Embracing Your Truth: Shamanism, Authenticity, and the Spiral of Healing

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What if your spiritual path was never meant to follow someone else’s map?

In this illuminating episode, Christine Renee, Isabel Wells, and Chantelle Ochoa explore how shamanism provides a powerful foundation for authentic spiritual growth—precisely because it's rooted in direct experience, not dogma.

Together, they challenge spiritual hierarchies and the belief that healing means fixing what’s broken. Instead, they invite you to remember that beneath the layers of trauma and conditioning, your true self is already whole. Through personal stories and deep insights, they share how shamanic practices help peel away the “sticky notes” of limiting beliefs to reveal the essence of who you’ve always been.

In this episode, we explore:

• Shamanism as a path of direct, embodied spiritual experience
• Why authenticity may be an even higher vibration than love
• Embracing both joy and pain as sacred parts of the human journey
• Unique expressions of shamanism—from neuroscience to journeywork to nature wisdom
• The myth of spiritual “perfection” and the invitation to be fully human
• How healing is less about fixing, and more about remembering
• Releasing limiting beliefs and outdated identities
• Trusting your intuition as a compass on your unique spiritual path
• Letting go of comparison and embracing your enough-ness
• Shamanism as a way to reconnect with your original essence

If you’ve ever felt out of place on your spiritual journey, this conversation is a liberating reminder that your path is sacred—just as it is. Tune in and rediscover the power of walking your truth.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine René,
isabel Wells and Chantelle Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.

(00:26):
Each week we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and

(00:49):
balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Welcome, welcome back toanother amazing episode here on
the Wisdom Rising podcast.
I'm your host for today, isabelWells, and in today's episode

(01:10):
I'm joined with Christine Reneeand Chantel Ochoa for a special
encore to last week's episode.
Last week here on the show wetalked about the importance of
embracing your unique spiritualpath and it was so popular that
we're back for part two talkingabout how shamanism can help you
awaken to that unique spiritualpath.
So in today's conversation weexplore why we lay shamanism and

(01:34):
Reiki as the foundation of ourown spiritual practices, how
this isn't a one-size-fits-allapproach.
But because shamanism is rootedin direct lived experience, it
allows you to take what you'velearned, bring it into your own
life and decide what works foryou.
Take what resonates, leave whatdoesn't, and we really touch on

(01:54):
that idea and explore how we'vedone that in our own personal
spiritual practices.
So the ways that we allowourselves myself, christine and
Chantel to embrace our uniquespiritual path, and how you
don't need permission fromanyone else to explore something
that's unique or individual oroutside the box, but how we show
up in our authenticity so thatyou can as well.

(02:17):
We also talk about howauthenticity is a stronger
vibration than love, the layersof spiritual dust, trauma or
limiting beliefs that we beginto peel off.
The layers of spiritual dust,trauma or limiting beliefs that
we begin to peel off.
The importance of findingsymbolism in everyday moments,
and so much more.
This was a fantasticconversation and if you are
curious about the shamanic pathand how it can open you up to

(02:40):
finding your own unique pathforward, your own unique path to
embodying your highest, truestself, then this episode is for
you.
As I mentioned early on in theepisode, we do have a very
exciting announcement at the endof today's episode.
You might have heard it lastweek as well if you tuned into
that episode.
So be sure to stick around tothe end to hear what we have

(03:02):
coming up for the Moon Risingcommunity.
And, of course, in the meantime, don't forget to join us over
in our Moon Rising ShamanicMystics Facebook group, a
community of 4,500 amazingindividuals who are walking this
path, this shamanic path, thespiritual path, their unique
path, right alongside you andasking the questions, sharing
the ideas to help keep us allaligned and connected.

(03:24):
And, of course, don't forget tosubscribe to the podcast or
find us over on YouTube to seethe video version of today's
episode.
We're so glad you're here andwe hope you enjoy today's
episode.
Let's go to the show.
Welcome, welcome back to anotheramazing conversation.
I am so excited to be joinedwith Christine and Chantel today
A nice little treat for allthree of us to be back in the

(03:47):
same Zoom room togetherrecording this, so I'm really
excited.
This is a part two to lastweek's conversation on embracing
your unique spiritual path, andtoday we're kind of taking it
on a slightly different approachand really looking at
specifically shamanism, becauseyou know we're Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute, we're allthings shamanism here, and so we

(04:08):
really want to look at how doesthat filter into the idea that
everybody has their uniquespiritual path, because I think
sometimes people see that wefocus on a couple of modalities
and think, oh well, that'sprescribing a
you-have-to-do-it-this-way kindof approach and that's really,
really not where we're comingfrom.
So I would love to dive intothat today too.
But before we get started, besure to stick around to the end,

(04:31):
where we have a very specialannouncement for you guys on
this same topic.
So be sure to stick around tothe end.
But, christine and Chantel,where do you want to start?

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, I guess I want to start by saying you know,
start.
Well, I guess I want to startby saying you know, we all
identify as shamanicpractitioners, shamanic Reiki
practitioners, and all of ourpractices are unique.
They're they're not copycats ofone another.
And so I just want to start offby going like it's a space and
place that we embrace ourindividuality, our own spiritual

(05:03):
gifts, the way we lean into itas something to be appreciated
and honored, and not like you'renot doing it my way, you know,
and so I think that's anotherthing that I really want to show
and reveal to all of ourlisteners is that, like it's
okay, it's okay, all of it'sokay that we don't need to match

(05:24):
one another or have someone,someone or some type of specific
practice put on a pedestalright.
Like I think there's afoundation in our practices of
shamanic journey work, but it'sit's not the end.
All be all for each, for all ofus.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, totally agree with that.
It's interesting, yes, becauseour foundation is very shamanic,
but we do approach it in adifferent way and we honor each
other and're connecting to thatreally deep medicine within us,

(06:06):
whether it's connecting tonature, connecting to herbs,
doing any kind of medicine,reiki, it just feels very like.
For me, it's the remembering ofcoming back to self.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, oh, I love that .
And you know, for me, I thinkthat's really.
I love that phrase that yousaid of remembering how to come
back to self, because that, forme, I think that's really.
I love that phrase that yousaid of remembering how to come
back to self, because that, forme, that's always where these
practices come back to is, yeah,for all of us.
We have this foundation inReiki and we have this
foundation in shamanic work, andthe reason we have that

(06:38):
foundation is because it's whathas helped us feel that solid,
deep connection to ourselves, tonature and to spirit.
And one of the things that Ilove about shamanism especially
is the fact that it is, first ofall, it's so abundantly ancient
.
You know like shamanism comesfrom animism, which is the

(06:59):
belief that the world around usis alive, and it's really
applied animism.
It's looking at, if we saw theworld as alive, if we saw the
world as filled with spirit, howwould we interact with it?
And shamanism is kind of theanswer to that question.
And so it's not like it's aman-made quote-unquote technique
in the fact that we've justkind of like pulled a bunch of

(07:20):
random things together andcalled it a modality.
It's really as centuries andgenerations of people have
walked on the earth and lookedat.
How can I interact more deeply,how can I connect to myself and
nature and the divine?
What happens, what are thepractices that naturally come
out of that curious exploration?

(07:40):
And for me, that's whyshamanism makes such a beautiful
foundation for a spiritualpractice, because it's all based
on direct experience.
There's not a single thing inshamanism that we're going to
say you're going to have to takeour word for it.
You know what I mean.
It's all based on.
Here's the idea, here's thetheory, here's the thing that
we're looking at Now.

(08:02):
Go out in the world andexperience it.
Go talk to a tree, go do ajourney, Go see what happens
when you connect with yourchakras or whatever it is.
And then what does that feellike for you?
What comes up for you?
I tell our students all thetime in journey work when they
get so caught up in like, well,but I didn't see this thing or I
didn't do it the way thatChristine or Chantel or you did

(08:23):
it.
It's like what happens does notmatter.
It's the meaning that you pullfrom what's happening and that
is completely up to you how youdecide to decipher and integrate
and apply.
Everything is completely up toyou, and for me, that's part of
what makes shamanism such a goodpathway into embracing your
unique path in spirituality isit's all about what happened for

(08:47):
you, you know.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, it's the symbolic messages that are meant
for you, so how we could alljourney to the same location,
the same idea, right, and we'reall going to come back with
different visions, differentideas, different knowings,
because it's how we'reinterpreting what we're feeling,
seeing and experiencing, and wemight come back with the same
exact message, but we're goingto see it or feel it in a

(09:11):
different way.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
You know, what it reminds me of is everyone's four
directions are a littledifferent.
Whether you're talking aboutindigenous tribes, they might
interpret it different.
There's not a blanket rule thatthe East has to mean this and
the South has to be this right.
It really is about yourgeographical location and

(09:35):
feeling the energy of the landand what comes forward in that
space, and so it's almost this.
It feels similar in the factthat, like you step into the
spirit world and be like who'sgoing to show up for me here?
Who, who, if I'm calling themthe directions of the South,
what, what spirit animal isgoing to show up in the South?

(09:55):
What element is showing up inthe South?
What?
What energy is showing up fromthe South?
What emotional capacity isshowing up from the South?
Right, and so that's going tobe unique regarding if you're in
Montana, like I am, orTennessee, like Isabel, or
California, like Chantel, or ifI'm in Tibet, or if I'm in Peru,
or if I'm in Africa, likethey're all going to be very

(10:16):
dependent upon what the natureis supporting you with around
you.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, and the other aspect of it too is in that,
right, like, part of the reasonthat those directions get to be
so different is because, again,it's about your relationship
with the land, your relationshipwith your guides and your
relationship with nature, andseeing it again with those
animist eyes.

(10:42):
So we can look around and sayeverything around me is filled
with spirit, everything aroundme is filled with wisdom,
everything around me has purpose.
And so what knowledge, whatwisdom, what call to connection
and community can I receive fromeverything around me?
And I think about this a lot interms of our purpose, right?
I think anytime we talk about aspiritual path for anybody,

(11:06):
it's always going to come backto this idea of, like, what's
our purpose?
You know this idea that we havethis one path that we're
supposed to follow.
And when we look at nature, youknow, if we put on our animist
glasses and we look outside andwe look at the trees or we look
at the birds, or we look at theindividual flowers or the clouds
or whatever it is like, pickyour favorite element of nature

(11:26):
when you look at that.
There's no questioning there,right?
The trees don't question ifthey're supposed to be standing
there.
The birds don't question ifthey're supposed to be migrating
right now.
They just do it.
It's part of their nature andthey understand that.
They're not here to question orto try and figure out exactly
what they're supposed to do.
They're here to follow the flowof nature and the flow of life

(11:50):
and trust that exactly wherethey're planted is where they're
meant to bloom.
Right, and I think that a lot ofthat we could learn so much,
especially from the trees.
I love the trees, right, butespecially from the trees, they
root where they are planted.
And if we look at ourselves, weare planted in our spiritual
gifts.

(12:10):
We're planted in the skillsthat we have in this lifetime.
We're planted in the soil ofour lifetimes and our
opportunities and the peoplethat are surrounding us in this
lifetime.
Right, and I think we spend sooften trying to figure out how
can I make where I'm plantedlook like everybody else's space
, so that I can rise to theoccasion and meet the

(12:33):
expectations of everybody else,when really, what we're supposed
to be looking at is where wereyou planted?
And how can you celebrate theuniqueness of that and trust
that you were planted there fora reason, that your spiritual
path, your spiritual gifts,planted there for a reason that
your spiritual path, yourspiritual gifts are unique for a
reason, and we're not here.
Our job isn't to question thatin this lifetime.
It's to embrace and get curiousabout how can we live those

(12:56):
fully in this lifetime, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, it definitely feels like there's like that I
mean you said it so well.
I'm like how can I add to this?
Like I think the all of the ashumans, we get so conditioned
right, we're so conditioned andprogrammed and all of those
things and how do we strip awaythose conditioning and those
programs to get to our authenticself, like I, I definitely feel

(13:25):
like authenticity is thehighest vibe you can get, right,
is your authentic truth, yourauthentic wisdom, your authentic
showing up.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
There was actually a study about this recently.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
There was a study where they tested.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I think it was like your electromagnetic field,
right, and they were liketesting different emotions and
frequencies, and I, if Iremember correctly, don't quote
me on this.
I'll find a link and I'll postit.
But if I remember correctly,the vibration of authenticity
was 10 times stronger than thevibration of love.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yes, right, I think this is what, like, the
spiritual community has grown toknow.
I don't think it always was likethere was, has been so much in
the past of love and light, highvibes, only, like all of those
things, and I and I, I always itjust didn't resonate Like.
I always kind of came back tolike I get uh inspired, I get a

(14:18):
little feisty, I get a little umbigger when I have something
that doesn't doesn't resonateand I get to talk about it,
right Like.
So if someone tells me you haveto do spirituality this way and
be in the box and show up andthis, this look or whatever
cause that will make you quote,unquote spiritual, I'm not going

(14:38):
to be the first person to belike that's bullshit, right Like
.
And so it's very, it's alwaysbeen if I'm in my most authentic
truth, my most authentic voice,and what if I gave permission
for others to do so?
Because right in there, in andof itself, I'm accepting that

(14:58):
I'm unique and honoring thoseother people and their
uniqueness yeah, and what italso does, because within even
the spiritual realm is there'sattachments to even spirituality
, right?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
So many people have an attachment to how it's
supposed to look, how they'resupposed to do it, what they're
supposed to feel, and thatremoves them from their
authentic self.
So when you are authentic towhere you are, how you walk, how
you show up, that love andlight gets to be there.
But we also have to have thebalance of shadow and light,

(15:31):
right?
So that's, you know, duality,polarity, like that's what's
happening here is we live inthat universal law of having
light and dark, and so if we'reignoring the shadow self or
ignoring the darker sides ofourself, then yes, it's like,
what part of us are we ignoring?
And how can you be authentic ifyou're just trying to suppress

(15:52):
this part of you whicheventually is going to show up
anyway and always will.
Right, because the more youheal, the more you work on you,
the more you become authentic.
Those versions are going tostart showing up, they can't
hide forever.
Authentic, those versions aregoing to start showing up, they
can't hide forever.
And so it's like for me beingauthentic versus like having
that love and light, which I doadore, that because I feel like,

(16:14):
with the intention behind it,it's so it can be so powerful,
but with the understanding toothat it means that I'm shining
my love to you, versus I'm justover here saying love and light
because I work on my shadow allthe time, but it is coming
forward and being trulyauthentic to what our spiritual
message is for ourself.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, and in that, especially with shamanism, you
know, and obviously this isabout embracing your unique
spiritual path and theoretically, if you're listening to this,
you're called to shamanism insome way.
But obviously there are so many, many ways to find that
connection to self right and tofind that balance.

(16:57):
And I think for us, part of thereason that shamanism calls to
us so deeply is because itdoesn't turn away from the
darkness or the shadow calls tous so deeply is because it
doesn't turn away from thedarkness or the shadow.
Like part of shamanic work isbeing able to look at and
acknowledge where your shadowsare.
Where is the darkness, whereare the limiting beliefs, where
are the scars, where are thewounds, where are the things
that you try to turn away from?
And instead of pushing themaway right, because then, like

(17:19):
Chantel said, we've immediatelystepped out of authenticity Can
we look at them and embrace them?
And a lot of times I thinkpeople end up thinking, well, if
I'm embracing them, thenthey're never going to change,
right?
But the beauty of shamanism is,again, if we look out our
window at the nature outside.
Nature is constantly evolving,it's constantly growing, it's
constantly looking at what needsto change and shift to come

(17:43):
back into balance and harmony.
Right.
And so, again, like if we lookat the trees, if they get a
fungus or they get an infection,they're not going to ignore it.
Right, they reach out to theircommunity, they use those
mycelial networks to say, hey,something's wrong.
How can we restore the balance,how can we restore this harmony
, knowing that the health of oneimpacts the health of everyone

(18:06):
else?
And I think in today's culturewe're chronically suppressed.
We have suppressed ourselves,both our spiritual gifts and the
things that make us unique, intrying to fit into the mold.
But we've also suppressed ourshadows and our wounds and
forgotten that those are theplaces where growth blooms.
Growth happens at the edge ofyour comfort zone.

(18:29):
It's kind of like a cheesy wayof saying it, but those scars,
those wounds, are what allow usto find our spiritual gifts.
They're what allow us to becomeunique and embrace our strength
and our resilience and theseparts of ourselves that
otherwise we're not looking atif we're trying to shove those
aside.
And so, no matter what pathcalls you forward, I think it is

(18:52):
really important to findsomething that allows you the
safety and the sacred space tobe able to look at all of you
and recognize it as worthy andnot feel like part of you is
better than or worse than theother just because one of them
is bathed in light and one ofyou is better than or worse than
the other just because one ofthem is bathed in light and one
of them is bathed in shadow.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, love that, yeah , being bathed in light and
bathed in shadow.
And when you were talking, Icould see us and our network
connected, like our energeticnetwork, and just how, when we
show up and I mean our communityas well when we show up, that's
what we're doing is, we arecreating that network and we're

(19:32):
all connected, right.
So when we walk on the earth,that energy goes deep into the
earth and it connects us on thatspiritual earthly realm,
because I'm very much like, veryfocused on shamanism, but I
love the bringing in from aboveand below and all of that
because it's that trueconnection.

(19:52):
But I know that when we arewalking on the earth and all of
our intentions are going deepwithin it and so we're
connecting, our own spiritual orenergetic connection is
happening right now, you know,and so we are those standing
trees, you know, so to speak,we're moving and we're beings,
but we also have that creation.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, I would love to get curious about how we each
experience that like.
I want the tangible storiesabout how our spiritual lives
look and its uniqueness.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Go ahead, Isabel.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
You're first Me first .
Well, you know it's interestingbecause we started out the
conversation talking about howwe all have this shamanic
foundation but then the way thatit manifests looks so different
.
And part of what I love aboutthat, and part of what I think
happens when you embrace yourunique spiritual path, is
understanding that it's alwaysgoing to change.
It's never going to be theexact same, and for me right now

(20:57):
that's really looking like.
I've kind of had this like fullcircle moment lately where I've
come back into being reallyinterested in neuroscience and
somatics and how our nervoussystem relates to everything.
But when I did it before I wentto school for nursing and
psychology, so I was very muchin kind of like the medical,
science-y side of things, and Idid that before I started

(21:19):
shamanism and so I had this kindof like very science-y, with a
little bit of spiritualityperspective of it.
And now that I'm coming backafter a few years, having gone
through really in-depth studiesof shamanism, it's really
fascinating to me to see all ofthe ways that my understanding
of the nervous system hasshifted because of that.
And so today my spiritualpractice doesn't necessarily

(21:42):
look like doing a shamanicjourney every day, but it does
look like.
For example, last night, I hada very rough weekend.
My nervous system was not happy, there was a lot of triggers
that came up and last night Iwas sitting there and I had been
trying to like breathe throughit, trying to do my meditations,
and like my heart's racing andmy head's pounding and I'm like
something is wrong.

(22:03):
Right, and I could sit here andI could say, well, I'm supposed
to be better than this, right,like I know all the tools, I
know how to do all this.
I should be able to just likeconnect to a guide or go hug a
tree and it should be fine,right.
But part of embracing shamanismand now in what I'm doing,
embracing the nervous system isunderstanding that sometimes,
when you're dysregulated, you'redysregulated and you have to go

(22:25):
through the process ofwitnessing the shadow, of
looking at what's crying outinside you and and letting
yourself know that it's okay todo that, like it doesn't make
you any less vulnerable, lessspiritual or any less healed or
any less anything you know.
And so for me, that was lookingat myself and sitting down and

(22:45):
like putting my legs up the walland taking a minute to like
feel into my body and noticinglike the trees don't judge
themselves for swaying in thewind right, like they bend, they
don't break, and it's okay forme to bend too, and so I feel
like for me lately it's been alot of acknowledging that
spirituality can also be veryembodied and very human, like it

(23:08):
doesn't just have to be thisreally theoretical, like I'm
going to light a candle and holda crystal and go on a journey
and everything will be better.
It's like sometimes you have toremember that you're human, you
know, and for me that's reallythe side of shamanism that I've
been and spirituality in generalthat I've been embracing lately
is like where are the placeswhere we're allowed to be human

(23:30):
and to recognize that beinghealed doesn't mean we're never
going to be triggered, itdoesn't mean we're never going
to have these emotions, but itmeans that when we do have them,
we are able to use the tools towalk through them and to get
ourselves out of them.
And that's been, I think, for me, that's really been my what
Christine would call my growthedge lately is really looking at

(23:50):
all of the times where I knowthat I have the tools, I know
how to do the things and yet myinstinct is not to do them,
because I quote unquote shouldbe able to know better, right, I
should be feeling, feelingbetter, and so that's been for
me.
That's really where I'm lookingat.
It now is looking at how can Iblend all of these things that I
know the science and thespirituality and the shamanism

(24:11):
and the light and the shadow andall of it and recognize that,
like, just because I'm aspiritual teacher, whatever you
would call me, doesn't mean thatI'm not also human, you know,
yeah yeah, love.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, it was yesterday.
I was.
I was doing some shamanic Reikiwork, believe it or not, right,
and it kind of reminded me ofthe very first shamanic journey
I had into the lower world,where it was like I was in this
really cool seaweed forest and Iwas kind of floating through

(24:44):
and moving away these curtainsof seaweed and going I, where
the hell am I?
It was so unique and differentand, um, and I think that was
this reminder yesterday of I'mstill surprised at what shows up
and how they show up and whoyou call in and sometimes you're

(25:05):
not calling them in and skunkenters the room and sprays the
room because he's using hislovely perfume to clear the
energy, right, and it's justlike, okay, it's this feeling of
I'm just here, holding spaceand allowing what needs to show
up, show up.
And, um, it's been.

(25:25):
I've had a very unique,interesting relationship with
journey work.
Right Like there's definitelyplaces and spaces in the
shamanic realms that can bereally intense for me and
there's other times where and Ihave a lot of lessons, right
Like I'm constantly gettingthese lessons in the spirit
world, and last week I did ajourney and I thought that I was

(25:49):
going to go in and have thishealing and and I was instead
like kind of beat up and mypower animal was like, are you
just going to take it or are yougoing to get up and be strong
about it?
You know, like those are thetypes of lessons I get.
All the time it's like, oh yeah, I'm in a human suit.
I got to, I got to, I got to be, I got to be able to get in my

(26:10):
full energy, my full power andbe able to take up more space
and be okay, taking up morespace.
And sometimes I just need tohave my little pity party and
then like, okay, here we go,let's do the things, and
lighting the candles and holdingthe crystal and being able to
recognize this is who I am.
I think it comes back to I.

(26:32):
I am Christine, renee, this iswho I am.
I'm, I can be the fullness ofwho I am.
And however I look in spiritworld and in this physicality of
life you know so it's, it's.
I feel like even in my shamanicjourney work, it feels very
unique and different than youknow, the normal.
But I think I've also becauseof that I've experienced so much

(26:56):
in the spiritual realms I dofeel like I have one foot in the
spirit realm.
I'm one foot in the spiritrealm, I'm one foot on the
earthly world and I'm doing thisdance constantly of how much am
I over in spirit world and howmuch am I in my physicality, and
it was.
And when I go into a space whereit's like, nope, I've got one

(27:17):
pinky toe left in the physicalrealm and I'm all the way in on
the spiritual world.
What is happening here?
How can I ask for support whereI need it and ask for my guides
or angels or power animals toshow up to support me, and so,
or in the session right, like my, for the benefit of my client,

(27:38):
like it's so interesting towatch this kind of rocking back
and forth that I do in my life,and sometimes it's I got a pinky
toe in the spirit world and I'm, you know, 90% of my life.
I'm fully in my physicalitywith one pinky toe over in the
spirit world Right, and thenit's like I rock back and find
that harmony, find that balancebetween being in my human suit

(28:01):
completely and being in thespiritual realm where I can pick
up a lot of information, a lotof.
I can have a lot of reallyprofound metaphorical
experiences that speak to mylife or my client's life.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, having that balance is it can be tricky, you
know it really can, because wewe do ride the veil right Like
we're, we're through the veilback into our, our human
experience, and so, um, for meit's like definitely finding
that balance of family.

(28:39):
And what am I doing so for me,family, and what am I doing so
for me?
Like my shamanic practice thatI do is when I do connect to
nature, so like, for example,yesterday we were just hanging
out back and you know I wastelling you guys that you know I
was floating in the pool andyou know, but I work with the
elements, so it's like I'mworking with the water and I'm

(29:00):
calling in the wind and you know, listening to the birds and
what messages come through, andthen I kind of like catnapped in
the pool and then it wasinteresting because my husband
and I were having someconversations yesterday and what
I was trying to convey to himwasn't really like being
conveyed the way I thought.
You know I was speaking it, soit's interesting.

(29:21):
So we're in the backyard andthen he's watering down the
plants and whatever, and there'sa bat on our screen.
Okay, it's midday.
There's no bat.
There should be no bats out forone and I don't have bats in my
neighborhood, like, I don'thave bats right here, they're
further down the road, anyway.
So he's like, oh my gosh, I have, there's a bat right here, and

(29:44):
he kind of sprayed, like when hewas spraying and it came up and
flopped and fell on the groundand then it flew away, went up
into the bush, and I was like,what does the bat represent?
So then he's looking at whatthe bat is.
So here we are now and we'rebringing in that spirit animal,
that message that only naturecan give us sometimes, right,
like something is going to crossyour path and then you're going

(30:06):
to say, okay, what does thatrepresent?
And that is, you know, looking,yes, at your shadow.
What are you hiding withinyourself that you don't want to
see?
Right, opening up newconversations, and so it was
just very interesting.
I'm like that is everything Iwas trying to convey earlier and
I go, but it couldn't be heard,so nature had to show it to you

(30:26):
.
And then he cause, it wasn't methat saw the bat, I mean, I
came to it and was like, oh mygosh, I can't believe there's a
bat there.
But it was the message for him,and so that is how working with
nature really shows up is, ifyou do need the wind to show up,
speak to it.
It's kind of like when we werein Clancy and I went and said
goodbye to the tree that youknow, my spirit tree, and then

(30:47):
the wind just came up and then,you know, went in.
I was like, was that wind foryou?
And I was like, yeah, and itwas amazing and we all can do
that right, it's just connectingand trusting that when it shows
up, that we can give thanks toit and give gratitude to it.
But there is a lot of yeah, howwe work with our thoughts.

(31:07):
And so last week I was goingthrough a lot of that and you
know, I had so many thoughts andI shared that last Friday.
But once I processed them andallowed myself to process them,
I'm okay, and I just havecertain dates in the year that I
know are going to hit medifferent, and last week was
those dates, and this week Ifeel really vibrant and good and

(31:29):
I'm like I'm okay.
You know, I'm human.
I get to fill into my grief, Iget to pull back those layers,
because that's what we're doinghere all the time.
Anyway, it's just layers thatwe are still having to peel back
.
You know, in the very beginningwe're like peeling chunks off
of ourselves and eventually weget to these little, finite
little layers that we're justkind of like peeling back and I

(31:51):
feel like that's where I'm at.
But those tiny little layerscan be really heavy, especially
if you're not having a lot ofemotional pullbacks like we used
to, and then we get hit withone.
It's like, oh, where'd thatcome from?
You know, and it is a lot ofwork.
But I was telling a client theother day.

(32:12):
She came in for an attunementand I was explaining to her
about this, about being likeanimism and all of that, and I
was like everything in my spaceis energy, right, we can all
connect to it.
And so when I was telling her,when you go home, feel into your
space, how is your homespeaking to you, how does your
energy show up when you walk inthe door, right, and so she was

(32:34):
like, well, I never thought ofit like that and I'm like, yeah,
so when you get into your car,how does your car feel to you?
How does your home feel to you?
Are you invited when you walkin, or is this the repelling
energy right, so you can tell?
And, if so, go speak to yourhome and do the cleansing and
clearings that need to happen.
And, honestly, it's alwayscoming back and balancing with

(32:56):
yourself.
So that's a lot of what I do.
It is a lot of clearing with.
I love Florida water.
Right now we use Florida water,but I'm really addicted to it
and if you've never had Floridawater, it's amazing and it just
amplifies the space and thesmells and senses.
But I'm a burner.

(33:17):
I love to sage and smudge anddo all the things because to me
it just feels like I justcleared everything so I can now
do the work within myself.
Sage and smudge and do all thethings because to me it just
feels like I just clearedeverything so I can now do the
work within myself.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's always such good lessons, right?
I think that's where you know Ilove the triad that we have
because I can lean into theneuropsychology with Isabel and
be like, okay, my nervous systemis dysregulated, right, like
I'm fully in my human suit,being fully triggered and talk

(33:48):
me down, you know, talk to myinner child, talk to my
subconscious, help me come intoa state of I can do beating of
the bones or I can stimulate myvagal nerve to like like, help
me come in.
Can I splash some cold water onmy face and have this really
human experience of I canwitness I'm in dysregulation and

(34:12):
I'm moving towards regulation.
And once I'm in the regulation,how can I burn my candles and
burn my sage and journal andenergetically and emotionally
process the things that arecoming up?
And to the point where now I'mleaning into what is the spirit
world have to speak to me aboutthis?
Is that going for a walk anddoing a walkabout or a vision
quest, or is that going to lookmore like I'm lying down with an

(34:36):
eye mask and doing some guidedmeditations, like I think there?
I think that's where it reallydoes come from what?
Where's your energy at and whatdo you need?
And knowing that as we take offthose layers, those layers are
things that have been, are notyou you know what I mean Like I
think this there's this reallytrue core of it, where you're

(34:59):
not broken.
We have conditionings or we haveprograms or we have traumas or
we have whatever it is that havebeen kind of like what it feels
like to me at this point.
It's not so much those, thoseheavy bags that I'm carrying on
my back, but sticky notes.
You know like I I was reallycurious about my insecurities

(35:20):
yesterday.
I'm like, well, they're notreally deep anymore, they're
sticky notes.
There are things that I can seeand witness and pull off and
sometimes after a while, if I'mnot paying attention, the sticky
note comes back and I'm like,fuck, there it is again.
I have to pull it off, Right,you know, and I think that's a
really good reminder of, likeyour core essence of who you are

(35:42):
is perfect, it's brilliant,it's divine, right, and so we're
not saying be be something thatyou're not.
It's like recognizing that allof those things get, get stuck
to you Isn't the essence of whoyou are.
It's something there, becausewe have a shadow, we've had
trauma, we've had a past, we allhave it, you know.

(36:04):
And so this is kind of likeLeonardo da Vinci, where you
know, here we have.
You know you're chiseling awayat the stone to release what is
not Michael right.
And I love that metaphor oflike the full rock.
Full rock as it started, wasnot the, the, the, the Michael

(36:26):
statue right.
He had to chisel it away,everything that was not Michael
right.
And so it's coming into aleaning in.
I think that's that's a big one, noticing where your energy is.
Are you leaning away from andavoiding, or are you leaning in
and getting curious where yourenergy is.
Are you leaning away from andavoiding, or are you leaning in
and getting curious?
And it is in my nature toconsistently lean in and get

(36:47):
curious, almost to a fault.
I will continuously lean in andlean in and leaning further,
going.
What here has a lesson for me?
What here has a truth for me?
What here has a curiositythat's here for me?
How can I love myself even moreas I lean into whatever is
coming up?

Speaker 1 (37:09):
And I think there's such an aspect to that as well
of not waiting for someone elseto give you permission to do it
because you've seen somebodyelse do it first.
You know what I mean.
Like it's, it's this reallyinteresting catch 22, because,
like Chantel was saying, we showup the way that we do, in this
authenticity and in the lightand the shadow, so that other
people feel the freedom to beable to do it, and, at the same

(37:32):
time, something that I've beenreally trying to pull into my
own subconscious that is verystubbornly not accepting it, but
I'm working on it is like youdon't need the permission, you
don't need somebody who seemslike they are farther along than
you or more connected than you,or whatever it is to say, oh, I

(37:54):
did that too and it's okay, or,look, I'm doing this now and so
therefore, you can too.
I follow a spiritual teacherwho, nine times out of 10, I
absolutely love what she has tosay.
I love her energy, I love theway she shows up, I love her
content.
She has a tendency, though, tohave almost this feeling of like
this is where I'm at in myconsciousness journey, like in

(38:18):
my journey of connecting withmyself and connecting with
spirit, and so, therefore, thisis the stage, this is the next
stage of consciousness that mostpeople haven't reached yet, and
so I'm walking the path aheadof you, and I get so pissed
hearing that, because it's like,first of all, like the hubris
right To assume that there'sanything that any one of us
could do that hasn't in someform or fashion been done before

(38:42):
, that hasn't been experiencedbefore, and to then make
everyone who's not there feellike they're behind, like that,
to me, is an immediate no, andI've really been leaning into
the idea of the shaman's ladderlately, which is this idea that
spirituality, our connection orwhatever it is, it isn't a
hierarchy, it's not like you'regoing up or getting better.

(39:03):
We talked about this in ourReclaiming the Sacred Self
Masterclass, and I was like youdon't get better, you get
different.
You never, no matter how muchyou heal, no matter how much you
release, no matter how manylimiting beliefs, you never get
better, you get different.
And the Shaman's Letter is thisidea that it's a spiral.
Right, it's all on the sameplane, but it's a spiral.
You're walking this spiral oflife and you're going to come

(39:25):
back around to ideas that youthought you healed from, or
things that you've looked atbefore, but now you're looking
at them from a slightly moreexpanded point of view, a
slightly different point of view, and we're all on the same
playing field.
Yeah, we might be at differentplaces in the spiral, but that
doesn't mean that where I'm atin my journey is the next phase.

(39:46):
For somebody, if they haven'texperienced that, it's like no,
we need to take that idea offthe table because it is harming
the people in the spiritual andthe shamanic communities.
The idea that there is a stage,that there is a next step that
you're supposed to get to,there's not.
There's just you and yourexperience and how your
consciousness wants to comethrough, so that, like Christine

(40:08):
was saying I think you'rereferring to David like the
stone gets pulled away so thatthe David statue remains, and
it's like that core of you who Iam as Isabel, who Christine is
as Christine, who Chantel is asChantel, who all of you are
listening that core of you neverchanges.
You're not going anywhere.
It's not like as you're healing,you're like soul retrieval

(40:30):
aside, right, there are timeswhen we call parts of ourselves
home, but like that core of youis eternal.
It is always there and the workthat we're doing is looking at
how can I let that core shinethrough a little bit more and a
little bit more and a little bitmore.
And if you think about it thatway, there is absolutely no
healing path or journey orthree-step plan that could

(40:53):
possibly work, because there isno one else who has had to
figure out how to shine yourcore light out into the world
and figure out what shades, whatbaggage, what rocks, what
sticky notes need to come off sothat that light can shine
through.
That is a purely uniqueexperience of you.
You are a purely uniqueconsciousness and so, yeah, like
shamanism might help and Reikimight help, and neuroscience and

(41:17):
semantics might help, andcandles and ceremony and working
with the elements might help,but like there's never going to
be another person who's going todo it the way you're doing it.
So like we need to and I'msaying this to myself too like
we need to stop looking for theperson that's doing it ahead of
us, because they're never goingto.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I just can't agree more.
Like I'm all fired up nowbecause, like this was my
experience in Japan, Like thisis why I got angry, because
there was this perspective ofthis hierarchy of you know,
Reiki should be a practice toreach Satori, and I'm like
that's bullshit.
You're giving me a goalorientation for my spiritual

(41:58):
life and I reject that.
I reject that this needs to bea goal oriented experience.
What if I was just experiencinglife?
To experience life, Becausemaybe I'm more like the tree and
just want to be, not do but be,be who I am and shine with the
light of who I am, exactly theway I'm meant to.

(42:18):
And it doesn't need to looklike this uh, everyone else's
path.
Like I just got so upset at thepatriarchal notion that this is
the only one true path withyour Reiki is to have this goal
orientation of Satori.
I'm like who fucking cares?
Been there, done that, Not.

(42:39):
Like that's not why I'm here inthis human suit, it's not.
It's like I want to experiencethe most ecstatic nature of my
being as possible.
I want to feel the bliss and Iwant to feel the pain.
I want to feel all of what thehuman condition is, because,
guess what?
I chose to be a human.

(43:00):
I don't want to escape my humannature of that right.
How can I be all of myhumanness, which means I get
experienced all of the emotions?
It's not like I get reallyfrustrated with the, this idea
of where there's a spiritualbypassing, of, okay, if you feel
a heavy emotion, we're going tomeditate out of it.

(43:20):
I'm just like no, no, let mefeel my hardships, Let me feel
the darkness, Let me feel it soI can then process it and be in
a different energy Like this.
That whole thing just makes meso mad.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Feel that anger.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Like right, and I think that's where it comes back
to like part of our stance hereat moon rising shamanic
Institute is that we want you tofeel the range of emotions we
want you to experience, knowingthat whatever emotion that you
have is valid.
It's valid If you're having ahuman experience and you're
feeling emotion.

(44:02):
It's valid because it is, it is.
And so where do we get tocreate a sanctuary so that you
can fully express your nature ofwho you are and create a
continuation, a continuum ofcommunity that can witness and

(44:25):
observe without judgment,without trying to fix it.
Right and I think that is soimportant in our containers is
that we can validate and witnesswithout trying to fix the
problem, because you're not aproblem.
You can have your emotions andeat your fucking cake too.
Like right, you know what Imean.
Like you can, you can, and Ithink there's that's where we

(44:51):
want you to be able to come intoa guided meditation or come
into a lesson on inner childwork or come into a lesson on
emotional release exercises, sothat you can give yourself the
permission.
It doesn't need to necessarilycome from us, but you can give
yourself permission going.
Wow, I'm noticing the resistanceof me doing this work.

(45:13):
I'm noticing my hesitancy, I'mnoticing that this isn't what
society has said, that I'm safeto do, and yet now I'm within a
container and have a lesson thatI can come home with and create
the my sacred space and givemyself as much time as I need to
move through the process of themotion that I've been resisting

(45:37):
within you, to create the spaceto have that process and then
come to class or book a callwith one of us or whatever it is
that you need support around togo.
I did the damn thing.
I felt the motions and guesswhat?
Everyone else in class alsofelt the resistance, also felt

(45:58):
the heaviness, also felt thedepth of the motion, also felt
that they could express and beand let those layers fall away
and then do ceremony about howdo we clear that out, how do we
let it go all the way to thehearth?
Because the earth can handle it, she can compost all of it,
right?
So if you're hanging onto stuffand it's like I'm going to

(46:21):
bring it to the earth, becausethe earth can compost it, she
can transmute it, she's has alarge enough energy that will
take it all, right, and thatthat is what is so sacred to me
about moon rising and shamanicInstitute is that we get to be
in our fullness as humans in ourspace.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
I think there's also this element to it for me of and
I say for me because it'ssomething that I try to bring
forward in my own work that Ilove is mirrored in the work
that we do in Moon Rising andthe containers we create.
Is this idea that you don'thave to heal, you don't have to

(47:04):
do it?
I think there is, think there'sthis.
There is so much pressure on usin our society right now to be
better, to do better, to do more, to give more, to be more, to
always be something differentthan who we are right now.
Right, and I think that one ofthe questions that we always
come back to in the work that wedo and the courses that we
teach and all of it is if youwere already enough, if you were

(47:26):
already worthy, if all of thework that you needed to do was
already done, what would you doin this moment?
Like, what feels curious to you, what lights you up, what do
you want to explore?
If you didn't have to doanything, what would you want to
do and can you then allow thegrowth and the evolution and the
peeling away of the layers andall of that to be kind of like

(47:49):
this natural byproduct.
You know what I mean, becauseas soon as we start trying to
heal, as soon as we start tryingto fix something, we're again
reinforcing that belief thatwe're broken and it's like we're
never going to get anywhere,like I really think that's why
so many of us have gone throughso many trainings and one-on-one
sessions and self-help booksand gotten to the end and been

(48:11):
like, well, fuck, that didn'thelp me at all, because it's
focused on the fact that there'ssomething that needs to be
fixed, that there's somethingthat need to be more or less or
better or different than you areright now.
And we just said no, at thecore of you, you are already

(48:33):
enough, you are already worthy,you are already exactly who you
were meant to be.
And if we gave you and you gaveyourself, the permission to
show up in that, to show up inthat knowledge of I am already
enough, I am already who I cameto this earth to be, what would
then unfold?
Naturally, like if you startedfrom that place of there's
nothing to fix, you're notbroken, you just get to get

(48:56):
curious, you get to explore, youget to ask questions, you get
to get lit up when you gettriggered because you're like,
oh, here's a new part of me Ihaven't seen before.
Like the number of times wehave students say that makes me
so happy, because it's likethat's the energy that we should
be having, because there'snothing wrong with you if you're
triggered, it's a new part ofyourself that's crying out for

(49:16):
attention.
And if we can approach it fromthat perspective and bring in
the tools like the shamanism orthe inner child healing or the
neuroscience or the ceremoniesor working with the elements and
the moon or whatever it is, andthen you get to see those on
the buffet table in front of youand say, knowing that I am
already worthy, what is callingto me?
What feels fun, what feelsaligning, what feels awakening,

(49:40):
what am I curious about?
And you get to just go explorethose fully Healing or aligning
or peeling away the layers orwhatever you want to call that,
it happens naturally after that,because our inherent desire is
to grow and evolve.
That's who we are.
We're always going to do that,and so if we stop forcing

(50:01):
ourselves into it and insteadinvite ourselves into a
container of look at all of thesupport, look at all of the
tools, look at all of thepossibilities.
Can I allow my intuition toguide me to the one that's right
for me in this moment, knowingthat it might change a day, a
month, five years down the line,right Again?
That purpose is always going tochange, it's always moving.

(50:24):
But, like, can I let myintuition guide me to the one
that's right for me in thismoment, out of a place of
curiosity and willingness to beopen and change, rather than
fear of what happens if I don't?
That's where magic happens andthat's what I love about our
programs and the way that weshow up on the podcast and our
courses and all of it is.
It's always from this place of,if we started with that

(50:46):
foundation, how much moremagical and beautiful and
vibrant is your life going to bewhen your intuition lets you
pick what's next for you out oflove instead of fear?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yes, I love it.
I love it.
I think this is why I really amexcited to announce here's our
big announcement, because Ithink this is the perfect timing
is that we're offering SoulRising, our four-month shamanic
Reiki program, yet again thiswill be our fifth time to offer
it under Moon Rising ShamanicInstitute, under our beautiful

(51:22):
videos and container and all ofthe things, and I'm just really
excited because what we'retalking about is exactly what
the program was built for.
Yeah, you're going to learnsome foundational shamanic tools
, but the true, authentic natureof the program is to help you
be all of who you are, to notdeny aspects of yourself, but to

(51:43):
fully embrace all of who youare, to show up in a way that
says yes to you and what feelsgood to you, and say yes to your
curiosity and get interested inwhere your growth edge is and
why do you act the way you doand why does that get triggered,
the way it gets triggered andall of the things.
And you get this beautiful,sacred container.

(52:04):
I'm not going to say safe,because safety implies that you
will, but you might not.
Maybe there's going to be aspace where, wow, you do get
triggered.
And then we get curious aboutit and you get to come back
again and again, again, into asacred container of saying it's
okay, it's okay that you'refeeling big emotions, it's okay

(52:25):
that you've cried three days andyou're like I don't know why
I'm crying, I'm just processing,I'm like great.
Let's get curious about thattoo.
Let's honor where you are rightnow and what does that mean for
you?
And so this is a deep, deepprogram.
It's not um, it's notlightweight and it's not
designed to be.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yeah, and it's.
It's this really beautifulblend of we've got the
foundational piece in thatyou're going to learn how to
shamanic journey and you'regoing to learn how to connect
with each of the elements andyou're going to learn how to
find your power animal and yourspirit guide and connect with
your higher self in the middleworld and be able to have not
just like a theoreticalrelationship but an actual,
tangible relationship with thesereally powerful allies in your
spiritual journey, so that youcan also connect with your

(53:15):
intuition and hear that voice soclearly that our goal by the
end of the program is that youknow like you know, like you
know that all of the answers youever need are within you, right
, and again, I think that goesback to what we were talking
about earlier of it's nevergoing to be about we have the
answers and you don't.
It's going to be about.
Can we create a space where younow have the tools and the

(53:37):
structures and the invitationand the safety to realize that
those answers are already withinyou?
And it is such an honor andsuch a joy to watch and walk
with students through thatprocess from day one, where they
are feeling exactly how you'refeeling now, as you're listening
to this right, maybe a littleoverwhelmed, maybe stuck in your

(53:57):
limiting beliefs, maybe feelinglike all of the other programs
or the books or all of ithaven't worked.
I've been there right To theend of the program, where they
are just alive and vibrant andtalking about how I was just
editing all of our testimonialsfrom the last round, and so I'm
like filled with just theirwords of talking about how, like

(54:17):
they never felt safe in theirlife before they joined this
program or they never felt likethey were able to fully show up,
and now they feel like they'veshed layers and layers and
layers of trauma to be who theyare fully Like it's.
It is just such an incredibleexperience to get to witness
that in our students.
And it's not because we have theanswers, it's not because we

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say you know, if you do thesefive things, you're going to get
better.
Right, it's, it's none of that.
It's we give you all of thetools we could possibly think of
everything that the three of ushave used in our own lives, in
our own journeys, and have seenrepeatedly help people over and
over and over again in ourone-on-one sessions, in our

(55:02):
courses, and we put them all onthe table, from shamanic work to
inner child healing, torepatterning your subconscious,
to cutting cords, to working inceremony, to connecting with the
elements, to all kinds of stuff.
There's more than that, right.
I think we cover more than 40techniques, if I remember
correctly.
We cover more than 40techniques in the course, not
because you have to know themall, not because you have to
love them all, but because whenwe give you a buffet of options

(55:26):
and we provide it to you in thiscontainer that has been so
thoroughly thought out andplanned and cultivated by the
three of us to really ensurethat growth is going to happen
again as a natural byproduct,not as a we're going to force
you to grow, but as a.
If you step into this containerand you just let yourself
experience it, growth is goingto happen, so that, by the end,

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not only do you have all ofthese tools, not only do you
have that connection to yourintuition, not only do you have
this certification in knowinghow to do Reiki level one and
shamanic work and all of this,but you also feel like you've
embodied all of that.
You have taken it in.
It has changed you on acellular, molecular level, so

(56:09):
that the person that you leavethe program is not the same as
the person who comes in.
Because you get to be so muchmore embodied and confident and
connected to yourself, becauseyou've given yourself the space
to get curious and have all ofthe tools that you could
possibly ever want at yourdisposal and the support of the
three of us, plus your community, your co-students, to then say,

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great, how are you going toapply it in your daily life?
How did it feel when you didthat?
What worked, what didn't?
How can we help you, pull iteven deeper so that you've got
that self-driving passion tomove you forward?
But you've also got thiscontainer of other amazing souls
, your co-students, and supportfrom the three of us.
So not just one of us, but allthree of us helping to

(56:56):
facilitate and hold that spacefor you.
It is, it's, it's truly magical, I think.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
It really is.
Yeah, coming in as a formerstudent years ago at this point,
you know it really did.
It created a foundation for meto be able to get curious with
where I was, to allow me to movethrough my own sadness and
grief and, you know, trauma,self and everything.

(57:23):
And so now it's like I can takethat and give the gratitude and
everything that I've needed.
And that is what shows up,because we're doing our work and
we get to show up and say thisis what I've learned, this is
what we can offer, and we createthat container for our students
to be able to sit in theirstuff, to fill in their stuff,

(57:44):
to release and come to the tableand say this is what I got
going on, you know, and they doget to.
Everyone gets to communicate andcollaborate and be like this
works for me or that, or just,hey, I see you, I hear you, know
that you're seen, know that youare heard, and that sometimes
is all our students need ashumans.

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Know that you are heard and thatsometimes is all our students
need as humans.
That's all we need sometimes isto say I hear you and I see you
where you are, and that'senough to help people to feel
empowered and to rise up and sayI'm ready to take this on.
I'm ready to take me on right,because we are big, complicated
beings.
We're not like little, simplethings.
We are big, complicated beingsand I know for myself I always

(58:30):
bring an edge to me.
I just have an edge to me andthat is like, yeah, be street
smart, be spiritually smart, behuman smart, be all of the
things, because that is what weare and who we are, and I love
that we have this platform tooffer to people to show up just
who they are, but then to beable to shine brighter at the
end of it and they do leavecompletely different.

(58:51):
People transform in ourcontainer, in our community, and
I enjoy witnessing it and beinga part of that.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
And I want to pop in one thing here, because I have
to say I absolutely adore havingChantel on the team, because
she does get to say, as a formerstudent, right, like, you work
with us because you saw what ourcourses were when you joined,
loved them so much that youwanted to contribute your own
magic and make them even better.
And to me that is like I lovehaving you on the team, because

(59:23):
you're just such a constantreminder of the fact that, like,
if we made that much magic backthen when it was just Christine
and I, and now it's the threeof us, like it's just gotten
better because you brought allof your like you were saying
your gratitude and the healingand the experiences that you had
because of how the program wasthen, and you've just made it
better.
You've brought your own magic,you've completed this little

(59:45):
trio that we have, and so now itreally does feel so much more
solid because, like we've saidthis whole time, there's the
three of us all complimentingeach other, all filling in those
gaps so that where one of usmaybe isn't as strong, the other
is, and so it just has upliftedeverything and it's just such a
joy to get to see that processhappen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Uplifted everything and it's just such a joy to get
to see that process happen.
Absolutely I love it, and Iwould love to quick run down
some of my most frequently askedquestions, because every time I
get on a call, these are thethings that people want to know.
This is a four-month programBecause of the holidays, it's
really closer to five monthsbecause we take a week off for
Thanksgiving and two weeks offfor winter break over Christmas,

(01:00:28):
and it's a time commitment.
Like I said, this isn't likeskimming the surface, this is a
deep dive.
So it's a three to four hourtime commitment a week.
The calls are two hours inlength and the call schedule is
developed on your availability,meaning we're going to send you
a call survey to see when youravailability is and then we
create the call schedule fromthat, because I have a

(01:00:50):
commitment to making sure thatevery single student can come on
to at least one call a week.
If you want to come to all ofthem, come to all of them, but
we want you to absolutely makesure you're at least coming to
one call a week to continue inthat progress and progression of
your studies.
So there is four modules.
Each module is based on achakra, so we're going to move

(01:01:11):
through the first four chakras,and each module has a personal
development, spiritualdevelopment side of things as
well as a shamanic training sideof things, and the way the
program is laid out is so thateach week you see exactly where
you're supposed to be, and it'sgot a variety of things in it to
support you each and every week.
It also we want to reallyensure that everyone's

(01:01:35):
educational learning processesare being supported.
So, yes, we have workbooks thatIsabel so beautifully designed
because they're like 80 pagesper module, and so you're really
getting a companion workbookwith every single module that
you go through, so that thereare journal prompts, there are

(01:01:57):
things to consider, there is thelessons in the written format
so that when you, if you're abook learner, you can watch the
video and go and return to yourbook.
Now, we're not going to ask youto turn those in.
Those are for your ownindividual use.
We're not going to micromanageyou.
The more you put into thisprogram, the more you're going
to get out of it.
So you're going to get weeklylesson videos, guided

(01:02:20):
meditations, activating actionsthose are a lot of those
techniques to help your support,your nervous system.
Activating actions those are alot of those techniques to help
your support, your nervoussystem.
There's going to be weeklycalls.
There's the module.
At the end of every module, wewill give you a reflection
period of going.
What did you learn?
What are you still confused onwhat?
How can we support you evenmore to make sure that you can
move forward into the nextmodule?

(01:02:41):
So we're constantly checking inwith you.
We have weekly check-ins.
And when we have thesereflections, why?
So?
We continuously tweak ourprogram and make it better and
better and better.
What am I missing, isabel?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I don't think anything other than the fact
that we do offer really extendedpayment plans so that, again,
we believe that healing,aligning, whatever you want to
call it, should be accessible toeveryone.
And so we have our pay in fulloption, we have a super extended
payment plan option, and if youneed something in between,

(01:03:17):
we're going to work with youbecause we really believe that
this work belongs to everybodyand of course, we still have to,
you know, make our livings fromthis work too, right?
So there is that energeticexchange and expectation, but I
can also say that, given thecontent, given the amount of
material, given everything thatwe pour into this program, it is

(01:03:39):
very, very reasonably priced.
But I will say again, if thefinances are a worry, for you
know that we have that extendedpayment plan so that it can be
accessible, because we want thisto feel supportive to you, just
like it's here to support us,and so we really have done our
best from start to finish,whether it's, you know, like
Christine was saying, and thefact that you can go through the

(01:04:01):
course in written form or videoform or whatever, to the fact
that we hand make the callschedule to fit every student's
schedule, to how mindful we'vebeen about how we handle the
financial side, like everythinghas been cultivated to fit all
of our students perfectly, andwe also really trust that the
people who are meant to comeinto the program this round are
going to come in.

(01:04:22):
And it amazes me, round afterround after round, how Spirit
just collects the perfectcollection of students to come
in.
And so again, at the end of theday, this is our invitation to
you of if your intuition issaying this is the next step,
this is right for you, this isagain when you come from love
instead of fear.
This is what's meant for you,then we're so excited to work

(01:04:44):
with you and hold space for you,and I love too that like, yes,
this is what's meant for you,then we are.
We're so excited to work withyou and hold space for you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
And I love to that like, yes, this is our first
month four month program and wewait to see if you have a
calling to go into thepractitioner.
We wait and feel into if youhave a call to go into advanced.
So, yes, there, you could workwith us for an entire year and
and but we're we're giving youit available to you in chunks,

(01:05:07):
right, because sometimes peopleneed a break and you know what
my one of my favorite things tosee is.
I will go pull up the the, ourstudent cohort from a year ago
and see that there are peoplestill rewatching videos that day
, that week, like it's somethingthat you return to again and
again and again going yeah, yeah, no, I need that.
You return to again and againand again going yeah, yeah, no,

(01:05:30):
I need to go back to that rootchakra, guided meditation while
I'm on the airplane, or whateverit may be.
And so I see and I hear peoplereturn to it over and over and
over again.
It's not something that it's aone and done deal.
It's like you get you remainhaving access to the material so
it can help you throughout theyears.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Yeah and I think that's an important thing is for
people to realize that whatthey're investing in they get to
keep and have.
And you can continue throughoutthe years to still go back and
watch those videos and haveaccess to us, Even when we're no
longer in group.
You can still message us.

(01:06:10):
Hey, what do you think aboutthis?
Right, and I love that thatwe're available to our students
and it's not just oh, yougraduated, Peace out.
No, it's, you still need us,we're here.
You want to set up sessionswith us?
We're here.
You just have a quick question,throw it out there.
And it's like we're just soavailable to our community that
I find that to be one of thebiggest highlights of what we do

(01:06:34):
here, Because all the otherstuff is all amazing in itself
and you're going to go and learnall this stuff, but the fact
that you can have that supportand really know that there's a
safe space to go to and you'renot just out there floundering
in life like, oh, what am Idoing?
No, I can go right here andtalk to one of us and say, what

(01:06:56):
can I do?
And we're going to give outthose tidbits to help you to
continue on your growth.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Yeah, and I think to really pull it all together, we
actually have a student in thecomments right now who said that
I know for me, the Soul Risingprogram really allowed me to
embody the idea of not lookingat feelings as good or bad, but
as teachers and guides.
When I get triggered now, I getcurious instead of reactive.
They show me where my shadowsand limiting beliefs are and I'm

(01:07:23):
able to lean into the tool tohelp me work through them and
really process them, so that, Ithink, is again just such a
beautiful example and such ahumbling example for us of this
is the work.
This is why we do what we do.
This is the container we'vecreated, and it's not to sell
you on something or say this isthe way you need to do it or
this is our five steps to feelbetter.

(01:07:44):
It's our invitation of when wecome to it in a place of love,
when we really believe and gothrough the steps to believe
because it's a process that weare enough and we are worthy,
and when we have a buffet tableof really structured support
filled with 40 plus incredibletools and techniques that we've

(01:08:05):
tried, that our students havetried, that are tried, tested
and true right and you have theability to let your intuition
pick and guide you through it.
It's magical and we are so, soexcited to get started.
So we are in early bird pricingright now.
Early bird will last until theend of August.
So if you are interested inhopping on a call and learning

(01:08:28):
more, or you're like, yes, I'mready, let's do this.
Early bird pricing is nowavailable.
Or you can hop on a call withus by the end of August and
we'll hold early bird price foryou.
Regular price will start onSeptember 1st and classes will
officially start on September21st.
And again, that call scheduleis gonna be tailored to your
needs.
So know that all of this iscoming.

(01:08:50):
We'll have the links in thechat for you to explore.
We would love to hop on a callwith you and support you and
answer all of your questions and, of course, we would love to
see you in the program, becausewe believe in it.
Our students believe in it.
We've seen it transform livestime and time again and I, for
one, am really excited to get tostart the process over again
this September.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Yeah, so the module calls start on September 21st.
We have orientation, welcomecalls and getting really
orientated in the programstarting on September 14th, and
know that when you sign up, whenyou register, when you enroll,
you get automatic access to theorientation materials, which is
pretty extensive, as well as theReiki level one training
offered by our soul risingprogram.

(01:09:36):
So super excited to get started, to dive full in with all of
you and this is going to beamazing, yeah absolutely, and
until next time, you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Thank you so much as always for listening, and may
you awaken to the whispers ofwisdom rising from within.
Bye everyone.
Bye everyone.
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