Healing Burnout: Nervous System Regulation and Sacred Self-Connection

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You've felt it—that moment when you realize you've been pouring from an empty cup for so long that your body is screaming for rest. In this deeply personal episode, Isabel opens up about hitting her breaking point after months of overwork, sharing the raw truth of what happens when we prioritize productivity over presence.

This isn't just another conversation about self-care—it's a radical exploration of how our nervous systems hold the key to authentic spiritual connection and how societal programming keeps us trapped in cycles of depletion.

Through her research into polyvagal theory and the concept of "human givers versus human beings," Isabel offers a revolutionary perspective on burnout, particularly how it manifests differently in those socialized with feminine energy. She and Christine delve into what it truly means to balance masculine and feminine energies (hint: it's not about being 50/50, but finding your unique harmony), how to recognize when your nervous system is dysregulated, and practical ways to come back into balance without abandoning yourself.

Along the way, they cover:

• The cost of prioritizing productivity over presence
• Emotional and physical signs of depletion
• Radical self-care and nervous system healing
• Polyvagal theory and its role in burnout recovery
• Human givers vs. human beings
• Impact of societal conditioning on our feminine energy
• Harmonizing masculine and feminine energies (it's not a 50/50 split)
• Practical tools for nervous system regulation and self-reconnection
• Healing as uncovering your true nature, not fixing yourself
• Reclaiming intuition, creativity, and purpose
• And more!

Whether you're currently in burnout, recovering from it, or hoping to avoid it altogether, this conversation offers both wisdom and practical tools to help you reclaim your sacred self. Because revolution doesn't always look like fighting external battles—sometimes it looks like coming home to yourself and remembering who you were before the world told you who to be.

Ready to regulate, realign, and come back home to yourself? Join our Reclaiming the Sacred Self Masterclass! Click here to learn more and enroll: https://moonrisinginstitute.circle.so/c/reclaiming-th

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.

(00:26):
Each week we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy, healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and

(00:49):
balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Hello, hello and welcome backto another amazing episode here
on the Wisdom Rising podcast.
In today's episode, christineand I are back for another

(01:12):
amazing conversation where we'rediving into some of the topics
that have really been lightingus up lately.
This is part one of a two-partconversation.
The next podcast episode willbe coming out soon, where we'll
be diving more into thetechniques, the tools, the
learnings we've beenexperiencing and how we're
integrating those into our dailylives.

(01:33):
But in this part one episode weare really diving into my side
of the story.
You heard from our solsticecheck-in podcast episode where
Christine and Chantel have beenat in their lives and their
journeys.
And today we're diving intowhere I've been for the last
three weeks and why I needed totake a step back from everything

(01:54):
, as I was in the midst ofpretty deep burnout, fatigue and
a rough mental health place, asa lot of things in my personal
life were just kind of fallingapart.
And in today's episode I'msharing how that moment of kind
of being broken open byeverything and really just
letting myself take the time torest, letting myself take the

(02:16):
time to recognize I'm burned out, I'm giving too much of myself,
what do I need to do to getback into balance, has opened up
an entire new pathway oflearning.
So in today's episode you'llhear us talk about regulating
your nervous system, about howburnout shows up for men and
women and some of the amazingresearch that I've been really

(02:38):
interested in.
We'll talk about balancing yourdivine, feminine and sacred
masculine energies and whythat's not exactly what we're
often taught to believe thoseenergies look like, how we can
bring those into harmony in ourown bodies and the importance of
being able to take a step backand really claim that you are
worthy of the space that youtake up.

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So today's episode is much morepersonal and story-oriented
than a lot of our podcasts, butmy hope is that by listening to
it, you'll walk away knowingthat if you're struggling, if
you're feeling burnt out, ifyou're feeling dysregulated,
that you aren't alone, and alsogive you some inspiration and
little tidbits of wisdom andknowledge and research and

(03:22):
science and spirit that can helpyou come back home to yourself
and if you are feeling that callto come back home to yourself,
to really regulate yourself,connect deeper, find meaning
again, reconnect with yourcreativity, et cetera.
I am so excited to announce thatChristine and I are teaching a

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five-week masterclass, startingon July 21st 2025, called
Reclaiming the Sacred Self,because revolution starts from
within.
This masterclass is a five-weekwomen's circle designed to help
you break free from externalexpectations and return to the
sacred core of who you arepowerful, creative and whole.

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This is the whole theme oftoday's podcast episode my own
journey that I'm currently on ofreclaiming my sacred self and
through this masterclass,through somatic and embodiment
practices, nervous system andenergetics training and real
talk about sensuality, sexuality, creativity, safety, inner
power, inner child healing,subconscious reprogramming all

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of these things this masterclassreally invites you to explore
what it means to truly come hometo yourself.
So we're going to look at howour nervous system holds
survival patterns, how themasculine and feminine energy
dynamics inform both our innerand outer worlds, and how
disconnection from our bodyoften masks itself as strength.
So by the end of thismasterclass, our goal is to

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really create a sacred spacewhere you can walk away with a
deeper understanding of yournervous system and how to create
safety within it, using thelatest research and tools to
regulate and resource withoutabandoning yourself.
Clarity on how your masculineand feminine energies move
through you and how to flow withthem, and why that's important
in the first place.

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Embodied wisdom from bothChristine and I on how to
embrace your divine feminine inall her glory.
And an honest, embodiedunderstanding of sensuality,
sexuality and sacredself-expression that ties right
along with developing yourpersonal practice of
self-connection, includingself-love, creativity, sacred
pleasure, the ability to walkalong the edge of growth without

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pushing yourself too far andshutting down or burning out.
This really is for the personwho is feeling that call to
reconnect with your inner world,shed societal conditioning,
come back to your foundation ofstrength rooted in softness,
honesty and embodiment, andcreate a life that feels sacred
to you, that feels like it fitslike a glove that feels like you

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can show up without beingscared, that feels like you can
embody.
That confidence and feel athome in yourself is really our
goal for this course, and it isborn out of everything that
Christina and I have beenlearning in our personal life.
So this isn't something that youknow.
We're teaching these topicsbecause they're there.
It's we're teaching thesebecause we've really been

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walking the walk ourselves forthe past few months, as you'll
hear in today's podcast episode,and we want to share with you
the tools and techniques thathave been making such a huge
difference in our own lives.
So, if you're interested, thisfive-week masterclass starts on
July 21st.
You can do a one-time paymentor our two-part payment plan.

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We would love to see you inclass.
Classes will be on Mondays from5 to 7 pm Mountain Time or 7 to
9 pm Eastern Time, and all ofthe recordings will be available
for you to watch at a laterdate.
And, of course, if you're notinterested in the masterclass
but you would like to stayconnected with us, make sure you
come find us in our Moon RisingShamanic Mystics Facebook group

(06:53):
and over on YouTube as well, sothat you can stay connected and
receive all of the content, allof the connection, all of the
love that we have for thiscommunity and all of the
exciting tools, techniques,personal shares, everything that
we have coming your way.
And before we dive into theepisode, don't forget to
subscribe to the podcast so youcan get access to new episodes

(07:14):
sooner.
And with all of that said, Ihope you enjoy today's episode.
Be sure to look out for parttwo coming out soon.
Let's go to the show.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I think we're totally ready to dive into our topic
for today Self-connection,sacred space and somatic healing
and really like this abeautiful recap of what Isabella
has discovered for herself overthe last few weeks of being
away how we are going to bringthat inspiration to others and

(07:45):
really feel into our sacredhomes within ourselves.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Absolutely so.
For all of you who are justjoining us, we'll start today,
as we do, with a welcome.
Welcome back to another amazingconversation.
I am so excited to be back onthe mic on the screen today,
like I was sharing withChristine a little bit earlier.
It's been a minute since I'vedone one of these and I had a

(08:09):
little bit of the pre-showjitters this morning, because I
think we all know what it feelslike to be in the flow and in
the momentum of what you'redoing and where you're going,
and I took a really lovelycouple weeks off in June to just
reset, and so my momentum withthe podcast and the YouTube and
connecting with the communitykind of got turned in a

(08:31):
different direction, and so it'snice to be back in the flow.
But I'm also really excited tobe able to share all of the
things that I've been learningand taking away and how it's
really mirroring a lot of whatChristine's been learning and
taking away too and why we'rebringing that together here.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I love it.
I love it and I'm reallyexcited for this conversation.
I haven't really got to hear alot about Isabel's time away, so
, like part of me is just reallycurious about what she's been
diving into and I love hearinglike, oh, it's parallel my
journey.
I'm like, yeah, freaking tastic, yeah, let's go, because I
definitely have been on my ownpath and journey of somatic

(09:10):
healing work and tuning intomyself and really knowing that
that is the place where you knowour true divine essence resides
within us and you know thereare so much things that are
happening in the world that aredistractions from really finding
our home within our heart spaceand within our bodies.

(09:30):
And how can we celebrate thisbeautiful gift that we've been
given to to animate in the world?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, absolutely.
And you know, it's sointeresting because I feel like
this whole time over the lastmonth, right, so our timeline
that we're looking at here isreally for moon rising launching

(10:04):
schedule and all of theseschedules, and we just kind of
looked at it and realized we'vereally, in putting our heart and
soul into moon rising to makeit what it is today, we've
really lost touch with thatintuitive, flowing side of
things and what that means to beconnected with spirit and
letting moon rising have its ownenergy and its own momentum and

(10:24):
supporting us as we find ourown alignment.
We've really kind of steppedaway from that.
And so we took a big deepbreath and we said, okay, you
know what this summer is goingto be, the summer where we just
follow our passion, we justfollow our flow and we're going
to see what happens when wereally truly run the business,
lead the community, from thisspace of deep intuitive

(10:46):
connection, what happens.
And it was really interestingbecause we made this kind of
internal announcement, internalagreement, we looped Chantel in
and our whole team was on boardand it was really interesting
because I felt like, on the onehand, I had this really
beautiful energetic containerwith the company of yes, we're

(11:06):
going to move in flow, we'regoing to move in alignment,
we're going to move in passionthis summer.
And then, on the other hand, Ihad how I was feeling personally
, which was not great.
I've had a really intense year.
I think there was a point inMay where I stopped and I kind
of looked around and I said tomy husband I don't think there's

(11:27):
a single area of my life goingback to our life balance wheel,
those 10 areas of life that wehave right in the last four to
five months and really feelinglike I was feeling really
ungrounded, I was feeling reallyburnt out, I was feeling really

(11:49):
dysregulated and it was one ofthose where, just because of the
way that things were landingthrough the year, I just kind of
had to keep going.
You know, sometimes there aremoments in life where our soul
is calling for a break and weknow it's coming, but we have to
just kind of keep movingthrough.
And so that's really where Iwas in May and I was feeling

(12:10):
this pressure, this dichotomybetween, yes, let's lean into
alignment, yes, let's lean intoflow, yes, let's lean into our
intuition with the company.
And then where I was in mypersonal life and I had this
moment where I just kind ofstopped and you know, our last
round of Soul Rising hadgraduated, like classes were
done, teaching was done, and Itook this big breath and I

(12:33):
remember sitting back and goingI don't think I know how to
connect to my intuition rightnow Like I feel so out of
alignment, so out of flow, soout of touch that all of these
things that we're teaching ourstudents how to do and we're
sharing about and connecting tospirit and doing your journey,
working, being connected withnature and all of it.

(12:54):
It was like I sat back and I waslike I've lost it Somewhere
along the road.
This year.
I have just gotten so out oftouch.
And the reason I'm saying thisisn't so that we open this
podcast with a oh poor Isabelkind of story, but because I
really one of the things thatI've really been leaning into
over the last month, as I kindof walked from that place of

(13:16):
complete disconnection to whereI am now, where I feel like I'm
really getting back in touchwith myself and with the flow,
is that everybody has thosemoments.
It does not matter if you dothis for a living or if you have
your meditation practice afteryour nine to five.
It doesn't matter.
It's not about being furtheralong the spiritual journey or

(13:38):
better connected or having morewisdom or any of the things,
because we're human.
We're going to have momentswhere we fall out of the flow,
where we fall out of connection,where we feel like our
intuition has gone quiet.
And that doesn't mean thatwe're doing something wrong.
It doesn't mean that we're bad,it doesn't mean that we failed.
It just means that we're in aperiod of what I have been

(13:59):
calling being stretched.
I really feel like this year hasbeen pulling me in so many
different ways, in beautifulways, to help me really grow
past my boundaries.
And I was talking withChristine the other day and we
were talking about your growthedge and how you kind of learn
to walk that edge of yourcomfort zone and go a little bit

(14:20):
past it so that you can grow,so that you can continue to
evolve.
And I feel like that's reallywhat this year has been bringing
me is this opportunity to say,okay, no, I'm not, I'm not in
alignment.
I haven't been settingboundaries the way that I could.
I have been taking on too much.
I have been getting caught upin a lot of the things that are

(14:40):
happening around me, I have lostthat connection to myself.
And in all of that it's okaybecause now I have the space and
I have the opportunity tofigure out how to come back to
myself.
And it's been really amazingover the last month to watch
that transition from that momentof I am so disconnected to now

(15:04):
where I was yesterday, where Ihave this huge, big, divine idea
that I'm bringing to life andfeeling so happy and in flow
with it and so much more rootedin my self-worth and my
boundaries and my vision and allof that.
But in that process there havebeen so many moments where it
was like I see why I had to getto this point, because now I
have this piece of perspectiveor this piece of wisdom, or that

(15:26):
line in the book really stoodout to me or this conversation
really shifted my perspective.
And it's like when you kind ofone of the topics that I'm sure
we'll touch on that's reallybeen standing out to me lately
is the idea of how much we getinto control, right.
So when we lose touch with ourintuition, when we lose touch
with nature, when we lose touchwith ourselves, we feel like we

(15:48):
have to hold on to everythingthat we have to make sure that
we get caught up in.
Are the bills going to be paid?
Are the taxes going to be done?
Is my house clean?
Is it neat?
Is my to-do list done?
Have I done everything to thesatisfaction of the people
around me?
Am I doing okay?
Am I doing enough?
And we get stuck in thisfeeling of trying to control
everything.

(16:08):
But when we're in that space,your energy is so tight that
you're not open to seeing whereyou can receive help and insight
from other people, where youcan receive support from the
divine, or even where yourintuition can come back in.
And so those moments where it'slike I'm disconnected from my
intuition, how tightly are youholding onto control?

(16:29):
Because I know for me, in thatspace of burnout, it was just
trying to hold everythingtogether when what I really
needed was to fall apart alittle bit.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, absolutely.
Is there like a specificexample?
That kind of holds that for youLike?
I would love to hear like astory of what has been going on
in your life, of this situationbrought out these insecurities,
these vulnerabilities, theseplaces in which I felt like I

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needed support and I was holdingonto that control.
And this image Like what wasthat?
What was your story?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, one of the things that I'm and I've
mentioned it every now and then,but I don't know that most
people know I moon rising is notmy only job.
I hold many different roles,and one of the many different
roles that I hold is I've beenreally deeply involved in the
creation and circulation of adocumentary on homeopathy and

(17:28):
it's become this really big deal.
We've had probably over amillion people see it by now,
like my face has been all oversome of the alternative health
channels, and it's been thisreally beautiful opportunity to
bring this side of myself thatis connected to homeopathy and
natural healing and all of thisstuff, and have this project
that I've been so passionateabout about.

(17:49):
You know how do we put thisinto documentary form, to share
it with the world, to share thisidea with millions of people,
and that vision has reallypushed us along and helped us
move, and I've been working withthis beautiful team for the
last gosh I think it's been fiveyears now and I got to this
year and it just really was.

(18:10):
From December of last year, 2024, to the end of May.
Really, it was just one hugeproject after another.
So from December to January, Iwas launching a telehealth
company.
And the way that it happened isI ended up doing probably 90%
of the infrastructure for thecompany, just because that's
kind of how the dust settled.

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And then in February we had thefirst huge premiere for the
film, where like half a millionpeople saw it.
It was a really big deal.
And again I was kind ofcoordinating everything.
And then come March we wereactually we had launched the
telehealth company and then wehad to do some like internal
restructuring, just becausethat's how new companies go
Right.
And so then it was looking atall of the team members and the

(18:54):
clients and everything that wewere doing and how to
restructure that.
And once again, because I was,you know, the operations
director for the company, a lotof that fell on me.
Director for the company, a lotof that fell on me.
And then in April we hadanother huge screening for the
film.
And then come May we wanted tofigure out how to make the film
available for rent and purchase,and once again that fell on me.

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And so it was.
You know, in addition to all ofthe wonderful, amazing things
that we do for Moon Rising, itwas also this six months of
really intense work coupled witha lot of the interpersonal
dynamics and politics and things, and I just found myself
sitting there in May going.
I don't know that I want to dothis anymore.
I don't know that I like this.

(19:36):
I don't know that I enjoy this.
I am incredibly burnt out and itwas one of those where you know
, I would go to get on a meetingand I would have to like turn
off my camera because I wouldjust start crying, like my
nervous system was just thatdysregulated where it was.
I was being asked to do way toomuch and, in the spirit of
taking that radicalresponsibility, I was letting

(19:56):
myself take on too much Right.
And so it's that balance ofrealizing that the environment
that I was in was not supportingme and was really kind of
taking advantage of the giftsthat I had and was able to bring
forward.
And I was letting myself betaken advantage of right Because
I could have put the boundariesin place, I could have said

(20:18):
something, and I didn't.
And so this kind of combinationof things of over six months of
this in the dynamics and in theworkload, I was just feeling so
burnt out and so disconnectedand random crying and like two
hours of all I have the energyto do is lay on the bed every
day because my brain is just soexhausted, you know.
And so we got to that pointwith Moon Rising where we were

(20:41):
like we're going to takeeverything intuitively and I was
like I think my intuition isjust going to have me lay in bed
all day because I am too tiredfor this.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
And I was like yeah, you probably should Like.
I didn't know all of thosepieces and I felt like I knew
that you had been overworked.
And if I could give some graceon our end of just like.
And if I could give some graceon our end of just like, if you
need to lie in bed all day, liein bed all day, like it is okay,
like, especially when we, welike I.

(21:12):
Right now we have one moreclass that is having their final
class this Thursday.
You know like we're we're inwe're in our summertime.
You know like we get to take abreak and we get to enjoy the
weather, and we get to take abreak and we get to enjoy the
weather and we get to go playoutside and we get to do these
things.
And I just saw you like reallyhave like.

(21:32):
I thought I was seeing burnoutlike months ago and I was like,
oh goodness we got to dosomething for Isabel Right, and
that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Right Is part right.
Part of the reason that we'rehaving this conversation today
is because I was burnt out backin February or March and because
of the patterns that I have,because of what I'm learning is
programmed into my nervoussystem, because of the way that
my mind feels like it needs tomake safety for me in the world,
my primary defense mechanism,really, that it uses to try and

(22:05):
keep me safe, is to doeverything perfectly, to take on
the workload, to always say yes, to do it to the best of my
ability, and if it's not goodenough or what other people is
expecting, then I find a way tomake it happen.
Right, that has been up to thispoint.
The archetype of who I am is Iwill say yes to everything.
I will make it happen.
I will take on all of theseresponsibilities so that the

(22:29):
community, so that the students,so that the film, so that the
company, so that whatever it isright, has what I felt like was
the energy that it deserved.
But the problem was that indoing that, I wasn't giving
myself the energy that Ideserved, and so I had so much
energy going out and really noenergy coming in, especially at

(22:49):
a time where my husband was in areally rough spot in his
personal life.
My parents have been in areally rough spot.
My grandfather was diagnosedwith some health stuff.
Like there was just everythingpossible happening right.
And I can look at it now and,with the lovely support of
Christine and our Moon Risingteam, right, I had two weeks to
take off in June and really hitthat point of I can't do this

(23:12):
anymore.
You know, like if I keep pushingthis way, if I keep saying yes,
if I keep believing that theonly way that I'm going to be
safe or enough or loved or stayconnected to my community or all
of these beliefs that so manyof us hold right, if I keep
holding the belief that the onlyway I'm going to keep those
connections, keep that worth,keep that enoughness and value,

(23:34):
is by producing and beingproductive and pushing myself
and doing everything perfectly,that is not sustainable and my
nervous system is literallyscreaming at me at this point to
stop and to let it go.
And so I hit a point.
I remember I was laying in bedand I was thinking about all the
things and I was like, okay,I'm letting it all go.
And it was like I think we allresonate with this right, those

(23:57):
moments where your brain is justso loud, like there's all of
the thoughts and all of theshoulds and all of the limiting
beliefs and all of the well, ifI don't do this, then I'm not
worth this, or I'm not enough,or I should be able to do better
, and it just builds into thislike white noise of anxiety and
stress, right, and I remember Iwas sitting there and I was

(24:17):
going.
All of these fears, all of theselimiting beliefs, all of these
actions that I have taken to getmyself to this space of really
deep burnout, right when I'mhaving the daily headaches and
my nervous system's going intoshutdown and I'm crying when I'm
on meetings and all thesethings, right, I'm sure that
many of the women, especially inthis conversation, can

(24:38):
understand what I'm saying.
I got to this point where Irealized all of those thoughts
that are fueling me to get tothis point are rooted in this
fear that I'm going to do itwrong, that I'm going to fuck it
up.
Right, and I had your voice inmy head, in the back of my mind,
going but you can't fuck it upand I just had this moment where
I was sitting there and I wasgoing.
I am so worried about doing itright for everybody else that I

(25:02):
am pushing myself back into aspace of illness and
dysregulation and depression,and I've been there before.
I don't want to do that again.
And so you know what?
I would rather be adisappointment.
I was like I was sitting in mybed and I was like, no, fuck
this.
I would rather be adisappointment than feel like

(25:24):
this ever again in my life andit's like this baby version of
rock bottom.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Well, and I think that's exactly like sometimes
those lessons come in so hard.
We really have to get thoselessons by hitting that rock
bottom place and knowing thatall of the structure that we had
created was to support thisfalse idea of perfection.
And the mom and the moment Iwas like let's just say fuck it,

(25:51):
If we don't want to do apodcast, we're not inspired and
we're like having to brainstorman idea, we shouldn't be doing
it.
Right, Like that's out of flow.
And the more that we can findthat place of I'm going to take
the time to go lighten up, likemeaning, like go do whatever

(26:13):
feels good to you, to come intoa place of alignment and then
whatever inspiration shows up,that's what we should be doing
and I, I, I feel like the morewe lean into that flow, the more
it's like well, of course we'regoing to do a Monday podcast
because we're inspired now,right, Like things feel good.
And even when we didn't havelike really solid topics, like

(26:37):
Isabel and I or Chantel and I,came on to do like a solstice
check-in and it was like super,like I want to say it was super
hot and spicy, Like it was likewe were in this really fun flow
and we had a bunch of people onwatching and it was just like us
hanging out talking about thethings that we love and I think

(26:58):
where, wherever that space ofinspiration comes like, we need
to cultivate more ways to figureout in our bodies and our
systems and our lives of how toget there.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And that's, you know, in that,that idea of okay, when we let
it all go and we just have spacefor those intuitive nudges and
the magic and all of it to comeback in.
And so I really ended up.
I just kind of took two weekscompletely away.

(27:30):
It ended up being closer tothree, which I'm really grateful
that I had the space to do butI was like, no, you know what, I
would rather be adisappointment.
I'm going to take these two,three weeks off and I'm just
going to do nothing no phone, nocomputer, no anything.
I'm just going to be withmyself because I have clearly
lost touch with who I am.

(27:50):
And it's so interesting too,right, like just shedding the
light of transparency on all ofthis, because I think it's
probably really easy for peopleto hear us on the podcast and
see us in the Facebook group andfeel like, oh, they have it
figured out, you know, like theyhave all of this wisdom and
their lives must be so mucheasier and all of these things
right.
And it's like no, because in themiddle of that right, I was

(28:13):
sitting there going who am I tobe teaching this stuff if I
can't even be applying it in myown life?
Like, who am I to hold spacefor students when I myself am so
deeply burnt out?
Right?
There's always this really deepdichotomy happening in your
brain because it's just tryingto protect you, right, it's just
trying to keep you safe.
And so I really went into thesetwo weeks of break going.

(28:40):
I am going to let myself be adisappointment, I'm going to let
myself not do anything, andobviously not like I'm actually
going to be a disappointment,but that's what my brain needed
to hear in that moment.
Right, Is we're going to dropthe expectations so we can just
hold space for what's coming in.
And that did look like for acouple of days, not doing
anything and just basicallybeing a couch potato.
And then that moment comeswhere you know we started going

(29:01):
for hikes or we went out innature, or I got back into my
breathwork routine and I starteddrinking my bone broth and I
got a multivitamin and I startedreally looking at where are the
places in my physical healththat I can support.
And in that, going back intothis space of what do I want to
learn about.
You know, I think that was oneof the things that I really

(29:23):
noticed is we talk with ourstudents all the time and we
talk in the Facebook group allthe time about going back to the
basics, right.
Are you drinking enough water?
Are you getting enough sleep?
Are you connecting with alittle bit of fun and play?
Are you taking care of yourphysical, mental and spiritual
wellbeing as a baseline?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Right, A little bit of fun and play like a heavy
dose.
Heavy dose, heavy dose of funand play Everyone needs a heavy
dose of fun and play, go dancing, go have great sex, like, go do
the thing that just lights youthe fuck up.
Like let's do that, right,right, like how how much of your
?

Speaker 1 (29:54):
life is actually nourishing you, how much of your
life is actually giving youthat little bit of spark back?
And I was looking back at thelast six months and realizing
that, like my life has not had awhole lot of spark in it for
the last six months.
My life has had a whole lot ofwork but it hasn't had a lot of
spark.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
And I have to say too that even when you were in
those spaces like it's amazinghow much our bodies and our
systems are ready to be on boardwith the work Like you would
come into sacred space with ourstudents, put your coaching hat
on, your teacher hat on, yourtraining hat on and you were on

(30:31):
fire.
You know, it wasn't like youslipped in those spaces, it
wasn't like you were showing upto class crying, and so I think
that's what I also want to havepeople see that like yeah, you
can be falling apart in your, inyour life, and you're still
like putting on it's not even ashow, it's, it's, it really does

(30:52):
feel like you're putting onthat hat and you're embodying
that persona and you livethrough that persona.
For that time.
You can hold it together forthat time.
So when it was time to supportthe students, you showed up a
hundred percent, right Like, andthe moment that the camera went
off and the notes were done andthe video was uploaded or

(31:13):
whatever it was then you had,then you would fall apart, right
Like there was.
And so I and I do that too, likethere's times when I'm in a
rough patch and it's like allright things are not feeling
great right now and I'm going topull my shit together and I'm
going to show up for my students, because I committed to that,
I've committed to my students,I've committed to this position,

(31:34):
and so I'm going to do itanyway, and there's times and
places for that.
The issue becomes when itbecomes this long-term thing,
which is where you end up inserious burnout, right Like you
can hold it together for alittle while doing that, but it
can't be a long-term strategy.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Right, right.
And so that's really where Istarted and where we can kind of
catapult into some of thelearnings that I'm really
bringing back with me.
Because what ended up happeningis, like Christine said, I was
in this really deep burnout.
I was feeling all these things.
I was really stuck in my head.
I made that decision of I'mjust going to give myself the
space to just exist, and I endedup picking up this book on
burnout and if anybody isfeeling burnt out, I will put

(32:19):
the link in the chat so you canread it, because it was a
phenomenal book and it wasreally.
It was a lot of it was thingsthat I already knew but needed
to be reminded of, but there wasthis one passage in the
introduction.
I think I got the most valueout of this book in the first
five pages because there wasthis passage in the book where
the authors are talking about adifferent book and I don't
remember the name of the otherbook, but they're talking about
this other book where the authorhad kind of posited this idea

(32:42):
of a society where there arehuman givers and there are human
beings, right, and the humangivers find their worth and
their value from givingeverything of themselves to the
human beings so that the humanbeings can go and live their
fullest life and enjoy thethings right.
And so it was this idea thatthere are the human givers in
our society who feel the call togive everything to other people

(33:04):
so that those other people cango experience the magic, can go,
experience the love, can go,experience their fullest life
right.
And how those human givers arerooted in this idea that their
worth comes from givingeverything away, giving of
themselves to other people, andnot receiving in return.
Right, the human beings aren'tgiving back to the human givers.

(33:25):
You know, there's not a two-waystreet and how that energy,
that archetype, is what reallyleads to burnout.
And they had this reallyamazing idea in there about how
that's rooted in the primarystories that we receive about
feminine energy versus masculineenergy.
Of what is it that I want tolearn right now?
You know, what can I receive?

(33:46):
What spark can be lit within meso that I feel that light and
that joy again?
And so I picked up this bookand I had this aha moment and I
was doing all this research andit just led me down this really
big spiral of going.
How often do we feel like wehave to give of ourselves, right

(34:12):
, I think everybody, andespecially the spiritual
community, right, we can saythat that particular pathway,
that particular story tends tobe seen more in feminine energy
and there's all kinds ofresearch and statistics that we
could go into there.
But really the idea is a lot ofus who come into the spiritual
community whether we're male,female, otherwise, right, we

(34:32):
feel that need to give to otherpeople, to give of ourselves, to
make the world a better place,to help people heal, right.
And where does that put us?
That puts us as this shellwhere all of our stuff our
suchness, as they call it inBuddhism right has been handed
out to everybody else.
And that's really where I wasfeeling.

(34:53):
I was like I really do feel likethis shell of myself.
And, yeah, I can still show upfor the students because I have
that deeply ingrained knowledgeand wisdom and I know how to do
this, and I can show up forother people because of that
human giver tendency.
But can I show up for myself?
In this moment that's a lotharder, and that realization and

(35:14):
noticing really starting tobring awareness back to what are
the patterns that my body'shaving when I'm feeling this way
.
What's happening in my body?
My heart is racing, my head ishurting.
I feel like I'm like threesteps behind myself.
I'm not really in my body.
I've got that just like deeplethargic feeling where I'm
feeling way too tired to move.

(35:34):
What's causing that?
Right, and probably three orfour years ago, I had heard
about polyvagal theory andsomatics and nervous system
healing and all of this and Ilearned a little bit of it and I
took what was needed at thetime and put it into a lot of
the trainings that we have, likechakra, metaphysical anatomy
and physiology.
There's a lot of nervous systemstuff in that.

(35:54):
But I was really just kind offeeling this voice in the back
of my head going take what youlearned from that burnout book,
go learn about polyvagal theory,go learn how to regulate your
nervous system, because it isreally clear that you are so
dysregulated right now.
But I was feeling like I reallywasn't having times of feeling
peaceful, let alone like happy,for more than 10, 15 minutes at

(36:17):
a time.
It was just like these.
It felt like my life was aminefield of anxiety and
depression and worry and all ofthese things right, and so it
was like that is not me right.
That is not me as a being.
That is, I have the tools.
I know what to do.
I'm using them now, at thispoint in my break, and I'm still

(36:38):
not feeling good.
Why?
Because my nervous system is sodeeply dysregulated and it
doesn't matter if I have thetools, it doesn't matter if I go
do a journey, it doesn't matterif I take a deep breath or use
a crystal or meditate for fiveminutes, because my nervous
system is saying we've been insurvival mode for six months and

(36:58):
now we're shutting down, youknow.
And so then it was looking atall of these pathways and
looking into polyvagal theoryand the way that our nervous
system handles things and thedifference between when we feel
safe and connected versus whenwe are in a sympathetic response
, which is our fight or flight.
When we feel like and connectedversus when we are in a
sympathetic response, which isour fight or flight.
When we feel like we have to go, do the thing, we have to
control, we have to be really,really tight in our lives so

(37:21):
that everything is okay.
And then when we go into ourdorsal, vagal state, which is
when we just shut down, right,and we fall on the bed and we
can't move for two hours, and itwas like I was reading these
things and I was like it's methis?
This is me, this human giverthat feels the need to protect
myself by giving to other people, because that's the only way

(37:41):
I'm going to find my worth.
That pushes me into asympathetic state.
So I'm constantly doing, doing,doing, and guess what I've been
doing, doing, doing for thelast six months.
And now I've gone all the wayback into that dorsal state
where I am shutting down.
I don't have the capacity tomove, I don't have the capacity
to make decisions.
My husband is talking to me andI really don't have the
brainpower to process what thewords he's saying mean.

(38:02):
This is exactly what'shappening, and so what do I do
to get it back?
What do I do to come back tomyself?
And I started really justgiving myself the grace to say,
yeah, let's go back to basics,let's recognize that right now
the basics aren't workingbecause my nervous system is so
dysregulated.

(38:22):
And so I've really spent thelast let's see what is it it's
July 7th when we're recordingthis.
I've spent the last probably twoand a half three weeks now
doing a really big, deep diveback into neuroanatomy and
neurology and psychology andpolyvagal theory and all of
these things that I love, all ofthese things that are part of

(38:42):
me.
But because I've been so busygiving myself to other people, I
forgot about this side of methat loves to learn and loves
the science and loves findingthese new tools and learning
these new things.
And so now I have so many othertips and tricks up my sleeve
where my day has really shiftedright.
I've been back at work for likea week and a half now, still

(39:05):
working on the homeopathy sideof things, setting a lot of
really good boundaries there,and I've had so many moments
where I've sat there and gonewow, I was able to speak up for
myself in that conversation somuch better than I could have
before.
Or wow, I set that boundarywith a lot of ease.
Or wow, I'm actually feelingreally good right now.
Or even, wow, I'm feelingreally dysregulated and I know

(39:28):
that I'm worthy to close thecomputer for a minute.
Go do my regulating exercisesand come back.
Because if I continue to pushmyself, if I continue to do this
piece of work or this thing onmy to-do list in a state of
dysregulation, not only is thattask not going to get done as
well, but also it's just goingto push me deeper into

(39:49):
dysregulation, and that's notgoing to serve anybody, because
then I can't show up for thecommunity, I can't show up for
my family and I can't show upfor myself, right.
And so I feel like I've comeback and obviously this is, you
know, sparknotes version of allof this.
But it was so funny because Igot to the last three days of my
break and I had this idea thatSpirit has been trying to give

(40:11):
me for like four years now.
Like I remember being I wastelling Christine about this I
remember being in my historyclass in college, like in the
history like study group that wehad to go to once a week, and I
was doodling in my notes and Istill have it, and I just got
this really clear vision, thisreally clear message of a name

(40:32):
and a logo, and I have theoriginal sketch, which is so
cool, right.
But that was like four years agowhen I was sitting in history
class and Spirit was like, hey,what if you made this thing?
And I've just kind of itstarted as now's not the time,
and then, as I got deeper intothe work and deeper into
subconsciously being andfulfilling that human giver role

(40:55):
, right, that piece that couldhave been fueling me, that I
could have been making from thisreally joyful space, just kind
of kept getting swept under therug.
And when I finally gave myselfthe space to say let's look at
the patterns that are happening,let's help my nervous system
get back into regulation, let'slet go of a little bit of that
need to be a human giver andrecognize that if I keep doing

(41:17):
that I'm going to lose myself,I'm going to kill myself,
essentially because your nervoussystem can't keep up at that
point, right, and your nervoussystem controls everything.
So when those signs of physicalhealth start to go, it's like
okay, that's a really big redflag.
So when I give myself the spaceto acknowledge all of that, to
let go of the judgment aroundthat because the other thing

(41:39):
with the nervous system that Ihave been really loving leaning
into lately is there is so muchof the work that we do in the
shamanic world and in thefacilitation world that is
helping people understand myselfincluded their limiting beliefs
and the stories that we tellourselves and the things that
are happening in our mind thatkeep us held back right.
But when it comes to yournervous system, your nervous

(42:01):
system doesn't care aboutmeaning, it doesn't care about
stories.
It is literally like an on oroff switch Is this safe or is it
not?
And so when your nervous systemis dysregulated, yes, we have
the call to figure out where wasthat limiting belief, where is
this rooted, where is thiscoming from?
But that happens later.
Our first call is to go.
Right now, my nervous systemfeels like it's in danger.

(42:25):
My nervous system feels like itneeds to fight or collapse, and
it doesn't matter if it shouldbe feeling that way.
It doesn't matter if it'ssupposed to be there.
It doesn't matter if thatresponse is warranted or not.
That's how it feels.
And so your nervous system iskind of this really amazing
black and white system in themidst of the gray of limiting

(42:48):
beliefs and stories that youtell yourselves and all these
things.
And so, when you can come backinto that and go, okay, my
nervous system feelsdysregulated.
Can I bring myself back intobalance and recognize that you
don't have a choice At somepoint?
If you're dysregulated, you'regoing to continue to be
dysregulated until you have tomake a change.

(43:09):
So you can either keep pushingit off or you can look at it and
say it is what it is.
This is how my nervous systemfeels.
What can I do in this moment tohelp take those steps to come
back into balance?
And as soon as I started doingthat and giving myself the space
to let go of that need to giveof myself, to let go of that

(43:31):
habit of being in dysregulationand to really just come back to
myself again and again and againand look at what does it feel
like if I connect with myintuition for two seconds today,
if I go outside in nature forfive minutes, if I take my walk
and I take some deep breaths andI give myself those little
opportunities to come home, andall of a sudden, in the last

(43:52):
three weeks of, or the threedays that I had left in my break
, that idea that I got fromspirit four years ago has just
come back through in full forceand it's like I've had so much
energy to be able to go make thethings, to go write the things,
record the things, create thethings from this place of really
happy excitement to do it,while knowing that that idea is

(44:18):
coming through me because Ifinally got the message.
You know that I have to show upfor myself and I have to create
that space.
We are all worthy of creatingthat space to take time for
ourselves, to take the deepbreaths, to have a little bit
more stillness and ease in ourlives and to let go of all of
the rules and the pressure thatsociety has put on us that we've

(44:41):
been programmed into, to reallylet those go and recognize
those rules never existed in thefirst place.
So, knowing that, what rulesare you going to play into in
your life?
What structures are you goingto give yourself?
How much freedom and ease canyou allow yourself?
Knowing that it's this big,beautiful combination of your

(45:01):
nervous system and your limitingbeliefs, and the stories and
how you feel worthy and all ofthese things right, and so all
of this to say, it's been thisreally interesting, really
winding pathway of all of theselittle moments where it was like
, oh, I did need to hear that, Idid need that piece of
information.
Like, for example, little storytime here, this drum that I

(45:22):
have in the background of myvideo here.
I played that drum in Houstonthis January when Christina and
I went up to do some workshopsand I fell in love with her,
loved it so much, obviously hadto give it back because it
didn't belong to me when we weredone with the workshops.
It belonged to Misty ofLighthouse Reiki, houston, and I

(45:44):
left it there with her afterthe workshops and I went home
and at the start of break I hada dream about the drum and so,
on a whim, I messaged her and Iwas like, hey, any chance that
drum is available for sale?
And it was.
And I was like great, fantastic, beautiful, so grateful that I
get to have this.
So the drum arrived and the boxwas completely mutilated, Like

(46:06):
UPS did a terrible job ofgetting me this drum.
And so we submitted aninsurance claim and Misty had
insured it for a specific amount.
And I was right on that cusp offeeling the burnout, getting
that idea coming back into myhead, and I was like, okay,
universe, let's play a game.
If we get the full refund backfrom this drum, I will take that
as a sign to go follow thisidea that you've given me full

(46:29):
force.
Right, because we have thespace to do that.
We are allowed to ask for signs, we are allowed to ask for
reassurance.
There is nothing wrong withdoing that.
And so I was like universe, ifI get the full amount of the
refund back, I will take it as asign to go do this thing.
Now, the day that the refundcomes back, misty sends me a
receipt and then she tells mehow much she's sending to my

(46:51):
bank.
And the full amount of therefund did come through.
But because of the way that wesplit shipping, I got $5 less
back from the refund than what Iwould have been the full amount
.
And I was like and so I toldMisty the story and I was like
it's just so interesting becauseI was really expecting the
universe to be like yeah, gofollow the thing.

(47:12):
And she sent me back this voicemessage and she was like you
know why that happened isbecause the universe can't give
you 100% until you're giving100%.
So that full refund is there,the universe is ready for you to
go do the thing.
That was your sign, but those$5 got held back because you're
holding yourself back, right?

Speaker 2 (47:37):
And it was like this huge aha moment of oh my God,
you're absolutely right.
I love Misty because she justdrops these truth bombs on you
and it was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
And it was this moment of once again letting
myself be open to all thoselittle breadcrumbs that life
gives you, when you're lettingyourself listen instead of
trying to be in control, andthat's completely shifted the
way that I've been looking atthis idea and the way that I've
been handling my burnout and theway that I've been showing up
for myself.
Because, yeah, who am I to askuniverse or spirit, god to show

(48:05):
up for me 100% if I'm not doingthe same for myself and for
spirit?

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, Well, and it's really interesting, Like I think
about like my own journey overthe last one, really 2024, like
that's when I was reallystruggling and I had to commit
to this radical self-lovejourney.
Like I'm sure everyoneremembers that time and space
this last winter, like reallyfrom December through March,

(48:30):
like I was really like fullycommitted to finding that, that
path, and really what I you knowI was I've been in priestess
training and power of portal andlike these, this divine
feminine energy and so much ofit is like, yeah, we're fem,
where we all have the masculinefeminine energies within us and

(48:52):
as females, we need to find thatpath of maturing our inner
masculine and our inner feminine, right.
We're maturing our masculinethat can create the healthy
boundaries.
We're maturing our feminine sothat we can be receptive and
receivers and not the giver,right.
Like all of that made so muchsense to me as I continue my

(49:17):
spiritual journey and it matchesright along with even the Reiki
precepts, like we have just forday do not anger as the first
precept.
And what that really translatesto is this is the, the toxic
masculinity is the anger thatshows up and it really goes to
the anger of the past.
It's reflecting on the pastright and just for day.

(49:37):
Do not worry, that is the toxicfeminine of overly worrying and
stressing about the future.
And so we can really step backand kind of really recognize
what energy is within myself andwhat needs maturing, what needs
support, what needs love withinso that we can fully mature
into.
This is my divine right to be ina body, to be human to.

(50:00):
These are my expectations,these are my boundaries and it's
okay for me to regulate myselfin this way, conduct myself this
way, hold this energy this wayand know that when we do that,
wow, our lives have reallyradically changed, because the
people who are just energyparasites and suckers just fall

(50:21):
away.
Like you're no longer availablefor that energetic match.
You are more likely to be.
I'm in it a hundred percent.
The universe is ready to matchmy energy because I'm doing the
work I'm fully in my life is ofdivine service and in that has
very clear boundaries.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Right.
Well, and knowing that in thatit's it's, it's all of that.
I think so much of the time weget caught up in this idea of
bringing it back into balance,right, that's like a really big
thing when it comes to themasculine and feminine energies
right now is that, you know,that yin yang idea of we just
have to bring them back intobalance, right, we each have
these energies in equal measurein us, and it's like not really

(51:02):
we have masculine energies, wehave the feminine energies,
right, and when you know, we'retalking about maturing these and
witnessing them both inourselves.
One of the things that I'vealso been really thinking about
when it comes to that masculineand feminine, or that giver
versus receiver, is it's notjust about balance, it's about

(51:23):
harmony, right, because balancecan be the scales are uneven,
but it's still balanced.
You're giving Right, but whenit's harmonious.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
I think there's a lot of people who think that it
needs to be 50, 50.
And I'm like, I don't agreewith that.
I think that the 50, 50 idea oflike I'm 50% masculine, 50%
feminine isn't a great depictionof what humans should quote,
unquote, should be Right.
It's.
It's more of like what feelsmost harmonious and inflow for

(51:56):
you and your body.
And what if that was?
I'm going to be a hundredpercent of my masculinity, a
hundred percent of my femininity, and that looks like actually
70, 30.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Right, and knowing that that can change, like there
are going to be times where youneed to call on your masculine
more than your feminine and viceversa.
But I think especially and thisgoes out beyond gender and
beyond sex, right this is whenwe look at our society, our
culture.
Today we live in a verymasculine, energy-centered

(52:31):
culture that is focused on doingand being productive, and
capitalism and all of thesethings right that are very toxic
.
Masculinity, right, and I thinkthat there's so much to
balancing our nervous system andcoming back into self and being
able to create sacred spacesfor ourselves and our community
to do the work that has torecognize that not only do those

(52:55):
energies have to be in well,not have to be, not only do
those energies get to be inharmony, that we're constantly
flowing between them, just likeour nervous system is constantly
flowing through the differentstates.
But when we can recognize whatthose energies look like in
their healthy, expressive statesversus their toxic states that

(53:16):
we see so often, it totallychanges the game, because I
think a lot of times there is somuch harm that comes from this
idea of feminine versusmasculine energy.
I know a lot of our studentscome into our programs with a
lot of programming around whatthose energies mean, and it's
like no, that's not at all.

(53:37):
That idea that the man is theprotector and the fixer and is
going to go do all the thingswhile the woman is like dainty
and gentle and feminine andelegant and doesn't speak up, is
like no, that's bullshit.
That is bullshit.
We both, we have both within us.
We have the ability to speak up, to set boundaries, to hold

(53:57):
space for others, to shine thatlight fully, and we also have
the space to think and to feeland to receive and to flow and
to hold space for ourselves andturn that light inward.
And our ability to flow betweenthose two states is what
creates the harmony, is whatcreates that safe space for you

(54:20):
to be able to walk along yourjourney in regulation, connected
with your resources, able toreceive and then able to share
those with others, to be able toflow between the states of your
nervous system, to be able todo work that lights you up and
realize I am allowed to do thiswork because all of the rules
that society has given me,including what it means to have

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masculine and feminine energy,are made up, they're not real,
and so I can have this quietrevolution inside myself, inside
my own life, where I say, no,I'm not going to do that.
I'm going to live a life ofstillness.
I'm going to live a life ofease.
I'm going to live a lifeconnected to my intuition,
knowing that all three of thosethings can take us in and out of

(55:03):
a masculine and feminine energystate, because we have both and
we are allowed to move throughthose states and we are allowed
to be connected with all ofthese different aspects of
ourselves.
And when we do that in a waythat is harmonious, not just
balanced, and we do it in a waythat recognizes that where we
are right now is enough, wedon't need to be any more healed

(55:24):
than we are right now to claimour worth, when we do all of
these things, our systems comeback into harmony, our lives
come back into harmony.
Our nervous systems can healand balance.
The way that we show up can feelso much more authentic, because
we're not trying to play intothese made up rules that society
has given us about what a workday should look like or what a

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life should look like, or whatyour energy should look like,
because of your gender orbecause of whatever energy you
feel like you have more of right, when we can let go of all of
those rules and just look at thespace in front of us, look at
the energy that we have withinus and say, just like I was
talking about with your nervoussystem earlier, it is what it is
.
How can I let it be the fullestexpression of that isness, of

(56:11):
that suchness, so that I canshow up fully, so that I can
take up the space that I wasmeant to take up, so that I can
express myself without checking?
Is this in alignment with whatsociety thinks, with what my
family thinks, with the rulesthat we're supposed to play?
Because those don't exist, youknow Right.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
And so I think that that is why, when you came back,
and last week, we kind ofreally had a time to settle into
like okay, one are we?
Are we in a place of selfliberation?
Are we in a place of expansion?
Are we ready to bring thismessage forward?
And one we wanted to do thispodcast today, but we also

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wanted to put together afive-week masterclass for the
summer called Reclaiming theSacred Self, which starts on
July 21st, and it really isencapsulating this message of
understanding how to decode, howto unlearn, how to reprogram
your nervous system andunderstand these elements of

(57:14):
like really what it means toreally come back to your, to
yourself, to your home, to whatthat means for you.
It's about remembering who youare before you, who you were
told you were meant to be, like.
It's embracing that sacrednesswithin that we were born with.
Like we have a birthright, wehave the sacred space within us,
and society and culture andreligion and all of these things

(57:37):
have reprogrammed on top of us.
We didn't lose it, it's just wehave these other programs in
place that that help us forgetwho we truly are, right.
And so what would it be like tocoming into a place of
reclaiming that sacred self bydecoding, by unprogramming, by

(57:59):
doing a nervous system resetabout how to regulate and self
resource and embody the wisdomthat we already have.
Right, like it's not.
I think that's where I getreally frustrated.
There's so many programs outthere.
It's like we need to like it'slike as if it was missing.
You know, no, it's always beenwithin us.

(58:19):
You know, it was reallyinteresting.
I'm reading with my boyfriendlast night these tantric
passages from Osho and like thesame exact message was there,
like it's always been within us.
It's always there.
And yet society has burdened uswith these overlays, so that of
patriarchal society, ofcapitalism, of whatever it is,

(58:39):
and that that has been reallyheavy on my heart, like of how
suppressed I felt even in Japan,like how heavy that programming
feels when I just want to godance and I want to go play and
I want to have these vulnerableconversations and I want to be
my truest expression of who I am.
And how do I get to do that?

(59:01):
Well, it starts with thereprogramming.
It starts with taking off thoselayers in which we've been
society has put on us.
So we start this five with weekprogram to really kind of deep
dive into the groundwork of howdo you create sacred space of
like, how do you create safetyand your your own space to be

(59:23):
vulnerable and and to discoveryour growth edge?
And how do we do that innerbalance of the divine feminine,
discover your growth edge, andhow do we do that inner balance
of the divine feminine,masculine energy dynamics, the.
How do we get to the nervoussystem and understand polyvagal
theory?
And how do we self resource todo the work and then really come

(59:43):
into a place where we canmirror within of like what does
that mean?
Where did these things comefrom?
Let's do the inner child work.
Let's look at the subconsciouspatterning, let's look at the
self-connection, so that we canget to week five where we're
really looking at power andpleasure, like what does that
mean?
Sensuality versus sexuality.
The sacred desires sacreddesires, I'm like I want to say
sacred desires Like there's areason why we have an internal

(01:00:04):
desire, there's a reason whyIsabel, four years ago, was
doodling the thing that she did,right, like those are sacred
desires that are trying to comethrough to give us messages, and
how do we cultivate more ofthose and then take action upon
them with creativity, withself-expression, right, so we're
really are starting a this fiveweek class on July 21st,

(01:00:25):
mondays from five to sevenEastern time or mountain time
mountain time so that we canreally um, we can really dive in
.
I'm really excited.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah, and I and you know, for me it really goes back
to what you were just sayingabout how that deep core of
yourself, that wisdom, hasalready been there, that soul
has already been there, what youneed to do, that inner pathway
has already been there.
I've been thinking about this somuch lately and again it's like
this is why it's so cool thatwhen we come back from our

(01:00:58):
respective learning rightChristine had her big aha moment
in Japan I've had my big ahamoments over the last two weeks
of taking a break and comingback home to myself.
When we come back, there's somuch alignment in what we've
been learning about the somaticedge, about experiencing

(01:01:18):
pleasure, not just sexualpleasure, but sensual pleasure,
being able to be out in theworld and enjoy using our
physical senses and enjoy beinghuman, because that's why we're
here.
And what does it mean?
To let go of the stories andthe programming that we've been
given about what it means tolive a good life or how we
should be, so that we can stepinto that fullness of who we
were meant to be, who we can beif we choose that path right.

(01:01:39):
And one of the things that I'vebeen thinking about lately is
this idea that we have, thatwe're like you're saying when
we're healing.
We have this idea that we're'readding something to ourselves,
that we're like getting piecesback of the puzzle so that one
day we'll be whole one day we'llbe.
Yeah, that's crazy and it's so,not true.
It's like no, everything thatyou're learning, all the living

(01:02:02):
beliefs that you let go of, allof the trauma that you heal, all
of the personality quirks thatyou uncover, they're just
surface layers that you're kindof moving around, pulling off so
that you can recognize that youthat has been there all along,
the you watching this, the youreading the page for our
masterclass, is the same youthat you were 20 years ago, that

(01:02:25):
you will be 20 years from now,that deeper, truer soul.
You has all of the wisdom andhas all of the connection and is
already whole and perfect andenough, because it is the divine
.
Within All of this extra stuffthat we say we're healing or
we're letting go of or we'rebreaking through, or all of that

(01:02:45):
, it's just layers that havebeen painted on and have been
packed on by society, by what welearned when we were growing up
, by the energies that wesurround ourselves with, by all
of this, and when we can takethe time to really break through
that.
It's not about learning thething that's finally going to
make you whole, or learning thisthing that is going to

(01:03:07):
completely transform your life.
It's about realizing that allof that is already in you.
We just have to let go ofeverything that's been put on
top, everything that's beenpushing us into this mold that
we were never meant to fit intoin the first place.
And so this masterclass thatChristine and I created is
really this culmination of allof the things that she and I

(01:03:28):
have been learning, and soyou're getting all of the
knowledge that we've picked up,but obviously all of the passion
that we have, because, as welean into our summer of flow and
intuition and connection, theseare the things that have come
through us to be expressed, ofour sensuality and our
creativity and our sense ofsafety in ourselves, in our

(01:03:48):
nervous system, in in our innerpower, and what that means to
find that harmony with themasculine and the inner, the
feminine energies, right.
And so, at the end of thiscourse, we're really here to
help you walk away with a deeperunderstanding of your nervous
system and how to create safetywithin it, with all of the new
research and with polyvagaltheory and all of the techniques

(01:04:09):
that I've been learning andtools to help re-regulate and
resource, withoutself-abandonment and the somatic
edge that Christine's bringing,and clarity on how your
masculine and feminine energiesare moving through you and how
you can flow with them inharmony.
In that back and forth.
Which energy do you need tocall on most right now?
And an honest, embodiedunderstanding of sensuality, of

(01:04:33):
using our physical senses toenjoy being alive.
And sacred self-expression,whether that looks like the meal
that you're cooking tonight orthis company that you're
creating, or the way that youuse your words.
Really letting your life beyour piece of art is something
I've been thinking about a lotlately and also developing that

(01:04:54):
personal practice ofself-connection, self-love,
creativity, sacred pleasure.
Talking about the ability towalk the edge of your growth
right To allow yourself tocontinue to expand, to allow
yourself to continue to let goof those layers that aren't you,
but to do so in a way thatyou're not shutting down, you're
not burning out like I did, butyou're really just coming

(01:05:16):
deeper and deeper and deeperhome to yourself with this mix
of nervous system and somaticwork and psychology and inner
child work, and looking at oursubconscious programming and
developing these self-connectionrituals and understanding, like
Christine said, our sacreddesires, these spirit-given
desires, and how, when we canalign with those.

(01:05:39):
That's really what we mean whenwe say manifesting, it's just.
Are we aligned with what spiritis trying to bring through us.
When we can do that, when wecan connect to our intuition,
when we connect to ourselves,when we connect to spirit,
things do get to flow, but wehave to be able to show up for
ourselves first.
And so that's really what thisclass is about is looking at

(01:06:00):
when Christine was disconnectedfrom herself and when I was
disconnected from myself.
What were the things, what werethe understandings, what were
the pieces that we needed toremember so that we could come
back home to ourselves.
And can we hold a sacred space?
For you to be able to do thesame thing, so that you walk out
of this summer feeling moreconnected to yourself, more

(01:06:21):
connected to the sacred, moreregulated, more connected to
your resources than you everhave before, is really the
desire that we have for thiscourse.
So, if you're interested, it'sfive weeks.
It's a five-week masterclassfor $3.33.
We do have a two-month paymentplan, so super easy, super
affordable, really reallybeautiful space for you to step

(01:06:44):
into this summer and connectwith us once a week for two
hours, monday nights, from 5 to7 pm Mountain Time, 7 to 9 pm
Eastern Time, and really justcome back home to yourself and
look at releasing theprogramming, releasing the
layers, so that by the end ofthe summer you can feel
regulated and resourced andconnected and sacred and

(01:07:06):
beautiful to start off your fall.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Amazing.
I love it.
I can't wait.
So we will see you there, anduntil then, may you awaken to
the whispers of wisdom risingfrom within.

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