Finding Reiki's Mystical Flow on Mount Kurama

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The sacred tree has fallen, but the wellspring flows on. Could this be nature's message about the future of Reiki?

When Christine returned to Mount Kurama in Japan for her second pilgrimage, she wasn't expecting to witness a profound metaphor about energy practices worldwide. Standing at the birthplace of Reiki, Christine observed how a precise typhoon had taken down only the sacred masculine symbol—a centuries-old Kami tree—while leaving the companion feminine symbol—an ever-flowing spring—completely untouched.

Christine's insights illuminate a potential evolution in Reiki practice—what she calls "Reiki Fusion"—honoring the traditional structure while embracing intuitive flow. Her journey challenges us to reconsider whether our spiritual practices have overemphasized masculine energy (structure, hierarchy, perfection) while neglecting the feminine (intuition, inner wisdom, natural flow). 

In today's episode, we cover:

• The highlights of Christine's Pilgrimage to the birthplace of Reiki
• How the Buddhist roots of Reiki transformed Christine's perspective
• Exploring spiritual balance between structure and flow
• Comparing this trip to Christine's first pilgrimage
• Contrast between mainland Japan temples and Okinawan forests
•  The stark contrast between masculine and feminine energies
• Why we need to embrace our intuition and inner wisdom
• Personal transformation through nature and travel
• Fall of the sacred tree on Mount Kurama as a metaphor for energy shifts
• Call to balance tradition with authentic self-expression

Ready to discover what happens when we honor both the structure and the flow in our Reiki practice? Listen now!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine René,
isabel Wells and Chantelle Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.

(00:26):
Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy, healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and

(00:49):
balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Hello, hello and welcome backto another amazing episode here
on the Wisdom Rising Podcast.
I'm your host for today, isabelWells, and I am thrilled to be

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joined for a special episodewhere we turn the tables a
little bit and Christine is inthe hot seat as our guest.
Today.
I'm interviewing her as sheshares all of her amazing
takeaways and wisdom that she'sbringing with her back from
Japan, back from Mount Kurama,where she recently returned
after completing her secondReiki pilgrimage up to the

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birthplace of Reiki.
In today's episode, she sharesabout the contrast between her
first pilgrimage and her mostrecent one that she completed
this May.
She talks about her toptakeaways and especially how
this trip really prompted her tore-examine how she thought of
the masculine and feminineenergies and how she saw those

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correlations in the world aroundher, but also in the practices
and the Buddhist roots thatuphold the Reiki practice that
we know today.
This episode is reallyinteresting and a little
different from everything thatwe've brought to the podcast so
far, and Christine gets reallypersonal and shares her journey
in a very storyteller fashion.
So I hope that you enjoylistening to Christine and

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hearing her top takeaways.
If you enjoy today's episode,stay tuned for more.
Next week Christine will bediving even deeper into this
masculine and feminine energyand how those come together in
what she's calling a Reikifusion.
You may remember that term,reiki fusion because it is part
of Christine's upcoming Reikifusion master teacher training.
The training has been pushedout a week.

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Enrollment has been extendedfor that week to allow people
extra time to secure their seatand enroll.
So classes now start on June12th and you'll be diving into
every aspect of Reiki, from thetraditional Eastern practices to
the modern Western practices,and Christine will be bringing
all of the wisdom that she'sbrought back from Japan both

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times into this training, havingtaken Christine's master
training twice now, I can saythat it is not like any other
Reiki master teacher trainingthat I have ever taken, and I
highly encourage you to take theleap, spend your summer
engaging with Reiki in acompletely new way and deepening
your practice.
This course is open both forReiki level twos and also for

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current Reiki masters who justwant to reset the training and
get a new perspective on thisenergy that we all know and love
so well.
In addition, our webinarChristine's webinar on why did
Usui go to Mount Karama has alsobeen rescheduled.
So if you missed it lastThursday, you're in luck,
because it is now live thisThursday at 5 pm Mountain Time,
7 pm Eastern Time.

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So again, that's this Thursday,june 5th, at 5 pm Mountain Time
, 7 pm Eastern Time.
So again, that's this Thursday,june 5th, at 5 pm Mountain Time
, 7 pm Eastern Time.
It's completely free for you toregister and the link will be
in the show notes.
Like I said, if you enjoyedtoday's episode, we would love
to hear your top takeaways aswell as your excitement for all
of this new Reiki wisdom thatwe're bringing to the show and

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to our community.
So be sure to join us over inour Moon Rising Shamanic Mystics
Facebook group.
We're a community of over 4,000amazing individuals who are
walking this path together,asking the same questions and
supporting each other along theway.
We would love to see you thereas well.
As don't forget to subscribe tothe podcast so you get access
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these, be sure to subscribe tous over on YouTube, where we
post the video companion toevery podcast episode.
But until then, I hope youenjoy today's episode.
Let's go to the show.
Welcome.
Welcome back to another amazingconversation.
I am so excited to be joinedwith Christine Rene today, as
she is here to share her toptakeaways from her recent

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pilgrimage to the birthplace ofReiki in Japan.
Christine, welcome back.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Thank you so much for having me back.
I'm really excited to be homeand really excited for this
conversation.
A lot of things shifted from myfirst trip to Japan to my
second trip to Japan and I'mblessed and honored to have
those experiences and share themwith you guys Beautiful.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
So we're switching roles a little bit here.
Today I'm going to playinterviewer for Christina.
She shares all of her amazinginsight and experiences.
So, christina, I'd love to juststart with, for those who may
not know what you were doing inJapan, why you went, can you
give us a little bit ofbackground on what this trip was
intended to be?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, no, I think that's a great starting question
.
So basically, this was a Reikipilgrimage.
The intention behind it was totravel to Japan, to Kyoto, for a
pilgrimage to the birthplace ofReiki, and on top of that I was
bringing along family with me,so that added like a whole other
layer, because the first time Iwent my dad came with me, and

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now, this two years later, mymom and my aunt, my dad's sister
joined us as well, and so I washanging out with my parents and
my aunt on the spiritualpilgrimage, and even in those
people like the, the, thebackground of their Reiki wisdom

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was diverse, like my mom is hasbeen around Reiki for over 40
years but and but my dad and myaunt are Reiki masters Right,
and so it's very it was veryinteresting to see how well they
meshed with the rest of thepilgrimage itself, and because
we wanted to land in Japan andreally feel settled andinawa,

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which is a tropical island southof Japan, which is it is Japan
Technically it is Japan, but ithas a very, very, very different

(06:56):
feel there, and so it was thisbeautiful contrast that came up
between mainland Japan andOkinawa that really set that
integration into place for meand really understood everything
that I experienced in Japan.
But the original intention wasyes, this is a Reiki pilgrimage,
this is a spiritual pilgrimage,and to be able to experience

(07:18):
that with my family.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Beautiful, so a little family reunion happening
in Japan.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Right.
Well, and I see my like.
It feels like I see my parentsquite a bit, at least this year,
like I saw them at Christmastime.
We spent spring break together,so it hasn't been a long time,
but it has been a while for meto be with my aunt and it really
is my dad and my aunt's linelike, like my bloodline, to
clairvoyance, to psychicabilities, all of those things

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it's in my father's line offamily.
That's why we're so interestedin shamanism and spirituality
and Reiki.
A lot of us on that line of thefamily are.
I'm the one in the family thatmade it into a business, right,
and so I'm still like the go-toin the family.
If shit hits the fan, like I'mthe first to call and they're

(08:08):
also, in their own right, verytalented and it's just it's in
our blood.
It's like I can't explain it toit, it's just it's there.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
And I know that that was something that you had
talked about leading up toespecially this pilgrimage is
just that, that calling that youhad to go and experience the
things and learn more and takethis lens of the history as we
now know it and the roots ofReiki and the shamanic
connections, and reallyexperience that further.
So how did that go this timearound in your pilgrimage?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
yeah, I love that you , you know I I feel like I think
there's a dynamic in this whereI have to kind of put a little
background in.
Like the first trip that I wentto Japan, which was two years
ago same exact Reiki pilgrimagewith this pilgrimage had more

(09:02):
spiritual masters that we satwith, more people who were head
priests, more people that wereZazen masters, right, like there
was more experiences like thatversus the first trip felt more
like a tour and a sitting withwith all these cool places.
And the first trip I I wasliving a life where I was

(09:24):
married and I was very much abusiness boss, mom and was very
much in a masculine energy andreally already going into that
trip having some marriagedifficulties.
And when I landed in Japan thefirst time it was like, oh my
God, I can relax, I can let mydad lead and figure out the

(09:48):
details for me and make sure I'msafe and make sure I'm getting
from place one to place two.
Like we were really gooddynamic duo on that first trip
and this trip it was veryinteresting, it was very
different and the fact that Ihad two additional women with me
there Now everyone is my dad is69.

(10:10):
My mom is 70.
My aunt was turning 75 on thetrip and I kind of became the
lead right.
So this trip, here I am.
I am a single mom.
I've been doing this for a long, like the spiritual work for a
long time.
I've been doing this for a longlike the spiritual work for a
long time and, on top of that,like I have been able to, in the
last two, really settle into myfemininity, into my let things

(10:33):
flow, allowing, um, to notreally have to be so, I don't
know, determined and structuredand masculine.
And so it was interesting, likeI feel like a different person
going into this trip this year,right, and so this time I had to
become the lead, oftentimes,you know, and so for my little

(10:57):
mini group, I was helping withdirections, I was making sure I
felt so much more comfortablelanding in the country, which
was different in itself, likethe first time I felt so much
more comfortable landing in thecountry, which was different in
the self, like the first time Ihadn't done any international
travel in like 20 years.
I have done so muchinternational travel in the last
two years.
I was like I, literally thefirst day we got to Kyoto, we

(11:19):
could not decide on a restaurantbecause we all have different
dietary needs, and so I droppedthem off at a restaurant and was
like see, I'm out and I leftand I went to the fish market,
right, like I would have neverdone that on the first trip.
So I felt so much like adifferent person to begin with,
much more confident andcomfortable and also becoming

(11:42):
kind of this person who was theglue to our group and kind of
became the lead on, like helpingwith directions and where are
we going, what are we doing, andso that element was really
different, really contrast.
Okay, now I feel like I need tohave you ask the question again
.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
No, that was beautiful.
Let's follow that, because Iknow that that energy is such a
prominent takeaway.
We've talked about it a littlebit on our own of what you were
bringing back, but I'm curioushow I know that a lot of our
listeners, who have maybefollowed your journey for a
really long time, will rememberthat last time you went to Japan
, you came back and your entirelife just kind of shifted and

(12:21):
you had so many aha moments andreleasing and calling in new
things, and do you feel likethis pilgrimage has been as
transformative in that way?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Not in the same way at all.
Right, I literally came backfrom that first Japan pilgrimage
and my eyes were profoundlyopened and changed and just
being able to feel into myfeminine energy on that trip and
not having to direct everysingle piece of it.
It was contrast with my homelife.

(12:51):
Right, I came home and I wasdivorced within two months.
I had bought a home within fourmonths and, like, became a
single mom, like needed torebuild my life from the ground
up when I came home last time.
And radical, like, radical,radical.
And I think the intention thistime was that I was hoping to go

(13:11):
deeper into the practice andnot because I was already there,
like I'm already spirituallysolid, right, like, that's what
I felt like.
And I was like, okay, I want togo and go deeper into the
meditation, deeper into thepractices, while knowing that I
have my family with me and ifanyone knows what it's like to
travel with family, especiallyyour mother, especially your

(13:32):
father, right, like you areopening yourself up to being
triggered.
Right, because family membersare the one that's going to be
able to do it.
Right.
So my real goal and intentionwas, yes, I wanted to go deeper,
but I also wanted to.
I knew that things could comeup from family and I didn't want
to waver.
I didn't want to waver in mypractice, I wanted to and so I

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mean I, I pretty, I mean I getalong well with everyone in my
family.
But we all know, we all knowlike if anyone's going to
undermine our spiritualalignment it's going to be a

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family member.
So I, that was kind of like anunderlying intention and this
time, going I, I would Iwouldn't necessarily say I went
deeper into the practice, like Ihad some really beautiful
moments of wow, I'm in that deepmeditative state that I was
hoping for and at the same time,going on the same pilgrimage

(14:40):
twice, um, we still had a lot ofnewbies in the group.
Like this was a very culturalpilgrimage as well and I already
had the background.
So a lot of the questions thatwere being asked in the
beginning of the pilgrimage werethings I already knew.
I knew from the first trip, Iknew from reading Justin Stein's

(15:01):
book, I already knew a lot ofthe context, but the context
wasn't known by everyone and soa lot of the time, the beginning
of the pilgrimage it's askingand answering those basic
questions so why don't Buddhistsworship Buddha.
Like you know, like what feltlike to me, like these are
really preliminary questionswhen being asked to the Zazen

(15:23):
master that we're supposed to bemeditating with, but instead of
meditating we're actually doingthis basic Q and a right.
And so there was that littlebit of like I understand what's
going on in this moment and Ireally wish that we were able to
meditate longer than fiveminutes right, like in the
beginning of the trip, than fiveminutes right, like in the

(15:46):
beginning of the trip.
So there were definitely pieceswhere I I could have gone, I
could have been guided deeper orgoing deeper, but it wasn't the
group collectives readiness todo that until later in the trip,
right, and so going up themountain.
So on the on the pilgrimage, wego up to Mount Karama three
times, we go to deep Karama onceand we go to Mount Hiyai once,

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and all of these places areimportant for the context of
Reiki and I love going to MountHiyai every time.
Like that is such a profoundplace for me to understand, like
it is the first, it is thewheel and all of the spokes is

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everything else.
So Mount Hii is a spoke toMount Kurama.
It's, it is the birthplace ofJapanese Buddhism, it is the
birthplace of Zen meditation, itis the birthplace of really
like.
It is the heart and soul ofspirituality in Japan, right?
So, understanding Mount Hiimakes sense for everything else.

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And going into the temples thereis always such a transformative
experience, can it?
I'm like, how do I explain it?
Like here I am, like we'rewe're sitting with one of the
head priests on this mountainand he's giving us a tour.
Like we start in one locationwhere we're he's lecturing,

(17:13):
we're meditating, he's praying,like we're doing the things, and
then we move into anothertemple and I am completely
outside of my body, floatingaround, and so he then is now
lecturing in another templewhere there's all these tourists
around, and I'm just feelingthe pillar in this temple and I
love this.
I and if you look at a picture,I think it can't even show you,

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because on the outside thetemple is encompassed in a, in a
like a metal building, becauseit's under reconstruction, so
there's nothing beautiful tolook like.
It is a tin box on the outsidebecause of the outwardly
construction on it and it'staking years and years and years
, and on the inside you feelthat it is ancient.

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It is like the oldest temple inJapan.
That's the feeling of it.
So you feel this pillar and youcan feel the energy of hundreds
of years.
Not only does the, the pillaritself is made of a tree trunk
that is hundreds, hundreds ofhundreds of years old, maybe six
, 700 years old, as this treetrunk, and there's they are the

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pillars of buildings.
You have multiple of these andholding up a spiritual temple.
So when I tune into thisbuilding and I and I think I
talked about this first timelike this temple, it's like you,
I have the remembrance ofeverything that came before it.
I, this is the temple that litthe candle that they have kept
burning for like 800 years, thecandle that they have kept

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burning for like 800 years.
You know, like there they've, Ican feel the attendance and
being there amongst the tourist,amongst this head, monk,
teacher, spiritual master, who'slike lecturing.
I am just, I wonder, like thefirst word that comes up, like

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zoned out.
But I'm not zoned out, I'mzoned in, you know, like I'm in
it so much that I'm not payingattention to the lecture.
I am feeling the energy of thebuilding, I'm feeling the energy
of this place.
I'm having remembrances of whathappened in this building in
the years past.
So like there'll be pieces ofhis lecture and I'm like, oh, I
remember that, like I can seethat through the building and

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I'm letting my clairvoyance showup and going yeah, I can hear
the story and it's not landingme, landing on me in a logical,
intellectual way, it's landingin me on a spiritual way and I
can see it.
I can.
My clairvoyance is showing upso I can see the pictures in my
mind's eye of what happened inthe history of this building.

(19:46):
Right, I remember going to thesame building on the first trip
and hugging the pillar and justfeeling the same blissed outness
, right.
So there was pieces like thatthroughout the trip where it was
like it didn't really matterwhat he was saying.
And so, like here's my auntafterwards go, hey, christine, I
couldn't hear them very well,right, like here's these, I kept

(20:09):
calling old people.
I'm like we got to let the oldpeople start walking, like
they're slower, like I was kindof always hurting them around,
but it was kind of this that,like I'm she was hoping that I
was listening so that I couldrelay it to her because she
couldn't hear it as well, likephysically, hear it as well, I'm
like and I just looked at him,like I was not energetically
like in the conversation, butI'm sure it hit my subconscious,

(20:32):
like I know, like I know, likeI know everything that he said
hit my subconscious so if youwould ask me a question I could
answer it.
That's what it felt like often,where I was there in this
energetic spiritual experienceand yet I wasn't necessarily
taking away notes, like therewas definitely times where we

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would be in lectures and I wouldbe taking notes, like having my
journal was is definitelyfilled with notes, and there was
times that it was appropriateto let that go and just feel the
energy of the place.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, and that mix of receiving the information from
a person versus receiving theinformation from the energy is I
mean we teach that to ourstudents right Knowing when to
let your intuition lead versuswhen to let your mind lead?
And I'm curious because thatrelationship between that kind
of more giving masculine energyand that more receptive feminine
energy is a really big themefor you in this trip.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Tell me more energy is a really big theme for you in
this trip.
Tell me more.
Yeah, like I.
I feel like it was interestingand because this trip did have a
lot of spiritual masters thatwere teaching us.
We had a head priest on um,mount Krama who is a Shugendo

(21:54):
master teacher and like who is aShugendo master teacher and
like is the only way I canreally place it Like.
Oftentimes, if you would askthese spiritual masters like
what their title was, theywouldn't necessarily know how to
respond to me.
I'm like are you a?
Are you a?
Like a Shinto priest?
Are you a Buddhist monk?
Like what are you?
And they would have difficulttimes like interpreting what
that means.
They would be like I'm a monkof this place, right?
Like they would have difficulttimes like interpreting what

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that means.
They would be like I'm a monkof this place, right?
Like they didn't have titles.
But these were the masters ofthe masters of the masters, on
wherever we were at like as whowe were talking to, and
oftentimes what I recognized andwhat I noticed is that they
were all men and being in theirenergy was profound and amazing,

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like the actual prayers and theactual acts that they were
performing, the chance.
Everything that they were doingwas powerful, it was palpable
and you could feel the energy inthe room, like things would be
lifting off of you and fallingaway, like you could feel it.

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And yet at the same time, theywere all men.
I never saw a woman Right, andso it wasn't even until deep
Karama, where we went for ablessing at.
Deep Karama is the backside ofMount Karama and it's really
pretty difficult to get to.

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And the first time I went toJapan it was the um.
They had rebuilt the templethere and there's suture mounds
and there's a gravial sitethat's like over a thousand
years old, like it's a profoundlocation, and they had just
rebuilt the temple and we hadgone to like bless the temple.
And this time we went and wehad this beautiful world
renowned musician with us, who'salso very involved as a Shinto

(23:52):
practitioner and a monk.
He went to the world'sconvention of wisdom keepers and
you know like he was amazing.
And yet the only thing I couldthink of is was his wife.
His wife was the only person onthe whole tour I think her name
was Julie like who was clearlyspiritual teacher and in her

(24:19):
nature, but she sat lower thanthe men Like I just want to be
like, can we give her a chair?
Like she clearly knows as muchas everyone else up here, can we
give this woman a chair becauseher voice is important?
And so we had, I had all thesebeautiful experiences and yet
when the question was asked,where are the women?

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Why aren't the women able to runaround Mount Hiyai?
As a Yamabushi practitioner,the, the, the answer is is that
a woman's job is in the kitchenand the woman's job in the
kitchen is to make the food tosupport the men, and that, um,

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that answer really kind of uhclicked for me this time, like I
was so in my owntransformational process, the
first pilgrimage I went to Japanthat these are the types of
things that really started tostand out to me.
Where are the women, where arethe women's voices in this?
Why aren't they here?

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And while it was veryinteresting because I've had
this book called A Chariot toFreedom on my bookshelf for over
a year and it is an intenseBuddhist scriptures book Like
it's not something you pick upfor light reading.
That is one of those books thatyou are invested once you start
reading it and it is deep andheavy and very much written by

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some enlightened monk, likethat's what it feels like, right
, and the morning I left beforemy trip, I pulled the book off
my shelf and I looked at thetitle and recognized that
there's something that I need toread in this and I need to read
it now.
And it's huge.
It's like 800 pages.

(26:09):
It is big, fat, hard covered,heavy book.
And here I am ready to leavefor my trip going.
I think I need to bring thisbook with me and it's heavy,
right Like no one wants to carrya heavy book and their carry on
backpack, right Like it's aheavy book.
And I was like I'm going to doit, I'm going to bring this book

(26:29):
and I'm going to read it.
And because when else am Igoing to have an opportunity as
a single mom, as a spiritualentrepreneur?
When am I going to have anopportunity as a single mom, as
a spiritual entrepreneur?
When am I going to have a timeto read this book?
And so I bring it with me andI'm starting to read it on the
airplane over and when I havechances I read it at in the
evenings.
And this is these are scripturesfrom you know, one, two, 300

(26:53):
years ago.
That makes up a lot of thepractices.
Like it's the foundation, it'sthe.
This book is a foundation ofbeliefs and what I'm seeing in
practice is is that practiceright?
Like the book isn't talkingabout the practices, it's
talking about the underlyingfoundational beliefs, about the

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underlying foundational beliefs.
And when I started reading thebook and recognizing that the
foundation of Buddhism is verypatriarchal and very
hierarchical and basicallysaying, if you are born as a man
and you are born with theavailability of Buddhist
knowledge, like if the teachingsare available to you, you are

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blessed and you should take theopportunity to study the quote
unquote, dharma right, theBuddhist scriptures.
And so like the first hundredpages is about basically how, if
you are born this way, you youshould take this opportunity and
yet the the underlying like youcould have been born an insect,

(28:04):
you could have been born ananimal and we are so lucky to be
have a human body that if youare have the opportunity this is
, you should drop everything tostudy the scriptures, everything
to study the scriptures.
And the underlying tone is likeif you are born as a woman,
you're less likely to haveavailable to you to walk the

(28:26):
path in the Buddhist scripturesbecause you are, have innate
attachment because you are, youhave children and you have a
home, and those are attachments.
And women and, and you have ahome, and those are attachments,
and women and men can just walkaway from those attachments.
And so, right there, I was likewhoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up
.
Now men can just walk away fromtheir wife and children because

(28:49):
they're a man and they havethis availability to study the
scriptures.
So, like, having thatunderlying tone about the
practices that I was seeingreally started to kind of
contextualize some of the deeperunderstandings of what I was
going through and why I wasstarting to get so, um, having

(29:13):
this underlying dissonance.
Like I couldn't put my fingeron it.
I remember the first time wewent up to Mount Carama, we
started the, the, the journey by, with a lecture from Bruce, and
Bruce is amazing, like, if youwant to learn traditional
Japanese Reiki, like I highlyrecommend him.
Um, the, and he knows it somuch from a masculine point of

(29:37):
view, and he used to be a partof Reiki Cafe University and you
could tell even back then, likehe held so well in his
masculine, I was so in myfeminine when we would come
together.
And so we have this very, thisvery contrast, and I love that.
He is a wealth of knowledge andthat he has sat in these
practices.
He's done the work, if you will, and it's also a lot of things

(30:03):
that he was saying was like thegoal is Satori, like it
shouldn't be a goal, but theidea is, if we do this practice,
we will reach this Satori state.
And how can we let go ofattachments, how can we let go
of our senses, et cetera, etcetera, so that we can reach
Satori?

(30:24):
And I'm, at this point, verycomfortable in saying that is
not my goal.
Like who cares, I've been there.
Like who cares, I've been there, done that.
That is not why I'm here onearth.
I am okay and comfortable withand excited for my cyclical
existence in the world.

(30:44):
Like I have chosen to come backagain and again as a woman, in
this human suit, to do work ofservice to others.
This is who I am.
I know who I am and I'mcomfortable with it.
It is not to reach the Tori.
I'm not trying to escapeanything.
I'm comfortable with the upsand downs in life.

(31:07):
It is part of being a human andbeing able to to experience all
the highs and lows, gives usthat beautiful contrast that
makes us human.
So I'm not trying to escapethat.
And so, when it comes to thatpiece of of, I just didn't, we

(31:34):
just didn't have the same ideaor the same goal, because it's
very clear, like that's reallyimportant to Bruce and it's not
important to me, and this is,and I'm very comfortable with
speaking up and saying this iswho I am.
And so, while I even and so Idid say it like I'm not going to

(31:58):
reevaluate my life purpose,like I don't need to, I know,
like I know, like I know why I'mhere and what I do, and um, and
so it was very and that kind ofhelped me from the very
beginning and set the tone oflike I'm not compromising who I

(32:19):
am on this trip.
I'm here to observe, I'm hereto deepen my own spiritual
practice and really ultimatelydeepen my own spiritual truth,
and that's really what set me upfor what was next, and that's
really what set me up for whatwas next.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
So, as that continued to deepen in you and you were
having these awareness of youknow, where are the women and
the stories that shape thedevelopment of Buddhism and
therefore Reiki and all of thesepractices that did have this
very masculine structured energy, how did that awareness
continue to evolve as youcontinued on the pilgrimage?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
how did that awareness continue to evolve as
you continued on the pilgrimage.
So we leave the lecture thatBruce gave and we go up to Mount
Karama and I love going upthere, I do.
There are so many freakingstairs, you're going to get a
stair master workout.
I think we clocked in 45 setsof stairs, according to my phone

(33:16):
.
Right, like it's, there's a,it's, it's, it's a hike, and I,
I, really, I really kept comingback to one particular spot on
the mountain.
And so you have, you get offthe train, you walk the mountain
, you can take a tram up.

(33:36):
That will take you up a littlewhile, and then you get to the
main temple square and that maintemple square has this
beautiful mandala where you canstand in the vortex, you can
feel the energy and, yes, that'sall amazing.
And then you can walk fartherup the mountain.
And if you go up, farther upthe mountain, there at the,

(33:56):
basically the peak of themountain, there is all of those
roots that you see, and Reikipictures, like the trees there
are profound.
And on the, on the top, thereis a space where there is a
large tree that has fallen.
That was a commie tree.
You can see the rope around itand if you see a large, thick

(34:18):
rope around trees, you know thatthere's commie spirit there.
Meaning, in the Shinto religionit is believed that this tree
is an embodiment of a spirit,and commie can be embodied in
buildings, they can be embodiedby rivers, they can be embodied
by trees, they can be embodiedin specific locations, and that

(34:38):
identifying factor of that ropearound the tree means that this
is one of them, right, and sothere's numerous of these on the
mountain, like I remember threeat the base of the mountain and
there's this one at the top.
Well, here we have this fallencommie tree and next to it is
this wellspring.
Both are anomalies.

(34:58):
We're at the top of themountain.
There should not be a freshwater spring at the top of a
mountain, so it literally asthis water source that is coming
up from the earth and andflowing, and flowing
consistently, a constant flow.
And then 10 feet from it, isthis fallen tree, this folly

(35:23):
commie tree, and this is calleda Sui Gongan and it was told
that this is where a Sui hasreached his enlightenment.
Like that is the.
That is the myth, that is thelegend, that is the story.
This is where Asui has reachedhis enlightenment.
Like that is the myth, that isthe legend.
That is the story.
This is where it happened.
He was sitting at the tree.

(35:43):
Well, in 2019, that tree wastaken out by a typhoon and the
typhoon was beelined straightfor this tree.
There's nothing else on thismountain that was taken out Like
literally one direct linetowards this tree, and there's
nothing else on this mountainthat was taken out Like
literally one direct linetowards this tree, and that is
it.
Like 10 feet away from thistree, there's the trees are
standing tall and strong.

(36:04):
Why this tree?
Now, this tree is hundreds ofyears old and Ricky has been
around for a little longer thana hundred years, right, like,
and so this spot was a sacredspot for many, many, many, many
people, and it was a.

(36:24):
It was a sacred, holy site forpeople to meditate at.
It wasn't just a suey.
So, having this recognitionthat didn't land on my first
trip, I was having too much ofan emotional experience the
first time to really understandthe history of going One.
This tree has been aroundforever.
Isui wasn't the only one herethat Isui and Reiki are not

(36:48):
known.
Like we, on the last trip up toMount Krama, the head priest of
Mount Krama gave us a guidedtour and he's like all I know is
this is where it happened, butso so has it had been for many,
many people have sat here andreached their quote unquote
enlightenment right, and thatnow the tree is down and, from

(37:08):
some perspectives, there's thisidea of wanting to rebuild the
temple there.
So here's this big ass tree andthis, this temple, and the tree
fell on top of the temple andso this was like the spiritual
location that's been wiped outby this tough typhoon in 2019.
And the and then just acrossfrom it, is this spring, and so

(37:33):
the idea is that this tree isthe divine masculine energy of
the mountain and the fountain isthe divine feminine on the
mountain.
And I keep, I and you knowthere are some voices that are
saying we need to rebuild thetemple and we need to figure out
how we're going to restore thisarea.

(37:54):
And, from a shamanic perspective, I just couldn't get on board
with that.
I like if there was a spiritual, a supernatural event that took
out this tree, this divinemasculine energy that is
supposed to be symbolizing forthis mountain, and it's gone.
Now it has fallen.
It not only took out the tree,it took out the temple as well,

(38:17):
and the cross from it is awellspring that is supposed to
be representing the divinefeminine, and it stayed constant
, no change.
It is ever flowing From ashamanic perspective.
I can't get on board with thisidea that we need to restore the
divine masculine energy.
There's a reason that Icouldn't get over.
There's a reason it is likethis and that maybe, just maybe,

(38:44):
it's significant for Reiki andmaybe it's not.
Like there's a part of it'slike.
Reiki has only been around for alittle over 100 years.
This tree, this spot, has beenhere for a very, very long time,
hundreds of years, right.
So there's this, this emphasis,emphasis that you know, reiki
practitioners have projectedonto this space.

(39:05):
This is the place that Reikiwas birthed, and the tree has
fallen and the well spring isstill available.
So, if the well spring is stillavailable and it is the divine
feminine and it is constant flow, and what happened right after
2019, right after this typhoonCOVID hit, things shut down and

(39:25):
the Reiki world changed and, inmy perspective, it changed for
the better.
People woke up to Reiki and wereable to take Reiki online, that
people were coming to recognizethat Reiki needed to change and
shift with the times, that itwas okay to mix modalities, that

(39:47):
it was okay to allow theirintuition to open, to trust
their inner knowingness, thisinner wellspring of wisdom, and
maybe, just maybe, that that iswhat's actually going on on the
top of Mount Karama, where wehave the divine.
Masculine needs its own egodeath, and the wellspring needs

(40:10):
to be honored.
Because, guess what, if he wassitting next to the tree, he was
sitting next to the well aswell, and no one is talking
about that.
There's emphasis on this tree.
Well, why aren't we talkingabout well?
He was sitting next to the well, he was there in the place with
both, and you're right.

(40:30):
And so there was just such astrong awareness this time that
the water is here.
The water's always been here.
The water hasn't ever changed.
It's never stopped flowing.
It's here.
It is here.
The water's always been here.
The water hasn't ever changed.
It's never stopped flowing.
It's here.
It stayed here.
And what if Reiki is nowavailable for the shift into the

(40:51):
feminine?
And that's not saying that weneed to deny masculinity, that's
not to say that men are bad.
It's saying that within each ofus, we have both and we need to
have this recognition that ourinternal feminine deserves a
voice, that our internalfeminine deserves to be seen and

(41:13):
heard and flowed with.
And what does that look like aswe approach Reiki?
How does Reiki want to flowfrom us in a way of ease and
flow, if we know about themasculine and we know about the
feminine?
The masculine is the structure,the masculine is the routine.
The masculine is this black andwhite here are the borders and

(41:35):
the feminine is the wildness.
It's the flow, it's the organicright.
We need more of that, and Ithink we have been building
towards that since 2019, sincethe tree has fallen right, and
so I just really felt like thishas wisdom for the Reiki

(41:57):
community beyond.
We need to rebuild a temple.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah, and that's such a powerful way of being able to
look at it is looking at theenergetic patterns, and I think
it's a really interestingconversation to have because I
know that there are so manypeople in our community alone
who have gotten so much out ofwhether for the positive or for
the negative, that idea ofmasculine versus feminine.

(42:23):
It can be this reallyempowering concept where it
helps us to open up to the factthat we have, like you're saying
, both we have the structure andwe have the flow, and it can
also be this reallydisempowering concept if it's
not seen with that gentlenessand that openness and the
fluidity of everything that isencapsulated in that.

(42:46):
I think, because of our culturetoday, especially here in the
West, the idea of gender andthings like that, those words
can our mind can kind of latchonto them.
You know, and I love that ideaof going back to looking at the
masculine is the structure.
It's not masculine man, it'smasculine the structure, the
foundation, the solidity, andit's not feminine woman, it's

(43:10):
the flow, the trust, theintuition, that wildness to it
and bringing that awareness backthat both are present, both are
there, and we don't see that alot in our Reiki practice.
You know we talk about this withour students all the time.
Oftentimes the first thing youlearn in your Reiki training,
right, is these are the handpositions.
This is where your hands go todo X, y, z, and that is a really

(43:33):
rigid structure.
And Chantel and I spoke lastweek in our conversation about
Reiki about how one of the firstkind of ignitions or sparks of
awareness that happens as youstart to step out of that box is
that moment where you let yourhands intuitively go where
they're called to go, leaninginto that feminine energy of
trusting that internalwellspring of wisdom and

(43:56):
intuition and flow.
And so I'm curious, as you'renoticing all of these patterns,
as you're watching this storyunfold, how were you bringing
that back down the mountain andback into your own personal
practice?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Oh, I love that question.
Well, I it didn't reallysolidify until I hit Okinawa,
like and I think that's a reallycrucial part of the story,
because in Japan this is a lotof feminine energy, because it's
an island, there's a lot ofwater, there's a lot of fish,

(44:30):
there's a lot of innate flow andthere's this masculine energy
that comes in to try to controlit, like this is where I was
seeing the very perfectlymanicured trees, right, the
perfect manicured Zen gardens,the perfectly manicured meals,
right, like everything had to beperfect, right.

(44:50):
And then you go to Okinawa.
Okinawa, I didn't see a singletemple, I didn't see a single
shrine.
It is a place where the tropicsare wild and the feminine
energy there of it just being amess and being exalted for it

(45:11):
being a mess, was there.
So I traveled North to we.
We didn't stay near the city,we traveled North.
We were very close to the tipof the mountain, was half an
hour to the top of the mountain,car drive away, and there there
is a space called assumingspiritual hikes and it was

(45:32):
glorious.
I had the most profoundexperience in this forest
because, in contrast withmainland Japan, this place was a
fucking mess and I loved it.
It was dark and it was eerieand it was wet and it was so
primitive and full of life andeverything wanted to grow and

(45:58):
there was no manicuring of it,it was twisted and it was ugly
and it was beautiful at the sametime, right.
And so, landing there and goingup to to the spiritual hikes,
there was places, there was thegeo force forest, and you have
all these strewn limestone rocks, like it looks like an asteroid

(46:20):
hit the earth and it'severywhere, and literally the
tectonic plate this is the tipof it, and you have all this
limestone everywhere and becauseit's limestone, it erodes with
the water and so everything hasall these rocks, have these
pockets, these holes, and theholes feel feminine.
The holes feel like this letlife grow here, and so the

(46:43):
plants were growing out of theseholes everywhere, and so
there's rocks and there's life,and so it almost felt like the
rocks are the masculine, butholy shit, it is it.
The feminine is like I'm goingto grow in anything, anything
that you give to me, I will growout of it, and she just

(47:05):
explodes there.
Well, the next two hikes in this, in this, you know, container
of the forest, this is Sumispiritual hikes is, there's the
shaman's forest and then there'sthe spiritual forest.
Now, this, literally, is thename, so, like if you're getting
caught up on the word shaman,that is the translation directly

(47:27):
.
And so these are the spaces theshaman's forest and the
spiritual forest are the placewhere women shamans not
masculine shamans women shamansand priestesses would go over a
hundred years ago to this forestto do their rituals, to do
their practices Right, and ofcourse they would like.
The femininity is dripping fromthis place, right.

(47:50):
And so it was this contrastthat really started to get to me
.
Because I'm reading I'm stillreading this chariot to freedom.
I'm reading this book andgetting more and more mad.
I'm getting this is.
It has moved from dissonance toanger, right, I'm reading a
chapter on the eight levels ofhell and I'm like, oh, my

(48:11):
fucking God, like I'm so donewith this book.
I'm flipping through, it justkeeps going and going and going
and I'm just like I can't readthis book anymore because I know
my truth and it's not going tobe found in this book, it's
found in this forest.
So I didn't go just once, I wenttwice.
The first time I went, we werecaught in a full on downpour,

(48:35):
rainstorm and it was glorious, Iwas ecstatic, I felt like I was
being blessed and I felt like Iwas being washed clean from the
the, the anger, the distance ofwhat I felt in Japan and the
elements there that I wasreceiving, and just wanted to
revel in the glorious nature ofthe mess that this forest was

(48:57):
being honored for.
And then I went a second time,so I went in the downpour and
then two days later, just that,like I think, I cried, I was
upset, like there was all thesethings that were starting to
move inside of me and I neededto go again.
I needed to go back, and so wedid.

(49:19):
We went back the second timeand it was sunny and it was
windy and it was different.
Nature was showing updifferently this day and it was
like all of the bugs andcritters had come out the snails
, the caterpillars, the lizards,the, the beetles, the uh, the

(49:41):
birds, the butterflies, like itwas all there and so it.
And once again it was thisglorious feminine energy that
stood out, and even more sowhere they have a little museum
and there's this fossilized,huge shell I mean it's like a
foot and a half, maybe two feettall crystallized shell that the

(50:04):
label on it is like worship,prayer, like that's the
translation of it, and I'm likewhat the fuck is this?
And it's a shell that's beenfossilized with a big hole in it
that looks like a Yoni, like itlooks like.
And this came from thismountain here, where the
priestesses did their rituals,is the place where the women

(50:26):
shaman were known to do theirwork.
And here are these objects ofworship and you could tell
oftentimes like while you walkthrough, like this was this.
Like the label on some of thethings in the forest were like
this is the pelvis stone.
If you have female healthissues, sit on the pelvis stone.

(50:48):
You know, like there wereelements like that throughout,
where it's like yeah, yeah, yeah, there's something really
important here going on.
And I could feel the history ofthis space just as much as I
could feel the history of thetemple on Mount Hi'i, right Like
I can.
I had a physical remembrance ofthe place and it was so

(51:14):
beautiful and such an alignmentfor me, like I can speak highly
of Mount Hi'i and I can start totalk just as highly as this
forest, right, like it wasn'tthat one was bad and one is good
.
It just I could feel theresonance of this place, of
going.
This is what's in alignment forme, and to be to come to myself

(51:38):
and say I am okay being a mess.
I am okay and all of myemotions and how they're showing
up, I'm okay with it being darkand wet and messy and there's
nothing innately broken about me.
I don't need to fix it, I don'tneed to curate it, I don't need
to trim it away, I don't needto morph myself into something

(52:02):
that I am not.
So I can match this perfectimage of oftentimes what I saw
in mainland Japan.
I'm okay being the mess.
I love it here.
I love the mess.
I love that it can be masculineand feminine and utilized for
growth and it be just this everliving being.

(52:22):
And so that really was like thecontrast was really what set
everything in.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
And so how is that, now that you've had time to kind
of come back into your dailylife a little bit more and
you've had these reallybeautiful contrasting
experiences of those reallycurated temples with the
masculine energy and the wildnature with a feminine energy
and you're coming back into yourdaily life with the awareness
of both, how is that landing?

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I have to say I have a really amazing boyfriend who
got to witness this whole thingwhile it was happening and knew
from the beginning that when Itold him about Japan early on he
was like I don't think that's aplace I ever want to go.
He's more of a feminist than Iam and so when I got to Okinawa
and I was falling apart like Iwas emotionally falling apart he

(53:16):
was able to hold me in thatspace of there's nothing wrong.
There's nothing wrong with you.
You are beautiful just the wayyou are and have that match with
my experience.
And then come home to to hisopen arms and having be with him
and be able to integrate withhim has just been amazing.

(53:41):
It's just been amazing becauseI really have recognized that it
does take a bit of dissonance,it takes a bit of anger for me
to really fully show up.
That bit of anger really helpsme move and to show up in the
world.
You can see how my posts havechanged.
They went from pretty picturesto I'm upset about this Right

(54:05):
Like, and you can feel theenergy switch behind it and
people resonate with that,because I think women in
particular are feeling that too,that they're feeling like I
don't want to have to makemyself perfect, I want to be
okay, that I'm a mess and thatlife is messy and that's okay

(54:26):
and that women's voices areimportant in the spiritual world
.
And how do I want to understandmy femininity femininity not to
squash out the masculine, justto honor that internal side of
me and that's resonating forpeople Like I feel that, and
also having his little push ofgoing can love and passion also

(54:52):
wake you up to express yourselfequally, with that just as much
fire, but coming from a place oflove.
Right, and so we've been ableto have some sacred ceremonies
since I've been home, likesacred communication ceremonies,
Let me emphasize, like there'swe're not doing plant medicine
or anything like that, but ableto come to a place of I want to

(55:15):
turn inward.
I want to turn inward to myheart space, because it's all
within us, in our heart space,and I think that's really what
I'm hoping to reveal in theReiki masters teacher training
that's coming up is there's,there's these masculine entities
, deities on the mountain, andthen there's Kanaan, and Kanaan

(55:36):
is the heart space and she canreside within us and can we tap
into her voice from within.
And I felt very disconnectedfrom my internal voice, Like I
felt like I had to find herexternally or I needed to go to
a practice to find herexternally.

(55:57):
And yesterday morning I was.
I woke up early because of myjet lag and I'm like she's in me
, she is inside of me and thisis what you teach, Isabel, on
soul speak.
I'm like I need to turn inwardto find that internal voice.
She's not external.
How do I reach her?

(56:18):
And coming to that, I reach herand coming to that, taking off
these layers to go there, thereshe is, that's her voice and be
able to really allow her to comeforward and to give me this
support of how I she wants toteach, how I she wants to move

(56:40):
forward, how I she wants to lovein a more profound way.
Right?
So I feel like that's theintegration piece, Like it's in,
it's in us.
It's not this external Satori,it's not this external idea of
perfection, it's not thisexternal idea of how do I
perfect myself or fix myself.
It's all within and that'swhere I'm at.

(57:05):
I want to help everyone turninward and going.
How can this Reiki practicecome at it from a feminine flow
place?
How can we come in at it fromtrusting ourselves without the
rule book.
Right, Like that's what feelstrue and authentic to me and

(57:28):
there is a way for me to keepcontinuing to say yes to Reiki,
yes to this lineage, that I lovethe practice, but it's within
us and being able to show up forourselves in that way, first
and foremost, feels like that isthe foundation that I want.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
And that's such a powerful takeaway, like you can
hear it in your voice, you canhear it in the energy that
you're bringing, that depth thatI think so many of us,
especially women, but just ingeneral in the spiritual
community I think so many of us,especially women, but just in
general in the spiritualcommunity I think so many
individuals feel like they'remissing that depth and they're
missing that wildness inside ofthem, and I love that you're

(58:11):
bringing that forward.
So tell us a little bit abouthow you've got your free webinar
coming up this Thursday, whichis going to be incredible, and
the replay will be available.
And then in June you've gotyour Reiki master's class.
So tell us how all of this isgoing to filter into those and
how people can get access.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yes, I love that.
So basically, we I'm going tobe doing a webinar on Thursday
and that webinar is really goingto go through these deities of
Mount Kama, of, really, why didMount Asui choose Mount Kurama
Like, there's a lot of beautifulspaces on in Japan why why

(58:49):
there?
And what does it mean?
What did it mean to him and hisculture and his background and
what does it mean for us,especially with this new
revelation of Suigongen?
The Kami tree is downed and yetwe still have this feminine
flow and really focusing in onthe feminine deity of Mount

(59:13):
Karama because she is alive andwell there.
So I really want to go overthat on Thursday's webinar and
then for the Reiki masterstraining starting June 5th, we
are going to incorporate some ofthese elements.
So it I call it Reiki fusion.
I've been calling it Reikifusion for a few years because
there's elements of traditionalReiki, of understanding the

(59:37):
cultural context in which Reikiwas born and and and that it is.
Also, how do we bring it intothe modern world, how can we
utilize Reiki in a modern waythat respects its tradition but
also kind of loosens up all ofthat rigidity?

(59:57):
That this is the way and theonly way to practice.
I also want to bring forwardsome elements of how do we feel
that energy regularly.
I really want to teachself-attunements and I really
would love to teach in thisclass how to refine the flow

(01:00:19):
Like and it's both right there,here's the masculine structure.
Like, here's some mudras thathave structure.
And how do we come into a placeof trusting our heart space?
How can we come into trustwhere?
How do we want to practice?
Where do we want to bring ourReiki light forward and bring it

(01:00:41):
into our own personal lives andinto the world?
And, as teachers, how do wewant to practice if we let go of
some of that structure, thehand positions, the neediness to
have that rigidity around thepractice?

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Beautiful.
So the links for those are inthe show notes so that you can
register both for the upcomingwebinar on May 29th at 5 pm
Mountain Time, 7 pm Eastern Time.
The replay is available as wellfor that and as well
Christine's Reiki Fusion MasterTeacher Training, which is
coming up starting on June 5th.

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So feel free to check out thelink and enroll.
There's payment plans andeverything you could possibly
desire to save your spot in this, because Christina is bringing,
as you can tell, so much sacredwisdom and passion and personal
experiences into this and,having taken her master training
a couple of times now, I cansay that it is unlike any other
master training you will take,so I highly recommend checking

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it out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Oh, thank you so much as well.
It's been a pleasure sharingall of this with you.
I can't wait to bring more intoboth the webinar and the Reiki
master teacher training class.
Reiki fusion is somethingthat's near and dear to my heart
, and it continues to evolveEvery time I go to Japan, every
time I listen inward of how doesReiki want to show up in the

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world and within me.
Beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Thank you, christine.
We are so excited to see howthis continues to unfold and how
you continue to bring it tomoon rising, so we would love to
hear your top takeaways, ifyou're listening to this, over
in our Moon Rising ShamanicMystics Facebook group, and be
sure to follow along withChristine's journey to learn how
all of this continues to unfoldand integrate.
But until next time, thanks fortuning in to today's show.

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