September 1, 2025 • 61 mins
We’ve all heard the mantras: “Raise your vibration.” “Think positive.” “Manifest your dream life.” But what if these well-meaning ideas are keeping you stuck?
In this raw and transformative episode, Christine Renee and Shantel Ochoa take you beyond surface-level spirituality and deep into shadow work—where real healing, embodiment, and manifestation begin.
Together, they unravel how the mainstream Law of Attraction movement often skips the necessary step of shadow integration—leading to spiritual bypassing, guilt, and frustration when "high vibes" fall short. Rooted in their own experiences and insights from Shamanic practices, they explore the truth: that your anger, grief, fear, and shame aren’t blocks—they're portals.
🌀 What you’ll discover in this episode:
- Why the Law of Attraction often fails without shadow work
- How toxic positivity leads to spiritual bypassing
- Shamanic perspectives on integrating the “shadow” self
- How your shadow holds the key to authentic manifestation
- The alchemy of turning pain into power
- Stories of spiritual awakening that began in the dark
- Conscious parenting & ancestral healing as spiritual pathways
- Creating relationships that witness, not judge, your wholeness
If you’ve been doing all the “right” spiritual things and still feel disconnected, this episode is a wake-up call—and an invitation to go deeper.
✨ It’s time to stop bypassing your truth and start walking the real path of transformation. Press play now, and remember to subscribe, share, and leave a review if this resonates.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.
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Each week we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy, healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and
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balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Welcome, welcome back toanother amazing episode here on
the Wisdom Rising podcast.
In today's show, you'll joinChristine Rene and Chantel Ochoa
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for their conversation onshadow work, law of attraction
and toxic positivity.
In today's episode, they'rereally diving into the myth of
positive energy and why thetrend of staying positive,
staying high vibe, may actuallybe doing more harm than good.
Along the way, they dive intotheir own experiences with
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shadow work and the importanceof doing that so that
manifestation, law of attractionetc.
Can become so much easier andmore aligned than when we're
trying to shove those darker orheavier parts of ourselves down.
They talk about the reality ofvibration, the importance of
non-judgment, consciousparenting and living a conscious
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life, and so much more.
So if you are tired of hearing,just stay positive, just stay
high vibe, raise your vibrationand your life will get better.
And you've tried that and feellike it worked for a time but
then stopped.
This episode is for you becausetoday we're diving into the
exact details of why it doesn'talways work and why.
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Doing the shadow work, whyacknowledging and witnessing the
heavier parts of ourselves, orthe wounded parts of ourselves,
is actually the work that'sgoing to allow us to alchemize
our energy and become thefullest expression of who we
were meant to be in thislifetime.
So if you enjoy today's episodeor you want to stay part of the
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conversation, don't forget tojoin us over in our Moon Rising
Shamanic Mystics Facebook group.
We're a community of over 4,500amazing individuals who are
walking this path rightalongside you, asking these
questions, doing the shadow work, diving in deep and
experiencing the magic of beingalive.
We also have our YouTubechannel where you can find the
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video companion to today'spodcast episode.
And, of course, don't forgetthat we are currently in open
enrollment for our Soul RisingShamanic Reiki course.
This is a four-month onlinecourse designed to help you walk
the shamanic path, embrace allof who you are, release your
past traumas and limitingbeliefs so that you can rise
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into the fullest and highestexpression of your soul's
potential.
Christine and Chantel sharemore about soul rising at the
end of today's episode, so besure to stay to the end if
you're curious about that.
But until then, we hope to seeyou in our Facebook group, and
don't forget to subscribe to thepodcast and share it with
everyone you know, so that wecan reach more spiritual seekers
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just like you.
With all of that said, let's goto the show.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Welcome, welcome back to our whispers of wisdom for
today.
Today's topic is something I'mreally excited about.
We're going to be talking abouthow positive vibes can be toxic
and how shadow work really isthe way towards our most
authentic versions of ourselves,and I'm just really excited for
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a deep dive on this topic thathas such polarity and contrast
of like, what do these each mean, and why was there such a wave
of positive vibes only, and whyis it that people are finally
figuring out wow, the real, truemagic is in the shadow.
Like I, I'm really lookingforward to playing in that space
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, of getting curious and reallydiving in deep, because I think
there's a lot of wisdom in this,and that's why we're here.
We're here to bring you some ofour whispers of wisdom.
So thanks for joining with me.
I've got Chantel Ochoa on withme this morning to dive into
this conversation, so welcome,welcome.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, this conversation for me is very much
like I think I've always workedin the shadow realm and when
the whole love and light came upand very positive, I can vibe
with that too.
But I see the importance ofwalking the shadow realm and
being in that journey withourself, because we need our
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shadow to come up, one as ourwarrior at times in our life,
but two, it's really where allof our trauma and everything is
held right.
So the moment we get triggered,it's how do we respond?
How do we react to it?
And so when we're working withit, to me this is when you
really truly see where theauthentic self is, for yourself
and in others.
You can always see wheresomeone is in their shadow by
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their triggers and theirresponses filling into the
vibration of their voice, howthey communicate, and so it's.
I don't think that we can be injust straight positivity all
the time.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Right?
Well, we're not.
I honestly don't think that'sbeing authentic to the full
human experience, like I justcan see, like my soul self,
before coming to this world.
And the question is, are youready to feel all of it, all of
the different emotions that thehumans have capacity to
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experience, all the sensationsthat humans have the capacity
experience, and having this fullvisceral yes, I want it all,
right.
And so that's the, that's theroller coaster ride of of the
ups and the downs and theexcitement and the terror and
the grief and the happiness andthe joy and the bliss, like it's
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all of it.
And so when you it's like, doyou know what it feels like, if
you can imagine that rollercoaster ride just being a swing
up and a swing down, right, andso you have this wave pattern,
if you're only available forthose, the highs, they're going
to be muted, they're not goingto actually be to their fullest
capacity, that fullness of blissor ecstasy, because it doesn't
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have that, that you neverexperienced, the deepest of the
low right.
And so sometimes that swing canbe too much, like we don't want
to swing all the way down intoa deep depressive state that we
can never get out of.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying, like, if wecan feel the full range of the
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humanness of our emotions, whatdoes that?
What does that mean?
And I feel too that oftentimesthat as humans, we're so
ingrained in our culture and oursociety to mute whatever we're
feeling, to suppress whateverwe're feeling, and so, if it's
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something heavy, let's takeanger, for example.
No one wants to be aroundsomeone who's angry, right, like
, that is our cultural norm.
Like to view someone in theiranger, to be in the presence of
that, to see in the workplace orwhatever it is.
There's definitely a culturalunacceptance of that emotion.
But what if there was like, wow,you're feeling your emotion,
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feel it all the way through,process it and let's move the
fuck on?
Right, like, there's, there's abit of like.
What if we were actually in themotion, processing the motion
so that we can move through itand and the the most efficient
and healthiest way possible?
Right, I think that's where youknow whether it's like we're
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also capping our highs.
Like if we're in our most stateof ecstasy and going, wow, I
can't really function andsociety blissed out all the time
because that's not sociallyacceptable, right, like, I think
there's the there's the same,there's like the two ends, and
it's not like, if we're inthat's in our fullness of who we
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are being really Like, if we'rein that, in our fullness of who
we are being really, trulyauthentic with our emotional
state, how it can one be oursuperpower and we can really
move energy through those valid,strong emotions, whatever they
may be, and how we're going tobe living our most authentic
truth of who we are, becausewe're not suppressing anything.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, exactly, and when we're able to feel it it
really is.
That is our superpower, right?
I don't think we need to beconstantly in those in our
shadow work or there comes apoint where you're like I'm not
available for that anymore.
You know, I'm tired of havingtoxic conversations.
But at the same time, we dohave to express our feelings and
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make like they are valid, right, and I love the swing of it
because it is it's like for me.
It's like I see it too as likethe pendulum.
And how does the pendulum swing?
Do you feel?
Extreme on one end and extremeon the other, right, and coming
somewhat to that center point?
So there is balance in between.
But we can have our highs andour bliss and then we can have
our shadow self.
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And to see that and say, okay,that is just as valid as being
happy and filling into joy,right, right, and knowing you
can't feel one without the other, and you also, it's like you
can't be happy and feeling likeyou're sad and depressed either.
So it's really matching upthose frequencies and having the
polarity like you're sad anddepressed either.
So it's really matching up thosefrequencies and having the
polarity like you're talkingabout and knowing that if I'm
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unpacking what I need to fromthe past, that is going to bring
me into a lighter version.
It's going to have be.
You're going to be happier, youknow, because you're removing
all of that heavy emotion fromyourself.
And then that's the nuggetsthat we're talking about to then
, whether you're in practice oryou're communicating with family
or however you're using thatknowledge, it's going to benefit
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you in conversations and yourrelationships, because you're
like, hey, I've been there, donethat.
Yeah, like this is where I'vebeen.
Maybe this is going to help you.
And if not, you know people aregoing to walk their walk
because that's what we got to do.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Right.
So, yeah, it's absolutely true,like when we can have those
those moments in our life thatdo feel heavy, that we have
processed, that offers us a lotof compassion and empathy for
others going through it Right.
And so I see a lot ofcompassion in my life with
people where they're at, and I Ifeel like too, it's like, just
because we're having a heavyemotion, where, where's the
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shadow in that?
Like?
I think there's a piece of theshadow work that we need to
really get, like I really wantto dig into and going what
aspect of myself, what part ofmyself, what archetype of myself
, like whatever language youwant to use around, that is a
version of me, a part of me whoneeds to be seen, witnessed,
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heard, expressed, honored andloved on Right, and I think that
that is what shadow work is.
So, even if we're feeling superfreaking heavy because we're
experiencing, let's say, grief,what part of myself is denying
that version?
Who's in their fullness oftheir grief?
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Right?
And how can we, our lightaspects of ourselves, meet our
shadow oh my God, my tongue, ohmy God, my tongue Aspects of
ourselves?
Right To really see and witnessand honor that version and let
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that version have their moment,because if they're really seeing
, heard, witnessed all of thethings, then she's going to, or
they're going to, come to a moresteady space.
They're not going to want totake, they're not going to come
and sit full center and sit onyour throne for very long, they
just want to be like yo, witnessme, hear me, see my version of
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what my life has experienced.
Look at all of this past, lookat all of this heaviness, and
once we allow that, thatwitnessing of it almost feels
like shining a light on theshadow of like, yeah, take the
freaking center stage, what doyou need to show me?
What do you need to teach me?
What do I need to hear rightnow?
And then, when they're they'veexhausted that energy, then
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they're fine, taking a seat backand being like cool, I was
heard, I was witnessed.
The parts of all of the otherparts of me has witnessed me,
and now I'm good now and I cantake that step back Right, and I
think that, like that littledance that we do internally, is
so important.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
It really it is and what's also is, when we don't
see that it spirals back againand again, and again and I know
that we talk about that here howis it showing up for you again,
and do you want to keep goingthrough those same experiences?
Because at some point it is somuch easier to do the dance and
do the walk and to witness andsee and everything all the
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aspects of ourself versus justletting the experiences keep
cycling back through andcreating chaos in our life.
Because shadow is all aboutchaos as well, and so we're not
giving it the attention it needsto ourself and doing that
self-care, self-nurturing andthe healing aspect of our shadow
self.
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It's just going to keep givingus the same experiences and then
there's no real lessons learned, because then it becomes the
why me and why does my lifealways show up like this?
Because you're not looking atthe part of you that needs to be
healed and to unpack all ofthat.
You're just cycling backthrough it again and the
universe is just going to keepshowing it to you and so, as
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that's coming forward, it's likebe aware of that.
The moment we have thatself-awareness, it becomes a
choice.
At that point You're choosingto go through those cycles.
You're choosing to hold on andrepack all that, or you have the
choice then to say I see you, Ican heal through this and I can
step into a stronger version ofourself.
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Because that's what ultimatelyoccurs.
You do your shadow work, yourise.
Then the happiness and the joycan come, and it's coming from
that authentic place of self.
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
What is just coming to mind is that I feel like all
of this real like high vibe,positive light only, versus you
know being authentic, being true, coming into a space of
honoring our fullness of ouremotions, the shadow, all of the
things.
That also is kind of the waycollective consciousness has
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come around in the last like 30years, and so I'm witnessing
this like there's a reason whythere was a good chunk of time,
good decade, in there.
That was like positive vibesonly really love and light only
Like I remember and I can see itin myself of like remember
writing my signature, love andlight, like, instead of
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sincerely, or like what I do nowis like ecstatically yours,
cause that's really my authentictruth, like I'm, I love living
life ecstatically Right.
And so we have this love andlight version of the spiritual
community and it really I feellike it came because of the
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secret, the movie, the secret,the book, the secret, the, the
when law of attraction reallycame to the forefront and really
starting to understand likefrequencies and energies and all
this stuff, and there's so muchvalidity to that.
And then there's also an andbut right, and I, and I just
noticed how there was that hugeswing of like okay, I'm just
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going to, you know, fake it tillI make it and I'm going to just
put on a happy smile and I'mjust going to fake it until I
make it and I'm going to justput on a happy smile and I'm
going to laugh through my lifeand I'm not going to give in to
any kind of negativity and I'mjust going to suppress all of
that and I'm going tospiritually bypass that.
And what happened wasn't thishuge shift in the world of
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positive vibes.
Only, no one is magicallymanifesting shit left and right
all of the time, because youcan't actually be in the full
vibration of love andauthenticity if you haven't met
your shadow right.
There is an alchemization thatneeds to occur to be able to
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really be.
Because here's the thing, likeif you say an affirmation, for
example, like money flows easilyand frequently to me like that
was, like super and that thatvery popular, and then people
were like, well, why isn't thisworking?
I'm like because there's partof you that's calling bullshit.
That part that's callingbullshit is your shadow aspect
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of yourself that needs to beseen, that needs to be heard,
that needs to get angry, thatneeds to show up in its grief of
its childhood where money wasso scarce.
We need to do the fullness ofthe work until you can come to a
point of like oh look, I don'tfeel like I need to call
bullshit anymore, because thatshadow aspect of me is has been
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fully seen and heard it I it'svalidated.
And now when I say money comesto me easily and frequently,
there's not a part, an aspect ofmyself that's calling BS.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, yeah, it totally does.
It totally does.
And so it's when we trust inourself, because there's that
trust, but because the work hasbeen done leading up to it.
There is no bullshit beingcalled.
It's like yeah, and that is.
I can claim that because I ownit in myself, I feel it and
trust it in myself because I'veworked through the scarcity, I
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worked through this or that orwhatever, and so I feel it too
is it's like the busting through.
We were in so many like darkeras prior to the secret coming
up that I think it's like wealso, as a collective, needed to
be lifted up, and it was likewe were going to go up on that
high now and see who catches it,and then see where we ride.
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And now we're on that downswingof where it's like okay, and now
we're back into our shadow self, and so it's the waves of the
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world and our collectiveconsciousness too, right.
But with our experience hereand what we're talking about is
doing the shadow work helps usto stay in that light and love
and helps us to stay in the highvibration because we've done
the work, we've walked throughthe shadows, we've risen from
the ashes, you know, we'respreading our wings.
We've become the phoenix and sothat is that part of it.
But it takes a lot of innerwork and awareness to say I got
this, I'm going to go do thatwork, and so it is.
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But I do see what you're sayingwith how that has shifted in
our society and everyone did runwith that.
Yeah, but I don't think peopleknew how to do the manifestation
in the beginning and now peopleare starting to learn.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
But it can be.
It's a tricky spot for sure fora lot of people.
We rode the wave and now inthat like more heavier space,
it's like we can get pissed offfor a good reason and purpose,
like if we're seeing injusticein the world, there's more
people who are willing to callit out.
We're not going to turn a blindeye as easily Like we're
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willing to get messy to makesure that we're showing up in
our, our more more authenticversion of who we are.
And because we have had thisgenerational switch of from you
know, generations past of likedon't speak unless spoken to and
don't be seen and not heard,like we had that like really
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like silencing of our, of our,of generations, of our, of our
of generations.
And now it's like because thereis more more parents out there
that are willing to emotionallyaccept their children the way
they are and be able to supportthem and their real needs and
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not just teach them how tosuppress their emotions, I feel
like we have new generationscoming forward, like even in my
parents.
My parents are like reallyyoung boomers, but they're still
boomers, right, and I was verymuch in a household that that
promoted conversations.
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I didn't get grounded.
We had conversations.
Yeah, it was sprinkled with allkinds of Catholic guilt, but
they were conversations and notlike authoritarian court, like
corporal punishment, right, likeI got a crying mom who would
make me feel guilty and then wewould talk about it for two
hours, about of our emotions andhave some type of after effect,
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right Like it was.
It was never, um, you crossthis boundary, go to your room.
We're not talking about likethat whole thing.
Like I think I feel like there'sa shift because now I'm raising
my kids differently.
I think there's definitely a uh.
I think with a lot of parentsnot all parents you definitely
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see that there there's still ahuge contrast in parenting but
there is definitely morepositive gentle parenting or
attachment theory, likescientifically a based
understanding of psychology andthe way we're raising our kids
that are is now more acceptedthan it was 20 years ago.
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That therapy is more acceptednow than it was 20 years ago.
Like there's a huge movementstoward self care, right, and so
it's like now if you say, hey, Ihave a therapist, it's not like
you're instantly getting shamedlike you would have 20, 30
years ago.
20, 30 years ago, if I said,yeah, I have a therapist people
would be oh, what's wrong withyou, right Versus?
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Now it's like oh, I'm seeingthis there's oh, I've seen this
one.
What are you focusing on?
I'm focusing on EMDR, like it'slike the conversation has
changed because doing the workis now acceptable.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Right and it's the uh restricted parenting versus
like conscious parenting.
And I know there's gentleparenting, um, personally, I
prefer more like consciousparenting because I feel like
with that you're really, um,you're seeing them from the
awareness of the level thatthey're at.
I think in gentle parentingsometimes it's letting them be a
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lot in their emotions, but Imean, that's not our
conversation.
But I do think that withconscious parenting, I watch my
daughter and I find it soamazing because she's really the
one that is breaking thegenerational trauma in my family
.
So it's like I start that withher but I brought in a lot
breaking the generational traumain my family.
So it was like I started thatwith her but I brought in a lot
of the parenting trauma that Ireceived from mine.
You know my mom was a gellerand you know there was just
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certain things that we had in myhousehold.
Right, conversation wasn'talways like a sit down for in my
household and but when I wasraising my kids, I started
integrating that, I startedbringing that in and it was like
let's have our conversations,even if it's like we're doing
our makeup and doing our hair,and we're having a conversation,
versus like a sit-down, seriousconversation.
It was more in flow and kind ofa light situation, but she is
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so powerful in it and I justwatch her with my granddaughters
and even yesterday I was onFaceTime with her and the
youngest one is trying to sit onthe toilet and eat her waffle.
And she's like no, you need togo over there, take your waffle
If you want to sit on the toiletbecause she was brushing her
teeth or whatever.
If you want to sit on thetoilet, then you need to go put
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your food out of the bathroom.
And she dropped down.
She's eye to eye with hertwo-year-old, she's explaining
it and then she's just.
And then she has the stern partof her like Ivy, no, give me
your waffle if you want to sitthere, or come over here by the
door and stand there.
And Ivy's like okay, she gaveher her two choices.
She went and stood by the doorand she ate her waffle and she
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was totally fine and moved onand I was like wow, I was so
impressed with her because as amom her mom I would have been
like go get out of there, takeyour waffle out of the bathroom.
And that isn't.
She is teaching me how this issuch a beautiful way of having
that parent-child relationshipand I'm just so impressed and
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it's like that is absolutely themovement I feel that we're
coming into as far as parentinggoes, because a lot of parents
are working through their shadowand they're seeing in their
little ones the pain that theyhad and that they went through,
and so now we can, as parents,as grandparents, step into that
role in a completely differentway and say my shadow self does
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not need to show up here.
I need to heal this part of meso I can help raise you in a way
that is more light, less trauma, less karma attached.
You know, like all those thingsdon't need to happen, but it's
because we ourselves are comingto a conscious level of
understanding what it means toraise little ones.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, absolutely.
I love that and I see thathappening for sure.
And so, yeah, I think there's acontinuation, there's a shift,
consciously, and I think,because there's so much
acceptance of doing the work,like it can be done, and I love
that we have programs like soulrising that is going to give you
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the structure of, like you'reready to do the work and you
don't know where to start, likelet's deep dive.
You're like I think there areso many opportunities to go.
How do I want to explore my ownshadows?
How do I want to explore mylimiting beliefs?
How do I want to explore theheaviness that I carry so that I
can remove what no longerserves me?
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Right, I think there's a lot ofpieces of our shadow that
serves us.
Right, there's a reason whythey right, there's so much that
they're.
They're there to to keep itreal, to allow you to to stay
safe and dangerous situationsLike there's a reason why
they've developed.
And how do we come to a place ofintegration that you're
accepting all of who you are, ofyour light and all of it Like
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that?
I think that's it.
How do we accept all of it,that you are not just a beaming
bright light of of you know,sparkly energy, like, yeah, it's
amazing when we can be, butthere's so, but we're more
dynamic than that.
We're meant to be more dynamicthan that.
And personally, it's like Ifeel like I have so much, uh,
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excitement around utilizing myemotions as my superpower.
Excitement around utilizing myemotions as my superpower Like I
feel like I have spent yearssuppressing, like certain
relationships in my life werevery much like don't express
your emotions because I can'thandle it Right.
Like it was the partner of me,like I can't handle you in your
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fullness of my emotions.
Like if I'm like right now Ifeel like I'm in my most
emotionally authentic phase I'veever been in and that means I
cry, probably on average fivetimes a week right, not that at
times you're like it's the time.
It just might, I just let it hitme when it hits me.
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Sometimes it's tears of joy,sometimes it's like tears of
frustration, sometimes it'stears of like sadness, like
whatever it is.
I want to feel what I feel whenI feel it right.
So like last night, for example.
I live in a co-housingcommunity.
Last night was my night tosupport making dinner for our
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community and we had 30 peoplesigning up, which is a huge
percentage of our community, andwe're making rice and dahl,
very simple meal.
And two of the members of mygoat club come in and was like
Christy, I know this is a badtime, but we need to talk to you
.
I'm like, yeah, simple meal,everything's set up.
What do you need to talk to meabout?
And they were like we wanted tolet you know that one of the
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goats died this afternoon andwhen, knowing that we have this
dinner tonight, when do you wantus to announce it?
And I sat with it for a momentbecause this is like.
I have taken care of the goatsnow for over four years and you
know, losing one of our animalsis always hard and heavy and I,
I just I came to the conclusionvery quickly that if we can eat
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together, we can grieve together, and so I wanted to have that
announcement sent as soon aspossible.
And then I was going to make alive announcement at the
beginning of dinner and it's,it's those moments of like here
I am announcing to the communityand, yeah, I've, I'm choking up
, I'm getting tears and allowingit to happen, allowing people
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to see that this is acceptableto be emotional about.
And there's definitely childrenin our community that they were
told so that they could move onwith their life.
And like, not necessarilyemotionally processed, my
daughter was devastated, right,she quietly ate her meal.
And then she, after she wasdone eating, and she was like,
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can I be excused?
I, I need to go hang out withsome of the neighbor's dogs so
that I can process.
And I'm like, so that I canprocess.
And I'm like, yeah, girl, go dowhat you need to do.
And like I am just love that,like she can be in the motion.
She was, she was shocked, she,she had emotions, she knew how
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she wanted to process.
And today she's like writing,she's doing artwork to process,
like all of those things.
It's just like if we're goingto be in our fullness, like when
something happens, let's feelit, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, feel it.
Feel it, yeah.
And for her to know what sheneeded at 11, 12 years old.
You know, for her to understandlike I'm feeling sad and I need
to go and take care of me inthis way, right, and you not say
no, you need to sit at thetable and wait for everyone to
be done, like back in the day,you know, going back to that
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because that is how it used tobe and you just say no, you need
to go do what you need to doand that allows her to go work
with what she needs to do withher grief, and that allows her
to go work with what she needsto do with her grief, fill all
her emotions and that's notgoing to create a shadow self,
right, right, because that'sreally how all these shadows
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show up.
Is when we're restricted andsuppressed by the adults or
those that we see as anauthority of us.
Is when we know what we need todo, at whatever age it is, and
then we're told no, know what weneed to do at whatever age it
is, and then we're told no.
And I'll have to say,throughout my entire life well,
into my adult life that has beena lot of my shadow work is
being told no, and I'm over herelike, uh-uh, I'm going to prove
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to you, yes, I'm going to proveto you that I can.
And so I've been running thatfor the majority of my life and
now I can be like so I've beenrunning that for the majority of
my life and now I can be like Idon't need to take your no, I
can go do my yes, whether youlike it or not, right, and prove
it and be okay with that.
This last week I actually hadsome conversations I had to have
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with some people and on theshadow self, it wanted to create
this big old story around it.
How was I going to have theseconversations?
How were they going to turn out?
Did I even want to?
Did I want to run and just belike, nope, I'm going to go do
this somewhere else, you know,kind of thing.
And in the moment when Iactually had them, it was really
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beautiful and I don't eventhink they even knew where I was
even coming from.
But just because I was authenticin how my approach was, one
teared up and was just like Ilove you and gave me hugs, and I
was like, oh, wow, that was atrip, because it was just like I
am so happy to hear your laugh,that was it that literally
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melted whatever there was thatwas brewing up, and it wasn't so
much between me and this person, it was what this person was
going through, and theboundaries went up and the walls
went up because they were goingthrough levels of grief.
And so instead of me being like, oh well, if you're going to
act like this, I'm going to actlike that, which is what our
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shadow self does, a reflectionof each other.
I was like, no, I am going tocome in on that lighter side.
So I was able to do that inthat one and really just healed
that, which was beautiful.
And then another conversation Ihad to have was very
interesting, was kind of thesame thing Competition, no.
And then, through my ownprocessing of it, I went to her
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and was like we don't need to,let's just collaborate it.
Oh, okay, even though you'redoing, you know, one version of
the ceremony and I'm doinganother, we can marry them, we
can combine them and collaborateit.
Our community doesn't need tochoose between one or the other.
And now that's what we're doing, but I have learned how to, in
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my shadow do that work ofprocessing?
Because the shadow work was mesitting at my house, reeling
through it of all the differentoutcomes that could have
happened and was I pissed, was Ithis, was I that?
And in the moment I was like,no, I don't want to be there.
I was good because I did mywork, but it took a few days,
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which is really what you knowwhen we work with ourself.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Your daughter is working with her grief, she's
hit with something she can gofill into that and go do her
work and come back and be like,okay, I've processed you know,
yeah Well, it's so funny because, before we jumped on this call,
I'm flipping through mynotebook and I have this note
here that some people try to dimyour light because your light
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exposes things hidden in theirshadows they don't want to see,
right?
I think this is where it comesto how we mirror in
relationships our lack ofwillingness to see our own
shadow relationships, our lackof willingness to see our own
shadow.
It's going to be reflected inour relationships because you're
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going to, you're going to meetthat energy, Right, and I I love
that your story really reflectsthat of like nope, I'm going to
sit with it, I'm going to workthrough my limiting beliefs or
my stories, my shadow showing upin this way, and then, when I
need to actually have theconversation, I'm able to do it
in such a way that invitesvulnerability.
(35:21):
I'm inviting a place to haveauthentic conversations.
I'm inviting a place to be real, because when we're real which
I believe that that authenticityis such a higher vibration than
even love, right, Like this iswhere that love and light you
know love and light only I'mlike there's a, there's even a
stronger version, and that'sgoing to be your authentic truth
(35:43):
.
And then that authentic truth.
You're.
You're saying look, I'm willingto speak my authentic truth,
and then the people that you'rein relation with relationship
with are going to show up moreavailable to be in their
authentic truth.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Right, yeah, yeah, exactly, you know.
And the thing when I sat withit, I realized that what was
coming up was that inner childof not feeling accepted by the
group.
And in the end I realized, whenI did the work and had the
conversations, I've always beenaccepted.
It was my own fear, my own BSin my own head that was creating
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something that wasn't eventhere and they were possibly
feeling the exact same thing Iwas feeling.
So me coming forward, just lettheir inner child realize that
they were accepted as well.
Right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Hello, do the work.
It's so good, it's so worth it.
Like, it's so interesting, likeright now I have.
I've been working through alimiting belief of like, fear of
rejection, fear of judgment,right Of like I am invited to do
this activity and I'm worriedthat I'm going to be like my
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inner child has just completelybeen freaking out for a couple
of months and like I'm not doingit, there's no way I'm going to
do that.
I'm not going to be seen thatway, like et cetera, et cetera.
And so we're teaching thismasterclass, Isabel and myself.
And last week Isabel led usthrough a coaching journey
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experience on looking at ourlimiting beliefs and why we have
them and really understandingwhere are they coming from and
what's the benefit of holdingonto this limiting belief to the
point where you go through thisexercise and this is something
that we include in our soulrising program as well, because
we are all about diving into theshadow work and figuring out
(37:39):
your limiting beliefs.
Then I got to the end because Iwas I was participating like a
student.
I was like oh my God, it's allfalse, it's all false.
And as soon as I could see itas false, then I could stop with
my self-sabotaging behavior.
Then I could start going, oh, Ican do that thing, because now
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that what was that comfort zoneedge is now pushed way out,
because I believe that I'm goingto be fully accepted, loved and
embraced by doing this activity, even if I mess it up, because
there's no such thing as failurein this activity, right?
So how could I be judged, howcould I be shamed, how could I
be by this other person Ifthat's not how they have ever
(38:25):
shown up in my life like they're?
Of course they're not going to,right.
And so I was able to kind ofutilize this exercise and that's
what we can come back again andagain and again.
Like I taught Isabel thisexercise like five years ago,
right, and now she's this one ofher favorite coaching
modalities of reallyunderstanding our limiting
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beliefs and she loves workingthrough it.
And so when we were trying todecide who was going to teach
this in class last week, I waslike, oh, you know, I haven't
really done the exercise inprobably a few years.
She's like, oh, my God, it'sone of my favorites.
I'm like, well, you lead that.
Then, like you, you go, shineyour light, you do it, I'll
participate.
And it was it.
(39:10):
The class went amazing.
It was such in flow and Ireally benefited from taking a
step back and those moments andjust being a participant and
working my way through it andgoing, oh my gosh, I got this
Right and I just I love too thatthat's even as co-facilitators,
as co-teachers, because we're ateam.
We get to play in that space ofhey, if I I'm really good and
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solid in this modality and like,are you comfortable in that?
Like we're checking to see isyour shadow side being triggered
?
If I take the lead on thisRight, like there's some of that
going on and going, where can Ishow up so authentically of
going you know what?
I can see that part of myselfand I can also see why, like
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this is going to be better ifyou do it.
Like all of that is happeningbecause we're so aware as a team
and willing to talk about it.
Right, I think that so oftenthat you have groups and
communities that aren't reallywilling to to feel their
emotions and going there anddoing little self-checks, like
(40:19):
is there anything beingtriggered by this?
Is there anything beingactivated?
How am I feeling with this idea?
And then going and then comingand having conversations and
coming to a conclusion that'sgoing to feel good for everyone,
right?
Like, just like you did, likeyou came to your, your partner.
You were being vulnerable, youwere being authentic and you
came to like, oh, we should becollaborating.
It sounds like what if?
(40:41):
What if there was no fear ofcompetition, that fear of
scarcity, and we all just showup in collaboration with one
another, often, right?
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, that was exactly it.
It's like why are we trying toseparate two events in one night
that actually work together?
That made you know, made nosense to me, because you have a
little bit of a differentapproach than I do.
That's okay.
Let the community have bothsides with, like co-workers and
stuff.
I think that's why there's somuch toxicity is because there
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aren't open conversations towork things out.
It's everyone just suppressesand suppresses and then they
feel like they're showing up andhaving to put a mask on and
that's the shadow.
Then they go home and they'reangry at home and they're angry
(41:32):
with their family and they takeit out in the home place because
work is so stressful and it'slike no, do the work in the
moment.
So when you go home, you're notunloading and doing this
toxicity in the house, right?
You're not doing your purgingthere, and so it really is
coming to self.
I saw a comment the other dayand I thought it was so great
(41:55):
and I said I need to stopexpecting myself and others and
I thought, oh, my gosh.
And for me what that meant waswe expect others to see
everything from our lens, ourperspective, right, that one
point of view, and it's like no,everybody has their own
perspective of it.
(42:15):
You know, if we're all lookingat one thing and we're standing
in a circle, none of us aregoing to see that one object
from the same point of view.
And that's the same thing withsituations and conversations
Everybody is interpreting itfrom their lens of scope, and so
when we can come to aconversation, realizing they
probably are not seeing itexactly like you, are that right
(42:38):
, there is a touch ground tostart a conversation.
You know like, okay, are youseeing it this way, because this
is the way I mean it, and howare you seeing it versus my
expression of it?
Yeah, right, and just lettingit open up from there, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I, um, I'm really enjoying conversations that
where you can show up in yourdesire, show up in your fear,
show up in your boundaries, showup in these authentic
conversations, because when youeach have a chance to fully
communicate well, we're going togo into really some deep places
where it's going to have apositive benefit because we can
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see it's like that third eyespace of perception how are we
perceiving the world, how are weperceiving this person?
And really taking theperception of and shining the
light on yourself, like, whereis it in me that feels like I'm
holding myself back?
Where does it feel?
What are the emotions I'mfeeling?
What?
How is this making like andgoing through it?
And I think it's so importantand I just absolutely love the
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container that we create and sorising because everyone feels
that it's a container.
It's a container to fullyexpress and be validated and
whatever their experience is andso I, even those first few
classes on how to shamanicjourney, everyone's having a
very different experience, right, everyone's having a.
(44:02):
Some people are like ease andflow, they're seeing, feeling
things, and others it's justlike still a blank slate and
going all of it's okay, all ofit's okay.
Whatever emotions are coming upfrom this.
It's working or not, workingplace is okay and we're creating
this foundation of safety, oflike, feel whatever it feels
(44:23):
like to feel like a fraud, tofeel like insecure, to feel
amazing and happy that it'sworking for you, whatever that
emotion is, show up in it,working for you.
Like, whatever that emotion islike, show up in it.
And this is such a place whereeverything is okay and you're
going to have a mentor, afacilitator, in that space to
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give you the space that you needto fully express yourself and
keep the class on track and keepmoving forward Right Like.
There's this beautiful balancethat, as facilitators, that we
learn to play with, to like,yeah, we want to make sure you
have your voice and if, if,there's more needed in that, we
have so many resources.
(45:05):
We have so many resources inthat.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Just love it it's.
It's a beautiful place to havea really strong container to
step out of your comfort zone,and so that's it.
It's like we get so comfortablein our places in life, right,
what our status is, what ouremotional balance is, whatever
it is so we get so comfortablethat when the stretch and
(45:29):
challenge comes and it invokesthat shadow self and we're like
I don't know what to do withthis.
And it invokes that shadow selfand we're like I don't know
what to do with this, that it'slike you've got to look it in
the eye and say I see you andI'm ready to do this work.
And it can be a really scaryplace for people when they are
just trying to live a very loveand light kind of experience,
(45:49):
and I think that we come fromthat.
So here in this, this is thedivality, the polarity of it.
We are here to work with theshadow.
We're here to work through allof the things that have come
through in this lifetime pastlifetimes, all of it
relationships and conversationsthat it's okay to step out of
our comfort zone and do what weneed to do so that we can feel
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comfortable in all the areas ofour life instead of feeling like
every little thing is going totrigger me, Like how exhausting
that feels when you're so stuckin your shadow that you feel
like every single conversationis going to invoke some kind of
trigger in you that you can'thandle.
And then you're just like, ah,ah, all the time it's like no, I
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want to embrace this.
And even with myself it's likeI was having a conversation
earlier, before this, and I'mlike I don't have time for this
conversation right now, but Ican have it later.
So I put it on the shelf for aminute and I said I'll come back
to it, and it wasn't a negativeconversation, but it's just
trying to see the viewpointsfrom both sides.
Let me come back to that andnow I can go and process it and
(46:58):
then show up and different.
But I'm like my shadow seesyour shadow.
In the end, that's what I'mgetting out of our conversation
right now is my shadow is seeinghis shadow, and so instead of
being like I see you, let's justwork through this.
It's that butting of heads.
Okay, well, let's step back fora second.
(47:18):
You do your shadow work, I'lldo mine, and we'll come back and
figure out what we both learnedfrom it.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah, well, and I think, what if the world was
like that?
Right, like that's what I'mtalking about.
Like the highest vibe, the mostauthentic version?
That's what I'm talking about,like the highest vibe, the most
authentic version.
What if those were ourconversations on the regular?
Of going, wow, I recognize thatmy inner child is being
triggered this way when you showup like this and my desire is
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to have this type of experience,and these are my fears and this
is my boundaries Like I want totalk about this for a half an
hour and then I'm probably goingto need a break.
Like, whatever your boundary is, and being able to fully
communicate, that Like.
I think this is why havingthese experiences of coming to a
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place where we can more fullycommunicate, more fully, being
able to be in relationship right, relationship with ourself and
right, relationship with othersRight.
But it all has to start within.
If we can't, if we can't lookwithin, we can't look and
recognize what's happening inother people.
(48:28):
We have to start with ourself-work, ourself digging into
what's going on there.
And if we've spent so much ofour life refusing to look at
those parts of ourself, then howare we ever going to have the
relationships that we trulydesire and want to attract.
Right Like I had someone in mycommunity.
(48:50):
Right Like, basically, to thepoint of I'm never going to find
my perfect partner, I'm nevergoing to find my soulmate,
because everything I attract isso messed up and I'm like
timeout, timeout.
Become your own lover, becomeyour own soulmate.
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Love yourself so much that youlove all of you so that you
don't reduce your standards andattract something that's not
worthy of your time andattention.
Right Like there's so much workthat we can do for ourselves.
And loving all of our pieces.
Loving our shadow how can weexpect someone else to love our
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shadow if we can't love ourshadow?
Right, and so when we startdoing the deep dive in the work
of recognizing our limitingbeliefs and where they came from
, recognizing where our shadowsand what they're trying to
communicate and how they want toshow up and how they want to be
seen and what their message isfor us, and loving on it anyway,
that's when we are going toattract, we're going to manifest
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, we're going to show up in theworld of like this is who I am
in my self-worth, myself-respect, my self-love.
And if the relationships in mylife can't reflect that back.
I'm not available for it, right?
And so that is what we'reconsistently trying to help
support our students in, right?
(50:16):
Is that?
How can we develop thatfullness of my self-love,
self-respect and self-worth?
And so often we haven't spentenough time in that area.
And I was just teaching a chakraactivation day retreat on
Saturday locally and I keptgoing back to this is why the
lower three are so important andthis is why our spiritual
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community often bypasses them.
All of our stuff.
First, three chakras yes, yeah,right, it's got.
We have to focus on these.
Like, there's so much likelet's develop our clairvoyance,
let's talk to our past lives,let's do these really.
Crown chakra, third eye chakra,standpoint, and I'm like and
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how messy is it going to get Ifyou don't know which, where your
shadow is showing up in all ofthat?
Speaker 3 (51:07):
Yeah, it is so important.
I had a similar conversationthis weekend too, during level
one.
I had a similar conversationthis weekend too, during level
one, and so in the class portionwe spoke about that and then
when we did, I did theattunement.
So I had four students andthree of them came out like, oh,
my gosh, amazing.
And then the third, the fourthone came out with, oh, I saw all
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kinds of like dark things andall this stuff, right, well,
interesting, and my vision.
I saw that.
So I knew somebody in the groupwas having some really heavy
transmutating, like they weretransmuting energy, and so I
told her I said don't worryabout it, you're unpacking what
needs to be unpacked so thatthis energy can regulate within
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your system.
Right, so she went home thismorning I woke up to a text from
her saying I almost called youtoday to tell you how sad I was
that that was my experienceversus everyone else's
experience.
But last night when she went tobed, she had the energy come
through.
So she said she heard somenoise and then she felt like she
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needed to roll over.
And once she rolled over, shefelt that she saw this light
come through all of her chakrasand it moved and she had her
like a kundalini awakening andall this stuff started happening
for her and it was like, yes,because you sat in your shadow
work, you sat in the darkness ofthat and you released it.
And when you released it, itlet everything else come through
(52:34):
you.
And so now she's in a wholedifferent state of mind.
But it's like yeah, and I toldher and I said, and this is just
the beginning, so how wonderfulis that?
But she is introduced to herdarkest, deepest self through
her transition into the lightversion of her.
Now she really gets to beembodied in that and it's like
(52:56):
congratulations.
And I always tell people whenthey come to me and they're in
the middle of their awakening,and I'm like congratulations.
And they're like what?
Because to them it's so heavy.
And I'm like, yeah, but look atwhat the work you're doing
right now and look what you'rebeing introduced to right, like
you wouldn't be coming here ifyou weren't ready for change and
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healing and transformation.
And it's the shadow that pushesus that way.
It's not the love and lightversion of us that makes us go
do the healing and the deep,radical healing.
It is the shadow that's got thefoot on the ass going.
Go do this work.
Go figure out who you are.
And when you figure out who youare, you can be in balance and
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you can show up and be able tosupport others and theirs.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yes, I had a similar experience with a person who
just listened to our new freebie.
So, if you haven't seen this,we're offering a free two-part
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(54:04):
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And the first one is to meetyour power animal.
And she journeyed and was inprimal screaming and just hurt
like lots of darkness.
And I'm like, and now she hasthis opportunity to come back
and be like what was that about?
Let's talk about that.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, let'sdo a little support, a little
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mentorship, because there's somuch there.
That is a invitation to go indeeper and explore.
Why is my subconscious showingup this way?
Right, and so know that ifwe'll put it in the show notes,
but if you have not seen thatfreebie that we have, I am
really trying to get it out toeveryone, everyone who's
(54:49):
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So I messaging folks, I'mputting it on Facebook posts
because it is brilliant and youknow, I, um, I watched the
webinar myself and it's it'sboth Isabel and Chantel offering
the webinar series, and Isabelis so beautiful in her
explanations and calling indirections and then Chantel does
(55:12):
the guided meditation.
I was like this is fuckingbrilliant, like this is such a
good presentation.
I was like so excited andfilled with joy that this is
what we're giving out, like thisis some of our most beautiful
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because it is brilliant, it islovely and you are going to
(55:34):
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You're going to feel not onlythe way we explain and teach and
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And if it doesn't work thefirst time, that's okay.
You can listen to it again andagain and and have a different
experience every time you comeback to it with new, fresh eyes.
(55:57):
And so it's also something thatreally, if you love the way it
flows and the way we present andthe way we facilitate, know
that this is like a reallylovely taste of what you're
going to see inside ourfour-month program, soul Rising.
And really it's closer to fivemonths container, because we
(56:18):
take breaks for winter break andwe take breaks for Thanksgiving
and we really are totally in itwith you guys and I'm just so
excited to share the freebie.
I'm so excited for soul risingand start.
We start on September 14th andI'm just going to cover a couple
of my most frequently askedquestions, because I get them
all the time.
(56:38):
It's a three to four hourcommitment a week.
It has both live calls,pre-recorded lessons, guided
meditations, activating actions.
We have a companion workbook.
We're really trying to allowyou to get all of the possible
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So, juha, just a minute ago Isaid the three are so important.
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Speaker 3 (58:57):
No, I think that was beautifully said.
I was like, wow, look at you.
That was great.
I'm so excited it is.
And I just feel like, yes, comesee us on the inside, because
there's so much medicine in SoulRising that there's magic and
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we are our own master.
Right, and we do need mentorsin our life at points.
But then there comes a pointwhere, yeah, you can go to your
own self-sourced wisdom and yourteam and say, okay, what do we
need to do here and now?
And that's exactly what it is.
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It's a beautiful foundation tohelp you grow within yourself
and to elevate and do all of thework.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yes, yeah, and so if you are like I'm interested, I
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Know that we develop thecalendar based on your
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So, with all of that said, Ilove you, I adore you.
I'm so proud of you for doingthe shadow work, I'm so proud of
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It's time to remember your divine purpose and
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Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
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Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
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Welcome, welcome back toanother amazing episode here on
the Wisdom Rising podcast.
In today's show, you'll joinChristine Rene and Chantel Ochoa
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for their conversation onshadow work, law of attraction
and toxic positivity.
In today's episode, they'rereally diving into the myth of
positive energy and why thetrend of staying positive,
staying high vibe, may actuallybe doing more harm than good.
Along the way, they dive intotheir own experiences with
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shadow work and the importanceof doing that so that
manifestation, law of attractionetc.
Can become so much easier andmore aligned than when we're
trying to shove those darker orheavier parts of ourselves down.
They talk about the reality ofvibration, the importance of
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is actually the work that'sgoing to allow us to alchemize
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just like you.
With all of that said, let's goto the show.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Welcome, welcome back to our whispers of wisdom for
today.
Today's topic is something I'mreally excited about.
We're going to be talking abouthow positive vibes can be toxic
and how shadow work really isthe way towards our most
authentic versions of ourselves,and I'm just really excited for
(04:06):
a deep dive on this topic thathas such polarity and contrast
of like, what do these each mean, and why was there such a wave
of positive vibes only, and whyis it that people are finally
figuring out wow, the real, truemagic is in the shadow.
Like I, I'm really lookingforward to playing in that space
(04:30):
, of getting curious and reallydiving in deep, because I think
there's a lot of wisdom in this,and that's why we're here.
We're here to bring you some ofour whispers of wisdom.
So thanks for joining with me.
I've got Chantel Ochoa on withme this morning to dive into
this conversation, so welcome,welcome.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, this conversation for me is very much
like I think I've always workedin the shadow realm and when
the whole love and light came upand very positive, I can vibe
with that too.
But I see the importance ofwalking the shadow realm and
being in that journey withourself, because we need our
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shadow to come up, one as ourwarrior at times in our life,
but two, it's really where allof our trauma and everything is
held right.
So the moment we get triggered,it's how do we respond?
How do we react to it?
And so when we're working withit, to me this is when you
really truly see where theauthentic self is, for yourself
and in others.
You can always see wheresomeone is in their shadow by
(05:37):
their triggers and theirresponses filling into the
vibration of their voice, howthey communicate, and so it's.
I don't think that we can be injust straight positivity all
the time.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Right?
Well, we're not.
I honestly don't think that'sbeing authentic to the full
human experience, like I justcan see, like my soul self,
before coming to this world.
And the question is, are youready to feel all of it, all of
the different emotions that thehumans have capacity to
(06:10):
experience, all the sensationsthat humans have the capacity
experience, and having this fullvisceral yes, I want it all,
right.
And so that's the, that's theroller coaster ride of of the
ups and the downs and theexcitement and the terror and
the grief and the happiness andthe joy and the bliss, like it's
(06:32):
all of it.
And so when you it's like, doyou know what it feels like, if
you can imagine that rollercoaster ride just being a swing
up and a swing down, right, andso you have this wave pattern,
if you're only available forthose, the highs, they're going
to be muted, they're not goingto actually be to their fullest
capacity, that fullness of blissor ecstasy, because it doesn't
(06:56):
have that, that you neverexperienced, the deepest of the
low right.
And so sometimes that swing canbe too much, like we don't want
to swing all the way down intoa deep depressive state that we
can never get out of.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying, like, if wecan feel the full range of the
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humanness of our emotions, whatdoes that?
What does that mean?
And I feel too that oftentimesthat as humans, we're so
ingrained in our culture and oursociety to mute whatever we're
feeling, to suppress whateverwe're feeling, and so, if it's
(07:38):
something heavy, let's takeanger, for example.
No one wants to be aroundsomeone who's angry, right, like
, that is our cultural norm.
Like to view someone in theiranger, to be in the presence of
that, to see in the workplace orwhatever it is.
There's definitely a culturalunacceptance of that emotion.
But what if there was like, wow,you're feeling your emotion,
(08:01):
feel it all the way through,process it and let's move the
fuck on?
Right, like, there's, there's abit of like.
What if we were actually in themotion, processing the motion
so that we can move through itand and the the most efficient
and healthiest way possible?
Right, I think that's where youknow whether it's like we're
(08:22):
also capping our highs.
Like if we're in our most stateof ecstasy and going, wow, I
can't really function andsociety blissed out all the time
because that's not sociallyacceptable, right, like, I think
there's the there's the same,there's like the two ends, and
it's not like, if we're inthat's in our fullness of who we
(08:44):
are being really Like, if we'rein that, in our fullness of who
we are being really, trulyauthentic with our emotional
state, how it can one be oursuperpower and we can really
move energy through those valid,strong emotions, whatever they
may be, and how we're going tobe living our most authentic
truth of who we are, becausewe're not suppressing anything.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, exactly, and when we're able to feel it it
really is.
That is our superpower, right?
I don't think we need to beconstantly in those in our
shadow work or there comes apoint where you're like I'm not
available for that anymore.
You know, I'm tired of havingtoxic conversations.
But at the same time, we dohave to express our feelings and
(09:25):
make like they are valid, right, and I love the swing of it
because it is it's like for me.
It's like I see it too as likethe pendulum.
And how does the pendulum swing?
Do you feel?
Extreme on one end and extremeon the other, right, and coming
somewhat to that center point?
So there is balance in between.
But we can have our highs andour bliss and then we can have
our shadow self.
(09:46):
And to see that and say, okay,that is just as valid as being
happy and filling into joy,right, right, and knowing you
can't feel one without the other, and you also, it's like you
can't be happy and feeling likeyou're sad and depressed either.
So it's really matching upthose frequencies and having the
polarity like you're sad anddepressed either.
So it's really matching up thosefrequencies and having the
polarity like you're talkingabout and knowing that if I'm
(10:09):
unpacking what I need to fromthe past, that is going to bring
me into a lighter version.
It's going to have be.
You're going to be happier, youknow, because you're removing
all of that heavy emotion fromyourself.
And then that's the nuggetsthat we're talking about to then
, whether you're in practice oryou're communicating with family
or however you're using thatknowledge, it's going to benefit
(10:30):
you in conversations and yourrelationships, because you're
like, hey, I've been there, donethat.
Yeah, like this is where I'vebeen.
Maybe this is going to help you.
And if not, you know people aregoing to walk their walk
because that's what we got to do.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Right.
So, yeah, it's absolutely true,like when we can have those
those moments in our life thatdo feel heavy, that we have
processed, that offers us a lotof compassion and empathy for
others going through it Right.
And so I see a lot ofcompassion in my life with
people where they're at, and I Ifeel like too, it's like, just
because we're having a heavyemotion, where, where's the
(11:11):
shadow in that?
Like?
I think there's a piece of theshadow work that we need to
really get, like I really wantto dig into and going what
aspect of myself, what part ofmyself, what archetype of myself
, like whatever language youwant to use around, that is a
version of me, a part of me whoneeds to be seen, witnessed,
(11:33):
heard, expressed, honored andloved on Right, and I think that
that is what shadow work is.
So, even if we're feeling superfreaking heavy because we're
experiencing, let's say, grief,what part of myself is denying
that version?
Who's in their fullness oftheir grief?
(11:54):
Right?
And how can we, our lightaspects of ourselves, meet our
shadow oh my God, my tongue, ohmy God, my tongue Aspects of
ourselves?
Right To really see and witnessand honor that version and let
(12:14):
that version have their moment,because if they're really seeing
, heard, witnessed all of thethings, then she's going to, or
they're going to, come to a moresteady space.
They're not going to want totake, they're not going to come
and sit full center and sit onyour throne for very long, they
just want to be like yo, witnessme, hear me, see my version of
(12:38):
what my life has experienced.
Look at all of this past, lookat all of this heaviness, and
once we allow that, thatwitnessing of it almost feels
like shining a light on theshadow of like, yeah, take the
freaking center stage, what doyou need to show me?
What do you need to teach me?
What do I need to hear rightnow?
And then, when they're they'veexhausted that energy, then
(13:02):
they're fine, taking a seat backand being like cool, I was
heard, I was witnessed.
The parts of all of the otherparts of me has witnessed me,
and now I'm good now and I cantake that step back Right, and I
think that, like that littledance that we do internally, is
so important.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
It really it is and what's also is, when we don't
see that it spirals back againand again, and again and I know
that we talk about that here howis it showing up for you again,
and do you want to keep goingthrough those same experiences?
Because at some point it is somuch easier to do the dance and
do the walk and to witness andsee and everything all the
(13:42):
aspects of ourself versus justletting the experiences keep
cycling back through andcreating chaos in our life.
Because shadow is all aboutchaos as well, and so we're not
giving it the attention it needsto ourself and doing that
self-care, self-nurturing andthe healing aspect of our shadow
self.
(14:02):
It's just going to keep givingus the same experiences and then
there's no real lessons learned, because then it becomes the
why me and why does my lifealways show up like this?
Because you're not looking atthe part of you that needs to be
healed and to unpack all ofthat.
You're just cycling backthrough it again and the
universe is just going to keepshowing it to you and so, as
(14:23):
that's coming forward, it's likebe aware of that.
The moment we have thatself-awareness, it becomes a
choice.
At that point You're choosingto go through those cycles.
You're choosing to hold on andrepack all that, or you have the
choice then to say I see you, Ican heal through this and I can
step into a stronger version ofourself.
(14:44):
Because that's what ultimatelyoccurs.
You do your shadow work, yourise.
Then the happiness and the joycan come, and it's coming from
that authentic place of self.
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
What is just coming to mind is that I feel like all
of this real like high vibe,positive light only, versus you
know being authentic, being true, coming into a space of
honoring our fullness of ouremotions, the shadow, all of the
things.
That also is kind of the waycollective consciousness has
(15:15):
come around in the last like 30years, and so I'm witnessing
this like there's a reason whythere was a good chunk of time,
good decade, in there.
That was like positive vibesonly really love and light only
Like I remember and I can see itin myself of like remember
writing my signature, love andlight, like, instead of
(15:36):
sincerely, or like what I do nowis like ecstatically yours,
cause that's really my authentictruth, like I'm, I love living
life ecstatically Right.
And so we have this love andlight version of the spiritual
community and it really I feellike it came because of the
(15:57):
secret, the movie, the secret,the book, the secret, the, the
when law of attraction reallycame to the forefront and really
starting to understand likefrequencies and energies and all
this stuff, and there's so muchvalidity to that.
And then there's also an andbut right, and I, and I just
noticed how there was that hugeswing of like okay, I'm just
(16:20):
going to, you know, fake it tillI make it and I'm going to just
put on a happy smile and I'mjust going to fake it until I
make it and I'm going to justput on a happy smile and I'm
going to laugh through my lifeand I'm not going to give in to
any kind of negativity and I'mjust going to suppress all of
that and I'm going tospiritually bypass that.
And what happened wasn't thishuge shift in the world of
(16:41):
positive vibes.
Only, no one is magicallymanifesting shit left and right
all of the time, because youcan't actually be in the full
vibration of love andauthenticity if you haven't met
your shadow right.
There is an alchemization thatneeds to occur to be able to
(17:05):
really be.
Because here's the thing, likeif you say an affirmation, for
example, like money flows easilyand frequently to me like that
was, like super and that thatvery popular, and then people
were like, well, why isn't thisworking?
I'm like because there's partof you that's calling bullshit.
That part that's callingbullshit is your shadow aspect
(17:28):
of yourself that needs to beseen, that needs to be heard,
that needs to get angry, thatneeds to show up in its grief of
its childhood where money wasso scarce.
We need to do the fullness ofthe work until you can come to a
point of like oh look, I don'tfeel like I need to call
bullshit anymore, because thatshadow aspect of me is has been
(17:50):
fully seen and heard it I it'svalidated.
And now when I say money comesto me easily and frequently,
there's not a part, an aspect ofmyself that's calling BS.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, yeah, it totally does.
It totally does.
And so it's when we trust inourself, because there's that
trust, but because the work hasbeen done leading up to it.
There is no bullshit beingcalled.
It's like yeah, and that is.
I can claim that because I ownit in myself, I feel it and
trust it in myself because I'veworked through the scarcity, I
(18:23):
worked through this or that orwhatever, and so I feel it too
is it's like the busting through.
We were in so many like darkeras prior to the secret coming
up that I think it's like wealso, as a collective, needed to
be lifted up, and it was likewe were going to go up on that
high now and see who catches it,and then see where we ride.
(18:45):
And now we're on that downswingof where it's like okay, and now
we're back into our shadow self, and so it's the waves of the
(19:05):
world and our collectiveconsciousness too, right.
But with our experience hereand what we're talking about is
doing the shadow work helps usto stay in that light and love
and helps us to stay in the highvibration because we've done
the work, we've walked throughthe shadows, we've risen from
the ashes, you know, we'respreading our wings.
We've become the phoenix and sothat is that part of it.
But it takes a lot of innerwork and awareness to say I got
this, I'm going to go do thatwork, and so it is.
(19:26):
But I do see what you're sayingwith how that has shifted in
our society and everyone did runwith that.
Yeah, but I don't think peopleknew how to do the manifestation
in the beginning and now peopleare starting to learn.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
But it can be.
It's a tricky spot for sure fora lot of people.
We rode the wave and now inthat like more heavier space,
it's like we can get pissed offfor a good reason and purpose,
like if we're seeing injusticein the world, there's more
people who are willing to callit out.
We're not going to turn a blindeye as easily Like we're
(20:16):
willing to get messy to makesure that we're showing up in
our, our more more authenticversion of who we are.
And because we have had thisgenerational switch of from you
know, generations past of likedon't speak unless spoken to and
don't be seen and not heard,like we had that like really
(20:39):
like silencing of our, of our,of generations, of our, of our
of generations.
And now it's like because thereis more more parents out there
that are willing to emotionallyaccept their children the way
they are and be able to supportthem and their real needs and
(21:00):
not just teach them how tosuppress their emotions, I feel
like we have new generationscoming forward, like even in my
parents.
My parents are like reallyyoung boomers, but they're still
boomers, right, and I was verymuch in a household that that
promoted conversations.
(21:20):
I didn't get grounded.
We had conversations.
Yeah, it was sprinkled with allkinds of Catholic guilt, but
they were conversations and notlike authoritarian court, like
corporal punishment, right, likeI got a crying mom who would
make me feel guilty and then wewould talk about it for two
hours, about of our emotions andhave some type of after effect,
(21:43):
right Like it was.
It was never, um, you crossthis boundary, go to your room.
We're not talking about likethat whole thing.
Like I think I feel like there'sa shift because now I'm raising
my kids differently.
I think there's definitely a uh.
I think with a lot of parentsnot all parents you definitely
(22:04):
see that there there's still ahuge contrast in parenting but
there is definitely morepositive gentle parenting or
attachment theory, likescientifically a based
understanding of psychology andthe way we're raising our kids
that are is now more acceptedthan it was 20 years ago.
(22:24):
That therapy is more acceptednow than it was 20 years ago.
Like there's a huge movementstoward self care, right, and so
it's like now if you say, hey, Ihave a therapist, it's not like
you're instantly getting shamedlike you would have 20, 30
years ago.
20, 30 years ago, if I said,yeah, I have a therapist people
would be oh, what's wrong withyou, right Versus?
(22:45):
Now it's like oh, I'm seeingthis there's oh, I've seen this
one.
What are you focusing on?
I'm focusing on EMDR, like it'slike the conversation has
changed because doing the workis now acceptable.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Right and it's the uh restricted parenting versus
like conscious parenting.
And I know there's gentleparenting, um, personally, I
prefer more like consciousparenting because I feel like
with that you're really, um,you're seeing them from the
awareness of the level thatthey're at.
I think in gentle parentingsometimes it's letting them be a
(23:19):
lot in their emotions, but Imean, that's not our
conversation.
But I do think that withconscious parenting, I watch my
daughter and I find it soamazing because she's really the
one that is breaking thegenerational trauma in my family
.
So it's like I start that withher but I brought in a lot
breaking the generational traumain my family.
So it was like I started thatwith her but I brought in a lot
of the parenting trauma that Ireceived from mine.
You know my mom was a gellerand you know there was just
(23:42):
certain things that we had in myhousehold.
Right, conversation wasn'talways like a sit down for in my
household and but when I wasraising my kids, I started
integrating that, I startedbringing that in and it was like
let's have our conversations,even if it's like we're doing
our makeup and doing our hair,and we're having a conversation,
versus like a sit-down, seriousconversation.
It was more in flow and kind ofa light situation, but she is
(24:07):
so powerful in it and I justwatch her with my granddaughters
and even yesterday I was onFaceTime with her and the
youngest one is trying to sit onthe toilet and eat her waffle.
And she's like no, you need togo over there, take your waffle
If you want to sit on the toiletbecause she was brushing her
teeth or whatever.
If you want to sit on thetoilet, then you need to go put
(24:27):
your food out of the bathroom.
And she dropped down.
She's eye to eye with hertwo-year-old, she's explaining
it and then she's just.
And then she has the stern partof her like Ivy, no, give me
your waffle if you want to sitthere, or come over here by the
door and stand there.
And Ivy's like okay, she gaveher her two choices.
She went and stood by the doorand she ate her waffle and she
(24:50):
was totally fine and moved onand I was like wow, I was so
impressed with her because as amom her mom I would have been
like go get out of there, takeyour waffle out of the bathroom.
And that isn't.
She is teaching me how this issuch a beautiful way of having
that parent-child relationshipand I'm just so impressed and
(25:12):
it's like that is absolutely themovement I feel that we're
coming into as far as parentinggoes, because a lot of parents
are working through their shadowand they're seeing in their
little ones the pain that theyhad and that they went through,
and so now we can, as parents,as grandparents, step into that
role in a completely differentway and say my shadow self does
(25:36):
not need to show up here.
I need to heal this part of meso I can help raise you in a way
that is more light, less trauma, less karma attached.
You know, like all those thingsdon't need to happen, but it's
because we ourselves are comingto a conscious level of
understanding what it means toraise little ones.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, absolutely.
I love that and I see thathappening for sure.
And so, yeah, I think there's acontinuation, there's a shift,
consciously, and I think,because there's so much
acceptance of doing the work,like it can be done, and I love
that we have programs like soulrising that is going to give you
(26:19):
the structure of, like you'reready to do the work and you
don't know where to start, likelet's deep dive.
You're like I think there areso many opportunities to go.
How do I want to explore my ownshadows?
How do I want to explore mylimiting beliefs?
How do I want to explore theheaviness that I carry so that I
can remove what no longerserves me?
(26:40):
Right, I think there's a lot ofpieces of our shadow that
serves us.
Right, there's a reason whythey right, there's so much that
they're.
They're there to to keep itreal, to allow you to to stay
safe and dangerous situationsLike there's a reason why
they've developed.
And how do we come to a place ofintegration that you're
accepting all of who you are, ofyour light and all of it Like
(27:05):
that?
I think that's it.
How do we accept all of it,that you are not just a beaming
bright light of of you know,sparkly energy, like, yeah, it's
amazing when we can be, butthere's so, but we're more
dynamic than that.
We're meant to be more dynamicthan that.
And personally, it's like Ifeel like I have so much, uh,
(27:28):
excitement around utilizing myemotions as my superpower.
Excitement around utilizing myemotions as my superpower Like I
feel like I have spent yearssuppressing, like certain
relationships in my life werevery much like don't express
your emotions because I can'thandle it Right.
Like it was the partner of me,like I can't handle you in your
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fullness of my emotions.
Like if I'm like right now Ifeel like I'm in my most
emotionally authentic phase I'veever been in and that means I
cry, probably on average fivetimes a week right, not that at
times you're like it's the time.
It just might, I just let it hitme when it hits me.
(28:11):
Sometimes it's tears of joy,sometimes it's like tears of
frustration, sometimes it'stears of like sadness, like
whatever it is.
I want to feel what I feel whenI feel it right.
So like last night, for example.
I live in a co-housingcommunity.
Last night was my night tosupport making dinner for our
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community and we had 30 peoplesigning up, which is a huge
percentage of our community, andwe're making rice and dahl,
very simple meal.
And two of the members of mygoat club come in and was like
Christy, I know this is a badtime, but we need to talk to you
.
I'm like, yeah, simple meal,everything's set up.
What do you need to talk to meabout?
And they were like we wanted tolet you know that one of the
(28:56):
goats died this afternoon andwhen, knowing that we have this
dinner tonight, when do you wantus to announce it?
And I sat with it for a momentbecause this is like.
I have taken care of the goatsnow for over four years and you
know, losing one of our animalsis always hard and heavy and I,
I just I came to the conclusionvery quickly that if we can eat
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together, we can grieve together, and so I wanted to have that
announcement sent as soon aspossible.
And then I was going to make alive announcement at the
beginning of dinner and it's,it's those moments of like here
I am announcing to the communityand, yeah, I've, I'm choking up
, I'm getting tears and allowingit to happen, allowing people
(29:42):
to see that this is acceptableto be emotional about.
And there's definitely childrenin our community that they were
told so that they could move onwith their life.
And like, not necessarilyemotionally processed, my
daughter was devastated, right,she quietly ate her meal.
And then she, after she wasdone eating, and she was like,
(30:04):
can I be excused?
I, I need to go hang out withsome of the neighbor's dogs so
that I can process.
And I'm like, so that I canprocess.
And I'm like, yeah, girl, go dowhat you need to do.
And like I am just love that,like she can be in the motion.
She was, she was shocked, she,she had emotions, she knew how
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she wanted to process.
And today she's like writing,she's doing artwork to process,
like all of those things.
It's just like if we're goingto be in our fullness, like when
something happens, let's feelit, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, feel it.
Feel it, yeah.
And for her to know what sheneeded at 11, 12 years old.
You know, for her to understandlike I'm feeling sad and I need
to go and take care of me inthis way, right, and you not say
no, you need to sit at thetable and wait for everyone to
be done, like back in the day,you know, going back to that
(31:01):
because that is how it used tobe and you just say no, you need
to go do what you need to doand that allows her to go work
with what she needs to do withher grief, and that allows her
to go work with what she needsto do with her grief, fill all
her emotions and that's notgoing to create a shadow self,
right, right, because that'sreally how all these shadows
(31:24):
show up.
Is when we're restricted andsuppressed by the adults or
those that we see as anauthority of us.
Is when we know what we need todo, at whatever age it is, and
then we're told no, know what weneed to do at whatever age it
is, and then we're told no.
And I'll have to say,throughout my entire life well,
into my adult life that has beena lot of my shadow work is
being told no, and I'm over herelike, uh-uh, I'm going to prove
(31:45):
to you, yes, I'm going to proveto you that I can.
And so I've been running thatfor the majority of my life and
now I can be like so I've beenrunning that for the majority of
my life and now I can be like Idon't need to take your no, I
can go do my yes, whether youlike it or not, right, and prove
it and be okay with that.
This last week I actually hadsome conversations I had to have
(32:07):
with some people and on theshadow self, it wanted to create
this big old story around it.
How was I going to have theseconversations?
How were they going to turn out?
Did I even want to?
Did I want to run and just belike, nope, I'm going to go do
this somewhere else, you know,kind of thing.
And in the moment when Iactually had them, it was really
(32:27):
beautiful and I don't eventhink they even knew where I was
even coming from.
But just because I was authenticin how my approach was, one
teared up and was just like Ilove you and gave me hugs, and I
was like, oh, wow, that was atrip, because it was just like I
am so happy to hear your laugh,that was it that literally
(32:49):
melted whatever there was thatwas brewing up, and it wasn't so
much between me and this person, it was what this person was
going through, and theboundaries went up and the walls
went up because they were goingthrough levels of grief.
And so instead of me being like, oh well, if you're going to
act like this, I'm going to actlike that, which is what our
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shadow self does, a reflectionof each other.
I was like, no, I am going tocome in on that lighter side.
So I was able to do that inthat one and really just healed
that, which was beautiful.
And then another conversation Ihad to have was very
interesting, was kind of thesame thing Competition, no.
And then, through my ownprocessing of it, I went to her
(33:31):
and was like we don't need to,let's just collaborate it.
Oh, okay, even though you'redoing, you know, one version of
the ceremony and I'm doinganother, we can marry them, we
can combine them and collaborateit.
Our community doesn't need tochoose between one or the other.
And now that's what we're doing, but I have learned how to, in
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my shadow do that work ofprocessing?
Because the shadow work was mesitting at my house, reeling
through it of all the differentoutcomes that could have
happened and was I pissed, was Ithis, was I that?
And in the moment I was like,no, I don't want to be there.
I was good because I did mywork, but it took a few days,
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which is really what you knowwhen we work with ourself.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Your daughter is working with her grief, she's
hit with something she can gofill into that and go do her
work and come back and be like,okay, I've processed you know,
yeah Well, it's so funny because, before we jumped on this call,
I'm flipping through mynotebook and I have this note
here that some people try to dimyour light because your light
(34:39):
exposes things hidden in theirshadows they don't want to see,
right?
I think this is where it comesto how we mirror in
relationships our lack ofwillingness to see our own
shadow relationships, our lackof willingness to see our own
shadow.
It's going to be reflected inour relationships because you're
(34:59):
going to, you're going to meetthat energy, Right, and I I love
that your story really reflectsthat of like nope, I'm going to
sit with it, I'm going to workthrough my limiting beliefs or
my stories, my shadow showing upin this way, and then, when I
need to actually have theconversation, I'm able to do it
in such a way that invitesvulnerability.
(35:21):
I'm inviting a place to haveauthentic conversations.
I'm inviting a place to be real, because when we're real which
I believe that that authenticityis such a higher vibration than
even love, right, Like this iswhere that love and light you
know love and light only I'mlike there's a, there's even a
stronger version, and that'sgoing to be your authentic truth
(35:43):
.
And then that authentic truth.
You're.
You're saying look, I'm willingto speak my authentic truth,
and then the people that you'rein relation with relationship
with are going to show up moreavailable to be in their
authentic truth.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Right, yeah, yeah, exactly, you know.
And the thing when I sat withit, I realized that what was
coming up was that inner childof not feeling accepted by the
group.
And in the end I realized, whenI did the work and had the
conversations, I've always beenaccepted.
It was my own fear, my own BSin my own head that was creating
(36:21):
something that wasn't eventhere and they were possibly
feeling the exact same thing Iwas feeling.
So me coming forward, just lettheir inner child realize that
they were accepted as well.
Right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Hello, do the work.
It's so good, it's so worth it.
Like, it's so interesting, likeright now I have.
I've been working through alimiting belief of like, fear of
rejection, fear of judgment,right Of like I am invited to do
this activity and I'm worriedthat I'm going to be like my
(36:58):
inner child has just completelybeen freaking out for a couple
of months and like I'm not doingit, there's no way I'm going to
do that.
I'm not going to be seen thatway, like et cetera, et cetera.
And so we're teaching thismasterclass, Isabel and myself.
And last week Isabel led usthrough a coaching journey
(37:18):
experience on looking at ourlimiting beliefs and why we have
them and really understandingwhere are they coming from and
what's the benefit of holdingonto this limiting belief to the
point where you go through thisexercise and this is something
that we include in our soulrising program as well, because
we are all about diving into theshadow work and figuring out
(37:39):
your limiting beliefs.
Then I got to the end because Iwas I was participating like a
student.
I was like oh my God, it's allfalse, it's all false.
And as soon as I could see itas false, then I could stop with
my self-sabotaging behavior.
Then I could start going, oh, Ican do that thing, because now
(38:01):
that what was that comfort zoneedge is now pushed way out,
because I believe that I'm goingto be fully accepted, loved and
embraced by doing this activity, even if I mess it up, because
there's no such thing as failurein this activity, right?
So how could I be judged, howcould I be shamed, how could I
be by this other person Ifthat's not how they have ever
(38:25):
shown up in my life like they're?
Of course they're not going to,right.
And so I was able to kind ofutilize this exercise and that's
what we can come back again andagain and again.
Like I taught Isabel thisexercise like five years ago,
right, and now she's this one ofher favorite coaching
modalities of reallyunderstanding our limiting
(38:48):
beliefs and she loves workingthrough it.
And so when we were trying todecide who was going to teach
this in class last week, I waslike, oh, you know, I haven't
really done the exercise inprobably a few years.
She's like, oh, my God, it'sone of my favorites.
I'm like, well, you lead that.
Then, like you, you go, shineyour light, you do it, I'll
participate.
And it was it.
(39:10):
The class went amazing.
It was such in flow and Ireally benefited from taking a
step back and those moments andjust being a participant and
working my way through it andgoing, oh my gosh, I got this
Right and I just I love too thatthat's even as co-facilitators,
as co-teachers, because we're ateam.
We get to play in that space ofhey, if I I'm really good and
(39:33):
solid in this modality and like,are you comfortable in that?
Like we're checking to see isyour shadow side being triggered
?
If I take the lead on thisRight, like there's some of that
going on and going, where can Ishow up so authentically of
going you know what?
I can see that part of myselfand I can also see why, like
(39:57):
this is going to be better ifyou do it.
Like all of that is happeningbecause we're so aware as a team
and willing to talk about it.
Right, I think that so oftenthat you have groups and
communities that aren't reallywilling to to feel their
emotions and going there anddoing little self-checks, like
(40:19):
is there anything beingtriggered by this?
Is there anything beingactivated?
How am I feeling with this idea?
And then going and then comingand having conversations and
coming to a conclusion that'sgoing to feel good for everyone,
right?
Like, just like you did, likeyou came to your, your partner.
You were being vulnerable, youwere being authentic and you
came to like, oh, we should becollaborating.
It sounds like what if?
(40:41):
What if there was no fear ofcompetition, that fear of
scarcity, and we all just showup in collaboration with one
another, often, right?
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, that was exactly it.
It's like why are we trying toseparate two events in one night
that actually work together?
That made you know, made nosense to me, because you have a
little bit of a differentapproach than I do.
That's okay.
Let the community have bothsides with, like co-workers and
stuff.
I think that's why there's somuch toxicity is because there
(41:12):
aren't open conversations towork things out.
It's everyone just suppressesand suppresses and then they
feel like they're showing up andhaving to put a mask on and
that's the shadow.
Then they go home and they'reangry at home and they're angry
(41:32):
with their family and they takeit out in the home place because
work is so stressful and it'slike no, do the work in the
moment.
So when you go home, you're notunloading and doing this
toxicity in the house, right?
You're not doing your purgingthere, and so it really is
coming to self.
I saw a comment the other dayand I thought it was so great
(41:55):
and I said I need to stopexpecting myself and others and
I thought, oh, my gosh.
And for me what that meant waswe expect others to see
everything from our lens, ourperspective, right, that one
point of view, and it's like no,everybody has their own
perspective of it.
(42:15):
You know, if we're all lookingat one thing and we're standing
in a circle, none of us aregoing to see that one object
from the same point of view.
And that's the same thing withsituations and conversations
Everybody is interpreting itfrom their lens of scope, and so
when we can come to aconversation, realizing they
probably are not seeing itexactly like you, are that right
(42:38):
, there is a touch ground tostart a conversation.
You know like, okay, are youseeing it this way, because this
is the way I mean it, and howare you seeing it versus my
expression of it?
Yeah, right, and just lettingit open up from there, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I, um, I'm really enjoying conversations that
where you can show up in yourdesire, show up in your fear,
show up in your boundaries, showup in these authentic
conversations, because when youeach have a chance to fully
communicate well, we're going togo into really some deep places
where it's going to have apositive benefit because we can
(43:16):
see it's like that third eyespace of perception how are we
perceiving the world, how are weperceiving this person?
And really taking theperception of and shining the
light on yourself, like, whereis it in me that feels like I'm
holding myself back?
Where does it feel?
What are the emotions I'mfeeling?
What?
How is this making like andgoing through it?
And I think it's so importantand I just absolutely love the
(43:41):
container that we create and sorising because everyone feels
that it's a container.
It's a container to fullyexpress and be validated and
whatever their experience is andso I, even those first few
classes on how to shamanicjourney, everyone's having a
very different experience, right, everyone's having a.
(44:02):
Some people are like ease andflow, they're seeing, feeling
things, and others it's justlike still a blank slate and
going all of it's okay, all ofit's okay.
Whatever emotions are coming upfrom this.
It's working or not, workingplace is okay and we're creating
this foundation of safety, oflike, feel whatever it feels
(44:23):
like to feel like a fraud, tofeel like insecure, to feel
amazing and happy that it'sworking for you, whatever that
emotion is, show up in it,working for you.
Like, whatever that emotion islike, show up in it.
And this is such a place whereeverything is okay and you're
going to have a mentor, afacilitator, in that space to
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give you the space that you needto fully express yourself and
keep the class on track and keepmoving forward Right Like.
There's this beautiful balancethat, as facilitators, that we
learn to play with, to like,yeah, we want to make sure you
have your voice and if, if,there's more needed in that, we
have so many resources.
(45:05):
We have so many resources inthat.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Just love it it's.
It's a beautiful place to havea really strong container to
step out of your comfort zone,and so that's it.
It's like we get so comfortablein our places in life, right,
what our status is, what ouremotional balance is, whatever
it is so we get so comfortablethat when the stretch and
(45:29):
challenge comes and it invokesthat shadow self and we're like
I don't know what to do withthis.
And it invokes that shadow selfand we're like I don't know
what to do with this, that it'slike you've got to look it in
the eye and say I see you andI'm ready to do this work.
And it can be a really scaryplace for people when they are
just trying to live a very loveand light kind of experience,
(45:49):
and I think that we come fromthat.
So here in this, this is thedivality, the polarity of it.
We are here to work with theshadow.
We're here to work through allof the things that have come
through in this lifetime pastlifetimes, all of it
relationships and conversationsthat it's okay to step out of
our comfort zone and do what weneed to do so that we can feel
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comfortable in all the areas ofour life instead of feeling like
every little thing is going totrigger me, Like how exhausting
that feels when you're so stuckin your shadow that you feel
like every single conversationis going to invoke some kind of
trigger in you that you can'thandle.
And then you're just like, ah,ah, all the time it's like no, I
(46:33):
want to embrace this.
And even with myself it's likeI was having a conversation
earlier, before this, and I'mlike I don't have time for this
conversation right now, but Ican have it later.
So I put it on the shelf for aminute and I said I'll come back
to it, and it wasn't a negativeconversation, but it's just
trying to see the viewpointsfrom both sides.
Let me come back to that andnow I can go and process it and
(46:58):
then show up and different.
But I'm like my shadow seesyour shadow.
In the end, that's what I'mgetting out of our conversation
right now is my shadow is seeinghis shadow, and so instead of
being like I see you, let's justwork through this.
It's that butting of heads.
Okay, well, let's step back fora second.
(47:18):
You do your shadow work, I'lldo mine, and we'll come back and
figure out what we both learnedfrom it.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah, well, and I think, what if the world was
like that?
Right, like that's what I'mtalking about.
Like the highest vibe, the mostauthentic version?
That's what I'm talking about,like the highest vibe, the most
authentic version.
What if those were ourconversations on the regular?
Of going, wow, I recognize thatmy inner child is being
triggered this way when you showup like this and my desire is
(47:46):
to have this type of experience,and these are my fears and this
is my boundaries Like I want totalk about this for a half an
hour and then I'm probably goingto need a break.
Like, whatever your boundary is, and being able to fully
communicate, that Like.
I think this is why havingthese experiences of coming to a
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place where we can more fullycommunicate, more fully, being
able to be in relationship right, relationship with ourself and
right, relationship with othersRight.
But it all has to start within.
If we can't, if we can't lookwithin, we can't look and
recognize what's happening inother people.
(48:28):
We have to start with ourself-work, ourself digging into
what's going on there.
And if we've spent so much ofour life refusing to look at
those parts of ourself, then howare we ever going to have the
relationships that we trulydesire and want to attract.
Right Like I had someone in mycommunity.
(48:50):
Right Like, basically, to thepoint of I'm never going to find
my perfect partner, I'm nevergoing to find my soulmate,
because everything I attract isso messed up and I'm like
timeout, timeout.
Become your own lover, becomeyour own soulmate.
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Love yourself so much that youlove all of you so that you
don't reduce your standards andattract something that's not
worthy of your time andattention.
Right Like there's so much workthat we can do for ourselves.
And loving all of our pieces.
Loving our shadow how can weexpect someone else to love our
(49:31):
shadow if we can't love ourshadow?
Right, and so when we startdoing the deep dive in the work
of recognizing our limitingbeliefs and where they came from
, recognizing where our shadowsand what they're trying to
communicate and how they want toshow up and how they want to be
seen and what their message isfor us, and loving on it anyway,
that's when we are going toattract, we're going to manifest
(49:56):
, we're going to show up in theworld of like this is who I am
in my self-worth, myself-respect, my self-love.
And if the relationships in mylife can't reflect that back.
I'm not available for it, right?
And so that is what we'reconsistently trying to help
support our students in, right?
(50:16):
Is that?
How can we develop thatfullness of my self-love,
self-respect and self-worth?
And so often we haven't spentenough time in that area.
And I was just teaching a chakraactivation day retreat on
Saturday locally and I keptgoing back to this is why the
lower three are so important andthis is why our spiritual
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community often bypasses them.
All of our stuff.
First, three chakras yes, yeah,right, it's got.
We have to focus on these.
Like, there's so much likelet's develop our clairvoyance,
let's talk to our past lives,let's do these really.
Crown chakra, third eye chakra,standpoint, and I'm like and
(51:01):
how messy is it going to get Ifyou don't know which, where your
shadow is showing up in all ofthat?
Speaker 3 (51:07):
Yeah, it is so important.
I had a similar conversationthis weekend too, during level
one.
I had a similar conversationthis weekend too, during level
one, and so in the class portionwe spoke about that and then
when we did, I did theattunement.
So I had four students andthree of them came out like, oh,
my gosh, amazing.
And then the third, the fourthone came out with, oh, I saw all
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kinds of like dark things andall this stuff, right, well,
interesting, and my vision.
I saw that.
So I knew somebody in the groupwas having some really heavy
transmutating, like they weretransmuting energy, and so I
told her I said don't worryabout it, you're unpacking what
needs to be unpacked so thatthis energy can regulate within
(51:51):
your system.
Right, so she went home thismorning I woke up to a text from
her saying I almost called youtoday to tell you how sad I was
that that was my experienceversus everyone else's
experience.
But last night when she went tobed, she had the energy come
through.
So she said she heard somenoise and then she felt like she
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needed to roll over.
And once she rolled over, shefelt that she saw this light
come through all of her chakrasand it moved and she had her
like a kundalini awakening andall this stuff started happening
for her and it was like, yes,because you sat in your shadow
work, you sat in the darkness ofthat and you released it.
And when you released it, itlet everything else come through
(52:34):
you.
And so now she's in a wholedifferent state of mind.
But it's like yeah, and I toldher and I said, and this is just
the beginning, so how wonderfulis that?
But she is introduced to herdarkest, deepest self through
her transition into the lightversion of her.
Now she really gets to beembodied in that and it's like
(52:56):
congratulations.
And I always tell people whenthey come to me and they're in
the middle of their awakening,and I'm like congratulations.
And they're like what?
Because to them it's so heavy.
And I'm like, yeah, but look atwhat the work you're doing
right now and look what you'rebeing introduced to right, like
you wouldn't be coming here ifyou weren't ready for change and
(53:18):
healing and transformation.
And it's the shadow that pushesus that way.
It's not the love and lightversion of us that makes us go
do the healing and the deep,radical healing.
It is the shadow that's got thefoot on the ass going.
Go do this work.
Go figure out who you are.
And when you figure out who youare, you can be in balance and
(53:39):
you can show up and be able tosupport others and theirs.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yes, I had a similar experience with a person who
just listened to our new freebie.
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(54:04):
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And the first one is to meetyour power animal.
And she journeyed and was inprimal screaming and just hurt
like lots of darkness.
And I'm like, and now she hasthis opportunity to come back
and be like what was that about?
Let's talk about that.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, let'sdo a little support, a little
(54:27):
mentorship, because there's somuch there.
That is a invitation to go indeeper and explore.
Why is my subconscious showingup this way?
Right, and so know that ifwe'll put it in the show notes,
but if you have not seen thatfreebie that we have, I am
really trying to get it out toeveryone, everyone who's
(54:49):
available for it.
So I messaging folks, I'mputting it on Facebook posts
because it is brilliant and youknow, I, um, I watched the
webinar myself and it's it'sboth Isabel and Chantel offering
the webinar series, and Isabelis so beautiful in her
explanations and calling indirections and then Chantel does
(55:12):
the guided meditation.
I was like this is fuckingbrilliant, like this is such a
good presentation.
I was like so excited andfilled with joy that this is
what we're giving out, like thisis some of our most beautiful
work that we can offer and we'reoffering it to you as a freebie
because it is brilliant, it islovely and you are going to
(55:34):
experience something when youlisten to it.
You're going to feel not onlythe way we explain and teach and
how we like offer lessons, butyou're also going to have this
spiritual experience of meetingyour power animal.
And if it doesn't work thefirst time, that's okay.
You can listen to it again andagain and and have a different
experience every time you comeback to it with new, fresh eyes.
(55:57):
And so it's also something thatreally, if you love the way it
flows and the way we present andthe way we facilitate, know
that this is like a reallylovely taste of what you're
going to see inside ourfour-month program, soul Rising.
And really it's closer to fivemonths container, because we
(56:18):
take breaks for winter break andwe take breaks for Thanksgiving
and we really are totally in itwith you guys and I'm just so
excited to share the freebie.
I'm so excited for soul risingand start.
We start on September 14th andI'm just going to cover a couple
of my most frequently askedquestions, because I get them
all the time.
(56:38):
It's a three to four hourcommitment a week.
It has both live calls,pre-recorded lessons, guided
meditations, activating actions.
We have a companion workbook.
We're really trying to allowyou to get all of the possible
information that is going toserve you in encountering that
(57:01):
shadow, alchemizing it, workingthrough it, your limiting
beliefs, your spiritualdevelopment, your personal, all
of it Like it's in thiscontainer and we're going to
move through the first fourchakras.
So, juha, just a minute ago Isaid the three are so important.
We're covering it, we're doing adeep dive while you learn how
to shamanic journey, to buildout your spirit team right.
(57:23):
So your power animals, yourspirit guides, and really having
relationship with them, so thatyou, at the end of the program,
you no longer need to come tome, to a facilitator, to a guru,
to a teacher, to anyone elsewith your spiritual questions.
You will go to your power animal, to your spirit guide, and be
like I need support on thistopic and have it readily
(57:46):
available to you through yourown lens, through your own
wisdom, through your own divineconnections, and that is the
empowerment we offer ourstudents and I'm just so
absolutely excited to beoffering that starting September
14th.
So if you're ready to join withus, we'll have that in the show
notes as well and really, really, really excited.
(58:09):
I hope you will take a look atour website, really feel into a
sea of soul rising is for youand know that we have a ton of
information on both the websiteover at moonrisinginstitutecom
backslash, soul dash rising, aswell as our YouTube and our
(58:30):
podcast and our.
All of these places and spacesare giving you a taste of what
we offer inside of soul rising.
So if you're ready to do a deepdive in your personal
self-healing work, to come meetyour shadow, to alchemize to, to
really have thattransformational experience
that's going to work for you,join us over there and anything
(58:54):
else to add to that Chantelbefore we do.
Speaker 3 (58:57):
No, I think that was beautifully said.
I was like, wow, look at you.
That was great.
I'm so excited it is.
And I just feel like, yes, comesee us on the inside, because
there's so much medicine in SoulRising that there's magic and
medicine and work and ritualsand ceremony and the journey,
(59:18):
work and coming back to self andknowing we are our own guru and
we are our own master.
Right, and we do need mentorsin our life at points.
But then there comes a pointwhere, yeah, you can go to your
own self-sourced wisdom and yourteam and say, okay, what do we
need to do here and now?
And that's exactly what it is.
(59:40):
It's a beautiful foundation tohelp you grow within yourself
and to elevate and do all of thework.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yes, yeah, and so if you are like I'm interested, I
have questions, jump on a freecall with me and I'm happy to
show you the backend, show youthe coursework, go over any of
your questions.
Know that we develop thecalendar based on your
availability, which is unlikealmost any other program out
there.
We're going to send you a callsurvey to figure out when you're
(01:00:09):
available so that we schedule atime that we can make sure that
you can come to at least onecall a week.
So, with all of that said, Ilove you, I adore you.
I'm so proud of you for doingthe shadow work, I'm so proud of
you for getting curious, anduntil next time, may you awaken
to the whispers of wisdom risingfrom within.
Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Thanks for tuning in to today's show.
The Wisdom Rising podcast issponsored by Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
If you enjoyed this episode, besure to subscribe to the show
on your favorite podcasting appand be the first to know when we
release a new episode.
You can find us on Instagram,facebook, youtube and TikTok at
(01:00:53):
Moon Rising Institute, or visitour website,
moonrisinginstitutecom to learnmore about our mission and find
future opportunities to connectwith our community of shamanic
mystics.
Once again, thank you forsharing space with us today and
until next time, may you awakento the whispers of wisdom rising
from within.
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