoing to do with it?
We'll wait.
And I mean, amr, what are yourthoughts on what the contract
was?
What the contract they offeredwas?
I mean I don't have a problemwith it.
From Gutekind's end.

(59:22):
I can see where Jair was upsetwith it, I can.
Or where they were upset waslike no guaranteed money.
They think they're worth more.
I get that, but at the sametime, you got to look at it from
the business standpoint of youhaven't been reliable.
That's kind of where we're atright now.
So what?
What were your thoughts comingoff hearing this news from
landis and everything like thatand what the contract proposal
was that we were waiting to hear?

Speaker 2 (59:42):
I mean, when it comes down to it, reminds me a lot of
what they did to jordy, like onhis last year.
They basically offered him thevet minimum and we're just they
basically just showing him thedoor, and I think with jair
they're doing the same thing.
I don't think they had anyintention of resigning him.
I don't think they wanted to.
I don't think they want to dealwith the headache or him
healthy, not healthy things likethat.
I think the most upsettingthing for me as a fan which I
think a lot of folks saw on myTwitter was the fact that if you

(01:00:03):
knew this was going to be adecision, you knew you're going
to do this.
There was no point in playingthe games drafted with Trey Amos
in mind, or maybe last yeartaking some guys in the draft,
when we had two drafts that arevery heavily focused on
defensive backs.
I feel it looks veryhaphazardly done because it's

(01:00:25):
like, all right, you wait untilliterally the 11th hour to say,
all right, we're going to offeryou this contract that really
isn't really anything and thenyou're basically going to push
them out anyways.
And, like I said, they did thesame thing with Jordy.
They offered him a vet minimum.
He was going to take it andthen until Rodgers and James
Jones told him hey, man, youneed to go somewhere else and
get your money's worth.
And so Jair's probably doingthe same thing too.
Now, the fact he hasn't signedwith anybody I think he just

(01:00:49):
kind of weighed on his options.
I do remember on Tuesday TVthey're waiting.
He could be waiting fortraining camp because it's
better to go to a team that hasa need instead of just going to
any team that's offering youanything, because you don't know
what they're going to do.
Again, we know that he wasprobably being told that he has
to play for free, or probablyclose to a vet minimum and no
guarantees and stuff like that.
I feel like, again, from agoody goody comes perspective a

(01:01:10):
little disingenuous, is likelook, you could have given him a
contract that wasincentive-based.
There was some talk that mighthave been the case At the day.
It just reminds me too much ofJordy, and I was still hurt by
that.
I felt like in that year in 2018, when we were out there with
Jimmy Graham instead of Jordy, Ithink we could have probably
made another run, because Ithought Jordy and Roger still
had that connection.
Adams wasn't going to go awaybecause of that.

(01:01:34):
In this case J, you knowavailability is the best,
ability wasn't really available.
Maybe they were done with all,just the whole, the whole
picture of it, right when itcomes to the whole cap, making
himself a captain and havingissues with the training camp,
having issues with injuries,having issues with just certain
personality things and the dayit's done over with.
I saw Lamar Jackson spoke today.

(01:01:55):
He was talking about bringinghim in and that he says he
taught he talked to eric, tocostas, like go get jair, go get
him.
I think that would be the bestthing.
He gets out of the conferencecompletely we'll still see him
at the end of the year and hegets to go play with a super
bowl contender and his bestfriend from college, right, so I
think that would be good.
But again, it just if you knewthis, with the direction you're

(01:02:16):
going to go, which it seems likethey did, then I feel like the
way they've drafted the last twoyears just doesn't make any
sense to me.
Because you know you did pickup nate hobbs.
You know you got.
You know kaylin king andmichael robinson and you know
there's some.
You know you've picked upcertain players but at the day,
like, are you really banking onthe kind of jumps from you know
Keyshawn and Valentine and youknow hoping that you know Buller

(01:02:39):
can lock down a role in theslot?
Possibly?
I just you know what I'm sayingit's just a little.
It's a lot of questions thereright now.
But again, that's the decisionthey made.
We have to live with it.
I just didn't really agree withthe process that they use.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
That leads me into my question for you for the day.
That leads me right into itbecause I was listening over on
lockdown Packers, peter Bukowski, and sometimes I listen to
Peter and it's like Peter settledown.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
And then sometimes I listen to Peter and he does, and
he sometimes he goes way toodeep in the analytics.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
He's like, well, this is this and this, and I'm like
Peter, I don't need to know allthose analytics right now I know
, is that they're stinking.
That's all I need to know.
I don't even know why they'restinking, but anyways.
So, peter, I thought he had apretty good take, and this leads
right into what you're saying.
I want to talk about it here.
You know the way that this allwent down sloppy.
Then you know, and you're inwhat you're saying there, it's
kind of like a sloppy.

(01:03:29):
It didn't seem like they werereally.
You know why didn't we go on addpieces?
Why didn't we go on ad pieces?
Why didn't we go after guys inthe draft?
What was, what was?
You know the reasoning andeverything like that.
And was it that he had faith inthe guys in the room?
Good, it can't have faith inthese guys in the room.
I don't know, but does it kindof feel like Goody Is it?
Is it that he doesn't?
You know cause?

(01:03:49):
I heard this was.
Do you feel like the Goodybelieves the Packers aren't that
close?
Because if you felt like youwere close, right.
Because if I feel like I'mclose, say I'm watching the
Brewers right now.
Say I'm the GM of the Brewers,matt Arm, and I know the Brewers
don't spend money, but this ishow it should probably happen,
right?
If you feel like you're close.
You get to the trade deadline.

(01:04:10):
You're going to add a piece ortwo.
Right, you're going to add bigpieces, whatever it is, maybe a
big bat, maybe you're going toadd some bullpen relief, maybe
both, maybe you need both.
You're going to add bothFootball.
Maybe you're going to add adepth piece in the secondary.
You're going to add a big-timepass rusher, or you're going to
add whatever it is Goodikens hasit.
And if you're sitting therewith the cap space that you have

(01:04:33):
and I understand you want toextend extensions and everything
like that, I get that.
You want to extend guys, Iunderstand all that.
But you're in a pretty goodspot right now and you aren't
even in the rumblings.
You haven't been in therumblings, the rumblings, but
not the rumblings.
Right, you get in the Giannisrumblings, where you got ESPN
telling you that he's going 1500places, and then Giannis goes

(01:04:54):
out and says I, I, you know whatis Shams talking about, right?
now Like it's like the, thePackers are in these rumblings
but at the same time they're not.
They're not getting anybody.
They're always there, they'realways in the talks.
Right, the brewers like thesame with the brewers.
I can compare it to the brewersall the time.
They're always in theconversation for this guy.
We just didn't get him.
So does it feel and I want toknow from you does it feel like

(01:05:18):
maybe Goody's like, ah well,this is as close as we are, and
if the guys in the room make itwork, they make it work, and if
they don't, well, he can't blameme for going, you know,
grabbing all these piecesbecause, well, it didn't.
Is the guys here?
I mean, where are you kind ofat with that Like it?
Just, I could see it from bothways when Goody's like I don't

(01:05:40):
know if we're that close yet,right, we have too many young
pieces or too many pieces thataren't there yet, or is it?
Well, I trust the guys.
Where are you thinking rightnow?

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I think there was some credence to that.
If we were like a you know a 6and you know 6 and you know 12
team, or if we were a losingteam or we hadn't made the
playoffs the last two years, wedidn't.
You know, last year we, youknow, won the wild card game.
We got to divisional.
We were literally maybeprobably a field goal away from
going to nfc championship game,right, and last year, if

(01:06:11):
anything, injuries is whatreally did us in.
Uh, I feel like when you are agreen bay packer front office
guy, when you're a fan, whenyou're a player, you're not
talking about division titles.
You're not talking about, youknow, nfc championship
appearances.
You're talking about super bowl, to talk about championships,
right.
And I feel like if goody ishaving any kind of thoughts like
that, then he's the wrong manfor the job.

(01:06:31):
I know that's a littlehyperbolic, but my thing is like
the reason why we as fans getupset because you do see other
teams that make certain moves tokind of take you over that step
, that hump, right.
And you know, the packers havebuilt very good teams in their
whole existence like there's nodenying that.
But the fact is that we've hada drought now since 2010, and

(01:06:55):
that 2010 team was pretty good,but it wasn't like it was by any
means.
People thought it was a concernto be ready, right, like we had
like 15 players in ir.
We literally had the bottom ofthe roster playing a lot and
people guys that you knowbrandon chiller and freaking
harold green and other guys thatjust came in off the street and
were able to produce and helpus get to the Super Bowl, right,

(01:07:17):
and my question is, as a GM, ifyou're already thinking that
your team isn't there and herewe are in June, then what have
you been doing, like what haveyou been doing with your drafts
and your pickups?
And I understand, we have capmoney and you want to sign your
own guys, which is fine, I getthat.
But I'm saying, too, though,like of cap money and you want

(01:07:42):
to sign your own guys, which isfine, I get that.
But on the same hand too,though, like going all in is
like the way the saints got intothe cap.
You know, heck, that they'vebeen in right, and then they're
never going to get out of forprobably next five, ten years.
They're going to be in thereforever.
I don't want us to do stufflike that, but there are certain
things that they could do.
I feel like, as a you know,like that year when they went
and just snuck in and got JuliusPeppers, you know, and it was
just something that no oneexpected to happen and just
happened, and, honestly, when hewas there, we had two teams

(01:08:02):
literally had three teams thatcould have won the Super Bowl
that all his, his whole time inGreen Bay.
We could have had a team.
Each one of those teams couldwin the Super Bowl.
And so me personally, when I seehis inaction in certain areas,
when I see him not investing incertain positions that we as
fans or everybody else can seethat he probably should, it does
make you kind of question,right.
And then now, with the new guyand the new sheriff in town,

(01:08:25):
with Ed Policy, you have now aguy who probably didn't have any
buy-in on the floor, didn'thave any buy-in on Goody, and
he's been with the organizationsince 2012,.
Right, so he's seen the Packerskind of go and he comes from a
pedigree of his father basicallybeing in charge of the San
Francisco 49ers when they wonfive Super Bowls, so he might

(01:08:45):
have a short lease.
He even said that he has one ofyour lame duck years.
He doesn't want to have theseguys going through the final
year of their contracts havingto worry about top security.
So basically he's telling him,hey look, contracts having to
worry about top security.
So basically he's telling him,hey look, if you guys get the
job done this year, then you'regonna get extended and if not,
then I really don't know what'sgonna happen.
And I and I think that you knowthat whole sense of urgency
that gutekin said last year ormaybe the end of this year,

(01:09:07):
right when the end of the seasonor whatever.
You know that that might be alittle bit more for him than you
really think, because right nowif you're going to go into this
season with the defensive linethe way it is and with the
secondary the way it is, it's alittle.
It's a little concerningbecause on offense you do see
competition up and down,literally that roster on this on
that side, except quarterback,everybody else and I mean even

(01:09:29):
then.
You're looking at the taylorixma guy and you're looking at
malik willis.
They're, they're, they'rebaiting.
You know, sean, whatever,clifford, they're all battling
for position number three.
But truth is like, if you go upand down, everyone has to be
fighting for a position.
I mean, you got Miko Hartmancoming out there making plays
and we didn't think he's goingto make the team.
So I think that there might besome credence to what Pukowski

(01:09:50):
is saying.
But at the end of the day, like, if you aren't preparing to try
to go to the Super Bowl everysingle year, then you are
definitely the wrong person forthe job Hands down.
We're not here building goodteams to be division winners and
to make the playoffs and getknocked out.
No, we're here to getchampionships.
That's what we're known for.

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The Lombardi is named after ourhead coach.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Like, I'm sorry, like there's no excuses for that,
like, if that's the case, thenhe might be out next year,
though the thing that worries mewith gutekens is that I feel
like he always tries to be thesmartest guy in the room yes,
that's it I mean, we're goinginto the season, like you said,
and that's where.
That's where I can kind of seewhat uh peter's saying there
with his comment is.
You look at him going into thisseason and you have a defensive

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line, like you do.
You let Jair basically walkaway and you have what's your
plan in the secondary?
I have no idea what's Bullardgonna do.
What's your?
What's your plan out there?
You know, as Kalen King, he'sin a cast like who's gonna be
your guys?

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
at this point I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
I have no idea, and you know, if you're expecting
Keyshawn Nixon's gonna bequarterback one, okay, but you
better have a good defensiveline then and you better pray
that Lucas Van Ness is going tostep up and Kenny Clark's going
to come back and Rashawn Gary isgoing to be a dude again.
I mean, it's, it's a lot oflike.
Oh, I hope that this happens,and that's my worry with
Gutekinds is that I feel likeyou're not making those, those,

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those moves right.
When you went out and got a guylike smith or you got a guy you
know they got.
You had zedarius, you gotpreston.
You had two pretty good passrushers.
Then you went on got juliuspeppers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Jul, I mean rasul douglas is sitting out there
right now I mean, I understandhe had a bad year, but I bring
him in, why not?

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
like why not?
I mean this guy he blossomedreggie berry.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
That's fine, but you're telling me you halfly
can't do something with him.
Like I don't know.
I just it's just using bullmelton as a cornerback, which I
think he probably can do it.
But again it's like sometimesyou're kind of thinking like
what, what are we doing rightnow?
Like it just seems like we'reoverthinking simple yeah, we're
thinking simple.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
You have cap room to bring in rasul douglas like it's
not like he's gonna demand thefarm from you next season.
It You've got the money for aguy like that.
You have the money for these nothuge pass rushers that you
could bring in for just depthpieces.
When, hey, maybe Lucas Van Nessdoesn't work out, I can put
somebody in there.
But it seems like you're atthis point right now where
you're like, okay, I've got tosee if my draft picks work,

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because if they don't, well, Ijust wasted how many years, I
mean you see what they weredoing about Josh Myers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
We talk about that all the time, where every single
year they're blowing smoke up.
You know our tailpipe tellingus oh hey, man, he's going to
get better, he's going to getbetter.
Well, guess what he never did?
Now he's literally a second orthird string center in the Jets
right now.
Right, he's not even startingover there.
He can't even beat Tippman out.
So I mean, my question is islike these gms?
That's one thing I didappreciate about ron wolf,

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because when he realized he madea crappy pick, he didn't waste
time, he cut that and kept itmoving.
Gutekunst does not likeadmitting that he made mistakes.
No, gm, does I get that?
But you're going to keep aroster spot because of fact you
drafted someone in the firstround, second round, knowing
that they're not really livingup to that pedigree and they're
making your team worse, notbetter, like the whole gyre
thing is.
Oh, we're getting addition bysubtraction.

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Because the fact that he hasn'tplayed a full season in three
years, okay, fine.
Or two years, okay, all right.
But what is your?
What's your?
You know, corresponding movenate hops okay, well, he doesn't
.
He has a hard time stayinghealthy too, so that, okay,
kishan, who was an undraftedfree agent, who's definitely
basically gone, the Sam Shieldsand, like you know, the um, you

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know Tremont Williams route oflike being this guy who was,
like you know, basically noteven drafted to now he's a
starting corner.
I think that's great.
But again, what was the thingyou just said?
If you're gonna have a guyslike that out there, you need I
don't care if you have DarrellRivas and you have you, you know
Doug Evans out there, craigNewsome, I don't care who it is
out there your front seven hasto get pressure.

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Your front seven has to apply ablitz and be able to be able to
disrupt the quarterbacks.
If not, the secondary is goingto be out there all day running.
I remember I was watchinghighlights of Caleb Williams in
that last game against us and,yeah, we were getting pressure
with Devontae Wyatt but he wasable to run out and eventually
make completions and I'm sorry,but quarterback's going to be
able to do that.

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If you can't get pressure withfour or generate any kind of
pass rush and right now, yeah,I'm not very confident in that I
think us banking on Covingtonmaking that big of a change.
I'm hoping that's the case, butI'm not holding my breath.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
It's like looking at it right now.
My biggest question would befor the secondary who's your
boundary corners?

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
yeah, I don't have.
I have no idea.
I have no idea.
It's like up there right likehe's supposed to quarterback one
, but I don't trust that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Are you gonna throw kishan out there on aj brown and
hope that he shuts him down fora game?
Come on, that ain't happening,it's just.
I I don't think that there's.
Honestly, is there a guy?
I'm looking at some of the topwide receivers and you look at
the schedule and some of thematchups that they're going to
have and I'm looking at the guysthat they're going to face?

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
It's like who's going to?

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
be the boundary corners in those games.
It's going to be a shutdown.
Is it Valentine?
Is Valentine going to be a guy?
I have no idea.
It's like there's so manyquestion marks.
Like I thought about this pointand I'm like maybe he's right.
Is that if Gutekinds felt likewe were that close, wouldn't he
say to himself I don't feel likewe have a boundary corner at
the moment?

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Maybe I go and get a dog, maybe I go and get a guy.
Right now I'm hoping that abunch of rookies and a bunch of
second year guys figure it outand that's a whole.
And, like I'm saying, with thisoffense, when you've got an
offense that looks like it'sgoing to be flowing like this,
you're going to be the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I mean yeah, your bases are going to outscore
everybody, yeah exactly, it'shard.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
I mean they're not going to be the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Their defense will be fine, I'm not saying that
they're going to be terrible.
My defense was terrible lastyear, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
I'm not saying they, yeah, they're going to be a
little bit.
They're going to be a bend, butdon't break.
But do you have a shutdowndefense that when you get
against a team like the Eaglesor something like that, can you
hold them?
Yeah, can you get a stop?
And that's a question, becauseyou have guys like Quay Walker,
who's a question mark, devontaeWyatt, who's a question mark.
What does Rashawn Gary give you?

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Lucas Van Ness, he's got amental block, got so many
question marks up and down, andup and down this defense and
it's like I, I like these guys,I like some of the guys they
have.
I mean edgar cooper is like.
If you looked at the defenseright now, it's like who do you
like?

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
yeah, edgar cooper, I like edgar cooper I like xavier
mckinney.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
I like evan williams, but sometimes he gets torched.
I like jamian bullard, but hegets torched.
I like keishon nixon he's ahard hitter but he gets torched.
It's like quay walker I likehim in past coverage, but
outside of that I sometimes he'sjust non-factor.
I just I'm looking across andit's like, who do you trust on
your defense?
And then maybe there's two orthree guys right now where I'm

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like.
Maybe only two where I'm likethose guys.
I got right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Isaiah mcduffie is a guy who's in the right spot yeah
, he, just, he, just, he's justlike he's a try hard guy, right,
that's it yeah outside of thathe's just.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
I mean, I don't know I, he's a special teams guy
who's just a right spot guy, buthe's not a big play guy.
He's just a solid dude, a soliddepth piece.
But if you're trusting him tobe that guy, I we're not, we're
not there.
So I, I don't know.
I I can see what peter's saying.
Like I said, I don't think thedefense is just going to
completely suck.
But when I look at this and Ilook at what Goody's telling me,

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it's like if I'm Ed Policy,because we saw what he had to
say and I want to talk.
Do you have time for a?

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
little bit of another segment here, do you have?

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
time for a little bit of another segment, okay, okay,
we'll come back.
We'll talk about the Ed policycomments, because I want to get
into that, because Ed policysaid he's not going to meddle in
the football stuff.
But I think he's going tomeddle in the football stuff
here because I think, with whatwe're seeing right now, good
against if he puts all of hiscards she's putting all his
chips on the table right nowwith these, with his roster and

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if it all blows up in his face.
I mean, like you said and likeeverybody knows, ed Policy had
nothing to do with the hiring ofBrian Goodkins or Matt LaFleur.
So what would Ed Policy do?
I don't know.
We'll come back.
We're going to hit a quickbreak.
We're going to come back.
Auburn's going to stick around.
We're going to talk a littlebit more Packers, because I want
to get to those comments therefrom Ed Policy a little bit here
.
So we'll be right back.

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We'd love to hear what you haveto say tonight on this
beautiful wednesday here in thegreat state of wisconsin.
We've had a lot of too muchrain, too much rain over the
past couple days here, buthopefully that goes away here as
the weekend approaches.
Supposed to get hot.
So it's getting hot and we gotsome hot news right.
Ed policy is coming in.
We saw Mark Murphy.
He kind of did that little sendoff there with the team and
broke them down Last time.
You know one, two, threeSuperbowl, and you know he's out

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the door anyway.
So it's like, yeah, you okay,bye, but anyways.
Anyways, ed policy, he was ondoing some interviews there and
I mean, what'd you have to thinkabout some of the comments that
Ed policy was making?
And I believe he was on Fox 11,the news station there, and
then he had another interviewthere.
What were some of your thoughtsabout some of the comments that

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he had in those interviews?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
I mean you could tell he definitely was very had a
lot of high praise for a goodaccounts and for the floor.
He thinks you're doing a greatjob.
He's very appreciative of thesuccess that they have actually
worked, of the success that theyhave actually brought together.
As being GM head coach, he alsowas talking about how his three
main goals is to havesuccessful winning teams,

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keeping the Green Bay Packers inGreen Bay and still even doing
more within the community.
Strengthening the community andPacker Nation kind putting this
guy, like you know, moreadvancement to title town,
adding to that and just makingsure that the community has more
, um, I guess, juststrengthening that bond between
the packers and the community.
So I think he he has his headin the right track.

(01:20:07):
I do know.
But after he said those thingshe kind of got more generalistic
about the way he was commentingon things.
Every single beat writer spokeand all this.
But to kind of summarize it, uh, basically he was talking about
how he doesn't like havingcoaches and, um, his uh front
office people in lame duck years, meaning that he doesn't want
to have them wait until the lastyear of their deal to decide if

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they're going to keep them ornot.
So he wants to get extensionsdone in advance and both good
accounts and the floor did signextensions and they have two
years left on their extension.
So I feel like, without himdirectly saying it, he's
basically saying hey, you guysaren't gonna be lame duck guys,
if you guys do a great year thisyear, then you're probably
gonna get extended again.
Right now, the definite and but,the definition of that is what

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does that mean?
You know, an nfc championshipgame appearance.
Does that mean a super bowlappearance?
I mean a super bowl win.
What does it mean?
And you and me both can agreethat last year was extremely
disjointed green bay packers.
You know there was noconsistency.
You know there's no.
Basically, from week to weekyou never really know what
you're going to get andunfortunately you can say you

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can chalk up to injuries, youcan chalk up to so many
different.
I think him coming in, himhaving the pedigree that he has,
him being with the organizationfor over 13 years, and then his
father being such a real bigdeal when he was in the 49ers
and the Browns, I feel like it'sone of those things where you
know he's probably going to havea short leash but on the same
hand too, how is his involvementgoing to change?

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Because right now the way itwas working was back in the day
with Bob Harlan.
You had a Harlan at the top asthe president, and then you had
the GM, like Ted Thompson, whobasically just had all
controller football operations,right, and the head coach
reported to the GM, and thenMurphy recently you know, after
all the silos and all thecraziness that gone on with Ted
Thompson, his final years, withhim being sick and things like

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that they basically made it towhere the coach, the GM and the
VP Ross oh what's my man's name?
What's the VP of finance?

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Oh goodness, Name's slipping me.
It's something, Isn't it Ross?
Anyways anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Yeah, ross Ball, ross Ball, ross Ball basically all
now reported president.
So the question is Ed Paul isgoing to keep that same
structure that was a structurethat kind of got made fun of a
lot because it got a trianglekind of thing right or is he
going to go back to the originalstructure?
I'm kind of hoping he goes backto the original structure.
He did say that he's going totry to start attending more
practices and get more involvedin the football aspect of things
, but really his primary focusis just basically working on the

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outside and letting thefootball people handle football
things Again.
That's what he said with Rock,that's what he said with Dominic
Yates.
I kind of do want to see overthese next six months how much
that changes and it'll beinteresting.
Like I said, he's a new sheriffin town.
You know Ed has.
He's not a new guy, he's beenwith the organization forever
now, so it's like he knows how1265 and how the packers work.

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Question is, is everybody kindof wants sometimes people, if
it's not broken they don't fixit, which I think is a good
thing, right or they want to puttheir own spin on things, and
it'll be interesting to see whatkind of spin.
That is right, because privateequity is really lately been
making a big push in the nflbuying up teams, buying up
shares and things like thatwhere you kind of wonder, like

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you know, it's a fight that thePackers are going to keep
fighting to make sure thatthey're one team that isn't
owned by anybody except by thefans.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Yep, Yep, no, and you know the hard the hard part is
going to be.
How involved do you want to seethem?
That's a big question.
I have to see him at the at theend of the day I'm like I, I
don't okay, I don't want to gofull of Jerry Jones on us here
and just go completely.
Just, you know ballistic and Irun the team, you know
everything.
I don't want to go Jerry Jonesstyle on it, but I, I would be

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okay if he, because I want tosee you know the experience get
better and that's what attracts,like the draft coming to Green
Bay and the huge draftexperience that they had, and I
think you have to have all thatstuff.
But at the same time I don'twant him to be in this spot
where he's like oh Gutekens, heknows what he's doing and then
you just keep going throughthese lame duck years.
Right, he said a point blank.
I don't want lame duck years and, like you said, what does that

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look like?
And honestly, I'm looking atand I'm saying you gotta get at
some point.
Matt lafleur has got to take ateam past the nfc championship.
He's been there how many times?
If jordan loves your guy, yougotta find a way to get him past
that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Yeah, you can't I mean, you're your title time,
you are the packers.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
You're not.
You're title town, you are thePackers.
You're not the Bears.
You're not the Vikings.
You're not the Cowboys, you'rethe Packers.
You're technically according tomost Americans who aren't major
sport, the Cowboys areAmerica's team according to
major sport.
According to everybody else,it's the Packers.
Right, the Packers are when youthink about football.
When you're in a foreign land,you think about football.

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You're in a foreign land, youthink about football.
You're thinking packers.
You don't think cowboys, unlessthey push that on you.
But either way and I'm atpolicy I I love that going to
practices seeing how it's ran,because he's been in the
organization.
Maybe he doesn't know all aboutfootball but he understands and
he's got enough.
Probably he's got enoughcontacts out there where he can
call up a guy you know, sayanybody you know, I don't know

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who, uh, what's his name?
from new england patriots foryears there, robert craft right
yeah he did a pretty good jobbuilding up a pretty good
organization, you know, winningchampionships, everything like
that.
Call him up, say, hey, what doyou think about this?
What do you think about the wayit's going right now?
Do we have to does?
Does my gm have too much faithin these guys that he's drafting
that?
Maybe I should be like hey, youknow, figure it out, or maybe

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go out and spend some money.
That's the thing is like rightnow.
We have good kids and we haveMatt LaFleur making these
decisions.
Decisions right now.
Yeah, words are tough.
Tonight.
You had some trouble with words.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
I'm at yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
But you have, you have good kids.
Matt La decisions.
I mean, have a guy like thatpolicy in there.
A third opinion, right, becauseat this very moment are we
sitting here like, oh, I thinkgutekitz has made all the moves
that we wish he would have now?
Not at all.
I mean we're.
We're saying rasul douglas.
I mean I've heard people sayjalen ramsay, and at this point
I wouldn't even hate jalenramsay, because then it would at
least look like we're doingsomething right now it looks

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like we're sitting we'restagnant and we're just hoping
that it works and I, I hatehoping.
Trust me if, if you know me, youknow I love.
I love the brewers and I lovethe badges.
Right, and the brewers are ateam that hopes and prays more
than anybody.
Oh, this guy hit 120 last year,but but five years ago he hit
250 with 40 bombs, so hopefullyhe starts doing it again.

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We're playing this hope andpray game right now and I hate
that the eagles aren't hopingand praying.
They got a darn good roster.
Yep, you look across the leaguethe chiefs.
The chiefs find ways everysingle year.
San francisco is adding therams are getting good.
I mean the lions, they lostcoaches but they didn't lose
pieces.
They're adding pieces.
The vikings added pieces onthat defense.
The bears added pieces on theoffensive line I'm not saying

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those, all the teams are goingto figure it out and they still
still got JG McCarthy runningquarterback, but they all added
pieces and they all got better.
And that's where I'm like didwe get better over the off
season?
Did the greenback Packers getbetter?
I, it depends who you ask right, yeah, exactly.
Did they get young guys who youthink could develop into pretty
good weapons?
Yes, do I trust that the guysthey got for the defense are

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going to take the defense overthe top?
If we're believing in that,we're crazy.
And if that's what Gutekinds isbanking on, that's where I'm
like.
I don't know.
I'm like are you at policyright now?
If you're okay, say you're atpolicy.
Gutekinds tells you, going intothe season, we don't need to
spend any more cap money.
We don't need to spend any morecap money.
Man, I trust my guys, theseguys.

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I drafted Van Ness's of theworld, everything like that.
Covington's telling me they'regood, halfley's like let's go
get them boys, he likes them, solet's do it right.
If you're at policy and youwatch this defense where it's
like they can't get a pass rush,maybe they finish top 10 in all

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these statistical categories,like the green bay packers of
2010, because that defense waswhipping right.
This defense that you put adefense from last year, they're
like oh, it's top 10 and this,this and this.
But you put that intocomparison from what we've seen
from charles woodson, claymatthews and the boys back in
2010 not even in the sameballpark of what we saw back
then you had game records.
Bj rajji was on that defensiveline.
Where's your bj rajji right?

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
where's your game changer?
I mean, he's kate clark, buteven then, though he's not, you
know, we're hoping that theinjury was the issue why he
played so poorly last year,right so?

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
yep, yep, no.
So I mean, if you're at policyis, is your leash, what's your
leash?
I'm gonna end it with that.
What's your leash on gutekitzon the floor?
What's that leash like?
How long is it and how long doyou let it go before you get
involved?

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
yeah, exactly, yeah, because it's like if, if we're
just it's like being okay withmediocrity and I understand that
that's a, it's a very extremeway of looking at it but it's
like if we're going year by year, we have all this hope for the
team, but then we're not.
We're seeing these other teamsmake some moves and the thing is
like when you're seeing teamslike the eagles make those moves

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, they're actually goingsomewhere with it.
Right, it's not like they'rejust making moves and that way
they just won the chip andhonestly, but they and they were
in the chip two years ago andlast year they got knocked out
but it was because of injuriesmore than anything else.
But the truth be told, likethey consistently don't only
just make moves in free agency,but they also make moves in the
draft too.

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They trade up and get guys, youtrade back, they work up and
down the board to find guys thatwill get them to the next spot.
Right, and I understand likesometimes they make picks that
are like name brand picks, butnine times out of ten those name
brand picks are working andthen you got, like you just said
, the packers will sometimes belike well, we're the smartest
people in the room, we're gonnaget this guy who normally people

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would have got in the fifth orsixth round.
We're gonna get him you know inround two, right, yeah?
Or we're gonna get you know now.
It did work out with evanwilliams.
Evan williams, the consensussix round pick.
They got him in the fourth andhe turned out to be a pretty
good player.
So there's, they've been hits,so we gotta give him his credit.
But when it comes to the firstsecond rounds, your guarantees.
That hasn't been the case, andso I'm with you.

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I'm looking forward to seeing,because I've heard ed speak a
lot.
I've watched all thedocumentaries of the packers.
You know existence and history.
I've heard him speak on otherevents too.
So he's a he's a very eloquentman and he knows his stuff and
you could tell he doesn't try toact like he knows everything.
He's a heck of a lot more tamerthan Mark Murphy was.

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Mark Murphy was great, but hesometimes said the quiet part
out loud more often than heshould have.
I don't see Ed Policy doingthat Also.
Ed Policy is only 54 years oldand the mandatory retirement is
70.
So he could be here for another16 years.
You never know right.
So it'll be interesting to seejust what comes of it.

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Ed Policy starts beginning ofJuly, so here in a couple weeks,
right.
So I'm looking forward toseeing what kind of stamp or
impact he's going to put on thisteam.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
I agree, I can't wait .
You know, sometimes it'sanother voice in the room that
kind of changes things and it'sjust an opinion, right Good, it
doesn't have to see it as athreat.
You just got to see it as anopinion in that room to him,
because I it's.
It's the age-old question withGutekinds Does the hits in the
late rounds outweigh thenot-so-good picks in the early
rounds?
Because now you lost Jair,right?

(01:31:21):
So the early round picks forGutekinds are out the door.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Basically, it's just Jordan right now, at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
So it's like I mean until Jordan takes you to the
Super Bowl, right, and MattLaFleur and that man will come
up there, then you hit, butuntil that happens.
You're just a regular seasondude, you're just a stat putter
up there, exactly so I mean it'sBecause your other first round
pick.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Savage is gone, right .
Jair is gone.
Savage is gone.
Rashawn is there, but we'll seewhat happens to Rashawn right.
Then you got Jordan, then yougot Van Ness.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Van Ness, who not good, right, nope or sorry, he
just hasn't hit his potentialyet, even though he was a right
and then, and then you got uh,then you got georgia boys yeah,
quay, you got devonta wyatt.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Devonta wyatt, a 24 year old prospect who people
weren't even thinking when yougo to first round.
And then quay, I did see thatthat was was fine.
Then Jordan Morgan, who anotheryou know late round pick, who
coming off ACL injury, again,you know, playing, just making
picks that you think.
I don't know it just sometimesit's like it's like they're
overthinking it or they're notthinking hard enough.

(01:32:28):
I don't know what it is Right.
And then you know, this year,you know we, you know matthew
golden was obviously the rightpick.
That I don't, that I'm notgoing to complain about, because
for him to go he was a top 15prospect, for us to get him in
the 20s, I'm not going to arguewith that.
I like, I like the other guys,but those guys are taken.
So it's like okay, fine, right,uh.
But again, if somehow goldenhits and rashaan can also,

(01:32:54):
rashaan needs to get back toform because you know I'm saying
like he tore his acl and he hada really bad injury.
So I'm kind of wondering if ittook him a little bit longer to
get back than we thought.
Right, maybe it's a two-yearthing instead of one year thing.
So it'll be interesting to see,just going forward, what's
going to occur?
Right, because that belt andpick is still throwing me off
man.
I understand he's a dancingbear and this and that, but but
still just Trey Amos was on thegame.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
I won't try to understand it, but we're going
to try and understand it thecloser we get to season here,
and hopefully Brad.
Judikins is right Hopefullyhe's right and they got the
pieces in the room and we'regoing to see this defensive line
and these young guys take off.
That's what we're hoping for.
But, Ummer, thank you, asalways, for stopping by.
Let the people know where tofind you out there okay, guys,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
So hey, trey, as always, thank you for having me,
bro.
Uh, we're probably gonna go onour show coast to coast packers
probably friday's what I'mthinking right now.
Uh, you can find me at uh ontwitter, or x, but I call it
twitter, so I'm old school,leave me alone.
Uh, at am ar 3455.
Uh, reach out to be there,follow me.
And yeah, just um cam.
Honestly, this is a dead periodof the season, so we're going
to be talking about all thedifferent things that could be

(01:33:58):
happening and you know just ourown freaking thoughts we have on
things.
But just can't wait fortraining camp.
Man, it just needs to get here.
It just we just need trainingcamp right now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
I agree, because we're in this next week and
we're about to hit the deadperiod in sports yes, it is, I'm
looking forward to baseball isall that we got going on right
now.
The NBA is done.
Even the Stanley Cup is done.
We got golf.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Basketball is about to be finished here this week,
probably right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
We got the UFL, so that's technically still around,
but nobody asked me.
I mean I try to get in the UFL.
It doesn't have the same draw.
I'll turn it on and then it'llbe in the background.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
It's like a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
It's like NASCAR, no NASCAR, so I can't watch NASCAR.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
I watched the first lap.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
I fall asleep.
I watched the last three lapsLike that's where I'm at in
NASCAR.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Look you better than me, man.
I just throw on Netflix.
I was going.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
I haven't seen yet they got enough documentaries
out there nowadays that it worksout yeah.
Last Dance documentary.
I've seen that like 14 times.
I mean just all these randomthings.
So, umber, thank you.
As always, we'll be back hereafter the break we're going to
touch in.
I don't know if we got NBA talkto get to today here, if we're
going to talk Brewers, but we'regoing to talk when we come back

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So we talked a little Brewersearlier.
You know I wanted to talk aboutearlier in the show I talked
about are the Brewers going tobe buyers or sellers?
Right?
Because I saw a lot of peoplesaying after this Cubs series
we're going to find out if theBrewers are going to be buyers
or sellers.
This series against the Cubswill dictate that and I was like
you know, it's the middle ofJune, like I don't know if I'm
really dictating it right off ofthat, because there's a lot of

(01:36:57):
things that can happen.
Right, maybe you lose a seriesto the Cubs, but you go on an
absolute tear and you win, youknow, 18 of the next 30 games.
Right, it could be somethingcrazy, I don't know.
What I'm saying is that there'sa lot of things that can happen
, so I'm not going to.
It's not like you're in a horserace with the Cubs there, but
you're also.
I mean, a wild card is not outof the picture.

(01:37:18):
You're still in a wild cardchase.
You have the Padres in there,the Giants are in there who got
better, and that's where I'mlooking at the Brewers now and
I'm saying, okay, if you'retrying to compete for a wild
card or you're still trying tobe competitive, I think the
Brewers, like I said earlier onin the show, are toes in the

(01:37:38):
water, but not jumping in team.
Right now.
They aren't completely there,but they're close, they're,
they're on the verge.
How close are you?
Is the question mark that Ithink matt arnold and the
brewers are asking themselves dothey have the pieces in the
realm where, if they go out andthey maybe call the rockies and
they say, hey, ryan mcmahon'sbeen hitting better as of late.
We would like to see him cometo the brewers.
What would you from us?
And we can go and make a tradefor him, not send out a whole.
You know, I don't want tounload the farm on a guy, right,

(01:37:59):
but get a guy like that comingin and you think he's going to
be a difference maker thisseason.
You think he can put you overtop.
Do you feel like you can win a?
It's basically World Series,like he's making the playoffs
really bad outside of playofftickets.
Is making the playoffs reallythat, outside of playoff tickets
, making money for the team?
I mean, outside of that, likewhat?
If you're not a world seriesteam, what are you?

(01:38:21):
I mean, what are you chasing,right?
So that's the question that Iguess I'm asking right now 7, 1,
5, 9, 9, 0, 4, 9, 1, 4, becauseright now I'm a toes in but I'm
not all the way in, I'm nottrading the farm.
But if a team calls aboutFreddie or Reese or maybe even a
guy like William Contreras Iknow that's crazy talk, right,
but you have guys coming upJefferson Quirrell, the catcher,

(01:38:44):
down there in the minors.
I know it's a hope that he'sgoing to hit at the big league
level, but I think he's got alot of ton of talent, so it's a
that's where you're kind of at.
If you're the Brewers, jakeBowers, do you think about
moving a guy like that?
If somebody called aboutChristian Yelich, yes, I would
definitely take the phone call,but that's my opinion on it.
Anyways, I know a lot of peopleare like oh, you can't trade
Yelich.
Yeah, maybe you could.

(01:39:05):
Maybe you could.
Right, you got a plethora ofoutfielders when you're healthy,
maybe you try to, but maybe aguy like that you know he's on
his way to Nashville and now,right now, for a rehab
assignment I saw so maybe a guylike that.
But I'm definitely a a teamthat's willing to make moves
while not getting worse.
I don't want to get worse bymaking the moves right.
If you move a guy like ReeseHoskins, do you believe you have

(01:39:32):
guys in the room who could fillthat in?
Do you believe andrew uh vaughncould be?
Is he going to be a trade piece?
Is it going to be?
What do you see in a guy likeandrew vaughn, who you just got
for insta valley deal?
You know a guy like bobbydowell back who's been hitting
decent down there for, uh,triple a nashville.
Is he a guy where you couldpotentially see him come up to
the brewers at some point?
So that's where you kind oflook around.
You're like, how close is thisteam?

(01:39:54):
And I think honestly, thisseason is a transition.
It's like a competitivetransition year.
You look to the next coupleyears.
I think the Brewers are there.
You have guys Jesus May, luisPena, cooper, pratt on the way
up, brock Wilkin.
You got Mike Bovey.
You got, I mean, tyler Blackwill be up eventually.
You got outfielders galore LuisLara's down there right now.
He's like the next JacksonTurial on the way out.

(01:40:15):
You got Sal.
You got Terang.
You got Jefferson Cuero tocatch you out there.
You got pitchers galoreHenderson, carlos Rodriguez,
jacob Mizorowski is already upin the bigs.
You got a lot of guys, a lot ofyoung guys, a lot of young guns.
I mean I am not even tippingthe iceberg of the pitchers I
got down there.
They have pitching prospectsgalore that are darn good.
So they have a lot of weaponsfor future and you kind of have
your eBay already up.

(01:40:36):
You got a lot of young guys whoare weapons for the future.
So it's like you look, whereare they at?
I think a couple years from nowthey're going to be competing
2026.
2027.
I think that's when the youngguys come up and I think they
compete.
I think they kind of fell off acliff this year, but an Orioles

(01:40:57):
team from last year, but withbetter pitching, I think.
So that's where I'm kind of at.
That's where I'm kind of seeingthis team right now.
Is there going to be a teamthat's going to build it up from
the ground?
They're going to have all theseyoung guys.
The question is and this iswhere I'm at right now.
I am let's sign you guys for alittle bit and bet on you, right
?
We're going to bet on you,we're going to give you this
contract and you're going tobasically bet on yourself.

(01:41:19):
That's where I'm at with theJackson-Turio deal, right,
long-term, not a boatload ofmoney yet, because you haven't
done anything yet.
That's where I'm at right nowwith these young guys.
That's where I'm at.
Like Terang, you've got to makethat deal here soon, because
he's a gold glove second basemanwho's hitting the ball, sal
frelick.
I don't think he's gonna reallydemand a huge amount, but he's
still hitting the ball.
So you're gonna have guys whoare gonna come do money here

(01:41:40):
pretty soon not, you know, inthe future here, and you're
gonna have to be able to findways to make these moves.
And that's where I'm kind oflooking at the brews right now.
I'm like sign some of theseguys up right now.
Why are we waiting?
What are we waiting for?
I have no idea.
It's like they play these gameswith extensions and options and
all this crap, and then you getthe Freddy Peralta situation
where now he's got an optionhere next year but you're
looking at trading him and he'sbeen pitching pretty darn well.
So anyways, anyways, we'll seewhat the Brewers there, but I'd

(01:42:04):
love to hear what you guys gotto think.
If you missed what I had to sayabout it, listen back on the
podcast there, wisconsin Sportson the Go with Trades,14.
So the Brewers they dropped gameone to the Cubs.
They're 5-3.
Game two is going on as we'retalking, so I don't have much
that I can really throw in onthat.
It's on right now.

(01:42:25):
So maybe you're listening to me, maybe you're listening to the
Brewers, maybe you're listeningto both.
I have no idea.
Maybe you're watching andlistening, but the Brewers game
one.
They left I mean nine guys onbase, one for 10, with runners
in scoring position.
Yelich goes 0-1.
Hoskins 0-2.
Contreras again 0-1.
Ortiz got a hit, collins was0-1.
Frederick was 0-1.
And Durbin was 0-2.
Cubs left five guys on base.

(01:42:47):
They hit a couple home runs, Imean that one by I don't know
was that Strinsky?
What are you trying to throwthere?
I mean, it's just aget-me-over-cutter there to
start that eighth inning there.
What was that?
And then I mean Peter CrowArmstrong just takes him
completely yard to start thatinning.
Suzuki had a pretty good swingon a home run, a swing that he
had early on in the game.
Kyle Tucker continues to tearthe cover off the ball every

(01:43:08):
time I see him.
But it's just this Brewers team, once again runners in scoring
position, and I just don't.
We moved Terang down in theorder.
I don't understand why youmoved Terang down.
What is the presence ofChristian Yelich in the four
spot doing for me at this point?
Really, what is it?
I mean we have Isaac Collinswho's got a .375 slugging right

(01:43:33):
now.
That's ahead of Contreras,that's ahead of Durbin Ortiz.
I mean it's ahead of guys thatyou wouldn't even think he was
aheadof.
Then you look at a guy.
You look at his on basepercentage right now.
Isaac Collins has got a higheron base percentage.
Look at across there.
Then I mean Churio, he's got ahigher on base percentage.
Then, um, yeah base percentagethan.

(01:44:02):
Um, yeah, what she's got ahigher on base percentage than.
I mean a coupledifferent.
It's this brewers lineup rightnow.
I I wouldn't be opposed toseeing them tinkering around
with contraris and yellich inthat middle half right now,
because the middle half yourlineup.
It's been a couple times nowwhere they're like, oh, the
middle half the lineup's comingup, be scared.
It's like I'm not scared ofthis middle half lineup right
now for the brewers right, it'sjust the.
The amount of guys we're seeingleft on base is reminiscent of
what we've seen for years nowwith this team.
They just struggle to bring inrunners.
We saw what was the ultimatefailure in that Diamondbacks

(01:44:25):
series in the playoffs a coupleyears ago Runners in scoring
position.
I mean I think that one gamethey had 22 guys on base and
they scored.
I think what 1-1, run, run outof it.
I mean it was terrible.
The brewers are the one teamwhere you can load up the bases
with nobody out and somehow finda way to not score a run.
They do that more times than Ibelieve anybody else.

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I don't know if it's a stat I'mnot gonna don't quote me as a
stat but it just feels like it,watching it I I am just watching
this team right now and it'slike, okay, how are you
realistic, are you going tocompete with a team like the
Cubs if you're in a game likethis and the Cubbies are?
They find ways to score runs.
You put guys on base and at theend of the day you end up

(01:45:07):
leaving nine guys on base andyou're one for ten with runners
in scoring position, not goingto win many games like that.
So the Brewers I mean, as I'mtalking right now, they lose
five to three.
They, I mean they stillgot.
You got mizorowski going forthe brewers coming up here.
That'll be, uh, 705 starttonight.
So, as we're talking right now,that game's going on.

(01:45:27):
So mizorowski's in that oneagainst jameson talon and then
you're gonna have peralta goagainst horton coming up on
thursday.
That 120 start there.
So you're gonna have your guns.
Hopefully Mizorowski can giveyou a good outing.
You can score some runs forhim.
Then you got Peralta going foryou on Thursday, you got to find
a way to salvage at least agame in this series, right, if
not two, to make it come out ofthis, because then you got Twins

(01:45:49):
coming up.
After that you got Pittsburgh,you got the Rockies.
Here's the thing thing if youcan handle your business, if you
win this series somehow withchicago right, and then knock on
wood, I'm hoping they do rightand then you go to, you take
twins on, you go to minnesota,you win that.
You come back home, you gotpittsburgh and you got colorado
two winnable series that youhave.
Against those two.
I mean you face skeins, but weknow skeins can't win games

(01:46:09):
because he gives up one run andhe loses.
So you got pittsburgh andcolorado, then you playets, but
then you have the Marlins inthere.
So you're going to have aneasier stretch of games coming
up if you are theBrewers.
But you got to win these gameswith some competitive teams and
right now the biggest problem Isee with the Milwaukee Brewers
is when I look at this team, youwant to have it realistically.

(01:46:34):
When you look at the end of theday, you want to have a winning
, you want to have have about afive, probably a 750 record on
at home, probably about 750, andon the road you want to be
about 500.
On the road right now they're16 and 20.
At home they're 23 and 15.
We got to see the home gamestart to take off a little bit
there, but on the road you gotto see them.
You know, find ways to wingames.

(01:46:55):
Look at what the cubs are doingthis year 24 and 12 at home, 21
and 16 on the on the road.
That tells you what the cubshave done so far in the year.
So right now you're chasing thecubs.
Right now you are currently, Ibelieve, six and a half back as
we're talking right now.
Maybe just may you find ways tosalvage a couple games here.
The cubs they I mean they.
I saw at one point they had oneof the easier schedules to

(01:47:15):
start the year.
Hopefully that schedule startsto get a little more daunting on
them.
They're going to play Seattle,then St Louis, then Houston,
then Cleveland, then St Louisagain, then the Twins, then the
Yankees.
So I mean they have a toughstretch of games coming up for
theCubs.
This is a time where theBrewers got to pick up ground,
and how is that going to start?
Your bats got to get going.
They got to find a way to putruns across the board right now,

(01:47:35):
because the left on base is thebig stat that's sticking out to
me right now with thisMilwaukee Brewers team.
So that's about all.
We could go on and on, but I'mrunning out of time.
This is where I get everysingle week.
I get all over the place andthen I run out of time here.
So we're going to come back,we're going to wrap it up for

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We're going to get out of here.
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We little NBA.
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He got underneath the weather.
He wasn't able to stop by, soKyle wasn't able.
We talked NBA a little bit.

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We talked the Wilson Contrerassituation.
We talked Brewers.
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