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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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It is the 2nd of February.
What a 2nd of February.
What a 2nd of February.
Had a basketball tournamenttoday, the boys down in
Nealsville there, and it was,yeah, it was one of them days.
It was one of them days.
I had two guards on my entireteam.
One of them played the firstgame.

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He looked tired.
He looked tired.
I knew he looked tired duringthe game, did not know that he
threw up that morning, did noteven tell his mother that he
threw up that morning.
And well, he threw up all overthe table in the cafeteria while
we were sitting there waitingfor the next game.
And well, yeah, that's abouthow well they went right there
for us.
So I mean it was a good day.
It was a good day.
It's always a good day when youget youth basketball and just

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see some of the up-and-cominggood players that are coming up
in the high school ranks heresoon, soon there.
So some good stuff there.
We watched the Badgers get awin over the weekend there.
The Pro Bowl was today.
I didn't watch it, I was busy,I didn't care first off, but I
didn't watch it.
So that happened today here, butthere was breaking news in the
NBA, there was all kinds ofstuff.
So I got Aaron here tonightwith me.

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Aaron, how we doing on thisSunday I mean weekend's over,
sadly, I mean too fast.
But hey, we're here, we'reready to talk about sports.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
No, absolutely.
I mean, I can't lie to you.
There were a couple times, youknow, throughout my hours
working Today I, you know, jokewith my Cowboys buddy there at
work and I'm like you knowwhat's the score of this game?
What's the score?
And it's, like, you know, deadzone.
You know, it's just weird.
It's that first Sunday withoutany, I mean, you know, no
playoff football or anything.
So I'm trying to cope a littlebit, but you know it could be a

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lot worse.
And yeah, not a bad day overhere.
And you know, you never know,man, next season I think better
results are coming your way foryour coaching, your little
coaching career.
You got going down there.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Oh, we'll be fine, we'll be just fine.
You know, got to keep kidshealthy and keep them out there.
That's the big part.
But yeah, that was a big thingOver the weekend.
I mean, I went shopping.
My wife she was baby showerthis weekend there so I went.
She sent me grocery shopping.
I had the mission right, shesent me on the mission.
It was a tall task, all right.
I got pictures of everything Ihad to get, like I was invested

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into this.
We go to Aldi and I don't know,do you got Aldi's out there in
Pennsylvania?

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, yeah, actually real close to me, Real close to
me.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, and you've probably been to or seen the
Aldi, there I ended up.
I'm going to aldi.
Right, I didn't go into targetshe knows I hate target, so she
got a pickup order for target,so that was fine.
Go to aldi and it is justbooming.
There's probably about 60people in the store and, mind
you, it's not that big of a townmarshville, wisconsin, like
that.
Okay, it's big enough, but,like usually aldi isn't bustling

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with 60 people at a time.
There's like 60 people in thisstore and I got my grandma with
me and she's pushing the cartbecause she's a little crazy old
lady and she's all after himand I'm there, you know, and I'm
just like what is going on?
Well, we got it to the registerand I love the, I love the cash
registers and all of these,because those guys they're
checking out there's, they're onit into your cart on the other
side, like a million milesprobably.
Thank god it didn't get eggsright and this guy, we're

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sitting there.
We're like busy day, huh.
He's like, yeah, you wouldthink people haven't seen snow.
And we're like well, what doyou mean?
Well, apparently a lot ofpeople coming in said that they,
they heard that there was goingto be some snow, two inches of
snow that we were going to getin Wisconsin and they were
freaking out.
So they went to the grocerystore to stock up.
I was like are you kidding?
Like we haven't got, like I getit hasn't snowed a lot, but two

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inches of snow and we're outhere like dang near.
The apocalypse is starting.
So that was the weekend rightthere.
That was the weekend having togo to Aldi there and just deal
with the chaos that was.
I mean, there was nohandicapped spots left.
My grandma had to walk from theother side of the parking lot
because the handicapped spotsare all full.
Shame on Aldi.
Only three handicapped parkingspots in Marshfield, wisconsin.
That's just silly.
We need four, we need four orfive.

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Come on, just ridiculous there.
But I mean, all in all, got thegroceries, that's what mattered
.
Did not get organic popcorn,chicken, but outside of that,
found it all, found everythingon the list.
So we're good there.
So that's enough about myweekend.
That's enough about my weekendthere.
Let's get to what happened herein the NBA, because there was a
big, surprising broke in themiddle of the night deal.

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I woke up to this this morning.
I woke up to this.
I looked at my phone.
I was like, are you serious?
Like this actually happened.
So Luka Doncic, everybodyreally knows about Luka, right?
People kind of forget aboutAnthony Davis.
I forgot about Anthony Davis inthe past.
But people forget about AnthonyDavis.
But Luka Doncic is on his wayto the Lakers just overnight.

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This trade just kind of happened.
From what I heard, luka didn'task out, luka didn't want out.
It was more about hisavailability for the Mavs.
They just maybe didn't want tosign him to a Supermax.
They didn't want to get to thatpoint just because of his
availability, his injuryproneness, I don't know.
But Anthony Davis, last seasonhe got clocked in the head and

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he left in a wheelchair.
I mean, like I remember Shaqand Charles were making fun of
him on a postgame show becausehe like had a concussion and he
left in a wheelchair.
Like that's, that's AnthonyDavis in a nutshell for you and
you're worried about injury, bro, and you're bringing a guy like
Anthony Davis what's that doingfor you?
I don't know.
I mean the Mavs, they maybeneeded that two-way big

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experience forward to throw downthere Kyrie's still around.
I just you lose the scoring.
The guy who willed you to achampionship in Luka Doncic.
It'd be like if I would havewoke up this morning and it
crossed my screen and saidGiannis Antetokounmpo has been
traded.
Buck fans would quit on theBucs, we'd be done with it Just

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because that's how much Giannismeans to the Bucs.
I don't understand this tradefrom the simple standpoint of
that's how much Luca meant tothe Mavs and you got relatively
nothing for him.
I saw the Kevin Durant tradethat when he left the Nets there
, and it was just utterlyridiculous how many pieces that
the Brooklyn Nets received back,pick on top of pick on top of

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pick.
And then a couple of players CamJohnson in that one, and I
can't remember who the otherplayers off the top of my head,
but they got two players thereand a boatload of picks.
And for luca you got anthonydavis, I think max christy was
that.
The other one there was maxcrispy.
Yeah, turning the deal there.
And then a pick.
What?
What did you in all reality getout of this?

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If you're the maps I think yougot, I don't think you've got
better.
I see all these people out here.
They're like oh, a plus, a plusdeal for the Mavs.
I'm like how?
Like yeah, luka hasn't playedsince.
And even for the Lakers Lukahasn't played since.
I thought they said Christmaslast time I saw.
But now, what the hell?
What the hell was the point ofbringing in Klay Thompson if
you're gonna unload the?
Because you brought in KlayThompson to put around Luka, to

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put around Kyrie and to buildthat core together.
Now you send out Luka and youbring in AD.
It makes sense, I guess, almostin the grand scheme of things
have a big, have a shooter, havea guard.
I guess that makes sense in thegrand scheme of things.
But Luka was the heart and soulof that team.
Yeah, well, you know he gotpeople made fun of him all the

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time because he was slow, likehe didn't seem like he.
His, his moves were very slowand methodical, I'll give you
that one.
Like he wasn't.
It wasn't like it was a fastmove to the basket, but Luca was
the heart and soul of that teamand if I'm a Mavs fan, I'm
pissed.
I'm like he didn't want toleave.
If he wanted to leave, sure,like I am all for.
If there's a guy on my teamwho's like I really don't want

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to play, like Jimmy Butler isright now, I'm all for getting
rid of a guy like that.
Like that just ruins your team.
Luca, from what we know andwhat I saw, I didn't get a full
chance to read through hisheartfelt goodbye letter across
social media, but from what Icould gather, it's a very
heartfelt, very emotional, verysad.
Like leaving this place.

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I don't know if he wanted toleave and yet we kind of just
say you later, buddy, like tothe wind.
I hate that.
I hate when you do that to aguy because of what he's meant
to your organization, gettingyou to the finals.
He took you to the finals.
You didn't win, but he took youthere.
I don't know, aaron, I hate it.
I hate it for a guy like Luka,who's put so much into this

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organization.
They sucked.
I mean they sucked when hestarted there.
They were sucking and he stuckit out.
Stuck it out Could have said,hey guys, I want out of here.
Never did, and now you move onfrom.
For Anthony Davis, I meanAnthony Davis has been
irrelevant to the league sincehe went to the Lakers, so I

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don't even know what to say tothis.
I think this is utterlyridiculous.
I think you just traded acornerstone piece of your
franchise and if I'm a Mavs fan,I'm pissed.
I'm pissed today.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Absolutely, I mean this one.
I mean you know you follow theNBA closer than I do but
obviously, like you know, Icatch up and watch playoff
basketball.
Like you know, just this onpaper is so just upside down to
me for the Mavs, just kind offor the reasons that you already
said.
I mean, you know, bring upanother Laker there like Kobe.

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Right, he would be callingAnthony Davis like softer than
Charmin.
You know what I mean.
Like that was one of his thingsKobe always said softer.
Like you're getting a guy whois just pudding.
Like this guy is, so soft he's.
I don't know If I'm a Mavs fan.
I'm sitting there like, yeah,we're cooked, we're sautéed.
Like this team's not goinganywhere.

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I mean, yes, you know, theinjury concerns with Luka is a
shame, I mean, but you'retrading for an equal liability
in injuries with Anthony Davis.
Like he is about as banged upas anybody every single year.
Like he reminds me of Stantonon the Yankees.
Like you know, book him for 20.
I mean NBA, obviously lessgames, they're 80, what 82?

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But it's like book him for 20to 40 games missed every year.
That's, that's per usual forhim.
So I I just, yeah, I don't knowman, like the reasons you said.
He was the heart and soul ofhis team.
I, I had no idea.
I don't.
I don't know if you heard that.
You know he was like apotential trade piece at all.
I didn't even know that.
Um, but yeah, from a Mavericksstandpoint, I got to look at the

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GM, this and that.
But what's Mark Cuban reallydoing Ever since Dirk Nowitzki
retired?
Yes, they've gotten there, butI don't think they've put
together the best rosters.
They just look.
They counted on Hardaway to bea big piece.
He didn't really do that much.
Mean, poor zingas.
What did he really give youwhen he was there, like I, just
outside of luca and kairi, whathave they really put together?

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Luca was like their.
You know that was all in withluca and I I was, you know, I
like I'm a big luca guy.
It's hard to be now becausehe's going to play with lebron
and I cannot stand rooting forLeBron, but it's yeah.
If I'm a Mavs fan, like I'msitting there like make it, make
sense, cause it sure doesn'tthis could be like one of the
worst.
You know, they might look backthree, four years from now and

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be like this was a colossalmistake.
I just, I feel like they haveno reason or they have no
expectation to go anywhere now.
Like they now.
Now, what Like?
It's just.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
From what I was reading.
I was reading his farewell andhe kind of snubbed the Mavs.
So no, he had no idea.
He had absolutely no idea whatwas going to happen in this.
In this whole grand scheme ofthings, I think he's upset that
he got traded.
He wanted, like he said in histhing, he wanted to bring a

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championship to dallas.
Never was given the opportunity.
According to mark cuban, he hadnothing to do with the trade.
So I just saw that I was, I wasjust scrolling around here.
Mark cuban said he had nothingto do with the mavericks.
Luka, doc, jakes trades.
Uh, shocker there.
So they said I just saw.
I don't think.
I don't know if this is true, Ididn't.
It's from a guy on Twitter,chris Davis was his name.
It said that they approachedthe Bucs about Giannis.

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First.
They asked about Giannis forDonchik.
So apparently Donchik, he'sbeen on the trade block for the
Mavs.
The Mavs just didn't tell himthat that's what was going on,
so we'll see what kind ofhappens there.
Um, what do we got here?
Uh, rob, on facebook, there hesays fox to the spurs, levine to
sacramento.
Okay, all right I like I'venever hated levine, he just

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always seems to be out.
He always seems to be injuredthere.
They've talked about the bucksgoing after levine too, and I
know chris middleton's still ontrade block.
Bobby portis has been at homeso he's been pissed off, so I'm
guessing he's gonna get tradedhere.
Pretty.
He hasn't played in the lastcouple.
And then Pat Connington.
But if they move on for PatConnington I'll get over it
pretty darn fast.
That'll be a-okay with me.
I mean, we're waiting to seewhat the Bucs do here.

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I mean they're running close tothe trade deadline.
We'll see what the Bucs do.
Todleton I don't Bobby, maybePat Connington for sure I'm okay
with moving on from there.
But I just don't know if theyblow up that core with Middleton
.
It's like you take the goodwith the bad with Middleton.
Right now I like Middleton.
The injuries worry you.

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He's getting a little bitslower.
You get that with age.
I think that's the Bucs ingeneral, though right now don't.
I've said it before and I'llsay it again At some point.
I think the Bucs have got toaccept it and just kind of move
on from some of these guysBrooke Lopez, et cetera.
Move on from some of these guys.
Trade for either you knowassets or trade for picks,

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whatever it is.
Build yourself back up from theyouth up.
That's what you got to do, like, I know you got yannis and you
only got so many years of yannisand I get that.
Now you have dame, but at somepoint you kind of just got to
bite the bullet and move on.
Tonight I'm waiting to see whatthe bucks do.
Waiting to see what the bucksdo here come towards the trade
deadline.
So we're at the 14 minute markhere.
We got to hit an ad break.
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We got a question aboutwisconsin basketball there.

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Speaker 1 (15:15):
I see, rob, you mentioned that before.
Sorry, rob, I thought you werejust kind of throwing like a
random suggestion out there.
I just saw the deal happen uh,breaking news, king's finalizing
deal to send, oh now.
Now it doesn't load on me, butit looked like it was going to
be uh, the aaron fox to thespurs there, interesting.
So we got another movehappening there.

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I I mean, wow, okay, nba freeagencies, I would have free
agent trade deadline getting hot, just getting hot right now.
We'll see if the Bucs getinvolved here pretty darn soon.
I think they would have to.
I don't know how you watchdeals like this happen if you're
the Milwaukee Bucs and you'rejust like we just sit pat, we
just don't do anything here toget better.

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They got to do something.
They got to do something to tryto improve what they got right
now, to improve what they gotright now.
So we'll see.
We'll see, kind of, what theBucs do there.
But I had a question.
So I mean, aaron, you're aPhilly guy but you can talk, you
can talk on this.
So right now, wisconsin highschool basketball, they don't
implement a shot clock and theydon't implement a charge circle.
So I I don't know if you knowwhat the charge circle like that

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underneath the hoop there.
They have that little halfcircle there and, um, they don't
have either one.
So I've seen a lot of peopletalking about across social
media.
I was just wondering what ourthoughts were on it.
I have always been a firmbeliever and I'd love the input,
I'd love them to implement theshot clock into high school
basketball.
I have been a part of and Ihave seen games where there is

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like a minute, two minutes,three minutes of clock killed
and I saw at one point twominutes of clock killed on one
possession and those games getold fast and you're just, it's a
keep away game.
It's one of those kind of it'sjust, it's not.
It's not what you want in abasketball game.
You want the ball to be moving,you want guys to have to make
moves, you want them to have toplay basketball.

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You don't want them just beable to stand on the perimeter.
And because I watched the guyonce he uh, they had it at half
court brought it across the halfcourt and they said don't go
and guard him.
So he stood at three point lineand that guy stood at half
court and he just dribbled andhe dribbled and I watched six
minutes I kid you not of clockburn off, before this coach said
go get him and then he sent himafter him six minutes o'clock,

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like that's.
That's ridiculous.
That is ridiculous.
I am all for the shot clockbecause it leads to what I
believe makes better basketballand that is more of a high
octane, getting after it kind ofgame not being.
You know, you know you stillcan slow it down, but you're
forced to do things.
You're forced in those 30seconds you can't just run the

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clock.
You see a lot of these upsetsand I know a lot of these upsets
happen because of this, whereyou can just kill clock.
You know this team goes up like, say, they're up 10, they can
sit there and kill the clock forthree minutes.
I don't want that.
I want them to have to take ashot in 30 seconds and then give
the ball back to whoever.
That's where I want to see thegame get to, because I think
there's too many times where,late in games or anything like

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that, you're just playing, keepaway.
It's the same thing if you geta lead with, say, you take a
two-point lead or you have atwo-point lead with a minute 30
left and this team comes down.
They missed the shot.
You still have that two-pointlead.
You get the ball back.
They don't want to foul,they're just playing tough
defense on you.
But you can kill all that clockdown right and they're forced

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to follow you early because theydon't have a shot clock on
their back.
I'd rather see it there's ashot clock.
Now you have to get a shot offin 30 seconds, so this team is
guaranteed.
Hey, if we get a rebound here,all we team is guaranteed.
Hey, if we get a rebound here,all we got to do is play this
out.
If we get a rebound here, we'reguaranteed that we can get the
ball back one more time.
I want to see the game trend inthat direction because I feel
like there's a lot more benefitsto the shot clock than no shot

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clock in high school basketball.
I really do.
I think it would lead, like Isaid, to a lot better basketball
, but I think it would get guysready for the next level too.
I mean there's guys look at indepeer there, jack king, uh,
kaiser from depeer there.
He's gonna be heading off tomadison next year.
I know he's gonna adjust prettyeasily to a shot clock, but get
these guys ready for a shotclock when they get up to, uh,

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to the college level, right,because right now they're not
utilizing the shot clock.
They got all the time in theworld do whatever.
Well, once you get to thecollege level, you got to adjust
fast to that shot clock, beingable to get shots off,
everything like that.
I wouldn't hate the shot clock.
I mean, where are you at, aaron, like you hear all that?
I mean, would you be opposed toa shot clock in high school
basketball?

Speaker 3 (19:36):
No, absolutely not.
I mean, I, I can't believe.
I mean, to be honest, I it'sbeen so long since I went to
like a high school basketballgame and you know, at my local
high school, you know, like theone I attended, right, but I
can't remember, like I feel likewe had a shot clock though
Maybe I'm mistaken.
You know we could, I could bein the same situation.
I just, I feel like we did.

(19:58):
But you know, regardless ofthat, like yeah, I mean, it only
makes sense, right, you're kindof modifying the game or like
maybe dumbing it down.
You know, I don't know exactlyhow to put it, but I wouldn't
enjoy that very muchaesthetically, from a fan
standpoint.
Like you said, imagine just theguy at the three-point line,
just like dribbling back forth,back forth and then passing it

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to somebody, then passing backto him, back forth, back, like
that's just not, that's like,you know, um, backyard
basketball, right, like that'slike pickup shirts versus skins,
you know you're with your boysdown the street at the local
park type of deal.
Like we can't have, uh,competitive, you know, organized
basketball in that, in that way.
So yeah, I'm all for it.
I mean, I, I think it's I don'twant to call it like stupid,

(20:42):
like maybe that's a littlelittle harsh, but like it's not
very logical to not have it inmy, in my personal opinion, just
because, like you said, youknow they get to the next level.
Then it's like, oh, okay, now,like the, the whole rhythm of
the game is different and andyou're talking about better
players at the next level youknow faster, um, you know more
athletic, everything else.

(21:03):
And now you're like okay, now Ihave to adjust the shot clock.
You know we baseball differentstory, I know, but remember how
pitchers were like, oh my, like,how are we going to adjust to
this?
This pit?
You know the clock in baseball.
So the more, the the earlieryou can.
I mean, I wouldn't have aproblem with it in middle school
, right, like getting kids okay,like it's just, it's part of
the game, it's part of the nba,it's part of the NBA, it's part

(21:24):
of college.
Like it's just the shock, liketo me it's weird the shot clock
isn't there already.
You know what I mean.
That's where I stand.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, I would agree, and I was just looking it up
there.
Apparently you can decide.
It's a.
From what I saw, it's a stateby state thing.
So the national federation ofstate high school associations
approved a 35 second shot clockfor high school basketball.
But each state can decidewhether to adopt it.
So some states must do it, somestates don't.

(21:53):
Uh, looks like the nine to fiveagainst vote adopting it in
2022.
So they didn't technicallyadopt it to have to at this
point.
So they're kind of just workingit through right now.
But you can if you want.
I saw somebody said that theyhave one in California.
I don't know, I don't care whatCalifornia does, but they have
one out in California,apparently, from what he said.

(22:14):
But I wouldn't be opposed to itat all.
I think it would be beneficialto the game and I think it would
keep it moving.
It keep it moving along.
It keeps teams honest, keepsthem on their toes and makes
better basketball.
I believe, at the end of theday, when you actually have to
move it and you're not able tojust burn the clock and burn the
clock and burn the clock, thatleads to a lot of problems.
So I mean, yeah, I'm all in forthat.
The charge circle too.

(22:35):
I saw somebody talking aboutthe charge circle.
I think they should have acharge circle.
I don't understand why that.
If anything, I would understandthe shot clock because I think
it would be.
How do you get every highschool team to pay to put a shot
clock in above the basketbecause that's where you'd have
to put it.
So it's gonna lead to moneyproblems.
I would say with shot clockbecause you can't just have it

(22:56):
up on the scoreboard.
It has to be above the basketalways.
You have guys constantlylooking up at the scoreboard to
figure out which time's left.
So I think they would have to.
It'd be a money problem there.
But the charge circle, that'sjust player safety.
Like you, you should have acharge circle underneath there.
So that way you have to havewhere can I stand before I am
going to get a foul called on me?

(23:16):
Where is it going to be aproblem?
That's what you have to have achart circle, because I've seen
too many times guys drive in andI've seen too many charges get
taken with the guy standingunderneath the basket.
And I know you're gonna say well, referees are supposed to know
that.
Yeah, they're supposed to right.
But we've seen our fair shareof referees who get on our
nerves and irritate us a littlebit.
And guess what?

(23:37):
There are a lot of them in highschool basketball because they
get paid by the hour.
It's not like they they're thebest of the best.
If they were the best of thebest, they'd be well.
No, I shouldn't say that becauseI've seen referees in the NFL
and everything like that.
It doesn't make a difference.
That's fair.
But I mean, end of the day,they're human right.
They're going to make errors.
They're not going to see itthere you have legally stand or

(24:08):
where he legally can't stand.
I think it just improves thegame that much more and it makes
player safety 101 it.
That's all that it is.
You have to keep your playerssafe and when I think of
something as simple as that,that's what I'm looking for.
So I think the charge circle isdefinitely needed in high
school sports just to protectthe players yeah, I'm on board
with that as well.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
I mean, once again, you're, you're making it like my
biggest thing is.
I mean I shouldn't put it aboveplayer safety, I guess.
But it's like you know, youstart learning, you know where
am I at in development as far asthe basketball career, maybe
outside of the academic.
You know, you're in school,you're playing ball, like what's
it going to be?
You know that type of thing.
So, once again, like you saidtoo, like player safety plays
into that as well, it's it'sjust feels like it's just like

(25:00):
Stone Age to not have it to me,like like it's just like stone
age to not have it to me, like Idon't know, like maybe it's
like other people feeldifferently it's bad.
It's college, you know, it'shigh school.
Let's have a little bit more,you know, be a little bit more
loose with it.
But I, I don't know high schoolis, I mean where I went to
school like everything waspretty competitive, school to
school, schools.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I, I imagine it's the same way, you know I think you
got to keep it a little bitlooser in college, but you still
have to try and get down to theroots and I think the shot
clock has become.
It's become huge in not justcollege but the next level, in
the pro level, after thateuropean league, whatever it is
it's becoming huge.
So I think implementing that,the charge circle, that's just
player safety, I mean that's.

(25:38):
That's as simple as paintingthe line on the floor, like that
doesn't require much money atall or anything like that.
That's just keeping your guyssafe.
And if you are opposed to that,I don't know why, like I don't
understand why.
I just feel like I want toteach my kids like hey, don't
undercut a kid, like that shouldbe basketball 101.

(25:59):
And when you're standingunderneath the hoop and a guy's
come driving in at you and youjust stand there, you're
undercutting him, you're takingaway his landing zone.
Right, you've got to give a guya landing zone.
I can't tell you how many timesI've seen a guy dunk and he's
got to hold on to the rim foreven longer because there's a
guy standing right below him andif he lets go he's going to
land right on top of him.

(26:20):
And then the refs are like,well, you know, don't hold on to
the ball, don't hold on to therim so long.
Right, it's like what is hesupposed to do?
And I get you're not supposedto hold on to the rim, like
that's what college?
I mean you're not because it'sshowboating.
And I get it Right, you grabthe rim, you let go a guy below

(26:47):
him and you see refs all thetime.
They're like hey, what go?
Like, what are you doing upthere?
And it's like what do you wantto do?
Fall on top of this guy whodidn't get the heck out of the
way, like it's pretty easy there.
So I mean that's yeah, I simplyplayer safety.
That's where I'm at with thecharge circle there and the shot
clock.
I think the shot clock needs tobe implemented just for pace to
play a basketball games.
Keep them competitive, keepthem real.
You know, like you said, getguys ready for the next level
there.
But I mean the biggest thingfor me is just keeping the pace

(27:08):
of the game, because when youtake away that shot clock,
you're allowing teams for twominutes of offense, three
minutes of offense.
I don't like that, I don't.
I mean I like good offensewhere it's constantly moving.
Like I love the movement of thebasketball, but I mean watching
a team defend for three minutesstraight and watching a team
just pass the ball around theperimeter for three minutes.

(27:29):
That's I can't who.
Who likes that?
Somebody please tell me youlike watching that?
That's not good basketball.
Like even Wisconsin, when theywould only score 50 points a
game and they would wait untilone second on the shot clock to
shoot every time.
They still shot with one secondleft on the shot clock.
Like they still were puttingthe basketball up in the shot
clock.
Virginia the same way, right,they were slow-paced basketball
teams who were still able toshoot basketball.

(27:50):
So there's a lot of time therein 30 seconds to be able to do
that kind of stuff.
So I mean, I'm all in for theshot clock, I'm all in for the
charge circle there.
So we'd We'd love to hear whatyou guys think, though, out
there.
If you've got an opinion on it,definitely let us know there.
But we've got to hit our secondad break here.
We're going to come back.
We've got some badge talk.
Just a little short ad breakhere.
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I want to get to a little Badgerbasketball here, because
Badgers, well, I can't say Iloved what I saw.
It wasn't great, it wasn'tgreat, but they won, right, they
won, that's what matters there.
75-69 was the final there, aroad win is a road win.
Right End of the day, big Tenbasketball, a road win is a road

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win.
The Badgers moved to 17 and 5,7 and 4 in conference play.
Their northwestern drops, 12and 10, 3 and 8 in conference
play, didn't help the old adagethat the badgers can't beat a
team with a winning record inthe big 10 because, well,
northwestern didn't have awinning record.
But end of the day, losing agame like this would be even
worse.
Here's our buddy.
Love to see him back in thecomment section there.

(29:26):
Oh, red Shed, red Shed, I waswaiting for you.
I was waiting for you allweekend.
I was like we talked aboutMcGee the other day for Klezman.
We talked about it and I knewthe Red Shed, if Klezman had a
decent enough, game was going tocome back for me.
You think McGee makes thatfull-court pass like Klesman did
?
Heck, nah, I agree, I do, I do.

(29:47):
Well, we haven't seen it right,we don't know, because McGee
didn't get that same opportunityto make that full-court pass.
No, I will say this Red Shadthere, I loved what I saw out of
Max Klesman in the second half.
First half not so much, I willtell you this.
Before the game I saw on socialmedia.
There on Twitter, I sawsomebody post something about

(30:07):
the Badgers and I said thisfeels like a game where Max
Klesman's going to have himselfa day and I said 15-plus.
Well, the first half didn't goso hot, right, didn't go so hot
for the Badgers in general.
Aaron, first half stats forWisconsin Badgers.
I will tell you this now it wasnot pretty.
It was not pretty at all andwithout John Tonje it was even

(30:27):
worse.
So they were eight for 28 fromthe floor in the first half,
aaron, eight for 28.
Without John Tonje they werethree.
They had made three shots inthe entire first half.
Without John Tonje he went fivefor 10 in that first half there
, four for seven from downtown.
John Tonje is the only reasonwhy the Badgers were in this
game.
At the half it was 31 to 25.

(30:48):
Outside of him, badgers wouldhave scored what Blackwell had,
five and McGee had two.
Oh, and we had Nolan Winterwith two.
So I guess without Tonje,Badgers would have had nine
points in total in the firsthalf.
So yeah, that's about how goodthis game started for the
Wisconsin Badgers.

(31:08):
They were shooting 28% at thehalf and they were shooting 27%
from downtown.
There.
A Blackwell had one, three, butagain Red Shed, your boy
Blackwell.
Again the struggles, thestruggles of John Blackwell in
this one again here Got intofoul trouble.
It's not, it's the stupid play,it's just the stupid play of

(31:29):
John Blackwell.
Right now he drives and itirritates the crap out of me,
Aaron, because he extends thatarm out.
Him and Tonje do the same darnthing.
They drive and they stick thatarm out and they get so pissed
off when they're looking back atthe ref and they're like, oh,
how was that a foul?
It's blatant rule.
You could not extend the arm.

(31:49):
And they make it so obvious.
They extend that arm out.
You can put a shoulder down.
You know you can put a shoulderdown into a guy.
You can give him a little nudgeright.
You can't extend the arm andevery single time I see black
will extend the arm.
I want to walk wherever he is.
I want to kick him upside thehead.
It just drives me nuts, justdrives me nuts.
So blackwell struggles there.

(32:09):
That first half again gets intosome foul trouble.
It's just blackwell, right now,early in games, is playing some
of the worst basketball we'veseen him play all year.
It's some of the worstbasketball.
This game here.
It was not his day, not his day.
Honestly, we can't get both.
I don't know why, but if itever happens we're going to win
the national championship.

(32:30):
John blackwell and john tonjecannot play good on the same day
.
That's just how it goes,because when blackwell, when did
blackwell just go for 30?
Was that against USC?
I'm pretty sure he went for 30against USC there.
Uh, yeah, yes, yes, 28, 28against USC and UCLA had 23.

(32:50):
So I guess they did both playwell against UCLA.
They did both have a decentenough game against UCLA there.
But I mean, it's just, it's not, it's very rare, it's very rare
they're out of those two tohave good days together.
I mean, it's just, it's not,it's very rare, it's very rare
they're out of those two to havegood days together.
I'm watching this team right now.
Aaron and they came out in thisgame.

(33:13):
They missed the first 14 of 16shots 14 of 16 shots in this
game.
That was a terrible start.
They were lucky that and thisis what it is this is point
blank truth.
They're lucky they were playingNorthwestern.
That's it.
They were lucky they wereplaying Northwestern.
If this was Michigan State,they were down 30 in the first
half.
If this was Illinois, they'redown 30 in the first half.

(33:33):
They were lucky thatNorthwestern was equally trying
to miss shots in this game.
From what I was watching, itwas just ugly basketball starts
and Barnheiser didn't play waswatching.
It was just ugly basketballstarts, one and barnheiser
didn't play.
Barnheiser was out fornorthwestern.
That's a 17 points a gamescorer right there.
So that's yeah.
That's one of those where youbless you there that's one of

(33:55):
those where barnheiser isn't outthere and kind of I mean that
didn't help northwestern outthere.
So Northwestern went throughtheir own kind of slump but the
Badgers just didn't come outwith the spark.
There was no energy.
Right, you come out on the road, you have to have some juice.
Right, you're playingNorthwestern, you're playing on
the road.
In the Big Ten Sometimes theshooting doesn't travel right.

(34:16):
We saw that, of course.
We saw that in the first halfShooting didn't travel.
But what can travel your energy?
When you start out a basketballgame, you can come with the
juice, the fire.
You can want it.
Wisconsin didn't want it comingout of the gates.
In this one, every 50 50 battlewent to northwestern.
All the 50 50 battles went tonorthwestern.
Here they were lazy getting outon shooters.
Again we talk about rotationsof guys.

(34:37):
Lazy the own shooters.
They're going under screens,not over screens.
They're getting lost in screens.
They're getting lost ballwatching the ball swinging
around.
They're not even in the areacode of it.
It was just again, just allaround.
A terrible start, and this is.
The badgers have kind of beenknown for this this season.
Are these bad starts, theseslow starts, the games where

(34:57):
they come out of the gates andit just.
I don't want to compare them tothe packers right now, but we
compared them to the packers theother day there and I'm going
to compare them back to mattlaflora and the packers.
Man oh man, they just they comeout of the gates slow, they
just do.
They come out of the gates slowand I want to get uh, we got

(35:18):
red shed here.
Tanji carried, uh, carried thegame.
Fun to see gilmore buildconfidence.
Clearly a seven-man rotation inmarch.
Amos janicki haven't done enoughto earn more of an opportunity,
I would agree.
I amos, I don't even know whatto think of him.
Sometimes he's like an aleemford for me.
I I never was a huge fan ofaleem ford because ford was
either hot or he wasn't.

(35:39):
If he wasn't hot, if he missedthe first two shots of the game,
he wasn't going to hit a shotall night, like that's just how
he was.
Amos gets out of control anddefensively, some games he's
there for me and some games Ijust lose Amos.
So I don't know with him.
At times I wish, because he'sathletic, like he can get after
you on the defensive end.
He just sometimes gets lostdown there in the offensive end.

(35:59):
He just jacks too much crap upthere.
And Janicki, I love Janicki,don't get me wrong.
I think he's going to be a starat some point.
I think they're going to beable to build him into what
potentially could be a star likethat, not a.
I don't think he's going to bea Blackwell or a Tonje, but I
think he could be a Klezman.
I think he could be like aKlezman or a Ben Bruster, a, a

(36:20):
Josh Gossard kind of guy, like aGossard, like a defensive guy
who can knock down a couple ofthrees.
He can get to the rim for you,but he's you know Cap America
more of a defensive guy there.
Yep, I would agree with.
This is exactly what I agreewith.
The red sheds said Amos and Fordreally talented basketball
players who haven't figured outguard system.
I would agree 100%.
That is exactly what I'm sayingwith lean forward there too.

(36:40):
It's just they never.
They had all the upside.
You could see the upside, youcould see the upside of what
this player could be.
They just it didn't seem likethey could get to that point.
And I really do hope that withenough work Amos could get to
that point.
I just think right now he's notthere and I think he's going to
be a piece where they're goingto rotate him in.
But what's the limit, right?

(37:01):
Is it five minutes?
Is it six minutes?
What's his limit in a game thathe can be on the floor there?
So I would agree 100% with youthere.
I thought you know I was talkingabout the rotations of defense
before.
Big Steve helped off Nicholsontoo much and that has a lot to
do with the guards getting beatbecause Steve would help off too
much, leaving Nicholsonson open, and he had a couple I mean
multiple dunks there early on inthis one.

(37:23):
So that was a big problem forme.
Is that?
Um, you did mention Gilmorethere before I.
I have my player of the game asCarter Gilmore.
I really do.
He had his career day for points, 15 points.
He went three for five fromdowntown, five for seven from
the floor in this one.
But those two threes that hehit there was about 11 minutes

(37:45):
left in the game and the Badgers, they were down big.
I thought they were down likeeight at that point in this ball
, eight or nine.
They were down eight or nine atthat point in the ballgame
there and Gilmore comes in hitsthe first one and I was like,
all right, all right, that's abig-time shot, that is a
big-time shot, that is abig-time shot, right?
And then he hit the second one.
Back-to-back, back-to-backpossessions, hit back-to-back

(38:07):
threes, a quick 6-0 scoring runby Carter Gilmore.
That swung the momentum in thisbasketball game Because up
until that point the Badgerswere knocking down shots.
A little bit better for theBadgers.
You can't think that it wasn'ta lot better than the first half
there.
But those back-to-back threesby Carter Gilmore, that was my

(38:30):
play of the game, that was mychanging of the game, whatever
you want to call it.
That completely flipped thescript 12-41 to go.
Gilmore knocked down his firstthree there, made it 46-41.
It was 46-38 before that.
So it was an eight-point gamewith about 13 minutes left and
it seemed like Northwestern wasjust keeping it.
They were keeping ahead, theyweren't blowing the Badgers out,

(38:51):
they were just keeping ahead.
And then Gilmore knocks downthat big-time three and then
knocks down another one on thefollowing possession there and
then he went after Klesman,knocked down a couple free
throws, had a big-time layupthere.
It says it was assisted by John.
Was that the one?
I'm trying to remember.
If that was the one on the runout there where John Tonje

(39:12):
missed the layup and thenGilmore cleaned it up.
I think that was the one rightthere, or was that?
Must have been later.
Must have been later, eitherway.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Either way, that must have been later must have been
later either way.
Either way, it did give him thelead.
If you can, I can't think back,but 48, 46 at that point yeah,
I mean it was a big time bucket.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
It was a big time bucket and you know, at that
point there gilmore was on.
It was, uh, him and klezmanwent on this little run by
themselves, the two free throwsby klezman there and then
outside of that they went onthat little run.
I think that was carter.
Gilmore is my player of thegame.
That was your momentum switcheron the road.
You need a guy if he's gonnacome off the bench, great, but
you need a guy to knock downsome big shots.

(39:50):
Right, those were two massivethrees in crunch time and I I
love seeing it.
Looked like his three.
He had three threes.
He looked athletic when he wasshooting them threes.
He looked like he.
He was a well-known like.
This guy has banged threes allhis life, like that's how he
looked to me when he wasknocking down the shots

(40:11):
Confident, cool, collected,caught it, chucked it up.
Like it looked pretty.
Like it looked pretty.
Watching him out there, I lovedwhat I was seeing out of Carter
Gilmore and just to hear thecrowd giving him the bed,
cheering, saying Carter Gilmore,that was awesome, because this
is a guy in Carter Gilmore and Isaw a bunch of people were

(40:37):
crapping on AJ Storr acrosssocial media.
I'm not one who likes to crapon AJ Storr, but I've been
seeing all these people crappingon AJ Storr and it's been
absolutely hilarious because hetook all this money to go to
Kansas instead of staying atWisconsin.
And if you look at the minutesper game on the season so far,
aj Storr currently is at 17.4.
Carter Gilmore at Wisconsin isat 16.7.
And the difference there, ajStorr makes a million dollars to

(40:58):
play basketball.
Carter Gilmore plays it for thebetter of it, right, and Carter
Gilmore actually has the samenumber of made threes on the
season as, uh, aj store.
That's awesome.
This guy gets paid millions todo it.
Carter Gilmore gets paid zero.

(41:20):
And he was a walk on, he was abuild it up from the bottom up.
He's been a five-year guy inMadison and I love it.
I absolutely love it.
This is a guy.
You don't get many guys likethis anymore.
You don't.
You don't get guys who justpurely bleed red and white.
You don't.
They love Wisconsin, they wantto be at Wisconsin.
They're not at Wisconsin justbecause of money.
They're at Wisconsin becausethey love the state of Wisconsin

(41:40):
.
They love playing for theBadgers.
You don't get guys like thatanymore.
Carter Gilmore is one of themguys, and for him to have a day
like this and have a moment likethat just made it that much
more special.
And just made it that much morespecial where he's flipping his
headband to a fan and like he'sjust all through the roof, like
I love that.
So Carter Gilmore to me that'smy player of the game, because

(42:02):
it was just great to see a guylike that, who's been up through
this system, get a day likethis where it's Carter Gilmore
day and I see too many memes ofthey're like that Spider-Man
where he's putting the glasseson, it's like fuzzy, and he sees
LeBron James and then he putsit on the rest of the way and
it's Carter Gilmore.
Like I've seen a bunch Likethat's awesome, like just to see
they call it a ghillie day andall the stuff like that, and I

(42:23):
want people to remember this asGilmore's day.
Like it's just awesome to seethat kind of stuff.
So Gilmore is my player of thegame.
If you had to ask me, um, thered shed said Gilmore and winter
doing wonders.
To crush guard Can't developplayers narrative.
That winter crossover was wild.
Yes, it was.
Yes, it was winter, aaron,aaron, I don't know if you were
watching it, but Winter crossedup he was like 6'7" this guy was

(42:45):
and crossed him up out thereand took it to the basket.
Like I love that.
I love that.
I love seeing me a 7-footer whocan put a guy on his backside,
so that's awesome.
Yeah, I mean Winter had a threein this game when, like I was
talking about with Gilmorebefore there, it was like an
athletic three.
Right, he caught it in stride,bam, knocked it down.
Like you love to see thosekinds of things where it's in

(43:08):
rhythm.
Right, we were talking aboutthat going into this game where
it was working around, workingthe ball around but working
inside out and that way allowingguys to step into shots.
That's what we saw with theGilmore shots.
That's what we saw with thatwinter big three there.
He had a couple threes in this.
One here was just impressiveall the way around moving of the
basketball there by the badgersin the second half.
So we got more to get to herewith the badgers.

(43:29):
I want to get to it.
We're going to come back.
Red shed, love to see you there.
If you got any other things ortopics you want to talk about
badgers.
Make sure you're shooting themin there.
Anybody else in the commentstonight?
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So we I mean badgers big winover northwestern on the road

(44:41):
there.
Um, I thought it was a good win.
I thought it was a good winwasn't great.
First half ugly right about asugly of basketball as I've seen
the badgers play all season long.
Second half there it was likewhat mary Maryland did to the
Badgers in Maryland is what theBadgers did to Northwestern.
In Northwestern the threesstarted to fall.
Everything started to lookbetter for this Wisconsin team
and they started to move thebasketball around.
The offense looked likesomething and it was just.

(45:03):
It was flowing a lot betterthan second half.
So I like to see that there.
I thought I would say you know,my one thing that I hated was
the double teams fromNorthwestern.
It's like Wisconsin wasn'tready for him, and I talk about
all the time where Crowell he'sgot to draw that double right,
because I want him to, I want tobe a passer coming out of there
, and Crowell and Winter, Ithought they weren't ready for

(45:24):
that double team at times.
At one point I saw Crowell getit and turn towards the baseline
through a double team.
Dude, there ain't nobody outthere.
That's the baseline, that's thecrowd like there ain't nobody
out there.
I don't know what you'returning for.
So that would be my one thing.
I guess I came away where itwas like I hate this right.
That that was my biggesttakeaway from that.
Um, outside of that I saw a lotof people saying guard didn't

(45:45):
have the badgers ready for thisgame.
I, you can only get a team somuch so so ready for a game.
You can only bring so muchjuice at some point to players.
This is a veteran led team.
There's like 10 juniors andseniors on this team.
You have to be able to.
You have to be able to adjust.
You have to be able to bringthe juice yourself at some point
in games there.
And I thought you know I doagree that you want to say the

(46:08):
adjustments how much time do youreally have to make an
adjustment?
But you know I heard a good one.
It was in the.
I think it was in LockdownBadgers.
I was listening to Ryan Herring,good friend of the show, and he
said he said it perfectly.
He's like when you go into atimeout, you only have so much
time that you can talk to guys,right, and if you're spending
those 30 seconds telling theguys, hey, those 30 seconds
telling the guys, hey, you gotto get the energy up and you're

(46:29):
jacking them up, you have notime to make adjustments.
So you have to be able to makethose adjustments in timeouts.
So it's on the players, it's onthe veterans to get this team
up and get them going throughouta game.
So I guess that's where I wantto blame it on guard for the
adjustments, because I thoughtthe Badgers didn't adjust to the
game well.
But I'm looking at the vets inthis one and saying they had to

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be better.
They had to be better aboutgetting their guys up for this
game too.
So it comes on the players.
It comes on greg guard a littlebit there.
Um, looking at what the red shedsaid, he said obviously this
team is outpacing expectations.
Is this season already asuccess for guard?
Future looks bright, withtalent on the roster.
He's proven he can plug holesprogram.
Feel good, yes, yes.

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You would say this pay this.
At this pace right now they'reblowing records out of the water
at this point here, thethree-point record, the total
points in games record.
I mean they're blowing recordsout of the water with this team
right now.
This team was picked to finish12th in the big 10 12th right
now.
I don't know what they're goingto be ranked as of tomorrow.
They did drop that game at uh,this uh game at Maryland.

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I think Maryland will probablyjump into the rankings there.
They won four in a row.
The Badgers won in one of theweek.
They might drop.
I don't know if they drop outof the top 25, but I think they
probably drop into the 20 rangethere for sure in the rankings
there.
So I mean at this point it's asuccess.
Mean you've won 17 games upuntil this point.

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The schedule doesn't getfavorable.
Like you, look at the schedule,the upcoming schedule for the
Badgers this next game out hereagainst Indiana on Tuesday.
That's not going to be an easyone.
You have that game at Iowa, butthen you have at Purdue,
illinois at home, oregon at home, washington at home, and then
you travel to Michigan State.
You have Minnesota.
Yeah, that's going to be atough game.
I hate saying that Minnesota isgoing to be a tough game, but

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that's still a tough team andyou're playing in the barn for
that one.
And then you have Penn State towrap it up.
And, aaron, I'm going to behonest with you.
I know you're a Penn State guy.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Penn State is not a bad team.
They got dog, I think it was.
Yeah, they kind of fallen outthough they're not good in
conference play, Like everybodywas hopeful.
I mean, I'm not going to saythey're bad, but they're not
great you know what I mean, yeah, it's a shame, but it is.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
you know, it is what it is right.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yeah, it is what it is.
Maybe one day there will be abasketball school.
It's going to take like $100million, just to be relevant, I
think.
But no, I mean all the things.
You, that second half, though,watching that back, bits and
pieces of that throughout.
I mean the way Tonja heated up.
Obviously we talk about thecollection of guys, right, and

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you know it's I don't know howyou look at it.
Is it?
Is it good they can flip theswitch and just boom, bang them
from three to to come back andlike yes, absolutely.
But do you think they're I'mnot going to say, are they like
one dimensional that way, but Iknow they favor shooting, like
you know we talked about it atyou know nauseam, they love to

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shoot from outside, outside,like, and that's kind of like,
well, if you don't have thatgoing, can you?
Can you pound the paint andstill be competitive against
good teams?

Speaker 1 (49:38):
that's, that's no, no , because not to be negative.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
I'm just saying like that's a way in which they get
points, you know that's no, Iagree.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Um, what I would say is you're gonna have games where
the three point is not fallingand you got to find other ways
that you can score thebasketball.
So you don't want to get away.
And that's why we say alwaysutilize the post, keep the post
involved in the basketball game,whether it's passing, whether
it's scoring.
You got to keep the post areainvolved a little bit.
It helps with cutters, it helpswith everything.
You got to keep cutting thelane.
You got to keep moving thebasketball.

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You got to keep moving it sideto side, getting cutting lanes,
getting driving lanes open.
I think where the Badgers runinto most of their problems is
the ball sticks to one side ofthe floor and when that ball
sticks to one side of the flooryou don't have that ability to
get guys open cutting whateverit is.
So I think that's where theBadgers kind of get themselves
into trouble.
I think you can survive withthe outside shot.
I think right now Tonjay needsto fill into the role where

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Tonjay is a closer Like.
He needs to know that he's thecloser right.
I love John Blackwell, butBlackwell is not my closer, john
Tonjay is my closer.
When I need a big time shot.
I'm going to that guy, I'mgoing to John Tonjay to get the
job done.
So I think with Tonjay, where Irun into a problem with him is
is he gets so hot to start agame but then all of a sudden he
goes away and you're like JohnTonje hasn't scored in 12

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minutes and then all of a suddenhe's coming back.
I want John Tonje to stayconsistent throughout a
basketball game where we can goto him, we can go away, we can
go to him, we can go away, andthen at the end of the game I
can say John, you've been hotfor this entire game, let's get
you going again.
Right?
I think that's where I'm atwith John Tonje at this point.
He's my closer.
I need him involved in the game, whatever it is.

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I don't want to hear the excuseof oh well, they made defensive
adjustments on us and they tookTonje away.
No, no, because if they madethe adjustment, you can make the
adjustment to get Tanjay open,to find ways to get Tanjay
involved.
I hate that when they say well,you know, we just couldn't get
him involved because you knowthey made these adjustments.
Well, make the adjustment, thenMake the adjustment coming out
of the half to switch things upand get your guys going, because

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they should not be able to takeaway guys just that easy right.
But that's where I think havingguys like and we talked about
the other day I know Redshed wasmentioning it there with Max
Glesman just being a defender,that's why I think you need guys
like Glesman where he still isa threat, because when he's a
threat you can't just focus on aguy like Tonje, you can't just
focus on a guy like Blackwell.
And that's why I'm sayingyou've got to have some kind of

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post presence, because if youdon't have a post presence, they
don't care about Steven Kraldown there, they don't care
about Nolan Winter, they're ableto just key in on John Tonje,
the Johns right, john Tonje andJohn Blackwell, and everybody
else is kind of irrelevant tothem out there.
That's why I think CarterGilmore is instrumental right
now coming off the bench, samewith Kamari McGee.
I know Kamari, he's got hismoments right.

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But both those guys they canscore the basketball and I think
that's what is a different kindof element for this Badger team
is they can score it in manydifferent ways and they got to
continue with that.
If they don't.
I think you get too complacent,right?
And the problem with theBadgers is when they get against
some of these teams like Oregon, like Michigan State, like a
Purdue and Illinois again is thebig guys.
The Badgers struggle with bigguys.

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They have to be able to adjustto big guys in games here,
because otherwise you could facesome craptastic team.
I was watching liberty theother day.
They're not craptastic, they'rea good team, but they're a
mid-major, right, they're amid-major team and you're gonna
get against a mid-major teamwith a big guy.
That could lead to problems,right?
Yeah, I'm played well againstbig guys all year.
That's gonna lead to problems.
So I definitely think that theyhave to find some kind of post

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presence and some kind ofdefensive scheme.
Guards got to work on some kindof defensive scheme where
either he's helping down withbig guys whatever it is right
crashing down, where maybe he'sdoubling the post I don't know
rotationally.
You watch nebraska do it allthe time and I'm watching him
tonight here.
They're playing oregon, they'reup by six right now.
But nebraska does it.
Where they have the baselineguy, he traps down and he'll

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help with the big guy, and thatit's different.
It's different than what a lotof other teams will do.
Where there's trap with random,they always trap with opposite
baseline, you know.
Then you have to skip pass toget it back.
So you have guys rotate down.
So we'll kind of see what thebadgers do to adjust to some of
these big guys.
They're going to have a v6 whenthey take on illinois.
There purdue has got the bigfella.
They always purdue always has abig fella there.
So you got to watch out forPurdue there, iowa there.

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But Indiana, who they gotcoming up next year, has got
Balo on the inside.
And if you remember Arizonafrom last year, there Balo can
be a nuisance on the inside.
There he's averaging 14.5points per game and 10 rebounds.
So that's a guy you got to keepin check there.
So the Badgers will be testedagain on the inside against
Indiana.
So I'm interested to see howGreg guard kind of schemes up

(54:17):
for that one.
But to continue on what the redshed said there uh, future looks
bright with this roster.
He's proven he can plug holesprogram.
Feel good, yes, yes, because Ilike what he does.
He.
He makes depth at each position, right, you think behind the
point guard spot you have KamariMcGee.
You think, behind your big guysyou have gilmore.
You have amos right now, behindlike a max klesman or a tanji,
you have janicki, and then youcan go a little bit deeper.

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You have ilvers.
Down there you're gonna havegreppy.
I think greppy is gonna be afantastic big guy.
He's got some size.
That dude's got some size tohim already, but he's just not
fully developed there, so we'rewaiting on him yet.
But I think he could be a goodbig guy on the inside there.
So I like what they have talentwise.
And then you got, you know, uh,king azur coming in from to peer
there in this next class.

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He's a fantastic shooter.
I was watching him the othernight.
He was in madison memorialplaying and he had a fantastic
night for them there.
So I love what he's been ableto do uh for to peer there.
I can't wait to get him on thecampus here and see what he's
got.
But the badgers have a decentenough recruiting class coming
in.
They can still add transfer.
So I'm interested there.
The thing with it is is, youknow, like a john tonjay greg

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guard finds guys who are goingto fit his system and he sees
john tonjay wasn't a great.
You didn't see the greatnessuntil he came into the system.
Before that, I mean, he had abanged up year the year before
but he wasn't as fine tuned.
And then he came in and GregGard saw that potential and just
let him just run with it, justrun with it there.
So I think a lot of it has todo is the way that Greg Gard

(55:41):
allows these guys to just bethemselves within the offense,
and that's huge.
That's a big difference fromwhat we saw in the past there
with Wisconsin.
Kirk Penny came in.
He kind of switched it up.
They're more running this, runand gun, european dribble drive
offense here, a lot of nailstuff and I like it.
I like what they got there.
But, like I said before, Ithink they have to avoid staying

(56:02):
too stagnant with it.
I think they have to avoidkeeping it on one side of the
floor.
They have to keep transitioningside to side across the court
there, because if you stay juststaying on the one side, you're
kind of limiting yourself.
You got to be able to movebasketball around.
So they stick to that.
This badge team is going to bejust fine.
I am excited about the futureof this team.
I think Greg guard has provenyear after year that there's a

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lot of people out there and hatethem and he goes through some
crappy games.
Right, but end of the day, ifhe has a good February, I think
he shuts up a lot of haters,because most of his teams do
collapse when it comes toFebruary.
If he has a good February andthis is what I want people to
understand In this month ofFebruary, right, you're going to
play Indiana, iowa, purdue, andthen you have Illinois, oregon

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and then Washington in the monthof February.
Right, if you go, if you winyour home games, you'd be four
and two.
Right, you beat Indiana, youbeat Illinois, you beat Oregon,
you beat Washington.
You're four and two.
You drop one of those games toa ranked opponent in Illinois or
Oregon on your home floor.
You go three and three in themonth of February.

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I don't see that as like weneed to three in the month of
February.
I don't see that as like weneed to blow up the town, like.
I don't see that as we need tofire Greg guard.
You're still 20 and eight at theend of that.
Right, if you go three andthree in the month of February,
you're still 20 and eight.
You picked up a couple of goodwins there.
You'd have that win overIndiana, you'd have that win
against Illinois and then,whoever there, you'd have that
win against Illinois, and thenwhoever there, you'd still be 20

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and eight.
You'd still be solid headinginto the month of March where
you take on Michigan state,minnesota and Penn state.
You'd be pretty darn.
I mean, you'd be what?
Fourth in the big 10 there.
What is the big 10 standings?
I think they're what?
Seven and four, seven and fourin the big 10.
So you'd be sitting at 10 andseven in big 10 play.
You're most definitely into thebig 10 tournament.
I know the like last threeteams or whatever in the big 10

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don't make the tournament.
So you'd be definitely squarelyin the big 10 tournament.
I feel like a three and threeFebruary.
Like I'm not saying like knockon wood, I want him to go six
and old in February, but like Idon't think at this point, as
long as Greg guard doesn't havea colossal blow up where you
drop all six games in the monthof February, I don't think that
you count like this season is byso much past success.

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This is, this is utterly likeamazing what Greg guard has been
able to do two years in a rowbeing picked to finish what 12th
in the big 10 and ends up nearthe top two years in a row.
That's ridiculous.
But now, now, what do we drawpast?
Success?
Right, because now you've gotto get to March and you got to
win a couple of games, becausethe the the talk of the town is

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right now.
The biggest thing that they haveagainst Greg guard is he has
not been able to take his teampast the second weekend with his
guys.
He took both guys right Br teampast the second weekend with
his guys.
He took Bo's guys right BronsonGaining, nigel Hayes he took
them to the sweet 16.
He hasn't taken his guys to thesweet 16.
So now that's the next step yougot to make.
This is a team where you shouldbe able to do something like
that.
We'll see what happens.

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So that's kind of.
That's kind of where we're atright now.
So I mean, yeah, I'm excitedabout the future of this team
right now, but now it's aboutGreg Gard taking his team to the
next level and proving that,hey, I'm a darn good coach who
can get my team deep into March.
That's what we got to seek itnow.
So definitely some great, greatquestion there.
Great question there from theRed Shed Aaron.
I mean we're at the end.
We're at the end of the showhere.
Anything else we got to wrap usup here for the day.

(59:24):
Anything else you're seeingacross the interwebs right now.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
There was something.
Let me see if I can.
Oh well, you know a little bit,I did watch.
I don't know if you know, youprobably do.
The nfl went completely to flagfootball for the pro bowl now,
which I mean yes basically whatyou know.
I guess this happened a coupleyears ago really.
But like, watching it, justlike bits and pieces, man, that
is like I, I don't know, I I'dbe hard-pressed to find watching
something more boring than that.
Um, that was just I don't know.

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And, like you know, even withthe pass right, like I saw him
coming out to burrow and theyjust like throw his flags off
his, off, his you know hismidsection there, and I'm just
like dude, what, like what arewe doing?
Like what?
I think I don't know.
I'm not saying that they needto go out there and, you know,
do jacked up like they used todo on espn, and people get their
you know heads taken off in themiddle of the field.

(01:00:16):
But man, like I, just what'sthe point?
Like I, I just don't I don'tthink that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
That's why I just I, I don't see the pro bowl as
being as prestigious as what itonce was.
Maybe it's, it's cool to get toselection, but after that,
being in the game itself is like, yeah, yeah, you made it, but
you're playing flag football.
So I mean yeah, yeah, I mean II did not get a chance to watch
any of it, so I couldn't reallyspeak on it from this year.

(01:00:44):
But from what I've seen in thepast, it's if you like
entertainment, I guess if youlike football not so much like
it's just completely differentto watch there.
So I mean, yeah, it was one ofthose kinds of things there.
But hey, we got to get.
We got Superbowl talk coming upthis week.
We got lots getting into aSuperbowl.
We're going to have the Badgerrecap.
They're going to play Indianaon Tuesday there.

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We're going to have the recapof that game coming up here on
Wednesday on the show.
We got lots to get into thisweek.
So make sure you guys aretuning into the show this week
here.
So with that, for Aaron andmyself this has been Wisconsin
Sports on the Go with Trage.
Thank you all for tuning in.
We'll catch you guys back hereon Wednesday, but until then see
ya.