Solstice, Shadow, And Sovereignty

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The darkest night can be the clearest mirror. We step into solstice energy to explore what it really means to shed, integrate, and choose sovereignty—moving from the snake’s inward season to the horse’s bold momentum. We show how simple ceremonies become a powerful container for release and renewal. Drawing on Inanna’s descent, we pass seven gates of letting go—judgment, rejection, persecution, betrayal, abandonment, fear, and doubt—until we meet the part of ourselves we’ve exiled. From there, integration is possible. We talk about becoming the observer in your healing so the body stops bracing, and how blacked-out memories can surface when capacity grows. 

In this episode, we explore:

🌕 Solstice rituals as containers for release and renewal
🌖 Snake to horse energetic shift and what it unlocks
🌗 Inanna’s descent as a map for shadow integration
🌘 Becoming the observer to regulate and heal 
🌑 Blacked-out memories, capacity, and consent with self
🌒 Holding space versus trauma dumping with clear asks
🌓 Simple embodiment tools to fill your own cup
🌔 New offerings: She Who Rises, Through The Veil, The Art of Holding Space Facilitator Training

This conversation is also a preview of what we’re building next: She Who Rises, a women’s tantra masterclass to awaken kundalini, balance inner masculine and feminine, and reclaim pleasure as a devotional practice; Through The Veil, a conscious grieving coaching circle that alchemizes loss into forward motion; and The Art of Holding Space, a multi-part facilitator training that centers communication, group dynamics, and somatic presence so you can blend your modalities and lead with confidence. The thread through it all is self-sourced wisdom—tools that help you root into Earth, love on our shadowy parts, and make clear choices from sovereignty, not urgency.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the podcast of
Moonrising Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Renee
and Chantel Ochoa as we dancebetween worlds of shamanism,
mysticism, and energy healing.
Each week we illuminate yourpath to self-sourced wisdom and
attune you to the whispers ofwisdom rising from within.

(00:24):
Welcome back to another episodeof Wisdom Rising.
I am your host, Christine Renee,and today I jump on this episode
with Chantel Ochoa as we discussour recent facilitations of
different solstice events.
We talk about how we are in thetransition of the year of the
snake to the horse in theChinese calendar, how this

(00:45):
really felt like an end of theyear process with the solstice,
and then moving intoconversations on conscious
healing of blacked-out memories,of becoming the observer in the
healing process, the differencesbetween how we hold space for
others versus trauma dumping andrecognizing patterns of why

(01:07):
living beliefs continue to showup again and again and how to
transmute them to continue tostep into your expansion.
We talk about choosing lovethrough choice and our many
upcoming offers in January of2026, including She Who Rises,
our five-week masterclass for awomen's group.
We have our conscious grieversgroup through the veil, which is

(01:33):
a monthly membership group withChantel Ochoa.
We have our first facilitatortraining that we're going to be
offering called The Art ofHolding Space, which is a
six-week intensive.
And that's going to be the firstin a three-part series.
You can take one or you can takeall.
And so we're really lookingforward to what 2026 has to

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offer our community.
And I hope you check out theshow notes for all of those
links.
And if you have any questions,please feel free to reach out to
me.
Thank you so much.
And we'll see you there.
We're going to jump right in.
I woke up this morning, like Italked to Chantel last night,
and I was like, we probablydon't need to do anything.
Let's just see how we feel.
I'm not really sure if I have atopic that's alive in me.

(02:16):
I and we have both been doingthese solstice in-person events.
We did a solstice event lastnight for our students.
And I woke up this morning andwas like, let's just talk about
solstice.
We just had solstice.
Solstice is upon us.
We are what the second day offfrom the darkest day of the
year.
So still definitely in thatenergy.

(02:38):
And so I thought it would benice just to come on, say hello,
and do a little check-in withall of you and check in with
Chantelle about how her amazingevents have been going.
And and yeah, I just um wantedto say hi to everyone.

SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
So hello.
Good morning, everyone, goodafternoon, good evening,
wherever you are.

SPEAKER_01 (02:57):
Right?
Yeah.
Well, and it's it was reallyinteresting because I was where
I'm at, I'm really on the 45thparallel of geographically where
I am.
And so I really have fourseasons available to me, really
prominent four seasons.
And you know, yesterday we wereon our call last night and we

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got off, and it was barely fiveo'clock my time.
And it it was dark out.
I mean, fully, fully dark out,stars out, dark out.
And I'm like, yeah, I I itreally is the darkest day of the
year.
And I love the meditations thatI'm doing for my different

(03:41):
solstice events because itreally is allowing so much
shedding to happen.
Right.
And so I'm curious what you dofor your solstice events.
I'd love to share what I do formy solstice events.
And if you are watching, ifyou're listening, I would love
to see what you are doing foryour solstice events.
If you've attended any, if youwish you did, what it would look

(04:05):
like.
Like I want to know all of thethings.

SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
So I um last night I didn't, well, I had class with
you, and then I kind of justhung out with family last night.
But at the center, they had theYule um celebration.
And so I caught up on somepictures with that, and they
look like they had a great time.
Um, I did New Moon the othernight, and that one was really
good, and taking them throughdifferent layers of self and um,

(04:32):
you know, that energy is allabout what are we claiming, what
are we bringing in, what do wedesire, it's abundance, it's
expansive energy, but it's alsoknowing that we're going through
different layers of with um withsolstice, with the end of the
year coming, with you know,we're in Sagittarius energy, the
the big talk of the year of thesnake is ending, and we're

(04:56):
moving into the year of thehorse.
And so there's just a lothappening right now out in the
spiritual community that peopleare um vibing on.
And so I kind of just beencollecting everything and and
bringing that to the table sothat those who don't know know,
and those who do can have anopen conversation about how
they're feeling and what they'reexperiencing with all these

(05:18):
different energies that aregoing on.

SPEAKER_01 (05:19):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like this is a big time for
transition, right?
Like there's yeah, and peopleare really feeling it.
And it's it was funny last nightwe were talking about the
transition between this from thesnake to the horse and how it's
a thing right now.
Like people are really focusingon it, and why is it alive for

(05:40):
so many people?
And I think that's the part thatI find really interesting,
right?
It's this it's a hot topic rightnow, it's a hot topic.
And why is it?
I feel like everyone in 2025have really felt the snake
energy of like I'm shedding myskin, I'm making things new, I'm
letting things go, and I'mfinding where I need to be still

(06:04):
and where I need to move slowlyor move in a different way than
I'm used to.
And then now we're we'reswitching energies to such a
much more motivated, almostpassionate, um, forceful
movement forward, right?
And and I'm like, well, this isreally this is really

(06:24):
interesting to watch what peopleget excited about, yeah.
And for sure, and then torecognize, well, is this alive
in me as well?
And how has a snake showed upfor me in 2025?
And it's really funny becauseright now, and in and for my my
solstice events, I had snakerings on, and you know, I'm

(06:45):
like, oh, it really is alive inme because all I have to do is
look down like, oh, there theythere she is, there's my snakes.
And I do have a power animalthat's a snake, and she has
given me so much, so much uhreason to reflect internally.
Like for her, my snake is hasbeen a burrowed snake for much

(07:08):
of my relationship with her.
Of like, when is it time to gounderground?
When is it time to rest?
When is it time to nestle youreggs and and keep watch?
Right.
And for me, that that was likerecognizing the snake energy and
realizing when does she want torise above that, right?

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Like when does she come out ofher burrow?
When does she go hunt?
When does she go take what sheneeds, right?
When does she have so muchgrowth that she sets her skin?
And in that shedding of theskin, you also are releasing
parasites.
Like this is what the snakeactually is doing.
It's sometimes they're notreleasing their skin because of
because they're growing.
Sometimes it's they're releasingskin because it's disease and

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parasites that they're lettinggo of.

SPEAKER_00 (07:56):
Oh, that part's interesting, right?
Yeah, and I'm fully resonatingwith that with because I too
have snake as one of my primarypower animals, but I have over
the last several months havebeen in creation mode and very
silent.
And that's not um that's notnatural to me.
I'm a talker, I'm a sharer, I'mlike, I got this happening and

(08:19):
this happening.
And over the last you know, fewmonths, I've been more
internalized.
I'm more um, like I said, increative mode.
I've been, you know, hangingwith my computer more and
creating and redoing my contentum within my own like um like
level ones and two and masterand all that.

(08:40):
And I just I feel like this partof me that has been quiet, like
you said, when you're likeprotecting the eggs, that's it.
It's I've been protecting myeggs and they're ready to start.
I'm ready to shed and I'm readyto expand and show what I've
been creating.
And um, one of them being mywebsite.
So I just posted that, butthere's been other things that

(09:02):
I'm doing in my personal life,my business here.
Like we're just in this growthmindset, but it's being done
like internally and quiet, and Ilove it.
Yeah, it's just so out ofcharacter for me.
So I I am, I'm really enjoyingit.

SPEAKER_01 (09:19):
That's where the growth is for you.
Like, where usually it might bemore of an external processing,
and now you're doing thisinternal reflection and really
recognizing what is needs to bebirthed forward.
And I think this is the otherthing.
Like today I woke up and I'mlike, I felt so alive.
Like, I feel like this is my newyear.

(09:41):
I know it's the holidays.
I know everyone might not be onthe same wavelength as me, but
I'm like, oh, and here we are.

SPEAKER_00 (09:49):
I just kind of feel like new year is is starting
early.
Yeah, it's kind of we've alreadydone Christmas.

SPEAKER_01 (09:57):
Yeah, we're good.
It feels like, okay, well, thesun is returning, the sun is
returning, the sun is returning,and and I feel that so readily
in me, you know.
Like I'm I am looking forward toto Christmas and New Year's and
having family around and havinga friend come visit and all

(10:18):
these things.
And yet energetically, I'm like,all right, I feel the year, it
kind of energetically feelscomplete and I'm ready to step
into, and now the light isreturning.
Like that energy is so awake.
And so for my um, I did a couplesolstice events.

(10:39):
I want to know about yours too.
Um, my well, and I think youtalked a little bit about it.
It felt like it was a littleaccumulation of lots of
different pieces that werehappening.
Like I can totally see it.
Like in my mind, I'm like, if ifChantelle was gonna do a mixed
ritual, I would have this andthis and this and this, and like
you pull it all together.

(10:59):
Is that what it was kind oflike?

SPEAKER_00 (11:01):
Yeah, there's different elements, definitely,
different tables, differentconversations, um, different
parts of the ceremony.
So we always do candles, wealways do like um typically I
have a table that has like fourdecks on it, and then they have
questions.
And it's pretty much the same,you know, month to month.
But the last few months I'vebeen spreading them out.

(11:22):
So people are now getting a listof questions, and they can go
and sit with a different deckand move around the room and be
intentional with themselves andbe in quiet and um go get their
answers and then come back andthen we share and um and open
that up.
And so it's really interestingwhen people are they have the

(11:43):
freedom to come in and be ableto release what they want to on
the altar.
They get to claim what theirwins are, and then they go get
to seek their answers and makeoils and candles and everything,
and they have things they takehome.
So it's actually it's reallycool, and I love watching them
because the emotions go they'reup and down, so it can be very

(12:05):
emotional, and then we're all inlike celebration, and and when
we go, we've there's afulfillment of that, yes.

SPEAKER_01 (12:12):
Well, and I love that um to watch your process
and the creation of it, right?
Thank you.
And like this co-creationprocess with source of how do I

(12:35):
want to put this togethertonight?
How do I want to do this event?
And seeing all of thesedifferent tools and all of the
different personalities and allof the different emotions, and
going, what if there werestations?
And you know, I it's not likeyou saw someone else do it and
be like, I'm doing it that way,right?

SPEAKER_00 (12:51):
Yeah, no, it's definitely it's a download I
receive pretty much the morningof, sometimes a couple days, but
it's the morning of that I'mlike, okay, today's new moon,
what are we doing?
And then I'll get something,I'll hear something, I'll see
something, and then that goes,there you are.
And it's not um, it literallycould be a couple words of
insight that says like elements.

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And then next thing I know, I'mlike, okay, we're working with
elements, and what does thatmean?
And then that creates a wholeceremony in itself.

SPEAKER_01 (13:20):
I I love it.
I love it because there's somuch availability for play, and
I love that it doesn't have tobe figured out a week in
advance, two weeks in advance, amonth in advance.
And that's what's I think oftenhard for creators who are
working and co-creating withsource, is that sometimes the

(13:41):
divine inspiration just hits andyou're like, okay, I'm doing the
thing, right?

SPEAKER_00 (13:45):
Yeah, and I think that's important because when we
get too much into the thestructure of it, then it becomes
work, and then there'sexpectations, and then there's
all this.
I mean, there's time and placefor that, yes.
But when you're in a space ofplay and fun, you know, and I
feel that's what ceremony is tome.
Yes, there's a seriousness to itbecause there's something we're

(14:08):
we're presenting, but thenthere's also that fun and play
with each other.
So go and do that.
And for me, it is it's justletting it come and and let
whatever is meant to show up,show up.
And that also means an alignmentwith the people that are coming
because they are the co-creatorsas well.
And I think we talked about thiseither personally or on on here,

(14:29):
but um, you know, I really dobelieve if it's a small intimate
group, that's because they arecreating that as well.
And if it's big and it's a fullhouse, they're creating that as
well.
So I just am open to theintimate as well as the big
expansive groups.

SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
That's why it's even hard forfor me to like try to figure out
what I want to do on the podcastin three weeks from now.
I'm like, I don't know.
I'm waiting for this theinspiration to hit me.
I can't I can't foresee whatthat's gonna look like.
I don't know where I'm going.
Like, I remember a wholedifferent person three weeks
from now.
Who knows?

(15:05):
And well, it was like, I thinkit was just a few weeks ago.
I've been really sitting in theenergy of um doing my tantra
facilitation, and we had endedR's and everyone wanted to know
what was next.
And I've got my in-person eventsfor my feminine activation
classes and for my red tents.

(15:26):
I feel like they're building,like the energy of growth is
there and they're wanting more.
And it was just like, oh, well,why don't I just do a five-week
masterclass for women only?
And we're gonna really dive in.
And it just kind of hit me, andit was like, and I think within
24 hours, I had had it up on thewebsite.

(15:46):
We haven't announced it yetbecause it's like we're on the
holidays, we're in the holidays,I don't want to overwhelm
anybody, but I'm like, she whorises is like the next thing
that's on my heart that I wantto share, and it's not the right
time yet.
So I'm kind of like trying towait, but like it's this um,
it's the energy that pulls meforward, right?

(16:08):
And so it's like I love doingthe things that are alive in me.
And I think right now it's likeI love figuring out how you
facilitate.
And I love talking to myboyfriend about facilitation and
how he facilitates.
I love watching otherfacilitators and going, well,
how did they do it that way, orwhy did they do it that way, or

(16:30):
wow, they really kind of missedthe mark there, or whatever it
may be.
Like I'm I watch with curiosityand really recognize what would
support them and helping themlift it up or create a more
sacred container, or what wordsthey're using, what's the
linguistic aspect of this, andhow do you pull that together?

(16:51):
So even though like you had allthese different stations that
people could go to, you arestill the authority in the room
that held this the container,held the space, right?
How do we do that?
So I've also been really kind ofin the process of like, I really
would love to teachfacilitation.
And so we've got our facilitatortraining coming up in the new

(17:13):
year as well.
And it's like, I want to helppeople, I want to support people
who have those piles ofcertifications and or have been
um trying to put the promotethemselves or have been on the
online space and they reallywant to do in-person things.
And like, how do they come intotheir own energy, their own
power, and really facilitate it,you know?

(17:37):
And so it's like I really loveall the things that are
percolating and it really feelslike I want to share it now, but
it's like, okay, I've got towait till Christmas is over.

SPEAKER_00 (17:47):
Yeah, so that's the snake that's still like
burrowing and still protecting,and then we will be shifting for
sure.
The momentum is coming, it'shere.
I'm waiting for the horse toarrive.

SPEAKER_01 (18:01):
Take me now.
I only have a couple weeks left,right?
A week and a half.
And you know, and I think partof my solstice journey was I've
been doing Inana's descent intothe underworlds.
And in that process, she has togo through these seven gates.
And the seven gates are aboutreleasing attachment, releasing

(18:24):
your stories, releasing yourtraumas, release, release,
release.
And ever when I I did the sameexact meditation a year ago on
Solstice, and I remember doingit in a space I wasn't usually
in, and really had just beenintroduced to Inana's story of

(18:48):
how her basically the story goesis Inana is the queen of heaven
and earth, and her sister is theuh the queen of the underworld,
and her husband had died and shewas grieving.
And so she wanted to, in hercompassion, travel to the

(19:08):
underworld to support hersister.
And but the gates are stillthere, and she still has to move
through all of these gates torelease her status, her social
status, her attachment to thecrown, attachment to these her

(19:29):
her position in society and theworld and the heavens, right?
And so here's this goddess whostrips everything to meet her
her sister.
And in that process, you know,the gates are the first gate is
judgment and she has to releaseher cloak.
The second gate is to releaserejection and she has to take

(19:50):
off her boots, the third gate isthe fear of prop persecution and
she has to take off her belt.
The fourth gate is of isbetrayal, fear like.
Letting go of betrayal andrelease her clothing.
So now she's like nude and shestill has her jewels.
And so the fifth gate, she hasto release her uh her fear of

(20:11):
abandonment and release hernecklace.
The sixth gate, she has torelease her fear of it all and
release all of her royal rings.
And she finally gets to theseventh gate where she has to
release her doubt and take offher crown.
And just in that process, here'sthe visual of like recognizing
to really honor all of yourselfand all of your parts and all of

(20:35):
who you are and all of yourstories.
You have to witness andrecognize how they're attached
to you.

SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (20:41):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (20:42):
Yeah.
And we did it last night, and itwas very powerful.

unknown (20:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
So I didn't.
Um, yeah, I went and I laid onthe couch and turned off my
camera and did it.
And it was very powerful.
And there was a lot that wasable I was able to release that
was connecting to conversationsthat I had just had.
And so it was.
And it was the releasing of thebelt is the one I was talking
about.
Was I felt that well, I felt thecoat.

(21:08):
And then when I got to the belt,it just felt like this expansion
that was created around my waistfrom letting that heaviness just
draw.

SPEAKER_01 (21:17):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not just releasing thislast year, it's like releasing
all of it.

SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
All of it.

SPEAKER_01 (21:25):
I am coming to a place of vulnerability with
myself and don't know what'sgoing to be behind that last
door when I enter into theunderworld of the journey.
Right.
And when she meets her hersister, when she meets her, her
other half, she reallyrecognizes this is the

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accumulation of all of mydarkness, all of my shadow
aspects, everything.
So she's vengeful and miserableand and like just like kind of
horrific, monstrous qualitiesthat it's like everything that
we push away from ourselves thatwe don't want to look at becomes

(22:07):
this aspect of our shadow.
And how can we, and all of ourin our nude in our vulnerability
and our acceptance that we'velet all these things go?
How can we embrace her?
How can we not reject heranymore?
How can how can we not abandonourselves anymore?
How can we not judge ourselves?
How can we just love all of thepieces, all of the parts, all

(22:30):
the way she looks, the way shemoves, the way like all of it
and merge with her to reallyrecognize that that is where we
find our internal peace?
Yeah, yeah.
Right?

SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
And it's a beautiful journey to go through.
And because in the end, you'rereally coming back to self.
Like you're saying, it'saccepting all the aspects of
ourselves.
And I think that we spend themajority of our time being our
life being pulled apart andfragmented from all of our
experiences and people'scomments and expectations and
everything.

(23:02):
So to get to a place where we'repulling all of that back in, and
you can say, I accept me for whoI am and how I am, with all my
flaws, with all my successes andeverything.
And that awareness is what helpsus to heal and helps us to stand
forward and step up to who wetruly are.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
Well, and I feel like this remembering process,
like hyphenate the word.
So we're we're not onlyremembering the story,
remembering those times in ourlife where we've been abandoned
or rejected, or you know, all ofthese things.
We we can remember the story,but we're remembering ourselves.

(23:44):
We are if we hyphenate the word,this is our soul's ability to
collect our fragments back, isin the storytelling, right?
And I find that this is a reallypowerful, very vulnerable
practice if you're doing withanother, where you're sharing
your story, you're sharing wherethings in your life where you

(24:08):
have dismissed part of yourselfbecause you don't want to look
at it again.
Right.
And so when we take a moment togo, this is why I have dismissed
and shoved down and beenrepulsed by whether my actions
or the abuse that I endured oror contributed to, like all of

(24:31):
it, like these are the placesthat I am turning away from.
And when we can turn forward andlean into your story, you're
collecting your soul fragmentsand and by doing so, you're
giving honor to all of who youare, even the bad parts.
Like, what if there were noquote unquote bad parts?

(24:53):
What if those pieces of you ledyou to be who you are today?
And so why are we why are wedismissing it?

unknown (25:01):
Why are we?

SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
Yeah, that goes for every, yeah, every experience
that we have that we we deem orwe label as a negative, but when
we search for that positive,you're gonna find it.
And even if it's just one spark,one seed, one something in the
big negative story, in the end,that seed will grow and expand
into something very beautifuland very expansive.

(25:24):
But we have to focus on that andgive it gratitude and nurture it
and water it.
But for the majority, we do, wetend to look at everything from
a negative lens, right?
And now we're like shifting it.
No, here we're like, no, we wanta positive outcome.
So let's create that positiveoutcome even through pain and

(25:44):
suffering.
Yes.
Well, I'm curious.

SPEAKER_01 (25:47):
I want to know your opinion on something.
Okay.
What do you think about umblacked-out memories?

SPEAKER_00 (25:55):
I think that's us really protecting ourselves.
And um yeah, I think it's just alayer of protection that we do.
And then when they start comingup, it's because we've healed
enough to let it start coming tothe surface.
And um, you know, and sometimesit's shocking when it does, but
I do think that we suppress itand just keep suppressing until

(26:20):
we're ready to see it for whatit is.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:23):
Yeah.
What about you?
Well, I've been thinking aboutlike blacked out memories quite
a bit lately because I am in aprocess of storytelling right
now and telling my relationshipstories and seeing the
reflection of how my son is andhis story.
Like he has a ton of blacked outmemories.

(26:44):
I have a lot of blacked-outmemories due to his father and
recognizing like there's a bitof fear of going, what what if I
remember something that I don'twant to see again?
What if, why can't I just bringthis one to my grave?
Like, I don't, I don't want togo digging for it, right?
And we talk about this a lotwith our students.

(27:05):
Like, there's no need to godigging because when you're
ready, when you're ready for thehealing, it will percolate to
the surface so that you canwitness it and support it and
love on it and do the things.
And there's I'm part of mypractice is actually I'm
actually like leaning in andgoing, what if I remembered
this?
What if I told my story andthings in the pieces that I do

(27:28):
remember unveil parts that I hadforgotten?
Right.
Yeah.
And going, I I'm ready for it.
I can trust the container inwhich I'm being held in.
We're doing this in a sacredway.

SPEAKER_00 (27:46):
And what would that feel like to reveal those parts
of myself that for whateverreason my subconscious was like,
nope, we're blocking that'swhere the conscious healing
really comes from, is is beingintentional with your healing
process and knowing, okay, thereare some things that I don't

(28:07):
want to remember or I chose toforget, right?
Consciously or unconsciously.
But when you take the initiativeand you set the intention and
you're doing it within thatcontainer and you're consciously
aware of it, then you become thewitness of what was versus being
attached to what happened,right?
So it's like you can see it fromthat bird's eye point of view.

(28:29):
You can see it from being likethe viewer, the observer, versus
being like it's happening to menow.
Because our mind doesn't knowhow to, you know, decipher is
this happening currently or isthis a past memory?
So the moment we go into panicmode over something that
happened 20 years ago, the brainis going to start releasing
certain chemicals.

(28:49):
It starts responding, ournervous system responds to it in
a way as if it's happening rightnow.
So when you take it the wayyou're talking about, you become
the observer.
So it's all there.
You get to receive theinformation and lesson from it,
but you don't have to have thephysical responses to it.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.

(29:10):
So it's way powerful.
I love being the observer.
I've learned to be the observerover the last few years, uh,
several years now, but um ittakes training to do, but when
you're there, it is so freakingpowerful because there is no
emotional attachment.
You just get to see it and yougo, okay, I can see why I do

(29:31):
this and that because of thatexperience.
And now I can change it.
I can shift that now withinmyself.
And is it a story that needs tobe told to anyone else, or is it
just a story that you need toknow for you?
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (29:43):
Yeah.
That that part too isinteresting of like as things
arise, like, am I keeping thosestories for myself?
Am I sharing them?
Who do I feel comfortablesharing them with?
How do I share?
You know, all of that is this.
Um, it's like opening that boxand kind of exploring what's

(30:05):
available.
And can we do it in a way that'sapproaching it in neutrality,
you know, not in fear, not inexcitement, but like if there's,
I feel like the the neutralityof it is where the calmness is.
And when we can come to it froma calm state of going, we'll see

(30:26):
what I feel like when I whensomething arises, and then I can
witness myself in that emotionand not judge it as right or
wrong.
I just there, right?
And it's that calmness that I'mlooking for.

SPEAKER_00 (30:40):
I used to be the one that had to go talk to everybody
about everything, like I saidearlier, right?
So now I'm in this place of likekeep it to your like be not keep
it to yourself, but I'm I'm moreprocessing internally.
So before I would have to go,no, no, no, no, no, and now I'm
like, if something comes up, Idon't feel the need to have to
even go have that conversation.

(31:00):
Now I just do everythingenergetically, unless it is
something that I do feel like,okay, that's a conversation I
can have.
But as energy workers, and youknow, knowing we can heal so
much just within ourselves,within our journey work, within
our meditations, our rituals.
And we don't need to go and talkit out because just because you

(31:23):
are at a level of awarenessdoesn't mean the person you're
gonna talk to is at that samelevel, right?
So you can go and talk to themthinking we're gonna have this
big aha moment of realizationand and forgiveness and
apologies and whatever.
And then you get there andthey're just like, you know,
they they're not at that samelevel, and suddenly the
expectation or the thoughts youthought we're gonna have doesn't

(31:45):
even happen.
So for me, I'm like, I'm good onthat.
I've been there too many times.

SPEAKER_01 (31:50):
So yeah, it is that's why like having real
clear understanding of whoyou're sharing with, where
they're at, and how it's beingheld, right?
So, like you can do so much workinternally and processing, and
what it's almost like a anexercise of partnership or of

(32:13):
trust to share those kind ofdeep intimate spaces, and who
are you sharing them with andhow did how does it unfold,
right?
So it's like telling the storyof like this is this is a um a
story where I feel a lot of myown self-rejection.
I hated the way I responded tothis, but I'm sharing it with

(32:34):
this person who it's not justanyone, it's kind of like you
need to be shown, like this iswhat you share with your
spiritual coach or with yourpartner who's at the same level
as you.
Like, you know, you want youdon't want to share it with
someone who's in their own dramaand now we're just tit for tat
sharing drama, like sharing uh,well, this happened to me and

(32:56):
then they one up you, you know,like that's that that's not
that's not what we're talkingabout.
It's it's like, but when youhave that I'm gonna love myself
no matter what shows up and whatemotions show up, and I trust
this person is gonna do thesame, it it it definitely is
uplifting in a way of like I'mI'm being I'm not only honoring

(33:19):
myself, now I have someone elsewho's gonna hold the story with
me and they're gonna honor metoo.

SPEAKER_00 (33:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:25):
Right.
And then if you're working witha like a spiritual coach, like
if you're working with Chantillyor myself, then it's like, well,
from that, what are the lessons?
What was the limiting beliefthat was born out of that?
How does it affect you in yourdaily life?
Do you want to continue holdingon to that internal messaging,
that internal programming, thatinternal script that's dictating

(33:48):
this outcome for your life?
And if you don't like thatoutcome, let's change it.

SPEAKER_00 (33:55):
I love that because our storyline is what are we
attached to?
That is a big part of how wewalk through life.
It's these stories that we'reattached to.
And we start unattaching tothose stories and stop
identifying yourself by them.
A whole new part of you gets toawaken.
And then you get to show updifferently, and then that's
where that authenticity startsto show up within ourselves

(34:18):
because we're not attached tothe past.
We get to focus on the now,moving into the future.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:25):
Yeah, it it reminds me too of the um cacao
ceremonies I either attend orfacilitate, where it's like
there's no need for um advice.
You know, we're not tellingothers what they should or
shouldn't be doing, or, youknow, it's just a witnessing of.
So everyone there in the room isexpected to be a witness, to be

(34:49):
an observer, and to hold spacefor the whoever is sharing
whatever story they're willingto share.
And just that like recognitionof like they're holding space
for me.
Yeah, there might be silentjudgment, but at the same time,
you're being heard without aoverwhelming like response of
and to like this is what youneed to do to make that

(35:11):
situation better.
Like, how often do we go to ourgirlfriend and be like, this is
the thing that's happening in mylife?
And they jump right in.
Well, you could do X, Y, and Zto fix it, or maybe you should
do this over here.
And like, it's justsolution-oriented conversations.
And a lot of times we don'taren't looking for that.
We're just looking to be likewitnessed and held and like

(35:33):
honored for this is the shittything that happened to me.
I'm not trying to fix it.
I recognize that this is a bitof a mess, and it's gonna I'll I
trust that it will be fine.
And I'm just sharing, right?

SPEAKER_00 (35:45):
So it's well, and I think it's important to also
come to the conversation withthat.
Like if you're gonna go traumadump on a friend, right?
First, ask them if they evenhave the capacity to hold space
for you for that, because theymight be going through something
that you're gonna trigger theirtrauma because they're
processing something that theyhaven't shared with you.

(36:06):
So, first open the conversationwith that, and then let them
know I'm not really looking forsolutions.
I'm listening, I'm looking forto be witnessed, to be heard, to
be seen.
And that way they know whattheir role in the conversation
is as well.
And we do, we all have the thesolution conversations and
friends and everything, butsometimes we also need to say, I

(36:28):
just need to be listened toright now.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And do you and can you hold itfor me?
Because I talk to a lot ofpeople that are like, oh my
gosh, so and so just did this.
They trauma dumped on me, andnow I feel heavy.
And I'm like, Well, did you evenhave space to hold that?
And they're like, No, I'm overhere, I've been sick, I've been

(36:48):
this, I've been that.
And I'm like, well, then youneed to say it so they
understand that they can't justcome trauma dump on you and and
then leave you hanging with alltheir baggage and go, okay, I
feel better.
Thank you.
They gotta go transmute and goclear in their space and their
energy.
That's not fair.
Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (37:09):
And I think that's where oftentimes you have these
conversations where you're notactually getting anywhere.
You're just you are, you're justtrauma dumping, right?
And then you both feel like shitafterwards because it didn't
actually help anything, right?
And so it's it's we have toactually come to come forward
and be like, this is what I'mavailable for, and this is what

(37:29):
I'm not.
You know, I'm not like, and whendo you make yourself available?
Like, and how do you set up yourconversations and your coffee
dates and whatever it is to go,this is what's this is what I'm
available for.
Like, I'm I would love to catchup and to see what's going on in
your life and and have a chat,and and you know, and that's

(37:50):
where it's at.
It's it can stay there versusI'm I'm actually going through a
really heavy thing right now,and I really need someone to
hold space for me.
That's a whole other thing.
Yeah, you know, and so it's likerecognizing where you are and
what you're what's ready to beshared, and how are we going to

(38:11):
share it and with whom?
Right?
Like we have to have thatself-awareness, so much of it is
self-awareness.
And and I always say thatawareness is the first step of
healing, right?
And and to be self-aware ishuge, and to recognize what
would support me in this, howcan I support others?

(38:33):
Is my cup full and I'moverflowing an availability to
help support others, or am Irunning on empty and I'm not
available to hold more withinme?
Like if you would have talked tome two weeks ago, and I'm sure
you could have a similar story.
Like two weeks, I had I had verybig, significant people in my
life going through really hardtimes.

(38:55):
And I only like I really onlyhave I was talking, I was taking
up hours of every day for over aweek, right?
Like I'm holding space for them,I'm holding space for them.
I couldn't take on yet anothermore people more dynamic than
that, right?
And so it's like recognizing howhow much and in those moments of

(39:19):
like I am holding space for alot of people.
How am I filling up my own cup?
How am I filling up my own cup?
What do I need to do for me so Ican continue to give to meet
these people in my life who Icare deeply about what they need
for me in this moment, knowingthat this is really like a
traumatic part of their life andI want to be there for them,

(39:40):
right?
This isn't I don't want to beavailable for them, and I need
them to go away and get afreaking counselor, like right,
knowing who who and what you'reavailable for is so so much of
it.
And I think a lot of times, asReiki practitioners or shamanic
practitioners or other healingmodalities.

(40:00):
We often give so much, right?
And we we don't know how toself-reflect on like what do I
need to do to maintain this?

SPEAKER_00 (40:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (40:10):
We had a burnout.

SPEAKER_00 (40:12):
And how often do you know with that as practitioners,
we all have tools, right?
That we offer everyone else.
And how often do we actuallyutilize our own tools, you know,
and and do our own work?
And and that's a big thing.
Like we as practitioners, wehave to fill up our own cup with
exactly the same things we'reoffering others, right?

(40:36):
And and take our own advice andwalk our own walk.
But the thing too is with whatyou're talking about, is also
with self-awareness.
Sometimes just going within andprocessing it, you'll realize I
don't actually need to take thisoutside of myself.
Yeah.
You know, the mind can createsuch a big storyline that you
feel in this panic mode, like Igotta go share this.

(40:58):
But the moment you kind of goback within you, the mind calms
down, everything calms down.
You realize actually it's not asbig as I thought it was.
Yeah.
That's a huge thing because thenwe can just release it, we can
let it go, we see it for what itis, and we're not trauma
dumping, and we're not creatingchaos within ourselves
unnecessarily, because our mindwants to latch on to things and

(41:22):
create a bigger story.
Right.
Now we've dropped into theheart.
Now we're in our higher heart,we're in our higher
consciousness and ofunderstanding, and that's
powerful.

SPEAKER_01 (41:32):
But I think that that in and of itself is like a
process too.
Yeah, it is.
Right?
The movement from I'm traumadopping to being self-aware to
processing internally to sharingmy story where it's I'm not, I'm
not triggered in it anymore.
Right?
Like it's all it's all veryinteresting, like the spectrum

(41:53):
of how we come to ourselves andcome to know ourselves and come
to love ourselves and honorourselves and support ourselves,
and what do we need, and and howdo we get what we need?
Are we manipulating the peoplein our life so that we can kind
of energetically take theirenergy to help fill in the holes

(42:13):
within ourselves?
Are we, you know, like there's Imean, we we see it, we we see it
in the com in the world of likehow are we energetically
exchanging and how are we?
And I think this is why when Ido my practice, like I do a lot
of yoni yoga and feminineactivation, it's like the whole

(42:36):
thing is like tapping into theearth source energy, and it's
very shamanic.
Like we're coming to the earthwho has an abundance of energy
that's willing to take andcompost our stuff for us, and
that we that compost energy,that alchemization process, then
we bring it up into our bodies,right?
That process, I don't needanother person to do it for me,

(42:58):
right?
How can we learn this forourselves?
How like that's one of thereasons why I'm so excited about
my upcoming five-week women'sclass because it's so much about
like we need to connect downinto the earth.
We have this an abundant sourceenergy beneath our feet that can
be our GPS, that can be ournourisher, that can be our space

(43:20):
holder.
And in that process, we'refilling our cup, and the
practices don't need to takethat long.
No, they don't.

SPEAKER_00 (43:28):
It's you it's literally like minutes.
Once you know how to do it andyou've practiced it within
yourself and you create your ownritual, it literally can be
minutes.

SPEAKER_01 (43:38):
Yeah, to shift into a different energy state, to
shift into that aligns.
I know who I am, I know what I'mavailable for, I know what I
need, I can take care of myself.
It's it's this space ofsovereignty, it's really
recognizing here I am, I'vearrived.
Yeah, right, yeah, and thenrecognizing every time that you

(44:01):
waver and going, crap, I'mwavering again.

SPEAKER_00 (44:04):
What do I do?
Why does that keep happening?
And then you recognize thepattern, and that's the point.
The point is recognize thepattern and the why.
Why did is that pattern evenexisting in you?
And once you know that, thatlimiting the belief that the
whatever experience you had, nowwe can go through like the chain
of command of emotions to let itgo or to embrace it, embody it,

(44:28):
whatever you have to do with it,right?
But again, it's thatself-awareness and how can we
expand within ourselves?
Yeah.
Because every day we're changinginto new people, good or bad,
right?
So it's a choice.
So you can take a uh situationand you can choose to let it um

(44:49):
like destroy you on some levels,or you can choose to let it grow
you.
And so either way, it's still achoice.
And every day we make thosechoices.
Yes, right.
And it's less than or betterthan.

SPEAKER_01 (45:02):
You have to recognize that there is a
choice, and I think that's wherethe sovereignty comes in from.
Like oftentimes, if you're inyour victimhood, you don't
recognize that you have achoice, you're just doing what
you have to do because you haveto do it because someone else
said it, or that's the programthat you're in.
And then you're in the blamegame, right?
There's when you're a victimthat you don't see the choice

(45:22):
before you.
And the moment that you rise outof that victimhood and be like,
everything is a choice.
I can show up today in thisenergy, I can show up today to
do this live, I can show uptoday and say, I am gonna get
that email out, or I can belike, fuck it, I don't want to.
You know, like it's a choice,it's a choice, it's a choice,
it's a choice of how we perceivethe world.

(45:45):
It's a choice to recognize thatwe have a history within
ourselves or within humanity oftrauma and going, and I still
choose to love, I still chooseto love me, I still choose to
love life, I still choose to beopen with how much love I have
in my heart, right?
Like it's a choice tocontinuously show up and share

(46:09):
your light with the world.

SPEAKER_00 (46:12):
There is that cause and effect, you know.
So we know when we make ourchoices, there will be an
effect, there's going to be anoutcome based off of whatever
decision we make.
So I think that's where, youknow, for people, for all of us
to understand is that when wemake the choice, it really is
the power's in our hands.
How do you want to show up inthe world?

(46:33):
How do you want to show up foryourself?
And so if you choose to go oneway, like, hey, I'm not gonna do
the email, but then now youmight feel regret.
You might feel, you know, like awhole different spectrum of
emotions because you didn't showup for yourself.
You feel like, oh, I didn't showup for my community.
All this stuff starts happening,the shame and the blame and

(46:53):
everything.
Or you say, you know what, I'mgonna take the few minutes to do
it, and you sit down and you doit, you feel creative, you feel
expansive, you let your lightout, and then suddenly it's all
said and done.
And then people are also vibingat that level with you, right?
So it's just taking that exampleand saying, Yes, how am I
showing up today?

SPEAKER_01 (47:13):
Right.
And I think that's why I I loveour soul rising program, is
because we're vibing at thislevel of self-accountability.

SPEAKER_00 (47:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (47:22):
People who join that program are ready, they are
ready for that shift, they'reready for I'm gonna, I'm ready
to look at it, I'm ready to takeresponsibility for it, I'm ready
to find the tools that are gonnahelp support me into a higher
alignment, an easier alignment,a more of a flow.
Like the people who come intoour programs are amazing because

(47:45):
they're they're hungry for thatthat self-accountability.

unknown (47:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:51):
Like I'm not the foundation for soul rising for
sure.

SPEAKER_01 (47:55):
Absolutely.
Right.
And so it's it's so often it'slike recognizing the way we
promote our offerings.
It's like, yeah, I'm gonna bethere for you.
I'm gonna be the mentor.
I'm gonna, if you have aquestion, I'm gonna hold space
and support you in it.
But the goal is so that you canlearn how to do that for

(48:15):
yourself.
Almost in any program that weoffer, that's kind of the
underlying tone.
It's like, by the end, you'regonna be in power to do this for
you.
You won't need the teacher, theguru, the mentor any longer
because you should you'll beable to self-source your wisdom.

SPEAKER_00 (48:32):
Yeah.
Because I was just thinking thatwhen you're explaining about
soul rising, it's the same thingwith yeah, all of our programs,
all of our programs, even thearchetypes.
It's like though they show youit's so radical the change that
people have because they seetheir victim, their saboteur,
they see it all, and thenthey're like, oh my gosh, it's
all me.
It's like, yes.
And once you can say it's me,that is, I'm the victim, I'm the

(48:56):
sabotage, the one sabotaging,I'm the one doing this, and
prostituting myself, it's myinner child that's taking
control of my life.
You know what?
Yes, then you can shifteverything, the whole mindset,
everything becomes different,and then the accountability
empowers you to then stepforward, and everything is a
change is changed.

(49:17):
And so, like you said, it's it'scoming back to that self-sourced
like wisdom and healing andbeing empowered, and through
these programs that we offer,that's absolutely what you
attain, yeah, as you come backto self.

SPEAKER_01 (49:31):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I I love that.
I love I love that that's that'sthe vibe.
That is the vibe, right?
That is the vibe, and so it'slike I feel like oftentimes,
like, yeah, we might not have 50people in a program.
Not that I would want that, butlike it's not a cheap program,
it's not like energeticallycheap because we're going to

(49:55):
command this level ofparticipation.
You know, we're we're we're inthis energy of commanding you to
take ownership.
And if you're not ready forthat, you're not ready for moon
rising.
Like, we really are in aposition of helping you reflect
within yourself of like, this isyour power, this is your truth,

(50:16):
this is who you are.
You just have to claim it.
And in that process of claimingit, we're shedding and shedding
and shedding.
And I think that's why I lovedthe solstice meditation so much,
the descendants of release,release, release, release, let
go, and then love all of you.
It's not just I'm naked now,I've let everything go, and now
I'm rising above.

(50:37):
No, no, no.
It's like, no, we have to acceptall of our parts.
We have to love on all of ourparts and accept ourselves fully
and completely and not deny whowe are.
And I just um yeah, I feel likeit was really reflective of my
own process, what I'm I've I myown, like what I get excited

(50:59):
about.
And um it's and it was it's justuh again and again again.
I find it really impactful forthe people who are vibing at
that level, right?

SPEAKER_00 (51:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I think we should we haveso much that that we have that's
coming forward.
Do we want to like a little bitof like what we do coming
forward?

SPEAKER_01 (51:22):
Yes, I'd love that.
So um I know I think the firstthing that's coming forward, I'm
pulling up my calendar.
We do have a lot, like I'm soexcited.
Like, I really feel like we havethis availability to really
shine our light when we don'tjust do what we think we have to

(51:44):
do.
I want to do what I'm excitedabout.
And so the first thing that Iwas really excited about
offering in the new year is thisprogram called She Who Rises,
and it is a women's tantraintroduction course.
And with that, there's so muchjuicy goodness in it because
we're we're going to go like anoverview of awakening that

(52:07):
kundalini energy, thefoundations of tantra, but also
looking deeper of going withineach of us, we have the sacred
masculine and feminine energies,right?
It's in us both, right?
And how do we honor that balanceand that dance between the two?
And how do we mature thatenergy, right?

(52:27):
And then sacred sexuality andreclaiming pleasure, and then
self-pleasure as a devotion, asa ritual, and how do we
integrate it all so that we canclaim that that sovereignty of
our sexual selves?
So that's my the the nextmasterclass that's coming up on
January 6th.
And then I'm trying to remember,I think then yours is coming

(52:49):
out, your conscious grievinggroup.

SPEAKER_00 (52:52):
Yeah.
So it's actually a coachingprogram support group for
grievers, for grievers who havelost loved ones, grievers who
have lost themselves, that youknow, so it's it's all layers.
And I see grief as it is layersof self, it's layers of loss.
And so it's not just honoringthose that we have that have

(53:14):
transitioned, but of ourself aswell.
And so this is it's through theveil, conscious grieving, um,
but it's more of set up like acoaching group.
And so um, you're gonna belearning all kinds of different
techniques.
We're gonna be doing, you know,you'll maybe it's all in like in
um through intuition.
So you might get cards, youmight get um some worksheet, you

(53:35):
we might get um we work on thegrief will versus the linear
grief.
Um, there's conversation,there's holding space.
There's so much that's gonnacome with it that is so
empowerable.
It's about being able to comeback out in our solar plexus and
to get back into life.

(53:55):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (53:56):
And that's the second and fourth Monday of the
month, right?

SPEAKER_00 (54:00):
So that's twice a month, and they can choose to
come once a month or twice amonth, right?

SPEAKER_01 (54:05):
And so that would be starting January 12th, because
that's the second Monday of themonth, and then January 26th.
Because it goes, she who rises,and we have our conscious
grievers group that's starting.
And I'm really excited to haveyou offering that because I know
it has something been on yourheart that you wanted to offer
for a long time, and I know thatyou have been doing it in
person, and we have had so manypeople in our community who say,

(54:28):
Yes, I want this.
Chantel, are you offering it?
It's now available for youstarting in January.
Super excited about that.

SPEAKER_00 (54:36):
And by online, in Zoom, private group, and it's
way more than any kind of griefsupport group.

SPEAKER_01 (54:42):
Like, this is not a grief support group.
And like, don't think of it thatway in your head because it's so
much more than that.
It's really a spiritual coachingatmosphere of how do you
alchemize and transform and andshift your grief into an energy
that's moving and flowing andprogressing you through your

(55:04):
life, right?
And honoring it all.

SPEAKER_00 (55:07):
Honoring it all.
Yeah.
Honoring it all.
Definitely not a grief coachthat's gonna let you just sit in
your grief.
I will be a motivator.
I motivate people to shift andto move and to see that there is
life beyond grief.
And that's that's power.
So that's that's what I bring tothe table is we're not gonna sit
in our grief and just talk aboutour grief week after week.

(55:28):
No, we're coming to the table tosay, this is what I experience.
And now I'm gonna take those andlike you said, alchemize that.
I get to stand in my own power,I get to understand why this is
happening in my life.
What are the contracts that Isigned up for that are bringing
this forward, right?
So it's really a soul-led, likesoul contract.

(55:50):
It brings everything together.

SPEAKER_01 (55:52):
Well, and I think that's why I mean, moon rising
and it's like mission, right?
Like, here we go again.
It's recognizing what are thepatterns in my life and how do I
shift into a higher version ofwho I am.
Yeah, right.
Not denying those parts.
It's the same thing with She WhoRises.
Here's a women's tantra practicegroup, right?

(56:14):
But it's about recognizing yourwomanhood, it's recognizing who
am I and what are the thingsthat have happened in my past,
whether that is sexual trauma,whether that is how you present
yourself, like all of thesethings.
And how do we recognize is thiswho I want to be?
Right?
How do I alchemize that energyso that I can rise up to the

(56:35):
fullness of who I am?
Right?
Right.
And so it's like these are thethings that we love to offer.
So we've got the consciousscrevers, we got she who rises,
and then it's the other thingthat I've been really called,
and you know, it's we're notoffering Soul Rising in January
this year.
We're actually offering all ofthese other things because what
we heard is so often was like, Iwant to learn how to facilitate,

(56:57):
I want to take my certificationsand put them into action.
I want to switch from beingonline to in person or to have a
hybrid of both.
How do I do that?
How do I hold space and reallyuse communication to help
support and facilitate a groupspace?
But if you look at the meaningof facilitator, it's to make it

(57:20):
easy, right?
So, how do you facilitateallowing this emotional
expression, allowing thisalchemization to occur, allowing
the transformation to happen,and as a facilitator, making it
easy for others to go on thatjourney with you, right?
There's so many reasons, like somany people who have come to me
on the like the women's classwho's like, I would have never

(57:42):
done this on my own.
I couldn't make these sounds ormove my body this way or
whatever.
If you sent me a video, I don'tknow if I would have done it.

SPEAKER_00 (57:52):
Right.
Yeah.
So some people we need to havethe mentor that shows up, yeah,
but also that can teach it.
And that's what the facilitatorprogram is about.
Yeah.
It's teaching you how now to goand facilitate your services,
your offerings.

SPEAKER_01 (58:06):
So learning how to facilitate meditation, learning
how to recognize the group'senergy and really making sure
everyone has an equalopportunity to share their
voice.
It's to really recognize as bigemotions arise, how do you not
only hold space for that, buthow do you bring it to into a

(58:28):
process to allow them to shiftand transform it?
Right.
And so there's going to be a lotof communication skills.
That that's the focus of thisfacilitation is how do you use
your communication to elicit anemotional response, to elicit a
diver deep into oneself toreally allow people to feel like

(58:51):
they are safe to express or tofeel or to move or whatever the
group's intention is, right?
So that we're going to be doingthese facilitator deep dives.
These are six-week intensives.
And so this one is going to havepracticums, it's going to have
the business coaching, it'sgoing to have the facilitator
training.

(59:11):
And this is just going to be thefirst six weeks.
Then there's going to be twoother facilitation trainers
later on in the spring that'sgoing to dive into different
different aspects offacilitation.
So if you're like, I really needto work on the communication
skills and how do I do that?
This is the one for you, versusthe next one where it's going to
be more on how do you create theaesthetic?

(59:33):
How do you create the visualeffect?
How do you present yourself?
How do you create the ritualsand ceremonies so that the thing
inside of it can occur?
Right.
And so we're kind of going,we're kind of going from the
inside out.
So we're going to start thefirst six weeks as like going

(59:53):
into the communication of how dowe understand the dialogue and
how do we really trustourselves.
That we can allow things to showup.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:05):
So important because as practitioners, we need to
trust in ourselves that we havethe skill set to even step
forward and do it.
Because I believe if it's onyour heart, there's a reason for
that, right?
It's for you to pull thatforward and whatever capacity
that is, but we have to trustthat we can.
We have to believe in ourselves.
Right.
And that's the first six weeksis just believing in yourself.

(01:00:29):
You can do this.
And then we go into ceremony.
Yeah.
Now we're showing up for them tocome and sit in circle and sit
in ceremony and sit in ritual.
And how do you facilitate that?
Yeah.
And then the third part, I lovethis one too, is about as a
practitioner, how do you createyour spaces?
You're in like your room, yourhealing space, right?

(01:00:51):
How do you sit across from yourclients and communicate with
them?
How are you the hollow bone tobe able to not be in triggered
by their aspects and whatthey're going through, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:04):
Yeah.
And really that third one willalso have a focus more on how do
you create your own business,your own series of facilitated
events?
What are those events going tobe?
And everyone could be different.
Like if you're you have abackground in hypnosis or you
have a background in Reiki, ifyou have a background in fill in

(01:01:26):
the blank, how do you createfrom all of your certifications?
How do you blend those togetherto really show up?
And this is who I am, and thisis why I am offering X, Y, and Z
and how it's all going to cometogether.
It's not segmenting, segmentingyourself.
Like I was, I was saying thismorning to my boyfriend, like,
well, I'm a I'm a shamanic Reikipractitioner and trainer, I'm a

(01:01:49):
spiritual coach, I'm a sexualityfacilitator.
I'm like naming off mycertificates and they go on and
on and on.
Like I can do all this, but whatdo I offer?
How do those come and blendtogether in an offering?
Right.
Because I think there are somany people out there that have
are stuck in that certificatecollection phase.

(01:02:10):
And it's like, when are yougoing to get on with it?

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:13):
Well, and I think there's a fear that people have
about merging all of theirmodalities together.
And here it's like celebratethat you have been guided to
learn so much.
And how can you take all of thatwisdom and knowledge now and
offer it?
Right.
And not think, oh, I can onlyfocus on hypnosis, I can only

(01:02:34):
focus on breath work or reiki.
No, merge them all togetherbecause that's where we're at.
We're all coming to the spacenow of bringing it to the table.
All of it, all of you.
Show up, all of you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:46):
And you, uniquely, you is what gives you your edge
and and in the spiritual space.
Like, I don't want a cookiecutter version of me out there.
I we don't need that.
I'm me.
You be you.
You be all of you.
And so we're gonna be doing ourso we just to review we've got

(01:03:07):
she who rises the women'ssexuality change transformation
journey for five weeks.
We got the conscious grievers,which is gonna be an ongoing,
hopefully year-round umconscious grievers group with
Chantel.
And then we have our facilitatortraining.
Information will be availablesoon on how to sign up for

(01:03:27):
those.
If you have any questions in themeantime, please let us know and
check out the show notes for allof the information and links.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:36):
And there's still more coming.
We're still like creating,there's still so much that is
happening.
So, yeah, these are just newthings that we're offering right
now because this is where we areputting our focus on.
And so let us know what you arelooking for as well.
What do you need?
Where are do you need supportat?
So we know what to bring to thetable.

(01:03:57):
Yeah, absolutely.
Especially as we're building ourfacilitators program.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:03):
Right, for sure.
And it's kind of this umrecognition that, like, if
there's people out there whowant to learn how to shamanic
journey, if there's people outthere that want to learn psychic
protection, like we've got we'vegot some mad skills over here at
Moon Rising.
We'd love to offer those again,you know.
So um whenever, whenever,whenever we we have that call

(01:04:27):
from you, we're gonna meet thoserequests.
That's how the what we're doingnow have come to be.
We wouldn't have a consciousgrievers group has it if it
wasn't for our audience who'sasked for it.
We wouldn't have She Who Risesif we haven't had audience who
requested it.
We wouldn't have a facilitatortraining unless you requested
it.
And I love creating from thatmodel.

(01:04:49):
I'm very much a um a generator.
What is that from human design?
Like you call, you ask, I'mgonna show up for that and I'm
gonna generate the thing.
I'm like, yeah, I got a coursefor you, I've got a program for
you, I've got a one-on-onesession perfect for that, you
know, whatever it is.
It's like I want to meet yourenergy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:08):
Yeah.
And we're also at the beginningof the year gonna have links so
you can just purchase and buy atyour own pace.
So there's there's other thingsif you don't want to be in
class, but you still need to,you want to learn, you're still
seeking, you know.
We're we're gonna have that too.
So absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:25):
I'm so excited.
Well, happy solstice, everyone.
Merry Christmas.
I hope you enjoy the holidays.
We will be back on before thenew year, and I wish everyone a
beautiful week of however youare celebrating the holidays.
Happy Hanukkah.
Like, I know there's so manythings going on right now.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:45):
There is.
It's good.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:48):
Absolutely.
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