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Speaker 2 (00:33):
how we doing everybody and welcome into
wisconsin sports on the go withtrage.
I'm your host, trage, we'recoming back.
It's sunday, is cold, it isjust terrible outside.
I can't even say it.
It's just terrible outside.
It is just absolutely terribleoutside.
It is right now I believe itwas like negative five or
negative seven feels likenegative 15.
Like it is just ridiculousright now out there.

(00:56):
But hey, it was good weekend.
It was a good weekend.
Badgers got to win, packers didnot lose Right, so that's good.
Packers didn't lose lose, sothat's.
That's always a good thingthere, but a lot of good
football across the board.
We want to get to it today hereon the show.
Aaron, how we doing Sundaynight.
You got a lot of.
We got a little bit of snow outthere.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
I didn't really know that up until watching that
Philly and Rams game there, butgot a little bit of snow yeah,
absolutely, I'm like one of theonly people at least like
between family friends, all that, that like I love, I live for
the snow.
If it's going to be cold, Ilive for it.
That's how I look at it.
Now I could live without thecold altogether, that's fine.
But yeah, I was, I'm here forit.

(01:37):
You know shoveling, just youknow we talked about that before
where it's just kind of givesme some weird peace, man, I
don't know what it is, but yeah,we got hit pretty good.
It's not quite as cold.
It's 15 here, so it's not Iwouldn't say it's warm by any
measure, but not, I guess,absolutely like your
temperatures don't even makesense in my head, like that
hurts my head to think about.

(01:58):
But yeah, doing pretty good.
I mean coming off anEaglesagles.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
It doesn't always feel like a win, but they, they,
they got it done somehow againI don't quite know how, but I
watching that game I I right itwas about that third quarter and
I said to my I was sittingthere with my uncle, we're
watching the game and I was likethe snow won this game.
It wasn't the eagles, it wasn'tthe ramps, and if you're an
eagles fan I know you're an efan there, aaron.
But I will argue with the Eaglefans all day long that between

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their two playoff games so far,between the snow and the Packers
just killing themselves, whathave they done to prove to me
that they are a Super Bowlcaliber team?
They have good players.
Yes, saquon Barkley fantastic,saquon Barkley's fantastic.
Jalen Carter if he didn't dothe stupid stuff on the
sidelines and everything, Iwould love that guy Like he is a
game wrecker.
He'd be like an Aaron Donaldkind of game wrecker, but he's

(02:54):
just so stupid he does thestupid stuff on the sideline
just irritates the crap out ofme.
So but yeah, outside of thatfantastic player, their D line
fantastic.
But today I mean I'm watchingand I'm like fumble, kyron
Williams fumbles it.
They just had.
It was just after that safetywhen they got to safety and
Kyron Williams fumbles it rightback to him and it's like you
had the shot.
You had the shot there to takecare of it.
And then Matt Stafford fumblesthe ball and it's like you guys

(03:16):
are trying your darndest to losethis game right now.
And that last play, that lastplay't, I don't get it.
Well, first off it was a thirdand two.
What I don't understand is,when it was a third and two,
with like a minute to go, whyare you trying to throw the
football?
Give it to kyron williams, lethim try to bust two yards.
Get a first down.
You got time.
You're not trying not to giveit back to the eagles with any

(03:38):
time.
You got time.
You got shots at the end zone.
Then just get the first down.
I I didn't agree with the playcalling, but that last throw
Matt Stafford had, where was itgoing to?
You chucked it out of boundsLike it just blew my mind, like
the last play of the Rams seasonhad no shot.
No shot.
No, like that irritates the crapout of me.
Like, at least throw a pick, atleast throw it into the end

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zone and give Higby, give Nakua,give somebody a shot, but
nothing, it just something wasoff.
I don't know Matt Stafford washaving a rough day.
He had a really rough day.
The snow didn't help and youknow his offensive line was kind
of getting beaten up there.
But I thought the Rams playedfantastic and that verse, that
Jared verse on that D line forthe Rams he is going to be a
game wrecker.

(04:20):
Oh, I love watching him and hetalked the crap.
He talked the crap going intoPhilly and I got to tell you he
deserved to talk the crap.
Like he walked in there.
Two sacks in that first half,two huge sacks in that first
half.
I mean he was in backfield alot during that game.
Like he backed it up.
Like you can talk crap and youdon't back it up.

(04:40):
He backed it up and then somein that game and bag it up.
He backed it up and then somein that game.
And I know, I know eagles fansare upset with it and they're
they're yelling, you know adamand everything, and he's just
like bring it on, bring it on,keep it coming like this is
awesome.
I don't know.
I love, I love that, but I meanthe rams did not help
themselves and that's the worstpart.
It was like the packers, right,the packers did not help
themselves against the eagles,the rams did not help themselves

(05:01):
against the eagles.
And it just makes you wonder,right, if you had a good game,
if one of these two teams had agood game, what would have
happened?
Because Sirianni did not havehis best game here.
Call and plays.
Jalen Hurts stunk.
I mean, anybody who wants totell me Jalen Hurts had a good
day?
I don't know what football gameyou were watching, I really
don't he stunk.
He stunk in this one and I getit was snowing and everything

(05:21):
like that.
But that does not make up theexcuse for playing like that,
like he just looks off, he doesnot look good at Saquon Barkley,
that's it.
Like if Saquon Barkley doesn'tbust that one out late, I mean I
don't know if it was the chiefsthey would have called holding
on that Cause I'm watchingSaquon break that one out and I

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I can't have called it, but hewas getting held a little bit
and I'm like a little bit oldthere I don't know like bust the
hole open.
But it happens, it happens.
But even the eagles offensiveline here and I'm like the
eagles offensive line isn'tplaying well like there was I I
don't like you could look bitsand pieces of this game and look
that they're playing well, butwhen the rams couldn't throw the
football, I was like it's over.
They, they can't throw thefootball consistently.
I was like it's over.
And then at the end of the gamethey're chucking it down the
field pretty easy.
So it's like where was this 10minutes ago?

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I, I just don't get it.
I don't know.
No there's.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
I mean, from what you said, there's a lot to unpack.
I mean I, I think I, I will.
I'm with you on the fact Ithink kellen moore sucks.
I cannot stand.
I think he is awful I really do.
Everybody wants to give himcredit.
They're good record they're.
I think they're winning inspite of him.
Like I would be very happy ifhe takes a head coaching job and
I honest to god think he'llfall on his face so hard.

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I just a guy.
He doesn't have a feel for the.
Maybe it's sirianni stickinghis nose in the offense because
they said you know he'll stillhave that permission to do so,
but I don't necessarily buy it.
When they had shane steichem,this offense looks so like it
did decision making look better.
Jalen hurts looked morecomfortable like it.
Just and I'm not trying to takeanything away from from jalen

(06:54):
hurts he played.
He played like crap.
Like you said he, he didn'tlook good.
I think matt staffordabsolutely was awful.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Too hot garbage, matt I don't know what was up with
him today.
It just did not look like evenMatt's.
I get the snow and everything,but even that strip sack that
they had, the strip sack he'sholding onto it with one hand.
This isn't a veteranquarterback move.
You feel the pressure coming,you tuck the second hand in
there.
It didn't feel like MattStafford today.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
No, that was bad.
That was a bad showing for forhim.
I mean, cooper cup has becomelike a non-factor at this point.
I mean he's just it's crazy tothink that.
But I mean, puka, like pukaplayed well.
I'm not trying to take anythingaway from them, but he looked
like he was freezing his behindlike that guy, like every time
they paneled to his face.
I'm like this guy cannotwithstand that.

(07:43):
Like he could not play another.
You know, let's just sayanother half of football in this
weather.
Like he couldn't make it.
So I, I don't know, I, I agreewith you.
I think you know if anybody'shanding you know other teams a
chance, it's jalen hurts, like I, I don't.
I mean aj brown had two dropsthat were horrible too.
Like the guy complains non-stop.

(08:03):
You know, get me the.
You know he acts like a diva.
He comes to the locker room.
You know I'm good, I'm good,but you can tell he's upset.
He's like a crybaby, he's likeTerrell.
Owens to me at this point andthen you know he goes out there
today and drops two point blank.
You know perfect passes, likeyou know, jalen's not giving you
a lot of perfect passes on theday.
The ones he did give you youhad to go right between his

(08:24):
hands.
I get it's cold, but once againyou're talking all that
nonsense.
During the week You'rediverting attention towards you,
not the team.
I hate that.
I really do.
He's just.
I don't know this team is.
You can't play like thatagainst a good, like the way the
commander, nothing.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
You want to touch the commanders playing like this.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
You can't like, I can't, I don't want to smash on
the pack, the packers and theand the rams, but they're not
very good right now no, you canget away with it, that's.
I mean, neither one of thoseteams impressed me, like not
that the eagles really impressedme, but those teams are, are
just not that competitive,they're just not.
So when you play a team likethe commit, like if Jalen Hurts

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doesn't bring it next week,we're packing our bags and
that's it.
But I, I mean a win's a win.
I, I, I thought for sure theRams were gonna, you know like,
put that in at the end like I, Ihated the play calling that
last drive.
Right before we give the ballback, that second down where
they roll out.
They're rolling Hurts out tohis, like his, weak side, you
know like.

(09:26):
I'm like Kellen Moore 101.
Just, guys are genius, but it'suh, you know that, set up the
punt, then, you know, the Ramsgo down.
I mean the Rams, like you said,they're completing passes.
Philly's playing like a softshell defense in the fourth,
like on that drive, like lettingthem basically have some of
those, and I it, it looked likea typical Philadelphia collapse,

(09:46):
like in in every way possible.
But the Rams, just, I mean theysold when it, when it really
mattered.
They had nothing, they reallyhad just and and, like you said
so well, there it was like ifI'm, if I'm a Rams fan, I, I,
I'm really only because hedidn't even give you a chance in
the end, like, what do you like?
There's no excuse, there's nonefor me.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Why isn't Nakua running an out route?
Why are you trying to hit thesideline Like that's such a
tough, that's a long tough throwthat you're trying to make
Matthew Stafford make to Nakuathere?
I just, I don't know that.
One, fourth down, it's likefourth and 10, just hammer it,
but third and two call, oryou're trying to throw it there
because I mean, and nobodypicked up the blitz, or coming
straight up the gun, like nobodysaw him, like come on, like

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it's just terrible play callingall the way around.
But I mean, eagles win.
Like you said, a win's a win.
I wouldn't even say saquonbarkley won this game.
For him I would say it was jakeelliott.
I would which because for him,to go out there.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
He's sold too, I tell , like the extra points, and I'm
one, though.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Today.
I mean to walk out there.
What do you have?
He had a couple field goalsthere, didn't he?

Speaker 3 (10:48):
He had three.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, he was three for three.
Three for three and two of themwere in the snow where they had
to clear him a spot, likethat's impressive.
That's impressive.
I know it wasn't from deep, butin the snow that's hard to do.
And I mean put it on yoursnapper and also your holder
there too, because I waswatching, you know, and they
showed the replay.
I'm watching like the holdercatch that ball and have to put

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it down perfect, and it's likethat's hard to do regularly.
That's even harder to do whenit's snowing, like that's hard.
And to see him, it was perfectall the way through.
Like Jake Elliott had himself aday.
I mean, yeah, the extra points,that it really irks you a
little bit.
But I mean you take away two orone field goal in this game and
it's a completely different.
The Rams.

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One less field goal, right, theRams.
All they had to do is get inthe field goal range then and
they could have tied it and wentto overtime.
So it completely changes thisgame.
So Jake Elliott had a good daythere.
But, yeah, like you said, Imean you're not beating the
commanders playing like this.
You're not.
After watching them completelyroute the lions.
I told you, aaron, our picksright.
I said to you.
I said the commanders, the lions, I said they could do it and I

(11:56):
was like I'm watching that gameand they just I mean to talk
about a good quarterback, janedaniels, a good quarterback,
like that son of a gun didn'tblink.
I mean, the pressure was on.
He's at ford field.
The fans are riled up.
That's a good defense and theywere dialing up blitz after
blitz and to see how manycompletions he had.
I can't remember the stat, Isaw it up on the tv screen when

(12:17):
I was watching there but to seehow many completions he had when
the blitz was on and he hadguys in his face and he just
dump it off and first down itwas.
I mean, just it was a masterfulperformance and I loved it.
I loved it.
I don't watching the lions.
I think they got too fancyright.
They threw that trick play inthere.

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I was jameson williams, triedto throw that one down the
sideline to jameer gibbs and itgot picked off.
I was like why it just they gottoo fancy with it.
Jared Goff had one of his worstgames at the worst possible
time and we've talked about guyshaving their worst game at the
worst possible time.
Jared Goff is suspect of that,but I mean I said it going in
that Lions defense.

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They had one of the worst pastdefenses in the league, one of
the worst.
What did the commanders do?
Well, they slung that babyaround, right, that's what they
want to do.
Loved it.
Loved it there.
We got Dustin good buddy, myDustin in the comments tonight
here he said the North lookedugly the last two weeks.
Yeah, isn't that something?
The NFC North, as great adivision as it looked like, we

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didn't make it out of thedivisional round and the lions
got a free pass to get there.
So you can't even count themboth.
All teams knocked out in theirfirst game there.
That's something, I mean, thattells you the depth of a
conference.
There I go.
Season looked good.
Lions kind of bit bit it inthat second round there.
But the vikings and packers man, wow.
I mean puts into perspectivewhat the rest of the league
really looks like.
But we did talk about theeagles there, right, I mean

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they're kind of just skiddingalong at this point here.
I I do expect the eagles willfigure it out.
I do expect they're gonna putthey're gonna.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, I mean they either do that or they go home.
Though that's the thing.
Like, yeah, I I don't thinkyou'll see the commander.
I mean, if they drop a 40 pieceon the eagles I'll be shocked,
just because, like you know howyou mentioned that the lions
defense isn't very good.
Jared Goff is not very good inbig games Like now.
We can make that assumption.
You know what I mean.
Once again, I mean you turn theball over three times.
You're going to put points onthe board if you're Washington,

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but Washington's going to giveyou, I don't know, like it's
more so the way they're.
I'm not going to go as far asto say like Jane Daniels is
better than Stafford.
He probably is right now, likeat this particular moment.
Yes, yeah, it's just thetrajectory that like they're
trending, like how we kind oftalked about the Packers limping
into the playoffs, how we talkabout the Lions like hot into

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the playoffs but then boom,they're out.
Like it's one of those.
They are the hottest team infootball.
Like bar none.
They're the hottest team infootball.
Like they, no one expects themto be here.
I mean they haven't been in theNFC championship and I I can't
remember the, the year 1992 orsomething yeah, something like
that, yeah, yeah so I mean they,they're playing with house
money and then some and that'sthe scary thing, right like

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washington, I mean, yeah, theyimpressed.
I, I think detroit added to thefire, they, detroit threw
gasoline on the fire, like theyjust said.
You know what?
Have it because goff just ohman that's.
And I feel bad, I know they're,they're a division rival for
you and I'm sure you're deepdown you're probably, like you
know, clapping and things.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
But oh yeah, I was all commanders.
I was all commanders all nightlong.
I was like very, very old boysthose fans have, I mean bar none
.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Those fans have probably the word I mean browns,
lions.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
I just don't like Kirby Joseph.
I don't like Kirby Joseph.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
I don't either.
I'm with you.
I don't like the line run of StBrown.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I don't like those two and they just put the whole
narrative on that team then forme.
But the one of the weekend andthis is the one I want to get to
real fast before season'sChiefs game, that Patrick
Mahomes twice, there's two calls, two calls in that game and I
hate, I hate blaming refs.
I hate blaming refs with apassion I do.

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But how, how are guys supposedto tackle anymore?
Actually, I'll give you threecalls.
Right, because we did this newhip drop tackle.
Right, dalton Schultz, in theopen field there was a hip drop
tackle.
Literally you can look up thedefinition of a hip drop tackle
and that play was it didn't callanything.
No flag, right, no flag at all.
Then patching homes goes to.

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Does a late slide.
Two texans guys go over top ofeach other and hit each other's
heads.
They go over the top of them,unnecessary roughness.
Right, hit the quarterback late.
Another flag now patching homes.
He does this stupid thing.
He does this all the time andthe packers did it to him last
year I believe it was jonathanowens met him on the sideline.

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He goes and he'll go to thesideline, but he won't go out of
bounds.
He'll try to get an extracouple yards, because he doesn't
think you're gonna hit him.
Well, this one.
He slowly went out of bounds tobait guys to come and hit him.
So they hit him, pushed him outof the bounds the rest of the
way.
Oh flag, throw the flag righthe flopped.
He flopped don't even can't saychief fans, don't give me that
crap.
He flopped, you know that.
You know he did.
You know that was a late slide.

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I am so sick of this rightbecause even and you know what
makes me even more sickening wasthe eagles packers game that
fumble on the kickoff.
The n NFL went back and theyfined Owen Burks for an illegal
hit to Keyshawn Nixon.
We went to instant replay onthat.
How do you not see helmet tohelmet contact there?

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But we can look a week laterand then we can come back and
say that it's an illegal hit, dowe not, do we?
I mean, honestly, it actuallyhurts me as a Packer fan,
because do you know what changedthe entire tide of that game?
The opening kickoff, literallythe opening kickoff.
The Packers get the ball first.
What happens?
You fumble it.
The Eagles get the ball.

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They score a touchdown.
After that, the Packers defenseonly gave up three points in
the entire half.
You're talking about thedifference between a three-point
game and a 10-point game goinginto half.
That's huge.
That's huge.
But the NFL continues to do thiscrap of crap with these refs
where they're like oh yeah, youknow, let's cater to a guy.
Let's cater to a guy.

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Let's call these late-slidebull crap right?
I'm so sick of it.
Honestly, to me it's when youleave the pocket.
You're a runner.
That's it.
You're a runner Now.
You're no longer.
You're no longer a quarterback.
You're no longer in the pocket.
You are now a runner.
Why should we protect you morethan we protect Saquon Barkley?
Why should we protect you morethan we protect Puka Nakua?

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When you leave that pocket, youare now clarified as a runner
and you're at your own risk.
That's what you have to play itas, because you're asking
defenders to go at half speedconstantly, half speed,
constantly.
You can't do that.
You can't ask them to do that.
It's terrible.
It is terrible.
It's a terrible.

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Look on the game and I'm sosick of watching this.
Patrick Holmes is a fantastic.
I mean, he's the greatestquarterback in the game right
now.
Greatest quarterback in thegame right now.
Greatest quarterback in thegame.
Watching him play, he'sfantastic.
But I'm sick of these bull crapcalls.
I am Like I don't want to saythe reason why the Chiefs are
going to the AFC championshipgame again is because of the
refs.
I don't want to say that, butwhat I want to say is when you
look at some of those playswithin that game, the Texans got

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screwed, they got screwed andit's amplified now and we've
seen it week after week afterweek after week and it keeps
happening.
It keeps happening andeverybody's like well, you can't
, at some point we gotta stopblaming the refs.
Right, the chiefs are just good.
We gotta stop blaming the refs.
Okay, then play a game wherepeople don't have to look back
into it.
Why is it always in crunch time,why is it always in the most
important moments that they calla holding, that there's

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something stupid that happens ina game that benefits solely one
team?
Explain that one to me.
Lions, vikings fans.
Don't tell me that it's becausethe Packers get all the calls,
because guess what, keyshawn,nixon got head-to-head and we
didn't get a call there.
So I mean, it's just, I don'tknow.
I'm so sick of the NFL reffingand officiating.
I'm so sick of it at this point, all these craptastic rules

(19:43):
that they're putting out there.
I want to protect players.
I do.
I want players to be protected.
I think they've put a lot ofgood rules in there to protect
players, but at the same time, Ithink guys like Patrick Mahomes
are taking advantage of thoserules.
And when you take advantage ofthose rules, then you need to
fix it again, because otherwiseyou're taking away what a game

(20:03):
could be.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
No, absolutely could be.
No, absolutely.
I mean if, like you said, ifyou can't see it by now, you're
just, you're either livingthrough, you know, your kansas
city chiefs glasses, or you'rejust like there's people that
will never deny that the refshelp certain teams or certain
situations.
They just, I mean, theresomebody gets hosed.
I, I just truly believe thatsometimes, um, without getting
too like in depth on on why, butyou know, here's an example
like perfect, perfect, you knowclass, a example of the chiefs

(20:31):
just getting calls Like and I,and like you said that that call
where, where he's like leaningtowards the sideline, like I you
know, I don't want to make itabout the Eagles or whatnot
there was a play where Jalenhurts was like completely out of
bounds.
Then they ripped them down outof bounds, like he's completely
out, both feet are out, way out,yeah, and I'm like, and I'm
like, okay, they're not gonnacall that, like there's, there's

(20:51):
plenty of examples.
I mean, you know, watching thisbill's um ravens game, like,
and I'm not even a big likelamar guy, whatever, but there's
, there's place, he getsabsolutely rocked out, you know,
right near the sideline.
They don't call it like.
He just gets back up.
You know, I've seen bakermayfield take absolute shots,
like like he's put, he's slammedinto the bench and they're not.

(21:12):
But if somebody lays a fingeron the homes in the in the wrong
time and that one play, he's he.
I think he made a complete orit was an incomplete.
You know he goes, he throws it.
The texans guys like I mean herocks them in the chest.
Clean hit, though Perfectlyclean hit, and he's just looking
at the.
He has turned into LeBron to acertain degree and it's a shame.
It's a shame we've gotten therein the NFL.

(21:33):
I know it's about protectingthe quarterbacks and keeping the
guys in the game as long aspossible, but when does it end?
If it only gets worse?
To a lot of people, I like it'sif it.
If it only gets worse, like I,it's.
To a lot of people.
I know it's getting unwatchablealready and and at this at the
same rate, like I don't know ifthey're gonna do anything about
it.
It's just that he's the, he'sthe golden child.
Now he's like brady 2.0, he'sprotected no matter what and

(21:58):
it's it sucks, but it's justlike, if you like, I forget it
was somebody on the Texans,anderson, I think.
Last name there, defensive endAnderson.
He's like we knew we had toplay everybody.
We had to play the Chiefs, theRefs and everybody else.
So I mean he's going to get amassive fine, I expect it.
But I respect him for sayingthat because that's keeping it
real.
I couldn't agree more Like hehit the nail on the head.

(22:20):
It's the situation now and andpeople are going to deny it and
give you reasons why but if youwatch games and you deny it, I
just I don't go somewhere elsewith that.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I like I don't want to take away from the chiefs.
They're a good team.
They're a good team LikePatrick Holmes, travis Kelsey.
Travis Kelsey has been playingwell in the playoffs, away from
what they are.
But why is there so muchcontroversy after every win?
Why?
Why does it have to be so muchcontroversy because of it?
Because of it, win a footballgame straight up.
That's all we're asking for.
Don't have the refs.
If you're the nfl, stay out ofit.
Let the game go on its own.

(22:54):
Let it go on its own.
We did have one across text inline.
They said that he did thelebron going on a bounce there.
So they're in agreeance withyou on the lebron.
But but Dustin brings up a goodpoint there too in that Lions
game.
Jared Goff on that interception.
You're not supposed to be ableto hit a quarterback if he's not
going after the guy with theball right, you're not supposed
to be hit the quarterback.
They went and cleaned his clock.
He went out with a concussionwell, didn't go out with a

(23:15):
concussion right, but ended upin the medical tent after that.
And Teddy Bridgewater had comein but went straight to the NFL.
I think it wasn't Mike Pereira,I don't remember who was the
rules analyst that they had onthe game, but went straight to
him and he's like, yeah, that'ssupposed to be a flag, like
that's a flag all day long, likeyou're not supposed to be able
to hit a quarterback if he's notgoing after the guy who just
picked off the football oranything like that.

(23:36):
And no call, jared Goff justgets lit up, ends up in the blue
tent, no call.
And I guarantee you we're gonnawait and in a week from now
they're gonna come back andthey're gonna say, oh, the nfl
has fined so and so for the hitthat he had on jared goff.
Great, what does that do now?
Right, lions fans, how does itmake you feel now?
Right, packer fans, how's itmake you feel now that owen

(23:58):
burke's got a fine for hittingkeyshot nixon head to head?
But you know a legal penalty,right, it's a penalty in the
game of football and we'resupposed to call this.
We're supposed to be protectingplayers, no crown of the helmet
going down, but Owen Burks getsa fine.
A week later you went back toinstant replay.
You looked over it 14 times tosee if Keyshawn Nixon had the
ball, and a lot of people are inagreeance that he did.

(24:20):
But who cares?
Right, I'm over it now, butit's the fact that you go back a
week later and you go, yeah,here you go on burks, here's a
fight.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah, what's it?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
matt, I mean, what's it matter a?

Speaker 3 (24:29):
lot of these guys it's chump change right, like
maybe to owen burks.
It's not because he's like youknow, but it's yeah yeah, it's,
it's just like you said, thefact that they're watching this
in real time and then they'remaybe even not that you know
they miss it in real time.
They see, like you said,they're sitting there and like
they're watching it, probablyslower than we've ever seen it.
Right, they have, they havestuff, you know the technology

(24:49):
they have access to and theystill get it wrong.
Like, come on, man, like we'renot that stupid, like Americans
might not be the smartest peopleas a, as a society, but come on
, like just be real, know, likebe authentic.
Like it's getting, it's gettingcheesy, it really I mean it is
it's and it's.
You know, certain guys get callsand certain guys and and that

(25:09):
whole argument will like youknow, hey, jordan love shouldn't
get, wouldn't get that call, hehasn't earned the respect.
But patrick mahomes flags aflag.
I.
I don't agree with that.
In in basketball I don't agreewith it.
Like oh, lebron needs.
You know he gets that callevery time.
Why wasn't the guy on the onthe Timberwolves on the bench
get the same call?
A call is a call, a penalty isa penalty.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Like you know it doesn't change player by player.
I agree, I've heard that beforetoo.
It's like, oh yeah, he's a vetlebron's lebron, if he wants to
complain to her.
If I was a ref, I don't care ifyou're lebron or if you're
brawny, I don't care, I'm teeingyou up either way.

(25:52):
Right, I don't care.
But it's a fact that we havereferees out there who have to
coddle veterans because, oh,they're the precious baby of the
league.
So that's what we got to do.
That's what we got to do.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
He's got it's, we got it I hate it.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
I, I absolutely hate it.
I I don't know how.
You know, like tom brady, theyalways said that he got special
treatment.
They always said aaron rogersgot special treatment.
I don't, I don't like that, Idon't.
But now you see quarterbackscoming in, like you know, as you
said, baker mayfield, even jaydaniels, jared goff they get
rocked and it's like I didn'tplay, I didn't see it.
Keyshawn Nixon gets rocked onthe opening kickoff and we stop

(26:27):
the game, we go and look at itand we still don't see it.
But we see it a week later.
Nfl officials had to havelooked at it a week later and
said, yeah, that was a legalcontact, who was looking at it
night of Night, of who waslooking at it, because that's a
game changer that changes thewhole complexion of that game.
But yet nothing, nothing.

(26:48):
We'll look at a week later,we'll figure it out.
I don't know.
I just the.
I don't want to believe the nflis rigged.
I don't.
I don't because it's going toruin everything for me.
If I believe it's rigged, rightthen it's like the wwe.
At that point I don't want tobelieve it's rigged.
But what I do believe is there'sa lot of coddling, that goes on
.
And there's a lot of specialtreatment for certain players.
I will agree, they're 100 withthat.

(27:09):
There's a lot of stupidagreement.
I I don't know how people can'tsee that.
And if you can't, like you said, you have the chief's glasses
on, you have whatever glasses on.
If you don't believe that,insert holding calls.
I've always said holding calls,you can call holding on every
single play if you wanted tocall it.
But why does it only happen?
If I'm a referee?
I honestly don't understand it.

(27:29):
End of games.
I swallow my whistle.
I do If I was in an end of agame and it's game on the line
when the Rams were driving onthe Eagles, I am calling nothing
, unless if it's blatant, likepass interference or something
stupid or terrible.
Holding right, he drags them tothe ground or something crazy.
I'm letting it go.
Everything is let go.
Because why?

(27:50):
Why would you want to ruin agame?
Why do you want to stamp yourfingerprints all over what just
happened in that game?
I don't.
I want to be the guy who's like.
I ref that game.
That was an epic comeback thatthe Rams just had.
They drove down the field inthe snow and put it in the end
zone.
Now, no penalties were reallyhingent on that drive, but what

(28:10):
I'm saying is like if you wouldhave called a holding or
something, dropped the Rams back15 yards, like something crazy,
like that.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
And not to like.
I swear to God, I'm not tryingto make it about the Eagles all
the time, it's just that holdingcall against the Chiefs in the
Super Bowl they put themselvesin that position Like the second
half was the worst second halfI've ever seen them play.
But to call that like whereBradbury doesn't even I mean
they swipe by right Like theyexchange hands, basically and to

(28:36):
call that there and the ballwasn't even close to catchable,
like Mahomes just was, like youknow, I'm going to throw it
there because I saw that forhalf a second, like that is so
Bush league to me.
And like I said, yeah, I'mcoming from an Eagles fan and
that was like that's the ballgame, but that I mean come like.
When it comes down to a calllike that that's holding, like
that's a pass interference.

(28:56):
I've seen so much worse Neverget caught, not even like what
was that?
The, the, uh, the saints andthe, the vikings, whatever guy
got like lit up, um, he got likedrilled before the ball came
and like no fly, and then thereferee's standing right there
and he saw it happen like don't.
So yeah, they, they, they wantto call it when they want to
call, they don't.

(29:17):
When they don't, it's, I don'tknow it.
People are still going to watch.
That's the thing, it's justthey need to.
In my, they need to fix it, butuntil there's, like you know,
millions of people not watchingit, they're not going to fix it.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
So no, why would you?
Why would you still make moneyanyways?

Speaker 3 (29:33):
But yeah, it's people like I think the NFL loves the
country Like I.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
I think they, they thrive on that.
So he's the new villain.
He's the new villain in the nfland every.
You need a villain, right, youneed a villain in every league
and that's who it is right now.
Right now, mine's the eagles,because they should have lost
twice already and somehow theykeep moving on.
So they're my villain at thispoint here.
It's just like I, I, aaron, Iknow you love the eagles and I
know we got to get to, we'regonna get to an ad break here,
but I know you love the Eagles,I know you do.
It's just man, oh man.
If there was a more deserving,a less deserving team at this
point I don't know who it isLike the commanders, they worked

(30:11):
their way to this point.
The Lions had a bye, but theEagles I mean the Packers laid
an egg.
They sucked themselves right.
Three interceptions by JordanLove.
You had, I mean fumble on theopening kickoff.
And then you have the day withthe rams.
Matthew stafford fumbles twice,kyron williams fumbles once,
two lost fumbles there.
And then you also had thefumble when they, if they, if
kyron williams would have heldon to the ball I know he

(30:32):
recovered that one, but if youwould have held on to the ball
would have been a touchdown.
Instead he fumbles it backwards.
They have to go back and get itend up with a field goal.
I mean so many things thatcouldn't go the Rams way.
And it's just like, oh man,like well.
I mean, eagles are winninggames right, they're winning
games and that's what matters.
But at the same time, it's likeeverything that could go wrong
for the opposing teams is goingwrong for those opposing teams

(30:54):
right now.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Just just at least sit with.
This is we have one Superbowl.
It took everything to get theone we had.
So it's not like we, it's likewe're the lions, but we've just
had a little bit more success.
You know, I mean like it's.
It's not like we're somepowerhouse like new england team
that was getting every call.
I mean they come up with a callfor the tuck rule.
That that is the most atrocity.
You know that's the one of thebiggest atrocities ever in the

(31:15):
nfl, in my opinion.
You know the raiders had thatgame in their grasp and they get
ripped it out and they make arule after the fact like come,
like.
So I I'm not here to.
You know, if you hate, if youdon't want the eagles to advance
, I get it, I understand.
But at least like we, we getpunched in the gut time and time
like, and our own team does ittoo our own, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
So I don't hate the eagles, I don't.
I don't hate them.
I just think all the eaglesfans out there that I have to
listen to right now tell me that, oh, they're playing so much
good football right now andthey're doing this well and this
well and it's like, yeah, butJalen Hurts is sucking and I
still don't trust, you can'ttrust the receiving core if you
don't have a quarterback tothrow to them.

(31:56):
So there's that.
The offensive line looked awfultoday.
They didn't look good.
They had times, they had times,they had moments, but outside
of that I didn't think theoffensive line looked good.
The defense, the front four,looked good, but after that,
zach Vaughn looked good.
Don't get me wrong.
Zach Vaughn always looks good,but the secondary the secondary
yeah, wisconsin guy.
I always got to give him hisprops.
Right Today I was like my uncleand I were sitting there.

(32:22):
I was like he's crossing lines,like still like him, but dude,
wrong team.
All right, like wrong teamthere, but the secondary for the
eagles still gives me, gives menerves right now.
So it's like if you're aneagles fan out there and you're
like this eagles team is rollinglike pump the brakes, boys,
pump the brakes.
You ain't beating the chiefsand the refs playing like this,
that's all gotta play those refsyeah you gotta play.

(32:43):
Those refs do too.
So well, we gotta hit an adbreak.
We're gonna come back.
We had brian gutekens talkingto the media.
We did not get to that lastlast week there, so we want to
get to that today here.
We gotta talk about the badgers.
We gotta talk about the xavierlucas situation.
We're gonna talk about xavierlucas on the back side of this
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Speaker 2 (33:45):
I just saw across Twitter there that Zedaria Smith
is no longer satisfied with thedirection of the Lions so he
will now be joining the ChicagoBears because he's dissatisfied
with the Packers, the Vikingsand the Lions now.
So he's going to go to theBears to beat up on all three
because he's psychotic like that.
So just saw that across Twitter, did not see that he's going to
the Bears, just saw that he'sdissatisfied.

(34:06):
So he's only got one team leftthat he could go to to beat the
crap out of the other one.
So we'll see him with the Bearsnext season there.
So, aaron, let's get into it.
Xavier Lucas the guy the sagathat keeps on giving, keeps us
here, gives us just loving this,just loving this.
The Xavier Lucas saga continues.
Uw came out and told us theirstatement, so did the Big Ten.

(34:27):
So now we got the Big Teninvolved too.
The Big Ten Conference standsin full support of the
University of Wisconsinregarding the contractual
agreement betweenstudent-athlete Xavier Lucas and
the Wisconsin football program.
As student-athletes becomeactive participants in revenue
sharing, it is critical thatagreed-to obligations be
respected, honored and enforcedIn light of the current laws and

(34:53):
association rules, informationsuggesting tampering and
contract interference in thecase by the University of Miami
is very troubling.
These actions undermine theefforts of its own conference as
the ACC continues itscollaboration with other A4
conferences in developing asustainable framework for
college sports.
The situation is just thelatest example of a critical

(35:13):
need for substantial governancereform.
So the Big Ten Conference isnow backing the Badgers.
I love that.
I love that the Big Ten saiddude, we got your backs, we
understand what you're fightingfor.
We got your backs there.
And I have Wisconsin'sstatement here too, as UW.
So they said we aredisappointed that Xavier Lucas

(35:35):
has chosen to withdraw from theUniversity of Wisconsin.
He has been a valued member ofthe football program.
We were looking forward tohelping him continue to grow as
a student, a person and afootball player.
To helping him continue to growas a student, a person and a
football player.
On December 2nd 2024, xavier andWisconsin Athletics entered a
binding two-year NIL agreement,reflecting his strong commitment
to continuing with theuniversity.

(35:56):
We understand that he has alsoexecuted a separate agreement
with the Varsity Collective, hisagreement with Wisconsin Athlet
athletics, includingsubstantial financial
compensation for xavier.
Under the terms of theagreement between xavier and
wisconsin athletics, it remainsin effect and enforceable.
Badger.
Student athletes who havesigned these agreements expect

(36:17):
wisconsin athletics to honor theterms in turn.
Wisconsin athletics relies onstudent athletes representations
in signing these agreementsthat will do the same.
A request to enter the transferportal, uh, after entering into
such agreement, is inconsistentwith the representations and
mutual understanding of theagreement and explains the

(36:38):
reason for not processing atransfer, a transfer portal
request, under thesecircumstances.
So basically, it goes on totalk about, you know everything
they had to do In there.
But Well, we got our story.
We got our story.
Now.
We know that there's a contract, we know that it was in place.
We know that it binded XavierLucas To the university For two

(36:59):
years and Xavier Lucas Tried todip and he did.
He.
He did.
He withdrew from the Universityof Wisconsin because they
wouldn't honor his transferportal.
So he withdrew and he iscurrently enrolled in Miami.
So he enrolled to theUniversity of Miami.
Now I love it.
I love it because that boyain't going to play a lick of
football down there until thiswhole thing's figured out.

(37:20):
He ain't getting in for springpractice.
He can't transfer.
He legally has not transferredyet to the university.
So I don't know if he can signup for football at this point
here.
So the University of Wisconsin.
They came out and they saiddude, we got you signed up for
two years.
You agreed to this, we agreedto this.
You have money coming from theVarsity Collective too, and

(37:44):
you're going to try and back outnow?
They're sick of their guns.
The best part is, I had to seethat numbnuts over there on
Twitter.
Um, they're his Twitter lawyer,right, the guy who is the NIL
uh director down there, whateveryou want to call him, he
teaches NIL and everything aboutit down at Miami.
He came out and he's likeWisconsin doesn't have any
grounds to stand down andeverything like that.
They can't hold themaccountable to this and
everything like that.

(38:04):
Like that, they can't hold themaccountable to this and
everything like that.
And I wanted to tweet back tohim and just say dude, do you
think the big 10 lawyers andWisconsin lawyers wouldn't have
told Wisconsin or the big 10 notto get involved with this If
they thought this was going toend poorly for them?
The big money corporation as inthe big 10, wouldn't have stuck

(38:27):
their nose into it and wouldhave said eh, wisconsin, you're
on your own, we don't agree withyou.
We're not in agreement with you.
You don't have a case here,we're not going to back you,
right?
Why would the big 10 havebacked Wisconsin if they didn't
agree?
If they were like you don'thave ground to stand on, they
want to protect their guys,right, they want to protect
Wisconsin.
So they would have said youguys got to back down, you guys

(38:50):
got to back down, like let'sjust let this go Back down.
But the Big Ten said, nope,nope, we back them, we're in
agreement with Wisconsin, weagree with what they're standing
on here.
And then Wisconsin stands on it.
Aaron, I'm telling you this nowthis ain't going to end pretty
and it ain't going to end prettyfor Xavier Lucas.
I don't care what anybody saysat this point I don't, because
if anybody out there is tryingto defend Xavier Lucas, I want

(39:14):
you to put this into perspectivefor a second.
Okay, imagine you're anemployer.
Imagine you're an employer fora second and you hire on a guy.
You sign him to a contractright, I'm gonna give you this
mountain money, but you got toplay two years for me.
You got here, you got to worktwo years for me, right, you got
to work two years.
And after this was just signed.

(39:35):
This was just signed, december2nd.
December 2nd, this after theseason, right, so two more years
and you didn't even work a dayin that contract and you just
said, eh, I want to go, I wantto leave, I want to leave.
Right, how would you feel as anemployer?
Right, how would you feel?

(39:55):
These are employees At the endof the day.
This is what I want everybody torealize, and I don't understand
how hard it is to realize whenmoney is being shared, when
money's being split around.
You are now an employee, younow work.
That's your job now.
It's plain and simple.
You sign a contract.
It's plain and simple.

(40:16):
I don't understand how thesehardheaded people there's
hardheaded people out therebecause there was thousands of
comments on this saying thatXavier Lucas free.
Xavier Lucas, he's just beingheld hostage, basically saying
he's tied up in Luke Fickle'sbasement.
That's how they're making thisout to be here.
There's people out there whodon't understand life.

(40:36):
Get off your keyboard thesekeyboard warriors out there who
think that they understandthings and they want to get
behind a cause.
Right, let's get behind a causehere.
Shut up, Look it up.
Understand life for a second.
Understand contracts whenyou're sitting in your mom or
dad's basement down there.
I'm in my own basement shootingthis night here in the den,
right Down in the den, here I'min a basement, so talking out

(40:59):
loud there.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
That's your basement, though that's the den, it's my
basement.
I own this basement right, butwhen you're sitting in your mom
or dad sitting, here, mom,you're like, oh, this poor
little fella.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
This poor little fella, just like, let's get him
out of wisconsin because they'reholding the message shut up.
Like, understand something fora second before you get on the
keyboard, before you get allstupid with it, before you look
at this numb nuts from miamitrying to teach you how it all
works.
What the heck was his namethere?
I can't remember his name.
What the heck was his namethere?

(41:28):
I can't remember his name now.
What the heck was his name?
Darren Heitner, that was hisname.
Before you start reading DarrenHeitner's Twitter page here,
where he's being a keyboardwarrior there too, right, being
a keyboard warrior.
Wisconsin won't answer me.
They won't answer me.
Nobody cares.
Wisconsin doesn't care who youare.
When you want to talk toWisconsin, guess what.
They'll meet you in thecourtroom.
Doesn't care who you are.
When you want to talk toWisconsin, guess what.

(41:48):
They'll meet you in thecourtroom.
When they want to talk, they'llmeet you.
They'll meet you.
They have no right reasonanything to have to talk to you.
You are some instructor down atMiami who teaches NIL.
That's what you are.
Nobody cares who you areHonestly nobody.
There's tampering.
We know there was tampering inthis.
Why did all of a sudden?

(42:08):
Why wouldn't here?
Let me put in perspective for asecond.
The one team that was accusedof tampering, of trying to get
Xavier Lucas, is currently theuniversity that he's residing at
.
Let's make that make sense fora second.
Let's make that make sense.
If you went to Alabama had beenlike, huh, why did they accuse
Miami of tampering?
No, he ended up at miami, endedup at miami.

(42:29):
After he lives in miami, helives down in florida, that's
where he resides.
Interesting.
He goes home and then he comesback and all of a sudden he's
like, yeah, I'm transferring,see you later, dudes.
And then he says, well, youknow, he came up with a good I
shouldn't say excuse, but hecame up with, you know, his dad
is sick and everything like thatwhich hopefully you know your

(42:49):
dad is okay and everything.
I praise to you and your family, but that doesn't take the
contract fact out of it.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I'm sorry, that's the cold hearted fact about the
world, right.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
That doesn't Like.
Okay, fine, you want to takethe contract out.
If there was money that wasalready flipped hands, give it
back.
Give it back Easy enough.
Until you do that, guess what?
There's your problem, dustin, inthe comments there should have
never paid them.
College guys Should have neverpaid them out there, opened up
this can of worms.
I agree.

(43:20):
I agreed with it when ithappened.
I said college guys should notbe paid.
I said it's going to open up acan of worms.
I think the problem was, though, they don't regulate it.
That's the problem.
You can give them money forname, image and likeness, but
you have to regulate it.
You have to put guys instructural contracts.
You can't just expect youngcollege kids to respect the

(43:44):
contract, to give year by year.
We're seeing it right now, andthis is what I said from the
beginning.
I told you this a long time ago, aaron.
I am happy that Wisconsin issticking to their guns.
I am happy for it and the restof college football.
I hope that Penn State the ADat Penn State is giving high
fives to Chris McIntosh, becausePenn State could go through

(44:05):
this same problem.
So could.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Ohio.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
State, so could Iowa, so could Alabama, so could
Georgia.
Every single team could gothrough this same problem and
they should all be lining up togive high fives and handshakes
to Chris McIntosh right now forsaying dude, thank you, thank
you for standing up for this,because this is going to happen
down the road.
This happens more than we think.
It's just.
Finally a university said no,no, dude, you ain't leaving 25

(44:32):
transfers going out of theUniversity of Madison.
They kept one back.
They wouldn't put one guy inOut of 25, you think Wisconsin
just thought screw it, let's tiethis guy up in our basement.
That would be fun, let's justkeep him hostage, that's a good
look for our college.
It's going to be a good look forus.
It's going to be a good lookfor the Big Ten, if the Big Ten

(44:53):
comes out and says, yeah, weback Wisconsin in this, but we
have no ground to stand on.
People are nuts if they thinkthe Big Ten just came out with
that statement just becausethey're supporting Wisconsin.
One of their own, the lawyersfor the Big Ten, would have told
the Big Ten, commissioner nah,don't do that.
Don't do that, let's not messaround there.
Right?
We don't want to stick our nosewhere it don't belong because

(45:13):
it's going to come back to biteus.
Right?
Wisconsin's lawyers, I wouldventure to guess.
Possibly, just maybe, maybe theUniversity of Wisconsin's
probably got some pretty goodlawyers sitting down there,
probably some pretty goodlawyers who deal with this kind
of stuff, and they're tellingthe university like, yeah, you
got ground to stand on.

(45:33):
Boys, hold your own, don't saya word, just hold your own.
Let's see what they do.
I mean, aaron, I'm going to giveyou a chance to speak on this,
but this is fun.
This is fun, like Dustin said.
These, like Dustin said,they're opening up a can of
worms.
This is a can of worms and it'sopen and it's all over the
place right now and it's justfun to watch because it's a saga

(45:55):
.
Like we said the other day,it's a story that keeps on
giving.
It is.
It is just a story that keepson giving, and I can't wait to
see the end no, I mean you, yousummarize that about as well as
I could possibly even ask for.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Really, I mean it's you know, when we first visited
this.
It was, you know, hey, maybeWisconsin has their hands dirty
a little bit, but we were, likeyou know, 90%, we were on the
side of like, okay, wisconsinprobably has some type of
agreement that is going to bindhim from not, you know, doing
this type of thing, not walkingout the door, right, and like

(46:31):
that's kind of where we stayedon.
We're, like you know, maybethere's a small chance, but
highly doubt it Like it justdoesn't make sense.
I mean, that would be acolossal mess up on their part
which wouldn't make any sense.
You know, like I don't carewhat college it is, you would
expect the college to be runbetter than that, right, and
this whole situation, like youknow, you bring the guy in from
Miami.
Of course he's a professor atMiami, right, and then he wants

(46:56):
to go to Miami, like, yeah, ofcourse it is like the guy's
going to back his own, his ownguy, right, basically, like
they're, they're in cahootstogether.
So, yeah, it makes sense from a, from a Wisconsinisconsin and
big 10 standpoint, like this isthis is kind of what you were
wishing for, you know, you know,finally it comes to light.
Wisconsin didn't make anycomments publicly, which is you
know exactly why.
Because when you have the upperhand, like and, and you know,

(47:18):
especially contractually, thatyou're, you're in the green,
like what, what's it going to doyou if you say, yeah, well,
xavier lucas, isn't it like ifyou start bashing him publicly
like that just doesn't, thatdoesn't do you any favors, when
you know, uh, in a court of lawlike you're gonna, I mean the
chances of them not winningright, it's slim to none.
So, yeah, it's a colossal, justlike, I mean, can of worms,

(47:40):
like Dustin said, it's justcraziness, like madness, to say
the least.
But I look at it like if you'reXavier Lucas, like this is an
epic fail.
Man like this is, I don't knowhow you thought you were going
to get out of this unscathed.
I really don't.
And then the fact that, likemaybe you, you could have been
something at Wisconsin, like ifI'm, if I'm Wisconsin, I'm like,

(48:01):
look, this guy demonstratesexactly what we don't want in a
player, as a, as a studentathlete there, like there's no
way he comes back there.
Like you know what I mean hehe's burned that bridge on his
own, doing on his own accord,and now it's like he's how
they're not gonna let him justwalk to to wherever he wants.
I wouldn't be surprised if hecan't do anything for a year,
like that's the probably theright move here, because he he

(48:23):
couldn't contractually get outof it and then wouldn't like
there's no reason why Wisconsinshould be on the hook for him at
this point because of what he'sdone.
Like if he's an employee, he'sfired, he's kicked to the curb,
he's like completely out thebuilding.
Like there's no employer inthis country that would put up
with this type of stuff.
Like I just I don't know any,maybe there are, but like it's,

(48:45):
he's just a distractions and hethinks he can.
Just you know I'll dip now,even though I signed a piece of
it.
That's like you know, I have anapartment, I live in an
apartment currently and I signedan agreement and then I violate
like three things within acouple of months and I'm like oh
, or like.
I'm staying here.
I'm staying here regardless,like I don't care, I'm staying

(49:07):
here.
I'm staying here regardless,like I don't care, I'm staying,
like you know.
I mean that would be because hewants out.
I want to stay.
Yeah, I'm, you know, bridgingthe contract.
I'm doing exactly what theytold me not to do.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna.
By the way, I I'm not goinganywhere, though it's like okay,
try that.
Though.
Try like try and see where thatgets you, because you'll get
police will come eventually.
You know what I mean.
Like it's just come on now.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Like I want all these keyboard warriors just to
understand life for a second.
That's what I want that's aquote.
I want him to I want him justto think about it right, and I'm
gonna, I'm gonna patent that.
I'm gonna patent that keyboardwarriors need to understand life
I really want them to, becauseyou look at some of the crap
that they tweet and it's justlike, yeah, let's, let's free
this guy.

(49:47):
And you're like you don't evenunderstand what's happening
right now.
You have no clue.
You're just jumping on herebecause you see a bunch of other
people doing it and you'rehoping you get some likes and
you're hoping you get someexposure.
Maybe a guy will follow you.
Right, I gained a follower offof saying free x man.
Just enough of it.
Just enough of it.
A, but let's go to some goodBadger news.
Let's go to some good Badgernews.

(50:08):
The Badgers win their seventhstraight.
The men's basketball teamtraveled out to USC over the
weekend.
There Got the big win 84-69.
That's seven straight wins forthe Badgers.
Gotta love that.
Gotta love that.
The game started out ugly.
Three turnovers on the firstthree possessions.
First three possessionsresulted in a turnover of the
Badgers and I was like, oh boy,that's not the way to start out

(50:30):
a basketball game right there onthe road.
But they settled it and it wasJohn Blackwell once again
settling them.
In John Blackwell I mean 11 ofthe first 15 points against USC.
There, I believe I'm notmistaken.
I had it where he had the firstnine against Ohio State.
He went on a 9-0 run by himselfand he had the first 11 of

(50:50):
first 15 against USC.
So the hot starts, the gamesfor John Blackwell.
You got to love that.
You got to love what he's beenable to produce for you there.
So he does well there.
I mean I got to say thisWelcome to the season, max
Klesman, welcome back.
I don't know where you went, Idon't know what happened to your
brother, but I'm glad to seeyou back in the lineup there,
because 18 points in this one,two for nine from three but

(51:12):
seven for 14 from the floor.
He was getting in the paint.
He was hitting some turnarounds, some tough turnarounds in this
game and defensively he was adog we talked about in our
preview show here and I saidthey got to deter passing lanes.
They got to deter these passinglanes.
Max Klezman was expert 101 atthat.
He was flipping the ball out.
He's getting some turnoversthere.
Love to see that.
So, max Klezman, welcome to itthere, brother.

(51:34):
Excuse me there, kamari McGee.
I don't know what else I haveto say about this guy.
I don't know what else I haveto say about this guy.
Another great performance out ofkamari mcgee.
There he's uh, had 10 points onthe game.
He shot two for three fromdowntown and that three point
percentage on the season thereaaron rose once again for kamari

(51:54):
.
There he's now shooting.
He's well away games.
He's shooting 66 from threethere.
But kamari mcgee on the season,56 from three, 56 from three.
That's over% from three.
That's over 50% from downtown.
This guy has been a dog forWisconsin.
I love it.
I believe that's a pretty goodamount of shots too.

(52:15):
I was just going to doublecheck that.
I believe he's averaging abouttwo, three a game.
Three pointers there and heshoot 56%.
That's up from last year.
You want to talk aboutperspective?
Last season he shot 27 fromthree as a whole.
On the season he's shooting 56.
Wow, just wow.
That I mean night and daydifference there.

(52:37):
And greg guard gave props tohim after the game.
He said he loves actually whatkamari mcgee and carter gilmore
have given to this line up therecoming off the bench.
They they took the long way.
Walk on was Carter Gilmorethere.
Both of them took the long wayto get to this point.
But the development, whatthey've been willing to
sacrifice to get to this point,loves nothing but it.
So they're reaping the rewardsis what Greg Gard had to say.

(52:59):
So that's what Gard had to sayafter this one.
But Mario McGee continues to bethat guy the used to be that
guy.
The Badgers got up to a big leadFirst half once again got a big
lead.
At the break they're up by 15,but USC went on a 20-4 run out
of the half there to close thisthing to three points with 1044
to go.
That tells you just thedifference that can come in
there.
We saw that against Ohio State.

(53:19):
Wisconsin got a big lead goinginto the half.
Ohio State closed the gap.
Wisconsin was able to hold themoff this one here.
Wisconsin they buckled down.
They got a little bit betterthere.
I thought and I tweeted it outthere.
I replied to a tweet and aguy's like how can you be mad
Because you know this happenedand this happened, but yet the
Badgers still won?
I was like do it.
I said because when you're up15 at the break, you don't

(53:42):
always have to let the otherteam come back.
You don't always have to do it.
You can hold that lead.
And I thought the Badgers, whenthey were able to come back,
their USC was.
The offense got stagnant again.
There was a lot of juststicking it to one side.
The ball wasn't moving to bothsides of the court.
It was staying on one side ofthe court.
They were forcing a lot ofthrees.
The shots weren't falling butthey weren't getting the shots.

(54:03):
They were in the first half.
They weren't attacking, theywere keeping out on the
perimeter.
They were sticking it to oneside of the court.
The ball wasn't moving to bothsides.
I thought Wisconsin just gotaway from their offense for a
while.
Greg Gard did speak about itthere.
He thought the ball pressurewhich I agree Defensively for
the Badgers first half intensityboom.
They turned it up.
Ball screens impossible.

(54:23):
Guys getting downhill wereimpossible.
Second, after, the ballpressure was eh, to start that
second half, they weren'tgetting after guys.
Usc was able to utilize theball screens.
They were able to knock downsome threes there early and they
were able to make that littlebit of a comeback there.
But the Badgers settled in.
They took the haymaker.
They settled in and this iswhat speaks volumes to me about

(54:45):
this Badger team is that theytook that haymaker and
especially on the road they tookthe haymaker and they battled
back in that final 1031 of thegame.
They went on a 29 to 17 run tofinish the final 1031 in this
game here.
Love to see that.
Got back to the offense,settled in defense, turned it
back up.
They were fine thereDefensively.

(55:07):
I liked what I saw defensivelyfrom the Badgers in this one,
outside of what we saw in thatfirst little stretch there in
the second half.
First half, I loved it.
Held the team to 27 points onthe road.
That's hard to do.
And then they held the leadingscorer, claude from USC, to 0
for 3 from the field and zeropoints in that first half.
Love to see that Second halfthere.
That's where they got a littlebit hurt there.
So that's where I'm kind ofwatching.

(55:28):
But jumping those passing laneswas huge and we talked about
that in preview.
Klezmit led the charge there,led the charge, mcgee got
involved.
Steve and Nolan Winter did welldefensively to settle things in
too, especially in that ballscreen.
Especially in that ball screen.
They were right there.
So I love to see that there.
John Tonje, that's what I wantto get to.
John Tonje no points, leadingscorer going into this one.

(55:55):
No points, aaron, this is whatI love the most about the
Badgers.
John Tonje is your leadingscorer.
He gave you zero points on theroad.
You still won by 15.
I don't know many other teamsthat could tell you that I don't
.
When you have a collectiveeffort, like the Badgers do with
Blackwell, with Klezmit,klezmit coming along right, and

(56:16):
then you have Steven Crowell andNolan Winter putting up numbers
there, and then Kamari McGee,there's not a lot of teams that
have depth like that, not a lotof teams who have scoring depth
like that.
Right, if you look at some ofthe good teams, I mean look at
Duke, right, cooper Flaggoutstanding.
But if Cooper Flagg has a badday, say he gives me, say he
gives me zero points in a game Idon't know, duke's going to

(56:39):
struggle.
They're not going to win ablowout, trust me, they're not
going to win by double digits.
It's going to be close.
They might win, but I don'tknow if they have the dogs
behind it.
And that's where I loved GregGard gave props to his staff
after the game there.
He said recruiting wise theBadgers.
Well, the coaches did well,recruiting depth positions

(57:00):
behind guys that they alreadyhad, so keeping that depth where
they could go to the next guyand he could come out there and
score like Gilmore, like a guylike Xavier Amos, like a guy
like Jack Janicki or KamariMcGee, guys who can interchange
and still give you buckets andgive you valuable minutes.
That's what Greg Gard said.
I love that.
I love that quote getting thoseguys in the transfer portal
recruiting some guys in to fillthose spots.

(57:21):
I love that.
I love what I saw there.
And having your leading scorer,your star, give you nothing and
you win that game by 15, thatspeaks volumes on a team.
That speaks volumes on a team.
And you only shot 15 freethrows.
Remember that Badgers, all theydo is shoot free throws.
You only had 15 in this game.

(57:47):
Not a very, not very good, nota very high percentage there.
Three is nine for 28.
Not bad there, but uh, dustindid bring it up there.
Turnovers, man, turnovers, aaron.
We talked about leading intothis.
The badgers had to be carefulwith the basketball and they
just they weren't.
They weren't in this one.
They got a little turnoverhappy.
They got a little trigger happyright, especially early on
right, three turnovers on thefirst three possessions.
That doesn't help you out atall, but just a lot of errant
passes.
You know the little thingshurting themselves in these
games.
So you got to clean that up.
But they did like I said.

(58:08):
I mean, you want to talk abouta team that turns the ball over
a lot to usc, a team thatdoesn't get a lot of steals
wisconsin eight steals for thebadgers in this game.
So jumping passing lanes, thatwas huge.
That was huge.
Getting fast break breakbuckets and limiting what USC
could do for fast break buckets,that was another thing that we
want to look at there.
So I love to see that.
We did have one across text inline.
Nevermind, it went away.

(58:30):
I don't know what happenedthere.
We had one across text in line.
I can't find it now so we won'tget to that one.
But Greg did speak on MaxKlezman.
He said Max, emotionally hasbeen good, he's been good so far
, like the cold streak has notput him down.
You know, and Greg, he alwaysspeaks out.
He says if you keep playinghard and you keep playing hard
and always keep getting after it, shots will find you, shots

(58:52):
will find you eventually.
And Max Klezman, like he said,has been playing hard.
He continues to play hard.
The assists are a big thing ofMax Klezman's game.
He had four assists in thisgame here, so that tells you
sharing the basketball.
But I just said 17 assists.
That tells you that they'removing it, they're getting it to
open guys and they're knockingdown shots.
But Max Glesman, like he saidemotionally, he's been good.
He just keeps coming back,keeps coming back, keeps playing

(59:13):
hard.
Shots are going to falleventually and that's what we
saw there.
Guard did say that he thoughtMax has continued to play hard
even though the baskets weren'tfalling.
Just wrote that down as alittle tidbit off there.
I just talked about that alittle bit there, but had it
written down as a tidbit there.
Wisconsin has scored 80-pluspoints 11 times this season.
This little stat for the endhere Wisconsin has scored

(59:39):
80-plus points 11 times thisseason.
That's the most since the2014-2015 national championship
runner-up team and they did it11 times in total that year.
Badgers have already done it 11times this year and I had
another uh stat that they had upin the first half.
I was gonna pull that up here.
Uh, real fast, over the lastsix games, badgers like I, like

(01:00:00):
I said I mean there's seven,seven and all in their last
seven, but over the last sixthey're six and oh, 83 points a
game, 49% from the field andopponents are scoring 67 points
against them, so impressivelyimpressive by the defensive end.
And then most possessions pergame, and this speaks volumes to
what the Badgers have been ableto do offensively on the year.
The 2014 or the 2024, 2025 teamis actually up two possessions

(01:00:26):
from the next closest one thatthey've had over since 1996.
And that's the 2021, 2022 team,which averaged 66 possessions
game.
People are like ah, twopossessions, that's not a lot,
that's a lot, that's a lot inthe game of basketball.
Two possessions, it doesn'tseem like a ah, two possessions,
that's not a lot, that's a lot,that's a lot in the game of
basketball.
Two possessions, it doesn'tseem like a lot, but that's a
lot, right.
So the tempo has been up, thegood shots have been up.

(01:00:47):
They're creating more, playingfaster, getting more
opportunities at the basket.
Right, more opportunities youcan create the more chance you
got to score buckets, which iswhy we're seeing this Badger
team being able to put 80 pluspoints up in 11 games already
this season, and we're only what18 games into the season.
So you're saying, out of 18games, they have put up 80 plus
points 11 times.
That's impressive.

(01:01:08):
That's impressive, especiallyfor a badger team, which hasn't
really done that in the pastthere, as we see the Ravens fail
on a two point attempt thatwould have tied the game against
the bill.
So the bills look like they'regoing to survive this game
against the Ravens there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
But Aaron, anything else you got to add on the end
of that Badger talk there.
So I mean one thing that I meanyou can look at it like two
different ways.
Right Inside the arc, I meanthey shot 22 of 27.
They didn't shoot that well fromthe three-point land, but you
take that right, like, yeah, allday, that's efficiency, yeah,
exactly like that's, that's whatyou like to see.
I mean, you know, like you hadsaid, um, sharing the basketball

(01:01:48):
for one, that's one thing.
You know, um, when you don't,and you're like I almost, I, I
think I almost picked like tanjito go off here and like I mean
you talk about it, talk about agreat take by me, right,
excellent take.
But um, yeah, mean for him notto give you, I mean literally
nothing.
Like a guy left his I guess heleft his not cleats but his

(01:02:09):
basketball shoes on the busthere.
I mean one assist and no points, like that's just not cutting
it for him.
But like everybody else showedup, like you said, john
Blackwell, I mean he's the starof the game.
Else showed up, like you said,john Blackwell, I mean he's the
star of the game.
I mean you, you can make Klezma,you know that as well.
Yeah, um, just you know, allout great performance and down
the stretch, right like down thestretch, uh, in the second half
Wisconsin kind of leaned on onthose guys and just I mean, you

(01:02:33):
know, you, look at it, oh, theyscored the same amount of points
the second half, but it downthe stretch, wisconsin put them
away.
What I mean it was the way theyis, the, you know they they
kind of found it at times moreso, um, than obviously USC could
all day.
So, yeah, it's a great win onthe road, like you said, you
know, double digit win and um,you move on and and, like you
said, not many free throwattempts, um, but you still 13

(01:02:56):
for 15 at the charity strike.
That's why they call it thecharity strike.
That's what you want to getthere as a, as the bills recover
there and, like you said, areprobably going to go on to the
onside.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I forgot about the odds.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Yeah, it wasn't over yet, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
It wasn't over yet.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
That one man, mark Andrews.
Talk about selling that guy.
He made a couple really badplays when when he needed to
just make the play, but yeah,yeah, no great win.
You know, crashed the boardsmore than USC, excuse me and
they I mean, like you said, youknow they took the ball from USC
and USC with the 15 turnovers.

(01:03:34):
That's not going to help youand I mean credit to Wisconsin.
They got it done.
They pummeled them out on theWest Coast.
What they continue on the WestCoast now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
UCLA on Tuesday, ucla on Tuesday there.
So I mean it should be a goodone there.
Yeah, you spoke on John Tonje,and another thing I wanted to
add with him was the veteranpresence on this team.
John Tonje no points.
This is a guy who's used toscoring 18 a game, so like he
wants to get his buckets.
No points, but only threeattempts.
He didn't force anything.

(01:04:04):
He didn't force it.
He still shared the basketball.
He's still you know, he's outthere, he's moving the
basketball, he's playing gooddefense, he's doing his thing,
but he's not forcing shots.
You see a lot of star playerswhen they're not getting theirs,
their shots aren.
Talked about it last year withAJ store, right, he's a volume.
He's a volume score.
The more he shoots, he's goingto get about half, maybe half,
probably not even half, he'sgoing to get like a quarter.

(01:04:26):
So, shoots 20 times, he's goingto hit about maybe seven.
Right, and that's that was theproblem.
John Tonje realized hey, maybeit's not my day, john
Blackwell's having a great day,max Klezman's having a great day
, steven winter having greatdays.
Let's get that.
Let's get the win Right, andthat's what Dustin said.
They're great team win.
Let's get the win.
That's all that matters, let'sget the win.
And that's what I love aboutthis team is, even when it's not

(01:04:46):
their day, their day, they haveanother guy to lean on.
And that's what I talked aboutearlier.
With the depth of this team, itspeaks volumes to it.
When you see something likethis is that you have the
ability to win a basketball gameby double digits, with your
star player giving you zeros andone assist.
Zeros and one assist, unlessyou want to count turnovers and

(01:05:07):
fouls.
But I'd want to count thatoutside of that, the box score
said zero for him and he still,if you would ask him at the end
of days, like, yeah, good win,good win, right, we moved on, we
gotta win right.
So now you got a game coming upagainst ucla.
That's gonna be a good game.
I think that's gonna be a heckof a game.
Badgers, continuous west coastswing that'll be.
I hate that the badgers are nowwith ucl.

(01:05:30):
I hate that ucla and usc are inthe big 10 now.
8, 30, 8, 30 tip on tuesdaythere on peacock 8, 30 at night.
That's just ridiculous.
I have to stay up and watchthat like, just just come on,
come on now.
Can we just have an averagestart time.
Give me like 7.
Why can't, even though it's onthe West Coast?
Why can't you start this gameat 7?
Give me a 7 o'clock tip.

(01:05:50):
I don't need to play on Peacock.
Just give me a 7 o'clock tip soI can get to bed.
At this game against UCLA Rightnow they're favoring UCLA 57% on
ESPN.
They're giving it for UCLA onthat one.
So we'll see kind of whathappens there.
We'll talk about that one onWednesday.
Wednesday here, when we comeback, we'll recap that game and
see what the badges look likethere Going for eight in a row,

(01:06:12):
right, going for eight in a row.
See if they can continue onthis torrid stretch.
But, aaron, we got to get to alittle ad break here.
We're gonna get the ad break.
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I want to get a little bit ofthat brian gutekin's uh press
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So we'll get to that.
We'll get to the fact today,get to that and then we'll hit
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Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Yeah, to touch on the weather a lot on the beginning
of our shows, just because weboth live in some kind of crazy
climates, like you know, it'salways something going on, um,
but on this day in 1977, miami,florida, received snow for the
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So what a weird fact.
Right, like it's.
No, I don't, I didn't see any,it was probably like not even
dusting.
Right, it's probably like itsnowed for 30 minutes and it
didn't even cover the ground.
But to only ever get snow onetime and then that, like it,
never do it again, is likethat's wild and interesting.

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Those people down there, man, Imean, trust me, I am one of
those people that love theseason, so I embrace it, but I
can't lie.
Living a year in Miami might,might change how I feel that
that's, they're spoiled.
Um, with I mean very, very niceclimate, I would say, outside
of the hurricanes I mean yougotta deal with that, but snakes

(01:08:30):
, hurricanes and alligators,that's, that's true Thanks,
hurricanes and alligators, andafter that, you, you lost me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
you lost that, you lost me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
After that, I ain't going down there there for that
I remember my dad was telling meonce he was down there golfing,
my dad's big golfer, he goesall over the state.
He's really good golfer, likereally good golfer, and he goes
down all the time arizona.
He went down to florida and hehit one and he said he hit it
towards the swampy area and hewent walking over there and he
heard like this hissing noise.

(01:08:58):
He didn't know what it was,didn't think of it, walked a
little bit further.
There's this python laying inthe grass and there's his golf
ball.
He's like, yeah, I'll take amulligan on this one, I'll move
on, I'll take a mulligan, Idon't want that one.
He just said you go down thereand golf course, you see these
pythons just going across thegolf course.
Like he's got pictures.
I wish I had it on my phone soI could bring it up.
But he's just driving his golfcart down and there's just this

(01:09:21):
big, I don't know how long of aPython, but it's crossing in
front of them and on the golfcourse and it's like, no, I, I
couldn't do it, I couldn't do it.
Like that there's golf and thenthere's that like that's too
much, that's too much rightthere, and I know I've seen that
PGA and and alligators outthere in the water hazard and
stuff like that.
It's like I love hitting in thewater hazard with the best of

(01:09:44):
them, but ain't no way I'm goingin there for my golf ball if
I'm down in Florida.
That's all I know.
So, aaron, let's get into alittle bit of the Brian
Gutekind's press conference,because he brought up a couple
of interesting things that Iwanted to touch on today here on
the show.
So the number one thing that Isaw on there was the Jair

(01:10:04):
Alexander situation, because ifanybody kept tabs on that, they
asked him on the day of lockerclean out.
They're like hey, can we talkto you?
And he basically said like Idon't even know if I'll be here
next year, so I don't want totalk to any guys.
Like I'm just done with you.
So he basically just I'm justdone with you.
So he basically just I'm out.
So let's talk about it.

(01:10:24):
So I'll try to get my thingpulled up on my big screen here,
but it ain't cooperating withme right now.
So on the Jair's future, this iswhat Brian Goodikens had to say
On Jair's future.
Yeah, I think we'll workthrough that.
So they asked him basicallyafter what he was, you know,
freaking out about, they said,yeah, I think we'll work through
that.
Certainly we can afford to keephim.
I know it's really frustrating,not only for him as a player

(01:10:47):
but us as a club, when you havea player with what he's done and
he's done for us in the pastand then not being able to get
him on the field consistently.
That's tough.
We're at the beginning stagesof gathering information as a
whole before we start looking atnext year and how we're going
to going to lay things out wecould.
When he's healthy and he'sready to play, he's a pretty

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good player.
So brian gutekens wants him back.
He doesn't think that therelationship is what jair
alexander made it seem likeright because jair was walking
out and he's like deuces boys,like I didn't get you know,
basically like I don't know ifI'll be here.
It doesn't sound like I'm gonnabe here, so I'm gonna walk out
of here.
I'm not gonna talk into any ofyou guys and that's not what I
wanted to hear.
I'll be honest with you.

(01:11:30):
I don't know if I want him backand not because of the injuries
and this is where I think Imight some people might disagree
with me.
I don't want him.
I don.
I don't not want him backbecause of the injuries.
I don't want him back becauseof his leadership skills,
because he's one of the olderguys on your team.
He's your star corner.
So when it comes to the end ofthe season, I want him to come

(01:11:53):
and talk to me, like TuckerKraft did, like Tucker Kraft
said, where I'm going to comeback next year and I'm going to
be a better leader and I'm goingto work my tail off.
And there's a lot of people inthis locker room who got to wake
up and he, he spoke the truthto you.
That's what I want out of JairAlexander.
I don't want Jair Alexander tosay deuces boys, I'm out of here
, right, that I just I'm donewith you, that you don't want me

(01:12:14):
back.
So I don't want you back, right.
I don't want my leader and myteam to do that.
You're still under contract,dude, like.
Nobody said that you're leaving, nobody said that they have the
option to cut you, which I waslooking at that the other day.
And what is it?
I mean, honestly, I was lookingat the contract breakdown.
What does it really do for you?
I mean, honestly, he's gonnamake more at the same time.
But it's like if you cut himgoing into next year, you save

(01:12:35):
six mil.
If you cut him the year after,you save 17 mil.
You could keep him for thisnext year and cut him next and
save 17, like you'll be finethere.
So I don't want him.
I didn't want him gone becauseof the injuries or the.
The injuries and theavailability are the hard part,
right.
I I hate that.
I wish he was more available, Ido, but I don't want to back

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because he can't lead this team.
He can't.
He doesn't have the leadershipskills and when you have, what
is he supposed to be?
Then he's your star, he's yourveteran guy in that cornerback
room.
Why do I want my young cornersthat I'm going to bring into
this roster Learning from thatguy?
Because they get them sametendencies.
Sometimes they gather that sameinformation.
They're like oh, this is theway Jair did it, so let's do it

(01:13:16):
like this.
Right, let's talk to the medialike this.
I don't want that.
That's a terrible look in thelocker room.
I don't want a guy in my lockerroom like that.
So I don't know, aaron, is thata far off base?
Like to think like that, likethe injury, like the injuries,
they suck right, but I don't notwant him back because of that.
When I hear what he had to sayafter the, after the meeting or

(01:13:37):
well, during the meetings andeverything like that, that's
what kind of puts me on edge.
It's like this dude can't be aleader and I don't need
everybody to be a leader, but Ineed him to be at least
following line.
And when a reporter or somebodyjust wants to talk to you, not
to give a stupid answer likethat, where you're like
basically deuces, like this teamdoesn't want me, so I'm out,
like acting like the world owesfalling on you, like dude, you

(01:13:59):
didn't get to play, I'm sorry,but you were hurt, it happens.
But like we just want to knowyou're gonna come back next year
and you're gonna get better,like the little things.
But you go out like that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
It's like I don't know no, I agree, I and I
wouldn't even like, personally,I'm very much like if a guy's
injured, a lot like availabilityis like number one to me.
Like if you're not available,that that's a killer.
Like there's guys out and I'mnot saying it's his fault, right
but there's guys out there thatjust you know they step on the

(01:14:28):
field and they twist theirankles.
It's just, it's, it's craziness, like, and he just
unfortunately happens to be one.
I mean, for me, that would likeif I'm sitting there as Packers
fan, I'm, I'm like dude, thisguy can't stay healthy for more
than a couple games, you know,consecutively.
Like that would just irritateme to no end.
I mean, if I, if somehow we gothim back on a real
team-friendly deal, that thatwould be the only way in my

(01:14:49):
opinion.
But then, like this is this islike the, the straw that broke
the camel's back to me because,once again, like you know, he's
not available often.
You know he's good when he's inthere, but how, how much is he
in there?
And then, like you said, theleadership skills get called
into question and yeah, he'syour guy, that you want other
guys to follow suit, and if he'sconducting himself in that

(01:15:13):
manner, it's like dude, we cando it.
Maybe we can't find the exacttalent you have, but we can find
another one of you at the dropof a hat.
There's guys everywhere, youknow.
There's guys.
They're watching on the bangles.
There's a guy probably not thebangles, any other team though
that has like somewhat of adefense.
Um, they can go get.
So, yeah, that that's just,that's poor, that's piss poor.

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In my opinion, it's just, Idon't know, that doesn't sit.
Like, if I'm the packer saygood riddance, man.
Like go get injured on it.
I'm not wishing for injury, butgo play a couple of games
somewhere else and see how theytreat you, because maybe the
grass isn't always greener too.
Like, maybe maybe we try togive you the benefit of the
doubt and you weren't availableand now your leadership skills
are suspect at best and it'sjust that's not a good look for

(01:16:02):
for a guy that's.
You know it's an unknown wherehe's gonna, if he's gonna get
paid, you know it really is.
So I, I just yeah, I, I would.
I would just kind of shakehands and say adios to him at
this point well, and I forgotabout this part about the quote.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
I did.
I did research it just to makesure that I had a quote right.
He said he declined to talk,saying that he did not know if
he'd be with the team thefollowing year.
But he also said he didn't haveanything good to say.
That's what he said.
I don't have nothing good tosay.
That's what irked me the mostwas when he said I don't have
anything good to say.
It's like, dude, you don't havenothing to say in general.
Right now, all we want to hearyou say is I'm going to work

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hard in the offseason, I'm goingto get my body right, I'm going
to get my legs right, I'm goingto get everything right.
I'm going to come back nextyear.
We're going to kick some pantsLike that's what I want to hear
you say Step up for one momentin your life, step up, but
instead no-transcript.

(01:17:09):
That's where it kind of irkedme with him there.
But he went on to say so good,kids went on to talk about here,
we'll get on with this one here.
He went on to talk about jordanlove and he said know, matt
LaFleur has probably talkedabout it as well we're very
excited, or very excited, abouthis growth, not, uh, not just on
the field, but not only as aplayer, but in the locker room
as a leader.

(01:17:29):
I've talked many times abouthow even keeled he is.
I think his growth and the wayhe manages our football team has
been pretty impressive.
Obviously, he went through somethings this year, uh, battled
through some, and he hadn't donethat before he came out on the
other side of it and I wasreally proud of him and how he
went through it.
He's leading our team exactlyhow we want him to do it, so I'm

(01:17:50):
excited about that.
So I mean Brian Gutekind isbasically telling you like I
don't waver how I feel aboutJordan Love.
I know a lot of fans havewavered about it.
Brian Gutekind isn't concerned.
It is something to go through.
The amount of injuries thatJordan Love did go through he
had the groin injury.
I mean that's tough.
You go through injury early onin the season.
You don't really get settled in.

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You have the problems withinthe offense.
Already you have Romeo Dobbsconstantly out on you Not his
fault, but concussions andeverything like that.
You constantly have problems.
That doesn't help.
Now you just go into theoffseason.
You got to work on the littlethings, right.
Matt LaFleur, I guarantee youis going to be I hope to be all
over that improving that.
So we'll see, kind of how thatdoes there.
But Jordan Love Gutekinds isall good there.

(01:18:33):
Let's see here.
He said on the Packers needing anumber one wide receiver.
So that's a hot topic, right?
Everybody thinks that thePackers need a number one, brian
Gutekinds, I don't know.
He's kind of on the oppositeside of the fence with that one.
He said I think historically,if you look at a lot of teams,
very rarely do teams have onereceiver.
That's very super heavy withtargets.

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That usually doesn't play outwell in the playoffs.
I agree with that, I do.
You can't win with one guy.
You can't.
You got to have a spread out.
Excuse me there you got to havethe go-to guy right, which I
think they were hoping Dobbswould become.
Uh, but he didn't.

(01:19:17):
Um, but Christian Watson, you'vebeen constantly battling things
with him.
Dontavian Wicks, um, all thosekinds of like.
Watson, you've been constantlybattling things with him.
Dontavian Wicks, um, all thosekinds of like, you've been
battling problems with it.
And then within the offense,right, the play calling.
I thought was inept, I thoughtthe play calling was bad.
So do you need that number onewide receiver?
It's nice to have a guy whoseparates himself a little bit

(01:19:40):
right, but you got to have otherguys and I think that's kind of
what he's saying is like I want.
I don't think Brian Goodkins islike sitting there saying, well
, I hope Jaden Reed and allthese guys just stay the same
right, they stay even keeledwith each other.
I think he's hoping a guy takesthat next step to be the guy.
But you have to have thoseother guys grow with him too.
So have to have those otherguys grow with him too.

(01:20:03):
So I do agree with that.
You can't, you can't just relyon one guy to be it to be it,
because then come playoff times,right?
I mean you look at, say, theEagles only had AJ Brown right
and the rest of the guys werekind of scrubs.
What is every good defensivecoordinator going to do with
their secondary?
They are going to puteverything they got on stopping
AJ Brown and they're going tosay everybody else beat us and
they don't want to look that way.
And that became a problem withDevante Adams and Aaron Rodgers.

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It was like Rodgers would onlylook that way, he would only
look to Devante, he wasn'tlooking for a Lazard, he
wouldn't look for anybody else,he wanted Devante.
That leads to problems.
So I agree, I mean, aaron, likeyou want to win a Superbowl, you
got to have a bunch of guys,right?
Julian Edelman, you had JulianEdelman, gronk, you had Chris
Hogan, all those guys couldcatch passes.
Wes Welker was there at onepoint right.

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I mean you had all these guyswho could catch passes for you.
They were good enough, right,and then you had a guy who
excelled right.
But you got to have guys whothose guys Jaden Reed, romeo
Dobbs, christian WatsonChristian Watson won't be back
till at least week 12, they said, but probably even further than

(01:21:06):
that, or if you go into thedraft you've got to find a guy
who's going to take that nextstep, who's going to become the
guy you're short down.
I think the thing the Packersare missing is the, the go-to
guy on third down and five.
Right, who am I going to hit?
Who am I looking for on thirddown and five, where we are
looking to run something forthis guy?

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And I think Tucker Kraft hasthe ability as a tight end, to
be one of those guys, to be thego-to guy in those short yard
situations, like a Jake Fergusonis for Dak Prescott or a Travis
Kelsey is for Patch Mahomes.
Look at what Patrick Mahomesdoes with some of the guys that
he has at wide receiver, andthen he's got Travis Kelsey.
If you can incorporate moreTucker craft and then you have

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production from Dobbs and youhave Reed, take a step forward.
The drops were a problem.
Right, have Reed take a stepforward, have these other guys
like Wicks take a step forward,and then maybe you go into the
draft, you grab a guy late roundor whatever, and he develops
into a guy.
I think you're fine.
I do.
I think you're fine.
I think you need to see guystake that next step and I think

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the problem and why everybodycame back to this question was
nobody took that step.
I think they have the guys.
Jaden Reed's a fantasticreceiver.
He's got a lot of talent.
I think he can take that step.
It's just a question of does he?
Does he put the work in?
The drops were the problem,otherwise he had 800 yards
receiving on the air like he had.
He had the yardage, he wasgetting up there.

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It's just the drops again werea problem.
Don tavian wicks drops right.
Romeo dobbs two concussions didnot help christian watson he
was banged up every once in awhile, but then the big season
ending, now he's going to be outfor a while, but you didn't
have that guy take that nextstep and I think that's my
problem with it.
I think that they'll figure itout with what they have.
I don't think they're going togo get T Higgins, maybe Devante.

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I would not be opposed toDevante, just a veteran leader
in there who can be a guy toinstill confidence, instill
morale and help these young guystake that next step.
That's where I would look.
I wouldn't look to bring in aguy like T against, because I
don't see how that's going to bethat thing that pushes them up.
I don't see how that's going tobe the one thing that puts them

(01:23:12):
over that finish line.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Yeah, I'm sort of in between on that one, just
because not to say that theseguys can't make the next step, I
just I hate relying on the, onthe, the whole like the faith
thing where it's like I, I havefaith that they'll take that
next step, because there's justno like I'm not saying they
can't, but like when you justkind of like go into a season,
like well, we've seenimprovement, you know we're

(01:23:37):
gonna see him take the next step, like you just don't know not
to say that he will, not to saythat he won't.
I just feel like if they go outand get somebody like even
davante right, that now you havea guy that's like it may it's
gonna make everyone betterbecause it's gonna force them to
be better, almost you know.
I mean like if you're, ifyou're running it back with the
same group and you just expectthis guy to step up, and that

(01:23:58):
guy like maybe they do, but my,it's more likely than not one
guy would.
I just don't see like a nucleusof guys getting a lot better.
Like tucker craft from year oneto year two has shown
improvement, like that's garrett.
So if he doesn't improve nextyear, then you're like, okay,
why didn't he, like you expectit at this point.
Um, these other guys, like,like you said, jane reed, like

(01:24:20):
they're promising guys, they'renot like.
I'm not saying they're bums, Ithink they're not like trash
cans out there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
But they're twos.
They're twos who you don't knowif they can take that next step
right, exactly there are.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
There are still a question like they're they're
questionable.
You know, I mean as far as likebeing the being the guy being
like, and honestly, like youknow that goes back to love too.
Like Like, okay, is he going toplay better next year?
You know what I mean.
Like he's got to play better toput these guys in the best
position to win, to excel, tohave, you know, success there.

(01:24:51):
So yeah, I mean I totally getwhere Goodigan's coming from.
Like you can't just, like yousaid, if you just had like AJ
Brown, everybody else is liketrash cans and you're in trouble
.
But on the opposite side youcan't just not have a guy you
need to go to at the same time.
You know I mean like in thesame token.
So I think they just they'remissing like one, like to me,

(01:25:11):
they're missing a guy.
You know what I mean.
Like they need, they need a, adude like you, like you said
after the Eagles game, they havea bunch of guys they need, but
dude.
You know what I mean.
And Kraft can be that, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
But outside of that, if you almost design it like the
Chiefs, like I'm looking at theChiefs stats right now, like I
pulled them all up for theregular season.
Who led them in yards?
Travis Kelsey.
After that, xavier Worthy had638 yards.
Now I'm not saying Jayden reedis xavier worthy right, because

(01:25:47):
I think xavier worry and jaydenreed they have two different
skill sets, but jayden reed hadover 800 yards receiving and I
think tucker craft had about 700yards receiving.
So it's like if you almost youhave to involve the tight ends
more.
I think we went through astretch there what we say like
three games, where tucker crafthad no catches and no targets,
like it was ridiculous, likeTucker Kraft wasn't even being
utilized within the offense,which you cannot go away from.
A playmaker like that and Ithink that's part of it too, and

(01:26:09):
that's why I said the playcalling is a problem too,
because when you have a dominanttight end, which we think
Tucker Kraft can be as adominant tight end, a short, he
can get you extras right.
I think he was top in theleague in yards after catch for
tight ends and that's up therewith George Kittle, travis
Kelsey, all these good tightends.
So you know he's fantastic,he's not going to be a home run

(01:26:29):
hitter, but he's going to be aguy to move the chains and
that's where I think they haveto utilize him.
We're talking about a guy youneed to go to on third and short
.
Tucker Craft's your dude right,that's where you got to look.
I wouldn't be opposed tobringing in a guy like you know,
like the, the chiefs brought indeandre hopkins.
He's on the back of his career.
He's not deandre hopkins of thetexans time, but he gave him
good production and that's wherewe're looking like davante

(01:26:51):
adams.
I don't think t higgins iswhat's going to be the answer.
Yeah, you bring in t higgins.
You might like the world onfire, but you just spent a
boatload of money to do it.
You just spent a boatload ofmoney to like the world on fire.
I think, with good play, callingand utilizing what you have in
house and then bringing in a guylike Devante Adams just to be
that veteran leadership, I thinkthat takes it to the next level
.
I think that does.

(01:27:12):
I think they have what theyneed.
You have Josh Jacobs.
You have a good offensive line.
We know Jordan Love can beelite.
We know that they have good attight ends.
Luke Musgrave was out for awhile this season.
You get him back.
He's got the ability to blow atop off defense as a tight end.
He's got some speed, so youbring him back into the fold.
You get Dontavion Wicks right.
Jaden Reed stops dropping theball.
You instill some confidencewith Devontae Adams coming in

(01:27:33):
and working with these guys.
You instill that confidencethere.
Offense is fine, I do.
I just think you have toutilize what you have, right,
you got to utilize what you haveand that's what we got.
A couple questions I I'mmissing on the uh text here.
We don't mean to miss you guysthere.
Uh, kyle, nice to see you heretonight.
He says I agree, diversify theoffense more with including tag

(01:27:54):
craft and the tight ends more.
I agree 100 if you can.
You can utilize what you havein house already to what it
should be.
I think they're fine.
I think they got away from whatmade them good, right, look at
what we talked about last seasonthere.
How many times did you watchPackers recap?
And you're watching some of thetouchdown throws they had and
for some ungodly reason Tuckercraft was running down the field

(01:28:15):
wide open with nobody aroundhim.
But that's just because thatplay call just schemed him open.
Fantastic.
Matt LaFleur coached two goodgames this year.
Two of his greatest games werewith Malik Willis playing
quarterback and that's simplybecause he had to coach the game
.
He had to change it, he had toplay.
He had a scheme for MalikWillis.
That's it.
Outside of that, I don't likehis play calling.

(01:28:38):
I don't, and he needs to bebetter.
He needs to be better,otherwise you've got to bring
somebody else in.
I know we had Todd in here theother night and he said bring in
an OC that can actually callgames If Matt LaFleur can't get
the job done.
Playing calls, play calling foryou Words, play calling for you
.
Bring in somebody to do it.
That's plain and simple.
Bring, bring in somebody to doit.
We did have a couple other ones.

(01:28:59):
Kyle did say and I agree withone guy has to separate and be
that guy that Jordan Love needs.
I agree with that 100%.
I agree with you there, kyle.
He did say what time do theRavens play next week?
I think it's like 2 in themorning in Korea.
I think they play at 2 in themorning in Korea there.
I'd have to fact check it there.
Dustin did say growing painswith quarterback coach retiring.

(01:29:22):
Tom Clements is retiring.
We could see some quarter.
We could see some growing pains.
We could.
We don't know how much.
The thing with it is is I,jordan loves footwork got worse
this year.
I thought I thought hisfootwork got worse.
I thought he was getting alittle loose with it.
I thought he was doing somedangerous dropbacks there.
He doesn't throw when the slantroutes happening.

(01:29:48):
He waits until the guy is wideopen before he throws it.
He doesn't throw it on thebreak and I think that's part of
the problem too.
I really do.
I think that's part of theproblem.
Like when you watch Joe Burrowthrow to Jamar chase and I know
those two have been doing it foryears so it helps out a lot but
you watch him when he goes tothe end zone he runs a little
out route or a little drag thatball's coming when he makes the

(01:30:09):
break, like he knows, like boom,boom balls there, right, I
can't say the last time I sawJordan Love do that and I think
that's part of the problem isthat he's over.
I don't know.
I think it's real.
Honestly, I think it'ssomething between the ears with
Jordan Love and I think if MattLaFleur and him can just get
together in the offseason.
They get with the receivers,they get together in the
offseason, they get with thereceivers, they get together,

(01:30:31):
they work through these things.
I think they're fine.
We saw Jordan Love be an elitequarterback.
We saw him be that elitequarterback.
It's just he never got back tothat elite quarterback status.
We saw it for that eight-gamestretch last season.
We just didn't see him get backto that and, like Justin said
there, he was playing hurt a lot.
I agree, yeah, he was playinghurt a lot.
I agree, yeah, he was playinghurt and that doesn't help.

(01:30:51):
Right, and that didn't help.
When he came back, I thoughtmaybe he came back too early
because they couldn't run undercenter matt lafleur we talked
about that the other day in theon the show here.
Matt lafleur didn't want to runour center because the
analytics told him this.
And I told him take theanalytics, turn it sideways and
shove it straight up his candybehind, because I'm done with
that, I'm done with the oldanalytics talk there.
Sometimes you gotta do it.
I don't understand it becausethe analytics might have told

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you when you run out of the gunthat this works a lot better,
sure, but you know what undercenter does.
And that's what I don'tunderstand is when you run under
center, you turn your back tothe defense.
There are so many possibilitiesthat can happen when a
quarterback turns their back toa defense.
Right, you can keep it.
Keep it, you can run.
Right, you can hand it off toJosh Jacobs, you can tuck it,
you can flip it, you can run theplay action.
You can do so many things undercenter.

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You get Josh Jacobs runningdownhill with a full head of
steam.
You can do all those things.
But yet Matt LeFleur's like oh,the analytics told me that
shotgun works better with therun.
Okay, okay, how'd that work foryou against the Eagles Work out
?
Well, probably not.
Probably not.
Maybe we got to switch somethings up.
Huh, maybe we got to switchsome things up Against the

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Vikings for three quarters.
How did it work?
How'd the analytics work foryou?
Right?
How'd the first 15 plays onyour script work?
Because the offense came outstale again?
How many times do we have towatch the offense come out stale
in a game and the script bewrong?
Right, the analytics tellingyou to write that script because
it sucks.
So, I think, end of the day,this whole team needs to take a
reflection.
Look there.
So I would agree, though heplayed a lot injured this year

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and that doesn't help, like wetalked about earlier.
I mean that doesn't help at all.
Like Gutekind said and like weagreed with there, that doesn't
help at all.
Being injured, having to workthrough that and not having to
experience injury before right.
I mean, you're a quarterbackwho hasn't experienced like
injuries in season before andtrying to work your way back in
season and then getting backinto gameplay.
That's tough, that's hard,that's hard to do, and then your
coach is trying to compensatefor you within the offense, like

(01:32:42):
it's just asking for problems.
It's just asking for problemsthere.
So let's get to, let's get to,let's get to one more, we'll get
to one more.
Before we wrap it up here,gutekunst did say they did fire
their defensive line coach.
They did fire their defensiveline coach there.
So Gutekunst sounds like he'slike pretty okay with what they

(01:33:07):
have on the defensive line.
I think he just fired thedefensive line coach Cause he's
like I think we have talent.
It's just not being, it's notbeing, it's not being grown, the
talent's not getting better.
Lucas Van Ness I love when BillMichaels always says he plays.
He looks like Tarzan, but heplays like Jane.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
That's what he always says Like Lucas Van Ness.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
You look at that dude , he is a behemoth of a man, but
he stinks.
He stinks and good against firethe defensive line coach.
So it could be because hethought these guys aren't
progressing, they're not gettingbetter.
And where do we have to startwith that?
We start with our coach.
Why is he not getting theseguys better?
That's where you got to startright.
So I still think he might addthere and plus, you know you got

(01:33:47):
all that cap space now I thinkhe might.
I really I am hoping that theygo with what josh jacobs said
when he said he's going to getsome of his guys in there and
they call the raiders and theyget max crosby.
I really am.
I'm looking at max crosby andI'm looking at miles garrett and
I'm like just go get him.
Go get him because rashaun garydidn't have his greatest year.

(01:34:09):
But when you have guys on theopposite of them, like Lucas Van
Ness or your young guys whoaren't really there yet, you put
a lot more attention onto a guylike Rashawn Gary and everybody
else is getting single, singlecut.
Like I watched so many times,rashawn Gary's getting double
teamed out there and we havesingle cut.
We have a single blocker on theother side holding Lucas Van

(01:34:30):
Ness and Rashawn Gary's tryingto bull rush two guys and it's
like, okay, I get Rashawn Gary'sgetting paid to be better, but
also when you're getting doubledI mean it's hard.
It's hard and I know JeffHalfley had to do a lot of
things just to try and getRashawn Gary through Right.
He ended up at one point he wasplaying almost like a spy kind
of.
He was circling back to thecenter and he was coming

(01:34:50):
straight up the gut.
He was having him just circleand try to find an opening on
the line and just go through itright, and that was pre-play.
So he was trying a lot ofdifferent things that he could
do with Rashawn Gary.
I just think if you had anotherpass rusher in there, it's
going to open up Rashawn Gary.
It'll allow him to create morepressure.
Because it's when you have astar pass rusher like a TJ water

(01:35:12):
and Nick Bosa or something likethat, like those guys can find
ways to get in the backfield.
But when you don't have anyhelp if TJ watt didn't have any
any help on the defensive line,like nobody else was creating
pressure along with them orhelping them out.
They would just double them upand TJ wild become a non-factor.
We saw that in the playoff game.
He became a non-factor.
We saw that in the playoff gamehe became a non-factor.
And that's what kind ofhappened to Rashawn Gary.

(01:35:33):
Now, I'm not saying RashawnGary is to the level of what TJ
Watt is, no way Like.
He's not there, but he's stilla talent and it's just a matter
of getting him help on thedefensive line.
Devontae Wyatt was banged bigmoney.
Kenny Clark was a no show.
This year Kenny Clark was a noshow.
He's talking about your Dtackles there.
Kenny Clark was a no show.
And then Preston Smith I meanhe didn't fit the system.

(01:35:54):
He ended up saying that.
So he got traded out to theSteelers there and then you were
kind of trying to fill guys.
Brent Cox, you were throwing it.
Agabar was, you know, pass firethe defensive line coach.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
So hopefully that helps there I mean that's one
place to start right, like ifyou don't change anything.
You know, I'm not going to sayyou expect no difference, but
it's tough to even have adifference.
If you like, it's an area likeyou said.
I mean, if they think the guysin the building you know, maybe
they're not all stars, right,but they didn't take any steps

(01:36:29):
forward, and like it's coachingthat's holding them back, that's
the right move to make.
Like, at some point you got toshake things up, right, like I'm
all for that.
I'm not saying you got to fireevery position coach every year
and stuff like that, but at somepoint you evaluate, hey, you
know, is this guy maximizing ourplayers at that position?
Like that, that's something youshould go around after every

(01:36:49):
off season and and, and you know, evaluate that.
You know letter grade.
The coach, you know is thereceiver and coach, the
receivers coach doing his job,is the linebackers coach doing
his job?
You know all of that.
Um, because all those thingscollectively, like they, they
matter more than people realize.
You know what I mean.
Like it's one of those thingsthat's overlooked.
It's you know who's your headcoach?

(01:37:10):
Oh, you're, you know, if you'rein jacksonville, your your head
coach, doug peterson.
Well, it's doug peterson'sfault.
I'm not saying it wasn't right,but there might be a.
He might have like half hiscoaching staff might be garbage,
like really, I mean truthfully,you you'll never know, but that
stuff matters.
And hey, I mean shake things up.
You know, maybe the next guythat comes in gets more of them,

(01:37:30):
gets more out of them.
Like I know the, the eagleso-line coach gets, like you know
, stoutland there he gets, Iwould say, the most out of any
o-line in the game.
You know any, any person thatcomes into that building he gets
kind of the most out of them.
Like you're seeing that withwell, you didn't have a good
game today.
Beck them.
But like that, like that guy was, you know, cut by the Jets.
Like you know it goes back tolike that's.

(01:37:53):
You know quarterbacks fromother teams.
Oh, they go to this team.
Like look what the Vikings wereable to do this year with
Darnold there.
So you never know what aposition coach could possibly do
.
Like you know they might take amassive step forward with a
different guy.
So I'm never opposed to that.
You know you kind ofhighlighted that all year long.
They had their moments but theywere never consistently

(01:38:14):
bringing like those guys outsideof maybe, gary, they weren't
really, you know, showing up andit's like, okay, what can we do
to change that going into nextyear?
You already addressed that, youknow early on.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Yeah, no, I like it.
And it's a problem of do you?
If you don't fire the coach, doyou accept that your draft was
terrible?
Right, because lucas van nesswas, I believe I'm not mistaken,
he's a first round draft pick.
So if you sit there and you sayto yourself, oh yeah, like you
know, our coach is doing fine,lucas van ness is just a bust,
then it's like ah, I sucked atdrafting.

(01:38:48):
Right, because you look back atthe packers first round draft
or first round picks over theyears not a lot of hits right,
which leads to a lot ofcontroversy then of who's doing
a good job in there.
Did you look up?
Lucas van ness was his firstround pick yeah, I believe he's
like 15th, wasn't he?
uh, yeah, let's see there was helike 15th in the draft?
I can't remember now.

(01:39:12):
15th, 25th.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
First round 13th 13th .

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Even worse, right, even worse.
If you're going to accept thatas a bust that sucks, right.
So you think that he has thephysical attributes, it's like
why isn't he developing the nextlevel?
So I agree with the GoonikensGet him out of there and see
what you can find out there.
But you know you don't want tosee anybody get fired.
But if he's not doing his joband you don't think he's doing
his job the right way, that'swhat you got to do there.
I did see, I went on his pressconference here.

(01:39:40):
We got so much more we're goingto talk about within Brian good
against press conference andMatt into him yet.
But he did say it doesn't soundlike the Packers are desperate
to get after that first roundbut go to kids.
He was.
He was open to getting that uh,another pass catcher, so he's
open to it.
It doesn't sound like he'saggressively pursuing it.

(01:40:01):
So I did see somebody was likerumoring T Higgins.
I don't think they'reaggressively pursuing T Higgins,
but like if it fell into theirlaps, maybe if the price came
down, maybe.
Um, devante Adams I think,listening to Devante, he wants
he sounds like he wants to comeback to green Bay.
I don't think green Bay wouldbe opposed to it.
So maybe if they can work out atrade there I mean it wouldn't
cost you much, I don't think toget him away from the jets.

(01:40:24):
So I mean we'll see.
We'll see what they kind of dothere.
But Aaron, we're at the end ofthe show.
We were actually 10 minutesover.
Son of a gun.
We went long tonight here.
But, aaron, we got anythingelse.
Before we wrap it up for thenight here, anything else crazy
happening in the world of sports.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
Um, not necessarily crazy, I would say, um, you know
, it should be interesting withthese, these playoff games.
Um, as we come down the wireagain, I mean I hope it's.
I mean even sitting here.
You know, as an Eagles fan, Idon't want it to be
Eagles-Chiefs again.
Like that would make me kind ofsick, even if some, you know,
if we do get through thecommanders, I don't know, I

(01:40:59):
really I'm like 50-50.
I'm not going to be like one ofthese crazies that like it's
the commanders, you know thecommanders, commanders are going
all the way and win the wholething.
Like let's pump the brakes onthat too, you know.
I mean like we can kind of besomewhere in the middle, but I
don't know, we'll see.
I mean this, if the bills don'tdo it this year too, it's like
when that's another team whereit's like man, they're due,

(01:41:20):
they're due to at least go.
I mean they at least gotta goat some point, you know I want
the commanders and the bills.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
I think that'd be a great super bowl.
Can you?
I mean remember that game outthere?
It was, uh, the rams and thebills and it was like 40
something to 40 something wasthe final that.
What the heck was that finalscore?
There was something ridiculous.
Oh, I can't remember.
No, there's chiefs bills.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
Games, too, like that have gone.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
The those get tough too.
I was just what the heck wasthat final score of that bills
and rams game there?
Uh, let's see your bills 44 to42.
Like I could see a billscommanders super bowl being like
45 to 42.
Like I could like a josh allenjane daniel shootout.
That would be awesome.

(01:42:02):
That'd be.
If it's chiefs and it's eagles,I think it's going to be a slow
paced dog fight.
Probably there ain't no, thereain't no fireworks with the
chiefs offense and right nowthere ain't no fireworks with
the Eagles offense outside ofSaquon Barkley Right now.
If you wanted a high fly inSuperbowl, it's bills and
commanders.
Like that would give you yourdog fight.
I honestly don't know.

(01:42:23):
I'll be honest with you Likeall hats off to Patomes and the
way that he does things andeverything like that.
I don't know if they have theweapons to win a shootout with
the Commanders.
Like if the Commanders came outand they played a game like
they did against the Lions theother night there, I don't know
if the Chiefs could battle backwith that.
I don't know if they have theweapons to be able to go back at

(01:42:46):
the Commanders, kind of likethe Lions too.
I mean, the Lions kind of fellfor that one too.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
But I mean, patrick Mahomes probably won't throw as
many picks as what Jared Coffindid.
And yeah, like my defense tothat is well with the Chiefs,
right, and well with theCommanders.
I want to say the Commanders'defense is like not great I
would say not, no, no, not great, they have some playmakers.
And then on the flip side, theChiefs defense.
I think would get after Jane.
He'd be uncomfortable.

(01:43:11):
I'm not trying to take anythingaway from him, I just think
they got handed a lot.
And the Detroit defense.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
I don't know if that guy gets uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
That's true.
I don't know if he getsuncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
You could throw Chris Jones at him at 100 miles per
hour and I don't know if hemoves, I think he throws the
football.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
No, I, I agree, I just I don't know if he can do
it against.
You know, like I, I justDetroit's defense didn't wow me
all like out with all theinjuries, but like I just I'm
not trying to take it away fromhim, I'm just saying, like he's,
he was in a good position tohave the game like, and you even
alluded to it.
You know, hey, the, you knowthis is a game where Jane
Daniels can go and that's whyyou, he, picked him really.

(01:43:49):
So I just, I don't know, I mean, but I will say, you know, I
have a lot of Ravens people nearme and it's already, it's
already.
I kind of, I kind of get whatyou can smell the smoke it's
burning.
Well, I can kind of I can kindof get behind, like hear me out,
like I want to get your take onit before we get off here.

(01:44:10):
Lamar turned the ball over.
Like I always am always goingto be, like Lamar doesn't get it
done in the playoffs because hedoesn't Like it.
Just I don't excuses whatever,it's a team game.
But man, I will say in this one, just like I say Drew Allard
screwed Penn State, mark Andrewsscrewed.
I mean I wouldn't.
I'd say Mark Andrews, you getyour own flight back.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
I mean come on, you can't throw a better ball than
Lamar Jackson did to MarkAndrews.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
And a couple times, a couple times tonight, but that
two-point conversion was in hisbreadbasket.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
That's what I mean.
Just hang on to the football,dude.
You have nothing.
There's nothing else you got todo on that day down, literally
fall down there was thattouchdown throw stafford had to
uh, oh, what's that guy's theparkinson, I think it's his name
.
The tight end from the uh rams,there is that his last name.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
I think it's park, uh , not higby.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
The other yeah, the other yeah, I think it's like
parkinson or something like that, but he had that, that
touchdown late and I mean thatwas a sling.
That ball got slung throughthere and he held on fingertips
down to the end zone there andit's just like, if you can hang
out of that, how does and markanswers falling backwards hands
on the football, not hold on tothat baby like that's just uh

(01:45:19):
ravens fans.
That's a terrible way to lose,just like the rams, though.
That's a terrible way to losematt stafford giving you no shot
to win it.
Mark andrews dropping the ballat a two-point conversion.
That would have forced overtime.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
I don't know you talk about.
We talked about Penn Stateclose, close, close, close.
The Ravens are the definitionof close, close, close.
You know what I mean.
You bring in Derrick Henry.
I really thought that was goingto be like the.
I was scared of that all year.
I was like man, that is, that'sa problem.
And they, like the I was scaredof that all year, like I was

(01:45:52):
like man, that that is that's aproblem.
And like they even set thatrecord, like you know,
quarterback and run, uh, runningback tonight each with over a
thousand in one year first time,like ever, I think, um, don't
quote me on it, but I, I just, Idon't know man, like I, I want
to put this game on the morelike I still do.
Kind of put it on Lamar theturnovers killed him and like
that pick was awful, he threw,but man, he had him.

(01:46:14):
This time he marched him.
Every time you think you can'tmarch him down the field and tie
it, win it.
That's always been like, oh,can he do that?
He did it.
And for Mark Andrews to dropthat, I'm like dude, I wouldn't
want to that play was perfection.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
That play like two point conversion play was
perfection.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
They ran the pick mark andrews came out wide open.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
There's nobody in the area code.
I get it slippery, but, dude,you can't.
Fundamentals man, I mean whenyou play in the snow, you gotta
know, you just gotta know.
And the ravens dropped thatgame 27 to 25.
So our playoffs are set now.
We're gonna talk more aboutthat later on this week.
But Chiefs, bills, and then wehave Eagles and Commanders.
So those are two pretty goodstorylines in both of them

(01:46:59):
Division rivals and the Chiefsand Bills Like Josh Allen.
Can he get over the hump, right?
Can he get over the hump?
I hope he does.
I hope he wins in Arrowhead.
I want to see commanders andBills, just because neither
one's been there in a while andit just makes for better
football Because you have theEagles or you have the Chiefs
and you have the Chiefs again.
It's like the 3P and it's likeyou got the controversies with

(01:47:22):
the reffing and everything likethat.
If you get Bills, commanders,nobody cares.
People care, but it's just likenobody's got.
Like hatred, right, there's nothatred, there's not hatred.
You're like I hope jade danielswins, I hope josh jannon, josh
allen, wins his first one.
Like.
There's no hatred towardseither team heading into that
one, unless you're an eagles fan, right, unless you're eagles
fan, you're like I hate.
I hate the commanders, butoutside of that it's like nobody

(01:47:43):
really cares what happens inthat one.
So, aaron, we gotta get out ofhere.
We ran a little bit long, gotto get out of here.
We ran a little bit long, wegot to get out of here.
We're going to be back onWednesday.
We're going to talk more aboutthis Brian Gutekind's press
conference, talk about some ofthe things that he had to say in
there.
We're going to have more Packertalk, more Badger talk, because
the Badgers will be taking onUCLA coming up on Tuesday.
So we're going to get into thatgame.
Maybe some Brewer to it all.

(01:48:06):
Kyle, he's in the commentstonight, but he's going to be on
the show on Wednesday.
There, we're going to get himin.
We're going to talk about theBucs, because we have not talked
about the Bucs in a while.
Kyle's my guy.
We're talking about Bucs there,so we're going to get into that
on Wednesday here on the show.
So with that, for Aaron andmyself, this has been Wisconsin
Sports on the Go with Trage,thank.