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We break down why the Packers’ offense keeps tripping over the same mistakes while the defense carries its weight, then pivot to the brighter Wisconsin stories from Badgers football and hoops to WIAA playoff drama and Brewers recognition. Urgency, identity, and discipline tie it all together.

• Packers’ slow starts and scripted inefficiency
• LaFleur’s play design versus situational play calling
• Illegal formations, spacing issues, and route discipline
• Jordan Love’s pressure response and decision-making
• Offensive line instability and protection plans
• Defense standouts and in-drive adjustments
• Badgers football bounce-back and hoops progress
• WIAA playoff surprises and powerhouse programs
• Brewers’ awards, development pipeline, and leadership

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SPEAKER_00 (00:04):
This is Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trade.
Your place for all thingsWisconsin Sports.
Now, your host, Trage.

SPEAKER_03 (00:18):
How are we doing, everybody?
And welcome into WisconsinSports on the Go with Trade.
I'm your host, Trade, as we comeback here on this Wednesday,
November 12th, the November 12thedition of the show here.
I hope you guys are enjoyingyour Wednesday so far.
I hope you guys enjoyed yourweekend.
It was a fantastic weekend formyself.

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Spent it there with the family.
Watched some wow.
Some good.
I mean, some good games.
Some and then, well, Mondaynight came around.
We're going to talk about that.
But I mean, some good games intotal there over the weekend.
The Badgers finally got a win.
We are talking about that today.
Christian might stop by.
He's uncertain.
He's got a lot going on.
So we'll see.
Maybe Christian will stop byhere later on.

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Talk a little Badgers, talk alittle Badger hoops, talk a
little Badger football.
We're going to get into thatbecause that was the coming off
the weekend there.
Wow.
They got to win.
Was not expecting the Badgers,the football team, to make my
weekend.
But there you go.
They got to win againstWashington.
So we're going to talk aboutthat game today because we
finally have something good totalk about.

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So we're going to get into that.
Like I said, some badger hoops.
We're going to talk some men'shoops and women's.
The women's team has looked.
They've looked good.
They've looked a lot better.
I mean, from what we've seen inyears past to now, has looked a
lot better.
So I want to talk about that alittle bit today here on the
show.
We're going to get into that.

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We have the WIA football.
I was watching uh a littlefootball over the week or on
Friday there on Zeleski and somegood games across the board.
And now we got some good gamescoming up here with a chance to
go to state.
We see in the level four of theplayoffs here a surprise in D3,
Whitefish Bay, the eight-seed.
That's impressive.
You don't see many eight-seedswork their way to level four.

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We see the eight-seed going upagainst a four-seed in
Reedsburg.
So a couple of high-digit, uh,high-digit uh seeds there going
at it.
So that's cool to see there inuh division three.
In D5, we're gonna see Stratfordtaking on Northwestern with a
chance to go to state, should bea good game there.
And then also in division six,we see Edgar taking on Mondovi.

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Edgar got the big win, not thebig win, but eight to seven win
over Bonduel.
And now we're gonna see him takeon Mondovi with a chance to go
to state there.
So some good games, some goodgames.
That Edgar game was if you likedefense, wow, that's a good
game.
Edgar's got a very good defense.
Can't wait to watch that and seeif they can get down to state
again, see if Trafford can makeit state again.
That's gonna be two exciting andgreat programs that just

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continuously get there everysingle year, it seems like.
And I I played Edgar a coupletimes, and I I've they that's a
darn good team.
That's a well-coached team.
Been well coached for I can'teven how many years now.
Um, they've but they've justbeen fantastic.
So some great stuff there comingout of the WIA football
playoffs, uh, the volleyballplayoffs in full swing right

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now, too.
So some good stuff happeningthere.
Pat Murphy, we got that excitingnews yesterday.
Pat Murphy, back-to-back managerof the year awards.
That that's just awesome.
That's just awesome.
I mean, well deserved.
I said it right when theyannounced the finalist.
I said this should not even takelong.
This shouldn't be a contest,shouldn't it really be a contest

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at all?
It's Pat Murphy.
At this point, what he's done alot, a lot with a little, having
the best record in baseball,getting the overall number one
seed, even though it didn't endthe way that you would wish it
would have.
Still a fantastic season all theway around.
And Pat Murphy, again,continuously proves what he can

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do as a manager to get his guysready and what a manager can do.
I mean, a manager, some peopledon't realize that it isn't just
always about the talent on thefield.
Yes, being able to spend all themoney in the world and having a
lot of talent.
That definitely, I mean, that'sgonna help.
But having a manager to put itall together and to rally the

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troops, keep the morale,whatever, when you're in a
losing streak, different thingslike that, especially when guys
aren't hitting the ball, right?
I mean, we see even guys likeDave Roberts with Mookie Betts
and guys like that who arestruggling when it comes to
postseason stuff like that.
I mean, you gotta have a managerwho can help.
I mean, just help the players inthe everyday life that they go
through.
So, I mean, Matt Pat Murphy,fantastic, been fantastic.

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So love to see him getting thatback-to-back manager of the year
award there.
Rookie of the year, we saw thatuh award go out there.
Caleb Durbin came in in third,and then we saw Isaac Collins
come in fourth.
I believe uh Chad Patrick waslike seventh on that list, and
then Mizarowski ended up like11th.
If Chad Patrick wouldn't havebeen replaced because you know
everybody came back, maybe wewould have seen Chad Patrick

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climb up that list a little bit.
So, but still pretty cool to seea lot of Brewers ending up on
those lists there.
Last but not least.
Oh, before we well, yeah, let'sjust let's just get to it.
Let's just get to it.
The Packers.
Let's just start there.
I mean, we're gonna have Almer'sgonna stop by next, right?
Right off the bat here.

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I mean, we're gonna talk alittle Packers here, and then
Almer's gonna stop by after thecommercial break, and we'll
continue this talk about thePackers.
But man, oh man, that was thatwas ugly.
That that was ugly.
Offensively, that was about asbad as you could have hoped it.
Not even hoped.
That was about as bad as itcould have been.

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Ah, maybe worse.
Maybe worse.
I don't know.
What do you guys think?
715-990-4914.
That is 715-990-4914.
What do you guys think were yourthoughts coming off that uh off
that Packer game?
I I honestly watching that game,I have I usually sit there, I

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take notes.
I mean, I got pages on top ofpages of notes right now from
this game, and none of them seemto be really good at all, to be
honest.
But there's a couple.
There's a couple of plays that Isaw that I liked, uh, or plays
from guys mostly on the defensein this game.
I had to get up and walk awayfrom the TV for a little while

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and just walk back.
I I I like I got up, I walkedout of the room, and I came back
and I sat back down.
And I know it's like you'rewatching on TV, you're not
there, whatever.
I don't care.
It just I had to walk away fromwhat I was watching.
Because you honestly couldn'tbelieve it at times.
How poorly ran it it's it's acombo of things, okay?

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I'm not gonna sit here.
I know a lot of people today,yesterday, for the remainder of
this week until they win fivegames in a row, are going to say
that Matt LaFleur should befired.
I mean, that's that's theconsensus right now.
There's a majority of people outthere who just say Matt LaFleur
is not a good play caller.

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He needs to go, you know, yadayada yada down the laundry list.
I'm not gonna say that I don'thave a problem with Matt
LaFleur's play calling becausecoming off of that game, I have
a huge problem with what I sawin Matt LaFleur's play calling.
I've had a problem.
I mean, there's been there'sbeen, I mean, we've talked about
it.
We've talked about too muchshotgun, we've talked about lack
of play action, we've talkedabout, you know, lack of usage

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of the run game or over usage ofthe run game at times.
We've talked about, I mean,everything in between.
It seems like every single weekthere has not been a week where
we came off of it and said, wow,Matt LaFleur's team looked, and
this is the problem, this is thebiggest problem.
We have not had a week where wesaid, wow, Matt LaFleur's team
came into a game, lit it up,looked like they were the better

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team for four quarters.
We have not had a game likethat.
The Packers have not, we havenot seen a game where the
Packers went in and we came outof it saying, wow, for four
quarters, the Green Bay Packerswere the better team on that
night.
I haven't, I I we can lookthrough this the list here.

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We we we can look through it.
For four quarters, I don't knowif we've seen a we have not seen
a complete game out of thisGreen Bay Packer team in a very
long time.
They they come into games, theylook slow.
It's been since Dallas that theyhad a touchdown in on the
opening drive, I believe.
That was in Dallas that they hadthe last one there.
Otherwise, slow out of thegates, constantly slow out of

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the gates.
Even in Dallas there, theystarted out hot out of the
gates, and then all of a sudden,Dallas was able to hop on them
there.
In Pittsburgh, what a greatsecond half that it was.
A lot of it on the back ofTucker Kraft.
He was fantastic in that game,especially in yards after the
catch in that game for thePackers.
Packers in that one, fourthquarter is where they really
took off.

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Outside of that, I mean, itwasn't huge.
So we could go through the thelist of games here and say that
there has been moments wherethis team has looked good, but
how many games can we say thatthe Packers came into it?
They look prepared, they didn'tit.
It's like, how do the Packerscome into games and you're

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supposed to have the first howmany plays scripted?
Right?
And those scripted plays aren'tworking, so you're coming in
this game zero, you're notprepared at all.
And then you see Matt LaFleurover on the sideline, and he's
got the Microsoft Edge littlelap, he's got the little tablet
out there, and he's sittingalone and he's studying.
And I truthfully believe MattLaFleur knows what he's looking

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at, he knows 100% what he'slooking at.
I don't know what he's doing.
I could be honest with you, withhis play calling, anything like
that.
I don't know what he's doing.
He's Matt LaFleur is a verysmart guy.
A very smart guy.
His play calling, everythinglike that.
Matt LaFleur can draw up a play.
I know that he can.
I've seen it, we've watched it.

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We've seen the masterful playcalling that is from Matt
LaFleur, but we've also seen theterrible.
And right now, the problem isthat we're seeing more of the
inconsistency than we are theother way around.
But this game, this last game,is not all on Matt LaFleur.

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I know we're gonna want to sithere and we're gonna want to
blame the main guy becausethat's the easiest thing, right?
It's the easiest thing to do isto blame Matt LaFleur.
Throw it all on him, fire him,right?
That's the easiest thing to do.
It's not.
It's not.
There's a lot, there's a lotmore that went into the offense,
it's not just Matt LaFleur.
There are so many things goingwrong within the offense.

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It's it's baffling, honestly.
To be this far into the season,and this is what we're seeing.
The offensive line is terrible.
Now Elton Jenkins is on the IR.
That's not any better.
But the offensive line isterrible right now.
The Aaron Banks uh ad in theoffseason looks terrible.

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So the offensive line across theboard, not playing well.
Then you lose your tight end.
I'm not gonna say that LukeMusgrave isn't a solid tight
end.
He's solid tight end.
But there was a catch he had, itwas like a third, it wasn't a
third down there.
It's like a third and ten.
And they dropped it off toMusgrave, and he I think it was

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on that play that they ended updoing this.
We're not even gonna get mestarted on the fourth and one
call yet.
I'm gonna wait for Ummer to gethere.
But I think it was uh rightbefore that, and Musgrave
couldn't get there.
Now, I think Tucker Kraft does,and that's where I think the
difference comes between thosetwo guys.
So you lose your tight end inTucker Kraft, you lose some
weapons there in the widereceiver room along the way, but

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the wide receiver room, theroute running looks like crap
right now.
I mean, they there is nothing,honestly, that I came out of
that Eagles game with theoffense that I came out of that
game and said, Wow, that lookedgood.
Spurts moments.
Actually, one of the best playsin the night was called back for
an illegal formation.
Two illegal formations on thenight.

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That's the undisciplined play.
They're unprepared, they'reundisciplined, the offensive
line is bad, the play calling,the decision making is horrible,
terrible route running.
Jordan Love makes terribledecisions.
That's another one.
You want to talk about worrisomeright now.
I'm worried that Jordan Love, Ithink he's got a boatload of

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talent.
I really like him, but he'sinconsistent.
And if you can't find consistentplay, because here's the issue
if you if Jordan Love can't playlike a star, and he can't be a
guy.
I don't know, I don't know ifJordan Love's a guy who can
elevate all 11 guys or all 10other guys if they aren't

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playing well.
Everybody has to play well forJordan Love to be able to
elevate them.
They all have to be playingwell.
I don't think I from what I'veseen so far, from what I've
watched, we've seen moments ofbrilliance, but we've seen the
the terrible decisions.
And the terrible decisions justseem to be outweighing

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everything else.
I mean, that fumble, that fumbleis terrible.
That was terrible.
You're talking about a guy, Imean, I like I said, I I love I
I I love Jordan Love.
I do, I do, but there is a lotwrong within this offense, and

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you cannot just blame it on MattLaFleur.
There is you cannot just put iton him.
Love's gotta be better.
The offensive line, I don't knowwhat they're gonna do, but that
definitely has to be better.
The wide receiver room rightnow, I don't know if it's be you
we can't say because TuckerKraft is out that everything
just goes or just all goeshaywire and all at once.

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You gotta be able to find ananswer.
And that that I will agree comesback to Matt LaFleur.
That comes back to Matt LaFleurto find that answer.
The question is now, will hefind it?
And in that Eagles game, itwasn't there.
There was nothing pretty, thatwas ugly, that was an ugly
offensive performance, and yourdefense for two weeks now has

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given you your Super Bowlcaliber defense has given you
nothing but great performances.
And this is what you give themoffensively 20 points, 20
against the Panthers and Eagles.
That's yeah, yeah.
That's where we're at.

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That's where we're at on thisWednesday.
That is where we're at.
It is ugly.
We're gonna talk about it.
Umer's gonna be here next.
We're gonna hit a commercialbreak.
We're gonna come back.
Umer's gonna stop by, we'regonna continue this Packer talk
because there, I have sevenpages of notes here, and maybe
one page has got good stuff onit.
Everything else is some badstuff that we got to talk about,

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we got to discuss, we have towork through because a lot of
people are upset with thedirection of this team, and I
don't blame you whatsoever.
I don't blame you at all.
You should be upset becausethis, what we've watched for the
past couple weeks, even before,it's inconsistent and it's not
getting better.
And that's where we're at onthis Wednesday.

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So if you want to hit up theshow, make sure you're doing it.
715-990-4914.
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I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Packers, badgers, brewers,anything you want to talk about,
hit me up.
But if you want to talk somePackers, hit us up there on that
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Now I'm relaxed.
We're back.
And this next segment here,we're gonna talk about Packers.
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Like I said, we're gonnacontinue with the Packer talk
here because this is justsomething that we just need to
we just need to get it out ofthe way to start the show.
Because the pack the badgerswon.
So, like, that's some good.
And I just want to get to thegood later.
Let's talk, Packers.
Umr's here.
Ummer, how are we doing?
Wednesday.
Enough of let's not talk aboutthe Packers.
How are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 (17:16):
I'm tired, man.
I think I'm just tired.
I think it's been a crazy fewmonths.
I think uh, all in all, it'sbeen a crazy, crazy year to say
the least.
And yeah, middle of the week.
Um, got my birthday coming uptomorrow, so I'm looking forward
to that.
And uh, yeah, man.
Other than that, though, I'mjust uh still recovering from

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Monday night.
How are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 (17:40):
Well, first off, happy pre-birth.
It's not like belated becausethat's after, so like happy
pre-birthday.
Like, yes, happy pre-birthdayfrom everybody here on the show.
There you go.
There you go.
Doing good.
We're doing good over here.
Like it.
I mean, I just I had my momentthere in the intro.
I was just a little ticked off.
I mean, I'm still ticked offafter watching that game coming

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off the weekend because I mean,let's just let's just dive right
into that Packer game because itwas it was a game where we
watched what happened the weekprior with the Panthers, and it
was a trap game we felt.
We didn't think they could betrapped twice.
They had the Brown trap gamealready.
We didn't think it could happenagain.

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It happened again against thePanthers.
And we said, well, there's noway, there is no way that you
could come out flat against theuh the defending Super Bowl
champion, Philadelphia Eagles,in Lambeau, a team that you knew
was gonna be gunning for you.
You were trying to ban the Tushpush, all that kind of jazz, all

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that talk, all this going intoit, the Philly fans, blah, blah,
blah, whatever.
We didn't think they could comeinto a flat.
And once again, once again, MattLaFleur, he baffled me again.
He did.
Umer, I get let's just startthere.
How, how, how can a guy, how cana guy who we believe, I mean, I

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believe he's a good play caller.
I believe he, I shouldn't saythat.
I shouldn't say that.
I believe he's a good playdesigner.
I believe he's a good playdesigner.
I don't believe he's a good playcaller at times.
How does a guy who we want toput all of our faith into and
seems like he's the guy attimes, how does he come into
another game ill-prepared withan undisciplined team who just

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they come out flat, they don'tlook right.
Your star quarterback in a lotof eyes right now in quotations
because a lot of people areworried about him right now.
Your quarterback looks like he'slost out there at times.
Your offensive line is terrible.
I don't know.
You know what?
I'm gonna be honest with you,Josh Myers leaving might have
been the worst thing in theworld.
Might have been at this point.

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I mean, I'm gonna coming offthat game.
How do you come into anothergame like this?

SPEAKER_02 (19:56):
I think we kept having these hopes where like,
oh man, like LaFleur's gonnahave this team ready.
They're gonna, you know, theycan't beat underdogs, but if
they are if they're underdogs,then they you know play at a
whole narrow level.
Because last, you know, lastthose two games against
Cleveland and Carolina, they'rea heavy favorite.
I I really can't tell you.

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I really don't know what thefleur is doing right now.
I feel like he's coming intothis game, he has a game plan.
He has you know how they say youscript the first 25 plays?
I feel like he scripted thefirst 60 plays, and he just goes
literally down that script.
And it's like his tendencies.
Ben Solak did like a greatbreakdown where his tendencies

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are now showing up on everysingle game.
And the innovation, the thecreativity, the the ability to
play off other plays and otherformations, none of that is
there.
Maybe it is, and we're justseeing poor execution by a very
young team and undisciplinedteam.
But it's one of those thingswhere that's what your coach
staff gets paid to do, to nailin these facts.

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I'm like, the things that we'reseeing now, like it just reminds
you of a team playing in apreseason where they just don't
know what's going on and they'retrying to figure things out.
And we're at a point where we'reat a week 11 and we're still
dealing with the same thingswe're dealing with, not just
this year, but last year.
I mean, it's pretty bad thatthat fourth and one call inside
zone was a call that they'vedone multiple times in the games

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this year.
And I think you and me havetalked about it where it seems
like instead of him going intohis bag and like getting
different plays, he's likerepeating stuff.
And I just don't know it'sbecause he has no confidence in
Jordan, which I doubt that is,but it feels like it.
No confidence is offensive linebecause they can't Aaron Banks
is just terrible.
Or the receivers have, I thinkif you notice, some of the

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receivers are like I've watchedJordan having to tell people no,
go here, go here, go there, gohere, right?
And again, as a quarterback, youshouldn't have to be not only
worrying about your job, butalso worrying about what the
where the receivers are lined upand telling them where to go,
right?
It just seems like there's it'sso disjointed, and it just feels
like we're like in preseasonstill, and here we are in

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mid-November.
And I don't know, man.
I'm with you.
I know for a long time I wasdefending the floor, I'm slowly
turning on him, and I hate that.
Uh, but it it's tough.
It was that was a rough game.
Like, I know Eagles didn't lookthat great either, but they have
looked, they haven't lookedgreat all year, but they still
they're now you know six andtwo.
Yep, and it's like yeah, likewe're third in the division,

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we're the seventh seed, none ofthat matters right now, matters
where we end up, but I'm tellingyou, it just it just looks
really bad.
And I I don't know if there'sany answers that we can come up
with.
I was kind of hoping the floorwould talk tonight, and you
know, I guess he's gonna talktomorrow, but yeah, I just I'm
I'll tell you, I'm over it to acertain degree.

SPEAKER_03 (22:46):
Yeah, no, I right like you just mentioned it,
third in the div, they're thirdright now, and they're
deservedly third.
Like right now, if you put thePackers on the field with the
Bears, I I don't think they beatthe Bears.
I like and that's gonna saybecause Caleb Williams is and
Ben Johnson have figured it out,and that's okay, that's my
biggest worry right now.
Matt LaFleur and Jordan Lovehave had six years to figure it

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out, and it still seems likethere's this distance, like
there's like this confusionbetween the two of them, what
they want, what the other one'sdoing.
It just feels like there's thisconfusion.
Ben Johnson and Caleb Williamsfigured it out in what nine
weeks?
Like, where are we at right now?
Like, that's my worry.
And Matt LaFleur, you mentionedit great there with the
consistent play calling, right?

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The fourth and one.
We've seen it many times thisyear.
You said it, the inside zone.
They've ran it a lot.
And I was just thinking tomyself, okay, well, the second
downs.
We look at the second downs,they kept trying to run it with
Josh Jacobs on second down.
And how many times did we seethe Eagles stuff it and then it
set up a third and long?
And then the Packers wereconstantly playing from deep

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behind the sticks.
You want to know what the Eaglesmake it so they I I absolutely
despise the tush push, and Idon't even want to talk about it
because it's just gonna give theEagle fans and everything what
they want out of a show, is tohave people talking about that
thing.
So I'm not even gonna talk aboutit.
I don't even care.
But what the Eagles do is theyset themselves up with those
short yardage situations, theyget themselves into that third

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and short where they can utilizethen two plays to try and get a
first down.
Whereas the Packers, we saw itthere.
It's I mean, at one point, theywere having an average of 12
yards at one point on thirddowns, 12 yards.
And they were, I mean, I I don'thave the stats up in front of me
here, but third downconversions, they came into the
game as the best, one of thebest, if not the best, in the

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NFL on third down conversions,like 49%.
And at one point they were like,oh, for the century.
Yeah, and that's where you it'sgetting third and manageables,
and that's where Matt LaFleur isnot even getting them to that
point.
So now Jordan loves trying topush the sticks, right?
And there was one he had to LukeMusgrave, and I think, like I
said before, if Tucker Kraft wasout there, I think he busts it

(24:56):
and he gets it.
But Luke Musgrave was short, hejust doesn't have that
sustainability that Kraft doesto get it.
Yeah, but you're also trying torely on your guys to have to go
and get it for you becauseyou're setting yourself up in
terrible situations, becauseyou're playing conservative,
because you're playing scared,because you're playing in this
certain way, and that's the waythat you're coaching this team.

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And you want to know what thebest part about Dan Campbell is,
and I'm gonna praise DanCampbell for a second.
You want to know what the bestpart about him is.
His players are an encapsulationof him.
They they are him.
They're they're feisty, they getafter you, they're tough, they
go after, they do all thosethings, and they're just
hard-nosed football players.

(25:40):
You want to know why this team'sundisciplined, you want to know
why they're unprepared, you wantto know why all these things
continuously go wrong.
Sometimes you don't gotta lookvery far.
Sometimes you don't.
It needs to start with MattLaFleur, he needs to get his
guys ready.
I don't believe he's a terriblecoach.
I don't.

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I don't, I don't hate MattLaFleur, but the way that he's
coaching this team right now,the conservative stuff, the I
mean, he's just he's like asometimes a whiner.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
He's a whiner at times.
And I hate to say that because Iwant to like the guy.
But when I watch him on thesideline and all I see is the
oh, hands on ahead, sticking hishead down.

(26:22):
He's upset.
Oh, it didn't work.
Oh no, I got Bo Melton out thereplaying wide receiver again for
some reason.
I'm trying to run a pitch playto my backup running back out of
shotgun and seeing if thatworks.
You want to know why it's notworking, Matt?
Because you're playing with morestuff behind the line of
scrimmage than anything else.

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Two illegal formation calls.
Two.
One of them would have been athe best play of the night was
called back for an illegalformation call that would have
set you up with a great chanceto score.
And it got called all the wayback because your team once
again came in on discipline,because I believe it starts

(27:03):
right there.
It starts with him, and that'smy worry.
And I know that I want somebodyto talk me out.
So, Ummer, I mean, is that anoverreaction to say that Matt
LaFleur and the way that hecoaches this team is actually
showing up in the way hisplayers are playing on the
field.
The way that he's coaching is anexact replica.

(27:23):
Like it's just like together.
Like it just seems like to me,that's what I'm seeing is the
way he's coaching is the waythey're playing.

SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
I think if anything, you'reseeing how tightly wound he is
right now.
He is now literally coaching forhis job.
I think the fact that policydidn't extend him and that
they're they have that in theback of their head is probably
there.
You you know, the team is areflection of their coach,
right?
And you see like Campbell, yousee Nick Seriani, you see like

(27:51):
even like Dan Canales, you seethe players having fun.
If they're up, they're down,they're still having fun.
Our guys aren't having any fun.
I ain't seeing no seeing nothingon the sidelines.
I see a little bit on the field.
It just seems like it's allperformative, if anything.
And the truth is, is yeah,they're all completely
undisciplined because themistakes is what killing them.

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And I think when you see him getpissed off at players from
making those mistakes, itdoesn't help because it's like,
okay, well, you're jumping onhim, but then what do you do as
a play caller?
Are you putting these guys inthe best position to be
successful?
You're not.
And on top of that, too, you'reyou're staying to your script.
Like you you run almost at apretty high clip on first down,
but you it is proven now thisyear that he runs no matter what

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it is on second down everysingle time.
Doesn't matter if it's secondand short, second and long,
doesn't matter, it's always arun.
And your team is not a good runblocking team.
These guys cannot run block tosave their lives.
And you're scared to give, Idon't know if you're scared to
give Jordan the ball and justlet him run with it, but it
comes down to a point where it'slike, okay, you have, like you

(28:56):
said, Bo Melton out there, whois a who is a cornerback now,
who has been practicing now withthe offense, who hasn't played
any defensive snaps.
You're you're going to him incritical downs, and he's
dropping the ball.
Last year or two years ago, thatguy was catching everything.
Now I guess he's doing two ones,so he can't.
And the fact that we he's alwayscomplained about you guys always

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want to talk, talk abouttargets, talk about targets.
How does Christian Watson havefour targets?
How does how does it musgravelike have like what two targets?
Like, what do we?
I just it just he's playing.
I don't know why he's being soconservative, but does I
understand the offensive line isnot great, but you as an
offensive coordinator slash headcoach as play caller, you should

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be the one to find ways to movethe pocket.
Do boot.
I mean, when I watch SeanMcVeigh and the Rams play, and I
just see them like spam playsover and over and over again.
I'm like, they they run bootlegalmost every other play.
Play action, bootleg, playaction, bootleg.
You tell me Jordan can't dothat?
Stafford's out there with a badback, freaking.
In his mid 30s, trying to holdon, and Jordan's pretty spry,

(30:04):
he's healthy.
I don't know.
I'm telling you, there's not atrue answer, but it's getting to
the point now where we areliterally in the definition of
insanity every single week doingthe same thing, expecting a
different result.
And I am actually terrifiedabout I know the Giants suck,
they got so much dysfunction,their team is all over the
place.
I'm terrified to see that what'sgonna happen.

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We went to the Giants last yearwhen their team was all garbage
and they beat us.
I I don't I had their offense,their defensive line is
disgusting.
They have talent up and down theline, and their backups are good
too.
So yeah, I'm telling you rightnow, like people have said that
if he keeps continuing this way,he may get fired by the end of
the year.
And that's sad because he is agood coach, but I agree with

(30:44):
you.
Year seven, he's still makingsome kind of like very, very
like first-year coach mistakes.
I don't know, man.
It's not looking promising rightnow.

SPEAKER_03 (30:54):
He worries me because it seems like he's
coaching like a guy who feelslike he's not gonna lose his
job.
That's how I feel he coaches.
He feels like weird, right?
He coaches like a guy who's notworried, right?
Because when you're like like aBrian Dable, I was when he he
got fired, but he was coachinglike a guy, he was letting
Jackson Dart run with it.
He knew what he had to do to tryto get it.

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He was gonna let it all go ballsto the walls to see what
happens.
Well, Matt LaFleur is playingconservative, like he doesn't
want to be, he doesn't want tobe in the spotlight of why it
went wrong, yet he's puttinghimself in the spotlight by not
letting it just run with it.

SPEAKER_02 (31:29):
And it's still going wrong.

SPEAKER_03 (31:30):
And it's still going wrong.
That's my I guess biggest worry.
That's my my biggest problemwith him.
It's like it seems like he'scoaching like a guy who doesn't
feel like he's gonna be fired,yet he might be on the hottest
of seats of any of the coachesthat you don't expect.
So, I mean, yeah, and youmentioned the schedule.
That was the easy part of theschedule that they just went
through.
Yeah, I mean, this part comingup here, the Giants, after the

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Giants, you have Vikings twice,you have the Ravens, you have
the Bears twice, you have theBroncos who are stingy, and you
have the Lions at Ford Field.
And I'm gonna guess Dan Campbellisn't too happy that you
embarrassed him to start theseason and starting this season
off on a bad note.
So I'm gonna take a shot in thedark and tell you that this
stretch of games that you gotcoming up here, if you don't

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start it out right with theGiants, yeah, it's gonna go bad
fast.
And it could go really bad,really fast.
So, I mean, yeah, this rightnow, it it's just like you said,
with the play calling, why notswitch things up?
Why not try like more up tempo?
Late in the game there, they ranup tempo, they were keeping it.
Yeah, but they were successful,they were no huddle, they were

(32:32):
urgent.
That's another thing that I wasgonna say.
This team, and that's where Iwork like with Matt LaFleur, and
like what I'm saying, this teamis like a like an exact copy of
him.
There's no urgency, and it justseems like there isn't an
urgency with Matt LaFleur attimes.
He seems so relaxed, like, oh,we got this, we'll be fine,
right?
We can just play conservativefootball all game and we'll just
make it work at the end.
That that's not how it works inthe National Football League.

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That's not how look at whatSiriani made the dumbest play
that he's ever done in thefourth and six when he chucked
it down the field to AJ Brown,Jalen Hurts chucked it down the
field, it was incomplete.
Packers ended up getting theball, that was in the fourth
there late.
I mean, it was the dumbest thingin the world.
Yeah, but at the same time, whynot?
Why not?
I mean, whatever.

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If he kicks a field goal and hemakes the six, okay, right?
If he gets it, if he gets downthere, kicks a field goal, makes
a six, whatever.
But he just he went for it.
And sometimes that's what youwant out of a coach.
You just go for it.
It ended up working.
If it ended up screwing up,Sirianni would look like the
worst thing that's ever happenedtoday, but it ended up being
fine.
But that's a coach who justsaid, All right, let's do it,

(33:36):
let's see what we can do.
I trust my guys, go and get it.
They didn't get it, but anyways,it's just that kind of stuff,
the urgency to just say, I don'twant Matt LaFleur and uh because
he, I mean, Sirianni respectsMatt LaFleur and he respects
Jordan Love.
He says, I don't want to givehim the ball back, so I want to
keep it in my hands.
I want to just end this thingright now.

SPEAKER_01 (33:54):
And it was a good throw.
It was actually a good throw.
Like Adrian just didn't see it,like, yeah, like it hit him in
the hands.

SPEAKER_03 (34:01):
Yeah, Balance made a fantastic play.
I mean, it was a fantastic play.
It was unlike when ChristianWatson played defense and should
have been playing offense andjust caught the ball down the
field.
I mean, they didn't say thecaught him.
He didn't say he should havecaught him.
Oh, yeah, that was hilarious.
But he uh he reposted it onTwitter and he's like somebody
said, like, should ChristianWatson have caught it?

SPEAKER_02 (34:20):
And he's like, Yeah, yes, he's like, Yeah, and he he
he saw the ball coming, hethought if he just put his hands
out, it'll come into his hands.
I was like, Christian, what areyou doing, bro?
That's man.
That was he did play defense,I'll take it.

SPEAKER_03 (34:34):
But oh my god, it was at least he played defense,
but it's like, dude, remember,you're on offense.
Like, if you want to go meltingand play corner, but you're kind
of getting hurt a lot, so Idon't want you to play defense
either.
So, anyways, when we come backfrom the break, when we come
back from the break, we're gonnahit a commercial break, we're
gonna come back.
We're gonna talk about thelittle bit of good we saw, and
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So I'm gonna went to the break.
We were talking about what wentwrong, Matt LaFleur, the
problems that we're seeing withMatt LaFleur right now.
Let's get into the good, right?
Let's let's talk a little bit ofgood off of the game.
Okay, the defense was fantasticin this game.
Once again, I mean we're talkingabout two straight weeks.
The Panthers held them to 16points there, and then we look

(36:20):
at this game against the Eagles,held them down to 10.
They forced a fumble there earlyon Jalen Hurts.
That was a fantastic play byEdrin Cooper.
I thought Evan Williams, Ithought Evan Williams really
looked good in the run game.

SPEAKER_02 (36:32):
Oh, yeah, he looked amazing.
I agree.

SPEAKER_03 (36:34):
He was blowing up Saquon Barkley.
There was a play I would have togo back and watch the film.

SPEAKER_02 (36:39):
I know exactly what you talk about.

SPEAKER_03 (36:40):
It was a play.
I mean, Saquon Barkley, he justcame straight through the line,
blew up in the backfield, likeright on the head of the flam.

SPEAKER_02 (36:45):
He came from deep, dog.

SPEAKER_03 (36:46):
I was like, Yes, yeah, and I was mightily
impressed off that play.
I was like, wow, okay, okay.
Here's Evan Williams.
He's playing great.
He looks fantastic.
I thought the secondary did apretty darn good job on AJ
Brown.
They did a pretty good job on uhuh Devontae Smith got open one
time there over the top.
It was a good throw by JalenHurts, great catch by Devontae.

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People forget, and I love whatJalen Hurts said that he's like,
people forget that DevontaeSmith won a Heisman.
Like he's uh pretty darn goodfootball player, and a lot of
people just forget about that.
So I mean, he was fantastic.
I mean, he he's a fantastic widereceiver.
Dallas Goddard got open a coupletimes.
My biggest, I guess the onlything I could say where I had a
I guess a problem with thedefense was they still seemed to

(37:30):
lose guys in the flats.
That's where I guess my myconcern is because it's the
third and shorts when they justdrop it off in a flats to like
Dallas Goddard and he just getsa first down on a little just
boom route there.
It just those are the ones whereI don't it worries you that they
had they didn't add at thecornerback position because they

(37:50):
can't play a press, any kind ofpress coverage because they get
worried about getting burnt offthe edges, especially against
teams like the Eagles with goodwide receivers out there, or
you're gonna have that againstthe Vikings there.
Uh the Bears got some goodtalent out there at the wide
receiver position.
So you're gonna even the I mean,we can I just keep going through
laundry list.
There's gonna be a lot of teamsthat you're gonna face there
where the Packers just don'tfeel comfortable playing a press

(38:11):
coverage, which worries youbecause it's like they're going
to play a bend but don't breakdeath by a thousand cuts defense
and just hope that you screw upalong the way.
And I guess that's that would bemy only worry, I guess, with the
defense.
What did you like coming offthis game from the defense?
Maybe if you had some worries ordislikes about the defense in
this game.

SPEAKER_02 (38:31):
My biggest concern was again, you mean you're
nailed on the head playing offand very much like playing
beyond the sticks when it's thethird and long.
Um, again, having Saquon out wayin the flat, and then Carrington
Valentine having one of thebetter games I've seen him have
all season, missed the tackle,but not a lot of people are
hitting Saquon in that kind ofspace, right?

(38:53):
I think Michael Parsons had anamazing game.
I think he was on his horse manya times and he was just right
there for multiple sacks.
Him losing contain is a littlefrustrating.
It reminds me a lot of RashawnGary when he'd make his pass
rush off the side, right?
Where he's pulling for the forthe sack and he's going so wide
that he gives up a lane for themto run out and get a first down.
It happened against Carolina, ithappened against Jalen.

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Um, I think one of the biggestconcerns I have on defense is
when you have Isaiah McDuffieout there, and he's an amazing
one-stopper.
He definitely could play, youknow, within, like I want to say
within a very short zone, but hegets exposed a lot when they put
a you know put a tight end onhim.
Um, I feel like McKinney had apretty good game, but again,

(39:39):
like I wish that he was morelike close to a line, make him
be more disruptive.
Again, we held the PhiladelphiaEagles to 10 points, right?
What I thought was kind of funnywas they ran the touch push,
what, like maybe once or twice?

SPEAKER_03 (39:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:51):
And truth be told, the Eagles could have probably
ran the touch push like at least15 times that game.
There were multiple times.
They were in third and short,like third and two, third and
three.
And I thought they were gonnarun the touch push.
They purposely didn't run it.
I feel like I feel like they'relike, you know what, this is a
team that wanted to get itbanned.
We're gonna use it a coupletimes, and that's it, and we're
gonna basically play itstraight.

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Because there were times whereI'm like, there were times in
that fourth quarter where I'mlike, they could run the touch
push and they could justbasically just run the clock
out.
And they decide not to, and ofcourse they didn't get their
completions.
But man, I was very surprised bythe fact that the lack of
utilization when it came to thetouch push.
And you know, again, 10-7 game.
So your defense has lost.

(40:32):
No, your defense is now heldteams within you know, those
double digits.
We have what a total of 39points and three losses.
And you're telling me theoffense just couldn't get it
done.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Like the defense is doing hisjob.
Jeff Hafley is not onlyadjusting at halftime, he's
adjusting in in drives.

SPEAKER_03 (40:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (40:54):
Like you're watching him make adjustments when it
comes to how they're actuallyplaying on the front, if they're
gonna add more weight, howthey're actually playing off,
and they're sending blitzes andthey're being very timed.
Like, he's making theseadjustments.
And I'm thinking, like, youknow, LaFleur used to be that
way, and we're not seeing that.
So, all in all, the defense isdoing its job, it's getting paid
for, and the Packers went all inthis year by getting Parsons.

(41:16):
And I hate to say it, like, ifthis continues, it's gonna be a
failed season, it's gonna be alost season.
And the window is open for liketwo and a half years.
But what do you do?
Like, if your offense can't getout of this funk, they're in.
I just don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (41:30):
You can't, you're you're basically the Cleveland
Browns.

SPEAKER_01 (41:32):
Like that's but they look good, they still they were
still touchdowns.

SPEAKER_03 (41:38):
I mean, get Joe Flacco, get Joe Flacco in there,
he'll start throwing touchdownsfor you.

SPEAKER_02 (41:43):
I heard Joe Burrow might be available, so maybe get
Joe Burrow.

SPEAKER_03 (41:46):
Maybe, maybe, I don't know.
Um, yeah, I would completelyagree.
The the Tush push wasinteresting, and he brought up
an interesting point.
Maybe they didn't run it becausethey wanted to say, well, look
what we can do without it.
Exactly.
No, maybe they just wanted toprove that they could do it
without the touch push.
So that's that's an interestingone there.

SPEAKER_02 (42:02):
We ran it one time, they ran it one time.
I think that I think that wasthe only maybe once or twice.

SPEAKER_03 (42:06):
I don't think they they didn't run it a lot.
No, they didn't run it a lot atall, but they did have a lot of
chances to utilize it, and theydidn't.
So very interesting there.
Yeah, I would agree.
Uh Barron Sorrell, I thought heplayed great.
I thought Baron Sorrell did somereally good things, limited
snaps, didn't play a lot.
I total, I mean, I I would haveto I can't even see the total
snaps are out of the top of myhead there.
But oh, right there, seven.

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He had total snaps, total sevensnaps in total, but two tackles,
some good plays out there.
I mean, he was great in the run,I thought, and in this one here
at least.
He was great in the run for him.
He actually was their top uh PFFgrade, but he only played seven
snaps.
So I don't I don't know.
It's like PFF's always got thatskewed thing there where they
don't put into account that theyonly play so many snaps to kind

(42:49):
of organize that one out there.
Like we talked about CarringtonValentine.
I thought he played fantastic.
Javian Bullard has developedinto a really good guy along
with the run.
I thought, you know, that's beenthe big step up in his game is
his ability to get downhill onthat run game.
That's been impressive.
So Javian Bullard has been greatfor him.
There was a lot of guys that wesaw in this game who played

(43:09):
meaningful snaps and playedreally well.
I mean, Eggembare, he playedwell.
Kobe Wooden, Carl Brooks playedwell.
I thought Devontae Wyatt.
That was the one.
That was what I missed.

SPEAKER_02 (43:19):
Devontae Wyatt had an amazing game.

SPEAKER_03 (43:22):
He did, he did, and he didn't get graded well.
He got graded like crap because,and I think it was just because
of the run game.
The run game hurt him.
And I just because he wasn't hewasn't a force in the run game,
and I think that was a lot ofthe Jalen Hurts stepping up in
the pocket and being able to getout.
I think that's where maybe theyknocked him on the run with his
run defense.
Because when you look at hisgrade, he got graded like crap

(43:43):
when it came to the run game.
His actually overall defense was33.
The run, he graded him in at a40.
So, I mean, he just it's justthat run game that really got to
him in the grading system, Iwould say.
But I thought all in all,Devontae Wyatt played really
well up the middle for thePackers in this one.
It's like you said though, therush went wide.
They brought forward, the rushwent wide.

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Uh Jalen Hurts was just able tostep up, and that's all it was.
He found the lanes to step upin, and he's very good at that.
And then Jalen Hurts has got theability to not just run, he can
throw it out of that, he can doa lot of different things, which
gives him that multi-weapon lookthere.
So that that was definitelysomething that hurt the Packers
in this one was him being ableto extend plays, and it's been a
thing that's hurt the Packers inthe past.

(44:25):
Yeah.
With, like you said, with mobilequarterbacks being able to get
out and run there.
So, I mean, all in all, though,the defense, you can't like
we're not gonna sit here andharp on the defense.
There, there is not a whole lotof bad that you want to bring
out of this defense here.
Uh, but the offensive side ofit, I think the big thing that
I'm getting is the offensiveline is I don't know what they

(44:46):
have to do.
I don't.
I I am I'm at a loss because Ireally didn't think.
I mean, we talked about in theoffseason where like Josh Myers
wasn't the greatest thing in theworld.
Um, moving Elton Jenkins over,that seemed like a solid move at
the time, moving Elton over, andthen you add in Aaron Banks.
We're like, okay, you know,they're they're you don't
they're they're addressingproblems, right?

(45:08):
Because when they went into lastoffseason, you look at what
happened in the playoff game,right?
They got bullied, they gotbullied up front by the Eagles.
This team right here.
This is what they prepared for.
This is why they got Aaron Bankswas for this team.
Yeah, and he just got he gotmanhandled, and then I mean,
outside of that, I mean, ZachTom, I thought played well.

(45:28):
Rasheed Walker didn't play bad.
I thought, I thought actually onthe outside, those two didn't
play bad.
Zach Tom didn't look bad.
I thought Rasheed Walkeractually looked good.
Pass blocking-wise, RasheedWalker actually graded at 86.
He was fantastic, if you want tolook at that.
I mean, those two actuallyplayed well, and Rasheed
Walker's been a guy of question,but he played well, Zach Tom

(45:49):
played well.
But you look at these otherguys, Jordan Morgan, the
inconsistent play of JordanMorgan.
I don't know what Anthony Beltonis at this point here.
And then I mean, we could justgo through a laundry list of
guys.
Sean Ryan ended up having toplay center, he's gonna end up
playing bad at the center spotfor coming in, and we kind of
talked about it there.
We said that at one point.
We're like, maybe shift SeanRyan over to center and kick
Elton Jenkins back out.
Well, now Elton Jenkins is gonnabe on the pine for a little bit

(46:12):
there with that uh fracture.
But the offensive line is whereit's gotta start.
Yeah, because it's everything,it's not just, I mean, we talked
about the run game, it's notjust the run game, though.
It's Jordan Love.
When Jordan Love is notpressured, he's like one of the
best quarterbacks in football.

SPEAKER_02 (46:27):
Yeah, but you're gonna get pressured, right?
Yeah, like you got to be able todo that.

SPEAKER_03 (46:30):
The book is out on love.
The book is out on love.
When you can put pressure onJordan Love, it's it's night and
day difference.
He can be the best quarterbackin the world without it, and
when he's got pressure on him,he makes silly mistakes, he
tries to force things, hedoesn't, he doesn't do well with
pressure, and we saw it in thisgame.
He rushes things, right?
He doesn't like we're talkingabout Jalen Hurts, right?

(46:51):
He sees the open lane, he stepsup into that lane.
Jordan Love, not in that same, Idon't want to say in that same
category, but I just he hequestions himself, and then the
routes that LaFleur is trying toset up are open.
How many times did you watch areplay and they're like, oh,
Dobbs was coming open across thefield?
Or there's Watson coming open,but Jordan Love didn't see him.
He didn't have time, he wasn'table to get it there.

(47:13):
That's the problem.
You do you have these crossersthat are supposed to open this
thing up because you're playingthat too high safety look.
You have these crossers that aresupposed to open it up, but you
they're not opening it upbecause Jordan Love doesn't have
time to even step up and look.
That's where I guess my worry iswith this offensive line is that
Jordan Love doesn't have thetime, which is making Jordan
Love look even worse.

(47:33):
I think Jordan Love is makingsome silly mistakes.
I will say that.
I think Jordan Love, theimmaturity is still there, which
is worrisome at times becausethat fumble.
That's something that can'thappen.
No, you got to eat that.
You have to go down and eat thatbecause that's three points.
I know McManus missed the onelate, but that's three points.
That's a tie ball game.
Now, things can go different,right?
But hindsight being 2020, that'sa tie ball game.

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So that's a problem that youright there.

SPEAKER_02 (47:58):
That's you kind of like volleyball hit it to
Jacobs, man.

SPEAKER_03 (48:00):
That was I don't know what that was.
That was just what like that andthe fourth and one call are two
terrible things that happenedthat I just I just have replays
in my mind watching over andover again.
And it's just it's thatimmaturity play by Jordan Love
where it's just we've seen itbefore, and that's where I guess
I come back to the Matt LaFleurthing and saying to him, Okay,

(48:21):
the immaturity of Jordan Love,why hasn't Jordan Love this was
supposed to be the breakoutyear?
Why does it not seem like abreakout year?
And it just comes back to thesame narrative that it just
never is consistent, it's neverall there, and Jordan Love, it's
like he needs all other 10 guysto be playing at a certain

(48:41):
level, and right now you havewho's playing at an actual good
level, Christian Watson.
Yeah, I mean Rasheed Walker,maybe you got three guys on that
entire offense, right?
I mean, I can't blame LukeMusgrave, I don't think he
really did anything terrible inthat game.
So maybe Luke Musgrave, but he'sstill not Tucker Kraft.
Who's playing at that level thatcan elevate the offense right

(49:04):
now?
Maybe three guys that you cansay that played well in this
game to elevate the offense,Zach Tom, Rasheed Walker, and
Christian Watson.
Outside of that, Dobbs Dobbsplayed well.
Jacob's to degree, but yeah, andthen I mean Wicks.

SPEAKER_02 (49:17):
I've had some drops.
There was like five drops thatcould turn the game around.
And I think what you're sayingabout the pressure thing, I
agree.
But Jordan's been the kind ofguy who's taken pressure to the
face and still been able todeliver the ball pretty
accurately.
And we saw that in the beginningof the year, and it's like I'm
watching him, he's skittish.

(49:38):
He's skiddish, and he's scared.
Like it's like he's looking downat the pass rush.
I mean, I watch Aaron Banks getbeat time and time and time
again.
It was embarrassing.
And then Jordan Morgan playingright guard doesn't make any
sense to me.
You just need to put him on leftguard and call it a day because
what Yachi was better at.
I think like Jordan has noconfidence in that line, and
he's trying to lose confidenceas receivers.

(49:59):
I feel like they're not theirspacing's off, their routes are
off, something's going on.
But he too are not, he's notmaking like he's not letting
things develop enough to whereyou can make better decisions.
And this double clutching stuffis like I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_03 (50:13):
It's exactly like this head coach.
That's good.
Like that is it.
That's 100% it.
I'm coming back to the headcoach with all this.
These guys are questioningthemselves.
The route run, like you said,the route running's all off, the
formations are off.
You can't even set up, you can'teven set up where you gotta go,
even on when it's i mean, youhave time, you have all the time
in the world, and you havenobody who's yelling in, call

(50:35):
timeout, whatever, get thisthing fixed up, but you you
don't, you don't notice it,right?
It's those little things.
You have no, it's I don't wantto say you don't have a
leadership on the field rightnow, but it just seems like
there's nobody out there who'slike taking that urgent charge
to say, Okay, we got to fix thisright now.
Well, you hear it behind thescenes, right?
Josh Jacobs will tell you in apress conference, but what's he

(50:56):
doing out on the field?

SPEAKER_02 (50:57):
Yeah, what what's what you guys like?
He says he doesn't know theanswer, but they're gonna figure
it out.
I'm thinking like you gotMichael Parsons saying, Don't
worry, we're gonna win a lot ofgames.
I'm thinking, like, all right,dog, you got like eight games
left.
What are you talking about?
Like, apart me's kind of likeyou can keep telling us these
things, but there's no changeshappening, and like LaFleur
needs like a come to his lordmoment and just really figure
out what he's gonna do becauseI'm sorry, like you what you're

(51:19):
doing isn't working, and youneed to change it up.
Like, Dan Campbell took over theplay column because he wanted to
change things up.
LaFleur might need to give itup.
I'm not saying that's the rightmove, but it's something
different and see if it makes adifference.
That's where it comes down to.

SPEAKER_03 (51:31):
What could Stenovich do worse at this point?

SPEAKER_02 (51:33):
At this point, honestly, get more Vrable, yeah,
right, or Getsey.
Getsy's called plays orNathaniel Hackett, he's called
plays.
There's a lot of guys.

SPEAKER_03 (51:41):
Any of them you could have Jeff Hafley call it
at this point.
I mean, honestly, do worse.

SPEAKER_02 (51:45):
I'm telling you, it is it is just one of those
things where we have guys therethat can give you different,
like an infusion on the offense,yeah, and you allows you to be.
And the thing is, maybe hedoesn't know what to do then.
If he's not calling plays, maybehe's confused as a head coach
just like McCarthy was in 2015.
Yeah, he gave a play calling forlike five like what, like seven,
eight weeks.

(52:05):
He was doing his thing, butafter a while, he had to take it
back because he just didn't likethe way things were going.
They weren't they weren't bad,but still, though, right?

SPEAKER_03 (52:12):
Right.
I'm gonna let you go on thisone.
I'm gonna let you go on thisone.
I don't know if he wants to letit up because if somebody does
come in there and do it better,Matt LaFleur doesn't really have
a reason to be there anymore.
Maybe so that would be stilldesign the play.
He's designing it, but you couldjust be like, Oh, you got the
playbook already.
Why do we need Matt LaFleuraround anymore?
He's just a random guy, likeit's it's one of those kind of

(52:35):
things, too.
I don't know.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (52:37):
That's I can see that actually.

SPEAKER_03 (52:40):
It's it's Matt LaFleur.
Who knows?
Packers, they gotta figure itout here.
Umer, I gotta run.
Let the people know where tofind you out there across social
media.

SPEAKER_02 (52:47):
Absolutely, man.
So as always on AMAR3455 onTwitter X.
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We're probably gonna go againThursday or Friday.
Oh, actually, Thursday's mybirthday, so we're probably
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We put those on there, we try totalk to everybody, talk about
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week, as well as just probablyjust complain because that's
what we're gonna be doing.
It's probably a lot ofcomplaining and saying a lot of
things we probably can't say onhere.

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