Conscious Grieving Through The Holidays

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The holidays can be a beautiful strain on the heart—full of memories, expectations, and a thousand quiet reminders of what’s changed. We sit down to unpack conscious grieving with open hands: how to honor what hurts, make space for what heals, and choose traditions that actually support your nervous system. This isn’t a tidy list of stages; it’s a living practice that meets you where you are, whether you’re grieving a loved one, a marriage, a job, or an old identity that no longer fits.

In this episode, we explore:

🌕 Grief showing up as physical signals in the body
🌖 Boundaries for parties, family plans, and social energy
🌗 Honoring grief beyond death including divorce and identity loss
🌘 Cyclical grief via chakras and the medicine wheel, not linear stages
🌑 The hero’s journey as a frame for separation, initiation, and return
🌒 Preparing for hard dates with planned support and self-care
🌓 Permission to be imperfect parents and simplify routines
🌔 Moving anger safely with rage rooms, breath, and movement
🌕 Letting small moments of joy coexist with sorrow

You’ll get practical holiday tools: set clean boundaries for social events, create rituals of remembrance (an empty chair, a candle, a favorite dish), and plan for hard dates with therapy, movement, or extra rest. We share scripts for loved ones who want to help and specifics that lift the load—meals, childcare, dishes—without adding decision fatigue. We talk rage rooms and why moving anger can unlock the sadness beneath it. And we normalize small glimmers of joy: they don’t betray your grief; they remind you that your heart still works.

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The group will offer an empathetic, supportive environment to explore emotions, build resilience, and reconnect with yourself at a deeper level. You will learn tools to honor your grief, regulate your emotional and energetic body, and cultivate healing that extends beyond the sessions into everyday life.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the podcast of Moon
Rising Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Renee
and Chantel Ochoa as we dancebetween worlds of shamanism,
mysticism, and energy healing.
Each week we illuminate yourpath to self-sourced wisdom and
attune you to the whispers ofwisdom rising from within.

(00:25):
Welcome back to Whispers ofWisdom.
I'm your host, Christine Rene,and I'm joined with Chantel
Ochoa as we dive into thisconversation, our Whispers of
Wisdom on conscious grievingthrough the holidays.
And it there is so much laughterin this episode.
So don't think that this isactually going to be a super
heavy conversation because therewas laughter throughout it.

(00:48):
And we really get into the ideathat grief is many different
kinds of losses.
So we talk about grieving, lossof a loved one, divorce, the
children being involved in this,and how we can accept ourselves
for not being the perfectparents as we go through these
traumas, processing our emotionsand really giving ourselves

(01:08):
space during the holiday seasonto feel it all.
So know that we have a newoffering offered by Chantel
Ochoa on Conscious Grievingstarting January 12th.
It's going to be the second andfourth Monday of every month,
our conscious grievers group.

(01:29):
And this is far beyond aconscious grief support group.
This is a full alchemization,understanding your energy,
witnessing your energy, andmoving through it.
So definitely check out the shownotes for more information on
that offering.
And we wish you a very happyholidays this holiday season.

(01:51):
Thanks for listening to yourwisdom rising.
Be sure to click the like, thesubscribe, the share button, all
of the things, and happyholidays.

SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
I'm just gonna take a nice deep breath.
Inhaling it in, stretching yourbody.
I know I need this, so I'm gonnaassume that everyone else needs
to as well.

SPEAKER_01 (02:14):
Whether you're watching in lunchtime zone or
early morning, we want towelcome you, welcome you into
the conversation for today'swhispers of wisdom.
I'm here with Chantelle Ochoafor our conversation, our
whispers of wisdom this week onconscious grieving through the
holidays.

(02:35):
And if you don't know, ChantelleOchoa is a leader, a facilitator
of conscious grieving, whetherthat is one-on-one sessions or
group facilitation.
She has a wealth of wisdom.
She recently was on theConnected Community podcast on
this topic.
And I was like, well, let's takeit to the next level because

(02:55):
here we are in the holidays andeveryone's feeling something.
So thanks, Chantel, for sharingyour whispers of wisdom with us
today.

SPEAKER_02 (03:03):
I think this is a perfect time for this
conversation.
I think we tend to wrap backaround to grief during this time
of year, every year, but it'sit's a good, I think, support
system and foundation to provideour listeners and viewers, our
community.

SPEAKER_01 (03:22):
It it's um really having the awareness of what am
I feeling right now?
Like I have I've had um a clientrecently where she has
experienced a loss recently, andher body is having a physical
reaction to it.
Like her hips aren't were likeare really sore, her lower back

(03:46):
is spasming, she's having andshe's not she wasn't really
emotionally available to movethrough it.
And I'm like, well, let's let'ssee where we can go.
And it was just recognizing howthe emotions kind of move
through the body as we recognizeit.
How does how do we bring fromthe subconscious emotions into

(04:09):
the conscious awareness offeeling what we feel and
recognizing as we move into theholidays, those emotions might
be more intense?
So it's kind of like how do welet yourself feel what you feel?
Like there's so much.
Um we oftentimes, as a strategy,as a mechanism to suppress or

(04:32):
deny ourselves the time andspace to feel what we feel.
And as we move through theholidays, it's it's this
remembrance of what happenedduring the last holidays when
this person was in our life,right?
Or so many years ago, orwhenever it was of going, what
emotions are available to menow?
And do I feel safe to feel whatI feel?

SPEAKER_02 (04:54):
Yeah.
I think a lot of people, youknow, we step into that energy
of nostalgia, like you'retalking about with um
remembering what was and who wasaround.
And as more people in the familytransition out and you have just
pictures left and memories left,right?

(05:16):
It's it can be really difficultat this time.
Like, do you even want tocelebrate?
Do you feel it?
Do you not feel it?
Do you, you know, want to bearound family?
Are you looking to just be withyourself to self-isolate and
everything?
So there's a lot of emotionsthat comes with this time of
year.
And also because the the seasonchanging, it's getting darker,

(05:39):
it's getting colder, this is abig add-on to it.
I don't think it's just theholidays because not everybody
celebrates, but I think what itis is that everything is
shifting right now.
It's not bright and fun andcolorful, it's, you know, and
and so as we're shifting in allof our seasons and cycles, it
really can tug on theheartstrings.

SPEAKER_01 (05:59):
Yeah.
And so what do we do with that?
When we we're feeling thoseheart strings being tugged,
what's our what's the nor like Idon't even want to say normal,
but what does your body, whatdoes your system need to lean in
instead of resist and push away?

SPEAKER_02 (06:16):
Yeah.
Well, it's interesting with yourclient feeling all those
physical aches and pains becauseit's manifesting physically.

SPEAKER_01 (06:24):
It manifested like super quick.
Yeah.
And um, and to recognize, wow,this is energetic and not
something I can stretch out, youknow?
And so it's it's this gettingcurious about, like I always
lean in with my clients of like,can we just get curious about

(06:44):
it?
We don't have to judge it.
We don't have to say this isright or wrong or black and
white or this is we just what ifwe just leaned in and go, what
is the body trying tocommunicate?
What is the body experiencingright now?
And what does that feel like?
So I love bringing clientsthrough like recognizing where
is the physical issue in thebody, and how what does it look

(07:08):
like?
If it had a texture, if it had acolor, if it had a shape, what
would that be?
And as you just recognize it andsay, I see you, I see that
there.
What emotion does it have?
How is it moving?
Oh, then where did it go to?
And then all of a sudden it's adifferent color, it's a
different texture, it's adifferent emotion.
And you're just letting yourobservation of yourself move

(07:32):
through.
And then all of a sudden,because you're giving witness to
the the body and what it'strying to communicate, how does
it shift and change?
Right.
And so it's just one way ofrecognizing what the feelings
are when you may be tempted justto suppress and push it down so

(07:53):
that you can quote unquote makeit through the holidays.

SPEAKER_02 (07:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, and when we're goingthrough our systems going
through a shock, like loss,grief, anything like that, it's
it is within our energy centers.
So if we're not processingthrough our emotions, we're
suppressing them or holding onto them.
Does you know, like newbies to,you know, new people who are

(08:20):
freshly experiencing grief, it'snot so much about suppression at
that point.
It's it's holding it.
Like we're in this veryconstrictive state of being, and
the nervous system is fully inshock and it's not able to
regulate itself.
So, of course, that energy hasto go somewhere through the
system.
And where does it land?
Right.
So, like for her, it's landingin her root system, it sounds

(08:43):
like.
So, you know, when you start toum witness, you start observing
that space, what it's all about.
It's security, it's foundation.
Like she probably feels likeeverything got ripped out from
under her.
And how is she going to nowcontinue to support herself or
feel strong within her ownphysical experience when this

(09:04):
person is no longer there?
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (09:06):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's it's it's so thisweekend has been it's been a
little while because I feel likepeople are approaching me with
different levels of grief in away, like identity shifts, and
that they're grieving the lossof specific identities, or that

(09:28):
they're they're their loss oftheir sense of what it's
supposed to be like, right?
And so I feel like this seasongives us this opportunity to
maintain the traditions that wehad and really like is this here
to help me through the traditionitself, or does something need

(09:51):
to change so that I can be fullypresent and honoring of the
shift?

SPEAKER_03 (09:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (09:58):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (09:59):
Yeah, I I love that.
Um, just that getting curiouswith it, thinking about that.
Does everything need to stay thesame?
Do we need to continue all theold traditions when really a lot
of times it's am I holding on tothat because that's who I was
and who I'm still trying to be?
Because there are some losses inour life that will change us

(10:22):
forever.
It reshapes who we are.
And you're never gonna be thatperson you once were.
You know, like the veil has beenripped open, the, you know, the
layers have been stripped away,the mask and everything.
So for me, it's like once thoseblinders have been removed, you
know, that that safety net, thatlife is great, and then you lose

(10:43):
somebody, it is extremelydifficult to keep that old
version of yourself alive.
And I don't think that it'smeant to.
I think there are some lossesthat are here in our life to
wake us up to a new version ofourself.

SPEAKER_01 (10:58):
Yes, absolutely.
Right.
And I think that's where, youknow, there's a bit of how can
you embrace yourself in thetransition?
And what do you need to allowyourself to be the new version
of you as you step forward inthat new energy?

(11:19):
So it's kind of like, yes, we'rehonoring the grief, the
emotions, the process, but atthe same time, it's if I am
being true to myself, whatboundaries do I need to have?
What, what, what things am I ayes for, and what are things
that I'm a no for?
And noticing which traditionsare still in alignment that

(11:41):
feels yes, I'm honoring thisperson, this event that was
always there, and we're gonnacontinue to do so, versus how
can I change and make a newthing for let's say your new
family unit or your new solitaryself or whatever it may be for
you.
It's like, how can we invite innew possibilities?

SPEAKER_02 (12:06):
Yeah, yeah.
I think um one thing that we didis um, well, we do have some
tips.
So I do want to bring that up toour listeners just so that um if
you're looking for somethingthat's tangible, like what can I
do?
Um, you know, some people justkind of go through the process,
and then others they really needto have more goal-oriented um

(12:29):
opportunities or possibilities.
Um, so like what you're sayingis fill into who you are right
now, right?
Like setting those boundariesfor yourself, really having a
conversation with yourself.
Does this dinner meet my needs?
Does going and being in a housefull of, you know, 30, 50

(12:51):
people, is that going to serveme?
Is it going to support me?
Or am I gonna get in there andfeel like I'm in complete chaos
and anxiety?
And, you know, or is it they'regoing to see me in my pain and
they're gonna be able to providesome kind of comfort?

SPEAKER_01 (13:06):
Right?
It's kind of like, am I going tothis thing and gonna have to
mask my way through it?
Yeah.
Like, you know, there are somany like company holiday
parties and there are so manylike expectations to show up and
be sociable.
And if you're not, if youliterally can't hold yourself

(13:28):
together to put on that happyface and you don't want to, then
it's a no, you know, like anhonoring, like I'm not available
for that this year.
I'm not like I want to honorwhere I'm at, and maybe that's
to have smaller, more intimatespaces with individuals so that

(13:48):
you can feel fine with whereyou're at.
Maybe that's inviting friendsover and being in your PJs and
watching Christmas movies versusgoing to the holiday party.
You know, it's like recognizingwhere your energy is at.
And if it's needs to be moreconfined and held and supported,
what kind of opportunities canyou create or be um are you

(14:12):
invited to where that's gonna beokay?

SPEAKER_02 (14:15):
Yeah, it's kind of like creating your own container
and what feels good for you,right?
Because for first of all, youdon't want to go to a big old
event and then you're kind oflike a blob on the couch, right?
Yeah, and not filling intoanything, and you're gonna go
home pretty much and maybe blameor have a lot of guilt or shame

(14:36):
or something because you did,right?
That's gonna bring up a wholeanother layer of thought.
And um, and and I think it'sjust yes, give yourself
permission.
It is okay.
It is one year, two years,whatever.
Give yourself that permission.
And if it becomes a longerstretch and you realize, you
know what, that isn't servingme, create your new traditions,

(15:00):
and that's okay to do too.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:03):
It's you know what this is bringing up for me is
that I have um I hold thesegroup facilitations for women
once a week.
And one of the women umexpressed recently that she
really appreciates the way Ihold space because if she's a
hot mess, she can be a hot mess.
If she is feeling bad, she canfeel bad.

(15:25):
That if whatever emotion she'sat, she's completely honored in
the circle of going, yeah, bethat, be that.
There's no need to show up.
And you can only show up ifyou're happy and vibrant, and
you know, like, and to have thatinvitation of like, if you feel
like you have no energy and youshow up, and and that's all you

(15:45):
have the capacity for is justbeing present in the process of
whatever your emotion is, great.
And I just love thoseopportunities where if and
creating, like, I'm sure in yourgrief support group, if someone
is like having a celebratorymoment to honoring that, and
when someone is in theirdespair, they're being honored

(16:08):
in that.
You know, like really what arewhat are our containers that
allow the fullness of ourexpression?
And who is available to holdthose types of sacred spaces?

SPEAKER_02 (16:22):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and I love the two
examples because in a groupsetting, you can there's a
variety of emotions that canshow up.
And I totally welcome the winsin life.
So there's a lot of times in mymy grief group that you know,
I'll say, Hey, well, today we'regonna start off with what's one

(16:42):
good win you had this week, orgive me something of gratitude,
right?
And in the beginning, when Istarted, when I took over this
group, you know, they'd be like,There's nothing.
And and then now they're like, Ido have something.
I do have a win, I do have ashare, you know?
And but we have to teachyourself too that there is
something good in everysituation.

(17:04):
I don't mean the loss so much,but you can have good memories.
Let's talk about the memories.
You can share the name, you can,you know, like there is
something you can always bringto the altar that is gonna lift
you up, or that you just need toput down.
And so it's important to be ableto see both sides of it.

(17:24):
Yeah, there's a huge spectrum ingrief, and joy still has a place
in it.

SPEAKER_01 (17:30):
Right.
And I love that because I I feellike, you know, I um I attended
a death and dying conference acouple years ago, and we had
this um keynote speaker, and howshe was expressing, you know,
these seven levels of grief wasreally developed based on a very

(17:51):
small pool sample, and that theway people move through those
isn't the way people movethrough those, and that you can
jump around, and that there'snot really any kind of linear
model for what grief is supposedto look like, and just having
that permission of because youknow, this one model has been

(18:12):
developed about what grief issupposed to look like and when,
and what the stages are, doesn'tmean that there's actually real
solid truth in that.
And how does the brain recognizewhere it's at?
And do you get find yourself inchronic grief?
Like, are you a griever that isstill in that chronic grief five

(18:34):
years, 10 years, 20 years later,versus the person who is moving
through the energy of it andfinding new places and spaces to
reconcile, reconcile and see inthemselves their own identity
outside of the grief.

SPEAKER_02 (18:53):
Yeah.
And unfortunately, that hasbecome the format to every
psychoteque out there, and wereally do not grieve that way.
And I think it what it does toois it puts everyone into the
same box, thinking we're allgonna react the same way.
And it's just not true becauseyou know what, you might feel

(19:16):
one thing today, and thentomorrow you're gonna wake up
feeling like a whole differentemotion.
And we need to honor that andnot just think, well, I'm in I'm
in my anger phase right now, soI can only feel anger, or I'm,
you know, moving towardsacceptance, but why am I feeling
like I'm at the beginning ofgrief right now?
You know, and it does carry thislinear type of grieving process,

(19:38):
and it's not, I see it as acircle.
So I really focus on themedicine will and how are we
moving through the cycles of ourgrief?
I see them in our our chakrasystem.
So the emotions, the body, allof that that comes forward with
it.
And that to me is so tangible.
Like people can see themselves,it's okay if you're cycling.

(20:00):
Through it.
And there is not, there's notnecessarily like an end to that.
There's layers to it.
There's our deeper, deeperemotions, then there's our
lighter emotions.
And we don't have to putpigeonhole ourselves into okay,
I lost this person a year agoand I got to act this way
because it's been a year.
Because everyone expects meafter a year to move on.

(20:23):
And it's like, well, still ayear is still fresh.
That's still a new experience ofloss versus somebody, like you
said, chronic who's 10, 20, 30years out, right?
But even chronic grievers canlook at the medicine will or
grief in this way and go, oh mygosh, I never thought of that.

(20:44):
I didn't realize I was even achronic griever.

SPEAKER_01 (20:46):
Right.
Can you?
I love the way you describe thisbecause I feel like it does
break people out of this linearway of looking at it.
It feels more spiraling ratherthan a straight line, that this
like concrete linear fashion.
Will you, because I know thatyou work through the chakras and

(21:10):
the medicine wheel, and can youjust describe what that looks
like in your process?

SPEAKER_02 (21:16):
So it's really going through the initial shock of
everything, owning the, likeknowing that part of yourself,
right?
There is no expectation in thebeginning.
So just accept where you arewith it, right?
Like it is really embracing yourown emotions, embracing
yourself.
But we go through this cycle ofwhere there is um, there are

(21:38):
areas of um restoration, there'sspaces to be able to go within.
There is time of self-isolation,there is time to be able to go
and socialize with friends, evenif it's only a short period of
time.
And but what it is is goingthrough all of these emotions
and thoughts of self.
And at some point, there doesthere is a place of integration

(22:02):
or a space to be able to say,okay, I can choose.
Do I want to continue on thisgrief path or do I want to start
moving through it?
And when you start movingthrough it, you're really
empowering yourself to startliving again and to live a
different way, to reshape yourlife, to reshape your

(22:22):
perspective of what life is,right?
And so that's in the gist of it,it's kind of like what I work
with, but it's important to justembrace where you are and honor
where you're at, and know thatum there can be a light at the
end of the tunnel.
Whereas I think in traditionalgrief, it's like the end goal is

(22:44):
just to get to acceptance, whichis that linear thing.
There you are, you're just atacceptance, and we're messy
people.

SPEAKER_03 (22:53):
I'm like saying that again.

SPEAKER_01 (22:54):
We are messy people, and we are supposed to be neat
and tidy process.
It's not.

SPEAKER_02 (23:00):
It's not because you know what?
This grief is gonna unmask othergriefs and then layers and
everything.
So it's like before you know it,you're hanging out with your
inner child and you're you'repissed off about something that
happened to you when you'reeight, you know?
So it's okay to embrace it all.

SPEAKER_01 (23:16):
Well, and I think part of that when I was thinking
this morning before we got on ofgoing in the grief, where do the
pieces of fear of rejection orabandonment show up?
Like you have these differentfears that can be revealed in
the griefing process, right?
And there's this place and spaceof having the recognition of

(23:41):
this is what I am feeling.
This is, these are the fearsthat are coming up from my
childhood, what was similar frommy childhood losses or childhood
abandonments to how that is nowreflected in more of a recent
loss, right?
And so it's all available tokind of keep peeling back these

(24:02):
layers to really understandyourself in a more broader and
yet leaning into a more lovingway of yourself, you know.
So it's kind of like in thosemoments of just knowing that it
can be mussy and knowing thatyou can experience more than one
emotion at once, like you canfeel on a on a multi-spectrum

(24:26):
level, like those recognitionsthat just because this is the
way that this grief group thatis in your area sees it and this
very black and white, and like,okay, now we're gonna all be
angry.
It doesn't necessarily work thatway.

SPEAKER_02 (24:41):
Yeah, right.
Today we have anger on thetable.
Let's just talk there.
Um, there's times where I willhave them just laugh.
I'll have them laugh.
I'll say, you know what?
We're gonna laugh for threeminutes.
And or we're gonna get up andwe're gonna hug.
We're just gonna hug and tell,you know, give them like a
minute, two minutes of hugging,right?
And it can be very awkward forsome people.

(25:04):
Um, I'm very much, I sometimes Ilike to push people past their
limits because I think whenpeople step out of their comfort
zone and they realize, like, ohmy gosh, that that hug actually
felt really good.
It was medicine, it was healing.
Yes, it is.
And we need to hug longer thantwo seconds, you know, the the
quick little pat on the backhug, that's not heart to heart.

(25:26):
And there's no healing in that.
That's just like a quick, like,hey, how you doing?
But when you really need somecore healing, um, and for some
people who haven't been touched,you know, through a hug,
through, you know, just apatting of the hand, anything in
a while because their partner isgone or something like that,
doing hugs is really important.

(25:48):
And so um one of the things Iwanted to bring forward too is
so one of the things I focus onin grief too is the hero's
journey.
And and so if you know what thehero's journey is, it's it's
mythological and it's beenaround forever and ever.
But what it is is that therecomes a point, and it you'll see
it in all movies where there'salways like that climax, the the

(26:10):
hero of the movie ends up ontheir own solo journey, and then
they get brought back to theirpeople and all of that.
That's kind of what I and how Isee grief is that when we lose
our person or ourself, you know,even our own self-identity, we
end up on our own solo journeywhere we are being taken away.

(26:31):
We are being isolated, whetherit's mentally, emotionally,
physically, but there is someform of isolation where we're
not connecting with who we wereand all the people.
And so, with that is the firstpart of it is separation, which
in the hero's journey, I havedeath.
So separation is death.
And then we move, and with thatis the refusal of the call.

(26:54):
So there's a call to action, andthen a lot of times in that
people in that space, theyrefuse the call.
They're in denial, they're ingrief, there's no strength to
want to even look at anythingpositive or and rightfully so.
Then there's some mentor,there's something that shows up,
whether that's grief, a friend,some kind of support.

(27:15):
Then we move through like thiscrossing of the threshold into
this unknown world.
So you're going from your knownworld, what was what's familiar,
to what is unknown to yourself.
And that is your grief.
This is the initiation of griefand self.
And so this is when new peoplestart coming into your life.

(27:35):
This is when unfortunately youstart finding yourself in
support groups or cultivatingsomething, understanding grief
with others, right?
You start attracting new people.
Oh, I've had that experiencetoo.
Um, you know, you've you don'tmeet anybody who's lost a child.
Suddenly, everyone you know haslost a child, you know, kind of
thing.
We're being magnets to that.

(27:56):
But it's the initiation to it,and there becomes this conflict
with self and a conflict withlife.
You no longer see life the wayyou used to.
You may not like yourself likeyou used to.
You may not like your life, yourjob, and people like you used
to.
And so what ends up happening isyou have this battle with
existence.

(28:17):
Um, there might be temptations,temptations to drink, to do
drugs, to party, to be sexuallyover, you know, be over sexual.
Um, however, you start to feedyour pain.
And at some place, there comesthis road back to self.
And this is where we haveexhausted everything within

(28:38):
ourselves, and we're ready tonow start stepping onto the road
back to recovery.
And that is the return, the souljourney of coming back to self.
And so that's the refusal ofbeing who you were because you
now know you aren't, you're notthat person anymore.
So you have the self-acceptance.
I have changed, I've beenremolded, reshaped.

(29:01):
Um, there's this ultimate rewardof being able to connect
spiritually to your loved ones,recognizing they're always
there.
We die physically, but we areinfinite beings of energy and
consciousness of spirit.
Um, and then you become themaster of two worlds.
You become the master of whatwas, the master of who is, who's

(29:24):
to come, the unknown and theknown.
And that really is that's whenyou become that one that says, I
am masterful of self.
And then when you're doing thatwith the chakras, that's your
solar plexus when you come backout into your own personal
power.

SPEAKER_01 (29:38):
Yeah.
That's so um sounds like anincredible path to take to
recognize instead of the sevenstages of grief, like, where am
I at in my hero's journey?
Because you're the hero foryourself.
Right?
It's not for someone else, it'sfor you.
I love that.

(29:58):
And in that moment, in thatprocess, I should say, like, how
are we recreatingre-self-acceptance along along
that journey?

SPEAKER_02 (30:13):
And so, like you said, it is, it is your own
personal hero's journey, andyou're becoming the master of
self.
And what ends up happening a lotof times is most people through
trauma, tragedy, when they comeback to themselves, they become
in service to others.
Right.
Right.
And I think that that's a lot ofwhen you start getting into soul

(30:34):
contracts and stuff.
I think that's why there is alot of um, like when you look at
loss, why did how did they die?
Why did they die, you know, kindof thing.
And is there a service in that?
You know, people that overdose,right?
That can be a big thing for aloved one to go and speak about

(30:55):
fentanyl.
Like I have a couple people thathave lost loved ones through
fentanyl, you know, and I cansee them at some point becoming
either opening some kind ofnonprofit or being on a stage
talking to high schoolers aboutthe dangers of it, you know.
And I think on a soul level,that is part of that contract of

(31:17):
death.
Like, okay, I'm gonna go thisway, but then you're you are
gonna now take it to a right oflike a bigger platform.

SPEAKER_01 (31:26):
Yeah.
And I and I can see too thatsome people might have that
story, like they have the storyof their loss, and that they
they have moved through thehero's journey, they've moved
through the process, and nowthey're the quiet empaths in
their worlds where they canrelate in the friend group to

(31:46):
the new person that's lostsomeone, and that they're just
the shoulder to cry on becausethere's something to relate to.
Like, for for my my my myweekend has been very much uh of
people in my world movingthrough divorce.
And the reason why that theypeople tend to come to me is

(32:06):
because I've been through onevery traumatic divorce and
another very easy, soft divorce,but I've seen the range of it.
And so people look to me.
So it's almost like I might notstart a divorce support group, I
might not do it in a loud way,but then there I am.

(32:26):
I'm the person who is availablewhen you're when shit hits the
fan in your life, and this isthe this is where it's leading.
People know to seek me out andbe like, okay, what do I do?
Exactly.
And so even though it might notbe a big expression, I didn't
open a nonprofit or a safe houseor you know, these types of
things, it's also knowing that Ican be a safe person to confide

(32:52):
in.
Yeah.
To go, this is where I'm at,this is how hard it is.
And for me to be like, I knowexactly how that feels.
And this is how I know you'regonna be okay.

SPEAKER_02 (33:03):
No, and that's that's great too.
It's it doesn't have to be bigand you know, grand.
It it literally is becoming thespaceholder for people who are
going through the sameexperiences, right?
That's like-minded in that,right?
They're seeking somebody who hasgone through it.
And when you become that safeperson for them, that is big

(33:26):
medicine.
That is big medicine for thegriever, for the person that has
been, you know, feels shackledin their heart, that feels
blocked and heavy.
And how do you get back to life?
You know, um, one of ourcomments is talking about um
linear time.
And yes, in our world, we livein time, space, reality, right?

(33:47):
Which is linear.
But when we can become theobserver beyond what the
constructs of our worldrepresents, we can see that
we're in cycles.
Everything is a cycle.
Our seasons, our nature, ourlike what is natural to our
planet is all lives in cycles.
And so we too can live in a youknow, in our own way through

(34:12):
cycles of life so that we canrelease them and move through
them and heal them and givethanks to them.
And um, to me, that's it.
That's that shaman way, that'sthat walk, that's that medicine
will of how is it?
It goes within, it goes without,you know.
So we're always doing thisinward, outward healing process

(34:34):
versus saying, you know, in oneyear I'm gonna be here because
you might not know where you'regonna be.

unknown (34:40):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (34:41):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (34:42):
Yeah.
And for everything, there is aseason, you know, I feel like,
and recognizing in that seasonthat you can hold more than just
one emotion, that you can holdyou can it can be it can be more
dynamic in whatever seasonyou're in.
And it's like, how do I for tokind of bring it back to the

(35:03):
holidays?
How do I honor where I'm at inthis moment and this season of
my life, and this where I'm atin my current journey?
How do you create that moment ofremembrance and honoring into
your family holiday traditions?
Right.
So maybe that there is a candlelit with a pitcher near your

(35:25):
Christmas tree.
Maybe it is some type of smalllittle ritual of having uh their
favorite dish made, or whateverit may be that you're doing this
as a an offering for the loss inyour life.

SPEAKER_02 (35:41):
Yeah.
An empty seat, a spot, a spacefor spirit, you know, at the
table.
That is okay too.
In ceremony, a lot of times youit's like a requirement to have
a space for spirit to sit and tojoin.
And so it's okay to do thosethings.

SPEAKER_03 (35:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (36:00):
My first year with my son, I bought him flowers
every every month on the sixth.
I created an altar, and everymonth on the sixth, he had fresh
flowers.
And I did that for the wholefirst year.
And I thought for his the restof my life, I thought I was
gonna do that because it was sofor me, it was the recognize

(36:21):
recognition of him.
Like I'm honoring you, and myhonoring of him has shifted into
different things.
Um, now I just communicate.
Now I just know I feel hisenergy, I know when he's around,
kind of thing.
And I just talk to him.
And it, even if I don't feelthat, I just communicate.
But there's it has shifted overthe years, but that whole first

(36:43):
year and during the holidays, I,you know, I'd have a bowl of
candy or I would make his food.
And it's okay to do that, even20 years out.
If there's if it's on yourheart, listen to yourself,
listen to your intuition, right?

SPEAKER_01 (36:59):
I love how part of that ritual was planning ahead
for the hard days that you knewthat the sixth might be a hard
day.
And how do I make space andhonor for those hard days?
And even if it's the deathanniversary, how can we
recognize and give space tomaybe that's a day that you need
to take off?

(37:19):
Maybe you need to have extraself-care that week.
Like, I have a very close friendwhere September is the month
that is just incredibly hard forher.
She's had multiple deaths thathappen in that month.
And I'm like, this is the monthwhere we start therapy again.
And this is the month where youmake sure you're exercising.

(37:40):
This is the month that you makesure you have a massage schedule
once a week or whateverself-care that feels good to
her.
I'm I'm there in August going,Hey, are you ready?
Are you are you setting yourselfup to make it through the hard
month?
Right.
And so it's kind of like as wemove through the holidays, it

(38:00):
can feel like that.
It can feel like just a hardfucking month.
Yes.
Right?
It can.
So it's kind of like, what areyou doing to set yourself up to
feel supported?
Not to feel great, not to feelcelebratory, but just feel like
you're supported.
How can you ask for help?
How can you say, what's going tobe supportive to me?

(38:23):
Maybe you need someone in yourlife to take your kids to their
activities.
Maybe you need someone to showup with a meal.
Maybe, maybe there's someerrands that someone else can do
for you.
And like it's it's recognizingwhere what energy capacity do
you have and letting that becommunicated.
You know what it's it's um, Ilove, I kind of love this

(38:46):
because I was talking to my sonrecently about video games and
how they that you know what whatyour health points are or HP and
what score you have.
And how do you know that someonesomeone in the game is about to
die?
And it's like they're whoa, theylost so many hearts, or they
don't have enough shields, oryou know, it's very gamified,
right?
And I was like, maybe I need todo that with you.

(39:08):
Like with my autoimmune, youwould have no idea how I'm doing
from just looking at me, how I'mdoing physically or emotionally.
You won't, right?
And so maybe I need to set up ascoreboard in the house to show
you where I'm at physically andemotionally, so that you know
when something happens, insteadof teasing me and and you know,

(39:34):
making jokes about it that Ican't emotionally handle because
I don't have that capacitybecause my my hearts are down.
That instead of you teasing, youcould say, wow, that sounds
really stressful.
How can I support you right now?
So I'm training my son to go,how do I support you right now?
instead of teasing me aboutwhatever it is.

(39:55):
Sometimes it's that we need to,how do we communicate with our
loved ones?
Because on the outside, it mightlook like we're fine.
It might look like we've got itall under fucking control.
And maybe we don't.
And so, how do we let the peopleclosest to us see where we're
at?

SPEAKER_02 (40:16):
I just saw like um like so magnets one through
five, gauge it on therefrigerator, nonverbal.
There it is.
I'm at a three today.
I'm at a four.
I'm at a five.
So he doesn't even need to havea conversation with you.
He can just see it, have thatvisual.
No, mom is not feeling welltoday, or mom's at a one.
Okay, today's the day I cantease mom because she's feeling

(40:38):
good and she's gonna be able totease me back, you know, or
whatever.
So yeah, that's actually areally good idea, or color
something.
Something.
Um, because I think there'screating something in the house,
right?

SPEAKER_01 (40:50):
And being able to ask for help too.
Right.
Well, and I think that's whereoftentimes you if you're so in
your grief, if you're so in theemotion of it, you don't know
how to ask.
Right?
Like there's it's a lot ofeffort to figure out what do I
need to, what do I need to askfor.
Versus if you have people inyour world that know if you are

(41:15):
low, these are the five topthings that I should I could
offer right now.
It takes the pressure off of thegriever to go, I need to come up
with something.
I need to make that meal plan oror create the the list of chores
that need to do.
It's kind of like if if you knowthat you're at low energy mode,

(41:35):
offer to do the dishes, offer todo the laundry.
Like these are the things thatthat back me up and make me
fuller, feeling more in myemotions of overwhelm.
How can we so it's like gettingahead of it?
Okay, I know that December isgonna be a hard month.
The holidays are always hard forme.
This is how I'm gonnacommunicate where I'm at.

(41:57):
And when you see that I'm inthis low space, please offer to
do the laundry.
Please offer to make a meal.
Like, don't ask me what I needbecause I don't know how to
respond to that.
I think there's so much, so manyof us that have a really hard
time communicating.
We we always ask, what can I doto help?
What can I do to support?
But if that griever doesn'tknow, yeah, it's so much easier

(42:21):
to be like, are you okay if Icame over and did your dishes
today?

SPEAKER_02 (42:26):
Yeah.
And those are great tips forpeople who are not the griever
for sure.
Because I think a lot of peopleare always like, I don't know
what to say or do.
And it really isn't about whatyou say, it's holding space for
others.
But also, yeah, sometimes it is.
Come and help watch the kids fora little bit.
Let mom or dad or whoever, youknow, go take a nap and and just

(42:49):
go zone out and just focus onthemselves, you know, and and
because it is in the verybeginning, everyone crowds
around.
But then once the funeral's doneand all that's done, everyone
goes back to their life.
And a lot of people tend toforget, oh yeah, you were
grieving.
Oh yeah, how are you doing?
You know, I haven't talked toyou in a few months.
And there's almost like thispushback where people are they

(43:12):
they are in fear of contactingthe griever because they haven't
been in their life for so long.
You know, like life got busy.
I haven't seen you in a couplemonths.
But you know, the thing is isthe griever is probably more
lost in their self than thinkingabout, oh, I haven't seen you in
two months.
Right.
You know, where have you been?
No, they're they're right here.

(43:34):
They're so much in their ownpain and suffering that they're
not worried about what anybodyelse is doing.
So I think that's where egocomes in sometimes, and and not
in a negative way, but it's wealways think of ourselves first,
like, oh my gosh, I haven't beenthere and I'm such a terrible
friend.
Well, just show up and you canshow up.
Right.
And don't be all apologetic andmake it all dramatic.

(43:55):
Just come in.
I'm here, love you, missed you.
Life's been busy.
What do you need?
Let's do this.
I'm gonna wash your dishes, I'mgonna watch your kids, I'm you
know, I'm gonna make you a cupof tea while you go sit outside
and get some sun.
Simple things, right?

SPEAKER_01 (44:10):
Right.
I think that that's it.
It's the um those simple,smaller gestures can mean so
much for people who are reallyin the thick of it.
And so recognizing who in yourworld might this be a very
difficult month for.
And instead of making a plate ofcookies, can you make a meal?

(44:33):
Yeah.
Cookies are great.
I'm all for Christmas cookies,but maybe it's it's recognizing
that this this week that theycan't get out of bed, that
they're in grief mode, thatthey're so in the emotions that
showing up to be supportive inthe way of everyday life of
going, you know, let me takeyour kids to the zoo or to see

(44:56):
the Christmas lights, and youget to stay home.
Like those little gestures justto lessen the load so that
there's less overwhelm.
You do what you need to do, andI'm gonna take something off of
your plate can just be a hugesupport.

SPEAKER_02 (45:12):
Yeah.
And even if we're not justtalking um death, let's talk
about like the newly single mom,the newly single dad, people
going through divorce, peoplegoing through loss of job,
people that are going through,you know, there's so many things
that just found out they gotcheated on.
Whatever the grief is, there arethings that can take you out

(45:33):
just as equal as if you had justlost somebody.
You know, because we don't knowhow we're going to respond to
any level of grief in life, anylevel of loss.
And so, you know, just thinkingof like, yeah, people who go
through separation and divorce,like it's not easy on the single
parent to now manage two, three,four kids on their own.

(45:55):
So sometimes, you know, steppingin and just saying, hey, yeah,
let me help you with that for aminute.
That can be like such a huge,like, go cry, you know, because
a lot of times parents don'tfeel like they can cry in front
of their kids because then theirkids are like, Why are you
crying?
What's going on?

SPEAKER_01 (46:11):
And you can't say, well, your dad or your mom.
Right, exactly.
Like, I am I'm very much the youknow, the um transition on the
transition team of saying, we'regonna hold it together for our
kids, but the moment thatthey're gone, we need to crash
out and be angry, be messy, becrying, like don't suppress the

(46:35):
emotions, but there is a timeand place to pull that shit
together.
Right?
And unfortunately, that's theway it is, especially when it
comes to divorce.
I'm going, you need to show upfor this therapy in this way or
this mediation this way, or thislawyer appointment this way, so
that you can be seen in thesystem as stable.

(46:55):
Right?
So be stable when you have to bestable and really move through
the emotions when you have theavailability to.
I am all for the rage rooms, I'mall for the therapy sessions
where you're just you're dumpingemotionally.
Like I think there's places andspaces for all of these things
so that if you are movingthrough the grief of losing a

(47:19):
spouse, that you can also showup for your kids and also go, I
need everyone to have sleepoversthis weekend.
I need everyone, I need to havethe kids be with a third party
so I can do what I need to dofor me.

SPEAKER_02 (47:36):
Yeah.
Yeah, because unfortunately, notall like from my experience, my
ex didn't stick around.
So I was a fully single mom.
And um, there was no moments ofother than my kids were older,
so they had friends, they wereteenagers, you know.
Um, so they were able to leavethe house, be a little more
independent, but still there wasno time to say, okay, you're

(47:58):
going to your dad's for theweekend, and I'm just gonna cry
and purge and you know, do mything, cry for or sleep for 48
hours.
I there wasn't that time andspace.
I found it within my own, butit's difficult.
Right.
You know, it's difficult onparents, and um, so I definitely
do see that there is a need forthat.

(48:19):
And at the same time, familiesdon't look at that as the same
level of grief as losing a lovedone.
Yeah, right.
And so I just want to give thatawareness that you know what,
your new divorcees, they'regoing through it.

SPEAKER_01 (48:33):
So, you know, support them too.
Right.
And giving yourself permission,if you're you're the griever, to
go, you know what?
Doing the best I can may meanputting my kids in front of the
television.
Yeah.
And going into the bathroom andturning on the water and crying
so that they can't hear you,right?

(48:54):
That that is amazing.
You're giving yourself the timeand space to do what you need to
do for you, and they're safe.
They're okay.
They're okay to put them infront of the TV if that is the
option.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (49:08):
If low, low budget meals, low, you know, like if
you don't need to be in thekitchen cooking up those big old
like five-course meals orwhatever that used to happen
when someone was around becauseyou just don't have the energy
to do it that night.
Don't don't put that extrapressure because what will end
up happening is that pressurethat we put on ourselves, that

(49:29):
expectation to keep everythinglooking perfect, will collapse.
Those masks do fall, thatstructure collapses, and then
physically you're not only seenfor what you couldn't keep
together and hold together, butyou feel all of that too.
So it's like, no, it is reallytime to just give yourself the
grace and the time to do theinner work and to really hold

(49:54):
yourself when you need to.

SPEAKER_03 (49:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:56):
Yep, absolutely.
I have, I've, I'm definitely theperson that um tells my my
friends that are going throughgrief and my clients that, you
know, if you don't have enoughenergy to do the dishes, then,
you know, leave the dishwasherclean.
Take out what you need, put thedirty dishes back in and run it
again.
There is no judge out theresaying that this is the right

(50:20):
and only way to do the dishes.
And you deserve to have cleandishes.
So just run the damn thingagain.

SPEAKER_03 (50:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (50:26):
You know, it's like take the shortcuts that you
don't even necessarily thinkabout.
But if it's like, yeah, my kidsare gonna eat mac and cheese for
the third meal in the row,whatever.
They will they will get throughthis, they will one day have
balanced dietary needs met atsome point.
This might not be the week.

(50:47):
It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 (50:49):
Girl, this is not your week, kid, and it's all
right.
Here's a box of mac and cheese.

SPEAKER_00 (50:55):
Right.
It's okay, it's okay.
And I think we need to giveourselves permission to not be
the perfect parents a hundredpercent of the time.

SPEAKER_01 (51:05):
Yeah, our kids need to know that there's no such
thing as like the perfectparent, that we have emotions
too.

SPEAKER_02 (51:14):
Yeah, right, especially when you're going
through a toxic divorce whereone parent is really strong at
pretending they're the perfectparent.
And a lot of times, even thatparent is pretending, yeah, you
know, when they're attacking momor attacking dad, like you're
not perfect because you'relashing out your anger and

(51:35):
control.
So there's a lot to it.
But yes, there is a lot of griefand a lot of time that you know
this season can be bringing upright now.
And so it's just like I said,giving yourself that, being able
to temperature gauge where youare, where you want to be,
right?
Um recognizing if things are waytoo overstimulating for you.

(51:58):
It's okay to step out and take abreath and just go be for a
moment.

SPEAKER_01 (52:03):
Yeah, exactly.
And recognizing where can Iinvite that gentle
self-compassion?
Right.
Like, where can I invite in thegrace?
Give yourself grace of going,you know, I don't have the
energy today, and that's okay.
Today I might need a salt bath,and therefore my kids need to go
watch TV.
Like, where can you monitor yourself-thoughts and going when

(52:26):
your brain is going, I'm afailure, I couldn't keep it
together, of going, you knowwhat?
I made it through the day, andthat's enough for today.
Like, how can you speak toyourself in kindness and
reassurance and non-permanence?
Just because you're feeling thisin this moment does not mean
that you're gonna feel thisforever.

SPEAKER_02 (52:45):
No, that's what I was just thinking.
I'm like, come January,everyone's gonna feel different
because for whatever reason, theshift of that calendar,
everyone's like, new year, newme.
But there comes a new vitalenergy to that.
So come January, you're gonnafeel different anyway.
So it is there is no permanenceto any of it.

(53:07):
Yeah, right.
If I was to say 12 years ago, Ithere's no way I could even be
where I'm at right now becauseof the amount of pain and
suffering I was going through.
Um, even though I was a, youknow, I consciously grieved and
everything, but to see, to beable to project where you're
going to be, don't, don't,because you might just surprise

(53:28):
yourself.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (53:29):
You know, yeah.
Yeah, and it's taking those onemoment at a time.
And so let's say you're out withyour children and you're looking
at Christmas lights, or you goto church, or whatever it may be
for you, and you find that onemoment in your in your body that
feels joy and recognizing thatjoy doesn't betray your grief

(53:51):
and that you can allow thosemoments of kindness, of joy, of
love, and that is okay to sellit, like to allow your body to
feel that as well.

SPEAKER_02 (54:06):
Yeah, for sure.
And if you find yourself on theopposite end of the spectrum and
you're angry all the time andyou're yelling and you're just
really intense, it's okay atthat point to call somebody up
and say, Hey, I need a break.
Can you come help with the kidsor whatever it is?
Like that's when you're askingfor like self-care, you're

(54:29):
asking for others to help you.
Sometimes that's it.
Like, I don't want to be seen asthis angry person, but sometimes
we got to let that out.
And that's what you're sayingwith rage rooms and stuff.
But we need to always know wherewe are regulating from and what
is becoming a pattern and habit.

SPEAKER_03 (54:47):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (54:47):
So, yes, there are emotions to go through with
anger and sadness and grief andeverything, and to let the joy
come in.
But if you do feel like you'regetting stuck in a certain
emotion, a certain pattern, thenreach out, recognize it in
yourself, do some self-recare,self-reiki, go see somebody that

(55:08):
does Reiki, you know, um, go toa group, anything like that.
Call for some support so thatdoesn't become your primary
emotion.

SPEAKER_01 (55:17):
Yes, right?
Like, how are we getting stuckand stagnant in an emotional
block?
Right.
Yes.
And then, and so if the anger isshowing up, how can I lean into
anger?
It's not suppressing it.
It's when we suppress theemotions that want to keep
showing up again and again andagain.
And that's why I love these ragerooms where it's like, I'm gonna

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fully allow my whole body tofeel angry.
I'm gonna feel angry in my toes,I'm gonna feel angry on my hips
and my elbows and my earlobes,like let it, let it happen.
You know, turn on angry pinky.
I have an angry pinky and justlet it out.
And I love those containersbecause when you fully allow

(55:57):
yourself to feel the anger,eventually you're gonna find
whatever is underneath it, andusually that sadness, right?
And so you might start out inthat rage room, all you're
dressed and padded in, so thatyou can take that baseball bat
and and you know, break shit.
Like that is the point, right?
So you're breaking shit, but atthe end, you might be a puddle
of tears on the floor.

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And guess what?
You move through the anger ofemotion, and it's gonna show up
a lot differently moving forwardafter that.

SPEAKER_02 (56:26):
Yes, because remember, emotion is energy and
motion.
We must shift it and move it andlet it out.
It's funny, I haven't been toit, um, but we have a rage room
here, and then a sip and paintjust open it up next door.
So I was like, that is so funny.
It's like go rage out, and thenwhen you're done, go next door

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and drink and paint.

SPEAKER_01 (56:49):
I was like, that's a great You know, I used to have
this fantasy of like, okay,you're gonna go to the rage
room, and then it's gonna bringyou after you're done in the
range room, it's gonna bring youthrough a long labyrinth of
self-reflection and like ameditative moot music, and then
you're gonna end up in a uhsession for a shamanic rigging
session, right?

SPEAKER_02 (57:10):
And that will be great business to have, right?

SPEAKER_01 (57:13):
Like a five-hour experience all the way through,
so that you can move through allof these emotions and eventually
get to breath work where we'rewe're moving and breathing and
feeling all of the things sothat you can move from these
heavy, fiery, whatever kind ofemotions they are, and go, I see
you, I witness you, I honor you,I'm gonna feel you, and I'm

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gonna allow whatever otheremotion to show up too, and it'd
be okay.

SPEAKER_02 (57:41):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You'd have like a room full ofmirrors where you're doing like
that soul seeing, like you'relooking at yourself, and then at
the end you're getting reiki andyou're getting drummed and
massages.
Oh my gosh.
Right.
It would be great.

SPEAKER_01 (57:56):
So in my fantasy world, that is like a room.

SPEAKER_03 (58:00):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (58:00):
Yeah, I'm like, I definitely have a fantasy world
of like the perfect setup.
And uh, I don't think it's evergonna happen.
I really think it's living in myfantasy world.
So if anyone out there islistening to this and like loves
that idea, please steal it.
Make it happen in your area andI'll come visit you.

SPEAKER_02 (58:17):
But you never know, you know?
It might be something thatactually does really keep on
tugging at you.
You're like, you know what?
I just need to go get a spaceand do that and have the
labyrinth and be able to do thatin our work.
Oh, that's actually a greatidea.
That's a great idea.
Not that we're over here likeunpacking it.

SPEAKER_00 (58:37):
Yeah, steal it.
You can take it.

SPEAKER_02 (58:40):
Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 (58:44):
I love it.
Well, I hope for our listenersout there, this gives you some
space to lean into where you areat this holiday student season.
If you are experiencing grief orany other emotion of how you can
give space to that and know thatwe are here for you.
Um, Chantel is hoping to start aconscious grievers group.

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Do you want to tell us a littlebit about your idea and when it
might start if you have thosedetails?

SPEAKER_02 (59:13):
It is a conscious grieving group, and I will be
mirroring what I do here at homein my in-person grief group.
But the thing is, is that it'salso getting coaching.
You're getting Reiki, you'regonna get journal prompts,
you're gonna be getting um, youknow, tips on how to move
through your grief.
You're we're gonna go throughall of it.
It's kind of like a spiritual,it's it's a lot that it gets

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encompassed, but it's way morethan just going and talking
about your grief, because Ithink a lot of traditional grief
groups, you get stuck in just,I'm gonna come and talk about my
grief.
And then what do you do withthat?
You leave and you don't knowwhat to do with it.
And so this is a way to come toget tangible tips on what you're

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doing with it.
You're still um purging your.
Emotions, you're talking fromyour heart, but at the same
time, you get to leave withthings that are going to help
you through your week, throughthe next couple weeks.
You come back, you can share andtalk about your journal prompts
and everything.
It's all Reiki infused, whateveris needed in the moment.
It's very intuitively led.

(01:00:18):
So I just allow my higher self,my guides to just say, hey, this
is where we're, this is how it'sshifting, this is how it's
moving.
So I meet your needs whereyou're at.
Um, and so we're gonna bestarting that here in the next
couple of weeks.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:31):
I love it.
I can't wait.
And we'll get more informationout to you guys.
It will be in the show notes.
And um just keep your eye out.
That's coming.
So if you will find yourself inthe holidays in the thick of it,
know that you can reach out toChantel directly and do a
one-on-one session, or you canum enroll and sign up for the

(01:00:53):
conscious grief group.
Thank you so much for offeringthat.
I think it's gonna be amazing.
I think it's definitely gonnameet a need in our community.
And I know it's been somethingthat you've been thinking about
for probably two years now.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:04):
Yeah, I get so many messages.
Like, do you do that online?
And it's like, no, it's only inperson, but I'm definitely at
the place now where I just seesuch a huge need.
And yeah, there's so muchinformation to bring to the
table that it's time.
It's time for us to grievedifferent in a way more like

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healing fashion, I think.
Yeah, it's transformational.
People change.
It's it's amazing.
So it's called Through the Veil,Conscious Grieving.
So um, if you see that out therein our group and everything,
you'll know where to find it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:42):
Beautiful.
Well, thank you so much forsharing your whispers of wisdom
with us today, Chantel.
And we will see you all nexttime.
Have a beautiful week, everyone.
Enjoy the holidays.
Bye, everyone.
Sending you all love.
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