October 6, 2025 • 54 mins
Sometimes a quiet nudge changes everything. In this heartfelt episode, Isabel shares her decision to step away from her leadership role at Moon Rising and follow the intuitive call toward a new vision — Gateway House of Healing.
Joined by Shantel, we open an honest conversation about what it means to trust your intuition, honor change before things “get bad,” and move through transitions with grace and alignment.
✨ In this episode, we explore:
- Choosing alignment before crisis
- Listening when your intuition whispers “it’s time” (and taking the leap)
- Letting your nervous system guide sustainable change
- Fear as a threshold, not a stop sign
- Isabel's five-year-old vision resurfacing through a Shamanic quest
- Integrating shamanism, psychology, and somatics for lasting transformation
- The magic of synchronicity (including a long-lost ring that reappears 💍)
- Signs that your alignment is returning
- Gratitude for Moon Rising and what's next for Isabel
If you’re standing at a crossroads or sensing your own shift, this episode offers permission to trust your intuition and a grounded map to move forward: Regulate first, listen deeply, and act from your values.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:04):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
Isabel Wells, and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.
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Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy healing, andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom.
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners, we are
here to help you acknowledge,reconcile, and balance your
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energy so that you can awaken tothe whispers of wisdom rising
from within.
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I've decided to step away topursue the visions and the
dreams that my intuition has instore for me.
And so today's episode isdedicated to telling you the
story of how I came to thisdecision, the importance that I
have really been feeling in myown life of listening to your
intuition, balancing yournervous system, tuning into your
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values, and just trusting thatthe visions and the dreams that
were given and the signs thatwere given by the universe are
not accidental.
They're very purposeful.
And so I hope that this episodeshines light on the decision
that I made and inspires you tolisten to your own intuition, to
take the leap, to do the thing,even if your mind is scared or
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unsure, and trust that theuniverse is there to support
you.
So in today's episode, Chanteland I talk about making
decisions with your intuition,what inspired me to make this
change, reflecting on the lastsix years of my time with Moon
Rising, as well as what I seefor the future, the things that
are really lighting my soul onfire, the vision that the
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universe gave me almost fiveyears ago that is finally coming
to life, and so much more.
So I'm really excited to sharethis episode with you, to share
more about where I'm at in myjourney and invite you to
continue to join me and walkwith me.
So as you'll hear me share atthe end of the episode, I'm so
excited to be transitioning intofocusing more on my personal
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business company and communitycalled Gateway House of Healing.
This company has been in theworks for over five years, as
you'll hear in today's episode.
And if you're wanting tocontinue to follow along with me
to hear more about my journey,see how this intuitive decision
plays out, and continue to hearfrom me, my writings, my voice,
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I will leave the link to thewebsite in the show notes so
that you can join the newsletterand stay up to date on what's
happening next.
And of course, be sure to joinus on the podcast next week when
we'll be coming together allthree, Christine, Chantel, and
myself for a group celebrationof the incredible time that we
have shared together here atMoon Rising, as well as what's
to come next.
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So we'll be sharing that on thepodcast next week.
And if you're listening to thisthe week that it releases, the
week of October 6th, 2025, knowthat Chantel's Soul Contracts
and Archetypes Masterclass isstill enrolling and it starts on
Thursday, October 9th.
There are a few spaces left, andit's going to be an absolutely
incredible class.
So if you're interested inlearning more about soul
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contracts, about the spiritualarchetypes, about how you can
alchemize those and use them tobecome a conscious participant
in your life, how you can growthrough them with vision, power,
and grace and learn how toanchor into your clarity, your
purpose, and your spiritualalignment.
This is a fantastic class.
It's an eight-week classstarting on Thursday, October
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9th.
And like I said, I'll put thatlink in the show notes so that
you can learn more and enrollnow if it feels like a fit.
In the meantime, I really hopethat you enjoy today's episode.
I hope to see you in the MoonRising Shamanic Mystics Facebook
community over the next twoweeks.
I'll be officially transitioningaway on Friday, October 17th.
But of course, I'll still bepresent in the group.
And I would love to see you inthe Gateway House of Healing
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private Facebook group as wellso we can stay connected.
The links to the Gateway Houseof Healing website, the Facebook
group, our Moon Rising ShamanicMystics Facebook group,
Chantelle's Masterclass, and somuch more are in the show notes.
But without further ado, let'sdive in to today's episode.
Welcome, welcome back to anotheramazing conversation.
I am so excited to be joinedwith Chantelle Ochoa for today's
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conversation.
We are diving into how ourvalues, our intuition, our
nervous systems can help us makereally big decisions.
And I'm sharing a really bigannouncement and decision of my
own with you all on today'sconversation.
So before we jump in, Chantel,thanks for being on with me
today.
SPEAKER_02 (05:21):
Thank you.
I'm so honored and happy to behere and holding space for our
viewers, for ourselves, for theenergy of the day, and just
clearing away what needs to becleared.
Absolutely.
Bringing in really beautifulintentions and conversation.
And this is, I really do um likewhat our conversation is today
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because I've been really fillinginto my own intuition a lot
lately.
And so it's very umsynchronistic as far as what
we're we're talking about andchanges and that's on the
horizon.
And yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think you know it'sinteresting because you're not
the first person that I'vetalked to who's felt that same
kind of draw back to theirintuitions.
And I think we're just inwhether it was the eclipse
season or it's been your wholeyear, there are just so many
people that I've talked to whoare feeling the almost chaos
that this year has had.
I know that I've been feeling itand are really feeling that
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longing for something that feelsa little more grounded, for that
clarity that can come when wecan connect to our intuition.
But there's also so much fearhappening within that, and the
fear of, well, what happens if Ido that?
And how do I make the decision?
And what if I make the wrongone?
And all of those kinds ofthings.
And so when we originally setthe idea for this conversation,
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that was what this was born outof.
And over the last few weeks, inmy life, it's really
transitioned into something somuch more.
So before we dive into all ofthe ins and outs of this
conversation and why it's soimportant, I do just want to
share the foundation for whatthis conversation has become.
And that is a really excitingand very big change and
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transformation and announcementfor both myself and for
Moonrising.
And that is that I have decidedto step down from my role as
director with Moon Rising and tokind of go off on my own path
and explore new things.
There have been so manyincredible moments during my
time with Moonrising and alsoleading up to this decision and
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so many incredible journeys andsigns and tuning in with my
intuition and receiving supportfrom my team and all of these
things that have really cometogether and made this topic so
much more potent for me.
So today's conversation reallyhas kind of become a blend of
knowing how to lean into ourintuition and sharing why I
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think that's so important, butalso a little bit of my kind of
final love letter to thecommunity as I step away and
transition into something new.
So that is what we have fulltransparency right from right
from the top.
And I really want to say thatpart of the reason that we're
we're showing up and we'rehaving this conversation and
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we're holding it in thecontainer of your values and
your intuition and your nervoussystem and all of this is
because I really do firmlybelieve that we are in a world
right now that is starving forthat authenticity, that's
starving for that connection,that's starving for that kind of
bravery to really follow yourintuition, even if it tells you
to do something that can reallyscare your mind or feel really
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big or really overwhelming.
And when I started getting thesigns and the idea that maybe it
was time to move on and see whatwas next, there was so much fear
in my head, right?
All of the stories of, well,what if I make the wrong
decision or what if it's not theright time, or all of these
things that come up for everyonewhen we have to make a big
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decision, right?
And I remember thinking, I wishthat I had somebody who had done
something like this to show mymind that it's gonna be okay.
Like if you make the bigdecision, if you follow your
intuition, if you trust theintuitive knowing side of you
over the logical mental side ofyou that things work out.
And I want to be that person.
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You know what I mean?
I just had that realization oflike, I don't have that person
in my life.
And I wish I did.
And so I want to be that personfor all of the people who need
somebody to look at and say,well, what does happen if we
follow our intuition?
What does happen if we trust ourgut instinct?
What does happen if we decide tolive a life that feels in
alignment with what we want,with our visions?
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What happens if we do go afterour goals?
And does it turn out okay?
And so I really want to holdthat up, not as this like, ah,
look at me and what I'm doing,but really as this like, this is
what this community is for, youknow, taking the leap, tuning
into our intuition, trusting ourguides, trusting that life gets
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to be magical and showing up foreach other as we do it.
And so just from the start ofit, I just want to say that I am
I'm so incredibly grateful foreverything that that the
community has to offer, all ofthe incredible people that are
here, all of the incrediblewisdom and support that comes
through.
And knowing that hopefully youget some of the background today
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of what led into this, what wehave envisioned for what's
coming next.
And of course, next week we'llall be coming together as a team
here on the podcast tocelebrate, to reflect, to just
be together in the lovely energyof transition that I know so
many people are are experiencingin their own lives after this
eclipse season, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (10:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (10:48):
I'm just I'm cute, what yeah, just filling into it
all and for next week.
But um what are you excitedabout?
Like, what are you reallylooking forward to right now?
Like as as you're now makingthis announcement and you can
now be stepping into your ownenergy and into your own
business and whatever is comingforward for you.
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Like, what are you lookingforward to?
SPEAKER_00 (11:10):
Oh, I love that question.
Uh you know, it's interesting.
I I think I've mentioned it.
No, I haven't.
I haven't ever talked about ithere on the show.
In 2020, I was sitting in ahistory class and not paying
attention like I should havebeen, but I was sitting in a
history class and I had thisvision, this logo popped in my
head, this name, this idea, andI wrote it down and I have the
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sketch on my wall right now.
And it was just this reallybeautiful, almost fully formed
idea that Spirit just kind ofplopped into my head for the
book that I wanted to write andthe things that I wanted to talk
about and the courses that Iwanted to teach and the kind of
community that I was gonnacreate down the line.
And of course, in my head, I wasthinking this was, you know, 15,
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20, 30 years down the road.
And this year, there have justbeen so many, so many things in
my personal life that haveeither fallen away or fallen
into place.
And that vision that I had fiveyears ago has just really
naturally unfolded and kind ofbeen plopped back in my lap as
this reminder.
I even happened upon the sketchearlier this year before I was
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even thinking that, oh, maybenow's the time to bring it to
life.
And what I really think lookingback kind of started all this.
Last January, I did a shamanicvision quest.
And this idea that I hadreceived in 2020 for Gateway
House of Healing, thiscommunity, this kind of entity
that I wanted to create wasreally at the center of that
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vision quest.
And again, when I went on thevision quest, it was all very in
the future.
It's gonna happen at some point.
You're just walking the path.
And and this year, it's beenincredible to see how so many
elements from that vision questhave fallen into place and just
become so clear that the time isnow.
And and I'm I really am just soexcited for it.
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It has been absolutelyfascinating, I think, to see how
my life has shifted since Istarted working with what was
Reiki Cafe and is now Moonrisingand now moving into Gateway
because who I am has shifted somuch.
And Christine and I always jokethat my life is kind of like a
mosaic.
Like there's just so manydifferent random pieces of
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things that I do and who I am.
And there were so many yearswhere who I was was really
deeply embedded in teaching andin sharing this work and
teaching others how to shamanicjourney and teaching others how
to connect with the chakras.
And over the last year, that joyand that passion has really
shifted more into working withpeople one-on-one, holding those
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really sacred containers, butalso into writing, to be honest
with you.
And and the way that I'm settingup things in in this new area of
life, it's really exciting tosee that there's a container
where that passion can get tocome to life and that next
little piece of the mosaic canclick into place.
And so I really am, honestly, ifI'm if I'm being totally honest.
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Of course, I'm excited aboutwhat I'm gonna teach next and
the people I'm gonna work withand all of that.
But I'm I'm really excited aboutwriting at this, at this stage.
And and I'm planning on having alike a substack, a weekly
personal essay column that willeventually become a book.
And I've got two other bookideas that I've been working on,
and and writing has really justbeen the place that my soul has
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been on fire lately.
And I'm really excited to havemore time to devote to that and
see what comes through becauseof it.
SPEAKER_02 (14:34):
That's really exciting, actually.
Because you are a great writer.
So it's like being able forthose of us who have may have
books in our head, but we don'thave all the skill set to put it
on paper, you know, it's it'sgreat to see that you're able to
follow that passion and to doit, you know, because I think
there are so many stories to putdown, and you have a lot of
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wisdom to do that.
So that's really great.
And so your new business comingforward is Gateway?
SPEAKER_00 (15:03):
Yes.
So it's it's gonna be calledGateway House of Healing.
And like I said, I've had I'vehad this idea in my head for
five years, you know, I've hadfive years to think about what
would I want it to be like andwhat colors and what logo and
what kind of things do I want tooffer and how do I want to set
it up?
And and I'm just I I'm reallyprofoundly grateful for
everything that Reiki Cafe andMoonrising taught me because I
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feel like it's really set anincredible foundation for skills
and knowledge and wisdom thatI'm now able to kind of take
into this next phase and seewhat's happening.
And and it's it's really, it'sbeen really a wild ride, you
guys, because if anybody elsehas experienced the crazy
eclipse energy lately, I thinkthat you can understand the
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feeling of just intensetransition that we've all kind
of found ourselves in, you know,and and Moon Rising has been
that way too, you know, we'vebeen in a really big period of
transition this year.
So much has shifted behind thescenes in the company, in the
team, and but also in the waythat we're showing up and the
passions and interests that wehave for the courses that we're
teaching and even just in theworld in general, and just
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following the momentum of thatenergy and those transitions has
really just made it clear thatthis is the next, this is the
next right step for everybody.
And it's really just aboutopening those doors to something
new, something different,something that's more in
alignment with who all of usare, whether that's me with
Gateway or or you guys with MoonRising and how it's gonna unfold
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from here.
I'm just I'm really excited tosee how it all goes because it
does.
It really just feels like thiseclipse season kind of wrapped
everything up, swirled itaround, and now it's kind of
spitting it back out, and theair's coming through and and
clearing away the smoke so weget to see what's left.
And yeah, I'm just I'm really,I'm I'm really excited about it.
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I think it's gonna be anincredible experience.
And so, yes, to answer youroriginal question.
It it will be it'll be calledGateway House of Healing, and
I'm hoping to have a podcast andcourses and sessions and
mentorships, and then, like Isaid, a big pillar of it that is
based on writing and sharing theshamanic wisdom and the
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spiritual ideas, but alsoweaving in psychology and
neuroscience and somatics andall of these things because I
think they're so important.
And and it really does kind oftake us back to the topic for
today of that idea of knowingwhen it's time to make big
decisions and how you end upmaking those.
And I often tell my studentsthat it's really knowing that
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you have your intuition, youhave this internal GPS that can
tell you where you want to go,what you need to be doing in
that greater purpose.
Then you have your nervoussystem, which is very much like
your more human self of whatfeels safe, what feels aligned,
what isn't working anymore.
But then you also have yourvalues and your vision for life
and what you want to get out ofit.
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And and when you know all ofthose, when you have those so
clearly in your hands, makingbig decisions becomes, if not
easy, at least simple, becausethen you know you can look at
something and say, is this inalignment for me?
Yes or no?
And if the answer is no, thenit's time to find what is more
in alignment for me.
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And and I'm just I'm reallyexcited to see what happens as I
make that shift from knowingthat what is in the greatest and
highest alignment for me, foryou, for whoever is listening to
this is also going to be what'sin the greatest and highest
alignment for everyone else.
You know, it's it doesn't workthat if it's not an alignment
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for one person, it is analignment for another.
It's it's honoring the greatestand highest alignment for you is
also honoring the greatest andhighest alignment for the other
people around you.
And I really just want to drivethat point home that this is a
completely like supported,team-led, like happy transition
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and alchemy and transformationfor Moonrising, of knowing that
I'm following what's in mygreatest and highest alignment,
and it's opening up the door forsomething new to come through
Moon Rising as well.
And so I'm just I'm I am reallyexcited about it.
And yeah, I'm excited to seewhat's coming next.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:18):
I am too.
I am too.
And I think it I feel that it'sit's a great invitation for
those who are listening tofollow their own intuition and
their own guidance and to setfear aside, you know, when
there's something that's callingon your heartstrings that's
really opening you up because,like you were saying, there can
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be a lot of fear andtransitioning.
And um, you know, for me, juston a personal note, when I was
transitioning from my careerinto being a full-time
practitioner and owning my ownbusiness and to and you know,
working with Moon Rising, butalso in my own of my own
practice and everything, it tooka lot.
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And it took me a good what year,year and a half to do that.
But there was things I had toclose down energetically,
emotionally, mentally, all ofit, you know.
And so I'm really happy that ourour audience gets to witness
that within you because I thinkfor a lot of people, they do,
they just need to see somebodywho's doing it, right?
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And if you don't have anyone,well, here it is now.
Like we're offering that hereright now to say, look, somebody
can transition from a bigposition and follow their own
hearts and and see where they'reled to go.
And I love that.
And I'm excited to see what yourjourney is and how it unfolds,
and how it unfolds for everyone,but definitely to witness where
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you're headed.
SPEAKER_00 (20:46):
Yeah, yeah.
And and like you said, it itreally is.
I think there's there's part ofme that was so defiant when I
finally made the choice.
Cause it's like I've I've beengetting the little nudges all
year and these little signs andand little whispers from the
universe about, hey, you know,it's it's time to start thinking
about it.
It's time to start making yourown path forward and and
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thinking about that transition.
And and I just kept going, no,no, no.
Like I we're doing suchincredible work.
I love my team, I love what weteach, I love what we do.
And and it's so interestingbecause I was sitting there, I
was reflecting about this theother day and thinking about how
it's so indicative of the waythat we make big changes overall
in our world today.
It's never the the main questionis usually never, is this what I
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want to do?
It's has it gotten bad enoughthat I need to leave?
You know what I mean?
And and thinking about how wouldthe way that we show up, the way
that we make decisions, how ourlives look, look different if
instead of asking, you know,well, but is it really bad
enough that I need to make thechange, instead of asking that,
ask like, is it going to besupportive?
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Is it in alignment?
What is my intuition calling meto?
And so there was there was thislittle part of me that was kind
of defiant when I finally waslike, okay, fine, universe,
we'll we'll take the leap, we'lldo the thing.
I'm listening to the nudgebecause I don't, I want to live
in a world where that's how wemake decisions.
I want to live in a world wherepeople get to follow their
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intuitions and life does get tofeel magical.
And when you get the signs fromthe universe, instead of sitting
there going, well, but what if,and maybe and maybe not, and you
go, okay, I can trust that.
I can feel supported in that.
And there's so much of me thisyear that has felt so lost, not
at all because of moon rising,but just because of everything
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happening in my personal life.
It's been a really heavy yearfor me.
And there are so many pieces ofme that have been longing for
that feeling of being supported,of by the universe, of feeling
like I can't, you know, to useChristine's phrase, I can't fuck
it up, you know, and and andjust having that sense of like
trust and surrender andalignment and personal power and
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magic and all of these thingsthat I used to be so connected
to.
And I had a moment a few weeksago where it really just hit me
again, like I say it to studentsall the time, but it really just
hit me that those things aren'tgoing to happen unless we make
the choices that let them in.
And because of all of theanxiety that I've had, because
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of how heavy the year has been,I've just been holding on and
trying to hold on tighter andtighter and tighter to things,
just because, you know, yourmind goes into survival mode,
your nervous system goes intosurvival mode.
And it's like if I can just holdon a little tighter, if I can
just, you know, stick it out alittle longer, if I can just
make it better, then it'll allwork out, then it'll all fall
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into place.
And it's like the tighter I'mholding on to things, the less
I'm letting in, and the lessopportunity can flow, and the
less the energy can flow, andthe less my intuition can
actually say, hey, but look,that magic that you're looking
for, it's not in this thingyou're holding on to, it's over
here.
But you're I can't, I couldn'tsee that until I was able to sit
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back and go, okay, you knowwhat?
It might be scary, it might feeloverwhelming, it might not make
logical sense.
But what is my intuition tellingme?
What is the universe telling me?
What is in alignment with myvalues and where I want my life
to go and how I want to shapeit?
And can I take a minute to havethat sense of personal power
brought back in and just letmyself imagine for a minute?
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And it was really interestinghow difficult it was just to let
myself sit and think like if Iput it all to the side, if I let
go of the what ifs, if I let goof the fears or the worries
about being judged or making thewrong decision or all of these
things, if I just let that goand I tune in for five minutes,
what comes up?
What is the vision?
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What is the dream?
And knowing that that dream thatmy intuition has for me right
now, it is about writing and itis about having more time to be
present with my family.
And it is about teaching some ofthe things that have been
bubbling up that are outside ofwhat we usually teach at
Moonrising and things like that,where just knowing that that
shift happened.
And it it was a little wake-upcall from my mind that at some
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point that shift happened and mymind didn't notice it.
You know what I mean?
It was at the start of thisyear, I was so aligned.
Moonrising was absolutelyexactly what I was meant to be
doing.
And at some point over the last10 months, it shifted.
And my mind was trying so hardto hold on to, but this is what
we know.
This is good.
We're doing good work.
I love my team.
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I love these things.
Let's just hold on to it alittle bit longer and a little
bit tighter.
And maybe the universe will stopwhispering that there's
something else over here I'msupposed to look at, you know?
And and I did.
I just had that wake-up call afew weeks ago where it was like,
no, you know what?
This isn't this way of living,even though this way of living
is teaching shamanism and havinga spiritual podcast.
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And it's it's all of the rightthings, right?
It's not what I'm supposed to bedoing anymore.
It's not what my intuition iscalling me to.
It's it's there's something elsethat I'm being guided to.
And even though this one wasabsolutely incredible and
exactly what I was supposed tobe doing, and I'm so incredibly
proud of what we've created overthe last six months, six months,
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six years that I've been workingwith with Christine and then
with you, like it's absolutelyincredible.
And I think that made it so mucheasier for my mind to try and
hold on to it a little bitlonger and say, but look, it's
so perfect.
Like it's it's all wrapped up ina bow.
It's it and and just making thatchoice and and giving my mind
the space to say, okay, but whatif in a good way?
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You know, what if I did let allof it go?
What if I did listen to what wasin alignment?
And it's it's really honestlykind of fascinating, all of the
ways that things have justfallen into place since I made
the decision to let go andfollow my intuition.
And I was actually tellingChantal before the call
something that has just made myheart really, really happy is in
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July of this year, around thetime that I first started
really, really getting clear onwhat the whispers of the
universe were were telling me todo, I lost my engagement ring
and I could not find it.
I searched for it everywhere.
I had students trying to tune inand figure out where it was.
I had Christine looking, like,could not find it.
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It's been missing for three anda half months.
And this morning, as I got readyfor this podcast, as I got ready
to make the announcement, it wasjust sitting on the floor in my
living room.
And it it's one of those whereit's like, it was absolutely not
there.
My husband and I would havewalked over it 20 times if it
was sitting there.
And it it was just such, it wasjust such a beautiful
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confirmation to any little lastbits in my mind that we're
trying to hold on of no, theuniverse, the universe has got
you, you know?
And I think one of the thingsthat I'm remembering from the
start of this year, with thatpart of me that was just kind of
longing and feeling hollow, is Iwas really longing for
synchronicities to come back.
Like I remember thinking that mylife used to be so full of
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synchronicities.
It'd be like five a day,something magical would happen.
And and I just haven't felt likethat for the last few months.
But since I've made, since I'vemade space in my life for my
intuition to actually talk tome, since I've started listening
to what my nervous system needs,since I've started envisioning,
well, what is next?
What is coming?
What if I held space for magicin life?
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The synchronicities, likefinding my ring again, have just
come flooding back.
And it's just been such a reallybeautiful confirmation for the
parts of my mind that we'rereally afraid of.
You know, what if it's justgone?
What if the magic isn't there?
What if this is the wrongdecision?
All of these fears that so manyof my friends or students or our
community members are expressingabout making their own big
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choices and decisions and shiftsand following their intuition.
And I really do hope thatmoments like this and the
examples that, you know, Chantaland I are bringing forward can
be as much of a balm for theparts of you that have those
fears as as they have been forme and the parts of me that was
really feeling all of that, andknowing that I'm I'm so just
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incredibly amazed at the waythat the universe comes through
and and your intuition can guideyou into exactly what you need,
even if it's never what yourmind would have imagined for
you, you know.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (29:10):
You know, synchronicities are um they
really do show you where youralignment is.
So if you're someone who does,if you are in alignment, there's
a lot of synchronicities thatcome forward.
And if you're aware of them andyou're awake to them, you notice
them, you pick them up.
And and so there's not a lot ofinterpretation to it.
(29:32):
It's simply things like that,like a lost ring shows up, you
know, the right numbers, theright song, the right
conversation, the thoughts, thedownloads, the messages of
energy that show up.
And then when we step out ofalignment and those things start
to fade away, that's a veryclear note of hey, you're not
paying attention right now.
You've got you've veered off farenough to where spirit can no
(29:55):
longer really show you that youare in alignment, that those
synchronicities aren't showingup.
And so it's important for us totune into that.
You know, last week I Itraveled.
I went to, so I'm in Californiaand I flew to um Georgia for a
wedding and then I flew toMissouri and then flew back to
California.
(30:16):
And it was a trip.
It it literally like I was onfive flights in two days and
traveling by car for many hoursand then flying back home,
missed my flight.
I was in the airport for like 12hours.
It was ridiculous.
And you know, the part of what Irealized out there is that our
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spiritual world, in my world, Iit's all spiritual.
Everyone I work with, we're allin alignment to this thought,
this way of living, theknowings.
And then when I got out there, Irealized there's a lot more
people asleep than there areawake.
A lot of just everydayconversations, uh, driving down
the road, as beautiful as ourworld is, because it really is,
(31:00):
and I was in some amazing,beautiful places.
But I could see the matrix, Icould see the layers of what is.
You know, when we aren'tconnected to the divinity, if
we're not connected to theearth, if we're not connected to
our higher self, you really cansee what the matrix is all about
(31:22):
and the shadows of the world andthe shadows of people and what's
happening, like whether it's theeclipse or whether it's energy
showing up, or you know,conspiracy theories or not, or
truths or lies, or whatever weare surrounded by right now in
the world.
If we aren't tuned intoourselves and our inner voice,
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we really can get sucked andtrapped into a world that is
more false than this, you know,like this to me is the truth of
what is trying to be revealed.
That's working so hard, likeyou're saying, the bubbling up,
the coming to the surface.
And we need to listen to ourinner voice and what is it
saying?
(32:06):
Where is it guiding us?
Where is it leading us?
Where is it taking us?
Even if it's like, you know,you're saying five years ago you
got you had some spark ofinspiration, but then January
you do a vision quest, which isin the shamanic realm.
Yes, amazing because that's whatyou're seeking.
You're saying, okay, universe, Iam ready for this and I'm gonna
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go on this quest, and I'm opento whatever the outcome is,
right?
And then the outcome starts toshow up, and what does our mind
do?
It's like that restrictiveenergy, and it's like, no.
And when you were talking, I wasvisualizing the abominable
snowman with Daffy Duck, andhe's like, and I'm gonna love
you, I'm gonna pet you, I'mgonna hold you, and then and
then he like passes out and heloved it, he smothered it so
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much that it dissipates.
And so that's what I was youknow, it's like the mind can
smother things from existing,you know?
And it's really it's wonderfulto watch it.
I was talking to my husband thisweekend, and there's a lot of
change, like I said, in my lifecoming.
And he's like, you keep askingfor change.
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He goes, and then it's here, andthen you want to resist it.
And I'm like, you know what?
It's like, okay, man, you know,I get it.
And I really sat with that, andI and he's right, he's right.
And so when when theopportunities come for us to
really listen and tune into ourinner voice, we can't resist
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what shows up because we're theones asking for it.
We're the ones who are aligningourselves to meet the universe,
to meet spirit, to say, okay,what do you have for me now?
You know, and being on thisplanet for 51 years almost, I
can say that there's definitelya lot of ebb and flow in life,
and a lot of closing doors andopening new ones and closed
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opportunities and newopportunities and new groups of
people.
And, you know, it really is inthe flow.
And and so when people look atmy life and they they see, you
know, my home and my life, andthis, and they're all just like,
God, it's just so like they seea vision for themselves and me.
I'm in flow to where I couldsay, pack it up, let's go.
(34:14):
What's next?
Right?
Am I ready for that right now?
No.
But I know when that momentcomes, I'm okay to be free.
And I think sometimes we're justafraid to be free.
Yeah.
And to gain that and to claimthat freedom in ourselves and to
say, because I am a truebeliever that you know, we're
living this lifetime right now,and and whatever we're meant to
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do, we need to do it.
And the old teachings of youjust work your nine to five
until you retire at 65, and thenyou got your 10 years of living
when you're old.
No, I don't believe in that.
Live it now, like truly live itnow and embrace it now.
It's important.
SPEAKER_00 (34:54):
Yeah.
And I love that.
And and you're right, you know,it's it's there, there is that
part of me that's been saying,like, oh, I want the
synchronicities back, I want themagic back, I want the, you
know, that feeling like I'mconnected to my intuition and
that I'm on track with thosevisions that I have and I'm
excited about what I'm doing andfeeling like there's, you know,
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all of these next steps andexciting things coming my way.
And and then here it is.
Here's the opportunity to stepout of that box, to let the mind
take a backseat and really trustthe intuition.
And and I'm just, I'm constantlyamazed by how powerful this work
is.
Because, like you're saying,it's it really is noticing, you
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know, do you havesynchronicities in your life?
Can you hear your intuition?
Are you willing to go with theflow?
And if the answer is no to allor any of those, then there's
there's something deeper thatyour soul is trying to get you
to see, that the universe istrying to get you to see.
And and this year has just beena big year for me of really
(36:00):
looking at the things that mymind hasn't wanna look, hasn't
wanted to look at for a whileand really taking the time and
and saying, I keep joking withwith my husband that, you know,
this is just the year where I'mjust doing the things.
I'm looking at the things thatmy mind has been scared of.
I'm making the decisions thatare in alignment, even if they,
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you know, make my mind a littleafraid.
I'm I'm doing the things becauseI don't want the life that feels
like that, you know, monotone,monochrome, nine to five, retire
when you're 65 and that's it.
But that's not the world.
That's not the life that I wantto live in.
I want a life that feels magicaland vibrant and inflow and
(36:42):
surprising and like anadventure.
And in order to have a life thatlooks like that, I've got to
make the decisions that are inalignment with it, you know?
And I think it just goes back towhat we were saying earlier of
knowing can you connect withyour intuition?
Can you trust your body whenit's telling you this is a yes,
this is a no, this is aboundary, this isn't?
Knowing when that's beencrossed, what you need to do to
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put those in place so that youfeel safe.
And then also your values, youknow, what do you want life to
feel like?
What do you want out of life?
What do you want this one wildand precious life that you have
in this body with this mind?
What do you want it to be like?
And then can you make thedecisions that are in alignment
with that?
And it's so, it sounds sosimple.
(37:25):
And that doesn't mean that it's,you know, easy.
It's certainly been hours andhours and hours of processing
and working through and holdingspace and clearing energy and
all of it.
But it's it really is incrediblewhen you can use those as your
GPS.
It it really helps the mind geton board with it a little more
and make space for it.
(37:46):
And just knowing that the lifethat you want to live means that
you have to make the choicesthat are in alignment with that
life, even if it feels like it'sshaking things up a bit, you
know?
SPEAKER_02 (37:58):
Yeah.
And we've all been there, youknow, we've all been there.
There's always a transition inour lives.
It's just how do we embrace it?
How do we walk the walk, youknow, and not just talk it?
And how do we show up forourselves?
And and I think it's importantto know and to recognize it
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because at the end of the day,at the end of this life
experience, the only one thatyou have is you, right?
I mean, we are surrounded by ourloved ones, we're surrounded by
the people in our life, but atthe end, it's our journey.
And if we're not happy in ourjourney, we need to make it
happy, we need to shift it, weneed to say, okay, am I stuck in
grief?
(38:39):
Am I stuck in sadness?
Am I just stuck in being likemediocre or just stagnant?
Or am I ready to go and andventure life and experience,
whatever that looks like?
You know, it's different foreveryone.
Um, you know, for me, it's likeI have a million ideas all the
time, all the time.
I am I download all the time onideas for this and ideas for
(39:04):
that, moneymakers for this,moneymakers for that, you know,
buying land, opening business.
Like I have so much.
And sometimes I'm like, I ask,you know, my guides and stuff,
why do I get so many, but yetI'm not guided to go do them
all, you know, or the team isn'tput together or whatever it is.
But I think it's because I justbring in ideas and I share them,
(39:25):
and wherever there's meant toplant, they plant.
And whoever hears them, hearsthem.
And if that's maybe for themversus for me, you know.
Um and that's okay too.
I think that we just need to getinto this place within ourselves
that fear isn't the primaryemotion that we feel, that we
live by, right?
(39:45):
It's it really I think that fearhas had its place, and it's time
to let fear go to sleep a littlebit.
Like, go take a nap, you know.
Like, let me just be happy for awhile, let me like enjoy life,
let me embrace what is, let mebe embodied and fully embody
this life experience.
And I think that when we can dothat, when we can know it's
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there, like fear can be likethis, but if we can create this
little piece over here that'sfear and know it's there, or our
anxiety, our stress, oreverything's right there, but it
isn't how we create our life,life is fuller.
You can always pull fear fearback out, you can always
re-expand that energy and thenre-collapse it.
But it's knowing that we havethe power to do that, that we
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have the ability to do it.
And what if, what if likestepping out of our comfort zone
becomes the best thing we'veever done?
But if that aligns us to all theright people and all the right
choices and chances andopportunities, but if we sit in
that fear-based energy, nothingcan come because we've blocked
it.
We've said, nope, I'm notavailable to anything or change
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because I'm too fearful of it.
And the universe is gonna say,yeah, don't give that to them
because they're not ready.
We'll come back around.
And that's where that cycle is.
You know, how long do we have tobe in that cycle before we
realize it's time to shift andmove out of it, right?
And as I'm preparing for myarchetype class to start on
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Thursday, you know, I've beensitting in a lot of thought with
soul contracts and their soul'spurpose and and what our like
energetic like archetypes areall about.
And dude, I can't even say howpowerful it is.
You know, I just I can't.
And I wish that people reallyunderstood the wisdom that comes
(41:36):
from the teachings that are hereand the teachings that we
provide in our personal life andin our platform and all of it,
but because it's life-changingand it can really expand our
experience.
And right now I think thatyou're you're absolutely walking
that.
SPEAKER_00 (41:55):
Yeah.
And you know, the other thing toadd to that is knowing that fear
can also be a not a stop sign,but just a sign that you're at
the boundary of who you were andwhere you could go.
You know, it's it's really fearhappens at the edge of your
comfort zone.
And one of the most empoweringshifts that I have made in the
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last two years, I would say, isreally starting to look at fear
not as a stop sign, not as asign that you're doing something
wrong or that it's all gonnafall apart or that everything's
gonna go wrong, but really as asign that, hey, this is just so
you know, you're at the edge.
You're at the edge of who you'vebeen.
And making this choice is gonnaturn you into someone new.
It's gonna shift your life in anew direction, it's gonna push
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you outside of your comfortzone.
Are you ready?
You know?
And so I've really startedlooking at fear as an
opportunity to reflect on am Iready?
Do I feel prepared?
Can I trust those instincts thatI have?
Can I trust the skills that Ihave?
Can I trust my strength, my flowto keep me moving forward, to
support me even when I'm out ofmy comfort zone, you know?
(43:01):
And and really from that space,becoming really grateful for
fear because it really is thisinvitation to reflect on look at
how far you've come.
Are you ready to go a little bitfurther?
And what if taking that nextstep is, like you said, the
thing that's going to changeeverything?
And I keep saying to my husband,you know, what?
Because he he also quit his jobearlier this year.
(43:22):
It's been a big, big year oftransition for both of us.
And I keep looking at him andgoing, what if we say that this
is the year that everythingshifted?
That because we made the choicesthat felt big, that felt a
little scary, but that we'reultimately in alignment and what
life was calling us to, that wedid it anyway, in spite of the
fear that this is the year thateverything changed.
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And and everything just, youknow, we look back at man, 2025.
It was hard in the moment, butI'm so grateful we did it
because look what's happenedfrom there.
And that's I can feel thatenergy and that excitement in
this transition.
And I'm just, I'm really excitedto see what happens next and
what does happen now that I'veI've really truly taken the
(44:03):
leap.
There is no going back, there isno giving my mind control again,
you know.
It's I sat down with myintuition the other day and was
like, okay, okay, we'll we'llmake the decision, we'll take
the leap, but you've got toguide me through it.
You've got to show me the nextsteps, you've got to keep me
moving forward.
And I'm I can feel like thetingles in my body at the idea
(44:24):
of like, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm soready to go back to living life,
truly 100% following myintuition.
Because even though the mind canlike you to think that you're
doing that, you know, it's soeasy to just little by little
start giving the mind controlagain.
And I'm just really excited tolet it let go of control for a
(44:45):
little bit and watch whathappens and watch what it
unfolds.
SPEAKER_02 (44:49):
Yeah, that definitely is the alchemized
version of fear, and you know,because a lot of people get
trapped in it.
And I love that you're able tosee the fear like that from the
other perspective of it, becausethere is a lot of people that
they think like stepping intothat, that's the illusion.
And it's like, no, that's notthe illusion, that is the truth.
You know, it's the spectrum ofdoing the opposite of what fear
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brings in or anxiety.
Those are very importantemotions to feel, but not to
live by, you know, at leastthat's how I see them.
Like, let it be that nudgingemotion that says it's time to
move.
Like you said, it's on the edgeof it.
But when you get trapped in itand it holds you in space,
(45:33):
that's where I think, like,okay, now let's alchemize that.
Let's step into our power beyondwhat it is.
And know that when we areseeing, because there's, you
know, we have a comment of like,you know, when you see
synchronicities and stuff, isthat the illusion?
And that's the mind wanting totell you it's an illusion
because it wants to pull youback in.
You're opening up because whenthe third eye starts opening up
(45:55):
and the intuition starts openingup, you start raising your
vibration to a level ofawareness that is beyond the
earth chakras of fear and beingrooted in the earth.
And you know, when we startbringing our energies up and you
have this greater awareness,it's like, oh, but the brain
does want to pull you back inand say, hold on, let's come on
(46:15):
back down.
Remember that we're we'refearful of that.
And so it is important to alignourselves when it's time and we
know when it is.
You know, you start to feel it.
It's for me too.
It's like the the nudges thathappen.
I received a message thismorning for someone that I woke
up at 4:30 in the morning andhad to text them and say, uh
(46:36):
sorry, it's early, but beforethis message leaves, just so you
know, because I've I've learnedto trust when the messages come
through, they're not for me tohold.
You know, they're not me for meto gatekeep.
I gotta give give them whereverthey need to go.
And so it was something I couldhave held on to, possibly, but
is it a message I might haveforgot or lost, you know?
(46:59):
And so, yeah, there's just thosenudges that happen, even if it's
at 4 30 in the morning, you'relike, sorry for the early text,
but just so you know, this iswhat I receive for you.
Um but again, following theintuition and let's see what
comes from that, you know.
And she might wake up andreceived a message that she
needed to hear today, you know,and so it really is like I said,
(47:23):
walking the walk and being onour journey and embracing the
vision in which you're puttingforward of I want to live in my
intuition.
And for me, most of the time, Ido.
I follow my intuition, I followenergy.
Energy is everything to me.
So it's like people thinksometimes, like, oh, it's it's
(47:45):
fantasies.
No, it's not, it's the realityof, you know, if you're not in
it and you don't feel it, it'sjust on on the other side of
your veil, it's right there.
It's just tapping into it, it'sallowing yourself to trust and
to open up to what is and thepossibilities that are there.
SPEAKER_00 (48:05):
Absolutely.
And so, with with all of thatsaid, I would be so incredibly
grateful and thrilled andhonored to see you all with me
on this next part of thejourney.
I will, of course, still beactive in the Moonrising
Shamanic Mystics Facebook group.
And there may be potentials forcollaborations in the future.
(48:26):
So my face isn't going away, butmy role in Moonrising as a
company is shifting.
And I'm really so excited towatch and see what happens as
Chantelle and Christine continueto hold space for Moonrising and
watch it unfold.
And I will be in the MoonrisingFacebook group and keeping you
(48:47):
guys updated, but I would alsobe so thrilled to see you guys
in the Gateway House of Healingside of things so that you can
walk this journey with me, walkwith me as we find out what the
universe have in store for thisvision that it gave me five
years ago and what does happenwhen you take the leap and make
all of your decisions from yourintuition.
(49:07):
And I know that so many of youhave been following along with
my writing and my sharing thisyear.
And so if you're interested inreceiving more of that, all of
that is coming soon throughGateway House of Healing as
well.
So I'm going to put the websitein the chat in the show notes.
It's justgatewayhouseofhealing.com.
Right now, it is a coming soonpage where you can subscribe to
(49:30):
the newsletter.
But by next, the end of nextweek, October 17th, I'm hoping
to have everything up andpublished, as that'll be the
official date that I'm fullytransitioning away from Moon
Rising and stepping down from myrole as director and teacher and
alchemist.
And so by October 17th, it willbe fully functioning and live.
(49:51):
But I would be, I would bethrilled to have you join the
newsletter.
When you go to the website andyou click the button to join the
newsletter, you'll become asubscriber and be the first to
know when the website getspublished, when the podcast
comes out, when the books areavailable and the Substack is
published and all of the newexciting things that are
happening.
And I'll be sending out regular,regular updates and writings and
(50:13):
essays and just all of thethings to keep you guys updated
and just really stepping intothis next phase of what's
lighting me up, what my soul iscalling me to.
And I'm just so excited to keepsharing and hopefully keep
sharing it with all of youbecause every single one of you
who's listening, who's seeingthis is has been such a huge
(50:36):
part of not only Moonrising'scommunity, but also of my
personal journey.
And I know that I would not bethe person, the teacher, the
writer, any of it that I amtoday without all of you and
without the opportunity to walkwith you and share space with
you and hear your stories andyour wins and your shares.
And so I would love to continueto engage with you, have you be
part of the community as well.
(50:58):
So know that we have uh I have aFacebook group as well.
So for those of you who join usin the Moonrising Shamanic
Mystics Facebook group, you canalso join me in the Gateway
Facebook group as well.
I'm also on Instagram, I'm onTikTok now, which is kind of
exciting.
And then, like I said, I havethat newsletter.
And if you do only one thingfrom all of those, I would love,
love, love to see you on thenewsletter because it will be
(51:19):
just kind of the hub of keepingup with me and what I'm doing
and receiving all of the updatesand getting, you know, special
offers on when the courses openand when writings are available
and all of that.
So I would really love to seeyou guys there.
Like I said, I'll put that linkin the chat.
And and I do just want to onceagain just express my extreme,
(51:39):
profound gratitude for all ofyou and for Moon Rising and for
what it's going to become andfor having a community that
holds space for this kind oftransformation and this kind of
transition.
You know, I think there are somany, like Chantel was saying,
there's so many circles in theworld where if you said, Well, I
quit my job because my intuitiontold me to, they'd be like,
(52:00):
What?
What do you mean you quit yourjob?
You know?
And I love that we have acommunity here where that is not
only like, oh yeah, no, I getthat, but it can also be a
celebration and it can be areally sacred thing because I
think we we all need a littlebit more of that sacred magic in
our lives.
And I'm really, really sograteful to have the opportunity
to open up that space in my lifeand see see what fills it and
(52:22):
also still be able to hold spaceand support and and watch what
Chantel does and what Christinedoes and what Moonrising becomes
and just just all of it.
I'm really, really excited forall of the transitions.
And of course, like I said, I'mI'm still gonna be part of the
community.
I would love to receive amessage from you if you have
questions, if you want to checkin, all of the things you can
message me on Facebook.
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Um, or like I said, you can jointhat newsletter and message me
through through Gateway House ofHealing.
And I just can't wait to keepconnecting and keep sharing and
see what comes next.
SPEAKER_01 (52:53):
Okay, awesome, beautiful.
It really is.
It really is.
SPEAKER_02 (52:59):
And I know that we're gonna continue to watch
you and you're gonna be here andyou'll come back and you know,
visit and put some of yourwisdom around here as well.
So definitely looking forward toall of that.
And yeah.
Beautiful.
Just sending so much love toyour journey moving forward.
And yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (53:20):
Thank you.
I'm I'm so grateful and I'm soexcited.
And and like I said, watch thepodcast next week where we'll be
doing a group celebration andtransition and coming together
to really celebrate what anincredible journey it's been for
Moonrising and and close outthis chapter.
But until then, thank you all somuch for listening, for showing
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connect with me as I moveforward.
And I'm just so excited to seewhat comes next for me and for
all of you listening and forMoonrising.
And until next time, may youawaken to the whispers of wisdom
rising from within.
Bye everyone.
Bye, everyone.
See you later.
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I've decided to step away topursue the visions and the
dreams that my intuition has instore for me.
And so today's episode isdedicated to telling you the
story of how I came to thisdecision, the importance that I
have really been feeling in myown life of listening to your
intuition, balancing yournervous system, tuning into your
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values, and just trusting thatthe visions and the dreams that
were given and the signs thatwere given by the universe are
not accidental.
They're very purposeful.
And so I hope that this episodeshines light on the decision
that I made and inspires you tolisten to your own intuition, to
take the leap, to do the thing,even if your mind is scared or
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unsure, and trust that theuniverse is there to support
you.
So in today's episode, Chanteland I talk about making
decisions with your intuition,what inspired me to make this
change, reflecting on the lastsix years of my time with Moon
Rising, as well as what I seefor the future, the things that
are really lighting my soul onfire, the vision that the
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universe gave me almost fiveyears ago that is finally coming
to life, and so much more.
So I'm really excited to sharethis episode with you, to share
more about where I'm at in myjourney and invite you to
continue to join me and walkwith me.
So as you'll hear me share atthe end of the episode, I'm so
excited to be transitioning intofocusing more on my personal
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business company and communitycalled Gateway House of Healing.
This company has been in theworks for over five years, as
you'll hear in today's episode.
And if you're wanting tocontinue to follow along with me
to hear more about my journey,see how this intuitive decision
plays out, and continue to hearfrom me, my writings, my voice,
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I will leave the link to thewebsite in the show notes so
that you can join the newsletterand stay up to date on what's
happening next.
And of course, be sure to joinus on the podcast next week when
we'll be coming together allthree, Christine, Chantel, and
myself for a group celebrationof the incredible time that we
have shared together here atMoon Rising, as well as what's
to come next.
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So we'll be sharing that on thepodcast next week.
And if you're listening to thisthe week that it releases, the
week of October 6th, 2025, knowthat Chantel's Soul Contracts
and Archetypes Masterclass isstill enrolling and it starts on
Thursday, October 9th.
There are a few spaces left, andit's going to be an absolutely
incredible class.
So if you're interested inlearning more about soul
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contracts, about the spiritualarchetypes, about how you can
alchemize those and use them tobecome a conscious participant
in your life, how you can growthrough them with vision, power,
and grace and learn how toanchor into your clarity, your
purpose, and your spiritualalignment.
This is a fantastic class.
It's an eight-week classstarting on Thursday, October
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9th.
And like I said, I'll put thatlink in the show notes so that
you can learn more and enrollnow if it feels like a fit.
In the meantime, I really hopethat you enjoy today's episode.
I hope to see you in the MoonRising Shamanic Mystics Facebook
community over the next twoweeks.
I'll be officially transitioningaway on Friday, October 17th.
But of course, I'll still bepresent in the group.
And I would love to see you inthe Gateway House of Healing
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private Facebook group as wellso we can stay connected.
The links to the Gateway Houseof Healing website, the Facebook
group, our Moon Rising ShamanicMystics Facebook group,
Chantelle's Masterclass, and somuch more are in the show notes.
But without further ado, let'sdive in to today's episode.
Welcome, welcome back to anotheramazing conversation.
I am so excited to be joinedwith Chantelle Ochoa for today's
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conversation.
We are diving into how ourvalues, our intuition, our
nervous systems can help us makereally big decisions.
And I'm sharing a really bigannouncement and decision of my
own with you all on today'sconversation.
So before we jump in, Chantel,thanks for being on with me
today.
SPEAKER_02 (05:21):
Thank you.
I'm so honored and happy to behere and holding space for our
viewers, for ourselves, for theenergy of the day, and just
clearing away what needs to becleared.
Absolutely.
Bringing in really beautifulintentions and conversation.
And this is, I really do um likewhat our conversation is today
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because I've been really fillinginto my own intuition a lot
lately.
And so it's very umsynchronistic as far as what
we're we're talking about andchanges and that's on the
horizon.
And yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think you know it'sinteresting because you're not
the first person that I'vetalked to who's felt that same
kind of draw back to theirintuitions.
And I think we're just inwhether it was the eclipse
season or it's been your wholeyear, there are just so many
people that I've talked to whoare feeling the almost chaos
that this year has had.
I know that I've been feeling itand are really feeling that
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longing for something that feelsa little more grounded, for that
clarity that can come when wecan connect to our intuition.
But there's also so much fearhappening within that, and the
fear of, well, what happens if Ido that?
And how do I make the decision?
And what if I make the wrongone?
And all of those kinds ofthings.
And so when we originally setthe idea for this conversation,
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that was what this was born outof.
And over the last few weeks, inmy life, it's really
transitioned into something somuch more.
So before we dive into all ofthe ins and outs of this
conversation and why it's soimportant, I do just want to
share the foundation for whatthis conversation has become.
And that is a really excitingand very big change and
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transformation and announcementfor both myself and for
Moonrising.
And that is that I have decidedto step down from my role as
director with Moon Rising and tokind of go off on my own path
and explore new things.
There have been so manyincredible moments during my
time with Moonrising and alsoleading up to this decision and
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so many incredible journeys andsigns and tuning in with my
intuition and receiving supportfrom my team and all of these
things that have really cometogether and made this topic so
much more potent for me.
So today's conversation reallyhas kind of become a blend of
knowing how to lean into ourintuition and sharing why I
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think that's so important, butalso a little bit of my kind of
final love letter to thecommunity as I step away and
transition into something new.
So that is what we have fulltransparency right from right
from the top.
And I really want to say thatpart of the reason that we're
we're showing up and we'rehaving this conversation and
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we're holding it in thecontainer of your values and
your intuition and your nervoussystem and all of this is
because I really do firmlybelieve that we are in a world
right now that is starving forthat authenticity, that's
starving for that connection,that's starving for that kind of
bravery to really follow yourintuition, even if it tells you
to do something that can reallyscare your mind or feel really
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big or really overwhelming.
And when I started getting thesigns and the idea that maybe it
was time to move on and see whatwas next, there was so much fear
in my head, right?
All of the stories of, well,what if I make the wrong
decision or what if it's not theright time, or all of these
things that come up for everyonewhen we have to make a big
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decision, right?
And I remember thinking, I wishthat I had somebody who had done
something like this to show mymind that it's gonna be okay.
Like if you make the bigdecision, if you follow your
intuition, if you trust theintuitive knowing side of you
over the logical mental side ofyou that things work out.
And I want to be that person.
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You know what I mean?
I just had that realization oflike, I don't have that person
in my life.
And I wish I did.
And so I want to be that personfor all of the people who need
somebody to look at and say,well, what does happen if we
follow our intuition?
What does happen if we trust ourgut instinct?
What does happen if we decide tolive a life that feels in
alignment with what we want,with our visions?
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What happens if we do go afterour goals?
And does it turn out okay?
And so I really want to holdthat up, not as this like, ah,
look at me and what I'm doing,but really as this like, this is
what this community is for, youknow, taking the leap, tuning
into our intuition, trusting ourguides, trusting that life gets
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to be magical and showing up foreach other as we do it.
And so just from the start ofit, I just want to say that I am
I'm so incredibly grateful foreverything that that the
community has to offer, all ofthe incredible people that are
here, all of the incrediblewisdom and support that comes
through.
And knowing that hopefully youget some of the background today
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of what led into this, what wehave envisioned for what's
coming next.
And of course, next week we'llall be coming together as a team
here on the podcast tocelebrate, to reflect, to just
be together in the lovely energyof transition that I know so
many people are are experiencingin their own lives after this
eclipse season, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (10:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (10:48):
I'm just I'm cute, what yeah, just filling into it
all and for next week.
But um what are you excitedabout?
Like, what are you reallylooking forward to right now?
Like as as you're now makingthis announcement and you can
now be stepping into your ownenergy and into your own
business and whatever is comingforward for you.
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Like, what are you lookingforward to?
SPEAKER_00 (11:10):
Oh, I love that question.
Uh you know, it's interesting.
I I think I've mentioned it.
No, I haven't.
I haven't ever talked about ithere on the show.
In 2020, I was sitting in ahistory class and not paying
attention like I should havebeen, but I was sitting in a
history class and I had thisvision, this logo popped in my
head, this name, this idea, andI wrote it down and I have the
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sketch on my wall right now.
And it was just this reallybeautiful, almost fully formed
idea that Spirit just kind ofplopped into my head for the
book that I wanted to write andthe things that I wanted to talk
about and the courses that Iwanted to teach and the kind of
community that I was gonnacreate down the line.
And of course, in my head, I wasthinking this was, you know, 15,
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20, 30 years down the road.
And this year, there have justbeen so many, so many things in
my personal life that haveeither fallen away or fallen
into place.
And that vision that I had fiveyears ago has just really
naturally unfolded and kind ofbeen plopped back in my lap as
this reminder.
I even happened upon the sketchearlier this year before I was
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even thinking that, oh, maybenow's the time to bring it to
life.
And what I really think lookingback kind of started all this.
Last January, I did a shamanicvision quest.
And this idea that I hadreceived in 2020 for Gateway
House of Healing, thiscommunity, this kind of entity
that I wanted to create wasreally at the center of that
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vision quest.
And again, when I went on thevision quest, it was all very in
the future.
It's gonna happen at some point.
You're just walking the path.
And and this year, it's beenincredible to see how so many
elements from that vision questhave fallen into place and just
become so clear that the time isnow.
And and I'm I really am just soexcited for it.
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It has been absolutelyfascinating, I think, to see how
my life has shifted since Istarted working with what was
Reiki Cafe and is now Moonrisingand now moving into Gateway
because who I am has shifted somuch.
And Christine and I always jokethat my life is kind of like a
mosaic.
Like there's just so manydifferent random pieces of
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things that I do and who I am.
And there were so many yearswhere who I was was really
deeply embedded in teaching andin sharing this work and
teaching others how to shamanicjourney and teaching others how
to connect with the chakras.
And over the last year, that joyand that passion has really
shifted more into working withpeople one-on-one, holding those
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really sacred containers, butalso into writing, to be honest
with you.
And and the way that I'm settingup things in in this new area of
life, it's really exciting tosee that there's a container
where that passion can get tocome to life and that next
little piece of the mosaic canclick into place.
And so I really am, honestly, ifI'm if I'm being totally honest.
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Of course, I'm excited aboutwhat I'm gonna teach next and
the people I'm gonna work withand all of that.
But I'm I'm really excited aboutwriting at this, at this stage.
And and I'm planning on having alike a substack, a weekly
personal essay column that willeventually become a book.
And I've got two other bookideas that I've been working on,
and and writing has really justbeen the place that my soul has
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been on fire lately.
And I'm really excited to havemore time to devote to that and
see what comes through becauseof it.
SPEAKER_02 (14:34):
That's really exciting, actually.
Because you are a great writer.
So it's like being able forthose of us who have may have
books in our head, but we don'thave all the skill set to put it
on paper, you know, it's it'sgreat to see that you're able to
follow that passion and to doit, you know, because I think
there are so many stories to putdown, and you have a lot of
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wisdom to do that.
So that's really great.
And so your new business comingforward is Gateway?
SPEAKER_00 (15:03):
Yes.
So it's it's gonna be calledGateway House of Healing.
And like I said, I've had I'vehad this idea in my head for
five years, you know, I've hadfive years to think about what
would I want it to be like andwhat colors and what logo and
what kind of things do I want tooffer and how do I want to set
it up?
And and I'm just I I'm reallyprofoundly grateful for
everything that Reiki Cafe andMoonrising taught me because I
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feel like it's really set anincredible foundation for skills
and knowledge and wisdom thatI'm now able to kind of take
into this next phase and seewhat's happening.
And and it's it's really, it'sbeen really a wild ride, you
guys, because if anybody elsehas experienced the crazy
eclipse energy lately, I thinkthat you can understand the
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feeling of just intensetransition that we've all kind
of found ourselves in, you know,and and Moon Rising has been
that way too, you know, we'vebeen in a really big period of
transition this year.
So much has shifted behind thescenes in the company, in the
team, and but also in the waythat we're showing up and the
passions and interests that wehave for the courses that we're
teaching and even just in theworld in general, and just
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following the momentum of thatenergy and those transitions has
really just made it clear thatthis is the next, this is the
next right step for everybody.
And it's really just aboutopening those doors to something
new, something different,something that's more in
alignment with who all of usare, whether that's me with
Gateway or or you guys with MoonRising and how it's gonna unfold
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from here.
I'm just I'm really excited tosee how it all goes because it
does.
It really just feels like thiseclipse season kind of wrapped
everything up, swirled itaround, and now it's kind of
spitting it back out, and theair's coming through and and
clearing away the smoke so weget to see what's left.
And yeah, I'm just I'm really,I'm I'm really excited about it.
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I think it's gonna be anincredible experience.
And so, yes, to answer youroriginal question.
It it will be it'll be calledGateway House of Healing, and
I'm hoping to have a podcast andcourses and sessions and
mentorships, and then, like Isaid, a big pillar of it that is
based on writing and sharing theshamanic wisdom and the
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spiritual ideas, but alsoweaving in psychology and
neuroscience and somatics andall of these things because I
think they're so important.
And and it really does kind oftake us back to the topic for
today of that idea of knowingwhen it's time to make big
decisions and how you end upmaking those.
And I often tell my studentsthat it's really knowing that
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you have your intuition, youhave this internal GPS that can
tell you where you want to go,what you need to be doing in
that greater purpose.
Then you have your nervoussystem, which is very much like
your more human self of whatfeels safe, what feels aligned,
what isn't working anymore.
But then you also have yourvalues and your vision for life
and what you want to get out ofit.
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And and when you know all ofthose, when you have those so
clearly in your hands, makingbig decisions becomes, if not
easy, at least simple, becausethen you know you can look at
something and say, is this inalignment for me?
Yes or no?
And if the answer is no, thenit's time to find what is more
in alignment for me.
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And and I'm just I'm reallyexcited to see what happens as I
make that shift from knowingthat what is in the greatest and
highest alignment for me, foryou, for whoever is listening to
this is also going to be what'sin the greatest and highest
alignment for everyone else.
You know, it's it doesn't workthat if it's not an alignment
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for one person, it is analignment for another.
It's it's honoring the greatestand highest alignment for you is
also honoring the greatest andhighest alignment for the other
people around you.
And I really just want to drivethat point home that this is a
completely like supported,team-led, like happy transition
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and alchemy and transformationfor Moonrising, of knowing that
I'm following what's in mygreatest and highest alignment,
and it's opening up the door forsomething new to come through
Moon Rising as well.
And so I'm just I'm I am reallyexcited about it.
And yeah, I'm excited to seewhat's coming next.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:18):
I am too.
I am too.
And I think it I feel that it'sit's a great invitation for
those who are listening tofollow their own intuition and
their own guidance and to setfear aside, you know, when
there's something that's callingon your heartstrings that's
really opening you up because,like you were saying, there can
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be a lot of fear andtransitioning.
And um, you know, for me, juston a personal note, when I was
transitioning from my careerinto being a full-time
practitioner and owning my ownbusiness and to and you know,
working with Moon Rising, butalso in my own of my own
practice and everything, it tooka lot.
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And it took me a good what year,year and a half to do that.
But there was things I had toclose down energetically,
emotionally, mentally, all ofit, you know.
And so I'm really happy that ourour audience gets to witness
that within you because I thinkfor a lot of people, they do,
they just need to see somebodywho's doing it, right?
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And if you don't have anyone,well, here it is now.
Like we're offering that hereright now to say, look, somebody
can transition from a bigposition and follow their own
hearts and and see where they'reled to go.
And I love that.
And I'm excited to see what yourjourney is and how it unfolds,
and how it unfolds for everyone,but definitely to witness where
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you're headed.
SPEAKER_00 (20:46):
Yeah, yeah.
And and like you said, it itreally is.
I think there's there's part ofme that was so defiant when I
finally made the choice.
Cause it's like I've I've beengetting the little nudges all
year and these little signs andand little whispers from the
universe about, hey, you know,it's it's time to start thinking
about it.
It's time to start making yourown path forward and and
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thinking about that transition.
And and I just kept going, no,no, no.
Like I we're doing suchincredible work.
I love my team, I love what weteach, I love what we do.
And and it's so interestingbecause I was sitting there, I
was reflecting about this theother day and thinking about how
it's so indicative of the waythat we make big changes overall
in our world today.
It's never the the main questionis usually never, is this what I
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want to do?
It's has it gotten bad enoughthat I need to leave?
You know what I mean?
And and thinking about how wouldthe way that we show up, the way
that we make decisions, how ourlives look, look different if
instead of asking, you know,well, but is it really bad
enough that I need to make thechange, instead of asking that,
ask like, is it going to besupportive?
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Is it in alignment?
What is my intuition calling meto?
And so there was there was thislittle part of me that was kind
of defiant when I finally waslike, okay, fine, universe,
we'll we'll take the leap, we'lldo the thing.
I'm listening to the nudgebecause I don't, I want to live
in a world where that's how wemake decisions.
I want to live in a world wherepeople get to follow their
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intuitions and life does get tofeel magical.
And when you get the signs fromthe universe, instead of sitting
there going, well, but what if,and maybe and maybe not, and you
go, okay, I can trust that.
I can feel supported in that.
And there's so much of me thisyear that has felt so lost, not
at all because of moon rising,but just because of everything
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happening in my personal life.
It's been a really heavy yearfor me.
And there are so many pieces ofme that have been longing for
that feeling of being supported,of by the universe, of feeling
like I can't, you know, to useChristine's phrase, I can't fuck
it up, you know, and and andjust having that sense of like
trust and surrender andalignment and personal power and
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magic and all of these thingsthat I used to be so connected
to.
And I had a moment a few weeksago where it really just hit me
again, like I say it to studentsall the time, but it really just
hit me that those things aren'tgoing to happen unless we make
the choices that let them in.
And because of all of theanxiety that I've had, because
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of how heavy the year has been,I've just been holding on and
trying to hold on tighter andtighter and tighter to things,
just because, you know, yourmind goes into survival mode,
your nervous system goes intosurvival mode.
And it's like if I can just holdon a little tighter, if I can
just, you know, stick it out alittle longer, if I can just
make it better, then it'll allwork out, then it'll all fall
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into place.
And it's like the tighter I'mholding on to things, the less
I'm letting in, and the lessopportunity can flow, and the
less the energy can flow, andthe less my intuition can
actually say, hey, but look,that magic that you're looking
for, it's not in this thingyou're holding on to, it's over
here.
But you're I can't, I couldn'tsee that until I was able to sit
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back and go, okay, you knowwhat?
It might be scary, it might feeloverwhelming, it might not make
logical sense.
But what is my intuition tellingme?
What is the universe telling me?
What is in alignment with myvalues and where I want my life
to go and how I want to shapeit?
And can I take a minute to havethat sense of personal power
brought back in and just letmyself imagine for a minute?
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And it was really interestinghow difficult it was just to let
myself sit and think like if Iput it all to the side, if I let
go of the what ifs, if I let goof the fears or the worries
about being judged or making thewrong decision or all of these
things, if I just let that goand I tune in for five minutes,
what comes up?
What is the vision?
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What is the dream?
And knowing that that dream thatmy intuition has for me right
now, it is about writing and itis about having more time to be
present with my family.
And it is about teaching some ofthe things that have been
bubbling up that are outside ofwhat we usually teach at
Moonrising and things like that,where just knowing that that
shift happened.
And it it was a little wake-upcall from my mind that at some
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point that shift happened and mymind didn't notice it.
You know what I mean?
It was at the start of thisyear, I was so aligned.
Moonrising was absolutelyexactly what I was meant to be
doing.
And at some point over the last10 months, it shifted.
And my mind was trying so hardto hold on to, but this is what
we know.
This is good.
We're doing good work.
I love my team.
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I love these things.
Let's just hold on to it alittle bit longer and a little
bit tighter.
And maybe the universe will stopwhispering that there's
something else over here I'msupposed to look at, you know?
And and I did.
I just had that wake-up call afew weeks ago where it was like,
no, you know what?
This isn't this way of living,even though this way of living
is teaching shamanism and havinga spiritual podcast.
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And it's it's all of the rightthings, right?
It's not what I'm supposed to bedoing anymore.
It's not what my intuition iscalling me to.
It's it's there's something elsethat I'm being guided to.
And even though this one wasabsolutely incredible and
exactly what I was supposed tobe doing, and I'm so incredibly
proud of what we've created overthe last six months, six months,
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six years that I've been workingwith with Christine and then
with you, like it's absolutelyincredible.
And I think that made it so mucheasier for my mind to try and
hold on to it a little bitlonger and say, but look, it's
so perfect.
Like it's it's all wrapped up ina bow.
It's it and and just making thatchoice and and giving my mind
the space to say, okay, but whatif in a good way?
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You know, what if I did let allof it go?
What if I did listen to what wasin alignment?
And it's it's really honestlykind of fascinating, all of the
ways that things have justfallen into place since I made
the decision to let go andfollow my intuition.
And I was actually tellingChantal before the call
something that has just made myheart really, really happy is in
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July of this year, around thetime that I first started
really, really getting clear onwhat the whispers of the
universe were were telling me todo, I lost my engagement ring
and I could not find it.
I searched for it everywhere.
I had students trying to tune inand figure out where it was.
I had Christine looking, like,could not find it.
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It's been missing for three anda half months.
And this morning, as I got readyfor this podcast, as I got ready
to make the announcement, it wasjust sitting on the floor in my
living room.
And it it's one of those whereit's like, it was absolutely not
there.
My husband and I would havewalked over it 20 times if it
was sitting there.
And it it was just such, it wasjust such a beautiful
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confirmation to any little lastbits in my mind that we're
trying to hold on of no, theuniverse, the universe has got
you, you know?
And I think one of the thingsthat I'm remembering from the
start of this year, with thatpart of me that was just kind of
longing and feeling hollow, is Iwas really longing for
synchronicities to come back.
Like I remember thinking that mylife used to be so full of
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synchronicities.
It'd be like five a day,something magical would happen.
And and I just haven't felt likethat for the last few months.
But since I've made, since I'vemade space in my life for my
intuition to actually talk tome, since I've started listening
to what my nervous system needs,since I've started envisioning,
well, what is next?
What is coming?
What if I held space for magicin life?
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The synchronicities, likefinding my ring again, have just
come flooding back.
And it's just been such a reallybeautiful confirmation for the
parts of my mind that we'rereally afraid of.
You know, what if it's justgone?
What if the magic isn't there?
What if this is the wrongdecision?
All of these fears that so manyof my friends or students or our
community members are expressingabout making their own big
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choices and decisions and shiftsand following their intuition.
And I really do hope thatmoments like this and the
examples that, you know, Chantaland I are bringing forward can
be as much of a balm for theparts of you that have those
fears as as they have been forme and the parts of me that was
really feeling all of that, andknowing that I'm I'm so just
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incredibly amazed at the waythat the universe comes through
and and your intuition can guideyou into exactly what you need,
even if it's never what yourmind would have imagined for
you, you know.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (29:10):
You know, synchronicities are um they
really do show you where youralignment is.
So if you're someone who does,if you are in alignment, there's
a lot of synchronicities thatcome forward.
And if you're aware of them andyou're awake to them, you notice
them, you pick them up.
And and so there's not a lot ofinterpretation to it.
(29:32):
It's simply things like that,like a lost ring shows up, you
know, the right numbers, theright song, the right
conversation, the thoughts, thedownloads, the messages of
energy that show up.
And then when we step out ofalignment and those things start
to fade away, that's a veryclear note of hey, you're not
paying attention right now.
You've got you've veered off farenough to where spirit can no
(29:55):
longer really show you that youare in alignment, that those
synchronicities aren't showingup.
And so it's important for us totune into that.
You know, last week I Itraveled.
I went to, so I'm in Californiaand I flew to um Georgia for a
wedding and then I flew toMissouri and then flew back to
California.
(30:16):
And it was a trip.
It it literally like I was onfive flights in two days and
traveling by car for many hoursand then flying back home,
missed my flight.
I was in the airport for like 12hours.
It was ridiculous.
And you know, the part of what Irealized out there is that our
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spiritual world, in my world, Iit's all spiritual.
Everyone I work with, we're allin alignment to this thought,
this way of living, theknowings.
And then when I got out there, Irealized there's a lot more
people asleep than there areawake.
A lot of just everydayconversations, uh, driving down
the road, as beautiful as ourworld is, because it really is,
(31:00):
and I was in some amazing,beautiful places.
But I could see the matrix, Icould see the layers of what is.
You know, when we aren'tconnected to the divinity, if
we're not connected to theearth, if we're not connected to
our higher self, you really cansee what the matrix is all about
(31:22):
and the shadows of the world andthe shadows of people and what's
happening, like whether it's theeclipse or whether it's energy
showing up, or you know,conspiracy theories or not, or
truths or lies, or whatever weare surrounded by right now in
the world.
If we aren't tuned intoourselves and our inner voice,
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we really can get sucked andtrapped into a world that is
more false than this, you know,like this to me is the truth of
what is trying to be revealed.
That's working so hard, likeyou're saying, the bubbling up,
the coming to the surface.
And we need to listen to ourinner voice and what is it
saying?
(32:06):
Where is it guiding us?
Where is it leading us?
Where is it taking us?
Even if it's like, you know,you're saying five years ago you
got you had some spark ofinspiration, but then January
you do a vision quest, which isin the shamanic realm.
Yes, amazing because that's whatyou're seeking.
You're saying, okay, universe, Iam ready for this and I'm gonna
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go on this quest, and I'm opento whatever the outcome is,
right?
And then the outcome starts toshow up, and what does our mind
do?
It's like that restrictiveenergy, and it's like, no.
And when you were talking, I wasvisualizing the abominable
snowman with Daffy Duck, andhe's like, and I'm gonna love
you, I'm gonna pet you, I'mgonna hold you, and then and
then he like passes out and heloved it, he smothered it so
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much that it dissipates.
And so that's what I was youknow, it's like the mind can
smother things from existing,you know?
And it's really it's wonderfulto watch it.
I was talking to my husband thisweekend, and there's a lot of
change, like I said, in my lifecoming.
And he's like, you keep askingfor change.
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He goes, and then it's here, andthen you want to resist it.
And I'm like, you know what?
It's like, okay, man, you know,I get it.
And I really sat with that, andI and he's right, he's right.
And so when when theopportunities come for us to
really listen and tune into ourinner voice, we can't resist
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what shows up because we're theones asking for it.
We're the ones who are aligningourselves to meet the universe,
to meet spirit, to say, okay,what do you have for me now?
You know, and being on thisplanet for 51 years almost, I
can say that there's definitelya lot of ebb and flow in life,
and a lot of closing doors andopening new ones and closed
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opportunities and newopportunities and new groups of
people.
And, you know, it really is inthe flow.
And and so when people look atmy life and they they see, you
know, my home and my life, andthis, and they're all just like,
God, it's just so like they seea vision for themselves and me.
I'm in flow to where I couldsay, pack it up, let's go.
(34:14):
What's next?
Right?
Am I ready for that right now?
No.
But I know when that momentcomes, I'm okay to be free.
And I think sometimes we're justafraid to be free.
Yeah.
And to gain that and to claimthat freedom in ourselves and to
say, because I am a truebeliever that you know, we're
living this lifetime right now,and and whatever we're meant to
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do, we need to do it.
And the old teachings of youjust work your nine to five
until you retire at 65, and thenyou got your 10 years of living
when you're old.
No, I don't believe in that.
Live it now, like truly live itnow and embrace it now.
It's important.
SPEAKER_00 (34:54):
Yeah.
And I love that.
And and you're right, you know,it's it's there, there is that
part of me that's been saying,like, oh, I want the
synchronicities back, I want themagic back, I want the, you
know, that feeling like I'mconnected to my intuition and
that I'm on track with thosevisions that I have and I'm
excited about what I'm doing andfeeling like there's, you know,
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all of these next steps andexciting things coming my way.
And and then here it is.
Here's the opportunity to stepout of that box, to let the mind
take a backseat and really trustthe intuition.
And and I'm just, I'm constantlyamazed by how powerful this work
is.
Because, like you're saying,it's it really is noticing, you
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know, do you havesynchronicities in your life?
Can you hear your intuition?
Are you willing to go with theflow?
And if the answer is no to allor any of those, then there's
there's something deeper thatyour soul is trying to get you
to see, that the universe istrying to get you to see.
And and this year has just beena big year for me of really
(36:00):
looking at the things that mymind hasn't wanna look, hasn't
wanted to look at for a whileand really taking the time and
and saying, I keep joking withwith my husband that, you know,
this is just the year where I'mjust doing the things.
I'm looking at the things thatmy mind has been scared of.
I'm making the decisions thatare in alignment, even if they,
(36:21):
you know, make my mind a littleafraid.
I'm I'm doing the things becauseI don't want the life that feels
like that, you know, monotone,monochrome, nine to five, retire
when you're 65 and that's it.
But that's not the world.
That's not the life that I wantto live in.
I want a life that feels magicaland vibrant and inflow and
(36:42):
surprising and like anadventure.
And in order to have a life thatlooks like that, I've got to
make the decisions that are inalignment with it, you know?
And I think it just goes back towhat we were saying earlier of
knowing can you connect withyour intuition?
Can you trust your body whenit's telling you this is a yes,
this is a no, this is aboundary, this isn't?
Knowing when that's beencrossed, what you need to do to
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put those in place so that youfeel safe.
And then also your values, youknow, what do you want life to
feel like?
What do you want out of life?
What do you want this one wildand precious life that you have
in this body with this mind?
What do you want it to be like?
And then can you make thedecisions that are in alignment
with that?
And it's so, it sounds sosimple.
(37:25):
And that doesn't mean that it's,you know, easy.
It's certainly been hours andhours and hours of processing
and working through and holdingspace and clearing energy and
all of it.
But it's it really is incrediblewhen you can use those as your
GPS.
It it really helps the mind geton board with it a little more
and make space for it.
(37:46):
And just knowing that the lifethat you want to live means that
you have to make the choicesthat are in alignment with that
life, even if it feels like it'sshaking things up a bit, you
know?
SPEAKER_02 (37:58):
Yeah.
And we've all been there, youknow, we've all been there.
There's always a transition inour lives.
It's just how do we embrace it?
How do we walk the walk, youknow, and not just talk it?
And how do we show up forourselves?
And and I think it's importantto know and to recognize it
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because at the end of the day,at the end of this life
experience, the only one thatyou have is you, right?
I mean, we are surrounded by ourloved ones, we're surrounded by
the people in our life, but atthe end, it's our journey.
And if we're not happy in ourjourney, we need to make it
happy, we need to shift it, weneed to say, okay, am I stuck in
grief?
(38:39):
Am I stuck in sadness?
Am I just stuck in being likemediocre or just stagnant?
Or am I ready to go and andventure life and experience,
whatever that looks like?
You know, it's different foreveryone.
Um, you know, for me, it's likeI have a million ideas all the
time, all the time.
I am I download all the time onideas for this and ideas for
(39:04):
that, moneymakers for this,moneymakers for that, you know,
buying land, opening business.
Like I have so much.
And sometimes I'm like, I ask,you know, my guides and stuff,
why do I get so many, but yetI'm not guided to go do them
all, you know, or the team isn'tput together or whatever it is.
But I think it's because I justbring in ideas and I share them,
(39:25):
and wherever there's meant toplant, they plant.
And whoever hears them, hearsthem.
And if that's maybe for themversus for me, you know.
Um and that's okay too.
I think that we just need to getinto this place within ourselves
that fear isn't the primaryemotion that we feel, that we
live by, right?
(39:45):
It's it really I think that fearhas had its place, and it's time
to let fear go to sleep a littlebit.
Like, go take a nap, you know.
Like, let me just be happy for awhile, let me like enjoy life,
let me embrace what is, let mebe embodied and fully embody
this life experience.
And I think that when we can dothat, when we can know it's
(40:08):
there, like fear can be likethis, but if we can create this
little piece over here that'sfear and know it's there, or our
anxiety, our stress, oreverything's right there, but it
isn't how we create our life,life is fuller.
You can always pull fear fearback out, you can always
re-expand that energy and thenre-collapse it.
But it's knowing that we havethe power to do that, that we
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have the ability to do it.
And what if, what if likestepping out of our comfort zone
becomes the best thing we'veever done?
But if that aligns us to all theright people and all the right
choices and chances andopportunities, but if we sit in
that fear-based energy, nothingcan come because we've blocked
it.
We've said, nope, I'm notavailable to anything or change
(40:54):
because I'm too fearful of it.
And the universe is gonna say,yeah, don't give that to them
because they're not ready.
We'll come back around.
And that's where that cycle is.
You know, how long do we have tobe in that cycle before we
realize it's time to shift andmove out of it, right?
And as I'm preparing for myarchetype class to start on
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Thursday, you know, I've beensitting in a lot of thought with
soul contracts and their soul'spurpose and and what our like
energetic like archetypes areall about.
And dude, I can't even say howpowerful it is.
You know, I just I can't.
And I wish that people reallyunderstood the wisdom that comes
(41:36):
from the teachings that are hereand the teachings that we
provide in our personal life andin our platform and all of it,
but because it's life-changingand it can really expand our
experience.
And right now I think thatyou're you're absolutely walking
that.
SPEAKER_00 (41:55):
Yeah.
And you know, the other thing toadd to that is knowing that fear
can also be a not a stop sign,but just a sign that you're at
the boundary of who you were andwhere you could go.
You know, it's it's really fearhappens at the edge of your
comfort zone.
And one of the most empoweringshifts that I have made in the
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last two years, I would say, isreally starting to look at fear
not as a stop sign, not as asign that you're doing something
wrong or that it's all gonnafall apart or that everything's
gonna go wrong, but really as asign that, hey, this is just so
you know, you're at the edge.
You're at the edge of who you'vebeen.
And making this choice is gonnaturn you into someone new.
It's gonna shift your life in anew direction, it's gonna push
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you outside of your comfortzone.
Are you ready?
You know?
And so I've really startedlooking at fear as an
opportunity to reflect on am Iready?
Do I feel prepared?
Can I trust those instincts thatI have?
Can I trust the skills that Ihave?
Can I trust my strength, my flowto keep me moving forward, to
support me even when I'm out ofmy comfort zone, you know?
(43:01):
And and really from that space,becoming really grateful for
fear because it really is thisinvitation to reflect on look at
how far you've come.
Are you ready to go a little bitfurther?
And what if taking that nextstep is, like you said, the
thing that's going to changeeverything?
And I keep saying to my husband,you know, what?
Because he he also quit his jobearlier this year.
(43:22):
It's been a big, big year oftransition for both of us.
And I keep looking at him andgoing, what if we say that this
is the year that everythingshifted?
That because we made the choicesthat felt big, that felt a
little scary, but that we'reultimately in alignment and what
life was calling us to, that wedid it anyway, in spite of the
fear that this is the year thateverything changed.
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And and everything just, youknow, we look back at man, 2025.
It was hard in the moment, butI'm so grateful we did it
because look what's happenedfrom there.
And that's I can feel thatenergy and that excitement in
this transition.
And I'm just, I'm really excitedto see what happens next and
what does happen now that I'veI've really truly taken the
(44:03):
leap.
There is no going back, there isno giving my mind control again,
you know.
It's I sat down with myintuition the other day and was
like, okay, okay, we'll we'llmake the decision, we'll take
the leap, but you've got toguide me through it.
You've got to show me the nextsteps, you've got to keep me
moving forward.
And I'm I can feel like thetingles in my body at the idea
(44:24):
of like, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm soready to go back to living life,
truly 100% following myintuition.
Because even though the mind canlike you to think that you're
doing that, you know, it's soeasy to just little by little
start giving the mind controlagain.
And I'm just really excited tolet it let go of control for a
(44:45):
little bit and watch whathappens and watch what it
unfolds.
SPEAKER_02 (44:49):
Yeah, that definitely is the alchemized
version of fear, and you know,because a lot of people get
trapped in it.
And I love that you're able tosee the fear like that from the
other perspective of it, becausethere is a lot of people that
they think like stepping intothat, that's the illusion.
And it's like, no, that's notthe illusion, that is the truth.
You know, it's the spectrum ofdoing the opposite of what fear
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brings in or anxiety.
Those are very importantemotions to feel, but not to
live by, you know, at leastthat's how I see them.
Like, let it be that nudgingemotion that says it's time to
move.
Like you said, it's on the edgeof it.
But when you get trapped in itand it holds you in space,
(45:33):
that's where I think, like,okay, now let's alchemize that.
Let's step into our power beyondwhat it is.
And know that when we areseeing, because there's, you
know, we have a comment of like,you know, when you see
synchronicities and stuff, isthat the illusion?
And that's the mind wanting totell you it's an illusion
because it wants to pull youback in.
You're opening up because whenthe third eye starts opening up
(45:55):
and the intuition starts openingup, you start raising your
vibration to a level ofawareness that is beyond the
earth chakras of fear and beingrooted in the earth.
And you know, when we startbringing our energies up and you
have this greater awareness,it's like, oh, but the brain
does want to pull you back inand say, hold on, let's come on
(46:15):
back down.
Remember that we're we'refearful of that.
And so it is important to alignourselves when it's time and we
know when it is.
You know, you start to feel it.
It's for me too.
It's like the the nudges thathappen.
I received a message thismorning for someone that I woke
up at 4:30 in the morning andhad to text them and say, uh
(46:36):
sorry, it's early, but beforethis message leaves, just so you
know, because I've I've learnedto trust when the messages come
through, they're not for me tohold.
You know, they're not me for meto gatekeep.
I gotta give give them whereverthey need to go.
And so it was something I couldhave held on to, possibly, but
is it a message I might haveforgot or lost, you know?
(46:59):
And so, yeah, there's just thosenudges that happen, even if it's
at 4 30 in the morning, you'relike, sorry for the early text,
but just so you know, this iswhat I receive for you.
Um but again, following theintuition and let's see what
comes from that, you know.
And she might wake up andreceived a message that she
needed to hear today, you know,and so it really is like I said,
(47:23):
walking the walk and being onour journey and embracing the
vision in which you're puttingforward of I want to live in my
intuition.
And for me, most of the time, Ido.
I follow my intuition, I followenergy.
Energy is everything to me.
So it's like people thinksometimes, like, oh, it's it's
(47:45):
fantasies.
No, it's not, it's the realityof, you know, if you're not in
it and you don't feel it, it'sjust on on the other side of
your veil, it's right there.
It's just tapping into it, it'sallowing yourself to trust and
to open up to what is and thepossibilities that are there.
SPEAKER_00 (48:05):
Absolutely.
And so, with with all of thatsaid, I would be so incredibly
grateful and thrilled andhonored to see you all with me
on this next part of thejourney.
I will, of course, still beactive in the Moonrising
Shamanic Mystics Facebook group.
And there may be potentials forcollaborations in the future.
(48:26):
So my face isn't going away, butmy role in Moonrising as a
company is shifting.
And I'm really so excited towatch and see what happens as
Chantelle and Christine continueto hold space for Moonrising and
watch it unfold.
And I will be in the MoonrisingFacebook group and keeping you
(48:47):
guys updated, but I would alsobe so thrilled to see you guys
in the Gateway House of Healingside of things so that you can
walk this journey with me, walkwith me as we find out what the
universe have in store for thisvision that it gave me five
years ago and what does happenwhen you take the leap and make
all of your decisions from yourintuition.
(49:07):
And I know that so many of youhave been following along with
my writing and my sharing thisyear.
And so if you're interested inreceiving more of that, all of
that is coming soon throughGateway House of Healing as
well.
So I'm going to put the websitein the chat in the show notes.
It's justgatewayhouseofhealing.com.
Right now, it is a coming soonpage where you can subscribe to
(49:30):
the newsletter.
But by next, the end of nextweek, October 17th, I'm hoping
to have everything up andpublished, as that'll be the
official date that I'm fullytransitioning away from Moon
Rising and stepping down from myrole as director and teacher and
alchemist.
And so by October 17th, it willbe fully functioning and live.
(49:51):
But I would be, I would bethrilled to have you join the
newsletter.
When you go to the website andyou click the button to join the
newsletter, you'll become asubscriber and be the first to
know when the website getspublished, when the podcast
comes out, when the books areavailable and the Substack is
published and all of the newexciting things that are
happening.
And I'll be sending out regular,regular updates and writings and
(50:13):
essays and just all of thethings to keep you guys updated
and just really stepping intothis next phase of what's
lighting me up, what my soul iscalling me to.
And I'm just so excited to keepsharing and hopefully keep
sharing it with all of youbecause every single one of you
who's listening, who's seeingthis is has been such a huge
(50:36):
part of not only Moonrising'scommunity, but also of my
personal journey.
And I know that I would not bethe person, the teacher, the
writer, any of it that I amtoday without all of you and
without the opportunity to walkwith you and share space with
you and hear your stories andyour wins and your shares.
And so I would love to continueto engage with you, have you be
part of the community as well.
(50:58):
So know that we have uh I have aFacebook group as well.
So for those of you who join usin the Moonrising Shamanic
Mystics Facebook group, you canalso join me in the Gateway
Facebook group as well.
I'm also on Instagram, I'm onTikTok now, which is kind of
exciting.
And then, like I said, I havethat newsletter.
And if you do only one thingfrom all of those, I would love,
love, love to see you on thenewsletter because it will be
(51:19):
just kind of the hub of keepingup with me and what I'm doing
and receiving all of the updatesand getting, you know, special
offers on when the courses openand when writings are available
and all of that.
So I would really love to seeyou guys there.
Like I said, I'll put that linkin the chat.
And and I do just want to onceagain just express my extreme,
(51:39):
profound gratitude for all ofyou and for Moon Rising and for
what it's going to become andfor having a community that
holds space for this kind oftransformation and this kind of
transition.
You know, I think there are somany, like Chantel was saying,
there's so many circles in theworld where if you said, Well, I
quit my job because my intuitiontold me to, they'd be like,
(52:00):
What?
What do you mean you quit yourjob?
You know?
And I love that we have acommunity here where that is not
only like, oh yeah, no, I getthat, but it can also be a
celebration and it can be areally sacred thing because I
think we we all need a littlebit more of that sacred magic in
our lives.
And I'm really, really sograteful to have the opportunity
to open up that space in my lifeand see see what fills it and
(52:22):
also still be able to hold spaceand support and and watch what
Chantel does and what Christinedoes and what Moonrising becomes
and just just all of it.
I'm really, really excited forall of the transitions.
And of course, like I said, I'mI'm still gonna be part of the
community.
I would love to receive amessage from you if you have
questions, if you want to checkin, all of the things you can
message me on Facebook.
(52:42):
Um, or like I said, you can jointhat newsletter and message me
through through Gateway House ofHealing.
And I just can't wait to keepconnecting and keep sharing and
see what comes next.
SPEAKER_01 (52:53):
Okay, awesome, beautiful.
It really is.
It really is.
SPEAKER_02 (52:59):
And I know that we're gonna continue to watch
you and you're gonna be here andyou'll come back and you know,
visit and put some of yourwisdom around here as well.
So definitely looking forward toall of that.
And yeah.
Beautiful.
Just sending so much love toyour journey moving forward.
And yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (53:20):
Thank you.
I'm I'm so grateful and I'm soexcited.
And and like I said, watch thepodcast next week where we'll be
doing a group celebration andtransition and coming together
to really celebrate what anincredible journey it's been for
Moonrising and and close outthis chapter.
But until then, thank you all somuch for listening, for showing
(53:41):
up, for supporting, for joiningthe newsletter and continuing to
connect with me as I moveforward.
And I'm just so excited to seewhat comes next for me and for
all of you listening and forMoonrising.
And until next time, may youawaken to the whispers of wisdom
rising from within.
Bye everyone.
Bye, everyone.
See you later.
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