THYROID Markers Your Doctor Ignores That Stall Metabolism and Fat Loss (Eric Osansky) | Ep 412 - Wits & Weights | Fat Loss, Nutrition, & Strength Training for Lifters

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Philip Pape (00:01):
Let's say your metabolism has slowed to a
crawl, and despite training hardand eating right, your body
composition won't budge.
Maybe you suspect your thyroid.
But every doctor you see runsbasic labs, tells you
everything's normal, and sendsyou away with advice to just eat
less and exercise more.
Meanwhile, you're exhausted,your recovery is shot, and you

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can't figure out why liftingweights and tracking isn't
working anymore.
My guest today reveals whystandard thyroid testing misses
the real problems blocking yourfat loss and muscle gain, which
markers matter for people wholift weights, and how autoimmune
thyroid conditions likeHachimoto's develop so that you
can protect and optimize yourthyroid to support your

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metabolism and fat loss goals.
Welcome to Wits and Weights,the show that helps you build a
strong, healthy physique usingevidence, engineering, and
efficiency.
I'm your host, Philip Pape, andtoday we're going to explore
why thyroid dysfunction could bea hidden barrier preventing you

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from building muscle and losingfat despite doing all the right
things.
My guest today is Dr.
Eric Ostansky, a functionalmedicine practitioner who
specializes in thyroid health,particularly hyperthyroidism,
graves disease, and autoimmuneconditions like Hachimoto's.
After being diagnosed himselfwith Graves disease in 2008, Dr.
Ostanski achieved remissionthrough natural protocols and

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has since focused his practiceon helping people address root
causes.
We love root causes.
Those are important.
The root causes of thyroiddysfunction rather than just
managing symptoms with thingslike medication or even
irreversible treatments.
He's the author of severalbooks on thyroid health and
hosts the Save My Thyroidpodcast.
Go follow that podcast ifyou're into that or if you have

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thyroid condition and want tolearn, please follow Save My
Thyroid.
Because your thyroid, veryimportant, it controls a lot of

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your metabolic rate, your energy production, your
recovery, how your body respondsto things like strength
training.
And for those of us focused onbuilding muscle, losing fat,
optimizing performance, thyroidhealth often gets overlooked
until it becomes a seriousproblem and then it stalls your
progress.
So today, you're going to learnhow thyroid dysfunction shows
up differently in people who,for example, train like we do,

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which lab markers might matterbeyond the basic TSH testing,
how training stress andlifestyle factors can trigger
autoimmune thyroid problems, andsome practical tips, as always,
that you can do to protect andoptimize your thyroid while
still pursuing all of these fungoals we have for body
composition and health.
Eric, glad to have you on Witsand Weights.
Good to see you again andwelcome to the show.

Eric Osansky (02:43):
Yeah, thanks so much, Philip.
Really excited to have thisconversation.
Yeah, definitely check out mypodcast because you're also on
the podcast.
So people need to listen to meinterviewing you.

There you go.
I let you make the plug becauseif it comes up, it comes up.
So definitely check that out.
All right.
So I've been having a lot.
Every time I have an expert onlike you these days, these days,
as in the last few months, Ireally have started off with
trying to define some basicthings.
Because I think we gloss overthat sometimes in these
conversations.
Not you, but the listeners,like, hey, I haven't heard a
thyroid expert in a while.

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What's going on with a thyroid?
Exactly what is it?
What is that gland?
Um, they might not even knowit's a gland.
What does it do?
Oh, it produces hormones.
What hormones?
Just so we have a basicunderstanding of biology as
really important foundationbefore we dive into dysfunction
and optimization.
So lay it on us, 30,000-footlevel, describe the thyroid
gland and everything about it.

Yeah.
So thyroid gland is abutterfly-shaped gland in the in
the front of the neck.
And uh it, as you mentioned,it's responsible for the
production of different thyroidhormones.
The most well-known T4 and T3.
There are other T1, T2.
We still can't test for thosein the blood, uh, even though

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there are like T2 supplementsthat some recommends uh for like
weight loss.
And but yeah, so the thyroidgland produces mostly T4 or
thyroxin, uh, approximately 90%,and then approximately 10% T3.
Uh so most of the T3 isactually produced by the
conversion of T4 into T3.

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And T3 is the active form ofthyroid hormone that actually
binds to the receptors.
And then you actually have apituitary hormone called TSH,
thyroid stimulating hormone.
So again, that's accreted bythe pituitary gland, and um, and
that communicates, thatstimulates the thyroid gland
when uh to produce thyroidhormone, or in the case of

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hyperthyroidism, the opposite,the pituitary gland will slow
down the production of TSHbecause you have too much
thyroid hormone.
So, yeah, and then you know,what we could talk, I guess, a
little bit later aboutantibodies and autoimmunity.
Um, but as far as the actualthyroid, um, yeah, as you
mentioned, I mean the thyroidthyroid hormone, there are

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thyroid hormone receptors umpretty much everywhere, just
about every cell and tissue inthe body.
So if you have too much or toolittle, that's not a good thing.
And um, yeah, it could, youknow, obviously the focus here
is going to be more on um, youknow, weight loss, muscle mass,
but yeah, like cholesterol, justto give an example.

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Like uh if you have highcholesterol on a blood test, not
to say it's always related tothe thyroid, but if you have low
thyroid, that also plays a rolein cholesterol metabolism.
And unfortunately, a lot ofmedical doctors will just resort
to statins to lower thecholesterol, but it it's
possible it could be thyroid, itcould be a low thyroid.

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So, and um, you know, it couldaffect bone density, of course,
affects the the heart.
I mean, again, you name itthyroid, thyroid hormone
definitely could um play a rolein controlling.

Yeah, and and it's just coincidentally in kind of
the center of the body, too,which you know gives you this
visual of how connected it is toeverything.
Uh just to nerd out for asecond, like in the evolution of
our species, you know, likewhat why would the thyroid
evolve?
Like, why do we really have it?
That I it's a fundamentalquestion.
What's important about thethyroid?
Because we talk so much aboutit being too high or too low and

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affecting these things, butlike, why do we even have it?

Yeah, I mean, it's a good question.
Um, nobody actually asked methat specific question as far as
why we we have the thyroid.

That's called going off script right there.

But anyway, it's a good question.
But um, I mean, the pituitarygland actually is the master
gland.
So I will say this like somepeople call the thyroid gland
the master gland, but thepituitary gland controls the
thyroid, controls the you know,the adrenals, controls the sex,
like communicates with the sexhormones.
But again, like uh, you know,the thyroid gland, we all the

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pretty much every cell tissue inthe body needs the thyroid
hormone.
And and again, it you know,it's it gets even deeper, like
down to cellular level.
But you know, I mean,metabolism is huge, of course.
There are times when we need,you know, to slow down our
metabolism.
There are times um in anutshell when we need to you

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know increase to to speed up ourmetabolism.
So I guess trying to make it asas basic as as possible, um, as
far as uh, you know, the why wehave like evolutionary wise,
you know, why we have a thyroidgland.

It's um so so like homeostate.
It sounds like it's ahomeostatic regulator, right?

Kind of, yeah, exactly.
So like balance, yeah.

Yeah, keeps you in the zone.
Okay, no, that's good.
All right, now you youpersonally had, I I alluded to
in the intro, had Graves diseaseyourself.
Definitely would love you toexplain what that is, um,
because there are definitely alot of autoimmune conditions
across the spectrum, even beyondthyroid, that are there's
misinformation about, I suppose.
But um, when you what is that?
What happened with you and yourmetabolism and your you know

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physical health, fitness, all ofthat, and how did that connect
to uh systematic things that youthen started exploring and
going down the rabbit hole withthyroid health?

Yeah, so graves disease is um like Hashimoto's,
Hashimoto's is the most common,more of the common thyroid
condition, and it's autoimmune.
So graves also autoimmune andum involves hyperthyroidism.
And I mean, I don't so you wantdo you want me to talk about my
story, like how I was diagnosedwith graves or just kind of
what it is, like what yeah, alittle bit of what it is, but

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I've absolutely want tounderstand how it affected you,
you know, like yeah.
I mean, because actually whatprior to being diagnosed, I was
trying to lose weight.
I was uh, you know, 182 pounds,usually like to be like between
165 and 170.
And so I was dieting, I wasdetoxifying, I was
over-training.

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I didn't really, I should haveknown better, but I wasn't
really paying attention andlistened to my body.
And so I was losing weight.
And then, you know, eventuallylosing losing a lot of weight.
Little did I know was some ofit at least related to the
hyperthyroidism.
And then over uh eventually Iwas walking around in a retail
store.
They had one of those automatedblood pressure machines.

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I took my blood pressure, whichwas normal, but my resting
heart rate was a little bithigh, it was 90 beats per
minute.
And I was just thinking, well,maybe it's because I'm just
walking around, but then Imeasured my heart rate the next
few days, and it was anywherebetween 90 and 110 beats per
minute.
And I'm like, okay, something'swrong here.
And then uh went to a primarycare doctor, got diagnosed with

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uh with hyperthaurism initially,eventually went to an
endocrinologist, got diagnosedwith graves.
And so, yeah, like thehyperthaurism in my case, it
increased my resting heart rate,caused palpitations, uh, lost
42 pounds.
So I dropped down to 140, whichagain um a lot less than I
wanted to be.
Uh, had an increased appetiteuh and um increased bowel

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movements.
Uh just uh I mean, I didn'thave anxiety, but a lot of
people have anxiety with theelevation and thyroid hormones.
Um hair loss is common.
Uh so um, so yeah, but I mean,again, the the weight loss was
big.
And a lot of, I mean, it'sfunny, it's funny and not funny,
not funny, because most of thepeople I work with are women,

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and that's sometimes is the onebenefit, you know, that they're
like, well, at least I lostweight.
And then some people don't loseweight with graves, you know,
for different reasons.
And when they don't loseweight, they're frustrated
because it's like it's badenough having graves, but I
can't even like lose weight.
One uh quote unquote benefit ofit, right?

Yeah, I see.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it it followslogically in general when we
talk again, hype hyperoverproduction with graves
versus hypo, like Hashimoto'sunderproduction, where you hear
there's like weight lossresistance because the thermic
regulator, your metabolism is tdampened and in graves, it
sounds like it could beaccelerated, but that's not
necessarily a great thingbecause then it higher heart

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rate, all those other things.

Exactly.

So is that was that kind of the trigger for you to
learn about this and theneventually expand your own scope
of of knowledge?
Is that what led to why you dothis today?

Yeah, definitely.
I mean, prior to this, I reallyhad no experience with graves
at all.
Yeah, I was uh my background isa chiropractor and I was just
uh practicing regularchiropractic and and just you
know, just even thoughchiropractic goes beyond uh neck
and back pain.
But yeah, uh really um, but Iwill say for my CE credits, uh I

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always used to attend and evencurrently it's attend
nutritional and functionalmedicine seminars rather than
like chiropractic techniqueseminars.
So when I attended some of theCE cred uh the seminars for my
CE credits, I learned about likethere were a few functional
endocrinology seminars thatfocused on thyroid health.
And they of course focused moreon hypothyroidism Hashimoto's

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and um also spoke aboutadrenals, not just thyroid, but
um, but they did talk a littlebit about graves and
hyperthyroidism and just um byattending those seminars, uh
look back.
So it wasn't it was 2008 when Iwas diagnosed, and it was
probably just a couple of yearsprior to that when I attended at
least the the last of thoseseminars, and uh, and I realized
that there was hope, there wasa way to address it naturally,

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to manage the symptomsnaturally, and to uh again to
address the root cause, but Ididn't have any experience of
that.
So I was at the same time kindof skeptical, skeptical, and
just was like, yeah, you know, Ihave nothing to lose.
I mean, I don't want to justtake anti-thyroid medication for
a prolonged period of time.
And then the other two optionsare radioactive iodine, which is

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ablating the thyroid cells, orthyroid surgery.
So I decided to uh change mydiet, my lifestyle, and uh not
as extreme as I did prior.
Um, but yeah, and then tookcertain supplements, did um some
testing, and um, yeah, longstory short, was able to uh
restore my health.
And yeah, and that was thedriver, that was the motivator.

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I was like, there's so manypeople out there with thyroid
and autoimmune thyroidconditions.
And unfortunately, most ofthem, I mean, this isn't a bad
thing, but I was gonna say mostof them focus on hypothalamus
Hashimoto's, but unfortunately,there's not a lot that focus on
hyperthaurism in graves.

Got it.
So you mentioned a few things Iwant to touch on because I
think people need to first knowif they even have a uh concern,
right?
And I assume it starts withsymptoms and or different types
of labs and blood work that wewant to get into, like beyond
just the typical labs intoantibodies and things like that.
But let's just start with thefact that, for example, everyone
listening, when you go into afat loss phase, if you're in a

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calorie deficit, we know thingslike that, stress on your body,
will cause changes in yourhormones, including thyroid.
We know it drops.
I don't know if you know exactnumbers.
I've seen stuff like 6% with a500 calorie deficit is kind of
an average ballpark for anaverage person with metabolic
adaptation.
And so, first of all, how do wedistinguish where whether
somebody is just having symptomsfrom their lifestyle versus an

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actual condition?
And for those listening, like,do they need to do some prep
work first?
Like, can a poor lifestyle showitself as a condition or can
you diagnose a conditionindependent of the lifestyle?
Do you know what I'm saying?

I mean, really, the official diagnosis is
probably with tests.
I mean, you could tell, like ifI think back for, you know,
with my symptoms, I could haveput the piece like now looking
back, it's like, okay, I was thesymptomless.
Yeah.
I mean, the the the moreextreme weight loss, the
increased appetite.
Again, that's not alwaysrelated to, of course, you know,
hyperthyroism.

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But then obviously with theincreased resting heart rate,
you know, and and then combinedlike the palpitations, I
honestly didn't notice untilafter the blood test, until I
still realized I had umhyperthourism.
But yeah, I mean, and withhypothyroidism, it's I mean, a
lot of people, there's othercould be other causes for
fatigue, like fatigue, weightgain are two of the more common

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symptoms.
Obviously, there are other oneslike coldness.
If someone has coldness uhalong with those symptoms, then
they could maybe start puttingthe pieces together.
But if they're just having thefatigue, the brain fog, you
know, the weight gain, it couldbe other things.
They might say, well, but it'sjust perimenopause, you know, if
they're in perimenopause, or Imean, it could be adrenals, or
of course a lot of people justblame it on poor eating, not

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enough sleep, which also, youknow, could could cause many of
those symptoms.
So sometimes it is hard hardto, I guess, as far as
diagnosing without testing, atleast in my you know, my
opinion, I I guess most peoplethat come and see me or remotely
work with me, they've alreadybeen diagnosed.
But if someone if someone hascome to me and they, you know,

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they haven't yet had bloodtests.
I mean, yeah, you could get insome cases a good idea if
someone has hyper or hypo, butbut again, there could be
overlap with other conditions.
So usually, you know, you dowant to do some testing, um, at
the very least, a basic thyroidpanel, but um usually I like to
go beyond that.

Okay, yeah, and I guess that's you're hitting on
two populations, right?
People that have already beendiagnosed and people that
haven't.
And I guess people listening,let's start with the people that
haven't, um, but they're havingsome issues.
Maybe it's it's an inability tolose fat and they're doing all
the things that that's one ofthe ones I see a lot, right?
Is just we try to go in acalorie deficit and their
adaptation is really fast.

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Um, where even if they'retracking their calories and
everything, it's like they haveto keep dropping calories really
fast and something's off.
And sometimes it's like, likeyou said, it's other hormones or
it's perimenopause and otherthings happening at the same
time.
So I guess the question isshould like everybody listening
get a thyroid, a basic thyroidpanel soon if they've never had
it?
That's the first question.
Like, just in general, shouldpeople be getting that?

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Because there's certain thingsI feel like like testosterone
for men, I feel like not enoughmen are getting it checked early
just because the medicalestablishment doesn't require
that at the moment, right?
So that's my first question.
Should everybody get theirthyroid checked at a high level?
And then when should they bemore concerned to do the testing
that I want you to explainbeyond that?

Yeah.
So to answer the firstquestion, yeah, absolutely.
You know, I think just like youknow, most medical doctors,
like if you go in for aphysical, they're gonna do a CBC
complete blood count.
Um, they'll do a comprehensivemetabolic panel, maybe a lipid
panel.
And many times it just stopsthere.
But uh, yeah, I mean, obviouslythere are other markers like
vitamin Z, I think everybodyshould get.

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You're right, like as far aslike looking at test, you know,
um testosterone and you know,sex hormones.
Yeah, so I think that everybodyshould get not just TSH, um,
because again, some some medicaldoctors will, as part of the
physical, will look at TSH,thyroid stimulating hormone.
But at the very bare minimum,should look at TSH, T4, and T3.

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And uh some doctorsunfortunately look just look at
T TSH and T4, but again, T3 isthat active form of thyroid
hormone, and you could your TSHmight be within the lab range.
Again, there's maybe not withinthe optimal range, but the
medical doctor is just lookingat the lab range.
And again, we could talk moreabout that.
But but so they'll look at TSH,they'll look at T4, both of

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them are within the lab range.
They don't test T3, and again,they conclude everything's okay.
Yet if someone has a low T3,and and again, even if they
honestly if they tested T3, T3might be on the lower side, but
still a lot of times it's withinthe range, so they still might
blow it off and say, Oh, thatlooks good too.
But your T3 might be like a2.3, whereas like optimal in the

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United States, like for free T3would be between between like,
in my opinion, like 3, 3.5.
Some will say a little bithigher.
But point is like 2.3 would below on the lower side, but
within the lab range of mostlabs.
So again, getting back to theoriginal question, yeah.
I think at the very least, TSH,free T3, free T4.
I mean, should everybody get, Imean, it's like reverse T3,

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there's antibodies.
Should everybody get the wholegamut of thora tests?
I mean, of course, I'm gonna bebiased and say like it's uh you
know, I mean, the antibodies,autoimmunity typically, I mean,
it develops before it impactsthe thora.
There's like the silentautoimmune phase, especially
with Hashimoto.
So someone could have thoseautoantibodies for five, 10, 15

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years.
So we can make the argumentthat if we're gonna choose
between thyroid a thyroid paneland antibodies, maybe we should
test the antibodies first.
But realistically, most medicaldoctors aren't gonna going to
do the whole thing just becauseyou asked them.
Many probably won't just do thewhole thyroid panel because you
asked them, they might do againa TSH, maybe a TSH uh T4.

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So most people listening willprobably have to do it on their
own, which again is fine.
I I pay for tests on my own,you know, like again, because I
don't expect insurance to covereverything.
But so yeah, I I would say,especially if you're
experiencing like what youmentioned, if like you're having
issues losing weight, gainingmuscle, you know, have maybe
having low energy.

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Um yeah, I mean, I would saynot just don't just do TSH, free
T3, free T4.
I would say also look atreverse T3, look at the thyroid
antibodies.
Um

Um look, if you're listening, we've talked about
performance blood work in thepast.
Like if you if you have if youcan afford it and have access to
it, get everything tested, likein my opinion.
But you kind of answered that,that the antibodies are
precursor, is what yousuggested, to the flare-ups or
the full condition occurring.
So chicken and egg, would youjust jump right to that?

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But try to at least get themain panel.
I think you answered thequestion.
You also alluded to ranges.
And so how would people know?
I know you mentioned numbershere on the podcast, but is it
mainly in the functionalmedicine world that they're
gonna get access to like what agood range is and getting these
tests, or will some traditionaldoctors work this as well?

Most of the time you'll have to see a functional
medicine practitioner.
I mean, every now and thenthere'll be a doctor that looks
and sees, well, you know, yourTSH is kind of on the higher
side, but what's still withinrange.
But most of the time they'rejust looking to see what's out
of the range.
And then if your TSH is like3.5, which is within most lab
ranges, but most functionalmedicine practitioners agree

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that's outside of the optimalrange.
So yeah, it's usuallyfunctional medicine that'll like
tell you what the optimalranges are or look at those
optimal ranges.

Okay.
And then for the antibodies,I'm I'm definitely familiar with
uh some of the um like therheumatoid arthritis and um
sclerosis and kind of thoseconditions where you do the ANA
titer, and then if that'spositive, then you go to the
next level.
And I personally have a weird,undiagnosed mixed connective
tissue disease that's likeantibody only with no symptoms.

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So, and I've had it for yearsand years.
So is that the process, or whatare people looking to test for
thyroid specifically?

Yeah, no, typically you don't.
Um, I mean, some people withHashimoto's graves might have a
positive ANA, but it's not likesome other, you know, autoimmune
conditions, like lupus.
Typically, you want to do anANA first, shogun's, I mean,
then yeah, some others with whatgraves, Hashimoto's, usually,
and this is just my approach,this seems to be the approach of

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most endocrinologists as well,where they're just gonna jump
into the antibody testing ifthey do it at all.
Against unfortunately, some ofthem just that they're not doing
anything for the immune system.
So some of them will just lookat the thyroid numbers and
that's it.
They won't do any um, but butagain, you like to think most of
them will at least want to geta diagnosis that okay, the

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person has Hashimoto's, theperson has graves.
Um, so yeah, usually my myapproach, if if the and let's
say if someone didn't get thetesting that they needed, um,
yeah, I wouldn't necessarily sayyou know that everybody needs
an ANA, but um, but yeah, Idefinitely would recommend to
look at the um the antibodies.
And when it comes to um thyroidautoimmunity, there's three

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types of thyroid antibodies.
Um, the most common thyroidantibody, which you probably
heard of, um TPO or thyroidperoxidase antibodies, which uh
more commonly associated withHashimoto's, but a lot of people
with graves also have thoseantibodies.
Um, thyroid peroxidase is anenzyme that's important for the
production of thyroid hormones.

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So it is more closelyassociated with damaging, like
so it's more people are morelikely to become hypo if they
over time if they have those TPOantibodies.
You have also thyroidglobulinantibodies, and those are more
specific to Hashimoto's.
And then you have thyroidstimulating amnoglobulins, which
are a type of TSH receptorantibodies.

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So they bind to attack the TSHreceptors of the thyroid, and
that leads to the excessproduction of thyroid hormone.
And those, of course, are theones that are associated with
graves.
And quickly, it's also worthmentioning that some people have
all three antibodies.
So it's not uncommon for peopleto have antibodies for both
Hashimoto's and graves.

Interesting.
Okay, so thyroid peroxidase,TPO, thyroid globulin, and
thyroid stimulatingimmunoglobulin that we just TSI.
Ah, look at that.
Good thing I'm writing my notesas we talk.
I love this stuff.
All right, great.
So that kind of autoimmunity,then I think you talk sometimes
about like there are triggersfor this, right?
It's not like how much of it isgenetic and kind of unexplained

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versus we know there aretriggers potentially where
someone isn't there at thispoint, they can do something
about it, say with theirlifestyle diet or what have you.

Yeah.
I so I wrote one of the booksI've written, Hashimoto's
triggers.
Um you know, again, there'sit's it's almost what is it,
like 500 and something pages.
So again, there's a lot of alot of different triggers, but
to make it easier, I talk aboutfour categories of triggers.
So food, stress, environmentaltoxins, intoxicants, and

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infections.
Um, some people say, well, howabout nutrients?
Well, nutrient deficiencies tome are more like underlying
imbalances.
I don't really like call themtriggers.
I guess you could call themtriggers, but but either way,
like food, such as gluten, um,is probably the most common you
hear um most functional medicinepractitioners, especially those
that uh work with a lot of umautoimmune thyroid patients, uh

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and glute, you know, gluten.
Not everybody has a sensitivityto gluten, um, but even if they
don't, studies have shown, atleast one study 2015 showed that
it can can increasepermeability in everybody, even
if you don't have a sensitivity.
Um, I mean, obviously, ifsomeone has celiac disease, yes,
they definitely want to bestrictly avoiding gluten, even

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like cross-contamination.
But while someone's healing,especially, I would say you want
to avoid gluten.
I mean, I recommend avoidingcommon allergens, gluten, taking
a break from dairy, taking abreak from corn, um, foods like
that or food categories.
But um stress.
So I mentioned so I mentionedovertraining.
So there could be eitheremotional or physical uh stress

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and um, you know, stressdysregulates the immune system,
causes a pro-inflammatory umstate.
It um decreases secretory IgA,which lines the mucosal surfaces
of the of the gastrointestinaltract, making someone more
susceptible to infections, whichis one of the other um triggers
that I mentioned.
Uh and um also, I mean, thisisn't a trigger, but um, and we

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can talk about this after oneway also as far as weight gain,
stress, you know, affecting likecortisol, affecting conversion
of T4 to T3.
So if you have a lot of chronicstress, that could lead to
lower T3 levels, which alsocould um cause weight gain.
So, yeah, stress and again,overtraining, over-exercising,
you know, also could be astressor.
Uh, environmental toxins,toxicants, uh, huge in this day

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and age, um, something we can'tcompletely avoid.
And they um and some of them,some of them are autoimmune,
potential autoimmune triggers,heavy metals such as mercury.
Now, xenoestrogens are fun, youknow, because they they could
also, again, this is justopinion, but in the literature,
they also could affectautoimmunity, but they also are

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endocrine disrupting chemicalstoo.
So, um, so for bisphenol A,BPA, microplastics can directly
affect the thyroid gland, uh,disrupt the thyroid gland.
And yeah, so it could disruptthe thyroid gland, causing low
thyroid, could causeautoimmunity, being a factor
with graves, Hashimoto's.
Um, there's mold, mycotoxinsthat fall within the category.

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Uh, you know, then infections,different infections, viruses,
uh, bacteria such as H.
pylori, Lyme disease, uh, Imean, getting back to viruses
during the pandemic, wedefinitely had a lot of people,
a lot more people than usualwith graves.
And I think Hashimoto's too,um, but again, we saw a lot more

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with graves, but that's alsobecause we focus more on seeing
people with graves disease.
But I think even if you look atthe research, like in PubMed,
you'll see with COVID, um,greater likely to develop graves
compared to Hashimoto's.
Um, Epstein Barr, there's thatrelationship for both graves and
Hashimoto's is potentiallybeing a trigger.
Yeah.

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So again, those are um the fourcategories and some of the
different um things within thosecategories that could um be
triggers.

Yeah.
Uh, and everything you justdescribed sounds like it's
associated with all the thingsthat the fitness industry is
either trying to get more intoand understand or fearmonger
about, depending on the the sideof the industry you're on,
right?
Because we you could hear thatlist and say, like, oh, geez, I
shouldn't even just go out inthe world at all because I want
to get an issue.
Things like environmentaltoxins, right, are interesting

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because I'm trying to learn moreabout that myself, Eric,
because there has been a lot ofmisinformation in that world and
there's detox and there'sthere's lots of buzzwords that
aren't like scientificallydefined the right way, in my
opinion.
But like you mentioned, heavymetals and you know, chocolate
has a lot of natural cadmium init.
And people don't realize stufflike that.
And you're like, geez, evenkind of things that we don't

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consider quote unquoteunhealthy.
I mean, people, you know, milkchocolate, a lot of sugar,
somebody might say maybe youshould be eating that.
But even just pure cocoa hascadmium from the ground or from
the tree, right?
From the cocoa bean.
And then um, you know, ourcookware and and our uh beauty
products, and like you just hearstories, it's like, where do
you even begin with all that?
And I like you said, you can'tavoid it all.
So the question with somethinglike that is what's your 80-20

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approach to dealing with thatwithout just like throwing
everything out of your house andliving like a nomad in the
woods, right?
So just on environmental toxinswithout making a whole separate
episode, Eric, like if you hadto pick the top three that most
people are exposed to, that's asimple change in their life,
what would they be?

Yeah, I mean, definitely pure water, you know,
just uh and not out of plasticwater bottles.
Um, so just uh, I mean, we havereverse osmosis.
And I mean, that's controversybecause it removes the minerals,
but you could always add backminerals, but it also removes
pretty much all the toxins andtoxicants.
But you know, you could alsoget a good quality spring water

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out of a glass bottle likeMountain Valley Springs.
I mean, that's another option.
But either way, you don't wantyou want to avoid tap water, you
want to avoid water out ofplastic bottles.
So that would be number one,the the biggest change they they
can make.
And then um, I mean, youmentioned, I think you mentioned
like um cosmetics, likecleaners, cosmetics.
I mean, those are also thesecond change and um that people

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can make um because most ofmost of our exposure is within
our own home.
I mean, obviously we get alsoexposures outside, but even so,
there's so only so much we coulddo once we walk out of our
home.
But you know, we I guessdepends on the person how much
time we spend in our own home.
So, but again, the cosmeticscleaners that we use every day,
they're our natural alternalternatives.

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I mean, yeah, they're gonna bea little bit pricey, but you
could also make your own.
And again, it's not like food.
I mean, or obviously organicfood, you know, you could go
through that really quickly.
But if you with your cosmetics,I mean, you're probably maybe
not the best discussion with meand you because we're guys and
we probably don't use as manycosmetics compared to like
woman, but I was gonna say that.

Like, I just keep it simple.
That's my that's my solution.
Just don't do it, use many ofthem.

Yeah, but but again, even you know, my wife, I
mean, it's not like she'sordering.
I mean, she probably isordering every week, but they're
different ones, like whatevershe, you know.
But again, like use naturalshampoos, natural, you know,
again, use you know, body creamsor whatever you use.
I mean, there's again a naturaloption.
And start, I mean, just startwith one or two to begin with,

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if you have to.
Again, if you're like, youknow, if you're using like 15,
20 different ones, I know it'syou're probably not gonna swap
all of them at once.
Maybe use one or two that youuse the most.
And um, and you can visit umenvironmental working group, I
think ewg.org, um the skin deepwebsite, um, like to see like if
the because again, just becauseit says natural doesn't mean it

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you gotta also become an expertin reading ingredients, but you
can use uh labels.
Yeah, so exactly.
So um, and then I mean there'sa few different things.
I mean, I guess we could saypure air, like you get a pure
air purifier or a couple of airpurifiers in your home,
depending on how big your homeis.
But even again, if you juststart with one, like a HEPA air

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purifier and put it in the roomwhere like you know, I guess if
you have kids and all that, it'sit's hard because again, you
want I I was gonna say thebedroom is where you probably
spend most of the time, like atleast hopefully seven, eight
hours.
But then again, if you havekids, you're probably gonna, but
you could if you could onlystart out if if you could only
afford one, you could alsorotate it, like put it in your,

(32:27):
you know, like your kids' roomone one night, you know, put in
your room another night if youabsolutely have to.
I mean, the ideal situationwould be to have multiple air
filters, but yeah, I would say,you know, clean clean water,
cosmetics, air, again, notnecessarily in that order.
We could say air maybe beforethe cosmetics.
I mean, so yeah, and then afourth one, and again, not

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necessarily in number four, wecan bump this up to, but I
mentioned the food, like maybetrying to eat more organic food,
less especially fruit,vegetables, and and meats.
And um, yeah, so I would saythose I'll say that those are my
top four.

Yeah, no, it's great.
Like you said, if there's ifit's 500 pages of triggers and
each of these categories, youprobably have like 20 episodes
on each on your podcast.
You know what I mean?
It's just so, so detailed.
So we're not gonna solve all ofthat today.
It's more of an awareness sothat people understand that
there are multifactorial reasonsto care about what's going in

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your mouth, what you're doing,managing your stress.
I like that you mentioned, youknow, both the emotional and
physical stress, because I thinkstress also is a big catch-all.
And I feel like, I don't know,20 years from now, are we gonna
have much more nuance when wesay stress?
Because there's like the stressresponse itself is so complex
and like fundamental to thehuman body that there's even

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perceived stress, Eric.
Like the more I work withclients just like you do, I'm
sure the way people frame thingsand their psychology around
stress and things in their lifetend to affect the stress
response inside their body.
Right.

Oh, yeah.
Well, I yeah, and I thinkthat's I mean, that's even more
important than the stressoritself, because you're right.
I mean, you have two peoplewith identical stressors, and
it's really does come down tothe perception of the stressor
if someone is, you know, just uhmore laid back, and you know,
the whole saying don't sweat thesmall stuff, but even if,
again, even sometimes like bigstressors, I mean, that there

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some people just do a better jobof handling the stress.
And again, their perception ofthe stress, everybody's
perception of the stress isdifferent.
So, yeah, that's an excellentpoint.

And and where is that line of stress when it
comes to what we call the goodstressors, right?
The hormetic stressors liketraining uh and exercise, where
you know, your message of notovertraining is also one that I
have a lot.
And very often uh I'll see aclient with adrenal issues, with
stress issues, they'remedicated, and they just have to
strip out a lot of what they'redoing and just simplify.

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And all of a sudden it unlocksa new era of low stress, growth,
better hormones, uh, and eventhe building muscle.
They go to the gym now threedays a week instead of seven,
and they start building moremuscle because they're not so
stressed and underrecovered.
So, where's that line so thatpeople can self-diagnose or
figure out where that is?

Yeah, I mean, it's a good question.
You know, I mentioned earlier alot of it comes down to
listening to your body, youknow, like they're you know, so
because again, sometimes it ishard to know like, are you
overdoing it?
And um, and and and again, thisis also where your expertise
comes in.
So, and I think I asked youwhen you're on my podcast, like,
how long should people trainfor?
Like, if someone's, you know,at the gym for or even at home

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working out, you know, for liketwo hours straight, that might
be a little bit too much, in myopinion.
Now, maybe maybe for somepeople it's not, but I mean, I
guess when I dealt with gravesand I was, or actually before,
prior to my graves diagnosis,and I was over exercising after
my workout, and I wasn't workingout for two hours, you know.
I was maybe working out for anhour, so which is what kind of

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what I do now.
The difference is I was doingmore cardio than than you know,
uh and high intensity, not notnecessarily high intensity
interval training, but just highintensity, like just going all
out, you know, on the rowingmachine and running, you know,
just on just and just yeah, Iwas wiped out.
So that's not a good sign, too.
Like, you know, it when you'redone with your workout, in my

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opinion, you should feel likeyou could do more.
That doesn't mean younecessarily should do more, but
you feel like, you know, I feelgood, I feel like I got a great
workout in.
But you know, if I had to goanother 20, 30 minutes, I could
do that, you know, and also it'sa good sign when you work out.
Like again, I I I do most ofthe time I go, I do have some
equipment at home, but most ofthe time I go to the gym.

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And when I'm done, I could justwalk out.
I don't have to like sit downand rest and you know, and and
catch my breath for for a fewminutes before heading out, so
which again ties into the firstone where you could do more.
So that's so so there areobvious signs.
I mean, sometimes it might notbe that obvious, but I think
those, I mean, and again, I loveto get your your feedback with

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this, but I think again, justreally listening to your body.
Not I'm not against cardio, Ido cardio, but just again, not I
think that's more people do itwith overdo it with the cardio.
But I'm sure you also seepeople doing it overdoing it
with um maybe weight trainingtoo, and just again, maybe doing
an hour and a half, two hoursof weight training.

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And again, may some peoplemight be fine doing that, other
people not fine.

Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it depends on the modeand and like an hour and a half
for some of the big, you know,powerlifting type guys is is not
a big deal because they'retaking so much rest.
But yeah, I like your litmustest actually there for how do
you feel at the end of yourworkout?
Because I personally didCrossFit for like eight years,
and I would say 10% pro, 90% conout of that experience.

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Um, number one, because Iprobably got some long-lasting
injuries and nagging thingsgoing on because of high reps,
constant muscular endurance,never taking a break, and then
doing things with terrible formin the interest of speed, you
know, can all exacerbate yourstress on your body as well.
But if you're falling down andyou have to like lay on your

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back for 10 minutes before youeven move after workout, that's
probably a good sign it's overstressful.
I think of that like if you'recompeting, you know, or if
you're powerlifting competitionor whatever, that's where you're
pushing a max, and that's likean extreme, right?
Or if you did a marathon,that's an extreme.
That's the few and far between,not the every single training
session.
So listen, listen to what Ericis saying because that just is a

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very simple metric where nexttime you go to the gym, if
you're just completely wiped,think about what that means and
and where you could potentiallydial back.
So I agree.
Other than that, it's like, areyou able to go into the gym the
next session feeling prettyfresh?
And are you not feeling overlysore?
Because you shouldn't bechasing soreness either.
That's a different, a differentthing.

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Anyway, you're my guest on thepodcast.
I don't want to do all thetalking here, but yeah, yeah,
no, that's good stuff.
So what else about thyroid?
There's a lot about thyroid wecould talk about.
Um, I think you hit on earlierthe treatment for thyroid.
I think it's important to touchon because you talk about you
know natural approaches, whichwe love here.
Um, but I know there youthere's radioactive iodine,

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there's surgery, there's thingsthat just destroy or remove the
thyroid, right?
What's the spectrum look likein terms of treatment options?
Which ones are you more, youknow, in favor of if people can
do it, versus cautious of?

Yeah.
So, and of course it variesdepending on whether someone has
hypothyroidism Hashimoto's orhyperthyroidism grave.
So, like with Hashimoto's, it'sum or low thyroid, typically
it's um thyroid hormonereplacements, is what most
conventional medical doctorsrecommend.
And and also a lot offunctional medicine doctors.
There definitely is a time andplace for thyroid hormone

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replacements.
But you know, just um as Imentioned earlier, it depends on
what's going on with thethyroid.
And sometimes they just look atthe TSH and they make that
determination.
TSH is is elevated.
So let's just give You somelevo thyroxin, which is
synthetic T4.
And again, they might not lookat maybe they will also look at
the T4, um, but they won't lookat the T3.

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And if the T4 is looking good,T3 is low, giving more T4 isn't
necessarily the answer.
Now, you could say then there'salso synthetic T3, like
cytomal, that you could give, oryou could give desiccated
thyroids, such as armor, um NPthyroid, you know, are two of
the more common um prescriptionsuh options out there.
There's also like thyroidglandulars, too, that have some

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T4, T3 that you could kind ofget on your own without a
doctor's prescription.
But either way, I mean, there'sa time and place for that.
But you of course want to tryto address the underlying cause
of the problem, even if you doneed thyroid hormone
replacements.
I mean, if it's Hashimoto's,you want to address the
autoimmune component.
Some people will still need toremain on thyroid hormone even

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when addressing the immunesystem.
But some people actually couldget off of it or might need a
decreased dose.
But again, most medical doctorsjust say be on the thyroid
hormone.
They're not doing anything forthe immune system in the case of
Hashimoto's.
And then again, when it's likenon-autoimmune and you have that
conversion problem, T4 to T3conversion, it's like, well, why
do you have the conversionproblem?
Why do you, you know, ratherthan just again, even if they

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give T4 and T3 a desiccator,that's covering both bases.
And again, maybe the persondoesn't need T4 if it looks
good, but still they'lltypically give it.
The TSH is high.
Um, they usually won't justgive T3 alone.
But yeah, anyway, so that'stypically what we're looking at
with hypotharism Hashimoto's asfar as treatment.
Uh with um with hyperthaurismgraves, I mentioned the three

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options antithyroid medication,radioactive idiot and thyroid
surgery.
But what I didn't mention iswhen I dealt with graves, I
actually took an herbal approachto symptom management while
adjusting the cause of theproblem.
So I used uh an herb calledbugleweed, which I don't know if
you ever heard of.
It's not one of the morepopular herbs out there, but um,
so bugleweed is an herb thathas antithyroid properties.

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And um I took that and it and Inoticed it helping probably
within the first week.
Um, I mean, symptom-wise.
So that's where you're askinglike symptoms versus testing,
and I didn't know for sure, youknow, if um if it like I didn't
know like what my thyroid, ofcourse, looked like, but when I
took it, I was measuring myresting heart rate, and I

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noticed my heart rate wasdecreasing while taking a
bugweed.
I was still having somepalpitation, so I also added
another herb called motherwart,which is uh kind of like a
natural beta block, or notexactly.
I mean, it hel helps supportthe cardiovascular system, um,
has other functions as well.
But um, but yeah, so I tookbugoweed as well as um

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motherwort.
And then those are what I took,but you you're probably well
familiar with L-carnitine.
So I wanted to bring upL-carnitine too, because there
are some studies uh related tohyperthaurism.
Usually it's not, you know,like when you hear about
L-carnitine, it's like tosupport like fatty acid
oxidation and other benefits.
But yeah, there are some stuff,there are actually a few

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studies.
Uh, there's one, actually a fewolder studies, um, and not like
really old, but showing thathigher amounts of L-carnitine,
like 2,000 to 4,000 milligrams,could block the entry of thyroid
hormone into the cell.
So it could actually act aslike kind of antithyroid.
Um, and then a more recentstudy from August 2025 showed

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that taking just only 500milligrams of L-carnitine when
combined with selenium, and thiswas specific to Graves
patients, show that these peopleneeded less thy less
medication, less um methymazolein their cases, and then um also
helped with the thyroidantibodies.
So L-carnitine, another option.
Lemon balm is something else,another is an herb that commonly

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recommended for those withhyperthyroidism has kind of like
a calming effect.
Um, so there are definitelynatural options.
And then um one other thingI'll I'll throw out there, which
you might have had other umguests speak about, maybe uh
LDN, low dose naltrexone.
I don't know if um so which uhfor both graves and Hashimoto's
and other autoimmune conditions,it can modulate the immune

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system.
And uh, I mean it's not doinganything for the cause of the
problem, but neither is anythingelse that I just mentioned.
I mean, we're just talkingabout more natural options,
they're not doing anything forthe cause.
But you know, so LDN, the goodnews, it's it's helping to
modulate the immune system.
The the bad news is if likesomeone's taking LDN and they're

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also trying to do things toimprove their immune system
health, like lower antibodiesnaturally, it might be hard to
know if they're taking LDNbecause LDN could lower the
body.
Yeah, I see.
So but as soon as they're offthe LDN, they usually the
antibodies will eventuallyincrease.

All right.
So along those lines, I wasactually thinking um you talked
about triggers and uh food anddiet and exercise and training.
Is be is being too lean aproblem for someone with higher
thyroid issues, or can it causeit?
And I mean like beingexcessively lean, like
bodybuilding stage lean.

Yeah, I mean, yes.
I mean the answer, I mean, ifyou're if you're too lean, that
um definitely could um be aproblem from uh from a thyroid
standpoint.
Um also an adrenal standpoint,too.
We really haven't spoken much.
I I did mention a little bit ofcortisol, but um, but yeah, you
you know, we this day and age,of course, there's a lot more

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talk about like obesity andprompted obesity, which
obviously that's that's anissue.
But yeah, you know, when I uh II'll I'll say though, in my
practice, when I see I see a lotof that, but it's mostly not
people being too lean from likeworking out or dieting.
But again, in my case, I see itlike in my situation, like
hyperthyroism.
There's a lot of work with alot of women where they're and

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that's not good either.

That's uh like uncontrolled weight loss, right?
Is what you're saying.
A little bit different, butyou're talking about actually
like it's not somebody who'sdeliberately being lean, and and
and in some cases there's asituation where they you know
they're afraid to gain weight ordon't want to gain weight, they
want to stay lean, but thenthey have a thyroid issue, and
you know, my first thought isgain some weight and let's see
how that helps.

Like intermittent fasting.
I mean, that also like I'm Idon't have anything against
intermittent fasting, but ifsomeone's doing like a you know,
like 20, like a four-houreating window, you know, every
day, it's just 20 hoursstressful, right?
And that, you know, could beresponsible for like the thyroid
getting lower and not you know,just um, so yeah, that could
that I don't know if you'd saytrigger, I guess you could say

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trigger, like underlying cause,you know, so not like a trigger
like autoimmune trigger, but asfar as a factor causing the you
know, like the low thyroid.
So, yeah, certainly if someoneis um like really restricting
calories, that could be a bigfactor.
I mean, you sometimes we seethat with um again, I'm not that
I have a lot of people thatfollow a ketogenic diet, but
ketogenic diet can can have thatuh impact on thyroid.

Yeah, no, I I ask because it is an avatar that's
out there, and it's like we knowwe know that thyroid is is
downregulated through a caloriedeficit itself, but that's kind
of a normal response.
It's once you've leaned out andand then you try to stay lean.
I I know there are negativeset, and we know that from the
physique world, but you know, Ithink some people are in denial

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that they should just gainweight and maybe that will help,
you know, kind of recover.
Uh, and there's there'ssometimes reasons for that body
dysmorphia and other stuff thatwe have to deal with.
But the fasting thing is aninteresting one because I'm
seeing more online now about arecent big meta-analysis that
came out.
And I first came to myattention from Alan Aragon
because he posted about it thatshowed uh, you know,

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inflammatory markers measured byblood, you know, can go up with
prolonged fasting, which is nota huge surprise.
We many of us know that it's astressful thing, but there's
such a narrative about fastingbeing this wonderful thing for
reasons that are not supportedthat it's important to mention
the downsides.
So uh last thing, Eric, uh, isI was thinking you're an expert

(47:58):
in the space, you've been in itfor uh a long time now, like 15
years plus, I want to say,right?
Uh since you're a condition,basically.
You've written books, you hostthe podcast.
Is there something you've hearda lot?
Okay, so you've heard a lot.
Is there something aboutthyroid health that either
people are not talking about ornot acknowledging enough, or you
wish more people knew, if thatmakes sense?

Yeah, that's that's a that's a really good
question.
I mean, most of what we spokeabout here.
I mean, the triggers are wellthat's true.
I mean, that's um, yeah, Imean, you know, if I had to like
pick one, because there are alot of things, again, I I'll go
back to you know, the toxins andtoxicants.
I mean, you do hear more likein the functional medicine
space, of course, about theplastics and the microplastics,

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but you know, the glyphosate,things like, you know, so but
unfortunately, you just stillsee people like you know, um,
people still don't payattention.
I mean, even at the you know,like you go to the gym, for
example.
Again, I don't know if you workout at home or at the gym, you
work out at home, right?
I think at home, but I've beento gyms.
But if you go to the gym again,you'll see a lot of people
still carrying their likeplastic water bottles that might

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be, you know, either sometimesjust regular plastic water
bottles that you know have theBPA, sometimes it's the BPA-free
um water bottles that also havelike the BPS, the like they
have other structural analogsthat act like BPA, so they're
still endocrine disruptingchemicals.
And then not the gym I go todoesn't have this, but you know,
some like you know, whencleaning the machines, they have

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like the sprays, like you know,so people are spraying all
over.
Like I so I guess the bigthing, and again, this probably
is going beyond the thyroid, butI guess the point is like a lot
of these things are endocrinedisruptors, thyroid disruptors,
um, also other hormones too, notjust the thyroid, but since
we're focusing on the thyroid,but but again, like I said, they
they have dual effects, they'renot only disrupting the

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thyroid.
Well, actually, I should saymore than two effects, because
some of these likemicroplastics, um, bisphenol A.
So I mentioned endocrinedisrupting chemicals affecting
thyroid directly and otherhormones.
Um, I mentioned also beingpotential trigger for
autoimmunity, but they alsocould increase permeability of
the gut, you know, as well.

Um which is linked to the thyroid and many other
things.
Yeah.

Disrupt the gut microbiome, which yeah, affects
the thyroid, but affects likeagain, if you have another thing
too, if you have one autoimmunecondition, more likely to
develop other autoimmuneconditions in the future.
So I mean, I'm I'm going off ona tangent here, but I guess the
chemicals is still somethingthat you know you don't hear
enough about.
You don't see, you know, youstill you see people do, I mean,

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people I think are definitelyeating cleaner.
A lot of people are eatingcleaner, and you do see, I
guess, people at least trying toattempt to drink cleaner water.
But again, too much are toomany people are buying water by
the case, you know, still likeplastic water bottles by the
case, and you know, still um,you know, spraying their lawn
with, you know, using thingsthat have glyphosate in there.

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And again, the cosmetics too.
I mean, a lot of people are areswitching to natural cosmetics,
but still, I mean, most of thepeople I know, like when I just
meet people randomly, you know,like outside of the functional
medicine space, they're usuallynot doing that.
And, you know, they'refascinated when I have
conversations about thesethings, and it's like, yeah,
just uh so so not enough.

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So I would say that's one thingthat I talk about all the time.
Um, one of the things I talkabout all the time that still
most people aren't doing.

Yeah, what what comes to mind?
This is just anecdotal, becauseyou said it's not talked about
outside functional medicine.
First of all, the incentives wehave in place and the
environment we have in place isalways a huge force, right?
Including our food environment.
We know that there's so muchpressure and economic incentive.
And I don't mean that in aconspiratorial way.
I just mean like you're gonnabuy the case, the tub of water

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because it's cheaper and it'smore readily available.
So that's an economicincentive.
People are tired and notwanting to think about this
stuff, too, as much as, youknow, I think another thing is
they don't see the results.
This is one of those thingsthat's mysterious and I'll say
has like, I guess, longer-termimpacts on your health that are
harder to measure.
Whereas like you go to the gymfor a few weeks and you look

(52:09):
better in the mirror, you know,that's going to be a
self-reinforcing pattern.
So if we can connect some ofthese behaviors to the blood
work, the thyroid, the thingsthat are measurable, perhaps
that'll be a way to do it.
I did an episode not long agoabout um cookware in the
kitchen, like talking about thePIFAs in your non-toxic pans,
because my wife hasn't wanted touse non-toxic pans for a long

(52:29):
time.
And I used to be the guy thatwas like, eh, it's, you know,
and then the more I looked intoit, the more of holy crap, this
is this stuff is is so I justmade eggs today in my uh the
chef's foundry was one of oursponsors.
So I got some pans from them,and they're like the not the
ceramic, you know, non-topnon-stick um without the stuff.
Uh, but yeah, what so glasswater bottles, um, glass, if

(52:51):
you're gonna microwave usingglass, like I think that's a
good idea.
Uh, all that stuff isimportant.
It's just a matter of awarenessand the pocketbook and how
important it is to you, and howimportant you think it's
actually make moving the needle,right?
All what we're trying to do,right, Eric?

Yeah, exactly.
Uh, I I do agree.

So, anyway, where can people find you?
Because it's been a coolconversation.
I want to, I'll definitely umsend them to your podcast.
And uh, where else do you wantthem to look you up?

Yeah, so yeah, the the podcast.
Um, there's um, I mean, mybooks, uh, the I think you
mentioned them in the beginning.
Three, I have three books onAmazon, two of them related to
hyperthourism, um, one of themrelated to Hashimoto's.
Uh, we're chatting a little bitbefore um interviewing.
I have uh a community uh on theplatform School Healing Graves

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Naturally, which uh save mythyroid.com forward slash heal
graves disease.
Um so that's um that's growingpretty quickly and there's a lot
of engagement in there.
And um yeah, I also have anewsletter, Healthy Gut Healthy
Thyroid.
Um, so help withSavemythhour.com forward slash
newsletter.
So um, so yeah, those are someof the places you could check me

(53:59):
out.

So it sounds like if we we include the link to the
podcast and your website, thewebsite can get them to the
books and the community andeverything else.
It's all connected there.

That should be true, but it's not at the books,
yeah.
Actually, the books, um likethe books, my YouTube channel,
it does, but but actually I needto actually include links to
the newsletter and thecommunity.
But if they actually visitedthe newsletter, they there are a
lot of other resources.
But I yeah, I actually probablythought those are new things
this year.
So my website's been around fora few years.

All right.
So thank you so much, Eric.
Guys, check out the Save MyThyroid podcast.
You'll also hear our discussionon there.
Um, you'll have to hunt arounddepending on when all these
episodes come out.
Go to save my thyroid.com.
We'll throw all these links inthe show notes.
Eric is the man.
If you want to learn aboutthyroid, you know, natural
approaches, triggers, what totest, what to do.
Uh, a lot of our stuff is verymuch aligned.

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So if you have a question,reach out to him or me about
this topic and we'll help youout.
Eric, thank you so much forcoming on Wits and Weights.

Thank you so much, fella.

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