Why Women in Their 30s Should Learn About Menopause (Zora Benhamou) | Ep 370 - Wits & Weights | Fat Loss, Nutrition, & Strength Training for Lifters

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Philip Pape (00:01):
If you're a woman in your 30s thinking menopause
is decades away and not worthworrying about yet, and you
believe that when the time comes, you'll just figure it out with
your doctor.
But you want to maintain yourstrength, your energy and your
physique as you age, withoutbeing blindsided by changes that
could derail your progress.
This episode is for you.
Today, my guest reveals whywaiting until perimenopause

(00:22):
symptoms appear is already toolate.
The women who thrive throughmenopause started preparing
decades earlier.
You'll discover the hiddentimeline of hormonal changes
that begins years before younotice symptoms, the silent
killers that affect asymptomaticwomen and the specific biohacks
that can transform yourmenopause experience from
survival mode to optimization.

(00:43):
Welcome to Wits and Weights,the show that helps you build a
strong, healthy physique usingevidence, engineering and
efficiency.
I'm your host, philip Pape, andtoday we are discussing why
preparing for menopause shouldstart potentially decades before
you think it does.

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My guest today is Zora Benamou,a gerontologist and biohacker
who hosts the amazing Hack myAge podcast.
Go follow that right now Hackmy Age.
She holds a master's ingerontology from USC, has
specialized certifications inmenopause through the Institute
of Bioidentical Medicine.
At 54, she embodies what sheteaches living as a digital

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nomad while interviewing womenabout menopause experiences in
every country she visits.
Through hundreds I think wellover 300 podcast episodes and
interviews with hundreds ofwomen worldwide, zora has
identified patterns.
We love patterns.
We love data.
This is very helpful to youguys that most women never see
coming.
Today, you're going to learnwhy the strongest, most

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resilient women through thisperiod of life, through
menopause, are those who startedpreparing early on in their 30s
, what the research revealsabout hormonal trajectories and
the specific biohacks thatcreate the biggest impacts
decades later.
So maybe you're in your 30sthinking this doesn't apply to
you yet, or you're approachingperimenopause, wondering what

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you should be doing right now.
Either way, this conversationis going to answer your
questions and, zora, thank youso much for coming on the show.

Zora Benhamou (02:13):
No thanks for having me.
I should update the bio.
I'm now 55.
I forgot to do that.

Yes, I was thinking about it.
When it comes to age and thesebiographies, I was wanting to
say that so you know, but youlook like 35, right?
So, and that's the demographicwe're talking to today, and this
might sound like a basicquestion, but how well informed
do you think women are aboutwhat menopause even is and what
to expect?

no-transcript.
Unfortunately, no one'spreparing for us.
As for menopause, usually ourmothers are not speaking to us
about it, our doctors are notprepared about it.
Our doctors don't really knowas much about it.
It's not part of the medicalcurriculum in most medical
schools and there's not a wholelot of research on it as well.

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So when you consider, actuallynot that long ago, women were
dying in their 50s.
It wasn't a topic really ofconcern.
So it's now that we're livinglonger.
It's now that we're livinglonger.
We are living now up to 30,sometimes 40% of our lives women
in menopause and or this postmenopause stage.

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So in fact, we need tounderstand menopause a whole lot
more and we're justunfortunately, scratching the
surface of it.
So women are not informed andbut but they are getting
informed by social media andpodcasts.

Yeah, it is.
You know, even all theinterviews that I've done and
the women I've spoken to andresearch in this, and also this
idea that, okay, I'm a man, soof course I don't understand
this, but every woman around memust understand this.
And if only I was Mel Gibsonand I could read women's minds
in that movie he was in, whichis a terrible thought actually.
I don't want to do that, notbecause of the women, but
because of how I would handlethe information and then talking
to my wife and thinking how hermom didn't talk to her about

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half the things that she neededto know later in life.
And all of that makes sense now.
And, guys, if you go check outZora's Instagram, you'll see
these interviews with womenwhere they're asked very I'll
call them simple questions thatif you follow the health space,
you might know some of these,and yet a vast majority of women
don't seem to be aware.
So education is important, butalso the misconceptions, I think

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, and the gaslighting and thelack of studies into women's
health over the years that we'refinally maybe starting to catch
up on, I don't know, of allthat information in those
interviews.
What are the, I guess,dangerous misconceptions?
First, that we can kind of getout of the way and then we can
dive into some more like of thehelpful information we want to
run with.

Oh, some of the misconceptions.
Well, very often I'll ask awoman about.
I say one of the firstquestions I ask is are you in
menopause or perimenopause?
And they'll say no, I'm tooyoung.
Or or, and I said, well, howold are you?
And she's like I'm 45.
I'm like that's prettyperimenopausal.
I mean, it's possible, verypossible, to be in menopause at

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that age.
So a lot of one of the biggestmyths is that women think that
it's for older women and to noteven be concerned about and that
I'm totally guilty as chargedwith this.
I was in my 40s, didn't evenknow there was a word called
perimenopause and if you ask meabout menopause I was like, oh,
that's something I'll thinkabout when I'm 50, past 50, for
sure.
So it's only now, because we'resort of having this menopause

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movement, that people arebecoming a little bit more aware
of menopause and that wordcalled perimenopause.
But another answer I get veryoften from women in their 60s or
70s and they say, no, I didn'tdo menopause.
Or I didn't get menopause, andI'm like, well, do you still
have a period?
Oh, no, no.
But they're referring to thesymptoms of menopause.

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Interesting, okay, they didn'tfeel a hot flash or they didn't
suffer or they didn't.
So menopause is such a broadword because we're using it for
perimenopause and postmenopause.
We use it for symptoms, andit's one of these things.
We need to be a little bit moregranular when we're asking what
this is.
But yeah, so those are some ofthe misconceptions that I think
I get typically, and again, thisis universal.

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This is not something only towomen in Poland or in Thailand.
I get very similar responses.

Yeah, it makes sense, and the questions I get
from women all the time are then, you know, I don't get
questions like what aremenopause, obviously, or to help
me understand menopause.
It's more like these things arehappening.
I think I'm in perimenopause orpostmenopause and therefore it
is causing issues I never hadbefore with my physique, my body
, you know menopause, my fatdistribution.

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By the way, there's a new studythat came out about that.
It's fascinating.
We should talk about thatoffline Brand new study about
fat distribution that really ishappening right During menopause
Again, to not deny the realityof it.
And so maybe it's helpful, zora, to understand the timeline
right.
Is this a predominantly ahormonal timeline or are there
other factors?
Is this more systemic thatwomen should be thinking about

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across their ages?
So if we started from, I don'tknow what makes sense 30 and
then go like, okay, 30s, 40s,50s what is happening and what
should you be aware of so we canstart taking action earlier?

Good question.
As a gerontologist, I alwayssay longevity starts in
childhood, and now in mymenopause space, I'm saying
actually menopause starts inchildhood.
We should know about it fromvery early on, just like we do
our periods or something.
When you think about women, thechanges that we have in our
hormones throughout our lifetime, from puberty and pregnancy and

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menopause it's not justmenopause.
I think women at all agesshould understand that we have
hormones, that they canfluctuate, that we have
testosterone, estrogen andprogesterone our main hormones.
There's plenty of otherhormones we can dive into if
they want to, but those are justsort of the basics.
I think that we should learnfrom very early on, and so

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anyone who's listening to thisat any age, start learning about
it and start talking to yourkids about it, because it's just
a part of life and that's fine,it's natural.
It's part of life, just likeyour periods.
We shouldn't be ashamed of it.
There's still major stigma andmajor stereotypes around it as
well.
That can be frightening for theyounger people, like what they

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see on social media.
It's horrifying, in fact.
Another myth that we need tobust is that everyone has a
different experience.
Right, we all have the sameexperience, but the truth is we
all have different experiencesand there's plenty of women who
are sailing through menopausewithout those outward symptoms.
The things are happening on theinside, but on the outside

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they're actually looking great,they're feeling great and we
want to disrupt some of those aswell.
But I think definitely, if youare at any age seeing a change
in your mood or in your periodsor your skin, think about your
hormones.
Maybe and I'm not saying it'smenopause or perimenopause it
could be some hormonal shift andit could be just a temporary

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shift because of any kind ofoutward factors or inward
factors.
But I would say, if you want todive a little deeper into
menopause in your 30s is areally good time, because the
average age of losing ourprogesterone, which is one of
our main hormones, sex hormonesis happening about age 35.

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And it actually takes a reallysteep dive around 35.
Not estrogen, everybody's likeoh, we all fall off the cliff
and menopause, no estrogen.
Actually, the loss from our 30sis a lot more gradual than
progesterone.
So the signs of progesteroneloss would be maybe you are not

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sleeping as well as you used to,maybe you're a little bit more
anxious, or anxious when younever were before, or a little
bit moody and it's outside of,let's say, your period, we can
say oh, during certain cycles,and maybe I'm always like that,
but if it's shifting it's kindof like every night I'm
struggling with sleep thenthat's a sign that maybe this is

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your progesterone starting tohead out the door, because we
have early perimenopause, wehave mid perimenopause and we
have late perimenopause or so,like all these different stages
in the early perimenopause is inyour 30s.
So just being aware of that,because your doctor may go oh,
you know you need, you'redepressed or here's an
antidepressant which maybe youneed but maybe you don't, and so

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the low hanging fruit for mewould be like well, why don't
you just go test yourprogesterone if you're in your
thirties and see maybe if you'relow, and then you can decide if
you want to top it up withhormones or some do some other
type of protocol to try tobalance out your hormones.
But understanding your hormones, definitely for preparation for
peri and post-menopause, is agood idea in your thirties.

Yeah, you definitely for preparation for
peri and post-menopause is agood idea in your 30s.
Yeah, you have a lot of goodtakeaways that I want to dive
into.
So we'll kind of go backwards,since that's fresh in the mind
of testing your labs and knowingyour numbers, and I think
that's great for everyone.
As a coach myself, the more Irealize that biofeedback and
natural lifestyle changes willtake you to a certain point and
you should be doing those.
But then there could be other,you know physiological changes

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that are happening, men andwomen at any age, like you said,
and it's good to have abaseline right, it's good to
just know.
Maybe this is my normal.
So when it comes tounderstanding your hormones,
people get overwhelmed and theyalso often can't find the
support they need in the medicalindustry.
This is what I've heard.
Zora right, is that traditionalGPs and healthcare
practitioners hey, you're 30,you're too young, we're not

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going to test this right?
Another myth, right?
Or you go to, you know there'sthese day by, you know, fly by
night clinics everywhere too,trying to make a buck off of
irresponsible prescription of,especially testosterone clinics,
but anyway.
So anybody listening, who, who,let's say she's 25 or 30, she's
listening and wants to get labs.
What's the best approach forthat?

Oh, I would say it depends on the symptoms
really, and you know if we'retalking about possible menopause
or perimenopause.
But but it's so much more thanthat.
It's not just the loss of yourhormones, especially earlier on.
It could be if you're tired, itcould be just a vitamin
deficiency, right?
Maybe possibly vitamin Bs.
So I would say it's not just.

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Let's say you can look at yourestrogen, I would say still in
your 20s and 30s, know whereyou're at, do your estrogens,
your progesterone and yourtestosterone and like all your
markers.
Like it's great to know whereyou're at when you're healthy,

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when you're young and full ofhormones, because we're finding
out, as we are trying to figureout our formula, our hormone
like, if a woman is takinghormones, there is no one size
fits all.
There isn't like, here you go,a hundred milligrams of
progesterone for everybody,which is kind of what starting
point like doctors to do, butyou'll find some women they need
50, some women need 200.
Same thing goes for theirestrogens that they're taking.
Some women need much higherdoses because they're not

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absorbing and others need lowerdosages.
And some are feeling great withlower blood levels of, say,
estrogen, and some need higher.
And so we don't really know ifmaybe I was always like that's
normal for me to be low or it'snormal for me to be high.
We don't really know, because Iwasn't testing my sex hormones
in my twenties and thirties.
I wish I did so.

(13:55):
It is a good time to just getthe full blood panel.
When I was in my twenties andthirties it would never even
occurred to me to get a fullblood panel of anything, unless
you were sick right, so but nowyou're physical right yeah yeah,
we're in this healthoptimization space, so, like I
wish I did it.
So I do recommend just gettingall those sex hormones done and

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your thyroid and, of course,your cardiovascular markers and
some of these big bone densities.
Another one, because actuallyyou can start losing your bone
in your 30s.
It's very normal to startlosing your bone right in your
30s, so it's like you may besurprised if you have osteopenia
in your 20s and 30s and so youneed to do something about it so

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that you don't get up to 50 andhave a fracture and I don't
know.
I remember if we talked aboutthis last time with you, but
there's not only a bone densityscan, but there's one that shows
bone strength as well, becauseyou can have lower bone density
but actually have really strongbones, so you don't need to
panic if you have a low bonedensity, if they are strong.

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What scan is that?
for the bone strength.
It's called the REM scan,r-e-m-ms, you know, I don't know
radio electromagnetic something, I don't remember that.
It's a long name, sure, butit's a rem scan as opposed to a
dexa scan and it's a really good.
I think it's.
I think it's great.
It's kind of new.
It's technology hasn't beenadopted yet.
A lot of people haven't heardof it, and they didn't hear

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about dexone that first came outeither.
So I think it just still needssome time.
But I think it's.
It's really awesome because itdoes a lot.
It does the same thing thatDexa does, but even more.

Yeah, just so the listener knows, when Zora
mentioned last time we talked,we have an episode on Hack my
Age coming out where we talkedabout bone and muscle strength
and lifting and all of thatrelated to this, so definitely
check that out.
Nice plug there.

Okay, yeah, thank you.
Yeah, it was a fun conversation.

Okay.
So getting a baseline is a goodidea.
There's a lot of ways to do itnow.
You could do it out of pocketthrough like a local lab.
You could do it through amedical person.
You also mentioned symptoms.
Symptoms mean important, and itsounds like you're saying as
soon as symptoms are obvious, orat least start to present
themselves and aren't temporaryor not associated with something
that you know has occurred,let's say periodically, that's

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also an indication, right?
We hear the same with men withtestosterone.
It's like it may not just be inthe numbers, it may be in the
symptoms or a combination of thetwo.
When should someone freak outversus and think that it's a
hormone thing or something else?
You know what I mean Versus.

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These are normal, because Isuspect I heard was it you or
somebody talking about hotflashes and they were totally
surprised about how it actuallyfelt when they got there.
It was totally different whatthey expected.
You know what I'm saying.

So, like yeah, that wasn't me, but.

I.

I've heard that before too.
I still haven't had one.
I felt hot, but it not theclassic I that that will be me
if I ever have one, because Ihave an idea what it may feel
like.
But I'm actually.
I wore a vest.
It was funny because I went toone of these menopause society
conferences and they have a vestthat you can wear, that men and

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women, everyone can wear tomimic a hot flash and they have
it all the way up to your neckand they just turn up the heat
and you, you, you feel it.
But for me I was like, are yousure it's on?
And they were like it's funnybecause most people are feeling
and they touch, like, yeah, it'son, I'm like I don't know.
I guess I do saunas too many,too often.

You like to eat, you know yeah.

I didn't honestly feel very much.
But she says normally people gowow, that's pretty intense.
So you can, you can feel that.
But the question you had was Iwanted to.
When do you freak out forsomeone who should?

never freak out.
How can you recognize thatthese are symptoms worth
investigating?

Investigating yes , investigating, and you're just
there investigating and it'sgoing to be hard to investigate
when you're perimenopause interms of testing your blood work
, because you can test in themorning and then test in the
evening and there'll be totallydifferent levels or tests in one
day and then the other.
But a really good medicalpractitioner or any kind of

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practitioner and someone whounderstands hormones, will tell
you to test on certain days ofthe month, usually 19 to 22.
Well, it depends on what you'retesting and then they'll say
they'll look for certain levelsand then they may ask you to
repeat it several times or takea urine test which can look at
metabolites over the course of24 hours.

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There's many different types oftests that you can see in terms
of where your hormones are andwhat they're doing and how
they're behaving, which pathwaysthe metabolites are going down,
which is quite interesting.
So I would say a woman, usuallyat most ages, she understands
her periods very well.
You know when it's coming andusually at most ages, she
understands her periods verywell.
Like you know when it's comingand usually women are quite

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regular, whether it's always day25 or always day 28 or day 29.
And she'll notice ifsomething's off If something is.
Maybe she's a little bitearlier or a little bit later,
maybe her periods are a littlebit heavier, or maybe they're a
little bit lighter, or maybe sheeven skips a month and she's
not pregnant.

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So I think a period is a reallygood indication.
So I strongly advise, like anygirl who get your period, start
getting a period tracker or anapp or something, and understand
the fluctuations and know, andyou're going to know what to
expect.
So I think that's a really goodbiomarker to follow.

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And then and then, if you, interms of, could this be
perimenopause?
Again, there are documented 103symptoms, 103.
So really could be anything.
Changes in hair, hair thinning,these are, these are, you know,
signs of perimenopause.
Changes in skin usually it'smore dry and that's a lack of

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estrogen.
But when you think of you speakto a teenager and they get acne
and they're like it's on thechin, it must be hormonal.
Like that's hormonal, probablynot perimenopause.
Again, it depends on the chin,it must be hormonal.
Like that's hormonal, probablynot perimenopause.
Again, it depends on the ageand what you are.
But if you, if you are workingwith somebody who understands
menopause, then then you usuallycan spit out some of these
symptoms and then a doctor mayconclude, yeah, this could be,

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yeah, some kind of hormonalshift, which is could be
perimenopause or it could beagain something else.
And it was interesting because Iwas just speaking to another
person before you and we weretalking about treatments and
I've been listening to thisepisode.
Did you watch the Diary of aCEO?

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Yeah, for sure, there was thisepisode I'm watching right now
about herbs and herbaltreatments and this is a
herbalist and he's talking aboutall these things.
And he said, and he had this isa case study I have, you know,
sheila, she's 39 and she hasmoodiness, anxiety, changes in
her period.
I'm like, ah, she's in pause,like you know.

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So so my first thought is testher hormones.
And then, you know, you canmaybe offer her some Jethro
cream topically, and you knowit's very, very safe.
But he's thinking, no, I gaveher X, y and Z herbs and now she
felt better.
Her periods are regular.
So, you know, is it a hormonal?
Is it perimenopause?
Almost doesn't matter, but likeit's, you have a menu of choice

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in terms of how do you want tofeel better?
And it may be it's, and if youtalk to a Chinese medicine
doctor, it may be you know what.
You need to start moving more,you need to exercise a little
bit.
Maybe you need to eat certainfoods and they're very much into
the whole thing.
You got to lower your stressand that will be the

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prescription that you get andyou can choose.
But I would love doctors, nowor the future, to offer what
resonates better with you, likehormones, or do you want herbs?
Do you want to just change yourlifestyle?
But in terms of panicking, Iwould say, if you rule out, if
you did some hormonal testingand you've you got, you got to

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go by symptoms.
You get to rule out, because ifyou're bleeding and it could be
something very, very serious,you're bleeding really heavily.
So again, you know some doctorsare actually there.
I don't know if you'veinterviewed Kim Vopney, but
she's just brilliant when itcomes to pelvic floors and
pelvic floor health and shetalks a lot about how

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hysterectomies areoverprescribed, especially women
in their thirties and forties,when you're very heavy, bleaker,
and it's kind of like the firstthing to go, let's just remove,
you know, your ovaries or let'sjust remove the uterus, like we
, we don't need that and I'vemet women who agreed to that and
they didn't realize.
Oh wait, I wanted kids, what doI do?

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And they got gypped out of that, and so you should really be
informed of all the things thatare positive and negative when
it comes to certain things,especially when it comes to
surgery.
So her low hanging fruit isalways going into progesterone
or hormones.
Right, let's look like we don'tneed to take out these body

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parts.
Maybe you do need to, I don'tknow, but it's not.
It shouldn't be the first callto action, and, and so I would
say, if anyone is, you know, intheir thirties and they they're
told that they need to have ahysterectomy, I would certainly
exhaust everything else firstthat are less invasive, and then
go on to say if there's nothingelse that works, then okay,

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maybe do what you have to dowith me and people I've talked
to as well.

You mentioned herbs , right, and I think, okay,
adaptogens, right.
I've known women who have someanxiety or stress and they're
doing everything right, you know.
They're trying to manage thestress naturally and something's
just different that wasn'tthere a couple of years ago and
then they started takingashwagandha and it's like night
and day and that's all they needfor the next 10 years.
You know what I mean.
It's interesting and we don'tknow why.

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That is right.
It's probably something in our,the way we live today in
Western society, that istriggering that in some sense.
Right, with the stress thatwe're not eliminating.
But you know, having a menu ofoptions is a great idea.
I also, you know, I'm a big fanof lifting, of course, and I
think for a lot of people justlike, if they're not lifting and
then they start lifting weightsand exercising, that right,

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there is a huge game changer foranyone to try.
At least it's free, it's yourown body, do it.

But yeah, taking out your uterus and ovaries is
different.
You can raise your testosteronelevels for free with just
lifting weights.
You don't need to buy anything.
I mean everybody's different,of course, but you can measure
this stuff.
You can really just measureyour testosterone now and go
lift some heavy weights and seeif it moved the needle right.

That's biohacking 101, right, the very basic of
taking a before and after, youknow.
Thyroid comes to mind too,because you're talking hormones,
and that seems to be anotherbig issue today is and for a lot
of people, that they're justunder eating and that's what's
doing it, and for others it issome sort of wonky relationship
between their T3 versus T3, t4conversion, and that's where it

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gets complicated.
Estrogen, too, with theestradiol and the testosterone
of the DHEA, it's like so muchso yeah.

Have you heard of thyropause?
Okay, I can guess what it isit's thyroid-related menopause
or something.

What is that?

Yeah, it's when your thyroid goes south and it's
usually during this period oflife.
Dr Amy Horniman, we did arecording.
I'll connect you to her if youdon't know her, because she's
brilliant.
She's called the Thyroid Fixerand that's her podcast and she's
just so focused on thyroid.
And we did an episode onthyropause and she calls thyroid
the master hormone, like somepeople would say.

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You know, cortisol is a masterhormone.
Some people say thyroid is.
I mean, it depends who you are,what your specialty is, but the
game is that all the hormonesare interconnected.
It's not just let's just put inone and we'll replenish it.
No, that one will have aneffect, a downstream effect, on
other hormones.
It's the symphony and it'sabout getting it right.

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And that's why so many women inmenopause, when they start
hormone therapy, they're likethis is not working or I feel
worse, or I feel nothing.
Well, because you have to findthe right levers to pull and
there's just no one size fitsall and I encourage them to
don't give up like just try upor down, or different formula or

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different dosage or differentcompletely delivery method.
Again, we're all so differentif you go down that route.
So, but again, a lot of thesethings can be pulled.

The levers can be pulled outside of hormones as
well, so yes, yes, and I thinkit's a good approach to look at
both.
Right Is what you're saying islike be open to both, do some
biohacking, do some measurements, Like it's fairly inexpensive.
Thyroid is an interesting one.
I have a coach on my team.

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She's personal experience ofhypothyroidism and Hashimoto's,
and thyroiditis, and so she'slearned a lot through that
process.
I actually worked with KarenMartell, who I know is a friend
of yours, and you guys connectall the time and I love Karen
too.
She and I have connected, soit's like a small circle here.
But the thyroid thing isinteresting because it regulates
your metabolism right and so ifit's off, that could
significantly affect yourmetabolic rate and like what I
see just you start a smallcalorie deficit and your body
just immediately adapts, andthen you try to increase it, it
immediately adapts.

(27:28):
It's kind of a funky thing thatcreates what seems like weight
loss resistance.
You know, obviously if youstarve yourself you're going to
lose weight, but nobody wants todo that, right?
So all this is part ofmenopause, right?

Yeah, yeah, and progesterone also has an effect
on the thyroid as well whenyou're losing your progesterone.
So, yeah, there's so manyreasons why somebody can have a
low thyroid or high thyroid,dysfunctional thyroid.
I agree, though, that it is avery important hormone and it's

(28:02):
not a thing that we should justbrush off, and I think a lot of
traditional doctors that whenyou go to get your labs, the
range is really wide, so you canbe within the normal range, but
still like my hair is fallingout and I'm so tired and I'm
bloated and I can't lose thisweight and they're like I don't
know.
Your numbers are normal, butthat's where we want to get into
maybe a functional medicineapproach or optimal ranges,

(28:24):
because any functional medicinedoctor would have a much tighter
range and say this is whyyou're not feeling well, so
let's try to figure out how canwe move the dial and getting
closer into the optimal range,and you'll probably feel better.
They won't dismiss you orgaslight you and go out.

And there's ratios and there's also your own
baseline, like you've alreadymentioned before.
So so that makes me think now,since we're talking about
preparing early for this and youmentioned talking to your kids,
right Cause that's as early aswe can get.
I have two daughters as well.
I love that my wife talks tothem about things we homeschool,
so we have like a healthsubject in there and I've

(29:02):
already talked to them aboutgenitals and sex and like all
that stuff.
To whatever level they they are,it's appropriate for their age.
You know things that ourparents just didn't do very
often like our generation in the80s.
Right but the question is whenit comes to menopause, if the
mother isn't super informed likeit looks like is the case
currently and they listen tothis podcast the first time

(29:24):
they're hearing about this rightwhat should they talk to the
kids about In terms of menopause?

Sure, yeah, since we're preparing for the
menopause, it depends, like yousaid, age appropriate.
How much information can theyhandle?
What's their interest?
The simple thing is, maybe, ifthey're in their teenage years
you're like, well, you're goingto have the discussion about
when the periods start.
You can also have theconversation that I know it's.
You know you're struggling nowbut it is going to end, and that

(29:50):
actually sounds like a reallygood thing that you won't be
living bleeding for the rest ofyour life and that's because the
hormones are starting todecline.
But just bringing a little bitof awareness in terms of your, I
think the period is such atangible thing for most young
people that they can understandthat.
I would also talk to the boysas well and you can say

(30:11):
understand, and I would relateit maybe just overall for
hormones, because if there are,whether they're a boy or a girl,
they will maybe be dealing withsomebody who's going to have a
pregnancy or, if not themselves,they will maybe be dealing with
somebody who's going to have apregnancy or, if not themselves,
and then they're going to seeagain a hormonal shift and not
think that they're broken andthey're falling apart.
We're like, no, you're pregnantor you're just post-pregnancy

(30:33):
and hormones are trying to shiftagain.
So having that discussion abouthormones is really good.
And then, as they get older, Ithink when you, when you are
approaching your thirties, thenI would start talking about more
about progesterone and and howthat can decline or just or, and
that the hormones go up anddown.
They're just crazy and it's notyou that's crazy.

(30:53):
The hormones that are going alittle wonky and not to be
afraid, and it's totally normaland you have solutions.
Again, here's this mortgageboard of choices that you can do
to balance them out and replenphase and again, having that

(31:26):
discussion about perimenopausepre, mid and late.
But I would also have themunderstand that we don't know
what our menopause journey willbe like.
Like.
There's the whole spectrum.
It's not going to be horriblefor everybody and not to dismiss
that, it can be really horrible.

(31:47):
You'll have many symptoms.
You'll have all of them underthe sun and they're going to be
extreme and that happens,totally can happen.
But if that does happen to you,we got solutions.
There's so much we can do andyou don't have to suffer in
silence.
Menopause is inevitable butsuffering really is optional If
you want to white knuckle yourway through and give yourself a

(32:09):
badge because you did it quoteunquote naturally suffered
through it.
That's your choice.
Like fine with you, but but ifthat scares you, you don't.
You don't need to go down thatroute.
It's.
It's again we have.
We have so many options, butleading, starting with
everything that you talk aboutin terms of getting your

(32:30):
nutrition dialed in and havingexercise as part of your daily
routine, are so foundational forhaving a smooth transition.
It's not a guarantee, but itshould be smoother when you have
those things in place, as wellas maybe sleep and your stress
management and all that stuff,because they do impact your
menopause journey.

Yeah, all of that's important, and I think of the
phrase minimum effective dosewhen you talk about like white
knuckling it through, doing itonly naturally, which I've
definitely met people who arelike I don't want to do this, I
don't want to take anything, Idon't want to do this, I don't
want to take anything, I don'twant to take HRT, I don't you
know, and I'm like, okay, you'repotentially limiting yourself
and others who want to tryeverything, and they don't

(33:11):
approach it with a scientificmethod of like isolating the
variables, right, and so thenyou don't know what's working,
and so the middle ground seemsto be you know foundation and
then see what's there and thentake one step at a time and
start pushing the lever.
So, given that you're like thebiohacking expert and we're
talking about preparing early,what's something, let's say, in
your 20s as a woman, you shouldbiohack or do besides what we've

(33:33):
already talked about.
That will set you up for moresuccess than most women have
knowing.
Menopause is coming.

Yeah, okay, yeah, first, definitely get your
testing done and definitelyunderstanding your periods
that's just foundational.
And then getting those,understanding how your body
reacts to food and what foodsare actually nourishing yourself
right To give you energy, tomake you feel good this is

(34:00):
really, really important.
And not being under-fueled orover-fueled, right, you don't
want to have too much body fatand you don't want to have too
little, because both of thoseset you up for possible early
menopause.
Okay, we want to be at ahealthy body weight and so
having that and again, exerciseis a big component of that too.
So getting in your strengthtraining is so foundational.

(34:24):
I talk a lot about sarcopenia asa gerontologist and this is the
age-related muscle loss, but noage-related, sorry.
There's things we can do.
We're not using our muscles andwithout our hormones it can be.
Versus when we have them, itcan be a little harder to build

(34:44):
muscle.
So having building that now isso vital.
I honestly think that part ofmy really good muscle mass.
But I've been training andexercising since I was born,
like I was just running aroundlike it was doing the Jane Fonda
thing when I was a teenager andI always liked exercise and I

(35:07):
think it's really saved me in somany ways.
Yes, things have happened to mein the last several years where
I go.
Thank God I've had good muscleand muscle has memory as well.
So when you and you're buildingthese muscle fibers when you're
young and the same thing goesfor bone they're so important

(35:28):
you may not think about it.
When you're young.
All you're thinking about is Ijust want to grow and maybe, if
you're little, you just want tobecome Superman.
But you will need those musclesand you will need those bones,
especially as we're getting intoour sixties and seventies and
eighties, because it's going tobe a lifesaver to keep us
independent, to help us recoverfrom a fall without getting a

(35:50):
fracture, and there's thingsthat are really bad things that
happen with that.
So we want to keep that.
So I would say, as you're young,please get you know and I don't
want to say you'd have to be abodybuilder but just get good
muscle mass and protect yourbones, and those are really
really key.
And again, you may strugglewith that and I've had people

(36:10):
who tell me in my community islike they've increased their
muscle mass and they're boilingit all down to sleep.
It's because I really focusedon my sleep when growth hormone
is released.
So sleep is a big factor and Iknow we can get away with
sleepless nights when we'reyoung and pull all-nighters and
all that.
But again, you want to keepthings in balance.

(36:33):
Especially if you're havingsymptoms or if you're starting
to feel like I really need mysleep, then make it a priority.
And then, of course, the stresscomponent, because that affects
the hormone cortisol and thatcan affect a lot of other things
that are going on in our.
Then make it a priority.

And then, of course , the stress component, because
that affects that's the hormonecortisol, and that can affect a
lot of other things that aregoing on in our body.
You know we've talked about aconcept called upward spiraling,
which is when you can get oneof these things improved that
you just talked about.
They make the others easier.
And it's funny you mentionedsleep because there's a joke,
like with menopausal women thatI've noticed.
It's you know they'll say well,what do I do?
And some 20 year old, you know,influencer guy would be like
you need to get more sleep.
And they're like well, I havetrouble sleeping because I'm in

(37:09):
menopause.
Well, you just need more sleep.
You know, and it's like this,like circular thing, and I've
seen that I'm like I can't justtell people get more sleep or
get better sleep, but if you'renot lifting, if you're not
moving, if you're not eating,well, that's also going to
affect your sleep and yoursleep's going to affect those.
Right, it's a systematic thing.

(37:30):
So it's a spiral of likewhere's your low hanging fruit?
Now, you know I've had clientswho they've lifted for 20 years.
That's not their concern.
Their concern is they don'tmove throughout the day.
They go and they lift three,four days a week, and then they
don't move all day and they have3000 steps.
Well, all of a sudden theirblood flows low, their resting
heart rate's high, their insulinsensitivity is not great, and
then they just start walkingmore and all of that gets better

(37:52):
and now they start sleepingbetter, right?
So I'm playing off what you'resaying, because when you're
younger, listening to this,don't wait.
And if you haven't done it andyou're in your fort, yeah.
So I want to ask you about thefood and the healthy body weight

(38:13):
part, because that could getmisunderstood a lot.
You talked about beingoverweight or potentially
underweight, and overfueling orunderfueling.
I assume there's a fat-freemass component to that.
Right, like, if somebody hasgood body composition, maybe
that's less of a concern.
What does the research say orwhat do you know about that?

In terms of I'm not sure I I'm sorry In terms of
body weight and its impact onearly menopause.

That's what I mean.

Oh, okay, yeah, no body weight, yeah.
So I hate weight, I hatelooking at a scale.
To me it just doesn't meananything.
If anybody gets on a scale, Isay I want to know your muscle
mass, I want to know how muchfat mass you have.
So I think those are muchbetter markers to look at.
And then of course, you havethe woman who's just like it,

(38:59):
disrupts her day and sheshouldn't be on a scale and she
doesn't like it.
And you know, sometimes weremove those things altogether.
But in terms of, if you want tolook at weight, what the
research is showing in terms ofmenopause, if you are
underweight you are more likelyto have an earlier menopause.
The weird thing is that there'ssome research coming out that

(39:19):
shows if you're obese like a BMIover 30, you're more likely to
have a later menopause anddelayed menopause, at least I
think, is actually a good thing.
We want ovarian function aslong as we possibly can, and
there's one study that showedobese women who had obese women,

(39:40):
again over 30 BMI, they had 50%higher odds of menopause after
the age of 52 and 53, 52, 53.
And the average age right nowin North America is 51.
So it's okay.
It's delayed by a couple years,but you go.
Well, that's to me.
It's not a reason to like youknow it's not a good trade-off

(40:03):
yeah, focus on that.
It was just an interesting study.
I thought, okay, I don't likethat, but you know, but it's
probably has a lot to do becausethere's your, your fat cells
have a lot of estrogen, right.
So when it's the loss ofestrogen that causes the, at
least the we, that's when wehave the menopause.
So if you can still have somehanging around, I'm not saying

(40:24):
if you're obese forever, you'llalways have estrogen and you'll
always have, like, be menopausefree, but but it tends to delay
menopause.

Yeah, it's interesting I didn't that that's
a good explanation for themechanism, cause I was like is
it because your reproductivehealth is supported because you
have more fat?
You know, despite thetrade-offs of being more
overweight, you can, you knowyou're in a better condition
physiologically to have a, havea child and support the child
because you have more fat stores.
I don't know Right Like yeah.
Yeah, but the estrogen makes alot of sense.

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And then you said you talked about sarcopenia,
which is super relevant topic onthis show for sure, and you and
I talked last time how MeganDahlman was on the show and
mentioned the termosteosarcopenia and how they're
linked together.
Is there anything okay besideslike lifting weights and moving?
Is there anything in your worldof gerontology that you see
people could be doing better ormore of in their 20s and 30s?

Yeah, I would say it's shocking how many people
have lost flexibility, mobilityand agility in their 20s and 30s
.
It's like, wait, you look at ababy or a young child.
They do a perfect squat andthey can do so many things and
they're flexible.
And what happened right?

(42:26):
And we blame it on these chairsthat we're sitting on very
often.
If you've ever been, have youbeen to Japan Once?
Yeah, I was lucky to go toJapan.
Yeah, so you've ever been?

have you been to japan once?
Yeah, I was lucky to go tojapan, yeah so you've the toilet
sat.

No, sat on the floor, I was gonna say that the
holes in the floor toilets yeah,the squatty potty, like anyway.

Yeah, the holes in the floor yes, you eat on the
floor, that's true, you sit onthe floor.

The the holes.
No.
Japanese toilets are more knownfor their high tech that is
true too and warm seats andstuff.
It's more, I would say China,where you get the holes in the
ground.

I mean, look, I went in 2002, so it was a long
time ago.
Oh, okay, and they actually hadsome of those, but you're right
, mostly they had the seatwarming and the LEDs and all
that stuff.

Yeah, yeah, it's funny, but Japanese people you
take off your shoes when you getin the LEDs and all that stuff.
Yeah, yeah, it's funny.
But Japanese people, you takeoff your shoes when you get in
the house and then you have eaton the floor, everything's on
the floor.
You sleep on a tatami right thelike the futon imagine, I guess
.
I guess we would say in America, yes, where you have just it's
like mattress on the floor andso you're constantly having to

(43:31):
get up, get down, squat andyou're just always have this
movement.
So you don't seem to lose thatmobility and agility and
flexibility.
But in our Western world wehave couches and chairs and beds
that are high, so we don't needto squat so much anymore.
So I think if you could work onthat and keep it for the rest

(43:55):
of your life, you're going to bereally, really lucky.
And I think that agility pieceis really important because if
you look at some older adultsnot everyone that maybe there's
shuffle walking and they're justafraid to take a step because
in case they fall and theyhaven't practiced fall
prevention.
We should be all practicingfall prevention like, like a

(44:17):
stuntman, right?
You just learn how to do alittle roll in case you fall,
like.
This is fun and you don't haveto call it fall prevention,
because I'm protecting my 70year old self, but but these are
really important.
We don't understand until welose it.
And and I mentioned to youearlier that I had
osteoarthritis I was living inthe body of an 80-year-old.

(44:37):
I know what it's like toshuffle, walk and to be afraid
to go take a step off the curb.
It's horrible, it's horrible,and I got a glimpse of what
that's like and since I've hadmy hip replacements, I'm like
thank goodness, but I don't everwant to be like that and I
don't recommend it to anyoneelse.

(44:58):
So please work.
I know mobility classes nowsound boring or not cool, but
honestly, they should be a partof your weekly workout, in my
opinion, if you want to talkabout your future self if you
want to talk about your futureself.

Yeah, you make a really good point, right,
because I'm in a world wherethere's people like to lift but
sometimes, just like that personI mentioned, sits around all
day right With his job and getsstiff.
I know men and women who theystart lifting, maybe they walk,
but they're not doing this othercomponent and I like to think
of it as, like you know, doingsomething fun and making that
part of your routine if you can,for mobility, whether it is

(45:35):
mobility stuff like yoga orstretching, but also sports,
maybe you know pickleball, likeall of that.
Being being agile, calisthenics, playing with your kids, like
if you've got kids, why aren'tyou playing with them and going
outside and playing, come on,like just don't you know, and
yeah, we do kind of lose that,and then you get stiff, right,
you get more chance ofconnective tissue issues.
You get the surgery.

(45:56):
I mean I've had rotator cuffsurgery and back surgery.
You talk about your hipreplacement.
I'm like one day I feel likeI'm going to need that.
But I'm also trying to stay alittle more active.
Do some sprinting, do this andthat Maybe not as much as I see
some of my 25-year-old peersdoing.
I'm a little bit jealous.
I'm like man, they're likeplaying basketball all the time,
but I am a parent too, right?
So you've got mothers who areparents taking care of their

(46:17):
kids.
Maybe they've got a 50 hour aweek job or whatever.
What's your practical favoriteswhen it comes to that?

Oh, yes, I practice this all the time and
I've got to figure out anotherway, actually, because I do my
podcasts doing this.
But I would say, try to live onthe floor and make your floor
comfortable, right?
You can see, here in the back Ihave a rug and I have a low
coffee table.
I will put my computer on thecoffee table and I sit with my

(46:49):
like an Indian style or and thenI have to.
Oh, I got to go to the toilet,so I got to get up.
So then I would say, let me tryto get up without my hands.
Let's try to just get upwithout putting too many hands
on the floor.
I eat on the floor, I go, andnow it's, it's lovely, it's
summer, I'll go in the garden,I'll eat on the grass, I'm
getting some grounding, I'mgetting outdoors, I'm getting

(47:11):
fresh air, and I have to squatand I have to stand up again and
again.
Try to hold your plate with twohands and do it without getting
off the floor, without usingyour hands.
You can try to do these thingsin every single moment of the
day that you can, and I thinkit's fun and maybe people will
go.
You look ridiculous, but Idon't care, I'm going to be the

(47:35):
one laughing when I'm 70, youknow, if I'm lucky to get there
right Assuming that I do so, Ithink it's it's a matter of, I
would say, floor life.
Try to get on the floor as muchas you can.
Work on the floor, eat on thefloor, play with your kids on
the floor in the when the guestscome.
If you have guests, I'm on thefloor.
I sort of like tea, like ajapanese woman, like, yeah, you
know, I'm on my knees and we,why don't you sit on the couch?

(47:58):
I'm like, I just like being onthe floor and actually that's
quite natural for me.
I've always been like that,without even thinking about my
future self.
I've just been very I don'tknow, I guess grounded no, that
sounds like you're mistake.

Proofing the process is the way I would put
it, my geeky sort of way.
It's like you're biohacking theprocess because by being on the
floor you have to interruptconstantly that pattern with
movement right, whereas whenyou're sitting you can get
hunched over for four hours in arow and not move right, even if
you want to.
You'd have to have remindersyou have to do this and that

(48:30):
You're making it where it justnaturally is part of your life.

It's like the flow.
Yeah, actually, if you'resitting cross-legged, there's a
time you're like, oof, yeah, Igotta stretch my legs.
Then you stretch out the legsand then you're like, oh well,
I'm here, I'll just do an extrastretch and you're there anyways
.
So you just think about it.
Another thing I do is I havetoys usually all over the floor,
like like a ball for my foot.
You know, I rub the ball, youknow the little bounce the

(48:57):
points.
Yeah, so you can rub your foot,you massage your foot.
Oh yeah, like the little.

yeah, I got it.
Yeah, sure, Sure.

Yeah, and I just have just bands, because if I
trip over it I go oh yeah, Icould do this, and it's there
and you can take like 30 secondsa minute and it adds up.
And one thing I learned justrecently and it totally inspired
me yesterday I had an interviewwith Dr Marie Snyder and she

(49:26):
has a podcast as well and wewere talking about the blood
glucose monitor challengebecause I'm just finishing mine,
were talking about the bloodglucose monitor challenge
because I'm just finishing mine,and she was saying you know
what?
I concluded with blood sugar,which is another thing please,
like, get your blood sugar.
That's another great test to do.
I'm such a fan of these.
These are little devices.

(49:47):
It's a sensor that you put inthe back of your arm.
It's a continuous blood glucosemonitor and you have an app on
your phone and you can see howyour blood sugar rises and falls
with the foods that you eat,the exercise, the stress, the
sleep, how this all impacts.
Blood sugar is a very importantmarker to understand your
health and it's a way to delayaging, to have your blood sugar

(50:08):
levels stable.
It lowers inflammation and somany other things.
And so she said, I said youknow what?
I tried berberine, I triedapple cider vinegar, I've tried
eating vegetables before you eatcertain foods that can increase
your blood sugar.
Let's say a banana and bananas.
I love bananas, I eat them.
But I noticed, wow, it goesreally high and then it just

(50:29):
like boom, it like drops.
So I had the best impact wasexercising after I eat the piece
of fruit or chocolate orwhatever it is.
That would spike my blood sugarand I thought, god, that's
amazing.
So she said you know what I do?
I got small kids.
I can't run, I mean I can't goto the gym, so I do air squats

(50:53):
right after I eat it.
So she does just three minutes,just do 20 for one minute,
another 20 for another minute,more or less.
No, she does 60.
Yeah, 20, 20 and 20.
That's what she does Everyminute.
She does 20, 20 squats and thenshe does it for three minutes.
Because we all got threeminutes and I tested that twice.

(51:14):
Totally, I drank grapefruitjuice, which should have, should
have like gone through the roofand it was just so stable?
I'm like no way.
So exercise is such a powerfultool it's magic.
Yeah, it's like so many waysand it's free, like I don't need
to spend money on anothersupplement so so, yeah, that
that's.
That's another air squats she.

(51:36):
So what she does is kind ofcrazy.
She does that six times a dayokay so she does 360 squats a
day.
I'm like whoa, that's a lot, butshe's like I just sometimes I
just take a break from my kidsand you know we just we all do
air squats together as a familyand she incorporates this into
her day and she's like this isbrilliant, brilliant idea.

Has she compared it to?
Has she compared it to likewalking?
I'm curious.

In terms of the blood sugar levels?
Yeah, yeah.
Well she did.
One day she told me that sheate a piece of cake Like she
said.
It was the most horrible pieceof cake like you buy in the
supermarket.

The highly sugary grainy like it's all sugar,
right yeah.

Yeah, it was a Saturday.
I was in the park with myhusband and my son and I, and
after that we went for a bikeride.
So I wanted to go on a bikeride.
So she went for two hours onthe bike and she looked at a
monitor didn't even blip.

That's interesting, isn't that crazy?
Crazy, is it the bike?
But then walking compared tobiking.

I wonder, I don't know, the walking compared to
biking, but for me walkingdefinitely lowers the spike, for
sure, for sure.
I would go for about 20 minutes, 20 or 30 minute walk and it's
so much it.
If it's watermelon that reallyincreases me, it'll.
It'll still have a bump, butnot not nearly as what it was
before, with just a walk.
It was within the rangedefinitely.

Yeah.
So again you're justreinforcing the idea that being
active, moving, taking care ofyourself, eating foods you love,
that nourish, you are allreally great foundations if you
wanna be ready for menopause andbeyond.
And then of course you canisolate the other things right
and see okay, maybe it isthyroid, maybe it is
progesterone or something likethat.
As we wrap up, is thereanything else that someone,

(53:19):
maybe in their thirties, maybegetting toward perimenopause in
their forties, should know?
That we didn't cover.

Oh God, there's a lot.
Where should I start?
Yeah, and I'm trying to think Iwould say don't be afraid, Even
if you're seeing all thosehorrible videos and those
horrible reels.

Good point.
Don't do the fragilitynarrative Like.
Don't adopt the fragilitynarrative.
Right Of menopause.

Yeah, For menopause as well as aging.
I see a lot of younger peopleterrified of aging, Like they're
like all biohacking in theirtwenties.
I'm like I understand, like whyI'm biohacking, because I can
see the wrinkles.
I can see like you can startseeing the degeneration, but in
your twenties you're like fullof collagen, Like why would you

(54:05):
like in hormones, Like?
But they're concerned and Ithink they're concerned because
of ageist, stereotypes and it'swhat we see.
We're all ageist.
There's plenty of research thatgoes and looks at all of these
countries of the world andeveryone's ageist.
Some are more, some are less,and ageist.
You know meaning.
You just have a you.
Yeah, you have a negativeassociation.

Bias against older age yeah.

Right so, but there are countries that are
better, like Japan, for example,is more accepted.
People aren't so afraid.
But we want to disrupt thosejust these ages stereotypes,
because we have a menu of choiceon how to age.
We of course the the the horrorstories are there.
There are people who are sick,there are people who are frail

(54:50):
or people who are gettingfractures, or people who are
dying, people who are reallystruggling the last 30 years of
life on medication and doctorsand all that.
But that's just one choice.
We have a choice.
We can do things to agehealthily and the way we want to
.
We have to be proactive.
We have to look for our futureselves and when you think about

(55:13):
dementia and cardiovasculardisease and osteoporosis, these
aren't diseases that start atage 70 or 65.
They start in your 30s, 40s,50s and we don't feel them.
They're called silent killersbecause we don't feel our bones
getting brittle or we don't feelour arteries getting full of

(55:33):
plaque.
We only notice it when we'realready there, and then it's
kind of late and it's a goodthing.
I really strongly recommendpeople to consider prevention.
I know it's not sexy, buteverything that you're doing now
in your 20s and 30s and 40s isreally going to protect your
future self, and it gets easier.

(55:54):
You may think, oh, it's jobright now.
To get it sorted out.
Yeah, maybe hard in thebeginning, but after a while it
becomes a habit and it becomes alifestyle and you don't even
think about it anymore and youjust don't want to live any
other way because it's justquite normal for you, because
you feel so good.
So really don't be afraid ofaging.
And again, we have choices.

(56:14):
We can do whatever we want andwhen it comes to aesthetics, if
you want to go gray, fabulous.
If you want to dye your hairfabulous.
Do you Do what makes you happy.
We can A lot of things that wecan to be the way that we want,
to look and feel as good as wewant.

Oh, I love that message right, because being
happy and having well-beingstarts now and, like you said,
it gets easier.
You've got to take the stepsand some of it is uncomfortable
or different, like working outif you don't do it.
But, trust me, when you're 40,when you the surface, so folks
can definitely find you on yourpodcast Hack my Age, and you're

(56:56):
also going to be in PhysiqueUniversity as a guest speaker
doing a live Q&A.
That's on September 23rd, so ifyou're hearing this before then
, you could always jump inbefore that to catch Laura for a
live Q&A with her.
Where do you want folks to findyou after hearing this amazing
podcast?

Wherever they go, I am there, whether it's
Facebook, Instagram, TikTok,LinkedIn X, I've everywhere.
I've got podcasts, but theeasiest thing is just go to
hackmyagecom, because I'll haveall the links to all of whatever
area that you put yourself into, I will be there and you can
reach out.
I'm still reachable.
You know, send me a message.
If I don't see it right away, Iwill be there and you can reach

(57:33):
out.
I'm still reachable.
Send me a message.
If I don't see it right away,I'll.
Eventually we'll see it.

Beautiful Hackmyagecom.
You can find Zora everywhere.
She's awesome.
She will respond to you andthank you so much, Zora, for
coming on the show to talk abouta very important topic.
It's a pleasure.

Thanks for having me.

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