June 25 show: Badgers News, NBA Season Wrap Up, Brewers get Hot!

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I'm your host, trage, comingback for the June 25th edition
of the show here.
I hope you guys are enjoyingyour Wednesday.
I hope you guys enjoyed yourweekend.
It was a hot weekend.
Holy crap, was it hot.
Coaching baseball out there inColby 12 year boys got the
championship win, so that wasawesome.
10 year boys got championshipwin over there too for Loyal

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greenwoods.
That was awesome there over theweekend.
But man, was it hot, holy crap.
It was like out there in thesun, like the sun would go away
and it wasn't, wasn't so bad,but then the sun would come back
out and, oh my goodness, it was.
The breeze was nice.
Outside of that, it was justmiserably hot, goodness.
And now I mean you're talkingabout a complete change of pace.
You had the heat over theweekend and now you got rain and

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cooled off this week here.
So it was.
If you didn't want the heat,you're good, and if you wanted
the heat, well, welcome back towisconsin.
You get four seasons in one day.
That's all you got to thinkabout four season.
One day is awesome.
So a lot of things happened overthe weekend.
A lot of things happened.
We saw the.
A lot of things happened.
We saw the Badgers.
I was going to talk about theBadgers today.

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Anyways, I want to talk aboutthat.
Ncaa violations we were goingto talk about that last week.
We didn't get to it.
I want to talk about this week,but now they're in the news.
They're suing Miami.
So that's awesome and I want totalk about it here.
We'll probably talk about aboutin the next segment here after
the commercial break, but I, Ilove it, so I want to talk about
that today.
Uh, we got to get to the brewersbecause, wow, they torched the

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twins over the weekend.
That was an awesome series.
It started with the cubs, tookcare of the cubs, and then they
went and they torched the twins.
You gotta love it.
So I want to talk about that,because it was hot and the
brewers were hotter, so I can'twait to talk about that.
Because it was hot and theBrewers were hotter, so I can't
wait to talk about that.
Sal Frelick continues to beimpressive against the Pirates
there.
I believe he leads the leaguein outfield sis, if I'm not
mistaken, or at least leads theNL.

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So I mean he's been great inthe outfield.
I want to talk about Sal alittle bit today here in that
leadoff spot, what he's beenable to brew.
So all in all, I just want totalk about what we've been
seeing as of late here with theBrewers OKC wins the finals.
I want to talk about thatbecause there's a lot to unpack
there.
We see a lot of the I don'twant to say quote-unquote, but

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quote-unquote experts telling usthat it's a skewed title, it's
got asterisks around it.
So I want to get to thatbecause I sometimes I just uh, I
am done with that talk there.
So I want to talk about okay,see, we're gonna have kyle and
we're gonna talk about, okay,see, the finals wrapping up the
season.
Because now we get to theoffseason.

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What's gonna happen?
We already said we already sawkevin durant get moved.
What else could possibly happen?
Could we see a guy like yannisor anybody else move?
I don't know right, we've seencrazier things.
I'm not into Giannis' movingcamp, but you know, espn is
still going to tell us they'regoing to do it.
Shams is still reporting thatit's going to happen.
So we'll see what happens there, right?
So lots of things to get intohere on the show today, but, as

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always, as always, I love tostart the show with what was
grinding my gears, what caughtmy interest, I guess, over the
weekend there, what's beengrinding my gears, what's been
driving me nuts, right?
So the big one I had watching.
Okay, so you watch the finalsand everything happened there.

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And then after the finals, I wasacross social media and I was
looking across social media tosee what was happening and I
come across some pacer fansleaving okc after the game's
done.
Right, okc just wonchampionship.
They're all excited.
They're leaving.
Any pacer fans trying to leavethe stadium.
They're being like escorted outthrough tunnels and the police
are.
They have police presencearound.
They're like don't go that waybecause it could get bad over

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there.
Go this way, we don't haveenough units to go that way.
And it's like what?
What am I?
What am I watching right now?
Like I would get, maybe.
I don't even know if I'd get,but like if the Pacers or if
they, if the okay, oklahoma citythunder lost to the Pacers,

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maybe there has to be some upsetfans.
They won.
Why do you have to like assaultother fans Like I don't get
that.
I really don't Like.
What brings you this is what'sgrinding my gears is that we
have like that going on after asporting event.
I get passionate about sports,I do.
I get passionate about theBrewers.

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I get really passionate aboutbadger men's basketball.
But I'll tell you this win orlose, no matter if we lost, if I
were sitting, I was sitting inthe room with a duke fan during
the 2015 national championshipbecause my mother, sadly, she's
a closet.
She's a closet duke fan with.
She likes wisconsin, but she'sa closet duke fan, not really
closet.

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She'll tell everybody about,she will do.
She wears duke apparel withpride anyways.
So I was in the room when whathappened?
But I'm, if I'm sitting in aroom with a with, I mean, if I
was sitting in the room with aseahawks fan during the packers
game there and the nfc champ,I'm not.
I'm not like jacking them up orpunching them or like abusing
them after the games.

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I'd like.
That's wild to me that anybodyis like I'm going to assault
somebody after a game.
That's what brings you joy.
I don't get like sports orsports are intense.
Sports are are meant to keepyou on the edge of their seat
and, you know, take your heartrate through the roof and drop

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it down and, like it's meant todrag you through the mud and
everything in between, likesports are meant to do it all to
you.
But when it comes to that, whenyou have to have a police
presence just to keep opposingfans safe, when they're leaving
your stadium after you beat themto win a championship, you
still are worried about opposingfans.
Why I just don't.

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It's.
It's absolutely disturbing anddisgusting and I know it's not
just their fan bases, there'sall their fan bases and I know
pacer fans did.
I mean it was the same thingwhen thunder fans went up to the
indiana after that game therewas pictures across social media
of of thunder fans who got, Imean, beat up and everything out
in public.
It's, it's ridiculous.

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I mean you talk about eaglefans.
What we saw there when that onewas just yelling profanity, or
at that packer fan out there, Imean it's just, it's all this
just stupidity.
When you get out here, I Ihonestly like I love going to
games where I can just kind ofmess with the opposing team's

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fan.
Love that, you know.
Like Aaron, you know he was onthe show here.
He's a big Eagles fan.
I love when I can just, youknow, give Aaron crap, or he can
give me crap, or Kyle with hisPatriots, and he can give me
crap about the Packers, and youknow, just, you have those
different kind of fans wherethey're just not intense.

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But I've had some people whereI've even like commented in on
their shows and stuff like that,where they're just like, well,
you just hate us because we wantto be hated, we want to be a
hated fan base.
Why I?
I don't get why people, why,why fans want to be hated.
I don't get that.
I really don't like I cub fans.
I don't get why people, why,why fans?

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want to be hated.

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I don't get that.
I really don't like Cub fans.
I don't understand why theywant to be just the way that
they are.
Cardinal fans are just Cardinalfans.
I mean they just drive you nuts, but I mean it's just, I don't
know, I, I, I always, I alwaysjust baffle at, like Eagle fans
and that why they want to behated.
And then you got situationslike this where you have to
protect fans just leaving astadium and it's like it's isn't

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.
It should not be life or deathsituations, or should it, or you
know that kind of thing wherepolice present has to be
involved.
It shouldn't get to that andyet it does.
So I mean, fans just got to bebetter.
I don't care who you are, youjust got to be better.
If you're one of this crowd andyou get this rowdy oh man, oh
man there.
So yeah, that's where kind ofcoming off the weekend there.

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That was the big story.
I saw in a lot of topic talkacross social media, a couple
things, I guess, going more inthe direction of youth sports.
So I want to talk a little bitabout youth sports right now.
I saw a lot of people havetalked about this with me over
the past couple weeks.

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They're at differenttournaments and stuff like that
and it's the changing of rules.
So you go I know I'm justspeaking from experience here
and I know it's been with a lotof other coaches and stuff like
that I've talked to but you goto a lot of these different
tournaments, say, you know, wewent over the Colby tournament,
or you're down in the Neal'swill tournament, you're, you're
around these tournaments aroundthis thing, seymour, wherever it

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is, and you get these ruleswhere I, for example, we had one
this weekend where you couldn'tlead off until the ball hit the
catcher's mitt.
Otherwise, we've had in thepast where it's when the pitcher
releases the ball, you can leadoff.
That's a big change.
So now your boys, your guys,are trying to adjust to that.
They're still young trying toadjust to that.

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Well, we had it this weekendwhere we were told oh well,
we'll be lenient.
We understand that you guysplay these rules and everything
like this.
Oh well, we'll be lenient.
We understand that you guysplay these rules and everything
like this.
So we're going to be lenientwith you and if it happens,
we're just going to warn you.
We're going to tell you to goback.
We're just going to remind you.
Okay, that sounds good.
Well, then we got to thechampionship game and then they

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let us know.
Okay, now if you do it, you'reout.
Okay, you weren't enforcing itall day long, but now you want
to enforce it when thechampionships are out.
Okay, okay, that sounds good.
That makes sense, right?
I just don't like thedifferences in the rules across
there.
I think you know, with all youthlevels, you're slowly preparing
them to get to one point.
Right, you're slowly preparingthem to get to the point of now.
I am a middle schooler who canlead off.

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When the pitcher still got theball in his hand, right, when
he's still in the in the, he'sstill set.
Pitcher still got the ball inhis hand right.
When he's still in the.
You know he's still set, I canlead off, I can do all my stuff.
I can steal.
So I think you've got to get toa slow progression point through
the years where you know maybewhen they're in that 12 view
stage, they're playing this way.
Or when they're in the 10u,they're playing this way.
But you have to slowly progresskids through the years with the

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different rules.
You can't just all of a suddensay, oh well, well, this
tournament's like this, thistournament's like this, and then
all of a sudden, the nextseason that they have to play,
now it's oh, you can lead offall the time.
Well, these kids, you have toslowly get to that point.
Right, you're trying to teachthem the fundamentals, but
you're also trying to you haveto deal with all the rest of
this on top of that and theyforget half the fundamentals.
Then Then you have umpiresgoing on those kind of like

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power trips around there wherethey're like oh well, we're
going to call you out now, we'regoing to warn you for that.
I get that, I understand that.
But at the same time you've gotto realize they're still young
kids, they're still trying tounderstand the game.
And when you're throwing allthese rules on top of them, I
can only you know.
You stand there on third base,coach, and you're trying to
remind them of things, butthey're halfway across the
diamond from you.
They're so far out of it.

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They're trying to watchpitchers.
They're trying to watch theball if it's going to get past
the catcher.
They're trying to see all thiskind of stuff.
They're trying to see if aguy's going to get hit or
anything like that they'retrying to remember how many outs
there are.
It's a lot of things to grasp.
So if you have constantchanging rules or, like you know
, per tournament, per whateverit's going to confuse them and
it's going to make thingscomplicated and make it harder

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for them to progress.
So for me, I really do thinkthat they have to, we have to I
don't know how you do it but bebetter about pushing one
standard rule for each age levelacross the state.
I really think that would bebeneficial.
At a 10U level, you do it thisway.
At the 12U level, you do itthis way.

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When you get up to 14U, you doit this way.
I, you know 12 you level, youdo it this way.
When you get up to 14, you youdo it this way.
I think that would bebeneficial to these kids, to the
kids, because when you just tryto bounce rules back and forth,
you try to do different things.
I think it gets too complicatedand I just don't.
I I don't enjoy it.
So that's kind of where I wasat with that.
I had a lot of people talkingto me about that.
I also add this has been a hottopic for everybody, it seems

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like and I wanted to talk aboutit the one-sport kids, the
parents that push their kids tojust play one sport constantly,
all year long.
It's baseball, baseball,baseball, baseball.
All year long.
Don't stop playing springleague playing summer, playing
fall league, winter.
You're still throwing, you'restill doing all this kind of
stuff and I get it.

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You think that if you're toldthat if you take your kid to
this camp, he is going to be, ifhe doesn't go, he's going to be
behind everybody.
If he doesn't do this, he'sgoing to be behind everybody.
If he doesn't do that, if hedoesn't play in this league, if

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he doesn't play in thispay-to-play league and he plays
his school ball, he plays schoolball.
He's going to fall behind inall those things.
It eats me alive.
It does Because number one whenthey're at a young age,
experiencing all these sports isgreat for them.
The team aspect, the growingaspect with other kids Finding
something else to do in theirfree time is huge.

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So that's number one for me isthat team aspect, that it grows.
Number two the big thing for meis not wearing away bodies, not
wearing away bodies.
Wearing away a body is big whenit comes to just constantly
throwing and throwing andthrowing, and throwing, swinging
and swinging and swinging andswinging.

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You're going to it's repetition, but you're slowly I mean
you're slowly going to wear thatarm down, wear everything down,
and I think, along with thatnumber three wearing it down is
also equal to the fun of thegame goes away when you're
constantly doing it.
You lose that drive, that fun,because you're young yet you
want to go out and hang out withyour friends.

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Your friends are out thereplaying football, but you've got
to continue to do this baseballtravel thing with all these
random kids that you barely usedto know on the weekends.
So you don't lose that fun forthe game as it goes to you,
don't you're?
You're still a young kid.
Remember that at the end of theday, they're still young kids.
They don't just all in the backof their head as a eight year

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old, nine year old, 10 year old,whatever.
They're not sitting therethinking man, I can't wait to be
in the bigs one day.
Maybe they are, maybe they'relike I can't wait to be in the
bigs one day.
Maybe they are, maybe they'relike oh, I want to be in the
bigs.
They're also thinking about howcan I have fun today?
That's what they're thinkingabout.
So, though I do think that it isokay to mix in some of your

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offseason sports with yoursports, I'm still in the camp of
if there are multiple sportsoffered and your kid wants to
play football, they want to playbaseball, they want to play
basketball, and you just want topush them to one of them, allow
them to experience them allwhen they get a little bit older
.
If they want to just do one orthey want to focus on one, sure.

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But I've seen the benefits in alot of different.
You've heard a lot ofprofessional athletes talk about
it and you've also seen a lotof kids who have benefited from
playing multiple sports.
Playing football play you knowfootball builds different things
, different kinds of strengths.
You look at baseball buildsdifferent kinds of strengths

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hand-eye coordination, all thatkind of stuff.
Basketball builds differentthings.
You know stamina, everythinglike that.
It all builds something and youcan put it all together and put
it into one sport.
You have all the attributes.
You can be that all-aroundathlete that just does it all.
So I I'm in the camp of allowthem, especially at a young age,
to play those multiple sportsand to be a multi-sport athlete.

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I love that.
I also.
One last thing, one last thing Ijust wanted to touch on because
I was asked this question.
I was asked this question overthe weekend and I just wanted to
get to it because it was a bigconversation piece that I had
with a parent.
So they said that you know, abig thing was, or for them, they

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thought the best thing fortheir kid was they needed to get
into the weight room and theyneeded to just start pushing
weight, pushing these heavyweights.
And I said what do you mean?
And they said well, you know, Ithink a big thing that they
need to do here is they need toget big and strong.
They need to get bigger, bigger, right, bigger.

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And I said yeah, bigger, right,bigger.
And I said yeah, I said that'sa way to go with it.
But I said are you gettingbetter in the right way?
I said what do you mean?
And I said sometimes justpushing the heavy weights isn't
going to do it for you.
I said sometimes you can buildall the heavy muscle you want to
build in your life, you canbuild it all, but if you can't

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move, I mean look at I meanlet's talk about athletes, look
at some of the Packers offensivelinemen.
Look at their defensive linemen.
Those are some big guys, right.
They can still laterally movefaster than the average person
can laterally move.
They aren't just going in there.
They might be pushing someheavy weight, but they're going
in there and they're working ondifferent skills that get them

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to be able to move side to sidequick, to be able to get that
quick first.
Uh, step there, those littlethings that we just take
advantage, we just don't eventhink about or it's like, oh,
that guy's huge, right, yeah,but he got there with doing it a
certain way, working on hisagility, working on those little
things, stamina, all thosethings being able to be like a
rubber band, extend, be able toget out there, get after it.
They're working on the lateralmovements instead of just a

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forward and backwards, because alot of every sport football,
basketball, even some baseball,right Pitchers being able to
laterally move, laterally pushoff, being able to trust your
body.
So when I hear parents, kids,they're like, oh, I just want to
go in there and I just want tobe able to bench, you know 250

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or whatever.
I know it's not huge, butanyways, I just want to be able
to do this and it's like, okay,that's a good feat, but can you
do that while also being able tomove quick this way or
laterally move quick this way,or build that strength to be
able to do those things?
So that's kind of where if I,if I was giving that opinion to

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them which I did talk with himabout it and we had a
conversation about it and youknow we came to understanding
with each other but I would say,you know, you got it.
You got to find a programthat's right for you, but you
got to find a program thatbalances both.
You got it.
You want to get bigger, but youalso want to still strengthen
those things that are going tomake you a better lateral mover,
side to side, whatever it is,you know, rotation, everything

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like that because your body'sgot to be able to move in all
those directions to beproductive in all sports.
So yeah, that's kind of where Ijust a question that I had over
the weekend and just somethingI wanted to touch into there a
little bit.
So we got lots to get intotoday here.
I want to get to badgers whenwe come back here.
So we're gonna talk badgers.
I want to talk uh brewers todayhere.
We got kyle coming on to talkpacers and okay, see, so I'm
talking about that finals.
We got armor coming on latertalk packers.
We got a lot of stuff to get to, so I can't wait to get to it

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So, going into the break, Isaid I want to talk a little
badgers today here, because wehad there's a lot of a lot of
it's not even like on the fieldstuff that I talk about.
It's a lot of off the fieldstuff going on with the
wisconsin badgers.
So the badgers, they're whackedwith a fine from 2023.
We didn't really get to talkabout that yet.
So they have a 25 000 fine.

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Wisconsin has been placed on aone-year probation where the
program will be required toregularly report to the ncaa.
So basically, as individuals,head coach luke fickle and
outside linebackers coach mattmitchell have been banned from
contacting recruits.
June 15th to june 21st.
So apparently they basicallythat's already up.
In september of 2023,wisconsin's own compliance

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monitoring system identified andreported illegal contact
between the school's coachingstaff and various football
recruits from spring of thatyear.
While the ncaa investigationwas ongoing, the school
self-imposed restrictions duringthe 2023-2024 season, including
a temporary ban on allrecruiting communications.
So that's basically what hadhappened there.
There was 139 illicit callswere made to 48 different

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recruits there.
So nonetheless, the school'sactions were ruled level two
violations defined as providingor intending to provide more
than a minimal but less than asubstantial of extensive
recruiting, a competitive or anadvantage.
So Luke Fickle's program wouldnow be under reporting
regulations and a close watchfor the NCAA during the
2025-2026 season.

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Wisconsin football faces apretty tough schedule here.
A lot of tough recruits thereand it's I mean, it's just
another thing on Luke Fickle'splate to have to deal with at
this point here.
So we see all that happening.
The fine come in and everythingfor the Badgers there.
I'm not going to sit here andoverreact to it.
I mean, wisconsin self-imposedthe ban Like they knew it was

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going to come eventually, sothey self-imposed it.
At the end of the day, I really, you know we sit here.
We're going to harp onWisconsin for this and a lot of
opposing fan bases are going tocome after Wisconsin for this.
I wouldn't put it past a lot ofother universities that we've
seen, the Alabamas and the bigdogs of the world to have been

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in this same boat not talking torecruits during the right
periods right and kind ofillegally doing things like that
.
So I I'm not saying teams aredoing it, but what I'm saying is
that I don't think Wisconsin'sthe only one.
I just think wisconsin was theone who basically said yeah, we
did it and self-imposed it, soit's happened.

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It's, I I believe it'shappening elsewhere.
We wisconsin just got hit withit.
So that's kind of where thatall leads there.
Um, the big one, though, comingoff this last weekend the
Badgers.
They're suing Miami.
They're suing Miami right now.
So they filed a lawsuit lastFriday claiming Miami's football

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team broke the law by tamperingwith Wisconsin Badgers football
player.
Now we're not going to namenames right now, but we all know
that this comes back to onecertain fella named Xavier Lucas
.
I mean, one certain fella notnamed in this lawsuit, but most

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definitely is the guy inquestion here and it's a first
of its kind legal attempt toenforce the terms of the
financial contract between afootball player and a school.
So this is basically what we'vetalked about this before.
It's jose verluca's situation.
We got into it.
Scary alvarez was on here andwe were talking about there.
If you did, if you did not hearthat part, get make sure you

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listen back on the podcast there.
I believe it was a couple weeksago that we were talking about
that whole xavier lucassituation and we we got into it.
They filed this complaint.
Now, basically, what they saidwas Lucas signed a two-year
contract in December, miami.
A lot of interference was inthere and all of a sudden he

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knowingly they know theyknowingly compelled a player to
break the terms of a deal withthe Badgers.
So so there was a deal in place.
He signed the deal.
This is what we saw.
So, while we reluctantly bringthis case, we stand by our
position that respecting andenforcing contractual
obligations is essential tomaintaining a level playing
field.
That's what the school had tosay to ESPN.
So basically, with this wholething, the pending case promises

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to be an interesting test towhether schools can use name,
image and likeness deals to keepathletes from transferring,
even though the players aren'ttechnically employees.
Starting July 1st, schools willbe paying the players directly
via NIL deals.
This is what I got to say.
What is the point of a contractif it doesn't bind you anywhere,
if it doesn't bind you toanything?

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And if this is this, is it Inthese contracts?
If it is not already stated.
It needs to be stated that ifwe're not going to enforce this
or let this be a binding factorto schools, then it needs to be
stated that all the money thatis given in this contractual

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agreements, if you go, if youdisregard it, you go away from
it, say maybe you only stay fora year, and then you all of a
sudden just say I'm out, deuces,you have to pay some money back
.
Now you got to give the moneyback.
Sir lucas was barely even herefor his contract.
So if this money was dueled outto him which which I'm guessing
it was is why Wisconsin's sohot about it?

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If it was already given out,then why it should have to come
back.
He didn't play a snap duringthat contract period.
Why should Wisconsin have givenhim money then?
They did, because they gave toagreement.
What's the point of theagreement if all they have to do
is just say, oh well, yeah, Idon't care.

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Right, there's nothing behindme here, I can leave, I can do
what I want.
Here's the plain, cold, hardtruth of this.
But the ncaa lets mi, miami winthis.
They admit that it's the wildwild west and there's no control
.
Plain and simple.

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They admit it with this,because if contracts don't mean
anything, then there's nocontrol, there's no regulations,
there's no way to keep thingsin line, nothing.

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It's just a mess.
A mess that the NCAA startedand they don't care because it's
money, it's money to them atthe end of the day.
So I'm in that camp right nowwhere I'm saying to myself if
the NCAA allows this to happen,if they allow Miami to basically

(27:36):
win this case and goscotch-free again, because
Miami's had a couple I mean, youknow, a university like that
has been in news story afternews story up to have, uh, some
problems in the past if youallow them to get away with this
, oh boy, oh boy.
So we know all this.

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We know Wisconsin and the BigTen said in a statement Friday
that they support Wisconsin'sdecision to file the lawsuit and
that Miami's alleged actionsare inrecognizable with a
substantial college sportsframework.
So love that, love that Micdrop on them.
The ACC is shaking in theirboots because you know who?

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Barely is a power fiveconference.
The ACC.
Barely Basketball keeps themthere.
Maybe baseball, baseball isdifferent, but football, the ACC
ain't a power conference.
The thing that keeps them thereis basketball.
So you have the Big Ten, one ofthe money makers in the ncaa,

(28:41):
saying, oh yeah, we gotwisconsin back.
We think wisconsin's all in.
You're looking at that andyou're like let's shred all the
paperwork we got in here.
Let's shred all the evidence.
Let's shred it all.
Let's boys like pack it up fora while.
It's like, imagine it when oshashows up for a day.
Right, they show up to your jobsite and everybody just packs
the tools up and they're justlike, yep, going home, what we

(29:03):
weren't working today, what areyou talking about?
We weren't working, we werejust looking and we were just
leaving.
We weren't here at all.
It's like that.
Basically, they're just like,oh, pack it up, wipe the hands,
we're done, we're.
That's where Miami's at rightnow.
So why is all of this good?
Why is all of this good forWisconsin, for the NCAA, for the

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sport in general?
Why is this good Number onething I had someone needed to
step up and be the voice to getthis under control.
And when I say that, I lookacross the landscape and, like I
just said before, the wild wildwest that is college sports.
Now Somebody needed to step upand say enough is enough of this

(29:49):
crap, enough is enough.
We've watched this.
We saw Xavier Lucas, that wholecrap with him leaving to begin
with.
We've seen it across collegesports different players,
different avenues, getting outof places, jumping ship after
year after year after year.
Look at AJ Storer across there.

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I mean, we look across thelandscape, we just see this wild
wild west formation.
Somebody needed to step up andbe the voice and get this
crapshoot under control.
And Wisconsin, in this situation, in this situation with Miami,
said we're going to do it, we'regoing to step up and we're
going to take control of thissituation.

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And that is exactly what theydid.
They stepped up and said let'sgo, we're going to file this
lawsuit, we're going to courtwith them.
And there are, I guarantee you,you a lot of schools out there
who are sitting there staring atwisconsin right now and they're
saying thank you and we'recheering for you from the

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sideline.
We don't have the cojones to goin there and to do it ourselves
, but but end of the day, we'llcheer for you, we'll have your
back right.
It's like the packers goingagainst the tush push.
Not a lot of other teams wantedto say that they were against

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the tush push.
When the vote came around,though, they were against it.
Same here.
Not a lot of schools want toget on mi Miami's bad side or
want to be the center ofattention, but they are cheering
for Wisconsin right now, sayingI hope you guys win this one.
So that's my number one thingof why it's a good thing.
Somebody needed to be a voice inthis whole thing.
And the Badger said we are thatvoice.

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I love to see that.
I don't understand.
If Xavier Lucas wanted out,don't sign the deal.
Pl.
Xavier Lucas wanted out, don'tsign the deal.
Plain and simple.
I don't get it.
I don't.
This tampering thing apparentlygoes.
This illegal tampering andtalking to him goes way back in
the years before and everything.
But end of the day, you don'twant to play a Madison Like

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don't sign the contract, dude.
It's plain and simple.
I don't understand that.
It's like oh, I don't want towork at a job, but I applied for
the job and now I have the joband now I'm working the job, but
I don't want to work this jobanymore.
So I'm just going to up andjust not show up and just go
work at this other job and thenbasically call my other job and
say, yeah, I left, yeah, I'mdone with you guys, yeah, bye.

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It just doesn't work that way.
That's not life.
Life's not like that.
You sign a contract, you signan agreement to do this or to
get this done.
That's what you signed up forand if there's a way out of it,
you find that way out of it.
You know, like an adult, I'veheard Xavier Lucas talk.
I listened, listened into theLockdown Badgers show and he had

(32:37):
a conversation with XavierLucas and he and he sounds like
a down-to-earth guy, like apretty nice guy, but this, this
is just a child like move, likebe an adult, you know.
And the badgers, they're tryingto be the adult in the room
here and say, hey, you need togrow up.
And that's the problem that tomiso talked about and what we've
seen a lot with a lot of these,um, different, different

(32:59):
athletes, I guess you could say,across college sports.
I just don't feel like Tom Izzotalked about it too.
Guys need to grow up, and Idon't think guys are growing up
because they're now playing inthis.
Oh well, you can just fail andleave league.
That is now the currentlandscape of college sports.

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You're not learning to failcollege sports.
You're not learning to failanymore.
You're not learning to grow andgrow up, you're just failing
and bailing.
Basically, that's all that itis.
So I I just don't get it.
And at the end of the day,xavier lucas is the one who
screwed up in this situation andmiami screwed up.
So now repercussions, baby,that's all I know.

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Outside of that, I mean, I thinkit's good because nobody's
going to try to poach playersaway from Wisconsin, because
after they take Miami to court,they're going to be like anybody
else want to play ball, becausewe'll take you all to court.
We have our own violations nowand we'd love to slap you guys
with some violations.
I think this is huge because Ithink it's going to keep teams
from trying to poach playersfrom a lot of teams right now,

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but I think it's going to keep alot of people away from
Wisconsin and I don't thinkrecruits, I think it's going to
be a big thing where a lot ofthese, you know, the University
of Texas is not going to becalling up I know they're not
probably calling up a lot ofpeople from, uh, the badges
right now, but they're not gonnabe calling up this guy and
saying, hey, you should, youshould, you know, abandon that
contract, come down here.

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They're gonna be able to avoidthat stuff.
So I, I love that, uh, out ofthis.
Um, I mean, yeah, I'm gonna ownit.
Miami fans, they're all all oversocial media.
They're like, oh, you guys areonly doing this because you got
your own violations.
Sure, you're dang right, we are, you're dang right, we are, we
got our own violation.
It feels good for somebody elseto be doing something wrong too

(34:48):
, like that's for darn sure.
So, yeah, I would completelyagree with that one and I mean,
like I said before, hopefully,out of this, this helps create
and enforce rules across collegesports because, like I said
before, this is a wild, wildwest league and if you don't get

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a grasp on it, you don't put it, you don't, you don't bridle it
up and rain her in, you'regonna lose it.
It's gonna get out of control asit's getting, and then you're
going to lose it, it's going toget out of control as it's
getting, and then you're goingto have a lot of coaches, a lot
of fans, a lot of players, a lotof ADs whatever it is.
You're going to have a lot ofthem clocking at doors and

(35:33):
clocking people across the headand getting upset.
Because this is what we'rewatching right now.
We're watching a Wild Wild Westthat nobody can predict or
understand or control and itleads to issues.
So, hopefully, this wholelawsuit, this whole thing, in
the grand scheme of things, do Ithink Wisconsin's going to win

(35:53):
it?
I don't know, I really don'tknow.
Do I think that they should?
Yes, do I think that they'regoing to get money out of it or
anything, financial compensation?
I don't know.
But end of the day, I dobelieve that this will turn
heads and it will make the NCAA,acc, miami, other universities

(36:19):
hesitant to do things like thisin the future, because maybe
this one time the ncaa or thecourts are going to allow this
one to walk by.
But after it becomes multiple,well, now people start getting
upset and once big universitiesstart getting upset, money
starts being involved, lawyersstart being involved, bad things
happen.
The ncaa does a lot of badthings happen, so they're going

(36:41):
to protect themselves here.
We'll see what happens.
But I'm just saying, hopefully,that this creates and enforces
those roles around collegesports where it kind of controls
everything here moving forward.
So love to see it.
Badgers suing Miami We'll seewhat kind of comes out of that
here.
As the days go on, they gottheir own violations they're
worrying about.
We're getting closer and closerto fall here.

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We're talking Badgers here inthe coming weeks when they get
into camp, when they get back toschool and get into camp and
everything like that.
So I can't wait to be talkingBadgers here in the short future
here.
But next up on the show I wantto talk to a little Brewers here
.
We got a little Bre to talk NBAfinals and a little bit of NBA.
We got Ummer coming on later totalk Packers.
We got all kinds of stuff toget to today here.

(37:23):
So make sure you are comingback here.
We will be right back afterthis quick commercial break.
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So I went to the break.

(38:50):
I said I was going to talkbrewers.
We came back here.
I was scrolling through socialmedia when I went to the break
and I don't know why I don't getit anymore.
I really don't.
This is actually gettingexhausting.
So we have Giannis and I knowpeople they're getting sick of
hearing this, but I'm gettingsick of hearing this, so I just
wanted to, you know, voice myrage here, I guess for a second.

(39:12):
We have Giannis telling us Idon't want to leave Milwaukee.
We have Doc Rivers Telling ushe doesn't want to leave
Milwaukee.
We have Thanasis AntetokounmpoTelling us he's not leaving.
Everybody else, basically inhis friend family, everything,
group my kids are here he saysthey love it here, my family's

(39:36):
here, everything's here, theyall love it here.
He isn't going anywhere.
Everybody in his friend group,family group is telling us this.
Every indication from him, fromthe guy himself, is saying I am
staying pat, I'm staying here,the head coach, Everybody else,
but here's Shams, and this iswhy I just don't.

(39:59):
But here's Shams, and this iswhy I just don't.
It's hard to trust ESPN, someof the analysts or whatever you
want to say on ESPN, because youhave a guy like Shams who says,
anyways, giannis still wantsout, he's still thinking about
it, he's still pondering it.
Shams, I don't know why, Ireally don't.

(40:23):
Why, like, I saw him on PatMcAfee and that's where I saw
that he said this again why PatMcAfee even allows that on his
show anymore.
I know he's ESPN paid andeverything like that, but
seriously, I think it drivesdown the credibility of a show.
If you have a guy on, like, ifyou have a guy who consistently
comes on and he keeps tellingall this crap.

(40:43):
And if Giannis could tell Shams, he did basically do his face
when he says, man, I miss Woj,don't we just miss Woj?
Set it point blank.
And yet we still have a guy andShams is just reporting this
absolute nonsense.
I mean just I don't, it's justterrible, like absolutely

(41:09):
terrible reporting.
It's basically, we don't havecrap to talk about.
Let's make it up.
Let's just make stuff up.
That's fun, that's fun, it'sannoying.
It's it's annoying.
So yeah, that's fun, that's fun, it's annoying, it's annoying.
So yeah, that's where I'm atwith that.
I just saw that across socialmedia when I was coming back
from the break and I just wantedto rant about it because it's
getting absolutely exhausting towatch out there.

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So a little bit of brewer talkhere before we get to the wrap
of the hour and everything likethat.
The brewers over this lastweekend, what a series it was
against the minnesota twins.
What a series it was friday.
They got the 17 to 6 win and alot of this was later in the
games like it wasn't.

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This wasn't like an outburstright off the bat like these 17
runs that the brewers hadagainst the twins there.
A lot of it late in this one.
Look, they had five runs in theseventh.
They had four in the eighth.
They had against the Twinsthere.
A lot of it late in this one.
Look, they had five runs in theseventh.
They had four in the eighth.
They had five in the ninthagainst the Twins there.
I mean basically a knockoutpunch there at that point.
But it was a late-game heroiceffort.
Yelich, fantastic in this series.

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He had 10 RBIs.
He had eight in one game.
So that really puts you overthe top there.
I puts you over the top there.
I think he had a crazy statwhere he he had eight rbis but
he didn't score one time.
He drove in eight runs but didnot score at all in that game.
Zero runs for him, that'sthat's crazy.
That's crazy.
But I mean he had one of thelongest singles of the year.
I believe it will our longestdoubles, was it?

(42:34):
I think that son of a gun wentlike 420 feet to center or
something like that.
It was crazy.
I stay stat there from Yellich,but this team is starting to
get hot right.
So they got this 17-6 win onFriday there.
Mizorowski was fantastic, gotthe record most no-hit innings
by a rookie, before by a pitcher, before giving up their first

(42:55):
hit in the big leagues.
So that was awesome to seethere.
I think it's since like 1900 orsomething like that.
It was a crazy stat like that.
There went six innings, one hit, the one hit being that two run
bomb that he gave up there towalner.
Outside of that, nothing acrossthe board against him.
He was.
I mean, he's phenomenal.
And there was some years halland bauer.
Jake bowers pitched again kindof through through his era to

(43:19):
the there 3.6 now after givingup two earned runs.
So just not a very good outingfrom Jake Bowers at all there.
But the Brewers get the 17-6 winon Friday night.
There was a great game there.
And then they got the win onSaturday 9-0.
And then a gutsy win on Sunday9-8.
That was a gutsy win.
That was a gut check game.
Right, they had the big leadtwins clawed their way back.

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They had a good chance to winthat one and mcgill slammed it
shut, took it out.
That was awesome.
So all in all, I mean that was adarn good series and a wrap
that you had that cub serieswhere you wrapped it up on
thursday.
You didn't get the game onwednesday as it was postponed,
it was rain.
I don't know why, instead ofjust playing it on, you know
they didn't get the game onWednesday as it was postponed,
it was rain.
I don't know why, instead ofjust playing it on, you know
they didn't just postpone it andput it to Thursday.
They ended up shifting thatgame all the way until, I mean,

(44:09):
I think it's in the second halfof the season.
They're going to play like fivegames in four days.
Something stupid, right, theywere just scared of Mizorowski,
that's all that it was.
They didn't want to face the mson wednesday there, so they
pushed it all back and then heended up getting pushed behind
peralta.
Anyways, but big series win forthe brewers, big win against
the cubs there to wrap thatseries up.
So so they've been on a prettygood streak here.

(44:30):
I mean you won three againstthe cards, three out of four,
and then you win one or twoagainst the cubs and then you
win three straight against thetwins.
Now you, now you got thisseries against the Pirates here.
So I mean pretty good stretchthere.
Coming out of the weekend I hada lot of questions, a lot of
questions that I was given, alot of questions I was asked
coming off the weekend there.
So the biggest one I guess wecould talk about here.

(44:52):
To start, I was asked aboutTrevor McGill.
He's getting the job done andhe is.
You're not right, he's gettingthe job done.
He's pitched some gutsy, ballsybig innings for this Brewers
team, but in those gutsy biginnings for the Brewers games

(45:16):
he's ran into some problems, raninto some trouble.
We've seen this right Putmultiple guys on giving up a run
here, whatever Still ended upgetting safe, took care of his
business, made it interestingand it's got a lot of people
questioning.
They're like, oh well, you know, we have a guy in the name of

(45:37):
Abner Yerbe who's beenabsolutely fantastic.
Would you want to switch a guylike Abner Yerbe into a closer's
role and take that away fromMcGill?
Where are you at right now withthis situation?
Where I'm kind of at right nowis that McGill has 17 saves.
He's got a 2.70 ERA.
He's got 32 Ks.

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He's been solid In all of hisopportunity.
I mean, he's been in thisstretch run for the Brewers
where they've been feeling it.
They've been getting back,they've been playing good

(46:18):
baseball.
But Gil's been a big part ofthat.
The energy that he brings intothe ninth.
He's a two-pitch pitcher.
There ain't much complicationto him.
Bring a ball and a heater,that's all he's bringing you.
He gets the job done.
More than that, he gets the jobdone.
So right now, what I say, Imean he's blown two saves.

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So he's got 17 saves, he'sblown two of them.
That's not bad.
So would I say right now, isMcGill the best closer in
baseball?
Probably not.
But would I take McGill?
Yeah, yeah, I think Abner Rebae.
I love Abner Rebae, he'sfantastic.
I love Abner Rebae and what hebrings to the Brewers.

(47:06):
I think even Abner runs into hisown issues.
He could and why take him outof a role that he's been
successful in A closer's role.
Might it, might, you never knowchanging the, the path that he
comes in, how long he's got towait throughout a game, what his
warmup routines like, all thatkind of stuff.

(47:28):
I mean it could be altered andmoving into more of a closer
role.
I don't know what the warm-upwould really be, but his mojo,
everything like that.
Pitchers are weird.
They got weird kicks, they gotweird ticks, they got weird
everything they're different.
So you don't know what if AbnerRibe would be fit for that role
.
So you don't know what if AbnerRebae would be fit for that

(47:49):
role.
I hate to find out the wrong way.
Have him throw him out thereand just switch the roles.
And now he struggles, fallsapart.
I mean quick flip, I guess,flip back, you hope.
But at the end of the day Ilook at it as what's working is
working and McGill is working.
So am I taking him out of thecloser's role?
No, but is there at some point,do I see?

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I think the plan is for CraigYoho.
We saw Craig Yoho a coupletimes now.
I think the plan the whole timehas been for Craig Yoho to take
over at the closer's role atsome point.
He just hasn't.
He struggled when he came up.
I think it's still the plan.
Sometimes you got to messaround with the plan, though,

(48:31):
and I think right now they'remessing around with the plan
Until a guy like that's ready,or maybe somebody else you know
fulfills that role.
Maybe it is a guy like Omni orIbe, whatever it is, but I think
there is a plan aftergill forsomeone to be this closer.
I think mcgill's just a stop.
Yeah, he's just that guy who'sfilling the gap right now, who's

(48:54):
done it pretty darn well.
So, yeah, end of the day, I'mkeeping mcgill in there as a
closer role.
Um, pat murphy off this weekendwhen he I think it was after
that Cubs game there he was, Imean, just screaming a lot of
F-bombs, a lot of F-bombs afterthat Cubs game there.

(49:16):
But watching that series,watching how amped up he gets
and how the players respond andhow they react to him.
Pat Murphy absolutely drives menuts at times, and I've talked
about it.
You want to listen back on thepodcast there with scott sports
on the go trade find across allsocial media and all podcast
platforms.

(49:36):
But you want to listen back,listen to when I, when I lose it
about him sometimes I do.
I lose it about matt murphy Ido.
I think sometimes his pitchingchoice is his uhutions or his
pitching changes.
I think sometimes they drive menuts.
Sometimes we had the overuseperiod, we had all kinds of
stuff that I had wrong with him.

(49:57):
But if there's a guy who's goingto get a team like this over
the top, I think Pat Murphy'sthat guy.
Again, we said it last year,I'll say it again this year With
a roster constructed like this,with not a lot of stars and you
have to find ways to win gamesin weird ways, weird comeback

(50:18):
fashion, bunting this weekend,this last weekend, the amount of
sack flies, bunts, weird stuff,not exactly weird, but not what
you see in baseball these days.
These days it's home run, not alot of average.
I mean, averages have beencoming back a little bit but
it's more of the power ball.

(50:40):
But now with Pat Murphy it'slike, okay, he's more the way
that he manages, the way that hedoes, it is more designed for
what this Brewers roster is.
So for me, you know he drivesme nuts, but man, he can fire
this team up and he, I believe,and I believe he's the guy

(51:02):
that's going to, if anybody'sgoing to be able to make this
thing work, it's Pat Murphy.
I don't really think you couldthrow in.
I think there's a lot of goodmanagers in baseball.
I don't know if you could throwthem into a Milwaukee situation
and make it work, because Ifeel like you've got a lot on
your plate.
You're sitting there thinkingwhy don't we spend money?
We have a decent roster.
Why don't we put pieces inplace?
It seems like we have somemoney left to spend left to

(51:27):
spend.
Why don't we spend it on thisand this?
It just feels like you got todeal with a lot of outside noise
and then also deal with theclubhouse and deal with
everything else and deal withthe day-by-day uh transactions,
everything like that, and withthe injuries and everything that
he's had to deal with and yetsomehow still overcoming.
I mean, at one point you look atwhat they had in spring
training, verse at what.
At one point in spring training, verse what at they had.
As you know, even to a coupleweeks ago, with starting
rotation, you started in springtraining versus what they had,
as you know, even to a coupleweeks ago, with starting

(51:49):
rotation, you started out springtraining.
You're like I got all theseguys and then, all of a sudden,
the only guy left was Freddie,and then Chad Patrick emerged
and then you had Logan Hendersongiving good starts.
Now the Miz is up giving goodstarts there and Quintana's been
good for you, and QuinnPriester coming over has been
fantastic Just the little thingsthat they've been able to do
and to make it work.

(52:10):
It needs to be studied honestly, what they've done with Quinn
Priester and a lot of theseyoung, talented pitchers coming
into this Brewers organization.
I don't think it stops at PatMurphy.
I think there's a lot of creditthat needs to be given across
the board.
For what is this Brewers teamright now?
Because you look at what, whatthe this young pitching staff's

(52:31):
been able to do right, a guylike um Logan Henderson coming
up, or Jacob Mizorowski comingup, or even Quinn Priester
coming over from the Red Sox.
When he came over, how many ofyou out there were like, oh man,
we gave up this really goodprospect.
And if you want to listen backto my show, I was, I was good
with it.
I said he's a good prospect.

(52:51):
But I said quinn priester, he'sgot a lot of talent.
The brewer sees something theylike in him.
Okay, this is a good talentedprospect, but if you look at the
stats right now, he isn'tproducing for the red sox and
quinn priester has been nothingbut fantastic for the brewer.
So it is a lot of kudos on whatPat Murphy's been able to do,
but also what his pitchingcoaches have been able to do,
chris Hook and everybody downthere in the minors all the way

(53:13):
through.
This is just a well-oiledmachine that just finds pitchers
and makes them work.
It's constantly, I guaranteeyou, a lot of organizations get
annoyed because of how often thebrewers will just go out and
grab a random arm, bring them toMilwaukee and somehow make them
a good pitcher again.

(53:34):
Quinn Priester, pitching likean absolute dog since coming to
Milwaukee.
Before that everybody was likethis guy's, like he's fresh meat
out there.
He might as well just throw iton a tee at this point with this
guy Comes to Milwaukee, he'spitching phenomenal.
He got a rough outing againstthe Twins, but it was bound to
happen eventually that he wasgoing to have a rough outing.
I mean, it happens to the bestof them.

(53:56):
But they just continue todevelop and develop good players
.
After you know, here and thereand everything.
Now it's about just gettingthese guys signed up, locked in
for a little while.
That's a big thing for me.
Getting some of these players,uh, locked in for a stretch run
because you'll get the Bravesare able to do in a lot of these

(54:17):
other organizations.
They don't spend a lot.
They have a lot of thesecontracts, like the Jackson
Truro contract, and that's whereI think you got to be with a
lot of guys, because the moreand more you let a guy like
Bryceryce terang hit he'salready a platinum glove winner
you let him hit that contractjust gets bigger.
Even if sal starts to hit, thecontract gets bigger.
You just you look at these guysand you're like, okay, at some
point here we're gonna startpaying guys.

(54:38):
What are we gonna be able toafford them?
Or is like everybody gonnaleave us.
So that's kind of where I'mlooking at this and saying the
Brewers do definitely need tolook into kind of signing these
guys up.
But like all in all round wayaround the barn there, what Pat
Murphy's been able to do withthis roster, this lineup,
everything in between, to rightthe ship and get them a back of
both 500 playing some darn goodbaseball has been great to see.

(55:01):
So Pat Murphy has definitely.
I know a lot of people havebeen over the weeks there like
is he the guy, you know, is hestill the guy?
Yes, he is definitely still theguy, in my opinion, to lead
this team over the top.
Now it's just about findingconsistency and maybe, maybe,
just maybe, getting him sometalent in the room there.
I don't know, maybe go and finda guy like Ryan McMahon out

(55:23):
there.
Maybe, you know, find something.
I don't know what it is.
So we gotta we gotta hit quick,quick, excuse me there.
We gotta hit a quick commercialbreak.
We're gonna come back, we'regonna wrap up the hour and then
we'll get to the next hour here.
We got lots to get to yet todayhere, so we'll be right back
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(56:06):
We got Kyle coming up here.
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Wisconsin Sports on the Go withTrage is coming back for hour
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After this quick commercialbreak, welcome back into the
second hour of Wisconsin Sportson the Go with Trage.
I'm your host, trage.
We're coming back here in hournumber two and this first
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I don't remember if I said Kylewas coming on next or Elmer
Everybody.
They just stop by when theywant to stop by.
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So I told you guys in the firsthour my voice was going to start

(57:32):
to go at some point.
And man, oh man, after thislast break I don't know what it
was, but my voice started to go.
I had this weekend, I told youguys, I had that tournament, uh,
coaching the boys over thereand kobe and I was apparently
too much yelling because myvoice is just.
And then, well, we had anothergame on Tuesday night, so my
voice is just, it's trash now itis just absolutely trashed.

(57:52):
I, I gotta stop yelling.
It's not like I'm yelling atthe boys badly, it's like a.
You know.
You know I'm like yelling likegetting them hyped up and
everything and like let's go.
And yeah, well, oh goodness, Ishould really have laid off of
that.
But Um, ummer, how are we doing?
It's Wednesday, we're back.
It's a good Wednesday.
I mean, it's hot here.
How's it doing over there?

Speaker 3 (58:11):
It's hot, it's very, very hot.
We're talking about like high90s to 100s and like I haven't
been able to take the dogs on awalk because it's just too much
for a man Like you can't doRight now, just trying to get
through this heat wave.

(58:31):
I know the Mrs and I are goingto be going to Cancun this
weekend Adults-only trips solooking forward to that.
In the meantime, it looks likeeverybody's taking vacations
right now to include the Packersin their off-season program.
From the standpoint of now,we're in the dead period.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I guess we're going to have to try to find things to
talk about.
This is our speculation periodof time where we can just start
making up BS that's what we'regoing to make and stuff up.
He is leaving the heat to go toCancun and go probably back to
the heat.
That's the best it's like it'salready hot here and I'm not
going somewhere to cool down,I'm just going to heat it up
again.
Oh man, I've had enough of theheat.

(59:07):
I couldn't go to Cancun.
I'm just praying it's coolingoff, as this week's going along
here and it's actually feelinglike we're getting the four
seasons here in Wisconsin, whereit's kind of getting the fall
weather now after the blazingheat of the weekend.
So I'm doing okay.
I'm doing okay now, so we don'thave things up about the
packers to talk about.
Than we are right.

(59:27):
I mean, you get across therelike I don't know how andy
herman does it on the pack ofday podcast.
He does it every single day.
So does peter bakowski.
Those guys talk packersnon-stop and it's like man, oh
man, you guys dig down to thebare bones to grab stuff to talk
about and that's what we'regoing to do today.
We're going to go to the barebones.
Let's talk talking about stufftoday here.
So Goody talked.
We heard a little bit fromGoody.
He was talking about thecornerback position, a

(59:49):
cornerback position out there asa whole, and he said we have
three guys that have combined tostart over 90 games in the NFL
and I feel really good aboutthose three guys and the
versatility that they bring.
All three guys are able to playinside and outside.
There's not many teams in theleague that probably have three
guys they feel really good about.
Goody says we do.
So you look at the parametersthat that kind of established by

(01:00:12):
pff.
If you look at it, nixon isactually the worst cornerback of
the top three.
Nixon's the worst if you lookat pff grades.
So his 64.1 grade in 2024 thatis still above the average mark.
Valentine ranked in at 65 gradelast year and hobbs you
technically can't look at lastyear because he was injured.
So you look a year before and ayear before he had a 69 grade.

(01:00:34):
So if you put the pff gradesfrom what of recency bias of
these players, nixon's yourworst cornerback.
So I mean, if that holds true,and I know you can only look at
stats for so long.
You got to look on the fieldand get the play.
But, like I said, we're makingthings up at this point.
Right, it's the offseason, it'sthe dead period.
We got to find something totalk about.
Four of the teams with acornerback ranked below the

(01:00:59):
Packers drafted a corner in thefirst two rounds this year of
the draft.
Four of the teams with acornerback rig the lower than
the packers, and there wasn'tmany in that cornerback three
ranking.
So you look at it and there'sgoing to be a competition now
and you're like, okay, is thiscompetition going to be great?
Kaylin king, kamal haddon andmicah and micah robinson there,

(01:01:22):
right, those guys are going tobe vying for those snaps behind
that top three, right?
Oh, and I know jv and bullard'sgonna be in there too.
He's gonna be kind of working.
Is he gonna be a slot?
Is it gonna be a safety?
Where is he gonna work in?
We know evan williams mckinneywill be back there.
I think he's gonna be a littlebit everywhere.
You also gotta look at a guylike isaiah simmons.
He's kind of gonna work in toweird spots too.
So where does he fit in thefold?

(01:01:42):
But I'm looking at this and I'mlike, okay, I see what Goody's
saying.
If Nixon, according tostatistics right, and we can
only take them so far is yourworst corner, you're actually
not bad off, like you're not ina bad spot if Nixon's your worst
.
Now the question is, though, isValentine?
Because, honestly, valentinedidn't really play that bad,

(01:02:05):
it's just everybody's.
The one that sticks out to himis that play against the eagles
when, uh, with the big old tightend, I can't remember dallas
goddard dallas goddard with bigboy ball, and what corner in the
nfl is going to take him out?
not many anymore.
There isn't many anymore.
So it's, it's a question ofokay.
So, valentine, I think he'sokay.

(01:02:25):
Hobbs, if he stays healthy,he's good.
I mean, you don't have aterrible quarterback room.
What worries me the most, Iwould say, is the depth behind
these guys, because it's a lotof question mark on top of
question mark.
Who's gonna be the guy?
And that's where I'm kind ofsitting.
I'm like do you go out and graba guy like maybe, maybe a rando
like stefan gilmore?
He's old, right, he's not, he'sused, he's used like a used

(01:02:50):
napkin at this point.
But but I mean he's, he'sexperienced, right, you have a
lot of inexperience in here.
You just need a guy who you canmaybe throw in there, have in
every 15 snaps or whatever, makeit work.
There's tool douglas, anotherguy.
So I mean almer, where you atright now.
You hear this kind of quotefrom goody there saying he feels
comfortable with what he's gotin the room.
But I'm looking at the depthand saying that's my worry.

(01:03:12):
The big worry for me is thatdepth behind him.
Where are you kind of at withthis cornerback room?
Are you in the same boat whereyou're like we got to go get
something, at least something tokind of bolster the depth here
of this rotation?

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
I think Goody is a product of his own demise,
because he's at a point nowwhere he has to say that, right,
because he can't come back andbe like well, last two years I
passed on corners in the firstsix rounds and I'm going to now
decide to say that yeah, youknow I'm not really too happy
but I'm going to make some moves.
So he's going to tell everyoneeverything's okay.
He's kind of like the dog inthe burning house saying this is
fine and he basically is kindof playing that gift to its max.

(01:03:50):
I think that they do expect tojump from carrington valentine.
He has improved every year.
He's gained weight, he's gottenbetter at this craft.
His uh I think his pass reign,uh against is probably one of
the lower ones and you knowkeishon nixon being uh in a
part-time role as a specialteams player and corner.
That was something we did see alot last year.
I think that played into himhaving some really good games

(01:04:11):
and really bad games not badgames but not, you know, subpar
games.
It's one of those ones whereit'll be interesting to see,
like as the season progresses,especially in training camp, how
that competition is going to go, because I think the thing you
said about jevon bullard isgoing to be interesting.
Is he going to play full-timesafety or is he going to play
slot?
And with Nate Hobbs now beingthere, like you said, we have

(01:04:33):
our three and then everybodyelse behind us is going to be
kind of jockeying for position.
They have to kind of be able toperform on special teams as
well too.
I feel like Mike Robinson andKaelin King do have good tape in
previous years and can DerekHley and can Halfley be able to
kind of like pull something fromthat?
You know, because I feel likerookie corners that come in they

(01:04:54):
have the ignorance bliss.
They don't really don't knowwhat they don't know, if that
makes any sense in the sensethat they go out there and just
play right and they're notreally thinking they're kind of
almost going off talent, more sothan they are like off scheme
and when they get older secondyears where you see them trying
to combine the two.
That's why you see a lot ofsecond year players kind of have
a little bit of a regression,and that third year was a lot of

(01:05:15):
receivers as well as otherplayers kind of take that jump
right, and I feel like we'regoing to see that across the
field, across a lot of positions.
I think jordan's going to havethat kind of jump in his third
year as a starter.
You're going to have those kindof jumps in the secondary with
Carrington Valentine Of course.
Now Keyshawn being trulycornerback one.
I don't really expect him tosee him very.
He did say that he would dokick returns, but I feel like we

(01:05:39):
have the guys back there atother positions that can take
over.
I think Meikle Hardman can justtake care of both punt return
and kick return.
We're good.
I Hardman can just take care ofboth punt return and kick
return.
We're good.
I feel like the Bo Melton thingis interesting.
I don't know if it's like thewide receiver room is very
crowded so they're just tryingto see if they can make a square
peg fit into a round hole kindof thing.
Maybe it works, maybe itdoesn't.
Goody doesn't really have muchof a choice to say other than

(01:06:02):
what he did, and knowing thatnow they could make a move,
think going for russell douglaswould be great.
I know that a lot of people seeit a bad year last year, which
he did statistically, uh.
But then again, though, whenyou look at the secondary in
buffalo.
It wasn't like the over thatgreat anyways.
I mean, they just traded awaytheir first round pick from a
couple years ago.
They've kind of basicallyrevamped their whole defense.
So I think we shouldn't kind ofhold that against russell as

(01:06:22):
well as, like you know, thejalen ramsey stuff is out there
where I know he's older, I knowthat he seems more hyped than he
is actual talent, but, truth betold, he doesn't miss any games
and he is a very big corner.
He's the second overall pick,uh, from many, many years ago,
and I know he's been a littlebit of a mercenary.
But I know we, as well as thepittsburgh steelers, are kind of

(01:06:43):
in the name for jalen ramseyright now.
For For me I think it'll beinteresting to see who we do
bring in.
I do remember that year when webrought in Devontae Campbell
and we're like, oh man, who'sthis dude?
He's going to be a specialteams guy, he's going to be just
a camp body.
And then what happened?
He had an all-pro year as alinebacker for us, right.
So I think that we could see apickup like that some obscure

(01:07:05):
player who we're not reallythinking about, just like we did
russell douglas.
He was literally a practicesquad candidate we put in a game
and basically literallyrevitalized his whole career.
So you never know, and withisaiah's sentence thing I do
agree that he has like thatability to be in the chess piece
.
But based on his comments andwhat he was saying, he's being
told now that he's going to bestrictly playing linebacker and

(01:07:27):
he likes that because he's beendoing so much of everything for
so long he's never been able tojust learn one position.
I think putting him out therelinebacker at his size and speed
, I mean he could be something,he could be a difference maker.
I mean he's basically as big asquay walker yeah, it's a
linebacker, right, and he's asathletic as him, if not more.
So.
It's so many questions on thatsecondary and even with, like

(01:07:50):
Evan Williams coming up andXavier McKinney being there,
it's kind of like our focalpoint, our captain, basically
back there.
It will be interesting to seejust kind of what they decide to
do with the young talent theyhave.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Yeah, how they rotate it in.
And how do you not?
I think Javion Bullard was moreor less.
He was flipped around too muchlast year.
You had to give him one to tryto figure that out and they they
were like oh, let's play theslot now today, and then
tomorrow we'll play safety andwe'll try to work that around.
It's like I was trying tofigure out 14 positions at one
time and just never.
It never stuck with them.
So I'm interested to see how itworks and I like the Isaiah

(01:08:25):
Simmons being able to just getinto that one role and you know
that mindset there how that'sall going to work out.
I don't know Quay, and thenEdger and Cooper, isaiah
McDuffie You're going to have alot of moving pieces there, so
we'll see how it all works.
I'm interested to see how thisdefense works.
Halfley in year two, I miss aguy like Corey Ballantyne,
valentine had a lot of upsideand then he just got an injury

(01:08:46):
prone season.
I mean, look at his 2023 stats.
He was pretty good.
I mean 43 combined on justinjefferson.
He was, he was solid, he was agood corner and then they kind
of just like, oh, he was injured, so gave up on him, they just
didn't have enough of that tapeon him.
I'm interested to see what doyou do with rashid walker?

(01:09:07):
yeah because he's gonna want apayday and you're gonna be
trying to make a payday of eltonjenkins.
You're gonna want to pay a guylike zach tom.
Do you want to pay a guy likerashid walker?
And this is where I thinkgooney tried to outsmart the
world once again.
Anthony belton, jordan morganhe's not even signed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
You know Belton's not even signed yet.
Nope, that's a great thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Nope, I think those two guys right there are the.
We don't want to pay this guy,so we are going to.
I would not be surprised ifRasheed Walker is playing in
kind of this duo tandem role andhe's playing less snaps, even
though he is probably the betterof the two at the time because
he's a little more experiencedprobably.
I mean, I just I can really seethem saying Jordan Morgan, you

(01:09:53):
are the 55 percent to 45 percent, like that's where we're
rolling with this one right now.
They're trying to you.
You almost have to.
If you're not going to signRashid Walker back, and if
you're going to, you got to signup to a pretty penny.
If you're not going to sign himback, you have to play these

(01:10:14):
other guys a majority of thesnaps they have.
You have to get them in thereand get their feet wet and take
it pretty much, take it over andit stinks.
But rasheed walker, at the sametime I mean yes, it's gonna
suck for him because he's like I, I want to be out there, I want
to play, but at the same timehe's kind of sitting there like,
uh, they already got the tapeon me, they know I'm, they know
I'm good, like they don't.
They, if they don't really wantme here, I'm just not gonna go
get injured I.
What are you doing right now?
Because for me I'm.

(01:10:35):
I'm taking my two young guysand I'm letting them run because
it's a prove it.
Now those two need to prove itand they need to step up in a
big way because you're going tohave a lot of linemen contract.
The packers did a really goodjob building a really good
offensive line.
The problem is now all thecontracts are going to come up
at the same time and you'regoing to have to make those
tough decisions of who stays andwho goes.

(01:10:55):
Zach tom is definitely staying.
Elton jenkins you want him tostay.
You're probably rashid walker'slike, uh, he's good, but I mean
at the same time, am I, am Igoing to pay top dollar to keep
them?
I don't think so.
So where are you at right nowwith that offensive line room?

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
it's funny, like I follow this guy who's like been
a little bit of an antagonisttowards, like the ian
rappaport's and adam shefflersheffler's of the world his name
is a pretty ricky and he'salways, I think he just has a
connect with some agents whogive him a lot of information
about guys and he basically waslike, oh, the packers are
working on an extension fromrashid walker, right, and people
are like, well, maybe he meantquay walker, he just saw walker
and extensions, put the twotogether and let's make that

(01:11:33):
assumption now, end of the day,I think what you said about
having these guys kind of comeup on contracts right now is the
unfortunate part about draftand develop, especially when you
draft really well in the sameyear.
Right, we had that problem withour receivers.
You got Romeo Dobbs, you gotWatson, then you got Reed and
Wicks.
All of them are going to becoming up at the same time.
Now, in the same thing withZach Tom, rasheed Walker, you

(01:11:55):
got Elton Jenkins, who stillwants to get at least some
guaranteed money on the last twoyears of his deal because he
has none now.
Right, and you can say, hey,that was the fault of your agent
, or you can say that was shrewddecision making by the packers.
But if you are banking on himbeing the linchpin in the center
of your offensive line, thenfor me you need to make that

(01:12:17):
first happen, because that'syour vet, that's your guy,
that's gonna basically telleverybody where to go.
Now, when it comes to the walkerand, I'm sorry, when it comes
to morgan and belton inparticular, a part of me is like
, yeah, you want to see whatthey can do, but I'm not just
giving them anything.
I think that's the problem thatyou kind of have sometimes with
gms.
They're like, oh, why draftthis guy in the first round?
Why draft this guy with a highsecond round pick?

(01:12:37):
I want them out thereregardless of what you think.
No, they need to earn it.
Like, I'm sorry, rashid walkerhas been above above average
pass for a protector.
He's been about an average runblocker, but he's still pretty
good for a seventh round pick.
Right.
And if you're going to, ifyou're going to have him compete
with Morgan or with Belton,then you do that, you compete.

(01:12:58):
You don't just give either oneof them the job, and I feel like
we have an abundance of riches.
When it comes to offense line,we still got Jacob Mon monk out
there, who is, you know,prototypical center that came
out of duke um, who's, you know,just been recently engaged, so
looking forward to him gettingmarried.
All these, all these guysgetting married, it's pretty
cool.
Uh, then you got jordan.
Yeah, jordan love gettingmarried this year too.
I just think the offensive line, as great as it looks you can't

(01:13:21):
forget about sean ryan outthere but I feel like you're
gonna get that, like um, what myman, john Runyon type of
contract next year somewhereelse.
We have a lot of guys thatthere's a lot of question marks
on the offensive line with a lotof talent.
The question is, okay, a, who'sgoing to get those jobs?
And B, can they gel?
Right, because it's great tohave all this talent, but if
they can't play together as anoffensive line, it doesn't mean

(01:13:41):
anything.
Right?
It's like you know that's whereButkus and Steadle need to come
in.
You know I haven't been thebiggest Butkus fan, but again,
for the most part, realizingwhat those guys are going
through, last year you know theywere doing the best they can.
You know what Zach Tom?
He's due for a contract thisyear, right, that's supposed to
be worked out.
People kind of forget that hecame into the season last year

(01:14:03):
with a torn pec and he playedbasically through that right and
that last, unfortunately, thatlast game of the season against
the eagles, everybody looked badon the offensive line.
I'm just gonna be real, thewhole, basically whole offense
looked bad, you know, and wejust had just people dropping
like flies.
We were like literally like thethe injury uh option in madden
was on like you know, on likemadden mode.

(01:14:24):
Basically Everybody was gettingbanged.
It was insane.
But I just I'm with you whereit's like all right, you made
these picks and you made bothpicks that I felt like were
beyond their like status.
You know, if you do the draftindustrial complex, right,
belton was a fourth round pick,second round, you got Morgan who
was a borderline first secondround pick, but I just felt like

(01:14:45):
you were adding it to aposition where you really didn't
need to add.
But I guess you know whenpeople say, hey, if you had to
get better at the trenches.
So it's a lot of questions.
Uh, I I'm actually upset withmyself that giving my evaluation
, I'm not giving you guys a trueanswer.
Um, I really don't know whatthey're gonna do there.
To be honest with you and I'mlooking forward to seeing how it

(01:15:06):
plays out.
I just hope to god that there'sno like, hey, we draft this guy
in the first round.
He needs to play no matter what.
No, yeah, he needs to earn it.
I'm sorry like if, if at theend of the day he doesn't earn
the job, you either trade him oryou cut him.
You keep, you cut your losses,you don't.
You're always a backup and youjust call it a day like let's
not try to force things for thesake of draft status.

(01:15:27):
We did that with Jason Spriggs.
That was the worst thing thatwe ever did to ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
No, and that's kind of where I'm at with that 55, 45
.
It's the.
You know, you're still tryingto have him earn it, you're
still making him earn that job,but you're also giving him the
first team reps.
You're like, ah, you're goingto be a first teamers a little
bit more than what Rashid isright off the bat.
And then, if it comes down to itand you failed, you got to bite
the bullet and say I failed andRashid Walker, okay, now you

(01:15:53):
get to go and we have to try andfigure this out later.
So that's, that's kind of whereI'm at with that one, but I'm,
I got to run here.
I mean, hey, let everybody knowwhere they can find you across
social media out there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Sounds good, man.
I appreciate you, bro.
You can find me on Twitter atAMAR3455.
I'm starting to slowly get myInstagram out there, so it's at
AMAR345 on that.
I try to keep it prettyconsistent and you know we are
on a little bit of a break rightnow on Coast to Coast Packers
because there's just not muchgoing on.
I know that me and Tragg aretrying to get back onto this.
Hopefully next I come to thismeeting, hopefully next week as

(01:16:25):
a player.
I'm not going to try and makeany promises this week, but
definitely next week.
And as always, man, thank youfor having me.
It's always an honor.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Of course it was a great time, as always.
We will be right back here,elmer, thank you.
As always, we'll be right backhere.
We're going to get Kyle on.
We're going to talk NBA.
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So, kyle, how we doing.
It's wednesday, it's a goodwednesday.
I hoping for you.
How's it going on thiswednesday?
I?

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
mean it's.
It's a good Wednesday, I hope.
And for you, how's it going onthis Wednesday?
I mean it's going well.
You know the NBA season is over, but offseason already making
some news, so I'm definitelyinvested.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
It has already been different.
It's been a different offseasonalready, so I can't wait to
talk about that?
Kyle was sick last week, hewasn't able to stop by, so we
got all kinds of stuff we haveto get to tonight and Kyle was
gone last week so we weren'table to do the Mellow Yellow
Minute, the trivia hour here onthe show.
So, Kyle, here we go.
If you got your favoritebeverage sitting next to you,

(01:18:22):
make sure you're cracking itright now, as I always do here
on the show and the mellowyellow minute question of the
day Trage's most disliked teamsWe'll go top five.
We'll see if Kyle can get maybethree of the top five.
Kyle, what do you got?
Trage's most disliked teams.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
I feel like one has to be the Bears.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Bears are on there.
Number three has to be thebears.
Bears are on there.
Number three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Number three on that list is the Chicago bears.
So then I'm going to go Got tobe the cubs.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Cubs are number two number two on the list.
Kyle's, like the cubs and thebears, are two and three.
Who is number one?
So number one could go I cangive you a hint, but I don't
know if you remember this.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
I was going to say Pacers.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Well, the Pacers are a new profound hatred.
I can't say hate.
Grandma says never say hate.
I dislike.
I dislike the Pacers.
I would throw them in myprobably top six.
They'd be number six, I'd putthem in there Number one.
You would have to go to collegebasketball, that's what I was
thinking they're football team'sdog.

(01:19:40):
You would have to also lookback at a championship run the
Badgers had which was ended dueto terrible officiating.
And I will die on that hillsaying that it was terrible
officiating.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Yeah, these are teams I was going to get to, so Duke
has to be that basketball team.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Number one.
Number one on the list is theDuke Blue Devils.
Thank you for the 2015 NationalChampionship.
Duke is on that list.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
So college football one, I'm thinking let's go Ohio
State.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Ohio State.
I dislike them because they'regood.
I dislike them because they'regood.
I'd throw them in there,probably my number five.
They'd be my number five.
It is one more college teamthat is in my top five.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
I would say let's go Penn State.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Penn State is yes.
Yes, I throw Penn State inthere.
My hatred of Minnesota is notas high as Penn State.
Penn State just drives me up awall.
I'll give you that one so I'llget number four with Penn State
there.
That was a solid round, kyle.
That was a solid round.
Kyle's gone for a week.
He prepared, he prepared forthis moment here.
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(01:20:59):
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Let us know your thoughts aboutall things NBA.
We'd love to talk about it withyou here.
So, kyle, the NBA Finals itkind of it was how we wanted it
to go.
It went seven.

(01:21:19):
It was an exciting series.
I enjoyed it.
But, kyle, I mean there was alot of the so-called like great
analysts of the world, right,the great, the great sports
minds that we get to listen toevery day across the mothership,
as dan patrick would say, andeverywhere else, that said that
this finals was subpar, thisthunder team was not that good

(01:21:43):
and it was just uh, oh, theywere lucky that Tyrese
Halliburton got hurt.
I mean, at the end of the day,I was intrigued by this finals
it was different.
Like people want stars, right,they just all they want is stars
.
They want LeBron, they wantSteph, they want man.

(01:22:05):
I don't even know if they wantGiannis, sometimes they want
Jokic.
They want those guys.
They don't even know if theywant Giannis, sometimes they
want Jokic.
They want those guys.
They don't want Shea Gildress,alexander and who is Jalen
Williams?
Who is Dort?
Who is this Dort guy that'sknocking down shots?
Who is TJ McConnell?
Who are these guys that we'rewatching right now in the finals
?
They don't want that.
They don't want new, they don'twant change.
They don't want thisrevolutionary style of

(01:22:27):
basketball that we're seeing.
Kyle, I mean, what were yourthoughts coming off of this
finals?
Because there's a lot of hatecoming into this.
What we saw and I actuallyenjoyed it.
I actually, for once, I satthere and I enjoyed watching all
seven games of the NBA finals.
What were your thoughts of thisfinals as a whole?

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
finals.
As a whole, I feel like it wasa kind of a good finish to
somewhat of an unpredictableplayoffs.
In general, I mean, I saidbefore the series I was on here,
the last four teams that wereremaining Pacers, thunder best
case scenario.
I think it played out that wayand in terms of the star quality

(01:23:10):
.
So at times I think NBA mediacan be kind of lazy and they
just like what they know just togo off of lazy narratives.
For me, I enjoy watching newteams get to places they haven't
been to see how they react.
So the Thunder this was theirfirst opportunity in the finals.

(01:23:32):
I thought they played reallywell.
Opportunity in the finals Ithought they played really well.
Sga, williams and those guyshave created a name for
themselves.
And I also think the Thunderand Pacers represent what Adam
Silver's NBA like, his visionfor it Teams that build through
draft picks, through depth andjust spraying the ball around.

(01:23:58):
Now I think the Pacers do thata little bit more than the
Thunder do.
But, like you said, the Thunderyou have to deal with not only
SGA, it's Williams, it'sHolmgren, you know Dort
defensively, kaysen Wallace,caruso.
Pacers you're looking atHalliburton who unfortunately
did get hurt and I love the factthat he came out and said that

(01:24:19):
he would do it all over again,knowing what he knows now.
He would still play injuredbecause it's the finals.
You never know when you'regoing to get back there.
So I thought it was great and,like I said with the Pacers,
you're talking about Siakam.
I thought Siakam had a greatplayoff run.
I'm not the biggest Siakam guy,but I can sit here and

(01:24:40):
appreciate his game a little bitmore, because my whole thing is
, if he's your number one,you're not going anywhere.
But in Indiana he was like yournumber two, played great
Namhard.
There were names there that Ikind of hope, like casual fans,
can now appreciate a little bitmore because of this final
series that was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
It was an interesting comment by halliburton, because
I was going to ask you aboutthat.
You know, because he mentionedit.
You know, looking back on, oh,I do it all over again.
I don't know if I was becausewe saw we've seen this now.
Right, we've seen this multipletimes.
Tatum, he had the calf strainand then all of a sudden he
tears it.
And then you have DamianLillard, he tears it.
We've seen this story before.

(01:25:23):
We've seen this all unfold.
And now we just saw withHalliburton in that finals game
and it's like okay, nowHalliburton is going to be out
for most of next season,damian's going out, who knows,
for the box.
And then tatum, the celtics arepreparing for life without him
next season.
So it's like would you, ifyou're the pacers, are you
sitting there?
Like, should I really?
Maybe, maybe I should have justsaid okay, you can go out there

(01:25:46):
and spotty moments.
But how do you risk spottymoments?
Right?
So it's, it's so hard, it's sohard, and I know tyree said that
.
But at the end of the day, ifyou're a pacers fan, you're like
okay, okay, I know that Iwanted you out there, but now I
look ahead and it's like okay,you're out for next season.
I agree with you, though.
You liked the comment.

(01:26:06):
You liked that he was willingto go back out there and he said
he would do it all over again.
I think that shows a toughplayer and what he was trying to
get at Coming off this series.
So now we come off this series.
It was a season where therewasn't really that.
You know, it always felt likethere was that one team every

(01:26:26):
year, which you know, with youngstars that played well, and
then they just run into LeBronor something like that in the
playoffs and get knocked out.
We finally avoided that, whichwas great.
Now we get to move into thisoffseason, do I?
I had a question for you and II wanted this one answer,
because we saw the kd move rightand it happened while the
finals was technically stilleverything was still happening.

(01:26:48):
Do you think that the nba shouldnot allow trades to happen at
that moment?
Because, like, how?
Okay, I don't know if okcactually wanted to go after
kevin durant, if that wasactually even a thought in their
head, right, but what are yousupposed to?
If you're okc, how do you evenmake a trade?
For, like, you're in the finalsright now, how do you make a
trade for kd and say hey, uh, bythe way, wallace and dort like

(01:27:08):
hey, after this series is done,like deuces man, you can't do
that.
And the pacers, they're kind ofin the same boat because now
they're without halliburton.
Maybe bringing in a score likekd could have, you know, filled
in that gap year for them thatthey're going to be missing a
score.
They, you know mcconnell can doa little bit, but I don't think
he's going to be that truescore.
Do you think that they shouldhave this period where you can't

(01:27:32):
make moves like this?
You have have to wait until theseason wraps up, because
otherwise I just feel like it's,you know, kind of like the
transfer portal in collegesports where it opens up so
early.
It kind of goes against theseteams that are still playing.
It hurts them with being ableto make these moves, cause, I
mean, drew holiday got movedtoday but he ended up with the
blazers there.
I mean it just.
Do you think that they shouldwait with opening that up so

(01:27:55):
that way these teams like OKCand the Pacers in this series
have that ability to go after aguy, because they're going to
have free agents and they maybehave wanted a shot at a guy like
KD.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
But now they don't get that because the Rockets
were given all that time to beable to go and grab him.
I mean, I think if they couldthey would.
Problem is the calendar.
The series ends Sunday, youhave the draft Wednesday, then
you have summer league, I thinkin a week and a half.
So a lot of these teams need tokind of get going with some of

(01:28:36):
their construction for nextseason already.
And look if the Thunder I feellike if they were interested in
KD they could have had somepreliminary conversation with
the Sun and waited until afterthe series and then announced
something the fact that he'sgoing to Houston.
I'm assuming the Thunderweren't interested because for
them they'd have to mortgagesome of their future for a guy

(01:28:57):
like kevin durant and theyprobably decided why do it?
yeah worst case we make to agame seven finals and we lose.
Like we should be right thereagain next season yeah, yeah,
yeah, I, you know, I can see.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
I just, I guess not just the kd situation, but
looking at you know other guyswhere it's going to probably
come up with the same kind ofscenario in the future, just
because we all know how muchsocial media is there and how
much stuff gets leaked.
So the second, the thunder,pick up the phone and call the
sons.
Now KD finds out and he's likehey, just so you guys know, this
is what's going on right now.

(01:29:31):
And then all of a sudden, thethunder players are like, oh, my
, like.
All of a sudden, the Thunderplayers are like, oh my, like
who's getting moved?
And then it just, you know,locker rooms get destroyed.
That way Problems arise.
And I, I, just I, I would beokay.
You know, I understand thecalendar year.
Maybe you kind of move thingsback.
I don't know what you do Right,but there's gotta be a better
way, some way to kind of negatethis until after the finals, I

(01:29:54):
guess.
But what, whatever, what canyou do?
Right, the calendar year worksout, how the calendar year works
out.
So we got a couple things herebefore we, we get, before you
got to get out of here.
But, um, you see.
So you talk about the nba draft.
It's realistically cooper flagright.
It's got to be cooper flaggoing number one.
If it's not, the mavs drop theball right, okay okay I mean at

(01:30:15):
least, at least everybody's allon the same pitch.
I, I can't wait if they, ifnico, does not draft cooper flag
after training luca, that wouldbe wild, that'd be absolutely
wild.
I mean, there's some goodprospects in there and I I've
always been at the camp of.
I think cooper flag's a goodplayer, I do, I think I think
he's great, but I just don't.

(01:30:35):
He's not polished, he's notdone, he's not finished off
Right.
And I hate when they put theseguys already in the league,
already as a star, already as asuperstar on this platform.
Right, zion Williamson camefrom Duke too.
They put him on his big oldplatform.
Where's he now?
He's like he's a subpar player.
He are injured all the time.
Now, that's got a whole bunchto do with off the court stuff

(01:30:56):
and you know that kind of stuff.
But I mean I think cooper flagcould be great.
I'm not.
I think he will be good, Ithink he's gonna be great.
But I just I hate when analystsand you know all these they
just put them up on thisplatform before they're even
there.
Let them get into the league.
Right, michael jordan who knewmichael jordan was going to be
michael jordan before Jordan,before Michael Jordan came in
the league, and there's going tobe guys like that who come

(01:31:17):
through maybe this draft, who wedon't expect.
Look at Shea Gildress, alexanderwho is that?
Who was Jalen Williams beforehe went to OKC?
Who was this guy right?
And all of a sudden he's a starand everybody wants him.
And then you have these youngguys coming out of the I think I
said G League Ignite with JalenGreen, and Singun came from out

(01:31:38):
of there too.
I mean those guys are allcoming from these different
places.
So I mean they all come fromdifferent areas.
Weird colleges, right, most ofthe stars come from weird
colleges.
I've accepted that.
Now there's not if you lookacross the league, like there's
a few Kentucky guys, there's afew Duke guys, but at the end of
it there's a lot of like randos, like Steph Curry and Kyle

(01:31:59):
Corver came from random one.
It's just a lot of randos thatgo throughout this league.
So I mean that it's the NBAdraft.
Who knows what's going tohappen there?
The bucks All we know is thebucks will probably not draft in
the first round, unless ifshams gets what he wants and
Giannis is traded, because Shamsis he's the biggest advocate
for Giannis to be traded and ifit happens, shams is going to be

(01:32:20):
the first one to say I told youguys, I told you guys it was
happening.
And Giannis is even going to belike I didn't know this was
happening.
The Bucks would be like Ididn't know this was happening.
Apparently, shams just knew.
So, on Giannis, I got a questionfor you, kyle.
Okay, before we get out of here, stephen A tells me that
Giannis is an underachiever ifhe only gets that one finals
with the Bucs and he's basicallyjust didn't do good enough in

(01:32:45):
the league.
He had more potential andshould have done a lot more.
What do you think, kyle, ifGiannis sticks with Milwaukee,
which is good for basketball, Ithink good for the league and I
think it's good for the people.
I think it's good for yannis ifhe sticks with milwaukee and
say they only win one morefinals.
Maybe they get to theconference finals a couple times
, whatever, but they don't getto the finals, they don't win

(01:33:07):
the finals.
Maybe they get to the finals,but they don't win.
Do you believe that yannis is anunderachiever in his career?
Because if he is, there is alaundry list of players,
including AI, including some ofthese really good players
throughout the years, that wewould have to throw on the same
list of being an underachiever,and I would love to hear their

(01:33:30):
thoughts, to give Stephen A,about what they think.
Oh, he's underachieved in hiscareer too.
So, kyle, what do you think IsGiannis an underachieved in his
career too?
So, kyle, what do you think isyannis an underachiever if he
does not win another finals orif he does not get out of
milwaukee?
Basically, because that's whatthey want.
They just want to push thisnarrative until he just leaves.
What do you think, kyle?

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
it's it's lazy narrative again and, like you
said, steven a's been a bigproponent of yannis getting out
and going to Miami or something.
I mean Stephen A is the sameguy who said he roots for the
finals to be in Miami or LAbecause that's where he wants to
be.
So I find it hard to believethat, milwaukee not being a

(01:34:12):
necessarily desirable place forfree agents to go, giannis goes
there, develops into the playerthat he is now, because you got
to remember what he looked likewhen he was drafted versus now.
The fact that he transformedhis body that way, that in
itself is a big achievement.
Then he manages to do so andwin a title in Milwaukee, where

(01:34:39):
they beat Chris Paul.
So I guess Chris Paul is anunderachiever as well.
But they call Chris Paul thepoint.
God.
Hard to think you're going tocall somebody a point guard and
then call him an underachiever.
But he doesn't have any ringswhy Giannis kept him from
winning one.
So it is.
So it's such a stupid thing tosay.

(01:35:00):
I don't think Giannis is anunderachiever.
I agree with you.
I would love to see Giannisfinish his career in Milwaukee.
I mean that means he's probablygot to have some more battles
against my Celtics, but Irespect Giannis.
Giannis is a guy who goes outthere night in and night out and
he gives you everything he has.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
I would say he should be in the MVP talks, simply
because he scores 30-plus pointsa game and doesn't shoot threes
to get there Like the rest ofthese guys that score 30-plus
points a game.
They shoot threes to get there.
Giannis plays layups we'rebully ball down the lane Like he

(01:35:41):
plays old-style basketball andstill scores and rebounds just
as much as everybody else inbasketball there.
I mean, I was just looking itup.
I had to look up the list ofguys and this is just a small
list.
But Jerry West won championship, oscar Robinson won
championship, moses Malone wonchampionship, kevin Garnett, bob
Pettit, rick Barry, dirkNowinski, clyde Drexler, the
list goes on.
But I can just tell you thisright now If all those guys are

(01:36:02):
underachievers and you putGiannis on that same list, oh
okay, shoot, darn it, crap, I'llget over it.
It means that Giannis went downas one of the best players to
ever play the game.
One of those guys is the logo.
I don't know what else to say.
Giannis could be the next logothen.
Sorry, stephen A, he'll be thenext logo.

(01:36:24):
So, kyle, thank you, as alwaysfor coming on tonight here.
Let the people know where tofind you out there, across
social media.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
Yeah, you can find me Chomping at the Bit.
Youtube, Facebook, TikTok,Twitter X, whatever you want to
call it.
You can find me wherever, AlsoSpotify, and wherever you listen
to podcasts as well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Make sure you're checking him out.
He's always got great stuff andas this NBA offseason gets
going here he's going to betalking about it all the time.
You know it, over there in theCeltics they're making moves
already so it's going to getcrazy and there you want to keep
up to date with the moves,latest transactions, everything
like that Football season aroundthe corner.
You got to keep up with it withKyle there, so make sure you're
checking him out there acrosssocial media.
So thank you, kyle.
As always, we'll be right backhere on Wisconsin Sports on the

(01:37:20):
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So went to the break.
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I want to talk a little bit ofBrewers here as we get closer
and closer to the end of theshow here.
We were talking about theBrewers in the first hour and I

(01:38:46):
got to.
You know a little bit ofeverything the pitching staff,
everything in between and withthis pitching staff, what's
happening right now.
So Woodruffruff, according toreports, looks like he's going
to make one rehab start and thenhe's going to be.
He's going to be ready to go.
He's going to be ready to comeback up to the big leagues,
right?
Nestor Cortez, also makingrehab starts.
He's looking like he's going tobe before the all-star break.

(01:39:07):
They're expecting Nestor back.
So you have, the Calvary isslowly on its way.
Not Garrett Mitchell, because wesaw Garrett Mitchell.
Now it's looking like he'sgonna be all eight to ten weeks
again with an injury with thatshoulder.
So I mean it sucks, it reallydoes.
Because Garrett Mitchell's thatguy and I heard somebody
compare I think it was Tim Allen, was talking about him and he
said something you know,comparing him to what Paul

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Molitor was early in his career.
Whereas if this guy could stayhealthy right, that's where I'm
at with Garrett Mitchell it'slike if this guy could stay
healthy, if Garrett Mitchellcould stay healthy, just imagine
what he could be able to do.
He's got all.
He's got the attributes right.
He's got the speed, he's gotthe power, he's got the glove,
he's got everything that youwant in a solid on base power
hitting lefty from the outfieldspot.

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He just can't stay out there.
It sucks, it really does.
So.
He looks like he's gonna be outfor a while, for a while
injured.
That same shoulder, blakeperkins slowly working his way
back, but looking at thatpitching staff, you have a guy
like woody on his way back.
You expect that you're going tomake room for him in some way,
shape or form.
Nester cortez on his way back.
What do you do?
Because, as of right now, Istill don't understand why logan

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henderson isn't up.
I I like chad patrick, I thinkhe's a gamer, but chad patrick,
I think, has been the worst ofwhat we've seen in this rotation
.
With Miz.
Now you have Katana, you have,right now you have Freddie
Peralta up at the top.
There he's been pitching well.
You have solid rotation acrossthe board, but where's your?
You got to find like, where isyour weak link?

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Right, where, where?
And Quinn Priester has beenfantastic.
So where is your weak link?
Right where it where?
And quinn priester has beenfantastic.
So where is your weak linkcoming right now?
And I would say it's chadpatrick at this very moment.
Now I'm not trying to knock onchad patrick because he's been
solid.
He had a good, solid start.
He's just kind of ran into abuzzsaw, as of late here he had
a struggle in that game againstthe pirates there in game one.
It means some people arealready calling for him to be

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gone.
I don don't understand why rightnow Logan Henderson is still
down in the minors because whathe's shown when he's come up,
there's no reason why ChadPatrick still got the job out
there.
The question is now do youshift guys to the minors?
Because there's guys withoptions, right?
Grant Anderson's got an optionout there in the bullpen.
We know that.
You have Aaron Ashby, but AaronAshby is a guy that the Brewers

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.
You have Aaron Ashby, but AaronAshby is the guy that the
Brewers they just will nevergive up on.
They think the world of him sohe ain't going anywhere.
Dl Hall they still think he'llbe a starter.
So maybe you see a guy like DLHall, maybe shift back down to
the minors where they get himmore extended innings, right,
and then maybe you move a guyout to the bullpen like a Chad
Patrick.
Right now I still think whereI'm at with this rotation is you

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use guys as trade bait.
I don't know if you want totrade a guy like Quintana,
because he's been great.
I mean, if it's thatdouble-edged sword, right, you
got to find, you give.
You have guys who have beengreat for you that you'd hate to
see go, because you'd hate tosee him go somewhere, that's
going to beat you, right.
But at the same time will theybring good prospect?
All Freddie Peralta, you right.

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But at the same time will theybring good prospect?
All Freddy Peralta?
I think right now would bring apretty good hall back for me.
It's been fantastic.
He's got another year ofcontract with an option there.
He's been great.
I would say Freddy would be anoption.
Quintana, he's going to be arental, but you could still get
guys back for him.
You're going to have guysacross the board.
I mean, nestor Cortez would beanother guy where you could see
maybe somebody making a deal forhim.
It's going to be, you know,bring him back for a couple
spotty starts.

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So the question is what do youdo?
Do you go to six-man rotation?
Do you move a guy to thebullpen?
How do you work?
Who do you send down?
Like, how do you work thisthing?
It's a good problem to havewith all the depth.
Now the problem is is, with allthat depth, getting those guys
innings, meaningful innings,where they should be within,
whether it's the rotation,because I mean logan henderson,

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is he getting meaningful?
I mean, yes, he's gettingmeaningful innings down in
triple a, but at the same time,are they?
Could he do those at the bigleague level and do it better
than what chad patrick's doing?
I, I think so.
So it is bringing a guy likewoodruff back.
Do you bring him back to thebullpen?
And then, who do you move down?
Is it a guy like Grant Anderson?

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Probably is that.
Strinsky would be a guy where Icould see him getting moved
around.
Outside of that, maybe a guylike Dia Hall does get sent down
at one point, but he's beengood since coming back.
So it's going to be interestingto see what the Brewers do to
side there with that rotation.
Once Woody comes back and onceCortez comes back, I am very
intrigued to see what the move'sgoing to be, because I can't

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imagine they keep Woody down anylonger because they can't Knock
on wood.
Knock on wood, he comes backand he comes back healthy.
But man, oh man, they can'trisk two starts down there.
They got to get him back on abig league mound as fast as they
can.
And then Nestor Cortez.
I mean I don't foresee himstaying down very long after he
starts to make his way back here.
So we'll see what the Brewersdo.
It's going to be interestinghere in the coming weeks because

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this is all expected before theAll-Star break.
I mean Nestor Cortez is backand for sure Woodruff, so we'll
see kind of where the Brewerssit with those guys.
Perkins on his way back.
You would expect Gary Mitchellback at some point, right Knock
on wood that he avoids all hisinjuries and he ends up back.
But if those guys do come back,there's a little bit of a
shorter list, I guess for thoseguys.
I mean you'd expect DazCameron's probably the first guy

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to get sent down, but I meanIsaac Collins has played himself
into a large role.
And then Sal Frelick's a no-go,right.
Jackson Turia's definitely no.
So who's your next option?
It's got to be like a guy likeMonasterio, right.
It's got to be a guy likeMonasterio, I would think would
be your next option.
So we'll see what the Brewerskind of do here.
They're going to have a lot ofguys returning and we'll see
where they kind of make theirmoves and who is that guy that
gets optioned or moved downthere.

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So we'll wait and see with thisBrewers team.
Right now I mean this Brew thisBrewers offense is heating up
and they've been scoring runs ata torrid pace.
You talk about that eight-runoutburst against the Cubs, 17
against the Twins, the nextnight nine and nine against the
Twins in back-to-back nightsthere.
So you're talking 18 runscombined over Saturday and
Sunday.
You're talking 35 runs acrossthat whole board there.

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And then you look at thisPirates series.
They scored four in Game 1 inthe loss but then scored nine in
Game 2.
There they scored but thenscored nine in game two.
There they scored 13 runsalready in this series, as where
I I know, you guys know I'mpre-recorded so I don't know
what happened that wednesday butI'm assuming with mizorowski
going against skeeans knock onwood, that was a pitcher's duels
, end, all pitchers duels and itwas like maybe three hits on

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both sides and maybe one run wasscored in the entire game and
hopefully it was the brewers.
So I don't expect many runs ingame three of that series there.
But all in all, this Brewersoffense has been heating up and
it has a lot to do with guyslike Christian Yelich coming
into it.
Christian Yelich has beenhitting way better as of late
and you guys know me, I'm not abig Christian Yelich lover, but
he's up 264 on the average, sohe's been hitting a lot better

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as of late.
We want to look at the last fewgames.
For the last seven games he'shitting .483.
Over the last 15, he's hitting.375.
And over the last 30 games he'shitting .356.
That's over the last month.
There, in 118 at-bats he's got42 hits and 30 RBIs, eight home
runs along with it.
Christian Yelch has definitelycome into his own here over this
last little stretch.
And then Isaac Collins hecontinues to put bat on ball,

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continues to produce for thisoffense.
Last seven games 400 average.
You look at the last 15, 348.
And then you look over the last30 games.
Over the last month 282.
He's been great.
The guy that is the catalystthat is somehow some way found
it.
He's in his own.
Pat Murphy said hold on, he'llfind it eventually.
Joey Ortiz 433 over the lastseven.

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Over the last 15, he's 352.
Over the last month, over thelast three games 292 average
Over the last 30 games.
And everybody's going to say,oh, look at his average right
now it sucks right.
He's at a 217 average.
Got to look back to where thatstarted right, where that was
even a couple weeks ago.
Now he's up tohis 217 average.
Joey Ortiz been hitting a snotout of the ball.

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He had two home runs thereagainst the Pirates in game two
of that series.
He's been.
I mean, it's like waiting forguys to come along.
We talked about it, waiting forthese guys to come along, and
I'm at the point right now whereI'm like man, oh man.
If Joey Ortiz continues to finda way to hit the ball, so does
Isaac Isaac Collins.
You gotguys like Yelich.
If a guy like Contreras, who Idon't understand why we keep,

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maybe move him down to the fivespot.
I don't understand why Reese isbatting behind him all the time
there.
Contreras hasn't been hittingconsistently.
But I'm looking at a guy likeContreras and I'm like if
Contreras could find it, if hecould, if he could come along,
he could get that average up alittle bit.
Maybe sitting around that 250mark, I, this brewer's offense

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looks darn good right now.
They've been hitting the ball.
They've been hitting the ball.
Well, I'd be, I'd love, maybe,maybe, move a guy around like
that right now.
I think where where thislineup is that?
I love sal in the leadoff spot.
Sal is a guy where he battles,he puts the ball out there and
he just does the little thingsright.
And I'm looking at Sal.

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He's got that 295 average.
He's still hitting way aboveaverage right now for what you
expect out of him 303 over thelast seven, 306 over the last 15
, and over the last 30 gameshe's hitting 322.
So I mean Sal Frorelickcontinues to just be on this
torrid stretch this season, nota big power guy, not a big power
guy at all.
Just putting the ball in playand driving it in gaps and just
getting it down right over topof the infield.

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That's all you need out of asolid leadoff hitter.
So I was asked the question,you know, should Sal stay in the
leadoff spot, spot 100?
Sal should stay in the leadoffspot.
No doubt in my mind, should hestay there?
I, I'm the way the lineup'sshaped up right now.
Outside of maybe I would maybemove a guy like contrarious
around, outside of that I am.
I am dead set where this lineupis at.
I I love what they got going on.

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You know, terang, with thatspeed down in the middle of the
lineup there.
Joy ortiz rounded out he's beenhitting the ball better isaac
collins down there seven spot.
This has been a lineup that hasbeen torrid over this last
little stretch and hopefullythey can keep it going as they
get going throughthe line here.
I mean right now the Brewers,they're in the stretch, they got
the Pirates right now and thenthey're going to take on the
Rockies coming up this weekendhere and this is a stretch of

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games with the Brewers.
It's a got to have it.
It's a gotta have it stretch ofgames.
You got the Pirates, you gottahave this series.
Then you got the ColoradoRockies.
After that you take on the Mets, you go to New York but then
you play the Miami Marlins.
So a little bit of a stretch.
You have some stretch gameshere where you have the Dodgers
and the Mets kind of sandwichedin there.
But on the outside of that inthat sandwich and the bread of

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the sandwich, right, you got thecolorado rockies and the
nationals surrounded out therein july and then you have the
marlins in between new york metsand the dodgers.
So you have a little bit ofstretch here where you can make
up some ground on the cubs asyou get closer and closer to the
all-star break and if you closethis with the brewers in going
into the all-star break, you'redown maybe a one game or maybe a
half game.

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Maybe got you know division tie.
Whatever it is, I I like theidea of then becoming a not a
true buyer, but not a a truemover at the deadline.
There it's just sitting pat andseeing what you do, so we'll
see what the brewers do there.
I can't wait.
You got the rockies coming upthis weekend here.
That should be a fun series asthe brewers will look to keep
getting hot and keep rollingalong here as we go.

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So we're going to come backhere.
We're going to wrap up the showfor the day here.
We'll be right back here onWisconsin Sports on the go with
Traj.
Welcome back as we wrap up theshow here
on this Wednesday.
What is it June 25th today?
Yeah, it's June 25th.
Almost good, it's gracious.
Almost July.
Right, we're getting to.
It's the dog days of summer.

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The baseball is about the onlything happening.
All the championships are done.
Baseball and golf are about theonly things happen.
Just mask are out there, but inall reality, baseball is the
only thing happening right now.
We got football around thecorner.
We got college football aroundthe corner.
It is we're getting closer.
We're getting closer to thesports season, the sports
calendar taking back off there.

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They're gonna be to be takingon the Rockies.
Should be a good series thereBefore we come back.
We got the start of the serieswith the Mets there.
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Rockies and start a good seriesagainst the Mets there.
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