March 3, 2025 • 49 mins
Unravel the mysteries of soul contracts in this enlightening episode! Listen as Christine and Shantel share profound insights backed by personal stories, exploring how understanding soul contracts can empower individuals on their journey of self-discovery and healing. By delving into the core of what a soul contract entails—relationships, teachings, and the underlying unity consciousness—we invite listeners to reflect on their personal journeys and how their soul agreements tie into their life experiences.
In this episode, you'll hear:
• An overview of soul contracts
• A reflection on the personal impact of understanding soul contracts
• Explanation of unity consciousness as it relates to soul agreements
• Discussion on the role of archetypes in understanding our soul contracts
• Insight into how relationships serve as profound teachers in our lives
• Encouragement on how to recognize your divine purpose
• How soul contracts can empower us to step out of victimhood mindset
• And more!
So tune in now to unlock your purpose!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine René,
isabel Wells and Chantelle Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.
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Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and
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balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Hello, hello and welcome backto another amazing episode of
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the Wisdom Rising podcast.
In today's episode, you'll joinChristine Rene and Chantel
Ochoa for part two of our soulcontracts conversation.
If you tuned into the podcast afew weeks ago, you heard our
first episode Understanding thePower of Soul Contracts, where
Chantel and myself dove intoeverything about soul contracts
and looking at them aspre-incarnation agreements and
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the distinction between the soulperspective and the human
perspective, and so much more.
If you didn't hear that firstamazing episode, I will link it
in the show notes.
I encourage you to listen tothat one before you dive into
this one, because in today'sepisode, chantel and Christine
are going to take the idea ofsoul contracts one step further
and bring them to the personallevel.
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So they'll be sharing their ownstories of how soul contracts
have shown up in their life, howlearning to work with these
soul contracts has transformedtheir spiritual journey, and so
much more.
They'll even dive deeper intothe idea of unity consciousness,
why soul contracts are soimportant, how we can heal
through them, and so much more.
So be sure to listen to partone before diving into today's
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part two episode.
In addition, if you love all ofthis information about soul
contracts, be sure to joinChantel for a four-week
masterclass starting on March11th.
This class will meet for fourweeks on Tuesdays at 5 pm
Pacific time, 8 pm Eastern time,and in this class, chantel will
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cover waking up to unityconsciousness, what soul
contracts and soul families are,how to empower yourself by
understanding soul contracts,introduce you to the
archetypical guides and the rolethey play in your life, learn
how to map and recognize yourown soul contracts, all while
learning valuable steps forpersonal growth and collective
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healing.
So, once again, if you areready to master the idea of soul
contracts and learn how theyaffect your life, purpose, so
that you can live a moreauthentic and empowered life,
then this soul contractsmasterclass is for you.
This is the first of a seriesof masterclasses that we're
doing here at the Moon RisingShamanic Institute.
We'll have another onelaunching next week, but for now
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, know that this is your lastfull week to enroll in Chantel's
four-week soul contractsmasterclass.
Again.
That starts next Tuesday, march11th, at 5 pm Pacific time, 8
pm Eastern time.
In addition, if you're lookingfor another fantastic way to
connect with our shamaniccommunity, I invite you to join
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That starts this Wednesday.
Gateway to Spirit Book Club.
That starts this Wednesday,march 5th, at 4 pm Pacific time,
7 pm Eastern time.
We're diving into BraidingSweetgrass by Robin Wall
Kimmerer.
This book is one of my personalall-time favorite books.
This is my third, second orthird time through reading it
and I am so excited to dive intoit with our community Book Club
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.
This Time Around will be meetingevery other Wednesday for an
hour, and this week, on March5th, at 5 pm Mountain Time, 7 pm
Eastern Time, we'll be talkingabout part one of Braiding
Sweetgrass.
But don't worry, if you're justhearing about this now and you
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You're welcome to join in theconversation and then catch up
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soul contracts.
Let's go to the show.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
All right, welcome.
Welcome everyone for anotherwhispers of wisdom, our
community conversation on all ofall things, spiritual topics.
Um, I'm joined with ChantelOchoa today for a part two on
our soul contracts conversationand I'm excited because I wasn't
included on the firstconversation.
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So now I get to come in andshare my perspectives and we're
going to dive into some personalstories about how soul
contracts and that idea hasimpacted our lives.
So welcome, chantel.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Hello everyone, good morning.
I'm just burning some polo overhere getting my mind into this
conversation.
So, yeah, I'm excited aboutthis one too and the fact that
you and I get to jump on thisconversation.
Since Izzy and I did it lasttime, this is going to be really
.
It's just so informational.
(07:08):
You know, and this morning Igot up and just so everyone
knows, soul Contracts is basedoff of this book, sacred
Contracts by Carolyn Miss, andso I'm just showing that because
that's where this really doescome from.
She does a really beautiful jobof putting it down on paper and
explaining what it's all about,but it's our soul contracts,
(07:32):
right?
So this has been with us sinceour birth, since the beginning
of time, all of it.
But the way that it is taughtis just so profound because when
you understand it, it reallyhas a strong impact on your life
.
Because when you understand it,it really has a strong impact
on your life.
Today, jumping on and talkingabout household contracts show
up in our life, how we can mapthem, recognize them and see the
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bigger picture.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And I love that this.
This is our part two.
This is like an expansion of,and so I'm really I'm, I'm, I'm
excited, I'm getting ready.
I'm drinking my coffee thismorning.
It's decaf, but that's exactlyall I can handle.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I got myself a big old mug of coffee this morning.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
My mind's been going for a couple hours already, so
I'm like, yeah, just fill it up,I might as well get in with me
just just drinking my, mymushroom coffee with a little
decaf and and set my son offthis morning, got him I didn't
get him off the airport, like Iwas planning on getting him off
the airport, but he's.
(08:33):
He jumped on a plane down toArizona for a one week trial
internship and I'm just he's soadulting.
He's 18 and he's adulting andI'm like I'm going to miss you.
You need to call me.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
It's crazy when they start.
Yeah, my daughter is moving toArizona on Wednesday.
Yeah, transitions right yeahyeah, you know, and I was
thinking about it, my sister isasking about it and I said, you
know, her adventure createsadventure for me.
So I'm trying to see it in away that's more.
It's going to get me intoArizona more often and I'll
(09:05):
travel and do things that areout of my box right now, which
is great, you know, because Ihaven't been Arizona in a minute
and it's one of my favoritestates.
So I'm just seeing it as it's areally big positive, even
though it took me a few monthsto kind of adjust to the idea.
But once I got out of my momhead I was like no, she needs to
go do her and we'll see whathappens and how it all works out
(09:26):
.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I love this as we tie it into soul contracts, soul
family agreements of like.
How do we show up as mothers,how do we show up in a
supportive way to these likereally big relationships in our
life, and for me it's like it'sbeen really interesting.
I have a very interestingrelationship with my son because
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I'm more wild than he is, likeI'm just, I'm more living life
than he is and I'm like come on,zach, like let's go to this
thing or let's have thisexperience.
And he's like no, mom, I'mtrying to be responsible right
now.
Come on, buddy, mom, I'm tryingto be responsible right now.
Come on, buddy, don't play withme.
(10:09):
But he's also like I have avery unique relationship with
him and the fact that you know,just the other day he called me
on his way home it was probablylike 10 PM and he's like, okay,
mom, get our drinks ready, getthe oven on.
Like I'm going to come home,we're going to dish.
Like he drinks ready, get theoven on.
Like I'm going to come home,we're going to dish.
Like he's he, he.
I came home.
He came home and he literallychatted my ear off about every
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detail of his life for an hourand a half and I'm like I don't
know what 18 year old does thiswith his mom.
But we hold each other with suchan air of confidant and
nonjudgment that it's veryunique relationship and I love
that.
That's part of our soulagreement to have this
acceptance of one another andshowing up for one another.
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And I'm like, okay, buddy, ifyou're going to leave you're
he's leaving me Like he's tryingto leave the nest as soon as
possible, like he even told methe other day that he's planning
on, he's thinking about takinga few weeks off in May to start
his internship early, eventhough he still has high school
classes.
He's like I'm sure I can figureit out with my teachers to like
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be done early, and I'm like, ohmy God, like the moment he
leaves he's never coming home.
Like there's this knowingness,but I'm like he will never be
back in Montana.
He's so over Montana and I'mlike, yeah, I'm like so he is
gone, but I've alreadycultivated such a relationship
that I'm like it'll be okay,it'll, it'll be, I'll be all
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right.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And he's going from one extreme to the other.
So that's such a trip too,because he's going from the
mountains in the snow to thedesert and the heat.
Yeah, yeah, that is.
It really does, mark, and itshows you how your soul contract
with your son is showing up.
You know the mother and the sonrelationship and how you guys
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are holding space for each otherin your own growth, even though
there's however many yearsbetween you.
You know you can look at eachother as the humans that you are
, even though you hold thisreally significant role in his
life.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah Well and the roles have been messy for a long
time.
His father has been toxic, rightLike and I've talked about this
on the show many times abouthis father showing up in a very
strong, narcissistic,emotionally abusive behavior.
And as soon as my son becamemore and more an adult, he was
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able to see what therelationship was for it, for
what it was and really learninghow to advocate for his own
boundaries and have this reallycrown chakra perspective of his
relationship with his dad going.
I know exactly why I have thefather that I have and I know
exactly why I have the motherthat I have and I'm accepting of
what gifts they brought me andthe choice that I have with the
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relationship with each and I'mlike what 18 year old has that
level of self-awareness to beginwith.
So I feel absolutely proud ofhim and also like what a gift
for him to move forward into his, into his life, of making
choices, of recognizing his soulpath, of what his parents
offered him Right, even thoughhe what he knows his dad is
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emotionally abusive.
He doesn't have any victimhoodmentality out of it, right, and
so he's like I see the blessingsthat my father gave me by
toughening me up and making surethat I don't make the same
choices that he did which is whyhe won't drink or do drugs or
you know all of these thingsCause he saw that that was part
of his dad's path.
His dad's a dry alcoholic or afunctional alcoholic, I should
(13:40):
say.
And and so it's.
It's just really awesome towitness someone at that such
young age having that level ofawareness and choice of.
I'm not going to let my pastrule and dictate my future.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, he's not over identifying with all of the
experiences that he's had in hischildhood.
So now he can take on life andtake on his adulthood in a
different perspective, versusbeing the victim of mom and
daddy issues.
He's like no, he's been able toheal through that with you and
his journey as he's been gettingolder and then, at the same
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time, recognizing where his dadstands and holds that space for
him too.
So that's pretty darn amazingactually.
Yeah, I'm like good job, I knowright Myself on the back over
here.
Yeah, and it just it really doesshow when you can see the
bigger picture in situations inour life, how it can alchemize
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and how it can show up like howwe can grow through it, versus
it becoming something that wehave to consistently heal
through.
We can see it for what it is inthe moment and say, okay, I can
move and shift through this andit doesn't have to be this long
, you know, decade to decadething that we're having to heal
through, and so that's just.
(14:58):
I think kids are just coming in, so different these days to the
awareness and when you haveconscious parents, it's just a
different experience all the wayaround.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Absolutely.
I remember when I took him toone of my good friends and
colleagues and she's a past liferegressionist and you know,
really wanted to kind of helphim see the idea of soul
contracts from the past andwhat's bringing forward, and I
it was like a fundamental shiftin his awareness from I think he
(15:30):
was probably 12 or somewherebetween 12 and 14 when I brought
him and the, the past liferegressionist was like oh my
gosh, you should be so proud ofyour parents.
They haven't killed each otherthis lifetime.
You know.
Like it was like they'rethey're actually functioning and
not causing physical harm.
Like we're making progress,like just in having that idea of
(15:52):
that we've come from suchcontrast past lives.
And then having Zach recognizehis relationship with his father
through past lives of why hisfather is so attached to him,
this lifetime is so based on thestories of the past lives so
that he could recognize like, ohwell, yeah, we weren't together
(16:14):
and when we were Vikings, likeone of us would have died.
Like he had that recognition ofall of his past stories and
past lives that brought him tohis new soul agreements, this
lifetime of what he wanted toget out of this relationship.
And when I met his father, itreally was like, the moment I
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saw him I was like, oh, that'sthe, that's the father of my
child.
You know, like that awarenessof not, he's my soulmate, not
I'm going to be with him forever, not instant love, it was, oh,
that's the father of my child.
And I could feel like this veilcome over me to make sure I
would come into union with thisperson so that the child would
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be a product of it, right, like,and in that, in those certain
instances, right.
And so I just find this, thistopic, so interesting and can be
so validating to understand whyour past is what it is and to
bring us out of that victimhoodmode of going.
Yeah, of course I chose that,of course this child needed to
(17:17):
be a product, of course I neededto learn this lesson, of course
I needed to learn how to findmy own independence and truth
and work through it.
And for me, a lot of it washaving boundaries right, like
that was my big life lesson,that his father was the teacher
of Right.
And so I, I just love, I justlove soul contracts, because it
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makes sense to me, it makeseverything make sense.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, I get that now I think
when you there's a knowing tothe remembering of you know this
.
I was thinking about it thismorning when I was kind of
making some notes for thisconversation and I see I speak
of it like I've done this deepdive of studying with it and
everything, and when I reallythought about it I'm like I
really haven't, you know, butit's when the concept came
(18:05):
through, is like this huge, justdownload of remembering and
knowing that it just impacted mysoul on such a heavy level,
like just such an extreme level,that it broke through so many
like barriers in my life.
And that is literally when youknow the truth is coming forward
, is when it speaks to you onsuch a profound level and then
(18:26):
you can map it out and see itfor what it is and you're like,
oh my gosh, this is what we'rehere to do.
And so part of the things I wasthinking about this morning is
why there's like fear of changeor what can happen that we
create a whole reality based offof that in our own thought
(18:53):
patterns, and it's like it'sreally not what it's about.
We got to get out of thatfear-based energy to take chance
to say, hey, you know whatthere's already, things that we
have predict, we have put inplace an action for our life and
just trust in the flow thatwhat's coming forward is for our
highest good.
And when those things do comeforward that are traumatic,
(19:15):
they're difficult to go through,it gives you this sense of like
standing in your warriorposition and say I can handle
this because I've learned all ofthese techniques to be able to
stand strong, to be able to facethis.
And when you learn about thearchetypes, which is also a part
of our soul contracts, becausegoing through it, it's like you
have our archetypes, we have ourchakras, which are our
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emotional energy fields.
That is how one of the things Ireally loved in it it says our
biography becomes our biology.
And I was like, yes, so I wrotethat down because it's so true.
It's our story becomes ourhealth, it becomes our illnesses
and our disease.
So we either are going tomanifest good health because
we're moving and shiftingthrough our stories in a
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positive way, or we're going toshift through them in a negative
way and that causes disease andillness.
And I was like, okay, there yougo.
So we have archetypes, you havechakras, we have our soul
contracts and you know, withpeople in our life and it's just
so.
It's layered upon, layered uponlayered, but when you see it
and you're like I get it, it alljust kind of fits in.
(20:20):
All the puzzle pieces fit intogether, you know, Absolutely,
yeah, I love it.
So I thought we could get ontosome like part of the
masterclass that's coming up inMoon Rising, which starts on the
11th March 11th and I'm reallyexcited about it but is
recognizing our mapping out ourown soul contract.
(20:41):
So I thought you and I can dothat.
We've been doing that a littlebit right now, but I want to
kind of start it off andrecognize, like, even through
some of the most difficultaspects of our life, you can see
it when you look back, you cansee how it has impacted our life
to grow us and to build us andto help us be go where we're
going, right, who are we coming?
(21:02):
And so, um, as a child and I'vetalked about this you know my,
my dad was in an accident when Iwas four and he, he died and he
died and my mom was 22.
I was four, my brother wasthree and my mom was eight
months pregnant with my sisterRight.
But my dad, who raised us,stepped right in, like right in
(21:24):
and raised us as if we were hisown and never looked back as if
we were stepchildren or thoughtof us anything less than right,
and we never looked at our dadas anything less than our dad.
So we were like we always hadour real dad and then we had our
dad that raised us and loved uslike he was.
And as an adult I look back andI'm like, wow, my dad, you know
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, he took on a grieving motherand three grieving children and
loved us in such a deep,profound way that even 15 years
later then they had my youngestsister.
And see, when you look at it,it's like my dad and my parents.
So, on a much bigger, okay,Human experience, tragedy upon
tragedy upon tragedy.
(22:07):
But on a soul level, if youlook at us coming together to
discuss what we're going to gothrough, right, they all came.
We came to this agreeance thatmy dad was going to come in.
Us three kids were going to bethe product of the relationship
of my parents, right, and then,through his departure, his
transition, my dad was now goingto come in to raise us and have
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his imprint on us and then mysister would come in later,
which could have never happenedif my dad would have stayed.
You know what I'm saying.
So it's like when you have thatbig picture.
So what is it that I learnedfrom that?
One is resilience.
One is being able to look atdeath and handle death, and be
able to move through the processof grief but then to be strong
(22:51):
Right.
And so there was a lot ofthings I had to learn through
that process, but when you canpoint it out, it's like wow,
that's just so profound and wecan find the blessings within
the traumas of it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Well, and also I'm curious for you and your
learnings was it also allowinglove to come in rad and radical
way, even in the midst ofsomething that's heavy?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, being able to accept somebody else coming in
and saying, okay, you're now mydad.
Yeah, absolutely Acceptingothers that in our life.
And then, even when you weretalking about your son's dad, I
had that because how old wereyou?
So I was 16 when I got pregnantwith my first son.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I was 24 when I had my son, so I probably was
married off.
I was married off is what Ifelt like.
I was married when I was 22 andhad only been with him like a
year prior.
Okay, it was still young, likecompared like we were young when
we had our first babies.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah.
And then it's like the knowingof like.
When I met my son's dad, Ididn't feel like, oh, you're
mine forever.
No, it was like, literally, youare the father of my child,
that's coming, and I just knewit.
I just knew it.
And then when I had him, I wasdone with that relationship.
It was like I got what I neededfrom the relationship.
I learned so much from him in,you know, the leaving in the
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relationship of itself.
And then in the end, I have myson, and that he has been my
oldest son, has been my biggestlesson and he is the one who
made me step up and be a momRight.
So it was like all these thingsthat happened in our life and
when we look at it it's like, ohshit, how the heck did I get
(24:39):
through all that?
But it's because it's part ofthe contract in which we're here
to do yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, and I feel like for mine it was like, okay, I
had my son at 24.
I left his dad by the time Iwas 26.
And the lesson wasn't over.
Like I learned how to createthose physical boundaries of
like you're no longer, I'm nolonger available to have you
physically in my life, like Idon't want to be in your
presence.
To now I need to learn how tohave emotional boundaries Now.
(25:05):
I need to learn how to havepsychic boundaries Now.
I need to learn how to put allthese things in place so that
I'm not under emotional attack.
And overall, like that custodybattle lasted about 10 years and
so the lesson afterwards waseven longer.
Like the emotional abuse thatwas occurring during the
(25:26):
marriage was significant.
I had lost a lot of weight, Iwas, uh, I I mean people looking
like people have told me I wasjust a doormat and I it was.
I had no, no level of selfesteem, no level of
self-confidence, no level ofstanding up for myself, and if
(25:46):
you've been listening to thispodcast for a while, you know
like that is not my story at allanymore.
Right, like I've radicallyshifted mindsets and it took not
just the relationship but the10 years custody battle
afterwards to get to the pointof I no longer give any fucks.
I no longer like if it there'sa level of having to surrender
(26:13):
in the process and giving thepower when he was older, like
giving the power to my son oflike this is who your dad is.
The court says that you can'thave to have a you know, a poor
parent and there's nothing I cando to protect you, and so now
it's your job to learn how toprotect yourself.
And this is your journey, yourstory.
(26:33):
And so it became a transitionof me and mama bear mode of
always trying to protect him,always trying to make sure all
of his needs were met too.
I can't control this.
This is literally the fatherthat you chose to come in with
and I can't change that.
I'm like no matter what I can,no matter what I do, I cannot
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change the fact that you choseyour parents.
And once I made that recognition, things became to shift,
because I wasn't energeticallyattached to a role that I was
trying to fit into that wasn'tworking.
I was just making myselfincredibly sick, and so there
was that transition of like okay, I can have all these
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boundaries in place, I canaccept the fate for which it was
dealt, because it was my choice, it was our choice, it was my
son's choice, it was my ex'schoice.
And how can we move forward?
And once I let go of that levelof control, everything shifted.
Like the the level of attackenergetically and emotionally
(27:39):
from my ex just stopped becauseI stopped caring.
I was like whatever man likeyou're not going to phase me If
he couldn't hook me in, then itwas, there was nothing there to
trigger, right.
And so once the trigger wasgone, he stopped, he stopped.
And I'm like, wow, what, what alesson just in that.
And then how do I want tocontinue my healing process so I
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could help others in the worldheal from the same type of that
empath meets narcissist.
You know consistentrelationships that happen in our
reality, like there's a reasonwhy these two consistently come
together, because it is adynamic of the greatest lessons
that you can possibly learn in arelationship is the empath
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needs to learn how to haveenergetic boundaries and how to
have boundaries and stand up forthemselves and be an
independent individual.
And then the narcissist theirjob, like I always say, like my
ex knows everything is socommitted to his soul, agreement
, like he's so committed to this.
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I'm going to offer lessonseverywhere.
I go and everyone needs to haveboundaries with him, and so it's
just so interesting to kind ofbe like yeah, he's doing great,
he's doing fantastic in the rolethat he chose to come into.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, and I find that interesting because one thing
is, I think it releases a levelof judgment when you see, when
we see like you are doing yourjob so fantastic that I can't
even judge it, because we don'tknow what we're here to do.
Right, we don't know everyone'scontract, but what I do really
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love about this is that we getto go within ourself and we can
map them out and see them forhow they are, without having to
go and have somebody tell uswhat they are.
You know what I mean, andthat's the thing.
It's coming back to our ownself and sourcing our
information.
So, yes, you having like thenarcissist coming in and you and
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the empath and the child comingforward and the archetypes of
all of that, it's just like bam,bam, bam, right there, right,
and so for mine, it's likereally just seeing how each role
has played out.
Like my mother daughterrelationship has been a huge
impact.
Right has been a huge impactright, and it's like I've
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learned from her in so manyprofound ways that I almost do
the opposite of everything mymom does, and not like so much
intentionally, but it's just inmy personality.
If she's reacted this way insomething, I do the opposite and
that works really really wellfor me.
So it's like she is the mirrorfor me and how I need to walk
really really well for me.
So it's like she is the mirrorfor me and how I need to walk.
(30:25):
And so I've learned how to notbe triggered by things, comments
she makes or actions that shehas, because it doesn't flow for
me in my life.
So I see it, it's a mirror.
I give thanks to it and now Ican go and try to be as
untriggable as possible and whenwe're really there, we're like,
no, I'm not going to betriggered by that.
That is the healing, and on sucha profound way.
(30:47):
And so a lot of this is where'syour personal power?
Right, it's really tuning intoour personal power and saying
nobody can take it from me.
We have to give away our power.
It's not something that can betaken from us unless we allow
that to happen.
And that's when you stand inyour sovereignty and that's when
you stand in your true,authentic self of your power.
(31:09):
And no, this is mine andenergetically, I'm setting all
of my boundaries, but Irecognize where everyone is and
how everyone is playing a rolein my life.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, absolutely, and I love that.
This is where Caroline Miss,with her soul, contracts books,
where it really comes togetherwith these different archetypes
of where are we standing inwhich archetype and what area of
life is that in?
And the whole thing just getsreally curious for me.
Like I and I think that I lovethat word Like I love getting
curious about this stuff becausethe more self-awareness that we
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have, the more we can step outof the victimhood role.
Like I can see that where thesaboteur shows up, I can see
where my victim shows up, I cansee where my prostitute shows up
, and those are some of thosearchetypes that we all possess.
We all have those, thoseidentities, and which area of
life they show up in.
So when, like, for example, myprostitute is in my house of
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marriage, like it is in my role,like romantic relationships,
and I'm like, wow, that is sofucked up.
Like I can see that, like I canhave this awareness of, like I
can see where that has gone awryin the past and how do I choose
to recognize that?
This is a archetype that I wantto transmute.
(32:27):
I want to help her alchemizeinto the lover, into the
priestess, if you will, of going.
I can see my relationships oflike here's I'm transactional
right, like I'll do this for youif you do this for me.
Like that transactional, likethat is what the prostitute come
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boils down to and when I can go.
You know, I'm intentionallychoosing not to have that
behavior in my romanticpartnership and we're going to
give it the light of what thatis and what how.
It has been an issue in my pastof going well, how do I want to
move forward?
What would the, what would thelover do, what would the
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priestess do in this situation?
And how can I embody thosearchetypes and say I'm no longer
available to have atransactional relationship,
right, and so this is where it'slike it can get fun, where it's
like you're challengingyourself to be the grandest
version of who you are, becauseif we're in that mode, we're
literally going all right, soulcontract.
(33:32):
I see you, I see what you're upto and I'm going to be become
the most vibrant version of whoI am, the most expansive version
of who I am.
No longer am I going to playvictim to the roles that I was
given and I can transmute theminto their highest qualities.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, yeah, and that is.
That is the game of it, right?
That's the game of life when itall boils down to it is that
we're just we're here trying tofigure out why we're here and
what our purpose is, and throughthat we have our soul guides
that come in and thesearchetypes that say, hey, I'm
going to create a scenario foryou to alchemize your highest
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version and how are you going toshow up in that and say, yes,
the victim coming through, thesaboteur, the prostitute, all of
it.
And when you can stand in asthe priestess, as the warrior,
as your divine feminine right,your masculine, all of it, you
are alchemizing yourself andyou're really taking on this
strong role of life and justsaying I can get through this
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and your purpose and missionstarts showing up for you
through this.
And your purpose and missionstarts showing up for you
because it's like you start tosee all of the patterns
connecting the dots and you'repulling back those fragments of
your life experiences.
That is helping you to grow andheal your heart and heal your
mind and all of the emotions andeverything.
And it's really seeing thisfrom that profound point of view
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, instead of staying in thatsmall constrictive energy of the
victim and thinking everythingis attacking me and nothing is
in my favor and I'm just sickand I'm this and I'm that.
And it's like no, speak toyourself in such a loving way
that your body has to stand upand heal, that your body has to
show up in this really profoundway to where, if you eat
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something that is not for yourhighest health good, you know
that your body is going toreject it, that it's going to
say no, and you're going to besmart enough to listen and be
aware enough to say that is notfor my highest good and I can't
be eating that stuff or drinkingthat or hanging out with toxic
people or just whatever it is.
But we're seeing these patternsin our life which show up
(35:44):
because of the soul contractsthat we have, because of the
archetypes that we're workingwith, and it's just, it's such a
profound and beautiful way ofseeing everything, like I just
see it with such an openperspective, that literally it's
like oh, I see, there, you are,there you are.
It's like boom, boom, boom andit's okay.
It's not about judgment andit's not overanalyzing and it's
(36:04):
not being stuck in my head.
It's being like having suchprofound awareness.
You see why people show up inyour life and you see how your
personal patterns will make thathappen.
We manifest it right.
Frequency matches frequency.
So if we're stuck in thatvictim, we're going to create
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victim mentality, victimsituations and scenarios to show
us like wake up.
And that's what it is.
It's all about like thatawakening of leveling ourself up
to it.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Right and I think that that's really good point on
how we are broken out of thislevel of self-judgment when we
can come to our soul agreements,our soul contracts and going no
, I signed up for this, I'mtaking full, radical
responsibility for the positionthat I'm in and I now have a
(36:56):
choice, and I think that's youknow.
I always say, like, the firststep of healing is awareness,
and so when we come into theawareness of our soul agreement,
when our soul contract, whatour archetypes are, what we
embody easily and going is thisis this to my benefit?
How can I utilize this positionto my benefit?
What is the?
And your whole body I'm?
(37:17):
This is what I really recognizeLike.
I remember even just five yearsago and having such poor posture
, like my shoulders were concave, you know, I was protecting my
heart space constantly, likemaking myself physically small
Right.
And then I've noticed over this, this last bit of timeframe
(37:37):
where it's like when I sit, I'msitting with my shoulders back,
I'm sitting with my straightspine, and that was after years
and years of hunched overnessright.
And then your body starts torecognize the energy, Like it
used to be exhausting to sit ina straight back chair or to have
my shoulders back, like it washard for my body to do it and it
(38:00):
took years to help ittransition into proper posture
Right.
And so now I feel like I canstand up tall, I can speak my
truth, like all of these thingsbecome available because your
body is responding to theknowingness of your, of your, uh
, empowerment right, like whenwe step out of victimhood, like,
(38:21):
and so, you know, sometimesthere's this fear that I'm going
to be intimidating.
When it's not intimidating,they're intimidated.
Right, like my power is what itis.
And so when we can recognize ouryou know, our sisters and
brothers who are also in theirempowerment, like, what a
different dynamic ofconversations that we have.
Like what a different dynamicof conversations that we have,
(38:43):
like we're talking about goals,we're talking about being
motivated, we're talking aboutour self-awareness, we're
talking about our healthrelationships, and when we come
in contact with people who arenot on their healing journey and
they're intimidated by mypresence or intimidated by my
fullness of who I am, and tothen meet people who are
(39:05):
accepting and loving of, wow,she's in her power, I want, I
want to hang out with thosetypes of people I'm like then
you're starting to meet your,your new tribe, right, and like
there's a transitionary time andall of that, and I just love
witnessing people shift and havethat awareness.
I think that's why I loveteaching so much.
I love being a mentor, I lovedoing coaching because I can see
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people shift into that radicalself-responsibility of going.
You know, like, if my desk is amess, guess who messed it up?
It was me.
If my kitchen is a disaster,guess what?
That was me, if I chose thisrelationship and engaged it in
such a way.
That was me.
Like I did that, I chose thatand to go.
(39:50):
I deserve better.
I am a vibration of love andtherefore I deserve more than
what this has to offer.
And you're going to start toshift out of those types of
relationships and intorelationships that then reflect
your level of self-love, right.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
And so.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I love how all of it intertwines with the soul,
agreements and contracts andarchetypes and like, as we shift
and move into understandingthat oftentimes it feels like we
are playing a game like wesigned up for it feels like we
are playing a game, like wesigned up for it.
We're in the game, we set upthe pieces, we chose the roles
(40:29):
and now we get to go okay, thisis my fucking life, I've got the
magic wand.
Here's my shamanic perspective.
If this is a dream and I'm thekey role player in it, how do I
want the pieces to move forwardin self-awareness of all of
these different people,characters that are showing up
in my life?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, and I loved the examples that you're giving
like if my desk is a mess orwhatever it's like, we can take
accountability for the messesthat we make within our home,
but when it's accountability toour behavior, we're like nope,
nope, it's everyone else andthat is just like.
No, it's the same thing If youare creating issues in your life
(41:08):
based off of your behavior,based off of your past, look at
it, be accountable to it andshift that.
And so it's really tuning intothe symbology of it.
And that's what's so powerful,too, is when you can see the
symbology of all the thingsshowing up, like you're talking
about having your back straight,right, your body responding to
(41:28):
your thoughts, your bodyresponding to your positive
behavior.
So, of course, you're going tosit up straight because you're
feeling empowered, you know.
And when is it that we don'tfeel empowered?
And suddenly it's like, oh, thehip wants to act up, this wants
to act up, the body isresponding to our thoughts, our
emotions, our energy, and soit's like nope, I am going to
sit tall, I'm going to stand inmy power and literally your body
(41:51):
responds to it and everythingelse is in flow with that,
because you're connecting it andit is like we're creating this
game and we are playing it, andso how are all the roles going
to show up and how are you goingto continue to show up in your
truth?
And when you do that, it's justlike, yeah, it's impacting
every single aspect of your life.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, I love it.
So, as you guys may know, likeI have such explicit trust for
Isabel and Chantel and liketheir roles and moon rising and
I don't know the details of yourmasterclass coming up.
I know that, like you're a rockstar when it comes to teaching
this topic and I'm like what'sup, what are you doing?
(42:33):
What are you teaching?
I want to know all the details.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Okay, so, um, the sole contract masterclass.
It is a four week class and sowe're going to be meeting on
Tuesdays, five o'clock PacificStandard Time, so eight o'clock
Eastern Standard Time, andbasically this is going to just
be like I'm going to have my youknow my part, that I'm going to
teach.
I really want to deep dive intothis, but I want to have open
(42:59):
conversations with the studentsand I want them to come forward
and be able to map out their ownsoul contracts.
I want them to see them forthemselves and be able to heal
through that.
Because it's nice when somebodycan say, hey, look at this, is
it?
And there is absolutely purposefor that to have somebody help
you to know what your contractsare and everything.
(43:20):
But when you can see it inyourself, how powerful is that?
And so we're going to tune into,like waking up to unity,
consciousness which I love, thatconcept the alchemy of your
soul.
What are soul contracts and oursoul families?
So we're going to deep diveinto that and how our soul
(43:40):
family is here and how theysupport us and how they don't
support us, and why that ishappening as well.
Empowering yourself throughyour soul contracts.
We're going to get into thearchetypes and the guides and
we're going to map out your soulcontracts and we're going to
learn about the chakras and thebiography of it and how it
becomes our biology.
(44:01):
And so just taking all of theseconcepts because, like I said,
it's layers upon layers, but Ijust it's going to be an
exciting conversation for fourweeks to learn about all of this
and how you can see it and openup the perspective to these
soul contracts and have that bigcrown, chakra, soul point of
view and bring it and earth, itground it into our life, I love
(44:25):
it.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I love that the piece of you're mapping it out, like
really starting to see thedifferent soul family positions
of, like why your father showedup the way they did, why did
your mother show up the way theydid, how did that, how did that
impact your growth anddevelopment, these guardians in
our life, as well as ourchildren, and what are, what's
(44:46):
our impact for them?
What are they trying to learn?
And like, I think it's reallycool also to go the the
stepfathers or the best friendsor the people who weren't born
into your soul agreement right,like and how they show up can be
so eyeopening, like I justreminds me of the time when my
son was like three years old andall he could talk about was
(45:09):
past lives and he would look atmy, my uh his stepdad and was
just like why can't you rememberwe were there together.
We don't like we were on theplanet together and just to go,
wow, like you can't make thatshit up of the soul.
Agreements are not just ourbloodlines, that it's so much
(45:32):
more than that.
And why certain people comeinto your life for a brief
moment to help remind you backinto what was the lessons and
learnings and the differentdynamics, and I love that.
Like we're going to, you'regoing to play with the
archetypes and the guides andall of those pieces, like, like,
we kind of want to go to classcome on in, pop on in and so and
(45:55):
it just keeps going.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
You know, so my, my husband now he's not the father
of my children.
So my husband now he's not thefather of my children, right,
but my granddaughter and mydaughter, they represent him,
they are so much like him and wealways joke around how are they
not?
Actually, he says it was kindof funny but kind of dirty, but
(46:19):
he was like how did my sperm getinto your ex-guy to have my
kids, kind of thing, you know.
And I'm like, ah, that's justjust funny because they are, my
granddaughter and him have sucha like deep connection that I'm
like, how is it possible?
And the way she is with musicand dancing and that's all him,
right, and that doesn't comefrom my daughter's biological,
my ex-husband doesn't come fromthat.
(46:40):
And so I see those soulcontracts from the moment they
like laid eyes on each other.
It was just this instantconnection and I'm talking at
two days old, you know, and soit just is so profound.
And so mapping them out, seeingthem for what they are and
having this as a big part ofyour toolbox moving forward in
(47:00):
life, it just makes everythingso much easier.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I love it.
I love it.
So if you guys are interestedin signing up, know that it's
it's.
We're now open for enrollment.
It's 288 for four weeks class,and I think what I'm hearing is
there's going to be a lot ofspiritual coaching going on to
really support you and havingthese aha moments.
So if you have theself-awareness that is going to
(47:25):
come from this class, you'regoing to be shifting out of that
victimhood mode and into yourfullness, into your power, into
your ability to say yes to lifemore fully and in a more
impactful way for those in yourworld.
And so I'm really excited thatthis is happening and I love
that we're going to be offeringmore masterclasses like this one
in the future.
(47:45):
So I'm super excited.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yay, yeah, and you know, too, that shamanism is
going to be in it.
Reiki is going to be in it.
Right, it's not just, yes, it'sfocused on soul contracts, but
it's all of it that is soencompassing.
So it's definitely like justcome forward and give yourself
this opportunity to learn and bein a group of people that are
(48:07):
all like-minded and heart-mindedand soul-based and all of it.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
I love it, so be sure to check that out.
It will be in our show notes.
And then, until next time, mayyou awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
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If you tuned into the podcast afew weeks ago, you heard our
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soul contracts has transformedtheir spiritual journey, and so
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Speaker 2 (06:12):
All right, welcome.
Welcome everyone for anotherwhispers of wisdom, our
community conversation on all ofall things, spiritual topics.
Um, I'm joined with ChantelOchoa today for a part two on
our soul contracts conversationand I'm excited because I wasn't
included on the firstconversation.
(06:33):
So now I get to come in andshare my perspectives and we're
going to dive into some personalstories about how soul
contracts and that idea hasimpacted our lives.
So welcome, chantel.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Hello everyone, good morning.
I'm just burning some polo overhere getting my mind into this
conversation.
So, yeah, I'm excited aboutthis one too and the fact that
you and I get to jump on thisconversation.
Since Izzy and I did it lasttime, this is going to be really
.
It's just so informational.
(07:08):
You know, and this morning Igot up and just so everyone
knows, soul Contracts is basedoff of this book, sacred
Contracts by Carolyn Miss, andso I'm just showing that because
that's where this really doescome from.
She does a really beautiful jobof putting it down on paper and
explaining what it's all about,but it's our soul contracts,
(07:32):
right?
So this has been with us sinceour birth, since the beginning
of time, all of it.
But the way that it is taughtis just so profound because when
you understand it, it reallyhas a strong impact on your life
.
Because when you understand it,it really has a strong impact
on your life.
Today, jumping on and talkingabout household contracts show
up in our life, how we can mapthem, recognize them and see the
(07:53):
bigger picture.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And I love that this.
This is our part two.
This is like an expansion of,and so I'm really I'm, I'm, I'm
excited, I'm getting ready.
I'm drinking my coffee thismorning.
It's decaf, but that's exactlyall I can handle.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I got myself a big old mug of coffee this morning.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
My mind's been going for a couple hours already, so
I'm like, yeah, just fill it up,I might as well get in with me
just just drinking my, mymushroom coffee with a little
decaf and and set my son offthis morning, got him I didn't
get him off the airport, like Iwas planning on getting him off
the airport, but he's.
(08:33):
He jumped on a plane down toArizona for a one week trial
internship and I'm just he's soadulting.
He's 18 and he's adulting andI'm like I'm going to miss you.
You need to call me.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
It's crazy when they start.
Yeah, my daughter is moving toArizona on Wednesday.
Yeah, transitions right yeahyeah, you know, and I was
thinking about it, my sister isasking about it and I said, you
know, her adventure createsadventure for me.
So I'm trying to see it in away that's more.
It's going to get me intoArizona more often and I'll
(09:05):
travel and do things that areout of my box right now, which
is great, you know, because Ihaven't been Arizona in a minute
and it's one of my favoritestates.
So I'm just seeing it as it's areally big positive, even
though it took me a few monthsto kind of adjust to the idea.
But once I got out of my momhead I was like no, she needs to
go do her and we'll see whathappens and how it all works out
(09:26):
.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I love this as we tie it into soul contracts, soul
family agreements of like.
How do we show up as mothers,how do we show up in a
supportive way to these likereally big relationships in our
life, and for me it's like it'sbeen really interesting.
I have a very interestingrelationship with my son because
(09:47):
I'm more wild than he is, likeI'm just, I'm more living life
than he is and I'm like come on,zach, like let's go to this
thing or let's have thisexperience.
And he's like no, mom, I'mtrying to be responsible right
now.
Come on, buddy, mom, I'm tryingto be responsible right now.
Come on, buddy, don't play withme.
(10:09):
But he's also like I have avery unique relationship with
him and the fact that you know,just the other day he called me
on his way home it was probablylike 10 PM and he's like, okay,
mom, get our drinks ready, getthe oven on.
Like I'm going to come home,we're going to dish.
Like he drinks ready, get theoven on.
Like I'm going to come home,we're going to dish.
Like he's he, he.
I came home.
He came home and he literallychatted my ear off about every
(10:29):
detail of his life for an hourand a half and I'm like I don't
know what 18 year old does thiswith his mom.
But we hold each other with suchan air of confidant and
nonjudgment that it's veryunique relationship and I love
that.
That's part of our soulagreement to have this
acceptance of one another andshowing up for one another.
(10:51):
And I'm like, okay, buddy, ifyou're going to leave you're
he's leaving me Like he's tryingto leave the nest as soon as
possible, like he even told methe other day that he's planning
on, he's thinking about takinga few weeks off in May to start
his internship early, eventhough he still has high school
classes.
He's like I'm sure I can figureit out with my teachers to like
(11:13):
be done early, and I'm like, ohmy God, like the moment he
leaves he's never coming home.
Like there's this knowingness,but I'm like he will never be
back in Montana.
He's so over Montana and I'mlike, yeah, I'm like so he is
gone, but I've alreadycultivated such a relationship
that I'm like it'll be okay,it'll, it'll be, I'll be all
(11:33):
right.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And he's going from one extreme to the other.
So that's such a trip too,because he's going from the
mountains in the snow to thedesert and the heat.
Yeah, yeah, that is.
It really does, mark, and itshows you how your soul contract
with your son is showing up.
You know the mother and the sonrelationship and how you guys
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are holding space for each otherin your own growth, even though
there's however many yearsbetween you.
You know you can look at eachother as the humans that you are
, even though you hold thisreally significant role in his
life.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah Well and the roles have been messy for a long
time.
His father has been toxic, rightLike and I've talked about this
on the show many times abouthis father showing up in a very
strong, narcissistic,emotionally abusive behavior.
And as soon as my son becamemore and more an adult, he was
(12:30):
able to see what therelationship was for it, for
what it was and really learninghow to advocate for his own
boundaries and have this reallycrown chakra perspective of his
relationship with his dad going.
I know exactly why I have thefather that I have and I know
exactly why I have the motherthat I have and I'm accepting of
what gifts they brought me andthe choice that I have with the
(12:52):
relationship with each and I'mlike what 18 year old has that
level of self-awareness to beginwith.
So I feel absolutely proud ofhim and also like what a gift
for him to move forward into his, into his life, of making
choices, of recognizing his soulpath, of what his parents
offered him Right, even thoughhe what he knows his dad is
(13:16):
emotionally abusive.
He doesn't have any victimhoodmentality out of it, right, and
so he's like I see the blessingsthat my father gave me by
toughening me up and making surethat I don't make the same
choices that he did which is whyhe won't drink or do drugs or
you know all of these thingsCause he saw that that was part
of his dad's path.
His dad's a dry alcoholic or afunctional alcoholic, I should
(13:40):
say.
And and so it's.
It's just really awesome towitness someone at that such
young age having that level ofawareness and choice of.
I'm not going to let my pastrule and dictate my future.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, he's not over identifying with all of the
experiences that he's had in hischildhood.
So now he can take on life andtake on his adulthood in a
different perspective, versusbeing the victim of mom and
daddy issues.
He's like no, he's been able toheal through that with you and
his journey as he's been gettingolder and then, at the same
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time, recognizing where his dadstands and holds that space for
him too.
So that's pretty darn amazingactually.
Yeah, I'm like good job, I knowright Myself on the back over
here.
Yeah, and it just it really doesshow when you can see the
bigger picture in situations inour life, how it can alchemize
(14:38):
and how it can show up like howwe can grow through it, versus
it becoming something that wehave to consistently heal
through.
We can see it for what it is inthe moment and say, okay, I can
move and shift through this andit doesn't have to be this long
, you know, decade to decadething that we're having to heal
through, and so that's just.
(14:58):
I think kids are just coming in, so different these days to the
awareness and when you haveconscious parents, it's just a
different experience all the wayaround.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Absolutely.
I remember when I took him toone of my good friends and
colleagues and she's a past liferegressionist and you know,
really wanted to kind of helphim see the idea of soul
contracts from the past andwhat's bringing forward, and I
it was like a fundamental shiftin his awareness from I think he
(15:30):
was probably 12 or somewherebetween 12 and 14 when I brought
him and the, the past liferegressionist was like oh my
gosh, you should be so proud ofyour parents.
They haven't killed each otherthis lifetime.
You know.
Like it was like they'rethey're actually functioning and
not causing physical harm.
Like we're making progress,like just in having that idea of
(15:52):
that we've come from suchcontrast past lives.
And then having Zach recognizehis relationship with his father
through past lives of why hisfather is so attached to him,
this lifetime is so based on thestories of the past lives so
that he could recognize like, ohwell, yeah, we weren't together
(16:14):
and when we were Vikings, likeone of us would have died.
Like he had that recognition ofall of his past stories and
past lives that brought him tohis new soul agreements, this
lifetime of what he wanted toget out of this relationship.
And when I met his father, itreally was like, the moment I
(16:35):
saw him I was like, oh, that'sthe, that's the father of my
child.
You know, like that awarenessof not, he's my soulmate, not
I'm going to be with him forever, not instant love, it was, oh,
that's the father of my child.
And I could feel like this veilcome over me to make sure I
would come into union with thisperson so that the child would
(16:57):
be a product of it, right, like,and in that, in those certain
instances, right.
And so I just find this, thistopic, so interesting and can be
so validating to understand whyour past is what it is and to
bring us out of that victimhoodmode of going.
Yeah, of course I chose that,of course this child needed to
(17:17):
be a product, of course I neededto learn this lesson, of course
I needed to learn how to findmy own independence and truth
and work through it.
And for me, a lot of it washaving boundaries right, like
that was my big life lesson,that his father was the teacher
of Right.
And so I, I just love, I justlove soul contracts, because it
(17:39):
makes sense to me, it makeseverything make sense.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, I get that now I think
when you there's a knowing tothe remembering of you know this
.
I was thinking about it thismorning when I was kind of
making some notes for thisconversation and I see I speak
of it like I've done this deepdive of studying with it and
everything, and when I reallythought about it I'm like I
really haven't, you know, butit's when the concept came
(18:05):
through, is like this huge, justdownload of remembering and
knowing that it just impacted mysoul on such a heavy level,
like just such an extreme level,that it broke through so many
like barriers in my life.
And that is literally when youknow the truth is coming forward
, is when it speaks to you onsuch a profound level and then
(18:26):
you can map it out and see itfor what it is and you're like,
oh my gosh, this is what we'rehere to do.
And so part of the things I wasthinking about this morning is
why there's like fear of changeor what can happen that we
create a whole reality based offof that in our own thought
(18:53):
patterns, and it's like it'sreally not what it's about.
We got to get out of thatfear-based energy to take chance
to say, hey, you know whatthere's already, things that we
have predict, we have put inplace an action for our life and
just trust in the flow thatwhat's coming forward is for our
highest good.
And when those things do comeforward that are traumatic,
(19:15):
they're difficult to go through,it gives you this sense of like
standing in your warriorposition and say I can handle
this because I've learned all ofthese techniques to be able to
stand strong, to be able to facethis.
And when you learn about thearchetypes, which is also a part
of our soul contracts, becausegoing through it, it's like you
have our archetypes, we have ourchakras, which are our
(19:36):
emotional energy fields.
That is how one of the things Ireally loved in it it says our
biography becomes our biology.
And I was like, yes, so I wrotethat down because it's so true.
It's our story becomes ourhealth, it becomes our illnesses
and our disease.
So we either are going tomanifest good health because
we're moving and shiftingthrough our stories in a
(19:59):
positive way, or we're going toshift through them in a negative
way and that causes disease andillness.
And I was like, okay, there yougo.
So we have archetypes, you havechakras, we have our soul
contracts and you know, withpeople in our life and it's just
so.
It's layered upon, layered uponlayered, but when you see it
and you're like I get it, it alljust kind of fits in.
(20:20):
All the puzzle pieces fit intogether, you know, Absolutely,
yeah, I love it.
So I thought we could get ontosome like part of the
masterclass that's coming up inMoon Rising, which starts on the
11th March 11th and I'm reallyexcited about it but is
recognizing our mapping out ourown soul contract.
(20:41):
So I thought you and I can dothat.
We've been doing that a littlebit right now, but I want to
kind of start it off andrecognize, like, even through
some of the most difficultaspects of our life, you can see
it when you look back, you cansee how it has impacted our life
to grow us and to build us andto help us be go where we're
going, right, who are we coming?
(21:02):
And so, um, as a child and I'vetalked about this you know my,
my dad was in an accident when Iwas four and he, he died and he
died and my mom was 22.
I was four, my brother wasthree and my mom was eight
months pregnant with my sisterRight.
But my dad, who raised us,stepped right in, like right in
(21:24):
and raised us as if we were hisown and never looked back as if
we were stepchildren or thoughtof us anything less than right,
and we never looked at our dadas anything less than our dad.
So we were like we always hadour real dad and then we had our
dad that raised us and loved uslike he was.
And as an adult I look back andI'm like, wow, my dad, you know
(21:47):
, he took on a grieving motherand three grieving children and
loved us in such a deep,profound way that even 15 years
later then they had my youngestsister.
And see, when you look at it,it's like my dad and my parents.
So, on a much bigger, okay,Human experience, tragedy upon
tragedy upon tragedy.
(22:07):
But on a soul level, if youlook at us coming together to
discuss what we're going to gothrough, right, they all came.
We came to this agreeance thatmy dad was going to come in.
Us three kids were going to bethe product of the relationship
of my parents, right, and then,through his departure, his
transition, my dad was now goingto come in to raise us and have
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his imprint on us and then mysister would come in later,
which could have never happenedif my dad would have stayed.
You know what I'm saying.
So it's like when you have thatbig picture.
So what is it that I learnedfrom that?
One is resilience.
One is being able to look atdeath and handle death, and be
able to move through the processof grief but then to be strong
(22:51):
Right.
And so there was a lot ofthings I had to learn through
that process, but when you canpoint it out, it's like wow,
that's just so profound and wecan find the blessings within
the traumas of it.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Well, and also I'm curious for you and your
learnings was it also allowinglove to come in rad and radical
way, even in the midst ofsomething that's heavy?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, being able to accept somebody else coming in
and saying, okay, you're now mydad.
Yeah, absolutely Acceptingothers that in our life.
And then, even when you weretalking about your son's dad, I
had that because how old wereyou?
So I was 16 when I got pregnantwith my first son.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I was 24 when I had my son, so I probably was
married off.
I was married off is what Ifelt like.
I was married when I was 22 andhad only been with him like a
year prior.
Okay, it was still young, likecompared like we were young when
we had our first babies.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah.
And then it's like the knowingof like.
When I met my son's dad, Ididn't feel like, oh, you're
mine forever.
No, it was like, literally, youare the father of my child,
that's coming, and I just knewit.
I just knew it.
And then when I had him, I wasdone with that relationship.
It was like I got what I neededfrom the relationship.
I learned so much from him in,you know, the leaving in the
(24:19):
relationship of itself.
And then in the end, I have myson, and that he has been my
oldest son, has been my biggestlesson and he is the one who
made me step up and be a momRight.
So it was like all these thingsthat happened in our life and
when we look at it it's like, ohshit, how the heck did I get
(24:39):
through all that?
But it's because it's part ofthe contract in which we're here
to do yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, and I feel like for mine it was like, okay, I
had my son at 24.
I left his dad by the time Iwas 26.
And the lesson wasn't over.
Like I learned how to createthose physical boundaries of
like you're no longer, I'm nolonger available to have you
physically in my life, like Idon't want to be in your
presence.
To now I need to learn how tohave emotional boundaries Now.
(25:05):
I need to learn how to havepsychic boundaries Now.
I need to learn how to put allthese things in place so that
I'm not under emotional attack.
And overall, like that custodybattle lasted about 10 years and
so the lesson afterwards waseven longer.
Like the emotional abuse thatwas occurring during the
(25:26):
marriage was significant.
I had lost a lot of weight, Iwas, uh, I I mean people looking
like people have told me I wasjust a doormat and I it was.
I had no, no level of selfesteem, no level of
self-confidence, no level ofstanding up for myself, and if
(25:46):
you've been listening to thispodcast for a while, you know
like that is not my story at allanymore.
Right, like I've radicallyshifted mindsets and it took not
just the relationship but the10 years custody battle
afterwards to get to the pointof I no longer give any fucks.
I no longer like if it there'sa level of having to surrender
(26:13):
in the process and giving thepower when he was older, like
giving the power to my son oflike this is who your dad is.
The court says that you can'thave to have a you know, a poor
parent and there's nothing I cando to protect you, and so now
it's your job to learn how toprotect yourself.
And this is your journey, yourstory.
(26:33):
And so it became a transitionof me and mama bear mode of
always trying to protect him,always trying to make sure all
of his needs were met too.
I can't control this.
This is literally the fatherthat you chose to come in with
and I can't change that.
I'm like no matter what I can,no matter what I do, I cannot
(26:54):
change the fact that you choseyour parents.
And once I made that recognition, things became to shift,
because I wasn't energeticallyattached to a role that I was
trying to fit into that wasn'tworking.
I was just making myselfincredibly sick, and so there
was that transition of like okay, I can have all these
(27:15):
boundaries in place, I canaccept the fate for which it was
dealt, because it was my choice, it was our choice, it was my
son's choice, it was my ex'schoice.
And how can we move forward?
And once I let go of that levelof control, everything shifted.
Like the the level of attackenergetically and emotionally
(27:39):
from my ex just stopped becauseI stopped caring.
I was like whatever man likeyou're not going to phase me If
he couldn't hook me in, then itwas, there was nothing there to
trigger, right.
And so once the trigger wasgone, he stopped, he stopped.
And I'm like, wow, what, what alesson just in that.
And then how do I want tocontinue my healing process so I
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could help others in the worldheal from the same type of that
empath meets narcissist.
You know consistentrelationships that happen in our
reality, like there's a reasonwhy these two consistently come
together, because it is adynamic of the greatest lessons
that you can possibly learn in arelationship is the empath
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needs to learn how to haveenergetic boundaries and how to
have boundaries and stand up forthemselves and be an
independent individual.
And then the narcissist theirjob, like I always say, like my
ex knows everything is socommitted to his soul, agreement
, like he's so committed to this.
(28:43):
I'm going to offer lessonseverywhere.
I go and everyone needs to haveboundaries with him, and so it's
just so interesting to kind ofbe like yeah, he's doing great,
he's doing fantastic in the rolethat he chose to come into.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, and I find that interesting because one thing
is, I think it releases a levelof judgment when you see, when
we see like you are doing yourjob so fantastic that I can't
even judge it, because we don'tknow what we're here to do.
Right, we don't know everyone'scontract, but what I do really
(29:19):
love about this is that we getto go within ourself and we can
map them out and see them forhow they are, without having to
go and have somebody tell uswhat they are.
You know what I mean, andthat's the thing.
It's coming back to our ownself and sourcing our
information.
So, yes, you having like thenarcissist coming in and you and
(29:40):
the empath and the child comingforward and the archetypes of
all of that, it's just like bam,bam, bam, right there, right,
and so for mine, it's likereally just seeing how each role
has played out.
Like my mother daughterrelationship has been a huge
impact.
Right has been a huge impactright, and it's like I've
(30:04):
learned from her in so manyprofound ways that I almost do
the opposite of everything mymom does, and not like so much
intentionally, but it's just inmy personality.
If she's reacted this way insomething, I do the opposite and
that works really really wellfor me.
So it's like she is the mirrorfor me and how I need to walk
really really well for me.
So it's like she is the mirrorfor me and how I need to walk.
(30:25):
And so I've learned how to notbe triggered by things, comments
she makes or actions that shehas, because it doesn't flow for
me in my life.
So I see it, it's a mirror.
I give thanks to it and now Ican go and try to be as
untriggable as possible and whenwe're really there, we're like,
no, I'm not going to betriggered by that.
That is the healing, and on sucha profound way.
(30:47):
And so a lot of this is where'syour personal power?
Right, it's really tuning intoour personal power and saying
nobody can take it from me.
We have to give away our power.
It's not something that can betaken from us unless we allow
that to happen.
And that's when you stand inyour sovereignty and that's when
you stand in your true,authentic self of your power.
(31:09):
And no, this is mine andenergetically, I'm setting all
of my boundaries, but Irecognize where everyone is and
how everyone is playing a rolein my life.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, absolutely, and I love that.
This is where Caroline Miss,with her soul, contracts books,
where it really comes togetherwith these different archetypes
of where are we standing inwhich archetype and what area of
life is that in?
And the whole thing just getsreally curious for me.
Like I and I think that I lovethat word Like I love getting
curious about this stuff becausethe more self-awareness that we
(31:41):
have, the more we can step outof the victimhood role.
Like I can see that where thesaboteur shows up, I can see
where my victim shows up, I cansee where my prostitute shows up
, and those are some of thosearchetypes that we all possess.
We all have those, thoseidentities, and which area of
life they show up in.
So when, like, for example, myprostitute is in my house of
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marriage, like it is in my role,like romantic relationships,
and I'm like, wow, that is sofucked up.
Like I can see that, like I canhave this awareness of, like I
can see where that has gone awryin the past and how do I choose
to recognize that?
This is a archetype that I wantto transmute.
(32:27):
I want to help her alchemizeinto the lover, into the
priestess, if you will, of going.
I can see my relationships oflike here's I'm transactional
right, like I'll do this for youif you do this for me.
Like that transactional, likethat is what the prostitute come
(32:48):
boils down to and when I can go.
You know, I'm intentionallychoosing not to have that
behavior in my romanticpartnership and we're going to
give it the light of what thatis and what how.
It has been an issue in my pastof going well, how do I want to
move forward?
What would the, what would thelover do, what would the
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priestess do in this situation?
And how can I embody thosearchetypes and say I'm no longer
available to have atransactional relationship,
right, and so this is where it'slike it can get fun, where it's
like you're challengingyourself to be the grandest
version of who you are, becauseif we're in that mode, we're
literally going all right, soulcontract.
(33:32):
I see you, I see what you're upto and I'm going to be become
the most vibrant version of whoI am, the most expansive version
of who I am.
No longer am I going to playvictim to the roles that I was
given and I can transmute theminto their highest qualities.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, yeah, and that is.
That is the game of it, right?
That's the game of life when itall boils down to it is that
we're just we're here trying tofigure out why we're here and
what our purpose is, and throughthat we have our soul guides
that come in and thesearchetypes that say, hey, I'm
going to create a scenario foryou to alchemize your highest
(34:15):
version and how are you going toshow up in that and say, yes,
the victim coming through, thesaboteur, the prostitute, all of
it.
And when you can stand in asthe priestess, as the warrior,
as your divine feminine right,your masculine, all of it, you
are alchemizing yourself andyou're really taking on this
strong role of life and justsaying I can get through this
(34:37):
and your purpose and missionstarts showing up for you
through this.
And your purpose and missionstarts showing up for you
because it's like you start tosee all of the patterns
connecting the dots and you'repulling back those fragments of
your life experiences.
That is helping you to grow andheal your heart and heal your
mind and all of the emotions andeverything.
And it's really seeing thisfrom that profound point of view
(35:00):
, instead of staying in thatsmall constrictive energy of the
victim and thinking everythingis attacking me and nothing is
in my favor and I'm just sickand I'm this and I'm that.
And it's like no, speak toyourself in such a loving way
that your body has to stand upand heal, that your body has to
show up in this really profoundway to where, if you eat
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something that is not for yourhighest health good, you know
that your body is going toreject it, that it's going to
say no, and you're going to besmart enough to listen and be
aware enough to say that is notfor my highest good and I can't
be eating that stuff or drinkingthat or hanging out with toxic
people or just whatever it is.
But we're seeing these patternsin our life which show up
(35:44):
because of the soul contractsthat we have, because of the
archetypes that we're workingwith, and it's just, it's such a
profound and beautiful way ofseeing everything, like I just
see it with such an openperspective, that literally it's
like oh, I see, there, you are,there you are.
It's like boom, boom, boom andit's okay.
It's not about judgment andit's not overanalyzing and it's
(36:04):
not being stuck in my head.
It's being like having suchprofound awareness.
You see why people show up inyour life and you see how your
personal patterns will make thathappen.
We manifest it right.
Frequency matches frequency.
So if we're stuck in thatvictim, we're going to create
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victim mentality, victimsituations and scenarios to show
us like wake up.
And that's what it is.
It's all about like thatawakening of leveling ourself up
to it.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Right and I think that that's really good point on
how we are broken out of thislevel of self-judgment when we
can come to our soul agreements,our soul contracts and going no
, I signed up for this, I'mtaking full, radical
responsibility for the positionthat I'm in and I now have a
(36:56):
choice, and I think that's youknow.
I always say, like, the firststep of healing is awareness,
and so when we come into theawareness of our soul agreement,
when our soul contract, whatour archetypes are, what we
embody easily and going is thisis this to my benefit?
How can I utilize this positionto my benefit?
What is the?
And your whole body I'm?
(37:17):
This is what I really recognizeLike.
I remember even just five yearsago and having such poor posture
, like my shoulders were concave, you know, I was protecting my
heart space constantly, likemaking myself physically small
Right.
And then I've noticed over this, this last bit of timeframe
(37:37):
where it's like when I sit, I'msitting with my shoulders back,
I'm sitting with my straightspine, and that was after years
and years of hunched overnessright.
And then your body starts torecognize the energy, Like it
used to be exhausting to sit ina straight back chair or to have
my shoulders back, like it washard for my body to do it and it
(38:00):
took years to help ittransition into proper posture
Right.
And so now I feel like I canstand up tall, I can speak my
truth, like all of these thingsbecome available because your
body is responding to theknowingness of your, of your, uh
, empowerment right, like whenwe step out of victimhood, like,
(38:21):
and so, you know, sometimesthere's this fear that I'm going
to be intimidating.
When it's not intimidating,they're intimidated.
Right, like my power is what itis.
And so when we can recognize ouryou know, our sisters and
brothers who are also in theirempowerment, like, what a
different dynamic ofconversations that we have.
Like what a different dynamicof conversations that we have,
(38:43):
like we're talking about goals,we're talking about being
motivated, we're talking aboutour self-awareness, we're
talking about our healthrelationships, and when we come
in contact with people who arenot on their healing journey and
they're intimidated by mypresence or intimidated by my
fullness of who I am, and tothen meet people who are
(39:05):
accepting and loving of, wow,she's in her power, I want, I
want to hang out with thosetypes of people I'm like then
you're starting to meet your,your new tribe, right, and like
there's a transitionary time andall of that, and I just love
witnessing people shift and havethat awareness.
I think that's why I loveteaching so much.
I love being a mentor, I lovedoing coaching because I can see
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people shift into that radicalself-responsibility of going.
You know, like, if my desk is amess, guess who messed it up?
It was me.
If my kitchen is a disaster,guess what?
That was me, if I chose thisrelationship and engaged it in
such a way.
That was me.
Like I did that, I chose thatand to go.
(39:50):
I deserve better.
I am a vibration of love andtherefore I deserve more than
what this has to offer.
And you're going to start toshift out of those types of
relationships and intorelationships that then reflect
your level of self-love, right.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
And so.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I love how all of it intertwines with the soul,
agreements and contracts andarchetypes and like, as we shift
and move into understandingthat oftentimes it feels like we
are playing a game like wesigned up for it feels like we
are playing a game, like wesigned up for it.
We're in the game, we set upthe pieces, we chose the roles
(40:29):
and now we get to go okay, thisis my fucking life, I've got the
magic wand.
Here's my shamanic perspective.
If this is a dream and I'm thekey role player in it, how do I
want the pieces to move forwardin self-awareness of all of
these different people,characters that are showing up
in my life?
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, and I loved the examples that you're giving
like if my desk is a mess orwhatever it's like, we can take
accountability for the messesthat we make within our home,
but when it's accountability toour behavior, we're like nope,
nope, it's everyone else andthat is just like.
No, it's the same thing If youare creating issues in your life
(41:08):
based off of your behavior,based off of your past, look at
it, be accountable to it andshift that.
And so it's really tuning intothe symbology of it.
And that's what's so powerful,too, is when you can see the
symbology of all the thingsshowing up, like you're talking
about having your back straight,right, your body responding to
(41:28):
your thoughts, your bodyresponding to your positive
behavior.
So, of course, you're going tosit up straight because you're
feeling empowered, you know.
And when is it that we don'tfeel empowered?
And suddenly it's like, oh, thehip wants to act up, this wants
to act up, the body isresponding to our thoughts, our
emotions, our energy, and soit's like nope, I am going to
sit tall, I'm going to stand inmy power and literally your body
(41:51):
responds to it and everythingelse is in flow with that,
because you're connecting it andit is like we're creating this
game and we are playing it, andso how are all the roles going
to show up and how are you goingto continue to show up in your
truth?
And when you do that, it's justlike, yeah, it's impacting
every single aspect of your life.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, I love it.
So, as you guys may know, likeI have such explicit trust for
Isabel and Chantel and liketheir roles and moon rising and
I don't know the details of yourmasterclass coming up.
I know that, like you're a rockstar when it comes to teaching
this topic and I'm like what'sup, what are you doing?
(42:33):
What are you teaching?
I want to know all the details.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Okay, so, um, the sole contract masterclass.
It is a four week class and sowe're going to be meeting on
Tuesdays, five o'clock PacificStandard Time, so eight o'clock
Eastern Standard Time, andbasically this is going to just
be like I'm going to have my youknow my part, that I'm going to
teach.
I really want to deep dive intothis, but I want to have open
(42:59):
conversations with the studentsand I want them to come forward
and be able to map out their ownsoul contracts.
I want them to see them forthemselves and be able to heal
through that.
Because it's nice when somebodycan say, hey, look at this, is
it?
And there is absolutely purposefor that to have somebody help
you to know what your contractsare and everything.
(43:20):
But when you can see it inyourself, how powerful is that?
And so we're going to tune into,like waking up to unity,
consciousness which I love, thatconcept the alchemy of your
soul.
What are soul contracts and oursoul families?
So we're going to deep diveinto that and how our soul
(43:40):
family is here and how theysupport us and how they don't
support us, and why that ishappening as well.
Empowering yourself throughyour soul contracts.
We're going to get into thearchetypes and the guides and
we're going to map out your soulcontracts and we're going to
learn about the chakras and thebiography of it and how it
becomes our biology.
(44:01):
And so just taking all of theseconcepts because, like I said,
it's layers upon layers, but Ijust it's going to be an
exciting conversation for fourweeks to learn about all of this
and how you can see it and openup the perspective to these
soul contracts and have that bigcrown, chakra, soul point of
view and bring it and earth, itground it into our life, I love
(44:25):
it.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I love that the piece of you're mapping it out, like
really starting to see thedifferent soul family positions
of, like why your father showedup the way they did, why did
your mother show up the way theydid, how did that, how did that
impact your growth anddevelopment, these guardians in
our life, as well as ourchildren, and what are, what's
(44:46):
our impact for them?
What are they trying to learn?
And like, I think it's reallycool also to go the the
stepfathers or the best friendsor the people who weren't born
into your soul agreement right,like and how they show up can be
so eyeopening, like I justreminds me of the time when my
son was like three years old andall he could talk about was
(45:09):
past lives and he would look atmy, my uh his stepdad and was
just like why can't you rememberwe were there together.
We don't like we were on theplanet together and just to go,
wow, like you can't make thatshit up of the soul.
Agreements are not just ourbloodlines, that it's so much
(45:32):
more than that.
And why certain people comeinto your life for a brief
moment to help remind you backinto what was the lessons and
learnings and the differentdynamics, and I love that.
Like we're going to, you'regoing to play with the
archetypes and the guides andall of those pieces, like, like,
we kind of want to go to classcome on in, pop on in and so and
(45:55):
it just keeps going.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
You know, so my, my husband now he's not the father
of my children.
So my husband now he's not thefather of my children, right,
but my granddaughter and mydaughter, they represent him,
they are so much like him and wealways joke around how are they
not?
Actually, he says it was kindof funny but kind of dirty, but
(46:19):
he was like how did my sperm getinto your ex-guy to have my
kids, kind of thing, you know.
And I'm like, ah, that's justjust funny because they are, my
granddaughter and him have sucha like deep connection that I'm
like, how is it possible?
And the way she is with musicand dancing and that's all him,
right, and that doesn't comefrom my daughter's biological,
my ex-husband doesn't come fromthat.
(46:40):
And so I see those soulcontracts from the moment they
like laid eyes on each other.
It was just this instantconnection and I'm talking at
two days old, you know, and soit just is so profound.
And so mapping them out, seeingthem for what they are and
having this as a big part ofyour toolbox moving forward in
(47:00):
life, it just makes everythingso much easier.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I love it.
I love it.
So if you guys are interestedin signing up, know that it's
it's.
We're now open for enrollment.
It's 288 for four weeks class,and I think what I'm hearing is
there's going to be a lot ofspiritual coaching going on to
really support you and havingthese aha moments.
So if you have theself-awareness that is going to
(47:25):
come from this class, you'regoing to be shifting out of that
victimhood mode and into yourfullness, into your power, into
your ability to say yes to lifemore fully and in a more
impactful way for those in yourworld.
And so I'm really excited thatthis is happening and I love
that we're going to be offeringmore masterclasses like this one
in the future.
(47:45):
So I'm super excited.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yay, yeah, and you know, too, that shamanism is
going to be in it.
Reiki is going to be in it.
Right, it's not just, yes, it'sfocused on soul contracts, but
it's all of it that is soencompassing.
So it's definitely like justcome forward and give yourself
this opportunity to learn and bein a group of people that are
(48:07):
all like-minded and heart-mindedand soul-based and all of it.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
I love it, so be sure to check that out.
It will be in our show notes.
And then, until next time, mayyou awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Thanks for tuning in to today's show.
The Wisdom Rising podcast issponsored by Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
If you enjoyed this episode, besure to subscribe to the show
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(48:47):
Moon Rising Institute, or visitour website,
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future opportunities to connectwith our community of shamanic
mystics.
Once again, thank you forsharing space with us today and
until next time, may you awakento the whispers of wisdom rising
from within.
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