Wisconsin Sports Roundup: Packers Draft Week, Brewers Heating Up, Bucks Playoff Struggles

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I'm your host, trage.
It is april 23rd, we're at theend of april, it is draft time.
The brewers are just, we'rehoping, heating up right.

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We got badger football is,spring showcase just happened.
Goodness, we just have allkinds of stuff happening over
this last week and going intothis weekend.
Goodness gracious, it is just aloaded up weekend.
So we are here.
We are here to talk about itall.
We're here to talk about it alltonight.
We got umber coming out.
We're gonna talk packers here inthe first part of the show.
Talk packers, get ready for thedraft, what we're hoping to see

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, what we're expecting to see.
So we got that going on.
We got kyle coming on.
Later we'll be talking bucks,bucks pacers, because right now
it is not looking great, butwe're going to talk Bucks Pacers
.
See if Kyle thinks, hey, maybethere's a shot, right, maybe
there's a shot.
We got Rajiv is supposed to beon.
If not, we might change it up.
Maybe we'll get scary on it.
Not yet, we'll see what happensthere.
So we got a loaded up show.

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Regardless, we got a loaded upshow and we can't wait to get to
it all night here to talksports here on this Wednesday.
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I mean we got rain coming upthis week, hopefully able to get
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So, anyways, coming off theweekend I had one thing that
kind of you know, I would startthe show with what was grinding
my gears, right, what wasgrinding my gears coming off the
weekend?
And one of the biggest thingthat's been grinding my gears, I

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guess you could say, is Ialways go on the ESPN app or MLB
, wherever it is, and you wouldbelieve that there was only
three teams in all of MajorLeague Baseball.
It's Yankees, dodgers, I meanMets, that's who they're talking
about all the time, right?
Maybe not even the Mets attimes, it's just Dodgers,

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yankees, for sure, right, allthe time.
There's never.
Hey, look at Sal Froelich, he'sbatting what 340-something
right now.
There's never a mention aboutthat.
Nobody even notices right?
The other day I was so surprisedI saw on the MLB Network.
They were talking about theirtop rookies or whatever, and it
was Chad Patrick.
Right, chad Patrick was onthere.
I was like wow, I can't believethey gave him that much

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recognition.
Right, it drives me nuts, itreally does.
It drives me nuts because wetalk about small market teams,
right, and how you givepublicity or how you get you
know small markets more show.
Right, and an easy way put themin front of more eyeballs.
Not everybody wants to watch theYankees as much as MLB and as

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much as these.
You know the big groups.
They want to push that on youright, boom, boom, boom.
You got to watch the Yankees.
Nobody does, nobody cares,right?
I would rather sit there and Ilove watching.
You know, the Brewers, right?
I mean, we all love watchingthe Brewers, right, but I'd love
to see the Brewers take on theSan Francisco Giants every once
in a while.
Something Give me, something theYankees Give me.

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The Yankees versus some randomteam on a Sunday night, I could
care less.
Sunday night, baseball is kindof the wind downhill for me, and
that's because they just putthe same darn teams on there all
the time.
I don't care, You're hittingone market, you're not hitting
all the markets.
Put more of these small marketteams in front of eyes.
Put it in front of eyes.
It's like March Madness Nobodyknows about UNBC or anybody from

(04:54):
UNBC until they go to thetournament and then they're like
, oh my goodness, look at thisteam.
Like I want to root for thisteam.
That's that's where I'm at withthese guys.
Give me the teams that we wantto see.
You know, not, I shouldn't saythat we all want to see, right,
but spread it out a little bit.
Spread the love.
I, I don't know that grinds mygears.

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Maybe it's just, maybe it'sjust me, maybe it's just me, but
I, just, I, I look all over,you know, social media or
wherever, and all these bigoutfits, the MLB app, map, that
bad app, and all that, and it'sYankees, this, dodgers, this,
everything like that.
It's like I don't care, right,I'm not clicking that, I don't
care.
The Shohei Otani and I alwaysget a lot of grief for this one

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from everybody, but I've neverbeen on the Shohei Otani hype.
I thought it was the 50-50 clubwas cool for a day.
And I thought it was the 50-50club was cool for a day and then
it got annoying and hearingabout it every single day.
Just drove me nuts, drove menuts.
So, yeah, that's how I am.

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I want to hear about goodbaseball, who's doing good, not
just one team just becausethey're the Yankees, not just
this team because they're theDodgers.
That's just me, I guess, Idon't know.
So, yeah, that's kind ofgrinding my gears off the
weekend.
Might've not made sense toanybody out there, but for me
it's grinding my gears.
That big, the big market teamswe put them everywhere, we
plaster them up on billboards,but small market teams, it's

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like exist.
Don't put them in front of theeyeballs, don't give them
stories.
There's stories in these smallmarket teams.
You just don't search for them.
None of these beat writers, thebig beat writers, search for
them.
They don't care, right, theydon't, and that's that's my
problem.
That's my big problem withmajor league baseball.
So, yeah, that's what I'm gonnaadd.
That's kind of my gears off theweekend there.

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So, hey, I mean, goodness, wegot lots going on today.
We're gonna be talking, like Isaid, coming up here in this
hour.
We're going to talk packerswith umber.
That's going to take a littlebit right.
That's gonna probably take thewhole hour.
Holy goodness, that's gonnatake the whole hour.
We got packer talk, draft talkwhat goody had to say.
Everything like that's wherewe're talking that.
We got kyle coming out.
Later we'll be talking bucks.
We got rajiv or scary I don'tknow who's coming out later on

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tonight here, but we got one ofthose two coming on to talk
Badgers later on.
We got Brewer talk later on inthe show.
We got all kinds of stuff.
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So we went to the break there,first part of the show.
I was telling you guys what'sbeen grinding my gears as of
late.
What was grinding my gearscoming off the weekend there.
Now we got other with ustonight.

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Here we're going to be talkingPackers because the draft we got
the draft coming up this week.
We are stoked.
It's in green Bay for the oneone and probably only time
they'll ever have it in greenBay, because that's just how it
goes right.
I can't.
It actually surprised me whenthey said it was the only time
that it's ever been in Green Bay.
Like I had to double check that.
I was like really, likeTitletown, usa, that's, you

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don't have the draft here ever.
And it's true, it's only beenonce and this is going to be the
one time.
So it should be a spectacle, itshould be something to behold.
There Can't wait to see thesight sounds everything like
that.
I'm probably not going to goover there just because it's
going to be madness.
And well, my son, he's only acouple months, he's like a month
old now, so he can't reallytravel to Green Bay.
So well, anyways, anyways,enough about that, ummer.

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How are we doing tonight?
It's Wednesday, we're excited,draft's coming up here.
What do you got for me tonight?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Man, I'm awesome.
Man, I am really, reallylooking forward to this.
It feels like it was justyesterday.
It was January.
I had no idea who was comingout.
I was still reeling over theloss or the Eagles, and I was,
like man, I got to again preparemyself for these amazing
college students that are goingto come into the NFL and live
out their dreams.

(10:00):
And, man, I'm just I'm, I'mexcited, I'm extremely excited.
Their dreams and man, I'm justI'm, I'm excited, I'm extremely
excited.
Um, hearing gudikunz today, uh,gave me not much more or less
insight.
I think all of us know exactlywhat he does.
He's very much keeps thingsclose to the chest, uh.
But I'm good though, I'm good.
How are you doing, man?
And congratulations again onthe one month old there, I know
how that goes, man, you're gonnabe in for the, you're gonna be

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in for the fun time here it'sthe fun.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's the fun right now.
He doesn't.
He likes.
He likes to sleep when you'reholding him.
Does not like to sleep whenhe's laying down.
The bass is his.
It's like his enemy is thatbassinet.
He hates that thing.
But tell you what you pick himup for a while done, knocks out
he's like just sleeping there.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
wait for those times where you have you're watching
tv and you have him on yourchest and then both of you just
pass out.
I'm going to tell you right nowthat's the best sleep you're
ever going to get in your life.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
He loves the Brewers and River Monsters.
I've been on a River Monsterskick as of late.
Here We've been watching allthe episodes.
Jeremy Wade is like the onlyreason that show went away was
because he caught every fishthat you could possibly catch.
Goodness, but I mean mean he'sfantastic.
So, like he loves that show,though crank his head around,
he's watching what's going onthere.
I'm like, yes, sir, we're goingfishing.

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That's gonna be your first,first birthday.
We're going fishing.
So that's all I know.
That's all I know right there.
So, yeah, you mentioned itthere.
Brian gutekens spoke to themedia today.
We learned absolutely nothing.
Basically, yeah, we know theonly thing.
I guess the only thing we couldsay that we maybe learned was
we're still looking to trade jayalexander, yeah, which I found

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I I don't know what to believeanymore, because we have jordan
love going on the up and adamsshow there and he says he's
definitely a player we need back.
When talking about jayalexander and just speaking high
praise to him, jai, he's gothis own world going on said love
, who's entering?
You know, blah, blah, we'll lethim handle his business.
That's my guy right there.

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Yeah, he wants him back, butI'm almost 99 sure that goody's
sending him off the door.
So I guess goody's just likeI'm gonna run this business.
I'm not gonna really take myplayers' words into account.
But Josh Jacobs, are we nottaking his words into account
anymore?
Because Josh Jacobs when in theoffseason said we need more

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weapons, I mean it's you gotta.
I don't want to get to thepoint where we're listening to
the players too much, right,because I think that gets into
problems.
That's my biggest problem withthe Bucs.
I think we listen to Giannistoo much because Giannis has got
how many coaches fired when wethink it's the coach's fault.
Well, at some point you got tostop listening to the players.
Rodgers got all fired up forthe longest time.

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Could he have used weapons?
I don't know, it depends whoyou ask, but outside of that
it's one of Listening to theplayers and getting to invest in
it.
Goody's got to do what hethinks is best for the football
team that he's running Now.
Is that going to be the bestthing for them?
To move on from JD Alexander?
We've talked about it.
I don't know.
I don't know If he stayshealthy.

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No, because when he's healthyhe's one of the best in football
.
But he's been hurt.
So if you could get somethingfor him, maybe it's not the
worst.
Now I I really do think thebest you can do for him in a
trade package is you're notgoing to get a pick for this
year.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah you're gonna get awesome.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, it might be tough, yeah I think it's gonna
be next year and I think it'sgonna be one of those okay, if
he plays eight games, it's afifth round pick.
If he plays nine games, it's afourth round pick.
If he plays 11 games, it's afifth round pick.
If he plays nine games, it's afourth round pick.
If he plays 11 games, okay, nowit's a third round pick.
If he plays every game, okay,now it's a first round pick.
It's going to be one of themcontingency picks where it's
like he's got to play for us,for you guys, to get a higher

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draft pick, to get that capital.
I think that's kind of whereit's going to be leaning right
now.
I mean, where are we lookingright now?
Jair Alexander, with thisPackers team, goody says he's
out the door.
Love wants to keep him.
We kind of want to keep him inGreen Bay if he's healthy and
can play, but at the same time,when's enough enough and you
just move on from the guy.
We just keep throwing himaround right now.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, I think when it comes to Jair Alexander I mean
Goody said it best he goes, he'son our team right now, right,
and that's normally a clear signof like, okay, well, we're
gonna wait to see how the draftplays out.
I'm pretty sure their plan isto move him.
I know jordan wants it backbecause jordan knows, like you
know, jair is a leader on thisteam.
He, when he's out there, he isloved and liked by all the
teammates.
It was, even if you hear thebeat writers.
Not a single player came outand was questioning jair's

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motives or motivation or his,his thought process on why he
wasn't playing.
Everyone knew that he was doingeverything he could to be out
there, right, and so I think youknow you can take your players
input as much as you can, but asa GM you gotta figure out what
you think is best for a team,and maybe he's looking at it
where, like a lot of times thePackers do, we should get out a
year earlier than a year toolate, right, and maybe this year

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.
Last year was a year too late,even though he was playing
pretty darn well until he messedup his knee at Jacksonville,
and so against Jacksonville,sorry, and so for me I can see
him being moved, probably duringthe draft.
I'm still holding out hope thathe gets moved to Baltimore.
I mean I want him on the team.
Like, don't get me wrong, if wecan keep him and he's happy and
not disgruntled and he wants toplay, then I think that's the

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best thing for us and for him.
Now, if he wants to be gone,then set him somewhere where
he'd want to go and thrive,preferably AFC and hopefully
with the Baltimore Ravens, toplay with Lamar.
It's one of those things whereI think Goody can't say too much
, because he's at a point nowwith Jair where everybody knows
that there's an impasse comingright and so people are like,

(15:30):
well, we can either give him aseventh or a sixth round pick
this year or next year and gethim, or we can just wait for
them to cut him, because eitherway he's going to be available.
The question is are teams goingto want to invest any draft
capital to get him now and not?

Speaker 2 (15:48):
have to fight for him against other teams and free
agency.
Yeah, no, I agree, and you know, it made it worse last year for
fans was the fact that we hadno depth.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
There was nobody else out there at the quarterback,
if you had guys in there whocould fill.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
If you were like, oh you know, ballantyne or
Valentine were way ahead of theeight ball there, you'd been
fine.
If you had Nate Hobbs, youprobably would have been fine,
but you didn't and you werestuck.
Okay, jair's out.
Now what Right?
Keyshawn Nixon gets thrown outthere.
We're moving guys around,bullard's getting thrown around.
It's like we can't find guysstaying there consistently.
That's a problem too isinjuries, and injuries did not

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help the situation at all.
But the biggest kicker for me,the defensive line, the rush,
the pass rush was absolutelyatrocious.
If you have a terrible passrush, your secondary is going to
look like garbage.
That's just plain and simple.
You can't in the NFL today.
There is no Revis Island.
There is no lockdown cornersanymore.
There's good corners, they canstick with a guy for a little

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bit, but you give them eight,nine, 10 seconds to run around
out there, they're going to bustopen at some point.
You look at the Eagles I knowwe've talked about before with
Cooper Dijon.
Right, he would have been goodwherever he went.
He's a good, he's a greatplayer.
Yeah, but you put him in GreenBay I can't say that big as what

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it was in Philadelphia whyPhilly could drop back seven
because they could rush four andget heat.
The Packers had to bring six orseven just to get pressure on
the quarterback and not evengood pressure at times.
Just oh, I got to step up inthe pocket kind of pressure.
That's not pressure.
That's where we were talkingabout PFF a little earlier
before we came on here.
That's where I hate the PFF andthey grade pressures, because
when I look at the pressurescore that they give, it's like
no, no, that doesn't.

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That's not pressure.
Stepping up in the pocket isnot pressure.
Putting a quarterback in somuch distress he's got to run
out of the pocket and bail,that's pressure incomplete
passes, interceptors, turnovers,things like that.
Like I completely agree, sambarnold was never under pressure
from the green bay packers.
This last season he had to stepup in the pocket a few times.
That was it.
That was it.

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So I'm looking at it and I'mlike I want Jair back for that
fact.
But they have something thatthey got to do first, and that
is upgrade the pass rush room.
I don't care what you have todo, you have to find somebody
out there.
I don't know if it's going tobe oh, we get this, we bring in
a new defensive line coach.
Maybe that fixes something.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
I think that's what they're thinking.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
That's what they're hoping, I mean it's a hope, but
I think that's also Goody sayingI don't want Lucas Van Ness to
be a bust.
I don't want this guy to be abust.
I need these guys to work outfor my sake, not for everybody
else, because we talked aboutthis before too and we're going

(18:27):
to get into the draft here in aminute.
But Goody tries to be thesmartest guy in the room and for
once he's just got to go intothis draft and just say who is
the best dude available at 23?
That's what he's got to do, notLucas Van Ness.
He looks like Tarzan but heplays like Jane.
He could be this guy, but he'snot.
He's not yet.
Oh well, could be this guy, buthe's not.

(18:48):
He's not yet.
Oh well, he could be in thefirst round.
I don't want could be's, I wantthis dude's a stud.
We were lucky to get edgar andcooper in the second round,
because that dude is a firstround talent that they got in
the second round.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
He mocked in the first round too like he was yeah
he's a good player, yeah eric100.
He says the whole like tarzan,looks like tarzan, plays like
jane, and I hate to say the lvndefinitely fits that role,
because, you know, that was good.
He actually was asked aboutthat today and it was one of
those things where they talkedabout.
Well, you know, he didn't playvery much in college.

(19:19):
I'm like, okay, that's fine.
He's been in the league now fortwo years and really he hasn't
taken that jump and you werehaving some high expectations of
that if you're going to takehim in a top 15 pick in the
first round.
And then, of course, he makesthe comments today about where
first round picks aren'texpected to be immediate
contributors, and we had talkedabout this earlier, where I said
that is the old way of doingthings.

(19:40):
That was the way of the early2000s, and nowadays, when you're
drafting first-round talents,you're not drafting a project.
You may get a project in theend of the first round, but

(20:00):
normally you're drafting a guyin the first 20 picks.
You want aaron rogers, who wasjust coming off a a new season
with a new coach, and then hehad an mvp season after that,
two years after that, but thedifference was, though, like he
was a quarterback that neededtime to develop, which makes
sense.
I feel like other positionswithin on the team, you don't
really need that much time todevelop.
I guess right, because being arunning back, being off his

(20:22):
alignment, maybe tight end, isone that would require some time
.
I just feel like I've seenrookie players in all positions
to include quarterbacks, to beable to come in and hit the
ground running right, and Idon't feel like it's like you
were.
You'd mentioned this previously.
I don't feel like it's fair tothe team or to us as fans, where
, hey, we're drafting this guyand we think he's going to be

(20:44):
good in three, four years,because it's like, okay, that's
great, but then if you're nothitting on your drafts before
that, guess what?
Now you're starting to slip upand the investments two, three
years ago they're not comingthrough.
Now you're really behind theeight ball, and I know we're
going to probably get into thathere a little bit more on the
draft stuff, because I can'twait to talk about just where

(21:06):
we're going to go with thisdraft that's coming up here
tomorrow.
Where, wow, how are they goingto attack?
Because we don't have positionsof need, but we do have
positions that do need aninfusion of talent.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yep, no, I would agree, and you mentioned it
great there.
The reach for talent Yep, no, Iwould agree, and you mentioned
it great there, the reach fortalents.
When you have the 13th pick inthe 2023 draft, you don't go
with a guy like you stated there, like Goody stated Well, he
didn't play a lot in college whyyou draft him with the 13th
pick then, if he didn't play alot in college?

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I don't want projects .

Speaker 2 (21:39):
When I'm picking 13th in the NFL draft, I don't want
a project, I want to do it.
Insert, plug, play, go, get him.
And maybe he's not going to belike all-star, he's not going to
be like Hall of Famer year one,but I expect him at some point.
Unless if I bust him likeunless I got a bust he's going
to end up being that guy andthat's where I think he's had a
problem and we could go over theyears and there's a lot of

(22:01):
problems with drafts so far forhim.
So we got more to get into.
We're going to talk draft whenwe come back here.
Umber's gonna be back here onthe back side.
We got draft talk about, sowe'll be back here right after
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Hopefully, right saturday lookslike some sun.
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So we went to the break.
We were talking packers, wewere hot and running about
random stuff with the packershere, but we got draft to talk
about, because this nfl draftgoing up here in green bay for
the first time ever, right, andthe biggest question was what do
you feel the Packers are goingto do?
Right, they have a lot ofoptions.

(23:26):
There's a lot of option.
23rd pick there's a lot ofteams who want that 23rd pick.
There's a lot of teams who wouldlove to get that.
So you're going to stay put,you're going to move up, you're
going to move back.
What are you going to do?
So if you were the Packers andyou're sitting there right now
Brian Gutekinds is sitting,probably in his recliner right
now, probably not.
He's probably freaking outbecause he's got to make

(23:47):
something happen here in thefirst round.
What are you thinking?
You know, am I fielding phonecalls and saying to them you're
probably fielding them, but ifsomebody says let's just say
whoever would call, right, sayhey, you know, I'd really love
to move up in the draft.
You can move back to 25.
I'll move up.
Would you field that phone call?

(24:09):
Are you moving back in thisdraft?
Are you moving up?
What are you thinking right now?

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I think Goody answered it really well today
where he said that when it comesto your time to pick, you have
two options and it's kind oflike okay, we have a guy that we
want to pick at this pick or wecould trade back, gather more
picks and then hopefully stillget that same guy in a later
pick right.
And for me personally, I feellike if there is a guy there who
I think is going to help mepersonally, is going to help

(24:38):
contribute now, like I'mthinking Emika Mbuka from Ohio
State, if he's there, if DerekHarmon is there, if Trey Amos, I
would feel like we could tradeback and still get him.
But my two guys in the firstround that I really, really want
would be either, would bereally just Ibuka.
I love Ibuka to death.
I think he is a Packer playerthrough and through.

(25:00):
I think he is an all-scholasticplayer at Ohio State.
Also, he is uberly talented.
We have yet to see really anyreceivers coming out.
How is they fall on their face?
Every single one of them hasbeen pretty damn good and uh,
I'm taking, I'm going receiving.
The reason why I'm going toreceive.
I know that's been a hot topicsince javon walker in 2001 was

(25:21):
the last time he drafted a firstround pick for a wide receiver.
The reason why is because youhave a lot of guys who are
pretty good in the wide receiverroom but you don't have A.
If you don't re-sign Watson andyou don't re-sign Dobbs now,
you're out two players right,because with Watson he's not
going to be back until week 12.
Dobbs has all the concussionhistory now which you don't know

(25:51):
what's going to happen with him.
So I'm trying to infuse thatroom with new talent.
I like I do like Ibuka.
I love Jaden Higgins, who Ihave Ohio State, ohio State.
Both guys are incrediblytalented.
Higgins is the senior bowl guyalso.
I mean, the things that cameout about him are just
absolutely amazing high catchrate, just like mbuka and just
just a really talented kid.
And so right there, those twopicks would would be okay with

(26:14):
and of course, derrick carmenout of oregon, who um would be.
I hate to say it.
I'm hoping kenny clark neverleaves green bay and he'll
always play in green bay.
But if we're looking to getmore and more talent on the
defense line, if you just losttj slanton, I get a guy like
harman because he can play.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
He's he's one of the best pass rushing defense
tackles in this draft that isexactly where I was leaning and
I'm glad you finished with thatone.
I I love the wide receiver.
I god.
I really want to take and Iknow know they were talking
about McMillan there too from.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
I didn't mention him.
Was he out of Arizona?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
there, where's he out of?

Speaker 3 (26:50):
He's Arizona and he like I guess he had a private
workout and supposedly Gutekunstwas the only GM there, but I
think the other guy was theretoo.
He was in for a top all theseguys were in for top 30 visits
and he's considered to be one ofthe best receivers in the draft
.
For him to come all the waydown to 23, I don't think you
can but run up and run up thatcard and I'm more better,

(27:14):
smarter people than me, likebrennan rup and ben fennel and
hayden winks and all those guysand, to go, brian mafia, all
those dudes.
They know better than I doabout that guy and they love him
to death.
They all think he's an amazingtalent.
So I'm with you.
He's, he's, he's a dude thatyou can't say no to the only way
I can say no.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
This is one way I I love harman and I love green too
.
Mike green edge from marshall,there I watching his green he is
a bull rusher and they have himdropping to 27.
I saw this one mock drafttannenbaum did it, I think and
he had him down at 27.
I don't know if he's gonna dropthat far, but if he were to
drop that far, I don't know howyou say no, I don't know how you
yeah pass up on a guy like that, because my thing is, I look at

(27:55):
these teams and I look at you.
Know what makes a defensive lineit's interior out?
You got to have the centerfigured out first, right, and
and I look at guys like AaronDonald and I look at guys Now.
You got Jalen Carter for theEagles out there.
Even though I don't like him,he's still a fantastic talent.
Chris Jones for the Chiefsthey're fantastic and that's
what you need.
You got to figure out theinside.

(28:16):
Kenny Clark was atrocious lastyear.
I love him.
I love him to death, but hejust was not it.
Devontae Wyatt according toGoodikens, he's going to
exercise all the options.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
I saw that.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Walker Devontae.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Wyatt.
I think Devontae Wyatt's got aton of upside.
I don't think he's reached ityet.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Stay, healthy Stay healthy this season.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Maybe he can find it.
So you're hoping that he'sgoing to be the guy of the
future.
Kenny Clark going to be on hisway out right at some point here
.
So we're looking who's going tobe the next guy in right and
that's where I think you bringin a guy like harman now.
Maybe you can fill in that spotnow.
Would it be crazy to go withabuka there?
I don't think so, because youare also looking at, like you
said, a banged up wide receiverroom.

(28:57):
You don't know what you got.
You brought in mccall hardman.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
You still don't know what you got fourth guy yeah,
he's not out there getting likestarter snaps yeah exactly, no,
exactly.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
You don't know what you got in the room at all at
this point here so yes, I thinkyou need a target there.
If Ibuka comes up in the 23, Idon't know how you don't say yes
to that Maybe Green Bay getscrazy with it and trades away a
lot to get up into this drafthere and double dip somewhere.
I you could see it happening.

(29:25):
Maybe early into the secondround they could try to jump
high, grab a defensive lineman,whatever it is, I don't know.
They have, like you said before, they don't have a lot of huge
needs, but they have needs, nothuge, but they have spots where
they got to fill some holes andfill some holes fast.
So I mean, I I completely agreewith you there.
But yeah, that's the big thingI'm looking at is Kenny Clark's

(29:48):
lack of production last season.
I think you've got to find helpin the defensive tackle room
because if you have another yearlike that, I think it's time
you got to just eh, maybe wejust got to move on.
We got to just get, get off ofKenny Clark there and kind of
move on, and hopefully you havesomebody groomed up that you can
pull in the backside thereinstead of just, oh, shoot, now
we got to plug a guy.
He's been here for a year, he'sready to go.

(30:09):
He's been working his way inand you still I mean you still
got other pieces, otherdefensive linemen in the room
that you can fill around there.
I just I wouldn't hate Harmon.
I I mean so okay, where are youleaning right now, first round,
first round of this draft?
Where are you leaning Like?
Is there a guy where, if hedropped, you know, I think it's

(30:30):
like how does the board?
work.
How does the board work?
Is going to depend on where I'mat because, like I said, if
Harmon and Green drop, I don'tknow how I pass on Green from
Marshall there if he's availableat 23.
I don't know how I say no.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I don't know how I say no, I don't know how it's
funny you say this.
There's a couple of things.
So with the Mike Green thing,we're really talented.
Was amazing senior bowl.
He has some baggage in hisbackground.
I'm not going to go into itbecause I'm not very well versed
in it, but it has been that'swhy he might drop.
Let's go with that he andsomething you mentioned about
the possibility of trading backgoody keeps talking about

(31:05):
acquiring more picks.
It could be subterfuge, right,and the fact that we want to see
as many quarterbacks go in thefirst round for us personally
right.
So someone wants to trade backinto the first round let's say
the browns, the saints, thesteelers.
Somebody wants to trade back upand try to get jackson dart,
trying to get shador.
Then they want to trade with us.

(31:25):
They want to give us theirfirst round pick for next year,
just like the saints did totrade up and get marcus
davenport that year.
We got jair.
I'm gonna have a hard timesaying no to that right now.
That sucks for us because nowwe gotta wait, whatever.
But for the thing that you'resaying, when it came to position
, I agree with you.
Um, I'm I'm very much leaningtowards wide receiver and it's

(31:46):
because of that issue that we'rehaving, when it comes to just
the depth in that room, defensealigned, because we did lose a
big guy in Slayton.
And the corner thing is trickybecause we just talked about
Jair.
If Jair is out the door, thenyou do need to get another
corner in there.
The question is, you're notgoing to get another Jair
Alexander.

(32:06):
You're going to get a guy thatyou hope that can turn into Jair
Alexander.
So me personally, even thoughit's a big, it's like a thing
that Packers are supposed to geta receiver every year and they
never get a receiver every year.
I would lean towards receiver,because if you do get McMillan
or Ibuka, let's say you don'tright, let's say you get higgins
later in the first round.
There's other guys you can get,like jalen royal out of utah

(32:28):
state, second and third round,who also could still fill that
need yeah, and you know, thething with the packers is they
run a lot of zone.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
There's a lot of zone .
Yeah, you could just get me alot of cornerbacks that are fast
and can keep up with guys andcan cover a spot, and I I could
live with that.
So that's where I'm.
I don't know if I want to usethe 23rd pick, for you know,
like we talked before, you don'thave lockdown corners anymore.
I'm not going after a lockdowncorner at this point.
I don't need, like.
I have nate obbs, I still havejair alexander in the fold and

(32:58):
you think keisha nixon is goingto develop into something.
Valentine, whatever you gotthere.
I'm kind of looking at thedraft and saying I could go and
get cornerbacks.
I can get a plethora of themlater in the game, later in the
draft.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
I should say those guys are out there and it's
funny, you see that too, likehalfly coming in, he was a man
zone, he's a man dude, he wasman press, press and he just was
all about blitzing the manpress.
And I feel that because whatyou had said previously about
the pass rush being so bad, Ifelt like he had to play more
zone than he wanted tocompensate for the lack of pass
rush.
So you're right, like, if theydo get, like you've been saying,

(33:33):
they get a Derek Harmon, theyget a Mike green, they get
someone on that defensive lineand Nick script, and they get
one of those guys that canreally apply pressure, then you
high pressure, then you don'thave to play so much zone, right
, you can play man, you can be alittle more aggressive on the
back end, and you can do thatwith the guys we have right now.
Because us signing Nate Hobbs,we got him and we paid him in a

(33:54):
way where he could playliterally inside or outside,
right.
And you know, keyshawn, he saidthat he's going to be a CB1,
right.
And then you got CarringtonValentine on the other side too.
So I'm with you, corner, to methere's guys like Maxwell
Harrison and Trey Amos who areprobably considered to be
first-round picks.
But me personally, I want to go.

(34:16):
I'm like you want to build thetrenches and, honestly, the
talent that are coming out.
From a receiver perspective, Ican see us doing it and we
already know it's not going tohappen and my heart's gonna be
broken.
We see him book out there at 23and we don't pick him.
It's gonna break my heart, justlike last year.
Which acts?

Speaker 2 (34:35):
well, and you know another guy too, kaylin king in
that, uh, in that second I lovehim he's still got a lot of
potential and I watched him lastyear.
He was on the practice squad fora while, right, but I remember
seeing him in camp andeverything like that.
I'm watching him.
Like this guy's got some upside, Like I love this guy and they
brought him up off the practicesquad for a little bit and I'm

(34:55):
like I hope I see him, becausethe secondary is stinking right
now and we never saw him outthere.
But like, Like you mentioned,we have guys in the room and
that's where I'm leaning withthe cornerback group.
I'm like just go get me someguys who can run around, Just go
get me some runners.
That's all I need.
I don't need lockdown dudes.
I have Valentine, who I thinkcan be good.
I have Keyshawn Nixon who Ithink is good enough.
He's not a lockdown corner, buthe's good enough.

(35:19):
If you're going to play zone,you need just fast guys from
cover spot.
If you're gonna play man, youcould still get away with that
kind of thing there too.
So, and you got nate hobbs inthe room now too.
So I I'm just at that pointwhere I'm like I want to, like
you said, build the trenches.
Where do you win football games?
In the trenches, defensive line.
You got to get pressure.
That's where I'm looking at thedefensive tackle and I'm like,
okay, in the run game, you needthis guy.

(35:40):
In the pass rush, you need thisguy.
Where do you not need him?
You need him all the time.
Okay, this is what we needconsistently out on the football
field.
That's where I'm looking rightnow, I think in the linebacker
room.
I mean, you can adapt, right,I'm not yeah but you have edgar
and cooper, you have quay walkerwho I think did take a step
last year.
I just think he's banged up.
He never got back to it.
I think if you let edgar andcooper run the mic, you let him

(36:02):
be green dot and you let quaywalker just be off the ball this
off ball guy blitzing and doinghis stuff.
Because the problem with quaywalker is I think you put too
much on his plate.
I just think he getsoverwhelmed and he blows past
plays and when you watch himit's like he's there, he just
blows past the play he can, hecan get there.
It just he blows past us toplay.

(36:23):
He can't.
He can't get off a block.
He has those kind of issues.
I think he needs some work, yes, but I'm not giving up on coy
walker yet.
He's still got I think he'sstill got a ton of upside.
I just think he's not a numberone guy.
We were expecting him to be anumber one guy.
He's not a number one guy.
Edgar and cooper, that's anumber one guy.
Yeah, we got that guy now.
So you, you are fine in thatroom.

(36:43):
I think you need to find someedge.
I think you need to find someuh help up the middle.
That's where I'm looking rightnow with the screen by packer
team, and I agree with you, thewide receiver room definitely uh
kind of scares me out there.
So I'm looking like you said,you want defensive line edge
rush.
You need wide receivers.
Those are the position groupswhere I'm like that is where I
need to look right off the bat.
First round, second round,maybe even the third round,

(37:04):
fourth round, fifth round that'swhere I'm going.
Hey, what cornerbacks available.
Cornerbacks are still availableand then I'm just going boom,
boom, boom, boom, boom Cornersall day long.
That's where I'm looking rightnow, because you know where the
Packers need Wide receiver edgecornerback.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, I was going to tell you, though, two things.
So Jason Marshall out ofFlorida is considered to be a
six-or-seven-round pick.
Who's really talented?
Who's something that we can getlate?
There's a kid out of Tulanealso.
I forgot his name right nowbecause I'm drawing a blank on
him, but he's another greattalented player who I think is
Caleb Rakeshaw.
But there's guys that are outthere you can get later in the
draft.

(37:47):
And let's not forget IsaiahSimmons, former seventh overall
pick out of Clemson, was in aseventh overall pick in that
draft.
He was in for a visit two daysago or last week, didn't get
signed yet and I think, like youget a guy like him who's about
238 pounds, runs a 4.39, and hecould be your hybrid safety
linebacker.
That you know what I'm saying.
That was a position that wasthere, that went away, and he
could be a guy that could comein and play in the chip in the
linebacker.
That you know I'm saying.
That was a position that wasthere, that went away, and he
could be a guy that could comein and play in the chip in the

(38:08):
linebacker position and then youcould also have, as that,
almost like a run stopper whenit comes to like a, like a in
the box safety and yeah.
So that's another.
That's another considerationtoo.
Right, if they do, they do signhim.
I think they haven't yet, soI'm kind of wondering what's
going on there with that.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Probably wait and see what happens in the draft who
they grab in there and I meanRashawn Gary, a lot of hate last
year.
But you bringing a guy likeGreen there to play the opposite
side than Rashawn Gary.
You make it hard on a passrusher to get himself open when
he has to be double teamed everytime he gets off the line.
Exactly.
You bringing a guy like Green.
That's going to level that linecompletely and then you are

(38:46):
going to find holes for rashawngary.
You're going to find holes fordavante.
Why?
Maybe that helps kenny clark,maybe that helps him out, maybe
that makes his job a lot easierbringing in a guy like green.
So that's why I'm like you gotto find a pass rusher in some
way, shape or form.
Maybe tj y right, he's.
He's kind of upset withsteelers, baby I saw that.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
I saw that, yeah, you want to make Packer fans happy.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
You want to make Wisconsin fans happy.
Send the 23rd pick to theSteelers for TJ Watt.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
I heard we had the best odds.
I heard we had the best odds.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Packer fans would be perfectly okay if you got rid of
the 23rd pick and you said TJWatt is on his way to Green Bay,
oh See ya, you talking aboutall the Trey Hendrickson-like
stuff, and then you bring in TKWatt instead.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Oh God, yeah, You're going to have the first three
rounds of picks.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Pittsburgh, You're going to have all three first
rounds you can have them all.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Draft day.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Draft day, just draft day.
Yeah, we need Kevin Costner onhere to start yelling at him.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Sonny, I just saw the last movie.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Oh, that movie is fantastic.
I love it.
I don't put my hate on it.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
I love it to death man.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Fantastic.
It's a great movie.
So, hey, we got a quick breakhere.
We're going to come back.
We're going to wrap it up hereat the Packer Talk here.
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So, hey, we went to the break.
We were talking packers, we gota little more into the draft.
Right, we were hot and running.
In the first part, we had noidea what we were talking about.
We got to the draft a littlebit.
Now we're going to wrap it uphere with this little draft,
talk here with ummer here.
So we were talking about, youknow, the defensive line needs
and everything like that headinginto this one.

(41:14):
I want to flip sides, I want tolook over at the offensive line
because Josh Myers is gone.
So the talk is Elton Jenkinsmoves over.
That's going to solve theproblems.
Well, I don't know in my mindif that solves the problem.
I love Elton Jenkins at guard.
So you know, the Packers didthis thing.
At one point they took Myers.

(41:36):
They replaced Corey Linsley atone point, so they took Myers,
they plug and play.
Basically, Myers was put in alittle too early in most, like
your opinion, my opinion was putin a little too early.
But hey, they did what they did.
Myers ended up being solid.
Myers ended up being solid.
He wasn't great, he was nevergreat, but he was solid, he was
a good center.
So do we see the Packerspotentially drafting a center

(41:58):
saying, hey, maybe a guard thatthey like that can move to
center, that has that potential?
Do we see the Packers kind ofmaybe leaning in that direction,
in your opinion, or do we justmove Jenkins over and just say
screw it.
Where are we at right now?
What would you do if you werein Brian Goodikens' shoes?

Speaker 3 (42:13):
I would let Elton Jenkins and Jacob Monk compete
for center.
Also Sean Ryan, because SeanRyan did take snaps at center as
well, too right.
And then I would still look atthe kid out.
I think he's Ohio State SethMcLaughlin.
And then you have Jared Wilsonout of Georgia.
Both tested extremely well,well within the Packer

(42:35):
thresholds.
Both were anchors for theiroffensive lines for prospective
teams, and I think getting arookie in there to compete with
those two would be with thosethree, would be smart.
Because Elton, like you said,he's the one dude.
He's kind of like Zach Tom.
He can play anywhere on theoffensive line but he's a proven
all-pro guard, right, multipleyears.

(42:56):
He also, you know, his naturalposition in college was center,
but he's proven that he canbasically do, he can play
anywhere, and when you have aguy like that, who is that
talented, you really don't wantto take him away from his strong
suit.
But then again, though, hehasn't had enough snaps at
center consistently to like I'msaying, like you know, game to
game to game, to know or notknow if he's in a better center,

(43:18):
right.
So I take a chance there.
I see how it goes in trainingcamp.
I still give jacob month becausehis natural position when he
was at duke was yes yep, yepduke right was center and you
know he was the one that playedright next to Graham Barton, and
Graham Barton had a lot ofgreat things to say about him.
I mean, Graham Barton was afirst-round pick and I think
Monk was a fifth-round pick orfourth-round pick, right.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Fifth, I was just trying to check here quick what
year was he drafted, monk?

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Last year he was a rookie last year, yeah, last
year.
Last year, yeah, last yearthere, that's right, that's
right.
Uh, let's see here, he out ofduke.
He was in the fifth round,fifth round, yeah.
So again, you know we've.
You know, cory lindsley wasalso a fifth round pick out of
ohio state.
So I'm saying like you can getamazing offense alignment,
especially interior offensealignment, in the later rounds.
Uh, packers have done reallywell with that and I think, like

(44:07):
right now we have enough piecesthere to compete with guys that
are already on the team.
And I would still add somebodyfrom the draft.
I just don't think like I thinkevery year you should be taking
positions, like you should betaking offense alignment, you
should be taking defensealignment, wide receiver, like I
feel like those are evenrunning back.
You know the kid out of VirginiaTech, like if he Bushell, if he

(44:30):
comes, if he's still doing a6th, 7th run, I grab him.
I know Marshawn Lilley is theguy being the breakaway dude.
I still like Emmanuel Wilson Sr.
I think he's amazing, I thinkhe's for an undrafted free agent
.
He has a lot of talent, he hasa lot of juice.
But back to offensive line.
I think the most importantthing is keeping you know joy

(44:53):
and love upright and I thinkthat interior or I'll beg to
differ with you when it comes tojosh myers being a good center,
I'd say he would be.
He was an average center, rightyeah, he was solid.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
He was solid, he wasn't good.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
I'll say solid in quotations, because I think the
problem I always have is youhave creed humphrey, who got
drafted right after him and he'san all-pro center right, and
you're like, why didn't't Joshturn to that?
And you know what?
There's a lot of reasons whythat didn't occur, but I'll give
him his credit.
Last year he was dealing withhis father passing away as well,
as he played through apartially torn pack the whole
year, I think since week five.

(45:22):
So you know what?
You're right, he is a solidcenter.
He's a good center.
Why?
Because he was a warrior outthere, I mean he was out there
playing when a lot of guys wereprobably saying the hell with
him, I'm not going to go outthere and play bad and make
myself look bad.
He knew that he was needed, soI respect that, but definitely
think that in the draft thereare players out there that we

(45:43):
can grab to help kind of againinfuse more talent on that line,
because we need to doeverything we can to keep Jordan
upright, because the healthierhe is, the better our team is.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yep, he's got to stay healthy.
He's got to stay mobile,because if he's not mobile,
that's half of them 100%.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
About half of a quarterback at that point, yes.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
And yeah, I mean, I agree, the attributes of Josh
Meyer is not all there, but hewas durable, he was there, he
was always there and he gave yousolid effort, right effort.
It was like good mexican foodthat doesn't flow right through.
Yeah, it was like that kind ofit was that kind of effort from
josh myers.
So anyways, anyways off of themexican food can't go wrong, you

(46:22):
can't go wrong.
Authentic mexican.
You can go wrong with them.
The off-brand stuff doesn'treally hurt you.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Authentic mexican food like there like there is,
Get you going.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
That's not good.
Taco Bell is not as bad, butwhen you get, that real stuff,
it hits.
I mean it's good, I could eatall day long but the problem is.
The porta-potties at work arenot that good they are
absolutely not that good.
So, anyways, off of that, offof the foul movements that are

(46:56):
going on right now let's hopethat Goody does not have another
foul movement here in the firstround.
Does Gutekind's this first roundright?
Because this first round picksI mean last season Jordan Morgan
the book is still unwritten,right.
But we look at the rest ofthese first round picks 2018, j
Alexander.
2019, rashawn Gary.
Then you had Darnell Savage Eh,that's not working well, right.

(47:16):
That was both in 2019 there.
Jordan Love in 2020.
Had Eric Stokes there in 2021.
2022, he doubled it with QuayWalker, devontae Wyatt Both them
, we don't know.
written yeah, I we're hopingthat somebody is still going to
pick the pen up and write thatbook, but I don't know if that

(47:36):
pen's going to get picked upthere.
So I mean, we look at the firstround picks and you want to
talk about why people haveproblems believing in gutekens.
That, yeah, because outside ofmaybe john alexander, where sean
gary took a while to come onand yet he got injured.
And now we don't know.
Darnell savage is gone, right.
Jordan love that's your.
You got to exclude jordan lovebecause that's your franchise

(47:57):
quarterback.
But outside of jordan love,eric stokes got hurt.
Bust quay walker you're hopinghe can find a way.
Davante wyatt we're hoping.
Right, I think he can be a guy,but he gets banged up all the
time.
And then lucas van ness ain'tthere yet.
Yeah, does this first round forgoody have to hit like this 23rd
pick?
I think for me it has to.

(48:20):
It has to, has to, has to.
I think good against right nowhas got to be drafted.
You know you don't want to sayfor his life, but at the same
time you want to say his lifebecause at some point here he's
got to hit with the pick,because when you have the 23rd
pick in the draft.
You got to find somethingeventually.
Yeah, and he hasn't found ityet, yeah, so I mean, in your
opinion, does he got a hit inthis first round?

Speaker 3 (48:42):
I think so.
I think the jordan morgan pickis the one where you really
didn't see what he was about,because he's banged up.
Unfortunately he came in with alot of injury history too, so I
didn't wasn't a big fan of that, to be honest with you.
Uh, and so I feel like hisfirst round picks have been very
much more missed than hit.
And this is one of those timeswhere you have mark murphy's.

(49:03):
Last year he he's retiring,mandatory retirement come june,
july.
And then you got ed policytaking over, right, new
president, um, I don't see himfiring goody I'm not saying
goody's in the hot seat by anymeans, but he needs to start
making picks that we can seesome, some kind of a
contribution off the bat.

(49:23):
I know that may not be realistic, I know that that's not how nfl
and gms work all the time,whatever the case may be, but
truth be told, you know we seewith other teams and maybe
that's not fair measuring stick,but guys that do get drafted in
the first round tend to be morecontributing faster than our
first round picks have lately.
You know, yeah, um, and you knowI just feel like this is his

(49:45):
time to really.
He made a comment at the end ofthe season about urgency by
both.
Probably he just said that theteam needs to show more urgency.
Right, that could have been forthe coaches, that could have
been for the players, that couldhave been for him, who knows.
But I feel like you know itgets to a point to when you're
not, when you're missing morethan you're hitting on your
first-round picks as a GM, thatdoes start becoming your like

(50:12):
john snyder had that for a verylong time, where he his first
round picks are garbage but hislater on picks got really good
and then recently his firstround picks have gotten better.
Right, and so maybe this is theyear that goody figures it out.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
I'm hoping so otherwise, I mean, you get to a
point I I agree, and you knowyou look at some of the later
round picks for goody there andthey're good.
I mean zach tom, he was draftedway back in the fourth round.
I mean you have guys who weredrafted late that have done well
for the packers here, but it'sthose early picks and it comes
to the point of why are you sohesitant to trade them away.
Then, yeah, why, like why youwere so the packers are so where

(50:52):
we got this like a death gripon these picks we gotta, we
gotta hold on to.
We can't get rid of this pick,we can't get rid of that one.
Why are you so hesitant in freeagency?
Why are you so hesitant to maketrades when you go into a draft
and your first round picks arejust flops anyways?
Why then?
I would rather if I was, if Iwas me as a packer fan right now
.
I'm looking at it like this ifour first round picks are going

(51:13):
to continuously be flops, I wantto see goodikens do something
with the first round pick andtrain.
Find me somebody else, find mea guy who's proven ready to go
right now.
I I don't understand why wewaste time.
Then it's I I love, I, I like.
I'm saying I I love the factthat he's given the effort right
and he he finds guys that helikes and you guys that he
thinks are going to fit theculture and the system.

(51:33):
I like that.
I like culture and system guys.
I love that.
But at the same time you've gotto find guys who are also good,
proven.
Yeah, then they're done.
First round's proven, firstround are proven guys.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Fifth round, guys.
That's fifth-round talent atthis point.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I mean Maybe, maybe just a fifth-round talent.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
I don't even know if he's a fifth-round talent.
It's like AJ Hawk man.
Aj Hawk was the fifth overallpick that year in the draft and
he was a good player.
He was not a fifth overall pickplayer, but he was.
He's still our lean tackler,right.
And on top of that too, he washe never missed any games.
He was always.
He was always there, he wasalways available.
But you're right, the end of theday, like we were drafting

(52:16):
somebody in the first round,it's kind of like we waited on
drawing love and the weight wasworth it, right, I know last
year was banged up, but thetruth was like he waited three
years, four years.
They came in and hit the groundrunning right.
I feel like this is the yearwhere, yeah, like I, I mean.
I mean, if Goody trades out ofthat pick, I hope he can still
stay in the first round.
But I'm with you, man, a partof me is like there's only so

(52:39):
much defending I can do, becausesometimes you do wonder about
that whole.
Like I'm the smartest guy inthe room, so I know all the
answers, right, it's like whatthey say about Sean McVay 're
like, oh, he's the smartest guyin the room, just ask him he's
like you know right I mean, I'mnot in that draft room right,
like we don't really knowanything that's going on.
But sometimes, when you do seesome of these picks, you're kind

(53:00):
of like you know, like they'renot the consensus picks, that,
like you see Howie Roseman do,which I get, like you know he's
kind of set the standard rightnow.
But I feel like, as fans, we'reseeing picks, we're like yo,
why are you getting this guy?
You can have this guyhindsight's 2020 and you know.
But I'm with you, bro.
Just part of me is like I needhim to.
I would love for him to get aguy that I want.

(53:22):
That would be amazing.
Quay was a guy I wanted,devontae white was not.
And I have this thing whereevery guy that I didn't want did
turn out to be really good,which happened with gary, until
he got hurt, he was really good.
Right, yeah, I wanted savage.
He didn't turn out to be thatgreat.
Uh, he had some moments, sodon't get me wrong.
Uh, jordan love, I did not wantand he turned out to be great.

(53:43):
And then, um, yeah I wantedstokes.
He was good until he got hurt,and so yeah this is like I feel
like there's like there'ssomething with that, I don't
know.
So, yeah, right now I'm justholding my breath and hoping
that he grabs one of the guysthat we want tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I really look forward to that I was going to say,
even like a guy like Jordan Love, was a reach, because he's
coming out of Utah State.
Who is this guy?

Speaker 3 (54:03):
He throws a lot of.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Yeah, his last year wasn't.
It's like what are you doing?
And in this draft, like yousaid earlier, you have a lot of
guys.
You have good talents.
Now it's okay, the best guysavailable, yeah, when you have
the positions kind of filled nowit's who's the best guy on your
board right now?
Not a reach, I don't want toreach.
I don't need a center in thefirst round.
I don't need a guard in thefirst round.

(54:31):
We have an offensive line.
That's somewhat figured out.
Go get me a receiver, go get mea defensive lineman.
That's where you got to belooking at that first round.
So that's kind of where we'rekind of leaning.
Right now.
It sounds like you're in thewide receiver, I'm in the
defensive line.
Best guy available, that's whatwe want 100% and if you can find
a move and you want to makesome moves and maybe trade up in
the draft, whatever it is, goget me TJ Watt, I'm all in for
it.
I'm all in for it there.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
So hey, we'll see Like you said tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I am excited, I can't wait the draft's in Green Bay.
It's going to be exciting.
We are ecstatic.
So hey, auburn, it's beenfantastic.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
We hope to get you back.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
We'll yeah we're going to talk about this,
whatever we could be freakingout, we could be yelling, we
could be screaming.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Pants on, pants on who knows, yeah, who knows.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I mean, maybe I went and got some bad Mexican food
and now I'm sitting on thetoilet.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
I have no idea what's going to be happening in that
show here.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
That's all I know.
That's all I know there.
And hey, make sure you, ummer,he works with Coast to Coast
Packers.
I'm going to be going on therewith him, so that's going to be
exciting.
So stay tuned for that.
We'll have more exciting newsthere.
So, ummer, it's been fantastic.
We'll catch you back here nextweek.
But, hey guys, on the backsideof this break, top of the hour,

(55:50):
kyle is going to be joining us.
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So, hey, we went to the break.
I told you Scary was coming onhere.
We had to talk Badgers tonight.
Rajiv, he got tied up at work.

(56:31):
I was like what am I going todo?
Well, I got my boy, scary, overhere.
He's going to come out.
We're going to talk abouteverything that had to do with
that spring showcase and animportant topic that Scary had a
good video on, that I wanted toget to.
So, Scary, how are we doing onthis Wednesday?

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Good, I'm doing better when I that there's a
Milwaukee Bucks guy they'regoing to talk to after this, so
we don't have to deal with it.
But yeah, yeah, happy to talkBadger football and take it away
.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yeah, I mean, goodness we talked about, we
were talking about the Bucks atthe break.
There you and me and I meanthat was disturbing, that first
two games disturbing, but likeyou made me feel better, they
got two more games back at home.
It's going to be okay.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
It's just all going to be okay.
Bucs are going to run thePacers out of the gym in game
three.
I'm telling you that right now.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
I am hoping so because I, just like we were
talking, there's just so manyguys to dislike on the Pacers.
I mean between Halliburton andNemhardt.
There's so many guys to dislikethere.
It's unreal.
But hey, you got a new podcast.
Well, not a new podcast, youhave a great podcast out there
but a new pod that you justdropped over there About the
Badgers in 2025.
We kind of touched on this lastweek.

(57:39):
But you said in this you'retalking about in this show, and
I don't want to give awayeverything you had to say in
there because I want people togo check that out.
You have a fantastic page overthere on YouTube there Scary,
scary alvarez.
But you said which win wouldmean the most?
Right, and you had alabama atalabama, the iowa game, ohio
state at oregon, at minnesota,which win would mean the most?

(58:00):
And I wanted you know just youdon't have to give me the whole
thing, because, goodness, I wantpeople to check that out,
because I found it veryinteresting listening to all
your opinions on each differentside there.
But which one of those, in youropinion, would be that big win
for this wisconsin badger team?

Speaker 1 (58:15):
yeah, that's a good question and again I want the
caveat is is not that they'reonly going to win one and then
they're going to lose the otherfour?
So I think some people kind ofmisunderstood.
I think if you win a game likeohio state, who will almost
certainly be a top five, top 10team coming into that game at at
Camp Randall, it probably meansthat you're of a level and

(58:35):
quality that you're going to winsome other games like Minnesota
.
You know what I mean.
So I kind of I took Ohio State.
I'm going to give you a fulldisclosure there and you know
the reason.
It's a many-tiered reason.
One of them is that that'sgoing to be the best team we're
going to play next season, soyou're getting the most for your
win.

(58:56):
Haven't beat him 15 years andthat was supposed to be kind of
a rivalry to never turn into one.
We had a couple of OT gameswhen urban was there and but it
just never turned into it.
But the thing that kind of isthe icing on top is that the
whole fickle thing Okay, this isa Buckeye in his DNA, grows up

(59:16):
as a wrestler, football playerin Ohio, goes to his dream
school, plays defensive line forOhio state.
All big 10 ends up coaching.
There was an assistant coachesthere as a head coach goes back
to an assistant.
So this is a.
It sounds like I'm trying to belike sadistic or something, but
like it's it would be.
You'll hear this from anyonewho leaves Like.
If Jim Leonard left Wisconsinand went and coached somewhere

(59:39):
else and they beat Wisconsin, Ican tell you that's going to be
his biggest win.
That's going to be the onethat's going to be the most
satisfying to him.
Beating Ohio State would beLuke Fickle's most satisfying
possible win that he could everhave.
Not that he couldn't have ahigher level win, but as far as
the teams he's playing nextseason, that would be a huge one
and it would mean so much forthe program, the morale, the

(59:59):
recruiting, the vibes inside thelocker room.
So not shockingly I said OhioState, I did say Minnesota was
kind of in others receivingvotes there only because it's a
high floor, kind of like if youlose.
If you lose that game it's,it's devastation.
That's four to five years to pjfor like you cannot lose the

(01:00:19):
minnesota game.
So the kind of like you knowthe, the gamblers, you know
minimax, principles of gamestheory, is, you make sure the
worst case scenario is avoided.
And that would be a way toavoid the worst case scenario.
But I'm going to shoot for thefence.
Uh, you know, shoot for thethrough the moon here and say,
well, how state that would be aprogram changing win for the
badgers yes, no, I would agree,I would like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
I mean even alabama oregon, like those three teams
right there.
That'd be program changing, Ithink yeah I think I'm
sustaining, like for me, programsustaining I don't know if it
sounds weird, but sustaining it.
Iowa and Minnesota, like those,are two that I feel like you
just you have to have one of twoat least, if not both, because

(01:01:02):
then I feel like the program isfloating Right now.
I feel like you know, afterlast season watching them play
Iowa and get just completely ranout of the building watching
them play Minnesota, and just itwas disgusting, I just feel
like the boat's sinking and Ijust want to see it come back
and just kind of settle in,float it out, right.
Because you know, when we hadPaul Chris I'm not gonna say

(01:01:24):
Paul Chris is better than Lukefickle, I don't want to get into
that, you know discussion rightnow, or anything like that but
when Paul Chris was there it waslike, okay, you got nine wins,
you go play Ohio state, getwrecked, and then you go to the
big 10 championship game, youget wrecked there and then you
end up in the Rose bowl, right,it was consistency of that.
Now it's like where are we?
Are we sinking, are we floating?
I don't.
I don't know where thisprogram's at.
So I guess that's kind of whereI'm at.

(01:01:45):
I just want a sustainable makessense yeah, no, it's, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I feel like it's even more than sustainable.
I think luke fickle and I willsay he's had some headwinds that
paul chris never had, yeah,first would have jumped off a
cliff having to do with nil andthe transfer portal.
I'm telling you he did not haveit in his dna.
When it does, uh fickle has todeal with both of these things
in the worst possible time forboth of them in the history of

(01:02:11):
college football, granted theirrecent events.
But uh, nil at least is, but hepeople say I'm a, I'm a, you
know a thick explainer, and theyand they, I'm fluff and flick
thick and all that.
So I gotta be careful.
I speak there, I'm not, I'm, Iam.
I duly critical of luke fickleand some of the mistakes he's
made, starting with hisoffensive coordinator choice in

(01:02:32):
2023.
But his headwinds, includingthe schedule, there was no
schedule like this that PaulChris sniffed.
There was not a schedule in anyof the years that Paul Chris
nor Brett Bielema were coachingWisconsin where you had this
kind of schedule that Fickle hasin 2025.

(01:02:54):
Nothing close, in fact, peoplekind of the sands of time and I,
like Bielema, I've come around.
He did a really good job atWisconsin in a lot of ways.
He benefited from a tremendousnumber of things schedule-wise,
like probation for Penn Stateand Ohio State, where it slides
you into a Rose Bowl youotherwise wouldn't have been in.

(01:03:14):
There were all kinds of thingsthat he was able to benefit from
, and people forget about GregBielema coaching.
With this schedule thatWisconsin has this year, that
wasn't going to go in the RoseBowl.
I'm telling you that Maybe 2010.
I mean, that 2010 team waspretty special, but they kind of
squeaked in there, even withWatt and some of those other

(01:03:35):
guys, and so I have a little bitof grace for Fickle.
And getting back to your point,yeah, they have to.
They have to win at a minimum.
Let's forget about Ohio Statefor a minute and Oregon for a
minute and Bama for a minute.
Iowa, illinois, minnesota thoseare their three sort of like

(01:03:57):
regular real world games thatthey have to pay attention to.
You got to win two of thosethree.
You don't win two of thosethree, I'm telling you the
season will have been a disaster, because if you can't win two
of those three, you weren'tgoing to be beating Oregon and
Eugene, you weren't going to bebeating Bama and Tuscaloosa.
You were not going to besniffing Ohio, you might be
sniffing Ohio State.
I mean, there are jocks whenthey're sitting on your head in

(01:04:19):
that game.
Wow, that got weird.
It's you know.
It's where we go.
It's late, it's late.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
If I slept Not that I'd be asleep.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
But to get to your point, greg, you know there's a
lot of ways this can go and Ijust want a left tackle who can
protect the quarterback to giveus a chance, and let's see what
happens.
But there's some things I'mseeing and smelling in camp that
I like.
There's some things about thisteam that I feel better about
than last year's.
I can say that yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
So my question would be okay, you, we know that
illinois, minnesota and iowa,those are defining wins.
Let's just hypothetical.
Terrible world, right, terribleworld.
We have a season, like lastyear, where you lose to
minnesota.
It's disgusting.
Iowa blows you out.
You lose to illinois.
Maybe you play close withOregon, but they beat you again.
Are you at the point where LukeFickle is now on a hot seat?

(01:05:18):
I just feel like at some pointI know it's hard to turn over a
program and what he had to workwith and everything like that
but at some point it just feelslike that excuse has got to go
away, because now this is LukeFickle's team, these are Luke
Fickle's guys.
We have to get off the.
This is Paul Crisfault.
We have to get on the.

(01:05:39):
Now Luke Fickle has to coachhis team and get a win.
Now he has to beat one of theseteams and prove that he belongs
with the big dogs in the BigTen.
I mean, where are you at rightnow with that kind of statement?

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Yeah, that kind of statement, yeah, it's, you know,
all things equal.
I mean there there was a seasonhe could have that maybe for
other coaches and other thirdyear situations might not be
good enough to have themcontinue.
I'm telling you, with hiscontract right now, that makes
things significantly moredifficult to buy him out.
Um, unless you think he's goingto get another big-time job
that's going to pay a lot ofmoney.
That's going to offset thatmoney, I don't know.

(01:06:16):
But that all said, I'm not inthe fire fit camp.
I think he has to be.
The team has to have a differentfeel this season than it had
last season.
So I'm very much of the opinion.
If this team goes four andeight but they play hard and
they look good and you see youngguys you know, like the edge

(01:06:36):
rusher from Gainesville comingin and showing some stuff and
Agard's playing, and you havethese guys that thick recruited
making strides, like KevinHaywood certainly would have you
start to see the vision.
So I'm a little bit I think I'mprobably in the minority here
with Wisconsin fans, but I don'tthink there's a win number they

(01:06:58):
need to reach if they look theright way.
Now look if you win one or twoor three games.
You didn't look the right way.
There's no way you can win twoor three games and have been
competitive in enough gameswhere you're showing enough,
where I'd feel good about it.
But what I'm saying is they wentfour games and they're dropping
a touchdown game to Oregon anddropping a touchdown game to

(01:07:18):
Ohio State and losing late atBama and things like that, and
you're taking care of yourrivals.
I think it could still be kindof, in quotes, a successful
season, but I fully expect LukeFickle to be back in 2026.
He'll be back with, in myopinion, a significantly more
talented, more system-sound teamin his system, having Grimes

(01:07:40):
coming back for his second yearwith a significantly easier
schedule.
I mean, I'm sorry, it's noteasy, but a 2026 schedule is
reasonable.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
No, and I agree, and that's kind of where I'm at too.
I would completely agree withyou.
This season it's hard to lookwins and losses.
It's got to look good inbetween.
And I think the biggest thingfor me is you got to make it
look good for the recruits.
You got to make it look goodfor transfers to say, hey, I
want to go to Madison becausethey're building something.
There's something there Rightnow.
If I'm a recruit out there or atransfer and I'm looking at the

(01:08:10):
badges, I'm like I don't knowabout that.
I don't know if that's theplace, the destination for me
right now, because right now,like I said before, I don't know
if they're floating, are theysinking, where are they at right
now?
Luke Fickle is kind of a goodguy, whatever, but it just
doesn't seem like the place forme.
There's so many other programsout there.
I might have better luck there.
I just want, like you weretalking, like I'm saying there,

(01:08:32):
I just want this team to showthat sustainability where
recruits, transfers, whatever itis.
They look at this team and theysay, hey, 2026 schedule is
going to look a lot easier.
I want to go there, I want toplay in some big-time games.
I think a season like this tooright that shows a lot of
big-time games, that gets a lotof big time recruits.
I mean is that?

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
is that right it does .
And you also got to rememberwith some of these, these
four-star kids I won't sayfive-star cause we don't get
them, but like there is.
I don't want to say they don'twant the team to be successful
their senior year in high school.
But part of the vision you'reselling is hey, maybe you can
get some early playing time.
You're probably not going toget to Ohio State, you just

(01:09:16):
aren't.
Yes, if you're an all-worldwidereceiver, you're going to play
your freshman year.
I get all that.
You can sell that.
But I will say, if they don'tlook good, let's say you got a
bunch of big-time recruits atthat Ohio State game in Madison
I believe it's in October forthis big game and you go and lay
an egg and you lose by 30, it'sgoing to be hard to sell the
vision to those kids.
It wasn't hard to sell thevision against Oregon last year.

(01:09:38):
We had a bunch of kids at thatgame and they felt something.
They felt you were going to bethe number one team in the
country, the number one seed inthe playoff.
They almost did it and theyprobably should have.
If you would have ran the damnball you probably would have If
Jeff Grimes would have been theoffensive coordinator in that
game, they would have won thegame, yeah.
So I feel pretty confident.
I know we're kind of gettingdown to time here.
I see that I'm on the clockhere.
We've got another great guestabout to come on.

(01:10:00):
But hey, troy, thanks forhaving me.
Man, I really appreciate it.
And keep the faith.
We'll see what happens.
I would like them to land atleast a serviceable rotation
left tackle in the portal.
They just got outbid byCincinnati and some millionaire
there for the top left tackle acouple days ago, which was not
fun to see.
But we'll be okay.

(01:10:22):
There's going to be plenty oftime to worry about this team in
the fall.
Don't worry about it now.
That's my advice.
Worry about the Bucs.
Well, I don't know if I want toworry about the bucks I don't
know if I can stomach the bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
That's why talking badges right now is better than
the box I want to I'd ratherworry about what could go wrong
with the badge than what isgoing wrong with the box right
now.
So, hey, scary love having youon tonight.
Next week I mean maybe nextweek we'll have you back.
We'll see what happens withyour schedule, with ours here,
we'll see what happens.
Maybe we'll get you, we'll talkspring showcase and everything
like that.
But, as always, great to haveyou?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Yeah, sounds good.
Yeah, hey, great to have you.
Have a good night.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
You too.
Thank you very much for comingon.
Hey guys, we'll be back here atthe top next.
We're going to hit a break.
We're going to come back.
We got Kyle coming left.
We'll see what Giannis and Damecan do.
Dame was rusty.
We'll see what happens.
So, hey, we'll be back hereright after this quick
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So, hey, kyle, how we doing.

(01:12:00):
It's Wednesday.
We're back here, bucks, are itsucks, everything sucks.
But how are you doing tonighthere?

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
I mean I'm doing well .
I mean, you know, the playoffshave been interesting.
I would say Some series havebeen probably more entertaining
than others, but I think on awhole, not a bad start to the
postseason for the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
And the Celtics are winning, so Kyle's fine.
I mean, yes, they're doing justfine, so Kyle's fine If they
were in 0-2 hole.
Kyle would be freaking out rightnow, right, kyle would be
freaking out right now.
Right, kyle would be freakingout.
So, hey, this next segment Igot with kyle here.
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So, kyle, before we get going,you are my honorary guest all
the time for the Melo YellMinute.
So if you got your favoritebeverage sitting next to you, I
always got my Melo Yell.
You got to crack that babyright now.
You got to get it ready to goand we got our question of the
day.
Kyle, you came up with thequestion.
I had to break.
I said Kyle, what do you think?

(01:13:05):
What do you want to guess aboutTrach?
We're going to top threefavorite sports movies.
So, kyle, take it away.
What is one of Trage's topthree sports movies?

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
So I feel like there's probably a baseball
movie in your top three, but nowit's like, where do I go with
this?
So I'm just going to say, let'sgo.
Let's go Bull Durham.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Bull Durham.
That's a good movie.
That is a good movie.
It does not make top three.
Okay, okay, it is Okay.
I'll give you one of them.
It is a baseball movie.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
It's one of a Brewer legend is in the baseball movie
okay, super religion um just abit outside oh yeah, of course,
the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Why wouldn't I guess that first, yeah, major league,
because that's major league iseverybody's favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
So, yeah, yes sir, major league I am, but I do like
the second one too, becausethat a mission hero, tanaka.
He is hilarious and I love him,so that is on the list.
That is number two on that listthere what do we?
Got, you got one more.
Okay, the next one, it'll be afootball movie.
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
I was thinking it had to be a football movie um and
it is similar to this time ofyear.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
This time of year the movie is subject to this time
of year oh okay, so with thatI'm assuming.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Oh wait, yeah, because for some reason I was
like draft day and I was likedraft day is baseball, no, draft
day is football, so I'm goingdraft day.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Draft day People hate on that movie.
I absolutely love that movie.
There is nothing like watchingKevin Costner trade away the
Browns' future and then somehowgetting it all back and getting
David mother effing Putney.
That's what he says in themovie there.
It's just somehow getting themback there.
It is just wild, it is justabsolutely wild.
So, yes, draft day is in there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
All right.
So the third one.
Something tells me it might beanother football movie.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
We got one guess here , kyle, we got one guess.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
So I'm going to go.
We got one guess here, kyle, wegot one guess, so I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna goclassic with with this one, I'm
gonna say rudy rudy is fantastic, but it's remember the titans.
See, that was the other one inmy head too, oh, because I love
remember the titans and a greatfilm that is a great movie right
there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
So, yeah, I mean that was pretty darn good, that was
pretty darn good.
I mean didn't really even giveyou a list.
That's pretty darn good rightthere.
But hey, what's not going good,kyle, is this Bucs team?
This Bucs team is not goinggood right now and we can also,
I mean so, game one, no Dame.
No Dame, kuzma gives you zeropoints.
I mean, torian Prince is just,is it just me?

(01:16:00):
And this time I'm going to aska serious question off the top
Kyle Kuzma and Torian Prince,for me I don't know what it is,
but why don't the Bucs?
Why doesn't Doc Rivers lookinto his bag and say, maybe we
should switch the rotation up,maybe I should go and find a
different rotation, a differentstarting lineup that's going to

(01:16:21):
work a little bit better.
Because kyle kuzma, it's notthat he's not getting shots,
kyle, because that's what doctells me, that's his capo, right
?
He tells oh well, he's, youknow, not getting enough shots.
Bull crap, bull crap.
He just is.
Nobody is scared of kyle kuzma.
Nobody is scared of kyle kuzmaright now.
So I mean, why?
Why is Doc not willing to lookfor rotational changes?

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
I mean, look, if you remember, when we talked before
the series started, I said a keywas going to be Doc and his
stubbornness at times,especially in the playoffs.
At times, especially in theplayoffs, he loves to rely on
veterans.
He'd much rather go the veteranroute than necessarily young

(01:17:07):
and inexperienced, and I thinkthat's where he's going to run
into problems with this Indyteam.
Because, due to that and thefact that the Bucs are a little
older than the Pacers are, youcan't waste minutes necessarily
with Prince and Kuzma, because Ialso said, with a guy like
Prince, if he has it going, thenyou give him a little more,

(01:17:29):
like five minutes more.
If he's not giving you anything, you got to cut the cord.
Now.
He only played 19 minutestonight but he only gave you six
points.
He didn't give you any rebounds, gave you like four assists.
That doesn't really scream 19minutes worth from a guy who's

(01:17:54):
been in the league for a whilenow.
Kuzma, on the other hand, Ifeel like here's the problem If
Kuzma is your fourth or fifthoption, or even like your sixth
man off the bench, you'reprobably in better shape With
this Bucks team without Dame.
He's supposed to be your numbertwo.
That's not who Kuzma is.
Dame comes back.
Kuzma's now supposed to be yourthird option.

(01:18:16):
I don't think he's that either.
Like perfect world you gotGiannis, you have Dame.
I mean Portis had 28 tonight.
Can Portis keep that up overthe rest of the series?
Though I don't know If he does.
Portis now becomes kind of yourthird, even though he's like
the sixth man, which is a littleweird.

(01:18:37):
But look, you're at the point.
You're down 2-0.
You're going home Glass halffull.
All the Pacers did was takecare of business at home and win
their two games.
So now all the Bucs have to dois win games three and four.
Then you basically reset theseries as the best two out of

(01:18:58):
three.
The worry if you're a Bucs fanDame is rusty.
He could still be rusty gamethree and Doc is just going to
stick to his guns and he's goingto go down blazing with what
he's comfortable with.
And that's kind of infuriatingbecause Kuzma's been a
disappointment.
Prince has been adisappointment.

(01:19:18):
I mean we talked about PorterJr is supposed to be a
difference maker.
He only plays 15 minutes.
Should maybe he get some moreminutes and Prince can?
I would love to see Doc makeadjustments.
Unfortunately it's just not thetype of coach he is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Ryan Rowland starts game one and then, doesn't play
in game.
Two how do you go from starterto last on the depth chart
within a game?

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
tell me that one because the doc it's like dame
came back.
Hey, young guy, keep that war,keep the warm-up on, don't need
you anymore.
I just would rather go smallball at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
I'd rather go small ball lineup and just try to go
with it.
You know, put porter wouldrather go small ball at that
point.
I'd rather go small ball lineupand just try to go with it.
You know, put porter and dameout there at the same time.
Try to find some scoring.
Try to find something, because,like you mentioned there, I
mean prince is doing nothing foryou two games now.
I, you people like, oh well, youknow he does this and no, I
don't care, I I don't.
You know two turnovers in thisone, two big turnovers, costly

(01:20:14):
turnovers.
He had a late turnover in thefirst half.
That's a problem.
You got turnovers galore forthis team here.
I mean porter had three, sothat doesn't help his case out
at all there, but I mean you had15 turnovers.
If he's the bucks in totalthere, you can't do that against
a team like the pacers rightnow.
My biggest thing with the pacers, I just I dislike the pacers.
I I don't know what it is, Ijust hate the pacers.
I just drives me nuts.
Man, halliburton, I'm supposedto like Halliburton because he's

(01:20:38):
a Wisconsin guy.
I don't like Halliburton.
I don't like Halliburton, hejust drives me nuts.
So that makes this series evenworse is that they're losing it
to the Pacers again.
It just drives me absolutelynuts because this Pacers team I
don't know if it's just me, kyle, but I look at the Bucs and I'm
like you should be able tocompete with this team, like you
should.
I look at this Pacers team.
I'm like it's at times.

(01:21:00):
I honestly, you know, I waslistening to the announcers the
other day I think it was thebeginning of game one there and
they are just plowing into theBucs Boom, plowing into them,
plowing into them, and they'relikeers play, they play dirty I.
Just what drives me nuts isHalliburton.
He only talks, and it's thetruth.
He only talks when they'rewinning basketball games and he

(01:21:22):
drives me absolutely bonkerswhen he does it there.
So I mean, yeah, that's enoughmy rant for the night there.
I just I so sick of watching.
It's just disgusting at thispoint here.
But yeahucs want to do anything.
Doc Rivers has got to adjusthimself.
It's not about playersadjusting right now, it is about
Doc adjusting.

(01:21:42):
If Damian Lillard is rusty,what good is he on the
basketball floor?
What good is he on the floorFor 37 minutes?
I love Dame.
I want to see Dame do mesomething, but if he's rusty,
put somebody else in there the.
Bucs want eight straight withoutDame.
Exactly.
Why do you all of a suddenthink, oh well, we need him?

(01:22:04):
Yeah, we do, but we need a lotof things.
We need Kyle Kuzma to dosomething, we need Torian Prince
to do something, and if they'renot going to do something, why
does AJ Green go from being?
this lights out three-pointshooter to now he can only see
the floor for 12 minutes.
Where did Andre Jackson Jr go?

(01:22:24):
We just forgot about him Justgone.
He was a starter at one pointwith Dame.
Now it's like, oh, andreJackson Jr is just an
afterthought because, oh well,he's not as good offensively.
I would rather take AndreJackson Jr defensively than what
Torian Prince is doing for meat all.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
Yeah, and when you look at this Pacers team, a lot
of times where the Bucs get introuble, I mean, look, they
started the game tonight withlike they started out in zone
and it was like the worst zoneI'd seen, because all indy did
was like dribble, drive, kickout wide open, shot, and then

(01:23:03):
it's like when they try to playman, the paces are seeking out
like the the slowest defender onthe floor for the bucks and
they're attacking.
The amount of times I saw thepacers skip a pass to the other
side of the floor.
Defense is trying to track back, but they get out of position
and the guy beats them off thedribble and they get into the

(01:23:23):
lane.
It just becomes too easy forIndiana, and I agree with you
With Indiana.
Indiana is a team that you wantto make them uncomfortable,
because then you'll see the truePacers team, because they're
having fun now because they'reup 2-0.
If this was the other wayaround, the Pacers become the
whiniest like cheap shot-ishtype of team because they like

(01:23:45):
to front run.
So the thing saving, doc, is ifyou win game three, you can at
least peel back some of thatlove that the Pacers have for
themselves.
And then if you take game four,now you're really dealing with
momentum on your side and, trustme, game five would be much
different against this Pacersteam.
Now, if the Pacers win gamethree, you might start talking

(01:24:12):
sweet, because the Pacers willbe very confident in themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Yeah, yeah, if they win game three.
I just got that bad feeling.
It's night-night, like see youlater.
That's about it.
Wrap the season up boys, maybefire Doc on the way out the door
.
That's kind of where it's atright now.
If they get swept, yeah, doc'sgot to go.

Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
And I think a more innovative coach would do like
you said.
The Pacers aren't some likeextra big team, like Myles
Turner is a center who wants toplay like a small forward, like
he can rebound a little bit, butI don't think this is a good
series for brooke lopez.
So why is he getting 16 minuteswhen all that's going to happen

(01:24:50):
is turn, is going to run himlike ragged on when he's on
defense and then offensivelyhe's not going to put too much
pressure on the Pacers.
So I would love to see minuteswith Giannis at the five.
You bring in Portis, you goPorter Lillard and the fifth

(01:25:11):
spot you kind of rotate thatamongst whoever has it that
night.
I think you can get away withthat against this Pacers team.
Will Doc try it?
I don't know.
He may wait until like it's 3-0and they need game four and
he'll experiment with it.
By that point it's a little toolate.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Yeah, you know, like you were talking there, poco
Lopez, I mean you can't get himby Miles Turner, so why don't
you put Bobby Portis out there?
Why don't you put Bobby Portisout there?
Why don't you let that ride?
You can let Jericho Sims go outthere.
He's not going to be much of ascorer for you, but he's going
to be more of a defensivepresence.
I guess you could say I mean,you'd be better off honestly,
throwing Brooke Lopez on a guylike Andrew Nembhard and just
have him stand a little waysback and, hey, shoot the three.

(01:25:49):
He's shooting like 29% on theseason from downtown and if he
hits, he hits.
If he doesn't, if he gets hot,then you pull him off him.
But yeah, brooke Lopez in thisseries is just kind of a
non-factor.
If Doc doesn't adjust, that'sgoing to be a quick four and out
and just done.
This series will be done.
That's just, I mean, the coldhard truth for this Bucs team
right now.
And, like you said, I mean it'snot like this Pacers team is

(01:26:12):
full of a bunch of juggernauts,like this isn't like we're
playing the celtics right now.
This isn't like we're playingthe calves right now, or even
the knicks.
We're playing the pacers.
This isn't that I mean.
They they're good, they're notgreat.
This isn't like it's.
It's not a mountain that youhave to climb here, it's just
the bucks cannot put it together.
Because I, like you said, likeI'm saying and like a lot of
bucks, fans are starting to cometo the realization of, right

(01:26:34):
now, doc rivers is not it.
He just does not fit the bill.
Andre jackson jr played zerominutes in this entire game
against the pacers zero minutes.
You are a team that strugglesdefensively and your best
defender and andre jackson jrdid not touch the floor.
And in game one he touched thefloor for one minute.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
Yep yeah, like you gotta give the pacers something
else to think about.
Yeah, the paces are toocomfortable playing this
rotation, this set rotationright now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Too comfortable yeah, make it a dog fight.
That's what you want.
Make this thing a dog fightwith andre jackson jr playing
defense, jericho sims playingdefense.
Give them something.
But right now you, you can't.
The bucks cannot go toe-to-toeoffensively with anybody.
They can't go florida.
I was watching.

(01:27:24):
I, because I didn't have thegame on.
I was on the espn app and I waswatching.
You know it gives you the, theplay-by-play or whatever the
game cast, and I'm watching.
It's like boom, boom, boom,back and forth, back and forth.
I'm like the bucks can't keepup in a game like this, not with
Dame being rusty, becauseyou're asking for guys just to
fire up threes at that point andthe Bucs cannot keep up with
that.
So when I look at that, I'mlike you've got to do something.

(01:27:44):
Like you're saying do somethingelse, bring in some defenders,
slow the game down, try to win adogfight.
Right now you're going back toMilwaukee.
Don't make it the Pacers kindof game.
The Pacers want to run.
They want you to turn thebasketball over.
They want you to do thosestupid things.
That's what you're doing.
You're playing into their handsExactly, we'll see.

(01:28:06):
I mean, we'll see.
This could get ugly Game three,could be ugly Game three, I
believe.
When is game three that comesup on the 20.
Oh, goodness gracious, what isthat?
Do they play Thursday now?

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
They might play like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Friday 25th, friday Friday.
So they'll play Friday and thenSunday.
They'll have Friday and thenSunday and then game five if
necessary.
So that will be all the way onthe 29th, so next Tuesday there.
So I mean, maybe, kyle, we'retalking Bucs.
Well, we're going to talk Bucsnext time.
Kyle's on.
We got to wrap it up here.
We're way over, we're way pastright Top of the hour here.

(01:28:43):
But I mean we're going to talkBucs next time.
It's just, are we talking abouta continuation of the series?
Are we talking about this nexttime?
There, kyle, I mean one lastthing before you get out of here
.
Looking at these series rightnow, which one, let me ask you
last time, which one intriguedyou the most?

(01:29:04):
Which one, now that they'vestarted, is intriguing you the
most?
What's one that you really like?
Man, this series is fun towatch.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
I mean it's still kind of Nuggets, Clippers and
Pistons Knicks.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Look, I'm more confident the Pistons get it
done after what I saw in Game 2.
I like that.
I like that.
And yeah, they were giving Catfits.
They were giving Jalen Brunsonfits out there.
What did you think?
Anthony Edwards yelling intothe crowd?
He said some choice words intothe crowd there.
I'm not going to say them hereon the radio, but you guys can
go look them up if you want.
What did you think about that?
I see that and I'm like thisneeds to stop.

(01:29:46):
You guys got to beprofessionals.
I think there's a line and yougot to be professionals, right.

Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
Yeah, look, ant is still young, he's still got some
immaturity in him, and that'swhere you see it when he does
stuff like that.
Yeah 100%.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
I mean, like I said, you guys want to see what he
said.
You can look it up and figurethat one out for yourself there.
But I would agree Knicks andPistons, that was a great game
too that we saw there.
I want to see the Warriors.
I want to see the Warriors forsome reason beat the Rockets.
I have always, like ever sinceit's just been Steph against the
world in Golden State, I'vejust wanted to see the Warriors

(01:30:23):
do something every single yearbecause it's just fun, like
Steph.
Watching Steph play is just funthere, and watching him in Game
1 there against the Rockets.
That was fun basketball.
Jimmy Buckets is playing wellfor him too.
So we'll see how that serieskind of shakes out there between
the Warriors and the Rockets.
Put some good stuff there, nbawise here.
So, hey, kyle, thank you asalways for coming on.
We'll have Kyle back next week.

(01:30:43):
We're going to have a littlebit more time to talk, hopefully
more Bucs basketball, likeseason continuing, not wrapping
up the season.
We'll talk more NBA next time.
And then, hey, we're going tohave Kyle on next time.
We're gonna talk mlb too.
I want to get wide spectrum mlb, so we'll have kyle on for that
too.
So, kyle, thanks for coming on.
As always, we'll be back hereat the after this commercial
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We got a little bit more brewertalk and then we're gonna wrap

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So hey.
I want to talk Brewers here.
We talked Bucs in the lastlittle segment there.
I want to talk Brewers nowbecause I'm looking at this
Brewer team right now.
It's been, yeah well, you know,as of late, right, brewers been

(01:32:31):
playing well and I want to talkabout some of the tidbits that
have been coming out of a lot ofBrewer fans.
Mouths right, because Brewerfans, I love Brewer fans and
they also drive me nuts at thesame time because we are very,
some optimistic and some very Idon't know what the word would
be Very upset.

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We're very upset people.
We are very standards, not veryhigh, and some have high
standards and have never beenmet.
I don't know what those highhigh standards are, what their
expectations are, uh.
But I wanted to mention loganhenderson, the, the rookie,
fantastic first outing there theother day.
Uh, that six innings, threehits, one earned run, nine

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strikeouts.
He was fantastic.
He did get sent back down tothe minors.
They want to keep him as astarter.
So the big thing was, withtobias myers coming back, they
had to find a roster spot, youknow, for him out there and
logan anderson had just pitchedthey also.
The thing with it is you don'twant to move into the bullpen,
because then his usage changesup, you know, because you want
to have him as a backup starter,just in case.
So you send him back down,triple a, keep him going as a,

(01:33:34):
keep giving them the extendedinnings, everything like that,
and then if you need them again,you know, hopefully no injuries
, right, knock on wood.
But if there is, then you'reable to bring them back up.
So we see him going down there.
Last night Also, jacobMizorowski had a fantastic
outing down there in Nashvillesix innings, one hit, eight
strikeouts and one walk.
So, jacob Mizorowski, downthere in the minors too, there's
a lot of fantastic stuff goingdown in the AAA portion there.

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Tobias Myers I just mentionedit there he is slated to start
Thursday for the Brewers thereagainst San Francisco.
So the depth is starting toreturn for this Brewers pitching
staff and I'm excited.
I'm excited right, because youlook at the potential of this
rotation, when everybody comesback, like everybody's coming
back, when they're all back.

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Right, the potential rotationFreddy Peralta, tobias Myers,
chad Patrick, jose Quintana andBrandon Woodruff Nice, nice,
everybody.
And if you tell me that youweren't one of these people, I

(01:34:39):
would be very surprised.
Everybody was at the point thisspring when they said, right at
the start of the season, why didwe go out and get more starting
pitching?
Why did we go get more startingpitching?
Why did we do this?
Why did Matt Arnold go out andgrab these guys?
And it's just like, okay, I getit.
We had no starters left.
We had Elvin Rodriguez startfor a while.
We didn't know and grab theseguys and it's just like, okay, I
get it.
We have no starters left.
We're kind of diving into the.
We had Elvin Rodriguez startfor a while there.

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We didn't know what the heckwas happening.
But now you look at it andyou're like, okay, maybe that's
why they looked at the injuriesthey had and said, well, tobias
will be back pretty soon.
We have Jose Quintana's rampingup.
Brandon Woodruff is more of amiraculous thing.
But you had Cortez.
You didn't think he was goingto hurt.
You're kind of in that boatwhere it's like we got guys.

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It's just can we survive untilthose guys are back?
Because if we added another guyto this fold, look at what we
had to do with Henderson.
We had to send him down to theminors just because we didn't
have a spot for him.
Henderson was fantastic in hisdebut Nine strikeouts.
The number one in moststrikeouts in a rookie debut was

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Freddie Peralta with 13 againstthe Rockies there.
Remember that that was a greatgame.
Now we look back and it's like,okay, logan Henderson was right
up there, but he gets designatedNot designated, but he gets
optioned right away.
Why?
Because they just didn't havethe room at the big league level
for him, because they got guysreturning.
What would you have done if youwould have brought in all these
guys?
Right, because I love TobiasMyers.

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Tobias Myers is fantastic If hepitches like he did last year,
if he can get back to that form,what we saw last season there.
Who were you going to replacehim with?
Chad Patrick has been fantastic.
Jose Quintana fantastic.
Brandon Woodruff you're goingto not bring back Woody.

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It's one of those things whereit's like I get it, I get
everything.
All the complaining andeverything like that.
I understand it, but at thesame time you had the depth.
It's just a matter of gettingthe depth healthy, and the depth
is getting healthy and once itdoes, you just had to survive
until then.
Now it's healthy and now it'slike let's go, let's go.
This is like free agency tradedeadline.

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Put it all together.
This was what you were hopingfor was around this time.
You were going to get theseguys back and you still have
guys coming back.
Right, aaron savalli still gotto come back.
Cortez is on the 60 dial now.
I have no idea that was wild,because the report that I saw
was cortez wasn't that bad likehe was, still, he wasn't hurt

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like he wasn't.
He was hurt, but he wasn't hurt, hurt, right, and it wasn't
that bad and the the screeningdidn't show much.
And then all of a sudden it'soh, now he's on the 60 dial.
What happened, right, whathappened from now to then?
I was expecting Cortez back atsome point.
But either way, now he's on the60-day IL.
So Cortez is out for a littlebit, but you're going to get
Savali back.
You have a lot of weapons now, alot of arms, if you can keep

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him healthy.
You've got a lot of arms.
Henderson, you have mizorowski.
I just mentioned there beforeyou still mizorowski down there
and at some point.
I know we're talking picturesright now, but dad's cameron's
gonna come back up.
I saw it.
I keep seeing him across.
Uh, the minor league, dad'scameron, the son of mike cameron
.
He came over in that trade forgrant wolfram from the orioles.

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He's homered in three straightgames.
I just saw the other nightthere.
He's been fantastic.
I mean I don't know if it'sgoing to translate to big league
level, but you got anotheroutfielder down there.
But back to the pitchers, right,oh right, mine's all over the
place.
Back to the pitchers.
I, I'm excited.
I'm excited to see what's goingto happen with this Brewers

(01:38:10):
roster Once these guys come back, once Woodruff comes back, once
you have a full rotation, likeI just said there, of Freddie
Myers, patrick, quintana andWoody.
That is a good rotation.
I don't care whatever way youwant to set it up.
Freddie's been great.
So you want to set up FreddieMyers, quintana, woody I don't
know who you're going to go with.
If you win three-game series,if all those guys come back and

(01:38:34):
they're pitching as we believethey can, who do you go with?
I don't even know.
I don't even know.
I'm not even going to get tospeculation at this point here,
but I love where this Brewersteam's at right now.
So that's been great.
That's been great stuff there.
I did see another thing DoesJackson Churio need to take more

(01:38:58):
walks?
Because the way that it sitsright now, Jackson Churio.
I mean I love the guy.
Jackson Churio is a talent,he's a definite talent, but he I
don't, has he walked at all?
I don't believe he's walked atall.
Last time I had seen it,Jackson Shuriel, last time, two

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walks, two walks on the entireyear.
Last time I looked so you gottwo walks on the entire year.
Does he need to walk more?
I think it's going to come downto the fact of once these guys
I mean he's been hitting wellright, 260.
Not great, but well, once theseguys kind of start to figure him
out and start to pitch aroundthe zone because he's not prone

(01:39:45):
to walking, I think that isgoing to become an issue.
So it is an issue, right, Ithink it is an issue Because if
he starts chasing a lot, hemight be making contact.
But is it good contact?
Because if you're chasingaround the zone sometimes it's
not great contact and then yourun into issues in that sense
because you're just sending outlittle bloopers or whatever it

(01:40:07):
is, little dribblers back tosecond base or back to the pitch
or whatever it is.
So I would say that the lack ofwalks I'm not nervous yet, but
they could most definitely leadto problems down the road
Because, like I said, once youstart to figure them out I mean

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pitchers they're smart, right,big league pitching coaches are
smart, they'll figure you out.
They're smart, right, big leaguepitching coaches are smart,
they'll figure you out.
And then, once they do, it'sthe adjustment right.
And if they start pitching himaround the zone because he's
prone to chasing instead ofdrawing walks, well that's a
problem.
So that's where I'm kind of atwith the walk thing right now.

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Is it a problem?
Right now I wouldn't say so.
Could it be?
Yes, because he does have 25strikeouts on the year now he
did have five in one game, sothat definitely was not good way
to start the year.
Right, but still 20 strikeoutsoutside of that kid, not great.
So the lack of walks to lead alot more strikeouts, the, the

(01:41:15):
on-base percentage, that 272 hiseyes batting average is almost
higher than his on-basepercentage, not generally
something that is that close innumbers.
But that's where he's at, sowe'll see.
I mean that maybe maybe hestarts strong walks, maybe he
starts becoming a little moreconfident up there taking
pitches.
Whatever he works counts likeit's not, like he doesn't work
counts he works, counts reallywell.

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It's just when he works counts.
He's driving like poking ballsout he's, he's following things
off, you know, and he's verygood at that.
He's very good at workingcounts.
It's just a matter of when he'sworking counts.
Can he also lay off bad pitches, because it's when he's
swinging at curveballs in thedirt or he's swinging at this
and that that's when I have anissue.
Okay, so that's kind of whereI'm at right now with the

(01:41:58):
jackson turio thing.
Craig yoho I he made his debutthere with the brewers.
I thought that was.
It was funny that his change-updropped so much that the mlb at
bad app did not know it was achange-up.
It came in as a curveball.
That's how they recorded I.
I had to take a littlescreenshot of the screen there
because I didn't believe I waslike he't throw, like he's not
throwing a curveball.
His main pitch is a changeup.

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That is yep, he was throwing achangeup and they just it
registered in as a curveballthere, so that I thought that
was quite humorous.
He gave up a run.
I mean it's whatever.
It's his first outing.
I'm not going to throw the bookin on Craig Yoho.
I think he's fantastic.
I think he's got great stuff.
So we'll see what he can kindof develop into for the Brewers

(01:42:38):
there.
I thought that was a greatbring up for him.
Yoel Pajams is kind of on theropes right now.
He's been taken out of the highleverage situations.
He's kind of in the not reallyany leverage at all.
Just maybe if they're kickingthe butt out of somebody or, you
know, if it's an ugly gamethey're getting their butt
kicked.
We see Yoel Pajams, but outsideof that I just Yoel Pajams is
kind of at the end of the roperight now and it's a question of

(01:43:00):
do they kick them into thewater?
Because the thing with it is iswhen you send Yoel Pajams has
to be designated for assignment.
He can't go anywhere else, hedoesn't have options.
He has to be designated.
So if you get rid of YoelPajams you have to designate him
.
A lot of Brewer fans that'sokay For the Brewers.
They still see something thereand they see him as a guy who's
tipping pitches right now.
So if you can get rid of that,does that fix Yoel Pimes?

(01:43:24):
I don't know.
I would have thought they wouldhave been able to figure this
one out by now.
They haven't Because his firstouting the other night there he
gave a home run.
Now a couple nights ago Ibelieve he came in for a third
of an inning there and he gotout of it on a fly ball.
So good news there.
Right, didn't give up anythingin a third of an inning, but
after that, I mean, we're kindof at the point where I don't

(01:43:46):
know.
I will see what the brewers do,what they want to do with that
bullpen.
I mean, I, if there's one thingthat I believe the brewers know
and what they can do well isdevelop and create and make good
pitchers Like Grant Anderson'sbeen fantastic for him.
Grant Anderson, coming out ofspring even you listen to Pat
Murphy, he's like.
This guy even surprised me.
Grant Anderson 13 innings he'sgiven up, I believe, five runs

(01:44:09):
in total there on 12 hits, fivewalks, 15 strikeouts.
He's been great for the Brewers, been great it's.
You know those surprising guysthat the Brewers are able to fix
.
Now it's a question of do theBrewers still believe that they
can fix a guy like Joel Pions,or is it kind of, yeah, yeah,

(01:44:31):
joel Pions is about at the endof the ropes.
He's one of your most usedbullpen arms.
Looking at it, canings at 12games.
And then you look at Abner Rebahe's one of your most used uh
bullpen arms.
Looking at it, canings at 12games.
And then you look at abnerrebates pitching 10 games, and
so is the old pion.
So he's one of your most usedrelievers.
I just don't think he should.
I, I am.
I'm at the end of what yellowpions could do.
If you think you can fix them,maybe designate him for
assignment, see if you can comeback to triple a and see if you

(01:44:53):
can fix them from there or rightright now at the big league
level.
I just I don't see a benefit ofhaving them up there.
So I mean, we got a little bitmore brewer talk.
I want to talk a little JoeyOrtiz.
When I come back from the breakhere Joey Ortiz is in the news.
He hasn't been hitting well.
I want to talk a little JoeyOrtiz, and then I want to wrap
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So, hey, we went to the break.
We were talking about theBrewers, talking about the
pitching.
What we've seen as of late hereTerang, frelick, they're off to
Torrid starting so far thisyear.
I mean we see Terang andFrelick both still batting above
.300 there.
Hoskins is starting to comealong nice and he's starting to

(01:46:16):
feel it at the plate.
He's starting to see the ballbetter, drive it to different
parts of the ballpark there andthe long ball has been there
again for Reese Hoskins.
So love to see that there's.
Reese is starting to heatup.
One guy who hasn't and sadlythis was a guy that I was really
hoping high hopes for headinginto this season, joey Ortiz.
Heading into this season, joeyOrtiz, I said Joey Ortiz, this

(01:46:39):
is a guy where he's going to betaking over for Willie Adamas.
You just wanted to see him showyou something.
177 so far, not great right?
Not great at all.
Maybe, just maybe at some point, at some point he finds it, but

(01:47:01):
as of right now, not yet.
So I I did a little deep dive.
I want, I looked around and Iwas searching articles and
everything like that and I waslike, okay, where can I?
I'm looking around, I'm likewhat?
I want to find out what's goingon with joey ortiz?
Because there has to besomebody who dove into the
numbers.
Well, somebody dove intonumbers Last season when you

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looked at his strike zones,where he was prone to swing
right, where he was looking toswing the inner half of the
plate.
Last season he wanted to makepitchers work the inner half.
He didn't really swing, outerhalf, he wanted to make guys.
He wouldn't really nibble outthere.
He let pitchers go outside allthey wanted.
He was going to swing if he hadto, but he was looking for the
inside part of the plate.

(01:47:44):
He wanted the inside pitch, hewanted to pull it right and he
had a great, fantastic tour.
It started for the Burrows,ended up getting hurt and then
he came back and he wasn't asgood.
But this season, when you lookat his strike zone, it's all
over the place Outer half, innerhalf.
He's high, he's low, he'scenter, he's everywhere, he's
swinging at everything and it'sat a high clip is the bad part

(01:48:06):
of it, because if you looked atit and you said, okay, it's not
so high on that outer half, buthe's still prone to the inner
half, it won't be so bad, not somuch.
Now.
I'm at the point now where I'mlooking at this and I'm looking
at the strike zones and in myopinion, it just doesn't look
like Joey Ortiz knows what he'slooking for, what does he want

(01:48:29):
to do, where is he looking andwhat is he looking to drive
Hitters.
They love to find their spot,their pitches, right, those
pitches that they.
That's theirs, that's theirspot, where they're looking all
the time, and it's what he hadfigured out last year.
He's always looking in her half.
Right now, you look at salfrelich with for the brewers and

(01:48:50):
he's looking in.
He's looking in her half.
He's looking to pull it, pullthe hands in and drive it right,
turn on it real fast.
Portrayrand's looking all overthe place.
He's just going to slap theball wherever it is.
But Sal's been looking in herhalf.
Joey Ortiz I just don't believehe has a clue where he's
looking and that is a hugeproblem.
So I mean, also there was.

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They also went off his swingspeed and his swing speed is
down 1.7 miles per hour fromlast year.
It was 73 last year.
Now he's only averaging about71, 73 to 71.
So the bat speed went down alittle bit.
Now it's not crazy, but it'sstill something to keep an eye

(01:49:34):
on because with that bat speedgoing down, that has some things
to do with reaching that insidepart of the plate too.
So yeah, I mean I'm kind oflooking at this right now and
saying to myself Dorotees is ina hole and looking at the

(01:49:54):
numbers and what we're seeingright now.
And looking at the numbers andwhat we're seeing right now, I
don't is there a worry?
Yes, yes, because I justmentally I don't think he's.
He hasn't been able to figureout what he wants, what he's
looking for, and that's aproblem.
That's a huge problem.

(01:50:16):
So we'll see.
We'll see if maybe, see ifmaybe hitting coaches can work
with him there Then get him kindof figured out.
But we'll wait andsee.
On that one there, caleb Durbinhas been fantastic since coming
up.
Like I mentioned early on inthe season, before this thing
even started, I said armstrength was my only worry at
third base.
So far he's been fine.
He's been fine over there atthird.
He's been playing welldefensively.

(01:50:37):
So far he's been fine.
He's been fine over there atthird.
He's been playing welldefensively.
The Brewers as a whole havebeen playing well defensively.
So you love to see that.
My only worry right now is Iwas just mentioning the Joey
Ortiz it's not as big of aconcern if other guys continue
tocarry.
If Reese Hoskins continues tofigure it out and then Christian
Yelich comes along and WilliamContreras comes along and you

(01:50:57):
have guys like Sal and Bryce,terang and Jackson Turio hitting
.
You can kind of hide a guy likeJoey Ortiz in a lineup.
Problem is right now he sticksout like a sore thumb because
the rest of them are struggling.
Otherwise you got six, sevenguys who are hitting are hitting
semi-consistently, like we'veseen with Sharia, with Terang,

(01:51:18):
with Frelick, contreras, yelichand Hoskins.
Maybe Mitchell starts gettingit going.
You've got that kind ofconsistency, I mean you can hide
a guy like Ortiz.
Do you want to know?
But you want to.
You also look at it like, okayif he struggles a little bit,
it's not so bad If he hits two,two, 20, whatever.
It's not so bad if you've gotto sacrifice it for a good
defensive shortstop for now,because it's for

(01:51:40):
now.
You've got prospects down thereyou're going to bring up,
they're going to take a spoteventually.
Right, I'm not in the boat ofwe need to throw Joey Ortiz off
the plank yet.
He's not walking the plank,he's okay yet.
So we'll wait and see.
I mean, we'll wait and see whathappens with the Brewers there.
But hey, I mean the Brewers.
They got a couple good gamesgoing up here.
They got San Francisco.
They're going to wrap up thisseries with San Francisco here

(01:52:01):
coming up tomorrow there withTobias Myers on the mound.
And then we got St Louis.
They're going to be heading toSt Louis there for the weekend
before taking on the White Soxand then coming back home for
the Cubs there in that nextweekend.
They got all the way until nextweekend there.
They're going to be on theroad.
I just wanted to get off thiswest coast, because I'm sick of
watching these west coast gamesthere.
So with that I mean it wasgreat show today.

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