Using Crystals for Psychic Protection with Nicholas Pearson

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What if the most powerful psychic protection doesn't come from the crystals we carry, but from how they help us transform our own energy?

Nicholas Pearson returns to Wisdom Rising with profound insights on psychic self-defense that bridge science and spirituality. With his background in geology and decades of crystal wisdom, Nicholas reveals how minerals serve as catalysts rather than crutches in our spiritual practice. "Crystals aren't a substitute for doing the work," he explains, "they just make the work easier."

This conversation takes us beyond superficial crystal practices to explore what truly creates energetic resilience. Nicholas shares how a crystal's internal order and coherence can help us embody those same qualities, making our energy "resonate more loudly than harm." Along the way, we discuss:

• Staying grounded during chaos
• Multi-crystal banishing ritual (emerald, sapphire, ruby, quartz, diamond)
• Building "energetic muscle memory" through practice
• Protection as ongoing process, not one-time act
• Importance of wonder and excitement in practice
• Blending tradition with innovation
• Guidance for all levels of crystal practitioners
• Exploration of Nicholas' new book, 'Crystals for Psychic Self-Defense'

Throughout our discussion, Nicholas emphasizes maintaining a sense of wonder in our practice. "Find what excites you," he advises, "because that spark of excitement is the raw fuel that will take you further than any instructions in a book." His approach honors traditional wisdom while encouraging innovation for today's unique challenges.

Whether you're new to crystal work or looking to deepen your practice, this episode offers invaluable guidance for anyone seeking greater energetic sovereignty in an increasingly complex world. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.

(00:26):
Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy, healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and

(00:49):
balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Welcome back to another amazingepisode here on the Wisdom
Rising podcast.
I'm your host for today, isabelWells, and today I have the

(01:11):
true honor and joy ofinterviewing return guest
Nicholas Pearson of the LuminousPearl.
Nicholas was on our podcast afew months ago to talk about the
science of crystal healingwhich, for those of you who know
me, know that I love findingthe bridges between science and
spirituality and Nicholas wasthe perfect guest.

(01:32):
Nicholas has been immersed inall aspects of the mineral
kingdom for over three decades.
As one of the leading voices incrystal healing today, nicholas
offers a unique blend ofscience and spirituality
alongside a grounded, practicalapproach to working with
crystals.
Nicholas is an internationallyrenowned speaker and the
award-winning author of eightbooks, including Crystal Basics

(01:54):
and Stones of the Goddess.
Nicholas lives in Orlando,florida, and with his background
in geology, he really doesbring such a grounded approach
to our conversations Today.
I'm really excited to haveNicholas on the show to discuss
his new book Crystals forPsychic Defense, 145 Gemstones
for Banishing, binding andMagical Protection.

(02:14):
One of the things that you'llhear us talk about today and one
of the things that I truly loveabout Nicholas, is that while
he really brings forward all ofthese tools and techniques that
you can do to implement crystalsinto your healing practice, he
also really stresses theimportance of doing the deeper
work, having your practices andactually making them a practice,
implementing these rituals intoyour daily routine, etc.

(02:38):
Etc.
He's really clear that crystalsaren't going to be a pick one
and you're done with yourhealing journey kind of thing,
but are rather intended to bepart of an intentional process
of healing and just onecomponent of your work.
So in today's episode we talkall about psychic protection and
self-defense, both in the realmof crystals and outside of it,

(02:59):
as well as some of the scienceand psychological factors that
factor into that and how to usecrystals as a piece in your
intentional healing journey.
This is, as always, a fabulousconversation and it is such a
joy to have Nicholas back on theshow.
I highly highly recommendchecking out his book Crystals
for Psychic Self-Defense.
You can find it in any of yourlocal bookstores or on Amazon.

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(03:43):
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I really hope you enjoy today'sinterview as much as I enjoyed
recording it.
So, without further ado, let'sgo to the show.
Hello, hello and welcome backto another episode of the Wisdom
Rising podcast.
I am so honored and ecstatic tohave Nicholas Pearson back on

(04:06):
the show.
We interviewed him about thescience of crystals last year
and it is, to date, one of myfavorite interviews that we've
had on the show.
I find it's really rare to findsomeone who loves balancing the
science and the spirituality asmuch as I do, and so it is an
absolute joy to have Nicholasback on the show, and today

(04:27):
we're here to talk about hisnewest book Crystals for Psychic
Self-Defense, 145 Gemstones forBanishing, binding and Magical
Protection.
Nicholas, welcome to the show.
I am so excited you're here.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Thank you, Isabel.
Thank you for having me back.
I'm really excited for today.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yes, I am so excited to talk with you again.
I have to say at the top ofthis interview that your book
truly blew me away.
I've read many a crystal bookin my day and the depth of
knowledge and wisdom that youbring and balance is absolutely
astounding.
There is so much in this bookwhere you can see that on the
science side of things and themore practical, logical, mental

(05:09):
side of things, you reallyreally know these stones and
these practices inside and out,but you also know how to apply
them and how to bring in thespirit and the energy and the
magic of it.
And it is just.
I think there was probablysomething every other page that
I underlined or wrote downbecause it was just.
It truly is a phenomenal bookand a phenomenal resource, so

(05:29):
thank you for writing it.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
It's my pleasure.
I wrote it because I needed it.
Apparently, I think that'soften how these things kind of
come about.
It's a little bit of a funnystory, if you don't mind.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Please.
It was going to be one of myfirst questions.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Perfect.
Yeah, I had finished writingCrystal Basics the big version
of that that came out in 2020.
So I finished writing it, sentit into a publisher in 2019, was
like the final sign off oneverything and I thought, okay,
what is the number one thingpeople ask me questions about?

(06:06):
At the time, I was stillworking quite frequently in one
of our local occultymetaphysical crystal shops and,
like, universally, I think morepeople come into spaces like
that for the first time, seekingsomething relating to safety,
protection, a sense ofvulnerability in the world or

(06:27):
there's a specific situationgoing on, and so I thought you
know what?
I think this is a topic that Iwould love to address my way.
There are some pretty goodcrystal books on it already and
you know I'll pay homage to them, I will cite them, we'll give
them some credit.
But I really wanted to havesomething that covered a few

(06:49):
different things not normallyseen under that greater umbrella
of crystals for protection.
And naturally, I think we alllearned some valuable lessons
about boundaries protectionvaluable lessons about
boundaries protection, hygiene,in both a physical and
metaphysical sense, thefollowing year, in 2020.

(07:10):
So, you know, initially Ithought I was going to go on
tour in 2020 to celebrate thebirth of Crystal Basics, and
that obviously didn't happen,for all the obvious reasons that
we don't have to get into.
But seeing the urgency withwhich people were now needing to
address feelings ofvulnerability, feelings of being

(07:30):
unsafe or unsound, whether thatis socially, energetically or
in any other kind of setting,the scope of the book began to
change a little bit as I waswriting it.
And the universe also has afunny way of like testing our
competency in things, when, whenwe decide we're going to do a

(07:50):
thing, um, particularly ifyou're going to go write a book,
Um, I know I'm not the only oneof my peers to have this
experience but you pick a topicyou want to write on and the
universe is like okay, well,let's make sure you really know
this inside and out.
So I also went through, like myown personal stuff, that that
um kind of reinforced the needfor hitting the basics again and

(08:11):
ensuring that I had thenecessary skill set for my own
well-being and that of myhousehold and so on and so forth
.
So I I think that if I hadwritten this book in an
uninterrupted, just one start tofinish like I do a lot of
projects one, it would have comeout a lot sooner.
And two, it would be such adifferent book.

(08:35):
There are some heavier topics inhere that I might not have
included originally because theydidn't feel as necessary.
I might have been maybe alittle bit less sensitive to the
bigger systemic issues thatcontribute to our psychic
well-being and our need forpsychic self-defense, unless I'd
lived through all of that andstart to finish.

(08:57):
I mean, I started writing it in2019 and it came out in 2025.
So that is the longest it'sever taken me to finish a
project and I'm so glad itworked out that way.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
And it is just such a dense book and I mean that in a
complimentary way Like not onlyis the production quality of it
amazing, but the amount ofknowledge and the scope of what
you cover in this book isphenomenal.
And something that I reallyloved and resonated with about
the book because it's somethingthat I find is so important in

(09:33):
my own practice is exactly whatyou were saying a moment ago of
how important it is to rememberto come back to the basics, and
you emphasize that again andagain and again, no matter what
topic you're talking aboutwhether it's, you know,
cleansing your house or keepingyour own energy clear, or even
all the way to, you know,psychic attacks and those deeper
issues it's always about comingback to the basics.

(09:56):
And you open the book with somereally phenomenal lines that I
have underlined and that you putin words that are much better
than I've ever heard them put,and one of them was that idea
that crystals are there to helpus embody the same level of
crystallinity and coherence inour own auras and that the most

(10:17):
important, or one of the mostimportant elements of psychic
protection is that your energyis resonating more loudly.
Elements of psychic protectionis that your energy is
resonating more loudly than theharm.
And those two phrases I saidthose out of order, I think the
second comes before in the bookbut those two phrases to me are
so powerful and something that Idon't think I have seen really

(10:40):
adequately explored in othercrystal books.
I think there tends to be thisfeeling of, well, it's a crystal
book, so we're going to keep itabout the crystals, and what I
love about your book is it'slike yeah, the crystals are here
to help and we can use them andthey're a tool and they can be
really beneficial.
But the reason that they are sobeneficial is because they're

(11:02):
changing our energy and that ourenergy and tending to that is
going to be our first line ofdefense.
And I was really really pleasedto see that come through in
your book and it's somethingthat I would love for you to
touch on a little bit if youwouldn't mind.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Absolutely.
So you know the idea of crystalenergy, like we talked about in
a previous conversation.
Oftentimes what I will do is Iwill look at electromagnetism or
other forms of energy that wecan measure and can observe in
real time or at least someonewith the right equipment can as
a means of understanding howthis subtle energy must also

(11:40):
behave.
Because at the end of the day,energy is energy.
And you know, one of my bigtakeaways from one of my mentors
in the crystal world, um, isthat at large the metaphysical
world, kind of spiritual world,focuses a heck of a lot on
frequency and pretty muchignores all of the other things

(12:00):
that are important when mappingout how energies behave.
So you know, frequency is the,essentially the number of cycles
a sine wave makes when yougraph it, you know, depending on
our unit of measurement somaybe it's Hertz number of
cycles per second.
We measure brainwaves and Hertzand so many other things and
Hertz or megahertz.
So that's that is useful.

(12:22):
But it's also really imperativethat we pay attention to the
amplitude of that sine wave,that is, you know how tall or
how short it might be.
And I like to use the analogyof frequency is like our station
on the radio and amplitude isthe volume, and we have to
adjust both of those in order tohear something loud and clear.

(12:43):
And if we don't, what we'retrying to listen to will be
interrupted or disrupted by theworld around us.
So what crystals do?
Because of their own inherentorder and form, they serve as
like templates that allow us tokind of conform to a more
orderly structure, energeticallyspeaking.

(13:04):
And if we can accomplishgetting all of the parts and
pieces of us in order, inharmony, in sync, then they're
going to contribute to a morewell-organized field, but also a
field that is inherently louder, because they're all singing
the same song.
One voice can only project sofar, but if the whole choir,

(13:26):
that is, your entire makeup,body, mind and spirit, is
singing in unison, then thatsignal can be heard from so much
farther away, which also meansthat whatever disruptive
energies we're going toencounter are far less likely to
permeate or disrupt our energyfield.
And crystals, yes, they canassist in that process, but they

(13:50):
are not a substitute for ourown inner work.
In fact, I think of them ascatalysts, and a catalyst is
something that lowers the amountof effort or energy required to
achieve a particular outcome.
So, you know, digestive enzymesare catalysts and you know
we've got plenty of otherexamples of them in in the body.
But you know, energetically,the crystal isn't a substitute

(14:13):
for doing the work, it justmakes the work easier.
It's it's like the equipment atthe gym.
You can transform your bodywithout the equipment at the gym
, but also, just having a gymmembership is not the same as
going to the gym.
So, um, you know, the crystalsare there to supplement, to
direct, to focus, to enhance thework we're doing, and that all
starts from within.

(14:33):
And it's it's about getting intouch with your energy, getting
in touch with your modes ofperception.
I think a large part of psychicself-defense.
Um, to paraphrase some advicegiven to me by a dear friend of
mine, a good chunk of what weneed to do is just mind our own
business Energetically.
If I am really concerned withthe emotional states of all of

(14:54):
the strangers around me when Igo to the grocery store, I'm
going to be conforming to theiremotional states, and I think
that is a trap that many of usaccidentally fall into.
When we begin to develop ourkind of magical metaphysical
skills, our psychic skills, wecan too easily let things cross

(15:16):
over that threshold.
We take things in rather thanjust observing from that
detached space, and that's oneof the things that I love about
crystals observing from thatdetached space and that's one of
the things that I love aboutcrystals.
There's really nothing that Ican do energetically that is
going to change the fundamentalenergy that amethyst or calcite
or fluorite has.
It might need some cleansingfrom time to time, but it is
still always just itself and wehuman beings are volatile and

(15:38):
squishy and so keen to havethese kind of capricious changes
in our energy field, which ispart of what makes the human
experience so diverse and variedand wonderful, but it's also
sometimes what makes itexhausting.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
And that's a point that you really drive home in
the book of you mentioned itbefore as well that idea that
we're all looking for that senseof safety and security and
almost that foundation where weknow where our feet are, how
we're feeling, we know thatthere's some of that solidity
there.
And there's a phrase again thatyou use in the book that I

(16:15):
loved, which was that the worlddoesn't always show up that way
for us.
And you go on in the book totalk about some of the sources
of psychic attacks and I laughedwhen I read that section,
because the very top cause isyour own thoughts and emotions.
And what I love about that isthat when we can kind of link

(16:36):
those two together it reallydrives home as well, like you
were saying, our range ofperception and how we're seeing
the world, because the worldmight not always show up for us
in that safe and secure way, buta lot of the time or at least
some of the time right, itdepends on the person, but
sometimes that feeling ofunsafety and insecurity comes

(16:57):
from our own minds and our ownemotions and the ability to
pinpoint that right from thestart and say you know, we can
be the cause of our own psychicself-harm and that's not again,
you make a point of this in thebook.
It's not blaming or judging theperson, it's part of human life.
But you talk about how, likeyou're saying with the grocery

(17:18):
store, if you go in open, you'reopening to everything, not just
you know the best and highest,as we call it on the show, right
, you're open to everything andyou're able to conform to
everything.
And so having thatunderstanding that our thoughts
and our emotions really are thatfirst line of defense for not
only how we feel but also howwe're perceiving the world, I

(17:41):
find is so important and I thinkit's often the thing that I see
students and clients missingwhen it comes to their own
psychic self-protection isthere's a lot of this emphasis
on what's happening outside andcoming at you rather than what's
happening inside and going out.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, and then of course the big question becomes
conceptually, it is easy to comeup with a framework for
shielding from the external, buthow do you engage with the idea
of psychic self-defense whenit's you you got to defend from

(18:20):
and it's not really like that?
We have to kind of unpack thebaggage around that a little bit
differently.
Like I can shield myself fromexternal energies, I can
practice really good psychichygiene in my space.
I can fortify the homeenergetically to keep outside
disruptive influences out, butI'm inside the house.

(18:40):
I'm inside my own personalshield, I am my mind inside the
house.
I'm inside my own personalshield, I am my mind.
So how do I engage with thesepractices in a way that,
fundamentally, is really a gameof mind training, of cultivating
a sense of mindfulness that istaking a step back from the kind
of sensationalized experienceof consciousness and more into

(19:04):
that, um, observational, likeemotions are going to come and
go.
You're going to have that, thatscript of you know negative
self-talk.
Oh, nicholas, why did you leaveso many things to the last
minute?
Oh, you should have, you know,taken care of this sooner.
You really needed to talk to aneditor about this, and now it's
too late to change something,or you know, whatever it is, and

(19:25):
and we, we project that all ofthe time and it is contributing
to a sense of wellbeing and ornot, as the case might be.
And so a lot of the practices inthe book, even when they look
like they are protecting us fromthe outside stuff, if we engage
with them really mindfully, Imean, if you really take five,

(19:48):
10 minutes a day before youleave the house and you do some
self-cleansing, a littlegrounding and centering and all
the kind of like fundamentals ofour energy hygiene, and then
you also pick a psychic shield,chances are you've carved out
enough space inside you thatthose thoughts, when they come

(20:09):
up, they don't occupy as muchreal estate, they don't take
over as much of your entireenergy field, because because
you've done these otherpractices, it doesn't make that
script necessarily go away.
Um, that is, that is a separateset of practices which might
require maybe a licensed mentalhealth practitioner and I am not

(20:31):
that, so I'm not here to guideyou through that but I do think
that a regular spiritualpractice, whatever it looks like
, can help us make greater spacefor that and the idea of just
although and I say it in thebook.
This way, I do believe in abeneficent universe.
I genuinely believe that thereare forces out there guiding the

(20:53):
highest and best, as you put it, but I also know that stuff
happens, that not every humanbeing has your best interest at
heart and sometimes we don'thave our own best interests at
heart because we've been trainednot to or told not to, or told
we don't deserve it or whateverit could be.
There are also systemic forcesout there that, like we can't
change by carrying a crystal.

(21:14):
I can't change the kind ofextractive nature of the
so-called Western world ormodern world, but I can reorient
my perspective and myparticipation in that to be a
little bit kinder and morecompassionate, a little bit more
grounded and centered, andhopefully that enables me to

(21:34):
have the space to not let thingsget too urgent too soon, for
lack of a better way to put it.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
No, absolutely.
And that idea of reorientingourselves and shifting our
perception is really, reallypowerful.
And I know, at least for me,that was.
One of the reasons why I wasdrawn to crystals in the first
place was this idea that youknow, I still remember when I
bought my first crystal, it wasthis little heart of rainbow

(22:05):
fluorite.
I had never had a crystalbefore.
I think I was probably like 15.
And I just had.
I had so much chaos happening inmy personal life and I remember
there was this feeling that Ididn't have words for at the
time, and now I do, in partthanks to you and the way that
you explain things.
But that idea that there's somuch chaos happening around me
and here's this perfect specimenof order and clarity and that

(22:30):
crystallinity which I think isso rare to find in today's world
, and so that idea of being ableto hold a crystal, whether
we're using it for psychicself-defense or just for
amplifying our own energy andhealing that idea of being able
to hold this piece of order andkind of tune yourself to it

(22:51):
instead of to the chaos in theworld around you is a really
beautiful piece of hope, I think, for a lot of people right now
who are feeling like maybe thereisn't hope, maybe there's too
much chaos around us, butbringing in that piece of that
mindful connection, like youwere talking about, to create
the space within you where youcan sit and all that's in your

(23:11):
focus is that crystal, is thatpiece of order, so that you're
not focused on the chaos, you'renot perceiving everything,
you're just tuned into.
Where do you want your energy tobe, where do you want your
perception to be is so powerful,and I wonder if that's
something that a lot of peoplecan resonate with, that idea
that you know, in this world ofchaos, here's this little piece

(23:33):
of order that we can hold on to.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, and you know, as you were talking like, uh, I
think a really nice metaphorkind of came forward and I
haven't quite articulated itthis way before but a single
molecule does not a crystal make.
We need enough of them tocreate that repetition, that
order, that symmetry at theinternal level.

(23:56):
So when it feels like we aresurrounded by chaos and we feel
alone, it is so easy to beoverwhelmed by that and we have
to look to the spaces where wecan connect, where we find that
sense of symmetry and belonging,where we feel the kind of
integral nature as in all partsand pieces collaborating.

(24:20):
And crystals can be catalystsfor that too.
They remind us that we fit intoa larger pattern, that there
are people experiencing the samethings, that are hoping for the
same outcomes, that are bandingtogether, sometimes in physical
community, sometimes in digitalcommunity and sometimes just
energetically in the ethers,without even intending to.
So the idea that there is hope,I think, extends so much bigger

(24:46):
.
There are so many of us in thisworld and we don't always know
that the support is there andthat it doesn't just have to
come in a material sense fromother people, but out in the
ethers.
We've got our teams.
In spirit, I fundamentally livein an inspirited universe.
I like to see the consciousnessin all things.

(25:09):
I like to see all things ashaving consciousness might be a
better way to put that andrecognizing that a crystal is
not just the inner tool becauseof its order, its materiality,
can help me affect energy.
But it is a part of mycommunity, that I am a part of
its community, that the landbeneath me is alive and well and

(25:31):
trying to breathe through thesame chaos.
But the land has seen it beforeand it will see it end and it
will see cycles I can't evendream of.
So this idea of not letting thechaos in, I think part of it is
seeing where you fit in beyondthat.
You are one molecule in thecrystal lattice, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
And I think even in that we have so much to learn
from what a shamanic perspectivewould call the rock people, the
mineral people, that ability tostay, to remain, to be solid,
to be present.
And my husband has a phrasethat he uses when he's feeling

(26:15):
anxious, and it brings me somuch joy he just he'll go
outside, sometimes in the middleof whatever's happening in his
day, and he'll be like the treesare still there, the rocks are
still there.
And that is such a powerfullesson for a culture that right
now I don't think really knowshow to be still.
We're not trained how to bestill, we're not taught how to

(26:38):
rest.
We're taught how to go and howto be productive and how to keep
moving.
And then there's the rock andthe mineral and the crystal that
just exists and is sturdy andsolid.
And even just going on a hikeand sitting on top of a big rock
you know, I think everybody'shad this experience at least
once and that immediate sense ofpeace that comes.

(27:01):
Because it's not that, you know, to a lot of people they might
say, well, there's noconsciousness in a rock, like
there's no spirit.
But to those who are animists,who believe in an inspirited
world there is, and that energyis such a sturdy, ongoing,
peaceful energy that I think wehave a lot to learn from as

(27:22):
humans.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, and to the people who maybe have difficulty
reconciling an unspirited world, I think it is a universal
human experience, withoutexception, that you come to a
breathtaking scene in nature andthe quality of that space.
There's some ineffable changein the air.
I mean, we all encounter theineffable.
We might not use the samelanguage for it and I imagine
most of our listeners probably.
We don't have to sell them onthe idea of an inspirited world,
but the idea that everythingaround us is not necessarily

(28:16):
just a static part of thescenery but it's contributing to
what we feel and see andperceive.
That can be a really greatplace to start and perceive.
That can be a really greatplace to start and when we do
need that reassurance.
I mean, I think this is one ofthe most fundamental reasons
that we find articles of stone,artifacts of stone that are

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associated with protection, fromliterally hundreds of thousands
of years ago until the presentday.
It endures, it lasts, it is,most of the time, far more
resilient than I will be in amaterial sense.
Um, and there's something soreassuring about being able to

(29:00):
pick up an object that might bemillions of years old.
I recently got a gift from myhusband it's the oldest crustal
rock in existence and it's like4.6 billion years old.
All of my problems feel reallytiny in comparison to that.
Like what has this rock seen?
I cannot.

(29:21):
That is such a deep, long timethat I just everything else
evaporates.
So even if we have a hard timewith the kind of animist piece
or the energetic piece, the ideathat stone endures and even if
it just metaphorically,symbolically, confers some of

(29:43):
that endurance to us, that issuch a powerful thing some of
that endurance.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
To us.
That is such a powerful thing.
Absolutely, and going back tothat metaphor that you had come
through of one molecule does nota crystal make.
I think we can take it in aslightly different direction as
well and say that doing apsychic protection ritual once
does not psychic protection makeonce does not psychic

(30:11):
protection make?

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, absolutely Like .
This is not a set it and forgetit situation.
This is, we would call it,spiritual practice for a reason
it is embodied practice.
It is practice that we have toengage with over and over and
over and over again.
I tell this to my Reikistudents as well, particularly
in the third degree.
You know some of the techniqueswe learned then.
I want to ensure they get it.

(30:32):
So we're going to practice itand practice it and practice it
and practice it, and then thenext day we're going to practice
it and practice it, and whenthey're really sick of it, we're
going to practice it a few moretimes.
And that's kind of what we needfor any part of our practice,
whether it's shielding,grounding, centering, cleansing
or whatever else our practiceentails.
So, yeah, we have to create asense of rhythm with all of this

(30:57):
, and I will say that once we'vedone it enough, we generate
some inertia and we kind ofshorten the distance between I
need protection and I feelprotected.
I'm not saying that wenecessarily collapse the
distance to zero all of the time, but there are certainly times

(31:18):
in the world where I canremember my favorite technique
and maybe I'm wearing arepresentation of that around my
wrist.
Maybe I've got that crystal onmy person and I can, just you
know, fondle that bracelet.
Or you know, reach into mypocket and grab that tumbled
stone and, just you know, pressinto it and and, and I feel the
uh, like the neural pathway I'vebuilt from doing the practice I

(31:41):
just, I automatically go to theend result of that practice
without having to stop andbreathe and do all of the things
when I'm in the middle of reallife.
And the beauty of this is, whenwe do our practice consistently
, we're actually more preparedfor the in the moment stuff,
because we've built that musclememory.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
And I love that idea of I like to call these our
energetic tuning forks of whenyou've done something enough and
you have that energetic patternor that neural network or
whatever perspective you want totake on this.
When you have that inertia, thatmomentum going, it becomes so
much easier to just tune intothat.

(32:40):
And that idea of closing or atleast shortening the gap between
needing protection and feelingprotected is something that I
share with my students over andover and over again, because I
find that the're doing in theritual like there are obviously
some things like the banishingritual, which I want to talk
about in a minute that aresteeped in history and tradition
and have a lot of meaning tothe actual practice itself.
But a lot of the practices andrituals that we see for

(33:02):
especially psychic protection,but even just our spiritual
energetic hygiene, it's notreally about what you're doing
in the ritual, it's more abouthow are you feeling with the
ritual.
And that's part of why I loveyour book, because you have so
many different practices thatit's like which one is going to

(33:23):
resonate the most for you,because this one practice, that
maybe your favorite practice,might not resonate as much for
me.
And then, therefore, becauseI'm just doing it, because I
quote, unquote should, and I'mnot in the energy of it, I'm not
embodying the energy ofprotection that that ritual
might be able to give me, thenthat protection that it provides
would be less than if I foundone that really resonated with

(33:46):
and, like you were sayingearlier, amplified that feeling
of protection within me.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, it is how we feel about a practice during a
practice.
After a practice should tell usa lot.
It should be a pretty goodindicator of how things are
going, and that's not to sayyou're not going to get bored
from things or that you're notgoing to have to occasionally do
things that are good for youjust because they're good for

(34:12):
you.
I am a big fan of, kind of like, staying the course, but it
doesn't mean we have to getprescriptive about that.
We should be able to stayengaged.
We don't wanna check out thepart of the challenge of having
that say familiarity with thepractice.

(34:34):
Of course inertia is wonderful,as long as we are conscious of
it.
But the flip side of if youfeel protected, you are
protected, is also, if you feelcursed, you are cursed.
We often say you are protectedis also, if you feel cursed, you
are cursed.
We often say I think Iparaphrase this somewhere in the
book like whether you actuallyare under psychic attack or you
only believe you are, the remedyis the same and it's it's just

(34:58):
kind of the mirror image of this.
It's two ends of two sides ofthe same coin.
But our mental state is areally clear indicator of how
things are going, and it doesn'tnecessarily, if our mental
state can't be wrangled, doesn'tnecessarily mean the practice
is bad, but it might mean thatour framework needs attention,

(35:21):
like what are we really doing tocultivate the mindfulness
necessary?
And that's sometimes acompletely unrelated issue and
one that I don't think Iaddressed super well in the book
, because it's kind of a giventhat if you're going to do the
meditation, you're going to bepresent in the meditation, and
if we're having difficulty withthat or anything like that, it's

(35:44):
a symptom of maybe a differentissue.
But I wanted to have so manydiverse themes as well as
diverse practices that correlateto each theme, so there could
be something for everybody'sflavor of spirituality.
There certainly are some more,we'll say, heely-feely practices
as well as some more occult-ypractices, some that might feel

(36:07):
a little shamanic, some thatfeel a little bit more
ceremonial, some that are kindof folkloric.
And part of what took me such along time to write this book was
the dialogue I had internallyabout being concerned I was
going to isolate one part of anaudience while discussing

(36:29):
something else in the book, andso I really wanted to be super
mindful about all of that.
I wanted to ensure that myserious occultist practitioners
didn't scoff at some of theairy-fairy woo-woo stuff and
vice versa, that people weren'tuncomfortable, and so far, I
mean, the feedback is good.

(36:49):
I feel pleased with the outcome.
But we are also allowed to trynew things, and so I wanted lots
of different things in the book, not just because I write
encyclopedias for a living, butalso, if we are having
difficulty connecting, if we arehaving difficulty engaging, if

(37:11):
the technique thatprescriptively sounds the most
appropriate isn't making us feelsafe and protected, try a
different one.
Give yourself permission toexperiment.
Give yourself permission to bewrong.
This a refrain that I've comeinto a lot, especially in the
last year, um, and it actuallywas kind of born out of my, my,

(37:31):
uh, my hobby in the world ofmusic.
Like, just give yourselfpermission to make mistakes and
do it confidently, um, and ifyou do that, then you're going
to have probably more hits thanmisses.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Absolutely, and it's funny having this thread of the
conversation go in thisdirection, because one of the
things that, again, I think youmaybe address without actually
addressing it I'm trying toremember if there's a specific
part where you're talkingspecifically about this but one
thing that I noticed was thatthroughout the book, there's

(38:07):
this undertone of understandingthat, whether you're creating a
crystal grid or you're doing thebanishing ritual, or you're
making a spell or whateveryou've chosen as your ritual or
your practice for that situation, there's this undertone of
knowing that the outcome of that, the goal of that, is that not
that you're giving your poweraway, not that you're saying

(38:29):
this crystal is now going toheal me or this ritual is fixing
me, it's can you bring thatpower back to yourself, can you
reclaim what is rightfully yours.
And that's such a powerfulperspective to take when it
comes to psychic protection.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
It is.
This comes back to this themeof embodied practice which has
shown up really big in my liferight now.
When we go through the motionswell, let's take even a step
further back, when we're new toa practice and we experience a
kind of magical outcome, we findthat piece of rose, quartz, and
maybe our grief gets smaller,or we find that that new partner

(39:09):
or, you know, the buddingromance starts to go really well
.
It is so easy to outsource theagency.
It's not us that's doing any ofthat, it's it's the magical
rock we just bought, but reallyit's us and the magical rock
together.
It is relational in how itworks and if we put all of the

(39:34):
attention on the external andneglect the internal, pretty
soon that magical rock feels alot less magical.
It's.
It's it's doing less because itwas never solely in charge of
your life.
It is, it is an invited guestin your life, really, if you
think about it, especially atthe beginning, and that can take
us to a place where we getstagnant, where we go through
the motions, where we thinkwe're being mindful about

(39:58):
picking our crystal and maybewe're cleansing and programming
it, but because we're stillputting the agency, the
responsibility, on the externalobject, we're losing our own
magic, and so what we need to dois really live the practice,
however simple it looks like.
My favorite daily practice ofself-protection the Labradorite

(40:20):
shield that's in the book Istill use with such frequency
that it might astonish peoplefor the number of years that
I've done it it is still myfirst thing to teach people who
are kind of new.
Labradorite is magical, so it'san easy thing to get people
excited about.
That's part of the reason why,but also I've had such profound
results from it and I make surethat I still have that, that

(40:46):
peace inside of me that isreally present.
And the litmus test for me andI think this will be true for
many things, not for everypractice, but especially for one
like this is the sense ofwonderment, the sense of awe.
Sense of awe Like we're makingmagic, we are wielding unseen

(41:15):
energies.
This piece of the earth has arainbow inside it.
It does phenomenal things withlight.
How amazing is this universe inwhich we live.
And if I can start from thatplace, I will be present and I
won't just go through themotions.
I also won't outsource theagency, because that labradorite
can sit on my desk all day longand it's just going to sit on

(41:37):
my desk all day long.
Sure, I do believe in a kind ofelectromagnetic inspired model
of its energy field interactingwith mine, but until we're
relational about it, there'snothing to direct it.
So that piece of living, ourpractice of internalizing, our
practice of kind of takingself-inventory, how do I feel

(41:59):
before, during and after?
If I feel vacant, if I feelbored, if I feel stagnant, if I
feel distracted, maybe it's timeto switch things up and
particularly in the realm ofprotection work, having more
than one skillset, more than onetool, more than one layer is
really important.

(42:19):
We can use the analogy thatlike if someone picks the lock
into your house that compromisesyour protection and safety, you
replace the lock, you don'tjust lock the same one.
So if you have only one kind ofpsychic self-defense practice
and something compromises that,we don't just do it over and

(42:40):
over again.
We add another layer to it.
Maybe we install an alarm in ourhouse, maybe we get a guard dog
, maybe we add a deadbolt,there's so many ways that we can
think about that.
But when we embody thepractices inside and out, yes,

(43:00):
they are firmer, but it alsogives us a little bit more
leeway to say you know what,today I feel like embodying
something different.
Today my energy is not reallyengaging in the same way with my
normal routine, so let's mix itup, and that's the beauty of
being able to sample from like abuffet of practices.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
So one of the practices that you share in the
book that I have been using inmy own practice because I wanted
to be able to talk about it andit's been.
It has quickly become afavorite is the banishing ritual
and it's at the end of chaptertwo for those who end up buying
the book.
Would you mind sharing a littlebit about that ritual and how
you kind of sculpted it for thebook and what it's for kind of

(43:45):
sculpted it?

Speaker 2 (43:45):
for the book and what it's for.
Yeah, so thank you.
Um, uh, I'm so glad to hearpeople are putting it into
practice, cause this is one ofthose like weird things that I
just kind of came up with and Ididn't have a home.
So, if we like, hit rewindseveral years in my life, um,
ahead of when I actually startedwork on this book.
Um, I was taking some trainingwith Christopher Penzac with the

(44:09):
temple of witchcraft, and thefirst degree has a whole module
on um protection work and, uh,in addition to like the normal
textbook, there's someadditional assigned reading and
I'm going through it and I'mlike, oh, I have practices that
feel similar to this and that,and there's only so much of that
assigned reading we actuallyhad to do and report back on for

(44:30):
our homework.
But I wanted to just not do thebasic stuff.
I mean, if you hand me anotherbook and say this is, you know,
do all of this, this, this andthis are necessary and the rest
is optional, I'm going to gowell, let's explore some of that
optional stuff.
So I began practicing what'scalled the lesser banishing

(44:50):
ritual of the pentagram and I, I, I needed a daily practice
wherever possible, at least twoto three times a day and if I
didn't have that luxury, atleast once a day at the very
beginning.
And this is a kind of ritualpractice that has at its core
some imagery borrowed from,we'll say, the kind of hermetic

(45:13):
Western mystery traditions.
This is a ritual that's used ina lot of ceremonial magic, such
as that of the, the golden dawnand similar kinds of occult
orders and mystical for aneternities, and I enjoy the
outcome of this ritual quite abit, all of its imagery, all of
the kind of like, um, we'll say,the script, the liturgical

(45:36):
aspect doesn't, doesn'tnecessarily look like the core
of my practice, althoughthematically they may be related
.
So, um, I I wanted to see ifthere were other analogs, like
could we come up with somethingthat follows this framework,
that maybe uses a differentmetaphor, a different symbol, a
different image to tap into thesame archetypal forces?

(45:59):
And so I thought, well, I mean,the most natural thing for me
would be to pick gemstones thatare aligned with the kind of
angelic forces and directionalforces and everything else.
And I gave myself permission towander a little bit off script
and not have to make a carboncopy of this, which was a
critique I got from some folkswho really wanted it to be just

(46:20):
a little bit closer to theoriginal.
I had an extra step that's notfound in your standard banishing
rituals and I went back andforth and I decided to keep them
in.
But when I put this togetherand shared it with a couple of
colleagues, they were all fairlyimpressed that I would go to
such great lengths.
But the idea of these rituals isthat they offer a sense of

(46:45):
grounding.
First and foremost, they centerus within our kind of like
reorient the psyche as well asthe energy, body in material and
immaterial space.
And then the majority ofbanishing rituals that you'll
find, such as the lesserbanishing ritual in the
pentagram, also call in thesekind of elemental or similar

(47:07):
forces that are aligned with theelements and the directions to
create this holistic kind ofprotection inside and out.
And so I chose five gemstonesthat did this.
I created the kind of preludeof it, which I call the Mineral
Cross or the Crucian Mineralium,because I had to like be really

(47:28):
nerdy and come up with Latinnames for all of this to kind of
feel similar to the old schoolgrimoires and that that cross of
energy that we make in our ourfield, gives us a sense of
connecting heaven and earth, butalso giving us this kind of

(47:50):
horizontal axis and we recognizethat we sit in the middle of
this, we are centered in theuniverse, and that replenishes
our field, it stabilizes ourfield, it draws forth, we'll say
, the kind of nutritive forcesto nourish us when we need it.
And then the second part, theVigiliae Lapidus, the sentinels

(48:12):
of stone, is where we kind ofinvoke the qualities of these
four different gemstones tostand around us and then one at
our heart.
So they are, let's see, if wego in order.
It should be, uh, emerald, ohgosh, I don't know if I can do
this, but we'll say emerald,sapphire, quartz and Ruby, if,

(48:33):
if I get it in order.
Um, thank you, I'm a littlerusty, um, I haven't done this
in a while, um, which isprobably signal that I ought to
pick up the practice again.
And then you invoke diamond inthe kind of middle of that.
And these are four stones ofvarying degrees of preciousness
by today's standard, but wereonce considered to be very, very

(48:54):
precious objects, and they'reassociated with the directions,
with the elements, with the sameangels that one might invoke in
the traditional LBRP, and wecreate this like larger field
that banishes disruptive andharmful energies.

(49:16):
It doesn't just offerprotection to you personally
when we do these rituals, theyactually clear our space.
And so in a lot of strains ofoccult practice and ritual magic
, ceremonial magic, this is thekind of thing we do to prepare
the setting for whatever we'regoing to do next, rather than
having to, you know, lightsomething up for some smoke

(49:40):
cleansing or any other kind ofritual action.
Just the banishing ritualitself can do that.
But also it can become our kindof portable shield when we
think about how we're affixingthese energies to us or affixing
ourselves within that ontology,that space.
And so when I came up with it,it was like a part of my early
treatment for a proposal.

(50:01):
I had some stones as examples.
I had this ritual that Iscripted in a sort of
semi-finished form and then themajority of a sample chapter,
and then, when it came time tosit down and write the book, I
really didn't know where thisritual belonged.
I couldn't figure out where itwas most at home.

(50:22):
If we think about it in terms ofpersonal protection, it's great
in like the shielding andpersonal protection chapter, but
also if we think about it asbanishing unwanted influences, I
can put it in the banishing andbinding chapter.
But if we put it in the contextof clearing our space, we can
put it in the chapter on psychichygiene.

(50:44):
So I decided I was going tocompromise and pick the one that
came first, which is why it'sin chapter two.
So if it feels like a reallybig practice to take on for
folks, you don't have to do itright then and there.
You don't have to integrate itever like if that's just not
what your style of practicelooks like.
But when we learn thosefundamentals early on and we

(51:07):
make them a part of a regularroutine practice whether it's
this or some other kind of we'llsay something else that shares
rhetorical goals with this thenwhen we really need it, when
things are urgent, we've alreadygot it and I think that was
really why I wanted to insert itearlier in the book versus
later.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Absolutely.
And I think it really is agreat almost introduction to
everything else that you do inthe book because it really
encompasses everything.
It has that presence of comingback into the present moment.
It has orienting yourself tothe directions and to the stones
and those archetypal energies.
It has connecting yourself withthe heavens and to the stones
and those archetypal energies.
It has connecting yourself withthe heavens and the earth.

(51:49):
And one of the reasons that Iwas drawn to this ritual of all
the others and I think ourlisteners will relate to this as
well is I think everybody atthis point has heard one of our
team members call in thedirections from a shamanic
tradition where you call in east, south, west, north, you call
to the spirits from above, tothe spirits from below and then

(52:11):
to the spirits within, whetherthat's your middle world guys or
your higher self.
And this banishing ritual thatNicholas has in the book to me
is very similar to the callingin of the directions.
And what I love about the factthat you're really clear about
how this is rooted in traditionbut a little bit sculpted to the

(52:32):
present modern day and to yourown practice is it kind of gave
me permission to startexperimenting with what if I
combine this ritual with mycalling in of the directions,
because it has such a similarintention of rooting yourself
into your space, clearing yourenergy, setting up that sacred
nature of what you're doing andthe work that you're about to do
, and it has quickly become afavorite addition to my calling

(52:55):
in of the directions and I justwanted to share that for anybody
who's maybe been listening tothis conversation.
And if you really are, you know,kind of a hardcore shamanic fan
like I am thinking where doesall of this fit in?
There are so many and this iswhat I love about spirituality
and the occult, or animism, oragain, whatever lens, like
Nicholas was saying earlier,whatever lens you take your

(53:16):
spirituality from that.
There are so many themes andarchetypes that we come back to
again and again and again, andwhen you find that one that
resonates with you, you see itmirrored everywhere, kind of
like a crystal structure.
So I just I wanted to sharethat because it's it's quickly
become one of my favorite piecesof the book.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
That makes me so incredibly happy.
Thank you.
The goal when we write thesepractices, my hope, is the tool
as written is useful for people.
But I have this secret,subversive, hidden agenda every
time I write a book, and it isto encourage people to think for

(53:59):
themselves.
If I model a way we dosomething and I explain why we
do it this way, or, you know,unpack some symbolism, what I'm
really hoping is not just you dothe thing, because I said so,
but you're able to apply thesame logic and reasoning, the
same symbol set, the same kindof interpretive lens to anything
in your practice.

(54:20):
And then a book like this is notjust a set of instructions,
it's more like a recipe book.
And you know if we're, if we're, cooking something.
You know I see a great recipeshow up on Instagram for you
know some kind of curry chicken.
I don't eat chicken, but I can.
I can take the parts about thatthat I like and apply it to veg
or tofu or whatever else it'sgoing to be and, and and.

(54:44):
That kind of creativity, thatpermission is such an important
part.
So thank you for sharing that.
That is, you just fulfilled mysecret, subversive mission there
and that that means so much tome.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Beautiful.
So I do have one final,potentially final, question for
you, depending on how you answer.
If you could give one piece ofadvice to someone who is wanting
to start this work, what wouldit?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
be, oh goodness.
Only one piece of advice.
It's hard because there's somany angles that we can come at
this from, and I think what Imight tell people is find the

(55:41):
practice you get excited about,find the thing you get excited
about and keep finding ways tostay excited.
And then it's not so much acase of do things in this order
this sequence I'm not trying totell you.
I mean the book follows alogical order on purpose.
I'm hopeful that people realizeif you do things in that order,

(56:05):
you're good.
But really find that sense ofwonder, find that sense of awe.
I still do this Labradoriteshield technique that I came up
with in I don't know 2017, 2018.
I'm not really sure Somewherearound there, and I still get

(56:25):
excited.
When I take a piece oflabradorite and I turn it in the
light and I see that flash ofcolor, that kind of spectral
luminosity inside, and Iinternalize that image and I
project it into my field, Istill feel a sense of wonder.
I can't tell you how manyhundreds thousands of times I've

(56:48):
done it, the countless timesI've guided other people through
it.
I still get excited by it andso, therefore, I'm still happy
to do it every day and gettingexcited about more than one
thing is useful, but reallystart with that piece, rather
than a prescriptive.
Pick this crystal, do thisthing, what crystals do you get

(57:11):
excited by?
Ignore the interpretations inthe books.
I say that as someone whowrites crystal books Like yes,
please buy them and refer tothem, but also give yourself
permission to pick somethingthat excites you, because that
spark of excitement, that sparkof wonder, that is the raw fuel
that is going to take you somuch further than just a

(57:36):
descriptive set of instructionsin a book.
We don't want to be tooprescriptive about things.
We also don't necessarily needto play everything fast and
loose, but the relationship webuild with our allies, our
material tools and our unseenallies, as well as the allies

(57:57):
that we've got in body, thatsense of inner fulfillment,
wonder, love, call it whateveryou will, that is the source of
the magic.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Absolutely so, nicholas.
This has been once again anabsolutely fantastic
conversation.
I'm sad that it's coming to anend, but I am curious, is there?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
anything that you wish we had touched on, that we
didn't.
You wish we had touched on that?
We didn't.
I think I just want to followone little thread that you
brought up with regards to thebanishing ritual, and it was the
idea that we can examinesomething rooted in a historical
practice.
We can understand how thingswere historically done, but this

(58:46):
is not a book necessarily ofhistorical practices.
This is for us living today,and there's this attitude we
find in a lot of spaces in theworld where we assume that
something is better because it'solder or more authentic because
it's older or more effectivebecause it's older, and that is

(59:10):
not always the case.
There are some very simple,we'll say archaic, historical
practices for psychicself-defense involving rocks and
minerals that I think arephenomenal.
I have hagstones all over thehouse.
I've got some hung up in thebedroom.
We do those kinds of historicpractices but at the same time,

(59:31):
like updating things for theworld we live in now, also
bearing in mind certain themesregarding material safety of
some of these ingredients, likethere are some toxic minerals
out there, we wouldn'tnecessarily use them in the same
way that our ancestors did.
Arsenic compounds are great,but we don't use them to make

(59:52):
emerald green dye anymorebecause it kills us.
So I really wanted the book tobe a manual for today.
So, even when it references ahistoric thing, I haven't
decontextualized it, but maybeI've recontextualized it to make
some things more accessible andeasier and also to really

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remind us that this is the worldwe live in.
And maybe the tool from the17th century is super cool,
difficult to execute in today'sworld, but we can be inspired
from it.
So I want people to be inspiredby these things.
Even if you don't follow themreligiously or dogmatically, let

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that inspiration guide you, andI had a lot of fun taking those
historical threads and weavingthem together with new crystals
and new things, as respectfullyas I was able to.
And yeah, thanks forrecognizing that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Absolutely, and it is something that in my own
personal practice, I'm reallypassionate about as a shamanic
practitioner.
I think everybody kind of knowsme in Moon Rising as the
shamanic practitioner who reallyconnects us back to what?
Moon Rising, as the shamanicpractitioner who really connects
us back to what are our rootsin shamanism, but not in a way
that we're saying, just like youwere saying, we can only do it
the way that it was originallythought of, or if we're straying

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from tradition, then we'redoing it wrong or it's not going
to be as useful.
It's this understanding thatthere is so much wisdom there,
right, having that respect forour elders and our ancestors and
the traditions that led us towhere we are today, while also
being able to recognize that theenergies we're faced with today
are wildly different thananything our ancestors faced,

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and so our practices areinevitably going to need to
adapt, are inevitably going toneed to adapt, and we're going
to have to innovate a little bitto be able to bring that
tradition and that wisdom andthe healing that was available
then and apply it to the energyof today's world.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
And not to mention for my specific niche in this.
We have way more minerals atour disposal now.
There's just so much choice.
So I think that's a reallyexciting part about living in
today's world.
The medieval and earlierlapidary grimoires that list all

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these rare and exotic gems,sometimes fabulous and invented
ones.
They pale in comparison to thesheer diversity that we've got
in our average crystal shoptoday, and all of those things
that don't appear in thosepre-modern texts are equally as
magical and valuable andinspirited.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
And that was also part of the fun and updating the
practices with what we've gotavailable to us now part of the
fun and updating the practiceswith what we've got available to
us now Absolutely, and I love,like we mentioned, that it has
that piece of permission thereof take what resonates, leave
what doesn't.
At least try it before you leaveit, but understand that there
is room for that play and thatinnovation and the inspiration

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to come through so that you canadapt these practices to your
own life and to your own energyand to what's going to work best
for you.
So, for all of you listening,this book is, like I've said
many times in this interview,absolutely phenomenal.
I highly recommend every singleone of you to buy it, listen to
it, whatever it is, and justknow that it really does run the

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gamut of everything psychicself-defense and you guys know
that we're pretty stringentabout our psychic self-defense
here at Moon Rising, and so tofind a book that meets the cut
is really truly a gift and suchan honor to get to interview it.
It covers everything from yourown personal energetic hygiene
to clearing your house, tocleansing your crystals, to

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crystal grids, to psychicattacks, to spells and curses,
and in those conversations has aspace for everyone, no matter
where on the spiritual spectrumyou fall, and so I highly
recommend that you read thisbook and Nicholas, for those who
are wanting to read or toconnect with you.
How can they do that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Oh, thank you so much .
The book, theoretically, isavailable anywhere books are
sold.
Go find it in your local indiebookshop, your local
metaphysical store.
If they don't carry it, I'msure they're happy to order it
for you.
Of course, you can get it fromall the normal places and chains
as well.
If you want to connect with me,it's theluminouspearlcom or at
theluminouspearl on social media, and I would just love to

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connect with more folks.
I've got a variety of classesat any given moment and other
great events coming up, so youcan find all that on my website.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Thank you so much, nicholas, for another
outstanding interview andconversation and for another
phenomenal book that you've putout into the world to help
people find their way in theenergetic realm.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
My pleasure.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
And to all of you listening.
Until next time, may you awakento the whispers of wisdom
rising from within.
Thanks for tuning in to today'sshow.
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mystics.
Once again, thank you forsharing space with us today and
until next time, may you awakento the whispers of wisdom rising
from within.