The Packers Offseason Drama and Brewers' Struggles

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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We're coming back on this May14th.
Holy crap, it's the middle ofMay.
It's hot, it is just it's hot,that's all I got to say.
It's hot.
They're talking severe weathercoming in on Thursday here.
So hopefully, hopefully thatthey said you know it's lately
with the weather, it's going toget nasty if it does and it's

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like okay, what does that mean?
Like it's going to, but itmight not, but it might, but it
might not.
So like go in your basement,but you probably don't have to.
It's just sometimes drives menuts with the weather.
But hey, better be safe thansorry, right, better be safe
than sorry.
Glad to see it's that.
Hopefully it stays out one moretime.
We could use a little rain, butnot a lot.
So hopefully we're in that area.

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But hey, I hope everybody isenjoying their night already
here and is ready for two hoursof Wisconsin Sports on the go
Talk with Trage here.
So tonight we're going to hitthe ground running.
I figured what the heck, whatthe heck.
Usually we start the show withwhat's grinding my gears off the
weekend.
We'll hit that in a little bithere.
I want to get right away andumber here.
He's going to join us tonight.
We're going to talk packersbecause there has been a lot of

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and not the schedule release.
I know you guys know I'mpre-recorded so, like we, we
don't have the schedule releaseyet.
We know two games right,they're going to play the eagles
week 10 and we know they'regoing to play the bears december
20th.
So we know those two games.
After that, we really don'tknow.
We know the opponents, we don'tknow when they're going to play
them, so we're going to waitwith that.
We'll talk about that next week.

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So make sure you're tuning innext week.
But I got Omar here tonight.
I want to talk about some ofthe other, I would say more of
the disgruntled stuff around thePackers.
So first off, before I ask thefirst question here, omar, how
are we doing tonight?
How are we doing on thisWednesday?

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Man, happy hump day, man.
It's been great man, I can'tcomplain.
Mother's Day went off without ahitch, wife is pretty happy,
kids had fun and I'm just reallylike trying to digest all the
things that have been comingthrough the Packersphere when it
comes to coaching, when itcomes to the pressers, as well
as maybe a little bit of dramaat 1265, a little bit more than
we're used to, and kind offeeling out what we're thinking
when it comes to things that arehappening, as Jason Wolde said,
that are non quarterback drivencontroversy, and maybe things
that normally don't come out inthe public when it workouts,

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certain players making commentsabout position status and
rankings, as well as likeabilities to get touches,
because we all know that the nflis a very much a process driven
and a performance-basedbusiness, so everybody wants to
make sure that they're gettingtheir snaps.
We just saw that sean ryanmissed his two million dollar uh

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bonus based on two snaps overthree years that he missed.
He needed two more snaps and soI know that a lot of these
players, you know they reallybank on getting their touches,
getting their snaps, and youknow when you have an influx of
younger talent coming in, therecould be an impact on that.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, and let's just start right there, because you
took the words right out ofmouth no-transcript to talk

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about.
So the packers use two draftpicks.
They go and grab savionwilliams.
They go and grab matthew golden.
Right, they got two good top.
Now, well, we don't know reallymuch savion, but matthew golden
fantastic wide receiver saviongonna be a a kind of Swiss army
knife of the offense.
So they grabbed these two guys.
Well, goody had to go and meetwith Jaden Reed's agent and say

(04:15):
hey, just so you know we're goodright.
You're still our wide receiver,you're still our wide receiver.
One Like let's just you knowyou're fine, so we have that.
What is up like this is this isthe big question.
What is up with this widereceiver core?
First off, so in the offseasonyou mentioned earlier, right, we
have josh jacobs.
Goes on um, I can't rememberwhat show it was there, but he

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mentions on basically twitterand everywhere every it gets out
there that he says we need anew white, we need wide receiver
one, we need a bona fide guy.
Okay, packer fans are fine withthat.
And if you listen to him, hesaid I'm not saying that the
guys in the room are bad, I'mjust saying we need a guy, we
need the guy.
Nobody stepped up to be the guy.
We need a guy.
Josh Jacobs wasn't wrong.

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We need a guy.
And if nobody was going to stepup and be that guy which we saw
Well, then the Packers had tomake a move.
So we have that situation.
So Wicks gets upset with that,so did Reid.
They both got upset with that,right?
Dobbs last season gets upsetwith lack of attention, not
getting the ball enough, notgetting enough targets.

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Okay, now there is a wholeother thing going on with that.
We hope that Dobbs is okay witheverything that's been going on
Either way Now whole you knowother things going on with that.
We hope that dobbs is okay witheverything that's been going on
either way right now.
We have reed getting upset thatwe just you know packers go in
draft golden and williams, right.
I don't get it and this is whyI'm gonna say I don't get it
right, because out of all thequarterbacks the packers have

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had, well I shouldn't say, oh,breath, fire, throw the ball
around.
He didn't know who he'sthrowing it to.
Half the time Rodgers picked afavorite and that's where he
threw the football and hewouldn't throw it to you if he
didn't trust you.
Christian Watson, first pass ofthe season against the Vikings,
threw it to him.
He dropped it.
He didn't get the ball afterthat.
That was Aaron Rodgers, jordanLove's the exact opposite,

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jordan at any time, any place,doesn't matter.
We had Fitzpatrick or thatrandom tight end that showed up.
We had him getting targets outthere.
He doesn't care who you are, ifyou're open, he's throwing you
the football.
It's not a whole trusting, hetrusts all his wide receivers.
So this whole mess, I don't getit.

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Why, if you were Jaden Reed, youjust watched your team last
season go to Philly and just youfell short again you fell your
team last season go to phillyand just you fell short again
you fell short in san fran.
Why would you not want moreweapons?
Yeah, why would you not wantmatthew golden?
You can't.
If you look at it realisticallyand I know christian watson's
dad would tell you thatchristian watson is the greatest
thing alive and that everythingin between, because if people
haven't seen him on twitter, heis wild over there.

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I just saw yesterday he toldgrant bill shout out to grant
bills.
He told grant bills that heshoots his show from the
basement of his parents houseand that he has no right to say
what he's saying.
Basically, blah, blah.
And grant did kind of take agrant told him maybe you should
think about what you say.
Put the phone down, take a walkinstead of talking on social
media.
It was a whole thing.
It was hilarious it wasabsolutely hilarious yeah is a

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producer of bill michaels showlike.
This isn't a guy who just sitsin the basement and just didn't
know it all day long.
This is a guy who works withbill michaels, one of the most
successful wisconsin radio showsout there, so I either way way
off topic with that one.
But I just want to say, I justwant to say I'm with you, grant,
I'm with you.
This, you, this guy's wild andout there.
But this wide receiver core man, like you were saying, I don't

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think anybody should be safe,because these are a bunch of
like and I want to say this aslightly as possible they're head
cases.
That's what they are.
I mean, you don't know, theyget upset if they don't get the
ball enough.
And shouldn't that be a goodthing?
If you don't get the ball, itmeans you're covered, which
means you're respectable.
Right Now, find a way to getyourself open.

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If you can't, then either gotalk to Matt LaFleur and say,
hey, guy, hey, you got to find away to get me open, or talk to
your other receivers and say,hey, guys, you got to run me
open Something, do your jobbetter.
But we just hear complaining,we just hear sitting out, we
just hear well, I got to sendGoody to their house to say it's
okay, buddy, it's okay, you'regoing to be fine.

(08:11):
What is up Like?
Grow up.
That's where I'm at.
Okay, I want to hear what yougot to say about this whole
thing, but this is what I got tosay All this talk about a young
team that everybody says I'mover it.
I'm over this young team crap.
All right, there's no more.
This is the youngest team infootball.
They have had two plus seasonsnow of playing football.
Grow up.

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They need to grow up over thissummer and they need to grow up
as a team and play ball.
That's it.
Shut up and play ball.
That's enough.
It is enough of the bull crap.
Enough of the bull crap, enoughof the petty crap.
This is what we wanted to avoid.
This is why we listen to MattLaFleur say we avoid players
like this.
We listen to Goody say we avoidplayers like this.
We don't want the petty bullcrapping inside of 1265.

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Guess what, you have it, dealwith it or get rid of it.
And I agree with you Nobodyshould be safe in there because,
guess what, at the end of theday, I don't care.
You want to build this footballteam up.
You want to build it as a youngteam.
Guess what?
You can't have this crap in theroom because this crap spreads,
and it spreads like wildfire.
And one guy gets mad becausehe's not getting enough targets.

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The next guy gets mad, the nextguy gets mad, and then you have
a whole locker room that's notgetting the ball enough, and
then you got to blow it up.
So ummer to you now.
I've been hot about this sinceI saw this.
I'll move to you now and hearwhat you got to say.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Trey man, tell me how you're really feeling, man.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
I don't start a show hot and heavy today.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, I can see it.
I can see it.
I think, when it comes down toyou kind of want play, I feel
like the word diva gets thrownout a lot, right, and when it
comes down to it is there'smaybe a thin line between diva
and you know a person that is acontender or performer, right,
and I feel like if you're not aplayer that wants to get the
ball, then you're probably inthe wrong profession.
And I feel the rookie years forguys like wicks, for reed, they

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really kind of blew, they setthe bar really high, and so for
them to come in their secondyear, which is normally a
regression year for a lot ofreceivers, you saw that and you
know there's a lot of drops, alot of concentration drops
because, as you said, the onething with Jordan is that he
goes back there and he's goingto get the ball to the guy
that's open, or he's going tothrow him open to a certain
degree and he's going to get theball, he's gonna hit him in the

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hands and it's up to them tocatch it.
And there's a lot of drops thatwe saw throughout the year, last
year, with Jordan on a bad kneewith protection being kind of
suspect, still delivering theball pretty accurately and,
unfortunately, a lot of passes.
His completion percentage wasdown by maybe 6% just on drop
passes alone, and so I do feelthat in this room, I feel like

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Watson, minus his injuries andmissing some time.
I know his dad is, you know, Ithink, everyone that has a dad
like Mr Tazeem OG Tazeem youwant a dad that supports you no
matter what.
In his defense, though, watsondid probably have one of his
better years as a wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Oh yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
He has points sometimes.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
When he was going at Grant Bills I was like okay.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
That's him not knowing Bill's resume right, and
then, on top of that too, himnot knowing Grant's resume, and
I know Grant resume, right.
And then, like, on top of thattoo, he's not knowing grant's
resume.
And I know grant.
I followed him on twitter for awhile so I kind of seen his
works.
I know he's not just he's notsome bum, right, um, and zeeb is
, you know, former player, hashis own podcast, he's doing his
own thing with his other son,trey, and you know he's a pretty
intelligent dude.
I just think, like you knowhe's, he definitely shoots from

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the hip when it comes to thefamous family.
So I respect it.
Uh, maybe goes a little, gets alittle bit in that area of like
okay, a little too far, but Iget it.
Um, I do agree with you, though, like last year, if you notice
the way the coaching stafftalked, this year they added
talent in the receiver room,knowing that maybe, a they know
guys are going to be leaving, bthat their performance last year

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wasn't up to snuff, right.
And then we then we'rewondering, hey, where's the pass
rushers, where's the guys thathelp, you know, kind of help
dictate on defense, to wherewe're not being so passive,
aggressive right, and whathappened was the coaching staff
talked about how, basically,jeff was talking about how, like
you know, halfley felt that thecoaching is what was off, not
the talent.
So, you see, when it comes toreceivers, maybe because the

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fact that they didn't performwell and we're not seeing a lot
of things that maybe are goingon in the locker room that
they're like, hey, maybe we needsome new talent here, we need
some guys in here who aren'tonly going to be valuable from
when it comes to, like an ironsharpens, iron kind of thing,
but they're also going toperform and maybe push these
other guys, because I do feellike a great example of this is
Jordan Love getting drafted in2020.
We saw Rodgers have a little bitof a decent year his 2019 year.

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When he saw that quarterback,what did it do?
It woke him up, got him havingtwo MVP, back-to-back MVP
seasons, two seasons where weboth we basically had Super Bowl
teams that just didn't crossthe finish line.
And I truly believe Golden andSavion, especially Golden.
I feel like Golden's the kindof talent like if you listen to
some of the beat writers just onheight, weight, speed alone,

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he's looking like Greg Jenningsand let's be real, greg Jennings
, his career in Green Bay waspretty freaking good, like he
probably could have been a Hallof Famer in Green Bay if he
never left.
Yeah, I mean truly Like hisnumbers.
He was killing it at Favre, hewas killing it at Rodgers and so
, yeah, I definitely think thatmaybe these guys are feeling the
heat a little bit, andDontavian Wicks is a great

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example of like hey, you can getopen all day, but if you can't
catch the ball, then your wholepurpose as a receiver, half of
the reason why your receiver isgone, right, and Jaden Reed
needed some reassurances becauseof the new talent coming in.
I feel if you read like throughlike maybe a little bit of
breadcrumbs and maybe just alittle bit of like between the
lines, it kind of felt like thatbasically, there is maybe the

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agents was reaching out toGutekunst and Gutek good
accounts was doing his duediligence, not like Jaden Reed
was complaining, if that makessense.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
So it's like, hey, I know we've got these guys in
here, but you're still our WRone, which is fine.
But you know what happens intraining camp and preseason and
those first couple of weeks ofthe season.
You start seeing that deathchart move around a lot Right
this season.
You start seeing that def chartmove around a lot right and you
start to see where your guy whoused to be wr1, he might become
wr2 because someone likegolden's gonna step or save you

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on steps up or maybe.
So they're always sayingwatson's running, who knows what
.
If he's back week one, I don'tthink that's gonna happen, but
you never know, if I, agentpearson did it in five months,
right, so crazier things havehappened.
Um, I get you, though Like Ihave to admit that part of me
does feel like, hey, your job isas a receiver, is to catch the
ball and make plays and thequarterback makes you look good

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and you make the quarterbacklook good.
If you guys are complainingabout what is going on based on
the team, that you need to bethe one to dictate that by, not
by complaining, by showing it onthe field, because if you're
keeping butt on the field,you're doing your thing, you are
pushing the envelope and sayinglike, hey, this is my team,
this is my position, I'm thereceiver, I'm the vr1, whatever

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you want to say, like you wantto say, like you know, the guy
in captain phillips, hey, I'mthe captain now, right, like you
want to be that guy, right.
And then you gotta show it.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, put up or shut up I think the thing with it is
that bothers me is I talk aboutconfidence with this wide
receiver core.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yes.
Lacking Because this is theplain and simple and you said it
perfectly.
If you're confident in yourself, if you are Jaden Reed and
you're confident in your skills,goody doesn't have to go to
your house, he don't.
You just walk into trainingcamp and you're like I'm still
that guy, I'm still that guy,I'm still the guy here, until
you come in and take my spot,until you prove to these coaches

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that you are better than me, Iam still that guy.
Yeah, plain and simple, butthat's what bothers me.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
That's what bothers me the jobs thing rubbed me the
wrong way.
I'll be honest.
I understand, I'm all aboutmental health.
I'm all about mental health,I'm all about people looking out
for mental health.
But I have to admit, justbecause if you hear what being
said, like he wasn't about thegame plan, so he kind of took
his ball and went home anddidn't talk to anybody and like
good, because I had to literallycome to your house and tell you
, hey, man, what's going on.
I just rubbed me the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
But when your GM has to go out of his way.
Yeah to go to your houses totell you guys, it's okay.
It's all right, you're stillgoing to be involved.
We're still going to play withyou.
We're still going to let youplay with the toys.
That's a problem.
That's the problem with thePackers is they can't focus on
getting better as a team.
We have to focus on gettingthis guy targets.

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We have to focus on this guy.
We have to focus on this guy.
They can't get better as onebecause they're so worried about
themselves.
I feel like that.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
last year, I completely agree, like the 2023
year.
Well, we noticed what there wasa very selfless perspective by
the players.
It wasn't just one person,right?
It didn't matter who got thetouchdowns and touches that game
, because, guess what?
You're winning games, you wereplaying well and I think winning
does cure a lot of things andthe fact that the Packers were

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so disjointed on offense, inparticular last year, I think
that also played into some ofthe frustrations.
Okay, I'm not getting the ball,fine as long as we're winning,
but now we're losing by two,we're losing by five, we're
losing by three.
So, well then, what the hell?
Then?
Maybe if I got the ball moreoften, we wouldn't be losing.
And it's like you know, I mean,like it's one of those things
where it's like you know what Imean Like it's one of those
things where it's like all right, well then, you got.
Everyone needs to do their part.
I'm sorry.

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When it comes to NFL, it's thepure definition of a team sport,
right?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
That's the thing.
Yep, I agree 100% and that's I.
I just it rubs me with allthese guys the wrong way because
it doesn't show confidence.
It doesn't show confidence inmy skills.
You said it's guys who wantreassurance and they're worried.
If you think that you're thatdog, if you think that you can
be the guy, yeah, you shouldn'tbe worried.
You should be like I'm gonnawalk in there and I'm gonna beat

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out savion williams because,guess what, he's got bad hands.
I got better hands.
Right, you should have faith inyourself.
Don tavian wick should havefaith in himself.
So should a guy like jaydenreed.
So should a guy like romeo.
So should a guy like RomeoDobbs.
But they don't.
That's what rubs me the wrongway and that's why we have this
drop problem.
It's a confidence issue, it's afocus, it's a lack of focus,

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preparation, all those things.
Bill Belichick always said itit's not about what happens on
Sunday, it's about what happenson Tuesday and Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
That's what matters.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Those are the times that matter.
And yet we sit here and we harpon the Sunday and it's like,
what are they doing on thosedays?
Well, from what we've seen,complaining, complaining, more
than they're doing anything else.
So that's where I'm at.
I'm like get some confidence,find that little confidence in
there.
And that's where you got to haveleaders step up in that locker
room, like Jordan Love, and sayall right, guys, this is what it

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is, this is how it is.
You want to be a part of this.
The same with Matt LaFleur thisis where I want him to have a
Dan Campbell side of him.
Walk into that locker room andsay who's with it?
Right, who's with it?
Who wants to be a part of theprogram?
You don't want to be a part ofthe program?
Well, the bus will let you go.

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We got more than enough widereceivers now.
We can let you go.
You don't want to be a part ofthis.
You're going to complain abouttouches, whatever it is.
See you, you don't want to haveto deal with that at this point
.
You want to be building uptowards something Correct.
This offense and I want to talkabout this when we come back

(19:02):
here from the break could be atop in the division and could be
a top in the nfc.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
I really believe easily with the weapons they
have.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yes, will they get out of their own way, that's it
got out of their own way.
That's what I want to talk aboutwhen we come back here.
So make sure, if you have yourown opinion on that, I want to
hear what you got to say.
715-990-4914 hit us up.
We want to hear what you got tosay about that whole thing.
What do you think the Packersoffense is going to look like,
and can they be one of the topin the division slash NFC?

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We're going to talk about that.
We come back here from thebreak.
Um, we're going to be back.
We're going to talk a littlemore.
Packers here on the backsidehere.
We'll be right back on thisWednesday.
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So we went to the break andquestion because I said, with
all this drama, right, with allthis drama and there's drama
with elton jenkins right nowbecause he wants more money if
they're going to move him overto center, he wants to be set up
for his next contract becausetechnically, going to center

(20:34):
does affect his contracts of thefuture, so he wants more money.
We have the wide receiverissues we got.
I mean, we just got issuesright.
Sean ryan's probably upsetbecause he missed out on two mil
, because he missed two plays.
It's, I mean, a lot of dramaright now.
We're hearing about this packersoffense.
I feel, with the weapons theyhave coming back, jordan love

(20:56):
healthy with scrambling abilityright, he's got to have
scrambling ability.
With the weapons they have,with matt laflore and head coach
with an offensive line.
That only got better.
I know people are like, oh, Icould not.
It got better.
Trust me, if you move EllenJenkins to center over Josh
Myers and you still have therest of the cast characters, you
got better.
Plus the depth got better.
So I feel like this offense gotway better.

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You got a great play caller,matt LaFleur, who's going to be
able to utilize those weaponsnow, and you know, fingers
crossed, knock on wood, theystay healthy.
I feel like this offense isprimed to be tops in the
division and near the top in thenfc.
I really do with jordan love atquarterback with the weapons
they have.
And I forgot to mention the manin the backfield, josh jacobs.

(21:38):
I forgot about him.
I can't believe it.
I forgot about him.
I gotta be honest, though, ifI'm going to say it's going to
hinge on two things.
One, it's going to be thePackers getting out of their own
way.
Right, I think it's going to bethe Packers getting out of
their own way.
Maybe three things.
Okay, I'll give you threethings.
It's going to be the Packersgetting out of their own,
included the pre-snap penaltieshave got to be cut.
They've got to be cut downbecause pre-snap penalties have

(22:09):
killed this team.
All that crap has got to justwash away.
It's not going to go away.
I know pre-snap penalties arestill going to happen.
Right, you can't just get ridof them, but at the alarming
rate that they're happening thisGreen Bay Packers team,
especially in crucial moments,that's where it worries you.
The red zone offense hasdefinitely got to get better.
So I'm kind of leaning in there.
And the red zone offense for me, and the big plays Matt LaFleur

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.
I think this offense taking offis going to be on three things
Packers getting out of the wayon themselves, matt LaFleur not
being so conservative at times,just be it, be you right.
Two years ago, 2023, I can'ttell you how many plays I
watched where you would see arandom wide receiver, tucker
craft, just wide open down thesideline by himself because the

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play went the other way and theyconfused the ever-living crap
out of that defense.
And tucker craft's wide open,or jayden reed's wide open, or
romeo it was everybody.
It was everybody gettinginvolved in it.
It was wild.
And I'm not saying he didn'tcoach great good last year,
right, malik looks like a starunderneath the metal floor.
So I'm not saying he didn'tcoach good.
I just think metal floor hasgot to be his best.

(23:16):
Right, show me your best.
And then it comes down to jordanlove, because we talked about
this.
I feel like last week or twoweeks ago.
He has left a lot to be desired.
He has left a lot of bites onthat apple where it's like it's
either his where is he rightRight now?
He's kind of stagnant in themiddle.
He's a good quarterback right,sometimes flirting with great,

(23:37):
but a good quarterback.
Can he be a great quarterback?
Can he be the X factor?
Can he be the guy that takesthe Packers over the top?
It's going to be a collectiveeffort.
You're going to need theoffensive line to play well,
keep them up right.
Josh Jacobs to play well andthe wide receiver core to step
up and be them guys right.
And Tucker Kraft and LukeMusgrave, those guys being great
in the tight end room.
But you need Jordan Love to bethe best Jordan Love that you've

(23:58):
seen so far to progress to thatnext level.
Progress to that next level.
So, umar, I mean right noweverything that I'm saying this
Packers team, does this offensereally have that shot to be one
of the best in the division, ifnot the best in the division,
because we see the rest of theseteams kind of dismantling on
the offensive side this offense.
To me they could be one of thebest in the division.

(24:19):
They could be one of the bestin the NFC.
What are you thinking right now?

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I think that last year, for them to be as
disjointed as they were, to getinto the seventh seed and for
them to, you know, minus, youknow Saquon sliding on that one
run, but for the most partkeeping up with the Philadelphia
Eagles, up until that very end,that was with three of the
receivers, for the receiversdown to offense alignment down.
I think that if their offensecan take the next step, yeah,

(24:46):
they are not only one of thebest teams in the nfc north,
they're probably one of the bestteams in the nfc.
Because people want to keeptalking about our division,
which is always a good divisionfor the most part.
You have a lot of questionmarks in minnesota with jj
mccarthy and that offense now,yeah, they got great weapons,
but quarterback kind of runs,that thing, so you don't know
how, which way they're gonna go.

(25:07):
Of course, the defense took alot of hits, but Flores is a
great coordinator, I think, um,again, the Bears make all these
offseason moves and they're likeoh, you know they're gonna win
the Super Bowl every year.
Like you know, they're theoffseason, you know Super Bowl
champs basically, and they couldprobably improve upon their
record, but I don't see themgoing.
I personally don't see themhaving a winning record this
season.
Detroit has a lot of changes ontheir offensive and defensive

(25:29):
schemes, so who knows whatthey're going to do there.
I really do believe there has tobe consistency across the board
.
I think you said it best whenPackers were literally getting
in their own way False starts,all these different holding
penalties, you have drop passes,you have injuries, you have
inconsistent play at the centerand also offensive line.

(25:50):
The only person that wasprobably the most consistent on
offense was Josh Jacobs.
I mean, hands down, josh Jacobswas pretty relentless with the
way he ran the ball, caught theball, blocked all nine yards.
I mean, tucker Kraft had moregood than bad, but even he had a
couple of drops.
It just seems like we justdidn't see a consistent week in

(26:10):
and week out play on offense,like we did on defense, like we
did on special teams.
I think there's something thatyou mentioned when it came to
our offensive line, because wehave some changes right.
We've added some new talent inBelton, we've added some you
know, with also having,hopefully, jordan Morgan back
this year.
And then, of course, you haveElton going into center and,
honestly, like he's not at theworkouts, he's not really.

(26:34):
He's holding out for a bettercontract because he will be
turning 31 at the end of thisyear.
His contract, on average, Ithink, is like $16 million and
it's way below market value fora guard or a center.
And if I'm him, I do believethat if anyone's going to get a
third contract, it should beElton Jenkins, primarily because
of the fact that that guy canplay anywhere on the offensive
line.
You can plug him in on anysingle position and he will

(26:56):
excel there.
He's better at some than others, but he's pretty much above
average across the board, andhaving a Swiss Army knife like
him and Zach Tom on our startingoffensive line, you can't beat
that.
I mean, we're just being realand I agree with you.
I just think that the Packershave everything that's right in
front of them and, if we'rehonest with ourselves, in that
2023 season we literally were afield goal away from winning an

(27:19):
NFC championship game and we hadjust beat Detroit in Detroit on
Thanksgiving and I'm kind ofhappy that.
You know it sucks that whathappened, but then you know that
was the demise of Joe Barry asour defensive coordinator.
So I'm all for that.
But if we're being real, kylecurrently went to Detroit in the
NFC championship game and whoknows what would have happened.
I mean, could you imagine ifJordan Love would have been a
team, would have been aquarterback who, first year

(27:41):
starting, had taken the Packersto the NFC championship game or
the Super Bowl in his first yearand possibly playing the Chiefs
.
It's just, it's a lot of whatifs, don't get me wrong.
But again, why were we out ofthat game?
Because again, we shotourselves in the foot, we
couldn't make a field goal, wehad injuries, you know, and on
top of that too, we really mademistakes, we had interceptions,

(28:01):
we just made some bad mistakesand I just really want to see
them just have a complete game.
That's it.
You know, like I feel like it'sbeen so long since the packers
have a complete game on allthree phases offense, defense
and special teams god, yes,we'll almost go back to 2023.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, because dallas probably I don't even you could
say san fran.
Actually I would say completegame san San Fran, because
outside of the last Jordan LoveIntercept, that was a darn good
San Francisco 49 yeah like it'sdifferent than the one they got.
That was a darn good teamdefensively, offensively, and
the Packers were right there.
I mean they had a drive at theend to win it yes, that was the

(28:38):
middle goal, without the middlegoal from um.
Uh, what's his?

Speaker 3 (28:42):
name Anders Anders Carlson.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Anders Carlson right.
Without that Miss Fugle in thatgame, that's a whole different
ball game, because the 49ershave to score.
It changes the entirecomplexity of the game.
So I mean yes, 100%.
I would say probably.
Sam Fran was the last honest,complete, complete game that was
like this is a darngood-looking team.
They had moments last seasonthere.
I'm not saying they didn't, butI just never felt after the San

(29:07):
Fran game two years ago, Inever felt the same of the
Packers.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
I never felt the same .
The Elton Jenkins thing it'sbasically like you were talking,
but longevity, he wants to knowthat you're going to sign him
long-term because he knows thathe's taking a cut to go over
there.
Give him that long-term deal.
Let him know hey, we love you,buddy, it's okay.
Back end the deal, like thePackers love to do, and then
release him for whatever.
Get the dead cap in, that'sfine.

(29:35):
That's the way the Packers loveto roll contracts.
So I'm guessing that's the wayit'll work out.
Going to get something workedout, hopefully sooner rather
than later.
I I absolutely hate guysholding out.
It always drives me nutsbecause it's like um, you, you,
it, just.
It absolutely irritates mebecause you make millions of
dollars and you hold out becauseyou want more.
It's yeah, I would take fivemil and you could run me over at

(29:59):
center all day long and that'dbe cool.
I just make an injury and goout like it's just.
Sometimes these guys, it's likeI get what you're doing yeah,
market value.
At the same time, I'm like man,there's guys who would give way
less.
They give way less and theywould play that spot for you
right now.
So I don't know.
Sometimes they're just like ohirritates me.

(30:20):
Major league baseball does thesame thing when the players
union gets together and theywant to sit out again.
It just drives me nuts just.
Oh, anyways, anyways, I want toget out with the packer talk
here.
Umber's got to get out of here.
He's got way.
He's got a lot of things to dotonight all right.
So we got, we got to get out ofhere.
But we saw the coordinatorstalk.
Yes, I mean, what were some ofthe the quick when we were going

(30:41):
to talk more about thecoordinators in a little bit
here on the show.
But what were some of the quickhitters you got out of there?
We listened to passaccia talk,we listened to stanovich talk,
we listened to jeff halfley talk.
What were some of the quickhitters you got?
You're like, I like what youknow, what you had to say here,
or maybe I didn't really agreewith what this guy had to say
and it kind of made me concerned.
Is there anything that you got?
Some quick tidbits you got offof those press conferences?

Speaker 3 (31:03):
I think it's something more than what a lot
of people heard.
I think Rich Bizzaccio beingaccountable for the fact that he
felt he failed the floor inmultiple games last year.
He did.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Multiple years, not multiple games.
Multiple years Right.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
And so you're the assistant head coach.
You need to be able to guidehim in certain directions when
it comes to the time that's left.
When it comes to gamesituations, uh, keyshawn Nixon
probably gonna still be on kickreturns.
He said a lot of people arepissed off after the game, so a
lot of emotions are running high, so people are saying a lot of
crazy things, but we do have alot of talent that can play into
different special teampositions.

(31:35):
When it comes to returns, jeffHalfley, for as great as his
defense did last year, he has alot of respect and appreciation
for.
Coming to the new defensivecoordinator that came from new
england, he said that he thatguy has played in so many
different types of defensiveschemes that he's expecting a
big jump from our defensive line, our pass rushers.
He also thinks that he couldhave done better as a coach and

(31:56):
that he failed at certain pointsand he wants to improve on that
, which is a pretty good thing.
To say that, considering thefact that he had a top 10
defense last year Stenevichoffensively he knew that there's
a lot of things that are goingon with Jordan Love that kind of
impacted the way they calledsome of their offense.
With the insurgence of talentwith Golden he goes.
Golden looks pretty fast, savionlooks like a guy that he's
going to have a lot of fun withtrying to scheme things up, as

(32:19):
well as knowing that EltonJenkins is open to playing
center.
And, just honestly, as a whole,they all had not only positive
things to say, but they alsoseem to have a lot of
self-evaluation, self-scout andbeing very accountable for
things they came short up on.
And I feel like you can't.
I feel like as a coach and as aplayer, you have to know where

(32:41):
you did good and you also don'thave to where you did bad, cause
if you can't get better unlessyou kind of get an understanding
of where you can improve.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, no, I would agree there was a lot of quick
errors.
I had one question for you offof the off of the uh ones that,
oh, I guess what I saw there.
Uh, I loved what Halfley had tosay yeah, yeah in all of his
press conferences and you knowhim saying that he wanted to
know, like he thought he had tobe better, holding
accountability on himself.

(33:08):
I love to hear that, sayingthat his defense had to be
better and that's why they gotrid of the old defensive line
coach there I love that.
I absolutely love that becausehe's holding accountability for
himself.
Something that absolutelydrives me nuts with matt
lafortur, yeah, is that.
Sometimes I don't think he'saccountable.
I don't think he wants to holdhimself accountable.

(33:28):
He doesn't say it.
He doesn't tell me like Isucked, like I saw.
That's what I want out ofcoaches sometimes.
I just want to hear them comeonto a stage and say I sucked, I
sucked.
This is what I got to do to bebetter.
Right, I put my guys in thisbad spot.
I didn didn't do this right,everything like that.
And that's what Halfley did.
He basically said like I trustthe guys in the room, the pass

(33:49):
rushers, everything like that.
I trust these guys, I know theyhave it.
It's just can I get the rightguy in the room to make them
better?
And I did a bad job by puttingthis other guy there.
Now I got Covington.
I feel great.
So I kind of liked what Halfleyhad to say in his presser there
and talking about you know, canthe strong finish they had, can
that carry over Halfley puttingup great numbers?

(34:10):
I mean, what did you thinkabout what Jeff Halfley had to
say in that kind of pressconference?

Speaker 3 (34:15):
It's funny what you said about LeFleur.
I felt like it's the oppositeof LeFleur.
I feel like he just takes toomuch accountability.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Well, he does but he does it the right way, because
he says this has the same darnthing every time, every time,
and it's like fix it like he's,like that's on me, that's on me,
that's on me and I'm like allright, dog, that's great, I
appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
But I need you now to make a decision as to why that
is the way it is and make sureit doesn't keep happening week
in and week out.
Because, like you said, as acoach, if you keep making the
same mistake over and over againwhen it comes to game-in
decisions, when it comes tochallenging plays, when it comes
to short and distance, and thengoing and doing certain things
and doing like sweep run-aroundsand stuff like that, I'm with
you.
So, but Halfley is the kind ofcoordinator from the day he was

(34:58):
hired to today.
I can re-listen to his pressconferences over and over and
over and never get sick of it.
Just the way he talks, talks,the way he motivates.
It's scary to think that he'dprobably be out of here in a
year as a head coach somewhere,because that's just the way.
He just has that demeanor, um,yeah, and I was very much like,
yeah, I was very much like whyare we hiring this dude out of

(35:19):
boston college?
Like who the heck is he right?
And I listened to all hisinterviews at Boston college.
I listened to all his stuffwhen he first came in and I just
been completely enamored by him.
He just the way he speaks.
It's just a breath of fresh airand it's a guy who's not only
knowledgeable, but he doesn'ttry to fit a square peg in a
round hole when it comes to likeokay, this is my scheme, you

(35:39):
need to learn it.
No, this is my scheme and we'regoing to find a way not only
for you to adapt to my scheme,but me to adapt to you yeah and
then try to get the best out ofboth of us.
I mean that's how you buildwinning, successful teams,
because you you got to have alittle give and take and
sometimes these coaches come inand like it's my way or the
highway, and that can only getyou so far yep, no, I, if I was

(36:00):
goody, I'd I'd take them intoclosed doors and I'd be like,
hey, just so you know.
I'll keep paying you to stay If.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Matt LaFleur, don't cut it in a couple years here
like job's, yours man, Job'syours, don't go anywhere, don't
go anywhere.
I'll give you extra money.
Just stick around, just in caseit goes south.
We got you, you're going to beour guy.
Like I listen to his, like Ilisten to Bill Michaels' show

(36:26):
and he'll play the pressconferences on the radio and
everything like that and I'mlistening to it and it's like am
I listening to Matt LaFleur oram I listening to Jeff Halfley?
Like they're similar, they'revery similar in voice demeanor,
everything that they're saying.
And even like Halfley now, likehe wasn't as much of a joker
the last season, he's jokingaround with the media telling
him he's got a sweatshirt forhim to start, like he's just

(36:47):
he's settling in and I thinkthat is the best thing, because
once he settles in, I think thescheme maybe comes easier than
two.
Right, because he's starting tothink about changing up.
Right, he's talking aboutrunning more three, four instead
of four, three he's little bit.
I saw that he was talking aboutthat olive colin albert and he

(37:08):
said, oh, he's gonna play alittle bit of what I can't
remember what spot he said there, but, um, he's talking about
yeah, you know he's gonna playthis different spot and
everything like that.
It's only used to a three, four.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
It's like, oh, okay, okay he's going to make those
adjustments.
I feel like it's an absolutelyamazing nope yeah, no, I love it
.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I love the adjustment as halfley's making.
So umber's got to get out ofhere.
We got to hit a commercialbreak, so we will catch you guys
after the commercial break.
We're gonna talk maybe a littlemore packers.
We got brewer talk to get to.
We got all kinds of stuff tohit tonight here.
Kyle's gonna join us and talkbucks, so we'll be right back
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So we were talking Packers here.
So great stuff there from themwhere we're talking about.
You know what we've seen as oflate here some of the
controversy going on with thegroup at Packers.

(39:50):
We listened to Jeff Halfley andI kind of keyed in on his press
conference that he had.
So last season the Packers theymade impressive strides in
their first season with JeffHalfley Finished sixth in
scoring defense 19.9, and alsofinished sixth in total defense
and seventh against the runs.
They only lost really one guyTJ Slate, the only guy out the
door run stopper in his ownright but really only lost one

(40:14):
guy.
So the Packers believe they canbe better on that side of the
ball in 2025.
So Halfley met with media onMonday there and he was talking
about some of these things.
So the big thing he was askedcan the strong allowing just 16
points per game in the finalfour regular season contests.
In their playoff loss they heldPhiladelphia to the fewest

(40:36):
points that they had in thewhole postseason Impressive
numbers.
Halfway's optimistic about hisunit there, he said probably the
biggest thing is I thought wewere playing really hard at the
end of the year, like we werereally physical, we were really
running to the ball, guys wereplaying confident, guys were
communicating.
It just felt like it came alive.

(40:56):
And that's probably the thingto throw out the numbers, the
statistics and where we are.
I think we played harder thanour opponents at the end of the
year and we were more physical.
That's what you love to hear,because there's one thing that a
lot of people like to say aboutMatt LaFleur teams Physicality
is not there.
They don't show thatphysicality.
Well, jeff Affleck, he has thatfeeling.

(41:16):
He's like we can get better atthis, we can carry this over
into this season, we can becomemore physical and I thought they
did.
I was impressed by thephysicality of this defense and
the improvement of the defensethroughout the year and what we
saw.
The numbers, the eye test versusthe numbers were two different
things.
Right, and it was because incrucial moments, the defense it

(41:37):
was like they were a bend butdon't break.
At times they would bend butthey wouldn't break.
They'd give up big chunk plays,they'd give up a lot of yards
but they wouldn't break.
And that's where you look atthat Philadelphia game.
They were set up in some badsituations right off the bat.
Right, they set up in aterrible situation right off the
bat.
But you look at the flip sideof it and you look at the first

(42:01):
time the Packers saw Philly inBrazil.
They were set up.
The Packers offense was set upvery good multiple times by the
defense.
Just the Packers offensecouldn't capitalize.
So I love what Halfley had tosay there.
He believes this defense cantake that next step.
So love that there.
He also was talking about NateHobbs.
He said he loves what NateHobbs can do.
He's had a lot of successinside and I thought his tape
outside was equally as good.

(42:22):
He is competitive, he's tough,he's physical, he plays the game
fast.
You can tell he loves it.
He just jumps off the tape.
He's been a great addition andhe just does give you that
versatility where you can movehim around and again, I'm a big
fan of that.
That's huge having theversatility of a guy like Nate
Hobbs Excuse me there A guy likeNate Hobbs being able to work

(42:42):
him inside and out.
So I love that there fromHalfley Talking about the pass
rush.
So this was the big part that wewanted to key in on was talking
about that pass rush.
There they were very I mean tosay mediocre would be a nice way
of putting it they stunk in2024.
The pass rush was terrible.
They didn't do much to addressit in the draft.
They grabbed baron sorrell inthe fourth round and also

(43:05):
grabbed colin oliver in thefifth.
They call him and understand,they basically call him a pass
rush specialist, colin oliver.
So the packers, they're lookingat rashad gary, they're looking
at lucas van ness and they'resaying you guys are our main
guys.
So what halfley had to say?
I need to be better, ourcoaches need to coach better,
our players need to play better.

(43:26):
That's what he had to say onthat.
There.
We just don't want to stay thesame.
We, we want to be better.
We lost in the playoffs.
That wasn't good enough.
We got to figure it out as wego, but I think we'll be able to
do better.
I'm confident there.
So Jeff Affleck's showing theconfidence in these guys.
He's showing the confidence ofLucas Van Ness and some of these
young guys to step up in thatpass rush room.
So we'll see what kind oftranspires there.

(43:47):
But Jeff Affleck seems to bespeaking confidently on those.
He spoke on Edgerin Cooper andwhat he's going to be able to do
this next season.
And the big thing that I tookaway from what he had to say
about Edgerin Cooper was, youknow, the injuries last season.
He was banged up.
We didn't get a full season outof Edgerin Cooper.
We got moments and in thosemoments he was spectacular.

(44:08):
Now, put what he did Finishedthe season with 77 tackles, 13
for a loss, three and a halfsacks, seven quarterback hits,
four passes defended, aninterception, a forced fumble
and two fumble recoveries in 14games, four starts.
Take what he was able to do.
Put it all together into acomplete season.
If you can do that, wow, right,wow.

(44:29):
And the big thing for cooper,and what halfley had to say he's
taking a next step physicallyto win from 229 now he's up to
240.
But we're I mean halfley'sexpecting a big year two.
We're hoping for a big year two.
I'm looking at this and I'msaying I'm excited.
I'm excited to see what edgarand cooper can do for this

(44:50):
packers defense there.
And then Affleck was asked about, I mean Jair Alexander and
basically whatever, whatever.
On that one.
We're not even going to talkabout Jair Alexander because I'm
so sick of hearing everythingthat has to do with Jair and
everything in between.
I'm going to wait until thatthing is finished and either
he's traded or he's not.
Whatever happens happens, andthat's basically what Affleck
said.
We're going to find out.

(45:11):
We happens happens.
And that's basically whatathlete said.
We're gonna find out, we'regonna find out what happens.
Either he's gonna be here, he'snot.
He's a part of the.
He's not there but he's part ofthe meeting.
So we'll see what happens.
Which I hear alexander there, uh, listening to basaccia talk.
There we talked a little bitabout what basaccia had to say.
He said that keishon nixon isstill gonna be in the mix for
the kick return job.
He said he didn't want it, buthe still gave him in the mix.
Apparently he must have hadbetter talks than what we heard

(45:33):
about there.
So he wasn't really happy afterthe Eagles game.
He wanted to just be at thecornerback position.
We'll see what kind of happensthere.
He got Hardman in the room sowe'll see kind of what he
decides there and if Nixon willwant to be a part of that job
there.
I did and I mentioned it earlierand I looked it up at the break
there I did talk about withUmmer.
There I was talking aboutHalfley hinting on that 3-4 base

(45:54):
Instead of that 4-3, he wasgoing to switch over to that 3-4
.
Interesting right Kind ofgetting not really more advanced
but being versatile in hisdefensive alignments, and that's
something that Jeff Halfleykind of praised DeMarcus
Cummington for was his abilityto be versatile with his number
of techniques and fronts.

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It was very interesting to haveand he loved that about him,
especially, you know, workingunderneath the Bill Belichick
and he's because and this iswhat I was the phrase I was
looking for before that I missedout on I had it in my notes and
I just missed it.
They talked to him about, youknow, the rookie defender there,
colin Oliver, and he statedthat Oliver could be an on the
ball linebacker, a role that isseldom played in the four three.

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So switching to that three,four, it's, it's hinting at we
might see a little bit ofdifferent there in the front
which could be that three, four,which is interesting, which is
interesting development therewith this defense.
So I love that.
I love that.
You know know, bringing in newdefensive line coach who's very
versatile, a guy who you knowhas been a part of different

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techniques, different fronts,different trying different
things.
You bring him in.
You also bring in some passrush specialists, as they call
them in column oliver, and thenyou're talking about a 3-4 base
and being able to switch betweenthat and a 4-3.
I.
I like the versatility thatdefense is going to be able to
show.
So a lot is going to go intothat.
A lot was made of the packagetransition to the four three
last year.

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I mean, where are you kind ofat with that?
I like the versatility.
I I like the versatility beingable to throw something else in
there if the four three is notworking.
I mean you are at this point atthe mercy of if your pass rush,
if your guys, are going to beable to step up and be the guys
you think they can be, and ifthey're not, then you have to

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find other ways to get thequarterback right.
You got to find ways to get thequarterback and if you can't do
it through a four three.
Maybe you got to switch thingsup.
And that is where having thatversatility and having a guy
like demarcus coming to come inas defensive line coach, having
Halfley so willing to trydifferent things, I'm good with
it.
I really think it's good for thePackers to be more versatile on

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the defense.
Try different schemes, see whatworks, see what works, see what
doesn't, find different ways toget to the quarterback.
They have to find ways to getthe quarterback and if that
takes switching up the wholefront, it takes switching up the
front, switching up the wholefront, it takes switching up the
front.
I mean, that's just plain andsimple.
You have to find ways to getthe quarterback and if the
fourth three ain't doing it, thefourth three ain't doing it,
plain and simple.
You can't just go all byplayers at this point because

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you just can't.
So what are you going to do,right?
So you have to adjust as acoaching staff, you have to
adjust as defense coordinator,you have to adjust the defensive
line coach, head coach,whatever it is.
You have to adjust to try andmake your guys' jobs easier
there.
One last question I had.
I was asked this questionacross social media there when
do you stand kind of on QuayWalker, because they declined

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that option or the option forthat fifth year, and basically
signaling, hinting at they'regoing to work on an extension.
I'm good with the extension.
I think Quay Walker I wastalking about Jordan Love
leaving a lot to be desired.
I don't want to compare JordanLove to Quay Walker, because I
think Jordan Love has a ton.
He's a boatload of upside,right.

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I don't want to say that QuayWalker doesn't have a boatload
of upside, but Quay Walker ishit or miss at this point.
Could he be a?
Could he be a guy?
I really do think he could be.
I think he could be fantastic.
Could it go the other way,though?
I really think it could.
I think he gets it.
We talked about the Packers teamgetting in their own way.
I think Quay Walker gets in hisown way when he can just be off

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the ball, just himself, go playit and pass coverage, just work
downhill, rush the quarterback,not have any real
responsibility, like terribly.
You know not green dot, right.
I think he's better.
I think he struggles gettingoff blocks at times.
I I see that he's got a lot ofissues.

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He's got a lot of problems.
I, looking at him, I he's, he'sgot a lot of, he's got a lot of
potential.
It's just, will Matt will halfhalfly, and this defense, will
they be able to get it out?
And will, will this coachingstaff be able to get it out of
them and find that potential andtry to, you know, put it out
there like Luke's Van Ness,basically right, so if they have

(50:09):
confidence in them, okay, let'ssee it, see it, let's see it
now.
So we got a lot more to get totonight here.
I want to talk Bucs here.
We got Bucs tonight.
We got a lot of Brewer talk toget to tonight here.
So make sure you're coming back.
We're going to come back here.
We're going to wrap it up forthis hour and then we're going
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So went into the break.
We've been talking Packerstoday because there's a lot
that's been going on, a lot ofstuff in the news, a lot of
controversial talk, everythinglike that, and press conferences
oh my goodness Right.
And press conferences oh mygoodness right.
Football we're getting close,right.
Schedule release is happeningtoday.
It happened today, right, butyou guys know I'm prerecorded so
I can't talk about the schedulerelease because I don't know.

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I know they play Philadelphia.
I know who they play, right.
I know who they play at thispoint here.
I just don't really know when.
Right.
I know Philadelphia and I knowthe Bears Bears.
I know those two games Outsideof that.
I know they play the Lions,bears, vikings, ravens, bengals,
eagles, commanders, panthers,and then they play the Lions,
bears, vikings, cowboys, giants,browns, steelers, broncos,

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cardinals.
I know it's going to be a toughschedule.
Any way you shape it up for theGreen Bay Packers this next
season, it's going to be a toughschedule.
I don't even have the schedule.
I can't see the schedule rightBecause I'm telling you I'm
talking to you on a Tuesday,it's Wednesday.
So I know that it's going to bea tough schedule.
No matter how they shake it up,they could probably, you know,

(52:22):
hose them by giving them theEagles and the Commanders right,
or something crazy like that.
They could hose them definitely.
But honestly, any way that youshape this, it could be a
gauntlet.
Bears could be good.
Lions, yeah, vikings, they'regoing to have a solid defense.
I don't know about the offensewith JJ McCarthy, but we'll find

(52:43):
out.
They've got playmakers.
Bengals juggernaut of anoffense.
You never know about thedefense.
Ravens, right, darn good team.
Cowboys yeah, who knows.
Giants, I am in.
Uh, browns, I, they could be upin the air.
Steelers could be I mean, thatcould be fun if Aaron Rodgers

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right, that could be fun.
Broncos they're a good teamagain.
Cardinals played solid lastseason.
Their Panthers could be gettingbetter.
I mean, this schedule for theGreen Bay Packers, whatever way
it's shaked out, is going to betough.
If the Packers come out of thisas a wildcard team, that's a

(53:25):
darn good wildcard team.
I'd be ultimately impressed.
If they won the division withthis schedule, I'd be even more
impressed.
But if they got a wildcard outof this, I would be okay like
I'm.
I'm not sitting here saying thata wild card next season is
completely a bust of a seasonfor the packers, simply because
I look at this schedule and Isay lions twice, bears twice,

(53:47):
vikings twice ravens, bangles,eagles, commanders you're
talking about some of the bestteams in football right there,
with the Ravens, eagles andCommanders.
You're talking about a Broncosteam on the up and up.
You're talking about a Steelersteam who's always consistent.
You're talking about a Brownsteam with who even knows, right,
who's going to be a quarterbackthere.
You got four of them.
Who's going to be a quarterback?
Cardinals have been playingbetter.
Be a very interesting,interesting year, interesting

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season, right I have.
You come out of this with an 11and 7 record or whatever, and
you end up as a playoff team,maybe with six losses.
You end up as a wildcard teamin the playoffs.
I think you take that as a win,you take to the bank and you
say, yes, sir, nice.
So yeah, that's kind of wherewe're going to be talking about
schedule release next week hereon the show.

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So we'll be talking about that.
We'll talk about a lot of otherPacker stuff next week on the
show.
So hey we're at the top of thehour we're going to talk.
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So we're talking Packers in thefirst hour of the show tonight
here, great Packer talk, umberwas on.
We were talking Packers.
Now we got to get to the not sogreat that's going on in
Wisconsin right now and that isthe Brewers.

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And well, the Bucs.
Their season's over technicallyright, but that was not so good
to begin with.
So we got Kyle coming on later.
We're going to talk Bucs here,but I want to talk talk brewers.
But before we get there we gotto go to what was grinding my
gears right.
I usually I start to show withit.
Umber was on early tonight here, so I wasn't able to get well,
what was grinding my gearscoming off the weekend.

(56:21):
The number one thing was it waswhy does so?
And I know a lot of people havethis.
They they have to have the samecomment or whatever.
So I got my car loan right andevery time that I go to pay my
car loan I have to verify thatit's me Every time.
Why do I have to verify thatI'm paying my own loan off.

(56:46):
If anybody out there would liketo pay off my loan, you could
be my guest, you can pay it, andI won't even tell them to have
you verify that it's you, that'snot me.
It baffles me.
It's like every time that youpay a bill, you have to verify

(57:07):
that you're the one paying yourown bill.
Who's trying to steal your bill?
Who's trying to pay your billfor you?
It's wild.
It's absolutely wild.
Almost as bad as my next thingthat's grinding my gears, and
that is the DMV.
I know a lot of people haveterrible times with the DMV.
Well, long story short, so Isold a truck to a guy and there

(57:29):
was a whole mess with it andthey needed the title and
everything like that.
Well, it had to be releasedfrom the bank, basically, and
the bank released it in July of2023.
The DMV that this guy went totold him that the bank hadn't
done it yet, and then I calledbig dogs down there in Madison

(57:50):
and they're like no, it wasreleased in July of 2023.
And I'm like what is going on?
And this is, after you sit onhold and you have, they give you
the options of what you'recalling for, right, you know
cause.
You always get your options one, two or three and it's like oh,
you're calling to have yourtitle, you're calling for this,
whatever.
So you click two and then,after it gives you the options,
you get more options on top ofthe options, and then you get

(58:12):
more options on top of theoptions, and then you get sent
to a person and then when theyfinally answer so after 15
minutes, they finally answerThen, after I talk to him, he
says oh well, I'm going to sendyou to an advanced person.
And I gave him the VIN numberof the vehicle, everything like
that, and he's like oh, I'llgive you to an advanced person
because I'm showing that it's inhere, but this advanced person

(58:34):
will be able to help you.
Oh, okay, so they send you tothe advanced person.
Well, then the advanced personcomes on and they're like well,
I'm going to need the VIN numberof this vehicle and everything
like that.
And who are you and everything?
Didn't this guy who just sentyou over?
Did he tell you who I was?
Didn't he send you my info?
Why do I have to re-give it toyou?
Oh, the DMV man.
Oh, drives me bonkers.

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So, yeah, the DMV is grindingmy gears.
Between the DMV and me havingto authorize this, me doing any
kind of bill paying is justridiculous.
In my own way it's justridiculous.
So those two things aregrinding my gears Not quite like
the angle parking at Menards,but those two things are
grinding my gears.
Another thing, and this is goingto lead into my brewer talk the

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I told you so, people, I don'tknow what, if it brings major
joy to some people, I could goright now I could say, hey,
jordan love is going to suckthis year.
I got one right?

(59:38):
I hope not.
He's just gonna stink.
Yeah, plain and simple, he'sjust gonna stink.
And then jordan love stinks.
And then I can go on socialmedia.
But I told all you guys.
I told all you guys, it's thesame thing.
I got going out.
It's the same thing with thebrewers right now, all across
social media.
Well, I told you guys, goinginto the season with oliver dunn

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and vinnie capra was not a goodidea.
Well, no way really going intothe season with a guy who last
year struggled in oliver dunnand with a guy in vinnieapra who
was very unproven, just had ahot spring, wow, really, oh, you
told me so, really, wow, wow.

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And then, when the wholepitching staff said, well, I
told you they should have signedmore guys, really, oh well,
they should have Hindsight being20-20.
They should have hindsightbeing 2020.
They should have the.
I told you so.
People are absolutelypositively ridiculous, just for

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it's in everything, every sport,everything, and it's people are
just these people just exhaust,exhausting with that stuff.
So, anyways, anyways, off the Itold you so people, off of the
DMV, off of that Everything inbetween.
Let's talk about the Brewers,because this is and I saw the

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best and this tweet sums up thewhole thing.
And Grant Bills I talked abouthim earlier on the show Because
him and Christian Watson's dadwere going at it.
Well, not really.
Grant Bills just said basicallylike hey, before you start
freaking out on Twitter, whydon't you put the phone down and
take a walk?
And then he went absolutelyballistic on Grant Bills.
Well, grant Bills goes onTwitter and he says remember,
torpedo Bats, you could arm thisclubhouse with a lockhead,

(01:01:35):
martin, bgm 109, tomahawk, lambattack, land attack missile and
they still struggle to hit aball out of the infield.
That is absolutely.
I laughed.
I laughed so hard when I sawthat.
I laughed so hard when I sawthat.
There it is, 100 of the truth.
Right now, this team can't hit,they can't, they can't hit,
they can't find a way to get on,they can't find a way to get on
, they can't find a way to scoreruns, plain and simple.
Am I worried about the Brewersright now?

(01:01:55):
Yes, yes, I am.
I am a thousand percent worriedabout the Brewers.
Yeah, and it's not to the factof, and everybody's going to say
, oh well, they can't hit.
And everybody's going to say,oh well, this guy can't pitch or
this, that ain't Pions ispitching well, so nobody can
yell at y'all Pions right nowbecause that run that he gave up
against the Indians or theGuardians sorry, the Guardians

(01:02:20):
there Jackson Shurio dove againin center field and missed and
the ball rolled to the wall.
Am I worried about him?
Yeah, I'm worried about thefundamental side of the
Milwaukee Brewers.
I'm not even.
I am absolutely not evenworried.
Like I'm sitting here saying toyou this team lacks the simple

(01:02:41):
things of baseball.
They're committing errors leftand right, mental blunders.
They can't even put a ball inplay, they can't get a ball out
of the infield.
And we're sitting here, we'relike, oh, they just, they suck
at at this, they suck at that.
Yeah, they do, they do, 100,they do.
But at the same time, we'resitting here, we're, we're

(01:03:01):
screaming, hooting and holleringabout all the wrong things.
We're hollering about this guy.
We're how about that?
Let's put it all together as ateam.
Fundamentally, they stink,absolutely, stink, absolutely.
Stink Defensively, stinkOffensively, just finding ways
to put the ball in play, stink.

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Yes, I'm worried about thisteam and I look to a guy and
this is where I'm going to lookand everybody's going to defend
this guy every single day and Iam going to.
Finally, everybody's going todefend this guy every single day
and I am going to, finally, I'mgoing to be the guy to rip it.
I'm going to be the guy to ripthem, because everybody else is
trying to defend this guy.
I'm going to rip them.
There's some people that areprobably ripping them, I
guarantee it.
But Christian Yelich.

(01:03:45):
I don't care that he has sevenhome runs, I don't care, I
really don't.
I don't care that he has sevenhome runs.
I don't care that he leads theteam in RBIs, I don't.
He has seven home runs and 26RBIs.
Good, great, he's batting 205.
49 strikeouts on the season 49strikeouts, 31 hits, four

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doubles, seven home runs, 26RBIs.
Not saying that he's notputting, he's hitting home runs,
he's hitting bombs, right, he'shitting RBIs, sure, great.
What I look at Christian Yelichand I say right now is he's got
to step up and be the guy.
Right, you paid him all thismoney.
He's your big contract guy.
It's not Contreras, not Hoskins, definitely not Frelick, it

(01:04:34):
ain't Ortiz.
Who's the guy in that clubhousewho makes the money, the guy who
, when you look at him, he'ssupposed to be the leader of
this team, christian Jelic.
That's plain and simple.
He is supposed to be the guy inthe clubhouse who's supposed to
rally this thing.
Rally the troops, right,everybody's going to everybody.
Rally this thing, rally thetroops right.

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When Willie, everybody's goingto everybody they sit there and
they say well, you know, this iswhat happens when you trade,
willie Adamas, this is whathappens when you trade.
Okay, yeah, but what were yougoing to do when he retired?
Just say, screw it, you neededto have another guy.
Step up, step up and be thatguy, be the leader in that
locker room, be the voice, bethe guy to say hey, jackson, out

(01:05:25):
in center field, figure it out.
Right?
This is what you're doing wrong.
Let's get to the ballparkearlier.
Let's do this.
That's a team leader.
A guy to rally the troops let'sdo this.
Let's do that's a team leader.
A guy to rally the troopsYellow Chain ain't that guy.
He's not being that guy.
They need those guys to step upand be the leaders of this team
.

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Right now, this team, this Idon't know how else to say it,
but at times it's embarrassing.
Baseball it is.
It's embarrassing.
This is a team and defensively,offensively pitching, at times,
right now, it's just lack ofexecution, lack of fundamentals,

(01:06:08):
lack of leadership, lack ofownership, lack of everything
with this ball club.
Right now.
It starts at I'm going to dothis right it starts at Marc
Ananasio.
It goes all the way down.
You want to blame Mark Ananasiofor the offseason?
Be my guest, I'm okay with that.
He did not.
I seriously wonder and this isan honest question and I don't

(01:06:33):
know if anybody's got the answerand if you got the answer for
me or if you have a comment onthis?
I'd love to hear it.
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I am under the impression andthis is where I'm at the Brewers

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weren't supposed to be goodlast year.
They weren't.
That was like a gap year.
This season was a gap year too.
It's just last year.
They won baseball games.
They found ways to win baseballgames.
This year they're just notfinding ways.
Look at their record in gameswhere they don't score first,

(01:07:15):
right, where the opposing teamscores first, they are 0-13, I
believe, or something like that.
I mean just a terrible number.
But it's the opposite, right?
You want to talk about polaropposites?
Last season they were good inclose games.
Cardiac crew, they were good inclose games and at comebacks.
This season they're terrible.
Once they're losing in a game,they suck.
When they go up four runs,they're great, but getting four

(01:07:37):
runs is a problem.
Getting hits right now is aproblem.
I don't know At this point.
There's a lot of blame that cango around.
There's a lot of blame, and Imean Pat Murphy.
You look at what he's doinghere and he's I don't want to

(01:08:00):
say benching guys, but he'spulling guys, he's holding them
accountable.
And you can only do that somany times, right?
Because the rest of youroffense is struggling, the rest
of your team is struggling.
So how can you keep pullingguys?
And you have to pull guys totry and prove a point and to
show the focus why aren't theguys in the clubhouse and the
locker room and everything likethat, holding those guys
accountable, telling them hey,let's figure it out.

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I, I man, I love, I, I.
I thought, I really thought,going into this year, this team
had a lot of upside and they hada lot of young guys that I was
excited to see lead this teamand take them to the next level.
Now I'm sitting here like, okay, now it's like a prove it year
for guys and we're to see whowants a contract and who wants
to be extended.
That's kind of where it's at,kind of where it's heading,

(01:08:53):
because and we're going to talkmore Brewers when we come back
here for the break we had abreak coming up here.
But you look at the NL Central.
Everybody's like, oh, the Cubsare this darn good baseball team
and they're going to run awaywith this division and
everything else and they're24-18.
They're not even playing thatgood a ball Cardinals 23-19.

(01:09:15):
Reds 20-22.
Brewers 20-23.
Like there's four and a halfgames as bad as the Brewers have
been.
They are four and a half gamesas bad as the brewers have been.
They are four and a half gamesback of the chicago cubs, four
and a half games back of thechicago cubs.
That's let that sink in for asecond.

(01:09:36):
They're right there.
They're there.
It's not like they'recompletely out of this race.
Does it feel like they're outof this race?
Yeah, yeah, right now.
Right now, you want to ask me myhonest opinion and we're in an
overreaction moment right now.
We're going to settle it backin when we come back from the
break.
Here we're going to talk whatthis team needs to do, right,
but right now, does it feel likethe Brewers are farther away

(01:09:58):
from the top or closer to thetop?
I'm going to let that ponder.
I want to hear you guys'opinion on that.
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Do you believe the Brewers arecloser to the top or are they
closer to middle of the packbottom?
Where do you see the Brewersfitting in right now?
In the MLB, in the NL, in theMLB?
Wherever you want to put them?
Even in the NL Central, wheredo you see this team In the
middle of the pack?
Where are they?
I'll answer that question whenwe come back from the break here
.
We're going to have a lot moreBrewer talk to get to tonight
here.
We got Bucks talk.

(01:10:38):
Later on we got NBA talk.
We got all kinds of stuff withKyle later on in the show.
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Call chad down there at Sportand Spine Clinic.
Don't trust anyone else withyour physical therapy needs.
So we were talking Brewers whenwe went to the break and I asked
the question and I hope thatyou guys had an answer to that
and I hope maybe it was a goodone or maybe it was terrible.
I'm expecting a lot of both.
Is this Brewers team closer tothe top or closer to the bottom?

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How big is the gap between theBrewers and the top teams?
You look around the MLB rightnow.
Even if we were to narrow itand just look at the NL, I don't
believe the Brewers are closerto the Dodgers Padres Giants no

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Mets, no Giants, no Mets, noPhillies, no Cubs.
I wouldn't say so, not rightnow.
Cardinals no.
Where are the Brewers?
Middle of the pack at best.
I saw the Yahoo I don't evenknow if Yahoo Sports is, they

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have Yahoo Sports and I sawtheir power rankings where they
had the Brewers 20th, 20th, 21st.
Sorry my mistake.
They're below the Rays Shouldbe Rays.
Just beat them in a series.
They're below the rays shouldbe raised.
Just beat him in a series.
They're below the race, justahead of the reds, which I can't

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last for that much longerbecause they're technically
behind the reds and standingsand the way that this guardian
series is going and if, if allheld true today, they probably
got swept.
They got Oakland, they gotBaltimoretimore has struggled.
So I mean, at least you gotthat.
You can feel good aboutyourself.
That baltimore is strugglingtoo.
Okay, yay, I, right now, thisbirth team has got a lot, a lot

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of problems, a lot of problemsand the.
The question I, I don't want tosay we're getting to that point
because I always say memorialday, right, that's a moment that
you got to check in where we at, I know, the brewers are still,
they're still trying to gethealthy.

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Right, you still have guys out.
You have gary mitchell out now.
You have perkins out now youhave Perkins out.
It's not helping your centerfield situation.
Maybe if those guys came backyou can move Sal the third.
I don't know Caleb Durbin.
I love Caleb Durbin, I do, buthe is not your everyday third
baseman, he's not.
He's not an everyday thirdbaseman, he's a utility player

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player.
He's a super utility player.
He's great a utility player.
He's not your everyday guy.
Nope, not at all.
So the question comes in that,like, what do you do?
Right, because you're at this,you're in this crossroads right
now where your team's struggling.
You don't have I, I wouldn'teven say there's a lot of bats
when you look down in triple aright now, I don't think there's

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a lot of bats where you canjust call down there and you can
say, oh, send this guy upbecause he's hot right, I don't
think they have that in theminors right now.
You have it in, maybe like theAA, but you don't have it right
now in the bigs, so it's a big.
There's big problems right nowfor the Milwaukee Brewers.
Let's get I see Kyle is onearly tonight here.

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He's on a little bit earlierthan what we were going, so
we're not going to talk, we'renot talking Bucs yet, but I want
to bring Kyle in here.
He's already on, so we're goingto get him in here and we're
going to talk a little bit ofBrewers with Kyle tonight here.
Kyle, he's all NBA-ed out right, talk a little baseball,
because baseball is hot andheavy right now too.
Kyle, this brewers team, rightnow, kyle, it's a lot of
problems, a lot of problems withthe brewers and I mean we go

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back to.
I was talking leadership withchristian yelich.
Everybody is talking about hisaverage and everything like that
.
I said I don't care as muchabout that right now.
I need this guy to be a leaderin the locker room because, as
of right now, jackson cheeriosmaking misplays we have guys
making misplays all over thefield right now.
There's problems all over thefield defensively.
Fundamentally, this team looksoff and you're getting to the

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point where I don't.
I'm gonna ask this wild question, kyle, where do you see the
brewers right now?
I asked this question going tothe break and I want to hear
your opinion where do you seethem?
Where's the gap?
Right, because you got your topteams in baseball, the dodgers,
you got the yankees, you gotthe mets phillies, all those
teams and then you have yourbasement dwellers in the white

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socks and the rockies and thoseteams.
Where do the brewersrealistically fit in?
Because for me right now, I sawthe yahoo sports rankings,
power rankings.
They had them at 21.
I'm probably at 21 withmilwaukee brewers right now.
I don't see him as much higherthan that.
Where do you got him right now?
Also, how you doing tonight.
How you doing tonight on thison this wednesday?

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
no, I'm good, definitely good.
Uh, I mean, man, looking at thebrewers team, I feel like first
and foremost you look at themas kind of underperforming.
But the good thing with them isone they're still like a third.
Well, they're only like a thirdof the season in and actually

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like a quarter of the season.
Let me be more realistic there.
They're hovering around 500.
I think with some of theseteams that have gotten off a
little slow, hang around 500.
Maybe you catch a little run oflike two, three weeks.
When the season gets a littlehotter, warming up some of these

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ballparks, the ball will startflying out of Some of these guys
might break out of their slump.
So, as bad as it looks rightnow, they're only four and a
half out in the division.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
The Cubs are sucking.
As much as people want to tellme that the Cubs are like this
juggernaut team and they'regoing to run away with it.
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
They're keeping everybody in it.
Yep, If you're a Brewers fan,that's kind of what you're
hoping for.
Like you're not playing yourbest baseball and the division
isn't running away from youbefore.
Like you're not playing yourbest baseball and the division
isn't running away from you, I'mgonna throw optimistic.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
I'm gonna throw a crazy hypothetical at you
because I got you on.
I'm gonna throw a crazyhypothetical because I saw a lot
of experts.
They're like, oh, the brewersshould trade freddie peralta and
you know hoskins is on thatoption year, this year.
So he's probably gonna be onthat job block in some way,
shape or form.
If the Brewers do look to trade.
The Red Sox are having an issueright now.

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Devers does not want to playfirst base.
The Red Sox need a firstbaseman.
Hoskins is hitting the ballpretty well.
I mean, I think Devers, what ishe?
He's got a pretty big dealright now.
So I don't know if the Brewerswould be able to even absorb
that contract.
What kind of contract is he onright now?
Goodness, it's got to be loadedup right.
313.
It's mill guaranteed.

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Holy crap, brewers probablycan't afford that.
But regardless, could you seeOkay, so we're not going to say
probably Devers, but could yousee the Brewers maybe striking a
deal with your Red Sox?
Maybe a Hoskins for prospectsout there from the Red Sox?

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
I mean, could you see a deal like for that for the
Red Sox?
Right now I could.
The only reason why I might saynot is because what's going to
happen over the next couple ofweeks?
The Red Sox are going tocontinue to talk to Devers to at
least get him to try to playfirst.
The same way he said he wasn'tcoming off a third.
He came off a third became theDH.

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I think for Devers it's, he'sfinally becoming comfortable
being a DH and now they'reasking him to go play first and
then let's say he goes to placefirst, they go get somebody and
then they move him off of there.
He just doesn't want to movearound anymore.
I get that.
I kind of think for first basethey're more willing to either
get some guy off the street Iknow people are talking about,

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like Anthony Rizzo, who's goingto probably give you nothing
with a bat, but at least he'llfeel the position and that's
what they want.
Or if they're going to strike adeal with the Brewers, I feel
like they would try to getPeralta, because the pitching
staff when you have Tanner Houck, who's completely looked

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horrible this season Bueller isdealing with an injury, you know
.
You have Crochet, who'spitching really well.
Baio is now is just coming backfrom an injury.
He's kind of up and down.
He's had a couple of goodstarts and then have a couple of
bad starts.
You have G Alito, who kind ofthe same thing.
First start looked really good.
Second one not so much.
Third one looked pretty good.

(01:19:57):
I think there's so manyquestion marks there that if
they were to contact the Brewers, it'd be.
Can we get Peralta from you?

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
I wouldn't hate it.
Okay, I wouldn't hate it.
I don't want to see Freddie go.
That's the thing I don't wantto see Freddie go.
But I think there does come apoint in this season where and I
just talked about before, Isaid this Brewers.

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It almost feels like lastseason for the Brew thing,
except for now they're losingnow.
Now they're finding ways tolose because you didn't make
moves in the offseason, right,zero marquette and asia wasn't
making moves.
He got jose cantana great likethat was a cheap deal.
Outside of that didn't donothing.
Poskins came back and that washis player option.
Outside of that, nothing doneby the brewers, except for trade
letting guys go or trading guysaway.
Right, you know devin williamsout the door and the devin

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williams trade.
Have you really won that?
I don't know.
You got caleb durbin.
He's a super utility.
I hope he's gonna be good.
And then you got nester cortezand well, he got lit up by the
yankees.
So that was fun.
But I mean, you did get a guy,and this is a guy you know a
little bit about.
Bobby Dahlbeck is currentlywith the Brewers.
Hasn't really stuck ever right.

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He hasn't really stuck with anyball club for long.
He's been bounced around.
He was a pretty good prospectat one point, but just hasn't
really transpired.
So, bobby, does he play thirdbase at all?
Does he have a little?
Yes, he can play both cornerpositions there you go.

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So I, I really would not hate,because he's got a little bit of
pop in that bat.
Maybe playing in a hitterfriendly ballpark like american
family field, that strikes him.
I, you never know.
I just you can't expect calebdurbin to play third base
consistently for you.
He doesn't have the arm, hedoesn't have that defensive
prowess and he can play secondbut he doesn't have that arm

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over there.
I just I think if you getterang, if you figure out his
shoulder, he can play shortstop.
Joey ortiz can go to the benchbecause that's where he needs to
go, or he needs to go down totriple a because right now I
love joey ortiz.
I I want to make that known topeople like I I don't hate the
guy, I just he stinks right now.
He absolutely stinks.

(01:22:12):
There is no if ands ways aboutit.
Right now joey ortiz is aboutas I I don't I don't even know
what the words are even say, buthe's batting 173.
I that stinks.
Yeah, you can't.
You can't have 173.
Your left side of the infieldright now, between caleb durbin
and him, caleb durbin's battinga whopping.
What two 194 and joy ortiz bat173.

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Your left side of the infieldsucks, as plain and simple they
suck.
Willie adames at least gave youbombs.
This ain't nothing.
This is terrible.
And then you add on top of thatchristian yelich batting 205,
and then you add on top of thatChristian Yelich batting 205,
and then you add on top of thatWilliam Kutras and his fractured
finger batting 224 for you.
And I mean you could just wecould go down the laundry list
of guys right now who arestruggling mightily and you put

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that all together and what doyou get?
Crap, that's all it is.
You get what you get.
Right now.
You get zero runs.
Quinn Priester everybody wantsto shoot on that guy and that
whole trade.
He pitched a gem against theGuardians.
Two runs.
They gave up two runs in totalin that entire game.
One of them was unearnedbecause that was the craptastic
play by Jackson Churrio out incenter field.

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Outside of that, quinn Priestergave up one run and you lost.
You lost that game.
Oh, you can say, oh well, theGuardians pitched well, sure,
but your entire offense outsideJackson Turio went two for four
and Terang had a hit.
Outside of that, it was an 0for day for the rest of them.

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You want to talk about how toget yourself out of a slump.
Christian Yelich, maybe don'tstrike out three times and try
to contribute to the ball clubhere, maybe, just maybe.
Jackson shurio doubled to leadoff an inning and it was boom,
boom, boom right down the line.
Out, out, out.
And here we are staring in theface of a 20 and 23 record.
Another loss to the guardians,another series loss.

(01:24:01):
Oh well, we can salvage gamethree of the series.
Great, great.
That makes me feel better.
That absolutely makes me feelbetter.
So a lot of brewer fans, askyle said, and kyle kind of made
me feel better.
There we're about a.
We're not even a quarter of theway through.
Right, the nl central Cubs notplaying great Cardinals are in

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second place.
That tells you how bad the NLCentral is right now.
The Reds are in third and theBrewers are in fourth.
They're four and a half gamesback.
They're not out of it by anymeans.
Now does it look pretty?
No, if it were up to me, wouldwe make some moves and trade
some guys away?
Yes, yeah, because as of rightnow and this is where I'm at I

(01:24:46):
feel like the Brewers arefarther away from being a
contender as they are from beinga pretender.
And as much as we love to playwith the term, let's take bites
at the apple, right, as manybites as the apple as we can.
I don't care anymore, I'm outon that.
If this is a transition year, ifthat's what this is meant to be
, let's make it.
Let's make it a transition year.
Let's trade some pieces.

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You know, not anything stupid.
Sal Frelick, stay.
Garrett Mitchell, stay.
Everybody like that, stay.
Let's test the talent.
Let's see what you got with theyoung guys.
Right?
If they can take you to this,then sure, that's fine, right?
You're not going to move on toRandall Woodruff.
Tobias Myers is going to stay.
You're going to keep all theyoung guys.
You're going to keep most ofthe bullpen arms.
But Reese Hoskins, I wouldexplore it.

(01:25:29):
I would explore moving on fromthese guys.
Why Build for the guys comingup?
Because you do have guys comingup through the minor league
system right now where you'reone to two years away from those
guys being at the big leaguelevel and you hope, fingers
crossed, they can be somethingfor you, those guys being at the
big league level and you hope,you know, fingers crossed, right
, they can be something for you.
So that's what we're waiting on.
So, in my personal opinion, Iwould, if somebody calls, if the

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Red Sox call and they say, hey,what do you want for Freddie?
I'm asking for a high price.
I'm asking for right now,before Memorial Day, I'm asking
for a haul for Freddie BecauseFreddie's pitched like an ace,
so I'm asking for a haul forfreddie because freddie's
pitched like an ace, so I'm I'masking for a haul if the red sox
are willing to give up a haulfor freddie, some top prospects
or whatever.
I'm sorry, freddie, I love you.
Bye-bye.

(01:26:11):
Reese hoskins.
If some team calls about reesehoskins, they say, hey, you want
this and this for him.
All right, see you later.
Like I think that's my mindsetright now.
I'm not, I don't want to giveup on the season.
I hate.
I hate being the guy, because I, I don't.
I don't give up on seasons andI'm not.
But I'm also like at this pointwhere do the brewers actually

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realistically have enough to beto beat the dodgers, to beat the
mets, to beat the phillies?
I don't think so.
I don't.
I don't think they have enough,I don't think their bullpen's
enough, I don't think theirpitching's been enough.
The pitching hasn't beenterrible.
The offense is the problem,pitching's not terrible, but I
just don't think the pitching'sgood enough to compensate for

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zero runs.
So what do you do with that atthis point?
So I mean, yeah, like Kyle said, and maybe it's an overreaction
Wednesday here, Maybe that'swhat it is.
Let's all just take a breath,right, relax, maybe it'll be all
right.
Maybe next week we're comingback, we're talking good things
with the Brewers, or maybe wecome back next week and well,

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we're talking about two serieslosses and I'm blowing up at
Kyle about this and that andeverything.
Who knows, we'll see, butHalston's waiting until Memorial
Day.
We'll wait until Memorial Day.
So, we got Kyle on already.
We're going to come back fromthe break here.
We got Bucs talk.
I want to talk some Bucs.
I want to talk some NBA.
We got all kinds of stuff toget into yet here tonight.
So make sure you're coming backhere on Wisconsin Sports on the
go with Trage.
Welcome back to WisconsinSports on the go with Trage.

(01:27:37):
I'm your host, trage, comingback on this Wednesday.
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So, as always, kyle comes on andKyle is always a part of the
Mellow Yellow Minute.
So if you're new to the show,haven't heard the show before.
We always have this segment.

(01:28:18):
We do trivia in honor of mygrandpa who passed away.
We always do trivia here on theshow and if you have your
favorite beverage, he's.
His was mellow yellow.
I got diet moan do.
I usually have a mellow yellow?
I'm out of mellow yellowtonight.
I'm sorry, but I got a dietmoan do here, so I'm gonna crack
it here.
I'm gonna crack it.
Make sure you're cracking yourfavorite beverage sports teams.
So, kyle, I gave him kind.

(01:28:39):
I didn't give him the teams, Igave him hints.
I said I got an nfl team onthere, I got a college team and
I got an mlb team.
Kyle, what do you got for me?

(01:28:59):
What is one of trage's favoriteteam outside of wisconsin?

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
I think I'm going to attack the MLB first.
Okay, I have two teams in mind,so I will tell you like I'm
thinking Royals or Athletics.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
I don't hate either one of those teams, but it is in
the Royals division, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Okay, okay.
So now you're looking at it,let's see Tigers, white Sox,
royals, guardians Twins.
It can't be the Twins Right.
So as soon as you said it wasin the division, I thought
Tigers, tigers.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Yep, I've just always had a thing for Tigers.
I don't hate the Tigers Likethe Tigers don't do anything to
me.
And I loved when it was theBash Bros with Miggy and Prince
Fielder, because I never hatedPrince Fielder, so that was
awesome.
So, yes, the Tigers are my MLBteam outside of Wisconsin.
What do you got for me?
You want NFL or college.
What do you got?

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
got let's go nfl, nfl .
Here we go.
So nfl, I'm gonna think.
Let me try to think of adivision.
I don't think it's gonna be inthe east go for the south, give
me the south yes, I was about tosay I don't think it's the west
, so I was thinking either northor the south.
So south I to say so we've gotJags, Texans, Titans.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Colts.
There's only one team in therethat anybody could realistically
like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
I mean, for me I'd probably say the Titans, not the
Titans.
So then my second choice isprobably the jacks.
No, no, no really, oh wait.
So then okay, I mean, I'massuming it's not the colts,
it's gotta be the texans houstontexans, jj watt came from
wisconsin, went down there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
I didn't like for the shortest time in my youth I
disliked the packers because myuncle disliked the packers
because of brett farb and theaaron rogers thing and
everything else.
And brett farb was they sayyeah.
So I ended up with jj watt likeon a plane going down to
houston and then I was a texansfan for a little while and I've
just always had a nice littlething for the texans backer fan,

(01:31:19):
but kind of a thing for thetexans now that I respect that
now I gave kyle a hint.
I said if you get the firstletter of one of these, you have
the first letter of the rest ofthem so kyle.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
It is an sec team so I'm thinking, and we'll be with
the tigers, I'm thinking, sec,auburn tigers, auburn Tigers.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
No, no, come on now.
Okay, new SEC, new SEC.
Okay, new SEC.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Oh Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Bam.
Yeah, I don't know why.
I've just Ever since I waslittle.
I just had a thing for Texas,texans, texas, I don't know,
it's just a, a weird thing, Idon't know they were effective.
I've always liked the helmets.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Yeah, see the helmets are cool.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
The Texans got a cool helmet too.
It's like it's just cool.
So I'm all in for it.
I'm all in for it Right now.
What's not cool, kyle?
What's not cool is all thesepeople around social media
telling me that Giannis is likeI'm willing to explore options
elsewhere.
I'm willing to explore optionselsewhere.
And it's like every time I goto quit trip in the morning and

(01:32:29):
I look at the soda section andI'm like I'm going to explore
another option today, and then Iget a diet moan do?
It's like I'm going to get thesame thing.
I'm just exploring options.
Of course he's like, yeah, ifthe Bucs trade me, because what
would you be if the Bucs diddecide to move you?
And then you're like, oh, I'llonly play if I play in Milwaukee
.
And then all of a sudden, theBucs are like, oh, we're going

(01:32:50):
to send you to LA.
Oh, okay, now I got to pretendlike I didn't just say that I
don't want to go to LA.
So of course you're alwaysexploring options.
You always want what's best foryou.
But, kyle, I gotta be honestwith you.
If I'm the bucks and this is a,uh, just my opinion, and people

(01:33:13):
can be hateful at it andeverything.
But if I'm the bucks, I'm like,call me, I'm not calling you,
I'm not calling nico down therein Dallas, I'm not calling any
of these guys, right?
But if Nico calls me and says,hey, I got the first overall
pick in this year's draft, howare you feeling?

(01:33:35):
And I mean you're like, okay,I'll listen, I'm not going to
make the move, but I'm going tolisten.
I'm going to see what you'vegot to offer.
If you give me seven years offirst round picks plus some
players, I mean that's, that's alot of talent, that's a lot of
talent.
So I got a question off this,but I want to get your take on
that first one.
I mean, are you?
You're listening to offers,right?

(01:33:56):
You're at least sitting thereon the phone.
You're like, yeah, I'll listento you, but in all reality
you're probably not making thismove, right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Yeah, I mean you're not doing your job if you're not
listening, and I agree with you.
Like Giannis saying he's opento options just means if the
Bucs came to him and said, look,we're going to move you here,
he'd be like he would thinkabout it.
Dallas has come out and saidthey're keeping the pick,

(01:34:28):
they're taking Cooper Flagg,then that's well within their
prerogative.
I think the team to watch ifthey were to get a, if they go
in the office tomorrow and theysee a San Antonio area code, I
think they entertain it BecauseSan Antonio has this number two
pick, obviously not a Cooperflag, but you could get yourself

(01:34:49):
a really good prospect atnumber two.
They have a lot of young pieces, you could probably get a
couple and they also have a lotof future picks.
So if you're going to move,giannis, you're telling Bucs
fans we're tearing it down.
If you're going to tear it down, tear it down the right way.
A lot of teams, when they getin trouble, they try to play

(01:35:10):
both sides of the fence.
You can't do that in the NBA.
You either need to be reallygood like top four in your
conference or you need to beoutside the playing, even though
Mavericks are a playing teamthat won the lottery, but that's
not necessarily how it normallygoes.
I think Giannis is puttingpressure on the front office to

(01:35:33):
do something.
And that's okay, yeah, andthat's for him delivering them a
title.
He should want them to want tobe back at that level and
they're going to have to decide.
Can they do that with Giannisor not?
If they can't call OklahomaCity, call San Antonio Teens,

(01:35:54):
with young players and a bunchof picks?

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Yep, no, I agree, and this is going to be my next
point, and this is where I'mgoing to say why would you trade
Giannis, right?
The Celtics are going to be inthis weird spot next year where
they're going to have to move onfrom some guys and they're kind
of going to not strip it downcompletely, but they're going to
strip it down right.
So who, realistically, is stillthere in the East?

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Right, the Cavs will probablystill have, you know cast of
characters the Pacers.
As we saw last night there, thePacers take down the Cavs.
So we see the Pacers.
How far are the Bucs off?
They put up one win against theCavs, right?
Or against the Pacers.
How far are they off?
Because they put up just asgood of a fight as Cavs did.
So how far are this Bucs teamoff?

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Reallyicks?
Right, the Knicks are going tobe fine.
They're going to have money tospend.
They're going to get guys,whatever the Cavs are going to
be around.
Celtics, bucs, 76ers, I mean thePistons, those teams are,
they're like there.
They're not true contenders,but they're there.
How far?

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I mean honestly, realistically,how far are the Bucs off?
They're not really that far off.
Are they far off of the top inthe NBA.
Yes, because you look at theWest and you're like, okay,
nuggets, okay C, you know yougot all these teams.
But the Eastern Conference,once the Celtics kind of got to
tear it down, you're going tohave this running lane where, if

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you add guys because we aboutyou're gonna have, you know,
sign and trade guys you're gonnahave both 30 mil to 40 mil
somewhere in there to spend onsign and trade guys.
So you're gonna have money tomove, move around.
I guess right, how far are youreal, realistically off?
I mean kyle, I mean at thispoint you're probably gonna be.
I I don't want to say they'regonna be even steven with the
celtics, but both having tostrip it down, both losing
players, both having you knowkind of the star power gone,

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they're going to be right therein that three to probably six
range of teams again where theysat this year, but with less
money on the books.
Look, brooke lopez is gone.
He's good.
I don't think they're going tobring him back and if they do,
it's going to be way less of acontract to deal with.
So if you do bring him back,whatever right you're going to
have, don't have to deal withtorian prince.
You maybe get sims back, youmaybe get track, but you're

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going to have less money on thebooks you're going to be able to
build for that future damehopefully comes back healthy and
if he comes back, I feel likehe's going to have that kind of
vengeance to him, right?
And then you got Giannis back.
Who's feeling it in that year?
You have another year of AJGreen and those guys.
Maybe you get Kevin Porter back, but I like where this team is
at, where they're third to fifthto sixth.
Again, they're not.

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Why tear it down when you'retechnically still there?
Right, because I feel like oncethe Giannis days are over, it's
over.
It's like start over, ground up, baby, let's rebuild.
Right?
So, as of right now, why notmaximize the years as much as
not not go overboard?
Right, because you try that.
You fail.
But you went into an off seasonlike this once before, before

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the 2020 season, and you endedup walking away with the
championship.
Maybe you could pull off somecrazy stuff like that.
I'm not saying it's gonnahappen like that again, but
maybe you pull off some crazystuff like that.
I mean, we've seen crazierstuff happen.
So, kyle, I mean, where are youat right now?
Because I'm looking at this,I'm like they're.
They're there with the three tosix right now in the east, just

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because the rest of these teamshave to throw it down too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Yeah, and, like you said, that's where the Bucs are
in a weird spot where they kindof can play this one of two ways
.
They could convince themselvesthat they brought back most of
this year's team.
With a couple of tweaks here orthere, they could be better off
.
With a couple of tweaks here orthere they could be better off.
They could also look at it ashow close were we really this

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year?
Maybe we've been foolingourselves and we're actually
further away than we thoughtBecause, like you said, the
Knicks seem like they will bekind of in the conversation.
I still have some questionsabout the Knicks, whether or not
they can actually win a title.
I think the Knicks are kind ofin a weird spot too.
Still have some questions aboutthe Knicks, whether or not they
can actually win a title.
I think the Knicks are kind ofin a weird spot too.
I know you mentioned the Cavs.
I think the Cavs have seriousquestions to ask themselves.

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I don't think Donovan Mitchellcan be your number one and win a
title, but unfortunately theCavs have kind of gone down the
road with him that they'reprobably just going to run back
the same team.
They'll have a really goodregular season and they'll
probably run into the sameproblems in the playoffs that
they have this year.
Yep, the celtics will.

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They'll change what they looklike.
They're not tearing it downbecause because the second apron
, they can get out of that justby moving Drew Holiday.
I think if they do more thanthat, it'll probably be
Porzingis along with him.
But I think the core of thatteam well, tatum obviously is

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going to miss next season withthe injury.
Brown, like Derek White, peyton, pritchard guys like that will
be around.
Horford you have to see if heretires or not.
Pritchard guys like that willbe around.
Horford, you have to see if heretires or not.
But I think, with Brad Stevensand his ability to roster build,
if they lost all three of themHoliday, porzingis and Horford

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you feel like they'll make waywith it.
They have Bailey Shireman whothey'll open up minutes for.
I like him.
But, yeah, after that you'relike, do you trust in the
pistons taking a leap next year?
Do you trust, uh, this beingmore than a fluke for the pacers
?
I mean, it would beback-to-back seasons of them
possibly being in the east ofconference finals.

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So, yeah, you kind of have tokind of put them in that group
of teams.
The bucks have to monitor forwhere they are.
Once you get past that, it it'slike the heat the heat are
going to fall off.
The Hawks still don't scare you, the Raptors aren't ready.
So the Bucs should be a top sixteam, no matter what they do

(01:41:56):
next season.
Yep it's.
Can they make that one move totake them from six to maybe four
?

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
That's what they're looking at uh, I, I take drew
holiday back.
That'd be fun.
Get the band back together.
I don't know, that'd be fun,that'd be fun to see.
Could you pair a guy like drewholiday with damian?
Oh, maybe, maybe have thatdouble guard tandem in the
backcourt.
I wouldn't hate that.
It'd be like be like a Dame anda CJ McCollum, except for not

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as good of a shooter as CJMcCollum was, more of a defender
, he could compensate for Dame'slack of defense.
There you go, maybe, just maybe, I don't know.
I don't know, just speculate.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
It didn't work in Portland.
I have this thing about smallerguards, how they really work
once you get into postseason,Although you're not asking
Holliday to be a scorer.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
Plus that guy can guard just about anybody, Right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
That's where he does work.
He's one of those guards whocould guard somebody in the post
and you don't need a doubleteam because he's strong enough
to do that.
So that's a little bitdifferent.
Mccollum wasn't that, and theyneeded lewis and mccollum to be
their two best players.
You're not asking holiday to beone of your best players, you
just needed to fill a role.
I think, if holiday isavailable, milwaukee should try

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to figure out a way to get him.
I don't know what they wouldoffer, but I don't know if
there's bad blood there.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
I don't know.
It would be a question for Drew.
I guess It'd be a question forhim is, if there's bad blood, I
don't know.
I wouldn't want to go play forDoc right now and Giannis loves
Doc.
So I feel like we're going tobe stuck with Doc again because
Giannis won't get rid of Giannisat the same time.
So until that happens, it'sjust going to be more of the

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same from what we've seen.
So unless if we just completely, if horse just loads up the box
like the Celtics were when hetook them to the finals, then
like we'd be fine, right, thatwasn't that.
Like Paul Pierce, ray Allen,garnett, I mean Rondo, like who

(01:44:05):
couldn't have won a championshipwith that.
I mean we, using me, could havewalked out there and coached
that team to a championship.
So, anyways, we got a littlebit more to wrap us up here.
We're gonna quiz kyle as theplayoffs.
We're gonna talk a little morenba playoffs when we come back
here.
So we got a quick commercialbreak.
We're gonna come back.
We're gonna wrap up the showfor the day.
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(01:45:08):
Nba playoffs reactions.
What are we seeing so far?
Who do we like?
Do you think the Celtics canforce game six?
Do you think so?
Or do you think, now thatTatum's out, this is kind of the
Knicks to walk away with?
They will find a way to win itultimately, what do you got?

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
for me, the Celtics will have to ride the emotions
game five to win that one.
Knicks will have to close it insix.
If it goes to seven, theCeltics will win that series.
I truly believe, even minusTatum.
The Pacers have exposed the Cavsfor a great regular season.
But you saw the flaws in theirteam.

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Jared Allen is a matchupnightmare when you're dealing
with Miles Turner and top endguys who live on the perimeter.
Dominic Mitchell, as I spokeabout a little earlier, he can't
be your best player if you wantto win in the playoffs because
defensivelyly he struggles onthat end of the floor.
So if he's not scoring like 30,40 on offense for you, he's

(01:46:09):
almost a negative out there.
So I think the Cavs will havesome reshaping that they'll have
to do their roster.
I think the paces are proven toa lot of people that they might
be better than we all thoughtand it's okay to accept that.
Out out west I feel like you'regetting almost a change of the
guard moment where the youngguys, like the wolves with

(01:46:30):
anthony edwards, are pullingthrough uh shea and the young
guys in oklahoma city probablypull through uh denver, for, for
all the excitement they hadwinning the title a couple of
years ago.
They almost seem like old newsbecause they've let too many
guys go from that rotation andthey're depleted at this point.

(01:46:50):
Joker has to be Superman everynight for them to win the
Warriors.
I feel like this is kind of thelast stand for them.
It's unfortunate that StephCurry got hurt, but Steph Curry
was carrying so much of theoffensive load because Draymond
Green is not an offensive player.
This was the worry when theygot Jimmy Butler.

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Jimmy Butler is like when hewants to he can give you
something offensively, but likethe game they just had, he
pretty much kind of quit on thatgame.
He only took nine shots withSteph Curry being out.
That's a problem and if theWarriors don't make it to the
finals, they have real questionsto ask about their team and you

(01:47:34):
got to wonder how much longerdo you do the Curry-Draymond?
I guess you have to throwButler into that at this point.
What's really going to changewith that next season?
Unless curry's healthy and Ithink we're at a point where we
might I keep leaning towards thewolves might come out of the
west.
It seems like that kind of yearin the nba and I actually think

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the pacers might come out ofthe east.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
the wolves just don't seem like they're that good, so
it kind of it hurts to see thatthat might be the team to come
out of there, but I would agreethe Warriors.
I always think of the JamesWeissman pick and that was their
downfall.
Right when they picked JamesWeissman.
It went downhill from therebecause they were like this is
our big guy, he can do it all.
And then it was nope, he can'tdo it all.

(01:48:20):
So I mean it's exciting, butwe'll see what happens here.
We were hoping the Pacers wouldlose.
They didn't.
So I mean, yeah, whatever here.
So Brewers they got the Twinsthis weekend.
Hopefully we're talking about aseries win against the Twins
coming back here next week.
So the Brewers that'll be firstpitch coming up on Friday.
There will be 7-10.
They got an off day coming uptomorrow after this Guardian

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series.
So I mean, brewer fans, let'stake a breath, it's going to be
okay.
Packer fans we're excited forthe season here.
Buck fans we're just waitingfor Giannis to stop shopping
elsewhere and start to build histeam up here.
So that's where we're kind ofat right now here.
So, thank you to Kyle, as always, for coming on here.
You can find him shopping atthe bit across all social media
platforms.
Check out his podcast.
They're always great stuff.
So with that, well, that'sabout all we got.

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That's about all we got fortonight.
So I hope you guys enjoy therest of your night, the rest of
your week.
We'll catch you guys back hereWednesday, but until then, see
you.