Living Wild: Reclaiming Sacred Living and Personal Power

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What would happen if we broke the rules, reconnected with our true selves, and lived life on our own magical, divine terms? This is the question Christine and Isabel explore in this soul-stirring conversation about reclaiming our wildness and living authentically.

We dive deep into society's expectations that force us to fragment ourselves – showing only certain parts in certain spaces – and how this disconnection creates profound suffering. From having to take "hidden" nervous system regulation breaks at work to feeling we must mask our emotions to be accepted, we've all experienced the pressure to shrink ourselves to fit into boxes we never chose.

This episode is an invitation to reconnect to the wild within. Along the way, we explore:

• Reconnecting with your true self and living authentically
• Breaking societal rules and reclaiming personal wildness
• The impact of societal expectations on self-fragmentation and suffering
• Hiding emotional and nervous system needs to fit into social norms
• Reframing divine feminine and sacred masculine energies as universal, complementary forces
• Embracing full emotional expression, including the shadow self
• Personal stories of defying expectations and embracing vulnerability
• Small acts of self-expression as revolutionary change
• Reprogramming the mind to believe in the possibility of living freely

Are you ready to remember who you were before the world told you who to be? Tune in now!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.

(00:26):
Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy, healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and

(00:49):
balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Hello, hello and welcome.
Welcome back to another amazingconversation here on the Wisdom
Rising podcast.
In today's episode, you'll joinChristine and I for a

(01:11):
conversation on reclaiming ourwildness and living wild,
reclaiming pleasure, power andinner balance.
What would happen if we brokethe rules, reconnected with our
true selves, and lived life onour own magical?
We broke the rules, reconnectedwith our true selves and lived
life on our own magical, divine,empowered terms?
These are the questions thatChristina and I have been asking

(01:31):
in our own lives this year aswe're exploring what it means to
live a life that feels sacred,connected and beautifully human
on all levels, in all emotions,in all ways that we show up.
This conversation is going totake us deep into topics like
the power of embracing oursensual, five sensory human
experience, how we can reclaimpleasure and joy, how we can

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balance and harmonize the divine, feminine and sacred masculine,
and how even those conceptshave actually become a little
twisted and misunderstood intoday's culture.
We'll also share about howChristine and I are breaking out
of societal expectations in ourown life and reclaiming the
right to show up, to bevulnerable, to be human, to be

(02:15):
fully ourselves and to live asacred life.
So this conversation, thisepisode today, is really for
everyone who is feeling the callto break free from all of the
shoulds, from all of theexpectations, from all of the
pressure, and reclaim our right,as spiritual beings, having a
human experience, to be human,to be here, to be now, to live

(02:36):
wild and free and in love andcompassion for ourselves and
others, and find that base ofsacred permission to be exactly
who you truly are.
So in today's episode we'regoing to cover all of these
topics and more, and know thatthese topics, this energy, is
exactly what we're bringing intoour Reclaiming the Sacred Self

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Masterclass.
It's a five-week masterclassdesigned to help you reconnect
with who you truly are, beforesociety, before your parents,
before whatever it was told you,who you were supposed to be.
So, through nervous system andenergetics training and real
talks about sensuality,sexuality, creativity, safety,
inner power, embodiment,practice all of these learnings

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combined with this sacred spacethat feels more like a sacred
sisterhood, a support group, acircle where we can all come
together and share and reclaimourselves and show up however
we're showing up, and so we'vereally been calling this like a
five-week sacred circle.
It's an invitation for thewomen in our community to sit

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together in circle, to show upas themselves, to release what
needs to be released, to call inwhat needs to be called in, to
learn the tools to regulate andresource without abandoning
yourself, to come home toyourself and embodied, honest
conversations about, about whatit means to be a human, to be a
woman all of these things andmore.
So, if you're interested injoining this masterclass and

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you're listening to us live,know that we did decide to push
out the start date for um forthis masterclass, so we'll now
start on set on July 28th and ifyou're listening to this after
July 28th, 2025, know that therecordings, the container that
we're making will be availableto purchase on your own time and

(04:22):
move through the circle, movethrough the learnings, sit in
the energy and the conversationson your own time as well.
So the link to that will be inthe show notes.
And, of course, don't forget tojoin us in our Moon Rising
Shamanic Mystics Facebook group,which is our larger sacred
circle community of over 4,000amazing individuals walking this
path together.
We would love to see you there.

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But with all of that said,let's go to today's episode.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Welcome, welcome back everyone to another Whispers of
Wisdom.
Today we're going to be talkingon living wild, reclaiming
pleasure, power and innerbalance, and, oh my God, what a
juicy topic.
And, like Isabel has saidbefore, that, we are really
spending this time in the summerto talk on our most juiciest

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topics that are alive for ustoday, and so this is definitely
coming to the surface for bothof us and I'm really excited
about this upcoming conversation.
So thank you all so much fortuning in, giving us a listen
and following along.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Absolutely so.
I am really excited for today'stopic and I kind of want to just
kick us off by talking abouthow we named it with the living
wild, because it's somethingthat I know Christine and I have
both really been leaning intoin our daily lives.
And it was so funny because Iwas on Instagram this morning
and I was thinking about thetopic and I saw this reel come
up by this somatic therapist,because I've been really into

(06:09):
the somatics lately and learningall of the tips and tricks and
following creators who haveexpertise in that area, and
there was this one creator whoshe posted a video and it was
how to do a somatic resetwithout like in the office if
you're stressed without yourcolleagues knowing what you're
doing, which is really lovelyidea, right, the ability to take
a step back to bring yourselfback into balance, kind of

(06:33):
resource and regulate yournervous system while you're
feeling stressed in a place.
That brings up stress for a lotof us.
But what stuck out to me fromthat reel is the fact that our
work culture is so stigmatizedaround this stuff that we have
to do it in a way that nobodyknows what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
And we have students.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
we have to hide it.
And we have students come intoour courses all the time saying
things like you know, I feel sogreat when I'm at home, but then
I go to work, or then I go to,you know, take my kids to school
and I have to be with the othermoms, or whatever it is Like.
I have to go out into the worldand suddenly I feel so
dysregulated, so disconnected.
I feel like I have to hide whatI'm doing.

(07:13):
I can't find time to catch mybreath and it's like that to me.
Is that first red flag that wewe really have come so far from
our roots of being able to livewild, and what that really looks
like?
So, Christine, what does thatlook like for you when we say
living wild?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Well, it's this moment of I can be truly who I
am, wherever I'm at.
Like you know, I think that andI think this is all of you like
, not this fragmented section ofof this is my happy face.
Like, I think there's also somuch conversation these days

(07:54):
around neurodivergent peoplehaving to mask, and I'm like I
think we're all masking, youknow.
And so what if the mask wasn'ton?
What would that look like andwould?
And so what if the mask wasn'ton?
What would that look like andwould?
Could you, would you be able tofeel safe and liberated in all
of these different locations, nomatter what emotions are
showing up, right, like I thinkthat's where, um like, for

(08:18):
example, here I am, uh, at this,uh, butte Montana, montana folk
festival.
There are thousands uponthousands, like we looked it up
this morning and there's said tohave over 175,000 people at
this festival.
Wow, you could feel that onSaturday, like, I don't know if

(08:39):
that number is actually accurateor not, but according to AI,
that's the number.
And if y'all know me, like, meand crowds don't always go well
together, and there are momentswhere I am so immersed in the
music that's being presented andI'm feeling so much into the

(09:00):
artist that I shed a tear.
You know, like I'm fully inthat emotion.
Or the other morning, in Butte,like we're going out to
breakfast and I'm with myboyfriend and I've gotten notice
that someone in my community,my co-housing community one of
the children are in the hospitaland they've been in the

(09:21):
hospital for three days, are inthe hospital and they've been in
the hospital for three days.
And it's this moment ofnormally we're told don't show
your emotions, don't go there.
And here I am like, oh mygoodness, this poor child.
Right and so it's.
And right now, like it's this.
How can we say yes to all ofour emotions whenever they arise

(09:42):
?
Right and so, whether it's inpleasure or in pain or in
insecurity or whatever it may be, how can we show up in all of
us as much as possible?
Right and so?
There's so much.
No, go ahead.
Yeah, no, go ahead.
Take it from here.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
I was just going to say.
I think there's so much in,especially in the spiritual
community right now, no matterwhich space in the spiritual
community you fall in, but thereis so much of an emphasis of we
need to heal so that we don'thave those negative emotions, or
we need to raise our vibrationsso that we can feel positive
all the time.
Or we're going to law ofattraction our way to the life
that we want, and in order to dothat, we need to raise our

(10:23):
vibrations so that we can feelpositive all the time or we're
going to law of attraction onour way to the life that we want
, and in order to do that, weneed to only focus on the things
that we want, and those aspectsare important some of the time.
Right, there are times where wedo need the ability to be
resilient and to pull ourselvesout of dark places and to

(10:44):
reconnect to what is true andsacred and bright, and that is
not taking away from theefficacy of the law of
attraction and things like that.
Right, there is a little bit oftruth in all of these things,
but when it becomes thisoverarching umbrella of I am a
spiritual person, or I'm aspiritual practitioner or I'm on
my healing journey and thatmeans that I should quote,

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unquote always be happy.
I should always have thisperfect kind of veneer on me of
what it looks like to be a goodhuman, to be a good spiritual
person, to be a goodpractitioner.
Suddenly, we're starting tofilter ourselves and, like we
talked about in our lastconversation, spirit doesn't
fragment us.
Society does.
When we are called to splitourselves up into different

(11:27):
pieces or to say this part ismore or less worthy than this
part, that is a societalexpectation.
And the problem really comes inin the fact that if we are
unwilling to look at ournegative emotions, if we are
unwilling to sit with thediscomfort or to notice the
anxiety or to feel the tears andthat compassion for the child

(11:49):
who's in the hospital and thosekinds of things, if we become
unwilling to look at those, wealso become unwilling to take
action to make changes in thoseareas.
You know what I mean.
Like if we're constantlylooking at what is happy and
what is good and what is brightand what is true and we're
ignoring the shadow side of theworld, which is very real, right

(12:10):
and, from a shamanicperspective, not a bad thing.
You know we all have our shadowselves and what walking a
shamanic path calls us to do isunite those.
But if we're not willing to lookat all of it and to see all of
it as worthy to come to thetable and be felt, but if we're
not willing to look at all of itand to see all of it as worthy
to come to the table and be felt, if we're not willing to sit
with the discomfort, the broaderscope of that is that we're

(12:32):
then not willing to sit in thediscomfort with our communities,
with our society, and say whatcaused this discomfort, what's
at the root of this, what areascould be expanded, what policies
could be shifted, what waysthat we're interacting with each
other could we look at and andand re-sculpt, re-shape, so that

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we have the space to feel thoseemotions, to make the changes,
to create a world where we canactually live wild and live free
and be authentic and think.
That's a side of what we callspiritual bypassing that we
don't really talk about a lot isthat there's the personal side
of it, in that all of thoseemotions are just going to boil

(13:13):
up and out at some point andthat energy is now stuck in your
body, but when we look at thatas above, so below, as within,
so without.
That also means that if we'renot willing to look at it in
ourselves, we're not willing tolook at it around us and
actually create the changes thatare going to allow us to live
wild, not just personally, butas a culture and as a people.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well, and I think that there's so much around even
the term wild, like there is somuch stigma around being
authentic, being authentic, likeI think that the whole idea,
like I think there's a movementof trying to reclaim the wild,
or rewilding, or women aretrying to find their authentic

(13:54):
truth and power once again, andit's um, it's like this uphill
battle in our culture of sayingyou know, battle in our culture
of saying you know, it's okay tofeel the spectrum of emotions,
it's okay to sit with theheaviness, it's okay to get
angry, right, like if we're,there's so much around if you're

(14:16):
an angry woman that makes youthis right, and then we get this
label going on and what if?
What if that wasn't the case?
What if I can just be angrybecause I'm angry because
there's some injustice in theworld and this is bullshit and
whatever, right?
And so you know, I feel likethere's a just reclaiming of

(14:36):
your emotions as a sacredprocess is huge, and for so many
of us it feels like once thedam is kind of been burst open,
you've got a lot of processingto do and that's okay, like.
I feel like like when you comeinto a space where, finally,

(15:00):
those, those walls are startingto come down and you can go
deeper and deeper, andself-reflection of like why is
this showing up for me?
What angle of who I am istrying to come through now, and
is this some part of myself thatI need to love even more?
Right, not trying to get rid ofthat aspect of my insecurity or

(15:23):
whatever it is, it's how couldI love myself even more so that
she knows she's safe in thisspace of my human soup, of my
holy temple as any of the otherparts?
And so I think that there's alot of trying to like yeah, it's
that spiritual bypassing, butlike pushing away and pushing

(15:44):
down.
Because what if we all startedfeeling like, yeah, it's that
spiritual bypassing, but likepushing away and pushing down.
Because what if we all startedfeeling like what would the
world look like if we all feltinto other people's emotions and
experiences?
And I think that is where trueradical transformation as a
culture is going.
You know, I feel like there's apart of myself that remembers a

(16:07):
time and place that was adifferent lifetime, where there
wasn't words.
Everyone could feel, everyoneright.
There wasn't this language andthis um, this wall between who I
am and how I'm expressingmyself.
Everyone could just see all ofit Right, and in that way, it's

(16:30):
like you knew if someone wasupset with you and you knew if
someone was in love with you andyou knew if someone was jealous
, like you.
Just there was thistransparency in this lifetime
and there's aspects of that thatI yearn for all the time.
Like I love it when people knowme well enough, like they're so
close to me that they know mewell enough that they can tell

(16:53):
those subtle switches in myenergy and I'm like, oh, you're
listening, you're listening,even though I'm not using and
vocalizing any words, and that Ilike, I love that and I love, I
want more of that and I want tobe able to do that with my
children and I want to be ableto do that with my neighbors and
I want to be so attuned towhere they're at that I can feel

(17:15):
them and not take it as apersonal attack, like if someone
is upset with me, I can go.
I can now feel it from theirperspective.
How can I now communicate andwork through this so that we're
really honoring the other personand myself at the same time?
And I think that's when westart doing that from within,
right, there's the divinemasculine and sacred, the divine

(17:39):
masculine and the divinefeminine.
You have these two aspectswithin yourself and when you
start the conversation within,it's much more easier to do it
externally, right.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
And you know it's.
It's so interesting because Icould kind of feel everyone who
identifies as an empath in thisconversation kind of clenching
up a little bit, because theidea of living in a world where
we're all just feeling ouremotions and able to tune into
the people around us, to anempath especially if you don't
have an energetic hygiene ritualand if you're working on your

(18:10):
self-worth, which so manyempaths are that feels
incredibly overwhelming.
And I think that question thatyou asked of what would society
look like if we were all able tofeel our emotions really brings
out this awareness that, A ifwe actually feel our emotions,
they last a whole lot less.
A.
If we actually feel ouremotions, they last a whole lot
less time than we think thatthey're going to, because we're
actually letting them move andprocess through.

(18:32):
And when we live in a culturethat is so fragmented, that is
so based on your self-worth, hasto be earned by the work that
you do, the way you take care ofother people, the love that you
give to earned by the work thatyou do, the way you take care
of other people, the love thatyou give to others, the
protection that you give toothers, depending on where your
energy is at right.
When we are so based, ourself-worth is so based on things

(18:54):
that we're doing or how we'reacting in the world around us.
That means that our ability totake care of other people, our
ability to connect with otherpeople, becomes our worth and
our value.
Which means that, for empaths,the ability to feel and take on
other people's emotions becomestheir source of self-worth.
They do not feel.
We do not feel because I thinkChristina and I have both

(19:16):
identified as empaths at somepoint.
Right, we do not feel like weare allowed to witness someone
else's emotion without taking iton for ourselves.
Because we feel like we areallowed to witness someone
else's emotion without taking iton for ourselves, because we
feel like we have to fix it, wefeel like we have to heal it,
and if we don't, then we're abad person, Then we're not
serving our purpose, Then we'renot as worthy than whatever it
is Right.

(19:36):
And so in a, in a world whereeveryone is allowed to feel
their emotions and no one isexpecting to be fixed, no one is
expecting to be healed, becausewe recognize that that
conversation happens within andhealing comes from within, In
that world there's no need totake on other people's emotions,
because you can sit with themand witness it and your

(19:57):
self-worth isn't coming from.
How deep into this person'semotions can I be so that I can
help them?
It's.
Can I sit in sacred circle withthis person while they're
feeling what they're feeling andallow that process to happen?
And that's a completelydifferent dynamic.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
And that's a huge that.
I mean that ability to like.
I think this is why people goto therapy or hire a coach.
Right, like there's noexpectation that you need to
reserve your emotions becauseyou don't want to make the other
person feel bad.
Right, like there's noexpectation that you need to
reserve your emotions becauseyou don't want to make the other
person feel bad.
Right, you can just.
You can be your messy self andlike mad cry or sad cry or angry

(20:34):
cry or whatever it is Like.
You can just be in all of youremotions and there's no
expectations.
And so we have created these.
Society has given us spaceswhere it's becoming more
normalized.
Okay, if I go to a therapy, Ican do that work.
I can go to a spiritual coachor a life coach, and I can do
that work.
They're going to hold space forme.
I can go to a cacao ceremonyand I can just be exactly who I

(20:58):
am and no one's going to try tofix me Right.
And I think that's the I mean.
One of my favorite phrases islike my energy is my energy and
your energy is your energy.
And really having thisenergetic boundary of just
because I'm in witness of strongemotions doesn't mean they're
mine, doesn't mean I need totake them on, and when we can

(21:19):
start doing that work that isour inner masculine going.
I'm holding the line of what'sallowed to come in and that
doesn't make it me bad or wrongfor not trying to fix it.
It's me holding the line ofgoing.
This isn't yours to fix.
Like just because someone hasstuff doesn't mean the other
person needs to do anything.

(21:41):
And I think that's a hugelesson for a lot of empaths to
understand their own internaldynamics of how can we mature
the masculine, how can we maturein our feminine to really live
in balance and to have theseexperiences where you know when
the feminine needs to arise oryour inner masculine needs to

(22:03):
arise, to the occasion and alsogo.
This is my energy, this is mine.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, and I love that we're bringing in the masculine
and feminine into this, becauseI think it is another one of
those patterns that we're seeingin the spiritual community that
right now I personally I feellike the way that we are
approaching it is doing moreharm than good as kind of a mass
spiritual community, becausewe've had so many students I can

(22:30):
I probably need two hands tocount how many have come in and
just had these really twistedand difficult experiences with
the concept of masculine versusfeminine energy, especially when
it comes to how they show up inthe world, the roles that they
play, especially if we take itinto gender roles and things
like that.
And so I think this is a greattime to kind of dovetail a

(22:52):
little bit into how we approachmasculine and feminine energy
here, because I think it's soradically different and for me
it really is about coming backto that idea that there is just
even in energy dynamics right,we all know that in energy
dynamics your left side isreceiving and your right side is
giving.
Right there is that push andpull.

(23:12):
We see that in ourrelationships, we see that in
our communion with nature, wesee that in our own body, we see
that in the work that we do,right, that is just a natural
flow of energy.
There is one part of us that isopen and receiving and there's
another part of us that has thatoutward motion and is giving.
And that baseline is thebaseline of masculine and

(23:35):
feminine energies and it hasnothing to do with gender, it
has nothing to do with sexuality, it has nothing to do with the
roles that we play according tosociety and it has nothing to do
with gender.
It has nothing to do withsexuality, it has nothing to do
with the roles that we playaccording to society and it has
everything to do with theenergies that we want to be
calling in in the moment.
And what?
What gets me about the way thatmasculine and feminine energy is
portrayed right now, whetherit's in just kind of mass

(23:58):
consciousness or even in thespiritual community, is we tend
to say that the feminine is thisreally gentle, nurturing,
mother-like energy and themasculine is this very warrior
type energy.
And then, if you keep going andyou kind of go a little more
into the books and a little moreinto the communities, suddenly
you learn that the feminine alsohas this warrior, like, badass

(24:22):
feminine side and the masculinealso has this like sacred
protector that can hold spacefor people and it's like, yes,
because we are both and Ipersonally get frustrated with
the masculine and feminine termsbecause it's like both are both
.
We both have those aspects andso I think there's if your brain

(24:42):
is kind of rearing up a littlebit at the term masculine and
feminine and what all of thestigma and the connotations that
can come with that let's stepback a little bit and reframe it
as that kind of givingnourishing or giving outward and
receiving nourishment side, andreframe it that way in this
conversation, because I think itjust completely shifts the way

(25:05):
we look at it, because we allhave both energies and we get to
choose which side, which partof us, we want to call in so
that we can live life in harmonywith both of these energies,
all of these energies.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Well, and I think that, like, society has these
huge pendulum swings Okay, we'rein the patriarchy and now we
recognize that is bad and toxicand men are toxic.
And like there's this, thishuge amount of dumping on the
masculine because it'sassociated with right, and then
you will swing the other way andit's like and and it's just as

(25:41):
toxic over there, right, so it's.
It's like can we set aside allof like?
I mean, there's so much in ourculture and society that has
painted a picture for us toadhere to, whether it is
designer magazines telling uswhat to wear, right, or you know
, like it's all of it.
It's like how do you fit in therules If you're a true man,

(26:03):
you're going to go hunting andfishing and look a certain way.
Like there's so much of that BSthat's happening, and I think
when people hear divine feminine, sacred masculine, they just
want to pitch that out thewindow, like we're so it's.
It's something that the conceptis not coming through
appropriately.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
You know what I think about with this, though.
This is part of why I love theLGBTQ community.
Yes, because it's like it isthis collective of people who
have woken up and realized menare not all masculine energy and
women are not all feminineenergy.
Those labels, the way that weuse them, the connotations in

(26:45):
which those energies comethrough, is being completely
misused.
And we are all fluid.
We all have that fluidity ofwhere the balance of our energy
comes in, and it's sointeresting to me that idea of
again in those spaces whenpeople kind of wake up and
realize wait a second, no, thisis.
We are so much more than justthis one label, this one box,

(27:09):
and it even it makes me laughtoo, because from a shamanic
perspective, even something assimple as the sacred masculine
and divine feminine from ashamanic perspective is
incorrect, because the earth wasconsidered sacred.
The earth was the sacred mother, sacred feminine, whereas the
sky was the divine.
So it from a shamanicperspective, originally it was

(27:31):
the sacred feminine and thedivine masculine, and it's just
like even you know a little bitsemantics there, right, but I
feel like even that just showshow twisted those concepts have
become in our minds and ourculture.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, and we're supposed to be born of both the
earth and the sky, right, likewe're supposed to be in
combination of both.
Right.
And so I.
I feel like I definitely havegone down this path of
understanding those feminine,masculine energies within myself
over the last year or so, right, and the more I began to

(28:08):
realize well, really, it's beenover two years.
Well, over two years, because Irecognized at one point in my
life not too long ago that itwas mostly in my masculine
energy, and that's usually whatsociety wants us all to be,
because the masculine isproductive, right, the masculine
wants to just nose to thegrindstone, produce, produce,
produce.
And like.

(28:29):
It's very much, um, it's verystrong, like we, our society
gives this um brought, like thishonor to those that can hold
the and and be the breadwinnerand, you know, do the things and
and and it's, it's so, it's somuch, it's so much.

(28:53):
And I, I realized that in my uh,marriage, my, with my father's
daughter, my daughter's father,that I was very much in that
energy and there came a pointthat I was like I'm done, I do
not want to be 90% in mymasculine meaning, logical and
organized and dictating, andreally trying to rationalize

(29:18):
everything and those energieswithin me was exhausting and I
had brought myself to a point ofburnout trying to meet those
needs of that breadwinner role.
And I'm still in a breadwinnerrole, meaning I still am the

(29:41):
primary earner for my householdas a single mom.
And yet I'm doing it in myfeminine, I'm doing it in a
receptive, receiving, flowingway, but that doesn't mean that
I've left out the masculineright.
It's finding the balance withinyourself and so I feel like
there's so much happening in theworld of you need to be this

(30:05):
way and us trying to strive to.
I need to be this way andinstead of going what feels good
within me if there wasn't arule book, I think that's really
what.
What we like to do here at moonrising is like we threw out the
rule book.
How would you script your life?
What story would you tell?

(30:25):
How do you want things to go?
What rules do you want to make?
And there was definitely a pointwhere my rule for life was the
more fun and play I had, themore abundance I would attract.
Period right.
And that statement to my thenhusband the more fun and play
have, the more abundance I willattract was so in contrast to

(30:49):
his beliefs that it startedbreaking down our marriage.
I couldn't have fun, I couldn'tbe playful, I couldn't be in my
playful energy, I couldn't bein my feminine role because it
went up against his expectationsof who I was supposed to be as
his wife and that was really.

(31:10):
Um.
I think that's really whenthings started to shift in my
world of understanding thefeminine and masculine.
Like there's nothing wrong withme sitting down at my computer
every Monday morning and goingall right, here's my to-do list,
here's the shit that I need toget done.
I'm going to do X, y and Z.
I'm going to you know and beorganized about it.
There's nothing wrong with that.

(31:30):
It's that we.
It's like if you didn't have ascript, how are you going to be
the best version of who you arein both the giving and the
receiving side of yourself, thebest version of who you are in
both the giving and thereceiving side of yourself.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yes, and I love that story about you and your husband
because I think it also reallyshowcases the difference between
balance and harmony when itcomes to these energies.
This is something that we talkabout with our students all the
time and it completely changesthe way that you look at this,
because you can be in balance ifyou have one person in the
relationship completely in theirmasculine and one person in the
relationship completely intheir feminine.

(32:14):
That's technically balanced,right.
But then if the one who's intheir masculine starts to
explore their feminine more,they're bringing their own
energy into harmony, but it'sgoing to start to be imbalanced,
because now there's more ofthat feminine energy than the
masculine energy in therelationship and the dynamic
that you set.
And so there's a differencebetween balance, which a scale

(32:37):
can be balanced if one side'sheavier than the other, right,
or if there's more of onesubstance on the other.
The scales can still bebalanced.
But harmony happens when youare able to work with both of
those energies and have that mixand have that fluidity and are
able to move through things.
And so you know you weretalking about being the
breadwinner, and I'm in the sameplace right now.

(32:58):
Right now I'm the breadwinnerfor my family, but to me it
doesn't feel like this masculinepush, because I have created
this belief system with mybusiness, with my work, with my
money, in that I allow myself toreceive it, I create my to-do
list that's that masculineenergy and then I allow the

(33:19):
universe to help me flow intodoing it.
And so even there just showshow your intention can shift,
which energy you're in, becauseI could be making that to-do
list happen every day, or Icould be setting the to-do list,
having that organization, thestructure right, which is more
of that masculine energy, andthen allowing what fills that

(33:51):
structure, what fills thatcontainer, to be flow, to be
receiving, to be a new beliefsystem that allows me to move
through my life in a way thatfeels fluid and natural to me.
And I think that this is one ofthose things where we were
talking earlier about how, youknow, that kind of glazing over
the negative side keeps us fromtaking action in our life, but
we also can't wait for theoutside to look different until
keeps us from taking action inour life.
But we also can't wait for theoutside to look different until
we start making these changes inourself.
Because the thing is, even froma neurological perspective the
world is going, your life isgoing to shape itself around

(34:13):
your belief systems.
We see that in society, right,with things as big as the bills
and laws that we pass, but wealso see this in mass
consciousness, with the massbeliefs that we have.
Things like, you know, moneydoesn't grow on trees and you
have to work hard in order toreceive, and abundance is
selfish and self-care is selfishand all of these things right,
all of these programs that we'reall really super familiar with,

(34:36):
even if we haven't named themyet.
And again, from a shamanicperspective, that was what the
shaman of the tribe was for.
Yes, they were the medicine menand they worked with nature and
they did the journeys and theydid the soul retrievals, but
really the reason that a shamanwas kept in isolation was
because they were the truthkeeper for their tribe.
It was understood that thestories that we tell ourselves

(34:57):
are what shape our culture andwhat shape our society and what
shape the lives that we live.
And so by having a shaman whowas kept close to the original
instructions, to that capital Ttruth that we talk about.
When someone was dysregulatedor imbalanced or a relationship
wasn't working or they felt lostor disconnected, they came to
the shaman, not for thisotherworldly healing, but for

(35:20):
this really honest look at whereare the stories that you're
telling yourself strayed fromthat capital T truth right?
And I think that if we look atourselves in that way and look
at this understanding that everyrule, every societal
expectation, every limitingbelief that we have was made up,
everything about society wasmade up.

(35:41):
It just was, like anything thatis a judgment that comes along
with a should that has thatfeeling of well, I could be
doing this, but I should bedoing this instead.
It is all completely man-madeby human minds, and that means
that our mind and our soul nowhas the choice of do we want to
continue to play this game theway that it was written by other

(36:03):
humans or do we want to take asecond to step back and, like
Christine said, write our ownrules?
And I think we get so caught upin the fear of well, there's
not space for me to do that, youknow, there's not even back to
that real.
There's not space for me totake a few deep breaths in my
office without people thinkingI'm weird, right?
Something as small as that islike.

(36:25):
We feel like the outside worldneeds to change before we can
make these shifts, to live wildin ourselves.
And from a neurologicalperspective, that's where our
reticulating activating systemcomes in, because our RAS is
this little part of your brainthat is essentially constantly
looking for information in thelife around you that's going to

(36:48):
validate the beliefs that youhave.
So if you believe that youcan't take three deep breaths at
your office because yourcoworkers are going to think
you're weird, anytime you eventry, even if it's one deep
breath, your brain is nowscanning the room for a coworker
looking at you that wasn'tlooking at you a second ago, a
shift in the energy, somebodymoving behind you, something
that's going to tell you shit.

(37:09):
Now they think I'm weird fortaking that deep breath.
And so guess what?
Now you're going to stay thesame, because that's the
function of our subconsciousmind is to keep us the same.
Because same is safe, change isdangerous right, and so the
same.
Because same as safe, change isdangerous Right and so.
But that also means that, usingour reticular activating system,
if we make the change first, ifwe just say fuck it.
I'm going to take the 3dbreaths or fuck it.

(37:30):
I'm going to wear the thingthat I want to wear today or
fuck it.
I'm not going to play by thissociety's rules.
I'm going to change this onething today and see how it feels
.
The more you do that, the moreyour reticular activating system
, the more your brain, yourenergy, is going to be looking
at the world around you andsaying where's the evidence that
I do get to do this?
Where's the evidence that thiscan work?
Where's the evidence thatliving wild is actually okay?

(37:53):
And then, from that internalchange, your external is going
to shift too, because you'vemade space for yourself to live
the life that you want.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
You know I love the, the reticulated and activating
system.
God, that that that term alwaysthrows me, and you know it's
part of our primal systems tokeep us safe, right.
And so when we can understand,evolutionarily speaking, how we
would scan the world to look fordanger, right, and now we are
saying you know the world is asafe enough place that we can
scan the world to look fordanger, right, and now we are
saying you know the world is asafe enough place that we can

(38:23):
scan the world and look for thethings that are affirming to the
belief system that we want tocreate.
And that's the shift thatIsabel's speaking of, of going
we can look for around the worldat all these people are judging
me and, oh my gosh, now I needto make myself smaller so I fit
in, or I can scan the world togo.
Who is giving me permission tobe all of who I am?

(38:46):
And I love that shift becauseit's when we look to the people.
Like, for example, here I am inButte Montana, which you know I
live in a very red state.
You know I live in a spacewhere we have farmers and
ranchers and we have businessfolk, Like it's very Butte

(39:08):
Montana.
It can be very diverse.
It's very working class, oldmining town, and I just wasn't
expecting to see the diversitythat showed up.
And so you could look aroundand going, wow, look at them and
all of their fullness of whothey are and their bright
clothing or their funky dancingor whatever it was, and going, I
can see if they can do it, Ican do it too.

(39:30):
They're giving themselvespermission to be exactly who
they are Like.
For like one, there was thiscouple there that was super
sweet.
They they danced the hardestand then in between songs, they
would hand out flowers.
They brought bouquets and pays,bouquets of flowers to hand out
, to give joy to others, andtheir ability to not only fully

(39:51):
express themselves in the musicand in their clothing but also
have this desire to spread theirjoy and the easiest way
possible, by just handing outflowers, was so beautiful to
witness.
And so now it's like every timepeople come back, they look for
the people who are handing outthe flowers, right, and maybe

(40:13):
something within them wants tobe like well, how can I show up
more, more fully as me, so thatI can match that energy of like
I'm giving in a way that bringsjoy to others.
And I just saw that again andagain and again at this, this
festival of people showing up intheir sacred selves of being

(40:35):
completely authentic, wearingtheir funky clothing right
alongside the you know the veryclearly rancher type with the
cowboy boots and the big beltbelt buckles, and everyone was
fine here we are listening to.
For sometimes there was like anIraqi woman who was singing

(40:55):
with her band and you know thedrummer was from Palestine.
And to hear the crowd givetheir honor and appreciation for
these multicultural experienceswith such a diverse audience
just gave me so much hope in thecollective honoring of

(41:18):
multiculturalism.
Right, like we can all see eachother for who we are and how
can we do this more on theregular?
Like how can we if everyoneleft let's say there was 175,000
people at this festival inMontana, like that's a huge
percentage of our population,like Montana doesn't even have
like a million people in thewhole entire state.

(41:39):
And it's like if we, if everyonetook away, I could be more who
I am and more accepting of thosearound me.
And that was all that wasspread from this event.
No wonder it's been going onfor so many years, because
they're doing such good work andhelping all voices be heard and

(42:00):
all people show up as they wantto, and I just I felt so much
of that idea of reclaiming thatsacred self and reclaim like
it's happened, it's happeningamongst us in places that I
wasn't expecting, and that wasreally beautiful.
It was really beautiful.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
And, you know, I think it really just goes to
highlight again when we'retalking about reclaiming the
sacred self, for me it comesback to this idea that the
divine did not incarnate in oursouls, in this body, to be a
copy-paste of anybody else.
You know, we are every possibleinfinite aspect and

(42:43):
manifestation of the universeembodied.
And so no wonder, when we driveto work in a box and we work in
a box and we write on pieces ofpaper that are shaped like a
box and we come home to our boxand we keep ourselves in this
box of our labels and who we areand the roles that we play, no
wonder we feel so disconnectedand so dysregulated and so lost

(43:05):
and confused, even those of uswho are in the spiritual
community and looking out at theworld that is living in their
boxes.
No wonder we feel sodisconnected because we were
never, we never meant to embodyhere to live in a box.
We meant to embody here toexperience this incredibly
unique, once in a lifetime, oncein a universe, manifestation of

(43:27):
life living itself through us.
And I think we all have thisinnate awareness, whether you
want to say it's your nervoussystem and your neuroception, or
it's your intuition and yoursoul, or whatever it is.
We all have this innateawareness of the things that we
do that are life affirming.
Those moments where we wear thefunky pants that we want to

(43:47):
wear, or we have the thing forbreakfast that our soul really
wants to have instead of what weshould, or when we say the
thing that we've been trying tosay and we finally give
ourselves space to, or even whenwe just take a deep breath in
the middle of our office.
That feeling that we get, thatwarmth in our belly, that
expansion in our heart, thatfeeling of I can breathe now,

(44:08):
not just physically breathe, butenergetically breathe.
It's those life-affirmingmoments that remind us that we
were not here to be, you know,not in like the Pinterest-y,
cute little quote kind of way,but literally, energetically,
from a divine perspective.
We were not here to be anybodyelse, because that life, that
possibility, is already beinglived.
There's no point for the divineto come in, for us to come in,

(44:32):
for our soul to come in and livea life that's already been
lived.
And yet that's what society,that's what the rules that we've
been brought up in, that's whatthe structures that we've been
brought up in, that's what thestructures that we've been
brought up and to keep societymoving forward.
Right, they're there for areason, but they keep us living
the same life over and over andover again, or feeling like we
need to be living the same lifeover and over and over again.

(44:52):
And so it's like, when we startreclaiming our sacred self,
we're not just reclaimingourselves, we're reclaiming the
right to have life live itselfthrough us However it wants to,
in this lifetime, in thismanifestation, and so it's like
just take a moment to do thething.
Start noticing this would be myinvitation, and it's something

(45:15):
that I've been leaning into inmy own life is like start
noticing.
Are the things that you'redoing, life affirming, do they
help you feel that warm,expansive feeling?
Do they help you feel likeyou've got a little bit of room
to take up in your own life, orare they life constricting,
where you feel smaller?
You feel like you're shovingyourself into a box, you're
trying to fit the mold, and it'slike can you give yourself

(45:36):
permission for even just onedeep breath in your office, or
five minutes of speaking youropinion to someone that you feel
safe doing it with right?
Or having a dance party whenyou're alone in your apartment
or whatever it is.
Can you give yourself thepermission to have five minutes
every day at least, right, fiveminutes, not a lot, where you

(45:57):
can live wild and notice how itfeels?
Because the thing is, once youstart doing it, it's really
addictive, because your soulstarts waking up and saying, oh
my God, they're finallylistening again, they're finally
listening to me instead ofwhat's happening outside of them
.
And I'm really intimatelyfamiliar with that sensation
right now, because for the lastsix months I have not been

(46:19):
listening, listening and now I'mback in the space of listening
and it's like your creativitygets turned up and your
intuition gets turned up andyour energy to do the things to
be in your masculine in ahealthy way gets turned up.
But your availability toreceive and be nourished also
turns up, and so you can show upfor yourself and the people
around you in a much better way,and in doing so, you're giving

(46:41):
others permission to do the samething, and it's like, if you
feel the need to take a deepbreath in the middle of your
office, I guarantee you yourcoworkers do so.
Can we all give ourselves, andtherefore the rest of us, the
permission to have five minutesevery day this week, to just
live wild, whatever that lookslike for you, and notice how

(47:03):
does it feel?
Is that the feeling that youwant to bring more of into your
life?
And how can you keep doing that?
Because it just it doesn't haveto be these huge revolutionary
changes.
You know the, the type, thelittle subtitle on our
masterclass we're teaching isrevolution starts from within,
because it's those little actsof rebellion that spark that

(47:24):
revolution where we say I'mgoing to show up as me, I'm
going to take the deep breath,I'm going to wear the pants, I'm
going to say the thing, I'mgoing to have a dance party, I'm
going to make the noise when Ineed to make the noise that give
us the space to remember thatliving wild is not about
changing what's happeningoutside of us.
It's about giving ourselves thepermission to realize that that
space is already happeningwithin.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
You know, and I think that I want to say that
sometimes it's not easy.
Sometimes you do the thing andyou are trying to step into your
rewild self and society doesn'tcare for it, right, and there's

(48:06):
some type of pushback and wecan decide.
I think this is where we comeback to that, that space of.
I think this is where we comeback to that space of.

(48:34):
Are we noticing the affirmingcomments and affirming to
ourselves, like I'm worthy to bein this space, or are we going
to hold on to the negativitythat's brought forward, right,
like?
I think we have to rememberthat there's a choice in that.
So, for example, the my, um, myboyfriend wears these really
fancy three-piece suits to theBozeman or the Butte Folk
Festival every year and he looksamazing and there are hundreds
of comments that come his wayand, um, all very like pictures,
people taking pictures andvideos and all the things of us

(48:55):
dancing and I, I, I was expect.
I mean, he gave me a heads up,I knew that was happening and
the first two days I wore thingsthat were very, uh, culturally
accepting, that made me lookgood, that I felt comfortable in
, because it, it, it, yes, itfelt comfortable and and also it

(49:18):
matched a lot of the culturalexpectations of what a woman
should look like, right.
And on the third day I was likeI know it's going to be really
hot, I want coverage so that myI'm not going to get a sunburn,
I'm not going to get overheated.
So I wore this full lengthblouse that went all the way to
my ankles and you know it was.

(49:40):
I could have hyper focused onlike, like people pull me aside,
why aren't you matching himtoday?
Why does he look good and youdon't?
And then there, and so I justkind of figured okay, that's the
energy of today, I'm not goingto be matched by um his
appearance.
And there was another timewhere someone was like I want to

(50:02):
get your picture, and I waslike, okay, I'll let you take
the picture.
And the, the guy with the umthe camera was like no, you too.
And I was like I was totallytaken aback because it was like
oh, I don't, I'm not matchingwhat the culture says I'm
supposed to look like today.
And you know, I think we get tohave a choice.
Which one do I get to focus on?

(50:22):
Do I focus on insecurity that Iam not matching the way society
wants me to match and look good, even though I felt good in
those outfits.
I loved what I wore, but it was,it was more accepting versus
wearing something that was, um,it just didn't match.
It was more of a funky outfitand it was more like okay, I'm

(50:46):
going to play today, I'm goingto, I'm going to push my own um
comfort zone and, and there wasa part of it where, yeah, I got
pushed back Right and so it'slike but I get to choose and and
when those insecurities show up, what do we do with them?
I think that's the thing likego be all of you and then

(51:07):
recognize that, the insecuritythat does show up.
What does that tell you aboutyourself?
Right, like there's a piece ofit where you know, yeah, I don't
want to be that insecure person, I want to push her away.
Like I don't want to, I don'twant to have a conversation with
her, Like I just want to ignorethat and move on.

(51:27):
Right, or I have the choice toreally feel and process.
Where is she coming from?
How can I love her more?
Which part of my inner child,teenage self, whatever it is, is
coming forward saying love me alittle more because you've done
this in the past when you werea teenager, exploring fashion,
where you down right.

(51:50):
So there's a bit of reallyunderstanding, like as you
reclaim that internal sacrednessof yourself of going, you get
to decide and you get to loveall of who you are and you, if
you want to wear the funkyclothing, go for it and at some

(52:11):
point it's going to get morecomfortable.
But it doesn't mean like thiswhole process of like I'm going
to put on my, my wild self isgoing to be instantly accepted
by our society and culture.
Right, there's there's going tobe aspects where you are going
to learn about yourself andunveil parts of yourself that
will need love and honoring andprocessing so that you can be

(52:35):
continue on that journey of Ican be all of me and it's okay.
And I think that's one of thereasons why I'm really looking
forward to doing our masterclass is because you will have a
sacred container to do thatprocessing within, based on
these topics that we're bringingforward and I think, having
that that safety network builtin of like there's going to be

(52:59):
some spaces where it's just tooenergetically and emotionally
processed.
How does it feel to be morefully you and who you are in
these topics right and learningthe nervous system and learning
these activating actions andlearning how to come back into
self-regulation of going wow.

(53:19):
My 12 year old self reallyshowed up and does not like
myself being put out this wayand getting this type of
attention right Like there's.
There's some of that there thatis also going within.
How can I love that part of me?

Speaker 1 (53:36):
And I think that is it's why it's so important that
we have the balance of the toolsto help us regulate, to help us
process the emotions, to sitwith what's showing up, to be
able to be in the discomfort sothat we can feel, to heal, and
then we can take the energy andthe personal power and the
motivation that we get from thatto then go do the thing again.

(53:59):
Right, because I think so oftenwe have these conversations and
we think about it and everybodylistening right now has an idea
in their head of if there wereno rules.
My version of that question isif I woke up today and I didn't
know anything, if I hadn't beentaught anything about society or
what the world was supposed tolook like, what would I do?
Right, we all have an image ofwhat that is, whether it's the

(54:20):
outfit you would wear, the thingyou would say, the kind of
music you would listen to, thedeep breaths that you would take
, whatever it is right there,you instantly know.
And we sit here and we say, yes, yes, that is exactly what we
want.
And it is so easy to stay inthat energy when we're in this
sacred circle listening to thesethings and then we go out in
the real world and we don't doit and our reticular activating

(54:44):
system makes up these storiesabout well, we didn't do it
because it wouldn't be accepted,because I would get pushback,
because it would be hard,because it would be
uncomfortable.
And while all of those thingsmight be true, we are never
going to experience the changethat we want if we keep playing
by the rules that caused theproblem in the first place.
And so we hit this kind of wall.

(55:05):
We hit this moment of.
This is your ultimatum.
You get to have the bit ofdiscomfort for a moment in
service of creating a life offreedom where you can live wild
and do what you want, knowingthat you have the backbone of
tools to help you through anyinsecurities or emotions or
difficulties that come up.
And yeah, growth is going to beuncomfortable and shifts are

(55:28):
going to happen, and you'regoing to cry and you're going to
scream and it's going to beuncomfortable, but you're also
going to laugh and smile anddance and have joy in your life
again.
Or you can keep playing by therules and live that kind of not
terrible, not great experience,and I think there's nothing
wrong with either of those, butthe reason that we teach the

(55:49):
things that we do and we havethis masterclass coming up and
we show up the way that we do isbecause for us it is worth it
to do the thing, to beuncomfortable for a minute, to
stretch our horizons a littlebit in service of that wildness,
in service of that sacred self,knowing that we have also

(56:09):
created a sacred space in ourhomes with ourselves, with our
partners, with our friends,whoever it is, where we can come
back to after we've done thething and say that was really
hard.
You know, I had an experienceearlier this year where, early
this month actually, where I hadto kind of speak up to one of
my bosses and say look, the waythat you're treating me is not
okay, I'm not, I'm not okay withthis, I'm not comfortable with

(56:32):
this.
And I did a fan-fucking-tasticjob.
I spoke up for myself, I wasconfident, I was compassionate,
I knew what boundaries I wantedto set beforehand.
I did a great job and when Igot off the call I knew that I
could go to my husband and curlup and say that was enough being
big for today.
I need to be small for a while.

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Say that was enough being bigfor today I need to be small for
a while and that ability tostand up for yourself to do the
thing, to have the energy, themotivation, the empowerment to
do the thing when you want to,and then have created the safe
space to be able to process theemotions that come up, to
re-regulate yourself and to havethe awareness to navigate all
of that.
I think if everybody had thetools and the help and the
support and the space to be ableto do those things, our world

(57:18):
would be a very, very differentplace.
And so that, to me, is whywe're teaching, why we have the
podcast, why we're teaching themasterclass that we're teaching,
why we are showing up the waythat we are, because I firmly
believe that if we are shining alight on spaces in our own
lives where this kind of work,this kind of fluidity, this kind

(57:38):
of energy is showing up and haspermission to be lived, it's
going to create that space forother people too.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Exactly, and I feel like if we want society to be
more authentic, we have to bemore authentic within ourselves.
And this is that radicalrevolution that that can happen
within us.
Right, and I?
I think it's such powerful work.
And you know, like I have someclients in my life that are in

(58:10):
their seventies and eighties andit's like why do this work?
And I'm like because then youwon't have to do it next
lifetime.
It's like you know they'reready, they're ready to do the
work, they're ready to do thelearnings, because they don't,
they want to enjoy their life tothe fullest capacity.
And this is where you know likeliving in that box of what

(58:32):
society says is appropriate isonly giving you a fraction of
the joy that you can experience.
And I think you can see such adifference in your sexual life,
in your sensual life, when youstart saying yes to this is all
of who I am and my fullestexpression of who I am there,

(58:53):
fullest expression of who I am.
There are so many differentother avenues in which it gets
to show up and life can befuller, not better fuller.
There's a difference in thisunderstanding of I get to be, I
get to experience the fullcapacity of the flavors of life,
whether that is the food infront of you or the smells that

(59:14):
you inhale or whatever it may be, you get to have a more rounded
, glorious, enjoying all of it.
Because I feel like if I decidedto come into this human suit on
earth where I know it's goingto be hell like it's this, this
place is hard.
You know, no one's got an easylife.

(59:35):
I say that all the time.
We didn't come to earth forvacation.
We came here to experience allof it, all of the ups and downs,
and what if we got toexperience the capacity of what
those are?
So, yes, when I feel I'm goingto be feeling the depth of that
hurt that I might have or theinsecurity that I felt, but once

(59:58):
I move and process through that, then I also get to experience
the fullness on the other end ofthe spectrum and I feel like
that is the most beautiful partof being a human is that we get
to experience all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Yeah, and you know, it reminds me as we kind of
bring this to a close.
It reminds me of the study Ibelieve it was Harvard that did
a longitudinal study of peoplewho were about to die and they
asked them about their biggestregrets.
And it was this.
I mean, there were thousands ofpeople in this study and the
number one thing that peopleregretted was not living their

(01:00:35):
life to the fullest.
It wasn't not saving, it wasn't, you know, not saying the thing
to my boss when I should haveit was I regret that I didn't
let myself live life in themoment.
And I feel like, whether you'reapproaching this from the more
scientific nervous systemregulation, allowing your
physical body to have thecapacity to live life to the
fullest space, or you'renavigating this from the

(01:00:58):
spiritual, I want my energy, Iwant my fullest expression, I
want my creativity, my intuitionto be able to guide me through
this life and live it in color.
Whichever aspect you're takingthis from or maybe it's a little
bit of both we all feel thatcall to live our lives more
fully and I really think that,no matter what age we are,
whether we're 20 or 95, we oweit to ourselves, we owe it to

(01:01:21):
our soul that chose thislifetime to come in, to live
this lifetime to the fullest,knowing that the ability to do
so requires self-awareness, andsometimes it requires support,
and it requires tools to help usthrough the more difficult
moments, and it requires us tobe able to be present to enjoy
the beautiful moments too.
Right, it takes work, it takesspace, it takes returning to

(01:01:45):
yourself again and again andagain to let life be lived
through you, and so I hope thatthis conversation has opened up
a space where, again, even ifit's just for five minutes, you
can let yourself live the lifethat you want to live, whatever
that looks like in the moment,whether it's the cup of coffee
that you're drinking, or thebreak that you take in your

(01:02:06):
workday, or the fancy pants thatyou're wearing, or whatever it
is Like.
I hope that those five minutesbring you so much joy and
fulfillment and nourishment andinspire you to do it again and
again and again, because it'sthose moment to moment changes,
when we step up, that's going tomake all the difference.
And if you're listening to thislive, when this is coming out

(01:02:27):
and airing, and you're wantingto join with us as we walk this
journey and share it with you.
I'll know that our Reclaimingthe Sacred Self Masterclass
starts on July 21st.
The classes will be Mondayevenings from 5 to 7 Mountain, 7
to 9 Eastern, and therecordings will be available if
you can't make it live.
But we're going to be talkingabout all of this.
We're going to be talking aboutthe nervous system and the

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masculine and feminine, and howto rewild your life and do the
inner child work and reprogramyour subconscious patterns and
express your sacred desires andcreativity and really come home
to yourself, so that we have aspace where we can all show up
and be vulnerable.
We can all show up and practicethe awareness and presence that
it takes to know how we're goingto flow with our energy in each

(01:03:11):
moment and have the space andcapacity in our hearts to live
our lives to the fullest.
And so that we have the toolsand we can practice the tools to
help us through when themoments are hard or when we need
extra support, and we can dothat so that we're resourcing
our way through life and helpingourselves live it to the
fullest the highs and the lowsand all of their glory.

(01:03:33):
So if you're interested injoining us for that masterclass,
the link is below.
We would absolutely love tohave you in the circle and, of
course, if you're listening tothis episode later on, know that
the recordings will beavailable for you to watch If
you'd like to go through thiscourse at your own pace.
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
I love it.
I can't wait to step intoreally a beautiful, sacred
container to do this work withall of you.
So if you are interested, ifyou have questions, please DM us
and otherwise the link is inthe show notes so that you can
say yes to the full reclamationof who you are and all of that

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aspects and knowing that it canbe both amazing and
self-compassionate and it can bea fucking mess and all of it's
okay because you're going tohave a container in which to
process and thrive within.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Absolutely, and so I hope that you enjoyed today's
conversation, and until nexttime, may you awaken to the
whispers of wisdom rising fromwithin.
Bye everyone, thanks for tuningin to today's show.
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