November 24, 2025 • 51 mins
What if pain isn’t a problem to erase but a message asking to be heard? We sit down with medical intuitive and psychic medium Lauren Sietzema to explore how chronic pain, trauma, and nervous system patterns can transform when we choose integration over fixing. Lauren shares her journey through fibromyalgia, the moment exquisite pain became a gateway, and the practices that helped her reclaim sovereignty without abandoning sensitivity.
In this episode, we’ll explore:
- Moving from fibromyalgia to self-sourced sovereignty
- Integration of shadow and light
- The Venn diagram as a way to interpret partnership overlap and the creation of a third thing
- Boundaries over people-pleasing for nervous system safety
- Ethics in psychic work and informed autonomy
- Structured intuitive training and safe foundations
- Empaths on equal footing with self-compassion
- Neurodivergence, sensitivity, and grounded practice
Together we unpack the yin and yang of healing: light without shadow is stasis; shadow without light is collapse. When they hold hands, movement happens. We talk practical mechanics—the nervous system as messenger, beliefs as signals, and why attention can amplify or ease symptoms. We also get real about boundaries, people-pleasing, and the cultural habit of separation that keeps so many empaths stuck. Lauren offers a clear path for ethical intuitive development: start with the body, add emotional literacy, examine thought patterns, and stabilize beliefs before reaching for high-voltage spiritual states.
Then we move into discussion on relationships that become the catalyst. Two whole people can meet in an overlap that creates a “third thing”—a shared field where growth accelerates without self-abandonment. We discuss how to protect that space, spot projections, and honor autonomy so healing doesn’t turn into dependency. If you’re neurodivergent or highly sensitive, you’ll find grounded practices that respect both science and spirit, bridging somatics with intuition in a way that’s safe, ethical, and sustainable.
Come for the insights on chronic pain and medical intuition; stay for the blueprint on sovereignty, ethics, and community. If this resonated, subscribe, share with a friend who needs it, and leave a review telling us one boundary you’re ready to honor this week. Your voice helps others find the courage to integrate, not separate.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the podcast of Moon
Rising Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Renee
and Chantel Ochoa as we dancebetween worlds of shamanism,
mysticism, and energy healing.
Each week we illuminate yourpath to self-sourced wisdom and
attune you to the whispers ofwisdom rising from within.
(00:24):
Welcome to Wisdom Rising.
I am your host, Christine Renee,and we have a wonderful guest
on, Lauren Sitzma, who isjoining us as a medical
intuitive to share with us herjourney through fibromyalgia and
really understanding what it'slike to move through panic and
understand pain from ametaphysical point of view,
(00:46):
through parts integration,understanding the yin-yang of
energy, removing the idea thatseparation exists and really
taking ownership of yourinternal experience.
We also get into things like howdoes interacting with others and
energies coming together inpartnership expedite our growth
(01:11):
process.
So I hope that you are stickingaround for this episode.
It's a really interesting one.
I really enjoyed talking withLauren.
And know that if you would liketo know any more information
about working with Lauren, docheck out those show notes for
all of the links there.
And I hope you enjoy thisepisode.
(01:33):
Well, welcome back to WisdomRising.
I am here with Lauren Sitzma asour guest for the show today,
who is a psychic medium and amedical intuitive and teacher.
And we share space at theBozeman Spiritual Society.
And so I wanted to have her comeon.
I haven't really heard yourstory as of yet.
I know you're fairly new totown, and I have seen you as a
(01:56):
medical intuitive for my ownstuff.
And I was like, I just want toknow more about your story, what
brings you to where you aretoday, what you offer.
I want to know all of thethings.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
Well, first of all, thank you so much for inviting
me.
It is such an honor.
Um, Christine, I had the honorof being at one of your red tent
ceremonies, and it wasincredible.
And um it was at that point,like I knew like that was the
space that I needed to be in.
I'm like totally a person whereit's like a beautiful balance
(02:28):
between, you know, soft andhard, you know, boss lady as
well as we allow things to flowand creativity to happen within
structure.
Right.
So I really resonated with that.
So I'm like, yes, this is thecommunity that I've been looking
for.
Um, as you can tell, accent, Icome from Australia.
Um, some people say New Zealandor England, it doesn't really
(02:50):
matter, it's fine.
But um uh coming to Bozeman, uh,we were originally in Billings
and we moved to Bozeman, and itfelt like it was like the
perfect space for uh my nowhusband.
Um, he was in Australia in theend of 2023, and we met and we
met of all things uh beachvolleyball because why not?
(03:13):
It's Australia.
Absolutely love that.
How else do you meet?
Um, so we uh really hit it off,and it was beautiful and scary.
Beautiful and scary because wehad to do long distance, he had
to come back here, I had to goback and forth and you know,
disassemble life in Australia,reassemble life here, go through
(03:34):
all those stresses of unknownsand not knowing um how things
were necessarily going tounfold, but also having to hold
that um all the options thatwere coming at us at the same
time.
So it was beautiful and amazingand growing, and uh we ended up
(03:55):
getting married and because wewe decided we took the plunge.
We um uh we were in Billings forabout a year for his work, and
we traveled around.
So I've been all around Montana,which is actually pretty
amazing, like it's beautiful,and being able to see all of the
nooks and crannies on the eastand west side and up to
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Whitefish and up to Canada.
SPEAKER_00 (04:20):
So congratulations on the marriage and that you're
here and settled in.
And I feel like uh you we I metyou at one of our social
potlucks and you were lookingfor a spiritual community, and I
was like, you have found theright space.
Like out of everywhere I'vetraveled in Montana, you're not
gonna find it quite likeBozeman.
(04:42):
And we're so blessed that wehave the community here, and and
you just dove right in.
And I yeah about you, that youwere there's no hesitancy.
There you're like you very, veryclearly you know who you are,
you know what your passion is,you know what your gifts are,
you know how to share them, andyou just showed up fully.
SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
So yay for that.
I wouldn't do it if I wasn'tdoing it all in, like other it's
it's all or nothing for me whenit comes to um anything in my
life, really.
Uh I very much choose thechoices that I make.
And um it leads into kind of thework that I do as well, um, like
with other people.
Um, and I think like at thatpotluck, I was looking for one
(05:25):
community, two like-mindedpeople.
And I think the thing that Inoticed like most when I first
got here, because I wasn't inBozeman to start with, was that
separation.
There's a lot of separation fromeach other and from self.
So um that's something that Ithink is more palpable here in
the States versus Australia,even though it definitely is
(05:47):
there as well.
And there is separation betweenlots of different things.
And um, for me, as somebody whosees things for what they are,
for exactly what they are, um Ican't help but you know be
exactly what I am.
Um and people can like it orlump it.
(06:08):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (06:09):
So yeah.
So tell me a little bit aboutyour path, your journey, what
your what your share is.
SPEAKER_01 (06:17):
Like I want to kind of dive into who Lauren is and
and what I bring to the BoozeSociety.
Yeah.
So um I think that uh for me andmy journey, and it starts like
from very young age.
Um, I have been um practicing asa professional psychic medium
for the last maybe 10, 11 years.
(06:39):
And uh during that journey, it'sbeen a huge mix of um, you know,
working on my own psychologicaland emotional stuff because like
when it comes to spiritual work,it is not just about the you
know, that stuff, it's aboutthis stuff, um, and being able
to get that balance right.
And so for me, it was likeintegrating all of the things
(07:02):
that had happened in my life,making sense of it, uh getting
peace with it, alchemizing that,integrating it.
And then as I um went on,because like for me, I had a
chronic illness and um therewere not many options.
It was fibromyalgia for anybodywho suffers from an autoimmune
disease.
Yeah, it's one of thoseambiguous, you know, broad-term
(07:25):
diseases that doesn't havereally a clear place, but it
usually comes with trauma, or itusually comes from your nervous
system and doesn't it kind ofjump around?
SPEAKER_00 (07:33):
Everyone I've worked with with fibromyalgia, it's
been like it's in my shoulder,now it's in my stomach, now it's
in my system all overeverywhere, everywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (07:43):
And for me, like it's been a mixture of you know,
uh in integrating like just likeuh everybody of all shapes and
siders, genders and um people onthe spectrum is a really
important thing to me.
So the queer community is veryimportant to me.
Um, and just full acceptance.
And I think the most importantthing is that my external world
(08:07):
needs to match my internalworld, and I want other people
to feel the same.
Um, and that's the work that Ido to recognize the parts of
ourselves that um are not beingfully uh recognized, understood,
or you know, accepted into, youknow, the whole.
And uh I started to notice thatwith the medical intuitivence
(08:29):
coming in, I'm a person thatreally understands um pain and
the complex nuances of pain andthe interplay of different
emotions and feelings and beingable to articulate and express
them and validate them for otherpeople when they didn't know how
to speak for themselves.
SPEAKER_00 (08:50):
Yeah, let's talk about that a little bit because
I'm I'm curious about painbecause so many are experiencing
chronic pain.
Yeah.
And, you know, there'softentimes this psychological
piece to it.
Yeah.
And also, you know, where dopeople get stuck in the cycle of
pain or victimhood?
(09:11):
And how do you break out ofthat?
I'd let love to know what yourexperiences personally and and
with your clientele.
Like what do you think aboutpain?
SPEAKER_01 (09:20):
So for me, you know, um, I for about 25 years, I was
experiencing pain to a certainextent.
And for me, it was about um alot of pain that can be
manifested, you know, starts inour nervous system.
And the nervous system is likethe physical tree, let's say,
(09:42):
that stretches out amongst therest of our body.
And the thoughts that we havesend information to those parts
of our body, and depending onwhat those thoughts are, your
body's going to receive it andit will manifest it.
So for people who fixate oncertain pain or types of pain or
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um the energy of that, so anenergy of lack could be no
energy whatsoever in all theways and forms in which you
notice that you do not haveenergy within your body, within
your money, within yourrelationships, right?
No give or take, etc.
And for me, um, as apractitioner, I was able to
identify the thing that usuallylike a belief system that they
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are got on repeat in their head,which is like, you know, a
protection mechanism that thebody does to stop us from dying.
So I recognize those beliefsystems that were put there, not
by themselves, but by fromsomething outside of themselves.
SPEAKER_02 (10:44):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:44):
And I'm that's sort of leading towards um, for me in
my journey, what brought me toAmerica specifically, and how
that has led to me being able tointegrate all parts of myself to
accept them as, you know, thereis no good or bad here.
So if we think about the yin andyang, black can be good, black
(11:07):
can be bad, white can be good,why can be bad.
It depends on the context and umwhat it is playing off, just
like yin and yang.
SPEAKER_00 (11:14):
Yeah, I find this conversation really interesting.
And I feel like it's coming upmore and more as you know, light
workers have shifted away fromhealing language, yeah, because
it's not necessarily aboutremoving the pain or removing
the brokenness, it's aboutintegrating the whole self, it's
all of it.
SPEAKER_01 (11:32):
All is good as long as it is.
Yeah.
As long as we recognize that'swhere we are and that's where
we're at.
And for me as a practitioner,what's really important for me
to be able to read people is Iknow where I am, I know what my
body feels like, I know what mypain feels like, what my
particles feel like.
So if anything drops in that'sdifferent, it's something else
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or somebody else.
And I know that for sure.
So yeah, like I help peoplepiece together the parts of
themselves that they think arebroken and show them that it's
all beautiful, it all hasmeaning and it all is it's all
on the same playing field.
SPEAKER_00 (12:16):
Right.
I think culturally we push awayso much on pain.
You know, our medical system isset up to say pain is bad.
Yes.
Right.
And so we're we're constantlyprogrammed to do whatever you
can to get rid of the pain.
The pain is the bad thing.
SPEAKER_01 (12:34):
Yes.
And my partner was evenmentioning this about like the
ideology of America is to focuson the bad rather than identify
where the good is and put ourfocus into that.
And it's almost as if everybodyis looking at each other and how
are you different from me?
And that creates separation.
And in doing so, we are alsoseparating from ourselves
(12:58):
because there's parts ofourselves that we are also
rejecting by doing that.
So everybody is separate andnobody is whole.
SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
Oh my gosh.
Like, yeah, yes, that makessense.
Yeah, right.
So recognizing when we can shiftand pivot over to recognizing
the areas that are going well.
Yes.
How does that how does thatreflect it in your life with the
actual pain?
Do you notice that the sufferingfeels less?
SPEAKER_01 (13:25):
So initially it was worse.
It got so worse.
And for me, I have beenpreparing, and I think the most
important thing that I conveywith any and any single client
is are you willing toobjectively and introspectively
take ownership over what isyours?
(13:47):
It may be 1% and it's 99% them,but you cannot control anything
external to you, nor should you.
So you can only control you, howyou feel, and where you shift.
So when you are interacting withsomebody, if they make you step
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away from yourself, you let themknow and you identify it, you
say that this is what I need,this is where I am.
And either we step into the ringtogether and share space and
create something more than thesum of our parts, which um kind
of like, you know, with thesewhere you have two circles that
(14:29):
interlock the space in between,that is the addition that we can
make when we merge with someone,you know?
And the space in between iswhere you share um common
values, common understanding,common interests, but you're
100% yourself in that overlap,right?
(14:50):
You don't step away fromyourself, you don't merge with
each other in order to becomeone another because you lose
yourself.
So um, this is where shadow workcomes into it, or dark night of
the soul, if people have, youknow, understand that concept.
It's where we're able to look atdark and light.
Think the hermit going through,you know, his little cabin has
(15:13):
that little piece of light.
It's like, I'm not sure whereI'm going, I don't know how this
is going to turn out, but I knowwho I am, and I am using this to
guide me on where I need to go.
And you're able to see yourshadow self, the victim, the the
(15:34):
one that's been hurt, the onethat's holding on to everything,
the belief systems that youdeserve it, that you're gonna
die, all of those things.
Right.
And you hold its hand and yougo, you be exactly what you are,
and I'm going to be exactly whatI am: dark, light, male, female,
(15:54):
hard, soft, whatever you want tocall it, it's all the same in
the end.
But it is two sides of the samecoin of love, and on their own,
they are unable to shift fromwhere they are.
But if they hold hands and theystay exactly as they are, they
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can uh cross the bridge or theymake a hole.
SPEAKER_00 (16:22):
It's interesting because I feel like also
oftentimes in the spiritualcommunities, it's so much like
you're gonna do it on your own.
This is completely aself-journey.
And I feel like once again, likethe the culture of the spiritual
community is pivoting andshifting and going, look at how
you can recognize yourselfwithin partnership with someone
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else.
Yes, and recognize where theoverlap is and how you are
mirroring each other and whatwhere the shadows are to
alchemize those parts.
That's right.
SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
Because love and light, whatever you want to call
it, the light aspect ofourselves cannot move from where
it is if it sits where it is,it's in peace.
It can only be what it is.
So light on its own is justpeace, but it is stagnant, it's
(17:19):
stasis, it doesn't move, itdoesn't create anything, it
doesn't manifest anything.
What do you do with this light?
It's just for you, and you can'tshare it, right?
So bring along fear, bring alongshadow, bring it like it's it's
down here, right?
And then you interact together.
And if you bring love to thatand fear trusts you, and you
(17:45):
trust fear to trust you, it's abalance, right?
Suddenly you have createdhealing.
SPEAKER_00 (17:53):
Right.
It's kind of like finding thosegrowth edges that you can't find
on your own.
Right.
I remember after I got adivorce, I spent a year alone.
Yeah, like intentionally, like,okay, I'm gonna, and then by the
end of the year, it's like, allright, I'm healed.
Yeah, yeah, I'm all good untilyou're in a relationship, and
then shit hits the peon.
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
And right, it brings up the stuff that you could not
have created on your own becauseit's in the crossover that you
create and manifest or co-createwith somebody the other thing.
It's the, you know, yin andyang, and then the third, the
relationship, the triad.
SPEAKER_00 (18:31):
Yeah.
That you create.
It's fascinating.
And I love this work because,you know, I think I've built my
a lot of my business and myclasses around individual work.
Yeah.
And it can only go so far.
Right.
And now that I'm doing a littlebit of tantra classes and
intimacy work, it's like, ohyes, and notice.
(18:54):
Oh, yes, and notice when we cometogether, even if you're not in
a romantic partnership, butyou're still doing partnered
work, any relationship, anyrelationship, it's like that's
where things get juicy.
SPEAKER_01 (19:06):
It's where, because the thing is, I kind of see it
as.
So my partner and I do have likereally clear crossover.
We both like volleyball, we bothenjoy DD, we both enjoy board
games.
But there's certain, you know,board games or video games that
I don't really necessarilyresonate with, right?
(19:27):
But in the crossover, I am ableto mix with him and he is
touching what um what he isinterested in.
So suddenly something that Iwould not have been interested
in on my own, I am interestedthrough going through to the
path of where of leastresistance to where it is, and
(19:50):
it's easier to reach for becauseI'm sharing it with somebody
else through their love andpassion for it.
And I find what is beautifulwithin that.
That still keeps me who I am.
I'm not gonna step out of myselfto step into their box, you
know, but I am going to go.
These are the aspects of whatyou're giving me that is 100%
(20:13):
me.
And that is where I willparticipate in that area.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (20:17):
And I think that's where you have to first kind of
know what your boundaries are.
SPEAKER_01 (20:22):
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00 (20:23):
You have to know who you are, who you identify as,
and get have that clarity ofthese are my passions, these are
my interests, this is whatlights me the fuck up.
Yeah.
So that you know when you'rerubbing up against someone else
and going, they're what it feelslike dragging you along to
events and things going, thisisn't actually something I want
(20:45):
to participate in.
Yeah.
This isn't what I want to do,and why am I doing it?
Because I'm trying to fill theirvoid.
The void, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (20:56):
So the void and the abyss is something that um has
been brought up a lot.
And it's something that comes, Ididn't know this at the time,
but like I think it's inKabbalah within the tree of
life, and you know, yin andyang.
The I'm very into quantumphysics myself, so matter and
antimatter, but both are matter,both are not matter.
So it's kind of one of thosethings where um just because
(21:18):
it's a zero doesn't mean it'sdoesn't have a value.
So um for me, I was faced withevery single thing that was
manifested in my life about whoI am and the pain that came
along with that, that I washolding in my nervous system.
(21:41):
And I had a decision to make,like after going through all of
that stress and particularlylike medical trauma and people
not believing me, and you know,me showing up as who I am and
telling the truth and not beingseen for what that is, because
people were just projectingtheir own stuff onto me rather
(22:02):
than seeing me as a separateentity, right?
So, and this is a common, youknow, thing that happens to a
lot of uh everybody, not justwomen.
And um for me, it's somethingthat really hits home for me,
that justice that um nobodydeserves that, um, being able to
(22:23):
be the voice, to be able to bethe strength, etc.
And I'd learnt to savagely lovemyself, but this was the time
where it's like, well, do youwant to not just savagely love
yourself, but would you like tointegrate all the dark parts of
you?
And would you like to alchemizeand not just be black and white
and dark and light?
(22:44):
Would you like to just be all?
Right, yeah, the whole.
Um, and uh I had a surgery whileI was over here and it activated
my nervous system to a million,and I can only describe the
situation is it turned my I wasalready at like you know eight
(23:04):
out of ten pain or every day.
It turned it into what I canonly describe as exquisite or
divine pain.
Where it was like I had to stepout of my physical body and I no
longer could see, hear, or talk.
And it was like full lookinginto the abyss, seeing the
(23:29):
aspect of myself that washolding all of that, you know,
darkness as being mine, myfault.
I'm the black dot on the whitescreen, right?
Or I'm the white victim that isum stuck with like all this
darkness around me, drowning init, you know.
(23:49):
So I decided I'm going to allowyou to exist exactly as you are,
because the other part of me hadfought so hard for like, you
know, its existence that it'slike it's okay.
I got you.
Trust me that I got you.
I know that I can trust you totrust me, and that's all I need
(24:11):
to do.
I'm not gonna step away fromlight side of me, I guess, the
light aspect of me that was likeI I am healthy, I I do want to
live, I want this so badly thatI am going to do both.
I'm gonna fight for the both ofus, just trust me, and that's
(24:35):
what I did.
I uh told my guides or thepowers that be, the void, the
abyss, and I said, give it to menow.
And it was like holding handswith myself and realizing that
(24:57):
by totally trusting my entirebeing, I was able to transcend
my physical body.
SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
It has a lot of feelings of surrender in it,
right?
But there it's not justsurrender, it's yeah, it's
actually so much more than that.
Because not only are you sayingI want to embrace all of who I
am, be what I am, be what I am,exactly as I am.
There is nothing fixed, there'snothing broken.
(25:30):
There's nothing broken here.
SPEAKER_01 (25:31):
I just am.
It just is, and just like beingat peace with like being able to
be with yourself and be atpeace, and you know how I said
about like two interactions thatyou yourself can actually create
that with aspects of yourself,but being with a person and you
(25:58):
coming together, you create thethird thing, right?
Yeah, so how does that look inyour relationship?
So for me and my partner, it wasreally interesting because he
he's very psychic himself, likehe's um got so many of those um
aspects that I have that he'scoming from a place of I guess
(26:20):
the void, like uh it's like it'sa representation of uh society
in general, not just in America,but the world.
And it's like this blindness,and I'm gonna say it's
unawareness.
He was just not aware of who heis and who everyone else is, and
(26:46):
um, to be aware of when we'restepping outside of ourselves
and doing things because it'swhat we've been told to do
rather than what it's what wewant to do.
SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
Right.
It almost is as if this is theway the world is kind of waking
up right now, is recognizingthat maybe there isn't anything
actually wrong with us.
SPEAKER_02 (27:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:09):
And as we are balancing up against other
people's energy of theirawareness of where who they are,
whether they're still kind ofsleeping and not fully
integrated yet, yeah.
And projections and mirroringand all those things versus I
(27:29):
know who I am, I know what myparts are.
I'm trying I'm trying to acceptand love all of who I am.
Yeah.
And all of the pain and this,you know, what I think that's
kind of a projection in ofitself, what suffering is,
right?
I uh it's integrate or separate.
SPEAKER_01 (27:48):
Those are your choices.
Integrate it or you can get outof here.
Like, I will not tolerate anyonewho comes into my life, says
that they're one thing, butenergetically they're showing up
in a different way.
And I'm like, it's okay to beyou, it's okay to want what you
want, it's okay to want therelationship that you want.
(28:11):
Any rule goes, and everyone getsto exist exactly as they are,
even if I don't agree, justdon't stop me from being the
exact thing I want to be,either.
So if somebody tries to pull meout of who I am to come be in
their box or be in their circleor integrate with them, when I'm
like, no, that's not who I am.
(28:32):
You're you're making me step outof myself.
That is separation and that ispain.
SPEAKER_00 (28:38):
I I love that.
I think that's where we'rewaking up to, right?
And so often we have thesestories of people pleasing,
these stories of like, I'm infight or flight, my nervous
system is dysregulated, I knowhow to font, make sure
everything else is happy.
Why are you doing that?
SPEAKER_01 (28:55):
A little bit take ownership over the stuff that
you have control over.
And I think the thing that mightit it it frustrates me a little
bit, but not so much unlesspeople give me crap about it.
Um, so if I bring it up and theygive me resistance, I'm like,
well, you you came for me forhelp, so I'm gonna push you a
little harder.
So if somebody says to me, thisperson's doing this and this
(29:16):
person's doing that, and thisand that, and whatever, and I'm
like, I'm sorry, are we incontrol of it the environment
around us and the people?
Are they in control of youractions?
No, we're in control ofourselves and we get to decide
who we are and whether what thebehavior you're seeing is what
you're willing to put up with.
And if you decide that that'snot what you want, if you don't
(29:39):
shift, you are going to causeyourself emotional pain, which
is going to translate intoeventually tummy pain, which
eventually turns into IBS, whicheventually turns into all of
these like escalating things.
And this is not to, you know,discount true things that are
like maladens.
(30:00):
Adaptins in the body, and abroken leg is a broken leg, but
it does make us aware of wherewe're walking.
SPEAKER_00 (30:07):
Yes, you know, right, right.
And one of my favorite freephrases is I'm not available for
that.
You know, like it's just I don'thave the energy for that today.
That's not in my that's not I'mjust not that doesn't work for
me.
Right.
You know, and I think if peoplecould just start saying, like,
I'm worthy to have my ownboundaries.
(30:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:29):
You get to be what you want to be, yeah.
You know, and I think uh yeah,the frustration starts to be is
like, and where people are like,why are they behaving like this?
Why are they doing this?
Why aren't they like me?
And I'm like, Well, like, sothen go be with somebody who's
like you and stop forcingyourself on someone who is not
(30:51):
willing to integrate with youand to build something bigger
than what they are and shift foryou, right?
And I think that's that growthfactor, yeah.
Or shift for themselves, likeprobably a better thing, as in
like they show up as them, youshow up as you, you look at each
other and you go, hmm, do I wantto step into the ring with you?
(31:12):
No, I don't want to.
So I'm going to be veryrespectful and I'm gonna step
away from you rather thanwasting both of our times.
SPEAKER_00 (31:21):
Yeah.
And and letting it be okay.
Yeah.
Like I think there's so much ofa cultural like thing of like we
have to be nice and accepteveryone and play nice, and
there's a do things we don'twant to do for people pleasing
or making other people feelbetter, but ultimately that
(31:42):
hurts people.
SPEAKER_01 (31:43):
If you care about them, if you're not showing up
and telling them who you are,you're hurting them on some
level because you're indicatingthat their behavior is okay, and
them showing up as them is okay.
And you underneath it, you'reresenting it and you're gonna
deflect that because you'vestepped away from yourself and
you're projecting your own painon them, and they are gonna feel
(32:05):
that you don't like them, andthen they're gonna feel that
they don't like themselves.
Yeah.
So, how are you feeling thesedays?
I like now that we're kind oflike fully settled and we've got
like um passport and green cardall sorted, it feels like the
moment that I understood why I'mhere, why this happened, that if
(32:28):
I was, I would have been fine bymyself, you know, I would have
been okay.
I would have had a pretty happylife, but I would have been in
stasis.
And I wouldn't have been ableto, you know, reach further.
And I what I realized like mypartner is for me, is that he is
like the the hermit, somebodywho didn't necessarily see the
(32:50):
things that I can.
And I am able to shine light onthe things that need to be
brought attention to, and he candecide whether he moves towards
it or not.
And he's the one that gets tolike shift me.
He gets to be that masculine,right?
The direction.
I get to decide like the oh theoverall, like what's the meaning
(33:12):
of all and to support createsacred space.
But he gets to pick me up andtake me there and look after my
body while I'm channeling, youknow?
Like he takes care of home whenI can soar to anywhere.
Yeah, that's beautiful.
Yeah, I'm really happy for you.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, yeah, it's it's amazing.
(33:34):
And I think like the more I amme, the more he becomes himself,
and the the like more amazingthings we get to like create
with each other.
I love that piece.
SPEAKER_00 (33:45):
Ugh.
Because I think that's where youknow true supportive romantic
relationships, that's that's tome the aftermore.
Yeah, you're bringing not onlyout the best in each other, but
you're also bringing growing andstretching and that needs your
attention.
SPEAKER_01 (34:01):
And it goes, do you like this still?
Does this work for you still?
Are you willing to face it andthen integrate it and go beyond
it to create the third thingthat's bigger than the fear and
the love together to createhealing and growth?
So, and and you know, that'sthat's true alchemy, and that's
(34:24):
what I'm all about.
And I think for for people whocome to me, if you I mostly do
um like teaching other buddingpsychics or people who are
wanting to be light workersthemselves, it matters so much
to me that it comes from such agenuine and ethical place.
(34:45):
And I think that's the one thingthat's missing in Australia as
well as here.
Like I'm I'm running like apsychic school, yeah, like a
structured way that really helpssupport people like myself who
didn't really know what to dowith the the gifts that they
(35:06):
had, or um, what do you do?
Where do you start?
What what skill set?
And for me, like I think I'vegotten myself to a place where I
can see from person to personbecause there is no, you know,
one size fits all when it comesto your own development.
And again, that's steppingoutside of self.
(35:26):
So for me, it's like, how can Ihelp you integrate all of your
parts so you truly know who youare?
And once you know that, then thedecisions of your direction just
flows out of you, and that'swhat I do.
Like, I want your external worldto match the true version of
(35:46):
your internal world so you canhelp transform other people,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (35:51):
It's like your alignment helps replicate it for
others.
SPEAKER_01 (35:54):
Yes.
For them to have a standingpoint to go, do I want to step
away from this?
Do I want to go towards this?
Do I want to block this?
Yeah.
And that's it.
I just stay exactly where I am,holding high vibration, and you
get to decide what you do withthat.
I will not make you do anything.
It's it's all you.
SPEAKER_00 (36:13):
I just provide the sacred space.
Well, I think this is such areally interesting conversation
when it comes to psychic giftsspecifically.
Like you can't waver in who youare while you channel.
That's right, right?
And so the more one can come toa place of I know who I am,
there's clarity there, yes, thenit's so much easier to bring
that channeled wisdom energy.
SPEAKER_01 (36:35):
It's neutral, it's like the the quickest way from
point A to point B, a straightline.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (36:41):
But when you have an individual who's wavering and
trying to pick up theirspiritual, that's right.
It's kind of like coming in.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:47):
And of and when fear comes in as well, because like a
lot of like new um people whoare like, oh, I I can see people
who have passed, but I'm scared,and I'm just like, hey, like
there is no scary in this, itall is.
So, like, what where's this fearcoming from?
It's not externally.
Who told you that?
Where did that come from?
(37:08):
And that's what I get to like,where is the program that you
picked up in this life that'skeeping you from being happy?
And how can you fix it?
Type of thing.
SPEAKER_00 (37:19):
Yeah, it was really interesting.
Yesterday I had a client and weit was um a student who was
doing private shamanic lessonswith me, and we got on the topic
of ghosts and other entities andall these things.
And she's like, at the end ofher little lesson, she was like,
You seem really comfortable andconfident.
Like, can other people learn howto do this?
I'm like, absolutely, yeah, butyou have to, it was that fear
(37:43):
factor, right?
SPEAKER_01 (37:44):
You know, like it's projected onto us the bad
aspects of it.
Anything different is scary, andso instead of like facing that
internally, we're gonna make ityour fault.
SPEAKER_00 (37:55):
Right.
And I think the more you go intothat shadow work, the so much
easier to look in the darkcloset.
Yeah.
I mean, like physically openinga closet where you're like,
there's some heavy negativeenergy in here.
Yeah, it's no longer scarybecause you've already looked at
your own.
SPEAKER_01 (38:11):
Exactly.
So, yeah, for for me, it's justabout people taking ownership
over their own stuff thatbelongs to them and deciding
whether they want to stay wherethey are, yeah, or do they want
to shift because it's who theywant to be, not because
someone's making them change,not because you're gonna be
(38:31):
forced to change or you thinkyou should, but because you know
that's closer or you'rerecalibrating to who you are.
And when people are in chaos,like it's like all these crazy
things are happening to me.
I'm like, wonderful.
That's that's great awarenessthat you're not where you're
meant to be.
Are you going to shift until itfeels like you when you move
(38:52):
towards yourself and yourboundaries and where you know
your world is?
And once you feel that, youdon't even need to make
decisions.
You're just on it.
It's you're there, right alreadyconnected with the version of
yourself energetically, because,like, you know, in the grand
scheme of things, we are allenergy and in the end, and we're
(39:13):
just lining up with the versionof ourselves that already has
the thing that we want.
So why we may as well enjoy itemotionally now, and then the
physical stuff will catch up.
SPEAKER_00 (39:23):
Well, it comes back to this sovereignty, free
agency, autonomy, right?
When we have those things, yes,and we are so solid in that,
yeah, then that's where the flowcomes.
I have the right to choose, andso do you, and that's okay.
So right, I'm like, I'm like, ohlike repeating that, right?
Like it's when you have thefreedom to choose, it's you need
(39:46):
to recognize you have thefreedom to choose.
SPEAKER_01 (39:48):
That's a choice.
Nobody's make obviously thereare exceptions, but for the most
part, nobody's making you doanything.
And once you realize that youhave that power to feel however
way you wish about anyexperience, you literally change
your past and you startmanifesting a different um
(40:08):
present and future.
Yeah, like it just transcendsthat completely.
And suddenly you've justalchemized all these unhealed
parts of yourself from yourchildhood, and you're like, oh
my god, I'm literally not thesame person that would have made
those choices the year before.
And you're like, why do I keepchoosing the same person, etc.?
(40:28):
It's like because you weren'tpaying attention, you weren't
paying.
So we turned up the volume untilit was uncomfortable enough
because you said you didn't likeit.
Are you gonna stay true toyourself?
So spirit will turn that crap upand they will they'll make it as
uncomfortable as possible untilyou walk through fire to
alchemize and burn off the stuffthat isn't you.
SPEAKER_00 (40:50):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, what's your hot tip forpeople who are kind of they're
they're become aware, they'rethey want to do this work.
They want to either do it forthemselves or in a professional
sense.
Um, I would say for themselves.
Okay.
Let's take that one on because Ithink there's a lot of people, a
lot of our listeners have beenin the spiritual realm.
(41:12):
They're they might bepractitioners already, but
they're still struggling withtheir anxiety and with
depression, with weight of theworld, their empaths.
Yeah.
And to go, what is mine and whatis someone else's?
What's their hot tip?
SPEAKER_01 (41:26):
Yeah, I think for the people who like identify as
being an empath, um, I thinkit's important to not again, no
separation of self and not toput yourself above or below
anyone else.
So you are on equal footing.
So in the same way that youshould be, you know, forever
(41:46):
forgiving and compassionate andloving and understanding and for
everyone else in your life, youare equal to them.
Therefore, you must do that foryou as well.
So when you're giving in thatway, if any at any point it
makes you step away from beingable to equally give that to
yourself, then it you're notdoing it right.
(42:06):
That is not light work, that isnot the balance.
So um, that's for the empaths.
Um, that is just martyr, that'sjust being a martyr and not
blaming your external world forthe reason as to the way you
feel.
Decide how you want to feel andthen move towards the things
(42:27):
that feel the same.
And that will bring you tolike-minded people.
And I find neurodivergency is avery, very good example of this.
So, generally, people who areneurodivergent, these people who
are on the spectrum, ADHD,autism, etc., they all find each
other.
You're all resonating at thesame vibration, your nervous
systems are insane, and you'reex you're bringing in so much
(42:49):
information.
So I'm under the illusion, likelike the assumption that anyone
who's neurodivergent isautomatically, you know, a
psychic of some kind.
Yeah, you're just, you know,you're in both worlds.
You're just operating in thenon-physical and the physical.
And um, I really care about thephysical and the non-physical
(43:10):
and how they are balanced.
And I think that's where mostpeople go wrong.
They stay right in thenon-physical way too much, and
they don't look after theirphysical body, which is you
know, the yin and the yangbalance.
And that is the part that I careabout the brain, the biology.
These are not like sospirituality and science and
(43:33):
psychology, biology, um,philosophy are not mutually
exclusive.
They are all equal and all onething.
And it's just something that wedon't really fully understand
how they interrelate with oneanother because they are
separated.
Yeah, you know, and and part ofthat is like integrating these
(43:54):
like concepts, they've just gotdifferent names.
We can call it quantum theory,metaphysics, um, Reiki, whatever
you want to call it.
It's just a different name thatwe've given it, but it's all the
same energy, right?
Energy is energy, is energy.
I see it all exactly.
So for anybody who in Bozeman oranybody who is watching this
right now, if it's somethinglike I feel different and
(44:15):
separated and judged for it, andI have no community, I'm the
person for you.
I will accept you if you show upexactly as you are, and with
like, you know, an open heart,open mind, and willing to do the
work for yourself.
Not for me.
It's getting in there and going,I'm working hard and you know,
(44:37):
investing in myself to change.
And those are my clients.
Those are the people that I'mlike, oh, I noticed I did this
yesterday, and I think it'sbecause of this.
So I'm gonna do this.
And I'm like, I didn't tell youto do that.
Right.
But you just witnessed me andyou took it and you decided what
you wanted to do.
It thought that's that's theperson that is going to
(44:59):
transform their lives and thenhave the possibility to like
manifest and transform forothers as well.
And that's what gets me soexcited is people are like, why
am I doing this?
And how can I be a betterversion of myself?
SPEAKER_00 (45:15):
Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I love it.
So if someone wanted to workwith you, how would they get a
hold of you?
SPEAKER_01 (45:20):
So um I am working with the um Bozeman Spiritual
Society with the lovelyChristine now, and um, we do
lots of social gatherings.
We do have one on the 29th, sonot this Saturday, next
Saturday.
And um I think we're gonna havenot just myself doing some
demonstrations.
It is a great opportunity for umeveryone to get to know me
(45:42):
personally because I've onlybeen here for a short while.
The mentorship that I've beendoing.
Um, so this includes likebespoke what are your goals for
you personally and yourintuitive development, what are
the things that you want to getout of it?
And I will intuitively channelthe things that you need to hear
to get you there.
Um, and it won't always be, youknow, the same stuff for each
(46:05):
person.
And I will just give you a bunchof different modalities and I'll
give you as much information aspossible, and you get to cherry
pick the pieces where we overlapand it makes sense to you,
right?
So um, that is the person that Iam.
I am just like shining lights onthe things, and you get to
decide whether you like it.
And I also bring other peopletogether that makes sense and
(46:29):
have that overlap.
So it's to find community, it'sto find belonging, it is to find
the whole within yourself and toalso find whole with other
people.
And by doing that, we create thethird thing.
And what is more beautiful thancoming together and creating
something with somebody?
Um, and I do workshops, and soI've got the psychic school and
(46:53):
psychic tools, and that will bea couple of times a month at the
Bozeman Spiritual Society.
And um, this is where we gothrough all the different
modalities, we do the meditationwork, we do the foundational
work of energy work, whichfunnily enough is we start from
the ground up, we start with ourbodies, we go into our emotions,
(47:14):
we go up a little bit higher toour thoughts and feelings and
programs and relationships, thenwe go back further, we go to the
beliefs, and then we go up.
Once all that foundation isstable, that's where the ethical
comes in because you can go intolike a meditation group.
Meditation circles, I don'treally like calling it that,
(47:35):
because it's a circle, it'sclosed, it's separate, and it
can blow your brain before youhave built, you know, the
foundation, you know, thelinking circles that are
attached to each other.
You've created that, you know,learning.
So when you reach for it, youhave that fortitude to take like
(47:58):
channeling or a meditation thatkind of pushes you psychically
and mentally, emotionally,physically.
So you don't, you know, have togo to the doctor the next day
because you've got pain in yourback randomly.
So for me, it matters thatpeople are doing it safely.
(48:19):
Yeah.
And this is like a practitionthat doesn't really have that
much governance, right?
SPEAKER_00 (48:26):
Well, and I think that's the same thing in the
Reiki world.
There's not a lot of governance,there's not a lot of governance
in the shamanic world.
And this that was one of thefirst things I saw when I was
reading your bio is thisemphasis on ethics.
Yeah.
And, you know, I'm I'mconstantly also drawn to those
who have ethical standards andcan share about those and what
(48:46):
they mean to them because it'snot talked about enough.
SPEAKER_01 (48:50):
It's just all about like, oh, it's all about the
positivity and the light andwhatever, without actually
considering that the person infront of you might actually be
dealing with uh true scaryproblems.
And when people come to psychicsin particular, sometimes you
know what I was talking about,not having a very good sense of
self.
Right.
(49:10):
And externalizing your decisionsto a psychic and deciding that
everything that they say is yourdecisions.
That is a scary place to be whensomeone gives over their
autonomy and their sovereigntyto me.
And I don't want another psychicto ever do that to anybody,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (49:26):
Oh my goodness, right?
I think that I hear that sooften.
Well, I went to the psychic andshe told me this, and so now it
is my truth.
Yes, and it's like you we don'tknow everything, we're not, you
know, omnipotent gods, right?
SPEAKER_01 (49:41):
We're amazing and we're goddesses, but we don't
tell you what to do, we justexist, right?
And you can decide what you dowith that.
SPEAKER_00 (49:48):
Yeah, that's it.
You get in you get to feel intois this an alignment for me?
SPEAKER_01 (49:53):
This takes resonates and then and leave what it
doesn't because you and I arenot the same person, you are
not, but we have a crossover,and that is where we are the
same person.
SPEAKER_00 (50:03):
Yeah, yeah, yes, I love that.
Well, thank you so much forcoming on the show, Wisdom
Rising.
And know that if you want to geta hold of Lauren, all of her
contacts, the websites, theinformation is all gonna be in
the show notes, so you'll beable to find it there.
Yeah, and it was so great tohave you.
Thank you so much.
This was so much fun.
SPEAKER_01 (50:23):
And oh, I think you're amazing, Kristin.
Oh, like honestly, like when Ias soon as I met you, I'm like,
yes, yes, I am in the rightplace.
This is where I'm meant to be.
It all makes sense now, right?
SPEAKER_00 (50:34):
Well, the feeling was mutual.
It's like this girl has got tobe a part of Bozeman Spiritual
Society because I like her vibeand she's solid.
So lovely.
Thanks everyone for listening.
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Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the podcast of Moon
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Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Renee
and Chantel Ochoa as we dancebetween worlds of shamanism,
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Each week we illuminate yourpath to self-sourced wisdom and
attune you to the whispers ofwisdom rising from within.
(00:24):
Welcome to Wisdom Rising.
I am your host, Christine Renee,and we have a wonderful guest
on, Lauren Sitzma, who isjoining us as a medical
intuitive to share with us herjourney through fibromyalgia and
really understanding what it'slike to move through panic and
understand pain from ametaphysical point of view,
(00:46):
through parts integration,understanding the yin-yang of
energy, removing the idea thatseparation exists and really
taking ownership of yourinternal experience.
We also get into things like howdoes interacting with others and
energies coming together inpartnership expedite our growth
(01:11):
process.
So I hope that you are stickingaround for this episode.
It's a really interesting one.
I really enjoyed talking withLauren.
And know that if you would liketo know any more information
about working with Lauren, docheck out those show notes for
all of the links there.
And I hope you enjoy thisepisode.
(01:33):
Well, welcome back to WisdomRising.
I am here with Lauren Sitzma asour guest for the show today,
who is a psychic medium and amedical intuitive and teacher.
And we share space at theBozeman Spiritual Society.
And so I wanted to have her comeon.
I haven't really heard yourstory as of yet.
I know you're fairly new totown, and I have seen you as a
(01:56):
medical intuitive for my ownstuff.
And I was like, I just want toknow more about your story, what
brings you to where you aretoday, what you offer.
I want to know all of thethings.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
Well, first of all, thank you so much for inviting
me.
It is such an honor.
Um, Christine, I had the honorof being at one of your red tent
ceremonies, and it wasincredible.
And um it was at that point,like I knew like that was the
space that I needed to be in.
I'm like totally a person whereit's like a beautiful balance
(02:28):
between, you know, soft andhard, you know, boss lady as
well as we allow things to flowand creativity to happen within
structure.
Right.
So I really resonated with that.
So I'm like, yes, this is thecommunity that I've been looking
for.
Um, as you can tell, accent, Icome from Australia.
Um, some people say New Zealandor England, it doesn't really
(02:50):
matter, it's fine.
But um uh coming to Bozeman, uh,we were originally in Billings
and we moved to Bozeman, and itfelt like it was like the
perfect space for uh my nowhusband.
Um, he was in Australia in theend of 2023, and we met and we
met of all things uh beachvolleyball because why not?
(03:13):
It's Australia.
Absolutely love that.
How else do you meet?
Um, so we uh really hit it off,and it was beautiful and scary.
Beautiful and scary because wehad to do long distance, he had
to come back here, I had to goback and forth and you know,
disassemble life in Australia,reassemble life here, go through
(03:34):
all those stresses of unknownsand not knowing um how things
were necessarily going tounfold, but also having to hold
that um all the options thatwere coming at us at the same
time.
So it was beautiful and amazingand growing, and uh we ended up
(03:55):
getting married and because wewe decided we took the plunge.
We um uh we were in Billings forabout a year for his work, and
we traveled around.
So I've been all around Montana,which is actually pretty
amazing, like it's beautiful,and being able to see all of the
nooks and crannies on the eastand west side and up to
(04:17):
Whitefish and up to Canada.
SPEAKER_00 (04:20):
So congratulations on the marriage and that you're
here and settled in.
And I feel like uh you we I metyou at one of our social
potlucks and you were lookingfor a spiritual community, and I
was like, you have found theright space.
Like out of everywhere I'vetraveled in Montana, you're not
gonna find it quite likeBozeman.
(04:42):
And we're so blessed that wehave the community here, and and
you just dove right in.
And I yeah about you, that youwere there's no hesitancy.
There you're like you very, veryclearly you know who you are,
you know what your passion is,you know what your gifts are,
you know how to share them, andyou just showed up fully.
SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
So yay for that.
I wouldn't do it if I wasn'tdoing it all in, like other it's
it's all or nothing for me whenit comes to um anything in my
life, really.
Uh I very much choose thechoices that I make.
And um it leads into kind of thework that I do as well, um, like
with other people.
Um, and I think like at thatpotluck, I was looking for one
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community, two like-mindedpeople.
And I think the thing that Inoticed like most when I first
got here, because I wasn't inBozeman to start with, was that
separation.
There's a lot of separation fromeach other and from self.
So um that's something that Ithink is more palpable here in
the States versus Australia,even though it definitely is
(05:47):
there as well.
And there is separation betweenlots of different things.
And um, for me, as somebody whosees things for what they are,
for exactly what they are, um Ican't help but you know be
exactly what I am.
Um and people can like it orlump it.
(06:08):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (06:09):
So yeah.
So tell me a little bit aboutyour path, your journey, what
your what your share is.
SPEAKER_01 (06:17):
Like I want to kind of dive into who Lauren is and
and what I bring to the BoozeSociety.
Yeah.
So um I think that uh for me andmy journey, and it starts like
from very young age.
Um, I have been um practicing asa professional psychic medium
for the last maybe 10, 11 years.
(06:39):
And uh during that journey, it'sbeen a huge mix of um, you know,
working on my own psychologicaland emotional stuff because like
when it comes to spiritual work,it is not just about the you
know, that stuff, it's aboutthis stuff, um, and being able
to get that balance right.
And so for me, it was likeintegrating all of the things
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that had happened in my life,making sense of it, uh getting
peace with it, alchemizing that,integrating it.
And then as I um went on,because like for me, I had a
chronic illness and um therewere not many options.
It was fibromyalgia for anybodywho suffers from an autoimmune
disease.
Yeah, it's one of thoseambiguous, you know, broad-term
(07:25):
diseases that doesn't havereally a clear place, but it
usually comes with trauma, or itusually comes from your nervous
system and doesn't it kind ofjump around?
SPEAKER_00 (07:33):
Everyone I've worked with with fibromyalgia, it's
been like it's in my shoulder,now it's in my stomach, now it's
in my system all overeverywhere, everywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (07:43):
And for me, like it's been a mixture of you know,
uh in integrating like just likeuh everybody of all shapes and
siders, genders and um people onthe spectrum is a really
important thing to me.
So the queer community is veryimportant to me.
Um, and just full acceptance.
And I think the most importantthing is that my external world
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needs to match my internalworld, and I want other people
to feel the same.
Um, and that's the work that Ido to recognize the parts of
ourselves that um are not beingfully uh recognized, understood,
or you know, accepted into, youknow, the whole.
And uh I started to notice thatwith the medical intuitivence
(08:29):
coming in, I'm a person thatreally understands um pain and
the complex nuances of pain andthe interplay of different
emotions and feelings and beingable to articulate and express
them and validate them for otherpeople when they didn't know how
to speak for themselves.
SPEAKER_00 (08:50):
Yeah, let's talk about that a little bit because
I'm I'm curious about painbecause so many are experiencing
chronic pain.
Yeah.
And, you know, there'softentimes this psychological
piece to it.
Yeah.
And also, you know, where dopeople get stuck in the cycle of
pain or victimhood?
(09:11):
And how do you break out ofthat?
I'd let love to know what yourexperiences personally and and
with your clientele.
Like what do you think aboutpain?
SPEAKER_01 (09:20):
So for me, you know, um, I for about 25 years, I was
experiencing pain to a certainextent.
And for me, it was about um alot of pain that can be
manifested, you know, starts inour nervous system.
And the nervous system is likethe physical tree, let's say,
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that stretches out amongst therest of our body.
And the thoughts that we havesend information to those parts
of our body, and depending onwhat those thoughts are, your
body's going to receive it andit will manifest it.
So for people who fixate oncertain pain or types of pain or
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um the energy of that, so anenergy of lack could be no
energy whatsoever in all theways and forms in which you
notice that you do not haveenergy within your body, within
your money, within yourrelationships, right?
No give or take, etc.
And for me, um, as apractitioner, I was able to
identify the thing that usuallylike a belief system that they
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are got on repeat in their head,which is like, you know, a
protection mechanism that thebody does to stop us from dying.
So I recognize those beliefsystems that were put there, not
by themselves, but by fromsomething outside of themselves.
SPEAKER_02 (10:44):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:44):
And I'm that's sort of leading towards um, for me in
my journey, what brought me toAmerica specifically, and how
that has led to me being able tointegrate all parts of myself to
accept them as, you know, thereis no good or bad here.
So if we think about the yin andyang, black can be good, black
(11:07):
can be bad, white can be good,why can be bad.
It depends on the context and umwhat it is playing off, just
like yin and yang.
SPEAKER_00 (11:14):
Yeah, I find this conversation really interesting.
And I feel like it's coming upmore and more as you know, light
workers have shifted away fromhealing language, yeah, because
it's not necessarily aboutremoving the pain or removing
the brokenness, it's aboutintegrating the whole self, it's
all of it.
SPEAKER_01 (11:32):
All is good as long as it is.
Yeah.
As long as we recognize that'swhere we are and that's where
we're at.
And for me as a practitioner,what's really important for me
to be able to read people is Iknow where I am, I know what my
body feels like, I know what mypain feels like, what my
particles feel like.
So if anything drops in that'sdifferent, it's something else
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or somebody else.
And I know that for sure.
So yeah, like I help peoplepiece together the parts of
themselves that they think arebroken and show them that it's
all beautiful, it all hasmeaning and it all is it's all
on the same playing field.
SPEAKER_00 (12:16):
Right.
I think culturally we push awayso much on pain.
You know, our medical system isset up to say pain is bad.
Yes.
Right.
And so we're we're constantlyprogrammed to do whatever you
can to get rid of the pain.
The pain is the bad thing.
SPEAKER_01 (12:34):
Yes.
And my partner was evenmentioning this about like the
ideology of America is to focuson the bad rather than identify
where the good is and put ourfocus into that.
And it's almost as if everybodyis looking at each other and how
are you different from me?
And that creates separation.
And in doing so, we are alsoseparating from ourselves
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because there's parts ofourselves that we are also
rejecting by doing that.
So everybody is separate andnobody is whole.
SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
Oh my gosh.
Like, yeah, yes, that makessense.
Yeah, right.
So recognizing when we can shiftand pivot over to recognizing
the areas that are going well.
Yes.
How does that how does thatreflect it in your life with the
actual pain?
Do you notice that the sufferingfeels less?
SPEAKER_01 (13:25):
So initially it was worse.
It got so worse.
And for me, I have beenpreparing, and I think the most
important thing that I conveywith any and any single client
is are you willing toobjectively and introspectively
take ownership over what isyours?
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It may be 1% and it's 99% them,but you cannot control anything
external to you, nor should you.
So you can only control you, howyou feel, and where you shift.
So when you are interacting withsomebody, if they make you step
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away from yourself, you let themknow and you identify it, you
say that this is what I need,this is where I am.
And either we step into the ringtogether and share space and
create something more than thesum of our parts, which um kind
of like, you know, with thesewhere you have two circles that
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interlock the space in between,that is the addition that we can
make when we merge with someone,you know?
And the space in between iswhere you share um common
values, common understanding,common interests, but you're
100% yourself in that overlap,right?
(14:50):
You don't step away fromyourself, you don't merge with
each other in order to becomeone another because you lose
yourself.
So um, this is where shadow workcomes into it, or dark night of
the soul, if people have, youknow, understand that concept.
It's where we're able to look atdark and light.
Think the hermit going through,you know, his little cabin has
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that little piece of light.
It's like, I'm not sure whereI'm going, I don't know how this
is going to turn out, but I knowwho I am, and I am using this to
guide me on where I need to go.
And you're able to see yourshadow self, the victim, the the
(15:34):
one that's been hurt, the onethat's holding on to everything,
the belief systems that youdeserve it, that you're gonna
die, all of those things.
Right.
And you hold its hand and yougo, you be exactly what you are,
and I'm going to be exactly whatI am: dark, light, male, female,
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hard, soft, whatever you want tocall it, it's all the same in
the end.
But it is two sides of the samecoin of love, and on their own,
they are unable to shift fromwhere they are.
But if they hold hands and theystay exactly as they are, they
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can uh cross the bridge or theymake a hole.
SPEAKER_00 (16:22):
It's interesting because I feel like also
oftentimes in the spiritualcommunities, it's so much like
you're gonna do it on your own.
This is completely aself-journey.
And I feel like once again, likethe the culture of the spiritual
community is pivoting andshifting and going, look at how
you can recognize yourselfwithin partnership with someone
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else.
Yes, and recognize where theoverlap is and how you are
mirroring each other and whatwhere the shadows are to
alchemize those parts.
That's right.
SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
Because love and light, whatever you want to call
it, the light aspect ofourselves cannot move from where
it is if it sits where it is,it's in peace.
It can only be what it is.
So light on its own is justpeace, but it is stagnant, it's
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stasis, it doesn't move, itdoesn't create anything, it
doesn't manifest anything.
What do you do with this light?
It's just for you, and you can'tshare it, right?
So bring along fear, bring alongshadow, bring it like it's it's
down here, right?
And then you interact together.
And if you bring love to thatand fear trusts you, and you
(17:45):
trust fear to trust you, it's abalance, right?
Suddenly you have createdhealing.
SPEAKER_00 (17:53):
Right.
It's kind of like finding thosegrowth edges that you can't find
on your own.
Right.
I remember after I got adivorce, I spent a year alone.
Yeah, like intentionally, like,okay, I'm gonna, and then by the
end of the year, it's like, allright, I'm healed.
Yeah, yeah, I'm all good untilyou're in a relationship, and
then shit hits the peon.
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
And right, it brings up the stuff that you could not
have created on your own becauseit's in the crossover that you
create and manifest or co-createwith somebody the other thing.
It's the, you know, yin andyang, and then the third, the
relationship, the triad.
SPEAKER_00 (18:31):
Yeah.
That you create.
It's fascinating.
And I love this work because,you know, I think I've built my
a lot of my business and myclasses around individual work.
Yeah.
And it can only go so far.
Right.
And now that I'm doing a littlebit of tantra classes and
intimacy work, it's like, ohyes, and notice.
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Oh, yes, and notice when we cometogether, even if you're not in
a romantic partnership, butyou're still doing partnered
work, any relationship, anyrelationship, it's like that's
where things get juicy.
SPEAKER_01 (19:06):
It's where, because the thing is, I kind of see it
as.
So my partner and I do have likereally clear crossover.
We both like volleyball, we bothenjoy DD, we both enjoy board
games.
But there's certain, you know,board games or video games that
I don't really necessarilyresonate with, right?
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But in the crossover, I am ableto mix with him and he is
touching what um what he isinterested in.
So suddenly something that Iwould not have been interested
in on my own, I am interestedthrough going through to the
path of where of leastresistance to where it is, and
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it's easier to reach for becauseI'm sharing it with somebody
else through their love andpassion for it.
And I find what is beautifulwithin that.
That still keeps me who I am.
I'm not gonna step out of myselfto step into their box, you
know, but I am going to go.
These are the aspects of whatyou're giving me that is 100%
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me.
And that is where I willparticipate in that area.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (20:17):
And I think that's where you have to first kind of
know what your boundaries are.
SPEAKER_01 (20:22):
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00 (20:23):
You have to know who you are, who you identify as,
and get have that clarity ofthese are my passions, these are
my interests, this is whatlights me the fuck up.
Yeah.
So that you know when you'rerubbing up against someone else
and going, they're what it feelslike dragging you along to
events and things going, thisisn't actually something I want
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to participate in.
Yeah.
This isn't what I want to do,and why am I doing it?
Because I'm trying to fill theirvoid.
The void, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (20:56):
So the void and the abyss is something that um has
been brought up a lot.
And it's something that comes, Ididn't know this at the time,
but like I think it's inKabbalah within the tree of
life, and you know, yin andyang.
The I'm very into quantumphysics myself, so matter and
antimatter, but both are matter,both are not matter.
So it's kind of one of thosethings where um just because
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it's a zero doesn't mean it'sdoesn't have a value.
So um for me, I was faced withevery single thing that was
manifested in my life about whoI am and the pain that came
along with that, that I washolding in my nervous system.
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And I had a decision to make,like after going through all of
that stress and particularlylike medical trauma and people
not believing me, and you know,me showing up as who I am and
telling the truth and not beingseen for what that is, because
people were just projectingtheir own stuff onto me rather
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than seeing me as a separateentity, right?
So, and this is a common, youknow, thing that happens to a
lot of uh everybody, not justwomen.
And um for me, it's somethingthat really hits home for me,
that justice that um nobodydeserves that, um, being able to
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be the voice, to be able to bethe strength, etc.
And I'd learnt to savagely lovemyself, but this was the time
where it's like, well, do youwant to not just savagely love
yourself, but would you like tointegrate all the dark parts of
you?
And would you like to alchemizeand not just be black and white
and dark and light?
(22:44):
Would you like to just be all?
Right, yeah, the whole.
Um, and uh I had a surgery whileI was over here and it activated
my nervous system to a million,and I can only describe the
situation is it turned my I wasalready at like you know eight
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out of ten pain or every day.
It turned it into what I canonly describe as exquisite or
divine pain.
Where it was like I had to stepout of my physical body and I no
longer could see, hear, or talk.
And it was like full lookinginto the abyss, seeing the
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aspect of myself that washolding all of that, you know,
darkness as being mine, myfault.
I'm the black dot on the whitescreen, right?
Or I'm the white victim that isum stuck with like all this
darkness around me, drowning init, you know.
(23:49):
So I decided I'm going to allowyou to exist exactly as you are,
because the other part of me hadfought so hard for like, you
know, its existence that it'slike it's okay.
I got you.
Trust me that I got you.
I know that I can trust you totrust me, and that's all I need
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to do.
I'm not gonna step away fromlight side of me, I guess, the
light aspect of me that was likeI I am healthy, I I do want to
live, I want this so badly thatI am going to do both.
I'm gonna fight for the both ofus, just trust me, and that's
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what I did.
I uh told my guides or thepowers that be, the void, the
abyss, and I said, give it to menow.
And it was like holding handswith myself and realizing that
(24:57):
by totally trusting my entirebeing, I was able to transcend
my physical body.
SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
It has a lot of feelings of surrender in it,
right?
But there it's not justsurrender, it's yeah, it's
actually so much more than that.
Because not only are you sayingI want to embrace all of who I
am, be what I am, be what I am,exactly as I am.
There is nothing fixed, there'snothing broken.
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There's nothing broken here.
SPEAKER_01 (25:31):
I just am.
It just is, and just like beingat peace with like being able to
be with yourself and be atpeace, and you know how I said
about like two interactions thatyou yourself can actually create
that with aspects of yourself,but being with a person and you
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coming together, you create thethird thing, right?
Yeah, so how does that look inyour relationship?
So for me and my partner, it wasreally interesting because he
he's very psychic himself, likehe's um got so many of those um
aspects that I have that he'scoming from a place of I guess
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the void, like uh it's like it'sa representation of uh society
in general, not just in America,but the world.
And it's like this blindness,and I'm gonna say it's
unawareness.
He was just not aware of who heis and who everyone else is, and
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um, to be aware of when we'restepping outside of ourselves
and doing things because it'swhat we've been told to do
rather than what it's what wewant to do.
SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
Right.
It almost is as if this is theway the world is kind of waking
up right now, is recognizingthat maybe there isn't anything
actually wrong with us.
SPEAKER_02 (27:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:09):
And as we are balancing up against other
people's energy of theirawareness of where who they are,
whether they're still kind ofsleeping and not fully
integrated yet, yeah.
And projections and mirroringand all those things versus I
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know who I am, I know what myparts are.
I'm trying I'm trying to acceptand love all of who I am.
Yeah.
And all of the pain and this,you know, what I think that's
kind of a projection in ofitself, what suffering is,
right?
I uh it's integrate or separate.
SPEAKER_01 (27:48):
Those are your choices.
Integrate it or you can get outof here.
Like, I will not tolerate anyonewho comes into my life, says
that they're one thing, butenergetically they're showing up
in a different way.
And I'm like, it's okay to beyou, it's okay to want what you
want, it's okay to want therelationship that you want.
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Any rule goes, and everyone getsto exist exactly as they are,
even if I don't agree, justdon't stop me from being the
exact thing I want to be,either.
So if somebody tries to pull meout of who I am to come be in
their box or be in their circleor integrate with them, when I'm
like, no, that's not who I am.
(28:32):
You're you're making me step outof myself.
That is separation and that ispain.
SPEAKER_00 (28:38):
I I love that.
I think that's where we'rewaking up to, right?
And so often we have thesestories of people pleasing,
these stories of like, I'm infight or flight, my nervous
system is dysregulated, I knowhow to font, make sure
everything else is happy.
Why are you doing that?
SPEAKER_01 (28:55):
A little bit take ownership over the stuff that
you have control over.
And I think the thing that mightit it it frustrates me a little
bit, but not so much unlesspeople give me crap about it.
Um, so if I bring it up and theygive me resistance, I'm like,
well, you you came for me forhelp, so I'm gonna push you a
little harder.
So if somebody says to me, thisperson's doing this and this
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person's doing that, and thisand that, and whatever, and I'm
like, I'm sorry, are we incontrol of it the environment
around us and the people?
Are they in control of youractions?
No, we're in control ofourselves and we get to decide
who we are and whether what thebehavior you're seeing is what
you're willing to put up with.
And if you decide that that'snot what you want, if you don't
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shift, you are going to causeyourself emotional pain, which
is going to translate intoeventually tummy pain, which
eventually turns into IBS, whicheventually turns into all of
these like escalating things.
And this is not to, you know,discount true things that are
like maladens.
(30:00):
Adaptins in the body, and abroken leg is a broken leg, but
it does make us aware of wherewe're walking.
SPEAKER_00 (30:07):
Yes, you know, right, right.
And one of my favorite freephrases is I'm not available for
that.
You know, like it's just I don'thave the energy for that today.
That's not in my that's not I'mjust not that doesn't work for
me.
Right.
You know, and I think if peoplecould just start saying, like,
I'm worthy to have my ownboundaries.
(30:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:29):
You get to be what you want to be, yeah.
You know, and I think uh yeah,the frustration starts to be is
like, and where people are like,why are they behaving like this?
Why are they doing this?
Why aren't they like me?
And I'm like, Well, like, sothen go be with somebody who's
like you and stop forcingyourself on someone who is not
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willing to integrate with youand to build something bigger
than what they are and shift foryou, right?
And I think that's that growthfactor, yeah.
Or shift for themselves, likeprobably a better thing, as in
like they show up as them, youshow up as you, you look at each
other and you go, hmm, do I wantto step into the ring with you?
(31:12):
No, I don't want to.
So I'm going to be veryrespectful and I'm gonna step
away from you rather thanwasting both of our times.
SPEAKER_00 (31:21):
Yeah.
And and letting it be okay.
Yeah.
Like I think there's so much ofa cultural like thing of like we
have to be nice and accepteveryone and play nice, and
there's a do things we don'twant to do for people pleasing
or making other people feelbetter, but ultimately that
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hurts people.
SPEAKER_01 (31:43):
If you care about them, if you're not showing up
and telling them who you are,you're hurting them on some
level because you're indicatingthat their behavior is okay, and
them showing up as them is okay.
And you underneath it, you'reresenting it and you're gonna
deflect that because you'vestepped away from yourself and
you're projecting your own painon them, and they are gonna feel
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that you don't like them, andthen they're gonna feel that
they don't like themselves.
Yeah.
So, how are you feeling thesedays?
I like now that we're kind oflike fully settled and we've got
like um passport and green cardall sorted, it feels like the
moment that I understood why I'mhere, why this happened, that if
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I was, I would have been fine bymyself, you know, I would have
been okay.
I would have had a pretty happylife, but I would have been in
stasis.
And I wouldn't have been ableto, you know, reach further.
And I what I realized like mypartner is for me, is that he is
like the the hermit, somebodywho didn't necessarily see the
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things that I can.
And I am able to shine light onthe things that need to be
brought attention to, and he candecide whether he moves towards
it or not.
And he's the one that gets tolike shift me.
He gets to be that masculine,right?
The direction.
I get to decide like the oh theoverall, like what's the meaning
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of all and to support createsacred space.
But he gets to pick me up andtake me there and look after my
body while I'm channeling, youknow?
Like he takes care of home whenI can soar to anywhere.
Yeah, that's beautiful.
Yeah, I'm really happy for you.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, yeah, it's it's amazing.
(33:34):
And I think like the more I amme, the more he becomes himself,
and the the like more amazingthings we get to like create
with each other.
I love that piece.
SPEAKER_00 (33:45):
Ugh.
Because I think that's where youknow true supportive romantic
relationships, that's that's tome the aftermore.
Yeah, you're bringing not onlyout the best in each other, but
you're also bringing growing andstretching and that needs your
attention.
SPEAKER_01 (34:01):
And it goes, do you like this still?
Does this work for you still?
Are you willing to face it andthen integrate it and go beyond
it to create the third thingthat's bigger than the fear and
the love together to createhealing and growth?
So, and and you know, that'sthat's true alchemy, and that's
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what I'm all about.
And I think for for people whocome to me, if you I mostly do
um like teaching other buddingpsychics or people who are
wanting to be light workersthemselves, it matters so much
to me that it comes from such agenuine and ethical place.
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And I think that's the one thingthat's missing in Australia as
well as here.
Like I'm I'm running like apsychic school, yeah, like a
structured way that really helpssupport people like myself who
didn't really know what to dowith the the gifts that they
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had, or um, what do you do?
Where do you start?
What what skill set?
And for me, like I think I'vegotten myself to a place where I
can see from person to personbecause there is no, you know,
one size fits all when it comesto your own development.
And again, that's steppingoutside of self.
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So for me, it's like, how can Ihelp you integrate all of your
parts so you truly know who youare?
And once you know that, then thedecisions of your direction just
flows out of you, and that'swhat I do.
Like, I want your external worldto match the true version of
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your internal world so you canhelp transform other people,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (35:51):
It's like your alignment helps replicate it for
others.
SPEAKER_01 (35:54):
Yes.
For them to have a standingpoint to go, do I want to step
away from this?
Do I want to go towards this?
Do I want to block this?
Yeah.
And that's it.
I just stay exactly where I am,holding high vibration, and you
get to decide what you do withthat.
I will not make you do anything.
It's it's all you.
SPEAKER_00 (36:13):
I just provide the sacred space.
Well, I think this is such areally interesting conversation
when it comes to psychic giftsspecifically.
Like you can't waver in who youare while you channel.
That's right, right?
And so the more one can come toa place of I know who I am,
there's clarity there, yes, thenit's so much easier to bring
that channeled wisdom energy.
SPEAKER_01 (36:35):
It's neutral, it's like the the quickest way from
point A to point B, a straightline.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (36:41):
But when you have an individual who's wavering and
trying to pick up theirspiritual, that's right.
It's kind of like coming in.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:47):
And of and when fear comes in as well, because like a
lot of like new um people whoare like, oh, I I can see people
who have passed, but I'm scared,and I'm just like, hey, like
there is no scary in this, itall is.
So, like, what where's this fearcoming from?
It's not externally.
Who told you that?
Where did that come from?
(37:08):
And that's what I get to like,where is the program that you
picked up in this life that'skeeping you from being happy?
And how can you fix it?
Type of thing.
SPEAKER_00 (37:19):
Yeah, it was really interesting.
Yesterday I had a client and weit was um a student who was
doing private shamanic lessonswith me, and we got on the topic
of ghosts and other entities andall these things.
And she's like, at the end ofher little lesson, she was like,
You seem really comfortable andconfident.
Like, can other people learn howto do this?
I'm like, absolutely, yeah, butyou have to, it was that fear
(37:43):
factor, right?
SPEAKER_01 (37:44):
You know, like it's projected onto us the bad
aspects of it.
Anything different is scary, andso instead of like facing that
internally, we're gonna make ityour fault.
SPEAKER_00 (37:55):
Right.
And I think the more you go intothat shadow work, the so much
easier to look in the darkcloset.
Yeah.
I mean, like physically openinga closet where you're like,
there's some heavy negativeenergy in here.
Yeah, it's no longer scarybecause you've already looked at
your own.
SPEAKER_01 (38:11):
Exactly.
So, yeah, for for me, it's justabout people taking ownership
over their own stuff thatbelongs to them and deciding
whether they want to stay wherethey are, yeah, or do they want
to shift because it's who theywant to be, not because
someone's making them change,not because you're gonna be
(38:31):
forced to change or you thinkyou should, but because you know
that's closer or you'rerecalibrating to who you are.
And when people are in chaos,like it's like all these crazy
things are happening to me.
I'm like, wonderful.
That's that's great awarenessthat you're not where you're
meant to be.
Are you going to shift until itfeels like you when you move
(38:52):
towards yourself and yourboundaries and where you know
your world is?
And once you feel that, youdon't even need to make
decisions.
You're just on it.
It's you're there, right alreadyconnected with the version of
yourself energetically, because,like, you know, in the grand
scheme of things, we are allenergy and in the end, and we're
(39:13):
just lining up with the versionof ourselves that already has
the thing that we want.
So why we may as well enjoy itemotionally now, and then the
physical stuff will catch up.
SPEAKER_00 (39:23):
Well, it comes back to this sovereignty, free
agency, autonomy, right?
When we have those things, yes,and we are so solid in that,
yeah, then that's where the flowcomes.
I have the right to choose, andso do you, and that's okay.
So right, I'm like, I'm like, ohlike repeating that, right?
Like it's when you have thefreedom to choose, it's you need
(39:46):
to recognize you have thefreedom to choose.
SPEAKER_01 (39:48):
That's a choice.
Nobody's make obviously thereare exceptions, but for the most
part, nobody's making you doanything.
And once you realize that youhave that power to feel however
way you wish about anyexperience, you literally change
your past and you startmanifesting a different um
(40:08):
present and future.
Yeah, like it just transcendsthat completely.
And suddenly you've justalchemized all these unhealed
parts of yourself from yourchildhood, and you're like, oh
my god, I'm literally not thesame person that would have made
those choices the year before.
And you're like, why do I keepchoosing the same person, etc.?
(40:28):
It's like because you weren'tpaying attention, you weren't
paying.
So we turned up the volume untilit was uncomfortable enough
because you said you didn't likeit.
Are you gonna stay true toyourself?
So spirit will turn that crap upand they will they'll make it as
uncomfortable as possible untilyou walk through fire to
alchemize and burn off the stuffthat isn't you.
SPEAKER_00 (40:50):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, what's your hot tip forpeople who are kind of they're
they're become aware, they'rethey want to do this work.
They want to either do it forthemselves or in a professional
sense.
Um, I would say for themselves.
Okay.
Let's take that one on because Ithink there's a lot of people, a
lot of our listeners have beenin the spiritual realm.
(41:12):
They're they might bepractitioners already, but
they're still struggling withtheir anxiety and with
depression, with weight of theworld, their empaths.
Yeah.
And to go, what is mine and whatis someone else's?
What's their hot tip?
SPEAKER_01 (41:26):
Yeah, I think for the people who like identify as
being an empath, um, I thinkit's important to not again, no
separation of self and not toput yourself above or below
anyone else.
So you are on equal footing.
So in the same way that youshould be, you know, forever
(41:46):
forgiving and compassionate andloving and understanding and for
everyone else in your life, youare equal to them.
Therefore, you must do that foryou as well.
So when you're giving in thatway, if any at any point it
makes you step away from beingable to equally give that to
yourself, then it you're notdoing it right.
(42:06):
That is not light work, that isnot the balance.
So um, that's for the empaths.
Um, that is just martyr, that'sjust being a martyr and not
blaming your external world forthe reason as to the way you
feel.
Decide how you want to feel andthen move towards the things
(42:27):
that feel the same.
And that will bring you tolike-minded people.
And I find neurodivergency is avery, very good example of this.
So, generally, people who areneurodivergent, these people who
are on the spectrum, ADHD,autism, etc., they all find each
other.
You're all resonating at thesame vibration, your nervous
systems are insane, and you'reex you're bringing in so much
(42:49):
information.
So I'm under the illusion, likelike the assumption that anyone
who's neurodivergent isautomatically, you know, a
psychic of some kind.
Yeah, you're just, you know,you're in both worlds.
You're just operating in thenon-physical and the physical.
And um, I really care about thephysical and the non-physical
(43:10):
and how they are balanced.
And I think that's where mostpeople go wrong.
They stay right in thenon-physical way too much, and
they don't look after theirphysical body, which is you
know, the yin and the yangbalance.
And that is the part that I careabout the brain, the biology.
These are not like sospirituality and science and
(43:33):
psychology, biology, um,philosophy are not mutually
exclusive.
They are all equal and all onething.
And it's just something that wedon't really fully understand
how they interrelate with oneanother because they are
separated.
Yeah, you know, and and part ofthat is like integrating these
(43:54):
like concepts, they've just gotdifferent names.
We can call it quantum theory,metaphysics, um, Reiki, whatever
you want to call it.
It's just a different name thatwe've given it, but it's all the
same energy, right?
Energy is energy, is energy.
I see it all exactly.
So for anybody who in Bozeman oranybody who is watching this
right now, if it's somethinglike I feel different and
(44:15):
separated and judged for it, andI have no community, I'm the
person for you.
I will accept you if you show upexactly as you are, and with
like, you know, an open heart,open mind, and willing to do the
work for yourself.
Not for me.
It's getting in there and going,I'm working hard and you know,
(44:37):
investing in myself to change.
And those are my clients.
Those are the people that I'mlike, oh, I noticed I did this
yesterday, and I think it'sbecause of this.
So I'm gonna do this.
And I'm like, I didn't tell youto do that.
Right.
But you just witnessed me andyou took it and you decided what
you wanted to do.
It thought that's that's theperson that is going to
(44:59):
transform their lives and thenhave the possibility to like
manifest and transform forothers as well.
And that's what gets me soexcited is people are like, why
am I doing this?
And how can I be a betterversion of myself?
SPEAKER_00 (45:15):
Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I love it.
So if someone wanted to workwith you, how would they get a
hold of you?
SPEAKER_01 (45:20):
So um I am working with the um Bozeman Spiritual
Society with the lovelyChristine now, and um, we do
lots of social gatherings.
We do have one on the 29th, sonot this Saturday, next
Saturday.
And um I think we're gonna havenot just myself doing some
demonstrations.
It is a great opportunity for umeveryone to get to know me
(45:42):
personally because I've onlybeen here for a short while.
The mentorship that I've beendoing.
Um, so this includes likebespoke what are your goals for
you personally and yourintuitive development, what are
the things that you want to getout of it?
And I will intuitively channelthe things that you need to hear
to get you there.
Um, and it won't always be, youknow, the same stuff for each
(46:05):
person.
And I will just give you a bunchof different modalities and I'll
give you as much information aspossible, and you get to cherry
pick the pieces where we overlapand it makes sense to you,
right?
So um, that is the person that Iam.
I am just like shining lights onthe things, and you get to
decide whether you like it.
And I also bring other peopletogether that makes sense and
(46:29):
have that overlap.
So it's to find community, it'sto find belonging, it is to find
the whole within yourself and toalso find whole with other
people.
And by doing that, we create thethird thing.
And what is more beautiful thancoming together and creating
something with somebody?
Um, and I do workshops, and soI've got the psychic school and
(46:53):
psychic tools, and that will bea couple of times a month at the
Bozeman Spiritual Society.
And um, this is where we gothrough all the different
modalities, we do the meditationwork, we do the foundational
work of energy work, whichfunnily enough is we start from
the ground up, we start with ourbodies, we go into our emotions,
(47:14):
we go up a little bit higher toour thoughts and feelings and
programs and relationships, thenwe go back further, we go to the
beliefs, and then we go up.
Once all that foundation isstable, that's where the ethical
comes in because you can go intolike a meditation group.
Meditation circles, I don'treally like calling it that,
(47:35):
because it's a circle, it'sclosed, it's separate, and it
can blow your brain before youhave built, you know, the
foundation, you know, thelinking circles that are
attached to each other.
You've created that, you know,learning.
So when you reach for it, youhave that fortitude to take like
(47:58):
channeling or a meditation thatkind of pushes you psychically
and mentally, emotionally,physically.
So you don't, you know, have togo to the doctor the next day
because you've got pain in yourback randomly.
So for me, it matters thatpeople are doing it safely.
(48:19):
Yeah.
And this is like a practitionthat doesn't really have that
much governance, right?
SPEAKER_00 (48:26):
Well, and I think that's the same thing in the
Reiki world.
There's not a lot of governance,there's not a lot of governance
in the shamanic world.
And this that was one of thefirst things I saw when I was
reading your bio is thisemphasis on ethics.
Yeah.
And, you know, I'm I'mconstantly also drawn to those
who have ethical standards andcan share about those and what
(48:46):
they mean to them because it'snot talked about enough.
SPEAKER_01 (48:50):
It's just all about like, oh, it's all about the
positivity and the light andwhatever, without actually
considering that the person infront of you might actually be
dealing with uh true scaryproblems.
And when people come to psychicsin particular, sometimes you
know what I was talking about,not having a very good sense of
self.
Right.
(49:10):
And externalizing your decisionsto a psychic and deciding that
everything that they say is yourdecisions.
That is a scary place to be whensomeone gives over their
autonomy and their sovereigntyto me.
And I don't want another psychicto ever do that to anybody,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (49:26):
Oh my goodness, right?
I think that I hear that sooften.
Well, I went to the psychic andshe told me this, and so now it
is my truth.
Yes, and it's like you we don'tknow everything, we're not, you
know, omnipotent gods, right?
SPEAKER_01 (49:41):
We're amazing and we're goddesses, but we don't
tell you what to do, we justexist, right?
And you can decide what you dowith that.
SPEAKER_00 (49:48):
Yeah, that's it.
You get in you get to feel intois this an alignment for me?
SPEAKER_01 (49:53):
This takes resonates and then and leave what it
doesn't because you and I arenot the same person, you are
not, but we have a crossover,and that is where we are the
same person.
SPEAKER_00 (50:03):
Yeah, yeah, yes, I love that.
Well, thank you so much forcoming on the show, Wisdom
Rising.
And know that if you want to geta hold of Lauren, all of her
contacts, the websites, theinformation is all gonna be in
the show notes, so you'll beable to find it there.
Yeah, and it was so great tohave you.
Thank you so much.
This was so much fun.
SPEAKER_01 (50:23):
And oh, I think you're amazing, Kristin.
Oh, like honestly, like when Ias soon as I met you, I'm like,
yes, yes, I am in the rightplace.
This is where I'm meant to be.
It all makes sense now, right?
SPEAKER_00 (50:34):
Well, the feeling was mutual.
It's like this girl has got tobe a part of Bozeman Spiritual
Society because I like her vibeand she's solid.
So lovely.
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