October 8, 2025 • 53 mins
We challenge the Packers to prove they’re contenders by turning a 14-point favorite into a statement and lay out what leadership, urgency, and aggressive play-calling should look like against Cincinnati. We also examine Jeff Hafley’s bounce-back test, power rankings, fantasy targets, and why adaptable teams win in October.
• why a big line vs Cincinnati is a measuring stick, not a comfort blanket
• how Green Bay’s pass rush must punish a weak Bengals offensive line
• why LaFleur needs to remove the training wheels and trust Jordan Love
• halftime adjustments, defensive accountability, and Hafley’s response
• leadership and urgency at two-minute, not just coach-side urgency
• ditching “self‑inflicted wounds” as a crutch and raising standards
• NFC and AFC power rankings with Detroit’s ascent and AFC volatility
• fantasy streamers and pickups for the coming week
• MLB playoffs insight: contact, pressure, and winning multiple ways
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
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We're gonna talk a little bitmore Packers here, get ready for
this Bengals game.
And we went to the break, and Iasked you guys the question.
I said, if this Packers teamcan't find a way to take care of
the Bengals and basically stompthem as we believe they should.
(01:04):
I think they're going to thisgame.
What are they?
Like 14 point.
They're 14-point favorites inthis one, I'm pretty sure.
Which I know doesn't seem likeit's does that seem crazy?
I don't know.
It is in the NFL world, that is.
14 points is a lot.
Usually, games that they expectto be blowouts, the favorite is
like seven.
Like, so the 14 is a lot.
That's a lot on the bettingline.
(01:24):
So they're favored by 14 and ahalf.
Is this game to you?
It's good.
I think it tells us a lot.
I really do.
Yeah.
Is this game?
Is this game gonna tell you alot about where this Packers
team is at due to the outcome ofthis?
SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
I I think that um I don't feel like these next two
games against the Bengals andthe Cardinals are gonna be a
true depiction as to where thePackers are at.
I feel the reason why I say thatis because when you look at the
Bengals, yeah, they got Flacco,they have some amazing weapons
on offense, but their offensiveline is almost as bad, if not
(02:03):
worse, than the Browns was.
And their defense is nowhereeven close to being as good as
the Browns was.
Now they got some good passrushers.
Now, don't get me wrong, but youknow, uh Shamar Stewart hasn't
really played most of the year.
I don't know if he'll be in forthis game, but Hendrickson is a
beast.
But that's about it, though.
I don't need the floor to get uhtoo scared about one pass rusher
(02:25):
again, like he did with MilesGarrett.
Uh but truth be told, I feellike this should be a game will
be at home.
That's another big difference,right?
It should be a game that, ifanything, shows that the offense
should pick up where he left offin Dallas, and then defensively,
we should have a better outputthan we did against the Cowboys.
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Same thing with the Cardinals.
I feel like the Cardinals nextweek up, not trying to think too
far in advance, but Kyle Murrayhas been very inconsistent.
I'm a Murray fan, but he hasbeen so inconsistent, I'm having
a hard time supporting him.
And on top of that, too, theyhave a lot of things going on
there.
We got coaches, you know, youknow, semi-fighting players for
making some really boneheadmistakes, and then God knows
what else is going on overthere.
Yeah, but the truth be told isthese next two games are like
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maybe get right games for thePackers, right?
And I don't want to I'll put itthis way if they if they come
out and lay an egg, okay, thenyou might be right.
We might be concerned aboutsomething, okay?
Like because this defense isprobably one of the worst
defenses we've we're gonna faceall year.
I mean, that's they you know,they hired a call a college
coach out of uh Notre Dame, Ibelieve, and they get it traded
(03:35):
away a lot of assets, they gaveup on Lou Amaro, who's killing
it right now in Indianapolis.
And yeah, I mean, if anything,maybe a shootout because you
know, maybe Flacco get the ballto their monster weapons with uh
Chase and Higgins.
Uh, but no, I I definitely thinkthat this should be a game where
they're walking away prettyhappy with uh at least a
(03:55):
two-score win, you know.
Like, yep, back to our lastsegment, it's one of those
things where we just need theoffense, we need the floor to
stop playing nice, if that makessense.
SPEAKER_01 (04:05):
I agree 100%.
Like you said in the firstsegment, they're all gas, no
breaks.
That's 100%.
I agree with you there.
And this is a game, I just feellike if you have, and you don't
want to say, like, oh, what I'mgonna see here in week six of
the NFL season is gonna dictatewhat the end of this year is
gonna look like.
But I'm saying it right now, ifyou can't, if this game is like
(04:26):
24 to 21, I don't come away fromthis feeling great.
You won.
Go good, you won, but you won bya field goal against a team who
has no business being on thesame field as you.
If you have Super Bowlaspirations, you you have to at
some point here put together acomplete game for me.
Look like, look like you are theteam that we went into the year
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thinking you were.
When you got Micah Parsons, andwe were and everybody said, Oh
boy, watch out for this team.
This defense is darn good.
Micah Parsons isn't even playingfull time yet, and this defense
is this good.
What's gonna happen when he'sfirst playing full time?
They're gonna give up 48 pointsto the Dallas Cowboys.
That's how good it was gonnaget.
You have to figure something inthis game, like you said, over
(05:10):
these next couple weeks here,something has to give to the
point where we look at this teamand say, Yep, that's the team we
were expecting.
This is the team that I wasready to watch.
This is it.
Yeah, this is something they'rebuilding off of.
Because right now, if youactually look at it, what they
had to start the year to now,it's like they got hot and
cooled off right away.
(05:31):
So now what?
Where do you go from here?
These are two weeks in a rowwhere I'm saying to myself, I
want to see this team fulfillthat 14-point dog right there.
I want to see them let JordanLove run wild.
And it's the hard part, right?
You you have a terrible defense,yet the Bengals still have good
weapons.
And now you had Joe Flacco, aguy to just deliver the football
to him.
That might be a good thing forhim.
(05:52):
But this offensive line for theBengals, as you alluded to,
stinks.
They stink.
So this pass rush for the GreenBay Packers, I hope they can get
home.
I hope they can, because if theycan't, I'm worried about that
too.
There's a lot of things in herewhere you watch either it's that
defensive line, the cornerbacks,I don't know about that because
you got Jamar Chase, you got T.
Higgins.
(06:12):
That's gonna be a whole nothermess.
But if you look at this, if thedefensive line can't get home,
the offensive line is strugglingagain, and the wide receivers
can't get open and Jordan Lovecan't move the ball and the run
game can't get going.
Okay, I'm worried now.
I am majorly worried becauseoutside of Trey Hendrickson and
some decent pass rush, it'snothing.
There's nothing there to writehome about.
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So, yes, if they do not, if theydo not go into this game and
stomp this team, I am I'mworried.
I am just I don't, I'm notsaying flush the season and like
we got to trade it all away andwe got to fire people, but I am
definitely worried about thedirection of this team, and I
think it's gonna put into a lotof questions and the Matt
LaFleur, like we were talkingabout there in segment one,
(06:55):
where we said, well, you know,about this team and the
leadership and the movingforward and everything like
that, it's definitely gonna begthose questions to move in even
more.
And then LaFleur is gonna have alot of questions to answer if
this does not look good afterthis one.
So looking at this Bengals game,okay.
I had one thing real quick.
SPEAKER_02 (07:11):
I had one thing real quick.
You got it, you got it.
All right, so last thing I wantto say about that Cowboys game.
The quarterback coach for Mr.
uh whatchamacallit BrianSchottheimer was the former OC
at Boston College.
Mark Eccles talked about this onPack a Day with Jason Perome.
I actually talked about onTwitter.
And I think that is the reasonwhy that offense looks so good
(07:33):
against our defense, because hehad that institutional knowledge
of how Halfley runs his defense,right?
No different than when Shanahanand Peton would go against each
other because you know Shanahanwas Peton's OC too, right?
And we played them in 2019.
He eviscerated us because hesaid if we went up against this
defense, I would have so much,it would be so easy for him.
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And he proved it.
So just I feel like that mightbe a reason why our defense
didn't look as good as it did.
And also they know Parsonsbetter than anybody because they
hadn't for 40 years.
So with that being said, nowthey've got the Bengals, now we
got one of the worst rankeddefenses going up against us.
What were you saying?
I'm so sorry.
I hope I no, no, no, you'regood, you're good.
SPEAKER_01 (08:13):
That I I actually that was a great fact that you
just brought into it, and thatalso brings into the question of
how good is Jeff Afflee?
Because, and this is why I saybecause if they do see the
Dallas Cowboys again, becausethe Cowboys are playing some
good football, there's apotential maybe something crazy
happens and they end up gettinginto the playoffs some way,
shape, or how, whatever.
Maybe you do see a Cowboys teamagain.
(08:35):
I mean, I'm not saying it'sgonna happen, but maybe you do
see a Cowboys team again.
What happens round two?
You know, that's that's kind ofwhere I'm looking at is like
what happens in round two?
I'm not saying Dallas Cowboysare gonna go to the playoffs or
anything like that, but it itdoes have that question of, you
know, because you want to seeeven an adjustment at halftime,
because I don't know if thePackers made a good adjustment
(08:55):
at halftime to what was going onthere.
So Jeff Halfley, at the end ofthe day, like you're saying, he
got, I mean, outcoached by a guywho knows him.
So it's a question of how doesJeff Halfley come back from
that?
And what does the defense showfrom there?
So I that's a great fact, andit's a great, it's gonna be a
great uh to see how Jeff Halfleyresponds now to this is my worst
called game of my entire NFLcareer.
(09:18):
How do I come back from this?
It's gonna tell you a lot aboutJeff Halfley, and will we see
him as a defensive coordinatornext year or head coach?
Because these are the thingsthat other teams are looking at
too, when they're saying tothemselves, okay, what were his
worst games and how did hebounce back?
Because that's where we look atMatt LaFleur too, and where we
judge him is okay, we're sayingthat one of well, the bank the
(09:38):
Browns game wasn't a great gamecalled by Matt LaFleur.
The Cowboys game, it was a goodgame called by him, but some
questionable moments.
So now it's like, okay, how doyou come back against this
Bengals team?
How'd he come back against theCardinals?
That's how you judge headcoaches, that's how you judge
coordinators.
So I guess we're gonna see whatkind of happens there.
But what's going to this Banglesgame?
We got just a little bit here.
(09:59):
Yeah, Joe Flacco comes over.
Yep.
Does that change your opinion awhole lot about you know what we
saw or what we were gonna see inJake Browning?
Does that change that uh thatfeeling you have about this
game?
SPEAKER_02 (10:13):
I mean, not really, because I mean Browning isn't
he's a vet too.
He's just a backup vet, right?
Flacco is a you know formerSuper Bowl champ, things like
that.
You know, he was definitelygetting the ball out pretty
quick.
Um, I do feel like the offensiveline for the Bengals is just
nowhere, it's your worst, eventhough ranking-wise they're one
up, but one step like they'rethe second worst, and the Browns
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were the worst.
There's something about thatoffensive line where having
Flacco back there, I don't thinkit makes a difference.
And he will be the kind of dudewho can get the ball to Higgins
and Chase if he has time.
Question is will he have time?
I don't know if he'll have timeagainst this our defense.
I really don't.
I mean, I think the defense isprobably very upset about the
(10:57):
way the game ended with the withthe Cowboys and how they were
literally probably they werethey were close to 10 sacks that
they just were just either onesecond too close or just missed
by a hair, right?
Yeah, and I'm hoping that theycan make it up.
And also, Parsons did sayFlacco's one of the quarterbacks
he has not sacked, and he didn'tget any sacks in that Browns
game, so maybe he gets his getback.
(11:19):
And for a guy who's a part-timeplayer and didn't play in week
five to lead the league inpressures means he's pretty good
at doing something.
SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
Pretty darn good at doing something.
I would agree 100%.
I agree 100% there.
This game coming up, bangles,like we just talked about.
I I you wouldn't say there's alot riding on it because there's
a lot of season left.
As Amers trying not to hack up alung here in the mic, but yes,
yes.
Um there's a lot of season left,so we're not saying like, you
(11:49):
know, what the outcome of thisis gonna hit everything, but
what we're seeing.
SPEAKER_02 (11:53):
Not doom and gloom, not doom and gloom.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:55):
Yep, the this this game right here is going to tell
us a lot about the direction ofthis team right now, where it's
heading, Matt LaFleur'sleadership, getting this thing
right, riding the ship in themoment.
Because sometimes we we didn'tsee it at halftime, right?
As we were just talking aboutthere with Jeff Halfway.
We didn't see the adjustments athalftime in the Cowboys game
like we wanted to see, I guess.
(12:15):
So, what do we see now foradjustments moving forward here
for this Packers team,especially without like a
Devontae Wyatt in there and guyslike that?
The offensive line's been bangedup, the adjustments that we're
gonna see Matt LaFleur make.
So, Ummer, I got to run here.
Thank you as always for stoppingby.
Let the people know where tofind you out there across social
media.
SPEAKER_02 (12:32):
I was gonna say, uh, you guys can find me on uh
Twitter at AMAR3455, uh Coast toCoast Packers.
Uh, we took a bye week just likethe Packers did.
We'll be back Thursday night,probably looking at probably
7.15 to 7:30 uh central time.
And plan is to talk everythingwe did here and probably a
little bit more, go into moredetail about some things.
Uh, and as always, you can findus on Instagram, you can find us
(12:54):
on TikTok, Kick, and Twitter,and all that good stuff.
And Tra as always, thank you forhaving me, man.
SPEAKER_01 (12:59):
No problem.
It's my pleasure having you onhere every single week.
Make sure you guys are checkingthem out there across social
media.
Make sure you guys check outCoast the Ghost on Thursday
there as we dive deeper into thePackers and what to expect in
that Bengals game.
So, with that, thank you asalways, Ummer Kyle stopping by
next.
We got some NFL talk to get to,we got some MLB playoffs to talk
about.
So, we're gonna get to that whenwe come back here at from the
(13:20):
commercial break.
We'll be right back here.
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So I told you guys I wanted todo a new segment, a part of the
show.
When I find some feel-goodstories, because the world is a
full of a lot of terrible stuff.
And I want to find thosefeel-good stories that just make
us feel better on a Wednesdaynight.
This is my feel-good story ofthe week.
So this came from I found itover on Facebook.
Marathon School District sharedit over there.
(14:25):
And the Marathon varsityvolleyball coach witnessed a
special moment at Wednesdaynight's game.
So this was last week there.
She after so what was happeningwas is there was a game going
on, and we were they wereplaying another team, and their
crowd only had six people total,including their bus driver and a
JV player.
So there was barely anybodythere.
After the game, one of the highschool boys said, We saw what
(14:47):
they that they didn't haveanyone over there and thought it
was simple.
So they split their crowd up.
They split their student studentsection out, and half of the
student section went over to oneside of the gym, and the other
one was on the other side of thegym.
That half cheered for thisopposing team while the other
half cheered for the marathonteam.
That was awesome because it wasjust a feel-good moment where
these girls were out there, theydidn't have much of a crowd
(15:08):
there, and the marathon crowdsplit themselves up.
They were cheering against eachother, even though at the end of
the day they were all marathonfans.
They were fans of the game thatnight, and that was awesome.
So this came out of Marathon.
I don't really, I don't have theopposing team on here who they
were playing that night.
All I know is that studentsections split themselves up,
one half cheering for thisopposing team while the other
(15:29):
half cheered for marathon.
That was awesome to see.
That was awesome to seesomething like that.
Just a just a feel-good storyfor your Wednesday here.
So hats off to that, everybody,everybody involved there and to
the marathon school district.
That was awesome to see there.
So Ummer is here.
Umer, how are we doing on thisWednesday?
SPEAKER_02 (15:47):
I'm good, man.
It's it's been a crazy, crazyyear, I think.
I think um we're already like inthe second week of week of
October, which is kind of wild.
The year's gone by really fast.
Uh, all in all, work has beenstill crazy.
Uh, I had a really greatweekend, and um, the bye week
was definitely needed, just needto not be stressed out about
Packers football for one weekendin my life.
(16:10):
And uh had a lot of plans, somefriends, some family, and you
know, school's going reallywell, and work is crazy, but
going well, and just reallylooking forward now to another
week of us talking about Packersfootball, football, and just see
what this week brings.
(16:30):
How are you doing?
I see that the brewers are doingwell, my friend.
SPEAKER_01 (16:34):
The brewers are rolling.
It is fantastic.
It is fantastic.
What's going on with the brewersright now?
Then I just had that feel-goodstory I just read off there that
made it even better.
So, I mean, yeah, you you can'tbeat it.
You can't beat it.
Plus, we're here talking sports.
So, I mean, what else could youpossibly want?
We're here talking sports on aWednesday night.
So, love it.
Love to hear that you're doinggreat tonight here.
The Packers, I don't know, you'dsay they limped into the bye
(16:57):
week.
It wasn't a great way to go intothe bye week.
They had the tie with theDallas, or they had first they
had the loss to the Browns, thenthey had the tie with the Dallas
Cowboys.
So, not a great way to go intoyour bye week, but could have
been worse, right?
Could have been worse.
That was still a heck of and andokay.
I I went I went back, I watchedthe Dallas Cowboys game.
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I felt better after watching it.
I I really did.
There was some silly thingsstill in there, I would agree.
Like there's still some badthings.
But what made me feel good wasJordan Love went toe-to-toe with
a guy right now who coulddefinitely be up for MVP.
You could definitely say DakPrescott has played like an MVP
quarterback at this very momentin the season.
And Jordan Love went to hisbuilding and went toe-to-toe
(17:43):
with him.
When he had to match a drive, hedid it.
Dak would go down and score,Jordan would go and score.
Dak would lead this drive,Jordan led this drive.
That gave me so much hope andpromise.
I thought play calling wasstupid.
So I, if you ask me, like that'swhere I was at with that.
I hate using the word stupid,but terrible, right?
Play calling was terrible inthose in some of those moments.
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And I thought Jordan looked likea deer in headlights at the end.
Now, that comes back to for mepreparation.
Preparation, not just by him,but by the coaching staff, by
all these guys, guys on theoffensive line, doesn't matter
who it was.
You did not see Rush in any ofthose guys at the end of that
game.
So I still come back to in thisbye week.
If you're Matt LaFleur, you'resaying to yourself, I need to
find some leaders on theoffense.
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Jordan Love might be, and Iguess this would be where I want
to start.
I think the offense still lacksleadership.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
Like those leaders who push, Ithink they have guys who pushed
guys.
I think Jordan Love is a leaderof this team, but what I saw in
that last 30 seconds, where itcould have not ended in a tie
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because they had one second lefton that ball yet.
So it could have definitelyended with a loss by the Green
Bay Packers.
Right.
Watching that, I said to myself,they don't have urgency, which
comes from I don't want to sayfrom a true leader, but a guy
who has that respect.
Where even a guy like JoshJacobs, somebody in there to
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say, let's go, hustle, somebodyrun, somebody tell these guys,
let's go, we gotta move.
There was nobody, nobody on thefield that was running, that was
hustling, that looked like theyhad urgency, except for Matt
LaFleur, who was screaming onthe sideline.
But he can only do so much.
ATT Stadium's blowing up rightnow.
Like you you can't just expectyour coach to control it all.
So I guess that would be is thata concern to you, I guess.
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In my in my opinion, it isbecause you don't have that
sense of urgency, which I thinkcomes from a guy who has the
ability to push these guys andsay, let's go, let's move.
Is that a concern to you on theoffensive side of football right
now?
SPEAKER_02 (19:41):
No, and the reason why I say that is when I watched
that last Thursday night gamewith the Niners and the Rams,
and I watched how like theywere, I feel like there was
maybe a little bit, and maybewe're never gonna hear the truth
about this, right?
But maybe there was a little bitof like we want to kill as much
of the clock as possible thatway, like if for some reason
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they get the ball back, theydon't have a chance to score
something, right?
But my logic was with all thatbeing said, maybe LaFleur kind
of forgot the rules and notthought about hey, if we score a
touchdown here, it's game over.
It doesn't matter what happens,right?
So, because of that, because wehave seen Jordan run a
two-minute, we've seen him inthat Saints game in 2023, where
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he had to be able to take theteam back and get them in
scoring distance.
He was running up to the line,he was clocking the ball, he was
very efficient with the time.
We've seen him being able to dothat.
So I felt like what willwhatever was going on in that
game was almost orchestrated toa certain degree, which I don't
100% agree with, but that maybethat was their plan going into
(20:48):
it, right?
Because they did have two playscalled, but again, like you
said, there was this poordecision making, poor play
calling, and then there's somelack of urgency that maybe was
supposed to occur, was planned.
But even with all that beingsaid, it's like you score a
touchdown, it's a it's a itdoesn't matter, nothing matters
at that point, yeah, right.
And you're kind of taking theball out of Jordan's hand there
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because you know you're callingplays that weren't allowing him
to drive the ball downfield, youknow what I'm saying?
And so I personally don't thinkthat there's an issue with
leadership because hisleadership is different than
Rogers.
You know, Rogers he had thatthin line of competitiveness and
arrogance, right?
And if you win, you're a highlycompetitive dude.
Brady would get the same kind ofthing, but when you lose, now
(21:32):
you're an arrogant, not so niceperson, and you're getting you
know, you're getting trashed on,right?
Jordan's not either one of thosethings, he's a very quiet,
go-lucky dude.
Not he's very like not veryhigh, not very low.
He'd say he's pretty consistent.
So again, you have a rookie outthere, you have a makeshift
line.
I'm not trying to make an excusebecause of youth, but like there
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was just something missingthere, and I completely agree
with you when you don't havethat like veteran leadership.
But Jacobs is a leader, likehe's a veteran, he's your leader
guy on there, right?
Maybe I think Jordan is in thatposition too.
But even then, though, I justfeel like maybe there was
something, there's somemiscommunication between the
floor, maybe there was somethinggoing on we don't know about,
and then no one's gonna admit toit at this point.
(22:16):
But that whole sequence ofevents didn't make any sense
after what you just saw thewhole game and how that offense
was really running down thefield.
So I feel like hopefully thisbye week taught them a lesson to
kind of self-scout, figure outwhat they were doing wrong, as
well as looking at games acrossthe league where they were
watching a lot of these gamesthat went to overtime and saw
what these teams did in thosesituations.
SPEAKER_01 (22:36):
I think I agree with you.
I'm I'm going both ways.
I I I agree, but I say it, youknow, you you kind of pushed me
into saying this is aboutLaFleur, too.
This is about saying that it wasa combo.
It was a combo of saying hisurgency in the moment, plus
Jordan Love's urgency in thisoffense's urgency in the moment.
You put them together, it wasn'tgood.
(22:56):
And it begs the question thenwho needs to step up and be that
guy in that moment.
I think it's love.
I think it is, you know, and Ithink you said it perfectly.
Nobody understood it in themoment.
You have makeshift offensiveline, you have all these moving
pieces.
I get that.
But I think Jordan Love has tobe the guy to say, okay, let's
go.
Let's go.
Get up to the line, get up tothe line.
We I can call it at the line.
(23:16):
We know that he can.
He can call this offense at theline.
Let's get up there, let's getset.
My wide receivers are justbasically pushing downfield.
So run me a route and just myoffensive line block for me.
Let's go.
Just get up to the line, let'sdo it.
Call something out quick, let'sroll with it.
That's where I guess my problemcame in.
It was so slow.
It was slow.
It was there, was it was almostlike, ah, well, okay, we're
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settling here.
We don't want to try and do toomuch.
And then you look at and we talkabout these coaches in the NFC
North, even like a Dan Campbell,like a Kevin O'Connell.
They'll force it.
They'll just say, let's go,let's do it, let's go win this
thing.
You know, you watch that Vikingsversus Browns game there with
Carson Wentz going at it.
And Carson Wentz had a pretty hehad a darn good throw, but he
trusted Carson Wentz to just goand win it.
(24:01):
Just go and win this darn thing.
And that's what he did.
And that's where I think MattLaFleur is still at times, it
feels like he puts trainingwheels on.
He's like, I don't want to trustJordan Love.
Trust him.
Let him run it.
And if it if it goes to heck, ifit all goes south, we're fine.
If you force the issue, if yougo for it on a fourth and two at
their 30-yard line and you don'tget it, I'm good.
(24:22):
I'll move on with life.
I trusted you to get me thatfirst down.
You didn't get it, so be it.
That's where I think we've we'vesettled, and I hate settling.
And this is a question I had forthe settling portion.
Why do people, why do we, asPacker fans, continuously accept
when the media and everythingtells us and when Matt LaFleur
(24:42):
tells us these self-inflictedwounds?
I love that quote.
It's always, it seems like afterevery loss and every tie or
whatever it is, so manyself-inflicted wounds, and we
just settle for it.
SPEAKER_02 (24:57):
Yeah, I don't, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:58):
We just say to ourselves, well, yeah, I agree.
That's self-inflicted woundsagain.
Yeah, if they just fix that, ifthey just fix that, right?
If they just fix that, when arethey gonna do it?
Because these sameself-inflicted wounds are the
reason why we have to questionthe Green Bay Packers every
single year at this moment.
Yeah, because they haven't puttogether a complete game in a
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couple years, 49ers game in theplayoffs, maybe.
Even if you didn't trust thatone, you go back to the Cowboys
game.
Maybe you could say like aCardinals game last year, but I
don't even I think it was theCardinals last year where we
said that might have been acomplete game.
But either way, it's been a hotminute.
So I gotta that's my question toyou is why do we sit here and we
(25:45):
just accept that?
It is it getting to the pointwhere that's old news.
I'm done with that.
We have to get past that, andthe only way to get past that is
for this to improve.
SPEAKER_02 (25:56):
I I think I think I agree with you 100% because like
there's like you look atJacksonville last night against
Kansas City, you know, they weredown 14-0.
They had a lot of self-affectedwounds.
They had PI, they had uh OPIthat was, you know, they had
like you know, all these thingsthat went wrong for them, but
they still found a way to comeback and win that game.
Even if you have self-afflictedwounds, it's not an excuse.
(26:17):
Yeah, there's never gonna be aperfect game.
Like you could have an offense,defense, and special teams do
their job for the most part, butthey're still gonna make
mistakes.
We're all human.
That's not there's this is notMadden, right?
You don't turn off, you know,injuries, you don't turn off you
know penalties, you don't turnoff mistakes, right?
Like things are gonna happen,right?
And because of that, I do agreewith you that you can't keep
going back to that because itgets to a point to where like
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you have to overcome thatadversity if you want to be the
one that's holding that trophyat the end of the year.
Because if you can't, you can'tfind a way to adapt, you can't
find a way to get around thosethings.
You know, Bill Burr says you gotto work through those things,
right?
You gotta find a way to workthrough it, right?
And I couldn't agree more whereI that excuse, he's seven years
now as a head coach.
(27:00):
It's like, all right, well,that's fine.
Either you fix the problem oryou you find a way to get around
it, right?
If you know your offense line'snot playing well, you game plan
a way to you let pressure offthem, quick game, run game,
whatever you gotta do.
Your defense isn't playing well,then you push the issue on
offense, right?
You're out your and that'sanother thing, too.
I think the floor needs to goback to the all-gas no break.
SPEAKER_01 (27:22):
Yes, 100%.
SPEAKER_02 (27:24):
Understand, like you're gonna make mistakes,
there'll probably be fumbles,it'll be interceptions, it could
be you know, fourth downs, oryou don't get it.
Fine.
You have a defense that'ssupposed to be able to make up
for that.
Like you, like when they wereover the 50 and they punted in
the first quarter, you and metext each other, I'm like, yo,
what are they doing right now?
Why are they punting, right?
And I agree with you.
Like, again, if you're overtheir 50, you should have enough
(27:46):
confidence in your defense tomake a stop, and you should have
enough confidence in your officeto get that first down.
And doesn't and like even likewhen I watched that San
Francisco 49ers game against theRams, and the Rams called a
running play on fourth and one,right?
And took the ball out ofStafford's hand, and they didn't
get it.
I I think the same thing.
You if you got a quarterbackthat's got you that far and got
(28:07):
you in the game, you keeppushing it with that quarterback
and saying the good Jordan.
Jordan was the reason was one ofthe main reasons why we were
still in that game.
You don't take the ball of hishand, nor do you keep you, as
you said, keep the train wheelson him, yeah.
You let him ride.
SPEAKER_01 (28:22):
No, yeah, I 100% agree with you.
And it gets to the point whereif the problem is, and as we get
allude to every single season,somebody has to.
We have the youngest roster infootball.
If that continues to be theexcuse of why the self-inflicted
wounds are there, maybe yougotta switch it up then.
Maybe you have to get over thisyounger, young roster.
(28:43):
Stop trying to turn over theyoung guys and try to get some
veterans in then.
Do something different.
You can't just stick with thesame and go, oh, well, this is
good enough.
We're winning some games.
We just can't the self-inflictedwounds come back to bite us in
the you know divisional round.
No, it can't continuously be thesame excuses over and over.
100% agree.
So I am all with you there.
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Kyle, how are we doing?
It's Wednesday.
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I mean, everything is happeningright now.
(30:30):
How are we doing on thisWednesday?
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
I'm good.
You know, can't complain.
Like you said, the if you findyourself sitting around, need
something to watch, there'ssomething on.
That's always good for me.
SPEAKER_01 (30:43):
That's the best.
That is the absolute best rightnow.
And Kyle's happy because theYankees are sucking.
It's it's he's he's got his ownjoys right now.
We're gonna get to all that.
We're gonna get to all thattonight here in the segments.
But right away, as always, asalways, Kyle is here, which
means we have our mellow yellowminute, the trivia hour in honor
of my grandpa.
(31:04):
He loved trivia, he loved mellowyellow, the mellow yellow minute
here.
So, Kyle, tonight we have aninteresting one.
I am in the baseball moodtonight.
As everybody knows, I've beenhooting and hollering about the
brewers all night tonight.
So I am in the baseball mood,which means we have a baseball
trivia question.
Can you name the rulings for abatter to reach first base in
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baseball?
So there are actually seven waysthat a batter can reach first
base in baseball.
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If you get the seven ways beforeKyle does.
So, Kyle, what do you got forme?
The seven ways someone can reachfor a space invasion.
SPEAKER_00 (32:00):
So you have base hit.
Base hit.
You have a walk.
SPEAKER_01 (32:07):
Walk.
Okay, we got two.
We got two.
SPEAKER_00 (32:09):
You have hit by pitch.
SPEAKER_01 (32:11):
Hit by pitch, we got three.
SPEAKER_00 (32:13):
Catcher's interference.
SPEAKER_01 (32:15):
Catcher's interference.
That's four.
There we go.
SPEAKER_00 (32:18):
So now this one, do they count intentional walk as
something different?
SPEAKER_01 (32:22):
I do not think so.
No, they do not think.
SPEAKER_00 (32:23):
Okay, that's fine.
Fielder's choice.
Five.
An error.
Six.
Okay.
I was kind of hoping intentionalwalk was a separate one.
Okay, so seven would have to be.
SPEAKER_01 (32:39):
Um think about this one, Kyle.
Think about this one.
You got this one.
It involves the catcher.
It does involve the catcher.
Or pitcher, I guess.
SPEAKER_00 (32:48):
Yeah.
Oh, I guess uh oh yeah, uh passball on uh strike three.
SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
Drop third strike.
There's seven.
Boom! Boom! Kyle got it.
He got it.
And if you got it before him,well, you're just that much
better than Kyle.
But he tried.
That was that was a heck of aneffort.
You rattled the first like fouror five off.
I was when I first read thatquestion, I was stumped.
I looked at it and I was like,oh man, it's seven ways to reach
(33:18):
first base.
And I was thinking to myself,like, I'm a brewer fan.
I know all those ways becausethey just do those silly things
to reach base.
It's not like we're the Yankees,they only they don't reach first
base.
It's home runner bus with themYankees.
It's like, oh yeah, I know, Iknow how to get there with the
catcher's interference.
Sal Frilix taught me how to dothat all season long.
So I know all about those.
So that was a great one.
That was a great mellow, yellowminute there.
(33:39):
So, Kyle, this NFL, the NFLweekend that it was, no
undefeated teams left.
No undefeated teams left, Kyle.
That was a crazy weekend in itsown way.
But we have to do Kyle's powerrankings for the week here.
Kyle, coming off of that weekfive.
unknown (33:58):
Right?
SPEAKER_01 (33:58):
Week five.
Yeah, we're on week, we're onweek six now.
Holy crap, it's already week sixof the NFL season.
That's how crazy it's been.
Coming off of week five, what doyou got?
AFC top five.
Who are in your AFC top five forthe power rankings right now?
As there's no undefeated teamsleft in the entire league right
now.
SPEAKER_00 (34:17):
There is some movement.
I have a new number five.
Ooh.
I'm putting the Jags in atnumber five after beating the
Chiefs Monday night.
I I've been kind of holding offon really giving them credit,
but they they are playing well.
I feel like defensively, they'rebetter than I thought.
(34:37):
And then offensively, they theyhave their moments.
You know, Brian Thomas Jr.
still needs to kind of pick hisplayup, but look, they're four
and one.
I gotta give them credit, so Iput the Jags at five.
I have the Patriots at fourcoming off of their win in
Buffalo on Sunday night.
I I think what you're seeing isDrake May looks like the guy at
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quarterback, and thendefensively they bottled up
James Cook.
A lot of teams can't do that.
And they picked off Josh Allenas well.
Big win there.
I have the Patriots at four.
I put the Broncos at three.
Love their defense.
Um Benito had a good gameagainst the Eagles.
They won a tough game againstthe Philly team that's really
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good.
Uh Bo Nicks is a good youngquarterback as well.
Sean Payton is coach.
I have them at three.
I'm putting the Colts at twobecause they right now they're
just playing really goodfootball.
You know, Daniel Jones has founda coach and a system that fits
for him, and they're they'regetting it done, so I gotta put
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them at two.
I still have the Bills at onedespite the loss to New England.
I still think they're a reallygood team.
It was just that circumstancesuh were as they were.
Drake may play out of his mind,played really well.
Maybe it caught them off guard.
And I know that they said Ithink the the OC, yeah, Joe
Brady said like he was surprisedby some of the stuff that the
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Patriots did on defense.
So they'll probably be betterprepared later in the season,
but I have this I saw the Billsat one.
So no Chiefs in the top fivethis week.
I I feel like they they showedsome flaws again against the
Jags that weren't there againstBaltimore because Baltimore's
just in such disarray right now.
SPEAKER_01 (36:25):
The the the quickest drop, I would say, is the
Chargers.
The Chargers out of that topfive.
It's two weeks in a row of justdismantling losses.
I mean, you lose to the Giants,Jackson Darts first game out,
you lose to him, and then thecommanders they rattle off how
many on uh what was that finalscore that game?
27 to 10, and it was in LA.
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That's that's rough.
That is a bad loss to take athome when you were supposed to
be a bounce back game, and itjust went sideways on him.
So that their charges arestarting to struggle.
I do, I enjoy what the Patriotshave right now.
Stefan Diggs, as much as peoplewanted to say he was a problem,
and he might very well still bea problem.
He has done wonders for DrakeMay.
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You saw a couple, I saw a routethat he ran.
I was just scrolling throughsocial media, and I saw a route
that he ran, and he ended uplike working his way back to the
ball for Drake May, who's in uhtrouble there.
It's just a beautiful route.
And just those little thingsthat he can do for quarterbacks.
So I I love those rankings rightthere.
Bills, yes, they got to stay atone.
They the Patriots beat him, yes,but if you looked at it, would
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you take him nine times out often?
Kyle Woody's Patriots fan.
I don't know if I would take abet and man, I would take the
Patriots over the Bills again,but it happened.
So, I mean, that's all thatmatters.
They won the head to head.
That's all that matters at theend of the day.
So I I do I like those, theJaguars with the tripperuski
there.
Trevor Lawrence somehow finds away to get back up and get into
the end zone, and the Chiefsjust fall once again.
That an old thing, it's I thinkit's it's Travis Kelsey just
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needs to get a haircut.
I I don't know what's going onwith his hair, his hairstyle
these days and everything, butthe whole Taylor Swift
experience is just taking thatChiefs Kingdom and just taking
it down right with it.
So, anyways, anyways, let's flipover into the NFC.
Uh, what do you got?
NFC, no, like like we saidbefore, no unbeaten teams left
in the NFC.
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So, Kyle, what do you like?
NFC top five.
SPEAKER_00 (38:14):
So, NFC, I've got the uh Seahawks at five.
I I'm big on the Seahawks thisyear.
I I still think they couldpossibly win that division
defensively.
I like what they do, and Darnoldstill looks good despite the
loss of the Bucks, who I do havein my top five, so I'm not gonna
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punish them too much for that.
I have the Niners at four.
The Niners are doing it withpatchwork and mirrors, and
they're still winning.
You know, Purdy's been out, sowhat?
Kiddo's been out, so what?
Juwan Jennings, Bosa, likethey're missing a lot of guys.
But Robert Salah has the defenseplaying well, and Mac Jones, you
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gotta give him credit.
He's looked good with KendrickBourne.
SPEAKER_01 (39:00):
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (39:01):
Uh, three out of the Bucks.
I just like what Baker's doing.
That you know, Bucks Seahawksgame was really fun to watch.
And I keep saying this (39:10):
if you're gonna beat the Bucks, you
have to take them out.
If you give them an opportunityto win it, Baker's gonna find a
way to get it done.
Two out of the Eagles.
Yes, the loss to the to theBroncos is whatever, but there's
still something missingoffensively.
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They can't get Saquon Barkleygoing.
That's such a big part of theiroffense.
So I dropped them down to two.
My new number one is the DetroitLions.
I I just like their identity.
They line up, they play smashmouth football.
If you want to stop that, theycan beat you with the precision
passing game from golf.
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They want to throw some fun inthere, they'll throw a trick
play in there, and they don'tcare.
They'll do whatever, and theyright now, to me, are the best
team in the NFC.
SPEAKER_01 (40:01):
I love it.
I love it.
I agree with that all the waythrough.
And it's it's crazy to thinkthat the Packers beat the Lions
week one.
Yeah.
And after that game, we all sathere and said, Wow, the Lions
have really taken a step back,and the Packers are now the top
they're top cheese, right?
No pun intended, top cheesethere.
And it, I mean, the Packers arestill they're still a darn good
(40:22):
football team.
Like nobody we we can't holdagainst them.
Dak Prescott's playing like anMVP again.
I don't know what's up hissleeve down there in Dallas, but
he's playing like he could winthe MVP.
And then the Browns, it's it iscrazy to think that a defense
could win you an entire game,but a defense can win you a
game.
And the Browns defense is thatdefense that can win you a game,
and they did against Green Bay.
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So the Packers loss and tie areagainst two really, I mean, the
the Cowboys defense isn't great,but that offense, when they're
going, Zach Prescott played on adifferent level that night in
Dallas.
And it was crazy to see, youknow, Jordan Love just be able
to go toe-to-toe with them inthat game.
And then the Browns, I mean,that defense is just wow.
That that defense is darn good.
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You give them any kind ofoffense, any kind of offense.
And they are gonna go win somefootball games.
We saw it.
I mean, they they probablyshould have won that game over
in London, but ended up losingthat to the Vikings there.
So, I mean, I just uh it was agood weekend.
It was a good weekend all theway around in NFL.
But Kyle, as always, I need somefantasy players.
Everybody out there is infantasy football right now.
(41:24):
Maybe they're struggling,they're at the bottom right now,
maybe they're one and four, ohand five.
They need to pull off a win thisweek.
Kyle, what are some playersyou're looking at this week that
you need, fantasy players thatyou're looking at that's these
guys need to pick up?
SPEAKER_00 (41:37):
So, first guy, Rico Dowdle coming off of a 200 200
plus running game, he gets thatCowboys defense this week.
I think for Bryce Young, feedhim the rock.
See if he can't take somepressure off of you.
According to ESPN, he'savailable in like 41% of the
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leagues.
So why not go pick him up foryou know depth at your running
back position?
Also, with the uh bye weekscoming up and everything,
usually guys are like picking upand dropping defenses weekly.
Why not go ahead and take thatColts defense?
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They have my head written downhere who they are this week.
Um I just lost it.
Hold on a second.
Oh, they have the Cardinals.
Duh, that's what it was.
They have the Cardinals thisweek.
Cardinals are coming off thattough loss of the Titans.
I I don't know how motivatedthey're gonna be.
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They seem distraught, they seemlike they might be a team that
kind of fades uh towards thebottom of that division and some
separation.
So take the Colts defense,they're pretty good.
Cardinals offense struggling.
Why not?
And then the last one I will sayI'm kind of surprised this guy
is still really relativelyavailable.
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Romeo Dubbs.
Ooh, he's available in like 55%of leagues on ESPN.
They're facing Cincinnati'sdefense.
Cincinnati, not that greatdefensively.
Why not?
Coming off the bye.
The Packers should have a goodgame plan to go against
Cincinnati.
Take Romeo Dubbs.
SPEAKER_01 (43:21):
The biggest problem with the Packers is that they
have so many wide receivers, andand Jordan Love, and well, it's
not that they have so many, it'sthat Jordan Love isn't Aaron
Rodgers.
He doesn't have a favorite.
He has a lot of guys and he'llthrow it to anybody on any given
drive, any given play.
He's chucking it around.
That's what I think makes thePackers so unappealing when it
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comes to wide receivers, is youcould go one game, Matthew
Golden could go for 190 yards,and then the next game he's
gonna give you 20 while RomeoDobbs goes for 170.
So you got it's a nice mix, butit's not good for fantasy, for
fantasy out there.
But I agree.
This week, Bengals, the Packershave got to light him up.
They just have to.
This is the week to take somewide receivers from Green Bank.
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So I love that one of RomeoDobbs.
So, Kyle, let's flip scripthere.
MLB playoffs.
As we're talking, as you guysknow, pre-recorded, we don't
know the outcomes of the youknow, Blue Jays and Yankees
series and the what the Marinersin Detroit is.
That one's gonna be for surestill happening as we're talking
today.
The Yankees, though, they'redown 6'1 to Toronto again.
(44:26):
They're not even close in thisseries.
This this thing is turning uglyon this Yankees team fast.
So, Kyle, I guess initialreaction off the MLB playoffs so
far.
What are you seeing right now?
Maybe that you like that.
I mean, what what are someseries that you liked?
What are some performancesyou've liked?
You know, what what are youseeing right now in this MLB
playoff?
SPEAKER_00 (44:46):
Yeah, look, I think the the Blue Jays Yankees are
it's kind of going the way I Ithought it would.
Maybe not necessarily a sweep ifit does happen, but you know,
the Yankees got past the RedSox.
When you look at that, game two,they luck out.
Trevor Story hits like a395-foot out with the bases
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loaded, otherwise, they getswept there.
And then game three, the Red Soxhad nobody available.
Remember, Giolito was out, May'sbeen out, so they went with the
young guy early, and the Yankeestook advantage.
This Blue Jays team is healthy,and what we're seeing is they
don't miss you know, mistakeswhere the Yankees struggle to
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put hits together.
The Blue Jays don't.
Like Vladdy Guerrero's had agreat series.
He's the I guess anti-judge.
He comes with a big spot, he'sgetting hits.
Judges striking out with basesloaded and stuff like that,
which has been the Yankees'issue for years and just reared
its head against the Blue Jays.
(45:51):
I think Mariner's Tigers hasbeen a lot of fun, even though
it comes on later and later atnight.
But I feel like those two teamsare evenly matched.
I think whoever comes out ofthat would make a good opponent
for the Blue Jays.
I feel like we're gonna getsomebody new come out of the
American League.
I'm always a fan of that.
National League, the Philliesare kind of running into the
(46:12):
Yankee issues.
Big spots, they're notcapitalizing.
And for a team that was so goodall year, they're they're
they're gone.
And you know, the Dodgers were ateam that I feel like you didn't
want to necessarily buy into,but it seems like they're
hitting their stride at theright time.
And then the Brewers are a teamthat I would love to see make
(46:37):
the World Series.
I made a joke a couple of times,like I would love to see like
Mariners, uh, Brewers, justbecause I feel like the league
office would be like, oh crap,we have to like market players
that we normally don't.
And I'm like, good, becausethat's what you're supposed to
do.
But Brewers also won a gameslugging it.
(46:57):
We talked about before, likethey're gonna play small ball,
the speed game, they're hittinghome runs.
So they're showing you like theycan beat you different ways,
which is a dangerous thing inOctober.
So the playoffs have been a lotof fun.
Uh I feel like we're we'reprobably gonna get maybe an
upstart kind of team that a lotof the country may not watch a
(47:20):
lot in a World Series matchup,and I'm that's what I always
root for, especially if the RedSox are out.
As long as the Yankees don'tmake it there, I'm happy, and it
looks like they're gonna go outquietly.
SPEAKER_01 (47:33):
That's the that's the fun.
Well, you're hoping for a goodseries, but at the same time,
Kyle's a Red Sox fan, so hedoesn't want to, he doesn't care
at all with the Yankees.
He wants them to get swept outof there.
I have a question.
So I before I have to let you gohere.
Yeah.
The Brewers, you mentioned theBrewers there, and I think you
said it perfectly.
Game one, they hit eight toscore those first nine runs that
they had.
They hit eight singles, threedoubles.
(47:55):
That's how they brought in allthose runs.
No bounce.
They just hit the crap out ofthe ball.
Game two, I don't know if theylooked at the media or what, but
they were talking a lot of crap.
They said, Well, this brewerteam can't hit home runs.
They can't do this.
I don't know, that ticked themoff because they said, All
right, we can hit home runs, wecan do it too.
And they slugged their way to agame two win.
(48:15):
I am I'm really wondering this.
You look at what the Blue Jaysare doing.
They're hitting the baseball,they're putting the ball in
play, doing those things.
You look at a team like theDodgers, even the Dodgers, they
aren't hitting bombs to getthere necessarily.
They're they're putting the ballin play, they're getting on,
they're doing those things,keeping the line moving.
The Phillies, the Yankees, thoseare teams built for home runs.
Which, and the Cubs.
(48:36):
You look statistically, oh yeah,they have a lot of RBIs, they
have a lot of home runs, but youlook at the averages and you say
to yourself, the averages don'tlook pretty.
Do you think there's somethingto be said about that?
They're telling me, oh, well,you can't win in October if you
can't hit home runs.
I don't think that's the I don'tthink that's the truth.
I just think you haven't seen itin a while because nobody does
it anymore.
(48:57):
Nobody attempts to just hit theball and put it in play like the
Brewers try to do, like theMariners, like the Blue Jays.
They all think the big the longball is the way to go.
So, Kyle, I mean, is thatpartially maybe what we're
seeing right now is teams whoare just willing to just hit the
ball, put the ball in play,shorten up and put it out there.
Those are the teams takingadvantage.
And I mean, 2-0, 2-0, 2-0, 1-1series tie, leading probably to
(49:21):
a 2-1 series there.
I think Tigers and Mariners area little bit equal in that sense
there.
But you look at the rest of theseries, I I'm that's kind of
where I'm looking.
SPEAKER_00 (49:30):
Yeah, I I feel like the regular season, yes, home
run, the long ball plays in theregular season because depending
on matchups, you get weakerpitchers and everything like
that, and you just takeadvantage.
Once you get to the postseason,you're usually facing the top
three guys in every team'srotation, and that's where the
(49:50):
Yankees failed against theAstros a lot.
Astros had really good pitchingthat could minimize the long
ball ability from the Yankees,and that's what the Dodgers are
doing to the Phillies.
And teams like that will getfrustrated easily if they can't
hit home runs, and then theyjust start swinging wildly and
forcing more outs.
Teams that can do it both ways,it's the better way to approach
(50:14):
October because with some ofthese games, you could have like
a one-one game in the eighth,and all it takes to win it is a
little bloop over the shortstop.
You bring in that second run,and if your bullpen is set up
correctly, you can win that way.
You don't you don't need toswing for the fences every time
(50:34):
up.
And these pitchers are just sogood and they throw so fast,
they throw just such a widearray of pitches that they can
catch you off balance, and thenyou're looking crazy at the
plate.
So give me the Brewers and thattype of approach over the
Yankees any day.
And I've said it, that's whythey have gone so long without
winning a World Series becausethose power hitters haven't
(50:57):
shown up in October.
And when you build your lineuparound those guys, then the
other guys put too much pressureon themselves, and they get out
of their kind of routine andwhat they want to do.
So gotta build your lineup tobeat you multiple ways to win in
October.
SPEAKER_01 (51:13):
100% agree.
You fall behind like theYankees, like these other teams
do.
You try to slug your way backinto it.
And sometimes that's not theway.
That's not the way to buzzthrough.
You got to put pressure onpitchers, defenses, and when
you're just swinging for thefences, sometimes it's actually
easier to pitch to those guys.
So, Kyle, thank you as always.
I gotta run here.
Thank you as always for stoppingby tonight here.
Let the people know where tofind you out there across social
(51:33):
media.
SPEAKER_00 (51:34):
Yeah, just go to YouTube and Facebook, Chompin at
the Bit.
You'll find the links to myother socials there.
Easiest way to find me.
SPEAKER_01 (51:41):
You guys gotta do it.
Right now, we have ML, or not,we have MLB playoffs happening,
so you gotta check him outthere.
He's talking about that.
He's talking NBA preseason, he'stalking NFL, he's got all kinds
of stuff across there.
So make sure you're checking himout, Chomping at the Bit
Podcast.
Thank you as always, Kyle, forstopping by.
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We're gonna talk a little bitmore Packers here, get ready for
this Bengals game.
And we went to the break, and Iasked you guys the question.
I said, if this Packers teamcan't find a way to take care of
the Bengals and basically stompthem as we believe they should.
(01:04):
I think they're going to thisgame.
What are they?
Like 14 point.
They're 14-point favorites inthis one, I'm pretty sure.
Which I know doesn't seem likeit's does that seem crazy?
I don't know.
It is in the NFL world, that is.
14 points is a lot.
Usually, games that they expectto be blowouts, the favorite is
like seven.
Like, so the 14 is a lot.
That's a lot on the bettingline.
(01:24):
So they're favored by 14 and ahalf.
Is this game to you?
It's good.
I think it tells us a lot.
I really do.
Yeah.
Is this game?
Is this game gonna tell you alot about where this Packers
team is at due to the outcome ofthis?
SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
I I think that um I don't feel like these next two
games against the Bengals andthe Cardinals are gonna be a
true depiction as to where thePackers are at.
I feel the reason why I say thatis because when you look at the
Bengals, yeah, they got Flacco,they have some amazing weapons
on offense, but their offensiveline is almost as bad, if not
(02:03):
worse, than the Browns was.
And their defense is nowhereeven close to being as good as
the Browns was.
Now they got some good passrushers.
Now, don't get me wrong, but youknow, uh Shamar Stewart hasn't
really played most of the year.
I don't know if he'll be in forthis game, but Hendrickson is a
beast.
But that's about it, though.
I don't need the floor to get uhtoo scared about one pass rusher
(02:25):
again, like he did with MilesGarrett.
Uh but truth be told, I feellike this should be a game will
be at home.
That's another big difference,right?
It should be a game that, ifanything, shows that the offense
should pick up where he left offin Dallas, and then defensively,
we should have a better outputthan we did against the Cowboys.
(02:48):
Same thing with the Cardinals.
I feel like the Cardinals nextweek up, not trying to think too
far in advance, but Kyle Murrayhas been very inconsistent.
I'm a Murray fan, but he hasbeen so inconsistent, I'm having
a hard time supporting him.
And on top of that, too, theyhave a lot of things going on
there.
We got coaches, you know, youknow, semi-fighting players for
making some really boneheadmistakes, and then God knows
what else is going on overthere.
Yeah, but the truth be told isthese next two games are like
(03:12):
maybe get right games for thePackers, right?
And I don't want to I'll put itthis way if they if they come
out and lay an egg, okay, thenyou might be right.
We might be concerned aboutsomething, okay?
Like because this defense isprobably one of the worst
defenses we've we're gonna faceall year.
I mean, that's they you know,they hired a call a college
coach out of uh Notre Dame, Ibelieve, and they get it traded
(03:35):
away a lot of assets, they gaveup on Lou Amaro, who's killing
it right now in Indianapolis.
And yeah, I mean, if anything,maybe a shootout because you
know, maybe Flacco get the ballto their monster weapons with uh
Chase and Higgins.
Uh, but no, I I definitely thinkthat this should be a game where
they're walking away prettyhappy with uh at least a
(03:55):
two-score win, you know.
Like, yep, back to our lastsegment, it's one of those
things where we just need theoffense, we need the floor to
stop playing nice, if that makessense.
SPEAKER_01 (04:05):
I agree 100%.
Like you said in the firstsegment, they're all gas, no
breaks.
That's 100%.
I agree with you there.
And this is a game, I just feellike if you have, and you don't
want to say, like, oh, what I'mgonna see here in week six of
the NFL season is gonna dictatewhat the end of this year is
gonna look like.
But I'm saying it right now, ifyou can't, if this game is like
(04:26):
24 to 21, I don't come away fromthis feeling great.
You won.
Go good, you won, but you won bya field goal against a team who
has no business being on thesame field as you.
If you have Super Bowlaspirations, you you have to at
some point here put together acomplete game for me.
Look like, look like you are theteam that we went into the year
(04:50):
thinking you were.
When you got Micah Parsons, andwe were and everybody said, Oh
boy, watch out for this team.
This defense is darn good.
Micah Parsons isn't even playingfull time yet, and this defense
is this good.
What's gonna happen when he'sfirst playing full time?
They're gonna give up 48 pointsto the Dallas Cowboys.
That's how good it was gonnaget.
You have to figure something inthis game, like you said, over
(05:10):
these next couple weeks here,something has to give to the
point where we look at this teamand say, Yep, that's the team we
were expecting.
This is the team that I wasready to watch.
This is it.
Yeah, this is something they'rebuilding off of.
Because right now, if youactually look at it, what they
had to start the year to now,it's like they got hot and
cooled off right away.
(05:31):
So now what?
Where do you go from here?
These are two weeks in a rowwhere I'm saying to myself, I
want to see this team fulfillthat 14-point dog right there.
I want to see them let JordanLove run wild.
And it's the hard part, right?
You you have a terrible defense,yet the Bengals still have good
weapons.
And now you had Joe Flacco, aguy to just deliver the football
to him.
That might be a good thing forhim.
(05:52):
But this offensive line for theBengals, as you alluded to,
stinks.
They stink.
So this pass rush for the GreenBay Packers, I hope they can get
home.
I hope they can, because if theycan't, I'm worried about that
too.
There's a lot of things in herewhere you watch either it's that
defensive line, the cornerbacks,I don't know about that because
you got Jamar Chase, you got T.
Higgins.
(06:12):
That's gonna be a whole nothermess.
But if you look at this, if thedefensive line can't get home,
the offensive line is strugglingagain, and the wide receivers
can't get open and Jordan Lovecan't move the ball and the run
game can't get going.
Okay, I'm worried now.
I am majorly worried becauseoutside of Trey Hendrickson and
some decent pass rush, it'snothing.
There's nothing there to writehome about.
(06:34):
So, yes, if they do not, if theydo not go into this game and
stomp this team, I am I'mworried.
I am just I don't, I'm notsaying flush the season and like
we got to trade it all away andwe got to fire people, but I am
definitely worried about thedirection of this team, and I
think it's gonna put into a lotof questions and the Matt
LaFleur, like we were talkingabout there in segment one,
(06:55):
where we said, well, you know,about this team and the
leadership and the movingforward and everything like
that, it's definitely gonna begthose questions to move in even
more.
And then LaFleur is gonna have alot of questions to answer if
this does not look good afterthis one.
So looking at this Bengals game,okay.
I had one thing real quick.
SPEAKER_02 (07:11):
I had one thing real quick.
You got it, you got it.
All right, so last thing I wantto say about that Cowboys game.
The quarterback coach for Mr.
uh whatchamacallit BrianSchottheimer was the former OC
at Boston College.
Mark Eccles talked about this onPack a Day with Jason Perome.
I actually talked about onTwitter.
And I think that is the reasonwhy that offense looks so good
(07:33):
against our defense, because hehad that institutional knowledge
of how Halfley runs his defense,right?
No different than when Shanahanand Peton would go against each
other because you know Shanahanwas Peton's OC too, right?
And we played them in 2019.
He eviscerated us because hesaid if we went up against this
defense, I would have so much,it would be so easy for him.
(07:54):
And he proved it.
So just I feel like that mightbe a reason why our defense
didn't look as good as it did.
And also they know Parsonsbetter than anybody because they
hadn't for 40 years.
So with that being said, nowthey've got the Bengals, now we
got one of the worst rankeddefenses going up against us.
What were you saying?
I'm so sorry.
I hope I no, no, no, you'regood, you're good.
SPEAKER_01 (08:13):
That I I actually that was a great fact that you
just brought into it, and thatalso brings into the question of
how good is Jeff Afflee?
Because, and this is why I saybecause if they do see the
Dallas Cowboys again, becausethe Cowboys are playing some
good football, there's apotential maybe something crazy
happens and they end up gettinginto the playoffs some way,
shape, or how, whatever.
Maybe you do see a Cowboys teamagain.
(08:35):
I mean, I'm not saying it'sgonna happen, but maybe you do
see a Cowboys team again.
What happens round two?
You know, that's that's kind ofwhere I'm looking at is like
what happens in round two?
I'm not saying Dallas Cowboysare gonna go to the playoffs or
anything like that, but it itdoes have that question of, you
know, because you want to seeeven an adjustment at halftime,
because I don't know if thePackers made a good adjustment
(08:55):
at halftime to what was going onthere.
So Jeff Halfley, at the end ofthe day, like you're saying, he
got, I mean, outcoached by a guywho knows him.
So it's a question of how doesJeff Halfley come back from
that?
And what does the defense showfrom there?
So I that's a great fact, andit's a great, it's gonna be a
great uh to see how Jeff Halfleyresponds now to this is my worst
called game of my entire NFLcareer.
(09:18):
How do I come back from this?
It's gonna tell you a lot aboutJeff Halfley, and will we see
him as a defensive coordinatornext year or head coach?
Because these are the thingsthat other teams are looking at
too, when they're saying tothemselves, okay, what were his
worst games and how did hebounce back?
Because that's where we look atMatt LaFleur too, and where we
judge him is okay, we're sayingthat one of well, the bank the
(09:38):
Browns game wasn't a great gamecalled by Matt LaFleur.
The Cowboys game, it was a goodgame called by him, but some
questionable moments.
So now it's like, okay, how doyou come back against this
Bengals team?
How'd he come back against theCardinals?
That's how you judge headcoaches, that's how you judge
coordinators.
So I guess we're gonna see whatkind of happens there.
But what's going to this Banglesgame?
We got just a little bit here.
(09:59):
Yeah, Joe Flacco comes over.
Yep.
Does that change your opinion awhole lot about you know what we
saw or what we were gonna see inJake Browning?
Does that change that uh thatfeeling you have about this
game?
SPEAKER_02 (10:13):
I mean, not really, because I mean Browning isn't
he's a vet too.
He's just a backup vet, right?
Flacco is a you know formerSuper Bowl champ, things like
that.
You know, he was definitelygetting the ball out pretty
quick.
Um, I do feel like the offensiveline for the Bengals is just
nowhere, it's your worst, eventhough ranking-wise they're one
up, but one step like they'rethe second worst, and the Browns
(10:36):
were the worst.
There's something about thatoffensive line where having
Flacco back there, I don't thinkit makes a difference.
And he will be the kind of dudewho can get the ball to Higgins
and Chase if he has time.
Question is will he have time?
I don't know if he'll have timeagainst this our defense.
I really don't.
I mean, I think the defense isprobably very upset about the
(10:57):
way the game ended with the withthe Cowboys and how they were
literally probably they werethey were close to 10 sacks that
they just were just either onesecond too close or just missed
by a hair, right?
Yeah, and I'm hoping that theycan make it up.
And also, Parsons did sayFlacco's one of the quarterbacks
he has not sacked, and he didn'tget any sacks in that Browns
game, so maybe he gets his getback.
(11:19):
And for a guy who's a part-timeplayer and didn't play in week
five to lead the league inpressures means he's pretty good
at doing something.
SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
Pretty darn good at doing something.
I would agree 100%.
I agree 100% there.
This game coming up, bangles,like we just talked about.
I I you wouldn't say there's alot riding on it because there's
a lot of season left.
As Amers trying not to hack up alung here in the mic, but yes,
yes.
Um there's a lot of season left,so we're not saying like, you
(11:49):
know, what the outcome of thisis gonna hit everything, but
what we're seeing.
SPEAKER_02 (11:53):
Not doom and gloom, not doom and gloom.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:55):
Yep, the this this game right here is going to tell
us a lot about the direction ofthis team right now, where it's
heading, Matt LaFleur'sleadership, getting this thing
right, riding the ship in themoment.
Because sometimes we we didn'tsee it at halftime, right?
As we were just talking aboutthere with Jeff Halfway.
We didn't see the adjustments athalftime in the Cowboys game
like we wanted to see, I guess.
(12:15):
So, what do we see now foradjustments moving forward here
for this Packers team,especially without like a
Devontae Wyatt in there and guyslike that?
The offensive line's been bangedup, the adjustments that we're
gonna see Matt LaFleur make.
So, Ummer, I got to run here.
Thank you as always for stoppingby.
Let the people know where tofind you out there across social
media.
SPEAKER_02 (12:32):
I was gonna say, uh, you guys can find me on uh
Twitter at AMAR3455, uh Coast toCoast Packers.
Uh, we took a bye week just likethe Packers did.
We'll be back Thursday night,probably looking at probably
7.15 to 7:30 uh central time.
And plan is to talk everythingwe did here and probably a
little bit more, go into moredetail about some things.
Uh, and as always, you can findus on Instagram, you can find us
(12:54):
on TikTok, Kick, and Twitter,and all that good stuff.
And Tra as always, thank you forhaving me, man.
SPEAKER_01 (12:59):
No problem.
It's my pleasure having you onhere every single week.
Make sure you guys are checkingthem out there across social
media.
Make sure you guys check outCoast the Ghost on Thursday
there as we dive deeper into thePackers and what to expect in
that Bengals game.
So, with that, thank you asalways, Ummer Kyle stopping by
next.
We got some NFL talk to get to,we got some MLB playoffs to talk
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(13:20):
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And the Marathon varsityvolleyball coach witnessed a
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They were cheering against eachother, even though at the end of
the day they were all marathonfans.
They were fans of the game thatnight, and that was awesome.
So this came out of Marathon.
I don't really, I don't have theopposing team on here who they
were playing that night.
All I know is that studentsections split themselves up,
one half cheering for thisopposing team while the other
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half cheered for marathon.
That was awesome to see.
That was awesome to seesomething like that.
Just a just a feel-good storyfor your Wednesday here.
So hats off to that, everybody,everybody involved there and to
the marathon school district.
That was awesome to see there.
So Ummer is here.
Umer, how are we doing on thisWednesday?
SPEAKER_02 (15:47):
I'm good, man.
It's it's been a crazy, crazyyear, I think.
I think um we're already like inthe second week of week of
October, which is kind of wild.
The year's gone by really fast.
Uh, all in all, work has beenstill crazy.
Uh, I had a really greatweekend, and um, the bye week
was definitely needed, just needto not be stressed out about
Packers football for one weekendin my life.
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And uh had a lot of plans, somefriends, some family, and you
know, school's going reallywell, and work is crazy, but
going well, and just reallylooking forward now to another
week of us talking about Packersfootball, football, and just see
what this week brings.
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How are you doing?
I see that the brewers are doingwell, my friend.
SPEAKER_01 (16:34):
The brewers are rolling.
It is fantastic.
It is fantastic.
What's going on with the brewersright now?
Then I just had that feel-goodstory I just read off there that
made it even better.
So, I mean, yeah, you you can'tbeat it.
You can't beat it.
Plus, we're here talking sports.
So, I mean, what else could youpossibly want?
We're here talking sports on aWednesday night.
So, love it.
Love to hear that you're doinggreat tonight here.
The Packers, I don't know, you'dsay they limped into the bye
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week.
It wasn't a great way to go intothe bye week.
They had the tie with theDallas, or they had first they
had the loss to the Browns, thenthey had the tie with the Dallas
Cowboys.
So, not a great way to go intoyour bye week, but could have
been worse, right?
Could have been worse.
That was still a heck of and andokay.
I I went I went back, I watchedthe Dallas Cowboys game.
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I felt better after watching it.
I I really did.
There was some silly thingsstill in there, I would agree.
Like there's still some badthings.
But what made me feel good wasJordan Love went toe-to-toe with
a guy right now who coulddefinitely be up for MVP.
You could definitely say DakPrescott has played like an MVP
quarterback at this very momentin the season.
And Jordan Love went to hisbuilding and went toe-to-toe
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with him.
When he had to match a drive, hedid it.
Dak would go down and score,Jordan would go and score.
Dak would lead this drive,Jordan led this drive.
That gave me so much hope andpromise.
I thought play calling wasstupid.
So I, if you ask me, like that'swhere I was at with that.
I hate using the word stupid,but terrible, right?
Play calling was terrible inthose in some of those moments.
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And I thought Jordan looked likea deer in headlights at the end.
Now, that comes back to for mepreparation.
Preparation, not just by him,but by the coaching staff, by
all these guys, guys on theoffensive line, doesn't matter
who it was.
You did not see Rush in any ofthose guys at the end of that
game.
So I still come back to in thisbye week.
If you're Matt LaFleur, you'resaying to yourself, I need to
find some leaders on theoffense.
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Jordan Love might be, and Iguess this would be where I want
to start.
I think the offense still lacksleadership.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
Like those leaders who push, Ithink they have guys who pushed
guys.
I think Jordan Love is a leaderof this team, but what I saw in
that last 30 seconds, where itcould have not ended in a tie
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because they had one second lefton that ball yet.
So it could have definitelyended with a loss by the Green
Bay Packers.
Right.
Watching that, I said to myself,they don't have urgency, which
comes from I don't want to sayfrom a true leader, but a guy
who has that respect.
Where even a guy like JoshJacobs, somebody in there to
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say, let's go, hustle, somebodyrun, somebody tell these guys,
let's go, we gotta move.
There was nobody, nobody on thefield that was running, that was
hustling, that looked like theyhad urgency, except for Matt
LaFleur, who was screaming onthe sideline.
But he can only do so much.
ATT Stadium's blowing up rightnow.
Like you you can't just expectyour coach to control it all.
So I guess that would be is thata concern to you, I guess.
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In my in my opinion, it isbecause you don't have that
sense of urgency, which I thinkcomes from a guy who has the
ability to push these guys andsay, let's go, let's move.
Is that a concern to you on theoffensive side of football right
now?
SPEAKER_02 (19:41):
No, and the reason why I say that is when I watched
that last Thursday night gamewith the Niners and the Rams,
and I watched how like theywere, I feel like there was
maybe a little bit, and maybewe're never gonna hear the truth
about this, right?
But maybe there was a little bitof like we want to kill as much
of the clock as possible thatway, like if for some reason
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they get the ball back, theydon't have a chance to score
something, right?
But my logic was with all thatbeing said, maybe LaFleur kind
of forgot the rules and notthought about hey, if we score a
touchdown here, it's game over.
It doesn't matter what happens,right?
So, because of that, because wehave seen Jordan run a
two-minute, we've seen him inthat Saints game in 2023, where
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he had to be able to take theteam back and get them in
scoring distance.
He was running up to the line,he was clocking the ball, he was
very efficient with the time.
We've seen him being able to dothat.
So I felt like what willwhatever was going on in that
game was almost orchestrated toa certain degree, which I don't
100% agree with, but that maybethat was their plan going into
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it, right?
Because they did have two playscalled, but again, like you
said, there was this poordecision making, poor play
calling, and then there's somelack of urgency that maybe was
supposed to occur, was planned.
But even with all that beingsaid, it's like you score a
touchdown, it's a it's a itdoesn't matter, nothing matters
at that point, yeah, right.
And you're kind of taking theball out of Jordan's hand there
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because you know you're callingplays that weren't allowing him
to drive the ball downfield, youknow what I'm saying?
And so I personally don't thinkthat there's an issue with
leadership because hisleadership is different than
Rogers.
You know, Rogers he had thatthin line of competitiveness and
arrogance, right?
And if you win, you're a highlycompetitive dude.
Brady would get the same kind ofthing, but when you lose, now
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you're an arrogant, not so niceperson, and you're getting you
know, you're getting trashed on,right?
Jordan's not either one of thosethings, he's a very quiet,
go-lucky dude.
Not he's very like not veryhigh, not very low.
He'd say he's pretty consistent.
So again, you have a rookie outthere, you have a makeshift
line.
I'm not trying to make an excusebecause of youth, but like there
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was just something missingthere, and I completely agree
with you when you don't havethat like veteran leadership.
But Jacobs is a leader, likehe's a veteran, he's your leader
guy on there, right?
Maybe I think Jordan is in thatposition too.
But even then, though, I justfeel like maybe there was
something, there's somemiscommunication between the
floor, maybe there was somethinggoing on we don't know about,
and then no one's gonna admit toit at this point.
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But that whole sequence ofevents didn't make any sense
after what you just saw thewhole game and how that offense
was really running down thefield.
So I feel like hopefully thisbye week taught them a lesson to
kind of self-scout, figure outwhat they were doing wrong, as
well as looking at games acrossthe league where they were
watching a lot of these gamesthat went to overtime and saw
what these teams did in thosesituations.
SPEAKER_01 (22:36):
I think I agree with you.
I'm I'm going both ways.
I I I agree, but I say it, youknow, you you kind of pushed me
into saying this is aboutLaFleur, too.
This is about saying that it wasa combo.
It was a combo of saying hisurgency in the moment, plus
Jordan Love's urgency in thisoffense's urgency in the moment.
You put them together, it wasn'tgood.
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And it begs the question thenwho needs to step up and be that
guy in that moment.
I think it's love.
I think it is, you know, and Ithink you said it perfectly.
Nobody understood it in themoment.
You have makeshift offensiveline, you have all these moving
pieces.
I get that.
But I think Jordan Love has tobe the guy to say, okay, let's
go.
Let's go.
Get up to the line, get up tothe line.
We I can call it at the line.
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We know that he can.
He can call this offense at theline.
Let's get up there, let's getset.
My wide receivers are justbasically pushing downfield.
So run me a route and just myoffensive line block for me.
Let's go.
Just get up to the line, let'sdo it.
Call something out quick, let'sroll with it.
That's where I guess my problemcame in.
It was so slow.
It was slow.
It was there, was it was almostlike, ah, well, okay, we're
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settling here.
We don't want to try and do toomuch.
And then you look at and we talkabout these coaches in the NFC
North, even like a Dan Campbell,like a Kevin O'Connell.
They'll force it.
They'll just say, let's go,let's do it, let's go win this
thing.
You know, you watch that Vikingsversus Browns game there with
Carson Wentz going at it.
And Carson Wentz had a pretty hehad a darn good throw, but he
trusted Carson Wentz to just goand win it.
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Just go and win this darn thing.
And that's what he did.
And that's where I think MattLaFleur is still at times, it
feels like he puts trainingwheels on.
He's like, I don't want to trustJordan Love.
Trust him.
Let him run it.
And if it if it goes to heck, ifit all goes south, we're fine.
If you force the issue, if yougo for it on a fourth and two at
their 30-yard line and you don'tget it, I'm good.
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I'll move on with life.
I trusted you to get me thatfirst down.
You didn't get it, so be it.
That's where I think we've we'vesettled, and I hate settling.
And this is a question I had forthe settling portion.
Why do people, why do we, asPacker fans, continuously accept
when the media and everythingtells us and when Matt LaFleur
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tells us these self-inflictedwounds?
I love that quote.
It's always, it seems like afterevery loss and every tie or
whatever it is, so manyself-inflicted wounds, and we
just settle for it.
SPEAKER_02 (24:57):
Yeah, I don't, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:58):
We just say to ourselves, well, yeah, I agree.
That's self-inflicted woundsagain.
Yeah, if they just fix that, ifthey just fix that, right?
If they just fix that, when arethey gonna do it?
Because these sameself-inflicted wounds are the
reason why we have to questionthe Green Bay Packers every
single year at this moment.
Yeah, because they haven't puttogether a complete game in a
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couple years, 49ers game in theplayoffs, maybe.
Even if you didn't trust thatone, you go back to the Cowboys
game.
Maybe you could say like aCardinals game last year, but I
don't even I think it was theCardinals last year where we
said that might have been acomplete game.
But either way, it's been a hotminute.
So I gotta that's my question toyou is why do we sit here and we
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just accept that?
It is it getting to the pointwhere that's old news.
I'm done with that.
We have to get past that, andthe only way to get past that is
for this to improve.
SPEAKER_02 (25:56):
I I think I think I agree with you 100% because like
there's like you look atJacksonville last night against
Kansas City, you know, they weredown 14-0.
They had a lot of self-affectedwounds.
They had PI, they had uh OPIthat was, you know, they had
like you know, all these thingsthat went wrong for them, but
they still found a way to comeback and win that game.
Even if you have self-afflictedwounds, it's not an excuse.
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Yeah, there's never gonna be aperfect game.
Like you could have an offense,defense, and special teams do
their job for the most part, butthey're still gonna make
mistakes.
We're all human.
That's not there's this is notMadden, right?
You don't turn off, you know,injuries, you don't turn off you
know penalties, you don't turnoff mistakes, right?
Like things are gonna happen,right?
And because of that, I do agreewith you that you can't keep
going back to that because itgets to a point to where like
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you have to overcome thatadversity if you want to be the
one that's holding that trophyat the end of the year.
Because if you can't, you can'tfind a way to adapt, you can't
find a way to get around thosethings.
You know, Bill Burr says you gotto work through those things,
right?
You gotta find a way to workthrough it, right?
And I couldn't agree more whereI that excuse, he's seven years
now as a head coach.
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It's like, all right, well,that's fine.
Either you fix the problem oryou you find a way to get around
it, right?
If you know your offense line'snot playing well, you game plan
a way to you let pressure offthem, quick game, run game,
whatever you gotta do.
Your defense isn't playing well,then you push the issue on
offense, right?
You're out your and that'sanother thing, too.
I think the floor needs to goback to the all-gas no break.
SPEAKER_01 (27:22):
Yes, 100%.
SPEAKER_02 (27:24):
Understand, like you're gonna make mistakes,
there'll probably be fumbles,it'll be interceptions, it could
be you know, fourth downs, oryou don't get it.
Fine.
You have a defense that'ssupposed to be able to make up
for that.
Like you, like when they wereover the 50 and they punted in
the first quarter, you and metext each other, I'm like, yo,
what are they doing right now?
Why are they punting, right?
And I agree with you.
Like, again, if you're overtheir 50, you should have enough
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confidence in your defense tomake a stop, and you should have
enough confidence in your officeto get that first down.
And doesn't and like even likewhen I watched that San
Francisco 49ers game against theRams, and the Rams called a
running play on fourth and one,right?
And took the ball out ofStafford's hand, and they didn't
get it.
I I think the same thing.
You if you got a quarterbackthat's got you that far and got
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you in the game, you keeppushing it with that quarterback
and saying the good Jordan.
Jordan was the reason was one ofthe main reasons why we were
still in that game.
You don't take the ball of hishand, nor do you keep you, as
you said, keep the train wheelson him, yeah.
You let him ride.
SPEAKER_01 (28:22):
No, yeah, I 100% agree with you.
And it gets to the point whereif the problem is, and as we get
allude to every single season,somebody has to.
We have the youngest roster infootball.
If that continues to be theexcuse of why the self-inflicted
wounds are there, maybe yougotta switch it up then.
Maybe you have to get over thisyounger, young roster.
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Stop trying to turn over theyoung guys and try to get some
veterans in then.
Do something different.
You can't just stick with thesame and go, oh, well, this is
good enough.
We're winning some games.
We just can't the self-inflictedwounds come back to bite us in
the you know divisional round.
No, it can't continuously be thesame excuses over and over.
100% agree.
So I am all with you there.
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If this Packers team can't takecare of the Bengals and stop
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them like we think they should,are we worried about this team
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Kyle, how are we doing?
It's Wednesday.
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I mean, everything is happeningright now.
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How are we doing on thisWednesday?
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
I'm good.
You know, can't complain.
Like you said, the if you findyourself sitting around, need
something to watch, there'ssomething on.
That's always good for me.
SPEAKER_01 (30:43):
That's the best.
That is the absolute best rightnow.
And Kyle's happy because theYankees are sucking.
It's it's he's he's got his ownjoys right now.
We're gonna get to all that.
We're gonna get to all thattonight here in the segments.
But right away, as always, asalways, Kyle is here, which
means we have our mellow yellowminute, the trivia hour in honor
of my grandpa.
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He loved trivia, he loved mellowyellow, the mellow yellow minute
here.
So, Kyle, tonight we have aninteresting one.
I am in the baseball moodtonight.
As everybody knows, I've beenhooting and hollering about the
brewers all night tonight.
So I am in the baseball mood,which means we have a baseball
trivia question.
Can you name the rulings for abatter to reach first base in
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baseball?
So there are actually seven waysthat a batter can reach first
base in baseball.
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We'll get you a prize if you getthat thing before Kyle.
If you get the seven ways beforeKyle does.
So, Kyle, what do you got forme?
The seven ways someone can reachfor a space invasion.
SPEAKER_00 (32:00):
So you have base hit.
Base hit.
You have a walk.
SPEAKER_01 (32:07):
Walk.
Okay, we got two.
We got two.
SPEAKER_00 (32:09):
You have hit by pitch.
SPEAKER_01 (32:11):
Hit by pitch, we got three.
SPEAKER_00 (32:13):
Catcher's interference.
SPEAKER_01 (32:15):
Catcher's interference.
That's four.
There we go.
SPEAKER_00 (32:18):
So now this one, do they count intentional walk as
something different?
SPEAKER_01 (32:22):
I do not think so.
No, they do not think.
SPEAKER_00 (32:23):
Okay, that's fine.
Fielder's choice.
Five.
An error.
Six.
Okay.
I was kind of hoping intentionalwalk was a separate one.
Okay, so seven would have to be.
SPEAKER_01 (32:39):
Um think about this one, Kyle.
Think about this one.
You got this one.
It involves the catcher.
It does involve the catcher.
Or pitcher, I guess.
SPEAKER_00 (32:48):
Yeah.
Oh, I guess uh oh yeah, uh passball on uh strike three.
SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
Drop third strike.
There's seven.
Boom! Boom! Kyle got it.
He got it.
And if you got it before him,well, you're just that much
better than Kyle.
But he tried.
That was that was a heck of aneffort.
You rattled the first like fouror five off.
I was when I first read thatquestion, I was stumped.
I looked at it and I was like,oh man, it's seven ways to reach
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first base.
And I was thinking to myself,like, I'm a brewer fan.
I know all those ways becausethey just do those silly things
to reach base.
It's not like we're the Yankees,they only they don't reach first
base.
It's home runner bus with themYankees.
It's like, oh yeah, I know, Iknow how to get there with the
catcher's interference.
Sal Frilix taught me how to dothat all season long.
So I know all about those.
So that was a great one.
That was a great mellow, yellowminute there.
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So, Kyle, this NFL, the NFLweekend that it was, no
undefeated teams left.
No undefeated teams left, Kyle.
That was a crazy weekend in itsown way.
But we have to do Kyle's powerrankings for the week here.
Kyle, coming off of that weekfive.
unknown (33:58):
Right?
SPEAKER_01 (33:58):
Week five.
Yeah, we're on week, we're onweek six now.
Holy crap, it's already week sixof the NFL season.
That's how crazy it's been.
Coming off of week five, what doyou got?
AFC top five.
Who are in your AFC top five forthe power rankings right now?
As there's no undefeated teamsleft in the entire league right
now.
SPEAKER_00 (34:17):
There is some movement.
I have a new number five.
Ooh.
I'm putting the Jags in atnumber five after beating the
Chiefs Monday night.
I I've been kind of holding offon really giving them credit,
but they they are playing well.
I feel like defensively, they'rebetter than I thought.
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And then offensively, they theyhave their moments.
You know, Brian Thomas Jr.
still needs to kind of pick hisplayup, but look, they're four
and one.
I gotta give them credit, so Iput the Jags at five.
I have the Patriots at fourcoming off of their win in
Buffalo on Sunday night.
I I think what you're seeing isDrake May looks like the guy at
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quarterback, and thendefensively they bottled up
James Cook.
A lot of teams can't do that.
And they picked off Josh Allenas well.
Big win there.
I have the Patriots at four.
I put the Broncos at three.
Love their defense.
Um Benito had a good gameagainst the Eagles.
They won a tough game againstthe Philly team that's really
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good.
Uh Bo Nicks is a good youngquarterback as well.
Sean Payton is coach.
I have them at three.
I'm putting the Colts at twobecause they right now they're
just playing really goodfootball.
You know, Daniel Jones has founda coach and a system that fits
for him, and they're they'regetting it done, so I gotta put
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them at two.
I still have the Bills at onedespite the loss to New England.
I still think they're a reallygood team.
It was just that circumstancesuh were as they were.
Drake may play out of his mind,played really well.
Maybe it caught them off guard.
And I know that they said Ithink the the OC, yeah, Joe
Brady said like he was surprisedby some of the stuff that the
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Patriots did on defense.
So they'll probably be betterprepared later in the season,
but I have this I saw the Billsat one.
So no Chiefs in the top fivethis week.
I I feel like they they showedsome flaws again against the
Jags that weren't there againstBaltimore because Baltimore's
just in such disarray right now.
SPEAKER_01 (36:25):
The the the quickest drop, I would say, is the
Chargers.
The Chargers out of that topfive.
It's two weeks in a row of justdismantling losses.
I mean, you lose to the Giants,Jackson Darts first game out,
you lose to him, and then thecommanders they rattle off how
many on uh what was that finalscore that game?
27 to 10, and it was in LA.
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That's that's rough.
That is a bad loss to take athome when you were supposed to
be a bounce back game, and itjust went sideways on him.
So that their charges arestarting to struggle.
I do, I enjoy what the Patriotshave right now.
Stefan Diggs, as much as peoplewanted to say he was a problem,
and he might very well still bea problem.
He has done wonders for DrakeMay.
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You saw a couple, I saw a routethat he ran.
I was just scrolling throughsocial media, and I saw a route
that he ran, and he ended uplike working his way back to the
ball for Drake May, who's in uhtrouble there.
It's just a beautiful route.
And just those little thingsthat he can do for quarterbacks.
So I I love those rankings rightthere.
Bills, yes, they got to stay atone.
They the Patriots beat him, yes,but if you looked at it, would
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you take him nine times out often?
Kyle Woody's Patriots fan.
I don't know if I would take abet and man, I would take the
Patriots over the Bills again,but it happened.
So, I mean, that's all thatmatters.
They won the head to head.
That's all that matters at theend of the day.
So I I do I like those, theJaguars with the tripperuski
there.
Trevor Lawrence somehow finds away to get back up and get into
the end zone, and the Chiefsjust fall once again.
That an old thing, it's I thinkit's it's Travis Kelsey just
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needs to get a haircut.
I I don't know what's going onwith his hair, his hairstyle
these days and everything, butthe whole Taylor Swift
experience is just taking thatChiefs Kingdom and just taking
it down right with it.
So, anyways, anyways, let's flipover into the NFC.
Uh, what do you got?
NFC, no, like like we saidbefore, no unbeaten teams left
in the NFC.
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So, Kyle, what do you like?
NFC top five.
SPEAKER_00 (38:14):
So, NFC, I've got the uh Seahawks at five.
I I'm big on the Seahawks thisyear.
I I still think they couldpossibly win that division
defensively.
I like what they do, and Darnoldstill looks good despite the
loss of the Bucks, who I do havein my top five, so I'm not gonna
(38:35):
punish them too much for that.
I have the Niners at four.
The Niners are doing it withpatchwork and mirrors, and
they're still winning.
You know, Purdy's been out, sowhat?
Kiddo's been out, so what?
Juwan Jennings, Bosa, likethey're missing a lot of guys.
But Robert Salah has the defenseplaying well, and Mac Jones, you
(38:57):
gotta give him credit.
He's looked good with KendrickBourne.
SPEAKER_01 (39:00):
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (39:01):
Uh, three out of the Bucks.
I just like what Baker's doing.
That you know, Bucks Seahawksgame was really fun to watch.
And I keep saying this (39:10):
if you're gonna beat the Bucks, you
have to take them out.
If you give them an opportunityto win it, Baker's gonna find a
way to get it done.
Two out of the Eagles.
Yes, the loss to the to theBroncos is whatever, but there's
still something missingoffensively.
(39:31):
They can't get Saquon Barkleygoing.
That's such a big part of theiroffense.
So I dropped them down to two.
My new number one is the DetroitLions.
I I just like their identity.
They line up, they play smashmouth football.
If you want to stop that, theycan beat you with the precision
passing game from golf.
(39:52):
They want to throw some fun inthere, they'll throw a trick
play in there, and they don'tcare.
They'll do whatever, and theyright now, to me, are the best
team in the NFC.
SPEAKER_01 (40:01):
I love it.
I love it.
I agree with that all the waythrough.
And it's it's crazy to thinkthat the Packers beat the Lions
week one.
Yeah.
And after that game, we all sathere and said, Wow, the Lions
have really taken a step back,and the Packers are now the top
they're top cheese, right?
No pun intended, top cheesethere.
And it, I mean, the Packers arestill they're still a darn good
(40:22):
football team.
Like nobody we we can't holdagainst them.
Dak Prescott's playing like anMVP again.
I don't know what's up hissleeve down there in Dallas, but
he's playing like he could winthe MVP.
And then the Browns, it's it iscrazy to think that a defense
could win you an entire game,but a defense can win you a
game.
And the Browns defense is thatdefense that can win you a game,
and they did against Green Bay.
(40:42):
So the Packers loss and tie areagainst two really, I mean, the
the Cowboys defense isn't great,but that offense, when they're
going, Zach Prescott played on adifferent level that night in
Dallas.
And it was crazy to see, youknow, Jordan Love just be able
to go toe-to-toe with them inthat game.
And then the Browns, I mean,that defense is just wow.
That that defense is darn good.
(41:04):
You give them any kind ofoffense, any kind of offense.
And they are gonna go win somefootball games.
We saw it.
I mean, they they probablyshould have won that game over
in London, but ended up losingthat to the Vikings there.
So, I mean, I just uh it was agood weekend.
It was a good weekend all theway around in NFL.
But Kyle, as always, I need somefantasy players.
Everybody out there is infantasy football right now.
(41:24):
Maybe they're struggling,they're at the bottom right now,
maybe they're one and four, ohand five.
They need to pull off a win thisweek.
Kyle, what are some playersyou're looking at this week that
you need, fantasy players thatyou're looking at that's these
guys need to pick up?
SPEAKER_00 (41:37):
So, first guy, Rico Dowdle coming off of a 200 200
plus running game, he gets thatCowboys defense this week.
I think for Bryce Young, feedhim the rock.
See if he can't take somepressure off of you.
According to ESPN, he'savailable in like 41% of the
(41:57):
leagues.
So why not go pick him up foryou know depth at your running
back position?
Also, with the uh bye weekscoming up and everything,
usually guys are like picking upand dropping defenses weekly.
Why not go ahead and take thatColts defense?
(42:18):
They have my head written downhere who they are this week.
Um I just lost it.
Hold on a second.
Oh, they have the Cardinals.
Duh, that's what it was.
They have the Cardinals thisweek.
Cardinals are coming off thattough loss of the Titans.
I I don't know how motivatedthey're gonna be.
(42:39):
They seem distraught, they seemlike they might be a team that
kind of fades uh towards thebottom of that division and some
separation.
So take the Colts defense,they're pretty good.
Cardinals offense struggling.
Why not?
And then the last one I will sayI'm kind of surprised this guy
is still really relativelyavailable.
(43:02):
Romeo Dubbs.
Ooh, he's available in like 55%of leagues on ESPN.
They're facing Cincinnati'sdefense.
Cincinnati, not that greatdefensively.
Why not?
Coming off the bye.
The Packers should have a goodgame plan to go against
Cincinnati.
Take Romeo Dubbs.
SPEAKER_01 (43:21):
The biggest problem with the Packers is that they
have so many wide receivers, andand Jordan Love, and well, it's
not that they have so many, it'sthat Jordan Love isn't Aaron
Rodgers.
He doesn't have a favorite.
He has a lot of guys and he'llthrow it to anybody on any given
drive, any given play.
He's chucking it around.
That's what I think makes thePackers so unappealing when it
(43:43):
comes to wide receivers, is youcould go one game, Matthew
Golden could go for 190 yards,and then the next game he's
gonna give you 20 while RomeoDobbs goes for 170.
So you got it's a nice mix, butit's not good for fantasy, for
fantasy out there.
But I agree.
This week, Bengals, the Packershave got to light him up.
They just have to.
This is the week to take somewide receivers from Green Bank.
(44:04):
So I love that one of RomeoDobbs.
So, Kyle, let's flip scripthere.
MLB playoffs.
As we're talking, as you guysknow, pre-recorded, we don't
know the outcomes of the youknow, Blue Jays and Yankees
series and the what the Marinersin Detroit is.
That one's gonna be for surestill happening as we're talking
today.
The Yankees, though, they'redown 6'1 to Toronto again.
(44:26):
They're not even close in thisseries.
This this thing is turning uglyon this Yankees team fast.
So, Kyle, I guess initialreaction off the MLB playoffs so
far.
What are you seeing right now?
Maybe that you like that.
I mean, what what are someseries that you liked?
What are some performancesyou've liked?
You know, what what are youseeing right now in this MLB
playoff?
SPEAKER_00 (44:46):
Yeah, look, I think the the Blue Jays Yankees are
it's kind of going the way I Ithought it would.
Maybe not necessarily a sweep ifit does happen, but you know,
the Yankees got past the RedSox.
When you look at that, game two,they luck out.
Trevor Story hits like a395-foot out with the bases
(45:06):
loaded, otherwise, they getswept there.
And then game three, the Red Soxhad nobody available.
Remember, Giolito was out, May'sbeen out, so they went with the
young guy early, and the Yankeestook advantage.
This Blue Jays team is healthy,and what we're seeing is they
don't miss you know, mistakeswhere the Yankees struggle to
(45:30):
put hits together.
The Blue Jays don't.
Like Vladdy Guerrero's had agreat series.
He's the I guess anti-judge.
He comes with a big spot, he'sgetting hits.
Judges striking out with basesloaded and stuff like that,
which has been the Yankees'issue for years and just reared
its head against the Blue Jays.
(45:51):
I think Mariner's Tigers hasbeen a lot of fun, even though
it comes on later and later atnight.
But I feel like those two teamsare evenly matched.
I think whoever comes out ofthat would make a good opponent
for the Blue Jays.
I feel like we're gonna getsomebody new come out of the
American League.
I'm always a fan of that.
National League, the Philliesare kind of running into the
(46:12):
Yankee issues.
Big spots, they're notcapitalizing.
And for a team that was so goodall year, they're they're
they're gone.
And you know, the Dodgers were ateam that I feel like you didn't
want to necessarily buy into,but it seems like they're
hitting their stride at theright time.
And then the Brewers are a teamthat I would love to see make
(46:37):
the World Series.
I made a joke a couple of times,like I would love to see like
Mariners, uh, Brewers, justbecause I feel like the league
office would be like, oh crap,we have to like market players
that we normally don't.
And I'm like, good, becausethat's what you're supposed to
do.
But Brewers also won a gameslugging it.
(46:57):
We talked about before, likethey're gonna play small ball,
the speed game, they're hittinghome runs.
So they're showing you like theycan beat you different ways,
which is a dangerous thing inOctober.
So the playoffs have been a lotof fun.
Uh I feel like we're we'reprobably gonna get maybe an
upstart kind of team that a lotof the country may not watch a
(47:20):
lot in a World Series matchup,and I'm that's what I always
root for, especially if the RedSox are out.
As long as the Yankees don'tmake it there, I'm happy, and it
looks like they're gonna go outquietly.
SPEAKER_01 (47:33):
That's the that's the fun.
Well, you're hoping for a goodseries, but at the same time,
Kyle's a Red Sox fan, so hedoesn't want to, he doesn't care
at all with the Yankees.
He wants them to get swept outof there.
I have a question.
So I before I have to let you gohere.
Yeah.
The Brewers, you mentioned theBrewers there, and I think you
said it perfectly.
Game one, they hit eight toscore those first nine runs that
they had.
They hit eight singles, threedoubles.
(47:55):
That's how they brought in allthose runs.
No bounce.
They just hit the crap out ofthe ball.
Game two, I don't know if theylooked at the media or what, but
they were talking a lot of crap.
They said, Well, this brewerteam can't hit home runs.
They can't do this.
I don't know, that ticked themoff because they said, All
right, we can hit home runs, wecan do it too.
And they slugged their way to agame two win.
(48:15):
I am I'm really wondering this.
You look at what the Blue Jaysare doing.
They're hitting the baseball,they're putting the ball in
play, doing those things.
You look at a team like theDodgers, even the Dodgers, they
aren't hitting bombs to getthere necessarily.
They're they're putting the ballin play, they're getting on,
they're doing those things,keeping the line moving.
The Phillies, the Yankees, thoseare teams built for home runs.
Which, and the Cubs.
(48:36):
You look statistically, oh yeah,they have a lot of RBIs, they
have a lot of home runs, but youlook at the averages and you say
to yourself, the averages don'tlook pretty.
Do you think there's somethingto be said about that?
They're telling me, oh, well,you can't win in October if you
can't hit home runs.
I don't think that's the I don'tthink that's the truth.
I just think you haven't seen itin a while because nobody does
it anymore.
(48:57):
Nobody attempts to just hit theball and put it in play like the
Brewers try to do, like theMariners, like the Blue Jays.
They all think the big the longball is the way to go.
So, Kyle, I mean, is thatpartially maybe what we're
seeing right now is teams whoare just willing to just hit the
ball, put the ball in play,shorten up and put it out there.
Those are the teams takingadvantage.
And I mean, 2-0, 2-0, 2-0, 1-1series tie, leading probably to
(49:21):
a 2-1 series there.
I think Tigers and Mariners area little bit equal in that sense
there.
But you look at the rest of theseries, I I'm that's kind of
where I'm looking.
SPEAKER_00 (49:30):
Yeah, I I feel like the regular season, yes, home
run, the long ball plays in theregular season because depending
on matchups, you get weakerpitchers and everything like
that, and you just takeadvantage.
Once you get to the postseason,you're usually facing the top
three guys in every team'srotation, and that's where the
(49:50):
Yankees failed against theAstros a lot.
Astros had really good pitchingthat could minimize the long
ball ability from the Yankees,and that's what the Dodgers are
doing to the Phillies.
And teams like that will getfrustrated easily if they can't
hit home runs, and then theyjust start swinging wildly and
forcing more outs.
Teams that can do it both ways,it's the better way to approach
(50:14):
October because with some ofthese games, you could have like
a one-one game in the eighth,and all it takes to win it is a
little bloop over the shortstop.
You bring in that second run,and if your bullpen is set up
correctly, you can win that way.
You don't you don't need toswing for the fences every time
(50:34):
up.
And these pitchers are just sogood and they throw so fast,
they throw just such a widearray of pitches that they can
catch you off balance, and thenyou're looking crazy at the
plate.
So give me the Brewers and thattype of approach over the
Yankees any day.
And I've said it, that's whythey have gone so long without
winning a World Series becausethose power hitters haven't
(50:57):
shown up in October.
And when you build your lineuparound those guys, then the
other guys put too much pressureon themselves, and they get out
of their kind of routine andwhat they want to do.
So gotta build your lineup tobeat you multiple ways to win in
October.
SPEAKER_01 (51:13):
100% agree.
You fall behind like theYankees, like these other teams
do.
You try to slug your way backinto it.
And sometimes that's not theway.
That's not the way to buzzthrough.
You got to put pressure onpitchers, defenses, and when
you're just swinging for thefences, sometimes it's actually
easier to pitch to those guys.
So, Kyle, thank you as always.
I gotta run here.
Thank you as always for stoppingby tonight here.
Let the people know where tofind you out there across social
(51:33):
media.
SPEAKER_00 (51:34):
Yeah, just go to YouTube and Facebook, Chompin at
the Bit.
You'll find the links to myother socials there.
Easiest way to find me.
SPEAKER_01 (51:41):
You guys gotta do it.
Right now, we have ML, or not,we have MLB playoffs happening,
so you gotta check him outthere.
He's talking about that.
He's talking NBA preseason, he'stalking NFL, he's got all kinds
of stuff across there.
So make sure you're checking himout, Chomping at the Bit
Podcast.
Thank you as always, Kyle, forstopping by.
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