September 29, 2025 • 48 mins
✨ What if your hardest relationships are actually teachers, and your recurring triggers are maps guiding you toward healing? In this episode, we explore how Soul Contracts and Spiritual Archetypes form a living framework for meaning, growth, and purpose.
From the four universal shadow archetypes—the victim, saboteur, prostitute, and child—to their light expressions as warrior, magician, lover, and sovereign child, you’ll learn how to recognize and alchemize patterns without bypassing the hard stuff.
You’ll discover:
🌙 Why archetypes are so powerful—they’re vivid, fast, and collective (everyone knows what “queen” or “victim” means)
🌙 How to shift from blame to accountability in seconds using archetypal awareness
🌙 The 12 houses of archetypes and where patterns show up—home, career, relationships, spirituality
🌙 How practitioners can use archetypes to speed up client intakes, reduce counter-transference, and hold a clean, compassionate healing field
Christine and Shantel share candid stories from their own spiritual trenches, including surprising spirit-guide dynamics and upper-world resistance, and how those challenges built unshakable confidence for client work that others might find “too heavy.”
We also dive into the bigger picture—how to be a sacred witness in a chaotic world, stay engaged without being consumed, and recognize when antagonists are actually pushing you toward sovereignty.
✨ Ready to map your own patterns and step fully into your light?
Join Shantel’s upcoming 8-week Soul Contracts + Archetypes Masterclass, starting October 9. Learn more and enroll here: https://moonrisinginstitute.circle.so/c/soul-contracts-archetypes/
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SPEAKER_00 (00:04):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
Isabel Wells, and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.
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Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy healing, andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom.
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners, we are
here to help you acknowledge,reconcile, and balance your
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energy so that you can awaken tothe whispers of wisdom rising
from within.
SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
I was um doing a bunch of video editing for
Chantel's upcoming masterclass,and I was like, damn, this is
gonna be good.
And uh so today we're gonna betalking about the topics of soul
contracts and weaving themtogether with archetypes and how
those two topics combined canreally support you live out your
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best life and really from a veryself-aware point of view.
And so I'm this is one of myfavorite topics that Chantel
speaks to, offers wisdom on,because she she's so solid in it
and it makes it makes so muchsense that I I'm really excited
to have her on today because Imean, even last night I'm like,
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which archetype am I in rightnow?
And I'm like, what wouldChantelle say?
SPEAKER_02 (02:03):
No, these are absolutely two of my most
favorite topics because it's solife-changing.
And that, and so weaving themtogether, merging the two
concepts together really doeshelp us stand in our own
strength and our own empowermentof who we are, right?
So I find that we we go fromlike, it's like the process of
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going from blaming others totaking accountability to
realizing nobody is, you know,at fault.
They're just we're all learningand their lessons, their human
lessons and soul contracts wecame in to do.
And so it's raising ourconsciousness and connecting
with the earth space and whatlessons it has to teach us, what
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we're here to do.
And that's what I love aboutthese two things.
It's like our spiritualcurriculum, our spiritual like
school.
But at the same time, this givesus the awareness of who we are
and what we're here to do andwhy we act this a certain way,
why we look at things a certainway, and how can we see each
other through those lens.
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Right.
SPEAKER_01 (03:07):
Well, and I think too, like for me, it's also
recognizing that regardless ofwhere you are, there's always a
light and a shadow.
And for me, that was reallypotent.
Like, there's this idea thatthere, there's some something
out there that this is perfectlyall light without any kind of
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shadow, and it just does notexist.
And every single archetype thatyou step into has its attributes
and it has its underlyinglessons and current to learn
from and how to alchemize that,to be in your highest version of
who you are.
And so I just find um as youexplore this journey, it gives
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you permission to really look atall the places and spaces within
yourself that you've been hidingand shrugging away from.
And when we can come into aspace of that self-awareness of
going, yeah, I might hold thisarchetype, but this is how that
darkness can show up.
And I'm not gonna be afraid ofthe dark anymore.
Like, I think there's a lot ofyou know, idea that like
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darkness is bad, shadow is bad,like whatever it is.
Like we have these connotationsof like, let's just ignore that
part of ourselves.
And there's so much wisdom inher, there's so much, there's so
much potent energy in her thatwhen we can tap into that and
recognize that it's all ablessing in a way, if things
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begin to shift in your life oflike you let go of self-judgment
because you can recognize thatyou're okay being all of who you
are.
I can accept and love all of whoI am and both my like light and
my shadow.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
Yeah, you get to embrace you and accept you and
love yourself on a level that ifyou are shaming yourself for
your shadow, right?
Then there's a whole part of youthat you're not loving, that
you're not nurturing, thatyou're not caring for.
And that's what's so importantwith the light and the shadow.
It's like, yes, love through allthe light, you know, but then
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when that shadow comes up, weneed to love ourselves even
deeper.
We need to like take care ofourselves even more, you know,
because we can't suppress andexpect it to go away.
It's never gonna go away.
It will wait for us, it willshow up when we least need it,
when we least expect it, and inthe most inappropriate times.
So it really is like, why don'twe just get to know that part of
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ourself now because we'vealready been hanging out and
carrying it for years and yearsand years.
Yeah.
So it's really important.
And I think that the more peopleare aware of this information
and know how tangible it is andhow fluid it is in your life,
and just the moment yourecognize it and you hook with
it, you're like, oh yeah, I cansee that part of myself.
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It is it literally is in secondsof your life that you're like,
okay, I see this part and I'mgonna love on that.
I'm gonna release it, whateveryou feel you need to do in the
moment, but then that bringsyour balance back in.
So it's not like you have to doa long journey of working with
your archetypes.
You just need to know yours, andyour archetype will tell you who
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you are and then shows upeveryone else, you know?
And everyone else is yourmirror.
So that's all always fun.
SPEAKER_01 (06:31):
Right.
Well, and I think this comes toa really big picture vision of
like, who am I?
Why am I here?
What's my purpose?
Why did I choose this life?
What lessons are available tome?
Why do I track the people andcertain events in my life and
challenges and patterns?
Like, like all of those thingsshow up when we start talking
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about soul contracts andarchetypes.
And I think that's why they go,they blend so well together
because you're really availableto look at that big picture.
And so there are so many peoplein the world who's like, why?
What's the point of all of this?
Why am I here?
What is this all for?
And it's like, oh, here, righthere, right here.
We have we have those answers,and it's all very specific to
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you.
And uh, you should definitelycheck this out.
SPEAKER_02 (07:20):
Yeah.
It's literally like a book ofyourself, right?
We all want to know aboutourselves.
When anyone comes to goes andhas a reading done, has any kind
of session done, what are youthere to do?
You're there to learn about you.
So this is another level,another layer of figuring out
who you are, decoding your ownself, your own life, and opening
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yourself up.
So it is um, like we can bringin our karmic cycles, but then
you know why.
Why is that there, you know?
Why do I tend to blame others?
Why am I on the fence or I'malways holding on to resentment
and anger?
Well, this really helps you tounpack all that and to
understand why.
And it accelerates your healingand the evolution that we're
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here to do.
Right.
We're evolving people.
SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
That I think that's it.
It's like this understandingwhat that we have these
unconscious patterns that aregoing on, and how do we bring
the unconscious into theconscious?
And this just puts it right outin front of you.
Like, there's, I think that'swhy I love working with the
archetypes, is like you choosewhat's like becomes alive in you
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as you're looking through all ofthe different archetypes.
SPEAKER_02 (08:31):
There's there's really like, I think what's oh,
I mean, there's probably wellover a hundred different
archetypes, but I think there'slike 74, 78 in the deck in the
book, but they're unlimited.
And new ones are coming inbecause as our world evolves and
changes and shifts, newarchetypes are being created all
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the time.
Like the networker that didn'texist 60 years ago.
So now we have that.
We have the social mediainfluencer, you know.
We have all these are allarchetypes.
So when you as soon as I saysocial media influencer, you
know who that is.
That's someone who's on the, youknow, they got their camera,
they're in the video, they'relive on T on their social media
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all the time, right?
So that is really how they startcoming in because these are
spiritual guides, these are it'senergies that come in to help us
lift as a people.
SPEAKER_01 (09:25):
Yeah, yeah.
And I think that's why it's socool, is because it's a
collective consciousness.
We have this idea of what thisversion of when I say this word,
what it means.
And everyone has everyone hasthis idea, they could they can
put a picture to it.
So if I say queen, or if I sayvictim, or if I say whatever,
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whatever it may be, you can havethis visual aspect come to you
going, that's what that whatthat's what that means.
We all have this knowingnessinside.
And so when you're going throughlooking at all these different
archetypes and going, what'salive in me?
What's feels true to me?
And you're like, not that one,that doesn't fit at all.
And then you're and then youread a card or look at the book
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and you're like, dang, that onematches.
Maybe I'm comfortable or notcomfortable with saying that
that is me, but that is true,it's alive in me, right?
And so you're literally siftingthrough the archetypes, and then
that process, you're saying,This is who I am with my light,
with my shadow.
Oftentimes it's a shadow that'sgoing to reveal, like, oh yeah,
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you're holding this one.
You might not have ever seen thelight version of it.
It's like the dark shadow thatyou haven't had to really deal
with or witness in a consciousway.
And then you're reading the cardlike, oh, dang, that's my
pattern.
Shit.
Okay, we're putting that in thepattern.
SPEAKER_02 (10:50):
And then when you grow and evolve, so say you come
in and you're the orphan child.
So you're the child that hadabandonment issues growing up,
right?
Then that orphan child willevolve into the seeker, the
seeker of truth, the seeker ofunderstanding.
The seeker then becomes a sage.
The sage carries the wisdom, andthe wisdom, the sage then
becomes the teacher.
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So when you're evolving withthese, there's actually like who
you can become, unless you say,I'm the orphan child and I'm
stuck there for life.
You know, people do that too.
We have free will, we have thechoice to stay in our victim
state, but you don't have to.
You can grow and evolve withthat.
And so as we further advance inour our awareness and our
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healing of ourself and thosearound us, we do.
We we grow into more fullness ofwho we are based off of what we
came in here to do.
Right.
And what are they here to teachus?
Because they're our teachers.
So if it's the orphan child,what are we learning?
We're learning how to setboundaries, we're learning how
to love ourselves, we'relearning how to trust, right?
SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
So I want, I'm gonna ask you a question.
Like, I know, but like I want Iwant to hear your answer.
So we have all these archetypes.
Who chooses our archetypes?
Why these archetypes?
We do on a soul level.
Tell me more.
SPEAKER_02 (12:12):
So my understanding is on a soul level, is that now
if you aren't familiar withthis, um, if you go and you
research Dolores Cannon, shewhen she was alive, she um she
was a hypnotist, or yeah, butshe was very spiritual in her
work.
And she've worked with thousandsof people in her lifetime, and
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they all had the same stories.
We would be on the other side,our soul guides would come, and
and we would have this basicallya soul meeting, a meeting of
souls that would come together.
So you do have to think of it ona much higher scale of thinking,
right?
You're thinking from the soulperspective.
So it's like a meeting of thesouls, and you come together and
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you say, Okay, I'm coming in,I'm gonna incarnate.
And these are the lessons mysoul needs to learn in this
lifetime.
Who wants to work with me?
So then you have certain peoplethat come, your parents, your
children, your siblings, yourbest friends, your enemies, all
come forward as a soul and say,I'll take this role, I'll take
this role, I'll take that.
On top of that, we have ourguides.
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So our guides say, okay, well,I'll be the victim, and I'll be,
you know, so these certainarchetypes start coming forward
to help you stay on your path inlife.
Because when we come in, weforget what our purpose is,
right?
So it's these energetic beingsthat come in to push us on our
journey to keep us in alignmentand to so we can learn the
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lessons and wake up.
And the whole thing is to comeback to remembering who we are
and why we are here, right?
SPEAKER_01 (13:45):
Yeah, it's a remembering of right, and so
it's all about this going fromthis unconscious to this
conscious embodiment of thefullness of who we are, and
really recognizing that as thesedifferent players, characters,
and our story come forward,which character are they in?
Which archetype are theyembodying?
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What is that character orarchetype trying to teach us so
that we learn the lesson and wecan continuously evolve and grow
and expand into the knowingnessof who we are?
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (14:20):
It is and it's so expansive.
Like you can take the little bitof knowledge and just even a
little bit planting those seedsright now, just a little bit is
it big enough for you to havelike a big self-awareness.
But the more you dive into it,it's just so expansive, and
there's so many layers becausenot only are you getting your
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archetypes, but they're in yourhouse.
So you're your zodiac will of 12houses.
So now they're in your eachhouse.
So you can see where are eachone of my archetypes residing in
and why is that showing up?
Well, there you go.
If you have the victim in yourhome, right?
Well, yeah, you're probablygonna create a lot of chaos in
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your house.
You're gonna feel likeeveryone's against you, you're
gonna probably have chaos withyour parents, you know, you're
gonna have unhealthyrelationships, toxic
relationships.
But then you heal the victim andyou realize, oh, well, they're
all just living at the consciouslevel they're at, too.
SPEAKER_01 (15:17):
Right.
Well, you know, I'll I'll throwout my own personal experience
with this.
So in my house of spirituality,my is my saboteur.
Yeah.
And I am so frustrated with thisbecause I know it.
Like, I know I have this patternthat when a spiritual lesson is
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on the horizon, I'm gonna throwa freaking tantrum in the spirit
world and drag my feet and likefight against it and all of the
things.
And I probably get violent inthe spiritual world.
And my story is so contrast toour students, to most people.
Like, I just turn into afreaking two, three-year-old in
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the spirit world, and like Ithrow a freaking fit because I
don't want to do it their way.
And then I here I am, I'mwatching, I'm watching
Wednesday, you know, the Netflixseries.
SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
And I watched that last night, right?
SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
I yeah.
So, like, and here she is inseason two, trying to find her
spirit guide, and no one wantsto be her spirit guide.
And so it's like the principlefrom the previous season.
I'm like, yeah, that's how itworks for me.
Like, my spirit guide does notwant to work with me.
I am a pain in the ass.
Like, we throw, we throw downand we get in fights all the
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time.
Like, that is my relationshipwith him.
And I'm like, this is so notnormal.
And then I look at my chart andI go, and it freaking makes
sense.
This is my thing, this is whyI'm sabotaging in the spiritual
world.
Like, I get it, I get it.
Still can be frustrating, butI'm glad that what was once in
my unconscious is now in myconscious, so I can come to
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terms with it and work throughit.
SPEAKER_02 (16:56):
Because think about how much suffering that would be
for you if you didn't know.
If every time you came back frominteracting with your guides,
you didn't have thisinformation, and you're like,
why am I always fighting?
This isn't healthy.
You would be going into blamingyourself.
There'd probably be a lot ofself-punishment.
I'm not I'm not good enough, I'mnot this.
All these negative thoughtswould come forward, right?
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Yeah.
But then when you see it, you'relike, oh, that totally makes
sense.
Right.
It totally makes sense.
SPEAKER_01 (17:25):
Yeah, like I've had spirit guides possessed by other
entities.
Like, I mean, it's been afreaking mess in my spiritual
world that is so abnormal thananyone I've ever spoken to
before.
And it makes it really real.
And um, because it's not alllight and rainbows.
And at the same time, like I canstep back and see why things are
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happening the way they are toteach me lessons of what I need
to learn and lean into where canI find the peace and calm within
that?
Where can I find the trust andsurrender in that, knowing that
this is my underlying habitualnature of the saboteur in my
spiritual world?
SPEAKER_02 (18:05):
Yeah, you know, and then with soul contracts.
So the the archetypes came forme later, but with soul
contracts, even though I didn'thave the conscious like language
for it, I knew throughout mylife, like this is big stuff.
Like I'm going through so muchin my life, like this has to
mean something on my spirituallevel, right?
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And then it all did because allthe experiences I went through
got me to where I am right now.
So if I didn't go through a lotof that, I wouldn't even be able
to help the amount of people Ican help.
I wouldn't be able to provide aservice, you know, right for
what I do.
SPEAKER_01 (18:42):
Well, and I think that's why I have my spiritual
world the way it is, like myhouse with the saboteur in it,
is because I have seen all kindsof shit go down in the spiritual
world.
I've fought my wars, you know,like I've done the things, but
so when I need to step up for myclients or my students in the
spiritual world, like none, Ijust don't feel like I could
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possibly be surprised anymore.
Right.
So like I can step in and betheir warrior, I can be their
their um, I can be the fullnessof who I am, knowing that like I
have the power to navigate thespiritual world in in a way that
most people can't, right?
And so, and and teachingstudents how to find their own
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empowerment stories if they runinto what feels like dark, heavy
energy in the spiritual world.
Like I'm like, oh yeah, beenthere, done that.
Like, here's what we're gonnado.
Like, I'm it's very is it can bevery easy for me to to move into
that space because of theexperience I've had, right?
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So it's like it all comes backto, you know, having this
conscious awareness now, seeingthe the life purpose in it.
Like I do demonic depossessionsand home energy clearings and
crossover spirits.
Like I do all this, like reallywhat some spiritual healers
would think as like heavierwork.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, it'snot, it's cool, it's not a big
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deal.
Like this isn't hard for me,like it doesn't scare me, right?
SPEAKER_02 (20:14):
And so you created that that contract at on a soul
level for you to come in and beable to do that because there
was a whole purpose that's gonnalead you to the platform in
which you're on and where we'reat, right?
So, my in my spirituality, Ihave the healer.
Well, I wasn't the healergrowing up in my you know 20s
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and 30s.
I was like the wounded hero.
I was the saboteur, I was all ofthat.
I could even, you know, I wasthe destroyer probably.
But what ended up happening wasas all of those life experiences
started healing, the healer inme came in.
That archetype showed up.
It was activated because Istarted healing the aspects of
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myself that then can say, andnow you are ready.
Now you're ready to step into ahealer, to become an energy
healer, to be a Reikipractitioner, all these things
that I do now.
Yeah, but it came into like oneSagittarius, which is my zodiac,
my spirituality, the healer.
I mean, that's three right therein my primary, um, in that one
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pie, in that one chart.
And it's just so amazing whenyou look at it from this side of
the view back to all of it.
I'm like, man, it all makes somuch sense.
It all makes so much sense.
SPEAKER_01 (21:31):
Chantel taught me this about a year ago.
That was the first time she didmy chart, it was about a year
ago.
And you know, it's what is alsocoming to mind right now is my,
I don't remember which zodiacsign it is that's your highest
potential.
I don't remember which your 10thhouse.
My 10th house.
I I think so.
It's my and that one is theexorcist, it's the shaman,
right?
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Like, so of course, all thesethings come together, and now
it's like, ah, I okay, I see, Isee what's happening here, why
these different art archetypesare showing up in different
houses with different attributesto create this soul, like to
really come forward with yoursoul agreements, lessons, and
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learnings, right?
And so when you can have that,you can really start to have
this recognition within yourselfof like, this is who I am, this
is my purpose, this is why thesethings make sense, and this is
why these types of relationshipsdon't work for me, or they do
work for me because I'm gonnahonor who I am and I'm gonna
learn.
So, by having thisself-awareness, you can really
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start to learn how to diffuseconflict, how to how to have
compassion in your relationship.
It really shows you when youneed to release a relationship
with love.
Like, how do you let that go ina healthy way?
Like it's all about evolvinginstead of repeating.
And I really have learned somuch in the last year from
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working on soul contracts andarchetypes with Chantel over
those last year.
I really think it was that thatwas the first time we did it was
when I visited Hemet,California, where you're at a
year ago.
SPEAKER_02 (23:06):
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, and there was thatmoment where you're like, I
don't want this card, I don'twant this archetype, and it was
the queen, and you were likefighting it, and then in the end
you kept going, no, it's thesetwo, it's these two, and then
you went back to it and you'relike, uh, it is the queen.
SPEAKER_03 (23:22):
But can't I please have the priestess?
SPEAKER_01 (23:24):
Like, I want the priestess.
Can I please have or theempress?
Like that feels much more, andyou're like, and I'm like, no,
it's fucking queen.
Okay, fine, I'll take it.
SPEAKER_02 (23:34):
But it makes so much sense in the way your
personality comes through, yeah.
So that's why it's like chartingyour your astrologic or your um
archetypical will is very muchabout sitting with each energy,
with each archetype and tuninginto the energy of them and
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seeing how they have played outthroughout your life.
It's not because you want it,it's not because you're like,
oh, I like what that onerepresents.
No, it's really to the core ofwho you are and seeing the
patterns.
SPEAKER_01 (24:06):
I'm laughing because I had um, I was in midwifery
school when I was 20 years old,like, and one of my co-midwifery
students at school nicknamed meQueen Christine.
Like sometimes look, like it'sso funny when you can see your
past and be like, yeah, she'sbeen showing up for a while,
right?
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And that idea that I'm going tosit on a throne in my
sovereignty and delegate andrule.
There was something about thatthat I was like, I don't want to
be that person.
I don't want to be seen thatway.
And yet it is who I am.
And it's part of my archetypalwheel that says, How can you do
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that benevolently?
How can you do thatcompassionately?
How can you do that with as muchlight as possible?
And you can see where she showsup when she's not in her light,
and it's it's a ruler, it'salmost dictator-like, and it's
like, this is the way it is,we're gonna move forward this
way, and sometimes it's notcompassionate because sometimes
rulers don't have the grace,they aren't, and it's like, oh
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dang, you know, and so I thinkthis is where there's so much
availability to learn becausewhen you can have that awareness
of like, yeah, I can see her howshe shows up in that um in that
shadow and in her light, andthen showing up in different
ways for different areas, it'slike I I get it, and she's got
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so much responsibility, she'sgot so much responsibility to
hold for the whole kingdom,right?
And so um there's a lot ofweight on her shoulders to to
get it right and to and to beable to move things forward in a
healthy direction and to tocreate the peace and the realms
and you know, all these things.
(25:58):
And sometimes it it's it's hard.
It's hard to hold both.
And knowing that that's in myarchetypal wheel, it's like I'm
really glad that I have theawareness and didn't deny myself
that is part of who I am.
SPEAKER_02 (26:11):
Absolutely.
Because then you can see howit's in alignment with who you
are and who you're becoming andwhat you're here to do.
And so it's not having judgmenton it and it's not ego, you
know, and I think it's the egothat says, no, I want this one
because I like what it means andrepresents versus saying, no,
speaking truth to yourself.
This is what I have.
(26:32):
Like I have the bully in mind.
That one's not a fun one tohave, right?
You know, but am I now?
No, but have I been?
Yes.
And so I can see and and I workwith that side of myself to make
sure that that version of medoesn't show up.
So that's that self-awarenessthat is so important to have
because you cannot just go outand be bullying society.
(26:55):
You gotta know that you'restanding in your power and
you're coming in and you'refinessing that side of yourself.
You know it's there because theshadows are a warrior, but
doesn't mean it's gonna comethrough like a bull in a china
shop, you know?
And that's that was my earlieryounger years is like I'm here,
ah, and now I'm like, no, that Ican tame that, I can finesse
(27:18):
that part of me, and it doesn'tshow up like that.
So I've really learned what isin alignment with who I am and
where I'm at, and also likebringing in our own conscious
awareness, it helps eliminate alot of the chaos, and that's
where I am too with my family,is I can really diminish a lot
of chaos right now where Icouldn't do that before.
(27:39):
I didn't have the ability to doit.
But now it's like I noticed evena conversation I had the other
day, a quick conversation, butum, I saw that it was like my
mom needed to hear that she wasokay.
And before that part of me mightnot have given that to her, but
instead I flipped it around andwas like so compassionate with
(28:00):
her that she felt all like, ohyeah, and let me tell you about
this and this.
And it opened her up to shareeven more.
And I'm like, okay, mom, yeah.
You know, but it really does alot of healing.
It's it heals yourrelationships, it heals you, it
just gives you a broaderperspective on life.
SPEAKER_01 (28:18):
Well, and I think with that broader perspective,
too, it's like even as Reikipractitioners, as shamanic
healers, whatever it is,whatever you're practicing, when
you can see which archetype yourclients are showing up in, that
can that can really help supporttheir healing and transformation
to go, this is what they'reembodying right now.
(28:41):
They're embodying the victim,they're embodying the whatever
the bully.
Like I remember having a clientprobably 10 years ago, and
literally we were doing, she hadthe the bully archetype.
She had gone through middleschool and high school by
literally being the bully.
And here I am as herpractitioner who had been
(29:02):
severely bullied in middleschool, and I'm holding space
for her to sham do a shamanicjourney to meet her bully to see
how she could be healed andloved and transformed.
And you know, as thepractitioner, how do you hold
space for that?
Right?
Like, how do you stand in yourpower and your truth and not let
(29:23):
your victim come out to go,nope, I'm right now, I am the
healer, I am the practitioner, Iam whatever archetype is going
to help hold space for thetransformation for your clients,
right?
So having this awareness of soulagreements, of soul contracts,
of your archetypes is it helpshealers and practitioners and
(29:46):
facilitators understand groupdynamics and individuals.
And it's just, I can see how itshows up in so many areas of my
life, whether it's for myself,for my kids, for my clients, and
it Just the more we can bringfrom the unconscious into the
conscious so that we can beaware, we're making a choice.
(30:07):
Like it comes to a free willchoice of like, I am willing to
look at my stuff and I'm willingto make changes and I'm willing
to say yes to all of me, of whoI am, self-acceptance and
recognizing like there's lessonsand learnings in all of this.
SPEAKER_02 (30:21):
Yeah, let's talk about that for a second from the
per the um perspective of thepart um the practitioner.
When you know this informationand you're doing intake with
your clients and you're doingthe integration at the end, and
you can be like, oh yeah, okay,I see the victim, I see the
wounded child, I can see thisaspect, this, this, this.
(30:42):
It you don't need to sit andhave months of conversation.
You literally can just dial itin like that.
And then they're like, whoa, howdo you know me so well?
Well, because I can see yourarchetypes, I see where you're
at, how you're processing it,what you're transmuting, what
you're not transmuting, whatyou're still stuck in.
(31:02):
So, from a practitioner point ofview, man, this is on point
information.
It's it is really powerful.
And when you do the healing,like you were saying, for
yourself, you get to show up asthat space holder for whatever
walks through your door.
And you're not gonna betriggered by their triggers
because you already healed yourtriggers.
(31:23):
So now you just get to hold thespace, which is extremely
powerful as practitioners.
Right.
So know that this informationplays on both the personal
healing as well as advancing thepractitioner's point of view.
SPEAKER_01 (31:37):
Yeah.
And I think that's where, youknow, like I can use this every
day for myself, but wow, what apowerful facilitator I can step
into when I bring this into myclient sessions.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, it's just uh it's justit's really powerful work.
Like I'm just I'm like, I loveit.
I really do.
(31:58):
I'm just like, I'm over hereplaying in the space all the
time because I'm like, oh, lookwho's showing up now.
Like, but it's not, it's veryoften that I'm like, where's my
book?
Where's my sheet?
I need to look at that again.
And um because there's times inyour life where things get hard
or you're kind of down onyourself or whatever it may be.
(32:20):
And then having that time forself-reflection of going, what's
going on here?
And how can I step?
How can I work through this?
Where do I need support?
And when you can can you be inthat space, guess what?
You're gonna help your clientsand students on such a deeper
level.
If you can, you can take thetime for yourself to do it
first.
SPEAKER_02 (32:41):
And I think right now, especially with for a lot
of us, you know, like talk aboutlike um shamans, like I don't
have that background, but thatarchetype is so alive in me.
I have the shaman heart.
Like, you know, you have theshaman heart, like we have this.
So it's the archetype that isalive in us that stepped in and
said, Okay, you will walk thisjourney, this path.
(33:04):
And everything has aligned us toit.
To you can't even deny it.
The heart strings are pulled,the soul contracts are being
played out, you know, andthere's nothing we can do at at
some point to deny it, unlessyou are in true denial of self.
Then that's you know, you'reworking with the beginning
aspects of what we're talkingabout.
(33:24):
But when you get beyond that,you can say, Yeah, this is why
this is showing up in my life.
Because there were times whereI'm like, where did this come
from?
And and then it was just like,Oh, there it is, that's why.
Yeah, yeah, because I agree toit.
I'm here to do the work.
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (33:42):
Oh, we're here to do the work.
Because when you live in thisconsciousness of recognizing
where those cycles, thosepatterns are coming in, it's
like you can see through thechaos.
SPEAKER_03 (33:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:56):
So tell me more about how that works for you in
your world.
SPEAKER_02 (34:01):
I think that's where they're um the sacred witness
comes in.
So, like with everything that'sgoing on on our worldly platform
right now, we can be, we caneither we have the choice.
We have the choice to dive inand be in the chaos of it,
emotionally attached, mentallyattached, financially, we speak
on it, which then whatever wespeak, the universe gives us.
(34:24):
So then, you know, if we'retalking scarcity, if we're
talking war, if we're talkingfamine, whatever, we will see
that in our world, in our life,in our personal world, right?
But if you can become thewitness of it and be the
balancer of offering love andcompassion to what's happening,
and in your world, you'reworking on that, and you're
(34:45):
talking about healing, you'retalking about um, you know,
abundance and and that the worlditself is wakening, that's what
you start to see.
That's the light that you areworking with.
Those are the archetypes you'reworking with.
That's the soul contract thatyou're working with.
So for me, I it's like I can Ican step back and not be
(35:06):
involved in the chaos because Ican see the other side of it.
And what is it gonna do?
How is I how am I gonna helpanyone if I'm so sucked into the
chaos that I can't help?
I can't help myself, can't helpnobody.
So then me, I'm like, come,let's let's gather, let's have a
circle, let's talk about things,let's do some healing work,
(35:26):
let's drum it out.
Whatever needs to show up,that's what shows up.
And then people show up in theirlight because you're giving a
platform for that versus theshadow when everyone wants to
and you gossip on it, and andthen you leave feeling so
freaking heavy, and you're like,fuck, what am I doing?
(35:47):
You know, life is heavy, andthen you carry that burden when
you actually can be the onethat's here to help Hilda and
transmute that energy, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:00):
It's it can be a lot walking through this world, and
I know I've said it before, butyou know, we didn't come to
Earth for a vacation.
We came for our soul agreements,we came for these contracts, we
came to learn these lessons, andthe world is shaped to kind of
poke at that so people will wakeup, right?
Like it's gotta be in theshadow, it's gotta be on the
(36:22):
dark side, it's gotta be on thisheavier end so that people can
bear witness to what how they'recontributing to it.
SPEAKER_02 (36:30):
Yes, 100%.
And right now, if you're lookingout there, there's millions of
people standing up, millions ofpeople gathering and and in
love, you know, because peoplewant change, people are ready
for change, and that's whatwe're here.
We're shifting it.
We're we are watching it, we'rehere to do it.
We're, you know, and so dependson what channel you tune into,
(36:54):
right?
Yeah, so pay attention.
So look for the lighter versionof what's going on out there
because the more you do that,the more you're gonna lift up
your own spirit and connect withothers.
SPEAKER_01 (37:07):
So yeah, yeah.
So we get to like step into thisplace of embracing what's
emerging within you becausethere is in that self-awareness
through all of it, you can beable to step in your full
embodiment of your power, ofyour passion, of your purpose,
of your mission, and reallystart acting that out.
(37:29):
And not everyone's missions areeasy, you know.
Like, I feel like there are somepeople who just like, oh yeah,
this is my mission, is isspreading the love and light,
and I'm just gonna stay like,and I'm just like, well, lucky
you can do your own life, right?
Like, I'm not gonna deny themtheir truth.
And I'm like, there's a lot ofpeople who come in with missions
(37:51):
to be to be the saboteur, to bethe these heavier, darker
archetypes, because they're theones who are waking up everyone
around them, so they're in aposition of self-sacrifice in a
in a timeline because by thembeing in their almost like their
nastiness, right?
(38:13):
Then everyone around them ishaving to create boundaries,
right?
So it's like sometimes,sometimes there's it, there's a
witnessing of my I can accept mylife and where I'm at with the
relationships that I have myworld, knowing that some of the
people in my life came here tochoose to be my teacher, and the
(38:34):
way they're teaching me isthrough their darkness, through
their for their antagonisticactions, through their shadow
side, and they're embodying itso damn well that I can on the
surface, I just want to, youknow, go to battle.
And then when I real realizewhat's going on and going, what
(38:54):
are they trying to teach mehere?
My I don't need a battle, I needboundaries, right?
SPEAKER_02 (38:59):
I don't need that is such, and that's it.
That's the biggest question iswhat are they trying to teach
me?
What is this person here toteach me?
What is this mirror?
We're all a reflection of eachother.
So it's like, what do you have?
Like if they're if you have envytowards someone, why?
Why do you feel that right?
It's because they you they havein themselves what you want in
(39:21):
yours, right?
Right.
So you have to look at it.
Like either you can use them asan inspiration and say, you
inspire me, and I want to, youknow, walk that kind of walk.
So I'm gonna go and build thatfor myself, or you can sit in
the shadow and have the envy ofit where you're you have that
evil eye and you're gonna bemore negative and you're gonna
shoot that negativity and you'renot gonna build it for yourself.
(39:43):
So it really is finding thebalance.
So when you have someone likeyou're saying, that's gonna be
narcissistic, or they they comein and you're they're
antagonizing you, is to wake youup and to force you into your
own triggers of why am I stillbeing triggered by this?
Yeah.
And that's an opportunity to dothe work for yourself and to be
able to close the chapter onthat, to release it, to close
(40:07):
the door and say that no longeraligns with me.
And I get to shift and pivot andmove this way in life now.
Yeah, change the timeline,collapse the old timelines.
And and when you we do that,yes, we are embodying and
embracing our highest version ofourselves, and we can continue
to grow from there.
SPEAKER_01 (40:27):
Yeah.
Okay, on that note, yeah, I knowthat you have got an amazing
upcoming masterclass, and it'snot like anything we've done
before because it's it's long.
I mean, it is it's long and it'son purpose.
Like I feel like to really graspall this information to really
(40:47):
deep dive on it so that you canreally utilize your archetypes
and transmute and and step intoyour fullness power.
We needed this length.
And I've I've I've edit somevideos and like prepared the
back end with Chantel.
And I'm like, this is gonna bedamn good.
So will you let our listenersknow like what you're doing,
(41:08):
what's what's what's coming up,when are we doing it, all the
things?
SPEAKER_02 (41:12):
So we're definitely um I'm offering an eight-week
class, master class that startsOctober 9th.
And so um we will meet once aweek, but you're gonna have all
your pre-recorded videos towatch.
And during this eight-weekcourse, we're gonna deep dive
into our soul contracts.
I'm gonna share my contract withyou.
(41:33):
You're gonna map your owncontract, um, and then we're
going to be able to understandwhy and how that happens.
And then we're gonna move intoour archetypes.
So, our four collectivearchetypes are the victim, the
saboteur, the prostitute, andthe child.
And we're gonna work with eachone of those for one full week.
(41:54):
So you're gonna have, you'regonna be observing it, you're
gonna witness it in yourself,you're gonna transmute it within
yourself, you're gonna integrateall of that, and you're gonna
stand in the power of its lightversion, which is the warrior,
the lover for the prostitute.
Um, so it's the warrior, themagician, the lover, and the
(42:14):
sovereign child.
So as we work through each oneof these, we're gonna go through
meditations to meet our journeyand journey to our guides.
So you can actually meet thevictim and yourself, and you're
gonna meet the magician andyourself.
So you can really um, this istangible work.
This is like live class inaction, happening in your world.
(42:36):
You're gonna work with them,you're gonna keep track of
everything that you've done.
There's homework, there's aworkbook, there's journey
prompts, there's all kinds ofstuff going on in it just so
that we can learn how to workwith ourselves.
SPEAKER_01 (42:50):
One of my favorite things with the schedule itself
is that there's a break overThanksgiving.
So it's like you learn all ofthis stuff, and it's like, now
go deal with family and see howit all shows up, and then we're
gonna meet the week.
SPEAKER_02 (43:01):
And that's totally on purpose.
So you get two weeks overThanksgiving to really
integrate.
And when you come back, it'sintegration, like we're doing
the work over that period.
So when you go to family, you'regonna have all these tools to
recognize yourself, yourtriggers, and your family
members and go, oh my gosh, Inever looked at us this way.
(43:23):
And then you can work with youand say, I can alchemize this,
set yourself up with it and besuccessful.
So you can sit at the table withyour family and not feel like
you're that 10-year-old or15-year-old kid with mom and
dad, right?
Now you get to be your adultversion.
SPEAKER_01 (43:43):
I just think it's like the craftiest way to put
this all together because whenyou have soul contracts, it's
with your family, right?
And so it's like everyone, likeyou will be able to see the
characters at Thanksgiving andgoing like, yeah, I know who
everyone is here, like I knowhow they're playing their part
and having that self-awareness.
(44:04):
It's just gonna be uh like tome, I'm like that that's just
gonna be a little mind-blowing.
Like, I just can't.
SPEAKER_02 (44:11):
I do, I love that because you might think you're
the most hilled person, but thenyou go hang out with family and
you go, dang.
Yeah, you're going to be like,I'm so wounded.
What's going on?
What happened?
Who am I?
And you leave thinking, like,what the heck just happened in
there?
How did I lose my shit?
SPEAKER_01 (44:27):
Right.
I know.
And it's like every holidayseason, we really try to put out
material that's like how to howto heal through the holidays or
how to stay in your yourauthentic truths during the
holidays.
Like we have all these likepodcasts and different things
that we do during the holidayseason.
It's like, but this is what theyneed, right?
Like a one-time podcast isn'tgonna do it.
(44:50):
This is what they need to reallybe able to go into the holiday
season feeling clear andconfident and knowing who they
are so they don't waver, right?
Like you might waver, but you'regonna be able to come right back
into alignment.
SPEAKER_02 (45:05):
Yeah.
So it is eight weeks long.
You get me for um 90 minutes totwo hours once a week, and then
we go through all of a QA.
We go through um thepresentation that you watch.
We, like I said, we do a guidedmeditation, a guided journey to
go up to the upper world and tomeet your archetypes.
(45:25):
Um, you're gonna map out yourown.
We're going to um chart your ownzodiac.
So your archetypical will, we'regonna chart four of them.
So you're gonna have four out ofyour 12 completed.
You're gonna see really whereyou are, and I'm gonna be there
to support you.
So, not only that, you're gonnabe supported, you're gonna have
your own chat in your own groupwith your cohort and all of
(45:47):
that.
So it's to me, it's an amazingway to do it.
And I don't know if there'sanyone else out there that's
doing it quite in the way thatI'm doing it.
No, I've taught this severaltimes now, and people walk away
like, dude, it's power, and it'schanging their lives.
And that's the thing, it changesyour life.
If you take this information andyou apply it, it's gonna change
(46:10):
you.
Right.
That's because it's coded in youto wake up to your archetypes.
SPEAKER_01 (46:15):
Yes, right, it's a remembering, yeah, it totally
is, and I think it's changed theway I perceive the world.
The more I get into it, the moreI want more.
The more I just want more.
I want more.
Like I read the books, I've donethe things, but now I'm like,
oh, but Chantel's course isgonna be so hot.
It's like I just I'm reallyexcited for it.
(46:36):
So we will get that informationout into all of the places and
spaces here short shortly.
If you're listening to thepodcast, you be sure to check
the show notes.
We're gonna have the informationto sign up there.
We start October 9th.
So there is a time to sign up.
This is gonna be a juicy, rich,enlivening, aligning, eight-week
(46:59):
masterclass.
So if you're interested and youhave questions, feel free to
reach out to Chantel.
She can answer your questionsover on Facebook Messenger.
You can email us over at mysticsat moonrisinginstitute.com.
We're here to support you.
We love you all.
We thank you so much for showingup, for listening, for doing the
work, for getting curious, forbringing what's in the
(47:20):
unconscious into the conscious,from recognizing what your
shadows are and loving all theaspects and parts of yourself.
Like we're here for all of it.
So thank you, thank you, thankyou so very much.
And until next time, may youawaken to the whispers of wisdom
rising from within.
Thanks, everyone.
SPEAKER_02 (47:36):
Thank you.
Bye, everyone.
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SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
I was um doing a bunch of video editing for
Chantel's upcoming masterclass,and I was like, damn, this is
gonna be good.
And uh so today we're gonna betalking about the topics of soul
contracts and weaving themtogether with archetypes and how
those two topics combined canreally support you live out your
(01:33):
best life and really from a veryself-aware point of view.
And so I'm this is one of myfavorite topics that Chantel
speaks to, offers wisdom on,because she she's so solid in it
and it makes it makes so muchsense that I I'm really excited
to have her on today because Imean, even last night I'm like,
(01:57):
which archetype am I in rightnow?
And I'm like, what wouldChantelle say?
SPEAKER_02 (02:03):
No, these are absolutely two of my most
favorite topics because it's solife-changing.
And that, and so weaving themtogether, merging the two
concepts together really doeshelp us stand in our own
strength and our own empowermentof who we are, right?
So I find that we we go fromlike, it's like the process of
(02:24):
going from blaming others totaking accountability to
realizing nobody is, you know,at fault.
They're just we're all learningand their lessons, their human
lessons and soul contracts wecame in to do.
And so it's raising ourconsciousness and connecting
with the earth space and whatlessons it has to teach us, what
(02:46):
we're here to do.
And that's what I love aboutthese two things.
It's like our spiritualcurriculum, our spiritual like
school.
But at the same time, this givesus the awareness of who we are
and what we're here to do andwhy we act this a certain way,
why we look at things a certainway, and how can we see each
other through those lens.
(03:06):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (03:07):
Well, and I think too, like for me, it's also
recognizing that regardless ofwhere you are, there's always a
light and a shadow.
And for me, that was reallypotent.
Like, there's this idea thatthere, there's some something
out there that this is perfectlyall light without any kind of
(03:27):
shadow, and it just does notexist.
And every single archetype thatyou step into has its attributes
and it has its underlyinglessons and current to learn
from and how to alchemize that,to be in your highest version of
who you are.
And so I just find um as youexplore this journey, it gives
(03:51):
you permission to really look atall the places and spaces within
yourself that you've been hidingand shrugging away from.
And when we can come into aspace of that self-awareness of
going, yeah, I might hold thisarchetype, but this is how that
darkness can show up.
And I'm not gonna be afraid ofthe dark anymore.
Like, I think there's a lot ofyou know, idea that like
(04:16):
darkness is bad, shadow is bad,like whatever it is.
Like we have these connotationsof like, let's just ignore that
part of ourselves.
And there's so much wisdom inher, there's so much, there's so
much potent energy in her thatwhen we can tap into that and
recognize that it's all ablessing in a way, if things
(04:40):
begin to shift in your life oflike you let go of self-judgment
because you can recognize thatyou're okay being all of who you
are.
I can accept and love all of whoI am and both my like light and
my shadow.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
Yeah, you get to embrace you and accept you and
love yourself on a level that ifyou are shaming yourself for
your shadow, right?
Then there's a whole part of youthat you're not loving, that
you're not nurturing, thatyou're not caring for.
And that's what's so importantwith the light and the shadow.
It's like, yes, love through allthe light, you know, but then
(05:16):
when that shadow comes up, weneed to love ourselves even
deeper.
We need to like take care ofourselves even more, you know,
because we can't suppress andexpect it to go away.
It's never gonna go away.
It will wait for us, it willshow up when we least need it,
when we least expect it, and inthe most inappropriate times.
So it really is like, why don'twe just get to know that part of
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ourself now because we'vealready been hanging out and
carrying it for years and yearsand years.
Yeah.
So it's really important.
And I think that the more peopleare aware of this information
and know how tangible it is andhow fluid it is in your life,
and just the moment yourecognize it and you hook with
it, you're like, oh yeah, I cansee that part of myself.
(06:01):
It is it literally is in secondsof your life that you're like,
okay, I see this part and I'mgonna love on that.
I'm gonna release it, whateveryou feel you need to do in the
moment, but then that bringsyour balance back in.
So it's not like you have to doa long journey of working with
your archetypes.
You just need to know yours, andyour archetype will tell you who
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you are and then shows upeveryone else, you know?
And everyone else is yourmirror.
So that's all always fun.
SPEAKER_01 (06:31):
Right.
Well, and I think this comes toa really big picture vision of
like, who am I?
Why am I here?
What's my purpose?
Why did I choose this life?
What lessons are available tome?
Why do I track the people andcertain events in my life and
challenges and patterns?
Like, like all of those thingsshow up when we start talking
(06:53):
about soul contracts andarchetypes.
And I think that's why they go,they blend so well together
because you're really availableto look at that big picture.
And so there are so many peoplein the world who's like, why?
What's the point of all of this?
Why am I here?
What is this all for?
And it's like, oh, here, righthere, right here.
We have we have those answers,and it's all very specific to
(07:17):
you.
And uh, you should definitelycheck this out.
SPEAKER_02 (07:20):
Yeah.
It's literally like a book ofyourself, right?
We all want to know aboutourselves.
When anyone comes to goes andhas a reading done, has any kind
of session done, what are youthere to do?
You're there to learn about you.
So this is another level,another layer of figuring out
who you are, decoding your ownself, your own life, and opening
(07:40):
yourself up.
So it is um, like we can bringin our karmic cycles, but then
you know why.
Why is that there, you know?
Why do I tend to blame others?
Why am I on the fence or I'malways holding on to resentment
and anger?
Well, this really helps you tounpack all that and to
understand why.
And it accelerates your healingand the evolution that we're
(08:03):
here to do.
Right.
We're evolving people.
SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
That I think that's it.
It's like this understandingwhat that we have these
unconscious patterns that aregoing on, and how do we bring
the unconscious into theconscious?
And this just puts it right outin front of you.
Like, there's, I think that'swhy I love working with the
archetypes, is like you choosewhat's like becomes alive in you
(08:28):
as you're looking through all ofthe different archetypes.
SPEAKER_02 (08:31):
There's there's really like, I think what's oh,
I mean, there's probably wellover a hundred different
archetypes, but I think there'slike 74, 78 in the deck in the
book, but they're unlimited.
And new ones are coming inbecause as our world evolves and
changes and shifts, newarchetypes are being created all
(08:52):
the time.
Like the networker that didn'texist 60 years ago.
So now we have that.
We have the social mediainfluencer, you know.
We have all these are allarchetypes.
So when you as soon as I saysocial media influencer, you
know who that is.
That's someone who's on the, youknow, they got their camera,
they're in the video, they'relive on T on their social media
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all the time, right?
So that is really how they startcoming in because these are
spiritual guides, these are it'senergies that come in to help us
lift as a people.
SPEAKER_01 (09:25):
Yeah, yeah.
And I think that's why it's socool, is because it's a
collective consciousness.
We have this idea of what thisversion of when I say this word,
what it means.
And everyone has everyone hasthis idea, they could they can
put a picture to it.
So if I say queen, or if I sayvictim, or if I say whatever,
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whatever it may be, you can havethis visual aspect come to you
going, that's what that whatthat's what that means.
We all have this knowingnessinside.
And so when you're going throughlooking at all these different
archetypes and going, what'salive in me?
What's feels true to me?
And you're like, not that one,that doesn't fit at all.
And then you're and then youread a card or look at the book
(10:10):
and you're like, dang, that onematches.
Maybe I'm comfortable or notcomfortable with saying that
that is me, but that is true,it's alive in me, right?
And so you're literally siftingthrough the archetypes, and then
that process, you're saying,This is who I am with my light,
with my shadow.
Oftentimes it's a shadow that'sgoing to reveal, like, oh yeah,
(10:32):
you're holding this one.
You might not have ever seen thelight version of it.
It's like the dark shadow thatyou haven't had to really deal
with or witness in a consciousway.
And then you're reading the cardlike, oh, dang, that's my
pattern.
Shit.
Okay, we're putting that in thepattern.
SPEAKER_02 (10:50):
And then when you grow and evolve, so say you come
in and you're the orphan child.
So you're the child that hadabandonment issues growing up,
right?
Then that orphan child willevolve into the seeker, the
seeker of truth, the seeker ofunderstanding.
The seeker then becomes a sage.
The sage carries the wisdom, andthe wisdom, the sage then
becomes the teacher.
(11:11):
So when you're evolving withthese, there's actually like who
you can become, unless you say,I'm the orphan child and I'm
stuck there for life.
You know, people do that too.
We have free will, we have thechoice to stay in our victim
state, but you don't have to.
You can grow and evolve withthat.
And so as we further advance inour our awareness and our
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healing of ourself and thosearound us, we do.
We we grow into more fullness ofwho we are based off of what we
came in here to do.
Right.
And what are they here to teachus?
Because they're our teachers.
So if it's the orphan child,what are we learning?
We're learning how to setboundaries, we're learning how
to love ourselves, we'relearning how to trust, right?
SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
So I want, I'm gonna ask you a question.
Like, I know, but like I want Iwant to hear your answer.
So we have all these archetypes.
Who chooses our archetypes?
Why these archetypes?
We do on a soul level.
Tell me more.
SPEAKER_02 (12:12):
So my understanding is on a soul level, is that now
if you aren't familiar withthis, um, if you go and you
research Dolores Cannon, shewhen she was alive, she um she
was a hypnotist, or yeah, butshe was very spiritual in her
work.
And she've worked with thousandsof people in her lifetime, and
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they all had the same stories.
We would be on the other side,our soul guides would come, and
and we would have this basicallya soul meeting, a meeting of
souls that would come together.
So you do have to think of it ona much higher scale of thinking,
right?
You're thinking from the soulperspective.
So it's like a meeting of thesouls, and you come together and
(12:53):
you say, Okay, I'm coming in,I'm gonna incarnate.
And these are the lessons mysoul needs to learn in this
lifetime.
Who wants to work with me?
So then you have certain peoplethat come, your parents, your
children, your siblings, yourbest friends, your enemies, all
come forward as a soul and say,I'll take this role, I'll take
this role, I'll take that.
On top of that, we have ourguides.
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So our guides say, okay, well,I'll be the victim, and I'll be,
you know, so these certainarchetypes start coming forward
to help you stay on your path inlife.
Because when we come in, weforget what our purpose is,
right?
So it's these energetic beingsthat come in to push us on our
journey to keep us in alignmentand to so we can learn the
(13:36):
lessons and wake up.
And the whole thing is to comeback to remembering who we are
and why we are here, right?
SPEAKER_01 (13:45):
Yeah, it's a remembering of right, and so
it's all about this going fromthis unconscious to this
conscious embodiment of thefullness of who we are, and
really recognizing that as thesedifferent players, characters,
and our story come forward,which character are they in?
Which archetype are theyembodying?
(14:06):
What is that character orarchetype trying to teach us so
that we learn the lesson and wecan continuously evolve and grow
and expand into the knowingnessof who we are?
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (14:20):
It is and it's so expansive.
Like you can take the little bitof knowledge and just even a
little bit planting those seedsright now, just a little bit is
it big enough for you to havelike a big self-awareness.
But the more you dive into it,it's just so expansive, and
there's so many layers becausenot only are you getting your
(14:40):
archetypes, but they're in yourhouse.
So you're your zodiac will of 12houses.
So now they're in your eachhouse.
So you can see where are eachone of my archetypes residing in
and why is that showing up?
Well, there you go.
If you have the victim in yourhome, right?
Well, yeah, you're probablygonna create a lot of chaos in
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your house.
You're gonna feel likeeveryone's against you, you're
gonna probably have chaos withyour parents, you know, you're
gonna have unhealthyrelationships, toxic
relationships.
But then you heal the victim andyou realize, oh, well, they're
all just living at the consciouslevel they're at, too.
SPEAKER_01 (15:17):
Right.
Well, you know, I'll I'll throwout my own personal experience
with this.
So in my house of spirituality,my is my saboteur.
Yeah.
And I am so frustrated with thisbecause I know it.
Like, I know I have this patternthat when a spiritual lesson is
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on the horizon, I'm gonna throwa freaking tantrum in the spirit
world and drag my feet and likefight against it and all of the
things.
And I probably get violent inthe spiritual world.
And my story is so contrast toour students, to most people.
Like, I just turn into afreaking two, three-year-old in
(15:59):
the spirit world, and like Ithrow a freaking fit because I
don't want to do it their way.
And then I here I am, I'mwatching, I'm watching
Wednesday, you know, the Netflixseries.
SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
And I watched that last night, right?
SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
I yeah.
So, like, and here she is inseason two, trying to find her
spirit guide, and no one wantsto be her spirit guide.
And so it's like the principlefrom the previous season.
I'm like, yeah, that's how itworks for me.
Like, my spirit guide does notwant to work with me.
I am a pain in the ass.
Like, we throw, we throw downand we get in fights all the
(16:31):
time.
Like, that is my relationshipwith him.
And I'm like, this is so notnormal.
And then I look at my chart andI go, and it freaking makes
sense.
This is my thing, this is whyI'm sabotaging in the spiritual
world.
Like, I get it, I get it.
Still can be frustrating, butI'm glad that what was once in
my unconscious is now in myconscious, so I can come to
(16:53):
terms with it and work throughit.
SPEAKER_02 (16:56):
Because think about how much suffering that would be
for you if you didn't know.
If every time you came back frominteracting with your guides,
you didn't have thisinformation, and you're like,
why am I always fighting?
This isn't healthy.
You would be going into blamingyourself.
There'd probably be a lot ofself-punishment.
I'm not I'm not good enough, I'mnot this.
All these negative thoughtswould come forward, right?
(17:19):
Yeah.
But then when you see it, you'relike, oh, that totally makes
sense.
Right.
It totally makes sense.
SPEAKER_01 (17:25):
Yeah, like I've had spirit guides possessed by other
entities.
Like, I mean, it's been afreaking mess in my spiritual
world that is so abnormal thananyone I've ever spoken to
before.
And it makes it really real.
And um, because it's not alllight and rainbows.
And at the same time, like I canstep back and see why things are
(17:45):
happening the way they are toteach me lessons of what I need
to learn and lean into where canI find the peace and calm within
that?
Where can I find the trust andsurrender in that, knowing that
this is my underlying habitualnature of the saboteur in my
spiritual world?
SPEAKER_02 (18:05):
Yeah, you know, and then with soul contracts.
So the the archetypes came forme later, but with soul
contracts, even though I didn'thave the conscious like language
for it, I knew throughout mylife, like this is big stuff.
Like I'm going through so muchin my life, like this has to
mean something on my spirituallevel, right?
(18:26):
And then it all did because allthe experiences I went through
got me to where I am right now.
So if I didn't go through a lotof that, I wouldn't even be able
to help the amount of people Ican help.
I wouldn't be able to provide aservice, you know, right for
what I do.
SPEAKER_01 (18:42):
Well, and I think that's why I have my spiritual
world the way it is, like myhouse with the saboteur in it,
is because I have seen all kindsof shit go down in the spiritual
world.
I've fought my wars, you know,like I've done the things, but
so when I need to step up for myclients or my students in the
spiritual world, like none, Ijust don't feel like I could
(19:05):
possibly be surprised anymore.
Right.
So like I can step in and betheir warrior, I can be their
their um, I can be the fullnessof who I am, knowing that like I
have the power to navigate thespiritual world in in a way that
most people can't, right?
And so, and and teachingstudents how to find their own
(19:28):
empowerment stories if they runinto what feels like dark, heavy
energy in the spiritual world.
Like I'm like, oh yeah, beenthere, done that.
Like, here's what we're gonnado.
Like, I'm it's very is it can bevery easy for me to to move into
that space because of theexperience I've had, right?
(19:49):
So it's like it all comes backto, you know, having this
conscious awareness now, seeingthe the life purpose in it.
Like I do demonic depossessionsand home energy clearings and
crossover spirits.
Like I do all this, like reallywhat some spiritual healers
would think as like heavierwork.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, it'snot, it's cool, it's not a big
(20:10):
deal.
Like this isn't hard for me,like it doesn't scare me, right?
SPEAKER_02 (20:14):
And so you created that that contract at on a soul
level for you to come in and beable to do that because there
was a whole purpose that's gonnalead you to the platform in
which you're on and where we'reat, right?
So, my in my spirituality, Ihave the healer.
Well, I wasn't the healergrowing up in my you know 20s
(20:35):
and 30s.
I was like the wounded hero.
I was the saboteur, I was all ofthat.
I could even, you know, I wasthe destroyer probably.
But what ended up happening wasas all of those life experiences
started healing, the healer inme came in.
That archetype showed up.
It was activated because Istarted healing the aspects of
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myself that then can say, andnow you are ready.
Now you're ready to step into ahealer, to become an energy
healer, to be a Reikipractitioner, all these things
that I do now.
Yeah, but it came into like oneSagittarius, which is my zodiac,
my spirituality, the healer.
I mean, that's three right therein my primary, um, in that one
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pie, in that one chart.
And it's just so amazing whenyou look at it from this side of
the view back to all of it.
I'm like, man, it all makes somuch sense.
It all makes so much sense.
SPEAKER_01 (21:31):
Chantel taught me this about a year ago.
That was the first time she didmy chart, it was about a year
ago.
And you know, it's what is alsocoming to mind right now is my,
I don't remember which zodiacsign it is that's your highest
potential.
I don't remember which your 10thhouse.
My 10th house.
I I think so.
It's my and that one is theexorcist, it's the shaman,
right?
(21:51):
Like, so of course, all thesethings come together, and now
it's like, ah, I okay, I see, Isee what's happening here, why
these different art archetypesare showing up in different
houses with different attributesto create this soul, like to
really come forward with yoursoul agreements, lessons, and
(22:13):
learnings, right?
And so when you can have that,you can really start to have
this recognition within yourselfof like, this is who I am, this
is my purpose, this is why thesethings make sense, and this is
why these types of relationshipsdon't work for me, or they do
work for me because I'm gonnahonor who I am and I'm gonna
learn.
So, by having thisself-awareness, you can really
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start to learn how to diffuseconflict, how to how to have
compassion in your relationship.
It really shows you when youneed to release a relationship
with love.
Like, how do you let that go ina healthy way?
Like it's all about evolvinginstead of repeating.
And I really have learned somuch in the last year from
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working on soul contracts andarchetypes with Chantel over
those last year.
I really think it was that thatwas the first time we did it was
when I visited Hemet,California, where you're at a
year ago.
SPEAKER_02 (23:06):
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, and there was thatmoment where you're like, I
don't want this card, I don'twant this archetype, and it was
the queen, and you were likefighting it, and then in the end
you kept going, no, it's thesetwo, it's these two, and then
you went back to it and you'relike, uh, it is the queen.
SPEAKER_03 (23:22):
But can't I please have the priestess?
SPEAKER_01 (23:24):
Like, I want the priestess.
Can I please have or theempress?
Like that feels much more, andyou're like, and I'm like, no,
it's fucking queen.
Okay, fine, I'll take it.
SPEAKER_02 (23:34):
But it makes so much sense in the way your
personality comes through, yeah.
So that's why it's like chartingyour your astrologic or your um
archetypical will is very muchabout sitting with each energy,
with each archetype and tuninginto the energy of them and
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seeing how they have played outthroughout your life.
It's not because you want it,it's not because you're like,
oh, I like what that onerepresents.
No, it's really to the core ofwho you are and seeing the
patterns.
SPEAKER_01 (24:06):
I'm laughing because I had um, I was in midwifery
school when I was 20 years old,like, and one of my co-midwifery
students at school nicknamed meQueen Christine.
Like sometimes look, like it'sso funny when you can see your
past and be like, yeah, she'sbeen showing up for a while,
right?
(24:26):
And that idea that I'm going tosit on a throne in my
sovereignty and delegate andrule.
There was something about thatthat I was like, I don't want to
be that person.
I don't want to be seen thatway.
And yet it is who I am.
And it's part of my archetypalwheel that says, How can you do
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that benevolently?
How can you do thatcompassionately?
How can you do that with as muchlight as possible?
And you can see where she showsup when she's not in her light,
and it's it's a ruler, it'salmost dictator-like, and it's
like, this is the way it is,we're gonna move forward this
way, and sometimes it's notcompassionate because sometimes
rulers don't have the grace,they aren't, and it's like, oh
(25:15):
dang, you know, and so I thinkthis is where there's so much
availability to learn becausewhen you can have that awareness
of like, yeah, I can see her howshe shows up in that um in that
shadow and in her light, andthen showing up in different
ways for different areas, it'slike I I get it, and she's got
(25:37):
so much responsibility, she'sgot so much responsibility to
hold for the whole kingdom,right?
And so um there's a lot ofweight on her shoulders to to
get it right and to and to beable to move things forward in a
healthy direction and to tocreate the peace and the realms
and you know, all these things.
(25:58):
And sometimes it it's it's hard.
It's hard to hold both.
And knowing that that's in myarchetypal wheel, it's like I'm
really glad that I have theawareness and didn't deny myself
that is part of who I am.
SPEAKER_02 (26:11):
Absolutely.
Because then you can see howit's in alignment with who you
are and who you're becoming andwhat you're here to do.
And so it's not having judgmenton it and it's not ego, you
know, and I think it's the egothat says, no, I want this one
because I like what it means andrepresents versus saying, no,
speaking truth to yourself.
This is what I have.
(26:32):
Like I have the bully in mind.
That one's not a fun one tohave, right?
You know, but am I now?
No, but have I been?
Yes.
And so I can see and and I workwith that side of myself to make
sure that that version of medoesn't show up.
So that's that self-awarenessthat is so important to have
because you cannot just go outand be bullying society.
(26:55):
You gotta know that you'restanding in your power and
you're coming in and you'refinessing that side of yourself.
You know it's there because theshadows are a warrior, but
doesn't mean it's gonna comethrough like a bull in a china
shop, you know?
And that's that was my earlieryounger years is like I'm here,
ah, and now I'm like, no, that Ican tame that, I can finesse
(27:18):
that part of me, and it doesn'tshow up like that.
So I've really learned what isin alignment with who I am and
where I'm at, and also likebringing in our own conscious
awareness, it helps eliminate alot of the chaos, and that's
where I am too with my family,is I can really diminish a lot
of chaos right now where Icouldn't do that before.
(27:39):
I didn't have the ability to doit.
But now it's like I noticed evena conversation I had the other
day, a quick conversation, butum, I saw that it was like my
mom needed to hear that she wasokay.
And before that part of me mightnot have given that to her, but
instead I flipped it around andwas like so compassionate with
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her that she felt all like, ohyeah, and let me tell you about
this and this.
And it opened her up to shareeven more.
And I'm like, okay, mom, yeah.
You know, but it really does alot of healing.
It's it heals yourrelationships, it heals you, it
just gives you a broaderperspective on life.
SPEAKER_01 (28:18):
Well, and I think with that broader perspective,
too, it's like even as Reikipractitioners, as shamanic
healers, whatever it is,whatever you're practicing, when
you can see which archetype yourclients are showing up in, that
can that can really help supporttheir healing and transformation
to go, this is what they'reembodying right now.
(28:41):
They're embodying the victim,they're embodying the whatever
the bully.
Like I remember having a clientprobably 10 years ago, and
literally we were doing, she hadthe the bully archetype.
She had gone through middleschool and high school by
literally being the bully.
And here I am as herpractitioner who had been
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severely bullied in middleschool, and I'm holding space
for her to sham do a shamanicjourney to meet her bully to see
how she could be healed andloved and transformed.
And you know, as thepractitioner, how do you hold
space for that?
Right?
Like, how do you stand in yourpower and your truth and not let
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your victim come out to go,nope, I'm right now, I am the
healer, I am the practitioner, Iam whatever archetype is going
to help hold space for thetransformation for your clients,
right?
So having this awareness of soulagreements, of soul contracts,
of your archetypes is it helpshealers and practitioners and
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facilitators understand groupdynamics and individuals.
And it's just, I can see how itshows up in so many areas of my
life, whether it's for myself,for my kids, for my clients, and
it Just the more we can bringfrom the unconscious into the
conscious so that we can beaware, we're making a choice.
(30:07):
Like it comes to a free willchoice of like, I am willing to
look at my stuff and I'm willingto make changes and I'm willing
to say yes to all of me, of whoI am, self-acceptance and
recognizing like there's lessonsand learnings in all of this.
SPEAKER_02 (30:21):
Yeah, let's talk about that for a second from the
per the um perspective of thepart um the practitioner.
When you know this informationand you're doing intake with
your clients and you're doingthe integration at the end, and
you can be like, oh yeah, okay,I see the victim, I see the
wounded child, I can see thisaspect, this, this, this.
(30:42):
It you don't need to sit andhave months of conversation.
You literally can just dial itin like that.
And then they're like, whoa, howdo you know me so well?
Well, because I can see yourarchetypes, I see where you're
at, how you're processing it,what you're transmuting, what
you're not transmuting, whatyou're still stuck in.
(31:02):
So, from a practitioner point ofview, man, this is on point
information.
It's it is really powerful.
And when you do the healing,like you were saying, for
yourself, you get to show up asthat space holder for whatever
walks through your door.
And you're not gonna betriggered by their triggers
because you already healed yourtriggers.
(31:23):
So now you just get to hold thespace, which is extremely
powerful as practitioners.
Right.
So know that this informationplays on both the personal
healing as well as advancing thepractitioner's point of view.
SPEAKER_01 (31:37):
Yeah.
And I think that's where, youknow, like I can use this every
day for myself, but wow, what apowerful facilitator I can step
into when I bring this into myclient sessions.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, it's just uh it's justit's really powerful work.
Like I'm just I'm like, I loveit.
I really do.
(31:58):
I'm just like, I'm over hereplaying in the space all the
time because I'm like, oh, lookwho's showing up now.
Like, but it's not, it's veryoften that I'm like, where's my
book?
Where's my sheet?
I need to look at that again.
And um because there's times inyour life where things get hard
or you're kind of down onyourself or whatever it may be.
(32:20):
And then having that time forself-reflection of going, what's
going on here?
And how can I step?
How can I work through this?
Where do I need support?
And when you can can you be inthat space, guess what?
You're gonna help your clientsand students on such a deeper
level.
If you can, you can take thetime for yourself to do it
first.
SPEAKER_02 (32:41):
And I think right now, especially with for a lot
of us, you know, like talk aboutlike um shamans, like I don't
have that background, but thatarchetype is so alive in me.
I have the shaman heart.
Like, you know, you have theshaman heart, like we have this.
So it's the archetype that isalive in us that stepped in and
said, Okay, you will walk thisjourney, this path.
(33:04):
And everything has aligned us toit.
To you can't even deny it.
The heart strings are pulled,the soul contracts are being
played out, you know, andthere's nothing we can do at at
some point to deny it, unlessyou are in true denial of self.
Then that's you know, you'reworking with the beginning
aspects of what we're talkingabout.
(33:24):
But when you get beyond that,you can say, Yeah, this is why
this is showing up in my life.
Because there were times whereI'm like, where did this come
from?
And and then it was just like,Oh, there it is, that's why.
Yeah, yeah, because I agree toit.
I'm here to do the work.
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (33:42):
Oh, we're here to do the work.
Because when you live in thisconsciousness of recognizing
where those cycles, thosepatterns are coming in, it's
like you can see through thechaos.
SPEAKER_03 (33:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:56):
So tell me more about how that works for you in
your world.
SPEAKER_02 (34:01):
I think that's where they're um the sacred witness
comes in.
So, like with everything that'sgoing on on our worldly platform
right now, we can be, we caneither we have the choice.
We have the choice to dive inand be in the chaos of it,
emotionally attached, mentallyattached, financially, we speak
on it, which then whatever wespeak, the universe gives us.
(34:24):
So then, you know, if we'retalking scarcity, if we're
talking war, if we're talkingfamine, whatever, we will see
that in our world, in our life,in our personal world, right?
But if you can become thewitness of it and be the
balancer of offering love andcompassion to what's happening,
and in your world, you'reworking on that, and you're
(34:45):
talking about healing, you'retalking about um, you know,
abundance and and that the worlditself is wakening, that's what
you start to see.
That's the light that you areworking with.
Those are the archetypes you'reworking with.
That's the soul contract thatyou're working with.
So for me, I it's like I can Ican step back and not be
(35:06):
involved in the chaos because Ican see the other side of it.
And what is it gonna do?
How is I how am I gonna helpanyone if I'm so sucked into the
chaos that I can't help?
I can't help myself, can't helpnobody.
So then me, I'm like, come,let's let's gather, let's have a
circle, let's talk about things,let's do some healing work,
(35:26):
let's drum it out.
Whatever needs to show up,that's what shows up.
And then people show up in theirlight because you're giving a
platform for that versus theshadow when everyone wants to
and you gossip on it, and andthen you leave feeling so
freaking heavy, and you're like,fuck, what am I doing?
(35:47):
You know, life is heavy, andthen you carry that burden when
you actually can be the onethat's here to help Hilda and
transmute that energy, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:00):
It's it can be a lot walking through this world, and
I know I've said it before, butyou know, we didn't come to
Earth for a vacation.
We came for our soul agreements,we came for these contracts, we
came to learn these lessons, andthe world is shaped to kind of
poke at that so people will wakeup, right?
Like it's gotta be in theshadow, it's gotta be on the
(36:22):
dark side, it's gotta be on thisheavier end so that people can
bear witness to what how they'recontributing to it.
SPEAKER_02 (36:30):
Yes, 100%.
And right now, if you're lookingout there, there's millions of
people standing up, millions ofpeople gathering and and in
love, you know, because peoplewant change, people are ready
for change, and that's whatwe're here.
We're shifting it.
We're we are watching it, we'rehere to do it.
We're, you know, and so dependson what channel you tune into,
(36:54):
right?
Yeah, so pay attention.
So look for the lighter versionof what's going on out there
because the more you do that,the more you're gonna lift up
your own spirit and connect withothers.
SPEAKER_01 (37:07):
So yeah, yeah.
So we get to like step into thisplace of embracing what's
emerging within you becausethere is in that self-awareness
through all of it, you can beable to step in your full
embodiment of your power, ofyour passion, of your purpose,
of your mission, and reallystart acting that out.
(37:29):
And not everyone's missions areeasy, you know.
Like, I feel like there are somepeople who just like, oh yeah,
this is my mission, is isspreading the love and light,
and I'm just gonna stay like,and I'm just like, well, lucky
you can do your own life, right?
Like, I'm not gonna deny themtheir truth.
And I'm like, there's a lot ofpeople who come in with missions
(37:51):
to be to be the saboteur, to bethe these heavier, darker
archetypes, because they're theones who are waking up everyone
around them, so they're in aposition of self-sacrifice in a
in a timeline because by thembeing in their almost like their
nastiness, right?
(38:13):
Then everyone around them ishaving to create boundaries,
right?
So it's like sometimes,sometimes there's it, there's a
witnessing of my I can accept mylife and where I'm at with the
relationships that I have myworld, knowing that some of the
people in my life came here tochoose to be my teacher, and the
(38:34):
way they're teaching me isthrough their darkness, through
their for their antagonisticactions, through their shadow
side, and they're embodying itso damn well that I can on the
surface, I just want to, youknow, go to battle.
And then when I real realizewhat's going on and going, what
(38:54):
are they trying to teach mehere?
My I don't need a battle, I needboundaries, right?
SPEAKER_02 (38:59):
I don't need that is such, and that's it.
That's the biggest question iswhat are they trying to teach
me?
What is this person here toteach me?
What is this mirror?
We're all a reflection of eachother.
So it's like, what do you have?
Like if they're if you have envytowards someone, why?
Why do you feel that right?
It's because they you they havein themselves what you want in
(39:21):
yours, right?
Right.
So you have to look at it.
Like either you can use them asan inspiration and say, you
inspire me, and I want to, youknow, walk that kind of walk.
So I'm gonna go and build thatfor myself, or you can sit in
the shadow and have the envy ofit where you're you have that
evil eye and you're gonna bemore negative and you're gonna
shoot that negativity and you'renot gonna build it for yourself.
(39:43):
So it really is finding thebalance.
So when you have someone likeyou're saying, that's gonna be
narcissistic, or they they comein and you're they're
antagonizing you, is to wake youup and to force you into your
own triggers of why am I stillbeing triggered by this?
Yeah.
And that's an opportunity to dothe work for yourself and to be
able to close the chapter onthat, to release it, to close
(40:07):
the door and say that no longeraligns with me.
And I get to shift and pivot andmove this way in life now.
Yeah, change the timeline,collapse the old timelines.
And and when you we do that,yes, we are embodying and
embracing our highest version ofourselves, and we can continue
to grow from there.
SPEAKER_01 (40:27):
Yeah.
Okay, on that note, yeah, I knowthat you have got an amazing
upcoming masterclass, and it'snot like anything we've done
before because it's it's long.
I mean, it is it's long and it'son purpose.
Like I feel like to really graspall this information to really
(40:47):
deep dive on it so that you canreally utilize your archetypes
and transmute and and step intoyour fullness power.
We needed this length.
And I've I've I've edit somevideos and like prepared the
back end with Chantel.
And I'm like, this is gonna bedamn good.
So will you let our listenersknow like what you're doing,
(41:08):
what's what's what's coming up,when are we doing it, all the
things?
SPEAKER_02 (41:12):
So we're definitely um I'm offering an eight-week
class, master class that startsOctober 9th.
And so um we will meet once aweek, but you're gonna have all
your pre-recorded videos towatch.
And during this eight-weekcourse, we're gonna deep dive
into our soul contracts.
I'm gonna share my contract withyou.
(41:33):
You're gonna map your owncontract, um, and then we're
going to be able to understandwhy and how that happens.
And then we're gonna move intoour archetypes.
So, our four collectivearchetypes are the victim, the
saboteur, the prostitute, andthe child.
And we're gonna work with eachone of those for one full week.
(41:54):
So you're gonna have, you'regonna be observing it, you're
gonna witness it in yourself,you're gonna transmute it within
yourself, you're gonna integrateall of that, and you're gonna
stand in the power of its lightversion, which is the warrior,
the lover for the prostitute.
Um, so it's the warrior, themagician, the lover, and the
(42:14):
sovereign child.
So as we work through each oneof these, we're gonna go through
meditations to meet our journeyand journey to our guides.
So you can actually meet thevictim and yourself, and you're
gonna meet the magician andyourself.
So you can really um, this istangible work.
This is like live class inaction, happening in your world.
(42:36):
You're gonna work with them,you're gonna keep track of
everything that you've done.
There's homework, there's aworkbook, there's journey
prompts, there's all kinds ofstuff going on in it just so
that we can learn how to workwith ourselves.
SPEAKER_01 (42:50):
One of my favorite things with the schedule itself
is that there's a break overThanksgiving.
So it's like you learn all ofthis stuff, and it's like, now
go deal with family and see howit all shows up, and then we're
gonna meet the week.
SPEAKER_02 (43:01):
And that's totally on purpose.
So you get two weeks overThanksgiving to really
integrate.
And when you come back, it'sintegration, like we're doing
the work over that period.
So when you go to family, you'regonna have all these tools to
recognize yourself, yourtriggers, and your family
members and go, oh my gosh, Inever looked at us this way.
(43:23):
And then you can work with youand say, I can alchemize this,
set yourself up with it and besuccessful.
So you can sit at the table withyour family and not feel like
you're that 10-year-old or15-year-old kid with mom and
dad, right?
Now you get to be your adultversion.
SPEAKER_01 (43:43):
I just think it's like the craftiest way to put
this all together because whenyou have soul contracts, it's
with your family, right?
And so it's like everyone, likeyou will be able to see the
characters at Thanksgiving andgoing like, yeah, I know who
everyone is here, like I knowhow they're playing their part
and having that self-awareness.
(44:04):
It's just gonna be uh like tome, I'm like that that's just
gonna be a little mind-blowing.
Like, I just can't.
SPEAKER_02 (44:11):
I do, I love that because you might think you're
the most hilled person, but thenyou go hang out with family and
you go, dang.
Yeah, you're going to be like,I'm so wounded.
What's going on?
What happened?
Who am I?
And you leave thinking, like,what the heck just happened in
there?
How did I lose my shit?
SPEAKER_01 (44:27):
Right.
I know.
And it's like every holidayseason, we really try to put out
material that's like how to howto heal through the holidays or
how to stay in your yourauthentic truths during the
holidays.
Like we have all these likepodcasts and different things
that we do during the holidayseason.
It's like, but this is what theyneed, right?
Like a one-time podcast isn'tgonna do it.
(44:50):
This is what they need to reallybe able to go into the holiday
season feeling clear andconfident and knowing who they
are so they don't waver, right?
Like you might waver, but you'regonna be able to come right back
into alignment.
SPEAKER_02 (45:05):
Yeah.
So it is eight weeks long.
You get me for um 90 minutes totwo hours once a week, and then
we go through all of a QA.
We go through um thepresentation that you watch.
We, like I said, we do a guidedmeditation, a guided journey to
go up to the upper world and tomeet your archetypes.
(45:25):
Um, you're gonna map out yourown.
We're going to um chart your ownzodiac.
So your archetypical will, we'regonna chart four of them.
So you're gonna have four out ofyour 12 completed.
You're gonna see really whereyou are, and I'm gonna be there
to support you.
So, not only that, you're gonnabe supported, you're gonna have
your own chat in your own groupwith your cohort and all of
(45:47):
that.
So it's to me, it's an amazingway to do it.
And I don't know if there'sanyone else out there that's
doing it quite in the way thatI'm doing it.
No, I've taught this severaltimes now, and people walk away
like, dude, it's power, and it'schanging their lives.
And that's the thing, it changesyour life.
If you take this information andyou apply it, it's gonna change
(46:10):
you.
Right.
That's because it's coded in youto wake up to your archetypes.
SPEAKER_01 (46:15):
Yes, right, it's a remembering, yeah, it totally
is, and I think it's changed theway I perceive the world.
The more I get into it, the moreI want more.
The more I just want more.
I want more.
Like I read the books, I've donethe things, but now I'm like,
oh, but Chantel's course isgonna be so hot.
It's like I just I'm reallyexcited for it.
(46:36):
So we will get that informationout into all of the places and
spaces here short shortly.
If you're listening to thepodcast, you be sure to check
the show notes.
We're gonna have the informationto sign up there.
We start October 9th.
So there is a time to sign up.
This is gonna be a juicy, rich,enlivening, aligning, eight-week
(46:59):
masterclass.
So if you're interested and youhave questions, feel free to
reach out to Chantel.
She can answer your questionsover on Facebook Messenger.
You can email us over at mysticsat moonrisinginstitute.com.
We're here to support you.
We love you all.
We thank you so much for showingup, for listening, for doing the
work, for getting curious, forbringing what's in the
(47:20):
unconscious into the conscious,from recognizing what your
shadows are and loving all theaspects and parts of yourself.
Like we're here for all of it.
So thank you, thank you, thankyou so very much.
And until next time, may youawaken to the whispers of wisdom
rising from within.
Thanks, everyone.
SPEAKER_02 (47:36):
Thank you.
Bye, everyone.
SPEAKER_00 (47:42):
Thanks for tuning in to today's show.
The Wisdom Rising Podcast issponsored by Moonrising Shamanic
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