The Summer of Sal: Brewers, Bucks, and Packers Draft Talk

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Trage On this Wednesday, April30th.
Oh, my goodness gracious, it isApril 30th.
It is almost, I mean the monthof May, I think right, May comes
after April.
It is just, days are a blur.
I told you guys, newborn baby,everything like that.
Days are a blur.
It has just been madness.

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But hey, he's doing fantastic,so we're doing fantastic.
That's all that matters.
That is all that absolutelymatters there.
I hope everybody had a fantasticweekend and fantastic week up
until this point here on thisWednesday.
I'm doing great.
I hope you guys are doing great, wherever you're at tonight.
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So we got lots to get intotonight, Goodness, Lots to get
into the Bucs.
Well, yeah, that was sad.
That was sad to watch.
That was absolutely sad towatch.

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I came five.
Absolutely was depressing.
Probably I'm not going to sayit was probably it was.
I don't know if it cracked mytop five for most depressing
Wisconsin sports losses of alltime, but it's up there.
It's definitely up there Likethat was.
That was downright Six pointlead.
Maybe you don't even win gamesix, but still To go out like

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that, that absolutely stunk.
Wow, Just goodness.
So Bucks lose.
Packers draft.
I love the draft.
It was a great.
Watching it awesome.
Seeing it at Lambeau fantastic.
I thought it was a great draft.
We're going to talk about thattoday.

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Ummer's going to be on.
We're going to talk draft.
We're going to talk everythingin between with Packers Day.
It's going to be awesome.
Kyle's going to come on later.
We're going to talk Bucks.
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We're going to talk Brewers.
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I always start out every singleweek with what was grinding my
gears coming off the weekend,what was grinding my gears, what
was grinding Trajan's gears soI had a couple of them today.

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I don't know if I'm going toget to them all, so maybe I'll
get to one next week.
Here Watching, I was watching,watching the, and that's just
one example.
I know kyle's gonna be on later.
He's gonna be like dude, comeon now.
Come on now.
He's big celtics guy watchingguys complain to the officials
in nba games.
You want to talk about steeringpeople away from games.

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That's one big way.
I'm watching the celtics playthe and I cannot.
I don't know if there was aminute in the game where Jason
Tatum was not talking to anofficial Whole game yelling,
screaming, and it's just.
I just got to the point whereI'm like I get it, they're
playing aggressive, they'regetting after you, you're sick
of playing them, everything likethat.

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I get that, but after a while,if I'm an official, I just tee
them up.
After a while, if I'm anofficial, I just team up.
I'm like done, don go sit down.
It.
Just it drives me nuts,absolutely drives me nuts to
watch that.
Just I don't want to say it'slike a.
I don't want to say it's acupcake league or anything like
that.
But there's a lot of crap callsalready, dude, I mean every like

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.
I don't know who needs to hearthis, but traveling I watched
the other night there, I thinkit was, was it?
When miles turn, turner was inthe lane and Gary Trent was
guarding him.
I can't remember, but he's likecounting off and he's one, two,
three, four, five.
He gets all the way to five orsix.
No call.
What happened to thethree-second call?
Is that a thing anymore?
Is traveling a thing?

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Continuation is a thing.
Now, right, you can move fivesteps after a foul, throw a shot
up and get a foul call.
These stupid three-point.
I hate when guys bait calls atthree-point line.
They just lean into a guy andshoot it and they get a foul
call out of it.
It's just all ridiculous.

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I don't.
If I'm an official, I'm likewhat do you guys want from me?
I recall things that I don'tbelieve in, because I grew up
watching basketball.
I don't know what this is, butit's not basketball, so I don't
know, just drives me nuts,absolutely drives me nuts with
the NBA there.
So I mean, yeah, the NBA isfine, whatever, but like, wow, I
just, I just just drives menuts there.
One more thing, and this isgoing to kind of lead into what

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we're going to talk about heretoday People who come out of the
draft and all they say is thatwas a waste of a pick, that was
a waste of a pick, that was awaste of a pick, and they just
scream it at the mountaintops.
They're posting all overFacebook and they're posting all
that was a waste of a pick,that was a waste of a pick.
That's all they got to say.
That was a waste of a pick.
They don't give you a reason.
They just say that was a wasteof a pick Because, oh, according

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to Mel Kiper it was a reach.
Well, according to Mel Kiper,every pick ahead of Shador
Sanders was a reach.
So yeah, there's your hot topicguy.
I just there's so many peopleout there who immediately that
was a waste of a pick.
Jordan Love, that was a waste ofa pick.

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He's doing just fine.
He's just fine.
I can't handle those people.
Sometimes I just want to reachthrough the computer and just
shake them a little bit, justsettle down.
It's fine, it was a draft pick.
We'll wait and see.
Who knows right.

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It was all because of Beltonthere in that second round.
He's a 6'6", 366-pound tackle.
I think the Packers they'regoing to find a way to utilize
that size.
I think they'll find a way.
So I mean we'll wait and see.
We'll wait and see.
Maybe all you people out therewere saying that everybody's a

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waste of a pick.
Maybe you'll be right.
Maybe you'll be right and youcan gloat about it, and then you
can post a screenshot from fiveyears ago and say I was right.
Or somebody else can take ascreenshot of it and post it
five years later and say youwere wrong One way or another,
it's all going to come back tobite you.
So, anyways, that's what'sgrinding my gears for the
weekend People freaking outabout the draft right after it

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happens, and also NBA playersfreaking out at officials Both
those things grinding my gearsfor the weekend.
Hey, we are off and runningtoday here.
We got Packer Talk coming upafter the break.
Here.
We got a little bit of.
I got WIA talk, just because Iwant to talk about that a little
bit, but then we got PackerTalk here coming up after the
break.
And then we got Uber coming on,we got Kyle coming on later.
We got Brewer Talk, we gotBucks, we got Packers.

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We got all kinds of things totalk about.
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So we went off right up the topof the show.
We're talking about what'sgrinding my gears coming up the

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weekend and I wanted to get intonow.
The wiaAA has now passed theNIL deal and I saw this over
this last weekend.
They voted for it and theyapproved the NIL deal for

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student athletes.
I don't know how to feel rightand I asked everybody out there.
I was like, how do you guysfeel Right?
And the resounding amount ofyou people out there you great
people said this is terrible.
This is stupid.
Why are we doing something likethis?

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Why do they need something likethis?
And I agree I agree, I didn'tagree with the nil in college.
I I thought that they should getit for their name, image and
likeness.
They opened up a different canof worms with that.
Now the nil is, it's a littlebit different.
So the approved languagepermits nil activities that are

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not associated or identifiedwith their respective school,
team, school conference or theWIA and are in accordance or
with other prohibited NILactivities, included language
attempting to deter undueinfluence to transfer schools.
So you know you read into thathow you want to read it.
I'm not going to read into itthat far, but basically stating

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that you can't really have this,it's not really affiliated with
your school at all, you can getmoney is basically what it's
saying, but it's not affiliatedwith school at all.
I mean, we got to look at whatExecutive Director Stephanie
Hauser said.
With today's vote, memberschools have opted to join in a
growing list of states thatallow students to athletes to

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capitalize on their athletictalents in a way that is similar
to students with other valuedtalents and skills.
At its core, the WI is chargedwith promoting fairness and
sportsmanship while protectingthe integrity of the game,
something I believe the NILlanguage preserves.
I don't know, I I've tried towrap my head around how I feel

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about it.
I and when.
I'm all for student athletescapitalizing on their name,
image, likeness right, I'm allfor that.
If somebody is going to utilizeyou to make money, why wouldn't
you want to make money?
Right, I'm all in for that.
Where I'm going to draw a lineis if kids start transferring

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high school to high school justfor NIL opportunity and I know
they're saying, well, it's notin schools and they're not.
You know, you don't includinglanguage attempting to deter the
influence to transfer schools.
Oh, they're going to deter it.
I think it's going to happenbecause you're going to look at
a geographic map and you'regoing to say where are the most
NIL opportunities available.

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Right, the La Crosse area, theEau Claire area, wausau area
Maybe you look over in, like theOshkosh or the Madison or the
Milwaukee areas, those are goingto be your big areas.
What does an area likeNealsville, wisconsin, offer
anybody?
I mean, it might, right, itmight, but in all reality I
think you're going to see a lotof guys moving around or a lot

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of girls moving around to tryand capitalize on their name,
image and likeness, which,according to WIA, is fine.
Capitalize on their name, imageand likeness, which, according
to WIA, is fine.
I just think that giving moneyto kids, it depends how you word
it, right, but there's gotta be, there's gotta be.
You know I, kids get silly,kids get silly with money.

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It just makes you nervous whenyou give them a stack of money
and just say go run with it.
Is it going to be a good thing?
I don't think so.
I don't think it's going to bea good thing.
Is it going to be a bad thing?
I don't know.
Do I agree with it?
No, but we'll wait and see.
We'll wait and see.
All I know is, right now, theWI has agreed on it.
We got to wait to see how thatall kind of works out and when

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the first person whoever kid agirl, boy, whatever gets their
first NIL deal, then we'll knowmore about this and how it all
works.
Until then, I who knows right,is there any athlete in the
state of Wisconsin that'srealistically that darn good
that they're going to get amassive deal?
I don't think so.
Zach Kinzer from the pier waspretty darn good.

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They had a guy from Oshkosh waspretty darn good.
There's been some good players.
Like don't get me wrong,there's been some good.
I mean, tyler Harrell was inthe NBA.
Now it's Miami heat.
He's fantastic, but I justdon't see anybody right now
where it's like this guy now.

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So wait and see how this allworks out and I'm interested to
see, uh, what everything worksout.
If you have what you guys thinkof the uh, of the nil in wia
now, I'd love to hear what yourthoughts are.
Make sure you text it to me.
Text it to me, 715-990-4914.
That is 715-990-4914.
I'd love to hear your thoughtson the wia approving of the nil
deals there.
So I want to talk a littlePackers here after the break.
Here we're going to talkPackers with Umar here.
He's going to be coming by.
We're going to talk about thedraft a little bit more.
I want to talk about Packershere real quick.

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Before he gets in, the Packerswe talked about Jair Alexander.
It seems like we talk aboutJair Alexander every other week,
right, and an interestingdevelopment has come up.
The Packers are the Packers andJair are working in kind of

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hand in hand right now, tryingto find a way to keep it
together.
Right now.
You look at Brian Goodkins hadto say no updates.
He is on a roster right now andthat's how we'll proceed, but
we'll figure it out as we goalong.
Right, I'm looking at this andI'm saying, okay, if you're

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Brian Goodkins and you walk inthat room and you're looking in
Jair Alexander's eyes and you'resaying, hey, dude, and you're
looking in Jair Alexander's eyesand you're saying, hey, dude,
if you can come in and you cangive me a contract that's based
on play, I'd keep you around.
You play eight games.
I give you this.
You play nine games.

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I give you this.
You play 12, I give you this.
You get five interceptions.
I give you this.
You have 20-some tackles.
Whatever, I give you thisIncentive-based contract.
Make him earn it.
Don't take all of his moneyaway.
He's got a lot of money on thatcontract.
Don't take it all away.
Say we'll structure it.
You do this for us, we give youthis.

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I feel like that's fair.
If you're Jair and you reallywant to come back to Green Bay,
I'm at the point where it stinksthat they don't have an answer
with this, especially becausethe draft just came and went and

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you know you grabbed some guys,but it didn't really grab the
guy.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
But where I'm at right now.

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I wouldn't hate it.
If you can work out some kindof deal with him, an
incentive-based deal, I wouldn'thate it.
I would not hate that deal atall.
Or even a lesser of a deal Withsome bonuses, maybe I wouldn't
hate that.
I'd firmly I'd bring him backBecause if he can stay healthy,

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that defense just got way better, way better.
So we'll see.
We'll kind of see what BrianGutekinds and Jair and the
Packers are able to figure outthere.
It sounds like his teammateswant him back.
It's just Brian Gutekinds, mattLaFleur those guys they are
unsure at this point and it'sbeen frustration.
You know there's been a lot ofhead case moments.

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There's been a lot of injuriesthat have just led to where we
are right now.
So we'll kind of wait and seewhat they come up with.
Jair there the Packers did signan interesting one.
I want to talk about this.
I know the draft is the bigthing coming off of this last
weekend and Umar and I are goingto talk draft.
I'm going to talk draft here ina second.
But the Packers did sign aninteresting character here.

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Isaiah simmons is on his way togreen bay.
The former first round pickthere is on his way linebacker.
He's an interesting fell 6-4,238.
He's got some I I believe someability to play like a hybrid
safety linebacker in between orkind of guy out of clemson

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number eighth pick in the 2020draft there to arizona.
He's bounced around a littlebit here the last couple.
Uh, first three seasons heplayed with the cardinals there.
His second season, 2021, he had105 total tackles.
He had 70 tackles, 70 solotackles and 35 assists.
On that season he also had aone and a half sacks there.
He was great for the cardinalsthere.

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And then that next season hewas great too.
And then he went to the giants,kind of fell off a little bit
with the giants there.
It's just never reallymaterialized with them there,
maybe coming to green bay, maybeplaying with a guy like rashaan
gary and some of these otherguys in the defense Edgerin
Cooper Maybe that helps him out.
So we'll wait and see.
I think this.
I like this signing.
I really do.
I like this signing of IsaiahSimmons.

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I remember him at Clemson.
He was fantastic for the Tigersand maybe Jeff Affleck can find
a way to utilize his talent,his speed and his talent there
coming off the edge and stufflike that I, I am excited.
I'm excited for a guy likeisaiah simmons.
So I think this is a aninteresting and exciting signing
in my opinion.
Uh, looking at the draft, so Iwant to look at the draft a

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little bit here.
We're gonna talk draft here onthe back side of this break here
, uh, with ummer, but coming offthe draft, I mean my reaction,
coming off the draft, I liked it, not just the draft in general.
Right, I thought the draft,they blew away expectations of
attendance.
Everything was great.
It all looked like a blast downthere, uh, over there in green

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bay.
It was great.
It was looked like it wasfantastic.
And from whatever I've seen, youknow, outside of mike greenberg
, who said something aboutalmond milk, and I just uh, I
mean mike golic was always thebetter than mike and mike.
Right, that's all I need toknow.
Mike golic was always the bestone of those two on mike and
mike.
Outside of that, it seemed likeeverybody outside of mel kuyper
enjoyed the time.
Right, and I'm gonna talk to alittle bit I would talk to kyle

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later on this show about melkuyper because I know he's got
his own feelings on mel therebut I mean, mel kuyper is
probably the one of the guys whodidn't enjoy the draft because
he was wrong.
He was wrong.
Shador Sanders didn't getdrafted in the top, so he was
wrong.
Oh my goodness, how could MelKiper have possibly been wrong
about a draft pick?
It's unreal how Mel Kiper isn'tworking with the Kansas City

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Chiefs as their scout I can'tbelieve it.
Mel Kiper's working at ESPNit's unreal.
He drives me nuts.
He absolutely drives me nuts.
He's like Nick Wright, stephenA Smith, skip Bayless all of
them put together Mel Kiper on100%.
But I mean, coming off thedraft, everything was great.
With the lead up to it, clayMatthews comes out and he says
the Bears still suck.

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That absolutely made me laugh.
I was.
He came out and he said I gothis note for the president and I
was like oh yeah, oh boy, ohboy, here we go.
And then he said the Bearsstill suck and I was like I just
started dying laughing.
That's hilarious.
That was absolutely hilariousthere.
But the draft in total,everybody that Green Bay got, I
didn't really have a problemwith it.
I mean they took I was excited23rd pick.

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That was awesome.
And then the second round yougo off as a tackle.
The third round there surprisedme a little bit with the wide
receiver.
They're from TCU, sabianWilliams.
We'll talk about that here in alittle bit.
But outside of that I mean myreaction in total I love the
draft for the Packers.
I think they got better in thepositions they want to get
better in.
Packers are a team.
Maybe they have too much faithin what they already have in the

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room.
I think that's kind of in a lotof people's eyes.
I think that's kind of wherethey're at with Green Bay
Packers.
I think they believe that GregGutekinds has way too much faith
in what he has, lucas Van Nessand the boys on that defensive
line.
Because they didn't reallyaddress the defensive line.
They got an edge rusher thereand I love an edge rusher there
and I love the edge rusher baronsorrell from texas, I
absolutely love that pick in thefourth round and he was there

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and it was just awesome.
I mean that guy, that guy's ahumble dude, he is just, I mean
just awesome.
I I love that.
They got him, uh, in thatfourth round.
But they didn't really addressthe defense until that fourth
round and then they went defense, defense, defense, defense
across the board and then theywent defense, defense, defense,
defense across the board andthen they went and got a guard
there in the seventh round butthey didn't really address the

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offensive or the defensive lineuntil late.
And then they went and got theD-tackle, brinson from Georgia
with that sixth round pick there.
They grabbed Warren Brinson andthen in the undrafted portion
of the draft anybody who getsdrafted you still end up getting
picked up there.
They got Nazir stackhouse fromgeorgia, the other defensive

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tackle.
So they just grabbed bothdefensive tackles from georgia
and said, bam, there you go.
They already got davante wide.
They got coy walker so I gotgeorgia's defense coming in the
room here.
But I love both them.
Guys right run stoppers up themiddle.
I thought those were two greatpicks.
Coming off my reaction to it Iwas good with it.
I was good.
I didn't hate the picks.
I loved Matthew Golden out ofTexas.
There he's a big game receiver.

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I love that.
I liked the offensive tacklepick in the second round, savion
Williams I didn't know how tofeel about that one, but I loved
the Barrett saw.
I thought, all in all, goodyMatt LaFoy.
Those guys, they had a greatdraft.
I thought this was a greatdraft for the Green Bay Packers
there.
They've been picking up a lotof interesting guys in that
undrafted portion there and Iwant to talk about them guys

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next time here on the show.
I don't think we're going toget to it today.
I think we'll get in there oncewe get into more of the camp
talk with Green Bay Packers.
There's some interesting stuffthere from Green Bay.
Did they answer the question?
So these are just a couple ofquestions I had across social
media that people were asking Dowe feel like Packers answered

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our questions that we had goinginto the draft?
I want you guys to answer thatone for me.
Text me at 715-990-4914.
That is 715-990-4914.
Let me know what you think.
Did the Packers answer yourquestions going into the draft,

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how they felt, how you feltabout the Packers?
Did they answer your question?
Marks for this team Getting anumber one wide receiver, adding
to the defensive line, addingan edge rusher?
Did they answer your questionsor are you still left with?
What are we going to do here?
Who's going to fit this role?
Who's going to fill this spot?
Did they leave you any of thosekind of questions?
Let me know what you think.
715-990-4914.

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I'd love to hear what you think, because for me I think they
answered some questions.
Matthew, golden and xavier andwilliams answer my question the
wide receiver core.
I think they felt like they didnot have enough in that room
and they got their playmakers,so I think they answered that
question.
I think they answered thequestion of depth.
At the offensive line, theywant to keep jordan love upright
, they want to keep josh jacobsmoving they answer that question

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with belton there in the secondline uh, second round and then
also adding john williamsthey're late in the second round
and then also adding JohnWilliams there late in the draft
and bringing in Aaron Banks infree agency.
I think they answered thosequestions.
I think a question they didn'tanswer for me was the defensive
line, because they didn't answerthat until late in the draft
and if you're expecting theseguys to dig that in the leap, I
don't know.
That would be the part whereI'm like okay, that was my
question mark and I didn't havethat one answered.

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So does Brian Gutekunst havemore faith in the guys in the
room than we do, or that I do atleast.
So I'd love to hear what youguys think.
Let me know what you guys thinkthere.
715-990-4914.
That is 715-990-4914 there.
Hey, we'll be back here.
The backside is break Omar'sgoing to jump in with us.
We're going to talk morePackers.
We're going to talk morePackers draft.

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I want to get complete what wewere thinking about this NFL
draft and what Ummer had tothink of the draft class there.
So we'll be right back here onWisconsin Sports on the Go with
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(25:33):
Umber, how we doing.
It's wednesday, we're back.
The draft happened.
How we doing after the drafthere man, I'm feeling a lot
better.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
I'm not gonna lie like my, my, uh, my draft
crushes jayden higgins andjaylen noel and of course, uh,
miko buka.
All eckabooka got taken.
But, and of course you know,derrick harman got picked right
before us.
But I think the way the Packersrounded out the draft, they
definitely picked some playerswhere you knew they were going
to go receiver, I knew they weregoing to go receiver.

(26:01):
And getting Golden, who was aconsensus top 15 pick at 23, I
thought was really good as well,as you know.
I think the Anthony Becton pickwas where people might think
it's a reach.
But, based on everything that'sbeen said, is that from the time
he declared to when he gotdrafted, he's been just

(26:21):
impressing every single step ofthe way Senior bowl combine, all
his workouts, all hisinterviews.
So he may have been a little bitof a reach but because of the
fact that a lot of the marqueetackles and cards were being
taken rounds one and two, theyyou know it might have been
worth grabbing then and waitingto see if he'd last longer.
And then Savion you know SavionWilliams was a guy that I

(26:42):
wasn't really impressed becauseof his hands.
I knew he had, like not thegreatest hands, but he's like
that player who I feel like ifHardman doesn't work out,
doesn't make the team.
He could be the guy that doeseverything Hardman can do where
he can punt return, he can kickreturn, he can do wildcat, which
we did do with Jacobs a coupletimes.
He could also be our sweep guythat we keep running Jaden Reed

(27:02):
with.
Basically he could do all thegadget stuff to include all the
special team stuff and seeinghis highlight reel, it literally
looks like he's playing maddenout there like you're not to
diminish anything of reggie bush, but he has a lot of like.
He's not as fast as reggie buthe has a lot of tape that looks

(27:22):
a lot like reggie bush comingout of usc yeah of course you
got that out of the draft too,but we could talk more about
that as well, too yeah, I meanhe was getting on save down
williams there.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
He was fantastic this last season 60 passes and I
think he forced like 18 missedtackles is what I had down in my
notes there.
He was unreal there and thencarried the ball 51 times and
had forced 22 missed tacklescarrying the football.
So I mean he was dynamic allthe way around for TCU this last
season there.
But let's get to thatfirst-round draft pick.
I talked a little bit about thedraft coming into, uh, this

(27:51):
segment with you here.
But matthew golden I mean we Iwas watching the live stream
over there in coast to coastpackers.
You guys gotta make sure youcheck that out there, uh with
ummer over there.
But I was watching and youweren't real keen on him right
away you were like, why this,why this?
and I gotta say, and I know youkind of changed your perspective

(28:12):
on it but I for me, I I lovethat pick.
Simple reason rubs runs thatsub 4.3, 40 yard dash, that's
great.
I mean just speed after speed,right.
But big game guy in a bigmoment against in that, uh,
against arizona state, in thatcollege world playoff, big
touchdown there in overtime on afourth down play to set up

(28:34):
Texas.
I mean it was do or die Rightthen and there Made the catch
and that's huge.
Because what did the Packershave a problem with this last
season?
Dropped passes, right, and Ibelieve I was looking at the
numbers from this last season.
He dropped three passes intotal.
Three passes in total, that'simpressive, that is some
impressive numbers.
Three passes in total yeah,three passes in total.

(28:56):
That's impressive, that is someimpressive numbers.
Big game guy doesn't drop a lotof passes exactly what the
Packers need.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Am I wrong?
Am I right?
What are your thoughts on thatnumber one pick there in Matthew
Golden?
No, I think you're 100% right.
I think the thing that I wasreading on some of the people
that are posting things was thathis track speed because he's a
former track athlete, so histrack speed didn't translate on
tape he actually admitted it.
He says, yeah, I've never beenable to really fully open up in
games because problem is, if Ido, normally I'm out running the

(29:21):
ball, I'm out running the play.
So you could say there might bean indictment on quinn evers
not being able to get him theball deep.
If he's running up, you knowhis full speed.
Now I don't think jordan loveis going to have that problem.
Jordan Love has a real live arm, probably one of the strongest
arms.
Obviously, no one has an armlike Rodgers had, but let's say
that it's pretty up there, right.
And I think for a guy that was5'11", 190 pounds, he was the

(29:46):
number one receiver at Texas Inthe Arizona game.
I believe he actually took overthat game because they were
down and they didn't have a lotof guys.
That arizona game.
I believe he actually took overthat game because they were
down and they didn't have a lotof guys.
So he actually was the.
He had a.
He took like a wr1 kind of likeperspective on the way he took
over the game and if he saw theway he came into the draft room,
the way he kind of announcedhimself to the, to the city of

(30:07):
green bay, because green bay washosting the draft this past
weekend he just had wr1 vibesand honestly, like I feel right
now on our team we do have a lotof guys that could be a wide
receiver one, but no one'sreally stepped up and actually
taking that and you're right,three drop passes all season in
a passing offense.

(30:27):
One of the biggest things thatwe were really struggling with
was drop passes and we needsomething that's not just going
to be our wide receiver one butan alpha dog.
And there is something abouthim, the way he plays the game,
and if you listen to some of thecornerbacks that have guarded
him, they've had nothing butgreat things to say about him.
Maxwell Harrison said that heactually ate his lunch all the

(30:48):
way through and I'm just reallyimpressed to see that we were
able to get a guy who I feltlike was going to go to the
cowboys or was going to go,probably to.
Maybe I was with the dallas andI was thinking maybe top 10 to
like maybe I thought carolinawas gonna take him to st
mcmillan.
So again, a top 14, top 15player who dropped to 23, sign

(31:10):
me up and you're right.
Like I think I was getting fedinto some of the warren, sharp
and other people that are like,oh, guys that run this speed
don't always like translate inthe nfl and I feel like maybe
that does for some people, butthe way our offense is set up,
we need somebody that can beatman.
We need someone that can takethe top off the defense.
Christian watson is that guy,but he's not gonna be back until
probably thanksgiving, so wedon't really have anybody on the

(31:32):
team that runs that kind ofspeed and yeah, I can't wait to
see what he's going to do inMatt LaFleur's offense.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
You know, and the big thing for me is he's not just a
speed threat too right, he'sgot acrobatic skills, he's got
the ability to high point afootball.
He's got all those attributesthat you look for in a wide
receiver one.
So that's, that's what you'rehoping.
Hey, maybe we got a guy now,maybe we have the guy who is the
answer to our wide receiver one.
Problems we're hoping.
So right, you got to have a guywho tilts the field.

(31:58):
That's.
The big thing for me is, whenyou listen to a lot of these
defensive coordinators, thesedefensive guys when they're
preparing for Green Bay, it'slike they don't have that guy
where you have to respect thatside of the field.
Everybody kind of the safeties,everybody kind of shifts to his
side of the field.
The greenback package didn'thave that last year.
Wicks wasn't that guy, reedwasn't that guy.
They're both dropping passesleft and right.

(32:20):
You hope that they got thatfigured out.
Dobbs, I mean he was out twice.
Christian watson, it's.
It was there and then it wasn't.
You didn't know what you'regonna get.
There was just inconsistencyacross the board.
Now you're hoping you foundthat consistency with a guy like
matthew uh, golden coming inthere.
I gotta agree with you on that,anthony bet.
Uh, belt intake.
There I mean six, six, three,thirty six, yes, big boy.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
He's way out of all measurables for green bay.
They don't ever get big guyslike that ever.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
You know and that was the crazy part was goody loved
his ability and of his size tobe able to move around like he
does.
That was what just impressed mewas Goody's like.
I love the speed of this guy,the way he moves around.
I'm like he's a big dude.
Yeah, not what I was expectingyou to say about Anthony Belton
there, but hey, if it fails overthere you can move to D-tackle,
just have him just run.
There's that translation ofposition there with that.

(33:12):
But hey, I mean looking at thedraft in total.
So you talked about a couple ofthe the first guys there.
Yeah, was there a guy whoexcited you the most?
I mean maybe two, maybe if yougot a couple name off, a couple
there, but who excites you themost of the packers picked up?
I mean, even you want to goundrafted, uh, and drafted guys,
you can go there too.
Either way works for me.
Just what guys excite you themost coming into green bay right

(33:32):
now?

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I think I would be remiss if I didn't mention, you
know, braylon sorrell, texasdefensive end outside linebacker
, who flew into the draft, whoflew into green bay day three so
you can take part in the draftroom experience and was the only
guy in the room when green baypicked in the fourth round and
honestly like, if you, if again,there's a lot of guys that

(33:56):
they've got.
There are a lot of senior bowlguys.
Um, he dominated the seniorbowl.
Lots of upper upper bodystrength dude, bench presses,
425.
Um.
Also, every single person inTexas said there's one player
they could bring along with them, that it would be Sorrell and
it was due to his personality,due to his leadership, due to
the person he is.
He's just a really good,positive dude and just seeing

(34:20):
him at the podium later on withthe beat writers and just having
all those emotions of all thesacrifices his parents made to
get him there, it was very hardfor me not to get choked up and
feel some kind of emotion forhim.
So I was really excited aboutthat pick because I feel like we
haven't we, you know, wholetime up until now we've been
talking about Green Bay needs toimprove the pass rush.

(34:40):
They need to improve theirsecondary, they need to improve
their defensive line and withSorrell, with Colin Oliver out
of Oklahoma State, even with the, they got both Georgia tackles,
they got Brinson and they alsogot Stackhouse right and both
those guys were dominating onthat defensive line and,

(35:06):
honestly, like, the way theykind of wrapped up the draft in
day three was very impressivebecause not only those guys were
really great, but I'm tellingyou the one dude that I like
they picked as an undrafted freeagent.
One dude's name is Umar Johnson.
So I was just hyped about thatbecause he has my first name.
But he's running back out ofNorth Dakota State and so it's
funny because Tucker Craft hypedit.
He actually retweeted him whenhe was coming to Green Bay

(35:26):
because he played with them,right.
But this guy named Kazir Buggsout of Florida International
Atlantic no, floridaInternational University,
florida International Universityhe's 6'3", 6'4", 224 pounds,
runs a 4.38, bench presses 24times Like.

(35:47):
He's the kind I always find anundrafted free agent that I can
lock onto and follow through thewhole training cap OTAs and see
if he makes a team.
My last draft question was RavenGreen.
I don't know if you rememberhim from James Madison, and so
this is my guy, this is the guythat I'm going to lock onto and
follow and hope that he makesthe team, because I think, like
with physical attributes, likethat, those guys don't grow on
trees.
But, like I said, they reallyrounded out the defense on the

(36:10):
back end.
Like I think you had mentioned,stackhouse.
He's going to be, I think, agreat Slayton replacement and
they do expect a lot fromDevontae Wyatt you know their
former first-round pick fromthree years, three, four years
ago and they're expecting him tokind of take that next step to
be a long-term defensive end,defensive tackle on the
defensive line.
So I feel like the way thisdraft rounded out, they're

(36:34):
expecting a lot of big thingsfrom Covington and they gave
Matt LaFleur a lot more toys toplay with.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
That's the big thing.
Yeah, I mean, your first threepicks went offense.
That's where I was surprised.
I didn't hate it, I didn't hateit, but at the same time I was
like, oh, maybe would I havetaken a de-tackle or a pass rush
, maybe right that.
When they picked Belton, theonly thing that I said was I
think Mike Green's stillavailable.
Yeah, the only thing I said wasGreen.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Amos Amos is still there, right.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Will.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Johnson was like in that who's picked 47, but we
could have.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I'm with you bro, there's always that pick in the
draft where you look at the guyswho come after it and you look
back at it and it's like God man, should we have taken this guy,
this guy, this guy?
I mean it's every draft, right.
I just got that feeling thatwe're going to look back at the
second round and say I, even ifI hope Elton turns out great, I

(37:30):
think he's going to turn outgreat.
I don't want to diss on thisguy right now.
I just got that feeling we'regoing to look back on it and say
, man, mike Green's going to bea Hall of Famer.
He's next Miles Garrett walkingthrough the door there and we
got Elton there in the secondround.
It's going to be like, was it areach for him?
I don't know, could you havegotten Elton later?
He got his guy.
That's the guy he wanted.

(37:50):
It's okay.
Right, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's funny you say that, because I felt the same
way too.
I felt like we got him in thethird or fourth round.
Maybe we could have, maybe wedon't.
You know, it's hindsight, 2020,right, they call him a dancing
bear.
Like you just mentioned, theway he could move.
For a guy his size, he could beleft tackle or he could play
guard, and, if you notice, whenthey picked up banks aaron banks
he's another really, really bigguard.

(38:15):
So you could definitely tellthey beefed up the offense line
in a way to where they're reallytrying to get more away from
having finesse guys and maybehave more power guys.
And I think we all saw whathappened at playoff game, where
we had so many hits on offenseline that basically we had
kadeem telford out there playingsnaps, right, yeah, and I'm
thinking they're trying to doeverything they can to avoid
that again.

(38:35):
So, again, we just talked I wastalking to.
One of my friends was acommanders fan and he was
talking about how, like you know, they drafted connelly jr and
you gotta protect your franchise.
You know, getting the dancingbear, mr anthony escalade.
I feel like that's exactly whatthey're doing.
They're just trying to protecttheir investment.
They're trying to protect theirfranchise quarterback, also
trying to make sure that lesshands get on josh jacobs when

(38:58):
he's running through the hole Ilike it.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
I mean I I didn't hate the move.
You got guys plugged the hole.
Now you got aaron banks, getanthony belton in there, you're
gonna hopefully jordan morgancan figure it out.
You got elton jenkins right upthe center.
Now zach tomshon I mean you,your line has got yeah and you
got good backups too, right?
Yeah, no, that's the big thing Iagree with you 100%, because
that Eagles game it comes backto every time I think about it.
It's not the Eagles playedbetter, it's not this, it's not

(39:22):
that it's the Packers hurtthemselves Once again.
They hurt themselves down thestretch there.
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with Trey.
So we went to the break.
I had Umar on here.
We were talking a littlePackers, talking a little
Packers draft.
We've been talking Packers fora majority of the day here.
I mean it was an excitingweekend.
It was an exciting weekend ofthe draft there at Green Bay.
They blew away expectations ofwhat they expected for the
attendance there.
So that was awesome to see downthere.

(41:12):
But this draft there's a lot ofcontroversy.
Right with the draft here,shador, let's just throw it out
there.
Right, because I know Mel Kiper.
It was hilarious listening toMel Kiper and Reese Davis
yelling about it on set thereand Reese is just basically like
dude, calm down and Reese wasright.

(41:32):
Reese was right in the wholesituation.
Now Shador Sanders just has toprove it right.
He has to prove everybody wrong.
That's all Reese Davis wassaying.
And then Mel Kuyper's freakingout over there telling him how
you know this and that and noquarterback should be dropped
this far.
If he's this high ranked on myboard and I've never been wrong
I can tell you I saw a couple ofdifferent ones that Mel Kiper
has been wrong on.

(41:53):
So I mean I'm not saying Shadoris going to be he's going to be
wrong, but he's been wrong on acouple of guys before.
So Mel Kiper, I don't like MelKiper at all.
No-transcript, I didn't watchthe ESPN broadcast.

(42:17):
Mike Greenberg drives me nuts,he drives me nuts and so does
Mel Kiper.
So I switched over and Ilistened.
It was Reese Davis, it was NickSaban, I think Kirk Herbstreet
was on the first night there,and then it was like camera was
desmond howard on there?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
was he on there at all?
I didn't see him over theweekend I I so yeah, I was gonna
say um, matt miller was a guythey brought on yes stick to
stick to football podcast withconnor rogers and um austin,
call and mellow, and he then gotpicked up by espn.
He's he's an amazing nfl scoutand, uh, he's been on what.
No, mel actually brought him onboard.
He's one of the better ones outthere.
Yeah, I always watch DanielJeremiah.

(42:58):
That's my dude.
I do agree with you on Mel.
I feel like Mel is wrong morethan he is right.
I was with, I definitely was.
I'm a little bit different.
I was definitely with him whenit came to Shador.
I thought Shador should havebeen at least a third-round pick
.
I know what Reese was trying tosay and I agree with Reese too.
It's like look, now you're inokay, and you look at guys like

(43:22):
look at Mark Tauscher, righttackle for Green Bay for many
years, and then he's a PackerHall of Famer.
Now right, he was aseventh-round pick.
He literally was a tackle atWisconsin and then what did he
do?
He busted his butt and he wasable to work his way into a
starting position.
He was one of the few righttackles to only give up.
I think he only had one holdingcall his whole career right.

(43:43):
And so you got guys like KurtWarner, who was an undrafted
free agent who was bagginggroceries and he eventually
became a Super Bowl champ andthen also went to the second
Super Bowl and almost wonagainst the Steelers with the
Arizona Cardinals.
So I feel like, at the end ofthe day, desjardins probably was
there something that we don'tknow about when it comes to his
interviews.
When it comes to possibly Maybeit's because he's just a really

(44:04):
big personality and peopledidn't want to deal with that.
For the rookie.
That's also a possibility, butnone of that matters.
Now he's a.
He's a fifth round pick.
He's with the Browns.
The Browns don't have an answer.
Quarterback Deshaun Watson is ashell of himself.
I'd be surprised if he makesthe team Kenny Pickett they just
said they're not gonna honortheir his fifth year option.
Joe Flacco will be the starterthis year and I think he's a

(44:26):
great stopgap quarterback andcan be an amazing mentor to
Shador and to Dylan Gabriano.
Oregon, oregon, and with that,with those guys there, shador
has a great opportunity becausethat offense in Cleveland is
nice.
I mean, you got Dre Judy, you,you have Jerome Ford.
They, they invested reallyheavily in the draft when it

(44:46):
comes to their running backs andthe talent on Cleveland is
there.
They just haven't been able toreally put it together and I
think, like I mean, don't forgetlike two years ago they went
through the playoffs with JoeFlacco, right.
So I just think this whole thingwith Shador was, I feel like
it's not his fault because in away, we're like the media really
blew it up, right.
The media made a real big stinkabout saying, oh, he should be

(45:08):
a first-round pick, he's goingto go here, he's going to go
here, he's going to go here,he's going to go here.
And then, when he didn't, it'slike okay, so what's going on?
Truth be told, it's like theonly people that know what's
going on are the footballevaluators.
And if we're just sticking tofootball, his numbers are pretty
good.
He did turn around bothorganizations at Colorado State
and Jackson State, so he is aproven leader.

(45:28):
I want to see where he goes fromhere, because you are, I feel
like, when it comes to any ofthese situations, being a
first-round pick or undraftedfree agent, you can make.
You have an opportunity now.
You have to make the best of it.
Right.
Adversity makes the best out ofall of us, or it shows where we
might have some weaknesses inour game correct.
That could be in anything we doin our life.

(45:48):
Right, I know me personally.
I've been through a lot ofadversity and I'm better for it.
Because of those those things Iwent through, I'm happy that I
didn't have an easy life.
And you know what?
This was a great slice ofhumble pie that I hope he eats
and takes it and makes a chip onhis shoulder and makes
something of it.
Yeah, no right, it's tom bradybrock purdy I know brock purdy

(46:09):
gets a lot of hate.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Brock purdy's doing pretty darn well for himself and
he's looking at a big contracthere there you go, I mean there
is a lot of guys who've gottentaken later in the draft here.
I would agree it was.
It was odd.
Uh, I don't.
Steven a was way off base withhis take on it.
He, steven a is another guydrives me nuts, I don't he.
He definitely keeps the job forclickbait, yeah his football

(46:31):
picks are really whack dude I'm.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I'm sorry Him and Skip Bayless.
They don't speak from a placeof football knowledge.
They more speak from a place ofeither being clickbaity or
they're trying to get you totune in because they're trying
to be very edgy, or they'retrying to say something
controversial.
Like Emmanuel Ochoa does that alot too For me.
When I'm listening to certainpeople like Maurice Jones-Drew a

(46:53):
lot too for me.
Like when I'm listening tocertain people like, like you
know, maurice jones drew, hekind of he just these, a lot of
these guys.
There's some guys that are outthere that just stick to what
exactly is in front of them,right, yeah, um, daniel jeremiah
is great about that too.
Like he you know he's a formerplayer, appalachian state guy
and you know him bucky brooks,charles davis, steve weiss a lot
of these guys.
They, they know what they'retalking about, so I kind of go
to them.
I definitely do gravitatetowards my NFL network when it
comes to that, but ESPN doeshave some really good guys.

(47:16):
Like I said, matt Miller isanother guy that I would follow,
and if he told whatever he hadto say about Shador or about any
prospect, I will listen to him,or Bill, or Bill.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Bill will just tell you how it is.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
That's what I love about Bill.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
That's what I love about Bill.
That's what I love about.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Bill Michaels on the radio.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Oh Bill Michaels, oh Bill he just tells you
everything how it is.
He doesn't sugarcoat it, hedoesn't hold back If he doesn't
like something.
He tells you all about it andwhy.
And I love that about him,especially when it comes to the
Packers.
He lets it fly sometimes.
He lets it fly sometimes andthat's what you got to do.

(47:55):
I mean, outside of that, Ididn't like I don't know if I
would have taken shador ahead ofjackson dart.
I kind of like jackson dart.
I kind of liked what I sawjackson dart there at old mess.
I thought he was a big timeplayer.
I just thought old mess screwedthemselves out of games a
couple different times there andthat's why old mess kind of
fell apart.
Km ward played solid all season.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
The only thing that annoyed him was easy number one.
For me that was oh yeah 100.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
He's got all the attributes that you want.
The only thing that annoyed mewas he played in the game for
miami and that uh play.
He played in that uh bowl gamefor like five minutes or
whatever yeah, and then just gota record.
And then got the record he gotthe record that drove me nuts.
That drives me nuts withplayers.
It absolutely does I.
I can't remember who it was, Idon't want to quote it, but
there was a college player whosaid I know you're talking about

(48:33):
south carolina kid.
Yeah, yeah, he said that thereason why he played was because
he wants his kids to look backyeah, I saw that same interview,
yeah and I was like that wasawesome.
Yeah, I was like I love thatthat's the guy.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Second round pick dray something.
Linebacker south carolina.
Oh my gosh, what is this?
I know exactly.
I saw the same interview and Iwas impressed.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
I love that guy.
I wish the Packers would.
After I listened to him talkfor five seconds, I was like I
wish the Packers would have gotyou.
I'm missing him.
Is it Demetrius?

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Knight.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Jr.
Is that his name?

Speaker 3 (49:04):
there.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah that's it.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Demetrius Knight Yep.
That sounds right he went tothe Bengals and they got an
awesome guy in there, becausethat is a dude.
I want that is a guy I want onmy football team because he's
going to.
It's like we were talking theother day there last week about
Josh Myers right, Not thegreatest in the world, but he
was always out there.
He had a torn neck.
He was out there.
He was going to give youeverything he had every single
week.
That's the kind of guy you'regetting there.

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I love to see stories like thatacross the board.
Across the board.
Was there, I guess, a team thatyou were?
Oh, they won the draft.
Was there that kind of team inthis?

Speaker 2 (49:36):
draft where you kind of loved it.
Yeah, Houston grabbing JadenHiggins and Jalen Knoll.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Took the entire Iowa State team Took the whole Iowa
State team.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
I was impressed by that.
I have to admit that every timePhilly drafts they do really
well.
They just find a way to reallywork the draft and still get all
the guys they want.
Um, tampa had a really gooddraft.
They I mean them getting a bootcut because they know that both
.
You know godwin's coming offinjury, evans was banged up but

(50:09):
he still played, but he'sgetting older um.
And then they did they pickedup uh, he picked up a couple
corners and stuff like that too.
That was in love too with um.
I I there was.
I felt jacksville's move to twowas a little rich for me.
Personally.
I think travis hunter is agreat talent.
I just don't think I would havegiven up a first round pick for
next year when you know yourteam is kind of like devoid of

(50:29):
talent to a degree right, andyou're a first-time GM.
There's a quote in the movieDraft Day that people have mixed
reviews on, but Kevin Cosgroveis talking to actually the
Jacksonville Jaguars GM and he'stalking to him.
He's like, hey, you know, outof the draft someone always
comes out looking like a donkey.
He goes do you want to be thedonkey?
And I have to feel thatGladstone, giving up that first

(50:50):
him or Terry uh Fort, not atAtlanta, one of them might come
out looking like a donkey.
They both give first roundpicks to move up in the draft to
get their guys.
Now, jackson dart, what youwere saying I agree.
Physically that man haseverything you.
That young man has everythingyou want as a quarterback right
Now.
He did an interview with JohnGruden on just being what he

(51:12):
does, going through plays andstuff like that.
Yep you saw it right, yep, hedidn't look like he looked very
confused, like he was asking fordummy calls, he was asking for
dummy cadences and stuff likethat and it was just like wow,
like wait, like you don't knowwhat he's talking about at all
and you know what.

(51:32):
I hate to say it, but a lot ofthese kids that come out of
college, the way the offense isset up is that they're not
required some of them are notreally required to think on
their feet.
They look forward to thesideline, they get the play and
they run right.
So definitely Giants moving upand getting Jackson Dart was
definitely a move.
Like I said, that scene fromthat one movie was like hey,
bold move.
You know, con, we'll see howthat plays out right.
So this is going to be one ofthose things.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
You know I took the Browns winning the draft after
that move because they tradedback.
They got Mason Graham Huge addfor that defensive line I agree.
And then they went into thesecond round and they could
basically double dip there, withthe first pick in the second
round and the fourth pick inthat second round, second round
and the fourth pick in thatsecond round.
I thought it was weird thatthey took I.
I really thought they were goingto go quarterback and then they

(52:16):
went with a linebacker at ucla,and then there was a piece.
I agree like it was good picks.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I was just like well it was just, it was out of the
field, right?

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I agree, yeah, yeah I just, I really thought I was
like uh, they're gonna, now it'sgonna be shador, now it's gonna
be shador.
And then I said that like 14times.
I'm like now it's gonna be,nope, not yet.
Not yet there, I would.
I do I like the giants pick.
There I saw one guy he actuallyI think he was on the boys
something pack, I don't knowwhat he was on.
They were interviewing him andhe predicted what the giants

(52:46):
were gonna do.
He said that they were yeah, hewas gonna trade back into the
first round.
He predicted it both right.
I was like wow.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
You know what Giants trading what they did?
They didn't give up a lot.
They gave up, I think, a, twoand two threes to move back into
the first.
I was like that's not bad, youhave guys giving up first round
picks to get back into the firstFor the fact that they didn't
give up a first.

(53:17):
If you nailed it, if you nailedit with jackson dart, you didn't
waste anything.
No, that's what I'm saying.
I completely agree.
Yeah, if you have faith inyourself, yes, and he has
russell, wilson and winston tolearn from, so you can sit for a
year.
I mean, I hope they let him sitfor a year, because a lot of
these guys that got pickedexcept cam I think cam's gonna
start right away, right, buteverybody else for the most part
can have an opportunity to sitand learn and actually get an
idea about what the NFL game is.
So they're not like thrown into, like you know, they're
basically thrown into the fireand expecting to dance, right.
So hopefully they get thatopportunity to kind of take it

(53:39):
like you know, go through theMahomes way, go the Rodgers way,
go the Love way.
Even Josh Allen.
Josh Allen played, but I thinkhe didn't start right away.
He eventually started that hisfirst year and then he basically
kept it.
But again, like giving theseguys opportunity to kind of
learn the game before they haveto, you know, take over a
franchise, basically I agree.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I agree 100.
I'm hoping there's a lot ofquarterbacks that came out of
this draft where they're kind ofgoing to let them sit for a
little bit and work their way inoutside of camp.
I don't think ward's going tohave that kind of opportunity.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
No, and then dude they, they stacked up on there
again.
That's an interesting that theyreally well in the draft too.
They got a lot of receivers.
They went ahead and like,really built.
Like you know, callahan has areally good young nucleus on
that team.
I'm really looking forward toseeing how he runs because,
honestly, the afc south is upfor grabs right now.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
I mean unless if houston puts her back together.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I mean that and that's the best team they
decimated their offensive lineand they try to kind of put it
back there.
They got a whole bunch ofweapons, but their O-line is
still kind of slacking a littlebit there.
So we're just going to see howthey plan on going about
protecting Stroud.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Just whip the ball around as fast as you can,
that's it.
Just straight pop pass everysingle time Shotgun only pop
passes the whole time there.
So, Umber, it's been fantastic,as always.
We'll have you back here nextweek.
I know something's going to behappening with the Packers.
We'll have you on next week.
We'll talk more Packers here onthe show.
But hey, on the top of the hourhere we got more to get into.

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We got Talk Badge Basketball.
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Kyle from Chopping in the Bitpodcast there.
He's here to talk Bucs because,well, my goodness, we've got to
talk about that disaster.
So, kyle, I mean all in all,outside of that disastrous
finish that we watched there howare we doing on this Wednesday?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
I mean I'm doing well , you know it's playoff time.
We've got, you know, baseballgoing, you got hockey playoffs,
like this is a good time Justcoming off the draft.
So now you got NFL kind of theback of your mind because it's
almost here.
So, yeah, I'm happy right now.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
That's where we're at right now in Wisconsin, because
the Brewers are struggling andthe Bucs well, we watched that
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Kyle, I always have you on andyou are always a part of the
Mellow Yellow Minute there, andeverybody, if you're sitting out
there, make sure you got yourcold beverage next to you.
Crack that baby.
Right now we're going to get tothe Mellow Yellow Minute.
Kyle had today's choice of aquestion, and today's question
is because he said it's got tofit the theme right.
The theme of today Crushingdefeat.

(57:50):
What are trage's top threecrushing wisconsin sports
defeats?
What, kyle, I mean?
Take a shot in the dark.
What is number one on the listof trage's crushing defeats?

Speaker 3 (58:02):
so I'm thinking one.
I believe was it the nationalchampionship badgers, blue
devils man.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
He's taking shots right off the top.
That is number one.
That's 2015 NationalChampionship.
The ball did, in fact, go offWinslow's finger and everybody
knows it, including Duke fans.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Mm-hmm, okay, that one I figured had to be up there
.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Oh, it stings, it stings, it still hurts to this
day.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
So next one, I want to say Packers-Eagles playoffs,
when the Eagles, I think,converted like the fourth in 26
or 29.
If I had to make like a topfive.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
It's in there, it's in there, but there is a Packer
one in there.
It's just not that one.
This one, this one's got alittle more sting to it because
the Packers had a big lead andthis team came back and beat
them.
And to it because the packershad a big lead and this team
came back and beat them and wenton to the super bowl that same
season I'm not gonna try toremember which game that is the
2014 nfc championship gamebetween the packers and the

(59:07):
seattle seahawks.
Okay, 35 yard touchdown pass tojermaine curse there in the end
zone in overtime.
To win it.
The Packers were up 16-0.
There was an onside kick.
It was disgusting.
That game was just a disaster.
So there is my number two, kyle.
What is number three on thelist there for crushing losses

(59:28):
in Trajan's book?

Speaker 3 (59:29):
So number three, I'm thinking Brewers.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
It is.
It is in fact Brewers.
There are many, there are many.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Brewers losses that come to mind.
I'm trying to think which onewould be the worst for you.
I know they had a heartbreakingone last year.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
That was disastrous it was against the Mets.
We even got rid of our closerbecause of it.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Right Now it's no longer the closer for the
Yankees.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
He's nothing.
Yeah, he's basically nothing atthis point.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
And I think there was what 2018.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Bingo.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Was that the one with the?

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Dodgers, dodgers, game seven of the nlcs.
Yasiel puig boom off jeremyjeffress and all the hope and
the state of wisconsin went justlike that.
The brewers have a lot of them.
They have a lot of I mean.
You talk about devin williamsblowing that save.
You talk about josh hater andtrent grisham letting the ball
go through his legs against thenationals.

(01:00:33):
There.
That was here.
The nationals went all the wayto the world series I mean
they're the brewers are justlike masters at the crushing
defeats.
In the playoffs, arizonadiamondbacks just smoked us.
I mean it was a disaster.
It was a disaster.
But kyle, all of that, that wasa great hour.
There's a great melio minuteright there and great guesses by
kyle there.
He's not much of a, he's awisconsin sports fan, but he's
not a wisconsin sports fan.

(01:00:54):
So that's some great guesses bykyle right there.
But all of that leads into ourcrushing, our most recent
crushing defeat, this box team.
Kyle, you had the lead.
They were up.
What they were up?
It felt like at one point therein this game they were up at
least I mean 15.
More than that.
At one point in this game herethey were up at least I mean 15.

(01:01:14):
More than that.
At one point in this game.
Here they're up 20-9.
To start the game they wererunning.
Look, I don't want to say theywere running away with it, but
honestly it felt like they couldrun away with this game at one
point.
And then the Pacers clawed backand then the Bucs would take a
little lead and then the Pacerstook a lead and then it was back
and forth.
Then it was a scrap fest and Iwas like I texted Kyle right
then I said Kyle, this is whatthe Bucs wanted.

(01:01:35):
Because when it was 73-73 atthe end of the third, I was like
this is a game for the Bucs,because they needed a defensive
battle.
We said it, they needed adogfight, they needed to win a
dogfight and they took it to theend.
They blew it to the end.
They blew it to go intoovertime there.
And then overtime comes aroundand well, hang on to the

(01:01:58):
basketball.
Gary Trent, why are we turningthe basketball over twice,
throwing the ball away, lettingit go through our hands?
It was all disaster.
It just all struck at one time.
It was like the perfect storm.
All struck at one time.
It was, it was like the perfectstorm.
And I mean kyle was what do you?
What did you make of this game?

(01:02:18):
I mean you were watching.
You said what a finish.
What did you make of this gamebetween the bucks and the pacers
?
This, I mean ultimately, lastgame of this series and last
game of the season for the bucksso what I think happened in
this one.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
It kind of highlighted a lot of the
frustrations Bucs fans havedealt with all season Because
they went through the first fourgames of the series.
I guess looking outmatchedagainst the Pacers team.
That is not the best matchupfor the Bucs.

(01:02:55):
Only because the Pacers like toplay fast and because of the
Bucs roster construction theycan play fast in spurts, but
they can't do it for 48 minutes,potentially seven games in a
series.
So the Bucs really had to picktheir spots when they tried to
speed up the Pacers.
But what they needed to dooffensively was execute, make

(01:03:21):
the Pacers work, be kind ofphysical with them and try to
just muck it up a little bit andthen win it.
At the end they couldn't do it.
Now, part of that was Doc andhis rotations, the starting
lineup, which I didn'tunderstand, why he kept running
that group out there when you'relooking at Brook Lopez, who's

(01:03:44):
been in this league for a while,but he's not the quickest on
his feet and you're dealing witha team that has Miles Turner,
who can move, toppin can move Imean they'll even slide like
Siakam in that positionsometimes who can move?
So you know it wasn't asserious for Brook Lopez.
And then you look at tonightDoc finally realized that

(01:04:08):
because Brook Lopez only playedlike seven minutes.
So you put him out there for alittle bit just to whatever.
You pull him and you sit himfor the rest of the game.
Then it's because I said thisbefore the series guys like
Torian Prince should not haveguaranteed minutes.
He had guaranteed minutes untiltonight, when he only played
like five minutes.

(01:04:28):
Until tonight, when he onlyplayed like five minutes.
So Doc once again waited untilgame five, with you being down
3-1, to finally make anadjustment.
And that's where a lot of the,I guess, bad talking points, or
necessarily towards Doc, comefrom, because it's now what?

(01:04:50):
17 years since he won thattitle in Boston in 08.
Since then his coaching recordhasn't been great.
So now you have to add this tothat Because I feel like going
into this series, a lot ofpeople thought because of the
Pacers' finesse style, and theystill don't really have a lot of
experience.
On that team, people werethinking the Bucs could pull the

(01:05:12):
technical upset as the fiveseed but now, watching these
games, it's like the Pacers arealmost leaps and bounds ahead of
Milwaukee with this currentgroup.
And now, as Bucs fans have todo, you've got to look to the
offseason and wonder a lot,because Milwaukee kind of went

(01:05:36):
all in to preserve theirchampionship window after their
last title and now they're kindof spiraling off the cliff at
this point because they don'thave first round picks in the
next few years.
So you can't build that way.
Unfortunately, your best assetis also your best player and

(01:06:01):
basically your only redeemableasset is your best player.
On a lot of these teams thatare struggling, like, there's
guys surrounding the star playerwhere you're like all right, he
didn't work here, but he'llhave some value on the open
market.
I don't know where younecessarily would say that with
this group, other than maybeKevin Porter, because I believe
Porter has a player option, butthere's a good chance Kevin

(01:06:23):
Porter might want to get paid,so he's not going to lock into
that Cause.
Think the player option is liketwo and a half million and I
think even in this series he'sshowed that he can perform on a
playoff stage and, outside ofGiannis and probably Gary Trent,
kevin Porter had the bestseries, so he might get paid a

(01:06:44):
little bit more.
I think Bobby Portis has aplayer option, and Bobby Portis
only because he's like a careerbuck.
He'll probably lock into that,but Portis is still one of the
older guys on the team.
So it's almost like you'restuck in a certain situation
that probably doesn't get betternext year Unless you make some

(01:07:09):
tough decisions Likeuzma kuzma.
The kuzma experience failed.
Now the problem is did it failso much on your watch that now
you can't move him and you'restuck with him for two years?
Because he has two years lefton his deal, I think, averaging
at like 20 million a year, whichin today, today's NBA, is a

(01:07:30):
contract you can move, but Idon't know where you go.
You probably can't callcontenders for him because
they'll be like well, he didn'twork for you.
He didn't really work with theLakers.
He only played somewhat wellwith Washington, who stung.
How do we know?
He's not one of those guys whocan only perform on a bad team.

(01:07:51):
Fine, if that's what it comesdown to.
You call one of these bad teams.
But it's like what do they havethat you like?
Because they're on a bad teamfor a reason.
So they may literally take thisand go and convince themselves.
Well, kuzma came in midseasontough transition.
Maybe if we give him theoffseason he'll be better next

(01:08:14):
year.
That works for some.
I don't think that works forkuzma.
So it's like do you almost pushjanice to go for a trade right
now because he has two moreyears on his deal at crazy money
that you can use to gain thosefirst round picks you don't have
, and actually do a rebuild thecorrect way you know.

(01:08:37):
Get all these assets, justdraft players, see who sticks,
who can be your new core andbuild around that group, cause
at least it'd be cheaper and youhave more flexibility.
But let's say Giannis doesn'twant to go anywhere.
What moves are out there thatmakes this team drastically
better when you're looking at anEastern Conference where the
Celtics aren't going anywhere,the Cavs aren't going anywhere,

(01:09:00):
the Pistons are growing, theMagic are growing.
The Knicks I've had somequestions about them, but
they're in a better spot thanyou right now.
It's an East that's gettingbetter behind Milwaukee.
So this might have been thelast run with your Giannis
Portis Lopez types.

(01:09:22):
And also with that you gotLillard.
I forgot all about Lillard, 34years old, coming off an
Achilles injury.
What can you really expect fromhim next season?
And he's another guy if youtried to move him, how is he
viewed around the league?
He's now damaged goods, gettingolder.
I think this is around the sametime Kobe had his injury.

(01:09:45):
Kobe retired.
So if Lillard continues to play,he's a guy that does kind of
operate Well.
He operates mostly off of histhree-point shooting, obviously,
but there is a bit ofathleticism to his game that if
he loses any of that, what doesthat look like?
He doesn't give you muchdefensively, so if he can't play

(01:10:06):
to a certain level offensively,he's a net negative.
And then you got the coaching.
Like Doc clearly can't coachthis team next season.
You can't lose a series likethis where you don't adjust in
any way, and lose the way youdid with a lead that should have

(01:10:27):
carried you into a game.
Six 30 seconds left, you're upby six points.
You have enough veteran guys onthat team on that court that
should have gotten this done andthey didn't.
And yes, that's going toreflect on the players, but
reflects mostly on doc rivers,who's probably on thin ice with
bucks fans anyway, so he has togo.
Now it's who do you bring in tomake these guys any better?

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
That's the truth.
That is the truth.
Kyle gave the rant for everyBuck fan out there, right there.
Kyle just gave us the wholerant.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
I figured I'd help him out, I'd help him sort out
their thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Let us know how we're all feeling right then.
And there, hey, we got moreBuck talk to get to.
Kyle was giving us our rantthere, so I got more questions
for him.
So we'll get to more Buckquestions At the backside of
this break.
Here we're going to talk MLB.
We got all kinds of stuff toget to yet here tonight.
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So, anywhere in Loyal Kobe orMedford, wisconsin, there,
before we went to the last break, kyle came on.
He went on his full tangentabout this Bucs team and what
the heck we watched and what'sgoing to be happening in this
offseason.
I know we're going to get moreinto the offseason talk here in
the coming days, weeks, whatever, as we get out of the season

(01:12:10):
here.
But I want to talk about thisseries because Giannis gave the
Bucs everything that he had,gave it it all.
And I got to say Giannis didsay you know, they got to put a
bomb underneath them, basically,and blow them up to get him out
of Milwaukee.
So I don't believe I know a lotof Bucs fans are worried and I
Milwaukee.
So I don't believe I know a lotof Buck fans are worried and I
know Kyle just mentioned itthere.
Hey, maybe it is time to thinkabout.

(01:12:31):
I don't think Giannis isleaving willingly.
I think the Bucks wouldliterally have to tie him up,
throw him in a bucket and justship him off Like that's.
That's the way that it would go.
So I don't think Giannis isgoing anywhere.
I think we can all calm downthere.
Gary Trent was fantastic in thisseries, absolutely fantastic
Porter.
I loved what I saw out of him.
I feel comfortable with Porterfor the future Kyle mentioned it

(01:12:55):
there he's got a player option.
I am taking him to the bank andI'm saying what do you want?
What do you want?
What are you worth?
We'll get you your moneyBecause this is a guy I feel
like you can center around andbuild with him.
He's a young guy.
He's a young guy.
He's had a past, but I think hemeshes well with Giannis.
I think he meshes well with histeam.
So I'm keeping him around.
Aj Green, just sign the check,give him whatever he wants.

(01:13:17):
I don't care this guy's cash.
This is where I ran into theissue and, like Kyle mentioned
earlier, and where I ran into anissue with this series.
Why did it take Doc Rivers solong to adjust to what he had?
Because when you look at AJGreen just AJ Green in general,
right For the season, he's a 42%free throw or three-point

(01:13:38):
shooter.
42%, that's impressive.
We look at the games in thisseries.
Game one I don't even think heplayed.
I can't remember for sure there, but I don't know if he played
at all in game one.
I know game two he had limitedminutes, or 27.
Game three he played 12.
Game four he played 26.
Game five he played 24.

(01:13:59):
And then all of a sudden ingame or game five I just got my
numbers.
They're all kinds of confusedbecause ESPN was confusing me.
Game one was 27, game two was12, either way, but confusing me
, game one was 27, game two was12, either way.
But then in game five, all of asudden he plays 46 minutes and
we're just like, oh, here you go, here's all the minutes, right.
And look, we saw 19 points.
He was 60.
From downtown, did it all foryou, gary trent.

(01:14:19):
You gave him the runway and hejust said here you go, I'm gonna
knock down some big timebuckets.
Two straight games.
Gary trent gives you justphenomenal performances, does
everything that are well, wheredid he go?
Game four he went off in thatgame there for the bucks.
There.
I mean two great performancesout of gary trent in this series
.
And yet it took until game fivefor doc to say we should run

(01:14:41):
out this lineup.
We should give jericho simsmore time out there in the
basketball court.
Jericho sims was a, if you wantto look at like who was a,
because you got to look for goodin every crappy series.
Right, I look at jericho simsfour offensive rebounds in this
game, a ton of offensiverebounds throughout the series.
He's just a constant presenceand a block, a shot blocker.

(01:15:02):
He's a constant guy around therim.
He's just a pest.
Jericho sims, I thought, playedgreat in the role that he was
given.
And then you look at guys Imean you look across the board
there.
Aj Green, like I mentionedthere, he was fantastic.
Kevin Porter was great in theseries.
Gary Trent, huge Portis playedwell.

(01:15:23):
Giannis loved it.
You have to look at the guyswhere you.
These are the guys who weresupposed to be the dudes right.
Prince Kuzma Lopez.
They were non-factors,non-factors.
Like you mentioned there.
Lopez was going to be anon-factor in the series.
He's not fast enough, he's notathletic enough to play with
these guys.
Kuzma was I mean, I don't knowwhat else to say, he just didn't
show up.
Torian Prince was absolutelyunplayable.

(01:15:44):
Four minutes was too much ineven game five, and that's.
You want to know where.
They ran into a problem.
They had zero bench.
When you realistically look atit and I'm not saying like they
could have I think they couldhave played Jericho Sims more.
I think they could have.
I think Ryan Rollins could haveplayed.
Andre Jackson Jr didn't playagain.
I don't understand that one.

(01:16:06):
This guy went from a starter,he was playing big minutes and
then all of a sudden he wasnothing to this team.
Andre Jackson Jr is a studdefensively and in a series like
this I felt like he could haveused a stud.
So I don't get that.
I would have given him TorianPrince's minutes.
I would have given it to AndreJackson Jr Kuzma's minutes.
I would have given them to him.
I would have given them to.
I gave him the pat conningtonfor all I care, just it was ugly

(01:16:29):
.
At what point did you just saythese guys aren't doing it for
me anymore?
This whole series, I don't know, just atrocious basketball all
the way across.
So I mean, kyle, were there anythings that you took out of the
series where you're like I, Ilike this.
I, I liked something that I sawhere from a young player on
this roster, or anything likethat yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
So I think, when looking at the way that the
series played out, I guess, ifyou want to use this for the
next coach who comes in because,like I said, I'm assuming doc
is gone from this you kind ofsee how this team can be
successful with yannis and Iagree with you, I don't think

(01:17:12):
yannis is going to like kickdown the door and go get me.
You kind of see how this teamcan be successful with Giannis
and I agree with you, I don'tthink Giannis is going to kick
down the door and go get me outof here.
I think Giannis is a guy thatwants to put pressure on the
front office to do what needs tobe done to stay contenders and,
like I said, the rest of theEast is getting better.
But AJ Green I was impressedwith him.
He showed a lot of confidencein his shot and I think that's a

(01:17:34):
guy that if he didn't startthis year, I would give a spot
in the starting lineup to him,because he's a guy that if I'm
Giannis, if I get into the lane,defenses collapse on me and I
kick it out to him, he's goingto knock down a shot.
That's what he needs.
Gary Trent Jr, who is a freeagent.

(01:17:55):
I think he has shown he willhit big shots for you, but once
again he's another guy in theperimeter who can knock down the
three.
I think you have to do what youcan to sign him.
So I think Green and Trent weredefinitely something you could
take from this and go good.
Those are guys who show thatthey can knock down the three

(01:18:16):
and add a position of need.
I think the second thing thatyou have to look at this and go
a positive Lopez, torrey andPrince are gone.
They're free agents.
You don't have to worry aboutthem.
Those are now roles you cangive to somebody else.
And look, may the Brooke Lopezminutes go to Sims next year,

(01:18:37):
who's a young athletic big.
I think, looking at the East,you can get away with him
playing the five.
There aren't that many bigbruising centers in the East.
It's Embiid, but Embiid's gothis own issues staying on the
court and that's like it.
Most of the centers are yourbam out of bio Al Horford types.
I think Sims could be okay.

(01:18:58):
I even think you shouldprobably think about going small
ball next year and put Giannisat the five and go around that,
but neither here nor there Simscan stay.
And I think the third thing islike this kind of goes off of
the rant, like if you, as a Bucsfan, wanted change and wanted
significant change.
Losing in this fashion is howyou get it.

(01:19:22):
So those are the threepositives you can take from this
.
In a pretty crappy situation,you found two guys, green and
Trent Jr, who should be guysthat you try to forma core with
with Giannis and then build offof them.
Sims is a guy who fits today'sNBA center.

(01:19:46):
You have him on your roster.
I think he's a free agent butit shouldn't take much to
re-sign him.
You keep him, and even Portis,because I know you said you
would like Portis back.
Portis gives you that veteranpresence and I know I like to as
a Celtics fan.
Like Portis is a guy I look atand go.

(01:20:07):
That guy's probably crazy, butyou can tell.
Like Portis is a guy whocarries some weight in the
locker room.
I would keep him for that.
And he still plays.
He still is willing to get downunder the hoop and mix it up.
So I think you can at leastlook at this and go.
You've identified where theproblems are and most of those
problems are free agents so youdon't have to deal with it

(01:20:28):
anyway and you can kind of moveforward as long as yannis is
buying in.
I feel like the bucks aren'tone of these situations that's
like dire need they did this.
Figure out a way to make thishappen without first round picks
.
That's going to be tough, butyou give me honest and you give

(01:20:49):
me guys like green and Trent jrwho could just knock down threes
, I'll take my chances.
Yeah, cause the honest is justthat kind of competitive.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
I agree, I like that, I really do.
I like that analogy you justgave for that bucks team and the
the.
What you think the buck shoulddo here in this next off season.
And I agree, I mean I love whatI see out of Sims.
I think you bring back a guylike Ryan Rollins and Kevin
Porter Jr Definitely, like wetalked about before.
I think that's a piece that youhave to try and bring back to
this roster.
Bobby too, I was impressed.

(01:21:18):
Nembhard drives me nuts.
This Pacers team drives me nuts.
I texted Kyle the other night.
I said between the Rockets andPacers, I don't know who I
disliked the most.
Like both these teams, theyjust try to push buttons, they
try to get in fights, they tryto egg you on right.
And Nembhard last season weremember it was, I believe, game
four or five there he got intoPortis' face.
Portis ended up throwing a hand, he ended up getting ejected

(01:21:41):
right and the Bucs were alreadyshort-handed.
He wasn't able to play right.
Well, last night's game we sawnem hard get over there and he
got into portis's face again andportis just banged on his chest
a couple times, went to hosethe nose with him, but then just
walked away, right, justlaughed it off and walked away
and I was like that is anevolution of bobby, because he's

(01:22:06):
had his issues this year.
Right, he was suspended for thelongest time.
He had his issue last year withthe ejection and everything.
And if Bobby, I love the crazy,I want him to have the crazy, I
want him to have the fight, butI also want him to have the.
I can calm myself down, be aleader of this team and you know
, stay on the basketball court.
That's what we saw, and I mean44 minutes.
That's huge.

(01:22:26):
That was huge in this game.
Not only 14 points it doesn'ttranslate as points to minutes,
but he plays big minutes forthis Bucs team.
So that's why I'm like, likeyou said to a leader in the
locker room this is a guy whereyou got to at least try to bring
him back.
But it all leads back to thesame point.
You said it and we're allthinking it Doc Rivers has got

(01:22:52):
to go.
Man, he's just got to go.
There is no ifs, ands or butsabout it.
I don't care what yana says.
I honestly I don't care what hesays.
If he comes into the lockerroom, says, ah well, it's not
doc's fault?
Whose fault is it yan?
Whose fault you want to blameyourself?
Blame yourself.
Then you want to blame yourteammates.
Go blame them.
But who are you going to blame?
At the end of the day?
You gotta blame somebody.
You gotta put.
Some of this blame has got toget put on somebody.

(01:23:12):
It's not.
This wasn't a complete effort.
I thought, honest, honestly, attimes I thought the intensity
of this box team wasn't there.
I thought, dame, when he cameback from injury that game that
they won, game three damianlillard played defense and
that's how I knew he wanted itbecause he had, I believe, in
that game three had a couple ofblock shots in game three.

(01:23:33):
There he was getting after guysand I was like, all right, dame
wants to play, dame wants thisseries, he's just coming back
and he's playing harder thananybody else on the floor.
Yeah, he had two blocks on thegame there.
He was playing great and thenhe got banged up and he got hurt
and I it absolutely sucks liketo to be in the shoes.
That dame was, I mean, not justa basketball injury, but you're

(01:23:54):
talking about a life-threateninginjury that he had to start and
then he clears that, comes back, he does everything he can to
get back everything in his powerand bam, and it just, I mean,
man, I don't think anybody outthere deserves something like
that.
That was it just sucked, itjust absolutely sucks.
And man, man, oh man, I I dohope he comes back.

(01:24:17):
I really do.
I do hope he comes back becausethe comeback story of damian
lennon, I feel like it's goingto be something right, it's
going to be something exciting.
I just got that feeling right.
He's not done and he's going tocome back and he's going to
light the world on fire one moretime.
Now the question is is it inmilwaukee, is it elsewhere?
That's what we're gonna findout here.
Uh, coming up in this nextseason, this next offseason,
going in the next season andeverything like that.

(01:24:38):
So I mean any, any finaltouches.
You want to put a bow on thiskyle, anything with the bucks
here.
I know we're gonna talk morebucks here next week.
We're gonna get full,everything like that, stuff like
that.
But anything else you got tosay to wrap us up here.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
I mean, look, it's terrible how it ended this
season, but you got to remindyourself.
Not that long ago you were atthe top of the hill winning that
title and, as bad as it seemsright now, there's a lot of big
markets that haven't been ableto do that.
So it may stink right now, butpart of being a fan is you got

(01:25:18):
to be there when it's great andwhen it's not.
And, once again, as someonewho's a Celtics fan, plenty of
that I had to go through beforethat L8 title and even in the
years up until the one last year.
But that's what makes being afan so fun is going through the
highs and lows.
When it's at the low, you'regrasping onto every little

(01:25:42):
positive thing where you're justlooking at a young player and
going I like his game, I'llwatch it just for him, and then
you see that player develop.
Maybe they get moved out forsome superstar, but it stinks.
Now.
Better days are definitelywisconsin sports fandom.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
There's it's a cycle, and we're at the point where
we're just hoping for thebrewers to do something for us.
That's all right it.
We could be worse.
We could be the rockets.
The last time the rockets puttogether a good team, steph
curry ruined that.
Now Steph Curry's ruining itagain.
We'll see what happens there.
I mean bang, go get them, steph.
Like I said, I just dislike thePacers and I dislike the

(01:26:18):
Rockets.
Just watching both teams playjust absolutely drives me nuts
and I'm just hoping that Stephtakes care of the Rockets and
I'm hoping that the Cavs justabsolutely blow the Pacers out
of the water.
That is my hope.
Both those things happen there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
It would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
So Kyle's going to be back here.
We got MLB talk.
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So kyle's back here.
He he's my nba guy and when Iwant to talk some mlb, he's also
my guy for that too.
So we got some mlb talk comingup right now, kyle, I mean right
now around the league.
Who do we like?
Who are we liking right now?

(01:27:35):
Who are we, you know, high onat this very moment in the NL
and the AL?
Who you like in right nowbetween these teams?
I mean, right now I'm seeingthe Yankees up top in the, in
the in the AL East I see theTigers up top of the central and
the West.
We got the Mariners up topthere and then, surprisingly,
the Mariners up top.
We got the Mets up top in theEast in the NL, the Cubs in the

(01:27:58):
central and then the giants uptop in the West right now, tied
with the Dodgers there.
So what are you liking rightnow as you're looking around
those divisions?

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
I mean, look, I know West.
I think is interesting becauselike you look at the standings
it's like they're all justbeating up on the poor Rockies.
But one thing to watch theDodgers have kind of a crisis
with their starting, pitchingLike they're losing guys at an
alarming rate.
I think what Glassnow, snellare all hurt and I think they

(01:28:28):
only have like four activestarters.
Nice are all hurt and I thinkthey only have like four active
starters.
So it's like are they going tokind of slip a little bit?
But they're obviously going tobe a team that, if they are
healthy, will be contendersalong the way.
I mean, look, I'm a Red Sox fan.
Yes, I do live in the Atlantaarea.
The Braves are quietly turningtheir season around.

(01:28:50):
They started 0-7.
I think they're 8 of their last10 and 13 of their last 20 that
they've won.
They've gotten themselvessomewhat back into that race and
I think that's a scary thing tothink about because the Braves
have all the talent in the world.
They just dealt with someinjuries early on and some guys

(01:29:13):
getting off to slow starts, butif they get it going, I think
that division becomes Mets andBraves.
I think the Phillies.
I think there's some questionsabout them as well.
Um, you know the Central.
The Cubs are up there.
Look, the Central is thatdivision, I think, aln, nl.

(01:29:34):
You just never know, like youdon't want to count anybody out
of it right now, because you gettwo weeks of good baseball, you
find yourself at the top of thedivision.
So the Cubs have it right now.
I think it is, you know, kindof fun seeing the Reds up there.
You know Ellie and all that.
It's just good to see the Reds,like I said, up there playing

(01:29:58):
well, fine.
But you still got to wonder whodo you actually trust in this
division?
I would still lean on Cubs andBrewers, because we've seen
those two teams and the Redshave done this before start off
well, slowly fade away.
So I I feel like in the in theend it's going to be Cubs,
brewers fighting it out for thatdivision and usually the

(01:30:22):
Pirates are hanging out theretoo.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
You know, I mean the Pirates usually start a little
hotter than this.
So I'm kind of scared of thePirates.
They're going to go on thatopposite.
They're going gonna start outcold and then all of a sudden
turn it on after in august.
There I mean, yeah, you said abeautiful thing there.
And this is where a lot ofbrewer fans are at right now.
The brewers, they've lost Imean it's been ugly as of late
four of their last 10, as we'rerecording here on tuesday, of

(01:30:44):
course.
So just, I mean they're gonnabeat, I, they should, they
should beat the white socks.
They're winning seven to tworight now in the ace.
So they should have that win,so they should have another win
on that tally.
But they've struggled as oflate, struggled in that series
against giants, struggledagainst the cardinals.
I mean it's just been that kindof little stretch there.
And a lot of brewer fans I meanfreaking out, cubs are gonna

(01:31:05):
run away at the division.
I mean that's what they'retalking right now c Cubs are
going to run away with it.
Oh, my goodness, what are wegoing to do?
And you mentioned somethinggreat the Braves right Started
out 0-7.
Injuries galore.
Look at the Brewers pitchingstaff what they had in spring
training for a starting pitchingstaff versus what they had at

(01:31:26):
the start of the year.
They had one guy left freddie,that's it.
Who was chad patrick?
I mean, nobody knows this guy.
Who's chad patrick?
Who's tyler alexander?
Who's?
I mean they're bringing uplogan henderson.
Who's that guy?
Elvin rodriguez was pitching.
They're like I mean we'redigging to the bottom of the
barrel.
We're waiting for jose cantanato come back.
We're waiting for this guy andit's like waiting, waiting, wait
.
What are we gonna do?
Goodness gracious, and it'sjust.
I mean, we had to just breathe,just relax.

(01:31:47):
Christian Yelich, he's hittingnow.
He's got five bombs to his name.
He's been hitting well buthasn't really turned on the Jets
yet.
William Contreras hasn't beenhitting well.
Reese Hoskins is on a burner.
Reese Hoskins is burning upright now.
We've had injuries in theoutfield.
Now Garrett Mitchell getsbanged up again.
Jackson Turio is striking outleft and right.
I think he's only got two walkson the entire year.

(01:32:14):
There's a lot of things thathave to settle into place and
the bullpen hasn't been great.
There's a lot of things thathave to settle in right now.
Once they do, then we can freakout.
But until that happens, untilwe get you know past, what are
we at right now, after tonight'sgame?
They're at 29 games right now,so they'll be at 30.
As of tomorrow, they'll be at30 games in to an 162-game
season.
Let's dial it back, guys.
Let's chill, chill, take thatchill pill, relax, right, aaron

(01:32:37):
Rodgers, relax, we're okay.
I mean, am I off base Kyle?
I mean, dude, I love fandom.
I'm that same kind of fan.
I love to freak out with everyloss.
I love to get excited withevery win.
But I've come to the point, too, where it's like this is 162,
this is not.

(01:32:57):
This is not a sprint, this is a.
This is a marathon, this is a.
You're gonna walk at some pointand you're gonna get a drink of
water at some point and youmight have to sit down at some
point.
Like that is what this is.
It is not a, it is not.
We're just gonna run to thefinish line.
We're there's gonna be somebumps and bruises along the way.
Am I wrong with what I'm sayingthere?

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
No, because when I look at the baseball schedule
and the standings and everythingthere's three days you really
only care about the first time.
You should even think aboutpanicking.
Where is your team?
Memorial Day you get toMemorial Day weekend.
If you're in it, fine.
If you're like double-digitgames, out of it, maybe you

(01:33:32):
throw in the white towel.
Then after that July 4th youget to July 4th weekend, then
you take another look at whereyour team is and then the last
time you look is Labor Day,because by Labor Day you need to
start getting into playoff mode.
So we haven't gotten toMemorial Day yet.
The Brewers are still in it.

(01:33:54):
I wouldn't freak out and lookRed Sox start off slow, because
you even talk about Yelich.
Yelich is starting to hit.
Rafi Devers had a horrificstart to the season.
He's starting to get it going.
So it's too soon to try to comecome to conclusions on your
team right now because, yeah,the pitching staff is beat up,

(01:34:15):
but hey, some of these guys whoyou never heard of might make a
name for themselves and you lookeven better guys in the lineup.
They get hot, maybe with theweather getting warmer, you
never know.
So, yeah, no reason to panic.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
brewers fans right, and it's the summer of sal.
It's summer of sal, frelix, sowe're fine, it's just.
It's, that's what we're calling.
It's the summer of sal, and youknow what this?
There is one scary part.
I will say there's one scarypart.
I don't know if the nl centralis going to get a wild card team
, just because I look across therest of these teams right if

(01:34:49):
the mets continue to ball outright, the Phillies are
definitely going to be in it andso are the Braves.
So you got three teams rightthere are going to be cruising
in it.
You look at the West Giants,dodgers, padres, diamondbacks
are going to be right there.
So you have four teams that youcan realistically say could be
in a wildcard chase Cubs,brewers, maybe the Reds are

(01:35:13):
still dangling, but I don'tthink so.
But maybe right.
I mean I don't knowrealistically if the NL Central
does get two teams into theplayoffs.
So that's if you want to worry.
Maybe I'm worried about that,maybe I'm worried like we have
to win the division to get in.
I could see that I think the NLCentral is going to come down
to.
They have to win the divisionto get into the playoffs.
Just because I'm looking at therest of these teams and I don't
see the Phillies ending up as ateam way outside the wildcard

(01:35:35):
picture.
I don't see the Braves, theDodgers, definitely not.
Padres.
I don't see them finishingoutside the picture.
And the Diamondbacks are a darngood team.
So I think all those teamsGiants too They've been playing
good ball here to start theseason.
So been playing good ball hereto start the season.
So I think all these teams aregoing to be.
This is going to be, I think,out of all the years when I'm
looking at it early on if allgoes well, right for every team
and nobody gets hurt, which is,you know, knock on wood.

(01:35:57):
We don't pray for injury oranything, but I mean, if
everything goes according tothat kind of you know thing
there, I this could be a crazyyear for the nl.
This could be a really crazyyear, I don't know.
I I was going to look over theAL quick.
Like the AL, I don't Yankees,red Sox, eh, like right, and
then the Tigers and Guardians,and then Seattle and the Astros.

(01:36:17):
Like the AL isn't as crazy tome.
Like there isn't going to bethat much of a race for that
finish.
I think the AL is going to bean absolute gauntlet of a race.
I think at one point we'regonna look after the all-star
break and we're gonna look atthe wild card picture and
there's gonna be phillies,braves, reds, brewers, dodgers,

(01:36:37):
padres down there's gonna beprobably seven or eight teams
alive in the wild card race.
And that is nuts.
That is nuts.
That doesn't just happen.
That's crazy.
That's craziness right there.
So I mean, what do you think,kyle?
You think it's gonna be a crazyrace to the finish here?
That's craziness right there.
So I mean, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
kyle, you think it's gonna be a crazy race to the
finish here, yeah, and like Isaid, even with that, I would
save probably that for july 4thto really start thinking,
because, look, there's a goodchance that you have four teams
in the nls that are likecompeting right now there, there
, there might be one of thoseteams that falls off because the
other three start beating themup and they fall a little bit

(01:37:11):
out of it.
So I think for the brewersyou're like your path might be.
You know, three teams out ofthe west, two from your division
and then two from the nles.
That's your hope yep nowsomebody can spoil that
obviously, because let's say itis Mets and Braves and then the

(01:37:32):
Phillies kind of turn theirseason back around.
That could play spoiler or,like the Diamondbacks, actually
stay in it a little bit longer.
So I think, ultimately I thinkthey will get a wild card, even
if it's like the last wild card.
But yeah, I'm expecting likeLabor Day, looking at this and
seeing six, seven teamsseparated by a game, game and a

(01:37:53):
half, or something like that.
I think that's where we'reheading in the NL AL, I agree is
a little bit more defined as towho the better teams are versus
the not so good.
With a couple of exceptions,the Rays are playing much better
uh, it was a little yankeestadium that they're playing in

(01:38:15):
and the a's I feel like the a'shave talent.
So if they were to hang aroundI I guess I wouldn't be
surprised by that.
But the al west is so weirdthat the manners are leading it
now, but they did this last yearand then the astros had to come
from the bottom and and passthem.
The astros are actually justhanging around right now and

(01:38:36):
this isn't even like a greatastros team.
So I think of both sidesthere'll be some great races,
but I do think the nl will bethe more compelling race when we
get to september I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
I don't know what labor day is, because I don't
get a labor day, but like,that's cool, that's cool, we'll
just say, yeah, first week ofseptember, that's first week of
september.
There you go, hey, you'll makeme feel better.
Make me feel better so yeah, Imean it's going to be an
exciting race there.
I want to talk a little brewershere.
We're gonna talk.
Start talking a little brewersand talk a little brewers here.
On the last backside of thislast break here, but thought so,

(01:39:10):
pat Murphy pulls Sal Frelickand he pulls Durbin out of a
game here against the Giants.
There's a couple errors thathappened.
It was just gross baseball thatthey played in San Francisco
and Pat Murphy pulled Frelickand Durbin out.
He said these guys, they'regamers, they're better than this
.
I love that.
I saw somebody on Facebook Ibelieve they were telling me

(01:39:30):
that.
You know, wow, why would you dothat?
Two of your best players,you're going to pull them out of
a game.
You're right, two of the betterplayers, right.
But I think Pat Murphy runs thisthing like it's a well-knit
team and when two of the piecesof that team ain't working and
they're slacking off or they'renot competing or they're not
doing something right, the restof it's going to fail along with

(01:39:52):
them.
You sit them down.
They're both still young guys.
You sit them down.
You say, hey, this is whathappens.
I can start you just as fast asI can sit you.
I expect you can't expectperfection, because nobody's
perfection right, but you canexpect their best and what you
know that they can do and simple, common, like mistakes.

(01:40:13):
Sometimes that can happen andyou want to nip that in the bud
as fast as you possibly can.
So I agree with Pat Murphypulling them and sitting them
down and saying, all right, I'msending a message.
I want to send a message, andthat's the thing too, is that
these I mean Frelick's beenfantastic this season hitting
the baseball and durbin's beengreat since coming up.

(01:40:34):
Another thing that you provewith that is I don't care who
you are right, I don't, I Iwould sit.
Yellich, he starts, he misses aball.
He missed that ball in theoutfield against the giants it's
.
I mean you gotta, you gottasend that message like hey, we
got to focus, we got to pull ittogether and write the ship,

(01:40:54):
because when that whole crap wasgoing on right, they went on
that little bit of a losingstreak there and it was just
terrible baseball I meandefensively, some of the worst
baseball.
Pat Murphy said it some of theworst baseball he's seen in 10
years of this team.
You need your veterans to comein and say all right, guys, we
got to right this ship.
What are we going to do?
How are we going to fix thisright?
Because that's what I feel likethis team's missing at times

(01:41:16):
right now is that constantleader to show them hey, this is
what we got to do, this iswhere we got to get to right.
Reese hoskins, yellichcontraris, in that locker room,
in everybody's ears, tellingthem hey, this is where we got
to be right.
That's what I need to see outof this team right now and
that's where I feel like PatMurphy was trying to tell them
guys, all right, let's figure itout.
So I mean, kyle, what do youthink?
Do you like the message thatPat Murphy was trying to send

(01:41:38):
there by benching those two guys?

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
Yeah, absolutely.
When you look at any coach,manager, whatever, you got to
set the tone, you got to set thetone, you got to set standards,
you got to establish theculture.
And when you're dealing with162 games, one bad habit from
one player can seep into anotherplayer and then you go from one
off day to a week to two weeksand you find yourself way out of

(01:42:04):
it.
So it's either you kind of nipit in the bud early, hopefully
you turn it around, and yeah,other guys on the team who may
be a utility guy waiting fortheir one or two days every
couple of weeks, will see thatoh, he's not going to let the
star players or the betterplayers on his team slip.

(01:42:24):
That means I can't do itbecause they're more expendable
than I am.
So if I do it, I could be AAAor something, and that will make
the other guys hold each otheraccountable as well, because the
guys see what the manager wantsthem to do.
Your leaders on the team, ifthey see a guy slipping, it may

(01:42:47):
not even have to get to themanager.
They can pull him aside and belike look, you know what you're
doing is not right.
We've got to get it togetherwe're trying to win something,
we're trying to make some noisecome October.
So I love when managers do that.
Unfortunately, it seems like intoday's sports culture, where
sometimes coaches and managersfeel like their hands are tied

(01:43:08):
behind their back because theathletes have a lot of power
with the money that they make.
So it also shows that he's alsocomfortable enough with the
front office giving him thatpower to sit a guy that sure
might have to be a star on thisteam, but they're not going to
sit there and overreact and belike, oh what are you doing with
this group?

(01:43:28):
Like I love seeing that.
It's stuff that you know guysneed to do a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
I agree, I agree, and Pat Murphy's an old dude so he
doesn't care.
What are they going to do fire?

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
him, he'll go back home.
My old school mentality, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
Right, see you later.
You want to fire?
We're going to come back hereafter the break.
We're going to wrap it up forthe day here.
We've got a little bit moreBrewer Talk here, some quick
updates and everything like that.
I've got one more question forKyle and then we're going to
wrap it up for the day here.
So we'll be right back here onWisconsin Sports on the Go with
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So we went into the break.
We were talking Brewers alittle bit there.
Just some tidbits I wanted togo over here.
Injury update report AaronSavallee started throwing live
BP in Appleton, so that's greatnews there getting Aaron
Savallee back up and throwingthere.

(01:45:08):
Aaron Ashby's throwing anArizona through two innings of
live hitters there.
Not many people excited aboutgetting Aaron Ashby back, but I
mean it's another pitcher, so beexcited there a little bit
because we don't have a lot ofthem to talk about.
Brandon Woodruff threw a great.
He had 61 pitches through fiveinnings.
He was fantastic in his lastouting at Nashville Mechanics

(01:45:29):
health standpoint great.
One problem One problem he wastired.
He was extremely tired comingout of the game.
He hasn't pitched really a lotsince 2023.
So if you want to say like, ohmy God, why is he tired?
He hasn't really pitched a lotsince 2023, since he got hurt.
So I mean mean it's tough, itis really tough to come back

(01:45:51):
from that.
So there is still a little bitof a recovery that's still got
to happen here for brandonwoodrow, because you can't come
up to the big league level andonly throw 61 pitches as a
starter and be tired, likethat's not going to work out too
well.
So they're going to keepbuilding them up right.
Five innings was great, 61pitches, nothing of his
mechanics, his mechanics,velocity, everything like that
was off, like he feels good.
It's just he's tired and andthat's going to come with it, so

(01:46:14):
it's a slow recovery and he, hehasn't I mean, he hasn't been
back on the mound for theBrewers since 23rd, 22, 2023.
So it's been a long time.
So I mean, just wait and seewith it.
Just wait and see with it.
So brandon woodruff, on thatslow comeback trailer, gary
mitchell is going to be backhere as soon as possible, right?
So the brewers, they're bangedup right now.

(01:46:34):
They got some banged up guys,but slowly getting some good
news out of some of these guys.
So that's some good stuff there.
Uh, kyle, I had one morequestion for you.
We got a couple minutes herebefore we got to wrap it up.
I was talking to ummer earlierand we're talking about the
draft and mel kuyper absolutelyI, I and this I'm gonna say
making an absolute fool ofhimself across dspn for multiple

(01:46:57):
days now it's been like threedays and he is just making an
absolute fool of himself.
Reese davis finally had enoughstones out of anybody to finally
put his foot down and say like,dude, stop.
And I I love that when him andreese were going back, for the
reese is just like I I don'tknow what else you want me to
say.
Like we're not arguing with you, mel, we're not arguing with
you, we're just telling you likenow he's got to prove it.
What are your thoughts on meland his this whole?

(01:47:19):
He's spits bad.
He's having about your doorsanders and how he should have
been drafted higher, and the mlor the nfl has no idea what
they're doing.
Even though that, why is MelKiper not a part of the NFL?
Why is he not in NFL?
You know any one of the scoutsfor any one of these teams why
is he not getting paid big money?
I don't know why, becauseapparently he knows more in the
NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
So, kyle, give me your thoughts on Mel so far
there's a reason why Mel doesn'twork for a team, because Mel
also thought Jimmy Claussen wasa no doubt about it like QB star
and we saw what happened withhis career.
And look the Shador Sandersstuff like I've talked about on

(01:47:59):
other shows.
It's just like the ColoradoBuffaloes were non-existent
until Deion got there, broughtsome culture, brought
celebrities and some fringecollege football.
So even probably people whodon't know a thing about college
football Colorado became theirteam.
So a lot of fans, as we'll say,like they might have liked the

(01:48:22):
NFL, didn't really get intocollege football until Shador
and all of them turned it intolike Hollywood.
They kind of overrated Shadorand all of them turn it into
like Hollywood.
They kind of overrated Shador.
And I think Mel did the samething and maybe it's something
where Mel maybe knows Dionpersonally or had a or ran in

(01:48:42):
with him, thinks he's a nice guy, so maybe he overinflated
Shador.
Plus he does mock drafts.
He doesn't want to look like anidiot.
Because he mocked Shador to thefirst round, he goes in the
fifth round so he's going tofight on that hill.
He would fight on that hill fortwo weeks if the draft was two
weeks long.
So my whole thing has been hewent in the fifth round.

(01:49:03):
A lot of people don't think heshould have.
He heard his name called Get towork now.
Beat out Dylan Gabriel, beatout Kenny Pickett, you know, be
Joe Flacco's backup and thenultimately take the job away
from him.
If that happens, who careswhere he was drafted?
Tom Brady was in the sixthround.

(01:49:25):
He turned into a pretty goodplayer.
Brock Purdy was Mr Irrelevant.
Look what he did for his career.
He turned into a pretty goodplayer.
Brock Purdy was Mr Irrelevant.
Look what he did for his career.
So you take that, motivateyourself, get to work Now yeah,
so Mel Kiper needs to chillAgreed Just because he was wrong
.
It's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
Drop that mic on him, Kyle.
Drop it Bam bam.
Take some of that, Mel.
Take some of that.
He should just be let go.
I'm done with mel.
I'm done with mel there on espn.
They can find many differentguys to listen to there, but hey
kyle.
Thank you, as always, forstopping by a little extra kyle
tonight here with all kinds ofstuff we want to talk about
tonight here.
It was great having kyle on.
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