Reclaiming Our Right to Sacred Self-Expression

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The sacred isn't about perfection or following spiritual rules – it's about stripping away societal conditioning to reconnect with our authentic essence. In this soul-stirring conversation, Christine and Isabel dive deep into what it truly means to reclaim the sacred within ourselves and our lives.

 As Christine beautifully puts it, "The sacred is spiritual essence. Everyone has their own spiritual essence and divinity within them already." This conversation explores how we can reclaim our sacred self, sharing deeply personal insights about reconnecting with our authentic nature and regulating our nervous systems for true healing.

Along the way, we discuss:

• The liberating power of making noise and expressing emotion
• Crying as a sacred form of self-expression
• Our definitions of 'sacred'
• Why soul calls us to move beyond rules and perfectionism
• Nervous system regulation through sound, movement, and emotion
• Societal conditioning around emotional self-expression
• Emotions as weather patterns
• The harm of self-fragmentation and the call for integration
• Dissociation vs. embodiment
• And so much more!

Ready to stop fragmenting yourself and invite every aspect of you to the table? Listen now!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.

(00:26):
Each week we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy, healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and

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balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Hello, hello, my friends, andwelcome back to another amazing
episode here on the WisdomRising podcast.

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I'm your host for today, isabelWells, and I am joined with
Christine René, our visionaryhere at Moon Rising, for one of
the most authentic andconversational episodes I think
we've ever recorded.
We finished recording today'sshow and Christine sent me a
message to let me know it washer favorite conversation we've

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had.
Yet this episode is also thepart two companion to our
previous podcast episode onhealing burnout through nervous
system regulation and sacredself-connection.
So if you haven't listened tothat podcast, feel free to hop
over.
You don't need to listen to itto understand the topics that
we're sharing today, but it doesprovide a little bit more of

(01:51):
the background to how we got tothe topics we cover in today's
show.
So in today's episode you'regoing to hear Christina and I
talk about our own definitionsof the sacred and why we believe
it's so important to reclaimthe sacred within as well as
within our lives.
We'll talk about polyvagaltheory and nervous system
balancing the freedom that comeswith allowing yourself to

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express, to make noise, to dance, to sing when you feel like it,
and why that's such arevolution in today's society.
We'll talk about seeing ouremotions as weather patterns and
the importance of allowing allof ourselves to come to the
table, as well as a discussionon disassociation versus
embodiment and how we oftenself-fragment ourselves and only

(02:38):
allow parts of ourselves toshow up in specific events and
situations than others, and howwe can really unify ourselves
and step back into sacred livingwhen we allow all of ourselves
to come forward inself-acceptance.
Along the way, we share a bunchof personal stories and
takeaways that we've beenlearning, tools that we've been

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bringing into our lives, andoffer up an invitation for you
to do the same and live as yourfullest self in your fullest
life and explore all of thenuances of what that really
means.
Today's episode was phenomenalto record, so I hope you enjoy
listening to it.
And if the topics we cover intoday's conversation strike your

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fancy, know that we have anupcoming masterclass called
Reclaiming the Sacred Self,starting on July 21st.
So if you're listening to thiswhen the podcast airs, you can
now enroll for the live class.
You'll hear us talk more aboutit at the end of today's episode
, but if you're listening tothis recording later on after
July 21st, know that all of thecourse recordings will be
available for you to purchase asan evergreen and explore the

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course at your own pace.
So the link to that five-weekmasterclass where we talk about
all of these topics and more isin the show notes, as well as
the link to join us in our MoonRising Shamanic Mystics Facebook
group, a community of over4,000 amazing individuals who
are walking this path rightalong with you, and where we
share additional tips, tricksand personal stories to help

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Don't forget to follow us onYouTube for the video version of
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Let's help each other, create acommunity and a sacred space to
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podcast as well, so you can getaccess to new episodes sooner.
But I hope that you enjoytoday's conversation, our candid
conversation on the sacred selfnervous system regulation,
self-embodiment and more.
Let's go to the show.
Welcome.
Welcome back to anotherconversation.
I am so excited for part two ofthis conversation.

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We're diving intoself-connection and somatic
healing and harmonizing yourinternal energies and all of
these really, to quote again myinner Christine, this juicy
yumminess that Christine and Ihave coming forward in our
personal lives, and I am soexcited because I feel like
today we're really going to getto dive into how all of this is

(05:10):
showing up for each of us andthe things we've been seeing in
our personal life.
But I want to kick us off withjust a little recap, because
there's this word that we'vebeen saying quite a bit in the
last couple podcast episodes andthat is sacred.
We've really been calling onthe energy of the sacred,
whether that's in our lives orin ourselves, and I would love
to know what does that word meanfor you, christine?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I love that question because I do.
I've been throwing it around alot lately and for me, the
sacred is its spiritual essence.
Like I feel, like everyone hastheir own spiritual essence and
divinity within them already,right, and so therefore, we are
all sacred.
We all have the sacred spacecontainer within ourselves, but

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also in nature and in thecrystals and in the spaces that
we create from the essence ofwho we are, right.
So when we can really stripaway the programs and the
conditioning and all of thesethings, what we find is the
sacred self, and so from thatsacredness from within us, we

(06:17):
can craft and create sacredcontainers, meaning they're of
the spiritual essence ofdivinity, and so that's what it
really means to me when I'musing the word sacred.
How about you?
When you are using the wordsacred, does that definition
resonate or is it something else?

Speaker 1 (06:35):
I love that and I do.
I love what you said about itbeing that essence, because to
me, when I think about sacred, Ithink about how there is so
much in life that we I don'twant to say take for granted,
but that we kind of skate over.
You know, we kind of get in ina rhythm, we get into our
autopilot.
Our 95% of our subconsciousmind is is running everything,

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and when things are on autopilot, when they're just kind of
glazed over, they're not sacred,you know.
And and to me, sacred takesthat essence that you were
talking about and makes it areally conscious connection.
To me, when we talk aboutsacred, it's those moments where
you're really stopping anddropping back into the present
moment and looking at what istrue.

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What is that essence?
When I let go of the limitingbeliefs or the thoughts or the
shoulds, or the societalprogramming or, again, just the
autopilot of living day to day,and I really drop in and look at
my life, look at myself withthose animist eyes, with the
eyes of my soul, you know, andam able to see, this moment is

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really powerful.
Or this connection that we haveis amazing, or this thing that
I'm experiencing, even if it'ssomething as mundane as like my
morning cup of coffee, you know.
And so I think for me, sacredisn't necessarily this thing is
sacred and this thing isn't.
I don't think there's aboundary in that way.
But for me it's really knowingthat we can make everything

(08:02):
sacred by taking the time todrop into the present and really
connect with it from thatdeeper essence of ourselves,
when we strip back all the extralayers, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Well, and it's like the appreciation and gratitude
is so much more obtainable froma sacred space, right, like
whether it's your cup of coffee.
Like this morning I was likereally in love with this
turmeric latte.
Like I remember, even before Iwalked out of the coffee shop
door I was like running, rushingaround, going, oh my God, this
is so good.

(08:33):
Right, like there's a bit of methat I'm, that is like, um,
that energy of gratitude forwhat the creation was in front
of me was in its fullest right.
Like there wasn't like metrying to quiet myself and not
let other people hear it.
There wasn't this like I should, you know, um, do something.

(08:57):
Like it wasn't like I needed todo anything else, it was just
in that moment I was in myfullness of who I was and the
full gratitude of this cup ofcoffee and going, oh my God,
it's so good.
And let the baristas here andlet me be my fullest of who I am
.
And I think that's where, anytime where we can drop into that

(09:21):
space of this is, this is thereal me, right?
I'm not um limiting or lackingor shooting, I'm just being
fully present with whatever isin front of me.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
You know, it's so funny that you bring up the like
, letting other people hear yousaying, oh my God, this latte is
so good.
Because I was thinking a coupleof days ago, when we were
talking about the sacred topicsthat we're bringing forward
today, and I was thinking abouthow, when we look at it that way
, our human life really is asacred act, because the things

(09:57):
that we get to experience inthis physical human suit right
are things that we don't get toexperience at any other time.
When we're not embodied, whenwe're just floating around the
you know spiritual universe, aswe say, right, and we're not
here in the physical, we can'tsee things, we can't feel things
, we can't taste, touch, smell,right.

(10:17):
And so those moments where wecan really drop into the present
and fully taste the latte thatwe have and let ourselves make
noise because that's anotherthing we can't do unless we're
embodied and it's so funny thatyou bring up making noise
because I was actually the otherday one of the ways that I've
been really leaning intoregulating my nervous system
lately is this thing that'scalled a physiological sigh, and

(10:40):
so you like, take half a breathin, take the rest of the full
breath in, hold it for a minuteand then you let it out with
this really loud sigh and itactivates your polyvagal nerve,
which is the main nerve in yourparasympathetic nervous system.
But it also means that you'remaking noise, and this kind of
side effect of doing these sighsall the time is that my husband
will be like sitting readingand I'm just like, oh, and he

(11:02):
and he just rolls with it, butit's, it is actually.
It's surprised me howliberating it is to just let
yourself make noise, because Ithink even that is something
that's that societal programmingthat we're bringing through of,
and I'm going to say especiallyfor women, because that's the
experience that I'm having inthis lifetime.
But I know that as women, we'retold to be quiet, to not make

(11:24):
noise, to be elegant andgraceful and put together and
all of these things.
And it's like sometimes mypolyvagal just wants to make a
really primal noise so that Ican be regulated, and that's
what I need right now.
And wouldn't it be great if wehad a world where everybody was
just walking around, going whenthey needed to?
Well, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm so like in my space of fuck it, fuck what
other people think I'm going tomake the noise, and you know, I
used to be quiet, I used to betrying to make sure everyone
else was comfortable with mypresence, and and I'm at that
point and I think a lot ofpeople hit this point when

(12:05):
they're like 60 and they're like, fuck it, I don't care what
anybody thinks of me anymore,cause I'm going to be dead in 10
years or whatever it may be.
Right, like there definitely isan energy shift as you get
older to be like I don't carewhat other people think.
And I think it landed for meearlier where I, you know I and
I love that that recognition oflike there is a connection with

(12:26):
this polyvagal nervous systemtrigger that really has to do
with noise.
Like you know, you see that inWaldorf schools, like you go
into a Waldorf school andthey're not constantly talking
but they're constantly hummingor constantly singing, there's

(12:46):
always noise being made, but andit's doing it at a frequency
and tone that just sets thisresonance throughout the
classroom, of this calm,peaceful energy, and I love that
.
That is a program that isstrongly encouraged in the
Waldorf schools, right, and so Ithink that, like, there are
some places and spaces whereit's encouraged, and then

(13:09):
there's the rest of societywhere you know it's like you
have to be quiet in the library,you have to be quiet, you have
to be quiet, you have to bequiet.
When you have sex, you have tobe quiet, like, don't disturb
the other people.
And I'm like, what if I don't?
What if I don't?
What if I move my body the way Iwant to move my body and make
noise the way I want to makenoise and not limit myself.

(13:32):
And I think the more I feelcomfortable and who I am and how
I express myself, whether inclothing, whether in movement,
whether with my voice, the moreI'm like you know what I'm going
to sigh when I need a sigh andI'm going to hum when I feel
like humming, and I'm going toshout when I need a shout and I,
I, you know, it's like one ofthese elements that I'm really

(13:54):
been playing with.
Like I, um, I recently did forone of our classes a meditation
where we're sounding through thechakras.
It's one of the things I'mactually doing at my next red
tent series in my localcommunity.
Like we're going to have asound bath where we're making
noise to every chakra and reallylet people experience what

(14:19):
noises want to come throughtheir body and how that act in
and of itself is an act ofliberation, right, and so this
is reclaiming your sacred self,like your noises are sacred
because they're part of who youare.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, you know what I love about that is even when we
take that back to a shamanicperspective.
Right In shamanic traditionsand cultures there's this idea
of a power song, which is thesong that your soul sings, and
it was a song that every shaman,or every shamanic practitioner,
has their own unique power song, and it was something that they
would be humming or singingwhen they're doing soul

(14:58):
retrievals or if they're goingon a journey and they're not
able to hum or sing, they wouldhave people around them singing
it for them to really bring yoursoul up to the forefront and
let your human mind dissolveinto the background.
And that idea of the soundsthat are coming from your soul
is they're not often pretty,they're not songs that we think

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of like the pop songs you wouldlisten to on a radio.
They are the resonant, deep,guttural sounds of your soul and
sometimes they are beautifuland lovely to listen to and
sometimes they're not.
And it wasn't about that.
It was about that depth comingfrom inside of you and coming
forward, knowing that when we dothese things that allow our
soul to express itself fully,whether that's in movement which

(15:42):
was another big part ofshamanic traditions or with
sound, when we let our soul comethrough us fully, our human
mind, our ego, our limitingbeliefs, our stories, it all
fades because we're reconnectingwith what we truly, truly are.
And for me that's anotheraspect of what sacred really
means, because it's not pretty,it's not tied up in a bow, it's

(16:07):
not, I think, so often in oursocietal expectations for what
it looks like to be a goodperson, to live a good life, to
be part of society, to be a goodcitizen, et cetera, et cetera.
All of these definitions andrules that we have for what it
looks like to be a good fill inthe blank, whether they're
spoken or of unspoken rules,they're all focused on modifying

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the human experience, in hidingthe emotions that we deem as
negative, even in healingculture, even in processing
through your limiting beliefs,so that you don't get triggered,
not so that you can be healed,but so that when you're out in
society you're not gettingtriggered, you're not speaking
out, you're not acting out right.
We're trained as little kidslike, from a very young age,

(16:52):
that, like temper tantrums are abig no, and obviously there's a
time and a place.
But at the same time, it's likethe way that we're taught to
avoid the temper tantrums is bysuppressing them.
And then we get older and it'swhat clothes are you going to
wear to fit into the situationthat you're in?
What words are you going to use?
What emotions are you going toallow to come through and which

(17:12):
ones are you going to suppress?
And when we do that, when welook at part of who we are, or
part of our expression or partof our lives and say this piece
is less worthy, less acceptable,less fitting into this box that
I've been told I need to fitinto and that's bad or that's
wrong or that's less than wehave immediately stepped out of

(17:35):
the sacred.
Because what sacred allows us todo, whether it's the sacred in
you or creating a sacred space,or experiencing the sacred in
your life, connecting with thesacred allows us to look at
everything, every emotion, everyword, every experience, the
good, the messy, the figured out, the not figured out, the.

(17:56):
It fits into society, it doesn'tfit into society, all of it.
We get to look at it all andsay and it is still worthy, it
still has value, it still hasmeaning, it is still an
experience that I'm having inthis human life.
And isn't that incredible?
Isn't it incredible that rightnow, in this moment, my soul is
having this experience, and whenwe can look at the things that

(18:20):
we would ordinarily want tobrush away or polish or kind of
grind out of our personalitiesto live in accordance with
society's rules, when we canlook at those things through the
eyes of the sacred or throughthe eyes of our soul, suddenly
they become these reallybeautiful lessons or messages or
opportunities or gateways toexperience ourselves and the

(18:42):
divine and life and nature morefully.
Because when we're in a sacredspace, we recognize that not
everything has to be perfect.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Well, and it reminds me of this experience that I had
, where we were in a sacredcontainer and we were invited
into a practice where we wereall throwing tantrums, like we
literally were rolling on thefloor beating our hands and
fists, screaming and throwing atantrum, right, and it was the
most sacred, luscious, primalhealing event, because you're

(19:17):
allowing that inner child, thatinner young, young child, to
take up all that bottled energythat has been expressed over a
lifetime and say here's a chance, here's a chance to fully
express.
And there was ugly crying goingon like the snot dripping eyes,
red like all of it, and it'slike, yes, that too is the

(19:43):
epitome of sacred authenticity,right, like all of these things
within this sacred container canbe so immensely beautiful.
And to be able to stand andwitness all of these different
humans in this experiencetogether, wow, like the whole
room is on fire and vibratingand it's the most amazing thing

(20:07):
to witness.
So it's like there's not a needto make it pretty, right, and I
think that's where, you know,some frustration happens is when
people think that sacred has tobe this pretty tied up boat
thing, right, and it's like whatif it wasn't?
What if it wasn't?
What if we could accept all ofthe places and spaces within
ourselves, regardless of ifthey're pretty or not.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, you know one thing that I love to think about
with this that I've really beentrying to.
I've had this metaphor in myhead for years and I say it all
the time and I feel like thisyear I've really been trying to
let myself fully embody it in myown life.
Because one of the things thatI think about when it comes to
making noise or crying andhaving the snot going or dancing
or all of these things, is whenwe look out at nature, right,

(20:55):
and there's a thunderstorm or ahurricane or a tsunami or a
snowstorm, or the wind isblowing and the thunder's going
and the lightning's coming andall of that.
We look at that and obviouslythere are times where there are
natural disasters and there'saftermath from that, but for the
most part, we can all look outat that moment in nature and go,
wow, that is amazing.

(21:16):
There's kind of that clichephrase that we say of, like the
sunset doesn't care what itlooks like or who's watching it,
it's beautiful in its own rightanyway and you wouldn't change
any of it, right?
But we can say that about theweather patterns that earth has
the rain is a miracle, wind isamazing, thunder and lightning
is absolutely incredible.

(21:36):
And when we think about weather,it's just the way that the
earth is moving energy.
When energy moves across theearth, we get weather, and we
know that, as humans, ouremotions are energy.
The things that we experiencein our body are energy.
The ways that our nervoussystem activates is energy
moving through us.
And so when energy movesthrough us, what needs to happen
?
We need to thunder andlightning and rain and wind and

(22:00):
all of this.
And what does that look like?
That looks like making noise,that looks like crying, that
looks like burping, that lookslike having snot come out of
your nose, that looks like thosedeep, guttural sighs.
That looks like lettingyourself be fully present in
every moment of life.
And this is why I love havingthat animist perspective for
everything, because it's like Ican look out at the world and

(22:22):
recognize we are no differentfrom the earth.
And if the earth is allowed torain and thunder and wind and
lightning and all of thesethings, then I am too, because I
am of nature, and to me thatagain is the essence of the
sacred, of being able to look atthese things that we would
otherwise say that's not pretty,that's not nice, that's not put

(22:43):
together enough and go?
No, isn't it incredible that inthis lifetime, when we have a
strong emotion, we cry, we canlet it go, we can release it.
We can see that innerexperience become an outward
experience, whether that'sthrough a smile and a laugh when
we're happy or through tearsand sighs when we're sad or
angry.

(23:03):
And I've really been trying tolean into that in my own life
lately, especially as I've beenlooking at trying to bring my
nervous system back intoregulation.
Because the other thing is, wecan't experience the sacred, we
can't connect to our souls, wecan't find the meaning in life,
whatever that meaning is foreach of us, unless we're in that
space of feeling safe andfeeling secure and feeling calm.

(23:27):
And that safety, that security,is part of the sacred.
And a lot of that, for us ashumans, comes from our nervous
system.
And so lately I've really beentrying to lean into is my body
wanting to make a noise rightnow?
Whether it's that like oh myGod, this is so good when I have
a cup of coffee, or it's thatlike when I'm feeling frustrated

(23:47):
or sad, like is my body wantingto make noise right now?
Do I need to cry right now andnot trying to find the story of
it right.
We talked about this last timethat our nervous system doesn't
make stories.
It doesn't make meaning, itjust it's stressed or it's not

(24:08):
stressed.
That's how it works and so,like again, if the energy is
moving across the earth, itdoesn't think about should I
rain right now?
Should I not rain right now.
It knows that that rain is partof this cosmic cycle that we
are all involved in, and so itlets it happen and I've really
been trying to lean into thatfor myself of letting myself cry
when I need to cry, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Well, I think it's lovely and I think it also comes
to show that how do we createthe sacred safety for within
ourselves to have a space to dothis type of work, like I think
so often we're embarrassed,we're trying to be a certain way
, and so we can't do thispublicly, or even in the safety

(24:43):
of like in our own homes, like Idon't want my husband to see
this my way or way, or I don'twant my children to see me this
way, where I, you know, like wehave these, like I can't be weak
in front of these people, right?
And so it's like, how do wecreate these spaces that allow
us the invitation to feel and beand express and harmonize and

(25:07):
really allow whatever needs tocome through, come through?
And I think this is where,sometimes, in the beginning of
this exploration, doing it aloneand doing it solo is oftentimes
the first step Can you createwithin yourself and within your
own room a place that you canlet out a sigh or have a good

(25:30):
cry and not be, not worry aboutjudgment from others, right,
like?
I think there's, there's stepsand, oh my God, it is so amazing
to be in group spaces where theinvitation is there and you
witness others like that,feeling safe to express
themselves and cry and be ugly,and then you're like, oh my God,

(25:51):
I can too.
Like I remember being in um in aworkshop where everyone is
dancing and moving and makingprimal sounds, and then it's
like, oh, oh, okay, I can, I can.
It's the invitation is therebecause others are invited into
it, right.
And so I love those places andspaces because it is an

(26:14):
energetic stretch of like oh,I'm not used to making noise and
now I can, I can do that, right.
And so sometimes we're it's sofar from our normal, it's so
much of a stretch, even doing italone.
You're like I don't know whatI'm doing, like I just feel like
I'm being stupid and silly,like why would I?

(26:34):
Why would I look at myself in amirror and talk to myself?
Or why would I um, you know, dosome energetic tapping?
Or why would I, why would I do,why would I do this work?
Because, oh my God, it's justsilly, it's not going to work
like that, and we talk ourselvesout of it.
But then you go into a groupspace and we're all doing the
things together and there is afacilitator who can guide the

(26:59):
process and invite more.
Okay, now everyone, bring it upan octave.
Okay, Every like, whatever itmay be, there's an invitation
like be more of you, be more ofthe fullness of who you are.
You are in this container whereyou are allowed to share and
express and know that you havethis confidentiality boundary of

(27:20):
you're allowed to talk aboutyour experience, but you're not
allowed to talk about anyoneelse's Right.
And so, because there is thislevel of privacy and you can go
into these spaces and you'relike wow, I can really just be
exactly who I am and it'saccepted.
And I love that about groupwork, because sometimes we need

(27:42):
that to go then home and be likenow I know how to do it, right.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, and I think it really speaks to when it comes
to this sacred connection, andwhy it's so important is because
, again, it's about that cominghome to yourself and part of
that is understanding not onlywhat does the sacred mean for
you, but also where do you feelthe safest to begin this journey
of connection?
Because, coming back intoseeing life as sacred, you know

(28:12):
that's written into our DNA.
We have hundreds of generationsof shamanic practitioners and
shamanic lineages and ourancestors that have been doing
this work, deeply rooted in thespirituality of living a human
life.
And it's really only if youlook at the entire human history
, it's really only recently,that we've started getting

(28:33):
extremely disconnected from that.
But we like to think thatliving life disconnected or kind
of in the matrix, as I've heardit called, is the baseline, and
finding ways to make lifemagical and sacred and spiritual
and safe is the exception.
But really, when you look athow we're wired, when you look
at our history, when you look atour generational promise,

(28:57):
really it's when you look beyondwhere we've gotten to in modern
day society, we are wired forthe sacred.
We are wired to experience lifein a magical way, to be
connected with our soul, to havelife be this sacred experience,
and the reason that so many ofus walk around our lives feeling
like shit is because we are sodisconnected from the sacred, we

(29:21):
are disconnected from ournature, and so when we can look
at that and we can giveourselves permission to say I'm
not breaking rules, I'm not notliving up to my potential, I'm
not deciding not to go withsociety and I'm going to ruin my
life, you are literallyreturning to what you were
created for.

(29:42):
You are returning to baseline,you are returning to your
birthright of that sacred aspectof life, and so it's important
to understand what does thesacred look like for you?
Does it match my definition?
Does it match Christine'sdefinition, or is it different?
And in what spaces right now doyou feel the most safe and

(30:02):
sacred?
Because those experiences getto become your anchor, they get
to become again your baselinethat you get to build off of.
Whether that's for me, one ofmine, when I very first started
this work because sometimesthey're small right when you
first start this One of mine wasjust I had this little kitten a
few years ago who would layupside down in my arms and let

(30:23):
me pet her belly, and at thetime, that was the most sacred
experience I had.
I didn't have anything thatfelt more sacred than that, even
though I was doing shamanicjourneys and meditating right.
So it's again.
It's stripping off what quote,unquote should be sacred and
really looking at where do youfeel the more safe, the most
connected and the mostmeaningful moments in your life

(30:44):
and can you use that as yourbaseline for how can you bring
even more of that into your life?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Well, and I feel like this is where we get to set the
standard right, like once youhave this moment in your life
where it's like I want moresacred spaces in my life.
I want to be more truly theversion of who I am, that I want
to be, because I want to be mymost authentic version of who I

(31:11):
am, my most sacred self,announced to the world.
If you will, that's my standard.
I'm not going to make myselfsmaller to fit in these boxes.
I'm going to have thisexpectation that if you're in
relationship with me, you'regoing to meet me where I'm at,
and then you me, you're going tomeet me where I'm at, and then
you're, you're basically uplevel your life, and I think

(31:39):
that is like so profoundly awarein my life right now.
Like I, I'm like I'm having allof these sacred spaces and
vulnerable conversations with mystudents and with my clients
and in my group classes and withmy partner and like all of the
things, and you know, and withmy partner and like all of the
things, and you know, I, so I'mdoing it.
And then my, my partner askedme the other day.

(32:00):
He was like um, he asked to doa sacred communication, um, for
our trip this weekend.
Like let's have, let's createsacred space communication
ritual that we do and let's talkabout our, our weekend trip to
really communicate about ourneeds, desires and and and
boundaries for, like, ourdesires, boundaries and fears
around the weekend.
And I'm like cool, I'm all in,like yes, please, and thank you.

(32:20):
And then I'm like, well, and Iand I wanted and I want to also
do another one on this topic andanother one on this topic.
And he was just like is thisbecause of all the work you're
doing?
I'm like no, it's now my newstandard, it's my new set.
Like right, like I just want, Iwant it in all of the places
and spaces.
I want to show up, I want tohave real conversations, I want

(32:41):
to, I want to get to the trueessence of who I'm in communion
with right, if cause there's anenergetic communion.
If right, if cause there's anenergetic communion.
If I get a show up in myfullness, I want to invite the
others I'm in relationship withto be in their fullness.
And it's so amazing to startrecognizing how it weaves into

(33:03):
all these different avenues andareas of your life, when now you
have this is my, this is mybaseline.
This is my baseline and I getto choose to that.
It gets.
It gets to get better.
It gets to continuously.
My life gets to continuouslyget to be better and the more
that I feel that I reclaimedthat sacredness in my life, my

(33:27):
life continues to grow, blossom,bloom, expand, align, feel
fucking good.
And it's like I had a littleside story.
I had a friend that I've knownfor years we haven't seen each
other in a really long time andshe called me up and she's like
I need you.

(33:47):
I'm like what's up?
I'm here and she's like I needyou to come to my house and do
an energy clearing.
We have hired shamans, we havehired energy workers, we have
done all of these things and ourhouse will not sell.
We need to sell the house.
I asked my spirit team like whodo I need?
And they said your name.
And I'm like, okay, cool, need.

(34:12):
And they said your name.
And I'm like, okay, cool.
So I'm like energeticallyputting things in place, like,
all right, if all these otherhealers, energy workers, have
already done what they're askingme to do, it's not the land,
it's not.
It's not the land, it's not thehouse, it's not.
And I went and I sat with themand I was like before I walk the
land, I really want to have aconversation with you guys and

(34:33):
this was the invitation, likeI'm welcoming them into a safe,
vulnerable conversation abouttheir experience with the home,
their experience about livingthere for the last 30 years,
about their experience of whatit looks like to let that go and
what they want to step into.
And we're having this reallybeautiful conversation.

(34:54):
And that conversation began ahuge, profound paradigm shift
for them of this is the way I'vebeen feeling prisoner to the
house, quote, unquote prisonerto the house, and I should do it
this way and all these things,and here I'm talking to two
cancers, can't leave their houseand what, but they want

(35:15):
liberation from the house, right, and so it was just like what,
if, what?
If we change the dynamic of howyou see the house, how you see
like, can we anchor into yourdesired reality?
And the more you're out of thehouse, that house will be less
attached to you being in it andthen it can call in the next.
People Like, and it was justthis huge, profound energy shift

(35:38):
and you could see this weightlifted off of them, like they
were melting into the chairs.
I could do a guided meditationfor them and it just shifted
their whole energy.
I'm like go celebrate livinglife the way you want to live it
and start living that now, andthen the house will be sold.

(36:00):
So it's amazing how muchenergetic shifting starts to
happen when we get to say lifecan get good.
I get to have my desiredreality because it's in
alignment with my most sacredessence of who I am.
That inspiration wouldn't showup if it wasn't from the divine

(36:23):
right, and so we get to say yes.
We get to say yes to it.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
And, I think, realizing too that in that I
think a lot of times when wetalk about calling in your
desired reality or letting lifeget good or things like this,
there's this image that comes tomind that I'm never going to be
sad again, I'm never going tohave a limiting belief come up,
I'm never going to be anxious.
You know, and it's like it'slike again coming back to that
idea that the sacred is all ofit.
It is the messy, it is theunsure, it is the emotions, it

(36:50):
is the up and down, it isknowing that having that
pendulum swing is part of ourhuman experience.
I remember a few years ago Igot really into travel memoirs
people who had traveled aroundthe world and the things that
they learned and what theyexperienced from other cultures
and I read a memoir by.
It was a man who crossed theentirety of Antarctica by

(37:12):
himself like no technology, hadthe sled and all of the things.
And one of the things that Iremember really taking away from
that book is he was talkingabout how his life experiences
are this extreme roller coaster.
He's doing these extreme thingslike crossing the entirety of
Antarctica without any supportor technology, and then he's

(37:33):
having really difficult mentalhealth days?
Why?
Because he's allowing himselfto experience the fullness of
life.
And what he said and this hasstuck with me was I would rather
have a couple of days that are10 out of 10 and a couple of
days that are zero out of zerothan always live my life at a
five.
And that was incredible,because it's like how often are
we just letting ourselves livelife at a five because we think

(37:56):
to ourselves this is how lifegets to be?
And the thing is, if that isyour version of living the life
you want to live is that you'resteady, you have a baseline.
There's really not a lot of upand down.
That's okay.
You are allowed to choose that.
And if you're one of the peoplelike Christine and I who were
like I, would rather experienceall of it, knowing that when we

(38:20):
strip away the labels, when westep out of the societal
programming, when we let go ofthe rules that were made up to
begin with of how we should liveand why we should live that way
, when we let go of all of that,the zeros aren't zeros and the
tens aren't tens.
It's all just part of the humanexperience, and that idea has
really been showing up for me inmy life lately and I had a

(38:42):
personal thought on that that Ican't think of right now.
So, christine, what are yourthoughts?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
It reminds me of, it was less than a week ago, maybe
it.
Maybe it was about a week ago.
I literally cried for two days,right, like and I'm not saying
like that wasn't a me like, Ithink I'm saying like that was
an amazing piece of my sacredexpression, right.
And so, even though I wascrying for two days cause my

(39:08):
empathy levels were off thecharts I could feel everything
and that, being able to bewitnessed in those tears and in
that heaviness and in that Ijust want to curl up on the
couch and watch princess bride,because it's my comfort movie,
right Like, in that was alsosomething sacred.

(39:30):
Right Like.
That also was me being thefullness of who I was in that
moment.
Right, and being able to allowpeople to see that and go.
This isn't good or bad, and Ithink that is when you know
you're in, like, the bestrelationship, because they're
like cool, you're crying.
Let me be with you while you'recrying, and it's not good or

(39:53):
bad or ugly or wrong or whateverother judgment that you fear.
It's when you can just be.
You can just be.
You can just be your sad self,you can just be your most
illuminated self, or anything inbetween.
That's what we're talking about.
Like, and I think this is whereI would.
I was getting so pissed offabout Japan because it's you're

(40:20):
supposed to disassociate.
Like there's this, you know youare achieving the 10 by letting
go of all these senses and I'mlike but that's not how I work
and I don't want to work thatway.
I want to feel it all.
I want to feel all of it and Iwant to be able to say that's
amazing.
And I think, like I'm love.

(40:41):
I think the reason why I'm soin love with being an earthling
on this planet is because ofthat range.
Yeah, right, and I think that'sthe coolest.
That is.
That is why I keep returning tothis planet.
You guys, every time I get done, I'm like, damn, it is so
fucking hard and it is sofucking good, right, and I get

(41:03):
to have both.
And there's not one that is, um, they both can be exquisite.
There's not one that is theyboth can be exquisite, right?
No-transcript of our divinity,of the sacredness.
That's what I mean when it cankeep getting better.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, yeah, and for me, my version of that, the word
that I like to use for that isjust the beauty of being alive.
We all know that there are,whether it's the Renaissance
paintings that we see or thedying flower in our yard or
whatever it is.
We all know that there aretimes where beauty comes through

(41:46):
, and it's not perfect and it ismessy, and there is the
darkness, and there is the deathand there is the sadness, but
there's also the joy and thebeauty and the vibrance of this
thing that could only havehappened by this incredibly
unique culmination ofcircumstances that has led you
to this moment.
That kind of beauty is sopotent and so powerful, and I

(42:09):
like to explain it as just therapture of being alive, like
that feeling where you're justkind of knocked back in your
seat and you're like, wow, thisis what it means to be human.
There's this trend going aroundon Instagram right now that I'm
absolutely loving, and it'swhere people will post a reel of
just incredibly human moments,you know, like people dancing in

(42:31):
the kitchen or seeing the rainfall a certain way through the
light, and the caption is alwaysI almost forgot that.
This is why this is important.
I almost forgot that this iswhat life is all about.
And those moments, for me, arelike the epitome of the sacred,
because they're not perfect,they're not the big moments in
life, they're not the momentswhere you feel like, you know,
angels should start singing.

(42:51):
It's the everyday humanexperiences and that includes
the ups and downs and one of thethings I was thinking when you
were talking about, you know,saying having these people where
you can show up and say youknow this, this is my sad self
today, or this is my happy self.
And knowing that when you'redropping those titles is when
you're getting closer to thatconnection to your soul, because

(43:11):
your soul doesn't see youfragmented society does.
And I think that's one of thebiggest takeaways for me when it
comes to how I'm living.
The sacred in my own life isrealizing that when we feel like
we have to separate ourselvesinto this is me when I'm anxious
, this is me when I'm sad, thisis me when I'm happy or feeling

(43:31):
like this is my work self andthis is my family self and this
is my friend self.
Like we're human, we havethousands of different facets to
our being.
We are going to show updifferently in different
situations, but the differenceis that society makes us feel
like we have to keep track ofthose and we have to keep them
in check.
We have to know which versionof myself am I being right now?
Is this being authentic?

(43:52):
Is this not being authentic?
Is this happy?
Is this sad?
Why is one better than theother?
Et cetera, et cetera, whereasyour soul just says this is how
the human experience is beinglived through me in this moment.
And when we drop those barriersand we drop the boundaries and
we drop the labels and not evenwhen we're consciously doing it
right it's when we start tonotice that they've kind of

(44:12):
fallen away and we've gonethrough a conversation and set a
boundary without even thinkingabout it, or we've let ourselves
cry in front of somebody, or wehave those moments where we are
just being authentic, notbecause we're trying to be
authentic, not because we feellike we should be authentic, but
because we've just released andlet go of any attachment to the

(44:32):
rules and the shoulds and allof it, and realize that when we
let those go, we're still okay,we're still connected, life
still keeps moving and in fact,that's where the sacred lives,
that's where the magic is, isunderneath all that and when
we're talking about living thelife that you want to live, I do
think it's so.
It's so funny because I've beennoticing this pattern in myself

(44:54):
, in my students and my clientsall of this lately.
That has it's.
It's my own personalfrustration piece, like your
version of Japan, where it is.
It is so fascinating to me howeasy it is for us to forget to
do the things.
It's like because we havelearned how to journey, or we
know how to meditate, or we knowhow to be self-aware, or we

(45:14):
know that we're an empath, or weknow how to do Reiki, or we
know all the things.
We think that because we knowit, it's just kind of now
embedded in our DNA and we feellike when we get to a hard spot,
it's like, well, I should knowbetter, I should be doing better
, I shouldn't be doing thesethings.
And it makes me laugh, right,because it's like, yeah, we do
know all the things and yetsomehow knowing all the things

(45:35):
makes us feel like in themoments when things are hard, we
should be doing better.
Not, we should be using thethings that we know how to do.
And I've really been looking atthat in my own life of where are
the places and spaces where I'mshitting on myself for not
doing better or for not fittinginto the box, or for having this
emotion, or whatever it is,instead of actually sitting

(45:58):
myself down and going?
What's one thing we can doright now to release the
limiting belief, to take a deepbreath, to reconnect, to realign
.
And when you actually do thething, when you actually take
the time to take the deep breath, to let yourself cry, to let
yourself make noise, to go for awalk, to step out of the

(46:19):
situation, to set a boundary,even if it feels scary or wrong
or you're embarrassed orwhatever it is in the moment, as
soon as you do it, you feelbetter, because those moments
where we're like, oh, I shouldbe doing better than this, are
the moments where our soul iscrying out and saying hey, you
know what to do, you know how tocome home, you know this,

(46:41):
you're safe to do it, you'recalled to do it.
Can you let yourself do it?
And I noticed this in myself.
I shared in our lastconversation about how I really
kind of let myself get reallydeep into burnout and
dysregulation, and one of thethings that I did when I took
time off is I let myself sit andthink about how do I actually

(47:02):
want my life to be Again, it'sone of those things where it's
like we know that futureenvisioning works.
We know visualizations work.
We know having this idea andgetting the inspired action
works.
And yet, when you're feelingcruddy, when you're feeling
burnt out, it's the first thingto go out the window, right.
And so I let myself sit downand think what is it that I
actually want my life to looklike?

(47:22):
And I came up with this idea ofthis is how I want to feel in my
work.
I want to be working this manyhours.
I want my mornings to feel likethis.
I want my evenings to look likethis.
I want it to be this way, and Igave myself the grace of saying
I don't know if I'm going to beable to make it happen right
now.
You know it might not be that Icome back from vacation and
suddenly my entire work balanceis different, but I know that
this is what I want to worktowards.

(47:43):
This is, like Christine said,my new standard right, and it's
so funny because I have comeback and to a T, everything that
I envisioned about how I wantmy work life to go has shifted
and has gotten 80% closer towhat I thought of when I was
sitting on my bed feeling soburnt out.
And what I love about it is thelimiting belief that was keeping

(48:07):
me from doing that right,because there's always a
limiting belief that keeps usfrom doing the work.
The limiting belief was, if I'mliving this life, if I'm
working this way, I'm not goingto be doing enough, I'm not
going to be making enough money,I'm not going to be able to
support myself and my family.
And yet when I've come back andI've really made a promise to
myself to keep that baseline ofI want to stay connected to the
sacred, I want to stay regulatedin myself and I want to honor

(48:30):
the boundaries that I've setwhen I let myself rest those
callings that I have, when I'mconnected to myself.
That's what I want to honorwhen I come back.
And in doing so, I've workedless, I've created more space
for myself, I've set boundarieswith ease.
I feel so much more confidentand at home in myself and fully
present and again, not splicingmyself up into okay, this is my

(48:55):
work self and then, when I'mdone, I can be my family self,
but really just letting myselfbe whole.
Everything I was afraid wouldhappen hasn't happened.
I've made more money, I've hadmore time, I've had more time, I
felt more connected, allbecause I gave myself the
permission to say I'm tired ofdoing it the way that society
says I should.
I'm tired of fragmenting myself, I'm tired of playing by

(49:15):
somebody else's rules and, likeI said the other day, I would
rather be a disappointment.
I would rather be adisappointment than not be
connected to myself anymore.
And I think it's really justreiterating to me how powerful
it is when we actually letourselves do the thing, make the
sacred space, take up thesacred space and listen to our

(49:37):
soul and trust that all of theother surface layer things our
mind, our limiting beliefs, ourthoughts, society's expectations
all of it falls away becauseit's not true, you know.
And what is false and what isnot true falls away so much more
easily and so much moreseamlessly when you're actually
connected to what is true.
And it's a great litmus test,you know, people are always a

(49:59):
little afraid of like well, whatif I do it and it all goes
wrong?
Or what if I do it and you know, my mind has proved right that
I should have worked more and Ishouldn't have set those
boundaries and I shouldn't havetaken up space and I shouldn't
have made that noise and Ishould have stayed in my box.
What if that happens?
And it's like it's not going to, because when you step into
that sacred space, when youconnect with yourself, you
realize that everything that fitin that box was false.

(50:21):
It wasn't real, it was anillusion, and the illusion can't
stay when you're in that sacredspace of self-connection.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Absolutely, and I think this is why we were so
strongly encouraged to putsomething together to guide our
community towards reclaiming thesacred self.
All of this, I feel like betweenmy trip to Japan and all of the
work that I have done over thelast really like nine months,

(50:51):
has brought me to this space ofno.
I'm really really feelingcompletely activated and
prepared to create a sacred,vulnerable safe for our students
to learn about these conceptsand a real, applicable way where
we can have vulnerableconversations, where we can

(51:14):
demonstrate and witness oneanother and teach on these
aspects of how do we harmonizeand balance our energies within
ourselves, how do weself-regulate, how do we show up
more, more authentically, morein that sacred space.
So we created a five-weekmasterclass that starts July

(51:37):
21st, which is like really soon,that's only in like 10 days.
We're going to do five weeksevenings on Monday nights, where
we are really going to gothrough this it feels like a
soul activation and reallyinvite you to come into a space
where you're learning, you'refeeling, you're showing up,

(52:02):
you're alchemizing, you're doingthe things to say this is who I
am and how am I going to keepthat energy in flow in my
fullness of who I am and myfullness of life.
Whatever avenue that is, yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
And really reclaiming again your right, your
birthright, to live a life thatfeels sacred, whatever that
looks like for you.
And I'm so excited about thismasterclass I think I might be
more excited about this than Iwas the last time we taught Soul
Rising because it just feelslike this incredibly potent
culmination of the things thatChristine and I have been doing

(52:41):
in our own lives, that we'vebeen learning, that we've been
applying, that we've been seeingin real time make shifts, that
we want to kind of peel openthis space in the world, on the
internet, for other people tofeel the same way.
And to me there's nothing quiteas sacred as having this piece
of yourself, this piece ofwisdom, this piece of

(53:04):
inspiration, this piece of heartthat you want to share with
others.
That feels so full and sofulfilling and so connected that
you can't help but want to saylook, I want to create a space
for you to be able to find thisfor yourself too.
And that's really what thismasterclass was born out of.
And it feels unlike anythingwe've really done in Moon Rising

(53:26):
so far, because it is just sodeeply personal and yet it's
also so deeply rooted in thetechniques, in the tangible
takeaways, in the things, theresearch, the science, the soul,
all of it, so that you canunderstand and remember who you
truly are before the world toldyou who to be, and you can
reclaim that sacred nature, thatsacred space within yourself

(53:49):
and within your life.
And so over the five weeks we'regoing to talk about sacred
safety, vulnerability and thegrowth edge, how you make that
sacred space for yourself inyour life.
We're going to talk aboutmasculine and feminine energy
dynamics and why it's so wildlydifferent than what we've been
told up to this point.
We're going to talk about yournervous system and polyvagal

(54:09):
theory and resourcing andregulating and how to come back
into that connection of self sothat by week three you know how
to create a sacred space in yourlife.
You know how to create a sacredspace in yourself, you know how
to be aware of the patterns andthe energy that's moving
through you and you're able tolet yourself feel those.
Again, just like the earth isallowed to have weather, you

(54:30):
know that you're allowed to haveyour sacred human experience
and from there we really get tomove into what's coming up for
you.
What are the subconsciouspatterns and programming that
we've picked up from societythat maybe we don't even realize
.
You know, I'm one of those whoI tend to be like.
What do you mean?
Societal programming?
I'm aware of it, I can step outof it.
It's fine, I can see where thesocietal programming is and I

(54:52):
can step out of it.
But I got to tell you, over thecourse of healing from burnout
and learning how to regulate mynervous system, I did not
realize how many rules andparadigms and programs I was
still buying into without evennoticing it.
And so we're going to make thisreally safe space where you can
let yourself feel and, in thatfeeling, really reveal what's

(55:12):
underneath that, what are theprogrammings, the limiting
beliefs, the inner child work,the subconscious patterns that
are ready to come up and out, sothat you can sink deeper into
that self-connection.
And we'll even bring it to thelevel of our sacral chakra,
which, again, sacral, sacred.
It all connects with talkingabout sensuality, our ability to
use our five senses to enjoythis human experience versus

(55:35):
sexuality, how we have oursacred desires, these visions,
and how we can use ourcreativity and our
self-expression to bring thoseto life, so that, hopefully, by
the end of week five, you feellike you have really reclaimed
your sacred self, reconnectedwith the magic and rapture of
life.
You feel that deep knowing thatyou and your life experience is

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sacred and holy and allowed tobe experienced exactly the way
that it is.
And you have the tools and thesystems and the support to know
how to continue that process.
And in that, you have the spaceto be vulnerable and come home
to yourself.
And you have the space toreconnect and to share your
story and to make the noise andto feel the things and to dance

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when you want to dance and wearwhat you want to wear, and all
of it for these two hours onMonday nights where you get to
practice putting this in placeso that by the time we're done,
you get to step into the fall,living an entirely different
life because your perspectivehas just shifted.
And I'm also really excitedabout this masterclass on a
personal level, for the chanceto reconnect to all of these

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things that Christine and I havelearned and to learn from
Christine and vice versa, toreally embody this in ourselves
in this masterclass.
I keep calling it more of likea sacred circle than a
masterclass, because that'sreally what it feels like?

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I feel like you know you'regoing to have, for the majority
of the time, you're most likelygoing to have both of us
facilitating each of thesecircle spaces, right, like we're
going to do our best to come toall of them.
I mean, there might be one ortwo that you only are going to
get one of us, but, like we'venever done it that way before,

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you know, like we usually areteaching masterclasses and these
smaller circles solo, and thisis a first time that Isabella
and I are coming together with acombined topic that we're both
really passionate about, and sothis is definitely a unique
opportunity.
And it's also when you know wedon't have any of our soul

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rising courses going on rightnow.
Like we literally finished outour last advanced class last
night, and so you are getting,um, this is our summer version
of teaching, which also has adifferent flavor, and I'm really
excited about that.
Like we love teaching so muchthat we couldn't envision the
possibility of taking a wholemonth away from teaching you

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guys.
Like, here we go.
So, regardless if you are havebeen a moon rising student in
the past or if you haven't been,wherever you are in your
journey you're going to learnnew things.
You are going to have newtakeaways from this material,
because it's not found reallyanywhere else to the capacity in
which we're presenting it.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Yeah, absolutely, and and and again.
It's that personal piece ofit's going to be new to you
because it's new to us, right?
It's this embodied wisdom thatwe have, I want to say, earned
through our journeys over thelast six months that we're now
so excited to share with you.
Like Christine said, thatmasterclass is starting on July
21st.
We're so excited to be sharingthis, to be teaching this, to be

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holding space, to be joiningyou in the circle.
So the link is below If youwant to learn more and enroll.
If you have questions, pleasemessage us, because obviously we
love talking about this stuffand we would love to learn what
you're looking for and what youneed to create that sacred space
for yourself, so that lifedoesn't have to feel like you're
living on autopilot, it doesn'tfeel like you are living by

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other people's rules, it doesn'tfeel like you're never
measuring up, et cetera, etcetera.
It doesn't feel like you'restuck in toxic patterns.
It is possible to live a lifethat feels sacred and safe and
full of ease and beauty and allof it right, and so that's
really what this masterclass isfor, and it starts on July 21st.
The recordings will beavailable if you can't make it

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live and because it is thisfive-week masterclass, it really
is designed to be moreaffordable, to be more
approachable, for everyone toengage with over their summer.
So we have a two-month paymentplan.
We have all the goodies for youand we are so excited to see
you in our circle.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you.
So, thank you so much fortaking the time to listen and
tune in.
Thank you for following us onFacebook and Instagram and
YouTube and all of the places.
Please send us your questionsif you have questions.
And until next time, may youawaken to the whispers of wisdom
rising from within.

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