April 14, 2025 • 50 mins
Ever wondered why you keep repeating the same self-sabotaging patterns? Or why certain relationships trigger intense emotional responses? Your Archetypes hold the key. In this episode of Wisdom Rising, Christine and Shantel explain how each archetype has both a shadow and light expression, and how recognizing when we're operating from shadow can create profound opportunities for healing and growth.
This episode reveals how archetypes—universal energy patterns that exist within all of us—offer a powerful framework for understanding our behaviors, triggers, and deepest patterns.
Along the way, you'll discover:
- Shadow work through spiritual archetypes
- Archetypes as universal energy patterns
- How to spot behavioral patterns and triggers
- The difference between shadow and light archetypal expressions
- Paths to healing through archetype awareness
- Christine’s journey with the Queen archetype
- Shantel’s Warrior protecting her Wounded Child
- How to witness shadow without judgment
- How to alchemize archetypes (e.g., Saboteur into Magician)
- Practical tools for recognizing your own patterns
- How to step into your highest potential
- And more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.
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Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy, healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and
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balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Hello, hello and welcome backto another episode of the Wisdom
Rising podcast.
In today's episode, christineand Chantel are diving into one
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of our favorite topics here atMoon Rising shadow work.
In the past, we've exploredshadow work from a shamanic
perspective, from the lens ofthe chakras, from a psychic
protection standpoint the lensof the chakras from a psychic
protection standpoint.
But this episode we're divinginto how working with the
spiritual archetypes cantransform your shadow work.
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Spiritual archetypes offer us apowerful lens through which we
can perceive ourselves, othersand the world around us, and in
today's conversation, christineand Chantel are going to discuss
the archetypes and how theyeach have a shadow side and a
light side.
Today's conversation is goingto dive deep into how we can use
these shadow selves, or theseshadow archetypes, to understand
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ourselves better and bring amore gentle and effective view
to our shadow work, so that wecan alchemize our shadow and
step into our light and ourpower.
So if you've been looking tolearn more about shadow work,
learn how to connect with thearchetypes and understand your
energy even better, then thisepisode is for you.
Before we dive in, I do want toremind everyone about some of
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the amazing events that we havecoming up for our Moon Rising
community.
If you're listening to this onMonday when the episode airs,
know that we have a chakrametaphysical anatomy and
physiology masterclass happeningon Friday, April 18th, at 7 PM
mountain time.
This hour long workshop isgoing to take you through each
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of the chakras, but take it alittle bit deeper than you've
heard it before.
So, rather than just looking atthese as energy centers, we're
going to be looking at how thechakras connect to our physical
health, our psychological healthand our energetic health Along
the way.
We're going to be talking aboutthe nervous system and how we
can bring that back into balance, how limiting beliefs and
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childhood trauma fits in, and somuch more so.
If you're really looking for atrue roadmap to healing and you
want to know how to find thatwith the chakras, then this free
one-hour webinar on April 18that 7 pm Eastern time is for you.
The link will be in thecomments to learn more and
register and, of course, therecording will be provided if
you can't join us live.
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In addition, christine is doinga fantastic three-week
masterclass that starts thisThursday, april 17th, and we'll
meet for two hours from 5 pmMountain Time to 7 pm Mountain
Time.
So 5 pm to 7 pm Mountain Timeor 7 to 9 pm Eastern Time, and
the class will meet for threeweeks, starting this Thursday,
april 17th, then again on the21st and the last meeting will
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be on May 1st.
This three-week masterclass isdiving into all things intrusive
entities and psychic protection.
So in week one you'll learnabout sovereignty and energetic
expansion.
In week two you'll learn aboutghosts, how they show up and
what they do, how to handle them.
And in week three you're goingto learn about intrusive
entities, what they are, whatthey want, what to do when you
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have one, and all through thecourse you're going to be
learning tips, tricks andtechniques to protect your
energy and keep yourself reallystrong and stable so that,
however, these more negative ordeeper energies might show up
for you.
You know that you're prepared.
So, again, that masterclassstarts this Thursday if you're
listening to this, when it airsApril 17th and it has a one-time
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payment or a two-part paymentplan.
This course is also set up sothat you can watch the
recordings rather than joiningthe live call.
So if you want to join thisafter the first class has
already started or even later inthe year, know that this course
will be going evergreen, soyou'll be able to get access to
the recordings and follow alongclass at your own pace.
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Another class that we have setup just like this is Chantel's
upcoming Alchemizing ArchetypesMasterclass.
So if you love what you hear intoday's podcast episode, know
that Chantel is doing a six-weekmasterclass all about
alchemizing the archetypes.
So in this masterclass, it'sgoing to offer you opportunities
to see your energetic blueprintthrough the lens of the four
collective archetypes.
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You're going to chart eacharchetype on your zodiac wheel
and spend a week working,witnessing and integrating
archetypical patterns and howthey reflect in your daily lives
.
You're also going to learn howto empower and embody your
higher selves as the warrior,lover, magician and sovereign
child, and so much more so thisfour-week masterclass starts on
Sunday, april 27th, and will gothrough June 1st.
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Classes will meet from 1 to 3Pacific time or from 4 to 6
Eastern time, and again thoseclasses will be on Sundays,
starting on April 27th.
So if you love this episode andyou want to learn more about how
you can really harness thepower of the archetypes to
enhance your energetic stabilityand strength, to step into your
highest self, to empower you totransform your shadow work and
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so much more, then the link toenroll in her course will be in
the comments that one also has aone-time payment or a two-time
monthly payment, and if youcan't join the live classes, all
of the recordings will beavailable for you to follow
along at your own pace.
We have so many more amazingopportunities coming up for the
community, so be sure to join usover in our Moon Rising
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And with all of that said,let's go to the show.
I hope you enjoy today'sepisode.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I think today's conversation with our shadow
archetypes will be a little moretangible and people can relate
to them in their day-to-day life, and so that's kind of what
we're going to be focusing on ishow our archetypes show up in
our life.
But how are they showing up onour shadow self when we are in
our unhealed version of who weare right, or when we're feeling
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triggered or we're feeling likelife isn't going our way?
Whatever it is, is that theshadow of our archetypes also
play a huge role in ourday-to-day life and how we see
the world, how we interact withit, how we approach our
relationships, things that weare doing with work and
everything, and so, yeah, I'mexcited to get into this
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conversation and actually to goover some of our own personal
archetypes and how they show upin our world when we're we're
not feeling in balance withourselves.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, right, I think this is cool and the fact that
like, yes, each archetype has alight and dark and we can
experience both those extremes,like the fullness of the light
or the fullness of the dark, andwhere are you in that spectrum?
Right, and so I'm, I'm excitedfor the conversation, especially
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now that I know, like, whatexactly we're talking about,
cause I'm like, okay, let me gograb my archetypal wheel the one
that's on me and I'll grab mybook, like I can get into things
, that's fine.
And um, and just recognizingthat this is yet another way of
self-exploration, self-awareness, understanding your own
personal development andspiritual journey, like that's
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kind of the emphasis I feel likewhen we get into archetypes,
like that's what really comes to.
The comes forward is like whoam I, who do I want to be?
How can I utilize these innatearchetypes that are already
within me to their fullestpotential, so I can get the most
out of my life and spiritualjourney?
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So how does that resonate?
Does that land?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's it, right there, absolutely, yeah, it
really does.
And just knowing that this issomething.
It is like you're saying, it'sself exploration, when the more
we know about ourselves, thebetter we can, you know,
approach life and and do thethings we want to do right,
because a lot of times it isit's our shadow self that's just
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lurking.
It's right there and at anymoment we can just tip from the
light to the dark.
Right, we can get into those,be angry, act out, throw a fit,
do the things you know, sabotageyourself.
So that's all just a part ofthe human experience.
But when we know it, thatbrings in the awareness that we
need to say I'm kind of donewith that part of life and I'm
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ready to be way more over herein my abundance.
You know, archetype, myabundance, energy and shadow
sometimes really can drain thatdrain.
It drains our energy, it drainsour life force, and so when
we're leaking everything andwe're not in our full potential
and our full empowerment, thisis a great way to look at it and
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see if maybe this is apossibility of why that's
happening in your life.
So originally, archetypes wereintroduced by Carl Jung and his
introduction of it had to dowith the ego, the subconscious,
and everything that's going onbelow, beneath us, in our not in
our conscious awareness, right,right.
And so then, carolyn, Miss andDolores Cannon, they brought it
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into the spiritual world, sothey took it more into the
perspective of these are ourspiritual guides, are part of
our spiritual team.
It is a subconscious thing, butonce you know it and understand
how it works in your 12 zodiacwill and it's all laid out for
you, it's so like, it's just soeye opening and it's definitely
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a tool that I know that bothChristine and I use on a regular
basis, since it's come into,since it's come into, like, our
full awareness of like, oh shit,yeah, we could just in you can
see where people are and howthey're lining up in their
archetypes and whether in theshadow or the light.
So it really does help withyour, your relationships, right.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I you guys can't see me when, when Chantel's talking,
but I'm over here just gigglingand laughing because it's so
true.
It's so true that, like, yes, I, I look at my archetypes, I
look at my wheel and I can seehow they play out in such a big
way that, uh it, it's humorousto me at this point when I'm
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like, oh yeah, I've done thatwork, oh yeah, that's showing up
now and to to to like feel intothe archetypes themselves and
really feel into does thisautomatically make me feel that
this archetype in and of itselfis a light, lighter archetype
versus a shadowier archetype?
Like it's the slave versus thequeen right, like they both have
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their light and their darks,but slave just elicits like this
is a heavier archetype, rightversus a queen.
Most people, oh yeah, let's dothat Right.
Like the queen in herself andher empowerment can be really,
uh, you know, full of love andlight.
And there's like the dark sideof the queen where it's very, um
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, she's self-righteous and sheis like really undermining
people.
And you know, like there'sdifferent ways that you can look
at every single archetype thatreally elicits the light and the
dark Right.
And when we understand thisaspect of ourselves in the light
and the dark and going.
How can I be in my highestalignment, the greatest version
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of who I am?
Because when we we work towardsthat, what happens in our
energy field is that it expands.
So even the light and the darkof each of these archetypes you
can think about, about it in aform of this is my fullest
expansion, my fullest loveexpression, or is it my, my fear
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?
Is it the contraction that goinginward and not being the
fullness of who you are, thefullness of the grandest version
of who you are, your highestself, right?
And so it's really interestingto watch them play out in your
real life and going.
Okay, if this is in my, whichwheel of my archetype, and how
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does it play out?
To undermine me or to enhanceme, Right?
And so I think there's a lot oflike one.
Yes, we have free will, choiceand we, but it's so much easier
when we can make conscious,awareness choices of going.
Oh, I can see how this is soeasy for me to slip into because
it's part of my archetypes thatare so innate within me.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, yeah for sure.
So then it's like the shadowself is the wounded version of
ours, of us, right?
So, for example, like, well,first I want to say that in a
previous conversation about thearchetypes, we already went over
the four collective archetypes,so we're going to be focusing
on different ones, but the fourcollective that we all come in
with is the um, the victim, theprostitute, the saboteur, and
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then there are six childarchetypes, and so we connect to
one of them.
So that is the collective, andthen we have a total of 12.
So, individually, we also haveeight.
Okay, and so one of mine and Iput it down as one to talk about
is the rebel, right?
So we have, well, I have thewarrior.
So the warrior for me comes inin my 12th house, which is in
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Pisces, which is all aboutenergy, like it's the flow of
water, it's being in balance.
It's the yin and the yang,right, it's all of that, but
it's in in balance.
It's the yin and the yang,right, it's all of that.
But it's in my unconsciousness,in my unconscious self.
So when the warrior shows up,it's because there's something
underneath that is brewing in methat is not of the light yet.
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So when the warrior shows up,it's really to come in and to
take a stance and say this isnot working for.
So the warrior can come in andeither destroy, disrupt my world
, or can come in and createbalance for me by standing my
ground, by me voicing, by mebeing authentic, by me saying
and speaking my truth of what Ineed or, like I said, it can
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come in and be the shadow partof me and then just absolutely
come in and destroy everythingthat's going on.
Yeah, does that make sense?
And then going across is mywounded child, which makes
absolute sense, which?
So if my wounded child is beingtriggered, yeah, the warrior is
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going to come in to protect.
The warrior is going to come inand just destroy the things
that aren't working for me sothat my wounded child can feel
safe.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Okay, so let me, let me make sure I understood this
Right and so our listeners cantoo.
Yeah, am I hearing that right?
You looked at your.
You were looking at your 12thhouse and Pisces, where your
warrior is, and then you canlook across your chart, so
looking completely over to yoursixth house, and that that is
your, your child child, mywounded child.
(16:06):
Yeah, okay, I just wanted tomake sure.
Like so, if you don't know, um,from carolyn miss, she has kind
of crafted a way to look at thearchetypes using the 12th houses
, and each house in ourastrology charts represent
something.
So that is really what Chantelis speaking to.
Is like, okay, if you're in the, if you're in her 12th house of
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Pisces, it's like theunconscious space, this is where
her warrior resides.
And if she looks across thechart to her, to her sixth house
, that's where Virgo is and it'smore on like occupation, on
health and wellness, those typesof things, and that's where her
wounded child is residing.
And, understanding thisconnection of the two, the
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warrior wants to step up tosupport the wounded child,
absolutely, yeah, I just want tomake sure I got that right, yes
, Very good.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
And then when you look at so, when you brought up
occupation and health, right,and my wounded child is in my
health aspect, so alsoconnecting how my wounded child
can also manifest health issuesright.
So, and not that I have a lot,but the things that I have
endured in life, it's becausethat wounded child has been
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pained and somewhere that energyhas been trapped in me and I
had to heal it in order for meto be physically healthy now.
So you take it all, it's notlike and this is what I like
about it there's so many layersto it.
But when you can connect allthe different elements of what's
going on with the archetypesand soul contracts and your
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health and your chakras, yourenergy, all of it, it really
puts.
It's like gathering all thepuzzle pieces and putting it
into that big picture.
And so this is just one part ofthe tool that can really like.
It just brings the full pictureforward so that we can really
connect with who we are.
And so another one is teacher.
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So I have teacher in myself-expression and that's in
Gemini, so that's my lifetime,but also in the things that are
in spirit, in our spiritualrealm of hey, did you know this
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and let's teach on that.
Let's get the you know theslideshow going, let's gather
the people, the class and allthat.
So my teacher, in my selfexpression, is very, it's just
always there.
I'm always ready to teachsomething, right?
Because?
So what do you have yourteacher in?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Cause I know you have teacher too right, I don't
actually have guide, guide,guide, and I have exorcist, I
have liberator, um, I have queen.
You know, those are like avisionary, obviously, yeah Right
, like.
So I definitely have some thatare more on that side, teacher,
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like side.
You know, when I was justlooking at my, my chart here and
the one that is popping up tome, that one that's most, um,
I'm in awareness of in thismoment, is actually exorcist,
which is in my 10th house ofCapricorn and that kind of
resonates with your highestpotential.
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The exorcist is also known asthe shaman and I, since I was
teaching this class last nighton basically how to do exorcisms
and demonic depossessions andhow to deal with possessions and
intrusive entities and likethis really heavy topic it was
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it's really interesting to me to, to to like I left class
feeling so high like none of it.
There's, no, there was no fearfactor in it for me, because
this is part of who I am right,like, I don't fear the power of
it or fear the darkness, becauseit's like I know I'm just, I'm
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just as or more powerful thanmore powerful than anything that
resides in those realms, and itwas really interesting.
So I pulled up the book justnow from Carolyn misses sacred
contracts, and I pulled up theexorcist just to see what their
her shadow version definition ofthe exorcist is the shadow
exorcist just to see what theirher shadow version definition of
the exorcist is.
The shadow exorcist attacks theevil and others without having
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the courage to face his owndemons.
That's awesome, I just feellike and this is this is what
we're talking about.
Like, even though it might be amore of a shadowy archetype,
there's still a shadow aspect ofit.
And how does it impact you?
So this is really interesting.
Like, okay, how in my life overthe years so maybe not in
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recent years, but how have Idenied working on my own
internal demons?
And you know it was.
It was interesting because Iwent to like immediately after
class.
I went to a cacao ceremony anda static dance last night and
when I entered the room, like Iwas late because I had to teach
class.
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And so there's probably 30people and they got a talking
stick and they're going aroundthe room as part of the cacao
ceremony and they're speaking towhat freedom means to them as
part of the cacao ceremony, andthey're speaking to what freedom
means to them.
And so here I am after talkingabout intrusive entities for the
last two hours and we'rethey're having this conversation
about freedom and likelistening to everyone's
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definitions and I'm only gettinga few because I came in late.
And so here's the talking tothem Like and this is who I am.
I was just teaching this classon on intrusive entities and you
can just see like everyone'shaving this really light,
lighter conversation.
I'm bringing in this heavytopic and just going like and I
feel amazing about it, like Ihad to like express also like
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how full I feel and when I'm inalignment with my archetype of
it's fullest expression, like Ifeel good, I feel expansive, I
feel in the love and lightenergy when I'm like speaking to
the highest role of myarchetype.
And I thought about I wassitting there going like I'm not
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super used to kind of the thecow ceremonies at least where we
are, it's kind of a free forall conversation about like
whatever is bubbling up.
And I had thought about, no,should I tell them like I've
been possessed before, I've I'vehad to fight my own demons,
like I like those things.
But it just felt too heavy forfor that audience last night and
(22:42):
to really recognize like, yeah,when I'm looking at here's the
shadow aspects of not face, nothaving the courage to face your
own demons, and how long I hadspent in my life of like not
willing to look at those dark,shadowy spaces and not willing
to face and fight my own demons,and what did those look like,
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right.
And so I remember there was thispivotal point, point in my
education and my spiritualjourney where it was like I'm
just done, I'm just done withthe bullshit and I'm ready for
healing.
And that is what every personneeds when they are really ready
to fight their own demons.
Is they have to get to thatpoint of are really ready to
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fight their own demons?
Is they have to get to thatpoint of I'm not willing and
available to deal with this shitanymore?
And I remember that point in mylife when it came to my
spirituality and it feels kindof over and over again, partly
because my saboteur is in myninth house of spirituality,
Right.
So you know, I've got some likeinteresting connections there
where here's my saboteur messingwith my spiritual side and my
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guides and like that.
Like that's a whole other story, but like you can see how these
two houses, the ninth and 10thhouse are right next to each
other, and Sagittarius andCapricorn, which are both my
rising and moon signs, right, itmakes it even more potent that
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I'm dealing with the exorcistand the saboteur and how the
exorcist needs to really show upto combat that saboteur and its
highest and fullest potential,which is dealing with your own
personal demons.
Yes, right.
So I find it all, um, Iwouldn't say humorous, but I
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find it highly, I don't like Ialmost entertaining to look at
ourselves from this level ofawareness.
This, like bringing it intoconsciousness, makes it go.
Oh, I get it and I can see whenI dealt with my demons and how
things change and how I reallygot rid of the demons in my life
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, both physically, spiritually,mentally, emotionally, like on
all of the different levels,because that was happening in my
world, like on all of thedifferent levels, because that
was happening in my world, andto be able to, to step into the
highest potential of that, thelove side of this the exorcist
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is really to be the shamanicpractitioner of really available
to help and support otherpeople with their, their stuff,
their heaviness, right.
So I just find it all veryinteresting.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
It really is.
And I think, as people, if you,if you are interested in this
and you you dive into this andyou want to learn about the
wheel and everything, you willfind that, yes, this is.
This can be to some, a littletriggering because it is working
with your shadow self and wehave to be truthful of, yes, is
the exorcist going to show up?
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How is the saboteur going toshow up?
You know, for me I have a bullyarchetype.
That wasn't an easy one to takein, but I knew it was a part of
it.
You know, because as thewarrior, the bully, shows up,
it's like I could really standreally strong in my life in
certain seasons of my life whereI'm not going to get pushed
around.
So I will push back, you know.
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And so when I had to sit withthat and then alchemize that in
more into the lover and havingcompassion and being able to
connect with people on a deeperlevel, it really changed my
whole world, my whole world,because I was like, yeah, I'm
going to, I'm going to show upas that warrior part of myself
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to make sure that I feel safeand secure in where I'm at,
because I was dealing with somuch stuff in life that was not
safe and was not secure.
So then my archetypes areshowing up to say, okay, you
have the strength to get throughthis, let's do it Right.
But it doesn't always feel goodwhen you're pushing back with
people that you love or you'repushing back on things that you
want to to create and manifestand you're watching things fall
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apart.
So this is really a bigeye-opener for us.
But when we can see it, it'slike, okay, I recognize that,
like what you're saying,christine, you're like I see it,
I need to alchemize this, Ineed to bring it forward, the
light version of this archetype,and through that is the healing
process.
And so it's like sometimes thisis a straight in your face kind
of chart, but when youunderstand it and you work with
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it, it shifts everything around.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Well, and I think this comes to that point of like
you have to be ready to dealwith your shadows.
Exactly, yeah, you cannotapproach archetypes if you're
not ready for healing and notwilling to look at the stuff in
your life.
It very clearly organizesthings of what is in your
subconscious and we're going tobring it into your conscious
awareness.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, this is like radical accountability.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
That is it.
So you're taking radicalresponsibility for your life by
going wow, I do have anarchetype that's a bully.
Wow, I do have an archetypethat's the miser.
Wow, I do have an archetypethat's the slave.
What does that mean for me?
Right, like, how can I bearwitness to this aspect of who I
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am and say what am Icontributing to the shadow
portion of this?
Right, because this is when wereally recognize the shadow
aspect and recognizing how doesthis play into our sabotaging,
self-sabotaging behaviors?
How are we mitigatingrelationships?
How are we mitigatingrelationships?
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How are we interacting withothers?
Which archetype is beingembodied when I interact with
this person that can tell us somuch information?
Right, and I feel like, when weare being really brutally honest
with ourselves, you can'tapproach this, the, the, the
deck of archetypes, or even thebook of archetypes, and say,
it's, I'm just going to pick allof the good ones, all of like,
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the quote unquote good ones, allof the love and light ones.
It doesn't work that way.
So you have to like, even whenyou're starting to come to like,
what are my archetypes?
How am I picking out my 12?
Like, you have four.
That's already prettypredetermined.
You know the, the the saboteur,the um the victim, the uh, the,
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the the child.
And what's the fourth one?
I'm going to my forgetting?
Uh, victim, prostitute,prostitute, right.
So like you have those four.
So then you're really lookingat like, okay, here's the eight.
You need to go through all ofthe archetypes and Carol Mice
put out here 72 of them, right.
So you need to go through andreally tune into what are the
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eight that resonate with me,right?
And so as you go through thedeck, you need to be really
honest with yourself or yourchart isn't going to come out,
right.
So, yeah, you've got to tuneinto your own energy.
You've got to like kind of tuneinto your own alignment and
being like I'm bringing in myhighest version, I'm willing to
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do the shadow work, I'm willingto look at those dark spaces
within myself, to self-acceptthat I'm not perfect, I'm not
perfectly of the love and lightthere's, because that doesn't
exist.
We all have wounds, we all haveshadows, right.
So when we could go through all72 of those potential
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archetypes and going thatdoesn't resonate, that doesn't
resonate, oh, that might be amaybe, right, we're going to put
that in the maybe pile.
And then you're like you gothrough and you're like I was
really resistant to having queen, I really didn't want queen,
right?
I remember, yeah, chantel waswith me and I was like I don't
want this card, like can't Ihave something else?
(30:43):
Can I have a similar one, butnot this one?
And the more I sat with it I'mlike, but that is who she is.
And you know it's funny becausewhen I was in my early twenties
, at midwifery school, theynicknamed me, nicknamed me queen
Christine.
You know, like there was sometruth to that.
I like that, um, I I don't havea problem sitting in my power
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and delegating, like that isreally easy for me to do, and
that, how does that come off toothers?
I don't like that perceptionthat I'm better than other
people.
I don't like the perceptionthat I'm full of myself, like
and like that is my archetypeand you know what it's in my,
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it's in my first house, which isego and personality.
And I'm like, like that is howpeople perceive me.
Is that I'm just self-righteousand like dictating how things
need to go?
Like I don't want to be viewedthat way.
Of course I don't.
Of course I don't.
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And what's the light side of it?
And how can I alchemize thoseshadowy aspects of it?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
right.
But then you can see what therole is yeah, for what queen,
and how queen shows up in yourlife and how queen is helping
you to live the path that you'rehere to do.
Your soul contracts right, like, in order to be able to run a
business like we're running anddoing what you're doing, you
have to have an archetype that'sgoing to stand in her truth and
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her power and be able to guideand lead and be like visionary
as that's coming in.
So when you see it and I lovethat even before you knew of the
archetypes or that it wascoming in, that they were
already telling you that, yes,she was already showing up.
She's like I'm here, I'm likeup front and center, do you see
me?
And you were like no, no.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Can I be the goddess Like wouldn't that be so much
better.
Like I remember really tryingto hone in on something else
that was similar but not quiteis.
You will have this innerknowing.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You know what it is, even if you don't want it.
There's going to be yourintuition that's going to step
forward and say yeah, that's it,that's it.
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And it's through the charting,it's through the meditation.
It's going to the upper world,it's meeting your archetypes.
There's a whole process to it,but once you have it done, it's
like there it is.
It's one of the biggest toolsto use, because then you
absolutely know why you'reshowing up the way you're
showing up and how to changethat, those aspects of yourself,
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how to go from the shadow tothe light, how to bring in that
balance, how to do.
You know, do it all and it'sjust like there.
It is all written down on apiece of paper and it's like
well, shit, exactly.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Exactly shit, exactly Exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
It's like oh and it's so crowned, it's so so
perspective that you know whenwe're in our our lower, like you
know aspects of ourself.
Yeah, this might be somethingthat's like no, I don't want to
do that, but when you raiseyourself up to that higher
awareness and consciousness ofit, this is such an amazing way
(34:07):
to get through life and to dolife and to embrace it and
embody it in a very empoweredway.
Because I'm telling you, if thevictim shows up and she's
tapping at your door andeverything in you just is
victimized by life andeverything's happening against
me and why, and this and thatand all of it, and then you go,
you know what?
I'm no longer going to be thevictim of the situation.
(34:28):
I am now going to shift thatand she becomes the warrior of
your highest self.
So she's going to come in andbe like no more, I have my
boundaries, you set it foryourself, You're strong, You're
in your power and suddenly youdon't feel that victim anymore.
You see things for how they areand you don't let people push
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you around anymore or situationsany of it Right.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I just I can see that Like I don't let people push me
around anymore, like thatphrase really stood out because
I I can sit on the throne of thequeen and be like I'm really
comfortable, like allowingpeople to do things for me.
Like I hate to even say itright, but it's true.
Like I remember when I wassuper broke, super like we were
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straight up poor, and I had my,my baby, when my my last child,
who's now 12, when she was born,like we had nothing and I was
like can I teach someone Reikiso I can barter with them, so
they can clean my house?
Like I was like how can someonetake care, take care of all of
the things?
Um, and I don't actually haveto do it.
(35:39):
Like, and I'm still, and Istill have that, like those
little flavors, and like it'sthe self acceptance of like yeah
, this is, this is who I am, andI can strive to be the best
version of all of these aspects,but this is actually who I am.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah, right, because there are.
We need those shadow versionsof ourself to help us get
through the darker parts of life.
Right, because they do.
That is the warrior in us andthat's the one that's going to
give us the strength and powerto push ahead.
So, when we are strugglingfinancially, when we are feeling
like nothing is working out,when we are the single mom, the
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single parent right, or whateverit is you're struggling with
your child, whatevercircumstance you're dealing with
, there is that side of us thatwe so strongly need that's going
to step forward and say I gotthis and I'm going to do it.
And then you pull up your bootsand you strap them on and you
go and you do it and you be thatintense warrior, that intense
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one that's going to just the onethat's going to go and just
destroy to bring back thestrength and love and everything
that we need.
So we got to go out there anddo it.
But if we're always like we'rejust in love and light, we're
really not and then we're alsowearing masks to say like, oh, I
don't have anything, becausethere are people that try to be
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like I don't have anythingnegative, I'm like you don't
know yourself then you knowcause.
If you can't see your ownshadows, you don't know yourself
.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Well, you're probably spiritually bypassing, so that
you yeah you're bypassing yourown life, your own self.
Well, and I think, like, what'sthe point of all of this, like
from a very crown chakra pointof view, if this is preordained
in some way?
We have come in with free willchoice to say, yes, these are
the archetypes, these are thesoul agreements, these are the
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soul families I'm coming in withwith this personality, like
these subset of archetypes tosupport me in those life lessons
.
Mm-hmm, why fight it?
Why fight it?
We can alchemize it, we canwork with it, we can work within
it.
(37:55):
But there is no point ofdenying that we have a
prostitute.
We all have a prostitute.
There's always some aspect ofourselves that wants to have
this exchange of energy, of somecapacity, somewhere in some
part of our life.
Right, do you work for the manand exchange for a paycheck,
like whatever that is for youand going, bringing it into your
(38:20):
conscious awareness, lets youhave that.
It's just, it is.
It becomes self-awareness, itbecomes like you have better
opportunities to make free willchoices.
Right, when can act this way?
Or which is like common andfamiliar and on my patterns and
routines?
Or I can say I'm going tochoose the highest version of
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expression of myself in thissituation and what does that
look like.
And so when we can slow down,recognize our shadows, recognize
our saboteur, recognize thatundermining nature within us
that is there for everyone, andgo.
I, because of my awareness, Inow have awareness of choice.
(39:07):
I can keep doing what I'm doingor I can make a new choice and
I can strive for the best lifepossible for me.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
And I love, like, what you said about why deny it?
Because there is no.
I mean, we can't live in therealm of denial all day long,
right, but there's not going tobe any growth, there's no change
there, there's none of that.
So it's like no denying it,it's we just need to.
Or I feel for myself anyway, Ijust came to a point where I
(39:38):
needed to accept it.
You know it was like no, okay,here it is.
Here's, here are some answersthat just resonated so strongly
and it's like now go live thelife with that, so you can be
the highest version of yourself.
And so, like what you'retalking about with your class
last night, what happens ifwe're always in our shadow and
we're not alchemizing it, we'renot healing them?
(39:59):
Then you start having thosereally dark shadow archetypes
and entities and attachments andall of those things that start
coming forward because you're inthe shadow.
So much right, and we justlabel it like oh, I'm depressed
or I'm in grief, I'm sad, I'mangry, but what is that?
That's us sitting in our shadowself and not trying to change
(40:22):
it, shift it, grow, evolve, anyof it, and then that just
welcomes in all the darkerenergies of our world.
Yeah, Right.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
So it's like how can we come to a space of, of, of
expansion, right?
And I think this is why, gosh, Ifeel like every single podcast
you all, all of our listeners,are probably annoyed by my
repetition here, but like yougot to work on yourself, people
Like it all comes down to youravailability to support yourself
(40:54):
and healing and be in thatexpansive state of energy Like
um, uh, and that's why we do somany like our last podcast that
came, came out on the tips forchakra healing Like this is what
we're talking about.
It's like how can we reallyunderstand where our energy is
(41:14):
stuck and where is it flowing?
Right?
Like all of these, all of thesedifferent concepts lead you to
the same place of spiritualgrowth, spiritual expansion, of
being your highest version ofwho you are, and when you are in
that expression, your highestversion of who you are, and when
you are in that expression,your energy abounds.
(41:35):
Your energy is an abundance,it's in prosperity, it's in flow
, it's in quote, unquote thevortex, it's in this state,
where, then, the synchronicitiescan show up, the blessings can
show up, the resources can showup, you can hold that desired
reality of what you want tocreate for your life and make
manifest it Right.
But if you have an underlyingshadow that you refuse to look
(41:57):
at, they're going to comesneakily around to like foul it
up.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah, they're, and they're really really good at it
.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Right, and the reason being is because when we ignore
it, when you resist, itpersists, right.
So when you don't look at it,it's going to show up until you
pay attention.
Whether this is coming throughhealth issues, whether this is
coming through emotionalproblems, whether this is like
in my case, oftentimes mysaboteur is in my house of
(42:27):
spirituality and, like my guides, are doing all kinds of stuff
like whatever it is for you.
When we can go, what's going onhere?
Like when I finally saw thesaboteur and my house of
spirituality, I'm like, oh well,that makes sense, I get that.
I can totally see that.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Right, yeah, see, my saboteur is in my home and yeah,
I see that I can absolutelydestroy my inner, like my
sanctuary, if I am not in mylove and light, if I'm not, if
I'm upset, if I'm angry.
And I've learned how to reallyheal that and control that, like
(43:05):
I know when to walk away.
Now I know how to walk away now.
That's what's so important.
It's not even that you can'tsay what you need to say, but
you've learned through thisprocess how to say what you need
to say, how to express yourself, because you have the awareness
.
Now it's like I'm not going tosabotage my home.
You know I'm not going to godestroy everything I got going
(43:26):
on because I'm mad.
You know, because if I'm angry,because I do have the warrior
and I do have the saboteur and Ihave all these things, these
archetypes in my will, that canbe really hot headed.
I can then go to the healer inmy Sagittarius and my
spirituality, which I amSagittarius and a fire sign to
the core of who I am.
So I can go to the healer ofwho I am now and say I need your
(43:48):
help because our archetypes areour allies when we work with
them.
Right, then their whole purposehere is to keep us on our
soul's journey and path, to keepus where we need to be, and
they will redirect us all thetime through the shadow, through
our own destruction of self.
So it's like they're going tokeep pushing us forward until we
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get to that place of in anylevel of enlightenment of
ourself and say I can walk awayfrom that conversation and not
destroy you, because I know Ican with words.
You know, and then go.
I'm going to now I'm going togo and self punish and I'm going
to go be the victim because Isaid all the things I didn't
want to say and now I got to gobe the prostitute because I got
to go renegotiate the love andsomebody.
(44:32):
You know what I mean.
So when you see the patterns andhow they all work together,
you're just like, well, shit, orI can just stop it right here
and now and say I just need aminute, give me some time to go
process and then I'll come backand we'll be all right.
You know, and I'm not, I knowI'm not the only one out there
that has had to deal with angeror disappointment of people
(44:55):
Right or relationships we allhave, but we can all also be in
this space, like Christine and Iare talking about, where you do
that radical healing andawareness and you take the
responsibility of self and youcan shift it all and so, yeah,
it's just so powerful and I lovethat.
That's why we put on theclasses we do here, because it
(45:19):
is all about self-radicalhealing and awareness and
standing in your true self andraising up to whatever version
that is for you, absolutelyAmazing.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
I love it.
I love the piece when I learnedthat the saboteur can become the
magician.
Yes, right, like.
So when you completely alchemizeyour saboteur wherever you're
self-sabotaging in your life,the highest version of that is
to be the magician of that realmin your life, right, and so for
(45:51):
mine, being in the realm ofspirituality at my highest
potential, that is the magicianand spirituality Wow, the
manifestations that I've createdin my life when I'm in that
fullest expression, is amazing,right, and so I think the the,
the hope is that you recognizethat when we do the shadow work,
(46:15):
it's worth it, right, it'sworth it, like, let our lives be
that example, your, your hope,your inspiration.
Because it's like, yeah, we'vebeen through some shit and we
were willing to go into the dark, to look at all those places
and spaces within us and say I'mwilling to heal, I'm willing to
(46:36):
change, I'm willing toalchemize, I'm willing to do the
work so that when theseactivations, triggers whatever
you want to call them show up,you can take a moment before you
respond, instead of having aknee jerk reaction.
You go oh, there's thatsaboteur again, or whatever it
may be for you to go, I now havea choice.
(46:58):
I can have this automaticresponse, and that's a choice,
or I can make a new choice anddo something different.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah yeah.
And it does it that change.
You know, there there was aperiod of time where I could not
sit in my own space because mymind would take me to all the
places I didn't want to go andthink, and you know the memories
and everything.
And there was a period when myhusband was working away from
home and I literally took likewhat, seven, eight months of
(47:28):
where I was in silence in my ownhouse and that I mean, and that
was radical for me because tohave no background noise, I was
just in my thoughts.
Whatever I was doing, I juststayed in my thoughts.
That literally shifted so muchin my life because I was able to
get out of the memories Ididn't want to have.
I was able to be more in amindful state of thought and
(47:50):
emotion that it was reallypowerful.
And I don't go like you know,that was just my radical way of
healing the things that I neededto heal and that's not going to
work for everyone, but whenyou're ready to do it, the tools
are going to show up, theability to do it is going to
show up.
The time, the space, whateverit is.
It's like when the student isready, the teacher will show up.
(48:11):
However, that teacher iswhoever and whatever element it
is.
So just embracing that and youknow, I do want to say, if you
are, if this is something thatstrikes you and you're
interested and you do want todive deeper, I am going to be.
I'm hosting a um six weekmasterclass on alchemizing your
archetypes.
It starts on April 26th and soeach week we will be working
(48:38):
with the four collectivearchetypes.
So each week we will chart it,we will meditate, we will go to
the upper world.
I will lead you on a guidedmeditation to meet each
archetype.
So we'll start with the victim.
You'll be working with thevictim of self shadow and light,
both of it, for one week andthen the next week, when we come
(48:59):
back, we're going to work withthe saboteur.
You're going to see where it isin your chart because we're
going to be charting it.
You'll work with the saboteur,the prostitute, and then your
child, and so it's really sixweeks of working deep with your
four primary archetypes andseeing how you can shift your
life, alchemize that, bring morelight in, more balance, more
healing and have a greaterunderstanding of where you are.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Absolutely.
I'm so excited, absolutely.
So thank you so much forsharing.
It's going to be amazingopportunity to really dive into
the shadow aspects to heal.
So if you so much for sharing,it's going to be an amazing
opportunity to really dive intothe shadow aspects to heal.
So, if you are ready forhealing, I highly recommend
joining Chantel's archetypeclass.
It's going to be so good.
And for today, until next time,may you awaken to the whispers
(49:45):
of wisdom rising from within.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
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Once again, thank you forsharing space with us today and
until next time, may you awakento the whispers of wisdom rising
from within.
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.
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Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
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Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and
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balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Hello, hello and welcome backto another episode of the Wisdom
Rising podcast.
In today's episode, christineand Chantel are diving into one
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of our favorite topics here atMoon Rising shadow work.
In the past, we've exploredshadow work from a shamanic
perspective, from the lens ofthe chakras, from a psychic
protection standpoint the lensof the chakras from a psychic
protection standpoint.
But this episode we're divinginto how working with the
spiritual archetypes cantransform your shadow work.
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Spiritual archetypes offer us apowerful lens through which we
can perceive ourselves, othersand the world around us, and in
today's conversation, christineand Chantel are going to discuss
the archetypes and how theyeach have a shadow side and a
light side.
Today's conversation is goingto dive deep into how we can use
these shadow selves, or theseshadow archetypes, to understand
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ourselves better and bring amore gentle and effective view
to our shadow work, so that wecan alchemize our shadow and
step into our light and ourpower.
So if you've been looking tolearn more about shadow work,
learn how to connect with thearchetypes and understand your
energy even better, then thisepisode is for you.
Before we dive in, I do want toremind everyone about some of
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the amazing events that we havecoming up for our Moon Rising
community.
If you're listening to this onMonday when the episode airs,
know that we have a chakrametaphysical anatomy and
physiology masterclass happeningon Friday, April 18th, at 7 PM
mountain time.
This hour long workshop isgoing to take you through each
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of the chakras, but take it alittle bit deeper than you've
heard it before.
So, rather than just looking atthese as energy centers, we're
going to be looking at how thechakras connect to our physical
health, our psychological healthand our energetic health Along
the way.
We're going to be talking aboutthe nervous system and how we
can bring that back into balance, how limiting beliefs and
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childhood trauma fits in, and somuch more so.
If you're really looking for atrue roadmap to healing and you
want to know how to find thatwith the chakras, then this free
one-hour webinar on April 18that 7 pm Eastern time is for you.
The link will be in thecomments to learn more and
register and, of course, therecording will be provided if
you can't join us live.
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In addition, christine is doinga fantastic three-week
masterclass that starts thisThursday, april 17th, and we'll
meet for two hours from 5 pmMountain Time to 7 pm Mountain
Time.
So 5 pm to 7 pm Mountain Timeor 7 to 9 pm Eastern Time, and
the class will meet for threeweeks, starting this Thursday,
april 17th, then again on the21st and the last meeting will
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be on May 1st.
This three-week masterclass isdiving into all things intrusive
entities and psychic protection.
So in week one you'll learnabout sovereignty and energetic
expansion.
In week two you'll learn aboutghosts, how they show up and
what they do, how to handle them.
And in week three you're goingto learn about intrusive
entities, what they are, whatthey want, what to do when you
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have one, and all through thecourse you're going to be
learning tips, tricks andtechniques to protect your
energy and keep yourself reallystrong and stable so that,
however, these more negative ordeeper energies might show up
for you.
You know that you're prepared.
So, again, that masterclassstarts this Thursday if you're
listening to this, when it airsApril 17th and it has a one-time
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payment or a two-part paymentplan.
This course is also set up sothat you can watch the
recordings rather than joiningthe live call.
So if you want to join thisafter the first class has
already started or even later inthe year, know that this course
will be going evergreen, soyou'll be able to get access to
the recordings and follow alongclass at your own pace.
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Another class that we have setup just like this is Chantel's
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Speaker 2 (06:57):
I think today's conversation with our shadow
archetypes will be a little moretangible and people can relate
to them in their day-to-day life, and so that's kind of what
we're going to be focusing on ishow our archetypes show up in
our life.
But how are they showing up onour shadow self when we are in
our unhealed version of who weare right, or when we're feeling
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triggered or we're feeling likelife isn't going our way?
Whatever it is, is that theshadow of our archetypes also
play a huge role in ourday-to-day life and how we see
the world, how we interact withit, how we approach our
relationships, things that weare doing with work and
everything, and so, yeah, I'mexcited to get into this
(07:39):
conversation and actually to goover some of our own personal
archetypes and how they show upin our world when we're we're
not feeling in balance withourselves.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, right, I think this is cool and the fact that
like, yes, each archetype has alight and dark and we can
experience both those extremes,like the fullness of the light
or the fullness of the dark, andwhere are you in that spectrum?
Right, and so I'm, I'm excitedfor the conversation, especially
(08:10):
now that I know, like, whatexactly we're talking about,
cause I'm like, okay, let me gograb my archetypal wheel the one
that's on me and I'll grab mybook, like I can get into things
, that's fine.
And um, and just recognizingthat this is yet another way of
self-exploration, self-awareness, understanding your own
personal development andspiritual journey, like that's
(08:34):
kind of the emphasis I feel likewhen we get into archetypes,
like that's what really comes to.
The comes forward is like whoam I, who do I want to be?
How can I utilize these innatearchetypes that are already
within me to their fullestpotential, so I can get the most
out of my life and spiritualjourney?
(08:54):
So how does that resonate?
Does that land?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's it, right there, absolutely, yeah, it
really does.
And just knowing that this issomething.
It is like you're saying, it'sself exploration, when the more
we know about ourselves, thebetter we can, you know,
approach life and and do thethings we want to do right,
because a lot of times it isit's our shadow self that's just
(09:19):
lurking.
It's right there and at anymoment we can just tip from the
light to the dark.
Right, we can get into those,be angry, act out, throw a fit,
do the things you know, sabotageyourself.
So that's all just a part ofthe human experience.
But when we know it, thatbrings in the awareness that we
need to say I'm kind of donewith that part of life and I'm
(09:42):
ready to be way more over herein my abundance.
You know, archetype, myabundance, energy and shadow
sometimes really can drain thatdrain.
It drains our energy, it drainsour life force, and so when
we're leaking everything andwe're not in our full potential
and our full empowerment, thisis a great way to look at it and
(10:02):
see if maybe this is apossibility of why that's
happening in your life.
So originally, archetypes wereintroduced by Carl Jung and his
introduction of it had to dowith the ego, the subconscious,
and everything that's going onbelow, beneath us, in our not in
our conscious awareness, right,right.
And so then, carolyn, Miss andDolores Cannon, they brought it
(10:25):
into the spiritual world, sothey took it more into the
perspective of these are ourspiritual guides, are part of
our spiritual team.
It is a subconscious thing, butonce you know it and understand
how it works in your 12 zodiacwill and it's all laid out for
you, it's so like, it's just soeye opening and it's definitely
(10:46):
a tool that I know that bothChristine and I use on a regular
basis, since it's come into,since it's come into, like, our
full awareness of like, oh shit,yeah, we could just in you can
see where people are and howthey're lining up in their
archetypes and whether in theshadow or the light.
So it really does help withyour, your relationships, right.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I you guys can't see me when, when Chantel's talking,
but I'm over here just gigglingand laughing because it's so
true.
It's so true that, like, yes, I, I look at my archetypes, I
look at my wheel and I can seehow they play out in such a big
way that, uh it, it's humorousto me at this point when I'm
(11:32):
like, oh yeah, I've done thatwork, oh yeah, that's showing up
now and to to to like feel intothe archetypes themselves and
really feel into does thisautomatically make me feel that
this archetype in and of itselfis a light, lighter archetype
versus a shadowier archetype?
Like it's the slave versus thequeen right, like they both have
(11:55):
their light and their darks,but slave just elicits like this
is a heavier archetype, rightversus a queen.
Most people, oh yeah, let's dothat Right.
Like the queen in herself andher empowerment can be really,
uh, you know, full of love andlight.
And there's like the dark sideof the queen where it's very, um
(12:17):
, she's self-righteous and sheis like really undermining
people.
And you know, like there'sdifferent ways that you can look
at every single archetype thatreally elicits the light and the
dark Right.
And when we understand thisaspect of ourselves in the light
and the dark and going.
How can I be in my highestalignment, the greatest version
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of who I am?
Because when we we work towardsthat, what happens in our
energy field is that it expands.
So even the light and the darkof each of these archetypes you
can think about, about it in aform of this is my fullest
expansion, my fullest loveexpression, or is it my, my fear
(13:01):
?
Is it the contraction that goinginward and not being the
fullness of who you are, thefullness of the grandest version
of who you are, your highestself, right?
And so it's really interestingto watch them play out in your
real life and going.
Okay, if this is in my, whichwheel of my archetype, and how
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does it play out?
To undermine me or to enhanceme, Right?
And so I think there's a lot oflike one.
Yes, we have free will, choiceand we, but it's so much easier
when we can make conscious,awareness choices of going.
Oh, I can see how this is soeasy for me to slip into because
it's part of my archetypes thatare so innate within me.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, yeah for sure.
So then it's like the shadowself is the wounded version of
ours, of us, right?
So, for example, like, well,first I want to say that in a
previous conversation about thearchetypes, we already went over
the four collective archetypes,so we're going to be focusing
on different ones, but the fourcollective that we all come in
with is the um, the victim, theprostitute, the saboteur, and
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then there are six childarchetypes, and so we connect to
one of them.
So that is the collective, andthen we have a total of 12.
So, individually, we also haveeight.
Okay, and so one of mine and Iput it down as one to talk about
is the rebel, right?
So we have, well, I have thewarrior.
So the warrior for me comes inin my 12th house, which is in
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Pisces, which is all aboutenergy, like it's the flow of
water, it's being in balance.
It's the yin and the yang,right, it's all of that, but
it's in in balance.
It's the yin and the yang,right, it's all of that.
But it's in my unconsciousness,in my unconscious self.
So when the warrior shows up,it's because there's something
underneath that is brewing in methat is not of the light yet.
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So when the warrior shows up,it's really to come in and to
take a stance and say this isnot working for.
So the warrior can come in andeither destroy, disrupt my world
, or can come in and createbalance for me by standing my
ground, by me voicing, by mebeing authentic, by me saying
and speaking my truth of what Ineed or, like I said, it can
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come in and be the shadow partof me and then just absolutely
come in and destroy everythingthat's going on.
Yeah, does that make sense?
And then going across is mywounded child, which makes
absolute sense, which?
So if my wounded child is beingtriggered, yeah, the warrior is
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going to come in to protect.
The warrior is going to come inand just destroy the things
that aren't working for me sothat my wounded child can feel
safe.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Okay, so let me, let me make sure I understood this
Right and so our listeners cantoo.
Yeah, am I hearing that right?
You looked at your.
You were looking at your 12thhouse and Pisces, where your
warrior is, and then you canlook across your chart, so
looking completely over to yoursixth house, and that that is
your, your child child, mywounded child.
(16:06):
Yeah, okay, I just wanted tomake sure.
Like so, if you don't know, um,from carolyn miss, she has kind
of crafted a way to look at thearchetypes using the 12th houses
, and each house in ourastrology charts represent
something.
So that is really what Chantelis speaking to.
Is like, okay, if you're in the, if you're in her 12th house of
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Pisces, it's like theunconscious space, this is where
her warrior resides.
And if she looks across thechart to her, to her sixth house
, that's where Virgo is and it'smore on like occupation, on
health and wellness, those typesof things, and that's where her
wounded child is residing.
And, understanding thisconnection of the two, the
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warrior wants to step up tosupport the wounded child,
absolutely, yeah, I just want tomake sure I got that right, yes
, Very good.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
And then when you look at so, when you brought up
occupation and health, right,and my wounded child is in my
health aspect, so alsoconnecting how my wounded child
can also manifest health issuesright.
So, and not that I have a lot,but the things that I have
endured in life, it's becausethat wounded child has been
(17:19):
pained and somewhere that energyhas been trapped in me and I
had to heal it in order for meto be physically healthy now.
So you take it all, it's notlike and this is what I like
about it there's so many layersto it.
But when you can connect allthe different elements of what's
going on with the archetypesand soul contracts and your
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health and your chakras, yourenergy, all of it, it really
puts.
It's like gathering all thepuzzle pieces and putting it
into that big picture.
And so this is just one part ofthe tool that can really like.
It just brings the full pictureforward so that we can really
connect with who we are.
And so another one is teacher.
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So I have teacher in myself-expression and that's in
Gemini, so that's my lifetime,but also in the things that are
in spirit, in our spiritualrealm of hey, did you know this
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and let's teach on that.
Let's get the you know theslideshow going, let's gather
the people, the class and allthat.
So my teacher, in my selfexpression, is very, it's just
always there.
I'm always ready to teachsomething, right?
Because?
So what do you have yourteacher in?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Cause I know you have teacher too right, I don't
actually have guide, guide,guide, and I have exorcist, I
have liberator, um, I have queen.
You know, those are like avisionary, obviously, yeah Right
, like.
So I definitely have some thatare more on that side, teacher,
(19:05):
like side.
You know, when I was justlooking at my, my chart here and
the one that is popping up tome, that one that's most, um,
I'm in awareness of in thismoment, is actually exorcist,
which is in my 10th house ofCapricorn and that kind of
resonates with your highestpotential.
(19:26):
The exorcist is also known asthe shaman and I, since I was
teaching this class last nighton basically how to do exorcisms
and demonic depossessions andhow to deal with possessions and
intrusive entities and likethis really heavy topic it was
(19:47):
it's really interesting to me to, to to like I left class
feeling so high like none of it.
There's, no, there was no fearfactor in it for me, because
this is part of who I am right,like, I don't fear the power of
it or fear the darkness, becauseit's like I know I'm just, I'm
(20:09):
just as or more powerful thanmore powerful than anything that
resides in those realms, and itwas really interesting.
So I pulled up the book justnow from Carolyn misses sacred
contracts, and I pulled up theexorcist just to see what their
her shadow version definition ofthe exorcist is the shadow
exorcist just to see what theirher shadow version definition of
the exorcist is.
The shadow exorcist attacks theevil and others without having
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the courage to face his owndemons.
That's awesome, I just feellike and this is this is what
we're talking about.
Like, even though it might be amore of a shadowy archetype,
there's still a shadow aspect ofit.
And how does it impact you?
So this is really interesting.
Like, okay, how in my life overthe years so maybe not in
(20:54):
recent years, but how have Idenied working on my own
internal demons?
And you know it was.
It was interesting because Iwent to like immediately after
class.
I went to a cacao ceremony anda static dance last night and
when I entered the room, like Iwas late because I had to teach
class.
(21:15):
And so there's probably 30people and they got a talking
stick and they're going aroundthe room as part of the cacao
ceremony and they're speaking towhat freedom means to them as
part of the cacao ceremony, andthey're speaking to what freedom
means to them.
And so here I am after talkingabout intrusive entities for the
last two hours and we'rethey're having this conversation
about freedom and likelistening to everyone's
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definitions and I'm only gettinga few because I came in late.
And so here's the talking tothem Like and this is who I am.
I was just teaching this classon on intrusive entities and you
can just see like everyone'shaving this really light,
lighter conversation.
I'm bringing in this heavytopic and just going like and I
feel amazing about it, like Ihad to like express also like
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how full I feel and when I'm inalignment with my archetype of
it's fullest expression, like Ifeel good, I feel expansive, I
feel in the love and lightenergy when I'm like speaking to
the highest role of myarchetype.
And I thought about I wassitting there going like I'm not
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super used to kind of the thecow ceremonies at least where we
are, it's kind of a free forall conversation about like
whatever is bubbling up.
And I had thought about, no,should I tell them like I've
been possessed before, I've I'vehad to fight my own demons,
like I like those things.
But it just felt too heavy forfor that audience last night and
(22:42):
to really recognize like, yeah,when I'm looking at here's the
shadow aspects of not face, nothaving the courage to face your
own demons, and how long I hadspent in my life of like not
willing to look at those dark,shadowy spaces and not willing
to face and fight my own demons,and what did those look like,
(23:04):
right.
And so I remember there was thispivotal point, point in my
education and my spiritualjourney where it was like I'm
just done, I'm just done withthe bullshit and I'm ready for
healing.
And that is what every personneeds when they are really ready
to fight their own demons.
Is they have to get to thatpoint of are really ready to
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fight their own demons?
Is they have to get to thatpoint of I'm not willing and
available to deal with this shitanymore?
And I remember that point in mylife when it came to my
spirituality and it feels kindof over and over again, partly
because my saboteur is in myninth house of spirituality,
Right.
So you know, I've got some likeinteresting connections there
where here's my saboteur messingwith my spiritual side and my
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guides and like that.
Like that's a whole other story, but like you can see how these
two houses, the ninth and 10thhouse are right next to each
other, and Sagittarius andCapricorn, which are both my
rising and moon signs, right, itmakes it even more potent that
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I'm dealing with the exorcistand the saboteur and how the
exorcist needs to really show upto combat that saboteur and its
highest and fullest potential,which is dealing with your own
personal demons.
Yes, right.
So I find it all, um, Iwouldn't say humorous, but I
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find it highly, I don't like Ialmost entertaining to look at
ourselves from this level ofawareness.
This, like bringing it intoconsciousness, makes it go.
Oh, I get it and I can see whenI dealt with my demons and how
things change and how I reallygot rid of the demons in my life
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, both physically, spiritually,mentally, emotionally, like on
all of the different levels,because that was happening in my
world, like on all of thedifferent levels, because that
was happening in my world, andto be able to, to step into the
highest potential of that, thelove side of this the exorcist
(25:18):
is really to be the shamanicpractitioner of really available
to help and support otherpeople with their, their stuff,
their heaviness, right.
So I just find it all veryinteresting.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
It really is.
And I think, as people, if you,if you are interested in this
and you you dive into this andyou want to learn about the
wheel and everything, you willfind that, yes, this is.
This can be to some, a littletriggering because it is working
with your shadow self and wehave to be truthful of, yes, is
the exorcist going to show up?
(25:47):
How is the saboteur going toshow up?
You know, for me I have a bullyarchetype.
That wasn't an easy one to takein, but I knew it was a part of
it.
You know, because as thewarrior, the bully, shows up,
it's like I could really standreally strong in my life in
certain seasons of my life whereI'm not going to get pushed
around.
So I will push back, you know.
(26:08):
And so when I had to sit withthat and then alchemize that in
more into the lover and havingcompassion and being able to
connect with people on a deeperlevel, it really changed my
whole world, my whole world,because I was like, yeah, I'm
going to, I'm going to show upas that warrior part of myself
(26:29):
to make sure that I feel safeand secure in where I'm at,
because I was dealing with somuch stuff in life that was not
safe and was not secure.
So then my archetypes areshowing up to say, okay, you
have the strength to get throughthis, let's do it Right.
But it doesn't always feel goodwhen you're pushing back with
people that you love or you'repushing back on things that you
want to to create and manifestand you're watching things fall
(26:51):
apart.
So this is really a bigeye-opener for us.
But when we can see it, it'slike, okay, I recognize that,
like what you're saying,christine, you're like I see it,
I need to alchemize this, Ineed to bring it forward, the
light version of this archetype,and through that is the healing
process.
And so it's like sometimes thisis a straight in your face kind
of chart, but when youunderstand it and you work with
(27:13):
it, it shifts everything around.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Well, and I think this comes to that point of like
you have to be ready to dealwith your shadows.
Exactly, yeah, you cannotapproach archetypes if you're
not ready for healing and notwilling to look at the stuff in
your life.
It very clearly organizesthings of what is in your
subconscious and we're going tobring it into your conscious
awareness.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, this is like radical accountability.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
That is it.
So you're taking radicalresponsibility for your life by
going wow, I do have anarchetype that's a bully.
Wow, I do have an archetypethat's the miser.
Wow, I do have an archetypethat's the slave.
What does that mean for me?
Right, like, how can I bearwitness to this aspect of who I
(28:04):
am and say what am Icontributing to the shadow
portion of this?
Right, because this is when wereally recognize the shadow
aspect and recognizing how doesthis play into our sabotaging,
self-sabotaging behaviors?
How are we mitigatingrelationships?
How are we mitigatingrelationships?
(28:24):
How are we interacting withothers?
Which archetype is beingembodied when I interact with
this person that can tell us somuch information?
Right, and I feel like, when weare being really brutally honest
with ourselves, you can'tapproach this, the, the, the
deck of archetypes, or even thebook of archetypes, and say,
it's, I'm just going to pick allof the good ones, all of like,
(28:47):
the quote unquote good ones, allof the love and light ones.
It doesn't work that way.
So you have to like, even whenyou're starting to come to like,
what are my archetypes?
How am I picking out my 12?
Like, you have four.
That's already prettypredetermined.
You know the, the the saboteur,the um the victim, the uh, the,
(29:12):
the the child.
And what's the fourth one?
I'm going to my forgetting?
Uh, victim, prostitute,prostitute, right.
So like you have those four.
So then you're really lookingat like, okay, here's the eight.
You need to go through all ofthe archetypes and Carol Mice
put out here 72 of them, right.
So you need to go through andreally tune into what are the
(29:36):
eight that resonate with me,right?
And so as you go through thedeck, you need to be really
honest with yourself or yourchart isn't going to come out,
right.
So, yeah, you've got to tuneinto your own energy.
You've got to like kind of tuneinto your own alignment and
being like I'm bringing in myhighest version, I'm willing to
(29:59):
do the shadow work, I'm willingto look at those dark spaces
within myself, to self-acceptthat I'm not perfect, I'm not
perfectly of the love and lightthere's, because that doesn't
exist.
We all have wounds, we all haveshadows, right.
So when we could go through all72 of those potential
(30:19):
archetypes and going thatdoesn't resonate, that doesn't
resonate, oh, that might be amaybe, right, we're going to put
that in the maybe pile.
And then you're like you gothrough and you're like I was
really resistant to having queen, I really didn't want queen,
right?
I remember, yeah, chantel waswith me and I was like I don't
want this card, like can't Ihave something else?
(30:43):
Can I have a similar one, butnot this one?
And the more I sat with it I'mlike, but that is who she is.
And you know it's funny becausewhen I was in my early twenties
, at midwifery school, theynicknamed me, nicknamed me queen
Christine.
You know, like there was sometruth to that.
I like that, um, I I don't havea problem sitting in my power
(31:08):
and delegating, like that isreally easy for me to do, and
that, how does that come off toothers?
I don't like that perceptionthat I'm better than other
people.
I don't like the perceptionthat I'm full of myself, like
and like that is my archetypeand you know what it's in my,
(31:28):
it's in my first house, which isego and personality.
And I'm like, like that is howpeople perceive me.
Is that I'm just self-righteousand like dictating how things
need to go?
Like I don't want to be viewedthat way.
Of course I don't.
Of course I don't.
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And what's the light side of it?
And how can I alchemize thoseshadowy aspects of it?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
right.
But then you can see what therole is yeah, for what queen,
and how queen shows up in yourlife and how queen is helping
you to live the path that you'rehere to do.
Your soul contracts right, like, in order to be able to run a
business like we're running anddoing what you're doing, you
have to have an archetype that'sgoing to stand in her truth and
(32:18):
her power and be able to guideand lead and be like visionary
as that's coming in.
So when you see it and I lovethat even before you knew of the
archetypes or that it wascoming in, that they were
already telling you that, yes,she was already showing up.
She's like I'm here, I'm likeup front and center, do you see
me?
And you were like no, no.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Can I be the goddess Like wouldn't that be so much
better.
Like I remember really tryingto hone in on something else
that was similar but not quiteis.
You will have this innerknowing.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You know what it is, even if you don't want it.
There's going to be yourintuition that's going to step
forward and say yeah, that's it,that's it.
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And it's through the charting,it's through the meditation.
It's going to the upper world,it's meeting your archetypes.
There's a whole process to it,but once you have it done, it's
like there it is.
It's one of the biggest toolsto use, because then you
absolutely know why you'reshowing up the way you're
showing up and how to changethat, those aspects of yourself,
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how to go from the shadow tothe light, how to bring in that
balance, how to do.
You know, do it all and it'sjust like there.
It is all written down on apiece of paper and it's like
well, shit, exactly.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Exactly shit, exactly Exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
It's like oh and it's so crowned, it's so so
perspective that you know whenwe're in our our lower, like you
know aspects of ourself.
Yeah, this might be somethingthat's like no, I don't want to
do that, but when you raiseyourself up to that higher
awareness and consciousness ofit, this is such an amazing way
(34:07):
to get through life and to dolife and to embrace it and
embody it in a very empoweredway.
Because I'm telling you, if thevictim shows up and she's
tapping at your door andeverything in you just is
victimized by life andeverything's happening against
me and why, and this and thatand all of it, and then you go,
you know what?
I'm no longer going to be thevictim of the situation.
(34:28):
I am now going to shift thatand she becomes the warrior of
your highest self.
So she's going to come in andbe like no more, I have my
boundaries, you set it foryourself, You're strong, You're
in your power and suddenly youdon't feel that victim anymore.
You see things for how they areand you don't let people push
(34:48):
you around anymore or situationsany of it Right.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I just I can see that Like I don't let people push me
around anymore, like thatphrase really stood out because
I I can sit on the throne of thequeen and be like I'm really
comfortable, like allowingpeople to do things for me.
Like I hate to even say itright, but it's true.
Like I remember when I wassuper broke, super like we were
(35:15):
straight up poor, and I had my,my baby, when my my last child,
who's now 12, when she was born,like we had nothing and I was
like can I teach someone Reikiso I can barter with them, so
they can clean my house?
Like I was like how can someonetake care, take care of all of
the things?
Um, and I don't actually haveto do it.
(35:39):
Like, and I'm still, and Istill have that, like those
little flavors, and like it'sthe self acceptance of like yeah
, this is, this is who I am, andI can strive to be the best
version of all of these aspects,but this is actually who I am.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah, right, because there are.
We need those shadow versionsof ourself to help us get
through the darker parts of life.
Right, because they do.
That is the warrior in us andthat's the one that's going to
give us the strength and powerto push ahead.
So, when we are strugglingfinancially, when we are feeling
like nothing is working out,when we are the single mom, the
(36:21):
single parent right, or whateverit is you're struggling with
your child, whatevercircumstance you're dealing with
, there is that side of us thatwe so strongly need that's going
to step forward and say I gotthis and I'm going to do it.
And then you pull up your bootsand you strap them on and you
go and you do it and you be thatintense warrior, that intense
(36:43):
one that's going to just the onethat's going to go and just
destroy to bring back thestrength and love and everything
that we need.
So we got to go out there anddo it.
But if we're always like we'rejust in love and light, we're
really not and then we're alsowearing masks to say like, oh, I
don't have anything, becausethere are people that try to be
(37:03):
like I don't have anythingnegative, I'm like you don't
know yourself then you knowcause.
If you can't see your ownshadows, you don't know yourself
.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Well, you're probably spiritually bypassing, so that
you yeah you're bypassing yourown life, your own self.
Well, and I think, like, what'sthe point of all of this, like
from a very crown chakra pointof view, if this is preordained
in some way?
We have come in with free willchoice to say, yes, these are
the archetypes, these are thesoul agreements, these are the
(37:35):
soul families I'm coming in withwith this personality, like
these subset of archetypes tosupport me in those life lessons
.
Mm-hmm, why fight it?
Why fight it?
We can alchemize it, we canwork with it, we can work within
it.
(37:55):
But there is no point ofdenying that we have a
prostitute.
We all have a prostitute.
There's always some aspect ofourselves that wants to have
this exchange of energy, of somecapacity, somewhere in some
part of our life.
Right, do you work for the manand exchange for a paycheck,
like whatever that is for youand going, bringing it into your
(38:20):
conscious awareness, lets youhave that.
It's just, it is.
It becomes self-awareness, itbecomes like you have better
opportunities to make free willchoices.
Right, when can act this way?
Or which is like common andfamiliar and on my patterns and
routines?
Or I can say I'm going tochoose the highest version of
(38:43):
expression of myself in thissituation and what does that
look like.
And so when we can slow down,recognize our shadows, recognize
our saboteur, recognize thatundermining nature within us
that is there for everyone, andgo.
I, because of my awareness, Inow have awareness of choice.
(39:07):
I can keep doing what I'm doingor I can make a new choice and
I can strive for the best lifepossible for me.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
And I love, like, what you said about why deny it?
Because there is no.
I mean, we can't live in therealm of denial all day long,
right, but there's not going tobe any growth, there's no change
there, there's none of that.
So it's like no denying it,it's we just need to.
Or I feel for myself anyway, Ijust came to a point where I
(39:38):
needed to accept it.
You know it was like no, okay,here it is.
Here's, here are some answersthat just resonated so strongly
and it's like now go live thelife with that, so you can be
the highest version of yourself.
And so, like what you'retalking about with your class
last night, what happens ifwe're always in our shadow and
we're not alchemizing it, we'renot healing them?
(39:59):
Then you start having thosereally dark shadow archetypes
and entities and attachments andall of those things that start
coming forward because you're inthe shadow.
So much right, and we justlabel it like oh, I'm depressed
or I'm in grief, I'm sad, I'mangry, but what is that?
That's us sitting in our shadowself and not trying to change
(40:22):
it, shift it, grow, evolve, anyof it, and then that just
welcomes in all the darkerenergies of our world.
Yeah, Right.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
So it's like how can we come to a space of, of, of
expansion, right?
And I think this is why, gosh, Ifeel like every single podcast
you all, all of our listeners,are probably annoyed by my
repetition here, but like yougot to work on yourself, people
Like it all comes down to youravailability to support yourself
(40:54):
and healing and be in thatexpansive state of energy Like
um, uh, and that's why we do somany like our last podcast that
came, came out on the tips forchakra healing Like this is what
we're talking about.
It's like how can we reallyunderstand where our energy is
(41:14):
stuck and where is it flowing?
Right?
Like all of these, all of thesedifferent concepts lead you to
the same place of spiritualgrowth, spiritual expansion, of
being your highest version ofwho you are, and when you are in
that expression, your highestversion of who you are, and when
you are in that expression,your energy abounds.
(41:35):
Your energy is an abundance,it's in prosperity, it's in flow
, it's in quote, unquote thevortex, it's in this state,
where, then, the synchronicitiescan show up, the blessings can
show up, the resources can showup, you can hold that desired
reality of what you want tocreate for your life and make
manifest it Right.
But if you have an underlyingshadow that you refuse to look
(41:57):
at, they're going to comesneakily around to like foul it
up.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah, they're, and they're really really good at it
.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Right, and the reason being is because when we ignore
it, when you resist, itpersists, right.
So when you don't look at it,it's going to show up until you
pay attention.
Whether this is coming throughhealth issues, whether this is
coming through emotionalproblems, whether this is like
in my case, oftentimes mysaboteur is in my house of
(42:27):
spirituality and, like my guides, are doing all kinds of stuff
like whatever it is for you.
When we can go, what's going onhere?
Like when I finally saw thesaboteur and my house of
spirituality, I'm like, oh well,that makes sense, I get that.
I can totally see that.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Right, yeah, see, my saboteur is in my home and yeah,
I see that I can absolutelydestroy my inner, like my
sanctuary, if I am not in mylove and light, if I'm not, if
I'm upset, if I'm angry.
And I've learned how to reallyheal that and control that, like
(43:05):
I know when to walk away.
Now I know how to walk away now.
That's what's so important.
It's not even that you can'tsay what you need to say, but
you've learned through thisprocess how to say what you need
to say, how to express yourself, because you have the awareness
.
Now it's like I'm not going tosabotage my home.
You know I'm not going to godestroy everything I got going
(43:26):
on because I'm mad.
You know, because if I'm angry,because I do have the warrior
and I do have the saboteur and Ihave all these things, these
archetypes in my will, that canbe really hot headed.
I can then go to the healer inmy Sagittarius and my
spirituality, which I amSagittarius and a fire sign to
the core of who I am.
So I can go to the healer ofwho I am now and say I need your
(43:48):
help because our archetypes areour allies when we work with
them.
Right, then their whole purposehere is to keep us on our
soul's journey and path, to keepus where we need to be, and
they will redirect us all thetime through the shadow, through
our own destruction of self.
So it's like they're going tokeep pushing us forward until we
(44:11):
get to that place of in anylevel of enlightenment of
ourself and say I can walk awayfrom that conversation and not
destroy you, because I know Ican with words.
You know, and then go.
I'm going to now I'm going togo and self punish and I'm going
to go be the victim because Isaid all the things I didn't
want to say and now I got to gobe the prostitute because I got
to go renegotiate the love andsomebody.
(44:32):
You know what I mean.
So when you see the patterns andhow they all work together,
you're just like, well, shit, orI can just stop it right here
and now and say I just need aminute, give me some time to go
process and then I'll come backand we'll be all right.
You know, and I'm not, I knowI'm not the only one out there
that has had to deal with angeror disappointment of people
(44:55):
Right or relationships we allhave, but we can all also be in
this space, like Christine and Iare talking about, where you do
that radical healing andawareness and you take the
responsibility of self and youcan shift it all and so, yeah,
it's just so powerful and I lovethat.
That's why we put on theclasses we do here, because it
(45:19):
is all about self-radicalhealing and awareness and
standing in your true self andraising up to whatever version
that is for you, absolutelyAmazing.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
I love it.
I love the piece when I learnedthat the saboteur can become the
magician.
Yes, right, like.
So when you completely alchemizeyour saboteur wherever you're
self-sabotaging in your life,the highest version of that is
to be the magician of that realmin your life, right, and so for
(45:51):
mine, being in the realm ofspirituality at my highest
potential, that is the magicianand spirituality Wow, the
manifestations that I've createdin my life when I'm in that
fullest expression, is amazing,right, and so I think the the,
the hope is that you recognizethat when we do the shadow work,
(46:15):
it's worth it, right, it'sworth it, like, let our lives be
that example, your, your hope,your inspiration.
Because it's like, yeah, we'vebeen through some shit and we
were willing to go into the dark, to look at all those places
and spaces within us and say I'mwilling to heal, I'm willing to
(46:36):
change, I'm willing toalchemize, I'm willing to do the
work so that when theseactivations, triggers whatever
you want to call them show up,you can take a moment before you
respond, instead of having aknee jerk reaction.
You go oh, there's thatsaboteur again, or whatever it
may be for you to go, I now havea choice.
(46:58):
I can have this automaticresponse, and that's a choice,
or I can make a new choice anddo something different.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah yeah.
And it does it that change.
You know, there there was aperiod of time where I could not
sit in my own space because mymind would take me to all the
places I didn't want to go andthink, and you know the memories
and everything.
And there was a period when myhusband was working away from
home and I literally took likewhat, seven, eight months of
(47:28):
where I was in silence in my ownhouse and that I mean, and that
was radical for me because tohave no background noise, I was
just in my thoughts.
Whatever I was doing, I juststayed in my thoughts.
That literally shifted so muchin my life because I was able to
get out of the memories Ididn't want to have.
I was able to be more in amindful state of thought and
(47:50):
emotion that it was reallypowerful.
And I don't go like you know,that was just my radical way of
healing the things that I neededto heal and that's not going to
work for everyone, but whenyou're ready to do it, the tools
are going to show up, theability to do it is going to
show up.
The time, the space, whateverit is.
It's like when the student isready, the teacher will show up.
(48:11):
However, that teacher iswhoever and whatever element it
is.
So just embracing that and youknow, I do want to say, if you
are, if this is something thatstrikes you and you're
interested and you do want todive deeper, I am going to be.
I'm hosting a um six weekmasterclass on alchemizing your
archetypes.
It starts on April 26th and soeach week we will be working
(48:38):
with the four collectivearchetypes.
So each week we will chart it,we will meditate, we will go to
the upper world.
I will lead you on a guidedmeditation to meet each
archetype.
So we'll start with the victim.
You'll be working with thevictim of self shadow and light,
both of it, for one week andthen the next week, when we come
(48:59):
back, we're going to work withthe saboteur.
You're going to see where it isin your chart because we're
going to be charting it.
You'll work with the saboteur,the prostitute, and then your
child, and so it's really sixweeks of working deep with your
four primary archetypes andseeing how you can shift your
life, alchemize that, bring morelight in, more balance, more
healing and have a greaterunderstanding of where you are.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Absolutely.
I'm so excited, absolutely.
So thank you so much forsharing.
It's going to be amazingopportunity to really dive into
the shadow aspects to heal.
So if you so much for sharing,it's going to be an amazing
opportunity to really dive intothe shadow aspects to heal.
So, if you are ready forhealing, I highly recommend
joining Chantel's archetypeclass.
It's going to be so good.
And for today, until next time,may you awaken to the whispers
(49:45):
of wisdom rising from within.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
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until next time, may you awakento the whispers of wisdom rising
from within.
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