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Sacred ground has a way of speaking directly to our souls and opening us up to magical experiences. In this episode, Christine, Isabel, and Shantel all gather together to reflect on the magic that was created in the first Moon Rising Shamanic Reiki Retreat.

Our first Shamanic Reiki retreat together revealed profound truths about ceremonial living, feminine connection, and the power of intentional containers. From inviting participants to find their personal trees as energetic allies, to experiencing a traditional Lakota sweat lodge that sparked incredible vulnerability, we witnessed what happens when women are given permission to simply be themselves in sacred space.

From powerful vulnerability to transformative Shamanic work, this retreat exceeded our expectations- and today we're sharing our top takeaways. In this episode, we cover:

  • Connecting to the sacred land in Clancy, Montana
  • The ceremonies and intentions we set for the retreat
  • Ceremonial living and spiritual surrender
  • Awakening feminine connection and empowerment
  • Finding personal tree allies and nature as spiritual guides
  • Our experience with a traditional Lakota sweat lodge ceremony
  • the synchronicity and flow that guided the retreat
  • Support from the natural world (hummingbirds, butterflies, hawks, elk)
  • The power of showing up exactly as we are
  • Moments of powerful growth and expansion
  • Our top takeaway and experiences over the weekend
  • The power of energetic alignment and sacred living
  • And more!

This conversation reminds us that we can live a life where every moment is ceremony, every tree is an ally, and your divine nature can fully express itself.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.

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Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy, healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and

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balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Hello, hello and welcome.
Welcome back to another amazingepisode here on the Wisdom
Rising podcast.
In today's episode, christine,chantel and I are all sharing

(01:13):
the mic a really rare occurrence, a rare treat here on the
podcast to share our toptakeaways from our recent
shamanic reiki retreat.
Although we've each traveledacross the nation to teach
workshops in person, this is thefirst time that the three of us
came together to host aweekend-long retreat up in the
mountains of Clancy Montana.

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It was truly an incredibleexperience, full of sacred
ceremonies, drawing exercises tounlock our subconscious, a
traditional Lakota sweat lodge,drum circles, fire ceremonies,
scrying, card readings, soulconnection, vulnerability and so
much more so.
In today's episode, christineChantel and myself all share our

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top takeaways, the things thatwe learned from the retreat, the
messages we received, as wellas the moments that we were
really inspired and in awe ofour participants, as well as our
complete gratitude and respectfor the woman who runs the land
where we hosted the retreat.
So this episode is a reallybeautiful peek into the behind

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the scenes of what it's like forus as a team to come together
and co-host a retreat and alloweach of our individual gifts to
show up.
We also wanted this retreat tobe easy and in flow, and we were
really surprised by how easyand in flow the retreat was when
we surrounded it with intention, with ceremony and so much more

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.
So you'll get to hear all aboutthat in today's episode.
But before we dive in, I do havea special announcement to say
that next week here on theWisdom Rising podcast, we have a
very special guest joining us,and we are now taking guesses
over in our Shamanic MysticsFacebook group for who this is.
Everybody listening to thepodcast will know our upcoming

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guest and I'm very excited toget to air the interview.
So make sure to keep an eye onyour emails and on your favorite
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light, healing and awarenessacross the planet.
And if you have heard us talkabout any of our masterclasses,
including our Reclaiming theSacred Self masterclass, know
that that course starts tonight,july 28th.
But if you are late to theparty and wishing you had joined

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, know that the recordings forall of our masterclasses are
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The link to explore the courseswe have available and enroll is
down below.
So, with all of that said,let's go to the show.
Welcome, welcome back toanother conversation.
We are so excited to be all inthe same room to record this one

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, all in the same energy.
We're just coming back from theretreat that we hosted in
Clancy and today's conversationis all about our takeaways, what
we're bringing back, theexperiences that we had and all
that good stuff.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
And just to kind of set the scene of where we were,
um, clancy, montana.
When you drive up to theproperty, it's a dusty, dirt
road and you are going throughcattle guards, you're going
through um, you're noticing thegates of the property and it
just is open.
There's a lot of open land andthere's a lot of pine trees and

(04:46):
aspen trees and it's just likethe moment you step on, like
cross that property line it was.
I think you both felt this andwere like, oh, and we have
arrived, like this is sacredground, this is where magic
happens.
And the land herself spoke tous and I really feel like our
host, the person who owns thisland, who owns the lodge, who

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owns the property, has done afantastic, amazing job of really
allowing the land to do thework, and part of our intention
of going up there was to allowthe land to do the magic for
those who arrived and I thinkthat was one of my favorite
parts was just being able toarrive and welcome that.

(05:34):
The property, the land, wasgoing to arrive for us and she
did.
She absolutely did.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, she was quite powerful.
Like just embracing us, lettingus rest, letting us be
energetic, whatever it is thatwe felt we needed to do.
She was right there to meet us,and the trees and the river,
the creek, all of it.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, and you know it's, it's.
It's interesting because I thinkso much of that too does come
down to the host that we had,that the woman that hosted the
retreat was.
She is just this incrediblepowerhouse of a woman and she's
so connected to herself, to theland, to her spirituality, and
she does such a good job ofactually living by those animist

(06:17):
principles, of knowing thateverything is alive and every
aspect of nature has medicine tobring.
And it was so refreshing to bein a space where that's actually
being lived to its fullestpotential and purpose, because I
think so often, even insituations like with Christine's
housing, we're in a co-housingcommunity and so there's not
land that's tended by one person, it's tended by a community,

(06:41):
and so there's this kind ofcommunity fingerprint on the
energy here.
But at the energy here, but atthe retreat center, it was just
so alive because the host hadkind of given the land
permission to wake back up againand share its medicine and be
present and hold space.
And it was just to me it was areally powerful kind of
testament to what can happenwhen we're actually living by

(07:03):
these shamanic principles andliving with animist eyes and
caring for the land so that itcan care for us.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, one of the first things we started off with
when, as people arrived and westarted our opening ceremony, as
we invited all of theparticipants to find their tree,
and beforehand we were like wedon't like, the magic that's
going to happen here may or maynot come from us three.

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It could, it could come from oneanother, it could come from the
land, it can come from the food, it can come from so many
different places and everyone'sgoing to get exactly what they
need out of this.
And one of the invitations islike go find your tree so that
if you are having a bigemotional responses or having a
lot come up for you, that youcan go talk to the tree about it
and not necessarily like usethe space to um, what's the word

(07:53):
I'm looking for?
Like trauma, yeah, like really,like we, we want to, we wanted
to help the space of honoring,but like if people were having
those big emotions, the, thetree can handle it, the tree can
handle it, the river can handleit.
Like all of these differentelements of nature are here to
support us.
And it was so lovely to seethat thread throughout the whole

(08:14):
entire weekend.
Like multiple times a day,people were like oh yeah, I need
to go talk to my tree, right?

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Even we were going and you know I was hanging with
my tree and knew that it wasthere to protect and to hold
space and to absorb excessenergy and to have the wind come
through and the because theaspen trees with all its million
little leaves just shakes andshimmers and it's just amazing.
So you feel it as you'reapproaching the tree and you've

(08:42):
had that connection and when youare like releasing it and how
it just shows up.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
You know I love I mean my, I love Aspen trees.
But I always forget that peopledon't have that in certain
parts of the world, and so whenthey come out to Montana they're
like oh, aspen.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Well, I really expected I was going to have one
of the big, mighty ones, andthen, when I went and started
filling into it, it was like, oh, I'm over here, and but the
interesting thing is it was theone tree behind the room that I
was at and I was like, well, ofcourse you're going to be the
tree for me.
So, yes, it worked out verywell.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, and I mean that can be an invitation for
anybody.
You know, we were talking afterthe retreat and kind of
reflecting on on after theretreat and kind of reflecting
on on some of the most powerfulmoments, and the trees kept
coming up and we were sittinghere thinking that it's so funny
that like we have phrases likego hug a tree, you know, and yet
how few of us actually go talkto the tree and go let the tree
hold you and go tell the treeyour story and go listen and go

(09:37):
share in that, you know, becausetrees have a nervous system too
.
We know that now.
So like go put your backagainst the tree and let
yourselves co-regulate.
It's something that we talkabout but we don't really
necessarily always put intoaction, and I think that was
another part that I really lovedabout the retreat is it was
this space where I was talkingwith one of the participants,
where everybody there had somekind of connection to

(10:01):
spirituality, to Reiki, toshamanism, to something Like we
were a group of women who knewthe things right, like we knew
how to do the work, we knew thetools, we knew the energy, and
yet I think sometimes there canbe this pattern of when you know
the things, you feel like youshouldn't have to do the things
because you're like I know itall, I've done it all, and then

(10:21):
you get caught in this loop oflike so I should be feeling
better, I should be doing better, and then it just becomes this
spiral of like not doing thethings because you feel like you
shouldn't have to and all ofthat kind of shame and
self-worth and all of thesethings that we really dove into
in the retreat.
But I loved that we created thisspace where we were all
actually doing the work andseeing how easy that could be,

(10:43):
like it didn't have to be hard,and also like how nourishing it
was when you actually kind oflike put that aside for a second
and said no, I have this sacredcontainer.
I'm going to go hug a tree, I'mgoing to go take my breaths,
I'm going to go do some Reiki,I'm going to go exist and do the
work so that I can receive fromit.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know what I think part of the why, why it was so
easy, like there was so muchease and flow.
And you know, I've beendragging my feet for years of
doing another retreat, becausein the past they've always been
a struggle, like it was amotherfucking struggle bus, you
know.
Like it was I and I was like Ithink I remember the time when I

(11:24):
was like I'm never doing aretreat again because it was all
, um, I had to take care of allthe food and I had to take care
of all of the planning and I hadto take care of all the
participants on my own and Ididn't have co-facilitators and
I.
It was all landed on on me andI.
It was this.
This was a huge shift into letit be easy, let the land take
care of it, let the three of usbring all of our gifts forward,

(11:52):
let the host do her thing, letthe cook do her thing.
Like there was definitely likethis shared responsibility
between all of these elementsand there is like places and
spaces where students are arewell, not students they were, a
lot of them were our paststudents and but they're the
participants were reallysupporting one another.
Like we didn't necessarily needto carry all of it, because it
was such a shared container andbecause every because there was

(12:15):
such solid it was such a solidcontainer and the fact that we
had a very specific openingceremony, we had a very specific
closing ceremony, we hadopening closings in every single
day that it really felt like no, we're, we're going to do the
um sun welcoming the sun,welcoming the East, welcoming

(12:38):
the new day ritual, and then theclosing ritual every night,
like I felt like we were in thislike really sacred container
where it became super easy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, and it, you know it's.
It's interesting in thatbecause it's again in that
container.
There was so much returning toceremony that I loved.
We had a Lakota tribe adoptedwoman come and do a sweat lodge
for us and she and I weresitting after the ceremony which
I'm sure we'll talk more aboutand we were kind of sitting and

(13:10):
reflecting on the time in thesweat and she was asking me.
She was like how often do youdo this kind of thing?
And I was like well, this isour, you know, this is our first
retreat, but we travel over thecountry and we do workshops and
we're teaching a couple oftimes a week and we have
workshops online at least acouple of times a week.
And she sat back and she waslike so so what?
Like what would you call that?
Would you say that your life isceremony?

(13:31):
And I was like that's a reallybeautiful question and I think
what I would say is like,because this is what we do and
this is the space that I hold,like I would say that my life is
sacred.
You know, like it, it justbecomes this integration of
there's not a moment where I'mnot in the spiritual or you know
I'm, you know, when I'm likeunloading the dishwasher or

(13:53):
brushing my teeth, you know it'slike it's all, it all becomes
part of it, and I feel like thisweekend was a really good
reminder of how you can infuseeverything with ceremony and
when you take the time to makethings sacred, it just really
kind of revitalizes and makeslife more vibrant.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
That vital energy flows with everything when
you're in ritual and you do livea ceremonial life right,
because it's like even likeyou're saying, washing dishes
and brushing your teeth, themundane things but if you're not
in that energy that when we getthat backed up, build up right.
So then the dishes build up,everything feels overwhelming.
But the moment you check in andyou get back into the ceremony,

(14:36):
the rituals of yourself,everything just goes back into
that flowing ease well, and Iwas.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I would really love to hear your answer.
That sarah of like, do you, doyou feel like your life is, is a
ceremony, as, like our, I mean,you really have the
ceremonialist archetype aboutyou.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
I think it's interesting because when you
said that, I was like, oh,that's a very interesting way to
think and I was like, yeah, youknow what?
I would actually say yes, Ithink that I do live a very
ceremonial life.
Yeah, because it's like thingsgo to the earth, we, I burn, I
work with the elements on aregular and I am, I do commune
with the trees, and I'm alwayslooking for the faces and the

(15:15):
spirit of the elements.
And so, um, being playful withthe earth.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah well, even like before you came, I was like I'm
gonna buy everything to make my,my face oil and I'm like you're
gonna teach me how to do thiswhat you're gonna do today right
like it's those those little,those little details.
I definitely see in you like, no, everything can be a ritual,
everything can be done inceremony, and I just really
appreciate that element that youbring forward and add that,

(15:43):
coming into um, um, into theretreat where it was, like a lot
of the workshops that you wereuh presenting really either was
a ritual or in ceremony.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, so it is interesting.
That is an amazing questionthat she asked you, cause I
don't.
I think when you live in a wayyou don't think about it, but
there's a time in my life whereI didn't live like that.
You know, I was just very fightor flight and in my stuff and
life, and then when the shifthappened which is a lot has a

(16:17):
lot to do with the people yousurround yourself with.
So, like you're speaking withthe host, mine is my partner, my
husband, and so the two of ushave really cultivated this and
I have learned so much from himand, at the same time, learn my
own, and now you know, we teachit and we live it, and it's just
amazing yeah yeah, for sure,because even down to the

(16:37):
abundance and the little moneycups you know the bowls it's.
That's such a simple way of justbeing in the ritual or the
ceremony of your own abundancein life.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, and we had.
We had.
It was.
You know, christina and I weretalking about this.
It was such an interestingculmination of all of our
different roles and strengthsand gifts because online, you
know, we have a really good.
We have a really good flowbuilt up, like we, we know our
roles, we know how we show up,we know the spaces and we've

(17:09):
built our team to reallyhighlight that and support that.
But then it's like going intoan in-person space, especially
like a retreat, where it's notjust a workshop, where we're all
co-teaching or something, it'sthis extended experience where
all of our energies are mixing.
It was really beautiful towatch us kind of find our flow
in that because, like Chantel'svery ceremonial and has the

(17:32):
rituals and was leading us increating things.
So we made these money bowls tocall in abundance.
We did a drawing exercise tolearn about our subconscious.
We did what else did we do?
We did something else.
Well, we did weave in men.
We did weave in men like toweave in all of our past
experiences and bring us backinto the present.
Like there was so much activitythat was bringing us back to

(17:55):
self from Chantel and thenChristine's very in her feminine
activation era, you know, andso there was a lot of like
ceremony around activating yourenergy and clearing out your
chakras and calling in yourfemininity and connecting to
your womb space and and thesekind of like and and working
through the sounds of thechakras, like taking this

(18:16):
spiritual, sacred energy thatChantel was bringing in and then
bringing it back into your body, back into your physical
experience, and reconnectingwith the fact that, like it's
okay to have a body and enjoybeing here and move it and make
sound and do all of these thingsthat contribute to something
being sacred.
Whereas I'm a lot more in groupspaces, I tend to just kind of

(18:37):
swoop out to being a spaceholder.
Like I'm not my strength isn'tleading people in ceremonies or
things like that Like I'm I'm ateacher and I'm I'm a mentor,
but in those spaces I'm a lotmore just a space holder, and so
my role was was leading thecalling in of the directions and
the closing ceremonies anddoing the drumming and singing
when it needed to be sung andlike holding space for that, and

(19:00):
I think it was really beautiful, because I know that for me, a
lot of times I get a little, Ican feel a little like you know
how, like, how's this going towork?
Is it going to feel balanced?
Are we all going to feelsupported?
Are our students going to getwhat they need out of it?
And it was really cool to seehow, when we again, when we all
just kind of let go and float init, how beautifully that all

(19:20):
came together.
And it was like that in-personconnection is so different from
what it is online, but we allhad this space to show up, to
hold space, to lead, to createthat sacred energy, and, by the
time it was all said and done,we had created something that
was so much more than just oneof us.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, it really flowed harmoniously, like
because it there was times whereyou know, on the outside,
looking in, it would have lookedlike, wow, there's a lot of
imbalance, like the first daythat we were there.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
chantelle did the majority of the workshops right,
but that didn't mine were a lotof root and um say you like,
yeah, because we were doing itin a certain way.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
So it's just how it flowed, right yeah yeah, and it
would, but at the same time,like, as we were doing that,
like we, we were this space hole, like it was, like we all still
had these really pertinentroles and it there was no like,
frustration of like oh, she gotthe spotlight today, or whatever
you know like that wasn'thappening and it was just so.

(20:21):
So it was just so easy.
And you know, like um,yesterday on the drive home we
were discussing what ourtakeaways were, and that was my
takeaway.
Like, this gets to be easy, itgets to be in flow.
We get to all show up inexactly who we are and it can be
easy and that was this reallylovely.
It was really lovely.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
I think we've set a really strong foundation, you
know, because we are here andyou know the zoom space.
But then when we get together,we can connect our hearts and be
physical in each other'sphysical energy and then just
allow us to be us.
And I think that's what'simportant is knowing, outside of
moon rising, we are all doingour own work individually, and

(21:01):
then we get to bring all thatmagic together and go oh my gosh
, and here we are, and this isyou, and this is you and this is
me, and we get to collaborate.
That, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
And I think that's one of the main intentions that
we wanted to bring forward isthat we didn't want to have a
retreat.
That just is what we do in soulrising, what we do in our
masterclass.
We wanted to really highlightthe things that we work on
individually and share that withour community in this way and
really have that, those powerfulmoments of like.

(21:30):
This is, this is my, mypractice right now.
This is what it looks like, andI think we did a really good
job at that, and I and ourparticipants were, oh, I mean,
they just, they just fuckingshowed up.
They just they just totally wereall in, like we from the very
beginning, like this is yourtime, this is your space.

(21:51):
So if you need to go take a nap, or you need to go walk down by
the Creek or you need to do youinstead of attending all of the
things, you, this is aninvitation to come, but you
don't have to.
Every single one of them showedup for every single thing.
And because we had in the inthe schedule like integration
breaks, like we had time to gotake a nap if you needed to take

(22:13):
a nap, and we were on it fromseven, 30 in the morning until
about 1030 every night, buteveryone was all in all, in,
yeah, Well, the dinner billhelped too, keeping everybody on
schedule.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
But you know, what's interesting is is one of my
favorite aspects of soul risingin the online classes that we do
is watching people kind of meltinto that sense of community.
Like we get on the first zoomcall and everybody's a little
like there's people watching me,like this is, this is new, this
is a new experience and andit's like over the course of a
couple of weeks they kind offind their flow and by the end
of the four months it's liketheir families.

(22:47):
But what was so interesting wasat the retreat.
It was like there was a littlebit of that energy in the
opening ceremony of like okay,here's, here's all of these new
women.
And knowing that we're steppinginto a space where we're going
to be vulnerable, not just withour emotions but with our bodies
, with our thoughts, like withall of it.
And then we did the openingceremony and we got like halfway

(23:08):
through the first activity andthere was just this pop where,
like it was like any hesitation,any anxiety, any insecurity,
anything, it just popped and itwas like and I think part of it
is because we did make such awelcoming space where I mean any
activity we did, we were allsitting in a circle, and it's
like that that hesitancy canshow up, that insecurity can

(23:30):
come with you, like put it inthe circle and we'll all sit
here together and understandthat we're all in the same boat.
And so it was like, instead offeeling like, oh, I have to be
vulnerable now, or like this.
And so it was like, instead offeeling like, oh, I have to be
vulnerable now, or like this isthe time for me to break out of
my shell, it was just like thisis the time for me to be me,
whatever that looks like, and inthat, it was just this
explosion of well, this is who Iam, you know.

(23:52):
And I feel like that was reallyhighlighted in the in the sweat
lodge too.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Well and again, again , like even in the in the
honoring exercise and closingceremony, like everyone was
really seeing and the beauty ofwho they were and that was just.
That was such a powerfulexercise, yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
And I think, because of the space we were in, we were
able to get on the couch andsnuggle and be on the couch like
on the floor.
People were not afraid to beclose, you know, and I think in
a lot of ways people are likeyou, don't like, oh, you
strangers or whatever, but thiswas a very close knit group of
women that were just free to befree.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, and since we had what seven of them had
already taken some of ourcourses, a lot of them kind of
knew each other from the onlinespace in some capacity and in
some cases, some of them had metbefore in person.
And because there was thatfamiliarity of at least of more
than half of us already have thefoundational skills of how to

(24:51):
shamanic journey, you know, likethose types of things.
And I just thought it was thesweetest, like how in flow we
were.
We were having a drum circleand a cuddle, puddle, Like we
married these two conceptstogether of like, okay, those
who want to cuddle and be close,let's all like throw down the
blankets and the sheepskins andall the furs and just cuddle up.

(25:13):
And those who want to drum orwant to dance, like drum around
us.
And at the end of thatexperience, there was someone
who was like around us.
And at the end of thatexperience, there was someone
who was like Christine, will you, will you do a shamanic guided
meditation?
And like it's 10, 30 orsomething like it's, it's the,
our sacred bubble had wasalready popped or not the sacred
bubble, but the, the closing ofthe day had already closed.

(25:34):
And they were like please, wewant your voice to go to, to get
ready to like prepare for sleep.
I'm like, okay, and we, it wasjust all very easy.
I'm like, yeah, the drama isstill going.
Like, let's just, if that's therequest that you just wrote,
easily rose to the occasion.
And here I am in the middle ofthe cuddle puddle doing a guided

(25:57):
meditation.
I'm like great, that's finedoing a guided meditation.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
And I'm like, great, that's fine, I love that.
That was a great moment.
I just created this huge bed inthe middle of this, just lawn
this beautiful thick grass rightand surrounded by a thousand
millions and millions of stars.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, oh my gosh, yes , yeah, so wonderful, yeah, you
know, and I loved the cuddle,puddle and and just these
moments of intimacy in like avery sacred sisterhood type way.
You know, like growing up I Inever had that, you know.
And it's like we created thisspace where part of the
intention was to reconnect withwhatever you want to call that

(26:36):
your femininity, your womanhood,your womb, like whatever
whatever we're calling that butthat space to like reconnect to
what it means to be a group ofwomen and the power that's in
that and there was so muchhonoring of whether you didn't
want physical touch at all oryou wanted to be like right in
the middle, and like one of myfavorite moments is we had, we'd
done this really powerfulexercise and there were like

(26:57):
lots of emotions being releasedand all the things.
And one of our students goeswho wants a hug, like I just
want to wrap myself up aroundyou, and so I have a picture of
her sitting in my lap with herlegs wrapped around me and I'm
just like holding holding herbecause she just wanted to be
held.
And it's like I just I just keptfinding myself thinking like,
whether it was the koala bearhug or the cuddle puddle, or

(27:18):
like how, when we were all nudein the sweat lodge and like
being connected with with eachother and vulnerable in that way
, Like I just kept thinking likehow different it would be if
this was the norm, you know,like if this level of whatever
you feel comfortable with,whether that's fully clothed or
no cloth, and koala bear hugs orno touch, or like if we were
just all allowed to show up andconnect in that way, whether

(27:40):
that was physical connection orenergetic or emotional, whatever
it is like the world would be areally different place.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Well, and noticing that they could ask for what
they needed.
Right, there was a level of, um, this safety that they felt
because we were in such sacredspace that if they needed
something to give, just ask forit.
Like I need a hug right now.
Or, and it was just, I think,that that amount of trust that

(28:07):
everyone kind of felt into, likeI can voice what I need and I
can be as I am and show up theway I want, and the constant
invitation to, to show up inwhatever felt comfortable like,
and just, here's the spectrumlike anywhere in this is is
absolutely fine.
And so, um, I just I just lovedit, and I think I'm definitely

(28:31):
in that space where it's part ofmy personal practice is like,
how authentic can you be?
How vulnerable can you be?
What's that?
What's that edge, what's thatcomfort zone?
Where's the stretch?
And I think every woman therestretched in some way, including
ourselves.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah right, Definitely, when they first all
arrived to and we just allwatched them unfold and tune
into themselves and then blossomand bloom and come out, it was,
yeah, you can see thetransition and even the or the,
yeah, the transition andtransformation of it and the
host and everyone that was ofthe land that they would come to
us on the like this is yourfirst retreat, this is the first

(29:07):
time and they were justimpressed and like, and even the
host was like you give me asecond like wind of wanting to
have retreats here because she'shad a struggle with some of the
other retreats before us and sowell, now we're like, we raise
the bar for her to say this iswhat I'm available for and this
is what I'm not, and I love that.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Well, and I still giggle and smile, like before we
even got on the property.
She's like you're the mostfacilitator I've ever had.
I'm like I'm the mostfacilitator.
I don't know exactly what thatis, but I like it because I
think we um, we honor all of thepieces and we can show up in
that one that professionalprofessionalism of like no,

(29:49):
we're going to have a schedulethat we're going to attempt to
follow.
We're going to have anintention.
We're going to sit in sacredspace Even before we arrive.
We're going to have like therewas ceremony before, as soon as
we arrived to the land, beforethe students that we did another
ceremony, like there's alwaysthese sacred spaces, spaces that
we were coming into to keepsetting intentions, to keep

(30:12):
laying the foundationenergetically of like this is
what we're here for.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
And then down to food , even down to food or you felt
nourished because we meteveryone's dietary needs, and so
there was food for everyone toeat and everyone could feel
there was plenty there was likefor me.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
I think that's why I I I've always I don't like going
to retreats.
The food stresses me out andjust to know, like I P, I
literally got on the phone withevery single person before they
came and I was like I need toknow all of your food stuff.
I want to know all of thedetails so that I can honor
exactly what you need and makesure you're going to be well fed

(30:48):
and being able to come up withthe food list and share that
with the host.
And, like I'm going to takecare of all the gluten-free
things, I'm going to try to makethis as easy as possible on the
host for our specialty items.
And and I think we were allfull always and I've never, I've
never spent three days outsidemy house where I felt that way.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, no, definitely I'm not a big like breakfast
lunch, dinner eater, you know,but I, since I've been here,
it's like breakfast lunch anddinner.
I'm like okay, we're justeating, but it's, I don't feel,
full like stuff.
Yeah, yeah, not stuff, yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
No, that is satisfied .
Yeah, that's been good, yeah,nice, I feel like there was like
that word.
Satisfaction was kind of like atheme through all of it because
it was.
It was really interestingbecause we did before we left
for the property, we did oursacred ceremony together, where
we were just looking at you know, what are our desires for the
retreat, what are our fears,what boundaries do we have, what
intentions do we have for thespace, so that we were all in

(31:51):
each other's energy and on thesame page before going in.
And part of it was like we wanteverybody to get whatever they
need out of this, whether thatcomes from us, whether that
comes from the land, whetherthat comes from the food,
whether it comes from anythingelse.
You know and and I love that,you know kind of side tangent
here, I love how much we kept itfocused on the retreat
participants, like I thinksometimes in in spiritual

(32:14):
workshops and conferences andretreats, it can start to feel a
little bit like this is theschedule that we have.
If you're going to get abenefit, it's going to be from
this teacher, this facilitator,this modality.
And we really went in with theintention of may everyone
receive exactly what they need,no matter where it comes from.
And it was so beautiful towatch how there were some of the

(32:35):
women who what they needed wasthat space to express and to be
creative and to be loud and toand to really like get
themselves out there.
And then we had a student whowas like I needed a space to be
quiet and know that it was okayfor me to be quiet and show up
in that way.
And I loved watching her, herprocess, because she had she had
shown up in like all black andwas having like a lot of

(32:57):
personal development andpersonal experiences that were
behind that.
And she showed up to our firecircle the second evening and
was like you know what?
I think it's time to take offthe black, like I've been in
funeral mode for so long thatthis has helped me remember and
come back to.
It's okay to have joy, it'sokay to have laughter.
And the next morning she showedup all in white.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
And it was amazing, all in white Down the room.
That was everything up all inwhite.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
And it was amazing, all right down there necklace
everything all in white.
It was wonderful.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I lovethat she intuitively packed that
.
You know what I mean.
Like I love that she had thewhite, even though that wasn't
her intention, like she wasn'tthinking that's what was going
to happen, but spirit knew whatshe would need and let her, let
her have it and think about howthe energy was to the point
where the hummingbirds, thebutterflies and how nature just
showed up.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
That was just amazing too, because we had these the
hummingbirds, the butterflies,and how nature just showed up.
That was just amazing too,because we had these two
hummingbird feeders and theywere just like con, no one's
like right here, no one's not,yeah, and they would be like oh,
like, I want to check you outwhat's going on and the flutter,
and I've never heard ahummingbird talk oh, they yeah,
you didn't hear him.
No, I've heard them.
I've never.

(34:00):
I do too, but I never hear themtalk, just their, their.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
They were.
They were noisy, they were sohappy to be there.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
They were like having so much attention and the
butterflies would come in andall of it, and so you know your
energy is good and what you'redoing is right when nature shows
up for you even on that umsaturday night, we had the the
deer, not the deer.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
We did see elk, though we did.
Elk came through, um so didhawks, and hawks were screeching
through the sweat lodge, forsure, but then we had the mule
and the horse right at the final.
Cuddle, puddle, like was like,I want to cuddle with you, but
there was a fence between us sowe couldn't come in.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
But it was good energy, though, like good
grounding energy for them toshow up.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
You have a little side dog, oh my gosh, little
wiener dog.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
She was so happy.
Yeah, absolutely yeah.
And you know, one of the thingsthat I also really appreciated
like even outside of of theparticipants and the land and
the, the land keepers and andall of that beauty was also
really how the three of us haveconnected, like I was especially
.
I was telling Chantel, like sheand I have been we've only been
in person together once beforethis and we can obviously we

(35:12):
connect online, but it'sdifferent and I feel like this
trip she and I really got tobond and kind of get to know
each other more as people andthat aspect of it whether it was
like the bonding or showing upfor each other, whatever it is
it was also, I think, reallybeautiful to see how much we
were each able to receive in themiddle of a retreat.

(35:33):
I think it's kind of unheard offor a retreat facilitator to
leave feeling fuller than theycame and yet we both left, or we
both, we all left, and feltlike we were talking in the car,
like this is the most groundedwe've ever felt.
This is the most full, the mostnourished, the most all of it
and like the fact that there arethree of us, so that, you know,
when Chantel was leading heractivities, christina and I

(35:54):
could partake in, and vice versa.
For all three of us it was.
It was such a joyful experienceto see that.
No, there is a way to do thiswhere, when we're listening to
spirit, when we're connectedwith nature, when we're
connecting with each other,we're all receiving.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
it reminds me of is Chantel's subconscious
communication for direction?
No, for what am I thinking?
The Mary Medicine, yeah, yeah,the Medicine wheel that we did,
yeah, it was super cool because,honestly, like we were in our
own pro, like Isabel and I arein our own process, and then

(36:31):
when we actually looked at thepicture, like we had the same
roundhouse.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, so for.
So, for background here, it wasthis drawing exercise where
there were certain elements thatyou needed to have on your
paper.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
You must have a shelter, you must have a bird,
you must have a tree.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
So you're drawing, like you're getting into your
kid, your child, right Causeyou're drawing, and you're
taking like 30 minutes to focuson your paper and silence and
everything, but there's theseelements that you have to have,
these items that you have tohave, and so there's all these
certain colors and colors andeverything, and then it's
interpreted and it's showing you, like, if you have this here
and this there, what it allmeans and how many and yours was

(37:08):
so similar.
We were so similar.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
We, we had drawn kind of separately and then we went
to sit next to each other on theroad and we put our papers down
and we were like, oh, wait asecond yeah, so it was.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
So it was so interesting and yeah, they were.
And maybe different, differenthouses, if you will like,
different um, mental versusemotional, versus spiritual,
like, but the, the way we drew,certain elements were very
similar and similar colors andthe path to the house through
the mountains, like, I was justlike oh, but we are

(37:47):
energetically intertwined.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah, very much so, and that's a great one Cause how
many people even came back andread it deeper, cause I need to
know, and some were like I don'tknow if this is connecting.
And then they were.
You know, sometimes you have tolet your shield down, you have
to put it down to say can I seemyself, even on a drawing?
Can I have this interpretationof me?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Right, and I think so much of that is like this
invitation is like I mean, Iremember getting the paper and
be like, well, I'll just draw mypast life house and my, my
happy place in the middle worldand I'll just do that Cause
that's what I would normally doand go no, no, no, no.
Let's actually drop in deeperand go.
What needs to be shown now,what needs to to be represented

(38:24):
in this moment, and that, um andwhen I could let it go and go
no, there's the trees andthere's the mountains and
there's the snake.
Like it was very, it was veryinteresting.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Well, and I think in that it was a really, it was a
really beautiful example of whathappens when you do things in a
ceremonial container, Becauseit's like if you had just given
us a piece of paper and we'relike draw these things.
We would have drawn somethingthat we knew right, but it was
because we took the time to setthe intention, to open the
sacred space and create thatcontainer.

(38:58):
Like every Reiki practitionerknows that when you set your
intention, it shapes how theenergy shows up and where it
goes.
And so it was reallyinteresting because in that we
had the ceremonial space, we hadthe sacred intention and then
we did the drawing.
And it was interesting because,like for me it was, you know,
my version of well, I'll justdraw the middle world no, I'm
going to, I'm going to drop inwas like I kept noticing that I

(39:18):
was reaching for the purple andpurple is really not a color
that I color with, but it waslike every time it would happen
I'd be like I, I'm reallycurious to see what this is
going to mean.
Like clearly it's meaningsomething like I would never
have picked that up if it wasn'twithin that sacred, intentional
space.
And then when you do theinterpretation, it's like oh,
that's why, and I think it'sjust power and leadership.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
So in the end, it was exactly what we were
interpreting what it was, and Ithink it was really cool for all
of our participants too,because they, right away you
know this is the first day we'rethere it's like drop, drop the
struggle, drop the mentalmentality, just let whatever
shows up show up for you.
And I think it set the tone forthe rest of the weekend, like

(40:02):
let's not think about it, let'sjust be and let's just process
and just trust that whatever'sshowing up is meant to show up
the way it's supposed to show up.
So I love that it was at thevery beginning.
I do too Cause.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
I think it would be a lot different if it was like
the last day, you know, becauseit would have been their trans,
their transformed version ofself.
Yeah, they needed that Like italmost feels like, yeah, here's
the gateway, here's the kick inthe ass Like look, you got shit
and you don't even know it.
Yeah, look at the one that wasall black, black mountains,
black outlines, and that wasletting go.

(40:33):
Yeah, what are you letting goof?

Speaker 2 (40:35):
And all four quadrants, yeah, yeah so it
really definitely gave everyoneto kind of start being
introspective and curious likethat curiosity, and the weekend
really allowed everyone toexplore.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yes, yeah, yeah, you want to talk about the sweat
lodge now.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Oh, yeah, yeah, so we had.
It was on the second day.
We had, uh, uh, like I said, aLakota adopted member leading us
in in the sweat lodge and andwe really set this intention
before the sweat lodge of thisis a sweat lodge for rebirth,
for letting go, for um, forreleasing, for kind of that
again, that death and rebirth.

(41:12):
Because really when you goinside a sweat lodge, it's it's
pitch black.
You're basically in thisincredibly hot igloo where it's
pitch black, you can't seeanything.
And what I loved about it is weall started in ceremony and we
knew that this was kind of thebig thing for the day, right,
and even after, before we diveinto the actual intention and
ceremony of it, one of thethings that I love that came out

(41:34):
of the sweat lodge was, again,one of our intentions as a team
was for things to flow and tojust just move with spirit, go
with the flow, et cetera, andthe sweat lodge ended up taking
multiple hours, more than wethought that it would.
And yet we came back and we justlooked at the schedule and we
were like, okay, how does all ofthis need to fall?
And we ended up still doingeverything we had planned to do

(41:54):
and still ending exactly on time, because we just let go and
we're like whatever happens isgoing to happen, and that I
think that flow really startedwith when we showed up at the
sweat lodge and it was liketrusting your intuition of who
wants to go in the sweat, whowants to be out holding space,
who, you know, like Chantel,thought she was going to be able
to go in and then wasn't ableto, and so she was out and it
was exactly what we neededbecause you were moving all that

(42:16):
energy and getting the messagesthat you got, and I think even
just from the start of thatexperience it was, it was so
clear that everybody's beingcalled exactly where they need
to be, and and I ended up Iwasn't sure if I was going to go
in or not and I was like likeChantel had asked me a couple.
Yeah, chantel had asked me acouple of times like, are you
going to go in?
And I was like I don't know.

(42:44):
Spirit's going to tell me whenI get there.
And we got there and I was kindof thinking like there should
be one of us in there, you know,to hold space for the people
that are in the lodge, in thelittle line and we're about to
go in.
And one of the invitations inthe sweat lodge is you can be
fully nude, like you can haveall of your clothes on, you can
have none of your clothes on,and it's freaking hot.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
It's hot.
It's a.
Hot is a.
This isn't like your typicalsauna.
This is.
This is a whole experience ofyou're going into the womb of
the earth and she is going tobake you like the center of the
earth.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah, Like by the end we had 29 burning hot foot long
stones in the center and you'repouring steam on them and it's
just building and building andbuilding.
And so one of the invitations isyou can you can have clothes on
, you can have clothes off.
And there was one of ourparticipants who that moment was
really big for, like thatmoment of I'm just going to be

(43:36):
vulnerable.
And so I was standing at theback of the line and she was
kind of off to the side and andI could see the, the like am I
really going to do this?
And like I hadn't planned ongoing in nude.
But like I saw her and I waslike fuck it, and just.
And she told me after that,like that's one of the moments
that she's always going toremember from the retreat is
this moment where it's like fuckit, we're all doing this
together.

(43:56):
And that message, I think, wasso clear, whether you were in
the lodge, whether you hadclothes on, whether you were
outside the lodge, like nomatter what, it was like fuck it
, we're in this together.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, and that's like those moments were happening
outside the lodge too, wherewomen were like, were like fuck
it, I want a sunbath nude by theCreek, go for it.
And then like it's all, it wasall women, you know, and so it
was just like and I could.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
you could see the ripple effect when she was like
fuck it and I was like, oh fuckit.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
I mean it's hot, it's sunny, the weather is gorgeous
Like great Perfect.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah, it was, and we did have.
And it was funny when we weretalking last night because if
you were on your cycle as women,we could not go into the sweat
lodge, and so that was me, andso I was on the outside holding
space, which felt perfect.
When, when it ended up beingtold that I couldn't go in, I
was like you know what?
Yeah, let's do it.
And then it became moreceremonial for me to hold the

(44:50):
space.
So then I had to go do myrituals to prepare myself to be
the space holder and all of that.
And then, when we were talkingabout how you were with the
women who were the non-bleedersand I was with the women who
were that is so and the triangleof that we created this really
strong foundation to do thatbeautiful work and the energy

(45:12):
flowed.
And so what was happening inthe hut was how in the sweat was
also energetically happening tous outside.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Absolutely, and it was really lovely to hang out
with more of the crones doingtobacco prayer ties.
Yeah, like, keep our heartsopen, our hands busy and and do
the prayers.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah, you know it's really interesting, as I'm
thinking about you said thattriangle that we made and I'm
thinking about like the, thesymbol for alchemy is a triangle
with a horizontal line throughit and like that's, that's
literally the symbol that wewere making with all of our
different groups and that'sthat's what was happening in the
lodge.
Like it was just it was sopowerful and like when you're in
the lodge, you're, you'redrumming, you're drumming,

(45:55):
you're singing, you've got therattles, and like I loved the
facilitator who was in there.
She was like the way we getthrough this is by singing.
It reminds our bodies thatwe're still alive, we're still
here.
Because it's it's such apowerful experience you could
just take.
You could just take off and begone, right.
And so she was like we sing toremind ourselves that we're
human, that we're alive.
And then that was carriedoutside where you guys were
drumming and making prayer tiesand holding space for the

(46:15):
elements and and just feelingthat energy circulate.
And it was really interestingbecause I've never done a sweat
before and I was in for all fourrounds just kind of holding
space for everybody, and I wasreally curious to see, with all
of the releasing that's going on, cause by the time you come out
you're like wetter than if youhad been in the shower, you know

(46:39):
, like your body is just soakedand that's it's so much
releasing and transmuting.
And I was really curious to seewhen we have we started out
with 10 in the circle and weended up with five, four and um
and it's it's so much energy.
But you're in again this likeenclosed space and I was really
curious to see like is it?
Is it going to stick around?
Like is it just going to befull of all the energy we've
been releasing?
But it was like because of thesteam, because of the singing,
because of the drumming, becauseof you guys on the outside,

(47:01):
like helping move the energy.
It was just this like seamlessmelting away and transmutation.
And I think it was a really forme it was a really poignant
example of.
I feel like sometimes, when wedo the spiritual work, when
we're releasing, there's a veryclear I'm releasing now and now
I'm calling in, or now I'mmaking the new pattern, or now
the healing happens.

(47:21):
And it was.
It was just like there was no,there wasn't any boundaries in
there, it was all justcontinuously flowing.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, and being able to just sit and quiet and listen
, listen to nature, and we wereall in our own, even though we
were all in the same bubble.
We were all in our own hoop,doing our work, our own sacred
hoop, our own energetic you know, and I love that.

(47:49):
So it wasn't like anyone neededto be instructed right to go,
find your spot or go be quiet ornothing.
It was if you had something tosay, say it.
If not, you want to go in theCreek, you want to do this, you
want to spread out, you want tojust lay on a blanket Right, you
know, meditate.
Whatever you want to do, doright.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Everyone was able to do that, and so it's such a
beautiful thing to not have toinstruct, like there's no need
for or necessity to instruct,like people coming out of the
sweat lodge.
It's like what do you need?
Do you need a water?
Do you need to do a cold plungein the Creek?
Do you need to lie out in thesun?
And there were some people whodid that.
They were like, yeah, I justwant to lie here in the sun.
I'm like, wow, okay, I, you do.

(48:30):
You like, if that is what yourbody needs, go for it.
And just to recognize that thevariety is okay, that you have
permission to be exactly who youare, even in these really, uh,
like potent, transformationalmoments and offerings, just
everything's good.
And I just remember the host ofthe retreat.

(48:52):
She was our fire, our stonecarrier, right, and she went in
the last, the last round, andshe came out.
She's like, oh my God, I got togo make lunch, but we're so
late.
And I'm like, oh no no, no,we're all good, we are going to
flow.
You take your time, you do whatyou need to do.
We're not in a rush and thatconstant reminder of nope,

(49:16):
everything is in flow,everything is exactly the way it
is meant to be.
We're not stressed, you don'tneed to be stressed Like
everything is exactly as itshould be and it always, it
always, it always did that.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, and you know, I think one of the things that I
loved being part of and that Iloved witnessing in you guys was
after the retreat was over.
We had kind of been all talkingthe whole retreat about how can
we give back to the woman whoowns the retreat and her
assistant, like how can we giveback to them to feed them, to
nurse them the way that they'vebeen so kind and nourishing us?

(49:47):
And after, after everything wasover, we, you know, we we did
Reiki for her.
Chantel did a card pool.
We transferred the money.
We did Reiki for her.
Chantel did a card pool.
We transferred the money altarthat we had made to her.
Chantel staged her house Likewe.
Christine did some coachingwith her, like we were.
We were just all holding spacefor her and and just the.

(50:17):
I think I'm just feeling reallygrateful for the fact that we
have a team where we even thinkabout that you know, because I
think it's it's.
It would be so much more commonfor us to just be like peace,
you know.
But like we took the time tostay an extra hour and hold
space for her, and important,not because like we needed to

(50:38):
prove anything or because it was, but just because we loved her
and we love yeah, and that wasI'm.
I'm grateful for you guys forholding that space and to be a
part of the team that was ableto bring that energy back into
the house and feed her and feedthe land.
And and it was so sweet becausewhen Chantel was doing the card
poll and I was doing Reiki onher, she was like I never get to
receive and it was like notokay.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yeah, not okay, like I, even when I was like, okay,
are you ready?
Cause she had asked me you knowif there's time.
And then when I went to her andshe goes, oh honey, there's no
time.
You're you guys?
I'm like, no, I'm good, we'regood.
And she goes oh, she goes, Inever get to receive.
And she was like, yes, yes, I'mgonna take it, I'm gonna take
it.
And she did, and she called meas I smudged her home and she

(51:21):
sat with her reading and herreading was exactly what she
needed to be able to moveforward with her husband and you
know her grieving, her grief,all the things were just right
there and she was just just like, wow, and you could feel it in
her.
And then, yeah, you were givingher Reiki and it was just
beautiful, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
I feel like that's the that's, that's the takeaway
is everybody got what we neededand I'm I'm so grateful for that
because it was in our openingceremony.
That was one of my desires.
And one of my fears is, likewe're we're not in control here,
and yet I want everybody tohave the experience that they
need to have, whatever thatlooks like and it was.
It was so beautiful because bythe end of day one, we had sat

(52:03):
around and done our toptakeaways and every single
person by the end of day one waslike I'm good, I got what I
needed, and I feel like thatgave me the permission to be
like.
You know, it's all just icingon the cake now.
And and the fact that spiritcame through, that the land came
through, that you guys camethrough, that the retreat goers
came through for each other andwere able to create such a

(52:24):
sacred, powerful, potent spacethat by the end of day one,
everybody was like great that,like that's incredible.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah, I think one of my favorite parts with the sweat
well, for me, on my personalwas at the very end, when you
guys were all coming out and Itook a sage stick and I started
burning that thing burned allthe way down and I was like, yep
, we are just, it is releasing,it is clearing out all of this
energy.
And then when I went to go overto the fire and just felt that

(52:53):
energy and pulling it from theearth and the cycling of it, and
as I was pulling it in but Ihad my eyes closed, so I didn't
know no one was around me, I wasall by myself.
And then, when I opened my eyesup everyone was in a circle and
it was like oh, my gosh, feelthis, lift your arm and I'm
always like I'm transmutingenergy, but then I was told no,

(53:15):
you're a portal of that energyI'm, I'm cycling through that
energy and that was just amazingit was and willing to watch
like we didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I didn't know you had your eyes closed, but like I
feel like everyone justinstantly circled up, everyone,
like you had this gravitationalpull of like we're still in
ceremony, we, we're still inprocess, we're going to this is
the final phase of the sweatlodge, of just honoring all of
the work that we have done and,like this final, this final

(53:41):
smudge, right, and I, I, just, Ijust loved it.
I love that there was alwaysclear beginnings and clear
endings to everything that wedid and yet it's still all
flowed Exactly Like there wasalways a moment to take a breath
, there was always a moment tointegrate, there was always a
moment to really feel what youfeel and honor it instead of

(54:03):
just rushing to the next thing,you know.
And so I, I really, I justreally loved that.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah, and we all just took our time back up and this
land also put the picture out.
We were scattered.
She has tents and wagons andcabins and camping tents and all
kinds of things, and so peoplewere having to truck it like as
far as like a mile or a half amile or something in the dark,

(54:29):
and so some were on a furtherjourney and that says a lot for
their journey too, you know.
And who was closer to the cabinand needed to take care of the
home space and those who neededto be spread out to have alone
time, and it just all workedWell, any, you know, even for me
, like usually I I really needtime away to integrate and to

(54:49):
sleep.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
And I I knew right away like I could I could have
stayed in the really fancy superglamp camp tents.
And I was like no, it's ateepee.
And the host is like, well, ifit rains, you're going to get
wet.
And I'm like, yeah, I'll be,I'll be fine.
And, um, it was so beautiful tolook through the teepee and
watch the stars every nightbefore going to bed and saying

(55:13):
my final prayers.
And I, and knowing that youknow, at the end of the retreat,
um, our host was like this isthe best weather we have
received for any of our retreats.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
And then, as soon as we left, it rained.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah Well, I just looked at him like of course
we're going to have, like didyou, did you?
Like it's us?
Of course we're going to be alittle bit of a weather witch
too.
And as soon as we left theproperty yeah, I feel like you
see it all coming in dark cloudsand the land was cleansed
exactly and I'm like that'sexactly the way it should be.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Every time clouds rolled in, I was like and move
along and then we got out andthey pulled over and went into
the store to grab food and wegot rained on, we got rained on.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
You waited it out, but they were like big fat drops
and we're like thank you, yes,we got to go to chakra dance and
wiggle it all, integrate it all, move all the energy and and I
think that that is alsosomething that I've really
appreciated about the wholeexperience, just kind of start
to finish, is how much we'veknowing that in order to hold

(56:15):
space for others, we have tohold space for ourselves, like
how intentional we have been,both as individuals and like all
together, of having ourceremonies, having our time to
open our circle, to open ourenergy and then to close it and
to integrate and have this timeafter where we're, we're pulling
back in our own pieces andmoving and and creating those

(56:36):
spaces where, yeah, we wereholding space, yeah, we had this
big weekend, but you know, itwas one of those where Chantel
and I were talking in the carand it was like we went to go
get dinner and it's like kind ofcrazy that we hosted a retreat
this weekend because we just didsuch a good job of keeping our
energy as our energy that by thetime we were back last night
getting dinner, it was like andwe're back we're back and we're
back in life, all good.

(56:57):
You know, yeah, exactly where westarted, but very different,
yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
And how, five days ago I was in, you know, six days
ago, in California, tennessee,and we're here, and then we're
here in Bozeman, and then we'rein Clancy, and then we're back
in Bozeman, and then tomorrowwe're going home, and it's just
how we can, how much you canpack, and you know, just a few
days, yeah, and still feelnourished in it.
Yeah for sure.
And that's an invitation forpeople too.

(57:21):
What can you bring into yourlife and still hold space for
yourself and know thateverything outside of that can
wait sometimes yeah and then nothave to be exhausting, like
doing the work doesn't have tobe exhausting.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I don't think anyone left exhausted.
You know people were excited,they wanted more.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
They did.
They were like yeah, Enlivened.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
And so we do have a um, reclaim your sacred self
masterclass at Isabel and I areteaching, and so a lot of our
retreat goers are like, yeah,let's keep going.
And so we want to open that upfor all of our listeners too,
that we do have more space, moreroom to say, yes, we decided to
move it out one week because wereally wanted to give everyone

(58:02):
a chance to travel home and landLike we.
Literally we had people who arestill traveling today, and so I
just felt like that also was analignment.
Like there are some times thatwe put things on the calendar
and it's like we'll finalize aswe get closer, feel the energy
of it whether that's for soulrising or a masterclass and it
just feels like, oh no, thatthat this feels right.

(58:24):
This feels right to give it aweek, a week longer, and really
have the intention set and theclarity there and really pull
the next step forward foreveryone, and I love it.
We were looking at who's signedup already and we have people
who aren't on our email list anddon't know anything about us,

(58:46):
and we had the same exact typeat the retreat.
We had one person never takingclasses from us, never done
anything shamanic, didn't evenknow what that word meant, and
she just saw our picture and thesign up and she was like I'm
yes, and I just I love peoplewho are that in tune with what
their soul desires, that theycan just say yes, like, and so

(59:09):
it's kind of also an invitationof like feeling into what are
you like, fuck yes to like whatis your like?
full soul crying out for yes.
Yes, I need that, that crystal,yes, I need that course.
Yes, I need that nap in theafternoon.
Like, what is your soul saying?
I can say yes to this and it'sa full hearted yes.

(59:30):
And stop denying yourself orgetting in that full mental
space of I have to be a certainway, or should do this, or I
need to do that and like ourself-talk of like we can pull
ourselves out of it and drop inand going.
What does our soul need to feel?
Loved and supported and knowingthat if there's a calling there

(59:51):
, the divine, the creator, thesource energy is going to show
up in that yes, with you, so youdon't need to worry about very
end.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
We were really intentional about saying look at
what happens when you let go,when you let spirit guide you,
when you go with the flow, whenyou acknowledge the anxieties

(01:00:24):
and the fears and the need tocontrol, and you flow anyway and
you look at what your soulneeds and you listen to that,
look at how magically everythingworks out.
And now you can kind of putthat feather in your cap to
remind your brain the next timeit tries to get anxious or tries
to control that.
No, look, I have proof now thatwhen I flow, when I trust those
desires, when I show up, when Ilisten to the soul level, yes,

(01:00:47):
magic can happen.
And so that's anotherinvitation too.
As you're doing, that is, canyou think of a time when you did
listen to your intuition, youdid listen to your soul, you did
let go and flow a little bitand something magical happened.
It all worked out better thanyou could have imagined, and use
that to kind of show your brainlike, no, it's okay, it's okay
to do this and that's somethingthat we'll dive into in the

(01:01:10):
masterclass.
So if you're listening to thislive, we'll start on Monday,
july 28th and if you'relistening to it later on as a
recording, know that therecordings will be available for
like an evergreen, self-pacedkind of thing so you can come
into the container whenever youfeel called and we're really
going to be diving into sacredmasculine and divine, feminine
and harmonizing those energiesand activating our chakras and

(01:01:33):
our creativity and sacreddesires and going with the flow
and creating your life as asacred space so that you can
come home to yourself and yourinner power and use that.
However it's going to show up,like no matter if your inner
power is that kind of quiet,introspective or it's that
expressive, like it's just goingto be about coming home to the
self and taking all of thesethings that we've been learning

(01:01:54):
and using in our own lives andthe energy that we're pulling
from the retreat and all of thatto to feed back and create this
container where you can show upand do the work components, but
there's also such a space for,like, support group energy, like
really able to creating thatsacred circle of showing up in

(01:02:19):
your own voice, in your ownspace and expressing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
And I am just loving these vulnerable conversations
and want to continue thembecause, honestly, that is just
an amazing way for you to reallydrop in and go.
I am sacred, my voice is sacredas I am as sacred.
There's nothing to be fixed,because there's nothing that's
broken, because I am divine.
And so, having that, that mixof yeah, we're going to have

(01:02:44):
activating action, actions toreally help support your, your
polyvagal nerves, so that youcan regulate, but also, in that
going, how can we show up andsupport one another and continue
to really just be present fully.
So it's super excited for them.

(01:03:05):
Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Are we filling?
But no, I just think that, um,I'm very proud of us as women,
as leaders, and you know the waywe have been brought together
and how everything we did thisweekend now ripples out into
everyone's lives and their pieceof the world.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
We have a retreat goer who, who just put a little,
a little comment on sayingthank you so much for your
energy.
The healing is evident.
The last drumming circle, ofcourse, is always so powerful
healing, calming, fulfilling.
I'm so grateful.
So that's the energy we'retaking away people.
Yeah, absolutely, and I loveyou guys for it and everything
that you guys brought to thetable and holding space and

(01:03:49):
showing up and, yeah, incredible, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Feeling spiritual.
It is.
Be blessed and enjoy your day.
I don't know if we're atclosing, but yes, it feels like
we are, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
And until next time, may you awaken to the whispers
of wisdom rising from within.
Thanks for tuning in to today'sshow.
The Wisdom Rising podcast issponsored by Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
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