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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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I'm your host, trage comingback on this wednesday.
May, what is it?
May?
Already may 21st?
You know it's you feel old whenyou feel like you feel like you
got a lot going on.
When you got to look at yourphone to tell what month it is,
even and yeah, it's may, it'smay.
It's the 21st of May.
It's almost the end of May.

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I don't even know what comesafter May, but all I know is the
sports world is it's likedwindling down to speed back up,
right, you get, you know we gotthe NBA playoffs.
We're gonna be talking NBAplayoffs today.
We got Kyle coming on.
He's gonna be in the secondhour of the show.
We're gonna talk NBA playoffs.
We got Umber coming on.
We're're gonna talk packers.
We had the schedule releasecapping last week.

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We didn't get to talk about it,so we're gonna talk about it
this week here.
So we're gonna talk packersschedule release today.
We got brewers.
They're kind of playing better,but also at the same time,
they're also we're gonna talkbrewers.
I want to talk brewers today.
So we got lots of things to getinto, but I hope I hope you are
having a great wednesday, agreat week so far.
I just wanted to say, at the topof the area, prayers to

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everyone and anyone who isaffected by the storms that went
through this last week.
Here I mean that some of thedamage that we saw down, you
know, down in juno there, uh,that was horrific.
That cow with the two by four,and that was absolutely horrific
.
So I mean I prayers to thefarms, everybody affected, the
businesses, the homes, everybodyout there.

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So it's a great Wednesday todayand, as we know, as you guys

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know, I always start theWednesday, I always start the
show off with what's grinding mygears, because every week
there's something right, and youknow what.
It happens every other day,maybe it's every day, maybe it's
every five minutes of the day,right.
Something comes up and you'relike, ah, that just grinds my
gears, that just absolutelydrives me nuts.

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Well, I have a couple today.
I have a couple today, numberone on my list over this last
weekend.
I am so sick of Livvy doing andPaul Skeens.
It is unreal and I know maybesome people out there don't know
who Livy doing and paul skeens.
It is unreal and I know maybesome people out there don't know
who livy doing and paul skeensare.
So you can, you could be like,oh well, who the heck are they?
Well, you know, if you, if you,if your social media like, it

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costs.
So you know, if you're onsocial media all the time and
everything like that with sportsand everything, it's yeah,
barstool, everything's.
Let me doing this, paul skeens,this the power couple.
Who cares?
I don't care, let me do it, Idon't care, I don't care.
Paul skeens is phenomenal.
There you go.
Livvy doing is only relevantanymore because, well, I don't

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know, because of tiktok and that, and then you know it's, it's
basically that her lsu days areover, so I have to.
Who cares anymore?
But apparently all do.
So I'm so sick of the PaulSkeen's Libby Dune thing.
It's just driving me absolutelyup a wall.
I'm just done with it.
I'm just absolutely done withit.
So that's my number one.
My number two thing coming offthe weekend that was grinding my

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gears.
So we watched.
I don't know if anybodyactually watched it, but I was
watching the WNBA game, thefever, and Caitlin Clark and
Angel Reese.
I've had enough of listeningand watching and you know I just
had enough of this.

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So, caitlin Clark, there's aturnover.
I don't know it was.
Aaliyah Boston gets shoved byAngel Reese.
Angel Reese grabs thebasketball.
She's going to go up for theshot.
Kaitlin Clark kind of doesn'treally even.
It's so not egregious of a foulthat I can't.
I haven't fully been able toprocess why she got so upset.

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But she gets upset as she does,gets up, she looks like she's
like I gonna throw down withcaitlyn clark here in the middle
of the floor.
Doesn't end up throwing down,of course, but anywho.
Anywho, now all over socialmedia, I have to see once again
if roles were reversed or thiswas different.

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Okay, you guys won't be sayingthis.
I would there you go.
You want to take everybody elseat their word?
Sure, I'm gonna tell you thisright now.
I don't care who it is if theyact like she did after that play
.
It was a take foul.
I can't tell you how many timesI I am.
Ever since I started doing,I've never been a huge nba fan.

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Let's go with that.
But ever since I started doing,I've never been a huge NBA fan.
Let's go with that.
But ever since I started doingsports talk and everything like
that, I've slowly got more intothe NBA and I enjoy it.
I do.
I just it's not as good for meas college.
Like I love college basketball.
I just haven't been as big ofan NBA fan.
I've been getting a lot.
I've been getting more into theNBA let's go with that.
I've seen a lot of likeaggressive take fouls in the NBA

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.
Guys get up.
They might get a little likewhat was that?
Whatever, they move on.
But Angel Reese is like I'mgoing to punch you, I'm getting
up and she's about to throwhands and Kaitlyn Clark just
kind of walks away.
And this was the quote that Igot and I saw it on social media
and I loved it.
I absolutely loved it when Isaw this tweet.
So it's from Robert Griffin IIIand he said Angel Reese hates

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Kaitlyn Clark.
It's staring us right in theface but people are afraid to
say it.
Won't answer questions aboutKaitlyn Clark, gets mad when
people praise Kaitlyn Clark forthe explosion of popularity
around women's basketball.
Celebrates her teammatesflagrantly following Caitlin
Clark, goes after and tries topunch Caitlin Clark after a
routine.
Make them earn it foul.

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After Angel Reese followedAaliyah Boston with a push in
the back that wasn't called.
That's not just hate, that'sjealousy and resentment.
That is it.
That is it.
Caitlin Clark doesn't have arivalry with Angel Reese.
Angel Reese hates Kaitlyn Clarkand that's the end of it, and
that's as far as I want to gowith this conversation.

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What's grinding my gears ishaving to read across social
media all the people whining andbickering about it and that oh,
if roles were reversed in thisand that, stop it, stop it.
That's enough of that.
If roles were reversed and thisand that, stop it, stop it.
That's enough of that.
If roles were reversed, ifKalen Clark goes around trying
to punch people, everybody'sgoing to be in that same boat.
It's why Draymond has gottenhate for years is because of his

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attitude, the way that he playsthe game, the way that he
portrays himself.
You want to portray yourselfthat way.
You bring the hate ontoyourself.
You want to portray yourselfthat way.
You bring the hate ontoyourself.
You want to cheer when there'sflagrant fouls and crap like
that.
You're gonna bring that hate onyourself.
Kayla clark, it was a take foul.
You, everybody, she, sheadmitted to it.
It was a take foul.
She did it.
Now, was it a flagrant fall?
I don't think so.
But was it a take fall?

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Yes, but you know what she did?
She didn't stand there like I'mthis big old tough guy, right,
she walked away, walked away.
She wasn't going to get it.
What was it going to do, right?
What was it going to do if shestood there?
Maybe she should have, becausethen we could have seen if Angel
Reese threw down, threw a punch, okay.
Now, what do you got to say?

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Well, if it was roles reversedwhen it comes to that, it's not
rolls reverse then it's that shethrew a punch, it's not that
she was threatening to throw apunch.
I just think we just gotta stopwith the if the rolls were
reversed card.
Enough of that, enough.
This is what happened, plainand simple.

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There's gonna be people thathate on it.
There's going to be people thatnot your opinions, your opinion
, you can have an opinion, but Ithink we got to get out of the
way of oh, it's just because ofthis, it's just because of that,
stop, stop.
It gets worse when that's thewhen we got to pull that out all
the time.
Well, it's just because of this, okay, whatever, whatever.
So that was grinding my gearsover the weekend, was watching

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that and then seeing on socialmedia it wasn't as much watching
, it was seeing on social mediaall the crap after that.
So that was grinding my gearsthere.
The World Buffet in Marshfieldis great and I hate that people
hate on it.
And if you're out there, ifyou're the people that run the
World Buffet I don't know theowners, so I'm not gonna name
names here and I don't know theowners.

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But if you're the owners of theworld buffet, just so you know
I love the world buffet and ifyou want to sponsor the show, be
my guest, be sponsor show, I'dlove to have you on and sponsor
the show.
I love the world buffet.
I just hear people hate on itso much.
They're like, oh, this isn't,it's not good.
It's not good.
I'm like it's great, I would gothere and eat all day.
It's just I can't, because I, I, I don't think I can handle

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that much food.
But I think the world buffet isgreat.
So I just don't know.
I mean it gets a lot of hate.
I'm going to tell you thatright now it gets a lot of hate.
I don't know if it's just withthe people that I talk to, but
with people that I talk to,they're like I always say, well,
we can go to the world buffet.
Nah, I don't want to go there.
I'm like what are you talkingabout?
The World of Fae is great.
So I'm all in with the World ofFae.
The World of Fae is great.
And some people just they don'teven know.

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They don't even know.
So that was right in my gearscoming off the weekend.
One last thing People who cometo complete stops before they
turn.
You know those well.
I guess it's two-parter here.
It has to do with driving,because it absolutely drives me

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nuts when I'm going and peoplewill come to a complete dead
halt and but it's fine ifthere's a car coming, but when
they come to almost a stop whenthere's nobody coming.
It's like I know you don't wantto take the corner hot, but
take it a little hot.
Don't come to a complete stophere and then turn your minivan

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over there Like, let's, let's doa little bit of a dance here.
You know, sometimes they have areason behind it, but I don't
know.
Sometimes it just gets to me,it just irks me.
And then also those people.
I don't know if it's againstthe law or not, I don't know,
but when you're driving andthere's nobody coming in the
right lane, right, and you'returning left, let's just say
there's nobody coming in theright way and you got cars

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trailing.
Instead of getting over intothat right lane and then turning
right, giving yourself thatroom, letting cars go around you
, getting into that other laneand then turning, you just sit
in the lane the whole time andthen you slowly turn.
That absolutely it just gets tome.
I see so many people still doit.
I don't know why.
It's like you have this freelane over here when you can get

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out of the way, you can allowthe rest of us to keep on going
when they don't have a littlepassing lane or something.
I know some you go by likegrassland and that they have
those lanes where you can goaround land and that they have
those, you know lanes where youcan go around.
When they don't have that, andyou're just like at this dirt
road intersection or somethingand the car just doesn't get
over and it's like I mean justoh, and then people who pass you

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, when, when there is carscoming and you're sitting there
and there's no passing laneoutside of you and people pass
you on the shoulder and they'redriving on the shoulder through
the gravel and they're kickinggravel up at you, that gets to
me and it's like where are yougoing that you're in such if
it's like an ambulance orsomething, sure, like I get out
of the way for you, I get on theshoulder myself, like that's

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what you're supposed to do, geton the shoulder yourself.
But I mean, if it's just arandom dude who's just got, oh,
he's got, oh, he's got to getthe quick trip before they run
out of Bush Light Apple, likewhy are you driving on the
shoulder?
Why are you driving over there?
Oh, that just gets to me.
I don't know why.
I'm one of those people and ifyou talk to anybody who's ever
ridden with me or my familymembers outside of.

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I got one speeding ticket wayback in the day.
But anybody you talk to now I'ma 55 hour straight line beamer,
like that's me.
I'm like I'm a sunday strollkind of guy, so I'm not a real
cruiser and I don't like tocomplain about.
But when I am complaining abouttraffic then we know it's a
problem because I'm the sundaystroll guy.
So, like people complain aboutme.
When people complain, when Icomplain about people, then it's

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like, oh wow, something reallyis going on.
So, like god, some of thesepeople out there, some of these
people and if you're one ofthose people, well, it's all fun
.
Right, I'm not, I'm not like.
I'm not like calling you out,but I'm calling you out but I'm
not calling you out.
Just remember that I'm notreally but I am.
Just remember that end of theday.
So we got lots more to get to.
Armor's gonna be on next.
We got Kyle coming up later.
We got all kinds of stuff toget to today on the show.

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So I got Umber here tonight.
Umber, how we doing it'sWednesday, packers.
I mean there's not a whole lothappening, but there's still
stuff to talk about.
There's still stuff to dabblein.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
So how we doing tonight on this wednesday.
I'm good man, I can't complain,bro.
Uh, it's been a week, to saythe least, and uh, but we're in
the middle of the hump week.
We got a long weekend ahead ofus here coming up, so I am not
complaining one bit, I'm just.
I'm just ready for that.
Honestly, I've been hearing alot of this trash talking by all
these fans and all these folkshating on the floor and jordan,
they got coaches talking out theside of their neck.
You know what?

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I'm just looking forward forthis season to start.
I know we're, like you know,three and a half months away,
but I can't wait.
Just sign me up, man.
Let's get this party rockingand rolling.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
I agree, there's so much hate.
There's always so much hatewhen it's not even started yet.
They're all like, oh well, lastyear this is what I saw in
lashes and I get it.
I do, I get it, but it's also Ijust you know, that's what the
greatest part is about wisconsinsports fans the optimism's
never there.
There's never optimism there'sconstant what's greg guard gonna

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do with the badgers this year,except for suck, because he
didn't go get anybody?
What are the brewers gonna do?
Because they're gonna suck?
Because they didn't go getanybody?
Right now they're sucking, so Ican't, I can't say much about
that.
But you know, right now butit's always uh, we're not very
optimistic people which which isokay, which is okay, it's you
don't have very good, but you'renot very.
You know you're not very likethis is gonna go well and then

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it does.
It feels better.
So I, I guess that's one way tolook at it.
So I would agree with you there.
But we got some maybe good,maybe bad to talk about today
here with the packer schedulerelease, because we knew it was
going to be a gauntlet.
We just didn't know that it wasgoing to be this.
We didn't know that we weregoing to be looking at the green
bay packers trying to balance abi-week and week five while

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also playing two weeks of shortrest, four-day weekends,
basically Like it's got afour-day weekend from school and
then you go right back.
Basically, that's what theGreen Bay Packers are balancing
here.
When you got week one, you'regoing to be taking on Detroit
and it's going to be anafternoon game and then you got
a night game against thecommanders coming up that next
thursday and then later on inthe schedule you have the

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vikings on a sunday and thendetroit coming up and then next
thursday.
So two games, two sets offour-day rest, weeks, weekends,
their base.
It's not ideal, no, especiallywhen you got a week five by week
, which seems very early.
I know sometimes you want itand it's like, oh, I wish it was
week five and it wasn't week 11.
But in a schedule like this Idon't know if I'm crazy, but in

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a schedule like this I'm likethis kind of gauntlet.
I'd rather have it, you know,middle of the pack there,
separate some of these games up.
But I mean instant reactionswhen you saw this schedule come
out, because we knew theopponents, like we knew who the
packers were going to play, butwe didn't know it was going to
look like this.
So instant reaction, when yousaw this, you're like what?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I think you you said on the coast to coast show that
week five by really screwed meup.
I was kind of hoping for a laterbye, but I feel like, all in
all, looking at the teams we'replaying this year, we knew who
the opponents were, but justseeing all the teams and just
seeing how, like the travel isgoing to be, as well as when
we're playing certain teams atcertain points in the season,

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this is definitely gonna be oneof those seasons that's gonna
like make the packers abattle-tested team and it's
gonna be really up to them todecide if they want to come out
of this stronger or weaker right, defeated or elevated right.
And I think that this is one ofthose seasons where we don't
have the feeling of being like,oh well, this is a game-y game

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or that one we should win easily.
I feel like every single game,from the Cleveland Browns and
the bottom of the barrel Bearsto the teams that won their
divisions, like the Ravens andthe Lions and I mean, heck, even
you got Denver in there A lotof playoff teams from last year

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are on our schedule and I thinkthe only way you're going to get
better to be able to make theplayoffs and also make some
noise in the playoffs is playingagainst caliber teams that were
in the playoffs and showing howyour resolve is against that
kind of talent.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I don't like the last four weeks, I agree, at Denver,
at Chicago, baltimore back athome and then at Minnesota If
you don't have somewhat of aplayoff spot almost not really,
but almost locked up by week 15.
I'm scared, I'm looking at itand I'm saying, oh boy, like

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shut up.
But like you got to go toDenver, who is an up-and-coming
team, you have to go to Chicago,who we expect is going to be
something.
I don't think they can be a.
They could be Like Chicagoknows how to screw up a good
thing, right.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
They just know how to screw up a good thing right.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
They just know how to screw up a good thing do I
think that they will again.
I, I don't know like I'm notbanking on it.
Don't bank on chicago to screwit up again.
That's all I'm gonna say.
Don't bank on this chicagobears team to suck.
The packers have to.
They have to win the games,like you mentioned.
There there's no gimmies rightno, this whole schedule, there's
no gimmies.
This is a very tough week byweek.

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I think they're lucky they gotthe Browns week three, because I
don't think Shador oranything's going to be settled
by then.
I think if you see the Brownslater in the season, I think
they could be a different team.
So I think seeing them earlieron is going to actually be a
benefit to this Packers team.
I think you're looking at anArizona team and you're like you
got to win that game.
You got to beat Carolina.

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You have to somehow beatCincinnati.
You have to win your home games, right.
So that's looking at teams.
New York, you got to go to NewYork, win that game.
It's, it's the.
You got to have these games.
The NFC North.
You can't afford to lose athome, right, you can go on the
road and lose in Detroit and not, you know you're not, you're
not losing at all right there.
But if you lose week one toDetroit at home and then you
have Washington four days later,that's not good.

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That's not a good start,because then you do have
Cleveland coming up, which issupposed to be your little bit
of a break, but then you go toDallas and I know everybody's
going to say, oh, jerry and theCowboys, I tell you what.
They're a regular season team.
They've never been a playoffteam, but they find ways to win
in the regular season and Iwouldn't count it out.

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And the Packers are prettysuccessful in AT&T.
So, like it's not, like I'm not, I'm not saying the Packers
can't go down there and win, butyou don't want to set yourself
up bad, so this schedule isgoing to be a lot of sandwich
games, not setting yourself upbad, bad winning the games that
you're supposed to win.
Is there that game, when youlooked at the schedule, the even
a stretch of games where you'relike this could be the make or

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break moment, because there'salways that moment in a schedule
right, I see it all the time inbasketball schedules where it's
like when you get in aconference play, this is the
make or break stretch of games.
Right here, the tough games,the tough stretches.
Is there that tough stretch?
When you look at it, you'relike this is where the Packers
it's going to be, that put up orshut up time for the Green Bay
Packers, right here.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Right then, this is where they got to be at their
best you know what I feel likeif, after basically the Monday
night game with the Eaglesonward, so midseason point,
second week of November, reallyat that point you've kind of
gone through the gauntlet of thefirst half of the season with

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some marquee teams.
You know Dallas has a prettygood talent but they have a new
coaching staff.
You know former, you know NFCchampionship arrival game of the
Commanders.
Then you know, got the Lionsand Bengals and Cardinals.
But once you get past all themPhiladelphia Eagles, super Bowl
champs then you kind of workyour way down.
You got the Giants, their youngand up-and-coming team.
Minnesota and Detroit are stillthe Chicago Bears.

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You face them twice and this isthe first time you're going to
be seeing them Come Decemberwill be the first time you see
the Bears.
At that point both the Packersand the Bears are going to be
very much established as whothey really are at that point in
the season.
And I think we mentioned theBroncos who have probably one of
the best defenses in the leagueand a young and up-and-coming
offense with Bo Nix, and thenclose it out with the Ravens and

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the Vikings.
I think you just said a secondago, last four weeks of the
season sucks, that second half.
We're going to really know, upuntil that point, what kind of
team the Packers are, becausethey're going to have about two
months to figure it out and then, literally before we go to
Baltimore, we'll have an idea ifwe're a playoff caliber team or
not.
I mean, I know what I have is arecord guess for the year but

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honestly, you know what we wantand what really happens.
Sometimes they line up andsometimes they don't, and I feel
like that second half of theseason is really going to show
us what the Packers are reallymade of, which, I think, are the
generic answers I'm not tryingto be cliche by any means right,
but definitely feel like theyhave a great way of rounding out
the season with some teams,that basically every team is up
and coming and has the talent tobe good.

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Will they teams that?

Speaker 2 (23:06):
basically every team is up and coming and has the
talent to be good.
Will they, though?
Is a question.
I like the end it's go win thedivision.
Yes, with all.
You know, some people hate whenyou backload all these nfc
north teams at the end.
Right, they're like why aren'tthey spread out?
Because you have chicago.
Basically, you have chicago,then denver, then chicago again.
It's like why are you playingchicago so much?
Maybe, maybe that could havebeen separated a little bit, but
I do like the.

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You have this week 12 to week18, where you're seeing
Minnesota twice, you're seeingChicago twice, you're seeing
Detroit in there, and then youhave two random games with
Denver and Baltimore.
Those are the weird ones, butoutside of that, you have go win
the division right now.
Right, I like that.
I enjoy that kind of schedule,meg, because now it's okay.
You went through the rest ofyour games.

(23:47):
Where are we at now, and nowwe're playing these division
games?
How are we sitting?
Are we going to win this thing?
Do we have the ability to winthis thing?
Where are we at?
You control your own destiny.
That's where I think thePackers are in this schedule.
Is they're going to controltheir own destiny by the time
they get to that week 12 game.
What did you do against what Iguess you would say is the
easier part of the schedule?
What did you do against theeasier part of the schedule?

(24:08):
Now you're getting into thisgauntlet time, so that's kind of
where I'm looking in there.
So I would say what's the?
What's the?
What game are you most excitedfor?
I mean, is there a game in herewhere you're like I'm excited
to watch the Packers play?
I mean, you know you see mostof these teams basically every
year, but what's that game whereyou're like I'm excited for

(24:29):
this matchup on this day?

Speaker 1 (24:41):
I mean, honestly, the three games that I'm really
excited about Bengals because Iam a Joe Burrow fan, because of
my LSU fandom, the Eaglesbecause they are the Super Bowl
champs, and the Ravens because Ilove Lamar and just seeing how
we can match up with thosehigh-power offenses and then, of
course, against the formerchamps, how we can hold them
maybe hopefully to a loss athome in Lambeau.
Those are my three that I'mvery, very excited about.

(25:03):
I'm not going to.
I love Jay and Daniels, I'm anLSU guy and I kind of love them,
but honestly, I'm terrified ofthat game because of where it's
located.
But when it comes to the otherthree, yeah, those games could
go either way, but I feel likethey're all going to be very
exciting games.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I tell you what those games for those two the opening
two games at Lambeau betweenDetroit, and then when they put
Washington.
I'm on ESPN looking at all thisstuff.
Yeah, I got you and it saystickets as low as $303 for the
opening game and then the weeklater tickets are already
selling for as low as $277.
That's nuts.
That's expensive tickets to getinto the game For, like a free

(25:41):
day.
Well, I mean, you look even farahead.
This is Philadelphia.
Yeah, 7-15 game on a Monday,Tickets as low as $282.
I mean I'm not saying likethat's great, Like if tickets
are high, that means fans arebuying them.
That's great, and you're goingto have sold-out places.
I love that and hopefully, Iknow a lot of people are mad

(26:02):
about this.
I know a lot of people are madabout this about season ticket
holders having their ticketstaken away.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
I saw that.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Hopefully we can talk about that in a minute,
hopefully.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, let's talk about that.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Let's talk about that , because I know there's a lot
of upset people.
Here's my thing In today's dayand age, the Packers, many other
businesses right, this is abusiness.
This is nothing more than abusiness.
Yeah, they have the ability totrack you and your ticket and
your numbers and where they'regoing.
Yeah, and when they find outthat you've sold every single
time for the past, how manyyears in a row and you've never

(26:38):
been to Lambeau in that stretchof games?
Yeah, why are you complaining?
Yeah, that's the soft story.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, why are you complaining?
Yeah, that's the soft story.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, yeah, I don't get it.
You can.
If you got it taken away andyou've been to Lambeau or you're
like, oh well, you know thishappened, this life-changing
thing happened and I didn't makeit for six weeks.
Okay, like those, I'm like dude, like you can't expect them to
be there every single week.
Sometimes life gets in the wayI get there every single week.
Sometimes life gets in the way Iget those, but when it's been
multiple years and you have thelongest wait time in basically

(27:08):
all sports to get enough, get aticket, get a season ticket, and
you have the longest wait timeand you are at the head of that
because you already have it andyou have a line of people where
if I signed my baby up right now, he wouldn't be until he's like
30 or 40.
He maybe would get tickets,season tickets, to the packers.
Outside of that, he's no way Iat this point, if you're selling

(27:29):
them off, and that's whydetroit fans are able to
infiltrate lambo yeah orphiladelphia can come over,
chicago can come up, orminnesota fans I'm okay with
them being there.
Like I, I don't hate whenopposing fans are there.
I think it creates a greatatmosphere.
But I also don't like when morethe majority of lambo is blue.
I don't like when the majorityof lambo is purple.

(27:51):
I hate the color purple.
I don't like when it's purple.
I like blue, but I don't likeblue.
Detroit blue oh wait, crap.
I do like baby blue.
Detroit sucks, but anyways,anyways, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Like the guy's story was like oh, my parents have had
cancer and I've been dealingwith that and that's why I'm
able to go to games.
Okay, I get that, but I waslike, if it's for multiple years
, I was like, I understandthere's some cancer that can
linger, I get all that.
I was like, but clearly I don'tfeel like the packers are so
heartless that they want to takesome of that stuff into

(28:26):
consideration, unless they werelike okay, I think you're just
saying that you're just sellingthe tickets for profit, right?
Yeah, every time me, as a fanwho lives in northern virginia
has to watch my boys on tv and Isee the opposing teams fans all
over the stadium to the pointwhere you can notice it, which
is something you would never seeat Lambeau Field for many, many
years it's like all right, Iget people.

(28:47):
You know they want to make somemoney.
They're hard on times theycan't make it to the game.
Contact Kyle Kuzno.
Kyle Kuzno is the de factomayor of Green Bay.
He's not the real mayor, buthe's basically kind of like it.
That guy on Twitter, if youhave tickets you want to sell,
he will help you find otherPacker fans to sell them to that
way, then we all stay in-house.

(29:08):
Now still, I can see Packer youknow 1265, maybe pulling your
tickets eventually.
But as long as you're sellingthem to other Packer fans, like
then you're doing like you'renot doing it as a disservice by
selling them to the enemy.
I mean, I get it To some people.

(29:31):
It's not that serious.
It is to me, and I agree toothat wait list is no joke.
You talk about you putting yourbaby in now, like literally 30,
40 years there they may get ashot at tickets.
And I'm just like, if you don'twant your tickets and you just
want to keep selling them, youdon't want 10 games and, like
you say, you want to make it abusiness well, I mean, then
there might be somerepercussions of that, because
that's what the tickets arethere for.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
The tickets are there for fans that want to go to the
games.
I agree, and that's I.
I really do think if they werejust more careful and they said
not, I don't want to just go tothe highest bidder because
that's what they're looking.
They're looking at the highest.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
That's all it is.
Yeah, that's all I want to sellto a packer fan.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Because I tell you what I'm a part of 45 different
groups on Facebook of Packerfans I'm a part of.
I mean Twitter everywhere.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
You can find.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Packer fans.
They don't hide very likePacker fans, don't hide it.
They don't hide that they're aPacker fan.
You can find Packer fans whoare like I'm not doing nothing
on Sunday, sure, I'll buy yourticket from you, that's great,
and you know, you know I'll payX amount of dollars.
Maybe I'm not going to pay,like a Detroit Lions fan will
pay just to get over here, butI'm going to pay you a good
amount to get into that game ifit's a good ticket, right?
Yeah, I just think they've beentoo careless with it and not

(30:32):
caring, and I think that's wherethe Packers finally stepped in
and said well, there's somethingto be said about home field
advantage.
Yes, when we go to a team likePhiladelphia and we see that we
want that.
We want that here.
When we go to Detroit and wehear how loud it is, we want
that here because we know howloud Lambeau can get.
Look at Arrowhead when they getthat place going.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
my goodness, I mean it's open and they record some
of the loudest sounds out there.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's ridiculous.
So I'm with the fans who maybethey just couldn't make it
because they, like you said, raninto some health problems,
everything like that.
I feel for that.
I do.
I feel for that and there areways that you can talk.
I guarantee it.
Talk with the Packers.
Be like, hey, this is what'sgoing on.
Okay, we come to anunderstanding.

(31:21):
But at the same time, if you'rejust selling them off to the
top bidder, that's also aproblem in the Packers' eyes and
it's a business.
At the end of the day, it's abusiness.
You can be upset, but it's thebusiness.
I don't know what else to saybesides.
Every major league sport is abusiness and at the end of the
day, we're at the mercy of saidbusiness.
So that's it.
That's plain and simple.
Let's play it simple on that.

(31:41):
So we got a little more packertalk here.
We're gonna get to more packerstoday.
We got more packer talk here.
After the quick break we'regonna come back.
We're a little late for thebreak.
We're gonna come back here.
We're gonna talk more packershere on the backside.
We'll be right back onwisconsin sports on the go with
trage.
Welcome back to wisconsinsports on the go with trage.
I'm your host trades coming backon this wednesday and hey, I

(32:03):
just wanted to remind everybodyout there that vikings fans
sometimes can be a little, alittle crazy.
A little crazy, that's all I'mgonna say.
They could be a little crazy.
We're gonna talk about why.
But I'm gonna tell you rightnow you'd be crazy not to get
down to form it's hardware,that's all I know.
You'd be crazy not to get downthere.
They have a boatload of dealsright now.
And if you get in there rightnow and you tell them I sent you

(32:25):
, tell them trade sent you.
You get 5% off Spices, traggers, pellets, I mean sauces.
You got tools, you got hardware.
You got gardening supplies.
You have dirt, I mean they haveeverything, basically
everything you need to dolandscaping outside of.
Well, a willing self, that'sabout it.

(32:45):
They can't make you want to doit, but they can.
They can send you a flyer thattells your wife get down there
and get some stuff from the landto get landscape the yard here.
So that's all I know.
That's all I know.
You'd be crazy not to get downperformance hardware for those
great deals right now in loyalkobe or medford, wisconsin.
Tell them I sent you tell themtrade sent, you tell them Trey
sent, you get 5% off there.
So, umber, I was watching.

(33:06):
The other night I had this guyon TikTok that I watch.
The Vikings guy they call him,and I'm watching him and I'm
commenting in and he kind ofignores me sometimes because he
doesn't want to talk to me aboutPackers or anything like that.
But I can't remember what Isaid and he tells me that I am

(33:27):
just a butthurt packer fanbecause I am, I, I am not, I'm
not gonna like, and I have tocome to the realization that
jordan love is going to probablybe the worst quarterback in the
nfc north.
That's what he told me.
Okay and okay, jared golf had agreat year last year.
Yeah, I ain't gonna knock that.
Jared goff was great.
Okay, I I actually said at onepoint I was like jared goff

(33:50):
could be an mvp.
In a normal year where you don'thave all these other guys
popping off, jared goff could bean mvp candidate.
I thought he was.
I thought he was veryconsistent.
I thought the game againsthouston didn't help him and I
thought there was some of thosegames that didn't help out very
much, but I thought he was agreat and very instrumental in
what detroit was able to do.
So I I looked at mvp and I saidhe out takes his team over the
top now is he ahead of saquon?

(34:11):
No, was he ahead of lamar?
No, I don't think so.
But was he a great quarterback?
Yes, cale williams, I felt likehe was just in a terrible spot.
He had a terrible coach, he hada terrible system, and when you
put all those things togetherand receivers that just look
like they didn't care, you putall those things together you
have a disaster.
So can Caleb Williams be great?
Sure, he could be great.

(34:31):
I'm not saying he can't be.
I think he's got to get out ofhis own way.
I think he's got.
I it's, it's all up there forhim, just like I said before,
jordan Love Well, he could besomething if Ben Johnson could
put it all together.
Jj McCarthy I liked him incollege.
I don't hate JJ McCarthy.
I want to get this out of theway.
I don't hate JJ McCarthy.

(34:51):
I didn't hate him at Michigan.
I thought he was a solid dude.
Is he a great quarterbackthough?
No, never has been.
If he's going to be a greatquarterback, he's going to take
that Brock Purdy way around theboard.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Look to get to a great quarterback.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
And there will always be the question marks of was it
the talent around him that gothim that point?
Because Brock Purdy's in thatsame boat.
Everybody's like oh I don'tknow, anybody can win with this
offense.
Because they got you know CMCand they got Brandon Ayuk.
Because they got you know cmcand they got brandon iuk and
they got devo and they gotgeorge kittle.
Anybody can win with thatoffense.
And then we saw other guys tryand they suck.
So I'm gonna go with.

(35:30):
It was brock purdy a little bitalong the way, right.
But I look at jj mccarthy and Isay the same thing I, I really
do.
If I had to pick a cop for jj II really like.
I don't know if he's as good asBrock Purdy, but I would say he
reminds me of a guy like BrockPurdy.
So, I mean, I don't know, thiswas a little far out there.

(35:51):
I think JJ McCarthy's got a lotto prove.
I also think, honestly, calebWilliams has got a lot to prove.
Yeah, 100%.
I think Jordan Love has a lotto prove too.
But what the thing with it isis I look at those guys and and
I'm going to say this in thenice way possible, cause I like
to be fair to all fan bases tooI don't think any of those guys
have fully reached theirpotential.
No, williams, jj McCarthyHasn't definitely because he

(36:14):
hasn't been out there.
And Jordan love I don't thinkJordan love has reached his full
potential.
When they do, I think this mightbe one of the best divisions
for quarterbacks.
If he has me, I don't Detroitafter golf, I don't know what
they're going to do, but withthe rest of these guys I love it
.
I want to see Hendon hooker.
That's what I want to see fromhe can play.
I liked him.
I liked him at Tennessee.
I thought he was great atTennessee.

(36:34):
It was always fun to watch andthen he went.
You know, I'd be interested tosee him play.
But I mean, you hear that.
You hear this Vikings guy.
He says basically, packer fansshouldn't be surprised when
Jordan loves the worstquarterback in the North.
Honestly, if all thesequarterbacks pan out the way
that, I mean people think thatthey will the experts right it

(36:58):
could be a three-horse,four-horse, pretty darn good
quarterback division in myopinion.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
So I mean, these are the same fans that said that
Mitch Trubisky was going todethrone Aaron Rodgers.
These are the same guys thatsaid that.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
He was beating them for one whole game until Rodge
came back.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, with a broken knee my knee and in my orchestra
, one of the best comebacks ever, don't forget.
Mike Patton shut down thatoffense a second half.
They scored three points afterthat.
Uh, and so every year thepackers have set the standard in
the nfc north, regardless of wewin the division or not, and
every year every team in thedivision is always trying to

(37:36):
play catch up.
Detroit has literally won thedivision probably two years and
two seasons in a row, and theystill talk about us the bears
they can't keep us out theirmouth.
The vikings I mean, they reallyhave no idea what they have in
the quarterback right now.
Like, not like jj mccarthycould be pretty good or he could

(37:56):
be nothing correct.
And the truth is like, yeah, hewas pretty, he's pretty decent
in michigan, but in michigan hereally didn't have to do a lot.
In Michigan that team wascompletely stacked and won the
championship and they had talentup and down that roster.
So you know again, minnesota isbuilt in a very similar way.
Kevin O'Connell is a very goodquarterback, whisperer, pretty

(38:16):
good OC.
I'm a hater, so I'm just goingto hate a little bit, but the
truth is he's a pretty goodcoach though, and Caleb
Williamss to me is he is exactlywho we saw.
He was in college.
There's not much of a drop offin the fact that he doesn't play
on schedule.
He doesn't play on time.
He does play a little bit morebackyard football, scramble king

(38:37):
kind of guy, a little bit ofwhat roger did the end of his
career in green bay and evenwhat he did in New York as well
until his last year.
I think quarterbacks like thatcan only survive for so long
playing that way.
And if Jordan Love somehowturns out to be the worst
quarterback in this divisionwhich I don't think is going to
happen, and that means everybodyelse has hit their stride and
hit their pinnacle point ofbeing very good quarterbacks,

(39:00):
that may not be saying muchbecause they all might be still
pretty good.
They all might be in the top 10anyways.
Right, yeah, but personallyjordan love, back-to-back years,
has had a pretty good seasonstatistically.
Uh, I know that when you lookedat his gameplay from week in
and week out, we didn't feelthat way.
But numbers wise, you know,yardage wise, he was a little

(39:20):
short, but his touchdowns andinterceptions were pretty good.
He didn didn't have as manytouchdowns, but that's because
he missed a lot of games, but hestill had 25 touchdowns.
He did have a number of picks,but his picks did stay pretty
consistent.
His completion percentage wentup by a little bit and, all in
all, if there's anybody that hasthe most chance to be even more

(39:43):
successful, I think it's Jordan.
Just because of the fact thatthe consistency and the
continuity of the team rightcoaching staff, players around
him and just just the way theteam has been built, uh, it does
eliminate a lot of his excuses,um.
But again, I just think fans atnfc north in particular, uh,
they're always biting, they'realways hating, they're they're
never their team could.

(40:04):
Literally the way theycelebrate Minnesota celebrated
after being us in Minnesota waslike they won the Super Bowl,
right, I mean, they had Sam Darnon their shoulders, they were
sparkling, they were throwingwater all over him.
It was like they thought theyhad a champagne party and the
Lombardi Trophy was coming out,but guess what?
Nothing came out and all thatcame out was after that they

(40:26):
basically had dud games.
After that they just didn't evenshow up.
So again, I think out of allthe teams in the NFC North, the
Packers are the ones minusDetroit had, the ones that
actually showed success in theplayoffs and so yeah, no.
I agree, I can't wait to see.
I can't wait for Jordan toprove them all wrong, so I'm

(40:48):
down for it.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
This is going to be a fun one.
I think this is going to be afun division for a while, you
know, with the talent thatthey're going to have at the
quarterback rooms and if Detroit, like we talked about, had a
hooker there before.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, I would.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
I think it's going to be a fun division to watch.
And I think you said somethinggreat there with Jordan Love.
From what we saw last year Ithink a lot of it was the
numbers were there, the winningwasn't.
And when you're not winningfootball games, you try to find
different areas you can point atand say what could be better,
right, and we look at theoffensive line, the pre-stab
penalties, look at all thatstuff.

(41:21):
But we also look at OK, how didJordan Love look?
And that's where you're like,ah, it didn't look good all the
time, so that's where you'rekind of looking all over the
place.
So I would agree with you there,but I just thought that was
crazy when I seen that there.
So I have a question.
Yes, Because a lot of Packerfans are asking this and I think
we get the same question everysingle off season.

(41:42):
Okay, Do we trust Matt LaFleurto call the offense Because we
talk about it?
It seems like every off season,we and even Matt LaFleur gets
the question every off seasonwhere he's like do you think you
should call the offense?
And like you've told me and I,like we've heard him say it's
like, until somebody else, youknow, until they think that
somebody else is better, I'mgoing to do it.
Okay, that's fine.

(42:04):
So do we trust him?
Do we trust him?
Do we think that this offenseand Matt LaFleur has the ability
to take this offense and say,okay, let's make this thing to
be one of the best in the NFC?
Do you think Matt LaFleur hasgot that ability?

Speaker 1 (42:18):
I think so.
I think the way he came up, theway he has designed his resume,
the way he has designed hisresume, the way he's designed
this team, the way he's beenvery innovative with the
different things he's tried, Ido think that sometimes, because
he did something and it used towork and then it stopped
working, that he stopped goingto it, like his mesh concepts
and stuff like that from 2019and 2020.

(42:38):
I do feel like he may want totry to go back to that again,
because he has the pieces tomake it work.
With all the with, with, withgolden, with Savion, to include
Josh Jacobs and Emmanuel Wilsonback there and also Marshawn
Lloyd.
I do believe he can do it.
I definitely think that he needsto get out of his own way, and
what I mean by that is he didhave a tendency of getting a

(43:00):
little too conservative at times, and then it's like he got
conservative when he should beaggressive and then he got
aggressive when he should beconservative.
Right, it's like, no matterwhat he did, he was always
picking the wrong thing and Ithink, hopefully with more input
from the guys around him, evenyou got Rich Passaccia coming
back and saying that he's doinganother year.
He was going to retire becausehe felt like he let LeFleur down

(43:22):
.
I think you know, as anassistant head coach, you have
to be the next best guy when itcomes to understanding
situations and game to.
You know play to play, what todo.
I do feel like Matt LeFleur isan offensive genius.
I mean looking at some tapethat Dusty Everly has broken
down and just watching the wayhe shows, from play to play, how

(43:44):
he sets things up, I think he'sa masterclass at that.
He did learn from the best fromKyle and from Mike Shanahan.
Because of that, I do believehe can do it.
With that being said, this yearmight be that year where, if we
start seeing thisdisjointedness again, from
weekend to week, out from gamein the game, out, from quarter

(44:05):
quarter in the quarter out yep,questions might start coming up
more often, more so than theydid last year.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Right, I think the big thing is and, like you said,
is it disjointed?
Do you have control of thelocker room?
Can you do both right?
Because if you're so focused onthe game plan we feel like
you're so focused on the gameplan that we don't believe that
you have control of the lockerroom, or the locker room's lost,
or you're losing this or thatjust seems like they're not
coming out prepared, or you knowthis whole team as a unit isn't

(44:32):
fired up, then that becomes myworry, then it becomes okay are
you doing your job as the headcoach first, because you're my
head coach first, then you're myoffensive play caller.
So that's, that's because Imean, as a head coach, you can
still.
You can still call the offense.
You just maybe aren't in that.
You know, as in that room, aswhat we've seen, do you have
that ability to control both?
That's that's where we're kindof going to be at a crossroads,

(44:56):
I guess, coming up this seasonto see, like you said, with Matt
LaFleur, if he can do both andif that does transpire and grow,
does he grow as a head coachand a play caller out there.
So I had one question here.
We're getting close to ourbreak here.
But I have one question for you, because I know you've got to
get out of here.
But the Packers, we know thatthey didn't address the

(45:17):
defensive line.
Yeah, the Bengals are know thatthey didn't address the
defensive line.
Yeah, the bangles are havingsome problems.
Okay, trey henderson, becausethe bangles are cheap and they
just went and they signed up thaggins and jamar chase because
that was what made joe burrowhappy.
Joe burrow, if he wanted to,could probably tell the bangles,
hey, go sign trey henderson,because don't let him go,
because joe burrow is basicallythe gm of his team at this point

(45:37):
.
But the bangles have it.
I mean, I, I, trey hendrickson,17 and a half sacks, 65
pressures in 2024 that's prettydarn good numbers.
You put him across from seangary.
That helps.
Over sean gary.
Maybe you can call the banglesand say, hey, we got this guy in
lucas van ness.
We, we don't believe in him.

(45:58):
Well, we shouldn't say that,right, we believe in him and we
know that he can get there andwe can give you guys these picks
too.
And we can give you Lucas VanNess, because what's the point
on having him if you've got TreyHendrickson and Rashawn Gary?
You're not really going toutilize him anymore.
Okay, we can give you thisup-and know that.

(46:26):
We think, pass rusher, we cangive you some picks, we can deal
these out.
You send us trey anderson, wecan make him happy over here.
What are your thoughts?
I, I'm all in, I'm all into myif you, I, I, if I'm goody, I
don't care if they take the deal.
I'm calling the bangles nightin and night out until either
they sign him long term orsomebody else makes that trade.
I am calling them day after dayafter day, just annoying the
crap out of them, giving themdifferent options and saying,
okay, if you don't like it, giveme your options and then have

(46:46):
them throw them at you, becausethe closer and closer you get to
the season, they're gonna wantto get this done.
They don't want to leave themjust sit there.
They're gonna want to get thisdone.
Trey anderson's want to getthis done.
The packers gonna want, becausethe value becomes less and less
the closer you get.
So I mean I'm where we looking.
They're like I'm all in on treyhendrickson, I'm all in on the
packers going out and gettingthis bona fide pass rusher,

(47:07):
because if you get him, I thinkthe stock and the you know, or
the packers super bowlcontenders.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
I think that goes way up with a guy like trey
hendrickson coming in I mean,honestly, like I look at guys
like Trey Hendrickson, tj Watt,guys who are semi-upset with
their teams I think Hendricksonis a hell of a lot more upset
than Mr Watt is.
I think that it reminds me ofthe Reggie White you know pickup
, back in the day when he was afree agent and you know God told

(47:34):
him to come to Green Bay and inreality, reality, which is a
crap ton of money, right?
Um, fact is, uh, getting a guylike him, you're gonna have to
figure out a way to extend him.
I do trust in russ ball.
He'll figure out a way to makeit work.
Right.
And does that mean you have torestructure certain contracts?
When it comes to jair, when itcomes to love, when it comes to
kenny clark and other guys,that's fine.
I don't give up on lucas vanness, but I understand the logic

(47:57):
with it, because for me I likedthe Van Ness pick at the time
minimally only because I wantedJSN right.
But I was like, okay, I can seethe logic a little bit, but
since then I just haven't seenhim take the next step.
I don't know how much of thatwas coaching and how much of
that was his talent.
So the Covington defensive linecoach pickup.

(48:25):
We'll see if that makes thedifference.
But let's say, okay, you havean opportunity to trade away
lucas van ness, a second and athird, and the second could turn
into a first if he does so manysnaps.
He makes all pro, all thesedifferent.
You know these stipulationsthey put in right, and then you
have to still extend him too.
So you do all that.
You're talking about greatlyimproving our opportunities to
become Super Bowl appearancesthis year, because right now,
rashawn Gary ever since hisinjury, he's a good player, but

(48:47):
I feel like he just isn't thereyet where he was before he got
towards ACL in Detroit, right,yep?
And you do need somebody on theother side literally defensive
player of the year and TreyHendrickson to take off the
pressure on the whole defensiveline.
You're not just talking aboutRashawn Gary, you're talking
about Kay Clark, you're talkingabout Slate and you're talking

(49:08):
about, possibly, stackhouse andBrimson and Wyatt.
All those guys will have lesspressure on them because they're
going to have a guy likeHendrickson who demands at least
two people on them at all times.
Tj watt, same way too.
So I make that trade.
I figure out how to make itwork because at the day.
There's a reason why there'ssome teams that make these
trades like I hate to use theseeagles as an example, but

(49:30):
they're willing to make tradesand do tradeaway assets or
players or things like that getmarquee guys in there and get
that last bump they need overthe hump to be able to be again.
There's a reason why they'vebeen a super bowl last two, last
three years yep and I feel likeour one deficiency right now is
pass rush and banking all thaton just a coach to make the

(49:52):
difference.
I feel like it's a lot of apressure on that coach and b it,
just you know, I feel like itcould be a recipe for disaster,
because if that doesn't get thejob done, if our pass rush is
still crappy, then it's okay.
Then what are you doing?
Right, because henderson'sbridges with cincinnati are
almost all burnt.
Yeah, like he got the coacheven telling him that, hey, if
you don't show up, you're gonnabe fined.

(50:12):
And I'm like, hey, like zach,like I'm a big zach taylor guy.
I'm like, dude, what are youdoing?
You doing You're literallyputting your best player on the
spot because he's not happy withhis contract and he was
promised a contract extension ifhe played well, which he did.
So it's like all right, well,someone's not coming through on
their promises, and Cincinnatihas already proven that they
don't know what they're doingwhen it comes to their players.

(50:32):
They're not even signing theircontracts that they've set up,
for their rookies aren't eventhat good, to the point where if
they get hurt and it's not acareer-ending injury they don't
even get coverage.
There's something crazy likethat.
Right when I'm just like I cansee why people aren't happy to
be there.
Right, and Joe Burrow took a.
He restructured his deal justto fit Jamar Chase and Higgins
under his contract sorry, underthe cap.

(50:53):
So I'm like, well, I don't knowif there's any more money left
for Hendrickson, and if thereisn't, yeah, you need to get the
most you can for him and you'renot going to cut him right.
So if someone's offering you athird or fourth round pick that
could turn into a second or athird or whatever you want to do
, and then they get a playerwith that, you take that deal
and run.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I would agree.
I would agree there, and youknow the difference of Trey
Hendrickson.
That's all I got to say.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I can see that I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I just mentioned, there is the pass rush and when
you have him in there, it makeseverything easier for everybody
else.
It makes Rashawn Gary that muchbetter.
It makes those guys up themiddle that much better.
Trey Henderson, is that kind ofdifference on a defense and is
the difference between you're an11 win team or a 13 win team
and I?
I'm taking that to the bank.
I will anytime A guy like thisis guaranteed a couple wins.

(51:40):
That's where I'm at with a movelike this.
So I agree, you make a movelike this because you want to go
win a Super Bowl, and that'sthe difference between Super
Bowl winning organizations andnot is, when the opportunity
presents itself to go and win it, you go and win it, and that's
how you win right?
Not in hypothetical terms.
Right, you go and win it with amove like this.

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So albert's got to get out ofhere.
We got to hit a break because,holy crap, we're woefully late
again.
We're gonna hit a break here.
We're gonna come back, we'regonna wrap it up, we're gonna
hit the top of the hour.
We got more talk today.
We got brewer talk, we got Imean, we got all kinds of stuff
to get to bucks later.
But nba, whatever we're gonnaget to, we don't even know yet.
Kyle's gonna be here.
We got all kinds of stufftalking about, so we'll be back
here.
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show real quick here before wehit the top of the hour.
So, ruben, nice, I love thatname, ruben, nice, ruben
sandwich.
He said it's a tough draw withthe Lions right away.
Bye week is way too soon.
Tough road schedule last partof the season.
Just hope we're healthy.
I agree we talked about thatearlier, umar and I did, with
the bye week being early, theLions right away, a couple quick

(53:29):
turnaround games there and alot of road games to end it.
I agree 100% there.
So I love that answer therefrom Ruben.
Matt Cairns said opening theseason at home is nice but sucks
.
They drew the Lions Early byeweek.
Four of the last six on theroad to end the year.
I agree with you, matt.
I really do.

(53:50):
I agree with you there.
It sucks.
We talked about that.
The end of the year stretch forthe Packers is going to be a
struggle.
The end of the year stretch forthe Packers is the hardest part
of that schedule there.
So I would agree with you 100%on that.
One.
Chad told us that he sees 8-9wins.
All right, all right, I had11-12.
So I mean 8-9?

(54:11):
We'll see, we'll see.
I mean that's a low numberprediction, because the
prediction is a prediction.
You can't.
You can't really predict crapoutside of that.
I don't think that JJ McCarthyis going to all of a sudden be
one of the best quarterbacks inthe NFC North.
That's what I got.
That's the only prediction thatI'll give out there.
Todd did tell us that nothingto really analyze to be the best

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you Last part of the statementif you want to be the best,
you've got to be the best.
We can analyze anything, todd.
That's what we can do.
That's what we're here for asfans.
Our job is to analyzeeverything that the Packers give
us, whether it's a pressconference, whether it's a
schedule, whether it's stats.
That's what we do.
That's what we do for fun.
We analyze.
We analyze games.
That's the fun of it.

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A lot to analyze with this onehere is that it's a tough
schedule and it's going to be atough stretch for the Green Bay
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So, kyle, back here tonight.
Kyle, how we doing?
It's Wednesday.
We're making it through theweek.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
How we doing on.
I'm good, despite my team nolonger being in the playoffs,
but I do think it's going to begood to see a new champion.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
So I can't complain.
I I love that answer because mypro it was my problem with
college football playoff, theonly one I had with the final
four teams for the longest timewas it was Clemson and Alabama
every single year and it gotexhausting after a while.
It's just like I understandthey're the two best teams at
this very moment, but it'sexhausting watching them both
here every single year and Iwould agree it's going to be

(56:48):
nice to see one of these teams,one of these guys, one of these
star players is going to gettheir first championship.
Is it Brunson?
Is it SGA?
Is it Anthony Edwards?
Is it SGA?
Is it Anthony Edwards?
Is it we hope not?
Tyrese Halliburton right, justanyways, but we hope not.
But it could be right.
So I mean, kyle, let's startthere, let's start right there,
with these championship gamescoming up, so we have the Pacers

(57:09):
and the Knicks.
Not exactly, if we look back,would we probably have predicted
this one?
Probably not.
Probably not, but I think thisis an enticing matchup.
This one probably not, probablynot, but I think this is an
enticing matchup.
I think this is a very enticingmatchup that can go one or two
ways I think it can go.
I mean, I I know you have pacerfans who are like this can be
over in five and you got nickfans who tell me it's over in
five.
I could see this series goingsix or seven.

(57:30):
I really could.
So I mean, what?
What about this series has gotyou excited to watch tyrese
halbert and jay Brunson thesetwo teams squaring off?
What's got you excited here?

Speaker 3 (57:41):
So I think part of it is the Pacers actually making
it back to the conference finals.
So I think might have to startlooking at them a little bit
differently, especially if theycan get through the Knicks and
get to the finals.
But it's going to be the Pacerswant to play free, wide-open
basketball.

(58:01):
The Knicks want to muddy it up,slow it down and be selective
with their opportunities intransition.
So it's going to be which teamcan impose their pace on the
other one first, like if thePacers speed up the Knicks, I
think the Knicks could play thatway a little bit, but I don't

(58:23):
think that's the way that theywant to.
And if the knicks can slow downthe pacers which I can, I think
we kind of said this with thepacers before, but it's like
slow them down, force them toexecute in the half court, I
think that would play into theknicks hands because the knicks,
we know, very physicaldefensively so and I think the
deeper we get into the playoffslike, the more the rest will

(58:44):
kind of allow.
So this is going to be aninteresting matchup, plus
brunson on halliburton.
At times, like, halliburton isa bigger point guard, so if he
can maybe exploit that a littlebit by forcing switches.
I think that could work intheir favor.
Yeah, no.
And for the Knicks it's likecat miles Turner very similar

(59:09):
play, kind of similar.
Like to be on the perimeter,like which one of them can
probably knock down the threemore efficiently, might have a
good hand in who wins thisseries as well.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
I you know for me and I love that, but for me it's
the role players.
Right, I'm looking at the roleplayers in this one and saying,
like, what does Ananobi give mein this one?
What is a guy like Josh Hartdoing a series like this?
Are those guys able tocontribute?
Like we saw him do against theCeltics, like we saw those guys
do against the Cavs Because Idon't know what goes out with
Nemhard but when the playoffsstart he just starts knocking

(59:41):
down shots.
And I thought I saw Matherinhad a pretty good season against
the Knicks.
Was I right?
Matherin was pretty darn goodagainst the Knicks in the
regular season.
I thought I saw.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
I think so yeah, yeah , and Neesmith, you got to throw
Neesmith too.
I was just saying that you haveto throw Neesmith in there, as
well as a guy.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Oh my goodness.
Yes, a lot of energy off thewing.
Wasn't Neesmith was a part of?
Was he a part of one of theseother teams at one point?
Was he with the Celtics at onepoint?
Yeah, that's what it was, andthey kind of were like I don't
know about you and that's whatthese Pacers are.
I mean, as much as I dislikewatching them because they are a

(01:00:21):
lot of loud mouth a lot of youknow, I don't agree with some of
the stuff that they do and Iit's just there's physical
basketball and then there's whatthe pacers sometimes do and
that they get into and I meanthey do a heck of a job getting
into your head.
But I will say this is a teamthat's overlooked and they play
like it and I think that is themo of.
You know a guy like neesmith ora guy like Nemhard or even a
guy like Matherin who's tryingto fight Giannis for some reason

(01:00:42):
.
I have no idea.
Everybody's trying to fightGiannis for some reason.
I have no idea what Giannisdoes to everybody, but they try
to all fight him.
But I think that's just.
It's an MO of this team is thatthey are an overlooked team and
that's their fuel and that'swhat they use there.

(01:01:03):
So I think this is going to be afun series because what the
Knicks showed against theCeltics I know Jason Tatum went
out, but that game that theKnicks won against the Celtics
when Jason Tatum got hurt, thatwas trending towards being a
classic finish, like one ofthose finishes where we look
back on in 10 years and we'relike, holy crap, do you remember
that game when Jason Tatum tookit down to the wire, jalen
Brunson was hitting shots?
This is a series where we'regoing to see two offenses that

(01:01:26):
can go at it pretty hard and,like you said, the athleticism
to kind of match each otherright.
That's where I think it's goingto be different, in my opinion.
I don't know, am I wrong therewhere I say I think the Knicks
can match physicality with thisPacers team better than what
we've seen so far out of theBucs and out of the Cavs there,
because both those teams kind ofseem like, well, the Cavs were

(01:01:47):
banged up.
They've kind of faced two teamswho've been banged up, haven't
been able to match thephysicality, the length and
everything like that.
The athleticism I think thisKnicks team can.
Am I right there?
Or do you think the Knicks kindof lack that athleticism?

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I think this Knicks team can.
Am I right there or do youthink the Knicks kind of lack
that athleticism?
No, I think they can becausewhen you look at guys like
Ananobi Hart who will be out onthe perimeter, they're athletic,
physical wing defenders.
So I think that they will beable to stay in front of some of
these guys on Indiana, where Ithink that's where like the

(01:02:19):
calves and them got in trouble,was like they allowed so much
that they were scrambling a lotdefensively.
Yeah, I think the knicks ifthey get into scramble mode, can
handle that a little bit better.
Like the one weakness will becat, because cat defensively has
his moments where he's like astep late, he's slow in reacting

(01:02:42):
and against the Pacers team ifthey have it going that can kill
you.
So if Cat can be locked in,they're going to put him in a
lot of pick and roll action with, you know, toppin and Turner
off of that, obviously to getthem open.
Looks at three cat reactscorrectly with those.
Then I think that's going towork really well for the knicks.

(01:03:02):
If not, it could be afrustrating series for them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
And the hard part is is, if you can't use cat, you
don't have a guy you know.
You put in mitchell robinsonbut he's not a good free throw
shooter and they're going totarget him like no other and
that's the pick and roll.
They love that.
They tore apart the bucks that.
They tore apart the Bucs withthat, they tore apart the Cavs
with that and, like you said,100% correct, the scramble is
what killed it.
I can't tell you how many timesI watched the Bucs just trying

(01:03:26):
to run around and catch up thethree-point shooters and then
all of a sudden there was a shot.
And you know what the hard partis.
Nembhard doesn't get hot andhe's a regular season Nembhard.
You could throw cat on him andjust say just keep him out of
the paint and you're fine.
Not in the playoffs, because inthe playoffs he knocks down
everything.
So that's kind of where we'reat.
So this is going to be aninteresting series.

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That one tips off here, Ibelieve that one tips off
tonight here, wednesday.
We're recording on Tuesday,everybody knows.
But that tips off on Wednesdaythere tonight here 7 o'clock.
So it's on right now hereacross many of the stations.
So flipping over WesternConference Timberwolves not
exactly a team that I did notexpect them to get here.

(01:04:08):
I don't know if I am just ofthe minority in that one, but
the Timberwolves were not a teamthis season when I watch them,
even in the series against theGolden State Warriors, if they
had Curry, I think that's a andpeople argue that, but I think
it's a completely differentseries with Curry there.
Without Curry, they look lost.
The Golden State Warriors looklost.
I just think this Timberwolvesteam, I don't know, they just

(01:04:29):
don't have it for me.
So I don't know, maybe I'm inthe minority of that.
I'll let you answer that one.
But the Thunder, this is a thatwe've been waiting for.
This it was last year, now it'sthis year.
We've been waiting for them torise to the occasion.
Thunder fans got nervousbecause they've never really
played from behind and I thinktheir regular season they beat
teams by 18 plus.
I think their margin was 18points.

(01:04:51):
So in a close game everybodywas worried about.
Well, they blew out the Nuggetsin game seven, so it didn't
even matter.
But I mean, kyle, what are welooking at?
This series, this one, I got tosay this one, I mean out of
both series.
They both have the potential tobe exciting, high flying, great
finishes.
Both go game.
Seven Like this is two, twomatchups where I don't think

(01:05:12):
there's an odd, and even I thinkthese two teams match up pretty
darn well.
Am I you seeing that with thisWestern Conference game too?

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Well, are you seeing that with this Western
Conference game too?
Yeah, I mean, I think for theTimberwolves we'll kind of look
back and say that they benefitedfrom the side of the bracket
that they were on.
You know, they got to face aLakers team that didn't have a
lot of size, and we saw that inthe clinching game where Rudy
Gobert kind of went off.
Then they went up against aWarriors team.
Like you said, I think it wasgoing to be a struggle for the

(01:05:40):
Warriors, even with Curry, butobviously once Curry was out,
butler didn't step up DraymondGreen's limited, so it was easy
for them.
That way.
This one's going to be theseries that they will be tested,
because Oklahoma City can kindof just come at you with waves
of guys.
You have SGA, who will kind ofget his own, but you could have

(01:06:01):
Jalen Williams go off one night,you could get Chet.
One night you may get a gamewhere Hartenstein's just
bullying guys on the interior.
Like Oklahoma City is very,very deep and a very balanced
team.
I think last year they learneda lot.
I think this I think last yearthey learned a lot.
I think this Nugget series theylearned a lot, because, look,

(01:06:24):
going into game seven.
I thought that series was kindof a toss-up because of what
they had done.
But then they came out in gameseven, put their foot down once
they got it going.
I mean Denver did have an earlylead in that one, but that
little stretch like at the endof the first half where they
just overwhelmed the nuggets, Ithink that's the thunder team

(01:06:45):
that scares a lot of other teams.
Like when they get it goinglike they, they get the
defensive pressure, they get theknockdown shooting from three
and you get sga.
That you also have to worryabout in the mid-range.
I mean he scores all threelevels but it's just they're
going to test Minnesota a lot inthis series.
I think Minnesota their biggestattribute is confidence.

(01:07:09):
If they are a confident team.
We see Ant aggressive, going tothe rim and then he knocks down
threes on you that are justback breakers, because it'll be
something where you have alittle run going.
He'll knock one down to end therun and then to kind of start
something for Minnesota, he'llknock down a three that might

(01:07:29):
extend a run and really forceyou into a timeout and then he,
being the emotional leader, getsthose other guys going.
So I think Ant's going to belocked in, but that's going to
be what you're looking for.
This is their biggest test.
You're going to need Ant to be100% locked in, looking to
attack, and he's being labeledas some legend killer or

(01:07:51):
something like this.
So now you've got the number oneteam.
I'm just saying a lot of peopleare just looking at some of the
teams that he's beaten.
It's like like now you have thenumber one team, not
necessarily any legends on thisteam, but this is now your test,
where you're like if you takeout Oklahoma City you might just
be the favorite to win it all.
At that point we can't say likeyou haven't beaten anybody

(01:08:15):
Because, like I said, you beat aLakers team that a lot of
people were on that lakers teammaking a surprise run.
Then you take down the warriors, who I think a lot of people
were like the warriors as alower seed could surprise some
people.
Now if you take out the oneseed, the east is going to look
kind of easy for you yeah, no, Iwould agree.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
I.
I just hate the labels they tryto label guys like.
I remember anthony edwards waslabeled as the next michael
jordan he's the next coming ofmichael jordan, and then that
went fast.
That went way, way worse thanwhat it should have and I think
it got to his head andeverything like that.
But I I'm looking at thisseries and I'm like who's gonna
be the robin to the batman?

(01:08:55):
Right, you have sga, you haveanthony edwards.
Who's gonna come along, right?
you have to have somebody comealong for the ride.
Who's going to be that guy inthis series?
You know, you look at a guylike Jalen Williams when he kind
of goes away and he struggles,the thunder struggle, when he's
feeling it, and he's right therewith SGA.
Those two are night and day.
It's like boom, boom, boom.
Here we go.
You can put one guy, one guycan score it, the other guy can

(01:09:15):
facilitate, the other guy canscore and he can facilitate.
Those two play great together.
And then the same on the flipside.
But I think it's julius randall.
I think julius randall has tobe the x factor, along with
anthony edwards in that uhseries there with the
timberwolves.
So I I like this matchup.
I really do.
But I just think it's the samein both series.
The star power is there.
I just think it's going to bethe role players that are going

(01:09:36):
to decide it, because you alwayshave the star power.
It's just who's going to comealong and help it out, right,
who's going to be that guy?
And you know what?
About the legend killer too.
I just thought about that.
Steph curry didn't even play.
You can't count that.
We can't count that.
Steph wasn't even there.
Like he's there, but you beatdraymond, like you beat draymond
and still draymond had a prettygood series there.
He was knocking, knocking downshots.

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I was impressed, like Draymond.
He stepped up Jimmy's like I'monly going to shoot nine times.
Even though nobody's here toshoot the basketball, I'm going
to shoot nine times.
Same with somebody else hadthat in a clinching one there.
Oh, jokic.
Jokic went away for the Nuggetsthere.
I mean I get they lost by a lot, but he only took a few shots
there.
It's like he was already racinghorses at that point.
So I mean just it's that kindof yeah.

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So I mean I don't.
Let's do a serious prediction.
What do you got for me?
Who is going to be in your NBAfinals?
Timberwolves, thunder, and thenwe got the Knicks and the
Pacers.
Who is going to be your NBAfinals?
It's going to be excitingeither way.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
I think it's going to be great matchups, either way
you put it that's a goodquestion, because because in my
mind it's like two matchups work.
If the thunder make it through,I'd want the pacers.
I think that would be thebetter matchup.
That'd be fun.
That'd be a fun.
I think if the wolves getthrough, it has to be the knicks
, because that I think those twostyles match up better.

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Plus, you have the randall cat,oh yeah.
So it's almost like which oneof the two do I want to see?
And the more I think about, Ithink we're gonna get thunder.
I think the thunder beat thewolves in six and then I think
the pacers beat the nicks inseven.
Okay, we get thunder pacers Ilike that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Something entices me about the nicks whatever it is
with the nicks getting there.
Something enticed me that jalenbrunson's been fantastic.
He has just been nothing butfantastic and I know, you know,
the celtics had their issuesright, injury issues in that
series.
But son of a gun, I mean, evenif he was playing well like he,
he, he was carrying that team onhis back and I know you know
other guys came along to theparty.

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But that was a fun seriesregardless.
I, I do.
I like the knicks, I'm gonnatake the knicks, I like that
series.
Next, t wolves I I'm not likepeople say, because you're from
wisconsin, you're supposed tohate the timber.
Like why would like they don't?
They're nothing to me.
Like, honestly, they're nothingto me over there.
They're not a rival.
It's not like the bucks playthe pay, uh, the timberwolves
all the time.
It's like, no, it's not reallya rivalry.

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So I don't know, I'd be okayseeing it.
I just hope then the Knicks winit because I don't know,
anthony Edwards rubs me.
There's a lot of guys that rubme the wrong way.
So I have a question when wecome back from the break, we're
going to hit a quick break,we're going to come back.
Kyle's going to join us again.
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John Horst is meeting withGiannis.
What are you saying?
If you're John Horst, what isyour?
I'm going to say this toGiannis when he walks in that
door.
What am I going to say?
I want to hear what you got tosay.
I want to hear what Kyle's gotto say.
We're going to talk about it.
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So kyle and I every week.
Kyle is always a part of themellow yellow minute and if
nobody, if you haven't listenedto the show before.

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The mellow yellow minute is atrivia show that we dedicate to
my grandpa, who passed away.
It's a great segment of theshow that we've done here for
since the beginning of the show.
So, anyways, anyways.
So kyle came up with thequestion of the day, and that is
Trage's favorite MLB ballparksoutside of American family.
I cannot have American family.

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Feel lucky for him.
It wasn't even in my top three.
So, kyle, go one crazy one outthere and then I'll give hints.
Go one crazy one.
What do you got for me?

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
I was going to say Camden yards, baltimore.
I think it's still camden yards, but yeah I do like camden
yards.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
I take camden yards.
Yeah, I'll put that in my topthree.
Camden yards will be in the topthree.
I'll put it number three,that'd be enough warehouse
everything.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Yeah, it's got to be up there.
I think two I would go.
I probably know the old name,pnc Park, the Pirate Park, with
the skyline, everything I doenjoy PNC Park.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Yes, that is on there , definitely on there, number
one.
This one is going to beinteresting.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Because there are a couple that do come to mind.
I know Petco with the Padres isa nice one.
You have Bush with theCardinals, kind of a classic one
.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Is it classic?
Okay, it's a stadium, but theyredid it.
But I love this.
When they had this in theoutfield, it was awesome.
It was something weird in theoutfield.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
So first thing that came to mind was the little
mound area in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Houston yes, yes, I love that hill, I love that hill
, I absolutely love that hillWatching guys get hit up there
and they're climbing up thathill to try to go get it.
Yes, yes.
So if I had to pick one thatwas my favorite at one point, it
would be that just because ofthat hill, outside of that,
stadiums suck.
Otherwise, that's it.
Yeah, so there you go, trage'sfavorite ballparks the old Astro

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stadium with the hill out there, pnc park and Camden yards.
It was pretty good guessesthere, kyle, pretty darn good
guesses.
I mean, who would have saidWrigley?
Like honestly, who would havesaid Wrigley?
Nobody, absolutely.
It's like, why do you havevines out in the outfield and a
brick wall behind him and thevines don't grow until it's July
.
So it's just ugly until then,and then your lights suck and

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it's just it's yeah, chicago,it's Chicago.
So we went to the break and Iasked the question.
I said, if you're John Horstand you're going into this
meeting with the honest, I don'twant to talk about Giannis this
and Giannis that it's beenexhausted.
I talk about Giannis this andGiannis that it's been
exhausting.
I want to talk about John Horstwhen you're going into this

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meeting with Giannis.
If I'm going into it and I wantto hear what Kyle's got to say
after I say what I got to sayhere but if I'm going into it,
I'm saying, giannis, you onlyreally have two options.
This is the way we see it.
We're not ready to compete now.
We can go get you some guys.
We're going to be in contentionfor a decent playoff spot, but
not in contention for the NBAfinals, unless if something

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miraculous happens.
Right now we're under thislittle bit of a cap.
Right now we have somecontracts not very good
contracts.
We're paying guys we probablyshouldn't.
That's where we're at.
We're going to build these guysup, the young guys.
We're going to get them going Acouple of years here.
We're going to be ready.
That's your honest.

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If you want to be honest withGiannis.
Now, if you want to be reallyhonest with Giannis, you say
okay, giannis, you tell me,because we're going to support
you and we want you to go whereyou want.
If you want to trade, tell uswhere you want to go, and I
think Giannis he loves Milwaukeeenough he's going to say I want
to go here, but I want to makesure you guys get max value for

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me on my way out.
I think those are the onlyreally realistic two options.
I know a lot, I've seen a lot,I've heard a lot of people, a
lot of different shows, talkingabout what John Horse could say.
I think there's only,realistically, two things.
He can say Either A we're acouple years out, don't lie to
me, right, he knows we're acouple years out or B where do
you want to go?
If you want to leave, where doyou want to go and will we be

(01:18:12):
able to work with you and makeit possible to send you to a
destination that works for youbut also works for us?
That's where I kind of thinkit's going to be right now.
Where do you see it?
If you're john horse, you'rewalking into the interview with
yannis, or that you know?
End of the season presser.
What are you saying to yannis?

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
I mean, I, I think I'm right there with you, and
especially if it's the secondoption.
It's like where do you want togo?
If you're horse, you're hopinghe's like oklahoma, san antonio,
one of these teams, youngassets and picks that's what
your hope would be.
I think you're going to sellhim on staying.

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I agree, don't lie to him andbe like, well, we're going to
turn this around next year andbe contenders about no, don't,
don't, don't tell him that youlook, we'll be a playoff team.
It'll look a little different,but contending might take a
couple of years because, likeyou said, some of these young
guys will be thrust into rolesbecause we have some older

(01:19:09):
players that we will move out or, if they do come back, it's
going to be diminished roles.
So it's going to be.
You know how committed are you,giannis, to going through not
necessarily a teardown rebuild,but more of a reshaping of our
roster.
If you're fine with a couple ofyears of being like a 5-6 seed

(01:19:30):
first, second round exit type ofteam while we get some of these
guys up to speed, then yeah,we'd love for you to stay.
Then, yeah, we'd love for youto stay.
But if you're expecting us toturn this roster into a 60 win,
one seed that's going to win thetitle next year.
I gotta tell you that's nothappening.
The moves aren't out there tomake that happen.
The money on our side isn't outthere to make that happen.

(01:19:54):
So, like looking dead in hiseye, you go with all that being
known, what do you want to do?

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Because the minute you walk out this door, we're
going to go to work on whateverit is you want.
I think you just keep it realwith him like that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
I like that.
Keep it as real as possible andthen, at the end of the day,
you know exactly what'shappening.
Don't play this.
Oh, the long game.
Right, I don't want to play thelong game.
I want to know right nowbecause, like you said, you can
get started on reshaping thisteam right now, because after
Giannis is gone, it's basicallyoh boy, like we got to retool,
we got to do all this.
I would rather, if you're goingto get something for Giannis,

(01:20:32):
get it now, get max value thatyou can now.
If you go and you call I know Isaw I'm just talking mock trades
and nobody knows if this isactually gonna happen but you
know you're talking with thehouston rockets, they're talking
sangoon, they're talking jaylengreen you get two guys like
that and plus picks back for aguy like yannis.
You already are settingyourself up for next year.
Maybe we're not uh, you knowwe're not winning.

(01:20:53):
You're not getting a one seed,we're not getting a two, but we
could still be a five or a sixwith Jalen Green and Sangoon in
there.
I know you're not going to haveDamian, but you're talking
about you're going to bringpieces back like Bobby, etc.
In there.
Maybe get a guy you know, trentback, and I think this is still
a team who can win some games.
Is it going to be pretty attimes?
No, but you can still win somegames.
But you want to get that headstart on that.

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You don't want to be behind theeight ball once again.
So I, I completely agree and II think we're both on the same
page of what you have to say ifyou're john horse to yannis
walking in there.
So let's get away from the nbajust a little bit, because I
want to talk kyle's on, and welove talking about the random
stuff, and the random stuff withthe nfl is always the best,

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right?
So the players are okay to playin the olympics now.
Good, I think a good thing,right, I think that's a good
thing.
What do you think, kyle?
Is it a good thing?
Because for me it's like youknow, we heard the actual like
flag football players were upsetby it and I get that.
But at the same time, if you'rea country, don't you want your
best guys playing anyways?

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That's kind of where I would be.
So what do you think, kyle?
Where are you at?
At with this one?
You're good with the NFLplayers playing the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Yeah, I'm perfectly fine with that, same with any
other sport.
If these guys want to taketheir summer where they could
just sit back and do nothing andactually want to play for their
country, who am I to sayotherwise?
I think it would be cool if weget a mix Some NFL players with,
like, pro flag football players.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
I think that'd be interesting, maybe hilarious,
but yeah, it'll probably just bean all nfl team give me a
tournament, just give me atournament to get you know they
have like it's like qualifyingfor like the olympics, qualify
to be the Olympic flag footballteam.
Make a tournament out there inLA.

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Take your football playerswhoever you want, like make a
team up, tell them hey, you makea team of your guys, we'll make
a team of these guys, and thenslowly just build rosters and
just be like all right, now, youguys compete, winner gets to
play in the Olympics.
I think that could be fun.
I'd watch it.
It'd probably be on ESPN, theOcho, but I'd watch it.
That'd be okay.
In between the kickball gameand Slippery Stairs they'll have

(01:23:06):
flag football, presented bywhatever.
So, I mean, I'm good with it,I'm good with it there, so I
want to do something fun.
Let's do a flag football team,okay, who would be okay?
You okay.
So let's you have a quarterback.
I think they have running backson there.
So you have a quarterback, arunning back, a wide receiver,
you have three wide receivers, Ibelieve, and then you have a

(01:23:26):
center, or you have two widereceivers and a center.
I believe is how it goes,something like that, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
I'm pretty darn sure there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
So we'll do quarterback, running back two
wide receivers and a center.
So let's start quarterback.
If you had to pick yourquarterback for your flag
football team, who are yourolling with?

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
I mean, there's a couple ways you could go with it
.
I would probably take a.
I feel like the obvious answerwould be like Mahomes for his
passing ability.
Yeah, I'll take Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
I think I'm going Lamar Jackson.
See, that's the other thing, Ijust think running around with
him would just be.
That'd be a lot.
I think he's built for flagfootball, to be honest with you,
so running back, running back'sinteresting.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
I think running back I would go saquon saquon.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Okay, okay, saquon's gone.
Give me, give me, jameer gibbs,that was fun, gives me fun he's
got the speed, he's got theversatile.
I like gibbs in.
There am I running back widereceiver one I think you have to
go, justin.
Yep, yep, Justin Jefferson.
So next up, Jamar Chase.

(01:24:42):
I think you'd take Jamar Chaseif you had another wide receiver
one.
Who's your wide receiver two?
You can take Jamar Chase.
You can double down with JamarChase.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
I know, but I feel like for the exercise I'll take
somebody else.
I mean, look, flag footballusually want a lot of speed.
Why not go with a Xavier?

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Worthy.
Ooh, I like that.
I like that.
You know, if Tyree Kill is notbroken, I think you'd take Tyree
Kill right.
I mean that wouldn't be a badmove there.
Another guy I'm going to goBrian Thomas.
I'm going to go Brian Thomas Jrfrom Jacksonville.

(01:25:26):
I think that would be aninteresting one.
I like that.
So I'm going with him.
Okay, center, now center.
You don't have to pick a center.
It could be a tackle that youmove in Playing football.
I mean, you want kind of aspeed guy.
You want more versatility inthere to move around.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
That's true, and I was thinking of a tackle,
probably First one that came tomind, not even sure why I'd
probably go Panay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Sewell.
Okay, that's a good move there.
That's a good move.
I'm going to go.
Elton Jenkins, I'll move him in.
I'll move Elton Jenkins in.
He's moving in to play centeranyways, I'll move him in from
guard to center.
That's fine, he can move in.
It was either him or RasheedBlock.
I was all over the place withPacker guys just trying to get a

(01:26:19):
looks like.
I don't hate the pro bowl, Ijust I don't find it.
It's not like wow, but it'slike it's okay, like I'll watch
it.
It's entertaining.
It's just not like wow factor.
So before you got to get out ofyour cow because I know you got
other things you got to getgoing to tonight here, but
before you get out of here, theonside kick rule, the dynamic.
You know we're sending guysdown the field there, that's all
staying.
But now they're talking leagueowners are going to consider a

(01:26:39):
proposal to change the onsidekicks.
That would allow the trailingteam to declare an onside kick
at any point during the game,any point in the game.
I'm fine with that.
But here's my only thing, andand this is why I'm still upset
why do we have to tell peoplewe're doing it?

(01:27:00):
Why?
Why does it have to be that way.
I don't want to.
It's like I've said it beforeand I'll say it's like telling
people you're going to throw acurve ball.
It's like telling people you'regoing to throw a fastball here.
Only the Astros get to knowthat.
We don't get to know that.
The Astros get to know that.
We don't get to know that theAstros do Shots at the Astros.
I just I don't know, I just itdrives me absolutely nuts with

(01:27:20):
this.
You have to declare it.
We're not declaring war here,we're kicking a ball off.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
Like I don't know, kyle, where are you at with this
one?
I mean, I probably would havebeen more upset with that if we
weren't at the point where, evenwith regular kickoffs, before
the dynamic kickoff, there werestill rules on how many guys
could be on one side versus theother so it's kind of the same
anyway.
So now you can just do thedynamic way and be like, hey,
we're doing an onside kick.
I feel like it's going to bethe same no matter what, so I'm

(01:27:53):
okay with that.
I think that was probably theworst part of the dynamic
kickoff to a lot of people isthat you had to declare it had
to be like fourth quarter, thevery end, like give get teams
opportunities to do it a littleearlier if they want to, I would
.
I'd be like the dynamic kickoff.
By the way, I think it.
We saw an increase in kickoffsbeing returned.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
That was the whole point of it no, I'm good with
the diamond, I'm good with that,I'm over that.
Like I think that's fine.
I think it's the declaring ofthe onside kick.
That is like why?
Why do we have to?
Because then dan campbell Ithink dan campbell just kicked
the onside kick all game long.
Otherwise he'd just be like allright, let's roll it out boys,
let's just do it here.
So we don't know the answer tothis.
They're gonna have an answerprobably by the time the show

(01:28:34):
comes out here, so everybody'sgonna know this answer already.
But I just want to get ouropinions on the tush push.
What are your thoughts?
Tush push do you like it?
Do you want it out?
What are your thoughts on thisone?

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
I'm fine with the tush push, but you have to
balance it out.
Where a lot of these teams havethe problem is you could push
like use jalen hurst, becausethey're the the poster child for
this.
You could get linemen well, notlinemen like running backs,
tight ends lined up behind himand pushing him.
That's illegal defensively yepso if you allow like linebackers

(01:29:07):
to push on your nose tackle,then I think now you have
something.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
So I I think they'll modify it, but I feel like it
stays in the game because it'sit's a football play yeah, no,
that's that's where I'm at on itright now is if you're going to
allow the offense to have anadvantage, you have to allow the
defense to have that sameadvantage, and I think that's
the big thing.
If you're going to have fiveguys barreling down on one nose
tackle, well then you betterallow the linebackers to have

(01:29:35):
some pushback at that one.
Otherwise you're going to havemore plays.
And I think where it becomesexhausting is like we saw with
the commanders, where they justkept jumping off sides, jumping
off sides, jumping off sides,and then we have the NFL making
up rules that they can justaward a touchdown.
And it's like you're going toaward a touchdown because of
this play and at this time, andI get it's a yard and everything
.
But honestly, if it's going tobe an issue like that, where

(01:29:58):
we're going to get stupidfootball and everything like
that, I'm good with it alsobeing gone.
Because you know I I love whenthey said they they keep
bringing up injuries, right, andthe injury factor of what could
happen.
And you know the owners arelike, oh well, show us an
instant, right, show us aninstant.
They said there hasn't been one.
But you asked the chief medicalperson in the NFL and they said

(01:30:18):
well, if it does happen, it'sgoing to be catastrophic.
So all right, now you'reworking with that and it's like
I don't want to be the first oneto get hurt, because when
somebody it's not.
If it's when, when somebodygets hurt, then we got to bring
this all back to the front andthat it's going to be a big
problem.
It's going to be a huge problem.

(01:30:39):
So that's kind of where I'm atright now.
Like I said, we're late to theparty here because they already
voted on this.
We already know the answer,probably by the time our show is
out here.
So we have you know,everybody's like.
You know, we already know whathappened, dude.
Well, we just want to get ouropinion voiced on that one there
.
So, Kyle, before I let you outof here, let everybody know
where to find you out thereacross social media so that they

(01:30:59):
can find you.
Give you follows, likes,everything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Yeah, you know, just chomping at the bit, whether
it's YouTube, facebook, I mean,you name it, I'm out there.
Twitter X, tiktok, all that.
So yeah, just look me up.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
That's how you keep up to date on everything.
Kyle gives me all my stuff forNBA talk, everything like that.
He keeps me up to date just aswell as anybody else out there,
even better than Stephen A Smith, that is for darn sure.
So we'll be back here.
We got Brewers to talk aboutyet today, here we're going to
talk Brewers when we come backfrom the break here.
So yet today, here we're gonnatalk brewers.

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So don't go anywhere.
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The Brewers, over this lastlittle stretch it's been I want

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to say it's been rough.
Yeah, it's been rough.
Let's just go with that.
We're not going to sugarcoatthis one.
We're not going to sugarcoatthis one at all.
You look at the month of Mayhere.
They started out.
It wasn't great, right, he lostthat game with the white socks.
He had a couple losses.
The chagas cubs got a win, hadthree game win streak, beat the
astros, won the astros series.
Last game against the astroswas terrible.
And then you went through thisstretch where you were winning

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just the third game of theseries and I don't I, you were
pretty good at that and now yougot this series against
baltimore.
As I'm recording here, you're ingame two of the series here.
Nothing, nothing, bottom second.
But you won game one.
So change up the littlenarrative.
Right, you won two games.
It's crazy.
You won two games there it's.
It's absolutely baffling thatyou figured out how to win two

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games again.
I'm just kidding.
Just kidding.
Of course don't want to knockcompletely on the Brewers.
Last week when we talked Brewers, I don't know if we had an
overreaction.
Maybe some people thought itwas an overreaction.
From what I heard, others werelike you were gone with it.
So it depends on who you are Alot of people.

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It depends who you ask at thispoint.
Some people are in the boat ofthe seasons of wash.
We should basically trade awaythe big guns and try to build up
.
There's other people who are inthe boat of well, we still got
a shot, because the rest of thedivision's a struggle.
I agree with both, because thedivision's not out of reach Not
at all.
The Cubs are not running awaywith this.

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Everybody's sitting here like,oh, the cubs are going to run
with.
They have the, they have starpower, but they're not deep in
in any, any facet and thebullpen struggles at times and
the rotation is not great.
So I don't think they'rerunning away with it.
I don't think the cardinals aregoing to run with it.
I don't think anybody in the nlcentral is going to run with it
.
The reds are.
I mean, they won five in a row.
I don't know what they're goingto do here as we're talking,

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but they had won five in a rowso they've been playing well.
So I'm looking at the rest ofthe division.
I'm like they got, they gottime, they, they're, they're
doing fine, they're, they'rehanging around.
Now it's a question of eitherone or the other.
Do you go all in and try tomake this thing work, or do you
maybe just try to make thisthing work?
And I?

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I said it.
I don't know if I said it lastweek, I said the week before.
I said I feel like the brewersare in this transition period
and they've been in thetransition period for the last
two years.
It's just last year they wonbaseball games.
This year they're not.
And now we're like what's going?

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This is a team that won gameswith a similar roster last year.
What's going on now?
I think we're kind of gettingback to that realization.
You have a guy like Joey Ortizin your lineup right now who's
struggling mightily.
Sal Frelick's been playing well, so has Terang, but you look at
Jelich.
I don't want to sugarcoatJelich anymore, guys.
I don't want to hear anybodydefend this guy anymore.

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I am so far past that at thispoint.
What are you defending?
I mean, honestly, we sit hereand we're like, oh well, he's
got seven home runs.
He's got 26 RBIs Fantastic.
He's batting to 194.
Rbis fantastic.

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He's batting to 194 194.
His on-base percentage 289.
His ops is just above 600.
He's got a negative war rightnow.
So, yeah, when the end of theday, when I look at it, he's not
doing nothing.
Not doing nothing special forme at the moment and I don't I
don't want to hate.
I have never been a true-onYelich lover since he's come to
Milwaukee, I'll admit that.

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But I'm here to say that atthis very moment they're not
winning games because he's inthe lineup and that's a problem.
What I saw from WilliamContreras in that first game of
the series against the Orioles,when Contreras got on and he

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stole second base and he startedscreaming back to the dugout
he's clapping, he's hooting,he's hollering, he's yelling and
we saw him get that base knockthey're a huge base knock that
drive in the and ending up beingthe winning run.
That moment when I saw thatyelling, that screaming you know
we've said before who's goingto step up, be the leader.
They don't have a leader rightnow that moment, right there,

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that was it.
That was saying let's go, let'sgo, we need a vocal guy.
Contrarian said I can be thatguy, I could be that vocal
leader, and that is what they'vebeen lacking.
That's what I thought ChristianYelich has been lacking being as
a vocal leader, a guy steppingup there as a veteran, your big

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money guy, and being the guy andhe hasn't been there.
I honestly have looked atBrandon Woodruff.
He's been gone.
He's been on minor leaguestints and stuff like that,
brandon Woodruff being a leaderfor the pitching staff and being
there along with that, I thinkhe is a huge voice inside of
that locker room or inside thatclubhouse.
So not having him, I think thathurts at times.

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So I look at this team right nowand some of the things that I'm
seeing right now.
So I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like this team's
too patient at times.
And when I say that, I see alot of middle, middle fastballs
where the brewers are just oh,we're just gonna, okay, we're
gonna let that one go at onepoint when, when this offense

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was struggling, it seemed likethey didn't adjust the approach.
And that's where, when you'restruggling, sometimes, sometimes
it might be better to get afterthe first pitch fastball.
Why?
Because it might be the bestpitch you see in the entire at
bat right, they get you get downon one.
Now the pitcher's got the upperhand, they can work with
something.
So when this team wasstruggling and they still kind

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of are offensively attackingthat first pitch, ambushing
pitchers.
When I see a lot of these teamsand they game plan for the
brewers and they game plan for aguy like freddie who wants to
get you with the high cheese andyou game plan for that.
You attack early or you attackthat high cheese, knowing that
he wants to go up with thefastball and you could get to it
.
That's where I just feel like,at times, the pitching coach,

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that pitching coach, but thehitting coaches for the brewers,
I feel like they're a littlebit behind and that's a problem.
That's a problem, if you ask me, and I just I I feel like I
really do when I'm watching thisand when I'm seeing this.
It just seems like the brewersare just they're not attacking,
they're not ambushing pitchers,they're not getting after them,

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they're leaving a lot of middle,middle and it just it's not,
it's not breaking yourself outof a slump, it's not changing it
up, and that that kind of getsme, because we see the Brewers
hitting a lot of and this isgoes along with it hitting a lot
of pop-ups, shallow fly ballsgetting under the baseball.
I can't.
How many more times am I goingto watch Cale Durbin fly out 90,

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?
He's going to hit a ball 1,000feet up in the air and it's
going to drop into short centerfield and they're going to catch
it.
I swear it's every time.
Every time he swings, he getsunder it.
I don't know if it's theapproach that the Brewers are
taking.
They think they have to hit thelong ball.
I don't know what it is, butthe approach is not there and

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there's a lot of guys who aretrying to do too much.
Everybody hates on Sal Frelick.
I don't understand it and I wasgoing to bring that up anyways.
But there's a lot of SalFrelick hate out there and I
don't get it anymore.
I really don't Sal Frelick hateout there and I don't get it
anymore.
I really don't.
Sal Frelick is one of the onlyconsistent batsman.
Do you not like Sal Frelick?
Because he's not flashing.
He's not a big home run hitter.
Is that why you don't like him?
He's a he's a contact guy whojust puts them all in play.

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Is that why you don't like them?
But you know what I love aboutSal?
Just makes things happen.
You're gonna live and die withit.
He doesn't have hard contactrate, sorry, but you know what?
He's batting 279.
When I'm talking about thisright now, he's batting 279.

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He's got 60 total bases out ofeverybody on the brewers and
he's got 19 strikeouts 19 out ofeverybody in the Brewers
Outside of, probably, teranghe's been one of the only bright
spots and Haskins Haskins hasbeen hitting the ball well.
So I will say Haskins tooContreras has been coming on,

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but consistently.
Those are your bright spots.
So I don't understand the hatefor him right now, but he's a
guy who he's just looking todrive the ball, same with Terang
, who he just looking to drivethe ball.
Same with Terang.
They're just looking to drivethe ball wherever it is.
Sal's looking more inside rightnow.
He's been great at ripping thatinside pitch.
Guys are still trying to attackhim in there and he's been

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great ripping it there.
Terang's been taking it to allfields like he just he's just.
He's been, I mean, nothing butfantastic.
Jackson Churio doesn't know whathe's doing up there right now
and we talked about this a whileback.
We said is it alarming thathe's only taking four walks and
he swings at everything?
Yep, yep, it's alarming.
Now guys are starting to pitchhim low and away and getting him

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to chase and he's doing it, andhe's doing it consistently.
So is it alarming?
Yes, I, we had that question acouple weeks back.
We said is it alarming that thelow walk rate and the low you
know, the low take rate from uhjack centurion?
We asked is that a problem?
Yes, it is, I am, I am fullyall in on.
It is a problem.

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Yellich, I don't know what elseto say at this point here.
That is, I don't know what'sgoing on.
It's broke.
Joey Ortiz, I really do thinkJoey Ortiz, at this point, right
now, this very moment, rightnow, I love Joey Ortiz.
I do.
I would love to see him.
I'd love to see him find a wayat some point here.

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But at the same time, I am atthis point now where, if it
don't happen soon, you got to dosomething, I don't know what.
It is right.
Do you have a lot of options?
I don't think so.
There's nobody really down inthe minors right now.
Where you're, there's guys inthe minors, but there's nobody.

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You're looking at right now atAAA Nashville and you're saying
that guy's ready to go, he'sready to come up right, this
very second and impact this team.
They don't have that guy downin the minors right now.
The guy that you thought youhad was Andrew Monasterio,
because he was hitting the ballreally well down there and they
already brought him up and well,we've seen what happened so far
since bringing him up there.

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Outside of that, you reallydon't have a lot of.
You have freddie zamora downthere, who's been.
Freddie zamora has been hittingthe ball well.
In triple a, I mean 299 battingaverage and 67 at bats.
He's got 20 hits.
He's been hitting the ball well.
So maybe a guy, guy like FreddyZamora, we might see him sooner
.
Or rather, at this point,what's it going to hurt?

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And I was having a goodconversation the other day with
my father-in-law.
We were talking about theBrewers and everything like that
.
And I said to him I said I wastalking about the transition and
, you know, being ahead of it.
And I said at this very moment,where I'm at with this team and
where I'd be okay with isseeing some of these young guys
get playing time.
See some of these young guyscome up, get them into the, get

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them on the field.
And because right now, what isJoey Ortiz doing?
That I don't think FreddieZimora could do right bringing
some of these guys up and justseeing what they can do.
Maybe find lightning in abottle, I don't know.
But bringing them up and justtrying it, because I mean, even
a guy like Ernesto Martinez, thefirst baseman down there, the

(01:44:03):
big guy, six, six, I mean he'shuge for first baseman, he's got
some speed on him too.
Even bringing up a guy likethat to play first base, wes
Clark's been, uh, he's had somepower.
Uh, he's had some power uh inthe past there in spring
training and he's been hittingthe ball decent down in AAA.
But bringing some guys up andjust seeing what they got,
because at this very momentoutside of a few you have holes

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in your lineup.
And if you have guys withoptions, joey Ortiz, if you have
an option to send him downtriple A, send him down triple A
, see if he can work it out andthen bring him back, get some.
Sometimes.
Send him down to AAA, see if hecan work it out and then bring
him back, get some confidence.
Sometimes it's confidence rightnow.
I told you guys the other day Ilook at his spray charts and I'm
like Joey Ortiz has no ideawhat he's looking for, no idea.
Last season he was swinginginner half, he was looking for
the inner half pitch.
Now he's all over the place.

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His hot zones are everywhere.
He doesn't know where he wantsit.
That's a problem and I thinkthat's a confidence issue and
Pat Murphy's been talking aboutit and he kind of talked about
it here.
He said Murphy on the Brewersslump.
He said I trust the players, Ilike the players, I think

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they're good.
Now, did we go and spend a lotof money in the offseason?
Guys, let's call a spade aspade.
No, we didn't.
Are we real deep in theposition player business?
No, we're not.
But we have good ones and wehave ones that aren't getting
results right now and aren'tgetting the best state of mind.
That's exactly what he's saying.
Right there you have guys whohe believes in, who he thinks

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have potential.
Problem is that he doesn't feellike they're mentally there
right now, that they're not inthe right state of mind and the
confidence level to get it done.
That's where I feel like a guylike Contreras.
Like I said the other night,they're getting the team fired
up by stealing that base late inthe game, driving at a run,
jacking up the dugout.
I think that's huge.
You need guys like that SalFroelich when he hit that home

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run the other day, just jackingup your team and being a spark
plug.
That's what they need as aspark plug right now.
And I mean we could go on forhours and hours on the uh not
spending money in the offseason,taking a shot but not taking a
shot.
Right, he kind of took a shotat the front office but didn't
really take a shot but at thesame time did so.

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I kind of like pat murphy'swalking if you uh, if you love
your job kind of walking a tightrope, if you feel like Mark and
Anasio is that kind of guy toget rid of you, if you kind of
talk bad about him.
But he's walking that tightrope.
But he's kind of saying whateverybody's thinking basically,
or what everybody knows, is thatthey didn't go spend money in
the off season.
Now they're.
We're seeing what the problems,we're seeing the repercussions

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of not spending money on bats oranybody else, and I mean you're
getting guys but like 17 to 17years too late, like eddie
rosario a couple years ago.
Sure, eddie rosario been great.
Now it's like he's a little bitolder and has struggled in the
past, but he's been hitting wellin his first couple games there
down in nashville.
So maybe, just maybe, eddieRosario becomes a spark plug.

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I don't know.
I don't know at this point, butthere's only one way to find
out.
So the Brewers will continue theseries with the Orioles and
then we're going to see astretch of games here.
We've got the Orioles coming up, then they've got the Pirates
over the weekend there.
So you're playing two basementdwellers, I guess you could say,
and then you're going to takeon boston.

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You do, do you get to see?
You get to see skeans on friday.
So skeans versus peralta shouldbe a good match up there.
That's going to be a fun one.
You're going to have bostoncoming up, then philly.
So you got some good matchupscoming up here for the brewers
that they could be able tosalvage some series here and get
themselves back into the race.
So we're going to wrap up theshow here on the backside.
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Omar was on earlier.
We talked Packers, a whole bunchof stuff going on with Packers,
the Brewers.
We hope to see them continuethe winning ways.
We're hoping to find some kindof confidence in there.
That would be great.
Maybe some of the vets step upand find a leadership role in
that locker room and they justbrewers.

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Just find a way, right, that'sthe way the model has been for
the past couple years justfinding a way and we hope that
they can maybe break out of thisand find a way at some point
here to kind of blossom, right,blossom, that's what we're
looking for, the spring term ofblossom here at this time of
year.
I hope everybody yeah, if, yeah,if you have anybody out there,
make sure you're getting yourgardens planted.
I just got my corn planted here.
I got more to plant, yet I'mjust behind right now.
It's been a crappy week, right,crappy week, cold, but next

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week looks like it's going to bewarm.
So hopefully everybody isenjoying the weekend when it
warms up a little bit and thennext week there.
With that, that's about all wegot for today.
Thank you all for tuning in.
I hope you guys enjoy the restof your Wednesday and the rest
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