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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Wisconsin sports, now your host how we doing
everybody and welcome intowisconsin sports on the go with
trage I'm your host, trage,coming back on this may 28th,
this wednesday here.
It is almost june.

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Goodness, it is almost june.
We are back here tonight.
I hope everybody enjoyed theirweekend, their memorial day
weekend, here and we're back towork.
We're back to work where youknow.
This short week, this it's.
It's a weird I.
I don't like short weeks.
To be honest with you.
I don't like short weeks.
It's hard to it's hard to goback to work after a long
weekend.
Right, so we go back.

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I hope everybody's enjoyingtheir night so far.
I hope you are having a greatweek so far here.
But tonight here on the show, wegot lots coming up.
We're going to talk Packers.
Um, there's going to be stoppedby.
We're gonna talk packers.
We got some news coming outabout jay alexander.
We want to talk about someopinions that we've been having
as of later.
So we're gonna talk packers.
Then later on, kyle's gonnastop by.
We're gonna talk nba playoffsand then, and then it's always

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an and then, right, brewers werepast memorial day, so you know
what that means.
We can assess where the brewersare at, we can look at the
standings and we can say this iswhat we see right now, that's
what they tell me.
That's what Kyle like.
Kyle's going to come on later.
He's going to tell me afterMemorial Day you can assess

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where you're at.
So we're going to assess whereeverybody's at right now.
We're going to look at theBrewers.
I want to look at the Brewersstats.
I want to look across theleague and say where do they
stand compared to everybody else?
What are we thinking?
I mean, there's a lot of fanswho are all over the place at
the moment.
So we're going to talk about itall today here on the show.

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So we always start out everysingle week, every single
Wednesday, here, starting at 7.
We always start with what wasgrinding my gears coming off the
weekend.
What was grinding my gearsNumber the weekend?
What was grinding my gearsNumber one?
I don't know why it goes inspurts.
Okay, it goes in spurts for me,but it well, I shouldn't say

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that.
It always irritates me when ithappens, but these go in spurts.
Spam phone calls.
I don't know why, but it's likeyour, your phone number gets
put on a call list for like aweek, right, and I'm going to
tell you.
It's a quick story.
It's a quick story.
So went into a Sam's club andthere was this guy and he was,
you know, selling wind.
I don't want to be sellingwindows or what he would.

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I don't even know some companyselling windows or something,
and I you know, I do this thingwhere, like I'm just intrigued,
he had the scratch off.
It's like see how much you canget off your windows.
So I was like I'm bored, I'mgoing to scratch it off, right.
So me and my wife are walkingthrough there and I go to
scratch this, this thing off,and I scratch it off, and so, oh
, you get $500 off your windows,whatever.
So the guy's like, oh, I justneed your out to you and they'll

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give you an estimate.
Or like they'll come look atyour windows, whatever, estimate
, whatever.
I was like, okay, whatever.
So I set it up right now, maybeI'll get an estimate.
Well, then a push came to shove,we couldn't do it or whatever.
We were busy and they keptwanting to come at night night,
whatever.
And I was like we're busy,whatever.
So finally I was like, justscrew it, I'm not, I don't want
to get new windows right now,whatever, we're not going to do

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it right now.
So anyways, now since then Ihave gotten a just boatload of
phone calls from this company,from you know their
representatives or whatever, andit's just day after day and
call after call and it's justridiculous.
It is just absolutelyridiculous.
So spam phone calls are drivingthere.

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They are just grinding my gearscoming off the weekend there.
So yeah, that that is.
That is one of the things thatwas grinding my uh gears coming
off the weekend.
Another thing mlb umpires, and Iwant to get into this a little
bit more here when we're talkingabout the mlb too.
But I don't know what it isabout this season here, but I
have seen and it was just theother night a couple different

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times now with the Brewers,where you know who was it the
other night I don't know if itwas Logan Henderson or who it
was the other night there, butthey had, if you totaled it up,
they had gotten like six outs inthe inning because there should
have been a strikeout and thereshould have been this and
should have been that, but itwasn't called and I think there
was a caught, a pickoff move orsomething like that.

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That should have been an out.
There was a couple of differentones and I think Jackson trio,
that nice, uh, shoestring tackor shoestring Catch there,
almost a tackle catch there.
So MLB umpires and I've seen itacross social media, across
different games that I'vewatched, you know, cause they
have the Fox track andeverything like that now.
So they can, you know, seewhere pitches are and everything
, and I'm just watching it'slike, wow, it's getting bad and

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it's it's almost alarmingbecause we're talking about
robot umpires and that's a youknow a topic of conversation.
And it's like do these guys,realistically, do they want to
keep their jobs?
Is that?
What are they aiming for here?
Because watching them, it'slike they're trying to lose
their jobs.
And I've said it before andI'll say it again I'm looking

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across and I'm like, okay, wejudge MLB guys and we can, you
know, promote or demote themdown to the minor leagues.
And we can promote or demotethem down to the minor leagues.
You're telling me that thereisn't some AAA umpire or
anything like that.
Who's better than, I don't know, cb Buckner, or, when Angel was
still around, or Joe West?

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Some of these guys like, isthere really there isn't
somebody better in AAA right nowcalling balls and strikes, than
one of these guys?
Serious, because that's bad ifthat's the case.
So I kind of just look at it.
I'm like, well, why can't youjust play that kind of system
where you're up and down, whereyou're sending guys If you stink
at the big league level, ifyour consistency is below 90%,

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bye, if there's a guy down inthe minors who's sitting there,
sitting there and I know I can'tsay that I could do it, it'll
be, it'd be, it'd be hard to bean mlb up.
But when you get paid big bucksto do it, you gotta figure it
out.
And some of these, some ofthese strike.
I mean, if you're around thezone, sure, I'm good around the
zone, but when it's dead red andyou miss that call or you don't
call, that that's when I have aproblem.

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Or when it's a strike one timebut it's not the next, that's
when I have a problem.
It's not when it's oh, you knowjust that one time you missed
one on the corner, okay, that'sfine.
I get like that's not the endof the world.
If a guy ends the day and hisball to strike, if he missed
like three calls, that's fine.
Like as long as it wasn't thereason why my team lost, which

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shouldn't be one call, shouldn'tbe then I get over it.
It's when it's consistent, it'swhen it's in big spots, it's
when it's the reason why thisinning lasted 45 minutes or this
guy had to throw 20 morepitches.
It's those times where itirritates so mlb umpires coming
up the weekend there mlb umpiresare just absolutely grinding my
gears, just absolutely grindingmy gears.

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I, I don't know, I I don't knowwhat the answer is to it.
I don't know what the answer isto the umpire problem.
I've liked, uh, looking downinto the minors right now, they
have that.
You know, ball strike, the.
You can challenge a ball or astrike.
You get one in the.
You know one.
I don't know what the rule.

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I'd have to look what the ruleis completely, but I know down
in the minors that they have theability to challenge if it's a
ball or strike.
I like that.
I like giving guys that ability.
You watch guys and there's guysI mean tyler black.
I know everybody is kind ofstinking on him and he's been
banged up this year so he hasn'treally played, but he has got a

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very good eye and when he wasdown in the minors he used to
challenge all the time becausehe was just I mean, he was darn
good at it.
These guys, they have thatsense of the strike zone.
It's just a matter of you knowthese umpires screwing them over
at times.
So I look at I'm like I, Iwould be okay with that.
I think before you jump to, wegot to have robot umps.

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Let's jump to that, let's getto that point where we're
bringing that up to the bigleague level.
Let's challenge balls andstrikes and if that works, it
works, because there are timeswhere you know you can clearly
tell that was not a strike andyet it's called a strike or that
was, that was a ball and it wasclearly not, it was clearly a

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ball.
There's times that we see thoseand there's nothing you can do.
Well, I think a quick challenge.
I mean you, they have fox track, they Track, they know where
the pitch.
We watch it on our screens athome, right Watching on FanDuel
Sports Network.
There I can see if the ball wasa ball or a strike because they

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put the box right there.
You can see it on your screen.
So it's not like it's going totake long for them to register
and then call down and say, nope, you were wrong or yep, you
were right.
I really do think that theyshould implement that in the
league, because this last I meanthis last week I probably

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looked across social media and Icould say there was probably at
least 15 different posts ofjust terrible calls, just
terrible.
And, like I said, if it wasn'tconsistent it wouldn't be so bad
, but it's consistent.
Mlb umpires are struggling,reasoning there could be a lot

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of reasonings right Pitching, Imean, it's hard to track some of
these balls that guys arethrowing.
Right, they have a lot of spinto them.
There's lots of differentreasons behind it, but if the
reasons are they can't track thebaseball anymore, there's too
much this or whatever, theneither we got to find somebody
else to do it or robot umpiresdo need to be implemented
because you can't keep track ofit as of right now.

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Mlb umpires just need to find away to make it work, and I
think that the challenge balland strike system maybe you give
them, you know, one in anywhere they can use it.
If you win, you get to keepyour challenge.
If you, you know you guesswrong, well, you get to lose
your challenge.
Do something like that.
If that works, great.

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If it doesn't, well, that justhappens works great.
If it doesn't.
Well, that just happens and youknow, you guys know that I
always shoot on.
You know, day before right.
I always shoot day before uh,the wednesday, a wednesday there
.
So it's always tuesday when I'mshooting the show and
everything like that.
But sal frelick, I just watchedhim gun out mayor at third base
.
He's got a gun.
Sal frelick has got a gun.

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I don't know what's with thesouth for eight, and we talked
about this last week but son ofa gun, sal frel has got a gun.
I don't know what's with theSal Frelick hate and we talked
about this last week but son ofa gun, sal Frelick got a gun.
I just watched him toss a mayorthere at third base.
That was just a dart, that wasjust an absolute dart.
So that was awesome to seethere.
You know it's so hard it is.
It's so hard when there'ssomething going like whenever I

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shoot the show and everythinglike that, I'm always watching
the Brewers or I'm watching youknow there used to be when the
Badgers were on or whatever I'dbe watching them or I'd be
watching back, whatever's on.
Well, I'm shooting the show,right, and it's so hard when
something good or bad happens tonot say anything, right,
because you're just sittingthere and you're just like, oh,
you just watched, it could be.
You know, the Badgersgers.
I remember uh, I can't rememberwho hit up what big shot it was
, but I was shooting the show atthat time and it takes so much

(11:31):
to not just yell, right, becauseI'm I'm that guy when I watch
sports I get into the game,right, I'm that kind of guy.
I get into the game a littlebit, I hoot, I, I holler,
everything like that.
So to not say anything likeafter Sal, for watching Sal just
gun him out at third base andjust the absolute dart that he

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threw, and not to say like, yeah, you know, get pumped up, and
just to keep it going, theconversation with whatever I was
talking about, that was it washard to do.
I'm going gonna be honest withyou, it was hard to do Like that
was a heck of a throw.
That was a heck of a throw bySal Froelich there.
So, hey, we got armor coming upnext year.
We're going to talk Packershere, then later on Kyle's going

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So we went to the break.
We talked about what wasgrinding my gears coming off the
weekend and there's always alot grinding my gears coming off
the weekend.
But I got Umber with me now, sowe're going to try to dial it
back, calm down a little bit,relax right, get a little more
fluid with it here.
So, umber, how we doing, how wedoing.

(13:17):
It's Wednesday, we're back,hopefully a nice week where
you're at.
I mean, so far here, how's itgoing so far?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
So far good.
Man, holiday weekend was reallynice and then you know, the
rest of the week so far has beengoing too bad and just a lot of
stuff coming out of the Packer1265 and the beat and we're
looking forward to talking aboutit.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
You know, I don't know.
Is it the same for you?
The short week is almost worse.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yes, Short week is almost worse.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yes, coming back on the Tuesday absolutely sucks.
I'd rather come back on Monday.
Honestly, I'd rather come backon Monday.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
I think Tuesday was completely thrown off so I kept
thinking it was Monday.
And then meetings I have onTuesday snuck up on me and I'm
like, oh crap, it actually isTuesday.
So it's like what the heck?
So I completely agree with that.
It was great to have the Mondayoff off, but it definitely
throws off the rest of the week.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
No, they should.
Just when you have a day off,you should have a week off.
They should just give you justa whole week.
Like I am.
I'm gonna tell you this now I'mgonna be unproductive from
tuesday to thursday and I'm notworking friday.
Done with it.
Done with it, I'm working mytens.
Be done with the week.
So it's like why do you reallywant me here?
If I'm not to be productive,just pay me for the week and

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I'll stay home.
It's going to be the same thing.
It's going to be the same thing, exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying there.
So we got lots we want to getinto tonight.
Here we're talking, we want totalk Packers here, of course,
with Ummer on the show, and thebig thing that we saw was Schne.
But Schneidman came out and hetold us the Packers have offered
Jair Alexander a restructuredcontract.

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So basically, I said, hey,we're going to restructure this
thing, try to help us, try tohelp you, try to help the team.
And no resolution.
There was really nothing thatwas like, yeah, let's do it.
You know, nobody was jumping,nobody was chomping at the bit
for that one there, nobody waschomping at the bed for that one
there.
But he still plans to attendmandatory minicamp, which is,

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like the opposite of every otherperson in a contract dispute in
the world, absolutely differentthan all of them.
Because if you were to ask,look at Trey Henderson right now
, he ain't showing up topractice unless they give him a
new contract.
All these guys, it's like, ohwell, you're not going to give
me a new contract.
I'm actually jamar chase justlast year.
You're not going to give me anew contract.
I'm not going to show up andit's, it's all these guys.

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But jay here's like I'm stillgoing to show up.
I'm going to show up to makeyour mini camp.
I gotta be honest with you.
I kind of like that.
Yeah, that tells me this guyjust wants to play.
He wants to play for the greenbay packers.
He doesn't care what hiscontract's telling him right now
he wants.
He's basically saying we'regonna figure this out.
And I imagine this is what he'ssaying we're gonna figure this

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out, but for now I got practiceto get to.
I got stuff I gotta do becauseright now we have to get better
as a team before this seasonstarts, before we get into the
summer, before we get in thefall, before it's go time.
I have to be with with XavierMcKinney, the rest of these guys
Get ready to go, get fluid withthe cornerback room, feel good,
get with Halfley, everythinglike that, and not be a nuisance
, right.
I think that takes a lot ofwhat we saw from Jair, where it

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seemed like he was almost like Idon't want to say a child, but
almost like a child, right, youknow all that kind of stuff.
This kind of takes that and putsit on a back burner for me,
because it's like this is agrown man's conversation now.
He's like I want to do what'sbest for the team first, then
I'll worry about me, then I'llworry about this thing.

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I like that.
So, omar, how are we feelingabout that?
How are you feeling about therestructured contract that we're
hearing about now and about thewhole Jair Alexander?
I know people have exhausted it, I get it, but it's, you know,
breaking news.
We got to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
I think if that's the biggest story that we have
coming out of 1265, then I'm notcomplaining.
We've had other off seasonswhere so many other bigger
stories have hit, and so for meit seems there's a lot of mutual
agreement between the Packersand Jair that they both want
each other to make this work andthey're going to try to find a
way to make it work.
I think, truthfully, if it wastruly done and Jair was going to

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get cut and it was going to beall she wrote, then I think they
would have already done it.
I think they would have justsaid we're going to bite the
bullet, we're going to cut him,we're going to make it a
post-war cut, call it a day day.
But Packers know that they'veinvested a lot in him.
They know that he, when he'savailable, when he's healthy, he
is one of the top tier cornersin the league and Jair knows
that if he has to go somewhereelse he's not going to get paid

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what he's getting paid right now.
Right, and on top of that he'sgonna have to learn a new scheme
, a new system.
Yeah, he could try to go to ateam that he thinks he could fit
in quickly, but fact the factis, he likes Halfley, he likes
Ansley.
I mean, ansley is talking tohim every day, either texting
him motivational or spiritualbiblical quotes, and I think,
with that engagement to includeLaFleur talking to him as well

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too, I think that this is goingto come to a positive result
when I know, two months ago or amonth month ago, a lot of stuff
was being pushed out about he'sdone, it's not going to happen.
It's probably not going tohappen.
I think beat writers were justdoing the best they could based
on information that's availableto them.
And if you, if people want to gocheck it out, uh, aaron nagler

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interviewed matt steinman oncheese at tv today um, check it
out.
I know promoting them, but thetruth is they he breaks it down
he talks about when he doesreport things, when they all
report things, there's thingsare on the record, there's
things are off the record andthere's stuff that's background
information.
And where that happens, I think, where people will take some
stuff and the writers will takethe background information,

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validate it and then pushforward, but they want to put a
name on it because they weretold not to, and that's what
we've been getting a lot of.
And now, even right now, withthe stuff that came out,
steinman even was saying likeyeah, like I'm not gonna put a
name on it, but I had the sourcewas pretty open with me giving
this information out.
So I think that, as I've beensaying since day one that I want
Jair back and I'm hoping thatit happens, I've never been the

(19:02):
one to see him go and I want toretire in Green Bay.
I don't care what it takes,just make it happen.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I think you said, the perfect thing there is that if
it was going to happen, italready would have.
I think.
So why would you be wastingyour time?
Because now everybody XavierMcKinney, jeff Halfley, all
these guys are you don't wantthem to have to.
Oh, we're half planning for him, but we're also half planning
not for him.
You don't want to put your teamthrough that.
It's like when you have that,you know, is Jordan Love

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starting this week, or is itMalik Willis?
Right, you had defensivecoordinators that are like, well
, if this guy's starting, wehave to plan for this, but if
this guy's starting, we got toplan for this, and we kind of
had that last team trying tofigure it out, because you want
to have all that figured out.
Now you have guys, cornerbacks,secondary guys in that room
where you're there on the vergeof maybe getting cut, and now

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you have to.
You have to evaluate thattalent.
You have all those guys.
I mean Kalen King, some ofthese other guys, the undrafted
free agents.
You don't want to be sittingthere and like, well, if Jair's
here, I don't need you, but ifhe's not here, I need you.
Okay, well, you can't have that.
You need to have a fluid roomright now, because this is where
you got to figure everythingout.
And then you get into summer,you get into fall and it's got
to be figured out before youeven get into the summer.

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That's my opinion.
Like you got to have somethingat least figured out there if
Jair is going to be here or ifhe's not going to be here.
So again I mean him showing upto mandatory minicamps.
I think that's huge.
Yeah, that doesn't show me adisgruntled player.
That doesn't show me an upsetguy.
That shows me a guy who's likewe got to figure this out.
We're going to I understandwhat you guys want.
You guys have to understandwhat I want and let's just go

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get this thing going.
And that's where he's at.
So I like where the packers andjair are at.
Let's just see if the two sidescan get together and make this
thing happen.
Right, it takes.
It takes two to tango.
That's what we're going to seehere, and we'll see if Jair gets
signed up here pretty darn soon.
We're hoping for it, but I had.
Well, let's go with this one.
Is there anybody outside?

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So my guy needs to prove itthis year, right?
You know, everybody has thoseguys that need to prove it.
Lucas Van Ness is my guy, okay,and I keep seeing stuff all
over social media about thePackers pass rush and everything
like that.
This is a guy who is afirst-round pick.
Yeah, we burned a first-roundpick on him.
Maybe we should have went andgot somebody else.

(21:14):
We did it.
We got Lucas Van Ness.
Now's the time we brought a newdefensive line coach.
We can't keep the excusescoming.
There's no more excuses, unlessif you want to fire Matt
LaFleur.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Because you brought in Halfley.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
You brought in Halfley, you brought in
Covington.
It's like what now?
Who are you going to blame?
Now we can't blame anybody elseexcept for Matt LaFleur, except
for Gutekins.
Who are we going to blame next?
We got to stop playing theblame game and just say that
this is the honest truth.
So with me, lucas Van Ness hasto step up.
He has to give me I meanproduction-wise double of what

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he's been, because basicallynon-fact and I know he had an
injury and he had this.
Okay, even when he's notinjured, I don't see him as a
threat and nobody does.
That's the problem.
No, I guarantee, if we went outthere and we interviewed
offensive coordinators oroffensive linemen, they would
not say Lucas Van Ness.

(22:13):
When I look at the Packers,lucas Van Ness scares me.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
No.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Maybe Rashawn Gary, but when Rashawn Gary's your
only threat, I can stick twoguys on him and Lucas Van Ness
ain't getting through one-on-one.
There we go, I'm good, andthat's what we saw.
So Lucas Van Ness needs to takethat next step because, as of
right now, the Green Bay Packershave not answered the question
of what are we going to do inthat pass rush rule.

(22:37):
They haven't done anything withit.
They brought in a couple ofyoung guys who are not developed
yet.
They guys who are not developedyet.
They might be, I think, sorrowmight be.
So I think those guys might besomething.
Yeah, but I don't know ifthey're that guy yet and we
can't expect them to just all ofa sudden step in there as a
fourth, fifth, whatever roundpick and just be the guy right
off the bat.
If we have I mean if warrenbrinson comes in there, the
sixth round pick out of georgiaand you're expecting him to fit

(22:59):
in, maybe, like that'd beawesome, don't get me wrong,
it'd be awesome to see him stepin there, but if we're hoping
for that, or I mean good againsthis, he's got to put down the
crack pipe over there.
He's got to put down that pipeand give it back.
I don't know what just he's gotit.
I mean, is there anybody else?
I I said, van, is there anybodyelse where you're looking at

(23:19):
and you're like this guy needsto prove it here.
Is there anybody else on yourshort list right now?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
To piggyback off what you said too.
Like, trey Henderson is stillout there so they can make a
move right there.
And yeah, colin, oliver andSoro are great, but they're
rookies, so you don't know whatyou're going to get.
I'm with you.
I think Lucas Van Ness is areally big one.
I think two guys that I had I'mgoing to were rookies last year
and they both ended up on irlast year, and that is jordan
morgan as well as, uh, marshalllloyd, I feel like, both of them

(23:49):
being a first and third roundpicks.
Uh, there's a lot of good stuffcoming out of, like, just you
know, the otas and things likethat.
Like lloyd looks great.
He stayed in green bay all offseason.
He rehabbed, he's been stayingin the playbook, he's been
trying to take his game to thenext level.
And then, of course, JordanMorgan, first-round pick.

(24:09):
Again, we're really kind offocusing on the former two
first-round picks here that weredrafted in the first round and
have not really lived up to thehype.
I feel like Lucas Van Ness hashad more time because he's been
healthier to play, and then, ofcourse, morgan being hurt, so he
didn't really get a fair shotlast year.
But the truth is, for this teamto get to the next step, we

(24:31):
need to get some production.
We need to figure out whatwe're going to do with Rasheed
Walker.
We've got to figure out ifElton Jenkins is going to either
get a contract adjustment towhere he'll get his money so
that he doesn't feel like he'sgetting shorted as a center, and
then, if not, do we move tominside?
And then now we got morgan onright tackle so many different
things there.
And then in the backfield,jacobs josh jacobs is.

(24:54):
They're saying that he looksbetter now than he did this time
last year, which is prettyincredible, but the man has had
an untold number of carries.
When he was in alabama he wasin Raiders and now, when he's
with us, not just carries butjust touches in general.
And I feel like you need tohave running backs behind him
that can take the load.
As you know, as my man, samwiseGames, he said, you know, carry

(25:15):
the load right.
We need someone else to helpwith that and I think we got a
lot of players that are behindhim who have potential.
Chris Brooks is lot of playersthat are behind him who have
potential, and chris brooks isgreat.
I like emmanuel wilson senior.
I think lloyd is right.
Lloyd has that talent to beactually a pretty good running
back in the league.
He proved it when he was usc,he proved it when he was in
south carolina.
I feel like the problem is theinjuries right the hamstring and

(25:38):
then the knee and the ankle,and he also got sick as well too
.
Uh, I just think that those twoguys, morgan and lloyd, are my
two that I want to see reallytake it to the next step, and of
course it's their second year.
So it's not fair to, like youknow, expect some monumental
like jump, but something towhere you can say all right,
those picks now make sense asthe year progresses yeah,

(26:00):
because I mean, and even like aguy like marshall lloyd, you got
to make a decision in thebackfield.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Chris Brooks.
Daniel you have to pick a guy.
If we're going to keep Lloydaround, one of these other guys
has got to go.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Who's going yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Who's going to the practice squad?
Who's going, maybe, to thepractice squad?
Who's potentially leaving?
I mean, you have all thosequestions that you have to
answer.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
So it's like like these guys have to prove it to
you in this season here and youknow I was thinking of another
one while you were talking.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
They're guys in their first round picks.
Right quay walker davante wyattoh yeah you, you.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
On that k1 I mean, I was like I I get it, though, I
get it, I get it yeah, quay islike one day this, the next day
this one play this, the nextplay this

Speaker 2 (26:43):
He has to find a way to get off blocks consistently,
because sometimes he's justbasically there In the open
field.
He's great, he's a great passcoverage.
But if I wanted a guy to get atthe quarterback, sometimes he's
not my guy because you canblock him by stonewalling him
and just standing there becausehe doesn't know how to get off
it.
It's a problem, he just playsoften you get a place like he

(27:07):
hits.
He hits the wrong gap and again, like he blows past the play,
he just blows back.
I mean, you see him get throughand it's like the play is going
to the right and he's blowingthrough the hole on the other
side and it's like, okay, youread it, but you read it wrong
look, and I'm a quay guy too.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I love quay, like I.
I loved my georgia and I thinkthere's a lot of untapped
potential even now.
Um, but there is something tobe said about Edwin Cooper going
from 228 pounds to 240 poundsin the last year.
Does that mean his role isgoing to change?
Are they going to put him moreof a pass rusher?
Are they going to put him moreas the Mike linebacker?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
But I do agree that another first-round pick I mean,
if you do think about it andwe've talked about this in the
past there are so many firstround picks by goody I think
gyre is probably the only onethat's actually lived up to the
hype and in jordan, um, butthere's a lot of first round
picks for you.
Just like, wait a minute, likeare we?
You know, I'm telling you, hehas that john snyder bug going

(27:59):
on right now where snyder wasjust striking out after striking
after striking on onfirst-round picks until he
started hitting them recently.
And I'm just like yo, likeGoody needs to really kind of
figure out what he wants to.
You know not figure it out, butit's like his track record is
first-round pick, decent playerto good player.
But normally when we get afirst-round pick, you want him
to be a good to elite player.

(28:19):
So that's the problem that I'mkind of seeing right now.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
So that's the problem that we're kind of seeing right
now.
And you know, devontae Wyatt,for me it's like you just
brought in Stackhouse as thatundrafted free agent.
You also got Warren Brinsonthere in that defensive tackle
room.
You lost Slayton, but you gotother guys up the middle.
It's like, oh, it was a goodtrade right there.
I like that.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah, that was a good like switch off right.
So Brinson and Stack in theback house.
Right for Slayton, I liked it.
But you're right though, wyatt,24-year-old prospect coming in
and again injuries have been aproblem.
Not really up to the height,size, speed freak, but hasn't
like he had his moments.
But I'm with you, likefirst-round pick you're
expecting more and they pickedup his option.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
I mean, they picked up his option but they didn't
look for the extension.
So he's kind of in the prove-ityear right now.
This is his prove-it year orit's not going to happen.
So I mean we'll see.
We'll see what happens there.
But I'd love to hear yourguises.
Who needs to prove it here forthe Green Bay Packers this
season?
Here, text us 715-990-4914.
That is 715-990-4914.

(29:20):
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You can text us.
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prove-it year for the Green BayPackers coming up this next
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(29:42):
one, could be the differencebetween the packers and a play,
a good playoff spot?
Could it be the differencebetween a three or four or five?
Could it be that difference forthe greenback packers coming up
this next season?
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And we were talking about thePackers.
We discussed guys that need toprove it, guys that need to
prove it for us this next season.

(30:46):
We talked about Lucas Van Ness.
We talked about Devontae Wyatt.
We talked about Marshawn Lloydand Jordan Morgan.
There we had all kinds ofdifferent opinions on different
guys and that's okay and we hopeyou guys text in 715-990-4914.
We'd love to see who you guysthink need to prove it this next
year.
But we had a question going tothe break and I said do you
think the packers, lacking abona fide wide receiver or edge

(31:09):
rusher, will lose the packers aplayoff spot?
So going from a three to a four, going from a five to a six,
whatever it is, could, lacking abona fide guy, put them down?
And my answer to that questionis yes, but not the wide
receiver.
Because I've, truthfully, ifyou get rid of the drops right,

(31:33):
if you get rid of the drops forjayden reid, don tavian wicks
those guys you get rid of thedrops, packers are fine.
Yep, you can get by with abunch of dudes.
Yeah, like you need that dude.
Sometimes, right In the redzone, you need to find a dude.
You need that guy to step up.
I think Romeo Dobbs could bethat dude.
We saw it a couple differenttimes, like you had mentioned

(31:55):
last week there, when Love wasin trouble or they were in
trouble or they needed a shortyardage play, maybe a little
slant row.
Whatever, rome was the guy.
It was like he's got the suresthands, he's going to haul this
thing in.
So maybe you need that red zoneguy.
But all in all, I think theyhave the weapons to do what they
need to do.
They have the weapons to getthemselves there.
It's just who steps up in thered zone.
I think they underutilize theguy like Tucker Kraft, so I

(32:18):
think they have guys who cancontribute in that red zone.
When I look at the edge rusher,though, I look at what do?
What can opposing quarterbacksdo against the greenback packers
?
Anything they want.
They can stand back there for20 minutes, bake a cake and then
possibly even think aboutthrowing the football at some

(32:38):
point.
Not really, but you get whatI'm saying.
They got a lot of time whenthey have enough time to go read
one, read two, read three, readfour, go all the way back
through their progression onemore time and then say who wants
it boys and then chuck it out.
There we took too long and itseemed like at times
quarterbacks had enough time toget through their reads twice.

(33:01):
Really did sam darnold, and thisis where, like we were just
talking about before during thebreak, we said you know, pff,
sometimes it's got some skew toit.
I don't agree with thepressures that pff gives,
because for me a pressure is guysteps up, he runs around, he's
got to evade.
He's got to evade a sack, he'sgot to run around.
He's got to step out of thepocket.
He's got to go to the right.
He's got to go left.
He's got to step out of thepocket.

(33:21):
He's got to go to the right.
He's got to go left.
He's got to go through Whatever.
I don't count a pressure, asSam Darnold had to step up an
inch and make a throw, but BFFdoes, so I guess my grading of a
pressure doesn't count, but Ithink an edge rusher like a Ray
Hendrickson or somebody likethat is 100% the difference
between and I said it last weekand I'll say it again one to two

(33:43):
wins.
One to two wins on the schedule,because when you can put a
consistent pass rush together,it limits what an opposing team
is able to do, whether it's therun game, whether it's the pass
game.
When you can just open up theplaybook we know this as Packer
fans when we were able to justopen up the playbook it'd get
crazy and defenses don't knowwhat to do because they throw a
package to try to stop the runyou're passing.

(34:04):
They throw a package in thereto try and stop the pass you
give it to josh jacobs, gostraight ahead.
You.
You have to have thatconsistency where you can bring
four and drop seven.
That's what the eagles wereable to do.
The steelers are able to do it.
I mean there's teams out there,different teams, that are able
to do it.
49ers in the past, where theywere banged up last year, that
front side, they weren't as good, but they've had that ability.
The Packers didn't.

(34:25):
They had to bring six, they hadto bring seven.
You can't bring six all thetime because then you're only
dropping five.
And when you have a subparsecondary, you're gonna get beat
right, it's a problem.
So I would say, if it's an if,for me the edge rush would be
the reason why the Packers losea playoff spot.
One or two spots for me,because I think it's the

(34:45):
difference between one or twowins.
I really do.
I think it's one or two winsthat a guy like trey hendrickson
can just bring in there becausehe's a difference maker, and a
difference maker on the defenseis a difference in all facets.
So, omar, what do you think is?
Would you say a wide receiverwould be a reason why the
packers could lose playoff spots?
I mean, probably right, butwould you say it's an edge
rusher?
Where do you think?
Where are you sitting with that?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I mean, I always like think back about previous teams
, right, like you look at likethe Eagles, they had, like,
technically, two bona fidenumber one receivers, right.
Then you go back farther andyou look at when Randy Moss,
with the Patriots, almost had aperfect season and they lose in
the Super Bowl.
I remember the Packers multipleseasons.
We had Devante, we had hell, wehad Greg Jennings, we had Jordy

(35:29):
.
We did get it done with Gregand Jordy in 2010, but after
that we've had pretty much a WR1and hasn't worked.
I agree with you, I think,because the drops being a big
issue, the offense didn't lookas good as it could have been
and with Matthew Golden comingthere, I feel like the barbecue
is not going to be the problem.
I think we'll be able to get bywith just what the way things

(35:52):
are and maybe we'll get somejumps from the defensive line
based on Covington as the coach.
But I do agree that it could bethe pass rush could be the
issue, primarily because youknow roshan gary, after the
injury, hasn't been.
He's been good, but not been asgreat as he was before he got
hurt.
We don't know what's gonnahappen.
Lucas van ness uh.
We don't know about the rookies, uh, and also the guys.

(36:15):
You know, jj, ingmar and otherguys that are there.
You know we're still, you knowwe, we know we're getting with
them and it's not always pretty.
It it's OK, it's mediocre atbest.
And I feel like this is one ofthose things where your
defensive coach and your schemecan really hide a lot of things.
And if we don't make a tradefor Hendrickson which I would

(36:35):
love for them to do some way,somehow, some way, they're going
to really need to try andmanufacture blitzes and
pressures.
And, like you said, the wordpressure is so volatile because
the fact that to some people,like you said, a player steps up
in the pocket, steps out of thepocket, that's a pressure.
Or if another player decides to, but then other metrics will

(36:56):
say you know, getting within somany feet of the quarterback is
a pressure.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
So, at the day from, and both halfley and I haven't
seen what covington sounds, buthalfley said that, uh, their job
as a defense is to make the pat, the quarterback, as
uncomfortable as possible.
So my question is okay, well,how do you plan on doing that
with bringing back the same guysyou had last year?
Um, and that's where we'regonna have to wait and see what
the coaching staff has up theirsleeves for this, because,
you're right, those could beissues that could cause us to

(37:27):
get knocked out again.
I'm somewhat of a perennialoptimistic person, so I kind of
feel like they're just going tofind a way to make it work.
I don't know how, I don't knowthe way, but you know what?
Maybe let's outscore everybodywho knows right, everybody who
knows right, and the defensewill just have to do just enough
, just keep people out, justkeep the score just below enough
for us to win.
But I'm with you, like it's.
It's definitely a lot ofquestions when I think more on

(37:49):
the defensive side than on theoffense, because in a floor, I
trust and he has found a way.
I mean, those guys that had badseasons not bad, but had a
regression last year in wicksand reed were pretty darn good,
their rookie season right, andso maybe we can see that same
type of production by Golden toinclude Reed and Wicks taking

(38:09):
that third-year jump.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
You know, and the thing with it was you were just
mentioning there was the defense.
It's basically the same defense.
Coming back, right and it wasalmost.
I always said it last year.
It was like a bend but don'tbreak defense.
They bent but they wouldn'tbreak, and then, when they did,
the floodgates opened it wasdisastrous all at once.
you just you look at this yearand, like you said, what's the
difference?
Right, how?

(38:31):
How are you going to makequarterbacks uncomfortable this
year when you couldn't do itlast year?
Now, is that maybe implementing, like you said?
I mean comington coming in,he's talking more like4.
He's talking some differencesin there.
Maybe that's what we see wherethey're going to implement.
Even a guy you know we'retalking about a rookie there but
Colin Oliver, they're talkingabout him being more of just a

(38:52):
pass rush specialist.
Maybe they deploy him in that3-4 set there and all his job is
to get downhill.
But it's all the guys we talkedabout need to prove it this year
.
That's the thing.
It's the Lucas Van Ness, it'sDevontae Wyatt, it's the Quay
Walkers.
It's all those guys that needto prove it.
Because when Quay's playingwell, when Devontae's playing

(39:13):
well, when we have a guy likeLucas Van Ness playing well, it
makes Halfley's job easier.
It makes Rashawn Gary I knowRashawn Gary got a crap load of
hate and maybe I was one of thepeople giving him the hates at
times, but he was also beingdouble teamed.
He was also squashed because,guess what, when you don't have
anything else coming, kennyClark is a non-factor.
You want to talk about anotherguy who's going to step it up.

(39:34):
Kenny Clark, he's a waste of acontract right now, as nice as
way I could possibly say it.
He's a waste of a big contractright now.
That was a contract where, whenyou signed it, you were like
this guy is going to be a hugeasset and it just went downhill
fast now.
Does that change, hopefully?
Yeah hopefully it does so we'llwait and see on that one there.
But yeah, I love it, I.
I love it there.

(39:54):
So yeah, like I said before, ifyou guys have any opinions to
prove it, who needs to prove itfor you?
Who needs if it's going to be apass rusher, wide receiver what
you guys think make sure you'retexting in 715-990-4914 text in
the show.
Let us know what you'rethinking.
But I had a question for you.
This goes more wide spectrumyeah flag football.
We're all excited for flagfootball in the olympics.

(40:16):
Well, the national team is notas excited yeah because they
played all year long and I can Iget.
I don't want to say I can seeit, because I'm like I want the
best guys out there, but at thesame time I'm like I can see
what they're saying.
So the national team believesthey should have a shot to play

(40:38):
in the olympics.
Yeah, and I think they're right.
I, I think they should.
I I said it and kyle and I weretalking about last week.
I want to see what you thoughtabout this whole situation.
But I said they should have aqualifying games.
You pick your team, we'll pickour team.
We'll go play out in los angelesyeah and well, maybe we do a
best of three series.
I don't know.
Whatever the winner gets to goto the olympics, yeah, loser,

(41:01):
sorry you, I don't know what totell you, and that's it.
That's what I want to see.
I mean, give them a chance,give them a qualifying game,
whatever it is, and let themhave that opportunity.
And maybe you're like, oh well,we don't have enough of this
position, mix and match, I don'tcare, make something happen
with it, because you should.
You got to put the best playersout there.
You're an Olympic team, youhave to put the best players out

(41:23):
there.
Now, if I'm a professional flagfootball player, which I don't
know what I didn't really knowthat was a thing until I found
out about it.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I was going to say, yeah, I mean, I guess there's a
thing.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
So I mean, if you're a professional flag football
player, you're like well, I wantto go, you know, support my
country and you know, representmy country in the olympics and
everything like that.
Why can't I?
Just because lamar jacksonwants to play, why can't I go
play what I've been doing?
He plays tackle football, Iplay flag, I don't know.
Anyways, they all play flagfootball.
When it comes to the pro ball,so albert, what are you thinking

(41:56):
should how?
how would you do it?
How would you do it?
Do you think it's as big of adeal as what these national flag
football people are making it,or what?
What is your opinion on thiswhole thing?

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I mean I I agree with them to a degree where it's
like you know, you guys beendoing this all year.
You've been this, which, this,what you guys are known for is
flag football, right, and youshould be given every
opportunity.
I think basically anybodyshould be given any opportunity,
every opportunity to competefor the united states, for an
olympic team to be in a flagfootball.
I don't think it should just benfl players, I don't think it

(42:27):
should just be acclaimednational players either.
I think just you know, open itup to tryouts, like you just
said, like there's a lot of flagfootball teams that are around
the nation to include there's alot of like former high school
college football players thatprobably would be awesome at
flag football.
I think, like you, just wantthe best of the best to get into
there, represent us and to winright.

(42:49):
And also, if you look at itfrom like a monetary perspective
, I think nfo owners are goingto have a problem with their
players going out and thesemulti-million dollar players
they've invested into going outand playing flag football and,
heaven forbid, they get injured.
I still remember back in the daythey were at the Pro Bowl and
there was an event where RobertSmith, running back for the

(43:11):
Minnesota Vikings, was playingvolleyball and this was like his
second year, his rookie year,or his second year where he made
the Pro Bowl.
He just looked like he wasgoing to be the next best thing
Playing volleyball tears bothhis ACLs, the pro bowl.
He just looked like he wasgoing to be the next best thing
playing volleyball tears bothhis acls and then never was the
same again.
This is back like early 2000sor mid 2000s where that player

(43:32):
never he never you know aclsinjuries were.
They were pretty bad back then,right, and he never got back to
form and it was it.
I think that you are puttingthese guys out and more likely
they're playing on turf, they'renot playing on grass and are
you really gonna risk yournumber one receiver or number
one quarterback or running backgoing out there playing flag

(43:53):
football and getting hurt, likeif they get hurt playing regular
football I don't mean regularfootball, but they get hurt
playing, you know, tacklefootball.
Okay, fine, cool, like that's,that's the name of the game, but
they're out there trying to,you know, play olympics and that
something happens.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I don't know how much these owners are going to
really appreciate that youalmost have you, you almost have
to put something in theircontract yeah, if you get hurt
doing this, sorry it's on youyeah it's in the nicest way
possible, sorry, like that'sjust how it is, and I I agree
there.
I mean there's, like you justmentioned that one instance

(44:26):
there, but there's probably, Imean, a boatload more of
instances where guys were justout doing something that they
shouldn't have been doing and ornot shouldn't have, but doing
something that wasn't theirnormal.
Yeah, and it just it happensand it sucks, it really does.
But yeah, it's a play at yourown risk, I guess at that point

(44:47):
there.
So I mean we'll see.
We'll see what kind of happensthere with the nfl, with the
owners.
I mean, as so as of right now,the owners are like, let's do it
, yeah, and they're good with it.
So they voted on it, they'reall good with it, so they're
gonna allow it.
So we'll see what happens withthese players and who wants to
participate, who doesn't,everything like that.
Like that, I think a majorityof players will be in.
I really do.
I think a majority of playerswill be excited for it, because

(45:07):
it's like basketball has beenrepresented for years.
You've had the ability to havebaseball represented.
Now it's like okay, now thefootball players get a chance to
be represented for theircountry and for America there.
So that's awesome.
I really like it.
It's just like you said.
The risk is there the turffields, the questionable fields,

(45:28):
everything.
The thing with it is and Ithink it's going to help is it's
in america, it's in los angeles.
So I think that's going to help,because then a lot of these
owners, or the guys who you knowfinance these players, are
going to be like okay, this iswhat the field's got to be like,
this is what this got to belike, you know and so they're
going to have some, some controland stuff like that.
So I think that's going to be aa big thing there.

(45:50):
But I did have a question foryou.
So we were talking, I waslistening to the morning show
and they were talking aboutjalen hurts and they said that
he was the fourth bestquarterback in football.
Okay, and I I was like, uh,okay, okay, I want to hear who
they got to say.
And they were mentioning andthey said you know, you're,

(46:12):
you're common guys Lamar Jacksonright, he's above them.
Patrick Mahomes he's above them.
Josh Allen three that they putabove jalen hurts.
I, I I'm gonna sound like such ahater right now and everybody,
all the eagles fans out there,are gonna say well, this is
because we didn't let you banthe tush push.
That's why they're gonna sayit's because I'm gonna do it I'm

(46:35):
gonna.
I hate to break this one to youkids.
I hate to break this one toyour kids.
I agree with everybody who saysthat jalen hurts is the product
of a great system.
Okay, I agree with everybodywho says that, yeah, because if
you can realistically and theonly one who can is can't eat,
chris can't eat on the radiothere because he loves, he hates

(46:57):
joe burrow.
I don't know why, but he hatesjoe burrow if you can
realistically look at yourselfand tell yourself that jalen
Hurts is better than Joe Burrow,I can't do that.
Not even no chance.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
That's why you're being a hater.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Like I just or.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
I'm a fanboy for Joe Burrow because of my LSU fandom,
but still even.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Joe Burrow might be.
Joe Burrow is there with JoshAllen and Lamar Jackson and all
them guys.
It's just he had no defense.
He was carrying the bangleswith no defense, so Joe Burrow's
above him there.
I mean I would you look downthe list of guys?
It's like who would you takeahead of him?
Who would you take ahead ofJalen Hurts?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I mean honestly, like you're right, like the guys you
mentioned were right on there,uh, mahomes, lamar, josh Allen
are top three for sure.
Right they're.
They're probably 1A, 1b, 1c.
And then you have, I would say,joe Burrow.
Honestly, I think it might be atoss-up between Jaden Daniels
and Jalen Hurts, and I knowJaden Daniels is second, he's a

(47:55):
first-year guy, he just playedone year.
But for him to do what he didwith the team that he had and to
be a rookie to play that well,I have to admit that's pretty
damn good because, like we werejust saying previously, the
eagles have a very, very stackedteam.
They have saquon barkley in thebackfield, they have probably
the best offensive line in thenfl to include two wr1s, and

(48:16):
dallas goddard is probably a top10 tight end.
And you're telling me likethat's not like the best
situation that a quarterback canbe in to be successful.
Now, that's not taking anythingaway from Jalen Hurts, but just
saying that he does have a verygood setup around him.
Now you look at these other guyslike, but you're Jalen Daniels.
I mean Jalen Daniels' offensiveline was garbage.
Running game was not that great.

(48:36):
He had Terry McLaurin, but inthat the wide receivers are okay
and then you have a reallyaging.
You know zach hurts and then toinclude that you know beth's
not who's still coming up, I'msorry, like, no way, like I just
think that I would definitely.
I would say jalen hurts is thetop 10 quarterback.
No doubt I, hands definitelywould say that I just still feel
like I'm taking this.

(48:57):
A couple guys I'll still takeahead of him he fluctuates
around in that top 10 for me,yeah, he does
because it's like a week by weekyeah, that's another thing too,
because, like you know he'll,he can do a game where he throws
for 100 yards, one touchdown heruns into and they win
primarily because saquon runsfor another 250 yards or

(49:17):
something crazy right, and theirdefense is literally all.
Almost everybody on thatdefense made the pro bowl, which
is, you know, I don't not bigon that, but there's a lot of
all pros on that defense androokie of the year, things like
that.
I'm just saying like there,there's no, there, that team is
not like some.
I feel like it's an unrealisticteam to compare because of the

(49:38):
fact that they do have town upand down that roster.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
No, I would agree, and it's just so hard.
And no, I'm not putting JustinHerbert ahead of him.
Justin Herbert has got to dosomething.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Herbert hasn't done anything man, he hasn't proven
anything to me.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
He was overrated.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
He's overrated.
He gets so much hype and thenevery excuse in the book is made
for him and all the things wesaw at Oregon keep coming out.
And my thing is you know you'rein a team now where it's more
run-based and you're still notgained and done.
I don't know what else to tellyou Exactly no, 100% agree, 100%
agree.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
He's got to prove it to me before he's going to be
anywhere on a list with topquarterbacks in football there.
So, Auburn, thank always forstopping by here on the show.
Let the people know where tofind you.
Let them know where to find youout there.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I appreciate you, brother.
Man, Thank you for having meagain.
As always, you guys find me ata on Twitter as a AMAR three,
four, five, five.
You can find me on a weeklyshow with Trey on coast to coast
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We should probably going to doan episode tonight.
If not, we're going to do onetomorrow.
Find me on all the social mediastuff.

(50:44):
If you guys need anything atall, just give me a shout.
We can talk Packers, talkwhatever.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
He's always down to talk Packers.
He's down to talk anything youwant with you.
You guys got to follow him forhis landscaping tips.
He's always got his landscapingtips on Twitter.
Auburn.
Thank you.
As always, we'll be right backhere.
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We've got Kyle coming on later.
We're going to talk NBAplayoffs.
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So we got kyle here tonight.
I told you guys coming in wewere talking with kyle.
We're gonna talk nba playoffskyle.
How are we doing tonight?
How are we doing on thiswednesday?

Speaker 3 (53:52):
I'm good.
I'm good.
You know playoffs are.
We're getting there almost tothe finals.
I'm so excited for theoffseason of what could be so I
cannot complain.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
There's a lot of crazy right.
Giannis didn't say that hewants out.
He's actually saying their Bucsare saying we're going to
rebuild this thing.
So I don't know what they'regoing to do or what they have up
their sleeve, but they wentinto an offseason like this
before and they went and gotDrew Holiday and then it was NBA
Finals.
So who knows, who actuallyknows what could happen there.

(54:25):
But, as you guys know, everysingle week we run the mellow
yellow minute, the trivia showin honor of my grandpa who
passed away.
And hey, tonight here I'masking the question.
I'm gonna ask the question so,like I always tell you guys, if
you got your favorite beveragethat's the point of the mellow
yellow minute is you always gotto crack your favorite beverage?
I got my, my Diet Mountain Dew,right here.
Sometimes it smells yellow,sometimes it's Diet Mountain Dew
.
Tonight it's Diet Mountain Dewhere.

(54:46):
Crack it and we will get thisunderway.
So you know every driver I wastalking about what grinded my
gears last week there and youknow driving was grinding my
gears, some people driving.
There's always thosemisunderstood road signs, right,
and I got a list in front of mehere of nine of the most

(55:11):
misunderstood road signs.
I don't really think they're inorder, but this is just nine
misunderstood road signs.
Kyle, can you name a couple ofthe nine misunderstood road
signs on there?

Speaker 3 (55:22):
I feel like one has to be yield the amount of people
I see approach yield signs andlike act like they don't know
what to do.
So I'm gonna go yield we dohave yield.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
We do have yield and we also have yield that on left
turns, when green that is alsoprobably my second one, yeah I
don't know what that means.
What do you do?
Like if it's green?
Like what do I like?
Yield, are you serious?
Like shouldn't you?
Should that be common sense?
Yeah, like, shouldn't that justbecome like if you have, if you
have, a green arrow, I don'tknow what it's like.

(55:55):
You look kyle's from down ingeorgia there, but I don't know
if it's the same.
But when you turn left, likewhen you know you have a clear
path, it's a green arrow, andwhen it's not a green arrow and
it's just a green light, youjust make sure nobody's going to
.
You know, hit you.
Like.
That just seems like the mostcommon logic thing.
But a yield when green seemslike it's, we still have to

(56:16):
remind you guys not to get hit.
Oh, I have that's.
That's wild, that's wild to me.
But Kyle, I mean out, I havethat's.
That's wild, that's wild to me.
But kyle.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
I mean, what's what do you got?
What do you got for me?
I feel like another one that'skind of sneaky I don't know if
this counts with like blind turnor blind, like what was it
blind?
Oh, this is sign, is like blind, something like kind of let you
know, like it's like a drivewaycome up or corner Hidden
driveway, hidden driveway yeah.

(56:46):
Blind driveway, something likethat, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
It is not on the list , but I could see that being a
confusing one.
I could see that People arelike, well, where's the driveway
, where is the driveway?
And then you come up and you'relike I didn't see a driveway.
It I see Wisconsin all the time.
They put a bump sign and thenyou don't hit a bump for another
two miles.
And then you hit a bump andyou're like, oh, there's the
bump, okay.
Okay, good thing, I wasprepared for that one.
It is not there, but I couldsee it being on the list.

(57:10):
All right, kyle, we got onemore guess, one more guess.
What do you got for me?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Confusing misunderstood road signs Deer
crossing, de deer crossing.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Deer crossing is on there.
Deer crossing is on there, itdoes.
This guy also said he sawotters cross.
Can you imagine otters?
crossing like wow, you know, weget down into florida.
You got, you know, gatorcrossings down there and that'd
just be odd.
And I saw, you know, go out tolike out west and hit a buffalo,
like got buffalo crossing upthere.
That'd be crazy, that'd becrazy.

(57:42):
We got right turn on red.
That always gets to me okay,because people always tell me,
well, you can turn right on red,but then there's signs that say
no turn on red and I'm like Idon't know what to do when I get
to those.
So right turn speed limits.
That's confusing, misunderstoodsign speed limits there, no
stopping um roundabouts, that'son there.
Keeping left and shared bike andvehicle lanes oh yeah, I don't

(58:05):
like sharing lanes.
I don't like sharing lanes atall.
I think they should have theirown lane and otherwise get out
of my lane, that's all I know.
Get out of my lane.
So, kyle, right now we'rewatching the nba playoffs and it
seems like the knicks are kindof in the pacers lane and the
pacers just like get out, justjust out, just get out.
At this point here, what isgoing on in that series?

(58:26):
Because, as we're recording, asyou guys know, we usually
record day, we record day before.
So right now.
The Pacers and Knicks arecurrently playing.
Right now the Pacers are up 85,77.
So we're watching.
The Pacers could potentially goup three games to one over the
I mean Kn.
Go up three games to one overthe I mean next team, who a lot
of people were very high on andonce they beat the celtics, were

(58:47):
like this team's going to thefinals.
Now it's like, oh boy, this is,they have the op, they're gonna
go down 3-1 here and it'slooking like the pacers are in
control here.
What is going on with theknicks?
What is going on with thepacers?
What's making this seriesdevelop as we're seeing it in
front of our eyes?

Speaker 3 (59:02):
so I think what we've learned is that the knicks beat
a beat up southwark's team.
Obviously tatum got hurt,brown's knee injury kind of
popped up again, not to takeanything away from like.
They still took advantage andwon the series.
But now the competition hasgone up against the pacers and I

(59:22):
feel like a lot of theblemishes with this Knicks team
we're seeing.
Brunson is very much balldominant, which I get slowing
down the Pacers and the halfcourt is supposed to work for
you.
But you also have to make thePacers work defensively.
If Brunson is just going todribble the air out of the ball,
that works in the Pacers' favoron defense and then on the

(59:45):
other end of the floor, cat andBrunson aren't that good
defensively and the Pacers arethe type of team that will take
advantage of that.
And that's what we're seeing sofar in this series, where the
Pacers' depth is working intheir favor, whereas the Knicks,

(01:00:05):
if you're only going to playlike six, seven guys, all six,
seven guys need to be locked inplaying really well against this
Pacers team which who can scorea lot of points.
We just haven't seen that.
We'll see OG and Inobi have agood game, but Bridges struggles
.
We'll see Cat have a good game,but Bridges struggles.
We'll see Cat have a good game,maybe with Brunson, and then

(01:00:27):
we'll see OG and Bridgesstruggle.
We'll see Bridges have a goodmoment, but then we'll see
Brunson struggle, or Hart,something like that.
For the Knicks to be titlecontenders with this team, all
five, six, six, seven guys haveto play at their average or
maybe even above average, andthey just haven't done that

(01:00:49):
consistently in this series youknow, and when I watch this team
, it's like they aren't evenbuilt to go past the top maybe
six, like they're not built togo past it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
they don't, they don't have the depth and we I
mean we saw it in game, you know, like it was game three where
the Knicks won that game thereand they, finally we saw them go
deeper on the bench.
They went a little bit deeperon that bench we saw Deleon
Wright, we saw some of theseother guys get some minutes and
it was like oh, wow, okay, youknow Jay Wright.
I think it was Jay Wright, itwas, oh, I can't remember his

(01:01:20):
name.
On ESPN over there he's collegebasketball but he does NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Jay Williams, oh, jay Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Jay Williams.
Jay Williams said he wouldn'teven play nine on a baseball
team, or something like that iswhat he had to say about him
there, and it's the truth, right, he doesn't go very deep on
that bench.
We're seeing it now in gamefour.
He's going a little bit deeperon that bench, but that just
doesn't seem like do they havethe depth to compete with a team
like the Pacers?
Because the Pacers have depthand that's something that.

(01:01:48):
Is that something that you'reseeing in this series that
Knicks kind of lack?
They don't have that depth tobe able to go back at a team
like the Pacers.
Is that what you think theKnicks are kind of lacking here?
Because to me I just feel likethey lack some depth.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Yeah, I just feel like they lack some depth.
Yeah, I think especiallyscoring depth, because you can
bring in Mitchell Robinson he'snot a great offensive player.
You can bring in Precious Achuahe's not a great offensive
player.
You know Mosley Bright is verystreaky and that, yeah, the
Pacers are just the wrong teamfor them.
And you also give the Pacers ajust the wrong team for them and

(01:02:23):
you also have to give thePacers a lot of credit.
Like Rick Carlisle is a reallygood coach, even though I think
in NBA circles he probablydoesn't get that kind of respect
around the league.
But this is a guy who won whenhe was in Dallas and now is
winning with an Indiana teamthat if they do make the finals

(01:02:43):
here, which I think they willwin this series, you'll kind of
see some similarities betweenIndiana this year and Boston
last year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Where Boston kind of came at you with since Tatum
kind of struggled, shooting likewe saw Brown step his game up.
Derek White, peyton Pritchard,guys like that, this Indiana
team it's more than Halliburton,like Siakam's played well.
You know Nembhard has hismoments.
Neesmith has been really good.
You know Matherin has hismoments.

(01:03:16):
I think Miles Turner's actuallystruggled a bit but it hasn't
really mattered in this series,struggled a bit but it hasn't
really mattered in this series.
So I think Indiana's showingkind of where this league might
be going.
Where roster construction.
You have to be smart with yourmoney and spread the wealth.
The days of having three reallyhigh-priced guys and a bunch of

(01:03:37):
minimum-type players, you'renot going to win at a high level
in this league anymore tryingto play it that way.
Look at Phoenix.
Phoenix tried, it couldn't evenmake the playoffs.
So teams are going to have tobe built more like Indiana than
necessarily New York.
You know New York works alittle in the playoffs because
they play physically defensivelybut offensively they just need

(01:04:01):
more.
They gave up five picks forBridges.
Bridges has to be betteroffensively.
They just need more.
They gave up five picks forBridges.
Bridges has to be betteroffensively.
That's been probably theirbiggest problem against Indiana
Bridges hasn't been that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah, no, and you said it perfectly there with
Pacers, and it's also you know.
You talked about Carlisle thereand getting your guys to buy in
, getting your five and thenyour bench to buy in to what
your five and then your bench tobuy in to what your message is.
And playing like they want,like this team plays, like they
don't have a target on theirback.
Everybody hates them.
They've been told all theirlives that they suck.

(01:04:35):
Look at Neesmith, look at theseguys.
That's what they've been told.
And now they're out to prove it.
They're like all right, nowwe're going to go prove it.
And they got a bunch of guysnow who are out there to prove
that they're the team.
They're the team to beat.
Everybody's looking past them.
They're like oh, look at theCeltics, look at the Knicks,
look at, you know, the Cavs.
Nobody said, look at the Pacers.
They were talking about theBucs town.

(01:05:00):
They took the Cavs to town.
They took the Bucs to town.
Now are those two banged upteams?
Yes, and do?
I think if they are healthy, itmight have been.
Do I think the Pacers probablystill win, but it's a different
series.
Yes, I think.
If Dame's there, the serieswith the Bucs is different.
I think.
If you know, we have Garlandand I think Mo also is a
different series.

(01:05:20):
Do the Pacers win?
I still think so, and in aseries like this, I mean you
said it perfect.
This is a relatively healthyKnicks team Like this, team's
ready and they're just thePacers are just on their own, so
you love to see it.
So I mean yeah, I mean this isa darn good series.
I would love to see the Knickstie it up two to two because I

(01:05:46):
want to see this nba playoffsoutside of probably the nug,
even that nuggets.
The last game of that series.
That was still a blowout.
I mean there, there hasn't beena series where it's like wire
to wire.
This is awesome so far, I ashas there.
Has there been?
I?
I'm trying to think is hasthere been a series where it was
like wire to wire?
This is an awesome series.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
No because, yeah, because the best series so far
have been Denver Clippers, andthat might be it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
OKC beats the Nuggets 4-3.
That last game of the seriessucked.
Minnesota beat the Warriors 4-1.
That doesn't count, sucked.
Minnesota beat the warriorsfour to one.
That doesn't count.
The next beat the celtics fourto two.
That doesn't count.
Indiana's basically mop bothseries that they yeah, I, it's
really.
I mean golden state and therockets.
You could have said that was agood that was a good series
outside of that I mean the restof these.

(01:06:37):
I mean denver has played acouple close series, but both
their game sevens were blowouts.
So I mean there's hasn't been awire to wire series so far.
That's actually been like wow,right.
So I mean we can flip, let'sflip script.
Let's go to the West.
Yeah, thunder, timberwolvesthis is another series where I'm
looking at it.
It sucks right now.
Three to one.
Right now OK is up in thisseries.

(01:07:05):
They have played extremely well, extremely well.
I mean they took game 1 114, 88.
They just completely shut downthe timberwolves.
Game 2, they shut them downagain 103.
They held them to in that gamethere and then it kind of
flipped script in game 3, 143 to101.
The timberwolves just laid iton them in game 3.
But then game 4, 128 to 12,they win a nail-biter there,
late Great game by the OklahomaCity Thunder there, and to also

(01:07:27):
win that game on the road, whichwas another huge win for them.
So, coming back home, now it'sgames back in Oklahoma City.
What do you think?
What are you liking in thisseries right now?
Do you think OKC can close itout in game five here?
What are you thinking here, doyou think?

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
the Timberwolves force game six back in Minnesota
they can, but I think it's veryslim.
So where the East we're lookingat depth, I think in the West
it's about consistency.
Minnesota has not gottenconsistent performances from
their great players.
Ant has been underwhelming forthe most part these playoffs.

(01:08:06):
They have been kind of ridingJulius Randle but the past
couple of games Julius Randle'skind of regressed a little bit.
You know Rudy Gobert's had hisissues against most teams that
they've faced.
Their bench has been really upand down, except for like what
game three?
The bench was well.
Except for like what game threethe bench was well.
I mean, last game the bench wasgood, but ant wasn't good,

(01:08:28):
randa wasn't good, yeah, so theway that they're built, their
formula is ant needs to belocked in with the mentality
that I'm going to be the bestguy on the floor.
He just hasn't been that.
And when you're going up againsta team like oklahoma city which
can come at you with not sganecessarily, because if he
struggles, they still have chetholmgren, they have jalen

(01:08:51):
williams, who's um, he had a lotof pressure on him to perform
this playoffs, uh, playoff run.
Because he struggled last yearthey got eliminated and I think,
with the KD sweepstakeslingering in the summer,
oklahoma City could have been adestination if Jalen Williams
came out small in these playoffs.

(01:09:12):
He's kind of turned back thetide on that, beating a
Minnesota team that's builtaround Ant's ability to be their
emotional leader as well astheir best player, because they
have some guys who justofficially aren't there, like

(01:09:33):
Rudy is never going to be HakeemOlajuwon.
Like you have Rudy out there,you're just hoping he can play.
He can protect the rim, getsome offensive rebounds, but he
deals with a physical center inHartenstein and then he gets to
deal with a skilled center inChet Holmgren.
So it's kind of a bad seriesfor him.

(01:09:53):
So if the Timberwolves aregoing to extend this series,
they need like a 30-point gamefrom Ant, game five, and they
need Randall to go back to whathe was before, which was a
25-point, 10-rebound kind of guy.
That's what they're going toneed in game five if they're
going to extend the series.
If not, it ends in five and Ithink it ends in five.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Do you have an issue with Ant basically saying he
didn't struggle game four?
Because when I look, whenyou're telling me I mean this
guy, he's supposed to be thatdude, right, and we were told he
was that dude and he acts likehe's that dude.
But you come out in a game thatyou just have to have.

(01:10:38):
It's at home.
You have to have this game.
You've got to knock this seriesup 2-2.
Going back to Oklahoma City,you can't allow it to get 3-1
and have a chance to be knockedout of the playoffs right then
and there, and you go 5 for 13,1 for 7 from 3, and you have 16
points, 5 of 7 from the freethrow line.
You are supposed to be thecenterpiece.
Everything's just supposed toflow around you and you, like

(01:11:04):
you said, are supposed to bethat guy.
You have a performance likethat in 41 minutes.
That's the, that's what yougive me and your answer to
reporters and everything is.
I don't think I struggled.
I got a problem with that,because when I look at it, I say
to myself if you're my star, Ineed you.
I this is like.

(01:11:25):
I'm not asking for an excuse.
I want you to tell me I suckedlike.
I want you to look me in theface and say I suck, I struggled
tonight, but I know why andwe're gonna look back on it,
we're gonna see what we can dodifferent and then in game five
I'm gonna come back, I'm gonnabe fine, we're gonna make
adjustments, we're gonna make itwork right.
That's what I wanted to hear,but instead you tell me I don't
think I struggle, I was fine,right, I I.

(01:11:48):
If you're going to be my starand I don't know if there's me,
but if you're going to be mystar I want you to take
ownership, because janice, forhis goofy and everything that he
is like, that he always takesthat ownership right where he's
like I could have been better.
I just feel like I don't know,maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
Like, are you seeing it fromthat?
So how do you see it with antthere?

(01:12:10):
Do you think he has to be alittle bit more?
I don't know if you would likeownership, like growing up, like
you know, grow up and take onsome of that ownership to why
the team is struggling or whythis happened in this way,
because you lose by two and youhave a struggling night, one for
seven from three.
I mean you play a little bitbetter yourself and I know
you're gonna have strugglingnights, but at the same time I

(01:12:31):
just didn't feel like ant wasant and in a big game like that,
you gotta be, you gotta besomething, and I don't think he
was that.
So I mean, what do you thinkabout that, that whole thing?

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
no, I agree.
Uh, he he like.
Because he said the first partwhere he didn't struggle and
then he kind of got on the righttrack where he said I didn't
struggle because I didn't takeenough shots.
So if that was his mentality,then his answer should have been
like I need to be moreaggressive because I can't just
take 13 shots.
And no, nobody would have battedan eye at that answer yeah I

(01:13:03):
think another problem you'reseeing with Ant and this is
something I think Tatum didn'tget enough credit for last
playoff run, where he wouldstruggle games shooting wise,
but because he's a betterplaymaker than Ant, he can
impact the game in differentways.
I think you see that with SGAin this series as well.
Sga can go out there and shoota poor percentage, but he's a

(01:13:27):
better playmaker than Ant.
He can contribute.
Ant, if Ant isn't scoring, he'skind of a frustration on the
court and I think that's thenext level for Ant where he's
going to be the guy in Minnesotabut he now has to make other
where.
A lot of times when Minnesota'splaying they're watching Ant,

(01:13:50):
wanting Ant to break down thedefense, get to the rim, you
know, post their dunks orknocking down the three.
Ant has to get to the pointwhere he can get into the lane.
Three guys collapse on him.
He can find the right guy foran open shot, because last game
Devin Chenzel shot like five forseven from three, but a lot of
that didn't come from Ant'saction, it came from other guys.

(01:14:11):
So that's where I think Ant inthis off season has to work on
his ability to play, make andmake other guys better if
Minnesota wants to be a titleteam here in the near future.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
I love that answer, love that answer.
I love that answer because,tatum, you knew he was a star,
but it was.
Why did jalen brown win the nvp?
Well, why, because tatum wasn'thimself for every game, but he
still was that threat, he stillhad that ability to pass, he
still had that ability to getguys open and that was a huge
part to why the celtics won thefinal.
So I completely agree with youthere so kyle, thank you, as

(01:14:49):
always, for stopping by the showhere and let the people know
where they can find you outthere.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Yeah, you know, just search Chopping of the Bit
YouTube, facebook.
You can find me on Twitch X,like all of them.
Yeah, just easiest way would beYouTube and then go through my
bio and you'll find all thelinks there.
You got to find them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
You got to find them out there.
He's got all the great NBAcontent, anything you need to
know NBA, anything you need toknow MLB.
He can answer all that stufffor you and you get in his
comment sections everything likethat He'll answer.
He'll talk your year off alldarn day long.
So, kyle, thank you, as always,we'll be right back here.
We got Badgers to talk abouttonight.
We got Brewers to talk abouttonight.
We got all kinds of stuff.
So we'll be right back here onWisconsin Sports on the go with

(01:15:37):
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We were talking about the NBA,talking about the playoffs there

(01:16:18):
, knicks, pacers and theTimberwolves and the Oklahoma
City Thunder series.
There we're going to switchgears.
Here we're going to talk alittle Badgers and then I want
to talk some Brewers, becausethe Brewers they are all over
the place, to talk a littlebadgers, and then I want to talk
some brewers, because thebrewers they are all over the
place.
It's like you want to believebut at the same time you're
annoyed and there's a wholebunch of, there's just a lot of
stuff that we got to talk abouthere with the badgers and the

(01:16:38):
brewer.
So right away I'm gonna startwith this badger team.
So over the last weekend I sawan article came out by dylan
graff and he was talking aboutin his article he was, um, a lot
of Big Ten coaches were talkingright, and they were talking
about this Badger team and thedirection and you know about,
about Luke Fickle, about theprogram and everything was

(01:17:01):
pretty blunt, it was prettystraightforward, it was exactly
what we kind of were thinking.
So one big tank coach saidnothing about the offense made
sense here, talking about thisbadger offense and everything we
saw long ago moving on,benefits everyone involved.

(01:17:22):
And if they bounce back andbecome a more modern version of
that classic wisconsin power runoffense, you'll wonder why they
ever made that move in thefirst place.
Right there, boom, you wantedto drive that, you wanted to
take your.
Please don't tell me you useDeWalt Like we'll use Milwaukee.
You want to drive thatMilwaukee, you want to drive
that.
Screw home with that Milwaukeeimpact or whatever you got there

(01:17:44):
from down at Foreman's.
I'm telling you this when yougot to knock that nail on the
head, that was it.
Right there.
Longo coming to Madison did notmake sense.
Not at all.
Wisconsin isn't.
When you looked at the talentand what was in the room for
Wisconsin, longo was not.

(01:18:05):
He was not built for that.
This team, this program was notbuilt for what Longo was
bringing in, this air raid, thisyou know you need athletic
go-getter guy.
You don't have that in Madison.
What did you have?
You had Braylon Allen.
You had guys who were the bigpower offense that was still
here.

(01:18:25):
Now, did you have the talentthat you want to say, because
everybody's going to say, well,paul, chris recruits weren't
that good in his last year andwhatever, I don't care, shut up,
I don't care about that anymore.
I'm so sick of this.
Paul Chris, talk now.
It's just ridiculous.
I'm just done with it.
When I look at this team, I'mlike they tried to jump the gun
and try to make something out ofwhat wasn't there and that

(01:18:47):
wasn't there.
They didn't have this.
So when I when I hear this,when I hear a big 10 coach tell
me that long ago, moving outbenefits everyone involved, I
couldn't agree more.
I could not agree more withwhat he had to say there.
So I completely agree.
The badgers finished 106 in epaper play.

(01:19:07):
They also finished 104th in epaper drop back.
So I mean, you're looking atall these numbers for the
badgers 22.6 points per game,good for 109th nationally.
That's well below the center.
So I mean, you're, you lookthrough this whole thing and it
just it never was there.
This never was a fit.
Phil longo was never fit.
It's not saying I hate when weget to the point where we're

(01:19:29):
like this coach is just terrible, because I don't think that
Phil, I don't think Phil Longowas terrible.
I think he was terrible forWisconsin.
He was a terrible fit.
Right, some guys are goodcoaches.
There's not good fits wherethey're at and that's what I
think we had here.
We had a bad fit for the spotthat we had.

(01:19:51):
We had a bad fit for here.
So yeah, that's kind of what Isaw.
So Jeff Grimes coming in.
Jeff Grimes is going to bringthat more traditional yet
advanced version of the powerrun football that we saw in
Madison.
He's going to utilize the runmore.
He's going to utilize more ofthe power run football that we
saw in Madison.
He's going to utilize the runmore.

(01:20:11):
He's going to utilize more ofthat power.
But he's also still going to.
He's going to dabble at thepast.
He's going to dabble at thetrickery.
He's going to dabble with thatkind of stuff.
He's going to switch it up alittle bit.
So, jeff Grimes coming in, thatI think that's huge for this
bad team.
So this is what another guy hadto say.
He said Grimes is a great hire.
Then they flipped the entireoffense except for the backs.

(01:20:32):
They need to go back toWisconsin football this year.
They've got a young backfieldthat can do it.
So that's.
I mean, you're looking at allthese different, all these
different coaches and, like Isaid, they don't they don't name
names or anything like that,with these guys's just coaches
talking right and coachesweighing in on their opinions
and you don't want like nocoaches really.
I mean they're going to say, ohyeah, I like this guy and
everything like that, but you'renot going to.

(01:20:54):
In this at least they didn'tgive out the names but you have
a lot of big time coaches whoare saying jeff grimes is the
guy they like, what, thedirection, what what wisconsin
is doing now, where they'retrying to get back to what they
were and not trying to forceanything.
They forced Phil Longo, theyforced this dairy raid, air raid
, bull crap on Wisconsin.
Now they're trying to backtrackand I think backtracking isn't

(01:21:15):
going.
It's like how do you, how doyou gauge it?
Because you're not.
I know everybody's like fireLuke Fickle.
They're not going to.
Why?
Because the buyout for LukeFickle's contract is huge.
He's not going anywhere becausethey would.
Who are you going to bring in?
That's going to take less?
Because you have to afford tostill pay that buyout to look
fickle?
Nobody.
So fickle, stay.
It's just a matter of what areyou going to bring around him?

(01:21:38):
Because, fickle, you look atthe offense.
You look at Phil Longo.
He wasn't the right guy.
Trestle's the next guy right.
Trestle's got to be on that hotseat too.
Is he the right guy for thedefense?
That's what we're going to findout with him.
But I look at this team.
It's like what do you got to do?
Wisconsin hasn't had anidentity over the past couple
years.
They haven't had an identity.
What are they?
Are they a passing team?

(01:21:58):
Are they a running team?
What is this team?
They need to establish anidentity and I think, with jeff
grimes now in the room, I thinkthey can establish that identity
and finish games, win games inthe room.
I think they can establish thatidentity and finish games, win
games in the moment, get inthese big games and find a way
to win them, move the footballconsistently.
That's what I think a guy likeJeff Grimes brings into it.
I mean, you look at this.

(01:22:20):
There's a couple different statsthat he went through in this
one.
But Wisconsin, they wereoutscored 72 to 15 in the fourth
quarter in its seven losseslast season.
72 to 15, that tells you thatwhen you look at the oregon game
, they're winning.
You look at that penn stategame, they're winning.
They had multiple big big gameswhere they had good teams on
the ropes.
They just couldn't find a waylate to make things happen.

(01:22:41):
And that's where you hope a guylike jeff grimes coming in.
He can slow down the game, hecan work the tempo, he can do
little things in there and alsobringing in a quarterback like
billy edwards jr, the transfercoming in, I think a huge
transfer ad.
So I mean all these things thatwe're talking about here are
going to be huge for this team.
Another big, big 10 coach he hadto say was fickle, is the guy.

(01:23:03):
But the offensive issues haveovershadowed the overall plan so
much that it's easy to see whysome folks might lose faith.
I think they just overreachedand are trying to modernize and
their program schematically oh,that's exactly what I was just
kind of trying to say there.
Maybe he said it better, Idon't know.
But that's what we're lookingat right now is basically they

(01:23:28):
tried to jump the gun with PhilLongo.
They tried to overreach andbecome something that Wisconsin
football just wasn't.
They were a power run team, notso much as air raid, not so
much as fancy stuff.
They tried to get to that point.
Instead of what a Jeff Grimes Ithink is going to do, is he's
going to try and implement alittle bit of both.

(01:23:48):
What a Jeff Grimes I think isgoing to do is he's going to try
and implement a little bit ofboth.
You try to overreach and gowith a Phil Longo who completely
went away from one, and thenyou had guys in the room who
were like, what am I supposed todo with this game plan here?
Right, what a guy like you knowBraylon Allen's in there, like
what, what am I doing?
You know, this is, this is not,it's not an offense for me,

(01:24:12):
right?
And you get Braylon Allen hehad some discrepancies.
When he's left, do I think LukeFickle gets a hall pass?
No, I don't think Luke Fickleis just going to get this.
Ultimately, get this big oldhall pass by any means.
But I'm also looking at this andI'm saying to myself, okay, I
look at this team and I say tomyself it's a tough schedule,

(01:24:35):
but if this team looks like theyhave an identity, they look
like they have a path and theylook like they look like they're
building towards something andthey look like a place where
recruits, transfers andeverything else wouldn't have a
problem with maybe going, I likeit, I like this team.
If they look like last year, welook disgruntled and we have
questions about.
Does Luke Fickle have thelocker room and everything in

(01:24:57):
between?
Okay, now I have problems.
Now I definitely have problemswith this team and you know
there's a little piece in here.
Luke Fickle is talking and hesaid from within the building
it's all about the mountain toclimb.
We didn't accept everypotential transfer guy that we
had a chance to get Everytransfer that was possibly
coming in here.
The first thing we did was setthe schedule down in front of
him and say look, just want tomake sure that you understand

(01:25:18):
what this mountain looks like.
So, not only emphasizing whatthis thing will look like, but
understanding that the humbleand hungry mindset and attitude
has got to be that you'rewilling to do what we need you
to do, because it's not going tobe easy.
I love that and if that's thetruth, I love that.
Setting the schedule down andsaying, all right, this is who

(01:25:38):
we play, this is who we play.
We play Alabama, we playMichigan, we play Iowa.
We have Ohio State, we haveOregon.
We have an Indiana team who'son the up and rise.
We have Ohio State, we haveOregon.
We have an Indiana team who wason the up and rise.
We have Illinois, we haveMinnesota, we have a good this

(01:25:59):
is a darn good schedule.
Do you want to be a part of it?
Do you accept that thisschedule is going to be a
gauntlet?
Do you accept that and do youwant to be a part of that?
Do you have the right mindsetto say this might be a struggle
bus at times.
Darn, we're gonna, we're gonna,we're gonna push, we're gonna
keep trying, we're gonna keepgiving her and we're gonna find
ourselves some, some wins inthere.
Oh, it's gonna be a dog fight.
We're gonna be in some dogfights.

(01:26:20):
Are you a part of it?
I, I like that.
I I like that what luke ficklehad to say there.
This isn't and you know, somecoaches are good with words and
I think luke fickle is good attalking to the media.
I really do.
I think he's good at smoothtalking to media.
But I, I look, I seriously Ilook at what he has to say and I

(01:26:40):
do think, honestly, he's a goodmotivator.
I do, I think he's a darn goodmotivator.
I just think it's about gettingthe guys to buy in.
And I think when you had anoffense underneath the Phil
Longo and that's kind of wherethis whole thing is is when you
had an offense underneath thePhil Longo where it looked like
it had no direction and thisteam looked like they had no
identity and on a defense whereyou're you're playing well.
I mean, we talked about itDefense had moments where they

(01:27:02):
were playing well but theoffense couldn't move the
football or they just stunk.
Well, it's hard to go out there, watch three plays and then
you're like, oh, they got theball back, then you get a stop
or you get a turnover right inplus territory and then they
don't do anything with thefootball.
So then you got to punt it backand then you got to go back out
there for defense and it's like, oh my, we're just gonna lose
anyways, who cares?
Right, and then you just fallapart.
That's kind of what we saw.

(01:27:26):
So I'm looking at this teamright now and I'm like all right
, what can you show me this year?
So I mean, that's just.
I saw this article by doinggraph and I thought it was quite
interesting seeing what some ofthe uh, big 10 coaches had to
say.
You know, talking to me, someof the guys said some of the
other big 10 coaches saidthey're, this is a very talented
team.
In some spots they're veryyoung, so well it's.
It's going to be one of thoseyears for wisconsin where it's
like give and take right.

(01:27:47):
What do you want to see?
I want to see this programstart to develop into something,
to show an identity, and thenI'm going to feel comfortable
with this team again.
That's kind of where you're at,if you, if you're really
looking at the grand scheme ofthings here.
I don't know what the ceilingis.
We're going to talk about thismore as we get closer to the
season here.
But we got more to get totonight here.
We're going to talk brewerstonight when we come back from
the break.
We're gonna hit a quick breakhere.

(01:28:07):
We're gonna come back.
We got some brewer talk to getto.
I got lots of things I want totalk about the brewers.
I had a random question that Ihad.
Somebody asked this question tome, so I want to get to, uh,
that question that somebody had,and then I mean we'll see.
We'll see what we get to lateron here in the show, so we'll be
right back here.
We're going to talk brewers onthe back side of the break here.
We're gonna get into thebrewers real fast here, so we'll

(01:28:29):
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But went to the break and wewere talking about the Badgers
and I said we're going to talksome Brewers here.

(01:29:30):
I had a question and thisquestion came across social
media to me which Wisconsinsport has the most passionate
fans?
So I mean we're talking Brewers, badgers, packers, bucs.
Okay, if it was my opinion.

(01:29:52):
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What Wisconsin sports have themost passionate fans?
Text me 715-990-4914.
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Which Wisconsin sports has themost passionate fans?
I would say I would have to sayPacker fans.

(01:30:13):
It's a toss up for me Packersand Brewers because I mean, it
says something to be a fan of ateam 162 days out of the year.
You wake up in the morning andyou're just like my team's
playing today.
They might lose and I mightactually say baseball fans are

(01:30:35):
crazy Because, like I said, youwake up 162 times and you tell
yourself I'm going to watch myteam today and their outcome of
their game affects your entiremood for that entire game.
Like the packers, I get over atabout midweek.
The brewers is, day by day,absolute.

(01:30:58):
Like if they lose at noon, therest of my day is like I just
want to take a nap.
I just want to take a nap.
I don't even.
I don't even want to.
I just want to take a nap, likea nap it's got to be.
I would honestly say it's atoss-up.
It is.
It's a toss-up between thePackers and Brewers and I can
see either one of them.
I don't think it's.
The Bucs.
Badgers have passion.
I'm a very passionate Badgerbasketball fan.

(01:31:21):
If you had to ask me what am Ipassionate about, but when I
look at it I would have to sayBrewers, because baseball is
just weird.
Like 162 times I wake up in themorning.
The outcome of the Brewersaffects my day every single day.
So it's like I don't know,maybe baseball fans in general
are probably the most passionateones.

(01:31:42):
If you ask me, they're probablythe most passionate ones out
there.
So that's where I'm kind of atright now.
Most passionate fans, I wouldsay Brewer fans in my opinion.
But it could be any way, shapeor form, whatever you think
there.
So that's kind of where I'm atwith that.
So I want to talk a little bitof Brewers here, because we went
to the break we were talkingBadgers.
I want to talk a little bit ofBrewers now.
This Brewers team.

(01:32:02):
They've been, let's say, betteras of late here.
They've been, let's say, betteras of late here.
They went through that Okay.
So they had that series therewith the Orioles and then they
faced off with the Pirates andthey have not.
I mean, they just haven't won agame on Sunday.

(01:32:23):
They haven't won a game onSaturday.
It's just how do you not win agame on Saturday?
I don't even know Some of thestats that I'm seeing coming out
of this Brewers team is justabsolutely unreal.
But I look at this team rightnow.
So over their last 10 gameswe're looking at them 6-4 in the
last 10.
Not terrible, they're hoveringaround 500.
I'm watching the end of thisgame right now, so they might be

(01:32:45):
500 here.
I don't know what's going tohappen in the wednesday game,
right, because I tell you guys,I'm pre-recorded, so you guys, I
mean just kind of accept that.
But looking at this bro teamright now, looking at I don't
even have to look at the statsto tell this tell you this one
pat murphy is driving me up awall and I'm to tell you why.

(01:33:17):
When I watch Nick Mears pitchnight after night after night
after night, it gets irritating.
And then McGill, and then Uribe, and then the Uribe one.
After the game we are told thatwell, aaron Ashby warmed up,
but since we sat him down wecouldn't warm him up again.
Well, why did you warm him upto begin with?

(01:33:37):
I don't get that.
Why did you warm him up?
You're just going to sit himdown and then you can't get him
back up.
It seems like a waste.
It seems like an absolute waste.
Pat Murphy's usage of thebullpen is alarming, but I think
it also boils down to his usageof the starting rotation.
We all sit here and even youknow, even the announcers and

(01:34:00):
even Pat Murphy's like well, mybullpen's being, you know their
usage is high.
And even McGill.
You heard Trevor McGill say, oh, the usage is really high.
And you have all these guystelling you that the usage is
really high.
And then I watched Chad Patrickpitch.
And Chad Patrick goes out thereand he throws what?
79 pitches, 50 for strikes, andgot pulled after four and

(01:34:20):
two-thirds.
Why do we complain that thebullpen is overused?
How do you sit there as amanager and say, well, you know
my bullpen's overused andeverything like that, and I'm

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going to make excuses for it.
But then we look back on it andwe say, well, chad Patrick only
threw 79 pitches, 54 strikes.
At some point you just have tolook at your guy and say, well,
chad Patrick only threw 79pitches, 54 strikes.
At some point.
You just have to look at yourguy and say, because, honestly,
at this point you guys like Ineed to know, not now, but you
need to look at these guys andsay how much do I trust?

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Can Chad Patrick go deep into agame when I get to the
postseason?
Is it worth my time?
Because if Chad Patrick can'tthrow over 79 pitches without me
getting worried, then why isLogan Henderson the guy who
keeps getting sent down I'lltalk about that in a second here
Him getting sent down for DLHall?
I know that's a big topic, butwhy is Logan Henderson the guy
that keeps getting sent down ifChad Patrick can't get me over

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79 pitches, if we're so worriedabout him that he can't go over
four and two-thirds innings, ifwe're so worried about him that
he can't go over four andtwo-thirds innings, why, if we
don't trust him, then why do wekeep sending down Logan
Henderson, who has beenfantastic?

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Why do we waste the time?
That's what I don't get.
So I'm so sick of the BS.
Oh well, you know all thesepeople all over the place.
Well, you know, the bullpenjust stinks, or this guy just
stinks, or this guy just stinks,and everything like that.
And well, what's Pat Murphysupposed to do?
What's he supposed to do?

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Pitch your guys.
I get it.
If Freddie Peralta goes over100 pitches, you got to pull
them.
Guys aren't built to go over 100anymore and everybody's like,
well, you know he should be ableto do this and he should be
able to do that.
It's not how they're wiredanymore.
I get it Back in the day, nolanRyan did this and Greg Maddox
did this and this guy did that.
I get that.
That was back in the day.

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Nowadays it's not that.
Nowadays, guys, bullpen guysare wired to pitch one inning,
that's it.
If they pitch more than 30pitches, they're done for a
couple of days.
That's how it is.
I don't know why.
Do I wish it was different?
Yes, yeah, I do.
I wish that McGill could gomore.
I wish that Uribe could go more.

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But guess what?
They get fatigued when they getfatigued.
Look at Nick Mears when he firstcame up to now and his over
usage of Nick Mears and how ithas just been completely
disastrous.
So you want to?
That's my honest opinion on it.
Everybody's like, oh, the overusage of the bullpen and
everything like that.

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There has been an over usage ofthe bullpen and everything like
that.
There has been an overusage ofthe bullpen.
There has.
But that overusage is the lackof usage, the lack of usage at
times Of the starters, of thosearms.
And if you can't trust thosearms, I don't know what to tell

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you.
And if you can't trust thosearms, I don't know what to tell
you.
Chad Patrick's been good.
Honestly, there's been talks ofhim in the Rookie of the Year
conversations.
Is he going to win it?
Probably not, but is he in thetalks?
Yeah, he should be.
He's been darn good.
But you don't trust him.
And it shows 79 pitches and 50for strikes and you get pulled

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after four and two-thirds.
You had a guy on when you gotpulled.
Sure you don't trust him to getout of that inning.
Oh, we had the arms that day.
No, you didn't.
Because in that stretch of gamesyour bullpen is one of the most
.
Your bullpen is 100 pitchesover everybody else.
Right now your bullpen usage isabsolutely ridiculous,

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absolutely ridiculous, andeverybody's going to say well,
you know, I don't even know, tobe honest.
I've tried.
I really have.
I've tried to understand allthis.
And the Brewers' bullpen issecond in innings.
Second in innings.

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Over the last nine days they'vethrown over 100 pitches more
than the next highest team'sbullpen.
Let that one sink in.
Let that sink in.
Let that sink in A hundredpitches more than the next

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overused bullpen you either have.
You have a couple of things yougot.
You got to either address thestarter situation then, which
hopefully you can, with Woodyand Katana coming back, but
Woody's not going to come backand start throwing six, seven
innings for you, right, he's gotto work into it.
I just look across this rosterright now and look across this

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team and the glaring problem isthere.
Is it an offensive problem too?
Yes, don't get me wrong,there's an offensive problem.
This offense has been.
Don't get me wrong, there's anoffensive problem.
This offense has been stinkingat times.
I completely agree.
One run ain't enough to win anygames in the MLB anymore.
But do I think that theoverusage of the bullpen is

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completely on Murphy?
Yes, yeah, I do, I really do.
I think there's times where hecould use his starters more.
So I think there is anoverusage problem because
starters can't go enough.
And then I think there's anoverusage problem because he
pulls starters too soon.
So I think there is a problemall the way around with this
bullpen and rotation.

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At this very moment, christianJelic and I know everybody's,
know, everybody's gonna tell mewell, he's, you know he just had
a home run here.
He walked off the red socks.
So I gotta know about that.
He walked off the red socksthere and everything in between.
Yay, whoopie, do.
Anyways, in between he's bad205 he had.
He's been hitting better,they're gonna tell me.

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Right, he had two home runsagainst the pirates and he had a
decent series there and nowhe's got this.
Well, okay, whatever, I don'tcare.
I'm going to look at this andsay, would playing the field
help him?
I think so, because when Iwatch him at times it's like
he's moping.
He's like his bottom his lip islike dragging.

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It's like he's moping.
He's like his bottom lip islike dragging on the ground.
When he's walking around, hestrikes out and he goes back oh,
poor me.
And he's walking around theclubhouse and everything in
between, and then he's got to goback up there and bat again and
then it's a strikeout and thenhe goes back and he's moping.
Put him out in the field everyonce in a while.
Keep him engaged in the game.

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When you're a dh, a d, peoplejust think, oh, you can just
slap a guy a dh because it'sjust that easy.
It's not you're.
You're not engaged anymore whenyou're playing the field.
Right, because I was justtalking, we had kyle on earlier.
We're talking about the nba,but during the break we were
talking about because he's bigred sox guy and we were talking

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about the transition of guys tothe dh role and rafael devers
had his transition to the dhrole.
He was third baseman.
Alex bregman came in, so thenthey moved on and I look at like
he with a guy like Devers.
It took him a little bit toadjust.
It took him a little bit toadjust to now being the DH of

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this roster.
Luckily we don't have to faceAlex Bregman in this series,
alex Bregman's having a prettygood year 299 already to start
the year but it took him alittle bit to adjust to that.
And I look at a guy likeChristian Yelich and the year,
but it took him a little bit toadjust to that.
And I look at a guy likechristian yelich and I'm like
cycle him a little bit.
Everybody's like, oh, he's gonnaget hurt playing the field.
He's gonna get hurt playing thefield.
He get hurt batting.
Broke his kneecap.

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We remember that broke hiskneecap.
Batting.
It can hurt batting the back.
The way you torque your backwhen you swing, it could easily
just be as bad in there as it isin the field Right now.
We don't exactly like before,when it was, you know, garrett
Mitchell, and you had JacksonTurio and you had Sal, and

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you're trying to figure out howto fit everybody in there.
Okay, that was fine.
Then he could DH.
You have Jake Bowers playingthe outfield right now.
Jake Bowers, I think, dh.
You have jake bowers playingthe outfield right now.
Jake bowers, I think christianyelich can play the outfield.
Put him out there just to getthe field, just to get in there,
get that feel a little bit.
I don't think that'd be a badthing.
I really don't.
I don't think that'd be a badthing at all.

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So I I would be fine withseeing him kind of get pushed
out of dh and see him a littlebit more in the outfield, not
every day, but every once in awhile at least.
So I look okay.
So off a yellow trough for thatlogan henderson sent out.
There's a couple differentreasons, right, bullpen needs

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starting depth.
It doesn't really it.
It doesn't make sense.
But it makes sense, right, andat the same time you're also
looking.
Quintana, he's going to be backsoon.
Woody potentially behind him atsome point.
So you're going to have guysback.
Logan Henderson's been greatfor the Brewers.
He's been great.
I think there's going to come atime where you stop with the
sending up and down of LoganHenderson.

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Right now, the DO Hall was forbullpen depth.
It had to have been Because thebullpen was depleted so you had
to find some depth.
Do Hall coming back was thatdepth?
Now is Logan Henderson going tobe back, 100% he's going to be
back and at some point I wouldhope that they stop with this
whole cycle of him and they justleave him up.
So that's where I'm kind of atwith that situation.

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I'm not going to dig too fardeep into it.
So the Memorial Day check-inGoodness, we're running out of
time here in the show for thenight.
The Memorial Day check-in Ithink we're going to have to
wait with the Memorial Daycheck-in.
We're going to do the MemorialDay check-in next week on the
show.
We'll check in with thesestandings.
We'll see where everybody's at,what we're thinking, and then

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we'll kind of gauge it off ofwhere you're at with this team
right now.
Are you selling off players?
Are you holding tight?
Are you going for help.
Now, where are you at with thisteam?
I think we'll pick that up nextweek because there's a lot of
discuss there and I don't wantto just cut it off.
I don't want to cut it off toosoon.

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So this Brewer team, right now Imean they're going to be
finishing up this series withthe Red Sox.
Like I said, you guys haveknown I mention to you all the
time.
So just every time I mention itI'm not trying to say the same
thing over again.
But the Brewers will bewrapping up this series with the
Red Sox.
Hopefully to say the same thingover again, but the Brewers
will be wrapping up the serieswith Red Sox.
Hopefully a series sweep, I'mnot sure, but hopefully a series
sweep.
After we see them walk off theRed Sox there on that Christian

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Yelich Grand Slam there in thatninth inning.
So they got the Red Sox andthen we're going to see this
team oh, I just lost my page sothey get back to 500.
We're going to see this teamsquare off with the Philadelphia
Phillies.
So we've got a tough seriescoming up here.
After the Red Sox, then theReds, you've got a little
division cook in there, then SanDiego, then you're going to

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have Atlanta, then St Louis,then Chicago.
It does not get easier for theMilwaukee Brewers, hopefully
finding a little bit of stridehere.
So we're gonna come back.
We're gonna hit a quick break,we're gonna come back.
We're gonna wrap up the showfor the day.
Like I said, did not get to ourmemorial day wrap, our memorial
day wrap to see where theteam's at, but we're gonna do

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that next week here on the show.
We'll get to our little quarterthird of the way I think they
call it is like a third of theway through the season.
So we're gonna get to that whenwe come back here.
We'll be right back here onwisconsin sports on the go with
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I'm your host, trage, as we'rewrapping it up here on this
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The brewers hopefully got thatseries sweep over the red sox,
like we're talking about before.
They're got the phillies comingup this weekend here.
So hopefully we're talkingabout a couple good.
We got phillies, then the reds,so a couple of tough series
coming up for the brew crew.
So hopefully we're talkingabout some good series and
possibly a good road trip.
They haven't had a winning roadtrip so far.
So hopefully a good road triphere, uh, for the milwaukee

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