February 17, 2025 • 51 mins
Ready to transform your understanding of life's challenges and embrace your divine purpose? Join us on the Wisdom Rising podcast as we unlock the mysteries of Soul Contracts!
Discover how these pre-life agreements shape our experiences and provide a compassionate lens through which to view life's hardships. By understanding the relationship between free will and these spiritual pacts, we illuminate how even the most difficult experiences can be powerful opportunities for growth and resilience.
In this episode, we cover:
• Explanation of soul contracts as pre-incarnation agreements
• Distinction between soul perspective and human emotion
• Role of free will in navigating life experiences
• Personal reflection exercises to uncover soul contracts
• Impact of one individual's contracts on collective growth
• Series of events and challenges reshaped through the lens of purpose
• Encouragement to embrace life experiences for personal expansion
• Call to action for ongoing engagement in exploring deeper insights
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine René,
isabel Wells and Chantelle Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.
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Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and
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balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Wisdom Rising podcast.
In today's episode, I am goingto dive into soul contracts with
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our moon rising mystic, chantelOchoa.
This is really Chantel's happyplace to play when it comes to
spirituality, becauseunderstanding our soul contracts
allows us to come into a morecompassionate understanding of
how we can learn and grow inthis lifetime.
Soul contracts can help to givea sense of meaning to what we
experience in life the good, thebad and otherwise and in
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today's conversation we'rediving into all of the ins and
outs of what soul contracts are,how we can view them from both
a spiritual and philosophical,but also a psychological
perspective and howunderstanding our soul contracts
can really help us completelytransform the way that we
approach our life and ourmindset.
This is definitely an episodeyou won't want to miss, and it's
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a special episode today becauseChantel will be teaching a
four-week masterclass on soulcontracts starting in March.
We're really excited toannounce that we have a new
series of four-week masterclasson soul contracts starting in
March.
We're really excited toannounce that we have a new
series of four-weekmasterclasses that we are
creating just for our MoonRising community.
These four-week masterclassesare going to cover a range of
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topics, and our first one divesinto soul contracts and is led
by Chantel.
This class will be taking placefor four weeks on Tuesdays at 4
pm Pacific time, 7 pm Easterntime, and the first class is on
March 11th.
In this masterclass, you willlearn all about how to wake up
to unity, consciousness, whatsoul contracts and soul families
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are, how to empower yourself byunderstanding soul contracts.
Introduce yourself toarchetypical guides and the role
they play in your life.
Learn how to recognize and mapyour soul contracts.
Introduce yourself toarchetypical guides and the role
they play in your life.
Learn how to recognize and mapyour soul contracts in this
lifetime and learn valuablesteps for personal growth and
collective healing.
This four-week masterclass isnow open for enrollment for only
$288 US for the energy exchange, so that you can join Chantel
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weekly.
Live on Zoom again at 4 pmPacific time, 7 pm Eastern time,
on Tuesdays, starting on March11th.
This is the first masterclassthat we have in our new series
and I hope that you will enjoy.
If you love today's episode andyou want us to dive in even
deeper, this class is afantastic place to start.
Again.
That link is in the show notes.
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In addition, if you have beeninterested in joining us for our
Gateway to Spirit book club, weare really excited to announce
that we are finally starting ourfirst 2025 book club.
Starting next Wednesday,february 26th, at 4 pm Pacific
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discuss this month's book clubpick braiding sweetgrass by
robin wall kimmerer.
This is an absolutely fantasticbook that I personally am on my
third read through of and I amso excited to be diving into it
with you all.
Book club will meet four times,but, unlike other book clubs
that we've done in the past,this time we're only going to be
meeting every other weekbecause this book has a lot of
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in between meetings to be ableto read and absorb the
information.
So, with that said, we'll bemeeting for our first meeting
next Wednesday, february 26th,at 4 pm Pacific time, 7 pm
Eastern time, to discuss thefirst chapter of Braiding
Sweetgrass.
From there, we'll meet everyother week for four meetings, so
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that will be March 12th, march26th, april 9th, and that will
be our final meeting.
We are so excited to dive intobook club.
We've had so many requests fromthe community for us to pick
this back up again, so we are soexcited to answer that request
and come back together for thisbook club.
Please note that this timearound, as we are offering so
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today's episode.
Welcome, welcome to anotheramazing conversation.
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I am joined today with ChantelOchoa, our Moon Rising Mystic,
and we are diving into allthings soul contracts, and this
is really Chantel's happy place,her passion point.
I love hearing her talk aboutthis, so I'm going to let her
kick us off today and I'mexcited to see where this
conversation takes us.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Thank, you and good morning everyone.
So soul contracts definitely issomething that I really enjoy,
and not just teaching anddiscussing all the different
elements of soul contracts, butit was also a big awakening
moment in my life when it cameinto my awareness, and so I had
kind of always heard a littlebit about soul contracts and
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different things, and then whenit really hit it was like, oh my
gosh, yes, that is how it is.
It's not that we are just thesehumans here and there's nothing
beyond, or that we don't haveany plan of action before we
come in.
And so the whole purpose andthe whole concept of soul
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contracts is that when we are inour soul body, we come together
with our spiritual team, wecome together with families and
friends and, like soul, our soulcommunity, our soul family, and
so we discuss what our mission,what our purpose in life will
be, what we're here to learn,and so with that we create these
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contracts with different soulmembers that become our parents,
our family, our children, ourfriends, our enemies, our
lessons in life, and so when youcan see the pattern of how like
soul contracts are in your life, it's so powerful because I
feel like it gives you like thisempowering part of yourself
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where you can say you know what,if I did it there, if I planned
it there, I can move through ithere and so it's just for me,
it's just was really eye opening.
And so with that you can learnfrom Carolyn Miss or Mace I'm
not quite sure how shepronounces her last name, but I
think it's Carolyn Miss and shehas soul contracts, and so with
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that you can definitely checkout her book and plug in there
with why we do soul contracts,how they show up the benefit of
it and what we're doing like ona soul level.
And so it really is kind ofcoming to this roundtable of
discussion and what it is thatyou want to experience.
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So remember, on a soul levelwe're not attached to emotion.
So this is a big crown chakrapoint of view, right, A soul
point of view, where when we'relooking at the different lives
that we can take on and thedifferent experiences we can go
through, there's no emotionattached to it.
So a soul can take on a hugecontract where there's
disability, there's sickness,there's, you know, experiencing
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death, there's experiencingaccidents and you know poverty,
and there's so many differentaspects in a soul contract that
we can take on right, and that'sbecause the soul is like I want
to elevate, I want to move upin dimensions or frequency or
whatever it is that the soul isdoing and wanting what their
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goal set is, and so, on aspectrum of life experiences.
As a soul, we get to choose that.
And then the souls that love usenough you know they love us
they come forward and they sayokay, I want to play your mom, I
want to play your father, Iwant to be your son, your
daughter, your best friend, theone that hurts you.
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You know, like there's ameeting in life where you come
together and so say there's anaccident in your life.
Let's just say that, right,Well, in that contract, the
driver versus you comes togetherat some pivot, some point in
life and that lets them learnwhat they need to learn as well
as you need to learn what youneed to learn.
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And that's just a very simpleexample of what we come here to
do.
But as we move through thisconversation, we're going to
have some deeper ones, because Ireally loved to point out
certain soul contracts andthroughout history that you can
go oh my gosh, that's huge yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I love that and I love this as a starting point
for this conversation, becausethere are I think there are kind
of two camps of people when itcomes to soul contracts.
There's people who haveabsolutely never heard of this
concept before, and so the ideaof soul contracts and I'd love
to start with this camp ofpeople who've never heard of it
and kind of boil it down intothis core definition and see
(10:36):
what you think about mydefinition here.
So for someone who's never heardof soul contracts, we can kind
of think of the fact that whenwe're not embodied, right, our
human form is not our full form.
We are souls, we are thosepieces of the divine, and when
we choose to incarnate, when wechoose to come to earth in what
Christine calls a human suit, weget to live a life and within
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that life our soul has madechoices or contracts for what we
will or won't experience orwhat we could experience.
I think that's an importantpart of contracts, right, that
they can be rewritten, but it'sthis idea that the soul has made
a choice for what will becontained within this human's
lifetime, for the growth anddevelopment of that soul.
So some of those things mightbe difficult, but it's because
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through those difficult growingpains is how we actually develop
and evolve.
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
because there's a lot of people that if you haven't
heard of soul contracts, or evenif you have that, it might not
resonate.
Because you're like, why wouldI choose this as a human right?
Why would I want to experiencethat?
But when you look at it fromthat perspective, you're really
looking at it from the humanperspective, through the lens of
a human, and so you have totake it to the next level, the
higher level, from your soulperspective, your higher self,
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and say, okay, yeah, maybe on ahigher level, I chose this
because there were certainpeople I needed to meet.
Or there was, like you say, likeyou come in and you have cancer
, but maybe there's a doctorthat's going to help you to cure
something or diagnose somethingor figure something out within
you because you have thatcontract, and then that has a
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huge impact on the collective,on the human society and all
that.
And so that's really what it is.
It's what are these two peopleor a group of people coming
together that is bringingawareness to the planet, is
bringing awareness to the planet?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
And so, within that, I think that brings us to, like
you mentioned, kind of thesecond group of people who have
heard about soul contracts, andeither they're totally on board,
it makes a lot of sense, itreally resonates, or there can
also be this tendency, like youshared, to have a little bit of
that.
Well, I wouldn't choose this,why would I call that into my
(13:04):
life?
And I love that idea that onthe soul level there aren't
emotions, because one of thethings that I really like
thinking about and I'm going toI'm going to take this
conversation from, like thereally traditional shamanic
perspective as well, because Ithink it adds an interesting
tint is that when we look atthings from a shamanic
perspective, or even just aspiritual perspective, when
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we're in that soul state, wedon't have an eye, there's not
an emotion, there's not a mind,there's not a this is good, this
is bad, this is right, this iswrong, this is negative, this is
positive, everything just is,and so it becomes a lot more.
We like to joke around thatduality is black and white, like
it's good or bad, it's positiveor negative, but it actually is
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a lot more black and white whenyou're a soul, because there
isn't that sense of good or bad,it just is what it is.
And so there's less emotionalintensity because there's no
emotional intensity, becauseyou're just looking at what is
going to roll forward with theenergy of the universe.
And I think this is where how Iunderstand soul contracts from a
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shamanic perspective.
Because from, like atraditional shamanic point of
view, the way that we see soulcontracts and the way that
Caroline Missy soul contractsisn't particularly necessarily
aligned with traditionalshamanic views, because from a
shamanic viewpoint there's neverthis, there's not a huge
impetus on personal soulevolution.
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It's always from theperspective of the collective.
So how is the collective goingto advance?
And what I love about thisconversation is we get to see
how both of those overlap.
Because I think I was talkingto a friend of mine the other
day who is a shamanicpractitioner and he was sharing
his thoughts on soul contractsand reincarnation and these
things and how, from a reallytruly traditional shamanic
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perspective those aren't a thing.
But when we look at them fromthe broader again, when we take
it to that crown chakra point ofview and we're not so caught up
in the details, but we'relooking at this crown chakra of
what's the idea here.
What's the thought and the ideais that there are certain
things, certain experiences thatneed to happen to progress,
either our growth or the growthof the collective right.
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And I think, whether we'retalking about this in the
context of soul contracts or theshaman's ladder and that cycle
of consciousness, or even justfrom a day-to-day life
perspective, I think we can, ifI invite everyone listening to
really think about what was anexperience in your life that was
really really difficult but,looking back, you're grateful it
happened because it made youthe person you are today.
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I think probably every singleperson that I've ever talked to
has an experience like that.
I can think of mine right now.
And when we look at it that way, it's this understanding that
from the human perspective yeah,that was hard right we could
even say from a root chakraperspective when we're looking
at the details, when we'rereally down on the earth, the
earth level, looking at how didit feel and who was involved and
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what were the emotions and thethoughts and the limiting
beliefs and the physical painand the limitations that got
placed on you and all of this,that was really really hard,
there's no denying that and whenwe can kind of zoom out and
come to that crown chakraperspective or that bigger
picture perspective where we'relooking at it through the eyes
of the divine or your higherself or your soul or your
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intuition or whatever resonatesfor you there, we can really see
that that situation yes, it washard.
That doesn't take away from thattruth.
But on the bigger perspective,it did make you who you are
today.
It did help you grow, it didhelp you evolve, and so I find
it really interesting that, evenjust on an interpersonal level
right, even if you're not woo orspiritual at all we kind of all
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have this understanding that,yeah, okay, I can see how that
would be true, I can see howthis situation really did help
me grow, and I love finding allthe ways that it's like okay, if
we take that idea, if we takethis understanding that that
really difficult situation, Ithink about friends of mine who
have gone through a divorce orwho had some kind of childhood
trauma, which is mine or whohave lost a job and went through
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a divorce, or who had some kindof childhood trauma, which is
mine or who have, you know, losta job and went through a really
difficult time of unemploymentor had really serious chronic
disease or things like this, andthey come out the other side
and they're like I am.
Because of that, because I hadto go through this process of
realizing how limited I actuallywas in that situation, how much
I was holding myself back anddenying myself and all of these
things, I am now so much morefree and so much more myself
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than I ever was at the beginning.
And I love that we can take thatidea and apply it to soul
contracts of what if that washappening, not just on the human
level, because life is hard andunfair, but because there's
actually this cosmic dance to ithappening, whether we want to
look at it from the soulcontract perspective of you and
your growth and evolution orfrom a more shamanic perspective
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of the growth and evolution ofa collective.
Thinking about when you wentthrough that situation, how much
did everybody else in your lifechange too as a result of that
catalyst?
It's a fascinating energeticpattern that we can see and I
like how there's that kind ofuniversality to it.
Of no matter which angle we'relooking at it from, there's
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clearly some kind of truth tothis idea that it's through
those hard things.
You know, there's that kind ofcliche saying, growth happens at
the edge of your comfort zone,and I like that we can kind of
go down the rabbit hole and seehow true that actually is.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, definitely, because when we can connect the
dots through our life and seelike you're talking about, you
know, if I didn't go throughthis I wouldn't be where I'm at
Right.
And there are a lot ofexperiences that we go through
that if we could turn back thetime, you know, change the clock
and all that kind of thing, andgo back, maybe we would want to
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change them.
But when you look at the biggerpicture, would you really?
Because a lot of times, whetherit's a job or it's a loss of a
loved one or it's a divorce, yougain more people experiences,
there's different things thatcome into your reality that
would not have happened if youdidn't experience that right.
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And so it is having that biggerpicture of life and saying in
the moment it was extremelydifficult, but now I can see why
I could have chosen that.
And then it brings in the freewill.
Right, because on the level offree will, yes, we have these
soul agreements, these soulcontracts that we come in with.
We have our soul family that wecome in with, okay, but at the
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same time, at any moment, wehave free will to change and
pivot from whatever it is.
So we have our soul alignmentthat we're, you know, going
through life doing our thing,and then all of a sudden we're
at the spork in the road and wemake a decision based off of
free will that maybe we don'twant to go down that road that
created trauma or may be moredifficult, so we pivot and take
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a different route.
Well, if that route createsmore lessons, more heartache,
more struggle, it's like ourspiritual team is not nudging us
back to the original path,right To keep us going to.
So we're learning what we'rehere to actually learn.
And so, when you see it too,it's like these detours in life
that we take that can createmore suffering, sometimes
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because we want to avoid what wethink will be painful.
You know, we predict things inour life Like if I create this,
if I make this decision, it'sgoing to create that.
And that's where you get intotimelines and different things
that we, you know, we createwithin our reality.
But it's all a part of thatoriginal soul agreement and
saying I'm going to come intolife to experience this, whether
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say it's an abusiverelationship or something, and
then you're going through yourlife with this abuser or this
like narcissism is such a bigthing right now with people like
I'm in this narcissisticrelationship.
But what are you learning?
There's a reason that person isin your life so you can learn
something from them, and itdoesn't mean that you need to be
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a victim.
It means that you learn how toempower yourself, to stand up,
to be strong, to say I'm donewith this.
And when you shift and you moveinto your consciousness and
awareness of I'm leaving thisrelationship, what happens is
the next one.
If you've learned from thatexperience, the next person in
your life won't be that, becauseyou'll see all the red flags,
you'll understand.
I've learned from thatexperience.
The next person in your lifewon't be that, because you'll
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see all the red flags, you'llunderstand.
I've learned from him or herand now I'm shifting this way,
and so your whole life takes awhole different change and turn.
And then next thing, you knowyou're living a completely
different lifestyle, a differentperspective, and your old life
becomes like it feels like it'sin a whole different book, right
, like a whole different actionof life, and so really it is us
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tuning in and seeing it, becausethen there's that silver lining
and I think that's really whatI take from it is what am I
meant to learn from whateverexperience I have gone through,
whatever it is that I'm being,I'm facing, and so from there
I'm like, okay, if I can see thesilver lining in it, then that
means I can move forward with abetter decision-making.
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I have a broader point of viewof why I'm going through what
I'm going through, instead ofsitting in the victim state of
it, which I have.
You know, we've all been inthat moment of why me and so I
find the empowering part of soulcontracts and agreements is to
say it isn't happening to me,it's happening for me.
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And when we can stand in thatstate of mind, then everything
starts to shift and you know youcan leave those relationships,
you know you can heal throughgrief, you know you can go find
a better job or you can makemore money or experience life in
a different way, because youstart to shift your perspective
from the victim to the warriorand to the empowered one and
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everything like that.
And that is what, for me,coming forward is like yes, I
will take that all day long, youknow, because I know I can make
decisions based off of thoseexperiences.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And that's such a powerful takeaway too, because I
think one of the things thatfor me, when I was learning
about soul contracts and I thinka lot of people have this
there's that feeling of like,yeah, it really resonates and
your mind hates it.
You know, your mind hates thatidea because, again, it's like
it's a little bit of thatfeeling of, well, I wouldn't
have chosen this.
And I think what you said Ikind of want to emphasize again
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that it really is, even thoughon the outset, right, it's the
situation, right, this maybeit's an abusive relationship or
a divorce, or again a period ofunemployment and illness,
whatever it is, for you it's notthe situation that you picked,
it's the opportunity that thatsituation creates.
So, like Chantal was saying, ifit's an abusive relationship
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that you experience in this life, it's not that your soul, right
, it's not you, it's not yourmind, it's not that your soul
came into that experience justto have that experience.
It came into that experience sothat it could learn what the
process of becoming empoweredwas, of knowing your worth, of
standing up for yourself, ofstanding in your truth, of
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setting boundaries, so that itcould practice these things.
And I love this idea from moreof a psychological perspective
as well, because our minds thinkthat we can think our way
through problems.
Right, that's what it'sdesigned to do.
Our mind is designed to try andlogic our way out of situations
to keep us safe.
That's literally what it wasdesigned to be used as as a tool
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, right?
And so it thinks that weshouldn't have to go through the
relationship or the illness orthe trauma in order to be able
to learn the lesson.
We should just be able to walkthrough life and have the lesson
unfold.
Right?
And I think so many people canprobably resonate with that idea
of, yeah, I should be able tojust live life and my mind can
figure it out.
Why do I have to go through thereally hard thing in order to
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learn the lesson?
But what's really interestingabout this is that, for as much
as our mind thinks and tries tologic its way through things,
our soul experiences.
Our soul doesn't think, itdoesn't emote, it doesn't have
that string of thoughts to getfrom point A to point B.
Our soul just exists.
And so the only way that oursoul can learn or evolve is
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probably a better term for itthe only way that our soul can
evolve and develop is throughexperience.
The mind thinking its waythrough a certain problem does
absolutely nothing for the soul,because the soul doesn't
resonate at the thought level.
It doesn't exist at that levelof consciousness.
It exists at a deeper level ofconsciousness where we
experience things.
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And this is where, and part ofwhy, I think shamanic techniques
are so powerful in that becausesomething like a shamanic
journey or a guided meditationif you've never done a journey
are really powerful becauseyou're not thinking your way
through it, you're experiencingyour way through it.
When you come out, it's onceyou're out of the meditation or
you're out of the journey thatthen you get to invite your mind
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in and say, okay, what meaningcan we pull from this?
But it's rooted first in thatexperience and I think a lot of
times we have that backwards inour day-to-day lives.
We think that if our mind canjust think through a problem,
then we can apply it to our soul.
Then, once we have the answer,then we can choose to feel that
way or really bring it to thelevel of our beliefs.
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We want it to be this kind oftop-down way of thinking, but
the way that our soul engageswith life, the way that we were
intended to engage with life wasexperience from that heart-soul
space first, and then bring inthe mind, this tool that we have
to help make sense and pullmeaning out of those experiences
.
And so, when we look at it fromthat perspective, soul contracts
(26:34):
for me took on a completelydifferent perspective and a
completely different light,because suddenly it wasn't you
know your mind's choosing tohave these negative experiences,
when it could have just thoughtits way through.
It's like the mind has nothingto do with it.
The soul contracts, what youexperience here on earth, have
nothing to do with your mind.
They're not happening for yourmind, they're happening for that
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soul, part of you, that part ofyou that is one with all things
, that part of you that is partof this cosmic dance that we're
going through, and that partonly learns and evolves and
continues to move its energythrough through experience.
And so, of course, it would seemlike we come in for the abusive
(27:16):
relationship or the illness orwhatever it is, but that's not
actually the end of it.
What we truly come in for is theopportunity, the catalyst to
become more of ourselves, tobecome more aware of our
self-worth and our self-love andour right to be here and
experience everything.
(27:36):
And I find that reallyfascinating because for me,
that's where it really starts todovetail into something like
you know, how much are wethinking our lives instead of
experiencing our lives?
And how much easier would oursoul contracts be if we allowed
ourselves to really sit in theexperience of it and process our
emotions and be aware of wherewe are, instead of trying to
think our way through it becausethat's just a protection
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mechanism, it's just our mindtrying to say, well, if you
could just think your waythrough it, then it wouldn't
have to hurt as much.
And I think this idea of soulcontracts really challenges that
state of mind, because it'sreally prompting us to remember
that we are first and foremostsouls.
We are first and foremostenergetic beings, and energy
doesn't think, it experiences.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, it sure does.
And so with that it's, it isactually experience life, right.
So it is eat the food and youconnect to our five senses and
do all of that, because when weare truly embodying our physical
self, we are having that humanexperience that allows our soul
then to experience through us,right, because on that soul
(28:44):
level we're not doing all ofthat, we're not eating and
smelling and tasting andtouching and doing all of the
things.
But what I was thinking toowhile you were talking is to
look at the duality of it too.
So with soul, agreements islike if you going back to having
an abuser and having the onewho is being abused, right, a
lot of times it's because eachparty, each soul, wants to
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experience that side of it, andthen in a next lifetime, you
know, down the road or whatever,they switch it.
So a lot of times we come inlike that too, when we're
partnering up with someone,because one soul needs to
experience the other side of it,and also knowing that the
collective is your family, yourfriends, your co-workers.
(29:29):
All of that, if it's more, youknow, a personal experience
versus a global experience isthat you're being witnessed too.
So other beings are witnessingyour journey and learning
through watching what we'regoing through.
And so, for example, if you,you know, have like a death of a
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child, right, like that is adifficult experience to go
through, you know, extremelydifficult.
But there's reasons why themother or the father have agreed
to do that because theythemselves are needing to go
through that grief, whether it'sgoing to bring them through it
or the emotions that they haveto go through.
Or there's going to be anotherchild that comes after that
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child is lost, and then theyhave that connection of heart
again and they, you know.
So there's all these differentelements that show up and when
we are able to really see itfrom that bigger perspective of
it, it's like, okay, it doesmake sense, it doesn't make it
hurt any less.
You know, our heart is gonnaache through a lot of these
human experiences, because lifeis very difficult when we're
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going through things, right, andso it doesn't take it away.
None of this takes away theearthly experience of what we're
feeling, the emotions of whatwe're feeling, but what it does
is it gives a differentperspective to say okay, on a
higher conscious level.
We chose this because our soulwants to evolve.
And one example that I reallylike to use is Helen Keller, and
(30:59):
with her it's because she chosea contract to come in to be
deaf and blind, right, which onan outside perspective you might
look at that and say, well, whowould want to come in, deaf and
blind, right and so.
But through her contract shehad people that came in Ann
Sullivan, who was her teacher.
She became good friends withAlexander Graham Bell, who then
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was so interested in who she wasas a deaf mute child that he
went to England to bring toAmerica a deaf ASL interpreter
or a teacher, and then togetherthey established the Gallaudet
University, so the first deafschool in America.
(31:43):
And so from her contract, nowevery state through the United
States has a residential schoolfor the deaf community, for deaf
children, for K through 12thgrade, right.
So you can see from herperspective as a soul, if I come
in, I'm deaf and blind, notonly will I evolve myself, but
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collectively and for the worldI'm making this huge change.
If she would not have come in,there's a possibility there
would have never established adeaf you know education system.
But through her that allhappened.
And here's this man that he'sall about telephones and
communication with hearingpeople.
But he found so much interestin her and the ability so it
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changed his perspective ofcommunication.
It connected differentcountries, it brought in
different ideologies andlanguage and education.
And that is looking at it fromthat crown perspective, how one
point, one sole perspective, canjust change everything.
And so when you can see that,look at it from your life now.
(32:46):
Where in your life can you sayyou know what, if I hadn't met
this person, I wouldn't havedone this, I wouldn't have had
my children, I wouldn't have hadthis job opportunity, whatever
it is?
And you can see it and go oh mygosh, yes, there's my soul
contract.
And that's a really good way,without having to do like soul
regression or anything like that, just look at your own life and
(33:07):
start to pivot, or not pivot,but connect the dots right.
So it's like once you connectyour dots, you go okay, I can
see how, maybe, being abused asa child, you become a counselor
or you start advocating forabused children.
Right, if you wouldn't haveexperienced it, typically you
wouldn't become that.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
And I find this fascinating too, because I think
we can see this pattern, thisidea, in different ideologies
and ways of thinking as well.
Things like karma right,everybody's familiar with the
idea of karma, and that'sessentially.
You know, details aside, that'sessentially what we're talking
about is this idea of findingthat energetic balance, of
agreeing to experience somethingin this lifetime Karma probably
(33:52):
wouldn't use the term agreeing,but experiencing something in
this lifetime for thedevelopment and the furtherance
of energy, both individually, soyour soul and collectively,
like the whole earth and thecosmic system.
And what do we collectivelyneed to continue to evolve and
grow?
And so this is something thatwe see across a lot of different
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philosophies and religions andways of thinking, and so, for me
is someone who likes to findall of those connections and
those places where things cometogether that we can really see.
Okay, there must be somethingto this, whether we want to call
it karma or soul contracts, orjust the law of cause and effect
, or we want to take a moreshamanic perspective and look at
it as this idea that energy isconstantly searching for balance
(34:37):
.
So, if something is imbalanced,there has to be this kind of
give and take in order to bringit back into balance.
And that brings us back againto karma of this idea of if you
were abused, then maybe inanother lifetime you become the
abuser or vice versa, so thatagain there's that energetic
balance there.
And so I find this reallyfascinating, because it's
something that we do see spreadacross so many different
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religions and philosophies andways of spiritual thought that
there must be this core nuggetof truth here.
And what I love about it, fromeven just a personal growth
perspective, is it does exactlywhat you said earlier.
It helps us to get out of thevictim mentality and whether or
not you want to take it further,whether or not you want to look
(35:20):
at it as a soul contract orkarma or whatever it is for you,
if we can just take it as thisidea that maybe there was more
to this situation than I can seeright now with my human
perspective, right, I thinkthat's really the baseline
invitation when we're talkingabout soul contracts is we could
dive so deep into the rabbithole and if this resonates for
(35:42):
you, there are so many resourcesand Chantel is absolutely
amazing at helping you walkthrough this.
But when we're really bringingit forward here at the start,
it's this idea of what if therewas more to this than what your
human mind can see?
What if it wasn't happening toyou but it truly was happening
for you?
How would you move through thissituation differently?
(36:04):
How would you perceive yourpast traumas differently If the
idea wasn't that life was justhappening to you so that you
could get hurt and life isterrible?
But this idea that thesesituations are catalysts that
open the door to moreunderstanding, more learning, a
different way of living andexisting and more expansion in
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your energy field.
What if, instead of thosesituations being painful and
hard and there to beat you down,the reason that you feel so
beaten down is because it's justtrying to break through your
walls?
What if they were opportunitiesto let those walls come down so
that you could step back intoyour fullest self?
And when we think about ourexperiences that way, when we
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think about them from this ideaof what if there was more here?
What if there was an experienceon this soul level, what if
this soul level experience wasthe catalyst for my mind
understanding something deeper.
It takes the victim mindset out,because I think when we have a
chronic illness or we're in anabusive relationship, or we do
lose a child or whatever it isthat we are going through.
(37:07):
It is hard.
Like you said, it doesn't takeaway from the fact that it's
hard, but it's also so easy forus to get stuck in that grief or
the loss or the anger or thefear or all of these really
heavy emotions that are easierto shove to the side than to sit
with and process.
But when we can take it fromthis perspective of there's
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something for me here, there's adeeper meaning here.
This is a catalyst forsomething.
It can help us to have thecourage not only to then look at
those really difficult emotionsand figure out what is it that
I need to be able to processthose, knowing that it's in the
processing of those emotionsthat we learn our biggest
lessons, right?
But it also opens us up to thisidea that I don't have to give
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my power away anymore, not toanother person, but especially
not to life.
And that, for me, has been oneof the biggest switches after
learning about soul contracts isthis idea that we can be a
victim to life.
In fact, a lot of us arevictims to life because we feel
like it's just happening to us,it's happening at us, life is
(38:13):
hard and it sucks and that justis how it is right.
That statement that probablyall of us have said at some
point in our lives is a victimstatement and an example of how
we're giving away our power tolife and saying this is how it
is, I can't change it, when, inreality, because we are
spiritual beings having a humanexperience yes, we have these
(38:34):
contracts or these agreements orthese karmic cycles, whatever
you want to call them.
We have these contracts, but wealso have free will, you want
to call them.
We have these contracts, but wealso have free will.
We are spiritual beings, yes,but we're also human in that we
get to make choices and we getto experience and we get to have
the emotions and the thoughtsand work through them and find
what that catalyst is opening usup for.
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But we only get to go throughthat process if we consciously
engage with it, and so a lot oftimes I've started thinking
about those harder experiencesin life as wake-up calls.
I had one of those this pastweekend.
My husband and I had a reallydifficult situation come up and
it was this moment of sittingthere and realizing it feels
(39:14):
like a physical tug of like Icould choose to stay stuck in
the emotion and, just likeblackout, sit down, not do it be
done, or we could move throughit and we could feel the
feelings and we could do thethings and we could step through
it, knowing that on the otherside, yeah, this middle part's
going to be harder because we'reactually going to be looking at
(39:36):
the problem and we're actuallygoing to be having the
conversations, but what happenson the other side is it's going
to get better.
There's going to be more feeling, more connection, more whatever
it is on the other side,because we allow this experience
, instead of being, like youknow, a jackhammer to our heart
and beat us down, it becomeslike a jackhammer to those walls
that we've put up, and thosedifficult experiences can break
(39:57):
down all of those walls andthose barriers that we've put up
if we let them.
And I love that way of lookingat life problems because it
really does completely shift, Ithink, the way that a lot of
people would live their lives ifwe could take some of that
victimhood mentality out of itand go.
What if it wasn't that?
What if there was more to it?
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What if there was a differentway of seeing this situation?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Absolutely, and I think too, with that, with the
victimhood mentality, is notjust filling the victim, but
also people victimize people,right?
So a lot of times, like you,you know, especially like with
empaths this weekend I went toan amazing conference and it was
a.
I was there only for two days,but I went to the conscious expo
in LA and it was like two,10,000 people were registered
(40:49):
and it was just back to backworkshops and channelers and all
the all the people, and it wasjust so amazing.
But one of the main things thatthey were talking about was
then empaths came up and it saidyou know what happens?
And this was actually a channel, a channel that was talking and
what he was saying is when youare feeling into what other
(41:11):
people are feeling, right, as anempath, we take it on.
He goes why do you look at, whydo you want to tune into?
Just the trauma and the dramaand all of that he's like tune
into the light of the person,tune into the magnificence of
them.
He goes you humans, you're soattached to being the victim or
attached to the emotion,attached to the experience,
(41:33):
instead of being the observer ofit and saying this happened to
me and I can shift myperspective of that and let that
go.
And that's where the freedom offorgiveness comes in.
Right Is knowing you canforgive yourself, you can
forgive others, you can forgivethe situation, you can release
it so you can move forward, youcan move on from that, and that
(41:55):
can help you really shift thatperspective and the way that you
walk in life and it makes youstronger with it and it gives
you it's like lifting your headup and seeing through a
different lens and that is whenwe come to soul contracts is
definitely giving ourself thegrace and the space to be able
to say I'm going through thisnow, but this is just a season
(42:17):
in my life.
What am I meant to learn fromhere?
So I can grow and evolve in thenext stage?
Right, and so we all have thatopportunity.
We can all choose to be avictim and we can all choose to
grow out of it and so, and toempower ourself and to stand in
the knowledge and the wisdom ofwhat we've gained.
And you know when, that, whenwe're able to do that, it just,
(42:42):
I think it makes life juicier,it makes life more tangible and
fun, and it's like, because wecan't oh, we.
You can get stuck in it, but youdon't want to be stuck in it,
you know, like something thathappened 20, 30 years ago should
not still identify us for whowe are today.
Right, and we don't need toself-punish and we don't need to
(43:03):
continue to do all that.
And when you can't forgive andmove forward from a situation,
what we're doing is we're justpunishing ourselves or stripping
ourselves away from life andfrom the experience of life and
being able to go and journey anddo the things in life that is
fun.
And what we're here to do,right, is to experience this
(43:23):
earth and this experience ofwalking and journeying with
people and meeting new peopleand having all those different,
like travel and whatever it isyou wanna do in life, but be
abundant in it, be expansive init, because this lifetime, when
it's over, it's over Now.
I believe in reincarnation.
We come back, but you're nevergoing to be the personality that
(43:45):
you are right now, you know,and so it's like, yeah, go enjoy
it and know that things aregoing to happen and we're going
to have these life experiencesthat we have contracted through,
but it's okay to look at it forwhat it is and allow yourself
to shift out of it much faster.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
And it takes a lot of the fear out of it too.
I think a lot of times when wehave such heavy things happen in
our lives, we kind of sitwaiting.
For I know I'm, I'm really,really I really get into this
cycle, sometimes in my own head,of waiting for the other shoe
to drop, like when's the nextbad thing going to happen.
But when we can look at it fromthe lens of soul contracts and
(44:22):
from that invitation of, can youlet yourself experience life
instead of thinking your waythrough it, instead of trying to
figure out all of the storiesand what the right answer is and
what the wrong answer is, andhow you're going to live your
life perfectly so that when youdie you don't regret it?
Right, that thought patternthat our brain gets on, instead
of thinking your way throughlife thought pattern that our
(44:42):
brain gets on, instead ofthinking your way through life,
can you let yourself experiencelife and understand that, within
that realm of experiencing lifefrom your heart, from your soul
, those difficult experiencesare just catalysts to allow you
to deepen in that experience, toallow you to deepen in the joy
and the passion and theconnection that you have in life
, if you choose to allow them to.
(45:05):
And I think that's one of themost empowering things about
soul contracts is, yeah, yoursoul is going to experience it
either way, but you get to bringyour mind on board so that you
can make the free will choice toget everything out of it that
you were meant to get out of it.
And that in itself is soempowering, because by making
that choice, by choosing tobelieve that these difficult
(45:26):
experiences are just catalystsfor deeper experience, you are
claiming your power back.
You are making an empoweredchoice, you're bringing your
mind along for the ride so that,yeah, no, you're not thinking
your way through life, but youare experiencing it, and all of
you get to experience it, and soit does.
It takes away a lot of the fearbecause then, instead of
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thinking, oh my gosh, when's thenext bad thing going to happen,
it's I am fully experiencinglife and when something happens,
I know on a deep soul levelthat it will be okay, because
it's just that catalyst for thenext layer of understanding and
the next level of consciousnessand the next deepening of that
experience.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, I think a lot of people they do their in that
when is the next shoe going todrop?
And then you spend so muchenergy waiting for that next
shoe to drop.
That may never happen and if itdoes, it may be like 10, 15
years from now, you know.
So it's just like live in themoment.
That's why it's like just fortoday, do not worry.
You know, I always joke with mymom because she, with my Grammy
(46:30):
, she's always like for 20 years, you know, talking about you
know she could die, and I'm likemom for 20 years doing this and
she's 88, you know now, andit's like and so it's just
interesting to me because thefear was there and that fear has
created so much anxiety in her.
And it's like don't think likethat, just live life and enjoy
(46:54):
the moments that you have.
Right, because her time willcome when her time is there.
Not because you think it willhappen when her time is there,
not because you think it willhappen, but yeah, definitely
it's.
It's a very tricky place to bewhen you're concerned or worried
about what may happen, you know, because it's like then you go
(47:15):
to um, what you think creates areality, so we actually start
pulling in that experiencebecause we're aligning to that
frequency of the universe to sayI'm waiting for this to happen.
The universe goes okay, well,here, let me give it to you.
And then we're creating our ownsuffering and our own struggle
and just the thought and theworry in its own way is its own
suffering.
So it really is starting tocome out of this concept where
(47:37):
our mind can create an entireworld that isn't even happening.
Think how many people have panicattacks.
Well, they're all snuggledsafely in bed and then they have
a thought that creates a panicattack and they're going through
that emotion.
But it's the mind that'sprojecting and going through
memories and everything andreleasing chemicals that causes
(47:58):
an unsafe experience whileyou're safely nestled in bed.
I just find that interestingand how powerful our mind can be
either way, either reallypowerful on the negative side or
really powerful in the positiveside.
But it's that thought catchingand the retraining of our
thoughts and our mind to say, no, I am safe, I am good yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
So, with that said, as we kind of bring this one in
for a landing, I would love toknow if someone was interested
in really taking this soulcontracts idea and applying it
to their own life.
Like, if they're ready to divein, what piece of advice or tool
would you give them to takethis to the next level?
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Definitely getting Sacred Contracts the book,
because that really does helpyou dive in and there's a lot of
videos to do it.
But, like I said in thebeginning, it's looking at your
own life, connecting your owndots, noticing, like the people
who were involved, whatsituation, trauma or event that
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occurred and what was theoutcome, what positive came out
of that.
And then when you, when you dothat, it actually helps you to
heal it because you'll see itfrom that bigger perspective,
right, but even right now, ifyou look at something that
you're going through even thoughwe don't know the end result of
it in the moment but see whatcould possibly come forward from
(49:23):
it, and so just having that inyour own perspective can really
help you play with it.
Because in the end, that's whatit is where you're playing with
this and what your contracts are, and know that you can end
contracts, like if you havetoxic people in your life and
you're like I am done with thiscontract or I have learned this
lesson, because the mind willkeep you in this loop, but the
(49:46):
soul is going to take you on aspiral, right, so it loops back
around to say, hey, did youlearn this, did you?
How did you do?
Did you learn it?
It wants to remind you of thelessons that you're here to
learn, and so the mind will keepyou in an endless loop, but the
soul doesn't do that.
So tune into the heart and fillinto it.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Beautiful.
So, with that said, if you haveenjoyed this conversation, if
you have enjoyed learning aboutsoul contracts, let us know.
We'd love to see you over inour Facebook group to hear your
top takeaway from today'sconversation and to share what
you learned or what you realizedwhen you did this exercise that
Chantel invited us into.
And, of course, if you wouldlike us to do a part two and
(50:29):
dive even deeper into this,knowing that there is so much
more to soul contracts than whatwe were able to share here, let
us know.
We would love to do a part two,but until next time, thank you
for listening and may you awakento the whispers of wisdom
rising from within.
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Welcome back to another episodeof the Wisdom Rising podcast.
In today's episode, I am goingto dive into soul contracts with
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This is really Chantel's happyplace to play when it comes to
spirituality, becauseunderstanding our soul contracts
allows us to come into a morecompassionate understanding of
how we can learn and grow inthis lifetime.
Soul contracts can help to givea sense of meaning to what we
experience in life the good, thebad and otherwise and in
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a spiritual and philosophical,but also a psychological
perspective and howunderstanding our soul contracts
can really help us completelytransform the way that we
approach our life and ourmindset.
This is definitely an episodeyou won't want to miss, and it's
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four-week masterclass on soulcontracts starting in March.
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Introduce yourself toarchetypical guides and the role
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Introduce yourself toarchetypical guides and the role
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This four-week masterclass isnow open for enrollment for only
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This is the first masterclassthat we have in our new series
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Again.
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Welcome, welcome to anotheramazing conversation.
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I am joined today with ChantelOchoa, our Moon Rising Mystic,
and we are diving into allthings soul contracts, and this
is really Chantel's happy place,her passion point.
I love hearing her talk aboutthis, so I'm going to let her
kick us off today and I'mexcited to see where this
conversation takes us.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Thank, you and good morning everyone.
So soul contracts definitely issomething that I really enjoy,
and not just teaching anddiscussing all the different
elements of soul contracts, butit was also a big awakening
moment in my life when it cameinto my awareness, and so I had
kind of always heard a littlebit about soul contracts and
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different things, and then whenit really hit it was like, oh my
gosh, yes, that is how it is.
It's not that we are just thesehumans here and there's nothing
beyond, or that we don't haveany plan of action before we
come in.
And so the whole purpose andthe whole concept of soul
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contracts is that when we are inour soul body, we come together
with our spiritual team, wecome together with families and
friends and, like soul, our soulcommunity, our soul family, and
so we discuss what our mission,what our purpose in life will
be, what we're here to learn,and so with that we create these
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contracts with different soulmembers that become our parents,
our family, our children, ourfriends, our enemies, our
lessons in life, and so when youcan see the pattern of how like
soul contracts are in your life, it's so powerful because I
feel like it gives you like thisempowering part of yourself
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where you can say you know what,if I did it there, if I planned
it there, I can move through ithere and so it's just for me,
it's just was really eye opening.
And so with that you can learnfrom Carolyn Miss or Mace I'm
not quite sure how shepronounces her last name, but I
think it's Carolyn Miss and shehas soul contracts, and so with
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that you can definitely checkout her book and plug in there
with why we do soul contracts,how they show up the benefit of
it and what we're doing like ona soul level.
And so it really is kind ofcoming to this roundtable of
discussion and what it is thatyou want to experience.
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So remember, on a soul levelwe're not attached to emotion.
So this is a big crown chakrapoint of view, right, A soul
point of view, where when we'relooking at the different lives
that we can take on and thedifferent experiences we can go
through, there's no emotionattached to it.
So a soul can take on a hugecontract where there's
disability, there's sickness,there's, you know, experiencing
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death, there's experiencingaccidents and you know poverty,
and there's so many differentaspects in a soul contract that
we can take on right, and that'sbecause the soul is like I want
to elevate, I want to move upin dimensions or frequency or
whatever it is that the soul isdoing and wanting what their
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goal set is, and so, on aspectrum of life experiences.
As a soul, we get to choose that.
And then the souls that love usenough you know they love us
they come forward and they sayokay, I want to play your mom, I
want to play your father, Iwant to be your son, your
daughter, your best friend, theone that hurts you.
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You know, like there's ameeting in life where you come
together and so say there's anaccident in your life.
Let's just say that, right,Well, in that contract, the
driver versus you comes togetherat some pivot, some point in
life and that lets them learnwhat they need to learn as well
as you need to learn what youneed to learn.
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And that's just a very simpleexample of what we come here to
do.
But as we move through thisconversation, we're going to
have some deeper ones, because Ireally loved to point out
certain soul contracts andthroughout history that you can
go oh my gosh, that's huge yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I love that and I love this as a starting point
for this conversation, becausethere are I think there are kind
of two camps of people when itcomes to soul contracts.
There's people who haveabsolutely never heard of this
concept before, and so the ideaof soul contracts and I'd love
to start with this camp ofpeople who've never heard of it
and kind of boil it down intothis core definition and see
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what you think about mydefinition here.
So for someone who's never heardof soul contracts, we can kind
of think of the fact that whenwe're not embodied, right, our
human form is not our full form.
We are souls, we are thosepieces of the divine, and when
we choose to incarnate, when wechoose to come to earth in what
Christine calls a human suit, weget to live a life and within
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that life our soul has madechoices or contracts for what we
will or won't experience orwhat we could experience.
I think that's an importantpart of contracts, right, that
they can be rewritten, but it'sthis idea that the soul has made
a choice for what will becontained within this human's
lifetime, for the growth anddevelopment of that soul.
So some of those things mightbe difficult, but it's because
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through those difficult growingpains is how we actually develop
and evolve.
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
because there's a lot of people that if you haven't
heard of soul contracts, or evenif you have that, it might not
resonate.
Because you're like, why wouldI choose this as a human right?
Why would I want to experiencethat?
But when you look at it fromthat perspective, you're really
looking at it from the humanperspective, through the lens of
a human, and so you have totake it to the next level, the
higher level, from your soulperspective, your higher self,
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and say, okay, yeah, maybe on ahigher level, I chose this
because there were certainpeople I needed to meet.
Or there was, like you say, likeyou come in and you have cancer
, but maybe there's a doctorthat's going to help you to cure
something or diagnose somethingor figure something out within
you because you have thatcontract, and then that has a
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huge impact on the collective,on the human society and all
that.
And so that's really what it is.
It's what are these two peopleor a group of people coming
together that is bringingawareness to the planet, is
bringing awareness to the planet?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
And so, within that, I think that brings us to, like
you mentioned, kind of thesecond group of people who have
heard about soul contracts, andeither they're totally on board,
it makes a lot of sense, itreally resonates, or there can
also be this tendency, like youshared, to have a little bit of
that.
Well, I wouldn't choose this,why would I call that into my
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life?
And I love that idea that onthe soul level there aren't
emotions, because one of thethings that I really like
thinking about and I'm going toI'm going to take this
conversation from, like thereally traditional shamanic
perspective as well, because Ithink it adds an interesting
tint is that when we look atthings from a shamanic
perspective, or even just aspiritual perspective, when
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we're in that soul state, wedon't have an eye, there's not
an emotion, there's not a mind,there's not a this is good, this
is bad, this is right, this iswrong, this is negative, this is
positive, everything just is,and so it becomes a lot more.
We like to joke around thatduality is black and white, like
it's good or bad, it's positiveor negative, but it actually is
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a lot more black and white whenyou're a soul, because there
isn't that sense of good or bad,it just is what it is.
And so there's less emotionalintensity because there's no
emotional intensity, becauseyou're just looking at what is
going to roll forward with theenergy of the universe.
And I think this is where how Iunderstand soul contracts from a
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shamanic perspective.
Because from, like atraditional shamanic point of
view, the way that we see soulcontracts and the way that
Caroline Missy soul contractsisn't particularly necessarily
aligned with traditionalshamanic views, because from a
shamanic viewpoint there's neverthis, there's not a huge
impetus on personal soulevolution.
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It's always from theperspective of the collective.
So how is the collective goingto advance?
And what I love about thisconversation is we get to see
how both of those overlap.
Because I think I was talkingto a friend of mine the other
day who is a shamanicpractitioner and he was sharing
his thoughts on soul contractsand reincarnation and these
things and how, from a reallytruly traditional shamanic
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perspective those aren't a thing.
But when we look at them fromthe broader again, when we take
it to that crown chakra point ofview and we're not so caught up
in the details, but we'relooking at this crown chakra of
what's the idea here.
What's the thought and the ideais that there are certain
things, certain experiences thatneed to happen to progress,
either our growth or the growthof the collective right.
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And I think, whether we'retalking about this in the
context of soul contracts or theshaman's ladder and that cycle
of consciousness, or even justfrom a day-to-day life
perspective, I think we can, ifI invite everyone listening to
really think about what was anexperience in your life that was
really really difficult but,looking back, you're grateful it
happened because it made youthe person you are today.
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I think probably every singleperson that I've ever talked to
has an experience like that.
I can think of mine right now.
And when we look at it that way, it's this understanding that
from the human perspective yeah,that was hard right we could
even say from a root chakraperspective when we're looking
at the details, when we'rereally down on the earth, the
earth level, looking at how didit feel and who was involved and
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what were the emotions and thethoughts and the limiting
beliefs and the physical painand the limitations that got
placed on you and all of this,that was really really hard,
there's no denying that and whenwe can kind of zoom out and
come to that crown chakraperspective or that bigger
picture perspective where we'relooking at it through the eyes
of the divine or your higherself or your soul or your
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intuition or whatever resonatesfor you there, we can really see
that that situation yes, it washard.
That doesn't take away from thattruth.
But on the bigger perspective,it did make you who you are
today.
It did help you grow, it didhelp you evolve, and so I find
it really interesting that, evenjust on an interpersonal level
right, even if you're not woo orspiritual at all we kind of all
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have this understanding that,yeah, okay, I can see how that
would be true, I can see howthis situation really did help
me grow, and I love finding allthe ways that it's like okay, if
we take that idea, if we takethis understanding that that
really difficult situation, Ithink about friends of mine who
have gone through a divorce orwho had some kind of childhood
trauma, which is mine or whohave lost a job and went through
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a divorce, or who had some kindof childhood trauma, which is
mine or who have, you know, losta job and went through a really
difficult time of unemploymentor had really serious chronic
disease or things like this, andthey come out the other side
and they're like I am.
Because of that, because I hadto go through this process of
realizing how limited I actuallywas in that situation, how much
I was holding myself back anddenying myself and all of these
things, I am now so much morefree and so much more myself
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than I ever was at the beginning.
And I love that we can take thatidea and apply it to soul
contracts of what if that washappening, not just on the human
level, because life is hard andunfair, but because there's
actually this cosmic dance to ithappening, whether we want to
look at it from the soulcontract perspective of you and
your growth and evolution orfrom a more shamanic perspective
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of the growth and evolution ofa collective.
Thinking about when you wentthrough that situation, how much
did everybody else in your lifechange too as a result of that
catalyst?
It's a fascinating energeticpattern that we can see and I
like how there's that kind ofuniversality to it.
Of no matter which angle we'relooking at it from, there's
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clearly some kind of truth tothis idea that it's through
those hard things.
You know, there's that kind ofcliche saying, growth happens at
the edge of your comfort zone,and I like that we can kind of
go down the rabbit hole and seehow true that actually is.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, definitely, because when we can connect the
dots through our life and seelike you're talking about, you
know, if I didn't go throughthis I wouldn't be where I'm at
Right.
And there are a lot ofexperiences that we go through
that if we could turn back thetime, you know, change the clock
and all that kind of thing, andgo back, maybe we would want to
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change them.
But when you look at the biggerpicture, would you really?
Because a lot of times, whetherit's a job or it's a loss of a
loved one or it's a divorce, yougain more people experiences,
there's different things thatcome into your reality that
would not have happened if youdidn't experience that right.
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And so it is having that biggerpicture of life and saying in
the moment it was extremelydifficult, but now I can see why
I could have chosen that.
And then it brings in the freewill.
Right, because on the level offree will, yes, we have these
soul agreements, these soulcontracts that we come in with.
We have our soul family that wecome in with, okay, but at the
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same time, at any moment, wehave free will to change and
pivot from whatever it is.
So we have our soul alignmentthat we're, you know, going
through life doing our thing,and then all of a sudden we're
at the spork in the road and wemake a decision based off of
free will that maybe we don'twant to go down that road that
created trauma or may be moredifficult, so we pivot and take
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a different route.
Well, if that route createsmore lessons, more heartache,
more struggle, it's like ourspiritual team is not nudging us
back to the original path,right To keep us going to.
So we're learning what we'rehere to actually learn.
And so, when you see it too,it's like these detours in life
that we take that can createmore suffering, sometimes
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because we want to avoid what wethink will be painful.
You know, we predict things inour life Like if I create this,
if I make this decision, it'sgoing to create that.
And that's where you get intotimelines and different things
that we, you know, we createwithin our reality.
But it's all a part of thatoriginal soul agreement and
saying I'm going to come intolife to experience this, whether
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say it's an abusiverelationship or something, and
then you're going through yourlife with this abuser or this
like narcissism is such a bigthing right now with people like
I'm in this narcissisticrelationship.
But what are you learning?
There's a reason that person isin your life so you can learn
something from them, and itdoesn't mean that you need to be
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a victim.
It means that you learn how toempower yourself, to stand up,
to be strong, to say I'm donewith this.
And when you shift and you moveinto your consciousness and
awareness of I'm leaving thisrelationship, what happens is
the next one.
If you've learned from thatexperience, the next person in
your life won't be that, becauseyou'll see all the red flags,
you'll understand.
I've learned from thatexperience.
The next person in your lifewon't be that, because you'll
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see all the red flags, you'llunderstand.
I've learned from him or herand now I'm shifting this way,
and so your whole life takes awhole different change and turn.
And then next thing, you knowyou're living a completely
different lifestyle, a differentperspective, and your old life
becomes like it feels like it'sin a whole different book, right
, like a whole different actionof life, and so really it is us
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tuning in and seeing it, becausethen there's that silver lining
and I think that's really whatI take from it is what am I
meant to learn from whateverexperience I have gone through,
whatever it is that I'm being,I'm facing, and so from there
I'm like, okay, if I can see thesilver lining in it, then that
means I can move forward with abetter decision-making.
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I have a broader point of viewof why I'm going through what
I'm going through, instead ofsitting in the victim state of
it, which I have.
You know, we've all been inthat moment of why me and so I
find the empowering part of soulcontracts and agreements is to
say it isn't happening to me,it's happening for me.
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And when we can stand in thatstate of mind, then everything
starts to shift and you know youcan leave those relationships,
you know you can heal throughgrief, you know you can go find
a better job or you can makemore money or experience life in
a different way, because youstart to shift your perspective
from the victim to the warriorand to the empowered one and
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everything like that.
And that is what, for me,coming forward is like yes, I
will take that all day long, youknow, because I know I can make
decisions based off of thoseexperiences.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And that's such a powerful takeaway too, because I
think one of the things thatfor me, when I was learning
about soul contracts and I thinka lot of people have this
there's that feeling of like,yeah, it really resonates and
your mind hates it.
You know, your mind hates thatidea because, again, it's like
it's a little bit of thatfeeling of, well, I wouldn't
have chosen this.
And I think what you said Ikind of want to emphasize again
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that it really is, even thoughon the outset, right, it's the
situation, right, this maybeit's an abusive relationship or
a divorce, or again a period ofunemployment and illness,
whatever it is, for you it's notthe situation that you picked,
it's the opportunity that thatsituation creates.
So, like Chantal was saying, ifit's an abusive relationship
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that you experience in this life, it's not that your soul, right
, it's not you, it's not yourmind, it's not that your soul
came into that experience justto have that experience.
It came into that experience sothat it could learn what the
process of becoming empoweredwas, of knowing your worth, of
standing up for yourself, ofstanding in your truth, of
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setting boundaries, so that itcould practice these things.
And I love this idea from moreof a psychological perspective
as well, because our minds thinkthat we can think our way
through problems.
Right, that's what it'sdesigned to do.
Our mind is designed to try andlogic our way out of situations
to keep us safe.
That's literally what it wasdesigned to be used as as a tool
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, right?
And so it thinks that weshouldn't have to go through the
relationship or the illness orthe trauma in order to be able
to learn the lesson.
We should just be able to walkthrough life and have the lesson
unfold.
Right?
And I think so many people canprobably resonate with that idea
of, yeah, I should be able tojust live life and my mind can
figure it out.
Why do I have to go through thereally hard thing in order to
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learn the lesson?
But what's really interestingabout this is that, for as much
as our mind thinks and tries tologic its way through things,
our soul experiences.
Our soul doesn't think, itdoesn't emote, it doesn't have
that string of thoughts to getfrom point A to point B.
Our soul just exists.
And so the only way that oursoul can learn or evolve is
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probably a better term for itthe only way that our soul can
evolve and develop is throughexperience.
The mind thinking its waythrough a certain problem does
absolutely nothing for the soul,because the soul doesn't
resonate at the thought level.
It doesn't exist at that levelof consciousness.
It exists at a deeper level ofconsciousness where we
experience things.
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And this is where, and part ofwhy, I think shamanic techniques
are so powerful in that becausesomething like a shamanic
journey or a guided meditationif you've never done a journey
are really powerful becauseyou're not thinking your way
through it, you're experiencingyour way through it.
When you come out, it's onceyou're out of the meditation or
you're out of the journey thatthen you get to invite your mind
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in and say, okay, what meaningcan we pull from this?
But it's rooted first in thatexperience and I think a lot of
times we have that backwards inour day-to-day lives.
We think that if our mind canjust think through a problem,
then we can apply it to our soul.
Then, once we have the answer,then we can choose to feel that
way or really bring it to thelevel of our beliefs.
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We want it to be this kind oftop-down way of thinking, but
the way that our soul engageswith life, the way that we were
intended to engage with life wasexperience from that heart-soul
space first, and then bring inthe mind, this tool that we have
to help make sense and pullmeaning out of those experiences
.
And so, when we look at it fromthat perspective, soul contracts
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for me took on a completelydifferent perspective and a
completely different light,because suddenly it wasn't you
know your mind's choosing tohave these negative experiences,
when it could have just thoughtits way through.
It's like the mind has nothingto do with it.
The soul contracts, what youexperience here on earth, have
nothing to do with your mind.
They're not happening for yourmind, they're happening for that
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soul, part of you, that part ofyou that is one with all things
, that part of you that is partof this cosmic dance that we're
going through, and that partonly learns and evolves and
continues to move its energythrough through experience.
And so, of course, it would seemlike we come in for the abusive
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relationship or the illness orwhatever it is, but that's not
actually the end of it.
What we truly come in for is theopportunity, the catalyst to
become more of ourselves, tobecome more aware of our
self-worth and our self-love andour right to be here and
experience everything.
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And I find that reallyfascinating because for me,
that's where it really starts todovetail into something like
you know, how much are wethinking our lives instead of
experiencing our lives?
And how much easier would oursoul contracts be if we allowed
ourselves to really sit in theexperience of it and process our
emotions and be aware of wherewe are, instead of trying to
think our way through it becausethat's just a protection
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mechanism, it's just our mindtrying to say, well, if you
could just think your waythrough it, then it wouldn't
have to hurt as much.
And I think this idea of soulcontracts really challenges that
state of mind, because it'sreally prompting us to remember
that we are first and foremostsouls.
We are first and foremostenergetic beings, and energy
doesn't think, it experiences.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, it sure does.
And so with that it's, it isactually experience life, right.
So it is eat the food and youconnect to our five senses and
do all of that, because when weare truly embodying our physical
self, we are having that humanexperience that allows our soul
then to experience through us,right, because on that soul
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level we're not doing all ofthat, we're not eating and
smelling and tasting andtouching and doing all of the
things.
But what I was thinking toowhile you were talking is to
look at the duality of it too.
So with soul, agreements islike if you going back to having
an abuser and having the onewho is being abused, right, a
lot of times it's because eachparty, each soul, wants to
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experience that side of it, andthen in a next lifetime, you
know, down the road or whatever,they switch it.
So a lot of times we come inlike that too, when we're
partnering up with someone,because one soul needs to
experience the other side of it,and also knowing that the
collective is your family, yourfriends, your co-workers.
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All of that, if it's more, youknow, a personal experience
versus a global experience isthat you're being witnessed too.
So other beings are witnessingyour journey and learning
through watching what we'regoing through.
And so, for example, if you,you know, have like a death of a
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child, right, like that is adifficult experience to go
through, you know, extremelydifficult.
But there's reasons why themother or the father have agreed
to do that because theythemselves are needing to go
through that grief, whether it'sgoing to bring them through it
or the emotions that they haveto go through.
Or there's going to be anotherchild that comes after that
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child is lost, and then theyhave that connection of heart
again and they, you know.
So there's all these differentelements that show up and when
we are able to really see itfrom that bigger perspective of
it, it's like, okay, it doesmake sense, it doesn't make it
hurt any less.
You know, our heart is gonnaache through a lot of these
human experiences, because lifeis very difficult when we're
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going through things, right, andso it doesn't take it away.
None of this takes away theearthly experience of what we're
feeling, the emotions of whatwe're feeling, but what it does
is it gives a differentperspective to say okay, on a
higher conscious level.
We chose this because our soulwants to evolve.
And one example that I reallylike to use is Helen Keller, and
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with her it's because she chosea contract to come in to be
deaf and blind, right, which onan outside perspective you might
look at that and say, well, whowould want to come in, deaf and
blind, right and so.
But through her contract shehad people that came in Ann
Sullivan, who was her teacher.
She became good friends withAlexander Graham Bell, who then
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was so interested in who she wasas a deaf mute child that he
went to England to bring toAmerica a deaf ASL interpreter
or a teacher, and then togetherthey established the Gallaudet
University, so the first deafschool in America.
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And so from her contract, nowevery state through the United
States has a residential schoolfor the deaf community, for deaf
children, for K through 12thgrade, right.
So you can see from herperspective as a soul, if I come
in, I'm deaf and blind, notonly will I evolve myself, but
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collectively and for the worldI'm making this huge change.
If she would not have come in,there's a possibility there
would have never established adeaf you know education system.
But through her that allhappened.
And here's this man that he'sall about telephones and
communication with hearingpeople.
But he found so much interestin her and the ability so it
(32:25):
changed his perspective ofcommunication.
It connected differentcountries, it brought in
different ideologies andlanguage and education.
And that is looking at it fromthat crown perspective, how one
point, one sole perspective, canjust change everything.
And so when you can see that,look at it from your life now.
(32:46):
Where in your life can you sayyou know what, if I hadn't met
this person, I wouldn't havedone this, I wouldn't have had
my children, I wouldn't have hadthis job opportunity, whatever
it is?
And you can see it and go oh mygosh, yes, there's my soul
contract.
And that's a really good way,without having to do like soul
regression or anything like that, just look at your own life and
(33:07):
start to pivot, or not pivot,but connect the dots right.
So it's like once you connectyour dots, you go okay, I can
see how, maybe, being abused asa child, you become a counselor
or you start advocating forabused children.
Right, if you wouldn't haveexperienced it, typically you
wouldn't become that.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
And I find this fascinating too, because I think
we can see this pattern, thisidea, in different ideologies
and ways of thinking as well.
Things like karma right,everybody's familiar with the
idea of karma, and that'sessentially.
You know, details aside, that'sessentially what we're talking
about is this idea of findingthat energetic balance, of
agreeing to experience somethingin this lifetime Karma probably
(33:52):
wouldn't use the term agreeing,but experiencing something in
this lifetime for thedevelopment and the furtherance
of energy, both individually, soyour soul and collectively,
like the whole earth and thecosmic system.
And what do we collectivelyneed to continue to evolve and
grow?
And so this is something thatwe see across a lot of different
(34:13):
philosophies and religions andways of thinking, and so, for me
is someone who likes to findall of those connections and
those places where things cometogether that we can really see.
Okay, there must be somethingto this, whether we want to call
it karma or soul contracts, orjust the law of cause and effect
, or we want to take a moreshamanic perspective and look at
it as this idea that energy isconstantly searching for balance
(34:37):
.
So, if something is imbalanced,there has to be this kind of
give and take in order to bringit back into balance.
And that brings us back againto karma of this idea of if you
were abused, then maybe inanother lifetime you become the
abuser or vice versa, so thatagain there's that energetic
balance there.
And so I find this reallyfascinating, because it's
something that we do see spreadacross so many different
(34:59):
religions and philosophies andways of spiritual thought that
there must be this core nuggetof truth here.
And what I love about it, fromeven just a personal growth
perspective, is it does exactlywhat you said earlier.
It helps us to get out of thevictim mentality and whether or
not you want to take it further,whether or not you want to look
(35:20):
at it as a soul contract orkarma or whatever it is for you,
if we can just take it as thisidea that maybe there was more
to this situation than I can seeright now with my human
perspective, right, I thinkthat's really the baseline
invitation when we're talkingabout soul contracts is we could
dive so deep into the rabbithole and if this resonates for
(35:42):
you, there are so many resourcesand Chantel is absolutely
amazing at helping you walkthrough this.
But when we're really bringingit forward here at the start,
it's this idea of what if therewas more to this than what your
human mind can see?
What if it wasn't happening toyou but it truly was happening
for you?
How would you move through thissituation differently?
(36:04):
How would you perceive yourpast traumas differently If the
idea wasn't that life was justhappening to you so that you
could get hurt and life isterrible?
But this idea that thesesituations are catalysts that
open the door to moreunderstanding, more learning, a
different way of living andexisting and more expansion in
(36:25):
your energy field.
What if, instead of thosesituations being painful and
hard and there to beat you down,the reason that you feel so
beaten down is because it's justtrying to break through your
walls?
What if they were opportunitiesto let those walls come down so
that you could step back intoyour fullest self?
And when we think about ourexperiences that way, when we
(36:45):
think about them from this ideaof what if there was more here?
What if there was an experienceon this soul level, what if
this soul level experience wasthe catalyst for my mind
understanding something deeper.
It takes the victim mindset out,because I think when we have a
chronic illness or we're in anabusive relationship, or we do
lose a child or whatever it isthat we are going through.
(37:07):
It is hard.
Like you said, it doesn't takeaway from the fact that it's
hard, but it's also so easy forus to get stuck in that grief or
the loss or the anger or thefear or all of these really
heavy emotions that are easierto shove to the side than to sit
with and process.
But when we can take it fromthis perspective of there's
(37:30):
something for me here, there's adeeper meaning here.
This is a catalyst forsomething.
It can help us to have thecourage not only to then look at
those really difficult emotionsand figure out what is it that
I need to be able to processthose, knowing that it's in the
processing of those emotionsthat we learn our biggest
lessons, right?
But it also opens us up to thisidea that I don't have to give
(37:52):
my power away anymore, not toanother person, but especially
not to life.
And that, for me, has been oneof the biggest switches after
learning about soul contracts isthis idea that we can be a
victim to life.
In fact, a lot of us arevictims to life because we feel
like it's just happening to us,it's happening at us, life is
(38:13):
hard and it sucks and that justis how it is right.
That statement that probablyall of us have said at some
point in our lives is a victimstatement and an example of how
we're giving away our power tolife and saying this is how it
is, I can't change it, when, inreality, because we are
spiritual beings having a humanexperience yes, we have these
(38:34):
contracts or these agreements orthese karmic cycles, whatever
you want to call them.
We have these contracts, but wealso have free will, you want
to call them.
We have these contracts, but wealso have free will.
We are spiritual beings, yes,but we're also human in that we
get to make choices and we getto experience and we get to have
the emotions and the thoughtsand work through them and find
what that catalyst is opening usup for.
(38:54):
But we only get to go throughthat process if we consciously
engage with it, and so a lot oftimes I've started thinking
about those harder experiencesin life as wake-up calls.
I had one of those this pastweekend.
My husband and I had a reallydifficult situation come up and
it was this moment of sittingthere and realizing it feels
(39:14):
like a physical tug of like Icould choose to stay stuck in
the emotion and, just likeblackout, sit down, not do it be
done, or we could move throughit and we could feel the
feelings and we could do thethings and we could step through
it, knowing that on the otherside, yeah, this middle part's
going to be harder because we'reactually going to be looking at
(39:36):
the problem and we're actuallygoing to be having the
conversations, but what happenson the other side is it's going
to get better.
There's going to be more feeling, more connection, more whatever
it is on the other side,because we allow this experience
, instead of being, like youknow, a jackhammer to our heart
and beat us down, it becomeslike a jackhammer to those walls
that we've put up, and thosedifficult experiences can break
(39:57):
down all of those walls andthose barriers that we've put up
if we let them.
And I love that way of lookingat life problems because it
really does completely shift, Ithink, the way that a lot of
people would live their lives ifwe could take some of that
victimhood mentality out of itand go.
What if it wasn't that?
What if there was more to it?
(40:17):
What if there was a differentway of seeing this situation?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Absolutely, and I think too, with that, with the
victimhood mentality, is notjust filling the victim, but
also people victimize people,right?
So a lot of times, like you,you know, especially like with
empaths this weekend I went toan amazing conference and it was
a.
I was there only for two days,but I went to the conscious expo
in LA and it was like two,10,000 people were registered
(40:49):
and it was just back to backworkshops and channelers and all
the all the people, and it wasjust so amazing.
But one of the main things thatthey were talking about was
then empaths came up and it saidyou know what happens?
And this was actually a channel, a channel that was talking and
what he was saying is when youare feeling into what other
(41:11):
people are feeling, right, as anempath, we take it on.
He goes why do you look at, whydo you want to tune into?
Just the trauma and the dramaand all of that he's like tune
into the light of the person,tune into the magnificence of
them.
He goes you humans, you're soattached to being the victim or
attached to the emotion,attached to the experience,
(41:33):
instead of being the observer ofit and saying this happened to
me and I can shift myperspective of that and let that
go.
And that's where the freedom offorgiveness comes in.
Right Is knowing you canforgive yourself, you can
forgive others, you can forgivethe situation, you can release
it so you can move forward, youcan move on from that, and that
(41:55):
can help you really shift thatperspective and the way that you
walk in life and it makes youstronger with it and it gives
you it's like lifting your headup and seeing through a
different lens and that is whenwe come to soul contracts is
definitely giving ourself thegrace and the space to be able
to say I'm going through thisnow, but this is just a season
(42:17):
in my life.
What am I meant to learn fromhere?
So I can grow and evolve in thenext stage?
Right, and so we all have thatopportunity.
We can all choose to be avictim and we can all choose to
grow out of it and so, and toempower ourself and to stand in
the knowledge and the wisdom ofwhat we've gained.
And you know when, that, whenwe're able to do that, it just,
(42:42):
I think it makes life juicier,it makes life more tangible and
fun, and it's like, because wecan't oh, we.
You can get stuck in it, but youdon't want to be stuck in it,
you know, like something thathappened 20, 30 years ago should
not still identify us for whowe are today.
Right, and we don't need toself-punish and we don't need to
(43:03):
continue to do all that.
And when you can't forgive andmove forward from a situation,
what we're doing is we're justpunishing ourselves or stripping
ourselves away from life andfrom the experience of life and
being able to go and journey anddo the things in life that is
fun.
And what we're here to do,right, is to experience this
(43:23):
earth and this experience ofwalking and journeying with
people and meeting new peopleand having all those different,
like travel and whatever it isyou wanna do in life, but be
abundant in it, be expansive init, because this lifetime, when
it's over, it's over Now.
I believe in reincarnation.
We come back, but you're nevergoing to be the personality that
(43:45):
you are right now, you know,and so it's like, yeah, go enjoy
it and know that things aregoing to happen and we're going
to have these life experiencesthat we have contracted through,
but it's okay to look at it forwhat it is and allow yourself
to shift out of it much faster.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
And it takes a lot of the fear out of it too.
I think a lot of times when wehave such heavy things happen in
our lives, we kind of sitwaiting.
For I know I'm, I'm really,really I really get into this
cycle, sometimes in my own head,of waiting for the other shoe
to drop, like when's the nextbad thing going to happen.
But when we can look at it fromthe lens of soul contracts and
(44:22):
from that invitation of, can youlet yourself experience life
instead of thinking your waythrough it, instead of trying to
figure out all of the storiesand what the right answer is and
what the wrong answer is, andhow you're going to live your
life perfectly so that when youdie you don't regret it?
Right, that thought patternthat our brain gets on, instead
of thinking your way throughlife thought pattern that our
(44:42):
brain gets on, instead ofthinking your way through life,
can you let yourself experiencelife and understand that, within
that realm of experiencing lifefrom your heart, from your soul
, those difficult experiencesare just catalysts to allow you
to deepen in that experience, toallow you to deepen in the joy
and the passion and theconnection that you have in life
, if you choose to allow them to.
(45:05):
And I think that's one of themost empowering things about
soul contracts is, yeah, yoursoul is going to experience it
either way, but you get to bringyour mind on board so that you
can make the free will choice toget everything out of it that
you were meant to get out of it.
And that in itself is soempowering, because by making
that choice, by choosing tobelieve that these difficult
(45:26):
experiences are just catalystsfor deeper experience, you are
claiming your power back.
You are making an empoweredchoice, you're bringing your
mind along for the ride so that,yeah, no, you're not thinking
your way through life, but youare experiencing it, and all of
you get to experience it, and soit does.
It takes away a lot of the fearbecause then, instead of
(45:47):
thinking, oh my gosh, when's thenext bad thing going to happen,
it's I am fully experiencinglife and when something happens,
I know on a deep soul levelthat it will be okay, because
it's just that catalyst for thenext layer of understanding and
the next level of consciousnessand the next deepening of that
experience.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, I think a lot of people they do their in that
when is the next shoe going todrop?
And then you spend so muchenergy waiting for that next
shoe to drop.
That may never happen and if itdoes, it may be like 10, 15
years from now, you know.
So it's just like live in themoment.
That's why it's like just fortoday, do not worry.
You know, I always joke with mymom because she, with my Grammy
(46:30):
, she's always like for 20 years, you know, talking about you
know she could die, and I'm likemom for 20 years doing this and
she's 88, you know now, andit's like and so it's just
interesting to me because thefear was there and that fear has
created so much anxiety in her.
And it's like don't think likethat, just live life and enjoy
(46:54):
the moments that you have.
Right, because her time willcome when her time is there.
Not because you think it willhappen when her time is there,
not because you think it willhappen, but yeah, definitely
it's.
It's a very tricky place to bewhen you're concerned or worried
about what may happen, you know, because it's like then you go
(47:15):
to um, what you think creates areality, so we actually start
pulling in that experiencebecause we're aligning to that
frequency of the universe to sayI'm waiting for this to happen.
The universe goes okay, well,here, let me give it to you.
And then we're creating our ownsuffering and our own struggle
and just the thought and theworry in its own way is its own
suffering.
So it really is starting tocome out of this concept where
(47:37):
our mind can create an entireworld that isn't even happening.
Think how many people have panicattacks.
Well, they're all snuggledsafely in bed and then they have
a thought that creates a panicattack and they're going through
that emotion.
But it's the mind that'sprojecting and going through
memories and everything andreleasing chemicals that causes
(47:58):
an unsafe experience whileyou're safely nestled in bed.
I just find that interestingand how powerful our mind can be
either way, either reallypowerful on the negative side or
really powerful in the positiveside.
But it's that thought catchingand the retraining of our
thoughts and our mind to say, no, I am safe, I am good yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
So, with that said, as we kind of bring this one in
for a landing, I would love toknow if someone was interested
in really taking this soulcontracts idea and applying it
to their own life.
Like, if they're ready to divein, what piece of advice or tool
would you give them to takethis to the next level?
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Definitely getting Sacred Contracts the book,
because that really does helpyou dive in and there's a lot of
videos to do it.
But, like I said in thebeginning, it's looking at your
own life, connecting your owndots, noticing, like the people
who were involved, whatsituation, trauma or event that
(49:03):
occurred and what was theoutcome, what positive came out
of that.
And then when you, when you dothat, it actually helps you to
heal it because you'll see itfrom that bigger perspective,
right, but even right now, ifyou look at something that
you're going through even thoughwe don't know the end result of
it in the moment but see whatcould possibly come forward from
(49:23):
it, and so just having that inyour own perspective can really
help you play with it.
Because in the end, that's whatit is where you're playing with
this and what your contracts are, and know that you can end
contracts, like if you havetoxic people in your life and
you're like I am done with thiscontract or I have learned this
lesson, because the mind willkeep you in this loop, but the
(49:46):
soul is going to take you on aspiral, right, so it loops back
around to say, hey, did youlearn this, did you?
How did you do?
Did you learn it?
It wants to remind you of thelessons that you're here to
learn, and so the mind will keepyou in an endless loop, but the
soul doesn't do that.
So tune into the heart and fillinto it.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Beautiful.
So, with that said, if you haveenjoyed this conversation, if
you have enjoyed learning aboutsoul contracts, let us know.
We'd love to see you over inour Facebook group to hear your
top takeaway from today'sconversation and to share what
you learned or what you realizedwhen you did this exercise that
Chantel invited us into.
And, of course, if you wouldlike us to do a part two and
(50:29):
dive even deeper into this,knowing that there is so much
more to soul contracts than whatwe were able to share here, let
us know.
We would love to do a part two,but until next time, thank you
for listening and may you awakento the whispers of wisdom
rising from within.
Thanks for tuning in to today'sshow.
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