June 16, 2025 • 49 mins
What happens when sacred energy meets sexuality? In today's episode, Christine shares about one of her passion topics as she unpacks the ethical boundaries of Reiki practice while exploring its untapped potential for sexual healing and pleasure. Note: This episode comes with a trigger warning for sexuality and sexual assault.
In this conversation, Christine opens a door many practitioners keep firmly shut: the beautiful potential when Reiki and sexuality connect in consensual, equal-power relationships.
Through her passionate advocacy for ethical practice, she creates a clear contrast between what's appropriate in professional settings versus intimate relationships. She invites listeners to consider how energy work can enhance sensual experiences, especially when beginning with self-pleasure practices.
She also explores:
- The intersection of sacred energy and sexuality
- Ethical boundaries in Reiki practice
- The importance of consent and power dynamics
- Differentiating professional vs. intimate energy work
- Potential of Reiki in consensual, intimate relationships
- Use of energy work to enhance sensuality and self-pleasure
- Awakening to your Inner Lover
- Christine’s personal healing from sexual trauma
- Developing healthy boundaries and inner balance
- Role of self-love and conscious sexuality in healing
- And more!
Whether you're recovering from sexual trauma, exploring energy work, or simply curious about conscious sexuality, Christine offers practical wisdom about self-knowledge, boundary-setting, and the revolutionary power of radical self-love.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.
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Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy, healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and
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balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Hello, hello and welcome.
Welcome back to another amazingepisode here on the Wisdom
Rising podcast.
In today's episode, you get tohear Christine dive into one of
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her recent passion topics.
Over the years, you've heardher bring this topic to the show
as she explored balancing thearchetypes of masculine and
feminine energies, exploring thepriestess path and erotic
shamanism and so much more.
But in today's episode shetakes this topic from a slightly
different perspective as shedives in to Reiki and sex.
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This episode does have atrigger warning as we touch on
some potentially sensitivetopics like sexuality and sexual
assault, so please listencarefully and at your own
discretion.
With that said, christine openstoday's episode with an
acknowledgement of some of theunethical practices that we're
seeing happen in the ArizonaReiki community, and she takes
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us as an opportunity to explorewhen a sexual experience
combined with Reiki isappropriate and when it isn't.
As she dives into the ethicsand integrity of this practice,
she also touches on what happensto the entire spiritual
community when these are mixedinappropriately.
But this episode isn't all inthe shadows.
Christine also brings forwardthe light, as she shares how
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Reiki can enhance our sensualand sexual experiences and why,
when we take these practicesfrom a spiritual perspective,
they can be incredibly powerfulon our journey to healing.
Spiritual perspective that canbe incredibly powerful on our
journey to healing.
Christine also shares some ofher own experiences when it
comes to Reiki and sex and talksabout how Reiki can be a part
of your own self-pleasurepractice and allow you to awaken
to your own inner lover.
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This episode may not be foreveryone, but this is an
incredibly powerful topic andChristine brings it forward with
such wisdom, passion andpurpose.
So if this topic is lightingyou up, please let Christine
know, as she's thinking aboutbringing more masterclasses,
workshops and podcasts on thistopic to our Moon Rising
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We would love to hear your toptakeaways from today's episode.
Over in the Moon Rising ShamanicMystics Facebook group, we have
a community of over 4,000amazing individuals walking this
path, asking questions,exploring different avenues and
mixing modalities, and we arehere to support it all.
As we continue to support ourcommunity, we are also stepping
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into more flow and intuition forthis summer, so our podcast
schedule may become a bit moresporadic as we invite in more
passion and purpose rather thana rigid schedule and structure.
We hope that this is yourinvitation to invite that same
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still be active over in ourFacebook group so that we can
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continue sharing our journeysand continue supporting you in
yours.
So we hope that this is yourinvitation to step into the flow
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all of the amazing happeningsthat we're planning for over the
summer.
With all of that said, let's goto the show amazing happenings
that we're planning for over thesummer.
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With all of that said , let's go to the show.
Today's topic is on Reiki andsex, and there's been a lot of
underlying conversations beinghad in the Reiki community
around inappropriate touch.
That's been going on,particularly in Arizona, and
part of what is coming up for meis like yes, we need to
completely recognize andunderstand and honor these
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assault victims that are, thatit's happening and this is just
completely completely unethical,completely wrong in all the
ways.
And where's the other pendulumsling of when is Reiki and sex
appropriate?
We need to have thisconversation about Reiki as part
of your self-pleasure practice,reiki as part of your
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sensuality and your sexualitywhen is it okay, when is it not
okay?
And so we're going to dive intoall of the things, and I am
really passionate about thistopic because I find that
they're not exclusive to oneanother, right, like I feel like
this is one of those topics.
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Like I'm a huge mixed modalityadvocate.
Like I love mixing modalities.
I mix shamanic Reiki, I mixReiki and coaching.
I, I, I'm a mixer, right, and I, I, I love honoring people who
are mixing.
But you need to also understandthose ethical boundaries.
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And where is our where what isappropriate and what's not
appropriate.
Okay, so a lot of this has beencoming forward because there's a
situation going on right now inArizona of a man who is under
the spiritual guise of as ahealer and he is pulling women
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into his world and misguidingthem and ultimately sexually
assaulting them.
And so I'm going to start offtoday's conversation by actually
reading an advocate's post,because I think it's that
important.
I think this is something thatreally needs to be understood
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and at the forefront, and Ican't state it better than Jenny
Mitchell, and so she postedthis morning.
Well, yesterday, sisters, it'stime I have stood at the gates
of justice, sword and shield inhand, reporting this harm to the
city of Pura, lora and theArizona Attorney General, the
Arizona Massage Therapy Board,the church, the legal and sex
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abuse advocates.
I have done this everything Ican to stand in front of this,
to take the brunt of it, becausewhat he is doing is wrong, it's
illegal and it's happeningright in the places we've
trusted to be safe.
But here's the truth.
The final blow to end this,this abuse, lies in your voice,
your story, your truth caveat.
That is why I'm sharing this,like I think we need to be.
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Our awareness needs to be onalert of people who are
utilizing their spiritualstature as a way to have sexual
misconduct.
Because, okay, before I getinto the rant, let me continue.
He uses spiritual language,healing talk, energy work,
sacred touch, but it's all amask.
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Here's what he says you are notready for the deep work, he
says if you hesitate, so you'llfeel like you're failing him.
If you say no, if you reallywant to heal, you'll let me go
deeper.
He says to course you twistingyour spiritual hunger to break
your boundaries.
You don't really want this.
He says to gaslight you,flipping your discomfort or fear
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into your fault.
He tells you to remove your braor your underwear, even if your
top is on, because the energyneeds to flow.
He asks you to sit on his lapor let him hold you in his
energy, using your search forcomfort against you.
He says flesh to flesh contactis necessary for healing, but
it's not against you.
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He says flesh to flesh contactis necessary for healing, but
it's not.
He rubs his bare chest againstyou or presses his body into
yours, saying your energies aremerging.
He says it might feel erotic,but it's spiritual, grooming you
to doubt your own boundaries,grooming to doubt your own
boundaries.
He asked you to touch him,especially his pelvic region,
saying it will help him releaseenergy.
He talks about your sexualenergy or your feminine power.
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It's manipulation, not medicine.
He talks about his own sexualenergy or blockages.
That's his stuff, not yours.
He frames everything inspiritual talk.
So you'll question your fearand silence your no.
And even if it was just a rubon your belly or a touch on your
thrive, if you don't fully,knowingly and freely consent,
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it's assault.
Let's be clear about Reiki toReiki is gentle.
It's about still hands or handshovering above your body, palms
, open, no pressure, no rubbing.
It does not involve massagingor rubbing your body, removing
any undergarments, touching yourbreasts or between them, inner
thighs or pelvis, direct skin toskin contact or any sexual or
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erotic talk.
If he did any of this in a Reikisession or class, sisters, hear
me, it is not Reiki, it is nothealing, it is abuse and it is
illegal.
Consent must be freely given,not manipulated, not pressured,
not threatened.
It must be informed and ongoing.
You knew what was happening andkept agreeing to it.
It must not be coerced byspiritual talk or his authority
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as a healer.
If, even if you said yesbecause you felt trapped or
frozen or because you didn'tknow how to say no, if you
blindly trusted him due to hisauthority, it's not consent.
Even if it was free or paid,it's still illegal.
And then she goes on to quotethe Arizona state laws of where
all of this is actuallyconsidered sexual abuse.
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Okay, so she's advocating toshare this story.
I've posted it in our group andI do believe that we need to
share it because this is notokay, and not our Reiki
community or anywhere else and Iwant that message to be heard
and shared.
And I also want to also saythat it's not okay in these
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power dynamics If you ever havesomeone who is in a spiritual
authoritative position andthey're coercing you into
anything, that's not okay.
But if you are married and havea consensual sexual arrangement
with a monogamous partner,right.
Or even if you had consensualpolyamory agreements, whatever
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it may be, but like if you areequals and you are practicing on
each other and you are invitingin sexual energy to be added
with Reiki, I don't see anythingwrong with that right.
But this is where there is nopower dynamic and so we need to
go back even further.
Of?
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Where do we understand ouryeses and nos?
Where do we understand what ourboundaries are?
How do we have thisinterpersonal development and
spiritual development and sexualdevelopment to know where that
okay is and that really comes to?
How do we develop our internalintermasculine and feminine
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energies right?
We need that strongintermasculine energy to say
this is my boundary, this iswhat I'm not comfortable for,
this is what I'm not availablefor, this is what I am available
for.
And when you have that innerknowingness, that inner truth of
like this is what my containeris and what I'm available for
and not available for, then thatfeminine energy can flow within
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that safe container.
But if we are having spiritualauthority figures manipulate us,
gaslight us, that is like thisshould never be part of a
session.
I absolutely agree that if youwere in a professional session,
reiki should be just light touchor hovering above the body,
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always, right.
This isn't.
There is no tissue manipulation, okay.
So, yes, I know, like, if youare a Reiki professional and not
a massage therapist, that'sdifferent.
Like, if you are mixingmodalities and you are a
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professional massage therapistand you are a Reiki professional
as well and you're, you'regiving, uh, asking for consent
to your clients to have a Reikimassage.
That's one thing, and you'regoing to be following your board
of your um massage board forthe rules that pertain to
massage, that's.
I'm not talking about that,like, if you are a Reiki
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professional, if you're ashamanic Reiki professional, if
you are a Reiki coach, there'slike you are then in a position
of authority to any of yourclients and any kind of sexual
touch is inappropriate, okay.
So if you are a teacher, if youare a practitioner and you are
touching on any of those placesand spaces I just read, that's
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not okay.
That's not okay.
It's not okay and we need to belearning this in our Reiki
level.
Twos, right, we need to belearning trauma-informed care.
We need to be learning informedconsent.
Like I am a huge advocate ofunderstanding what people's
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experiences are so we can try todo it the best possible to
create safe and sacredcontainers, absolutely.
And so when those lines arecrossed anywhere in our industry
, it hurts all of us, especiallythe true men, healers, that are
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abiding by these ethical codes,standards and procedures, who
are doing everything in theirpower to be okay.
And so one man in this industrywho is really fucking it up for
the rest of the men who aredoing it right.
And so this isn't about.
This is about one man who isfucking it up for the rest of us
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, right.
And that is why I'm so comingon with this strong message of
watch yourself right, likequestion who are you learning
from?
What are they trying to teachyou?
How are they trying to teach it?
And, at any point, if you arefeeling yuck, if you are feeling
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contracted, if you are feelingthat you are coerced, if you are
feeling unsure about anything,if you're not an enthusiastic
yes for any kind of sexualactivity, then it should be a
huge red flag warning sign andit should be a no and it should
be a no.
And this has come from not onlywhat I'm reading right now.
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That's going on.
But you know, I have been dateraped, I have been sexually
groomed, I have, like, I havebeen in situations that have
made me feel small, that havemade me feel uh, tiny, like,
like spiritually condensed toalmost nothing, right, and so if
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you don't feel absolutelyexpansive and having this full
body, yes, like we're not, weshouldn't go there.
We shouldn't go there, right,and I don't mean to shit on
anyone, but these are reallyclear ethical lines and this is
something that I teach in bothmy level two and my Reiki
master's class that we need tohave some level of understanding
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of trauma, informed care aswell as informed consent, and so
when we are in this space,reiki sessions really should be
very clear, and so this is whatI tell every single Reiki client
that I have, and I do it in away so that they know what I'm
going to touch and what I'm notgoing to touch.
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Right, so I will tell them thisis a light touch practice, but
if you don't feel my hands, I'mhovering above your body.
I won't be touching your chestarea, your pelvic region or your
throat, because those can besensitive areas and I don't want
to make you feel uncomfortable,triggered or anything else.
I want you to feel as safe andcalm as possible.
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So those areas I'm going toavoid by maybe working above
your body and you can be I.
I encourage you to be stronglylike fully dressed, like I'm not
asking anyone to take off theirclothing.
When I've had clients come inand they start undressing, I
immediately stop them.
I'm like this is a fullyclothed practice.
I do not want to have you takeoff your clothes.
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I would say my mostuncomfortable sessions were when
I was working at a spa and theywould go from one session to
the next like they would come infor Reiki session and go get a
massage afterwards.
So they would come in nude witha robe on and get under the
table and I and yeah they are,they've got a sheet and blanket
up, but I'm like I don't want tobe working on naked people.
I don't, I'm not comfortablewith it.
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Please tell these people thatthey need to wear clothing right
, because one I'm not, becauseI'm not a massage therapist, I'm
not trained in touch, like howto touch a naked body in an
appropriate way, cause that'snot what I am, that's not my
professional, my professional uh, conduct right, like I'm a
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Reiki master, I'm a Reikiteacher right, like so I I've
never gone to massage school,nor do I think we need to, but
we need to have our sessionsbeing really clear on what we
are doing and how we are doingit well and ahead of time.
Even when I teach Reiki, whetherit's a regular level, one class
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or Reiki master's class I tellevery single student how I'm
going to touch them when I'mdoing their attunement.
So a lot of times.
There's a lot of teachers outthere that want to keep this
whole process secretive and nottell them what's going to happen
.
And I'm like, absolutely not.
We need to be telling everyone.
If we're going to touch them inany capacity, they need to know
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in advance.
So if you're telling a studentto close their eyes and be open
to whatever experience and theydon't know how you're going to
touch them, your guard is goingto go up if you've had any kind
of trauma or not, right.
And so if we want our clientsand our students to fully relax
and feel safe, they need to knowtheir options.
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They need to know like hey, ifmy touch makes you feel
uncomfortable, please let meknow and I will adjust.
That is okay, and this is acontainer in which you can laugh
, you can cry, you can shout,you can cough, you can take a
break and go to the bathroom.
This is your time to do yourhealing work.
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Your spiritual alignment andwhatever that looks like is okay
, right.
And so when we dive in, I wantmy clients to feel that they can
feel that energetic acceptanceof whatever they are currently
going through.
And if that means I have aclient that says I'm not
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comfortable for touch, I'm like,cool, that's not a problem at
all.
Right, that's how we should beconducting our sessions.
Now, if we take the session outof this, out of this paradigm,
and go back to the conversationof Reiki and sets, when I am not
a professional, when I'm notconducting a session, when I'm
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not a teacher and I'm in asacred relationship where I am
with my partner as an equal, Ikeep going back to that there is
no position of authority.
When I'm with my partner and weare having our sexy time and
Reiki is in the mix, that can bea beautiful thing.
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But if we can go back evenfurther than that, to how is it
to have self-pleasure practiceswith Reiki?
How is it to open yourself upto your energy flow and allow
Reiki to be there as you movethis energy through an erotic
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way If you're alone, right, likethese are things that I
absolutely encourage, becauseevery single human is a sexual
being and to deny that part ofourselves is to deny part of
yourself, right.
So we are sexual beings.
We all are right in somecapacity.
We are sexual beings.
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We all are right in somecapacity.
We are sexual beings.
And to deny that aspect, denythat that area of our life is
isn't.
In my opinion, it's not healthy.
And the more we can say, thisis part of my life, this is part
of who I am, and I'm going tofully accept my own sexuality,
whatever that looks like, and gointo a world of exploration
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with myself not with anyone else, with myself of what kind of
touch do I like, how do I liketo breathe, how do I like to
move my own energy as I becomemy own inner lover?
Right, when we can approach oursexual development, our
spiritual development, ourpersonal development from this
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self-pleasure point of view ofgoing.
Each one of us has our innerlover.
How do we like to be touched?
Can we give ourself permissionto come into a container, to say
yes to that?
And when you can start honoringand self-loving yourself to
your fullest capacity ofexploration, of saying yes, of
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saying like let's not let thisbe a five minute rush thing,
right Like can you take an hourto fully engage your senses, to
fully engage your physical beingand honor it, bless it, love on
it in all of the ways, and oneof those ways can be with Reiki,
right, and so when we can havethis time, this self-exploration
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of Reiki as a energy that can,can move our sexual energy.
What is that like?
And if we know our bodies, ifwe know our spirits, that well
then, when we come into theserelationships with the like,
when we come into thesedifferent dynamics, these power
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dynamics with other people, wecan be like I know what my inner
lover would do with this.
They would say no.
I'm clear in my own yeses andnos, within my body, of how I
like to be touched and this isnot it.
This is doesn't feel good to me, I feel, and sometimes we need
to have good long breaks betweenevents to really understand
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where our confusion lies, like Ifeel.
Like confusion is a red flag.
If you are like second guessingthings, if you're doubting
things, we need to have somedistance and go inwards with our
own inner lover, with our owndivine feminine, with our own
inner queen or king, whateverthat means to you, and say this
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is what she wants, this is whathe wants.
What does that look like?
And if we can learn, we canlearn how to have exquisite,
pleasurable experiences with memyself and I.
I don't need anybody else.
You know, when I went to myfirst tantric week-long workshop
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in Costa Rica last October andit was a tantra ayahuasca
workshop, but the tantra wasreally separate from the
ayahuasca for the most part,other than the first ceremony,
but it was.
I had these really beautifulenergetic experiences and I had
this very clear realization thatsexual energy and Reiki energy
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were the same thing, because Iwas moving energy and energy is
energy and energy is exquisite.
Energy is amazing, right, andso, when I could, I had my own
aha moment of I could have thissexual, spiritual energy flow
within my body, utilizing themicrocosmic orbit, utilizing
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somatic body movements to bringthe energy upwards, using breath
work to enhance that processand have a full body orgasm
without any kind of genitalstimulation at all.
I was like every single fuckingwoman needs to know this, like
every, every woman needs to knowthis, because once you have
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this door open of oh my gosh, Ican understand my energy, I can
understand myself, I know what Iwant, I know what I like, I
know what is possible for myphysical container to experience
ecstasy and bliss withoutstimulation, without another
person.
It's all me and whatever thatlooks like is okay.
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When we drop expectations ofthis is what sex should be.
We drop expectations of this iswhat pleasure should be, and
you just get to meet yourself.
You get to just meet yourselfin that capacity of I am open to
whatever this feels like andhowever it wants to unfold, and
I'm going to breathe and I'mgoing to move and I'm going to
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make sounds, and I'm going toexperience the fullness of my
body without anyone else,without anyone else's judgment,
without anyone else's pressureto know myself.
That's when things reallystarted to shift in my world,
because I really did feel like,wow, if women knew this, if
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women knew this power, it couldbe absolutely amazing, because
we aren't, then, hungry forsexual experiences and we know
how to fully take care ofourselves, to fully honor
ourselves, to fully loveourselves.
And I think that is what is sooftentimes missing from this mix
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is that in some way, we aren'tloving ourselves enough, and so
we are seeking it outside ofourselves.
We're seeking someone else tofill our cup instead of turning
inward and going.
I love myself so much.
I'm going to take care of allof my, all of my, my needs.
I'm going to.
I'm going to love myself somuch.
I'm going to take care of allof my needs.
I'm going to love myself likeno one has ever loved me before.
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I'm going to take this sweetmoment and turn it into an hour,
two hours of just honoring me,noticing my senses, noticing how
I hear, notice, how my breathis moving through my body, how
taste tastes, how touch feelslike all of it, right?
How, when you're in thatenergetic state, how you see
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colors beneath your eyes, likebeneath your eyelids, and really
fully experience all of you andyour sexual, heightened part of
who.
You are Right, and that's not.
I haven't been in places andspaces where that's encouraged,
and so I'm like let's createplaces and spaces where that's
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encouraged, because I thinkthat's where, where it all
starts.
It all starts with self-love,and if we aren't loving
ourselves fully and completely,how are we supposed to heal our
body image issues?
How are we supposed to healthose somatic places within
ourselves that are holding thetrauma?
How can we not fully dance withthe beauty of life?
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Right, if we want to liveecstatic, blissful lives, we got
to start with me myself and Iright.
And from that part, from thatknowingness that I can love me
more than anyone else can loveme, I know all of my parts of me
and I can love all of it thelight, the dark, the shadows,
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the messy places.
I'm going to love on all of itand I'm going to like give
myself the invitation to takethe time to have essential sexy
experience with yourself.
That can be one of the mostamazing healing opportunities
you can give yourself, right.
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And so when I hear hard fastrules that Reiki and sex can't
go together ever, I'm like no,it can and it should start with
the self-pleasure practice,right.
And there's absolutely a placewhere it's completely
inappropriate, right.
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Power dynamics inappropriate,right.
Power dynamics inappropriate,right.
And so when we can start withourselves as a sensual sexual
being who is starting our selflove practice sessions with
Reiki and allowing that energyto flow, it can lead to
beautiful things, right.
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So start with yourself, startwith yourself.
And then, if you were in aloving partnership who is open
to having intimate conversations, meaning you can freely express
your desires, your fears, yourboundaries without any
inhibitions then yeah, have theconversation, have the
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conversation, and I think that'swhy currently I'm very excited
about teaching Tantra workshopsand intimacy workshops and
conversate and having cacaoceremonies for heart openers.
To have more of theseconversations and just let's
talk.
Like this topic is so taboo tobegin with and so kept in the
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dark and so hidden that now it'sthis dark thing and it's like
it doesn't have to be.
We have to know, we have tounderstand our bodies, we have
to understand our voices, wehave to use our voices and it,
it, it all truly, for me, comesback to that inner work.
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And if this was, you know, Ifeel like I also had a very
difficult sexual experience thislast fall and it allowed me to
come into a place of going.
I want more, I need more.
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I need more.
I need to understand who I amand grow and define who who I am
for me, before I let anyoneelse in.
And as I was doing thatpractice, I, I, I'm super
blessed.
I, I also am now in arelationship with a Tantra
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teacher and training and he'sbeen doing Tantra for over 10
years and it's fucking amazing,right, because there is no but
one, there is no power dynamic.
We and I have always seen themthis way, as as equals.
Like I've attended some of hisclasses in the past, he's
attended mine.
Like we've been in each other'sclassrooms but never.
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We've always been friends,we've always been colleagues.
And then it developed intosomething more where voices were
always heard.
The sacred container was alwayscreated especially in the
beginning, to really communicate.
Created especially in thebeginning to really communicate.
Like it's it's probably morethan a weekly basis that we're
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discussing specifically what ourfears, what our desires and
what our boundaries are, and toreally have sexual trauma.
Like I've had sexual trauma andI think one of my biggest, you
know, hard places is having areally intense, expansive sexual
experience and then saying no,I don't want that.
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And being ignored, right.
So it became this thing where,like, well, I just won't say no
anymore, because then it won'tbe rape, it won't be sexual
assault.
If I just go along witheverything and it took me all of
these years to get to the spaceof that's fucked up, that's not
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okay.
I don't want to be hidingmyself and making the other
person comfortable for two andtwo at my expense, right.
Like I don't, I'm not availablefor that anymore.
And to really recognize likethis is a problem area for me of
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like I have a hard time sayingno because my nose haven't been
listened to Right and I've beentaken advantage of and I have
this deep fear that due to my,my, my actual physical body size
, that I can be swooped up andtaken away and raped at any time
.
So I have a hard time goinginto public spaces without
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someone with me, because that'sa reality.
That's part like.
Life isn't always safe, andthere was a time when I was like
16, 17 years old where thathappened.
Some guy picked me up, threw meover his shoulder and brought
me to his bedroom to rape me andluckily there was someone there
to get me out of the situationand that that in that instant
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that didn't happen, but it lefta mark on me right Like.
It left a mark that, like mynose, aren't going to be heard.
Then I was date rape.
My nose wasn't heard Right andso when we have these and you
know women, we it's.
We have been molested, we havebeen raped, we have been
sexually assaulted and many menhave as well Right Like, and so
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that's why it always comes backto.
Can we start with aself-pleasure practice?
Can we start with me myself andI?
Can we create a safe and sacredcontainer for me to touch me,
to explore me first, right, andI love that.
We have beautiful, energetichealing tools now available to
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us, like the Yoni egg, like theYoni wand, that can help us heal
some of the somatic trauma inour Yonis right, like I'm a huge
advocate for doingself-pleasure practices and
exploration and holding spacefor your own healing and
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learning how to move throughthose body energetic charges
that we're holding onto right.
So what is that like for you?
Like, where in your body do youneed a love on fully and
completely?
And I think, when we can bereally truly honest and
vulnerable with ourselves?
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And if you're in a marriage, ifyou're in a partnership, if
you're in a committedrelationship, can we have those
vulnerable conversations withour partner?
And what does it tell us whenthat answer is no, and sometimes
that answer is I need to workon my own self first.
Maybe they are open to it butyou're not ready to go there.
Maybe you need to work with atherapist or a sex therapist,
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and that is okay.
Asking for help is okay and I'ma huge advocate for that as
well.
Like, if you are struggling withyour no, if you're struggling
and developing your own innermasculine of what you're
available for and what you'renot, what that solar plexus area
of this is who I am, this iswhat I believe, these are my
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values.
If those feel wishy-washy toyou.
Let's start there.
You know I think that and italways had like I'm a huge
advocate of solar plexus workand I always have been.
I have been huge into fiery,shamanic work for a long time.
It has only been recently thatI really dipped in deeper into
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that sacral, femininity, juicy,sensual space, because I had so
much things I needed to burnaway.
I needed to really get clear onthis is what my values are,
these are what my standards are,this is what my priorities are,
this is who I am, this is whoI'm not.
This is what I'm available for,this is what I'm not available
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for.
I had to work through all ofthat to then really sink into
great.
That solar plexus energy hascreated my container for myself
so that that divine femininewithin me could blossom, could
unfold, that could swim in theenergy and in that.
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I think that's just a beautifulprocess.
And so when we starteddeveloping soul rising, there
was a lot of solar plexusinformation, there was a lot of
solar plexus activating actions.
There was so much in there andwe really want to discover the
limiting beliefs and where theycame from, right, and and then
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it's like, okay, when we've donethat work, when we're entering
into the sacral chakra, work,like, how are we opening up the
space to create the foundationsso that our femininity, our flow
, our breath, work, can thenmove forward and move this
energy around and circulatethrough the body?
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Because, as you probably know,like we, none of us are perfect,
are perfect, none of us havethis perfect aligned chakras.
Right, like, we all have stuff.
We all have stuff, and I'm justa huge advocate for doing the
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interpersonal work, to doing theself-advocacy work, to to
understanding our bodies, tounderstanding where things are
stuck and then finding our flowfrom there.
Right, and so I'm, I'm real, Iwas really blessed to have my
tantrum mentor enter into mylife when she did and, um, if
(38:23):
you didn't catch the podcast onthe priestess path with Kashi,
like, go check out that episode,she is amazing.
And it really was perfect,perfect, perfect timing.
Because I was in a relationshipthat wasn't healthy and I
didn't have my boundaries clearand I was being sexually groomed
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for things that I didn't wantand I didn't know I didn't want
it because I just didn't know.
I was so confused and thatenergy of confusion should have
been a red flag.
There was a lot of red flagsthat I tried to overlook and I
think that happens to women allthe time.
It happens all the time.
(39:04):
And so, by having the TantraAyahuasca ceremony and then
jumping into her power of portalclass, where you were really
working through the light andthe shadow, like doing the dance
with Persephone, of going intothe underworld, like working
with an honest energy and goinginto the underworld to really
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take off the layers in which wehold ourselves in, around the
fear of rejection, around fearof abandonment, around fear like
all of these fears that we,that we cloak ourselves in and
in that fear of rejection, ofthat fear of they're not going
to like me, of that fear of, um,like I want their approval in
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some way, then we, then we, wecan get caught up in these
unhealthy relationships.
And by doing that work, it was,uh, it allowed me to go.
Oh, my goodness, I know why Iattracted this relationship, I
know why I'm in this unhealthyrelationship.
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I know what is happening andwhat I'm available for, what I'm
not, and it was a fucking messyprocess.
It was a really messy processand, um, and I really needed to
learn a lesson.
Uh, and the lesson really was Ilove myself more than whatever
the fuck this is.
And it took a long time to getthere and in retrospect it
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wasn't a long time.
I was only in this relationshipfor seven months.
But in that process of I lovemyself more, that was the
underlying lesson that I learned.
I had to get to this point of Ilove myself more than and I
love myself so incredibly deeplythat I'm not available for the
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drama, I'm not available for themanipulation, I'm not available
for whatever it was, whateverthat was created, whatever it
was, whatever what that wascreated, and when I could figure
that out, I love myself andthat's so.
That's huge.
So, yes, I was working throughportal of power with Kashi I was
, and then I joined her eroticalchemy group and both of these
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have an underlying tone oferotic shamanism and it all
comes into this inner lover andlearning how to love yourself
totally and completely.
So that when I was fully readyto say yes to my next
relationship, I knew that Iloved myself.
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I knew that I loved my body.
I knew that I loved my voice Ilove the sounds that I make that
I loved my body.
I knew that I loved my voice.
I love the sounds that I make,I love my light language.
I love the spirituality workthat I do.
I love, I love myself, I lovemyself and no one can shake or
break that, because that was afoundation I chose to lay and
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that I stand on every single day.
And so when I came into thatpower, right, that power allowed
my root chakra to be like I'mfucking solid I am.
My GPS system is totally in theearth, deep down into mother
Gaia, and it connects right upto my womb space, which opened
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up that sacral chakra energy,which opened up the solar plexus
of going.
This is what I'm available for,this is what I'm not, and I'm
available to move thatcompassionate heart through and
a huge amount of gratitude forhow we each show up in our
current relationship.
And then I and and to use ourvoice, right, I don't think I've
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ever felt so free, absolutely.
I don't think I've ever felt sofree than in the relationship
that I'm in now, because I feelsafe, I feel held, I feel like
whatever I say isn't gonna bejudged, it's gonna be honored,
whatever that is, and it goesboth ways.
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It goes both ways and I'm likethis is amazing.
I think this is the best,healthiest relationship I've
ever been in and it's amazing.
It's amazing.
So I think I wanted to sharethis story with you because I
think there's a lot of fear outthere, of judgment around.
I've made these bad decisions.
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I'm taking responsibility formy bad decisions of getting into
this relationship.
And, yeah, there's some of it,and there's also fucking
manipulation and gaslighting andbullshit.
That's not your fault, shithappens.
And how do we love ourselvesmore through it?
Because I spent a lot of timeand I still have moments where I
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am like and it sucks, and yetwe learn and we grow and we can
support ourselves, coming backinto an alignment of going who
am I, what do I want, how do Iwant to be treated, and can I do
that for myself first?
And so I'm sure if you guyshave followed me for a while,
(44:31):
you'll notice the different, theshift that I had over the
winter.
Right, I did a huge radicalself-care, self-love series for
reason and purpose.
I needed to radically self-lovemyself to fully honor who I am
as I was entering a new lovingrelationship, and so I'm, I'm
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sharing this from my heart, I'msharing this from my soul of if
you are engaging Reiki and sextogether, know, know what, where
that lies.
If there's power dynamics,manipulation, gaslighting, any
kind of bullshit, there'squestioning.
If you're confused, if you'refeeling small, like all of those
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things, take a breath, stepback, reach out for help, love
yourself, know that you're goingto be supported and held, even
though it's going to feel yuckyand I felt yucky right.
And if you are in a loving,committed, communicative
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relationship with yourself orwith a partner, it's okay.
It's okay and I would say mypeak sexual experiences have
been very energetic, veryenergetically based, and so,
especially as sensitive empathsthat can feel energy to such an
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exquisite degree, why are wedenying ourselves if it's in a
healthy container, right?
So this is not sessions.
I'm not speaking to sessions.
I'm not speakingteacher-student relationships in
a loving partnership wherecommunication is open and you're
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speaking your desires, yourfears and your boundaries, and
they are honored Always.
These are places and spaces youmight want to explore, but
start with yourself, always,always start with yourself,
because knowing what you desire,knowing what you enjoy, knowing
where your bliss factors are,is always the first step in my
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mind.
So with that, thank you.
Thank you so much for listening.
If you have been a victim ofsexual assault, please reach out
.
I will help you get connectedto the right people and places
so that you can feel supported.
And the reason why we need tokeep talking about this is
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because it is happening.
And if we are gonna create anexpansive Reiki industry that
will continue to grow and thrive, we need to do some weeding and
we need to create spaces wheremale practitioners have a safe
place to practice if they'reconducting themselves ethically
Right.
And so, if we need to do someweeding, let's do some weeding.
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We need to get out and get inand do the dirty work.
Let's weed the fuck out of this, right, and know that that's
not happening everywhere.
And if it's not happening inyour marriage or your
partnership and this is abeautiful, blessed thing that is
easily to mix in with yoursexuality and your sensuality
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let it be blissful.
Give yourself that, yes, yes,reiki and sexual energy can go
together.
And if it's in that healthycontainer okay, there's my rant
for today.
In that healthy container Okay,there's my rant for today.
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feelings.
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Hello, hello and welcome.
Welcome back to another amazingepisode here on the Wisdom
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In today's episode, you get tohear Christine dive into one of
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Over the years, you've heardher bring this topic to the show
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But in today's episode shetakes this topic from a slightly
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With that said, christine openstoday's episode with an
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As she dives into the ethicsand integrity of this practice,
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community when these are mixedinappropriately.
But this episode isn't all inthe shadows.
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With all of that said , let's go to the show.
Today's topic is on Reiki andsex, and there's been a lot of
underlying conversations beinghad in the Reiki community
around inappropriate touch.
That's been going on,particularly in Arizona, and
part of what is coming up for meis like yes, we need to
completely recognize andunderstand and honor these
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assault victims that are, thatit's happening and this is just
completely completely unethical,completely wrong in all the
ways.
And where's the other pendulumsling of when is Reiki and sex
appropriate?
We need to have thisconversation about Reiki as part
of your self-pleasure practice,reiki as part of your
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sensuality and your sexualitywhen is it okay, when is it not
okay?
And so we're going to dive intoall of the things, and I am
really passionate about thistopic because I find that
they're not exclusive to oneanother, right, like I feel like
this is one of those topics.
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Like I'm a huge mixed modalityadvocate.
Like I love mixing modalities.
I mix shamanic Reiki, I mixReiki and coaching.
I, I, I'm a mixer, right, and I, I, I love honoring people who
are mixing.
But you need to also understandthose ethical boundaries.
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And where is our where what isappropriate and what's not
appropriate.
Okay, so a lot of this has beencoming forward because there's a
situation going on right now inArizona of a man who is under
the spiritual guise of as ahealer and he is pulling women
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into his world and misguidingthem and ultimately sexually
assaulting them.
And so I'm going to start offtoday's conversation by actually
reading an advocate's post,because I think it's that
important.
I think this is something thatreally needs to be understood
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and at the forefront, and Ican't state it better than Jenny
Mitchell, and so she postedthis morning.
Well, yesterday, sisters, it'stime I have stood at the gates
of justice, sword and shield inhand, reporting this harm to the
city of Pura, lora and theArizona Attorney General, the
Arizona Massage Therapy Board,the church, the legal and sex
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abuse advocates.
I have done this everything Ican to stand in front of this,
to take the brunt of it, becausewhat he is doing is wrong, it's
illegal and it's happeningright in the places we've
trusted to be safe.
But here's the truth.
The final blow to end this,this abuse, lies in your voice,
your story, your truth caveat.
That is why I'm sharing this,like I think we need to be.
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Our awareness needs to be onalert of people who are
utilizing their spiritualstature as a way to have sexual
misconduct.
Because, okay, before I getinto the rant, let me continue.
He uses spiritual language,healing talk, energy work,
sacred touch, but it's all amask.
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Here's what he says you are notready for the deep work, he
says if you hesitate, so you'llfeel like you're failing him.
If you say no, if you reallywant to heal, you'll let me go
deeper.
He says to course you twistingyour spiritual hunger to break
your boundaries.
You don't really want this.
He says to gaslight you,flipping your discomfort or fear
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into your fault.
He tells you to remove your braor your underwear, even if your
top is on, because the energyneeds to flow.
He asks you to sit on his lapor let him hold you in his
energy, using your search forcomfort against you.
He says flesh to flesh contactis necessary for healing, but
it's not against you.
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He says flesh to flesh contactis necessary for healing, but
it's not.
He rubs his bare chest againstyou or presses his body into
yours, saying your energies aremerging.
He says it might feel erotic,but it's spiritual, grooming you
to doubt your own boundaries,grooming to doubt your own
boundaries.
He asked you to touch him,especially his pelvic region,
saying it will help him releaseenergy.
He talks about your sexualenergy or your feminine power.
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It's manipulation, not medicine.
He talks about his own sexualenergy or blockages.
That's his stuff, not yours.
He frames everything inspiritual talk.
So you'll question your fearand silence your no.
And even if it was just a rubon your belly or a touch on your
thrive, if you don't fully,knowingly and freely consent,
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it's assault.
Let's be clear about Reiki toReiki is gentle.
It's about still hands or handshovering above your body, palms
, open, no pressure, no rubbing.
It does not involve massagingor rubbing your body, removing
any undergarments, touching yourbreasts or between them, inner
thighs or pelvis, direct skin toskin contact or any sexual or
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erotic talk.
If he did any of this in a Reikisession or class, sisters, hear
me, it is not Reiki, it is nothealing, it is abuse and it is
illegal.
Consent must be freely given,not manipulated, not pressured,
not threatened.
It must be informed and ongoing.
You knew what was happening andkept agreeing to it.
It must not be coerced byspiritual talk or his authority
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as a healer.
If, even if you said yesbecause you felt trapped or
frozen or because you didn'tknow how to say no, if you
blindly trusted him due to hisauthority, it's not consent.
Even if it was free or paid,it's still illegal.
And then she goes on to quotethe Arizona state laws of where
all of this is actuallyconsidered sexual abuse.
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Okay, so she's advocating toshare this story.
I've posted it in our group andI do believe that we need to
share it because this is notokay, and not our Reiki
community or anywhere else and Iwant that message to be heard
and shared.
And I also want to also saythat it's not okay in these
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power dynamics If you ever havesomeone who is in a spiritual
authoritative position andthey're coercing you into
anything, that's not okay.
But if you are married and havea consensual sexual arrangement
with a monogamous partner,right.
Or even if you had consensualpolyamory agreements, whatever
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it may be, but like if you areequals and you are practicing on
each other and you are invitingin sexual energy to be added
with Reiki, I don't see anythingwrong with that right.
But this is where there is nopower dynamic and so we need to
go back even further.
Of?
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Where do we understand ouryeses and nos?
Where do we understand what ourboundaries are?
How do we have thisinterpersonal development and
spiritual development and sexualdevelopment to know where that
okay is and that really comes to?
How do we develop our internalintermasculine and feminine
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energies right?
We need that strongintermasculine energy to say
this is my boundary, this iswhat I'm not comfortable for,
this is what I'm not availablefor, this is what I am available
for.
And when you have that innerknowingness, that inner truth of
like this is what my containeris and what I'm available for
and not available for, then thatfeminine energy can flow within
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that safe container.
But if we are having spiritualauthority figures manipulate us,
gaslight us, that is like thisshould never be part of a
session.
I absolutely agree that if youwere in a professional session,
reiki should be just light touchor hovering above the body,
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always, right.
This isn't.
There is no tissue manipulation, okay.
So, yes, I know, like, if youare a Reiki professional and not
a massage therapist, that'sdifferent.
Like, if you are mixingmodalities and you are a
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professional massage therapistand you are a Reiki professional
as well and you're, you'regiving, uh, asking for consent
to your clients to have a Reikimassage.
That's one thing, and you'regoing to be following your board
of your um massage board forthe rules that pertain to
massage, that's.
I'm not talking about that,like, if you are a Reiki
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professional, if you're ashamanic Reiki professional, if
you are a Reiki coach, there'slike you are then in a position
of authority to any of yourclients and any kind of sexual
touch is inappropriate, okay.
So if you are a teacher, if youare a practitioner and you are
touching on any of those placesand spaces I just read, that's
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not okay.
That's not okay.
It's not okay and we need to belearning this in our Reiki
level.
Twos, right, we need to belearning trauma-informed care.
We need to be learning informedconsent.
Like I am a huge advocate ofunderstanding what people's
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experiences are so we can try todo it the best possible to
create safe and sacredcontainers, absolutely.
And so when those lines arecrossed anywhere in our industry
, it hurts all of us, especiallythe true men, healers, that are
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abiding by these ethical codes,standards and procedures, who
are doing everything in theirpower to be okay.
And so one man in this industrywho is really fucking it up for
the rest of the men who aredoing it right.
And so this isn't about.
This is about one man who isfucking it up for the rest of us
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, right.
And that is why I'm so comingon with this strong message of
watch yourself right, likequestion who are you learning
from?
What are they trying to teachyou?
How are they trying to teach it?
And, at any point, if you arefeeling yuck, if you are feeling
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contracted, if you are feelingthat you are coerced, if you are
feeling unsure about anything,if you're not an enthusiastic
yes for any kind of sexualactivity, then it should be a
huge red flag warning sign andit should be a no and it should
be a no.
And this has come from not onlywhat I'm reading right now.
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That's going on.
But you know, I have been dateraped, I have been sexually
groomed, I have, like, I havebeen in situations that have
made me feel small, that havemade me feel uh, tiny, like,
like spiritually condensed toalmost nothing, right, and so if
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you don't feel absolutelyexpansive and having this full
body, yes, like we're not, weshouldn't go there.
We shouldn't go there, right,and I don't mean to shit on
anyone, but these are reallyclear ethical lines and this is
something that I teach in bothmy level two and my Reiki
master's class that we need tohave some level of understanding
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of trauma, informed care aswell as informed consent, and so
when we are in this space,reiki sessions really should be
very clear, and so this is whatI tell every single Reiki client
that I have, and I do it in away so that they know what I'm
going to touch and what I'm notgoing to touch.
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Right, so I will tell them thisis a light touch practice, but
if you don't feel my hands, I'mhovering above your body.
I won't be touching your chestarea, your pelvic region or your
throat, because those can besensitive areas and I don't want
to make you feel uncomfortable,triggered or anything else.
I want you to feel as safe andcalm as possible.
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So those areas I'm going toavoid by maybe working above
your body and you can be I.
I encourage you to be stronglylike fully dressed, like I'm not
asking anyone to take off theirclothing.
When I've had clients come inand they start undressing, I
immediately stop them.
I'm like this is a fullyclothed practice.
I do not want to have you takeoff your clothes.
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I would say my mostuncomfortable sessions were when
I was working at a spa and theywould go from one session to
the next like they would come infor Reiki session and go get a
massage afterwards.
So they would come in nude witha robe on and get under the
table and I and yeah they are,they've got a sheet and blanket
up, but I'm like I don't want tobe working on naked people.
I don't, I'm not comfortablewith it.
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Please tell these people thatthey need to wear clothing right
, because one I'm not, becauseI'm not a massage therapist, I'm
not trained in touch, like howto touch a naked body in an
appropriate way, cause that'snot what I am, that's not my
professional, my professional uh, conduct right, like I'm a
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Reiki master, I'm a Reikiteacher right, like so I I've
never gone to massage school,nor do I think we need to, but
we need to have our sessionsbeing really clear on what we
are doing and how we are doingit well and ahead of time.
Even when I teach Reiki, whetherit's a regular level, one class
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or Reiki master's class I tellevery single student how I'm
going to touch them when I'mdoing their attunement.
So a lot of times.
There's a lot of teachers outthere that want to keep this
whole process secretive and nottell them what's going to happen
.
And I'm like, absolutely not.
We need to be telling everyone.
If we're going to touch them inany capacity, they need to know
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in advance.
So if you're telling a studentto close their eyes and be open
to whatever experience and theydon't know how you're going to
touch them, your guard is goingto go up if you've had any kind
of trauma or not, right.
And so if we want our clientsand our students to fully relax
and feel safe, they need to knowtheir options.
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They need to know like hey, ifmy touch makes you feel
uncomfortable, please let meknow and I will adjust.
That is okay, and this is acontainer in which you can laugh
, you can cry, you can shout,you can cough, you can take a
break and go to the bathroom.
This is your time to do yourhealing work.
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Your spiritual alignment andwhatever that looks like is okay
, right.
And so when we dive in, I wantmy clients to feel that they can
feel that energetic acceptanceof whatever they are currently
going through.
And if that means I have aclient that says I'm not
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comfortable for touch, I'm like,cool, that's not a problem at
all.
Right, that's how we should beconducting our sessions.
Now, if we take the session outof this, out of this paradigm,
and go back to the conversationof Reiki and sets, when I am not
a professional, when I'm notconducting a session, when I'm
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not a teacher and I'm in asacred relationship where I am
with my partner as an equal, Ikeep going back to that there is
no position of authority.
When I'm with my partner and weare having our sexy time and
Reiki is in the mix, that can bea beautiful thing.
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But if we can go back evenfurther than that, to how is it
to have self-pleasure practiceswith Reiki?
How is it to open yourself upto your energy flow and allow
Reiki to be there as you movethis energy through an erotic
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way If you're alone, right, likethese are things that I
absolutely encourage, becauseevery single human is a sexual
being and to deny that part ofourselves is to deny part of
yourself, right.
So we are sexual beings.
We all are right in somecapacity.
We are sexual beings.
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We all are right in somecapacity.
We are sexual beings.
And to deny that aspect, denythat that area of our life is
isn't.
In my opinion, it's not healthy.
And the more we can say, thisis part of my life, this is part
of who I am, and I'm going tofully accept my own sexuality,
whatever that looks like, and gointo a world of exploration
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with myself not with anyone else, with myself of what kind of
touch do I like, how do I liketo breathe, how do I like to
move my own energy as I becomemy own inner lover?
Right, when we can approach oursexual development, our
spiritual development, ourpersonal development from this
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self-pleasure point of view ofgoing.
Each one of us has our innerlover.
How do we like to be touched?
Can we give ourself permissionto come into a container, to say
yes to that?
And when you can start honoringand self-loving yourself to
your fullest capacity ofexploration, of saying yes, of
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saying like let's not let thisbe a five minute rush thing,
right Like can you take an hourto fully engage your senses, to
fully engage your physical beingand honor it, bless it, love on
it in all of the ways, and oneof those ways can be with Reiki,
right, and so when we can havethis time, this self-exploration
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of Reiki as a energy that can,can move our sexual energy.
What is that like?
And if we know our bodies, ifwe know our spirits, that well
then, when we come into theserelationships with the like,
when we come into thesedifferent dynamics, these power
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dynamics with other people, wecan be like I know what my inner
lover would do with this.
They would say no.
I'm clear in my own yeses andnos, within my body, of how I
like to be touched and this isnot it.
This is doesn't feel good to me, I feel, and sometimes we need
to have good long breaks betweenevents to really understand
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where our confusion lies, like Ifeel.
Like confusion is a red flag.
If you are like second guessingthings, if you're doubting
things, we need to have somedistance and go inwards with our
own inner lover, with our owndivine feminine, with our own
inner queen or king, whateverthat means to you, and say this
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is what she wants, this is whathe wants.
What does that look like?
And if we can learn, we canlearn how to have exquisite,
pleasurable experiences with memyself and I.
I don't need anybody else.
You know, when I went to myfirst tantric week-long workshop
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in Costa Rica last October andit was a tantra ayahuasca
workshop, but the tantra wasreally separate from the
ayahuasca for the most part,other than the first ceremony,
but it was.
I had these really beautifulenergetic experiences and I had
this very clear realization thatsexual energy and Reiki energy
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were the same thing, because Iwas moving energy and energy is
energy and energy is exquisite.
Energy is amazing, right, andso, when I could, I had my own
aha moment of I could have thissexual, spiritual energy flow
within my body, utilizing themicrocosmic orbit, utilizing
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somatic body movements to bringthe energy upwards, using breath
work to enhance that processand have a full body orgasm
without any kind of genitalstimulation at all.
I was like every single fuckingwoman needs to know this, like
every, every woman needs to knowthis, because once you have
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this door open of oh my gosh, Ican understand my energy, I can
understand myself, I know what Iwant, I know what I like, I
know what is possible for myphysical container to experience
ecstasy and bliss withoutstimulation, without another
person.
It's all me and whatever thatlooks like is okay.
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When we drop expectations ofthis is what sex should be.
We drop expectations of this iswhat pleasure should be, and
you just get to meet yourself.
You get to just meet yourselfin that capacity of I am open to
whatever this feels like andhowever it wants to unfold, and
I'm going to breathe and I'mgoing to move and I'm going to
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make sounds, and I'm going toexperience the fullness of my
body without anyone else,without anyone else's judgment,
without anyone else's pressureto know myself.
That's when things reallystarted to shift in my world,
because I really did feel like,wow, if women knew this, if
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women knew this power, it couldbe absolutely amazing, because
we aren't, then, hungry forsexual experiences and we know
how to fully take care ofourselves, to fully honor
ourselves, to fully loveourselves.
And I think that is what is sooftentimes missing from this mix
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is that in some way, we aren'tloving ourselves enough, and so
we are seeking it outside ofourselves.
We're seeking someone else tofill our cup instead of turning
inward and going.
I love myself so much.
I'm going to take care of allof my, all of my, my needs.
I'm going to.
I'm going to love myself somuch.
I'm going to take care of allof my needs.
I'm going to love myself likeno one has ever loved me before.
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I'm going to take this sweetmoment and turn it into an hour,
two hours of just honoring me,noticing my senses, noticing how
I hear, notice, how my breathis moving through my body, how
taste tastes, how touch feelslike all of it, right?
How, when you're in thatenergetic state, how you see
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colors beneath your eyes, likebeneath your eyelids, and really
fully experience all of you andyour sexual, heightened part of
who.
You are Right, and that's not.
I haven't been in places andspaces where that's encouraged,
and so I'm like let's createplaces and spaces where that's
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encouraged, because I thinkthat's where, where it all
starts.
It all starts with self-love,and if we aren't loving
ourselves fully and completely,how are we supposed to heal our
body image issues?
How are we supposed to healthose somatic places within
ourselves that are holding thetrauma?
How can we not fully dance withthe beauty of life?
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Right, if we want to liveecstatic, blissful lives, we got
to start with me myself and Iright.
And from that part, from thatknowingness that I can love me
more than anyone else can loveme, I know all of my parts of me
and I can love all of it thelight, the dark, the shadows,
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the messy places.
I'm going to love on all of itand I'm going to like give
myself the invitation to takethe time to have essential sexy
experience with yourself.
That can be one of the mostamazing healing opportunities
you can give yourself, right.
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And so when I hear hard fastrules that Reiki and sex can't
go together ever, I'm like no,it can and it should start with
the self-pleasure practice,right.
And there's absolutely a placewhere it's completely
inappropriate, right.
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Power dynamics inappropriate,right.
Power dynamics inappropriate,right.
And so when we can start withourselves as a sensual sexual
being who is starting our selflove practice sessions with
Reiki and allowing that energyto flow, it can lead to
beautiful things, right.
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So start with yourself, startwith yourself.
And then, if you were in aloving partnership who is open
to having intimate conversations, meaning you can freely express
your desires, your fears, yourboundaries without any
inhibitions then yeah, have theconversation, have the
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conversation, and I think that'swhy currently I'm very excited
about teaching Tantra workshopsand intimacy workshops and
conversate and having cacaoceremonies for heart openers.
To have more of theseconversations and just let's
talk.
Like this topic is so taboo tobegin with and so kept in the
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dark and so hidden that now it'sthis dark thing and it's like
it doesn't have to be.
We have to know, we have tounderstand our bodies, we have
to understand our voices, wehave to use our voices and it,
it, it all truly, for me, comesback to that inner work.
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And if this was, you know, Ifeel like I also had a very
difficult sexual experience thislast fall and it allowed me to
come into a place of going.
I want more, I need more.
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I need more.
I need to understand who I amand grow and define who who I am
for me, before I let anyoneelse in.
And as I was doing thatpractice, I, I, I'm super
blessed.
I, I also am now in arelationship with a Tantra
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teacher and training and he'sbeen doing Tantra for over 10
years and it's fucking amazing,right, because there is no but
one, there is no power dynamic.
We and I have always seen themthis way, as as equals.
Like I've attended some of hisclasses in the past, he's
attended mine.
Like we've been in each other'sclassrooms but never.
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We've always been friends,we've always been colleagues.
And then it developed intosomething more where voices were
always heard.
The sacred container was alwayscreated especially in the
beginning, to really communicate.
Created especially in thebeginning to really communicate.
Like it's it's probably morethan a weekly basis that we're
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discussing specifically what ourfears, what our desires and
what our boundaries are, and toreally have sexual trauma.
Like I've had sexual trauma andI think one of my biggest, you
know, hard places is having areally intense, expansive sexual
experience and then saying no,I don't want that.
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And being ignored, right.
So it became this thing where,like, well, I just won't say no
anymore, because then it won'tbe rape, it won't be sexual
assault.
If I just go along witheverything and it took me all of
these years to get to the spaceof that's fucked up, that's not
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okay.
I don't want to be hidingmyself and making the other
person comfortable for two andtwo at my expense, right.
Like I don't, I'm not availablefor that anymore.
And to really recognize likethis is a problem area for me of
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like I have a hard time sayingno because my nose haven't been
listened to Right and I've beentaken advantage of and I have
this deep fear that due to my,my, my actual physical body size
, that I can be swooped up andtaken away and raped at any time
.
So I have a hard time goinginto public spaces without
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someone with me, because that'sa reality.
That's part like.
Life isn't always safe, andthere was a time when I was like
16, 17 years old where thathappened.
Some guy picked me up, threw meover his shoulder and brought
me to his bedroom to rape me andluckily there was someone there
to get me out of the situationand that that in that instant
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that didn't happen, but it lefta mark on me right Like.
It left a mark that, like mynose, aren't going to be heard.
Then I was date rape.
My nose wasn't heard Right andso when we have these and you
know women, we it's.
We have been molested, we havebeen raped, we have been
sexually assaulted and many menhave as well Right Like, and so
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that's why it always comes backto.
Can we start with aself-pleasure practice?
Can we start with me myself andI?
Can we create a safe and sacredcontainer for me to touch me,
to explore me first, right, andI love that.
We have beautiful, energetichealing tools now available to
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us, like the Yoni egg, like theYoni wand, that can help us heal
some of the somatic trauma inour Yonis right, like I'm a huge
advocate for doingself-pleasure practices and
exploration and holding spacefor your own healing and
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learning how to move throughthose body energetic charges
that we're holding onto right.
So what is that like for you?
Like, where in your body do youneed a love on fully and
completely?
And I think, when we can bereally truly honest and
vulnerable with ourselves?
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And if you're in a marriage, ifyou're in a partnership, if
you're in a committedrelationship, can we have those
vulnerable conversations withour partner?
And what does it tell us whenthat answer is no, and sometimes
that answer is I need to workon my own self first.
Maybe they are open to it butyou're not ready to go there.
Maybe you need to work with atherapist or a sex therapist,
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and that is okay.
Asking for help is okay and I'ma huge advocate for that as
well.
Like, if you are struggling withyour no, if you're struggling
and developing your own innermasculine of what you're
available for and what you'renot, what that solar plexus area
of this is who I am, this iswhat I believe, these are my
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values.
If those feel wishy-washy toyou.
Let's start there.
You know I think that and italways had like I'm a huge
advocate of solar plexus workand I always have been.
I have been huge into fiery,shamanic work for a long time.
It has only been recently thatI really dipped in deeper into
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that sacral, femininity, juicy,sensual space, because I had so
much things I needed to burnaway.
I needed to really get clear onthis is what my values are,
these are what my standards are,this is what my priorities are,
this is who I am, this is whoI'm not.
This is what I'm available for,this is what I'm not available
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for.
I had to work through all ofthat to then really sink into
great.
That solar plexus energy hascreated my container for myself
so that that divine femininewithin me could blossom, could
unfold, that could swim in theenergy and in that.
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I think that's just a beautifulprocess.
And so when we starteddeveloping soul rising, there
was a lot of solar plexusinformation, there was a lot of
solar plexus activating actions.
There was so much in there andwe really want to discover the
limiting beliefs and where theycame from, right, and and then
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it's like, okay, when we've donethat work, when we're entering
into the sacral chakra, work,like, how are we opening up the
space to create the foundationsso that our femininity, our flow
, our breath, work, can thenmove forward and move this
energy around and circulatethrough the body?
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Because, as you probably know,like we, none of us are perfect,
are perfect, none of us havethis perfect aligned chakras.
Right, like, we all have stuff.
We all have stuff, and I'm justa huge advocate for doing the
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interpersonal work, to doing theself-advocacy work, to to
understanding our bodies, tounderstanding where things are
stuck and then finding our flowfrom there.
Right, and so I'm, I'm real, Iwas really blessed to have my
tantrum mentor enter into mylife when she did and, um, if
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you didn't catch the podcast onthe priestess path with Kashi,
like, go check out that episode,she is amazing.
And it really was perfect,perfect, perfect timing.
Because I was in a relationshipthat wasn't healthy and I
didn't have my boundaries clearand I was being sexually groomed
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for things that I didn't wantand I didn't know I didn't want
it because I just didn't know.
I was so confused and thatenergy of confusion should have
been a red flag.
There was a lot of red flagsthat I tried to overlook and I
think that happens to women allthe time.
It happens all the time.
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And so, by having the TantraAyahuasca ceremony and then
jumping into her power of portalclass, where you were really
working through the light andthe shadow, like doing the dance
with Persephone, of going intothe underworld, like working
with an honest energy and goinginto the underworld to really
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take off the layers in which wehold ourselves in, around the
fear of rejection, around fearof abandonment, around fear like
all of these fears that we,that we cloak ourselves in and
in that fear of rejection, ofthat fear of they're not going
to like me, of that fear of, um,like I want their approval in
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some way, then we, then we, wecan get caught up in these
unhealthy relationships.
And by doing that work, it was,uh, it allowed me to go.
Oh, my goodness, I know why Iattracted this relationship, I
know why I'm in this unhealthyrelationship.
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I know what is happening andwhat I'm available for, what I'm
not, and it was a fucking messyprocess.
It was a really messy processand, um, and I really needed to
learn a lesson.
Uh, and the lesson really was Ilove myself more than whatever
the fuck this is.
And it took a long time to getthere and in retrospect it
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wasn't a long time.
I was only in this relationshipfor seven months.
But in that process of I lovemyself more, that was the
underlying lesson that I learned.
I had to get to this point of Ilove myself more than and I
love myself so incredibly deeplythat I'm not available for the
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drama, I'm not available for themanipulation, I'm not available
for whatever it was, whateverthat was created, whatever it
was, whatever what that wascreated, and when I could figure
that out, I love myself andthat's so.
That's huge.
So, yes, I was working throughportal of power with Kashi I was
, and then I joined her eroticalchemy group and both of these
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have an underlying tone oferotic shamanism and it all
comes into this inner lover andlearning how to love yourself
totally and completely.
So that when I was fully readyto say yes to my next
relationship, I knew that Iloved myself.
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I knew that I loved my body.
I knew that I loved my voice Ilove the sounds that I make that
I loved my body.
I knew that I loved my voice.
I love the sounds that I make,I love my light language.
I love the spirituality workthat I do.
I love, I love myself, I lovemyself and no one can shake or
break that, because that was afoundation I chose to lay and
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that I stand on every single day.
And so when I came into thatpower, right, that power allowed
my root chakra to be like I'mfucking solid I am.
My GPS system is totally in theearth, deep down into mother
Gaia, and it connects right upto my womb space, which opened
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up that sacral chakra energy,which opened up the solar plexus
of going.
This is what I'm available for,this is what I'm not, and I'm
available to move thatcompassionate heart through and
a huge amount of gratitude forhow we each show up in our
current relationship.
And then I and and to use ourvoice, right, I don't think I've
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ever felt so free, absolutely.
I don't think I've ever felt sofree than in the relationship
that I'm in now, because I feelsafe, I feel held, I feel like
whatever I say isn't gonna bejudged, it's gonna be honored,
whatever that is, and it goesboth ways.
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It goes both ways and I'm likethis is amazing.
I think this is the best,healthiest relationship I've
ever been in and it's amazing.
It's amazing.
So I think I wanted to sharethis story with you because I
think there's a lot of fear outthere, of judgment around.
I've made these bad decisions.
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I'm taking responsibility formy bad decisions of getting into
this relationship.
And, yeah, there's some of it,and there's also fucking
manipulation and gaslighting andbullshit.
That's not your fault, shithappens.
And how do we love ourselvesmore through it?
Because I spent a lot of timeand I still have moments where I
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am like and it sucks, and yetwe learn and we grow and we can
support ourselves, coming backinto an alignment of going who
am I, what do I want, how do Iwant to be treated, and can I do
that for myself first?
And so I'm sure if you guyshave followed me for a while,
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you'll notice the different, theshift that I had over the
winter.
Right, I did a huge radicalself-care, self-love series for
reason and purpose.
I needed to radically self-lovemyself to fully honor who I am
as I was entering a new lovingrelationship, and so I'm, I'm
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sharing this from my heart, I'msharing this from my soul of if
you are engaging Reiki and sextogether, know, know what, where
that lies.
If there's power dynamics,manipulation, gaslighting, any
kind of bullshit, there'squestioning.
If you're confused, if you'refeeling small, like all of those
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things, take a breath, stepback, reach out for help, love
yourself, know that you're goingto be supported and held, even
though it's going to feel yuckyand I felt yucky right.
And if you are in a loving,committed, communicative
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relationship with yourself orwith a partner, it's okay.
It's okay and I would say mypeak sexual experiences have
been very energetic, veryenergetically based, and so,
especially as sensitive empathsthat can feel energy to such an
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exquisite degree, why are wedenying ourselves if it's in a
healthy container, right?
So this is not sessions.
I'm not speaking to sessions.
I'm not speakingteacher-student relationships in
a loving partnership wherecommunication is open and you're
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speaking your desires, yourfears and your boundaries, and
they are honored Always.
These are places and spaces youmight want to explore, but
start with yourself, always,always start with yourself,
because knowing what you desire,knowing what you enjoy, knowing
where your bliss factors are,is always the first step in my
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mind.
So with that, thank you.
Thank you so much for listening.
If you have been a victim ofsexual assault, please reach out
.
I will help you get connectedto the right people and places
so that you can feel supported.
And the reason why we need tokeep talking about this is
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because it is happening.
And if we are gonna create anexpansive Reiki industry that
will continue to grow and thrive, we need to do some weeding and
we need to create spaces wheremale practitioners have a safe
place to practice if they'reconducting themselves ethically
Right.
And so, if we need to do someweeding, let's do some weeding.
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We need to get out and get inand do the dirty work.
Let's weed the fuck out of this, right, and know that that's
not happening everywhere.
And if it's not happening inyour marriage or your
partnership and this is abeautiful, blessed thing that is
easily to mix in with yoursexuality and your sensuality
(47:57):
let it be blissful.
Give yourself that, yes, yes,reiki and sexual energy can go
together.
And if it's in that healthycontainer okay, there's my rant
for today.
In that healthy container Okay,there's my rant for today.
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Thank you all so much forlistening, for taking your time
to hear the message, letting itreally settle in and feel the
feelings.
Please, please, please, shareyour comments or takeaways or
aha moments in our Facebookgroup, our Moon Rising Shamanic
Institute and our Facebook page,which is Moon Rising yeah, it's
(48:40):
Shamanic Mystics Rising.
Oh my God, that took me a hotsecond.
Mystics Rising, Moon Rising.
So come find us over there,share your thoughts, and may the
whispers of wisdom continue torise from within.
Thanks, everyone.
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from within.
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