May 22, 2025 • 43 mins
In this episode of Wisdom on the Front Porch, LS Kirkpatrick engages with Katherine Martin-Fisher to discuss balancing business and personal life, offering insights into business coaching and scaling. They explore the importance of business diversity and building strong team relationships, emphasizing the need to adapt to different entrepreneurial learning styles. Self-care strategies for entrepreneurs are highlighted, along with the significance of embracing the present moment. The conversation extends to fostering confidence and communication in children facing challenges and the ripple effect of kindness. Katherine shares thoughts on her giving book and encourages contributions to nonprofits, concluding with her contact information for further engagement.
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Hi, and welcome to another podcast with wisdomon the front porch.
I know you see the books behind me.
You see that on reading between the words.
But today, we're here with books because I'vegot an announcement to make.
But my guest is Catherine Martin Fisher, andI'm so glad she's here.
Catherine, how are you today?
I'm doing great, and thank you so much, Ellis,for having me on the podcast with you.
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Oh, I'm so glad.
I've I've talked with Catherine quite a bitbecause we're kinda in the same podcast
community, and so it's it's just my honor tohave you here.
So I'm gonna let you tell our audience a littlebit about who you are, what you do, and why you
do what you do.
So I'm Catherine Martin Fischer.
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I am a 10x certified business coach, and I'mthe host of the Beyond Business Podcast.
And what I do is I help to elevate people intheir message through my podcast community to
help them be able to tell the world what it isthat they do.
But I also am able to help people who areworking, you know, that wanna scale their
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businesses, scale their lives, scale theirbusinesses, change their mindset, be able to
help them to increase their revenue.
And in order to do that so many times, thereare other things.
That's why I called my podcast, the BeyondBusiness Podcast, because there's so much more
to life than just your business.
Everything affects everything.
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Your business affects your home life.
Your home life affects your business life.
And so, so I just help people be able to getmore clarity in that in those areas.
That's awesome.
I'm so glad to do that.
What got you started in this?
Is it something you've always done?
So I've always loved marketing.
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I've always loved people.
I love people and I love making a difference inthe lives of people.
And so the thing, you know, I was a single momfor fourteen years and I always had to find
creative ways to earn income.
And one of the things was buildingrelationships and building relationship is
really a thing that I love.
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It's close to my heart.
I feel like if you can connect with people andyou can change lives, then everything else just
comes along with it.
And so I found that that was my love.
And so my becoming a 10x business coach hasallowed me to be able to help people in other
ways to, you know, like I said, to scale theirbusiness, but also to scale their mindset.
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There's so many times that that's the piecethat might need the help.
Right?
And so, you know, it's just being very creativeand wanting to connect with people is my why.
That's awesome.
I love that.
So when people wanna scale up, what does thatreally mean?
Sorry for my phone.
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Because I know I've talked with a few peopleand it's like they kinda have different ideas
of what it means to scale up.
So what does that mean to you?
So what that means to me is that so many timespeople start with a dream in their heart and
they just are they they have this passion forfor the thing that they wanna do, that they
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wanna bring to the world.
But then they quickly go into overwhelm becausethey they suffer from things such as cash flow,
sales, marketing.
And then if they have a team, it affects theircompany culture.
And so when you talk about scaling, it'sdifferent for everyone.
But if you have this passion and you have thisdrive of what you want to bring, but you don't
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know how to market yourself, then you're notgoing to be able to blow up because, you know,
if they don't know you, they don't flow you.
That's a Grant Cardone quote.
But part of that is also being able to take theinformation that you have and the passion that
you have and send that to the others.
Because if your team doesn't know how to dowhat it is that you do, because you might be
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the best at what you do, but you have to beable to transfer that to them.
Right.
That they are then the ones, you have otherpeople who are helping you in that scale.
Nice, nice.
So do you work mostly with CEOs, with businessleaders, or do you work with a whole team?
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So I can do both, but my niche really is beingable to work with anyone from being a startup
up to, I would say 200, two 50 employee companywhere I'm able to work individually with teams.
So if like a department of a team and if theyneed help learning sales skills, how to close
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the sale, overcome objections, follow ups,things like that.
You know, I can work individually with peoplewho are just you know, they're starting up, but
they're they're needing to to learn how tomarket themselves.
Those seems to be like a really good niche forme.
Yeah.
And there's a lot of people starting out asentrepreneurs who don't know how to market
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themselves, who who try and try and they justthink, okay.
Nobody wants my stuff or I'm no good at this,so I'm just gonna quit.
And you don't want to quit.
You know?
Don't quit.
Find someone like Katherine too to help youlearn how to do that because it is a skill, and
it can be learned.
And the more you learn, the better you're gonnado and the better your company's gonna do.
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So Sometimes having this the skill sets of likeyou said, is those pieces of, you know, how if
how do you how do you not give up?
Well, sometimes you need to know what theprocess is as you're going along with a client
to understand how to follow-up, how to keepwith them, how to scale up.
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In order to do that, there's a relationship.
It's all about relationships really.
Right.
When building that relationship and notstopping that process.
And I have I've had to do that myself.
As I'm teaching others so many times, you'relearning so much more by teaching others as
well.
Yes.
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That's true.
That's true.
The best way to learn something is you have toteach others.
So if if you don't know what you're talkingabout, it's gonna show through when you're
you're teaching.
So, you know, I used to think, well, teachershave it so easy.
They don't have to do anything, but I noticedthat there's a difference in teachers.
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There are the teachers who just show up everyday and regurgitate what the book says.
Then there's the teachers who actually learnwhat you need to learn so they can be better at
teaching you how you can do that.
Now that brings me up to a question.
Everybody has different learning styles.
So how do you work with that?
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Because some people can just take off this,like, here, follow these steps, and they follow
those steps, and they're just going like gangbangers.
Other people see that, and they're like, well,I don't understand what these steps are.
And it's like, what do I do with them once I'vegot them?
So how do you how do you work with people withtheir different learning lifestyles?
Well, what I'm learning to do now is work withpeople who are visual learners.
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People who are auditory learners, andkinesthetic learners.
So what happens is you don't really realize,and this is a skill when you understand that
there's these different types of learners.
And what happens is when you're speaking tothem, so if you're a visual learner, you wanna
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have something that you can show them a chartand you can do it in writing.
You wanna show them the way you show themslides.
But then when you're an auditory learner, youlisten to the things that they listen to, they
hear is, you have to talk about the hearing.
You want them to understand in the hearing,they can hear you, they understand and they can
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get it.
I always just, honestly, I was always jealousof the people who could just hear and remember
it all because it's like, Oh no.
But then there's the kinesthetic learner andyou will lose them if you are not having them
do something, so they learn And sounderstanding the different learners is really
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part of how to teach so that when you'reteaching, you're able to speak to all the
different learners.
Yeah.
And that's a really good good thing to bring upbecause sometimes we're talking to somebody and
it's like we know we've lost them, but have welost them because we're not paying attention to
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what they're they're doing?
Are they wanting to see something?
Are they listening?
And they hear everything, but maybe you'resaying it to a kinesthetic learner, and they
don't wanna deal with that.
Right?
So those are important things to do.
Now one thing that all entrepreneurs do is workreally hard.
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And you and I talked about this a little bitbefore the show is self care.
How important is self care in a business andwhat are some things that you might have
learned along the way about it?
So this is so interesting because, you know,sometimes I don't really realize that I'm just
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going, going, going and not stop.
And so it was brought to my attention that it'sactually important to do this.
Now, I was good at this at one point in mylife, but I think as I've moved along, when
you're learning something new, you're all in,right?
And when you're all in, you forget that youneed to have that time to step back, take a
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deep breath and actually refocus because bygiving yourself, you can't keep giving on an
empty cup.
And so one of the things I found out thisweekend, actually I was gifted for Mother's
Day, a a women's retreat, and you had to getrid of the cell phones and put them in a basket
and not be Now, I was taking pictures for theretreat, so I want to just clarify that I did
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have to do that piece, but it was great becausethat's just my gift.
That's my love language.
And so they allowed me to do that.
But the phones away, everybody said at the endwas I found even personally that not having
gone on social media and not having doneanything for the weekend, just the weekend,
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just to disconnect and journal, taking thattime to journal, do yoga, go through nature,
spend time with the earth, put your feet in thewaterfalls and just be able to just be, just
be.
And every cell in your body reacts to thatbeautiful energy of nature.
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What I realized was I'm actually much moreproductive.
My energy level is up.
I got to exercise and deep breathe.
We did breathing exercises.
So many times what they taught us was eventaking five minutes of doing breath work before
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you start your day, when you're getting readyto get on, let's say a podcast or you're
getting ready to do something, you know, whenit's social media related or anything at all or
go into an important meeting, there are ways inwhich we could meditate and do it in such a
short period where you're doing certainbreathing exercises.
That was so literally enlightening for mebecause I am a go, go, go person.
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And if you're an A type personality, I willtell you those people, it's hard to stop.
And so what you want to do is be able to beself aware because that will give you, you'll
be then giving from a full cup instead of anempty cup.
Right.
Right.
And, you know, one the things I've learned todo is I actually take a whole day on Wednesday,
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partly because we're out in the country and ittakes so long to get anywhere.
We're in Texas.
It takes forever to get anywhere.
But, yeah, taking that one day because on theweekends, I do not stop.
I still am doing work.
I'm still, you know, either researching orhelping people with their books or or getting
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things ready to publish or formatting, whateverit is.
And I'm still answering calls, doing Facebookstuff, whatnot, and things with my family.
You know, we're part of the the fire firedepartment, which is, you know, volunteer, and
so we're doing things there, things my husbandwants to do.
Same thing on Sunday.
And it's like, I really don't have a day justfor me to recharge, to go plant flowers, to go
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sit on the porch and enjoy the nature aroundme, to go visit my friends.
I mean, we all get so busy with work and withfamily and with all the things we have to do.
Do we ever take time just to go visit a friend,to go say hi, go get a cup of coffee, and and
just enjoy the day?
And and I started missing those things, andit's like, why am I running this business if I
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don't get to enjoy life too?
And so it gives you a chance to do that.
Now not everybody can do that.
Sometimes you have to just take couple hours ina day or something.
What's what kind of a schedule do you think youhave or are you looking forward to doing to get
that self care time?
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Well, what I like what you've said is, youknow, you've taken a day during the week.
Because what I find is and and, you know, andforgive me if this is just, you know, as women,
as women, we have a tendency because we'realways caring for everyone else and everyone
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else's needs.
The weekends many times includes having tostill care for everyone.
So it's not really what others might consider aweekend off is still a weekend of working
because you not only have your work, but thenyou have your partner, you have your home, you
have other things that need cared for.
And so sometimes that taking the day off duringthe week.
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So yesterday after doing the retreat, I had todo some, you know, there are things When you
live on a farm, there are things that have tobe done by a certain date.
And I gave myself permission and it was aweekday.
And it was like, wow, I'm doing this during theweek.
And I just literally took the day and I said, Iam going to take this time and accomplish this.
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And I did, I made sure that all of the flowerswere done and everything because they must be
done before the end of the So that for thesummer they're blooming beautifully.
So it has to be done in the spring.
And it's always been the thing.
And I've been on this farm for almost sixteenyears now.
And in that time, it's like clockwork everyyear.
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When hay has to be done, the hay has to bedone.
There are flowers that This is just the wayfarms work.
And so with that permission, it was so freeing.
And I said, you know, this needs to be thething that I do because during the weekends,
have, you know, my husband wants to do thingsand, you know, we have other things to do.
And so I thought, this is a great idea to fillmy cup and take a day trip from time to time
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and just be able to take a day trip to thebeach or do, you know, just to give myself that
breathing space because I find that I'm so muchmore creative when I have a minute to just be
with myself and not be busy in my head or busywith meetings or busy with things that I have
to do, then I am a hundred times moreproductive because I took the time for me and
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my creative juices then really start flowing.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And I find that even you know, for me, I takeWednesday, middle of the week.
You know, if I have doctor's appointments,whatever, you know, for me, I do that.
But I also find that when Tuesday is here, I'mnot like dragging.
It's like, oh, I guess it's not Wednesday yet.
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I am energized because I know I've gotWednesday coming up.
So that energy anticipating Wednesday actuallykeeps everything flowing like you were saying,
keeps the creativity going.
It keeps the energy going.
It it's just amazing to have, and it's like Idon't know.
It's just a yippee.
You know?
It is.
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It's not like you're working five days a weekand ugh, the weekend's finally here.
I can hardly wait, and you're kinda slow onFriday.
I found it to be very different because Ienjoyed those Wednesdays so much to just get
away from everything and do things that Iwouldn't normally do.
You know?
And I'm doing more artwork than I've done inthe past, and and and I know it's a little more
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difficult when you have kids at home, whenyou're homeschooling and still running your
business, but you've got to find some timesomewhere in there that is just yours.
And I kinda wonder if I got the idea fromStephen King.
He I watched an interview of his, and it's onYouTube.
And I'm sorry.
Don't remember what it's called right now.
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But he was talking about how he when he goes towrite, he actually goes up in his office.
He doesn't take his cell phone.
He doesn't have a TV.
He doesn't have a radio.
I don't even think he has a laptop in there.
He types on the the old school typewriter, andhe closes the door.
He says nobody interrupts him.
The kids don't interrupt him.
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They don't tell him about school.
They don't tell him about the games he's gotgoing on or anything else.
Wife does interrupt him about what you want fordinner.
Nobody interrupts him unless the house isbringing down around him literally.
So that time is his to write and to stayfocused on it.
And I think when we use that same principle forourselves to give us that self care to say,
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everything else is shut out.
This is me to get that energy back to find outwho I am to see if I still am who I think I am.
You know to get to just have fun to releaseeverything and it makes a huge difference.
Like you were saying, you you got thataccomplished, and you loved it because now it's
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accomplished.
You know it's done.
It's ready to go.
You don't have to worry about it anymore, butit was fun to go out there and get your hands
in the dirt and spend time outside.
And we spend so much time inside that we forgetto just enjoy being outside without
electronics, without cell phones, withoutlooking to see if anybody answered.
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Go ahead.
It's important for our health.
Of the things that's clear, every woman thatwas on that retreat said, this was so freeing,
just so freeing to not have to check messagesand not have check text messages and emails.
You feel like the world's gonna crumble ifyou're not in touch with it.
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But honestly, everyone collectively said, andeveryone was in different business industries
and some of them were nurses and all of themhad children.
And so I'm at a different level because I'veraised children, I have grandchildren.
I'm at a whole different place in life andredoing myself in setting out in a new career.
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And so with that, I will say that just beingable to disconnect is important, but putting
your feet, that's what I that's the thought Iwas going with.
Putting your feet on the earth, literally.
We are building machines now to help earth us.
When we could be doing it our simply, likegoing out, take your shoes off, go in the
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grass.
You know, if you're on a beach, the sand,because the electric magnetic energy, the
negative energy of your body actually goes outand you're able to put positive, good energy
into your cells and it actually is very healthyfor your body to do that.
You don't have
to find
a machine to do it.
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Yeah.
And and you know, it's interesting that whenyou've got kids and you've got that those
little kiddie pools with water, just putting achair there and putting your feet in the water
in the sunshine on a day, what a differencethat makes.
Just that connection, you know, letting thingsflow.
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You know, get the flip flops off at Saturdayafternoon, whatever.
Sunday afternoon, you know, church is over.
Nothing else is going on.
And just putting your feet in the water and andjust letting yourself be.
Huge difference.
So, yeah, we don't need big technologyexpensive machines.
Just go get a little kiddie pool.
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Go get a plastic tub or wear a Rubbermaid tub,put water in it, but just let your feet
be in right.
I love that you're saying that because thatbrings a thought to mind here is, I've raised
children.
When my children were younger, I ran a daycareout of my home.
And one of the things that I find very valuablethat we forget because this is the other gift
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that I got out of this retreat was beingpresent.
Yes.
It made me have to reflect on all the times I'mnot present.
I may be there, but I'm somewhere else.
And when you're not present in that moment, andso if you're a young mom with children, just
know that it's a season.
The season will be over because the childrenwill grow up.
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And then when you're a grandparent, again, it'sa season because you're, again, you're in that
season.
So what I learned was when are the times in mylife where I wasn't present?
So a lot of times when you're raising children,you're go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
But you forget to get down on the floor and bepresent.
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And that was probably one of the biggest giftsI got this weekend was learning to be present
in the moment and stop thinking about the nextthing, the next thing.
And we all talked about that.
It's just like that was collectively the otherpiece that by not being on the electronics the
whole time and not being worried about allthese other things that you could actually be
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in a moment of presence.
And that is a gift to others because thenyou're really with them.
You really have that conversation with them.
You're not somewhere else while you're having aconversation.
With children the same, they want your time.
They just want you to look at them eyeball toeyeball and And so that's important.
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And whether you're in business and with aclient, you wanna be present with them.
Yes.
Definitely.
And, you know, being on our cell phones, we'renot being present.
Even though we're answering or talking, you'redividing yourself, and you need to not do that.
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Just take the few minutes just to look at theperson while you're talking when you're having
a conversation.
Makes a huge difference.
It really does.
And, yeah, I just don't know how else to expandon that right now, but it's you brought that
being that present in every moment, whetherit's at work or at home, Talking with with a
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new client, you know, we get busy writing downwhat they're saying and stuff, and we forget to
just really connect with them.
I watched some of my first podcasts, and myhead is down this time because I'm writing down
what they're saying, and I'm looking for newquestions.
And I finally got rid of the notepad becauseit's like, I'll look at it.
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I you know, I record it.
We can watch the replay.
So I'm just gonna have a conversation now andand not do that.
You know, at first, was saying, well, whyshould I miss out on everything?
It's like, well, I'm not missing out because Ihave to watch it over when I do the edits or
anything else.
But but really learning to to be a part ofwhat's going on.
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And sometimes it has to be a skill that welearn.
You know, when when my daughter-in-law firsthad her son and he's getting a little bit
older, she would just, you know, change him,clean him, feed him, all of that stuff.
But she didn't know how to just play with him.
And I said, it's easy.
You just see what they're doing, and you be apart of that.
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And you take the time to get down on the floor.
And and there was like, oh, but the floor isdirty, but your kids have to learn to crawl.
And it's like, look.
You clean your house.
I know you're a great house cleaner.
You don't have to worry about those things.
And a little bit of dirt is good.
Kids that get dirty are healthier in the longrun, but you're just down there with them at
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their level to where they are.
And I think that's very important no matter whowe are, what age we are, what we're doing.
You need to be present at the other person'slevel where they're at and meet them there.
I think it it not only helps you because nowyou're fully engaged, and you get to learn
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about them.
You get to really see them, and and there'sjust a different exchange that happens.
I just recently read something.
I can't remember the book I was reading.
But it talks about children and looking at themeye to eye.
So like a lot of times, even if you're in asupermarket and a child just looks at you and
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you look at them in the eye, they smile.
You're actually giving them a lot of positivefeedback just by looking at them in the eye and
smiling.
And that, like, is an immediate energy boost.
And it's an immediate energy boost to yourselftoo, because have you ever found yourself with,
you know, you're on a line and and all of asudden this little baby smiles at you and it's
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just like, you know, your whole, it's almostlike your whole energy just lifts because it
brings you joy.
So the same thing with people, you know, peoplewant to be understood.
People want to have communication andconnection.
A lot of times, you know, in today's world,we're missing that.
We're missing that the human connection witheach And with children getting down on the
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floor, Wayne Dyer had said that in one of hisbooks, and it really talked about literally
getting down on the floor with the child,eyeball to eyeball.
You will be surprised at things that child willtell you when you do that because there's a
trust that they have when you do that withthem.
And yeah, so I just I love reading, so I'm anavid reader.
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Nice.
Yeah.
So one of the other things I just thought oftoo is sometimes we have those kids that are
really shy, and the kids are usually keepingtheir heads down, you know, for whatever
reason.
And it could be even when they're two yearsold, you just notice that they're shy.
And so you take the time to help lift theirchin up, you know, just kindly and say, right
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here.
Look at me when you talk.
And help them to become comfortable doing that.
So when they get into school or when they getinto public situations, they can look somebody
in the eye instead of always being afraid.
And and sometimes kids don't know.
You know?
Sometimes they say it's genetic why they don'tdo that, you know, for whatever reason.
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But have them look you in the eye.
Like, I told you earlier when we were talkingabout the giving book.
I have a a grandson who's autistic.
And being able to look him in the eye really isno big deal.
You know, he's in his twenties now.
But some autistic kids do not like to be lookedin the eye.
So you have to think about where your child is.
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Just thought of something.
Coming back through the airport, I saw agentleman in a wheelchair, and he looked at me,
and he was waiting for a reaction from me.
Because a lot of people see someone in awheelchair, and they become uncomfortable
because they don't know how to talk.
And it's like so they kinda look away or theylook over their head or something like that.
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But I made direct eye contact with him, and Ismiled.
And I said, you have a great day.
And all a sudden, his demeanor changed, and hesmiled back.
And it's amazing how much just a simple littlething will do for somebody.
Because too many times people in wheelchairs orolder people or someone who has, I don't wanna
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say a handicap, but they have an ability that'sdifferent than other people.
Right.
People ignore them or walk away or or pretendthey're invisible, and nobody likes to be
invisible.
You know, sometimes they wanna go high.
It's like, it doesn't wanna be invisible today.
But but in public, they don't wanna be treatedlike there's something wrong with them because
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it's, you know, there's just somethingdifferent.
That's all.
And that's
what comes
with human connection.
Just, you know, I find that a lot when there'ssomeone who has a disability or there's, you
know, there people are trying to avoid lookingat them.
And I just, you know, am of the understandingthat giving your smile away is one of the best
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gifts that you can give someone in their day.
Absolutely.
So having that eyeball to eyeball connectionand then giving your smile away is super
important.
It is.
It is.
So many times I have seen somebody and just asimple smile, simple hi, and they're like, wow,
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hi.
It's it's incredible.
Something so simple to do that adds value totheir day.
And, you know, one of the talks I give istalking about the value in you that anytime you
give your value away, even if it's just with asmile, you get so much more value back.
You know, unlike energy that you run out, ifyou never run out of value, value is always
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there.
And when you give it away, you get so much moreback.
Don't understand how it works?
Don't really care.
You just know it does work, and it's great.
It's great.
So we never run out of value.
And and sometimes it's the simplest things thatwe can do.
Hold the door open for somebody.
Offer to take a cart to the store for themafter, you know, they've unloaded their
groceries.
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Because sometimes it's just a pain to takethose shopping carts back, and they would just
want to get in their car and go home.
I know that
is always the thing.
I just, time I have a cart, I'm like, everybodyelse has their carts all around me.
They left them.
I'm like, Nope, not going to do that.
I have to go all the way back.
Like, it doesn't matter.
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Don't care what they do.
Because the thing is on a windy day, I wouldnot want somebody to leave that cart there
because that is the hit car and I do not Sowhat you give out into the world is what you're
gonna get back.
That's why I'm, nope, I would take that thingback.
Yep, that's right.
That's right.
Yeah, my kids one time for youth group, theywere told, Next time you're out of parking lot,
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gather up the shopping carts that are loose,put them in the cart corral or take them into
the store.
And everybody was supposed to do that, and thekids do that.
Somebody asked them all time, it's like, whyare you doing that?
And they go, well, because it's something niceto do and it's not gonna run into your car and
it helps the person out that works here.
And they were like, come on.
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That's interesting.
You're doing It's just to be nice.
You know?
There's nothing weird about it.
Yeah.
Isn't that interesting that the nice thingsthat you do in life today, sometimes other
people look at why are you doing that?
Well, it's the nice thing to do.
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I mean, it's the right thing to do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then you
You don't
have to
do that.
It's like, no.
I don't have to do that, but I'm going tobecause I like to.
I I used to make it a rule that every month,and I still do.
Every month, they do something nice forsomebody else.
Strangers, not not people I know.
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I do nice stuff for people I know too, but butfor strangers.
So, you know, whether it's they don't haveenough change, so I, you know, give them a
dollar or whatever.
It's it's just funny.
Somebody asked me one time.
He says he'd he left his wallet in the car, andit was it was just, like, $5.
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It wasn't that big deal.
I says, let me just buy it for you.
I'm not trying to tell you we're in a hurry oranything, but just let me do this for you.
And he goes, why would you do that?
I said, every month, I do something nice for astranger.
And I haven't done anything this month, so youget to be my gift this this time.
And he was just like, wow.
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Thank you.
I mean, it just really caught him by surprise,and and it's like and I know one time I
somebody was short, like, 12¢, so I just put aquarter on there.
And and she was so upset that she didn't havethe right change and upset that someone else
had to had to pay for it.
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We didn't have to.
I did it because I that's a quarter.
Who cares?
You know, she goes out to her car, comes backin, and gets me the quarter.
And I thought, well, shucks.
That defeated the purpose of giving you a gift.
It's like, well, Not
everybody has something.
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You know what Ellis you're amazing.
I love that the conversation we're having aboutyour book before we started and Oh yeah.
Gosh, that just sounds amazing.
Yeah.
To be brought it up, I'll mention it.
We're in in volume five.
I'm I'm this is first Catherine was the firstto hear about it.
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Now you're the next to hear about it.
Volume five of the giving book.
And the giving book is not just, you know,what's the theme?
The theme is you're giving from your heart toothers.
You're giving to the heart of the reader.
And so it can be in art.
It can be in poetry.
It can be how to make a peanut butter and jellysandwich or recipes, poetry, photography,
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whatever you have that you do that that youlove and that you want to share with others can
go in this book.
And you can just get ahold of me atLSKirkpecker.com or my other website,
ShinewithLS.com, and and I can talk more to youabout it.
But the purpose of the book is to bring joy tosomeone else's life.
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You know?
I've got people who have written memoirs inthere.
A wonderful young man wrote a beautiful memoirabout his father, who passed away when when he
was, the gentleman was 26, 20 seven, somethinglike that when his dad passed away.
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And and, he had this beautiful artwork of hisdad that he submitted to it.
I mean, it was just amazing.
And there's been others.
One person I've got to know who wrote in myfirst book, Trina, she does INJFs on YouTube.
And she did one about her dad who drove aCaterpillar.
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And if you know those are the dozers and thingslike that.
My dad did the same thing, so it was so neat.
We got to connect about that story, and andI've heard about her dad and what she did.
So I talked with her about mine, and so it wasjust beautiful.
I've got so many different stories that are inthere.
I just had someone say to me the other day,wow.
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That was amazing story about that woman.
I am just so touched by it, and it's like, wow.
So you never know who's going to read it, whatthey're going to enjoy about it, and there's so
much variety in there.
I think the first book had, like, 16 I callthem collaborators because they're not all
authors with a photography, with a quotes,maybe jokes, with fun little sayings.
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So they're not all authors.
There's all kinds of genre in there.
Well, I love that.
And that's why I brought it up because so manytimes everybody has a story or they have
something to share.
Yeah.
And what an amazing way in which to help peopleshare something that they, you're actually
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giving them the bridge to start somethingthey've always maybe thought about and say, you
know, let's just, well, how about we bite sizethis instead of taking
That's right.
Stick your
toe in the water.
Great, stick your toe in the water and let'sjust do this little part, this little piece.
What do you have to share?
And I love that because, you know, if you lookat the whole picture of something you might be
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thinking would be a good idea to do, it's justa lot.
But then when you, oh, let me bite size thisand just do this little thing.
And more of the little things that you do, theyadd up to big things, right?
And they can make a difference that someoneneeds to hear or read or experience.
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So thank you for that.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And the really big part, I guess, of this isnot only being able to give this to the
authors.
And I used to do it all free because priceshave gone up so much for printing everything
else and editing.
And and I had 56 authors this last time, sothat was a lot of editing.
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So I have to hire out for an editor now.
So now there is a small a very small fee forit.
But the all the proceeds from Amazon and frommy personal sales go to a nonprofit.
So this book is still giving.
You know?
And and I tell everyone who contributessomething, the books that you buy personally,
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you can sell for whatever price you want to,and that's yours to keep.
So you can monetize it.
You can get something more from it.
And we always try to go to number one.
See, we we've done it on the last last three.
So let's I didn't even try for the first one,but some of the authors in the second one said,
can we try?
And I go, sure.
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We'll give it a try and see what we can do.
So there's there's just always about givingfrom this book as many ways as we possibly can.
So that's always fun.
It's called the giving book.
You can find it on Amazon.
And and, Catherine, I I know we're gettingclose to time.
We spent a lot of time talking and getting toknow each other.
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And I'm so thankful that you are here today,that you are here for our audience to, learn
from you and to have your insight.
It's very valuable.
Thank you so much, Ellis.
I really appreciate that, you know, you have meon your show.
It's so easy to be the one asking questions forme.
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And when people are asking you questions, it'sa little more of a twist on how articulate what
you do how you do But I thank you.
It was really great to get to know you today.
So thank you.
Oh, too.
This is wonderful.
And tell our audience where they can find youif they want to connect more with you and ask
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more questions and get answers.
Thank you.
So you can reach me on any of my social sites.
I'm KatherineMartinFisher on all of my sites.
And the other way is on LinkedIn.
LinkedIn is also Kathryn Martin Fischer.
And I always put the spin, the Martin, becauseI'm Hispanic background.
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So I keep that on the forefront.
And then, or I am atrocketgrowthbusinessadvisors.com.
So rocketgrowthba.com is actually it.
And help podcast too.
Want you to I
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think a reminder, yes.
And the Beyond Business Podcast is our podcastplatform and anybody who's interested in being
on my platform in order to be able to elevatetheir voice, their business and get known, that
is one of the biggest things you wanna do is beon and be able to let the world know what you
do and how you do it and how you serve theworld.
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So thank you so much for letting me do thistoday, Ellis.
Oh, my honor.
It's always a pleasure to have someone on myfront porch, even if it's on on a a podcast.
I mean, it's it's just wonderful.
So thank you for being here, and we'll see you,our audience, on the next podcast.
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Always believe that something wonderful isgoing to happen.
Hi, and welcome to another podcast with wisdomon the front porch.
I know you see the books behind me.
You see that on reading between the words.
But today, we're here with books because I'vegot an announcement to make.
But my guest is Catherine Martin Fisher, andI'm so glad she's here.
Catherine, how are you today?
I'm doing great, and thank you so much, Ellis,for having me on the podcast with you.
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Oh, I'm so glad.
I've I've talked with Catherine quite a bitbecause we're kinda in the same podcast
community, and so it's it's just my honor tohave you here.
So I'm gonna let you tell our audience a littlebit about who you are, what you do, and why you
do what you do.
So I'm Catherine Martin Fischer.
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I am a 10x certified business coach, and I'mthe host of the Beyond Business Podcast.
And what I do is I help to elevate people intheir message through my podcast community to
help them be able to tell the world what it isthat they do.
But I also am able to help people who areworking, you know, that wanna scale their
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businesses, scale their lives, scale theirbusinesses, change their mindset, be able to
help them to increase their revenue.
And in order to do that so many times, thereare other things.
That's why I called my podcast, the BeyondBusiness Podcast, because there's so much more
to life than just your business.
Everything affects everything.
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Your business affects your home life.
Your home life affects your business life.
And so, so I just help people be able to getmore clarity in that in those areas.
That's awesome.
I'm so glad to do that.
What got you started in this?
Is it something you've always done?
So I've always loved marketing.
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I've always loved people.
I love people and I love making a difference inthe lives of people.
And so the thing, you know, I was a single momfor fourteen years and I always had to find
creative ways to earn income.
And one of the things was buildingrelationships and building relationship is
really a thing that I love.
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It's close to my heart.
I feel like if you can connect with people andyou can change lives, then everything else just
comes along with it.
And so I found that that was my love.
And so my becoming a 10x business coach hasallowed me to be able to help people in other
ways to, you know, like I said, to scale theirbusiness, but also to scale their mindset.
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There's so many times that that's the piecethat might need the help.
Right?
And so, you know, it's just being very creativeand wanting to connect with people is my why.
That's awesome.
I love that.
So when people wanna scale up, what does thatreally mean?
Sorry for my phone.
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Because I know I've talked with a few peopleand it's like they kinda have different ideas
of what it means to scale up.
So what does that mean to you?
So what that means to me is that so many timespeople start with a dream in their heart and
they just are they they have this passion forfor the thing that they wanna do, that they
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wanna bring to the world.
But then they quickly go into overwhelm becausethey they suffer from things such as cash flow,
sales, marketing.
And then if they have a team, it affects theircompany culture.
And so when you talk about scaling, it'sdifferent for everyone.
But if you have this passion and you have thisdrive of what you want to bring, but you don't
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know how to market yourself, then you're notgoing to be able to blow up because, you know,
if they don't know you, they don't flow you.
That's a Grant Cardone quote.
But part of that is also being able to take theinformation that you have and the passion that
you have and send that to the others.
Because if your team doesn't know how to dowhat it is that you do, because you might be
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the best at what you do, but you have to beable to transfer that to them.
Right.
That they are then the ones, you have otherpeople who are helping you in that scale.
Nice, nice.
So do you work mostly with CEOs, with businessleaders, or do you work with a whole team?
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So I can do both, but my niche really is beingable to work with anyone from being a startup
up to, I would say 200, two 50 employee companywhere I'm able to work individually with teams.
So if like a department of a team and if theyneed help learning sales skills, how to close
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the sale, overcome objections, follow ups,things like that.
You know, I can work individually with peoplewho are just you know, they're starting up, but
they're they're needing to to learn how tomarket themselves.
Those seems to be like a really good niche forme.
Yeah.
And there's a lot of people starting out asentrepreneurs who don't know how to market
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themselves, who who try and try and they justthink, okay.
Nobody wants my stuff or I'm no good at this,so I'm just gonna quit.
And you don't want to quit.
You know?
Don't quit.
Find someone like Katherine too to help youlearn how to do that because it is a skill, and
it can be learned.
And the more you learn, the better you're gonnado and the better your company's gonna do.
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So Sometimes having this the skill sets of likeyou said, is those pieces of, you know, how if
how do you how do you not give up?
Well, sometimes you need to know what theprocess is as you're going along with a client
to understand how to follow-up, how to keepwith them, how to scale up.
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In order to do that, there's a relationship.
It's all about relationships really.
Right.
When building that relationship and notstopping that process.
And I have I've had to do that myself.
As I'm teaching others so many times, you'relearning so much more by teaching others as
well.
Yes.
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That's true.
That's true.
The best way to learn something is you have toteach others.
So if if you don't know what you're talkingabout, it's gonna show through when you're
you're teaching.
So, you know, I used to think, well, teachershave it so easy.
They don't have to do anything, but I noticedthat there's a difference in teachers.
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There are the teachers who just show up everyday and regurgitate what the book says.
Then there's the teachers who actually learnwhat you need to learn so they can be better at
teaching you how you can do that.
Now that brings me up to a question.
Everybody has different learning styles.
So how do you work with that?
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Because some people can just take off this,like, here, follow these steps, and they follow
those steps, and they're just going like gangbangers.
Other people see that, and they're like, well,I don't understand what these steps are.
And it's like, what do I do with them once I'vegot them?
So how do you how do you work with people withtheir different learning lifestyles?
Well, what I'm learning to do now is work withpeople who are visual learners.
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People who are auditory learners, andkinesthetic learners.
So what happens is you don't really realize,and this is a skill when you understand that
there's these different types of learners.
And what happens is when you're speaking tothem, so if you're a visual learner, you wanna
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have something that you can show them a chartand you can do it in writing.
You wanna show them the way you show themslides.
But then when you're an auditory learner, youlisten to the things that they listen to, they
hear is, you have to talk about the hearing.
You want them to understand in the hearing,they can hear you, they understand and they can
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get it.
I always just, honestly, I was always jealousof the people who could just hear and remember
it all because it's like, Oh no.
But then there's the kinesthetic learner andyou will lose them if you are not having them
do something, so they learn And sounderstanding the different learners is really
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part of how to teach so that when you'reteaching, you're able to speak to all the
different learners.
Yeah.
And that's a really good good thing to bring upbecause sometimes we're talking to somebody and
it's like we know we've lost them, but have welost them because we're not paying attention to
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what they're they're doing?
Are they wanting to see something?
Are they listening?
And they hear everything, but maybe you'resaying it to a kinesthetic learner, and they
don't wanna deal with that.
Right?
So those are important things to do.
Now one thing that all entrepreneurs do is workreally hard.
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And you and I talked about this a little bitbefore the show is self care.
How important is self care in a business andwhat are some things that you might have
learned along the way about it?
So this is so interesting because, you know,sometimes I don't really realize that I'm just
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going, going, going and not stop.
And so it was brought to my attention that it'sactually important to do this.
Now, I was good at this at one point in mylife, but I think as I've moved along, when
you're learning something new, you're all in,right?
And when you're all in, you forget that youneed to have that time to step back, take a
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deep breath and actually refocus because bygiving yourself, you can't keep giving on an
empty cup.
And so one of the things I found out thisweekend, actually I was gifted for Mother's
Day, a a women's retreat, and you had to getrid of the cell phones and put them in a basket
and not be Now, I was taking pictures for theretreat, so I want to just clarify that I did
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have to do that piece, but it was great becausethat's just my gift.
That's my love language.
And so they allowed me to do that.
But the phones away, everybody said at the endwas I found even personally that not having
gone on social media and not having doneanything for the weekend, just the weekend,
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just to disconnect and journal, taking thattime to journal, do yoga, go through nature,
spend time with the earth, put your feet in thewaterfalls and just be able to just be, just
be.
And every cell in your body reacts to thatbeautiful energy of nature.
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What I realized was I'm actually much moreproductive.
My energy level is up.
I got to exercise and deep breathe.
We did breathing exercises.
So many times what they taught us was eventaking five minutes of doing breath work before
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you start your day, when you're getting readyto get on, let's say a podcast or you're
getting ready to do something, you know, whenit's social media related or anything at all or
go into an important meeting, there are ways inwhich we could meditate and do it in such a
short period where you're doing certainbreathing exercises.
That was so literally enlightening for mebecause I am a go, go, go person.
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And if you're an A type personality, I willtell you those people, it's hard to stop.
And so what you want to do is be able to beself aware because that will give you, you'll
be then giving from a full cup instead of anempty cup.
Right.
Right.
And, you know, one the things I've learned todo is I actually take a whole day on Wednesday,
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partly because we're out in the country and ittakes so long to get anywhere.
We're in Texas.
It takes forever to get anywhere.
But, yeah, taking that one day because on theweekends, I do not stop.
I still am doing work.
I'm still, you know, either researching orhelping people with their books or or getting
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things ready to publish or formatting, whateverit is.
And I'm still answering calls, doing Facebookstuff, whatnot, and things with my family.
You know, we're part of the the fire firedepartment, which is, you know, volunteer, and
so we're doing things there, things my husbandwants to do.
Same thing on Sunday.
And it's like, I really don't have a day justfor me to recharge, to go plant flowers, to go
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sit on the porch and enjoy the nature aroundme, to go visit my friends.
I mean, we all get so busy with work and withfamily and with all the things we have to do.
Do we ever take time just to go visit a friend,to go say hi, go get a cup of coffee, and and
just enjoy the day?
And and I started missing those things, andit's like, why am I running this business if I
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don't get to enjoy life too?
And so it gives you a chance to do that.
Now not everybody can do that.
Sometimes you have to just take couple hours ina day or something.
What's what kind of a schedule do you think youhave or are you looking forward to doing to get
that self care time?
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Well, what I like what you've said is, youknow, you've taken a day during the week.
Because what I find is and and, you know, andforgive me if this is just, you know, as women,
as women, we have a tendency because we'realways caring for everyone else and everyone
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else's needs.
The weekends many times includes having tostill care for everyone.
So it's not really what others might consider aweekend off is still a weekend of working
because you not only have your work, but thenyou have your partner, you have your home, you
have other things that need cared for.
And so sometimes that taking the day off duringthe week.
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So yesterday after doing the retreat, I had todo some, you know, there are things When you
live on a farm, there are things that have tobe done by a certain date.
And I gave myself permission and it was aweekday.
And it was like, wow, I'm doing this during theweek.
And I just literally took the day and I said, Iam going to take this time and accomplish this.
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And I did, I made sure that all of the flowerswere done and everything because they must be
done before the end of the So that for thesummer they're blooming beautifully.
So it has to be done in the spring.
And it's always been the thing.
And I've been on this farm for almost sixteenyears now.
And in that time, it's like clockwork everyyear.
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When hay has to be done, the hay has to bedone.
There are flowers that This is just the wayfarms work.
And so with that permission, it was so freeing.
And I said, you know, this needs to be thething that I do because during the weekends,
have, you know, my husband wants to do thingsand, you know, we have other things to do.
And so I thought, this is a great idea to fillmy cup and take a day trip from time to time
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and just be able to take a day trip to thebeach or do, you know, just to give myself that
breathing space because I find that I'm so muchmore creative when I have a minute to just be
with myself and not be busy in my head or busywith meetings or busy with things that I have
to do, then I am a hundred times moreproductive because I took the time for me and
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my creative juices then really start flowing.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And I find that even you know, for me, I takeWednesday, middle of the week.
You know, if I have doctor's appointments,whatever, you know, for me, I do that.
But I also find that when Tuesday is here, I'mnot like dragging.
It's like, oh, I guess it's not Wednesday yet.
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I am energized because I know I've gotWednesday coming up.
So that energy anticipating Wednesday actuallykeeps everything flowing like you were saying,
keeps the creativity going.
It keeps the energy going.
It it's just amazing to have, and it's like Idon't know.
It's just a yippee.
You know?
It is.
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It's not like you're working five days a weekand ugh, the weekend's finally here.
I can hardly wait, and you're kinda slow onFriday.
I found it to be very different because Ienjoyed those Wednesdays so much to just get
away from everything and do things that Iwouldn't normally do.
You know?
And I'm doing more artwork than I've done inthe past, and and and I know it's a little more
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difficult when you have kids at home, whenyou're homeschooling and still running your
business, but you've got to find some timesomewhere in there that is just yours.
And I kinda wonder if I got the idea fromStephen King.
He I watched an interview of his, and it's onYouTube.
And I'm sorry.
Don't remember what it's called right now.
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But he was talking about how he when he goes towrite, he actually goes up in his office.
He doesn't take his cell phone.
He doesn't have a TV.
He doesn't have a radio.
I don't even think he has a laptop in there.
He types on the the old school typewriter, andhe closes the door.
He says nobody interrupts him.
The kids don't interrupt him.
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They don't tell him about school.
They don't tell him about the games he's gotgoing on or anything else.
Wife does interrupt him about what you want fordinner.
Nobody interrupts him unless the house isbringing down around him literally.
So that time is his to write and to stayfocused on it.
And I think when we use that same principle forourselves to give us that self care to say,
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everything else is shut out.
This is me to get that energy back to find outwho I am to see if I still am who I think I am.
You know to get to just have fun to releaseeverything and it makes a huge difference.
Like you were saying, you you got thataccomplished, and you loved it because now it's
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accomplished.
You know it's done.
It's ready to go.
You don't have to worry about it anymore, butit was fun to go out there and get your hands
in the dirt and spend time outside.
And we spend so much time inside that we forgetto just enjoy being outside without
electronics, without cell phones, withoutlooking to see if anybody answered.
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Go ahead.
It's important for our health.
Of the things that's clear, every woman thatwas on that retreat said, this was so freeing,
just so freeing to not have to check messagesand not have check text messages and emails.
You feel like the world's gonna crumble ifyou're not in touch with it.
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But honestly, everyone collectively said, andeveryone was in different business industries
and some of them were nurses and all of themhad children.
And so I'm at a different level because I'veraised children, I have grandchildren.
I'm at a whole different place in life andredoing myself in setting out in a new career.
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And so with that, I will say that just beingable to disconnect is important, but putting
your feet, that's what I that's the thought Iwas going with.
Putting your feet on the earth, literally.
We are building machines now to help earth us.
When we could be doing it our simply, likegoing out, take your shoes off, go in the
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grass.
You know, if you're on a beach, the sand,because the electric magnetic energy, the
negative energy of your body actually goes outand you're able to put positive, good energy
into your cells and it actually is very healthyfor your body to do that.
You don't have
to find
a machine to do it.
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Yeah.
And and you know, it's interesting that whenyou've got kids and you've got that those
little kiddie pools with water, just putting achair there and putting your feet in the water
in the sunshine on a day, what a differencethat makes.
Just that connection, you know, letting thingsflow.
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You know, get the flip flops off at Saturdayafternoon, whatever.
Sunday afternoon, you know, church is over.
Nothing else is going on.
And just putting your feet in the water and andjust letting yourself be.
Huge difference.
So, yeah, we don't need big technologyexpensive machines.
Just go get a little kiddie pool.
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Go get a plastic tub or wear a Rubbermaid tub,put water in it, but just let your feet
be in right.
I love that you're saying that because thatbrings a thought to mind here is, I've raised
children.
When my children were younger, I ran a daycareout of my home.
And one of the things that I find very valuablethat we forget because this is the other gift
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that I got out of this retreat was beingpresent.
Yes.
It made me have to reflect on all the times I'mnot present.
I may be there, but I'm somewhere else.
And when you're not present in that moment, andso if you're a young mom with children, just
know that it's a season.
The season will be over because the childrenwill grow up.
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And then when you're a grandparent, again, it'sa season because you're, again, you're in that
season.
So what I learned was when are the times in mylife where I wasn't present?
So a lot of times when you're raising children,you're go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
But you forget to get down on the floor and bepresent.
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And that was probably one of the biggest giftsI got this weekend was learning to be present
in the moment and stop thinking about the nextthing, the next thing.
And we all talked about that.
It's just like that was collectively the otherpiece that by not being on the electronics the
whole time and not being worried about allthese other things that you could actually be
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in a moment of presence.
And that is a gift to others because thenyou're really with them.
You really have that conversation with them.
You're not somewhere else while you're having aconversation.
With children the same, they want your time.
They just want you to look at them eyeball toeyeball and And so that's important.
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And whether you're in business and with aclient, you wanna be present with them.
Yes.
Definitely.
And, you know, being on our cell phones, we'renot being present.
Even though we're answering or talking, you'redividing yourself, and you need to not do that.
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Just take the few minutes just to look at theperson while you're talking when you're having
a conversation.
Makes a huge difference.
It really does.
And, yeah, I just don't know how else to expandon that right now, but it's you brought that
being that present in every moment, whetherit's at work or at home, Talking with with a
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new client, you know, we get busy writing downwhat they're saying and stuff, and we forget to
just really connect with them.
I watched some of my first podcasts, and myhead is down this time because I'm writing down
what they're saying, and I'm looking for newquestions.
And I finally got rid of the notepad becauseit's like, I'll look at it.
(24:29):
I you know, I record it.
We can watch the replay.
So I'm just gonna have a conversation now andand not do that.
You know, at first, was saying, well, whyshould I miss out on everything?
It's like, well, I'm not missing out because Ihave to watch it over when I do the edits or
anything else.
But but really learning to to be a part ofwhat's going on.
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And sometimes it has to be a skill that welearn.
You know, when when my daughter-in-law firsthad her son and he's getting a little bit
older, she would just, you know, change him,clean him, feed him, all of that stuff.
But she didn't know how to just play with him.
And I said, it's easy.
You just see what they're doing, and you be apart of that.
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And you take the time to get down on the floor.
And and there was like, oh, but the floor isdirty, but your kids have to learn to crawl.
And it's like, look.
You clean your house.
I know you're a great house cleaner.
You don't have to worry about those things.
And a little bit of dirt is good.
Kids that get dirty are healthier in the longrun, but you're just down there with them at
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their level to where they are.
And I think that's very important no matter whowe are, what age we are, what we're doing.
You need to be present at the other person'slevel where they're at and meet them there.
I think it it not only helps you because nowyou're fully engaged, and you get to learn
(25:57):
about them.
You get to really see them, and and there'sjust a different exchange that happens.
I just recently read something.
I can't remember the book I was reading.
But it talks about children and looking at themeye to eye.
So like a lot of times, even if you're in asupermarket and a child just looks at you and
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you look at them in the eye, they smile.
You're actually giving them a lot of positivefeedback just by looking at them in the eye and
smiling.
And that, like, is an immediate energy boost.
And it's an immediate energy boost to yourselftoo, because have you ever found yourself with,
you know, you're on a line and and all of asudden this little baby smiles at you and it's
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just like, you know, your whole, it's almostlike your whole energy just lifts because it
brings you joy.
So the same thing with people, you know, peoplewant to be understood.
People want to have communication andconnection.
A lot of times, you know, in today's world,we're missing that.
We're missing that the human connection witheach And with children getting down on the
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floor, Wayne Dyer had said that in one of hisbooks, and it really talked about literally
getting down on the floor with the child,eyeball to eyeball.
You will be surprised at things that child willtell you when you do that because there's a
trust that they have when you do that withthem.
And yeah, so I just I love reading, so I'm anavid reader.
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Nice.
Yeah.
So one of the other things I just thought oftoo is sometimes we have those kids that are
really shy, and the kids are usually keepingtheir heads down, you know, for whatever
reason.
And it could be even when they're two yearsold, you just notice that they're shy.
And so you take the time to help lift theirchin up, you know, just kindly and say, right
(27:59):
here.
Look at me when you talk.
And help them to become comfortable doing that.
So when they get into school or when they getinto public situations, they can look somebody
in the eye instead of always being afraid.
And and sometimes kids don't know.
You know?
Sometimes they say it's genetic why they don'tdo that, you know, for whatever reason.
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But have them look you in the eye.
Like, I told you earlier when we were talkingabout the giving book.
I have a a grandson who's autistic.
And being able to look him in the eye really isno big deal.
You know, he's in his twenties now.
But some autistic kids do not like to be lookedin the eye.
So you have to think about where your child is.
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Just thought of something.
Coming back through the airport, I saw agentleman in a wheelchair, and he looked at me,
and he was waiting for a reaction from me.
Because a lot of people see someone in awheelchair, and they become uncomfortable
because they don't know how to talk.
And it's like so they kinda look away or theylook over their head or something like that.
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But I made direct eye contact with him, and Ismiled.
And I said, you have a great day.
And all a sudden, his demeanor changed, and hesmiled back.
And it's amazing how much just a simple littlething will do for somebody.
Because too many times people in wheelchairs orolder people or someone who has, I don't wanna
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say a handicap, but they have an ability that'sdifferent than other people.
Right.
People ignore them or walk away or or pretendthey're invisible, and nobody likes to be
invisible.
You know, sometimes they wanna go high.
It's like, it doesn't wanna be invisible today.
But but in public, they don't wanna be treatedlike there's something wrong with them because
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it's, you know, there's just somethingdifferent.
That's all.
And that's
what comes
with human connection.
Just, you know, I find that a lot when there'ssomeone who has a disability or there's, you
know, there people are trying to avoid lookingat them.
And I just, you know, am of the understandingthat giving your smile away is one of the best
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gifts that you can give someone in their day.
Absolutely.
So having that eyeball to eyeball connectionand then giving your smile away is super
important.
It is.
It is.
So many times I have seen somebody and just asimple smile, simple hi, and they're like, wow,
(30:43):
hi.
It's it's incredible.
Something so simple to do that adds value totheir day.
And, you know, one of the talks I give istalking about the value in you that anytime you
give your value away, even if it's just with asmile, you get so much more value back.
You know, unlike energy that you run out, ifyou never run out of value, value is always
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there.
And when you give it away, you get so much moreback.
Don't understand how it works?
Don't really care.
You just know it does work, and it's great.
It's great.
So we never run out of value.
And and sometimes it's the simplest things thatwe can do.
Hold the door open for somebody.
Offer to take a cart to the store for themafter, you know, they've unloaded their
groceries.
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Because sometimes it's just a pain to takethose shopping carts back, and they would just
want to get in their car and go home.
I know that
is always the thing.
I just, time I have a cart, I'm like, everybodyelse has their carts all around me.
They left them.
I'm like, Nope, not going to do that.
I have to go all the way back.
Like, it doesn't matter.
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Don't care what they do.
Because the thing is on a windy day, I wouldnot want somebody to leave that cart there
because that is the hit car and I do not Sowhat you give out into the world is what you're
gonna get back.
That's why I'm, nope, I would take that thingback.
Yep, that's right.
That's right.
Yeah, my kids one time for youth group, theywere told, Next time you're out of parking lot,
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gather up the shopping carts that are loose,put them in the cart corral or take them into
the store.
And everybody was supposed to do that, and thekids do that.
Somebody asked them all time, it's like, whyare you doing that?
And they go, well, because it's something niceto do and it's not gonna run into your car and
it helps the person out that works here.
And they were like, come on.
(32:33):
That's interesting.
You're doing It's just to be nice.
You know?
There's nothing weird about it.
Yeah.
Isn't that interesting that the nice thingsthat you do in life today, sometimes other
people look at why are you doing that?
Well, it's the nice thing to do.
(32:54):
I mean, it's the right thing to do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then you
You don't
have to
do that.
It's like, no.
I don't have to do that, but I'm going tobecause I like to.
I I used to make it a rule that every month,and I still do.
Every month, they do something nice forsomebody else.
Strangers, not not people I know.
(33:16):
I do nice stuff for people I know too, but butfor strangers.
So, you know, whether it's they don't haveenough change, so I, you know, give them a
dollar or whatever.
It's it's just funny.
Somebody asked me one time.
He says he'd he left his wallet in the car, andit was it was just, like, $5.
(33:37):
It wasn't that big deal.
I says, let me just buy it for you.
I'm not trying to tell you we're in a hurry oranything, but just let me do this for you.
And he goes, why would you do that?
I said, every month, I do something nice for astranger.
And I haven't done anything this month, so youget to be my gift this this time.
And he was just like, wow.
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Thank you.
I mean, it just really caught him by surprise,and and it's like and I know one time I
somebody was short, like, 12¢, so I just put aquarter on there.
And and she was so upset that she didn't havethe right change and upset that someone else
had to had to pay for it.
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We didn't have to.
I did it because I that's a quarter.
Who cares?
You know, she goes out to her car, comes backin, and gets me the quarter.
And I thought, well, shucks.
That defeated the purpose of giving you a gift.
It's like, well, Not
everybody has something.
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You know what Ellis you're amazing.
I love that the conversation we're having aboutyour book before we started and Oh yeah.
Gosh, that just sounds amazing.
Yeah.
To be brought it up, I'll mention it.
We're in in volume five.
I'm I'm this is first Catherine was the firstto hear about it.
(35:02):
Now you're the next to hear about it.
Volume five of the giving book.
And the giving book is not just, you know,what's the theme?
The theme is you're giving from your heart toothers.
You're giving to the heart of the reader.
And so it can be in art.
It can be in poetry.
It can be how to make a peanut butter and jellysandwich or recipes, poetry, photography,
(35:27):
whatever you have that you do that that youlove and that you want to share with others can
go in this book.
And you can just get ahold of me atLSKirkpecker.com or my other website,
ShinewithLS.com, and and I can talk more to youabout it.
But the purpose of the book is to bring joy tosomeone else's life.
(35:49):
You know?
I've got people who have written memoirs inthere.
A wonderful young man wrote a beautiful memoirabout his father, who passed away when when he
was, the gentleman was 26, 20 seven, somethinglike that when his dad passed away.
(36:09):
And and, he had this beautiful artwork of hisdad that he submitted to it.
I mean, it was just amazing.
And there's been others.
One person I've got to know who wrote in myfirst book, Trina, she does INJFs on YouTube.
And she did one about her dad who drove aCaterpillar.
(36:31):
And if you know those are the dozers and thingslike that.
My dad did the same thing, so it was so neat.
We got to connect about that story, and andI've heard about her dad and what she did.
So I talked with her about mine, and so it wasjust beautiful.
I've got so many different stories that are inthere.
I just had someone say to me the other day,wow.
(36:54):
That was amazing story about that woman.
I am just so touched by it, and it's like, wow.
So you never know who's going to read it, whatthey're going to enjoy about it, and there's so
much variety in there.
I think the first book had, like, 16 I callthem collaborators because they're not all
authors with a photography, with a quotes,maybe jokes, with fun little sayings.
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So they're not all authors.
There's all kinds of genre in there.
Well, I love that.
And that's why I brought it up because so manytimes everybody has a story or they have
something to share.
Yeah.
And what an amazing way in which to help peopleshare something that they, you're actually
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giving them the bridge to start somethingthey've always maybe thought about and say, you
know, let's just, well, how about we bite sizethis instead of taking
That's right.
Stick your
toe in the water.
Great, stick your toe in the water and let'sjust do this little part, this little piece.
What do you have to share?
And I love that because, you know, if you lookat the whole picture of something you might be
(38:12):
thinking would be a good idea to do, it's justa lot.
But then when you, oh, let me bite size thisand just do this little thing.
And more of the little things that you do, theyadd up to big things, right?
And they can make a difference that someoneneeds to hear or read or experience.
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So thank you for that.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And the really big part, I guess, of this isnot only being able to give this to the
authors.
And I used to do it all free because priceshave gone up so much for printing everything
else and editing.
And and I had 56 authors this last time, sothat was a lot of editing.
(38:53):
So I have to hire out for an editor now.
So now there is a small a very small fee forit.
But the all the proceeds from Amazon and frommy personal sales go to a nonprofit.
So this book is still giving.
You know?
And and I tell everyone who contributessomething, the books that you buy personally,
(39:17):
you can sell for whatever price you want to,and that's yours to keep.
So you can monetize it.
You can get something more from it.
And we always try to go to number one.
See, we we've done it on the last last three.
So let's I didn't even try for the first one,but some of the authors in the second one said,
can we try?
And I go, sure.
(39:39):
We'll give it a try and see what we can do.
So there's there's just always about givingfrom this book as many ways as we possibly can.
So that's always fun.
It's called the giving book.
You can find it on Amazon.
And and, Catherine, I I know we're gettingclose to time.
We spent a lot of time talking and getting toknow each other.
(40:00):
And I'm so thankful that you are here today,that you are here for our audience to, learn
from you and to have your insight.
It's very valuable.
Thank you so much, Ellis.
I really appreciate that, you know, you have meon your show.
It's so easy to be the one asking questions forme.
(40:23):
And when people are asking you questions, it'sa little more of a twist on how articulate what
you do how you do But I thank you.
It was really great to get to know you today.
So thank you.
Oh, too.
This is wonderful.
And tell our audience where they can find youif they want to connect more with you and ask
(40:45):
more questions and get answers.
Thank you.
So you can reach me on any of my social sites.
I'm KatherineMartinFisher on all of my sites.
And the other way is on LinkedIn.
LinkedIn is also Kathryn Martin Fischer.
And I always put the spin, the Martin, becauseI'm Hispanic background.
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So I keep that on the forefront.
And then, or I am atrocketgrowthbusinessadvisors.com.
So rocketgrowthba.com is actually it.
And help podcast too.
Want you to I
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think a reminder, yes.
And the Beyond Business Podcast is our podcastplatform and anybody who's interested in being
on my platform in order to be able to elevatetheir voice, their business and get known, that
is one of the biggest things you wanna do is beon and be able to let the world know what you
do and how you do it and how you serve theworld.
(41:51):
So thank you so much for letting me do thistoday, Ellis.
Oh, my honor.
It's always a pleasure to have someone on myfront porch, even if it's on on a a podcast.
I mean, it's it's just wonderful.
So thank you for being here, and we'll see you,our audience, on the next podcast.
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