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As the summer solstice illuminates our longest days, Christine Renee and Shantel Ochoa share an intimate, unscripted conversation about finding light during challenging times. The pair explore the revolutionary power of joy as a response to global difficulties. "We are not meant to match fear with fear," Shantel reflects, suggesting that our most powerful contribution might be cultivating our own inner light. Christine builds on this, describing her vision of personal revolution through radical self-healing and authentic expression.

One particularly fascinating thread explores how we might transform our relationship with our senses. Drawing from her Tantra experience, Christine challenges traditional Buddhist views that our senses lead to suffering: "What if the senses were a pathway to your bliss?" This perspective shift opens exciting possibilities for experiencing ecstasy through breathwork, movement, and sound—techniques that both hosts incorporate into their Shamanic Reiki practices.

In today's episode, we cover: 

• Joy as a revolutionary response to global fear
• Inner light as a personal contribution to the world
• Connection to nature (e.g., waterfalls, barefoot grounding)
• Simple spiritual practices (e.g., thunder water, herb gardens)
• Senses as pathways to bliss vs. suffering
• Tantra techniques for ecstasy: breathwork, movement, sound
• Emphasis on individual paths over rigid spiritual models
• Encouragement of consistent small practices for big shifts
• Soul Rising program and spiritual self-discovery

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Wisdom Rising podcast.
I'm your host for today,Christine Rene, and I'm joined
with Chantel Ochoa, as we havean off-the-cuff, improv'd-out
solstice check-in about what'sgoing on in each of our lives.
So in today's podcast, you'llhear us talk about our current
excitements of life, includingour local events, that we're

(00:21):
offering, the visions that weare having, the nature we're
offering the visions that we arehaving, the nature we're
connecting with, and how we areshifting out of the heaviness of
life.
So be sure to join us in theMoon Rising Shamanic Mystics
Facebook group If you have anyshares, takeaways, aha moments
from today's episode and be sureto subscribe to the podcast so
that you'll get access toupcoming new episodes.

(00:44):
I hope you enjoy today'sepisode.
Thanks for listening.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm going to start us off with a little bit of
patchouli and Palo Santo.
Yum, I'm feeling that groundingwoodsy scent.
I think I'm going to actuallysoak some of my Palo and patruli
and just already have itinfused.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Oh, that's an interesting idea.
I've never thought about that.
Yeah, how big that makes it.
That's crazy, cause sometimesit's really hard to get your
pulsanto to light.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
You do a drop of um, when you do a drop of oil on it,
it just ignites and you're done.
And it's look at how good itsmokes too and it smells.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Amazing, that combo that's great, that makes me
happy.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I have to try that I'm going to play with it and
infuse it and Reiki it and doall the things.
So when it's all, when you burnit, it's already set and ready
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yay, already set and ready to go.
I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm down withthat.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I'll bring some.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
I'll make it and I'll bring some for our retreat.
So, um, chantel and Isabel arecoming up to Montana.
We've got a little shamanicReiki retreat happening here,
very rustic out in the woods,montana style, and I was
thinking about this this morningand I'm going.
I can't wait for Chantel to gethere because I need my mushroom
coffee.
I'm out.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I am like super excited for it, cause I know
like, especially as you'reexplaining it right now, with
the Montana backwoods like sweatlodge, you're just going to be
like campy camping, blamping,doing all the things, yes, and
so what my alley right nowsounds so good, I have to say I

(02:36):
love your.
Yellowstone pictures so manywaterfalls, so many waterfalls,
yeah, so beautiful.
Yeah, it was great.
I was like I need to go hiking.
We don't have like waterfallslike that around here, but we
have creeks and rivers that runthrough the mountains, the Palm
Springs desert or the mountainsand all that.
It's kind of it's beautifulyeah.

(02:58):
You really don't like back intothem.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, I'm.
I was thinking about, um, wehave 10, 15 minutes from our
house.
We have Highlight Reservoir andthere's a whole string of
waterfalls up there and I didn'tknow that.
I thought there was just GrottoFalls and I'm now just
discovering I've been here for20 years no, there's a bunch
more up there.
I was like you've got to bekidding me.
How did I not know this?

(03:21):
This is not that far from myhouse.
How did I not know this?
This is not that far from myhouse.
So, yeah, Montana's prettyamazing, because nature is.
It doesn't take you very longto find it.
It's not that far away everright.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
So it's very.
I loved it last year when wewent and I'm super excited to go
back and and to see all that.
And you know it's so funny younever know what's in your
backyard if you don't go exploreit.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah exactly Exactly, and we just kind of fell in
love with this, this location,and it's up Clancy Creek, which
is closer to Helena than Bozeman.
I'm in Bozeman, montana, andHelena's like a couple hours
away, but there is an airportthere.
We do have, I believe, oneglamping spot left and camping
spots available.
So if you're hearing all ofthis and you're like I need to

(04:05):
come, just holler at me.
We weren't really promoting itbeyond our inner networks until
now, so, but I'm very excited tosee Chantel and Isabel again.
We only get to do this likeonce a year in person meetup, so
it's always fun to have us alltogether and our energies

(04:27):
combined, and we have reallyamazing workshops and classes
and all the things.
So I'm really looking forwardto it, me too, me too.
Part of this is like we just hadsolstice, you know, and it's
crazy, in Montana, speaking ofMontana, literally it was 1130
at night and I'm still seeingthe horizon into this glimmer of

(04:49):
light on the horizon.
Like I'm so far North that onsolstice it's really light out
so much of the time, right, like, and then it starts getting
light again at like four in themorning.
So, um, we are in the lightestpart of our season and it makes
it for an interesting I don'tknow an interesting energy,

(05:11):
because it's everything is soawake.
People are very active in thesummer.
Here.
It's really hard to get peopleto show up for a workshop
because it's sunny until 10 30.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah Right, people have like, yeah, they got the
summer buzz and it's like wewant to be outside, so it's like
hosting events outside.
So that might be a good ideafor you if you have some like
little courtyard or park orsomething where you can be
hosting some of your dayretreats or your events.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
So we had a potluck over at the Bozeman spiritual
society, which I'm a member of,a partner of, and, uh, we did it
outside and we had such a niceturnout we had like over 30
people there.
We had a pop picnic andbarbecue and potluck and, um, we
did a bunch of demos for whatwe do in the space and it was
just really lovely and, at thesame time, like, so much of what

(06:05):
I'm currently offering asin-person stuff is so intimate
that doing it outside, whenyou're trying to talk over the
wind, over our Aspen Grove and,um, like trying to create that
really tight circle, it's kindof hard outside.
So I want to do, we're doing.
So what I'm doing currently is,yeah, I'm doing the sex talks

(06:27):
with Jim, which are a cacaoceremonies with really intimate
conversations on specific sexualtopics, and the first one was
amazing, and now I'm also I'malternating that with a red 10
series basically the same thing,but for women, plus a somatic
experience.
So it's a women's um cacaoceremony where we talk on

(06:51):
something very women's specific,like this week it's on moon
cycles like, just like ancient,uh, red tents where women would
come together like a mandatorycoming together Cause we all
were cycling together and havethese intimate conversations.
Well, this is kind of ourmodern expression of that.
So we do the cacao ceremony, wetalk on the topic, and then we

(07:12):
have a sabbatic experience toreally help heal and balance the
body.
And that starts on Wednesdayand I'm like, can I do either of
these outside?
Probably probably not, butmaybe I could do some shamanic
workshops outside, maybe I cando some moving meditations
outside.
You know, like I'm trying tothink of like what would draw
people in to keep in theirpractices for the summer, while

(07:35):
we get it also tune into nature.
Right, it's always finding thatbalance.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Where, where I work, um, I, so I balance between my
home and my workspace and sothere, um, it's really just dirt
, like the grounds are.
We've been turning more intodesert landscape to save on
watering and all that kind ofstuff, and so I try to.
All of my smudging circles areoutside.
So, like on Saturday, I justhappened to pick that as the day

(08:05):
for um, for my love, my levelone, so I, I host a level one
and two I alternate each month.
And then I was like, oh, it'sthe summer solstice, which I
didn't plan on that but it endedup becoming.
I was like nice, and what greatenergy to be able to do
attunements and stuff.
And so I took the women out and, um, like, yeah, just dig your

(08:28):
feet in the dirt and let's dothis.
And they were so funny becausethey're like are your shoes off?
And I'm like yeah take yourshoes off Like this.
The dirt was really soft wherewe were and I was like kind of
just dig your feet in, connectwith the earth, like set your
intentions, feel the energy, andfor some of them they were just
like wow, like this is amazing,like either they don't play in

(08:48):
the dirt very often or it's justthe fact that they have
permission to do it.
You know and I think sometimesthat's what it is it's like
having permission to sit incircle and kick your shoes off
and get comfortable and be okay.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Right, well, and I, you know, that reminds me of,
like last week I've, I've gotI'm basically a new construction
property, right, and I need todevelop my backyard space and so
I'm need to go pull these weeds.
And it was it rained the nightbefore and I was like, okay, the
earth is soft, I can pull theweeds and I'm like I'm going to
do it barefoot.
I am going to do it barefootand for me, like, I don't like

(09:29):
being barefoot on on in mud andit's kind of like like I don't
even like going Creek walkingwithout Creek shoes.
You know, like, and I know thatthis because it's a stretch for
me, I need to do it Like, so itwas a very intentional like I'm
going to ground, I'm going tobe okay with getting dirty and
messy and, yes, it's going tomake a mess in my house if I
can't walk in the house with it,but it's going to be okay.
And I love those little areas inour lives that we can have that

(09:52):
awareness of wow, this can feellike a stretch, this can feel
like an edge, and I'm going todo it to have the stretch, to
feel into the edge of goingwhat's my yes and what's my no
and I love, I love that.
So I love that there'scontainers that you're creating,
that you're like, you'reinvited to.
You don't always say no, butyou are invited to like really

(10:15):
get comfortable, really get inthe earth energy and that's a
really fantastic way to do it.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
It really is.
But there are those people thatthey go.
I never kick off my shoes.
You know, it's funny because myhusband, he's always been one
of those, like he keeps hisshoes on and now, since he's
been with me, he takes his shoesoff.
So he works in the desert andwent at night.
You know, when he gets off ofwork, I tell him take your shoes
off, create a space where yougo.
Do that, you know where you inthis, the dirt will be softer

(10:41):
and then you can kind of buryhim.
And he's been doing that and hesays he feels great, yeah, and
I'm like yeah, because it's sohealing for us.
And then you're drawn into likea sense of meditation.
You're just having a momentwith yourself and it's so simple
.
It's so simple, you know, butwe've been conditioned to like
wear shoes and I'm like, no,unconditioned that I've been

(11:03):
barefoot, my whole life I'vebeen really struggling with my
backyard space.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I don't know what to plant there, and part of my
barefoot time was I need toconnect with the earth to hear
the earth Tell me what it wantsplanted there.
How does it want to create amagical space, you know, and so
I think there's a lot ofdisconnect from our spaces, even
right outside our back door.
Like this doesn't have to be ana um out in nature, nature out

(11:32):
in the wild.
This is like what's availableto you right here.
We're talking about our yards,you know.
Like how do we make it in thein a capacity where we, we, it
is drought tolerant and it is inalignment with what the earth
is desiring?
Right, like my, clearly, mybackyard doesn't want to be a
dirt pile full of weeds.

(11:52):
Right, it wants to be somethingelse.
But do I want to put araspberry patch in?
Do I want to put in stones?
With creeping time, like I haveall these.
That's where my business areright now.
Pretty.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Right yeah, the stones are the creeping time.
Yes, have all these.
That's where my vision is rightnow.
Right yeah, the stones are thecreeping time.
Yes, that sounds really likecottagey and cutesy and fairy.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, yeah.
And then there's a part of methat just wants to be a full on
witch and like plant the redclover and plant the like.
I want a Dan, I want adandelion.
That just is glorious and I cangrow it for five years to have
one amazing root.
You know, like there's a partof me that's also wants to like
grow the things in my backyardthat I'll actually utilize all
the time.

(12:32):
Like I love having lots ofdifferent kinds of herbs and and
things that people don't thinkabout, like even the red clover.
Like the red clover it makes areally good ground cover, but
red clover grows to about eightto 12 inches tall and it's such
pretty little, almost likelittle mini bushes, and yet it's
medicinal.
Like I love that kind of stuffand it's.

(12:52):
I have gone hiking numeroustimes Now.
I cannot find any clean redclover and I'm just like I have
been out of red clover for toomany years.
I really need some.
So I at this point even have astudent who's like I found red
clover in my area and I'm goingto send you some and I'm like,
yes, Greg, please, and thank you.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, and there are so many, um, what we consider to
be weeds that are very good forus, and we just rip them up out
of the ground Dandelion beingone of them, you know, teas and
soups and all of it and we justtear them out, or we wait till
me I love to blow them.
So it's like once they theytransition but or turn into
something different.

(13:34):
But yeah, we just rip them outand we need to start really
harvesting our weeds.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Right.
Well then we have a littleCreek, like I have a little
Creek right down from myproperty and we have nettles and
horsetail and all these thingsand I'm like, yeah, that's a
really good reminder.
I bet my, my nettles isprobably right about to turn, so
it's not good anymore.
So it's time to go to goharvest on the property and see
what else I can find.
But you know, I I feel reallyblessed that I have it, have a

(14:02):
lot of things like right outsidemy backyard and it's like what
else do I want to cultivate likeI love?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Stacy says that it's hard when you live in an
apartment.
But the thing with an apartment, even with that, you can um pot
them and put them in pots.
Like you don't have to havethis big ground cover, you can
just have, um, you know,towering pots.
You can create your own littleherb garden on your windowsill.
If you have a patio, you cancreate that.

(14:30):
So there are so many creativeways of doing herb gardens right
now.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah absolutely.
Like just going on Pinterest orlike inside herb gardens and
you'll find so many ideas, and Ithink that's where you know.
Speaking of visions there'ssomeone in the chat just like
I've been having so many visionsand I'm like, fantastic, me too
, I feel like I've been in avery visionary role these days
and just my backyard is one ofthe things.

(14:56):
But I definitely have beenenvisioning and I feel like
that's kind of why I wanted toreally lean into our the way we
want to do summer, because itcan be in that flow, it can be
in that divine inspiration, itcan be in that like what's
coming, what's visuallyavailable, to say yes to, to
keep on on that path.

(15:17):
And so I'm curious who's havingvisions lately?
Like I, definitely, Idefinitely am.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, for sure.
Let us know in the comments ifyou are having visions, and that
can.
That can be dreams too, thatare very lucid and very real,
and you're.
They're tangible, you'reremembering them when you wake
up.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, and I feel like visions can really kind of
point you into the direction ofwhere things are unfolding for
you, like where's your attentionat.
And so, like yesterday morning,I had a really intense vision
of the, the original sacredunion ceremonies with the
priestess and the King fromInanna's time, and Inanna's time

(15:59):
we're talking like five, 6,000years ago, and it was so
detailed and I just love it whenit comes in with such detail
where this priestess wasreceiving gold coins and other
trinkets from her community andall of those coins were a way of

(16:22):
setting intention for theceremony.
So they would take their coinor whatever offering it was, and
think about the fertility ofthemselves or their land or what
they, their hopes and dreams,their desired reality, and offer
it to the priestess and sew itinto her garment.
So I could actually literallysee the beating and this work of

(16:44):
like putting in these goldcoins into her garments or the
trink, like you couldn't seeanything other than her eyes
because she was so adorned.
She was adorned in all of thesejewels and gold coins and they
would sew in pieces of wheatthat was at its fullness, right,

(17:05):
like all of these differentpieces, to give blessing to the
land and the people.
Because originally the thoughtwas is that the priestess would
embody the goddess energy and,as the goddess would bring
fertility to land in the sacredunion and as the goddess would
bring fertility to land in thesacred union.

(17:27):
So if a king was to be kinged,he needed to come into sacred
union and have a ceremony tomeet, basically the king and the
goddess together, right, andthen that sacred union.
It was a blessing to say, yes,this king is worthy of this task
of ruling the land, this taskof ruling the land, and that if

(17:50):
it was done in the properly, ifit was done in the most holiest
way, then all of the hopes anddreams, all of the fertility of
the land and the people wouldtranspire.
Right, but it needed, like somuch needed to be held in that
preparation, not only for thepriestess but also for the king
and all of the community.
Like really, the otherpriestesses would hold space,

(18:13):
the sacred ceremony, and so Icould almost hear the tinkles of
the coins, um, bouncing off oneof each other, right, or as she
moved the garment around, likeyou could hear her, and and it
was just like this mostbeautiful visual that I had of
like, oh, I understand it, likethis was the original sex magic

(18:35):
right Like like cause she'sreally holding onto everyone's
ideas of what they want theirlives to be like and in this
union it is where that can, thatcan come to fruition, right,
like all of that.
Those desires can then unfoldfrom there.
So it was just like this,really powerful, like whoa I can

(18:56):
now see it.
And whether or not it's quote,unquote, real or not, if I
imagined it or not, like itdoesn't matter, I'm like or not,
if I imagined it or not, likeit doesn't matter, I'm like
still really pretty freakingamazing to to have that level of
download or encoding comethrough and right on the like,
right at the solstice.
Like this is my message atsolstice is, and for me kind of

(19:19):
the way it translated is how amI bringing the hopes and dreams
of my students of our communityforward?
Like, is there a way to kind ofhold space for all of that in
these sacred unions?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, and I feel that whenever we embark on new
teachings and learnings, there'slike this initiation process
that can happen and that's wherethese visions come in, because
we're lining up with thattimeline or that energy, and
then we're able to tap in andthen, visually, we receive it,
or the downloads come in or theknowing.
However we receive it.

(19:57):
You know everyone's different,but, um, yeah, I actually I Like
well, this one particular I hadwas the war, the Lyran, the
with the Lyran's and which is acollective of beings that are
lions, basically, and so I sawthe war, and then recently I was

(20:18):
watching an episode on Gaia andthey were talking about and
literally sharing the exactvision that I had, and I was
like, oh my gosh, you know, it'sone thing when you have it, but
then when it's confirmed, andyou're just in awe of that
because we have the capacity totap in, but it's being open to
it and to be able to receive it,um, but yeah, that sounds like

(20:44):
a beautiful, like initiationthat you're receiving because of
the energy that you're bringingforward right now.
Right, yeah, exactly yeah, Ijust that you're getting into.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Right.
And so it's just like I love, Ilove it, I love all of it.
It's so juicy, it makes mypersonal life really enhanced
and to really be able tounderstand how it can unfold
more fully.
And so, like I am, I I'm seeingmy uh, the classes unfold,
these cacao ceremonies unfold, Ican see where, um, there's like

(21:19):
opportunity to turn things intomasterclasses and the books
into, you know, really a broaderunderstanding, and I'm just
like I love just followingwherever those inspirations lead
.
And I think that's that's whatwe, what it feels like to be
quote unquote like in the vortexor in your zone of magic and
like really listening to yourheart.
So like I feel like I can be abit of um and get really excited

(21:43):
and I can push the same eventover and over and over again and
I'm like, but it is not tiringto me because I'm like, no, no,
I love it, I love it.
If people could understand thispiece, then they could also have
this level of divineinspiration, of this flow of and
it doesn't have to be exactlywhat I'm doing, but like, I feel
like there's so much wherepeople are and spiritual um

(22:10):
seekers are, are are struggling,especially with the level of
how much heaviness is going onin the world and like, how do we
find our own personalrevolution of love, of radical
self-healing of all of thesethings within us?
Because there's there's a,there's a ripple effect in our

(22:31):
world?
If we can really find, with allthe shit that's going on, can I
find a level of bliss, can Ifind a level of ecstasy, can I
find a level of complete joy?
How is my joyful nature adirect um opposition of war or
you know that struggle, you know, and so it's like I, I feel

(22:55):
like that's where, where, youknow, when things get extreme, I
also go extreme, like I feel,like I'm like, oh yeah, you want
, you want to do all that.
Well, here I am, I'm gonna playwith sex magic for a while.
You, you know, like I might,you know.
So it's really it's interestingfor me to to recognize those,
those extreme energies.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, I think it's important for for us to remember
there is that, that spectrum ofenergy exchange, and so when
there is fear, there is war,there is all this stuff going on
.
We have to carry the oppositeeffect of that, which is the
light, which is joy, which ishappiness.
And it's looking within yourown world.
You know, it's like I feel likewe aren't meant to really like

(23:40):
now we do because we have socialmedia and we have ways of
connecting with all areas of theworld, but really we're not
meant to know what's going onoutside of our own, you know,
unit of people and life and allof that.
And so when we do, it's a lotfor the mind, it's a lot for the
heart, so it's like cultivatingand creating what we can within

(24:01):
our own life space so that weare rippling out that positive
energy to others.
And so within my own communityof, yeah, I'm very much about
bringing forward the positiveabundance of just knowing
yourself connecting with whatyou enjoy doing getting out into
nature, going, you know,traveling to local towns near us

(24:22):
that are mountains, or going tothe vineyards or whatever,
because that's what we, going tothe vineyards or whatever,
because that's what we have, andso it's like go out there and
find the creeks, go out thereand have lunch somewhere, that's
not just in your, your town,you know.
If you need a differentperspective, so we don't have to
, we don't have to hold space inthe sense of matching fear with

(24:42):
fear, right, that reallydoesn't bring in balance, that
tips the scale.
And so you don't want to tipthe scale, you want to bring in
the balance, and the only way ofbringing in balance is by doing
the opposite effect.
So if we want to have apeaceful nature versus war, we
have to bring in the peace, andit will be one person at a time,
but eventually it does rippleout into where a whole community

(25:04):
is in celebration of whatever'sgoing on, like having a
solstice gathering or having,you know, whatever.
It is like hey, it's Saturday,let's just get together and
barbecue.
You know, and we've throw thesetitles on so that people are
intrigued.
But when you break it all down,what it is is we are gathering
as people so that we can shareour energy, our light

(25:25):
conversations, you know, and ifthe conversation for me, I would
like I shift it quick, if itstarts getting dark and you know
, and whatever, and depressing.
It's like, all right, let'schange the topic so that we can
stay more in this light, becausesometimes that's the only time
people have, that's a positiveenergy, is when they can come to

(25:47):
gatherings and they feel intothis energy, and then when they
go home they're back at the news, you know.
And so it's like don't go, dothat like.
Stay in your sacred hoop, stayin your space, so that way you
are able to, like I said, be thelight, shine, feel happy within
yourself, because we're goingto attract what we put out.
So if we put out that negative,we're going to receive it

(26:09):
somehow, some way we're going toattract it.
So I'm like, no, thank you.
I, you know, I mean there'scompassion and love in all areas
for what's happening, but Ialso believe that we we need to
bring in the balance of it.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
But I also believe that we need to bring in the
balance of it, yeah, and reallylike be in your own, like really
come into your heart space,like I feel, like if we can come
into our heart and feel thefeelings, like yeah, it might be
heavy, it might be, like a lotis being triggered as an empath,
like I get that for sure.
And to also go all right, Ifelt the things I can.

(26:47):
I'm not going to deny that partof who I am, of I'm a big
feeler and I can also go.
And now I'm ready to experienceanother emotion that's going to
help come into my alignment sothat I can feel into what is
coming forward for my next step.
Like I think so often we feellike there's nothing I can do.

(27:10):
You know there's nothing I cando to change my, my environment,
my community, my, thegovernment.
Like, whatever it is right, theworld vents like I'm, I feel so
small and then, if we can goactually inward, to go, I have
control of me and I have controlof my emotions and what will

(27:31):
make me feel the most expansivepossible.
And in that expansion, it feelslike that is where you are
opening an invitation to thedivine to say lead me, guide me,
show me my next best step,because we're not going to get
that from the news, but we aregoing to get that from the
divine Right.

(27:56):
And so if I'm making myselfavailable, like even though,
yeah, I have heavy moments andthere are some days where I'm
like today to sit on the couchand just feel sorry for myself
and I'm going to do that, I'mgoing to give myself permission
feel all the feels.
And then I'm going to, and I'mgoing to do that, I'm going to
give myself permission feel allthe feels.
And then I'm going to, I'mgoing to but I'm not going to
stay there, right, like I'mgoing to right and I'm going to
have that permission to feel allthe fields.
And then I'm going to say andnow I'm ready to open myself to

(28:19):
the divine guidance of what isthe next thing for me.
And that's when the visions docome.
That is when the, the, the bookidea shows up, or the, you know
the thing that is really goingto activate you into your
fullest potential.
Because I feel like when we'rein that space, we can get in
alignment with our destiny.
Like, I feel like I'm here inthis moment of this timeline for

(28:43):
reason and purpose.
Right, what is my reason andpurpose?
I always keep coming back tothis of my reason and purpose is
to support you all findingyours right.
Like that is why I'm here.
And when I can get inspired bythat to show up for a live or to
create a workshop or amasterclass, or soul rising or

(29:04):
whatever it may be, I feel likeI'm doing the things.
I'm doing everything that Ipossibly can to make the impact
on people's lives for the better, and I was thinking about this
the other day of.
Like you know, right now wehave so many people who are
graduating from our programs andpart of those closing

(29:26):
ceremonies is for them to reallyreflect on the progress that
they have made and how theirlives have changed.
And I get messages regularlythat say something to the effect
of your podcast really made adifference, or you showing up
this way made a difference in mylife and it's just an
affirmation for me to going,keep going, right.

(29:49):
Like I love hearing our storiesof our students who, like we
have a student graduate who hadbeen diagnosed with MS and
literally has been on a catheterfor 20 years and healed from
that that was just from soulrising and then she joined the
practitioner level and shedecided that she was going to
quit smoking.
Well, she's, she's smoked forlike 30 plus years, forever,

(30:13):
right, quit smoking, no problem.
I'm like, what's your next goal?
Like anything is possible.
This woman is amazing, right,and we hear these stories again
and again.
And I currently have one of ouradvanced students and you know
she, um, she really is feelingthe overall effects.
Like I taught her how to doself attunements for Reiki and

(30:35):
she's like I'm doing every dayand my world is rocked.
Like my life is changing fastand radically and I'm like
that's amazing, changing fastand radically.
And I'm like that's amazing andshe's she's offering Reiki to
her partner on a regular basisand it's bringing their
relationship to a whole newlevel.
And you know, like you hear youhear these stories and I wish

(30:56):
there was a.
You know like I, I wish thateveryone in our audience could
feel their energy.
You know, like this is why weput out those testimonial videos
and our quotes, but I'm like,but to really feel how the
impact has landed for them isjust incredible.
And so to me, it's like I'mecstatic if it's a podcast, I'm

(31:18):
ecstatic if it's a masterclass,I'm ecstatic if it's a soul
rising program, like, whereveryou land, if we're showing up in
our light, we're showing up inour authenticity, if we're
showing up in our exactly who weare meant to doing, what we're
meant to do, and that isresonating with you, it just it

(31:39):
lights me up even further tokeep going, like I don't get
tired of it and I just I love it, I just love it.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
You're not going to become tired when you're
standing in your purpose andyou're doing exactly what you're
meant to do, and even if youare like you're saying you're,
you're sharing the same class orcontent, but each time you do a
live with it, it's not the sameexact message, right?
The words change, theperspective, might, you know,
change a little bit, becausethere's still growth that's

(32:08):
happening within you or theinstructor that's giving it.
So it's like it doesn't get old, old and to um, you know, to
witness people as they'regrowing.
You know, it's like, as youwere talking, I'm feeling like
if everyone in our audience thatis attuned to Reiki could just
truly understand what it meansto just be Reiki.

(32:28):
That, in its sense, is sofreaking powerful.
You know, I was having aconversation, I had my Reiki
share Thursday here at home andand they're, like you know,
making these comments about youknow, your energy is always like
this and I'm like, yeah,because everywhere I go, my
intention is Reiki is with me.
I said so when I, wherever I am, I have a bubble of Reiki with

(32:53):
me, and that energy of who I amis always going to serve others.
And so they're like I love thatand I'm like, yeah, it's just
knowing that, if you can embodythat, just simply embody that
concept, your whole life changes, because everything becomes a
different scope, a differentlens, a different perspective of

(33:14):
life.
And how are you like?
Everything you touch, you know.
It's like if you're cooking andeverything you, you're putting
energy into your food, you'reeating, that you're raising the
vibration of the food thatyou're eating, everything you
drink, everything you you do,the work that you put into it,
the conversations that you have,it all becomes such a higher

(33:35):
vibration of yourself becauseyou have the intention that that
energy is constantly flowingthrough you, from you you are it
, and then everyone.
It's like if my energy touchesyour energy, it's like that
ripple effect that we're talkingabout, right, and so it's just
emerging.
It's like I'm seeing like thecolors of one person moving into
the colors of the other and itjust keeps, you know, keeps

(33:58):
sharing itself and cyclingthrough.
And that is just a simple wayof living.
Just get up and be that energyevery day.
Who are you at your highest andfullest potential?
And when we do have those pityparties, have them, it's all
good.
Have them If you need a day onthe couch and you want to eat a
bucket of ice cream.
It's all good, do your thing,but then the next day, when you

(34:20):
get up, have a differentintention for you, because
yesterday you served yourself inthe way that you could and the
way that you needed to, andthere is no shame in that,
absolutely none.
So then the next day you get up, and now you can be more
powered, you can be creative,you can whatever it is that it's
calling you for that day.
So we just need to stand in ourtruth and our power and then

(34:41):
know that that is exactly wherewe need to be.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, yes, yeah, exactly, and I and I love that,
that process, and I think mybiggest hope is that people
understand that they can takethe baby steps, like if they're
not available, like if they'renot at the current point in
their practice, their rituals,their lifestyle, to embody Reiki

(35:06):
a hundred percent all of thetime.
Well, can you, where can youjust take the baby bites of it?
And I think this is where youknow I, we display, whether it's
Yumi or Isabel, I think this iswhere you know I, we display,
whether it's you, me or Isabel,where we are, like here's the
different areas of our life thatwe are continuously saying yes
to more of.
Please, thanks, thank you,thank you, thank you Like

(35:28):
gratitude, gratitude, gratitudeof like these little bite size
opportunities to keep saying yesto expansive energy.
Right, and when then those addup, then it's become to
expansive energy, right, andwhen then those add up, then
it's become become a lifestyle.
Right, and like I love a Reikilifestyle, I love the energy
that I'm at, I love knowing thatI ultimately am a reflection of

(35:50):
the divine, like if I can livein that space, same thing as
like I'm living in unison withReiki all of the time.
Right, reiki energy flowsthrough me all of the time,
right, and so it's like, if thatis, if you're calling bullshit
in your head while you're doingit, because that's what happens
in the beginning no, that likeit's okay to like break it down,

(36:13):
let's okay.
So maybe it's five minutes, I'mgoing to do this ritual and it
feels like I'm just movingthrough the motions and it
doesn't really feel all thateffective.
But then you do it on a regularbasis and you're like, okay,
maybe this is working, you know.
And so it's like it's okay tobe wherever you're at in that
process, to know that your goalis to live your desired reality,
to live in harmony, to live inexpansion, to live in bliss, to

(36:37):
live in ecstasy.
And it was just so funny that Iwas, we were doing, I was
teaching my advanced class lastnight and one of our students
was doing a guided meditation, asensory meditation, and I'm
like just coming back from fromJapan.

(36:58):
You know, thinking about all ofthe senses are a sign of your
struggle.
You know, your eyes will leadto struggle, your nose will lead
to struggle, your, your tastebuds will lead to struggle and
suffering this.
These are all pathways tosuffering and that's like the
premise of Buddhism is like yoursenses lead to suffering.
That's like the premise ofBuddhism is like your senses

(37:19):
lead to suffering.
And I'm like what if the senseswere a pathway to your bliss?
Right, that's how I see it,absolutely.
And this is where I love theTantra work, because it's very
much like it was a direct resultof what the Buddhist culture
was of going no, we're going tonot deny our senses, we're going

(37:41):
to utilize our senses to live amore full, elaborate, ecstatic
life, Right.
And so here I have my studentdoing this guided visualization
of sensory experience, like takea moment to smell what you
smell, lean into that, totallyenvelop your sensory experience
of smelling what you smell inthis moment.

(38:01):
And like going through all thesenses.
And I just couldn't help likegiggle, because I didn't give
her that this meditation to do.
This is something that she cameup completely on her own and as
an advanced student.
That's what I'm encouraging,right, that's what I'm
encouraging, right.

(38:22):
And to just go, yes, yes, yes,yes.
Because I feel like what if thebody was our medium to the
divine?
What if our physical senseswere what allows us to reach
Satori, rather than the oppositeway of denying ourself, our
human experience is the only wayto reach this bliss Satori
state.

(38:42):
And I'm like, or or we coulduse everything that God has
given us, right, like we weregiven a body, maybe, to not only
experience suffering, but alsoexperience the absolute opposite
of that.
And what does that look like?
And how can we say yes to moreof that?
Because when we really can feelinto the joy, the pleasure, the

(39:06):
spontaneity of feeling, intowhatever's right in front of us,
whether it's a bowl of icecream or dancing in the streets
or enjoying the feeling of rainon our skin or for me, it's like
feeling the cold breeze throughthe window at rain on our skin.
Or for me, it's like feelingthe cold breeze through the
window at night, because it getscold here, right.
So, even though the house mightbe in the seventies, because
it's hot during the day, thatfrigid, cold air blowing in just

(39:30):
feels so glorious, right.
And so it's like what if thesenses were actually the pathway
?
And so it's like what if thesenses were actually the pathway
?
What if the senses wereactually the pathway?
And so that's how.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I see them.
So it's like it's so mindblowing to hear when you were
saying like no, it's like yoursight becomes suffering, your
senses become suffering.
I'm like really, then, what areyou looking at, what are you
tasting, what are you smellingthat is going to create
suffering?

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Because me, I find there's so much joy in all those
things, right, and I, um, itmakes me curious of when?
When do we have?
Um, you know, I yeah, it'sreally interesting.
It's like this place of wherethe mind goes right, like we can
choose how we focus onsomething, and it can cause

(40:19):
suffering, like if I'm watchingthe news, it can cause suffering
, but if I'm watching mychildren play, that can create a
lot of contentment and joywithin myself, right, like.
So it's like where does themind support us?
And I think there's this Kokoroconcept in Reiki of the harmony

(40:40):
of the heart and mind, like themind isn't the enemy.
It can be so supportive if wecan really like trust that the
heart, the feelings of thesituation, is bringing us to the
next best thing, right, so canwe trust the heart and let the
mind be right there with us, inharmony with it.

(41:01):
So, and there are so manypractices that are denying the
mind, like they think the mindis the enemy.
And I'm like I've been having alot of conversations on this
lately because there are so many, there are so many different
practices, whether you'retalking law of attraction or
ho'oponopono, or you know, likethese places of you need to make

(41:22):
the mind blank, do not think.
And I'm like, but it's not,it's not necessarily bad, like
it's not bad, like it's part ofwho we are.
And if all of us is the divinereflection of uh is a divine
reflection, why would that partbe bad?
It's more about how can weharmonize the triple diamond

(41:44):
system and I love that's where,in Reiki, you have these three
energy centers and be like.
None of them are bad, they areserving its purpose of.
How do we connect with thecosmos?
How do we connect with thedivine?
How do we feel with a heart andhave compassion?
How can we feel into that lowerDon Tien space, that horror of
like this is my stability, thisis my strength, this is my

(42:07):
bravery, right and like all ofthem can be in harmony with each
other.
It's not that one is wrong orbad, it's how do we bring in
that harmonious state of beingthat allows us to experience
life without the denial of partof who we are?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, I don't know if you've ever experienced, but I
did 90 breath work last week.
It's a new service that's beingoffered where I'm at, and so
she just did like a taste run onit, and I loved it.
It was a great experience.
It's not my, it would not be mylike go-to for my whole healing

(42:44):
practice, but I really loved it, and what it did, though, is it
actually provided a reallygreat platform for me just to
naturally start doing Reiki andhealing and all this stuff, and
when I was done, the lady islike it was kind of tripping,
because she was like what wereyou doing?
Oh, like, yeah, I'm pulling outenergy and things, but the

(43:05):
visuals that I was receiving soyou go from your conscious mind
into your subconscious and it'sto bring all this stuff up right
.
Well, for me, I've done so muchwork on myself, right.
So there, I didn't have theemotional responses that other
people did in the group, butwhat I did get, which I thought
was amazing, was when we got tothe point of gratitude, I was

(43:25):
able to really narrow in on whatwas important, and so in my
mind, I'm always like you got totravel and adventure and this,
and that I have all these thingsthat I feel like I need to go
out and do, but in the end, itwas literally my people and the
gratitude of love and thegratitude of, like, my children
and my grandchildren and I, youguys, and my husband and my

(43:49):
family.
It was so trippy that when itall got stripped away of all the
things that I feel areimportant to me and the end of
it it was a line of people, itwas a group of people and then
at the very end of it, um, therewas a visual of me connecting
heart to heart with my husbandand that just like amplified the

(44:12):
love for all and it just likeit connected me on a deep level
with him.
Beyond that, and I just startedI cried in the moment of that.
But it was a trip of goingthrough all of these very
abstract visuals and all thisstuff that I was receiving and
and I was in different like Iwas in Egypt and I was in all
these places.
That was like amazing what Iwas seeing.

(44:33):
But in the end, when it was alldown, came down to it, it truly
is love and it is our people andI just seen.
But in the end, when it was allcame down to it.
It truly is love and it is ourpeople and I just thought, wow,
I think we put so many obstaclesand so many things in front of
us Sometimes that we forget thebasics of what brings us harmony
and peace and balance and andwho we we share our life with,

(44:57):
who we surround ourselves withright, and so it is like when we
have people that, like when weare toxic, you know, like when
you're talking a few minutes ago, I was thinking about it when
you were saying, like for us,I'd like our audience to
remember when we came to thisjourney, we were broken, you
know.
We had our issues, we had ourhealth, things going on.
We were broken people that hadto learn to get to the place of

(45:20):
just being who we are and beingenergy at all times and to be
able to share these messagesbecause we've walked through the
fire, we have risen from theashes, you know, and we still
are, because life isn't over,life still going to bring us our
challenges and it's going tobring us trauma and things and
death and you know all thethings that are fearful and we

(45:41):
are always constantly risingfrom it, but it's always tapping
in to that space of love withinthat grows us, that helps us,
that evolves us.
Yeah, so if you haven't tried it, I recommend it.
But I absolutely recommend youbringing your energy with it,
because if I didn't have it, Irecommend it, but I absolutely
recommend you bringing yourenergy with it, because if I
didn't have that, I think itwould have laid a little flat.
But and I think too, becauseit's like I thought she was

(46:05):
going to be teaching us thebreath work, but you, you put
headphones on and you listen tobasically like a guided
meditation, which is kind oftrippy, because the guy's voice
is going from here to here andthere's all these things like
subliminal things in thebackground of like release,
release and all this stuff.
But it's, if you don't rememberto do the breath work, then
you're really just laying therein a meditation.

(46:26):
So I'd have to remind myself ohyeah, you're supposed to
breathe, it's like being ahelper.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I absolutely love breath work.
I think it's the mostphenomenal thing ever.
Like I and it.
It is one of this, these hugecomponents in Tantra Like I see
that someone in the in thecomments asked about Tantra and
Tantra really is a combinationof breathwork, movement and
sound.
Right Like those three makelife juicy, right, it's not

(46:52):
you're teaching the actualbreathwork right.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
It's not like you're just in headphones, like you're
showing and giving the example.
I think that's what I needed.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Well, there's all of these different ways to move the
energy within yourself usingthe breath, right, whether
you're doing microcosmic orbitor you're doing like quantum
light breath, or you're doinglike Wim Hof, breathing like
there's so many different kindsof breath work.
Um, when Hoff breathing likethere's so many different kinds
of breath work, and it's likewhen you activate a part of the

(47:26):
breath where you're, you'reactivating your lungs to create
its own natural DMT.
You can have these psychedelicexperiences in this breath work
process.
And I'm like that in and ofitself, like I remember the
first time I did breath work afew years ago, like a real, true
, uh, wim Hof breathwork, hour,hour too long, hour or two, I'm
not sure which experience and Iwas like that was better than

(47:49):
any psychedelics I've ever tried.
Why even go there?
Like, why do psychedelics, ifthis is the body's natural I do
psychedelics of this is thebody's natural capacity is to
have to to do this type of work.
And so, um, and then it waslike how do we utilize having
the self-awareness of, like,which chakra am I breathing into
, how am I moving it through thechakra and breath work?

(48:12):
And now can I bring some soundto it?
If there was a sound for thechakra.
As I breathe through the chakra, what sound would it make?

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Right, how does my body?
That's what I'm looking forright there.
So maybe over in Montana we cando that and we can bring it
like do live or video orsomething, and let us just
represent that because I wantthat.
So that's what I'm doing at theretreat.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
That is literally it's on the couch Like we're
doing it.
So you'll definitely experienceit.
But that is like this level ofI can focus my breath and my
energetic awareness to theplaces and spaces in the body in
which it's ready to open up forRight.
And you can tell like, oh mygosh, there's something stuck
there.
I can't move the energy throughthis place to its fullest

(48:55):
capacity.
There's something stuck there.
I can't move the energy throughthis place to its fullest
capacity because there'ssomething energetically blocking
or stuck or sludgy.
And I remember having my ownpersonal experience in my the
Tantra retreat that I went to inOctober, where I'm breathing
the energy up Like, yeah, rootchakra solid, okay, we're moving

(49:16):
through that.
Sacral, no problem.
Solar plexus, no problem.
Oh my God.
And there's my heart.
Why isn't it moving throughthis space?
And I had so much grief of mymarriage with my daughter's
father, or so much grief thatwas unprocessed.
I hadn't given or hadn'tallowed myself to really grieve
that I believed when I enteredthat marriage I was marrying my

(49:39):
best friend Like I thought itwas going to last forever, that
there was, there was such beautyin that relationship and that
it didn't last.
You know I was in this so, um,heart sick space.
For for this meditation, forthis breath work, to really feel
all of the emotions of havinglost the love of my life.

(50:01):
Even though he's still aliveand well, I still lost the love
of my life, and so there was somuch grief in my heart space
that I hadn't given awareness tolet's put it that way, I hadn't
given awareness to that levelof grief that we can experience
in divorce.
Right, like I it's not like Iregret the divorce, but I had to

(50:23):
to really experience the levelof emotion and feeling.
And the breath work is going toallow you to feel all of it.
It's going to allow you to havethe awareness of what is coming
up and through you now throughthe breath, and you just keep
through the breath and you justkeep breathing, and then that
breath you're releasing andyou're opening up these
energetic pathways until it'sfull.

(50:43):
And so if you're allowingyourself to make motion and make
sound at the same time, thoseare going to be the catalyst to
really bust through whatever isthere right, and so I might be
moaning or crying or moving, ordry, heaving or whatever it was
to really energetically movethose pathways through and in

(51:06):
that process go, I felt like itwas complete.
Now I don't need to have thatemotion anymore.
I didn't need to experiencethat level of grief again for my
marriage because I did things,I moved it through.
It's no longer stuck in thatheart space.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
I feel like that's the difference and I don't know
if people are going to be like,but that's the difference
between being an energy healerand using technology.
Yeah, that right there, yes,yes is being able to have the
person who's going to guide youand lead you in person and show
you how to do it, versuslistening to a pre-recorded

(51:46):
version of whatever you know.
Not that there's no power inthat, because obviously there is
.
People are using it.
Personally, I like thattangible, like person that's
going to show me how to do itand we're doing this together
and the energy that comes fromthat and, yes, cause that right
there just feels so excitingversus the experience that I had

(52:06):
.
Um, and I'm looking forward toit.
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah.
Cause I do see the power inbreath because, when I'm doing
it just for myself, similar towhat you're talking about, but
not so much like in a group.
I've never experienced it likethat, and so that's what I'm
like heck, yeah, I want to knowthat, right there, I want to
build that experience.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
I did this experience for our practitioner students,
our soul rising practitionerlevel, when we were in throat
chakra and the class like andthis is on Zoom Like there's a
lot of people who don't know ifit can be transferred over to an
online space and I'm like itabsolutely can, it absolutely
can and so, like in person, it'sreally amazing to hear other
people's sounds and experiencesand just bear witness without

(52:54):
any kind of judgment of them,right, like if they can just be
loud or crying or throwing up orwhatever it may be like if just
to witness that can be reallypowerful.
But in the online space, I toldmy students like this might be
outside of your comfort zone andthat's okay.
So if you don't want to haveyour mics on and you want to be
muted, be muted.

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My goal for you is toexperience experience, make the
sound, do the movements, beaware of the energy and your
breath as we move through eachof these chakras and and really
feel into the experience.
And we we did.
By the end of class, I thinkeveryone was either having a
somatic, some type of somaticexperience where they were
releasing.
We had people who were crying,we had people who were orgasming

(53:37):
, we had people like all ofthese different experiences, was
able to come through thisprocess, and I think that's why
I get so excited to really teachbreath work as moving that
Reiki energy, moving the sexualenergy, moving the Tantra energy
, whatever you want to call it.
Energy is energy and so it'slike, how can we do these breath

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works with intention?
And so there are some of thesepractices that I offer in soul
rising and soul risingpractitioner and my advanced
class.
Like I love, I've always beenin love with the idea of having
the awareness of the energy andwhere is it residing in your
body.
So, whether that was 20 yearsago, I was just doing basic
microcosmic orbit, breathing upthe back, exhaling down the

(54:22):
front, just basic one-on-oneenergy awareness of where that
energy is leading.
Versus now, can I do microcosmicorbit with sound, with movement
, with this breathwork, energyawareness of how is it
transforming my life and can Iundulate my spine in accordance
to where that energy awarenessis right, like all of that, like

(54:45):
it can, you can add, you cankeep adding layers and layers
and layers upon this and it'sokay with whatever, where,
whatever spectrum you're on inthat process of that energy
awareness.
Like be in that, keep doingthat.
Like my mind was blown when Iwas like no-transcript, try to

(55:06):
do what you've done for the last20 years, but now move your
spine with it.
I was like mind blown, likethat was such an amazing
experience to like have and I'mlike, oh, we have to teach that,
I have to, I have to teach this.
Like it was just such a simpletweak and it became 20 times
more powerful.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
I love it, I love it and I look forward to it.
Wonderful, I love it, I love itand I look forward to it.
They, um, I feel like it's justthere's so much out there that
we can, you know, like for thosewho are audiences listening
right now and it's like whatevercalls to you, go explore that,
go learn that for yourself andthen, if it is called even

(55:46):
deeper, to then become amasterclass or become something
you teach in your community oron Zoom or whatever, dive into
it Right, because that's wherethe creative spot is.
That's where you get to, like,really hone in on yourself and
say, yes, this calls to me.
I am feeling expansive in thisspace, and this, this teachings
and that that's what we'retalking about here is what

(56:08):
creates that expansive feelingwithin yourself, and you go and
you learn it, you find it, youseek it, and I think there's
just so many blocks that getcreated and it's just like no,
no more.
Clear those blocks out.
You know, however, you need toclear them out and see yourself
from that perspective of growthand expansion, because we need

(56:29):
more teachers out there that aregoing to be sharing this
information and all information.
So, whatever is coming fromyour heart go do it.
You know, I have a one of my newstudents now.
She level one and she createsthese pots that are all like
succulents and stuff and but herspin on it was really cool.

(56:51):
And so she makes.
She was making thunder waterand I'm like, oh my gosh, I've
never thought of thunder water.
I'm like I'm totally gonna makethunder water.
You hear moon water, we makeall that and everything.
But then when she was like ohyeah, we had this big old
thunderstorm, she went out andmade thunder water and I was
like I love that.
I'm like, yes, and how powerfulis that?

(57:12):
To have the energy if you needthunder water to help you bust
through some obstacles, andyou're using that in your
rituals and you're using thatand you know, like anointing
yourself with oils and thunderwater and to give you that power
.
I'm like, yes, yes, absolutely,give you that power.

(57:32):
I'm like, yes, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
So that made me think of our weather a lot.
Well, and I think that's whereI love.
I love what we do, because thewhole point is to inspire you to
be more of you.
Yeah Right, like I don't wantcookie cutters of us, I want you
to be all of who you are.
All of who you are and yourfullest capacity of who you are,
with all of your divineinspirations, with all of your,

(57:56):
your personality showing up,like I, and I love that and I
think that's why I love the waywe have soul rising organized.
So soul rising is our four monthonline program that we start in
the fall.
Um, and this will be, I don'tknow, our sixth round or
something, maybe more than that.
Like we've we've taught.
We've taught this for a lot,but part of it is that we have

(58:16):
so many activating actions.
We have all of these thingsthat here's your buffet table of
all of these opportunities tofigure out what is going to be
your way to get into your flow,to get into your alignment, to
get into your optimal expressionof energy, so that you can be
your most expansive self, and soI think there's like 35

(58:37):
different activating actions andjust soul rising and and it
really is meant to.
Is it breath work?
Is it?
Is it a beating of the bones?
Is it, uh, going to the Creekand doing a ritual?
Like there's so many differentinvitations for you to explore
what's going to work for you.
And I think that is what reallysets our program, our shamanic

(59:00):
Reiki program, apart from othersis because we really want you
to be you, all of you, not me,you all of you.
I want all of you to be thereand showing up and um and I
think that's why we have suchincredible testimonials and
incredible results is becausepeople feel that welcome.

(59:23):
We have a huge welcome mat foreveryone who shows up to be
exactly who they are.
So if you come to class andyou're a hot mess, be a hot mess
.
We'll support you in that hotmessness.
If you come to class and you'relike I did all of the homework
and I did all of the things andI feel amazing about that, I'm
like great, be that.
And if you're the person who'slike I haven't done anything in

(59:44):
a week and I feel crummy and Ineed some support to bust
through a limiting belief of whyI'm procrastinating, great,
we're there for that.
Like, we're just so there tosupport you where, what, however
, things are coming up for you,because we know it's a process,
we know it's a transition toreally start releasing

(01:00:05):
everything that has beeningrained in you from society,
from culture, from your parents,from religion, whatever it may
be, that says be this, this iswho you're supposed to be in the
world, and you have this moldthat you're supposed to be
fitting into, and our job is togive you another option of going
.
Well, that is one way.
You may or may not like thatway, but here's you can also

(01:00:28):
experience all of all of thisout here.
Where, where's, where's thatedge of your comfort zone,
where's that place where youwant to feel more expansive?
And we give you that, thatplatform, that opportunity to
step forward in it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
And it's just incredible to be you yeah, to
literally be you, and not tohave to feel like you are.
You've been molded andconditioned, and we all have but
then there's a place in ourlife where we can say I don't
like that and I don't want to bethat person.
And you have permission in ourcontainer to be whoever you feel
you need to show up as and tomold yourself and to cultivate

(01:01:07):
yourself and condition yourself.
And I love that, becausethere's no more power than that.
That is the power is you takingyourself and molding and
shaping you into who you want tobe and who you feel that you
rightfully are, and just puttingall the sheds out there and
everything and saying, no,that's not for me anymore, and

(01:01:27):
we just get to be the mirror,like if you're feeling in us
like, oh my gosh, I love thisabout Christine and I love that
about Chantel and I love thatabout Isabel.
Know that what we arereflecting back to you is you.
You are seeing in us what youhave in yourself, and so it's
really just leaning into thatversion of you and saying I want

(01:01:48):
to be that, I claim it and ownit and go live it.
Yeah, yeah, I love that.
That's what soul rising is allabout and that's what we do here
.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
I love it, so know that if you're interested in
that program, I know we have alot of people who are live with
us right now who have alreadytaken the program and we love
you guys, so feel free to shareyour own personal experiences
and our moon rising shamanicReiki um Facebook group and page
Um, because people need it.
People need to hear from ourstudents to know that, like,

(01:02:20):
yeah, we're excited about it andbut we know you are too.
And um, we know you are too,because we've we're excited
about it, but so are ourstudents.
Yeah, absolutely, Absolutely,and you know we're going to be
starting this program again herein September.
We already have people signingup, which I think is fabulous.
You do get access to ourorientation materials right away

(01:02:43):
.
Right now we're in early, earlybird, because we're not.
This was spontaneous.
We had like.
Today's conversation was not apre-scripted anything.
We had no idea what we weregoing to talk about, and it
always gravitates to what oursoul alignment is of, where we
are most excited, and having ourstudents find the place within

(01:03:08):
themselves that say, yes, thisis who I am, makes us excited,
and so I'm really glad that wehad this opportunity to share
and to for you to bear witnessto our excitement and know that,
like, if this is something thatyou're interested, feel free to
, to reach out to me and we candefinitely talk.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Yeah, I've loved this conversation because I know
we're kind of like on our likesummer vacay right now.
We're taking like this time todo the behind the scenes and,
you know, replenish our ownenergy and everything.
But yeah, these are like theconversations that are so improv
that it's just like where arewe going to go?
Where is the conversation goingto go?
Right, it's just natural andorganic and I'm glad that we did

(01:03:48):
this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah me too.
Yeah, very cool.
Well, thank you all for hangingout with us on this Monday
morning, and we will let youknow in the in our group when
we'll be back.
But know that Chantel is doingher readings on Thursday
mornings.
I am excited and showing upwith different videos and

(01:04:10):
different opportunities, so Iwouldn't be surprised if
something's going to be birthedout of all of my tantra work
right now.
So keep an eye out for that,and until next time, may you
awaken to the whispers of wisdomrising from within.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Love you.
Bye.
You guys have a great night.