August 12, 2025 • 49 mins
Sometimes life throws us a curveball. We can let it knock us down or spin it in the right direction with personal passion and empowerment. Gail Taylor helps people do just that with her music and core messages that inspire personal growth. She is a keynote speaker who has written a new book called Curveballs. Her journey is a testament to resilience and embracing passion. She believes people should believe in themselves and create the lives they want. It is a matter of flipping their inner dialogue and stopping their self-sabotage. She uses the power of music to transform lives and foster positive change in her messaging. Gail came from a successful career in finance to launch a successful musical and speaking career in her 60s. She is now a songwriter and philanthropist. She offers real-life stories and practical tips to navigate life’s unexpected turns. In this episode of Women Road Warriors with Shelley Johnson and Kathy Tuccaro, Gail talks about the power of music on the brain and peak performance tools people can use to turn life’s curveballs into home runs.
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Music has had a common threadwithin every human civilization since
the beginning of time.
Scientists have shown that itactivates various parts of the brain.
It can change our moods,inspire, calm us and influence us.
It can elicit many types ofemotions by expressing things that
words cannot.
And it's a universal language.
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Music can impact us in waysthat language can't.
Gail Taylor knows the value of music.
She communicates core messagesthrough music to inspire personal
growth.
She believes in thetransformative power of music.
Gayle came from a successfulcareer in finance and transitioned
into a successful musical andspeaking career in her 60s.
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She's also a songwriter and philanthropist.
She's written a new bookcalled Curveballs.
Her journey is a testament toresilience and embracing passion.
Her mission is how musicoffers the unique ability to transform
lives and foster positive change.
We wanted to learn more, so weinvited Gail on the show.
Welcome, Gail.
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Thank you for being on the show.
Oh, no problem.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm really honored to be here.
Oh, this is terrific.
You have so much insight thatI can't wait to dig into, if you
will.
Could you start maybe with howyou got started with all of this
going from finance to music?
That's quite a juxtaposition.
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Yeah.
What happened was when I was58, I started taking piano lessons.
And Shelley, I had no music background.
I had never had a lesson in aninstrument in my life.
And so I'm starting from thevery beginning learning scales.
CD athletic.
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Oh, my God.
I fell in love with it.
I just like music actuallycame flooding back into my life from
a listening.
I didn't even realize that Ihadn't been listening to it for 25
years because in the car I waslistening to books on economics.
And so, yeah, so I startedtaking these piano lessons.
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And two years into it, Ithought, I'm going to retire a little
earlier than I had planned andsell my practice and study music
full time.
And so at age 61, I sold mypractice and I started studying music
full time.
And I'm I've got private teachers.
I'm taking bass guitarlessons, keyboard lessons, songwriting
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ear training.
I'm studying through BerkeleySchool of Music.
I mean, Berkeley.
Oh, my.
That's a wonderful.
I know, but I didn't have to audition.
It was it.
Because it was an online.
You just had to pay the feeand you got these amazing instructors.
So after two years of this, Ithought, I'm going to reinvent myself
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as a musician.
And when I shared that storyto folks, I kept getting the same
reaction over and over again.
I kept getting people saying,oh, that's so inspiring.
I'm going to go do somethingthey had put on the back burner.
And I kept hearing this overand over again, and I thought, whoa.
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Never mind being a musician.
I'm going to come out ofretirement, start Gail Taylor music,
become a keynote speaker, anduse my music and my stories to help
folks become their best selves.
And.
And so that's how I got here.
And you obviously have anatural affinity, a natural talent
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for music.
Oh, no.
Hours and hours and hours and hours.
A practice.
Sure.
Well, you have to.
It takes a lot of practice toget to Carnegie hall, as we all know.
Oh, yeah.
There's a lot of work involved.
But the insight that you have,realizing that music is a catalyst.
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Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, when you weresaying that in the introduction about
what music can do, it can heal.
Like, music is so powerful.
So right now, my catalog hasabout 18 songs in it, and it's all
inspirational music.
Every song is a story.
Sometimes it's aboutcurveballs that I experienced in
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life.
And it's a story about, youknow, working your way through these
things.
Can music help us work throughthings, you think?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
It's transcending.
You know, like I had in.
In my book, you mentioned thatI had my new book, Curveballs, coming
out.
Curveballs is like two genres.
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It's memoirs.
It's stories of things that.
That happened to me,challenges that happened in my life,
and then personal growth andpeak performance.
Tools that I use to getthrough it.
And then at the end of everychapter, there's a QR code so you
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can scan it and go and listento the song that was inspired by
that story and watch the lyric video.
I literally put a soundtrackin my book.
I love it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
And so one of the chapters iscalled Wings, and Wings is a story
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about addiction, and it'sreally a story about trying to help
folks that have loved onesthat are in addiction to give themselves
permission to still be happy.
Right.
You're on a parallel journeywith somebody that's really struggling,
but you don't get to controltheir journey.
And you don't have to live in,you know, worry and dysfunction all
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day, every day because theymay the choice of that path.
And so, you know, that song'svery emotional.
You need a Kleenex box to golisten to that one.
But, yeah, I've had a lot offeedback from people saying, thank
you so much for sharing that.
I really needed it, and itreally put me into a calmer place.
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Oh, that's excellent.
Sometimes people just need tohear it from someone else to know
that they're not aloneexperiencing some of these things
too.
Oh, that's.
Yeah, that's a really powerfulcomment because that is so true,
especially with that topic.
Right.
When you're talking aboutaddiction, Whether you're the addict
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that's ashamed of it so youdon't want to get help, or whether
you're a family member of theaddict that, you know is embarrassed
because their adult son is onthis path.
Yeah, it's not.
It's a mental disorder, andthere's no reason for there to be
any shame or embarrassment.
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And when you understand thatthere's a lot of doctors and lawyers
and rock stars and everybodyelse goes through.
Makes it so much easier for you.
It does.
You aren't stigmatized, andthere still is a lot of that.
Yes, there is.
You wouldn't think there wouldbe, but there still is a lot of judgment
by other people.
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And an addict may want to gethelp, but then they are shunned and
judged.
Yes, but I'm gonna say lessthan in the.
In the past.
And right now, like, rightnow, there's an opioid epidemic going
on in our countries and.
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Right.
It's just like people are.
Are dying.
No, it's terrible.
Deadly.
Yeah, a huge, huge amounts.
And it's really scary.
But, you know, to speak towhat you just said, I went to this
mental health foundationbreakfast a year or so ago, and I
was so proud of my citybecause there were 500 people there,
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and it was all businessmen,accountants, lawyers, bankers.
And the top was addiction.
And the topic was addiction.
And at the end of the session, we.
One of the facilitators got upand said, you know, you know that
there's a lot of people rightnow that are ODing on opioids.
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And there's a table set up inthe back where, if you'd like to,
you could pick up a naloxone kit.
A Narcan kit and carry it inyour briefcase or your purse.
And if you see someone ODingon your way to work, you could save
their life.
There was such a big lineup atthat table that they ran out of kits.
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Wow.
I was shocked.
I was so impressed.
And so.
Oh, I thought, oh, my God,that is so amazing.
Like, you know, picture thebusiness person walking with their
suit to work and seeingsomebody ODing on the.
On the side of the road andhaving the actual life saving tool
in their briefcase to be ableto administer.
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That's powerful.
It really is.
I'd heard that this washappening, and it's wonderful that
so many people wanted to stepup and be a good Samaritan.
I mean, that gives meconfidence in society, you know?
Yeah, yeah, me too.
The people are starting tounderstand more and more that we
have a big problem and thereshould not be a stigma to.
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Well, there shouldn't be astigma to any mental health disorder.
But, you know, unfortunately,we still got a ways to go.
Oh, yes.
People like to judge andlabel, and it takes a long time to
change that kind of mentalmindset, if you will.
So you were talking about yourbook being called Curveballs and
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the Curveballs in Life.
What kind of curveballs haveyou gone through?
What kind of curveballs haslife thrown you?
Yeah, so we've been talkingabout one.
Oh, okay.
So what happened to me, wheremy journey got derailed actually,
was when I was 12 years old.
My father died when I was 12.
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He was a pilot and he crashedhis plane.
And so my mom, with sixchildren in her mid-30s, moved us
from a small town to a city.
And unfortunately, I didn't do well.
I mean, I didn't do well withlosing my dad.
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Talk about trauma.
I pretended he was still alivefor two years.
I just said, was a spy for thegovernment, and they had to pretend
he was dead to protect us.
And then when we got to thecity, I just, I. I couldn't navigate
it at all.
So I.
To numb myself, I just turnedto drugs and alcohol and reckless
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behavior.
And this was before my 13th birthday.
And so, yeah, that was thestart of it.
And I stayed in activeaddiction for many years.
It was a decade before I evenstarted to come out the first time.
Wow, I'm sorry to hear of yourloss, but that's so often.
And people don't always thinkabout that.
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The addiction, the substance aperson chooses to use, that's just
a symptom.
There are underlying causesfor why people are medicating themselves,
you know, Often, Often.
Sometimes people just getcaught up in the party scene.
Sometimes the addiction comesfrom something like what I just shared,
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but sometimes it's just youngpeople partying for a few too many,
and then the chemistry of it,they just end up getting addicted
to it.
It's so dangerous, so very dangerous.
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
And I appreciate you sharingthat experience.
That's a time.
Well, you know, I heard thison another podcast, and it's so is
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this is me.
I come from a place of healedscars, not open wounds.
Oh, I like that.
Yeah.
When I heard it, I thought,man, that's me to a T. Right?
Like, I just, I've workedthrough and the fact that I have,
and I had a successful careerin Finance for 25 years.
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I was managing $130 million.
Like, this is my story thatyou don't have to stay in.
You know, life throwscurveballs at us.
It's not the curveballs that matters.
It's what you do with them.
And you can work through them.
You can work through them, andthey don't have to remain holding
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You know, music has been woveninto every human culture since the
dawn of time.
It's a language that speaks tothe soul, sparking emotions words
can't quite capture.
Science even shows.
It lights up multiple areas ofthe brain, changing our moods, calming
us or inspiring us to act.
Our guest today, Gail Taylor,knows that power firsthand.
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After a thriving career infinance, she boldly stepped into
the world of music.
And speaking in her 60s,proving it's never too late to follow
your passion.
She's a songwriter,philanthropist, and now the author
of Curveballs, a book packedwith real life stories and practical
tips to navigate life'sunexpected turns.
Gail's mission?
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To harness music'stransformative magic to inspire growth
and positive change.
We're diving into Gayle'sincredible journey and the lessons
she's learned.
Gail, you talk about life'scurveballs, and your book's about
that.
There's so much informationabout how we can overcome the curveballs
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life throws at us.
But it doesn't have to be theend of the world.
And a lot of these curveballscan be an opportunity for growth.
You know, I do believe thatlife gives us lessons, even lessons
we don't.
Want to have a hundredpercent, you know, and you have to
have curveballs.
Everybody has a version of my story.
You know, it might not be them.
It might be a friend or asibling or.
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But, you know, we all.
You'd have to live in a bubbleto not have.
Have curveballs thrown at you.
And for sure, you grow from them.
When you take a risk in life,because that's what life's about.
If you want to grow and youwant to achieve a dream, you're going
to have to take some risk.
And when you're going throughthat process, there are going to
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be some curveballs you got toduck or throw back.
It's like, okay, take that andjust keep going.
Right?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
What do I do with this one?
So you're a keynote speakerand what do you talk about exactly?
You're really helping a lot ofpeople grow in many different ways
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in business and in theirpersonal lives, Correct?
Yeah.
So I actually have threedifferent focuses on my topics.
One of them is addiction andhelping people understand what's
going on, what's going on withtheir loved ones.
So that's one of my big topicsis addiction.
And a second one is empowering women.
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And the third one is leveling up.
And that's more for thecorporate folks.
I've been studying personalgrowth and peak performance for 40
years.
In fact, that was one of myturning points, was in the 70s, I
started to, you know, figureout there's gotta be more to life
than this.
Like, I just woke up onemorning and I thought, well, I'm
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making a mess here.
Not just of my house, of my soul.
There's gotta be more to lifethan this.
And that sort of thought was aturning point.
And I started with NapoleonHill's book Think and Grow Rich.
I'm guessing a number of yourlisteners have either read it or
heard of it.
And then I continued to studythat whole genre for the next 40
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years.
And so all the tools that Italk about in my speeches and my
books, they're all differenttools that now I didn't reinvent
any.
Anything.
I just, you know, heard itover and over again and practiced
it.
And, hey, that one works.
That one worked for me.
So this is, you know, thespeeches are about, hey, you know,
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here's some curveballs I had,and here's some tools I used to get
through it and hopefully helpother people get to their next level.
I love it.
Now you talk about women'sempowerment, which is close to our
hearts here on the showbecause we're a women's empowerment
show.
I see you talk about believingin yourself and creating the life
you want is what it's all about.
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That's so powerful.
But I think that's somethingthat eludes a lot of people.
A lot of ladies don'tnecessarily follow the life they
want and they doubt themselves.
The imposter syndrome, it canbe huge.
It can.
And it's actually even one ofthe topics that I do cover is that
imposter syndrome.
But one of the biggest toolsthat I talk about is in this.
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In this vein is your yourself,your internal dialogue, right?
Your internal dialogue is everything.
If you can convince yourself,if you can talk to yourself in the
positive and not selfsabotage, which imposter syndrome
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does do that self sabotaging.
If you can get.
Get yourself so that you trainyour brain to.
To keep that internal dialoguepositive, that's.
That's key.
When I started doing This, Imean, many, many years ago, if I
found myself in my headthinking, oh, I'm not going to be
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able to do that.
Or then I had, I actuallystole this from Gail Uncle.
She was a long distance runnerin the 70s and she wrote a book called
I think Go for it.
But it was garbage in, garbage out.
So if I'm in my head and I'mthinking, oh, I'm not going to be
able to do that.
Garbage in, garbage out.
I yell it.
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I, you know, if I'm in thecar, I'm yelling, garbage in, garbage
out.
And then I reframe it and say,of course I'm going to be able to
do that.
And here are some of the stepsI can take to do it.
And I bring myself back tothat positive place.
And it takes work.
It's like everything else.
If you want to train for amarathon, you're not going to do
it overnight.
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If you want to retrain theself sabotage you're doing in your
brain, then you have to justcatch it.
Catch it.
Every time you have thethought that is not creating the
energy in the right direction,shut it down right away and move
it to the positive one.
And you get to a point whereyour subconscious just believes in
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the positive one, even if ithasn't happened yet.
And you can just create yourown world.
You're retraining your brainin many ways.
The brain isn't anticipatingfailure, it's thinking about the
possibilities instead.
You know, I have a musicbackground and I'm thinking back
on how our brains work.
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I remember working on adifficult piece and there was one.
You always have something inthe song that is more difficult and
harder to master than other areas.
And I remember my teachersaying, don't just go to that section,
go back a few measures and start.
And basically what that did, Ithink is stop my brain from anticipating
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that problem and I could sailthrough it eventually, right?
Yeah, yeah, That's a goodstrategy to look one step back.
The other thing too, with thetraining your brain and how your
brain got to where it is rightnow is that we all have a map.
Right.
I think it's like a quilt.
And it's all the experiencesthat we've had so far.
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And if you don't set thedirection of those experiences, then
life will do it for you.
And so you get theseexperiences that you didn't ask for,
but they came your way.
And so now you're thinking,okay, well I can't do that because
I tried it before and itdidn't work?
Well, no.
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Just because you tried itbefore and it didn't work doesn't
mean it won't work when youtry it again.
And so you are able to be thedirector, right?
Be the director and theproducer and figure out what it is
that you want out of your lifeand design it.
That's what it's all about.
It's designing your own life,reinventing yourself.
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I like that.
Be the master of your own destiny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So now the power of music.
I do believe that it'sincredibly powerful.
I mean, it's a time machine.
You listen to a song, andyou're back where you were when you
were, say, 13 years oldlistening to that song.
You know, and if you want toget motivated, I know that if I'm
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cleaning the house or doingsomething that I don't particularly
like, I put on some powerfulmusic, and I'll be dancing around,
and all of a sudden it's more fun.
So music can put us indifferent moods.
It can help us learn.
I mean, we use that aschildren, too.
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The power of music and what itdoes with our emotions and our brain.
Did you want to talk a littlebit about that?
Because you have some peakperformance tools in your book, and
you associate that andreinforce that with music.
I mean, that's powerful.
Oh, yeah.
And I even quote a HarvardMedical journal from their online
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site that they talk about howmusic actually gives you better memory,
gives you better focus.
It opens up your mind.
It's a proven fact that musichas the ability to elevate your brain.
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And the dopamine that'screated, it's just.
And I'm like you.
If I'm doing something, evenworking out, like, I'll go to the
gym and put on some old 60srock and roll Barry, and away I go.
There is no question thatmusic can.
You know, as I brought forwardearlier, it's healing, but it has
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a powerful, powerful effect onour brain.
Well, I can be in a bad moodand put on some music, you know,
a song that maybe fits withwhat I'm trying to accomplish.
I feel better after listeningto the song.
If I'm angry or something.
You could get an angry songout and sing it, and you know that
I'm gonna do this, and youjust feel better.
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It does something like yousaid, the dopamine, all of the interactions,
all of the neurochemicalreactions in our brain.
I can share something here.
My mother had a disability.
She had herpes encephalitis.
It was actually a cold sorethat went to her brain.
Really creepy.
It left her with a disability.
And I was working with her.
We had people helping her.
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I got music from when she wasin her 20s, and I brought it to the
house.
And she liked to dance whenshe was in her 20s.
And I got her some dance lessons.
And then during the week, whenshe wasn't dancing at her lesson,
she was listening to thismusic, and I saw an improvement in
her.
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It was really, really amazing.
Oh, that is so cool.
And good on you.
Kudos for doing that.
That's.
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly.
That's music.
It is.
And you know what was funny?
I went to one of her dance lessons.
I went to a few of them, and Iwas talking to the owner of the studio,
and she was dancing with thisyoung man on the dance floor, and
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she was leading.
And I.
And I said to the.
The owner of the studio, I said.
What is she doing?
She said, she actually learneda different technique in this ballroom
dancing when she was in her 20s.
She's not incorrect.
She's remembering it.
And she's leading the instructor.
Too cute.
Yeah.
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So music can reactivate maybeparts of our brain that have even
been damaged, you think?
Absolutely.
Yeah, I absolutely believe it can.
And it's also like themovement, the dance movement that
you're talking about.
So if you can.
Like, what I try to do with mykeynotes is, you know, I'll talk
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for 10 minutes, and then I'llput one of my songs on.
On the big screen with thevideo, and I'll get everyone in the
room to stand up and dance, orif they can't stand up, do the chair
dance, but move.
Because that movement that youdo, when you sit down and start listening
again, your ability to absorbis higher.
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It really is.
Yeah.
Your book, you said you havepeak performance tools.
What are those tools?
I'm curious.
I'm sure our listeners wouldlike to know, too.
Yeah, so there's like a ton ofthem throughout the book.
They weave throughout.
Whatever the chapter is.
Whatever I'm talking about, I did.
It's very.
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It's very eclectic in alldifferent areas of life.
Like, I did do a chapter onfinance and gave folks a lot of little
tools to, you know, if you do.
If you have investments, howto understand what's going on.
If you're just starting up,how to understand not to use credit
card debt.
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So there's a chapter on that,and then there's one that's staying
young, I think this one'scalled, and it's about the foundation.
And it's about using the tools.
You know, the three main.
The three biggest things inyour foundation is nutrition, exercise,
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and sleep.
Right.
If you can master those threeor take them a level higher than
what you have them right now,they're game changers.
You know, it's huge how muchmore energy you can have if you can
get those three.
I mean, I always say our body is.
It's the machine that.
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That's housing our brain.
And would you give, you know,cheap gas to a luxury car?
I don't think so.
Might not notice it rightaway, but the knocking's gonna start
happening.
Like, you know, don't, don't.
Don't use filler as your food.
It's your fuel.
And so, you know, and I'm notsaying the odd bag of chips is gonna
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make or break your.
Your situation, but.
But those are.
Yeah, those are some of thetools that.
And then.
And then I also talk aboutdifferent things like follow through.
To me, follow through is whatseparates the successful people from
the not so successful people.
It's not that they.
There's.
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They have.
They're any smarter, they'reany more connected.
It's that they found theirsecret sauce to be able to follow
through on their ideas and getthrough the grinds.
You know, you talked aboutthat grind when you're in a piece
of music that is really challenging.
And, you know, just doing itso many more times is.
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Is.
Is harder now.
It's not so easy becauseyou've been trying so hard, but you
gotta stick with it to getthat breakthrough.
And so, you know, so that's.
Yeah, I try to.
I try to use all the different.
All those different areas tohelp people pick out the ones that
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work for them.
That's good.
Well, it has to be personalized.
And certainly everybody learnsat a different level.
And they have likes and dislikes.
No one's alike.
And this is a personal way ofapproaching things.
But I think all of us can beguilty of.
When we see an obstacle, wewill tell ourselves, gee, that's
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awfully tough.
I don't know if I can do that.
And maybe we adopt a mindsetthat tells us, like you were saying,
that inner voice.
We push that away, we avoidit, we procrastinate, because we
think it's going to be tougherthan it really is until we really
get into the middle of it.
And sometimes music, if youhave it in the background, I think
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it can help.
Oh, yeah.
Especially if you're puttingon, like, an example like you just
said.
If your inner voice, you needyour inner voice to say, of course
I can do it, but I can beatthat obstacle, then I'm putting on
the eye of the tiger or we arethe champions.
You know, I'm putting onsomething that's going to push me
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through this one.
Sure.
And then what you said, too,about we're all different.
Right.
That's another little technique.
A little tool I talk about inthe book is, you know, there was
a time where they used to say,you know, you have your strengths
and your weaknesses and, youknow, try to work on your weaknesses.
But now the thought process ismore, delegate your weaknesses and
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take your strengths and buildon them, because that's you.
Those are the things you like.
Those are the things you'regood at.
Those are the things that aregoing to put the bounce in your staff.
And when it comes to livingyour best life, like, one of my big
things is all about passionand purpose.
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And I always say, find a jobthat you like, that you like doing.
Don't just go to the job forthe paycheck.
Go to a job that puts a bouncein your step and a twinkle in your
eye, and it's a lot easier.
It's a lot easier to do thanpeople think.
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Like an example that I giveis, my son works in pest control,
and he loves his job.
He absolutely loves it.
He loves being able to go intopeople's houses and explain to them
what's going on, whether it's,you know, cockroaches or bed bugs.
He can explain to them what'sgoing on, how he's going to treat
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it.
They leave their homes for thefour hours, and then he does everything,
and then they come back andthey have peace of mind again.
And that's powerful that he's.
Now, that job would be myworst nightmare.
Oh, I would hate it.
I want to be near those little crazy.
Oh, no, no, no.
Yeah.
I just.
Like, I was going to saybetter to him than me.
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I wouldn't want to do that at all.
That's what I'm saying.
A job that one person has thatthey love would be a job that another
person would hate.
And you could switch jobs.
Like I just say, keep looking,don't settle.
I mean, you can't quit yourjob if you, you know, you need to
pay your rent.
But, you know, while you're onyour look for a job that you're going
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to like and find you spendhalf your life, sometimes more, half
your waking hours at work.
So to me, it makes the mostsense to find something you're passionate
about.
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Welcome back to Women Roadwarriors with Shelly Johnson and
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Kathy Tucaro.
We've been talking aboutsomething that connects every culture,
every generation and every heart.
Music.
It's more than just sound.
It's a force that stirsemotion, sparks memories and speaks
where words fall short.
Our guest, Gail Taylor, hasbuilt her life around that truth.
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She shows people how to switchtheir inner dialogue from self sabotage
to empowerment.
After a high powered career infinance, she completely rewrote her
story, launching a thrivingmusic and speaking career in her
60s.
She's a songwriter, aphilanthropist, and the author of
Curveballs, where she sharesboth inspiring stories and practical
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tips for facing life'ssurprises head on.
She talks about the power ofmusic on the brain and peak performance
tools that people can use toempower themselves.
She recommends finding ourpassion and our purpose.
Gail's living proof that musicand empowerment can change lives,
and she's here to show us howit can change.
Yours too.
Do let's jump back into our conversation.
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Gail there's some people whodon't necessarily want to follow
their passion because they'reafraid, so they don't want to switch
jobs.
What do you say to somebody?
And I'm sure you run intopeople like that who say, I have
no choice, I can't do that.
I have to pay the bills andthis is just my lot in life.
Yeah, so I go back to what IJust finished saying.
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So, okay, so I'm a single.
This is.
This is a version of what youjust said.
I'm a single mom, and I havethree kids, and I have to pay the
rent and put the groceries onthe table.
I can't go find a job that I like.
And so I'm in this job that Ihate because I have to be.
And my answer to that is,typically, you might be an anomaly,
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but typically, if you're in ajob you hate, at the end of the day,
when you're going home, you'reliterally putting one foot in front
of the other.
You're emotionally andphysically Dr. Because you've been
doing something all day, andnow you're walking into your home
with.
With that energy for yourthree little kids.
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Now, what if you had a jobthat you absolutely loved and you
were bouncing into the houseand saying, hey, who wants to play?
Instead of, you know, get infront of the DB while I cook your
supper?
Like, I. I think you can'tafford not to go after it, you know,
instead of saying, I can'tafford to do it.
You can't afford not to.
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Our culture lets us settle.
So I get where that mindsetcomes from, but I don't buy it.
People do settle.
You hear it at different timesof people's lives.
It's like, well, I'm getting older.
Not that I can do about that.
And it's like, yeah, I hearthat, too.
But I. I mean, and even ageismnow, right?
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A lot of that.
I think that's the stupidestthing I've ever heard of.
I mean, some.
Some cultures understand thewisdom of the elders.
Ours thinks that, you know,you're done if you hit a certain
age.
And I also, like, in the musicindustry, I mean, you.
You know, from.
From your music, like, theyhit the age 30 and they think, oh,
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yeah, no, I didn't make it yet.
So I'm over the hill.
I got to go find a job that Ihate and get right out of the industry.
And I'm thinking, well, maybeyou can't be in the top 40.
But it's a pretty bigindustry, and I'm sure you can find
a role within it that you'repassionate about.
Sure, yeah.
You don't have to look like a teenager.
I mean, part of that ismarketing and the mainstream media
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and the mainstream labels andall of that.
The major labels that havemarketed the teenagers because they're
marketing to teenagers.
But, yeah, there's a hugemarket of listeners.
Well, look at all of the Majoricons, the music icons.
They're still performing.
A Mick Jagger.
He's in his 80s.
I know.
And he's on tour.
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I love it.
I absolutely love it.
Yeah, he's on tour in his 80s.
I mean, look at Willie Nelson.
I mean, Mick Jagger I kind of get.
Because, you know, he'shealthy and has exercised all his
life.
But you get people like KeithRichards and those two blow me away.
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Oh, yeah.
They're an anomaly when itcomes to taking care of the foundation.
Right, right.
But they did something theywere passionate about all their lives.
And I think that's where it shifts.
Shelley, you know, when Italked about coming from a place
of healed scars and not openwounds, I think if you're living
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a life that is on purpose,that whatever happened in the past
can be managed at a wholedifferent level.
Maybe you don't have as much regret.
Yeah, yeah.
You're able to put it in itsplace and just enjoy the moment.
Yeah.
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Because we do.
We can get entrenched with theshoulda woulda coulda's looking back
going, if I'd only taken thisdifferent route.
And we kick ourselves.
And that's self defeating.
But if you have a passionabout what you're doing, you have
goals, you leave a legacy.
I mean, we are really allhere, and if everyone thought that
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way, it would be great.
We're all here for a purpose.
We all have a purpose.
And if we go about life withintention, we help other people.
And that should be the legacywe all leave.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And what you just said, like,giving to me is so, so important.
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And not just to the personyou're giving to, but to yourself.
There's something called agiver's high and being able to look
out and, you know, how can Igive this person a leg up?
How can I help with this community?
What can I do?
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That is just like, to me,that's the ultimate.
That's, you know, that's avery, very powerful place to be in.
Absolutely.
You're impacting others andyou're facilitating their success
and their legacy, so you'repaying it forward.
And that's more powerful thananything you can think of, really.
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You have a lot of peoplewho've been out there, who've been
stars and everything else, butif they haven't really made a huge
impact on others, have theyreally done anything really?
You know, we don't have to bestars to be stars in our own right.
No, we don't.
We don't.
One of the songs I wrote'sCalled Home Away from Home.
And it's a real like kind oflittle rockabilly song about, you
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know, when you travel, get toknow the locals.
They have the magic.
The locals have the magic.
And, you know, some of themare living in hell because of the
poverty and some of the otherissues in a lot of these.
These countries that havetourist industries.
So, you know, treat them withrespect and.
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Yeah, yeah.
I just think it's just so important.
It's a global community andthey're all our neighbors.
They really are.
So where do people find youand can people find your book on
your website and can theyreach out to you?
I don't know.
Do you work with peopleindividually or is it primarily keynote
speaking to.
To big groups?
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Yeah, keynote speaking.
I don't do any coaching ormentoring, but I can be reached on
my website, which is justgailtaylormusic.com and Gail is spelled
G A I L. Okay.
And so gailtaylormusic.com andthen you can get all my social media
connections.
But the books, Amazon, Barnesand Nobles, chapters Indigo, you
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can find the book anywhere youbuy a book.
Sure.
And I love the title, Curveballs.
I mean, that pretty much saysit all.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, that's it.
Right?
That's the whole.
It's all about the curveball.
Not the curveballs, but whatyou do with them.
And like, you brought forwardin the beginning of this interview,
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sometimes it's a good thing tohave that curveball because the insight
and the growth that you gotfrom experiencing it is really what
you needed at that juncture inyour life.
Well, the problem solvingmakes us innovative.
You know, a lot of the biginventions we've had through time
were probably because of a curveball.
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It's like, how do we solve this?
Yeah, yeah.
And often, especially in themedical profession, they were trying
to solve something else, andit was an unintended consequence
and it ended up being.
Yeah.
Being the solution.
And the other.
The other thing on that note,too is that.
And I talk about this in thebook, the different personality types.
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Right?
There's.
There's four differentpersonality types and then there's
16 subtypes.
So you might look at somebodyand say, well, you know, I want to
be like that person, but I'm not.
Well, I love being on stageand I love doing the keynote speaking,
and it just energizes me.
But I have a sister that.
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That would.
Her worst nightmare.
She's shy.
She.
She doesn't want to be thecenter of attention.
You know, it's Just, it's nother personality, it's mine.
And.
And once you, you know, learnwhat your personality traits is,
sometimes it's a good thing tostudy the four different personality
traits, because then you can identify.
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Oh, that's why they'redifferent than me.
Right?
It's not that.
It's not that I'm broken.
Like, I actually thought I wasbroken because I liked attention
until I realized that thedifferent personality types and what
was going on with mypersonality type, I thought, oh,
you know, like, I was kind ofbrought up.
You're supposed to be humbleand modest and in the background.
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And that was the last thing Iwanted to do.
You'll see on my website, Ieven bought myself a keytar so I
could be at the front of thestage instead of the back, because
the vocalist.
So you broke through the mold and.
You figured out who you are.
And I think that's what all ofus need to do.
A lot of us, I think, bouncethrough life and never really know
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ourselves.
So this book will get people thinking.
I like it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Self awareness.
Yeah, you hit it.
Self awareness.
And I don't care how old you are.
You know, you could be 20years old and you could be 70 years
old.
It doesn't matter.
You can still, you know,there's people that.
There's one lady got her PhDwhen she was 81.
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Why not?
Yeah, why not?
Yeah, why not?
Age is just a number on the calendar.
That's all it is.
It's a human concept, right?
There's old people in their20s, and there's young people in
their 80s.
I've met the old people intheir 20s.
I've heard things.
It's like, what did you just say?
I'm not as young as I used to be.
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What?
Oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah.
It's crazy.
And smile a lot, becausesmiling actually.
Oh, I actually heard this onefrom Tony Robbins.
This is a really good one.
If you're all upset aboutsomething and so the negative thoughts
are going on and you're allupset about something, try getting
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mad at the person that you'retrying to get mad at with a big smile
on your face.
You know, vent, vent and whineto me about something.
I'll say, okay, you want tovent to me?
No problem.
But I want you to do it with asmile on your face.
It's impossible because assoon as you smile, your brain thinks
that you're happy at home.
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Get caught in the wozy wozy me place.
A smile actually creates endorphins.
Yes, it does it?
Absolutely does.
Yeah.
So where do people find youagain, Gail, and your book?
Gailtaylormusic.com is mywebsite and my book.
You can get a link to my bookon my website, but you can also find
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my book anywhere that you buya book.
So Amazon, if you do the Eversion of the book.
So Kindle and Apple as well.
And I'm almost done the audioversion and I'm narrating it myself
so you get to listen to my giggles.
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Excellent.
This has been a blast talkingto you, Gail.
I feel better just talking to you.
This is great.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And I really enjoyed talkingto you.
This was pretty cool.
We've covered a lot of topics,but not everything.
Certainly there's so much herethat we have to unpack, but I think
that we got a good start andwe got people maybe thinking in a
(48:23):
new way.
So we've accomplishedsomething there.
That's great.
Go for it.
That's what I say.
You got this, you got it.
I love it.
Thank you, Gail.
This has been great.
Oh, thanks for having me.
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Music has had a common threadwithin every human civilization since
the beginning of time.
Scientists have shown that itactivates various parts of the brain.
It can change our moods,inspire, calm us and influence us.
It can elicit many types ofemotions by expressing things that
words cannot.
And it's a universal language.
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Music can impact us in waysthat language can't.
Gail Taylor knows the value of music.
She communicates core messagesthrough music to inspire personal
growth.
She believes in thetransformative power of music.
Gayle came from a successfulcareer in finance and transitioned
into a successful musical andspeaking career in her 60s.
(01:27):
She's also a songwriter and philanthropist.
She's written a new bookcalled Curveballs.
Her journey is a testament toresilience and embracing passion.
Her mission is how musicoffers the unique ability to transform
lives and foster positive change.
We wanted to learn more, so weinvited Gail on the show.
Welcome, Gail.
(01:48):
Thank you for being on the show.
Oh, no problem.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm really honored to be here.
Oh, this is terrific.
You have so much insight thatI can't wait to dig into, if you
will.
Could you start maybe with howyou got started with all of this
going from finance to music?
That's quite a juxtaposition.
(02:09):
Yeah.
What happened was when I was58, I started taking piano lessons.
And Shelley, I had no music background.
I had never had a lesson in aninstrument in my life.
And so I'm starting from thevery beginning learning scales.
CD athletic.
(02:29):
Oh, my God.
I fell in love with it.
I just like music actuallycame flooding back into my life from
a listening.
I didn't even realize that Ihadn't been listening to it for 25
years because in the car I waslistening to books on economics.
And so, yeah, so I startedtaking these piano lessons.
(02:50):
And two years into it, Ithought, I'm going to retire a little
earlier than I had planned andsell my practice and study music
full time.
And so at age 61, I sold mypractice and I started studying music
full time.
And I'm I've got private teachers.
I'm taking bass guitarlessons, keyboard lessons, songwriting
(03:14):
ear training.
I'm studying through BerkeleySchool of Music.
I mean, Berkeley.
Oh, my.
That's a wonderful.
I know, but I didn't have to audition.
It was it.
Because it was an online.
You just had to pay the feeand you got these amazing instructors.
So after two years of this, Ithought, I'm going to reinvent myself
(03:36):
as a musician.
And when I shared that storyto folks, I kept getting the same
reaction over and over again.
I kept getting people saying,oh, that's so inspiring.
I'm going to go do somethingthey had put on the back burner.
And I kept hearing this overand over again, and I thought, whoa.
(03:57):
Never mind being a musician.
I'm going to come out ofretirement, start Gail Taylor music,
become a keynote speaker, anduse my music and my stories to help
folks become their best selves.
And.
And so that's how I got here.
And you obviously have anatural affinity, a natural talent
(04:19):
for music.
Oh, no.
Hours and hours and hours and hours.
A practice.
Sure.
Well, you have to.
It takes a lot of practice toget to Carnegie hall, as we all know.
Oh, yeah.
There's a lot of work involved.
But the insight that you have,realizing that music is a catalyst.
(04:41):
Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, when you weresaying that in the introduction about
what music can do, it can heal.
Like, music is so powerful.
So right now, my catalog hasabout 18 songs in it, and it's all
inspirational music.
Every song is a story.
Sometimes it's aboutcurveballs that I experienced in
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life.
And it's a story about, youknow, working your way through these
things.
Can music help us work throughthings, you think?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
It's transcending.
You know, like I had in.
In my book, you mentioned thatI had my new book, Curveballs, coming
out.
Curveballs is like two genres.
(05:26):
It's memoirs.
It's stories of things that.
That happened to me,challenges that happened in my life,
and then personal growth andpeak performance.
Tools that I use to getthrough it.
And then at the end of everychapter, there's a QR code so you
(05:49):
can scan it and go and listento the song that was inspired by
that story and watch the lyric video.
I literally put a soundtrackin my book.
I love it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
And so one of the chapters iscalled Wings, and Wings is a story
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about addiction, and it'sreally a story about trying to help
folks that have loved onesthat are in addiction to give themselves
permission to still be happy.
Right.
You're on a parallel journeywith somebody that's really struggling,
but you don't get to controltheir journey.
And you don't have to live in,you know, worry and dysfunction all
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day, every day because theymay the choice of that path.
And so, you know, that song'svery emotional.
You need a Kleenex box to golisten to that one.
But, yeah, I've had a lot offeedback from people saying, thank
you so much for sharing that.
I really needed it, and itreally put me into a calmer place.
(06:58):
Oh, that's excellent.
Sometimes people just need tohear it from someone else to know
that they're not aloneexperiencing some of these things
too.
Oh, that's.
Yeah, that's a really powerfulcomment because that is so true,
especially with that topic.
Right.
When you're talking aboutaddiction, Whether you're the addict
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that's ashamed of it so youdon't want to get help, or whether
you're a family member of theaddict that, you know is embarrassed
because their adult son is onthis path.
Yeah, it's not.
It's a mental disorder, andthere's no reason for there to be
any shame or embarrassment.
(07:38):
And when you understand thatthere's a lot of doctors and lawyers
and rock stars and everybodyelse goes through.
Makes it so much easier for you.
It does.
You aren't stigmatized, andthere still is a lot of that.
Yes, there is.
You wouldn't think there wouldbe, but there still is a lot of judgment
by other people.
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And an addict may want to gethelp, but then they are shunned and
judged.
Yes, but I'm gonna say lessthan in the.
In the past.
And right now, like, rightnow, there's an opioid epidemic going
on in our countries and.
(08:21):
Right.
It's just like people are.
Are dying.
No, it's terrible.
Deadly.
Yeah, a huge, huge amounts.
And it's really scary.
But, you know, to speak towhat you just said, I went to this
mental health foundationbreakfast a year or so ago, and I
was so proud of my citybecause there were 500 people there,
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and it was all businessmen,accountants, lawyers, bankers.
And the top was addiction.
And the topic was addiction.
And at the end of the session, we.
One of the facilitators got upand said, you know, you know that
there's a lot of people rightnow that are ODing on opioids.
(09:06):
And there's a table set up inthe back where, if you'd like to,
you could pick up a naloxone kit.
A Narcan kit and carry it inyour briefcase or your purse.
And if you see someone ODingon your way to work, you could save
their life.
There was such a big lineup atthat table that they ran out of kits.
(09:28):
Wow.
I was shocked.
I was so impressed.
And so.
Oh, I thought, oh, my God,that is so amazing.
Like, you know, picture thebusiness person walking with their
suit to work and seeingsomebody ODing on the.
On the side of the road andhaving the actual life saving tool
in their briefcase to be ableto administer.
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That's powerful.
It really is.
I'd heard that this washappening, and it's wonderful that
so many people wanted to stepup and be a good Samaritan.
I mean, that gives meconfidence in society, you know?
Yeah, yeah, me too.
The people are starting tounderstand more and more that we
have a big problem and thereshould not be a stigma to.
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Well, there shouldn't be astigma to any mental health disorder.
But, you know, unfortunately,we still got a ways to go.
Oh, yes.
People like to judge andlabel, and it takes a long time to
change that kind of mentalmindset, if you will.
So you were talking about yourbook being called Curveballs and
(10:32):
the Curveballs in Life.
What kind of curveballs haveyou gone through?
What kind of curveballs haslife thrown you?
Yeah, so we've been talkingabout one.
Oh, okay.
So what happened to me, wheremy journey got derailed actually,
was when I was 12 years old.
My father died when I was 12.
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He was a pilot and he crashedhis plane.
And so my mom, with sixchildren in her mid-30s, moved us
from a small town to a city.
And unfortunately, I didn't do well.
I mean, I didn't do well withlosing my dad.
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Talk about trauma.
I pretended he was still alivefor two years.
I just said, was a spy for thegovernment, and they had to pretend
he was dead to protect us.
And then when we got to thecity, I just, I. I couldn't navigate
it at all.
So I.
To numb myself, I just turnedto drugs and alcohol and reckless
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behavior.
And this was before my 13th birthday.
And so, yeah, that was thestart of it.
And I stayed in activeaddiction for many years.
It was a decade before I evenstarted to come out the first time.
Wow, I'm sorry to hear of yourloss, but that's so often.
And people don't always thinkabout that.
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The addiction, the substance aperson chooses to use, that's just
a symptom.
There are underlying causesfor why people are medicating themselves,
you know, Often, Often.
Sometimes people just getcaught up in the party scene.
Sometimes the addiction comesfrom something like what I just shared,
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but sometimes it's just youngpeople partying for a few too many,
and then the chemistry of it,they just end up getting addicted
to it.
It's so dangerous, so very dangerous.
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
And I appreciate you sharingthat experience.
That's a time.
Well, you know, I heard thison another podcast, and it's so is
(12:39):
this is me.
I come from a place of healedscars, not open wounds.
Oh, I like that.
Yeah.
When I heard it, I thought,man, that's me to a T. Right?
Like, I just, I've workedthrough and the fact that I have,
and I had a successful careerin Finance for 25 years.
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I was managing $130 million.
Like, this is my story thatyou don't have to stay in.
You know, life throwscurveballs at us.
It's not the curveballs that matters.
It's what you do with them.
And you can work through them.
You can work through them, andthey don't have to remain holding
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You know, music has been woveninto every human culture since the
dawn of time.
It's a language that speaks tothe soul, sparking emotions words
can't quite capture.
Science even shows.
It lights up multiple areas ofthe brain, changing our moods, calming
us or inspiring us to act.
Our guest today, Gail Taylor,knows that power firsthand.
(15:53):
After a thriving career infinance, she boldly stepped into
the world of music.
And speaking in her 60s,proving it's never too late to follow
your passion.
She's a songwriter,philanthropist, and now the author
of Curveballs, a book packedwith real life stories and practical
tips to navigate life'sunexpected turns.
Gail's mission?
(16:13):
To harness music'stransformative magic to inspire growth
and positive change.
We're diving into Gayle'sincredible journey and the lessons
she's learned.
Gail, you talk about life'scurveballs, and your book's about
that.
There's so much informationabout how we can overcome the curveballs
(16:33):
life throws at us.
But it doesn't have to be theend of the world.
And a lot of these curveballscan be an opportunity for growth.
You know, I do believe thatlife gives us lessons, even lessons
we don't.
Want to have a hundredpercent, you know, and you have to
have curveballs.
Everybody has a version of my story.
You know, it might not be them.
It might be a friend or asibling or.
(16:56):
But, you know, we all.
You'd have to live in a bubbleto not have.
Have curveballs thrown at you.
And for sure, you grow from them.
When you take a risk in life,because that's what life's about.
If you want to grow and youwant to achieve a dream, you're going
to have to take some risk.
And when you're going throughthat process, there are going to
(17:16):
be some curveballs you got toduck or throw back.
It's like, okay, take that andjust keep going.
Right?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
What do I do with this one?
So you're a keynote speakerand what do you talk about exactly?
You're really helping a lot ofpeople grow in many different ways
(17:36):
in business and in theirpersonal lives, Correct?
Yeah.
So I actually have threedifferent focuses on my topics.
One of them is addiction andhelping people understand what's
going on, what's going on withtheir loved ones.
So that's one of my big topicsis addiction.
And a second one is empowering women.
(17:59):
And the third one is leveling up.
And that's more for thecorporate folks.
I've been studying personalgrowth and peak performance for 40
years.
In fact, that was one of myturning points, was in the 70s, I
started to, you know, figureout there's gotta be more to life
than this.
Like, I just woke up onemorning and I thought, well, I'm
(18:21):
making a mess here.
Not just of my house, of my soul.
There's gotta be more to lifethan this.
And that sort of thought was aturning point.
And I started with NapoleonHill's book Think and Grow Rich.
I'm guessing a number of yourlisteners have either read it or
heard of it.
And then I continued to studythat whole genre for the next 40
(18:45):
years.
And so all the tools that Italk about in my speeches and my
books, they're all differenttools that now I didn't reinvent
any.
Anything.
I just, you know, heard itover and over again and practiced
it.
And, hey, that one works.
That one worked for me.
So this is, you know, thespeeches are about, hey, you know,
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here's some curveballs I had,and here's some tools I used to get
through it and hopefully helpother people get to their next level.
I love it.
Now you talk about women'sempowerment, which is close to our
hearts here on the showbecause we're a women's empowerment
show.
I see you talk about believingin yourself and creating the life
you want is what it's all about.
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That's so powerful.
But I think that's somethingthat eludes a lot of people.
A lot of ladies don'tnecessarily follow the life they
want and they doubt themselves.
The imposter syndrome, it canbe huge.
It can.
And it's actually even one ofthe topics that I do cover is that
imposter syndrome.
But one of the biggest toolsthat I talk about is in this.
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In this vein is your yourself,your internal dialogue, right?
Your internal dialogue is everything.
If you can convince yourself,if you can talk to yourself in the
positive and not selfsabotage, which imposter syndrome
(20:13):
does do that self sabotaging.
If you can get.
Get yourself so that you trainyour brain to.
To keep that internal dialoguepositive, that's.
That's key.
When I started doing This, Imean, many, many years ago, if I
found myself in my headthinking, oh, I'm not going to be
(20:34):
able to do that.
Or then I had, I actuallystole this from Gail Uncle.
She was a long distance runnerin the 70s and she wrote a book called
I think Go for it.
But it was garbage in, garbage out.
So if I'm in my head and I'mthinking, oh, I'm not going to be
able to do that.
Garbage in, garbage out.
I yell it.
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I, you know, if I'm in thecar, I'm yelling, garbage in, garbage
out.
And then I reframe it and say,of course I'm going to be able to
do that.
And here are some of the stepsI can take to do it.
And I bring myself back tothat positive place.
And it takes work.
It's like everything else.
If you want to train for amarathon, you're not going to do
it overnight.
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If you want to retrain theself sabotage you're doing in your
brain, then you have to justcatch it.
Catch it.
Every time you have thethought that is not creating the
energy in the right direction,shut it down right away and move
it to the positive one.
And you get to a point whereyour subconscious just believes in
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the positive one, even if ithasn't happened yet.
And you can just create yourown world.
You're retraining your brainin many ways.
The brain isn't anticipatingfailure, it's thinking about the
possibilities instead.
You know, I have a musicbackground and I'm thinking back
on how our brains work.
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I remember working on adifficult piece and there was one.
You always have something inthe song that is more difficult and
harder to master than other areas.
And I remember my teachersaying, don't just go to that section,
go back a few measures and start.
And basically what that did, Ithink is stop my brain from anticipating
(22:19):
that problem and I could sailthrough it eventually, right?
Yeah, yeah, That's a goodstrategy to look one step back.
The other thing too, with thetraining your brain and how your
brain got to where it is rightnow is that we all have a map.
Right.
I think it's like a quilt.
And it's all the experiencesthat we've had so far.
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And if you don't set thedirection of those experiences, then
life will do it for you.
And so you get theseexperiences that you didn't ask for,
but they came your way.
And so now you're thinking,okay, well I can't do that because
I tried it before and itdidn't work?
Well, no.
(23:02):
Just because you tried itbefore and it didn't work doesn't
mean it won't work when youtry it again.
And so you are able to be thedirector, right?
Be the director and theproducer and figure out what it is
that you want out of your lifeand design it.
That's what it's all about.
It's designing your own life,reinventing yourself.
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I like that.
Be the master of your own destiny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So now the power of music.
I do believe that it'sincredibly powerful.
I mean, it's a time machine.
You listen to a song, andyou're back where you were when you
were, say, 13 years oldlistening to that song.
You know, and if you want toget motivated, I know that if I'm
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cleaning the house or doingsomething that I don't particularly
like, I put on some powerfulmusic, and I'll be dancing around,
and all of a sudden it's more fun.
So music can put us indifferent moods.
It can help us learn.
I mean, we use that aschildren, too.
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The power of music and what itdoes with our emotions and our brain.
Did you want to talk a littlebit about that?
Because you have some peakperformance tools in your book, and
you associate that andreinforce that with music.
I mean, that's powerful.
Oh, yeah.
And I even quote a HarvardMedical journal from their online
(24:28):
site that they talk about howmusic actually gives you better memory,
gives you better focus.
It opens up your mind.
It's a proven fact that musichas the ability to elevate your brain.
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And the dopamine that'screated, it's just.
And I'm like you.
If I'm doing something, evenworking out, like, I'll go to the
gym and put on some old 60srock and roll Barry, and away I go.
There is no question thatmusic can.
You know, as I brought forwardearlier, it's healing, but it has
(25:13):
a powerful, powerful effect onour brain.
Well, I can be in a bad moodand put on some music, you know,
a song that maybe fits withwhat I'm trying to accomplish.
I feel better after listeningto the song.
If I'm angry or something.
You could get an angry songout and sing it, and you know that
I'm gonna do this, and youjust feel better.
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It does something like yousaid, the dopamine, all of the interactions,
all of the neurochemicalreactions in our brain.
I can share something here.
My mother had a disability.
She had herpes encephalitis.
It was actually a cold sorethat went to her brain.
Really creepy.
It left her with a disability.
And I was working with her.
We had people helping her.
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I got music from when she wasin her 20s, and I brought it to the
house.
And she liked to dance whenshe was in her 20s.
And I got her some dance lessons.
And then during the week, whenshe wasn't dancing at her lesson,
she was listening to thismusic, and I saw an improvement in
her.
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It was really, really amazing.
Oh, that is so cool.
And good on you.
Kudos for doing that.
That's.
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly.
That's music.
It is.
And you know what was funny?
I went to one of her dance lessons.
I went to a few of them, and Iwas talking to the owner of the studio,
and she was dancing with thisyoung man on the dance floor, and
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she was leading.
And I.
And I said to the.
The owner of the studio, I said.
What is she doing?
She said, she actually learneda different technique in this ballroom
dancing when she was in her 20s.
She's not incorrect.
She's remembering it.
And she's leading the instructor.
Too cute.
Yeah.
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So music can reactivate maybeparts of our brain that have even
been damaged, you think?
Absolutely.
Yeah, I absolutely believe it can.
And it's also like themovement, the dance movement that
you're talking about.
So if you can.
Like, what I try to do with mykeynotes is, you know, I'll talk
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for 10 minutes, and then I'llput one of my songs on.
On the big screen with thevideo, and I'll get everyone in the
room to stand up and dance, orif they can't stand up, do the chair
dance, but move.
Because that movement that youdo, when you sit down and start listening
again, your ability to absorbis higher.
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It really is.
Yeah.
Your book, you said you havepeak performance tools.
What are those tools?
I'm curious.
I'm sure our listeners wouldlike to know, too.
Yeah, so there's like a ton ofthem throughout the book.
They weave throughout.
Whatever the chapter is.
Whatever I'm talking about, I did.
It's very.
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It's very eclectic in alldifferent areas of life.
Like, I did do a chapter onfinance and gave folks a lot of little
tools to, you know, if you do.
If you have investments, howto understand what's going on.
If you're just starting up,how to understand not to use credit
card debt.
(28:26):
So there's a chapter on that,and then there's one that's staying
young, I think this one'scalled, and it's about the foundation.
And it's about using the tools.
You know, the three main.
The three biggest things inyour foundation is nutrition, exercise,
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and sleep.
Right.
If you can master those threeor take them a level higher than
what you have them right now,they're game changers.
You know, it's huge how muchmore energy you can have if you can
get those three.
I mean, I always say our body is.
It's the machine that.
(29:07):
That's housing our brain.
And would you give, you know,cheap gas to a luxury car?
I don't think so.
Might not notice it rightaway, but the knocking's gonna start
happening.
Like, you know, don't, don't.
Don't use filler as your food.
It's your fuel.
And so, you know, and I'm notsaying the odd bag of chips is gonna
(29:30):
make or break your.
Your situation, but.
But those are.
Yeah, those are some of thetools that.
And then.
And then I also talk aboutdifferent things like follow through.
To me, follow through is whatseparates the successful people from
the not so successful people.
It's not that they.
There's.
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They have.
They're any smarter, they'reany more connected.
It's that they found theirsecret sauce to be able to follow
through on their ideas and getthrough the grinds.
You know, you talked aboutthat grind when you're in a piece
of music that is really challenging.
And, you know, just doing itso many more times is.
(30:14):
Is.
Is harder now.
It's not so easy becauseyou've been trying so hard, but you
gotta stick with it to getthat breakthrough.
And so, you know, so that's.
Yeah, I try to.
I try to use all the different.
All those different areas tohelp people pick out the ones that
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work for them.
That's good.
Well, it has to be personalized.
And certainly everybody learnsat a different level.
And they have likes and dislikes.
No one's alike.
And this is a personal way ofapproaching things.
But I think all of us can beguilty of.
When we see an obstacle, wewill tell ourselves, gee, that's
(30:55):
awfully tough.
I don't know if I can do that.
And maybe we adopt a mindsetthat tells us, like you were saying,
that inner voice.
We push that away, we avoidit, we procrastinate, because we
think it's going to be tougherthan it really is until we really
get into the middle of it.
And sometimes music, if youhave it in the background, I think
(31:17):
it can help.
Oh, yeah.
Especially if you're puttingon, like, an example like you just
said.
If your inner voice, you needyour inner voice to say, of course
I can do it, but I can beatthat obstacle, then I'm putting on
the eye of the tiger or we arethe champions.
You know, I'm putting onsomething that's going to push me
(31:40):
through this one.
Sure.
And then what you said, too,about we're all different.
Right.
That's another little technique.
A little tool I talk about inthe book is, you know, there was
a time where they used to say,you know, you have your strengths
and your weaknesses and, youknow, try to work on your weaknesses.
But now the thought process ismore, delegate your weaknesses and
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take your strengths and buildon them, because that's you.
Those are the things you like.
Those are the things you'regood at.
Those are the things that aregoing to put the bounce in your staff.
And when it comes to livingyour best life, like, one of my big
things is all about passionand purpose.
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And I always say, find a jobthat you like, that you like doing.
Don't just go to the job forthe paycheck.
Go to a job that puts a bouncein your step and a twinkle in your
eye, and it's a lot easier.
It's a lot easier to do thanpeople think.
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Like an example that I giveis, my son works in pest control,
and he loves his job.
He absolutely loves it.
He loves being able to go intopeople's houses and explain to them
what's going on, whether it's,you know, cockroaches or bed bugs.
He can explain to them what'sgoing on, how he's going to treat
(33:06):
it.
They leave their homes for thefour hours, and then he does everything,
and then they come back andthey have peace of mind again.
And that's powerful that he's.
Now, that job would be myworst nightmare.
Oh, I would hate it.
I want to be near those little crazy.
Oh, no, no, no.
Yeah.
I just.
Like, I was going to saybetter to him than me.
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I wouldn't want to do that at all.
That's what I'm saying.
A job that one person has thatthey love would be a job that another
person would hate.
And you could switch jobs.
Like I just say, keep looking,don't settle.
I mean, you can't quit yourjob if you, you know, you need to
pay your rent.
But, you know, while you're onyour look for a job that you're going
(33:49):
to like and find you spendhalf your life, sometimes more, half
your waking hours at work.
So to me, it makes the mostsense to find something you're passionate
about.
Find your passion, find yourpurpose, and just go for it.
Stay tuned for more of WomenRoad warriors coming up.
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Welcome back to Women Roadwarriors with Shelly Johnson and
(35:21):
Kathy Tucaro.
We've been talking aboutsomething that connects every culture,
every generation and every heart.
Music.
It's more than just sound.
It's a force that stirsemotion, sparks memories and speaks
where words fall short.
Our guest, Gail Taylor, hasbuilt her life around that truth.
(35:44):
She shows people how to switchtheir inner dialogue from self sabotage
to empowerment.
After a high powered career infinance, she completely rewrote her
story, launching a thrivingmusic and speaking career in her
60s.
She's a songwriter, aphilanthropist, and the author of
Curveballs, where she sharesboth inspiring stories and practical
(36:04):
tips for facing life'ssurprises head on.
She talks about the power ofmusic on the brain and peak performance
tools that people can use toempower themselves.
She recommends finding ourpassion and our purpose.
Gail's living proof that musicand empowerment can change lives,
and she's here to show us howit can change.
Yours too.
Do let's jump back into our conversation.
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Gail there's some people whodon't necessarily want to follow
their passion because they'reafraid, so they don't want to switch
jobs.
What do you say to somebody?
And I'm sure you run intopeople like that who say, I have
no choice, I can't do that.
I have to pay the bills andthis is just my lot in life.
Yeah, so I go back to what IJust finished saying.
(36:46):
So, okay, so I'm a single.
This is.
This is a version of what youjust said.
I'm a single mom, and I havethree kids, and I have to pay the
rent and put the groceries onthe table.
I can't go find a job that I like.
And so I'm in this job that Ihate because I have to be.
And my answer to that is,typically, you might be an anomaly,
(37:10):
but typically, if you're in ajob you hate, at the end of the day,
when you're going home, you'reliterally putting one foot in front
of the other.
You're emotionally andphysically Dr. Because you've been
doing something all day, andnow you're walking into your home
with.
With that energy for yourthree little kids.
(37:31):
Now, what if you had a jobthat you absolutely loved and you
were bouncing into the houseand saying, hey, who wants to play?
Instead of, you know, get infront of the DB while I cook your
supper?
Like, I. I think you can'tafford not to go after it, you know,
instead of saying, I can'tafford to do it.
You can't afford not to.
(37:54):
Our culture lets us settle.
So I get where that mindsetcomes from, but I don't buy it.
People do settle.
You hear it at different timesof people's lives.
It's like, well, I'm getting older.
Not that I can do about that.
And it's like, yeah, I hearthat, too.
But I. I mean, and even ageismnow, right?
(38:14):
A lot of that.
I think that's the stupidestthing I've ever heard of.
I mean, some.
Some cultures understand thewisdom of the elders.
Ours thinks that, you know,you're done if you hit a certain
age.
And I also, like, in the musicindustry, I mean, you.
You know, from.
From your music, like, theyhit the age 30 and they think, oh,
(38:37):
yeah, no, I didn't make it yet.
So I'm over the hill.
I got to go find a job that Ihate and get right out of the industry.
And I'm thinking, well, maybeyou can't be in the top 40.
But it's a pretty bigindustry, and I'm sure you can find
a role within it that you'repassionate about.
Sure, yeah.
You don't have to look like a teenager.
I mean, part of that ismarketing and the mainstream media
(38:59):
and the mainstream labels andall of that.
The major labels that havemarketed the teenagers because they're
marketing to teenagers.
But, yeah, there's a hugemarket of listeners.
Well, look at all of the Majoricons, the music icons.
They're still performing.
A Mick Jagger.
He's in his 80s.
I know.
And he's on tour.
(39:20):
I love it.
I absolutely love it.
Yeah, he's on tour in his 80s.
I mean, look at Willie Nelson.
I mean, Mick Jagger I kind of get.
Because, you know, he'shealthy and has exercised all his
life.
But you get people like KeithRichards and those two blow me away.
(39:42):
Oh, yeah.
They're an anomaly when itcomes to taking care of the foundation.
Right, right.
But they did something theywere passionate about all their lives.
And I think that's where it shifts.
Shelley, you know, when Italked about coming from a place
of healed scars and not openwounds, I think if you're living
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a life that is on purpose,that whatever happened in the past
can be managed at a wholedifferent level.
Maybe you don't have as much regret.
Yeah, yeah.
You're able to put it in itsplace and just enjoy the moment.
Yeah.
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Because we do.
We can get entrenched with theshoulda woulda coulda's looking back
going, if I'd only taken thisdifferent route.
And we kick ourselves.
And that's self defeating.
But if you have a passionabout what you're doing, you have
goals, you leave a legacy.
I mean, we are really allhere, and if everyone thought that
(40:43):
way, it would be great.
We're all here for a purpose.
We all have a purpose.
And if we go about life withintention, we help other people.
And that should be the legacywe all leave.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And what you just said, like,giving to me is so, so important.
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And not just to the personyou're giving to, but to yourself.
There's something called agiver's high and being able to look
out and, you know, how can Igive this person a leg up?
How can I help with this community?
What can I do?
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That is just like, to me,that's the ultimate.
That's, you know, that's avery, very powerful place to be in.
Absolutely.
You're impacting others andyou're facilitating their success
and their legacy, so you'repaying it forward.
And that's more powerful thananything you can think of, really.
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You have a lot of peoplewho've been out there, who've been
stars and everything else, butif they haven't really made a huge
impact on others, have theyreally done anything really?
You know, we don't have to bestars to be stars in our own right.
No, we don't.
We don't.
One of the songs I wrote'sCalled Home Away from Home.
And it's a real like kind oflittle rockabilly song about, you
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know, when you travel, get toknow the locals.
They have the magic.
The locals have the magic.
And, you know, some of themare living in hell because of the
poverty and some of the otherissues in a lot of these.
These countries that havetourist industries.
So, you know, treat them withrespect and.
(42:34):
Yeah, yeah.
I just think it's just so important.
It's a global community andthey're all our neighbors.
They really are.
So where do people find youand can people find your book on
your website and can theyreach out to you?
I don't know.
Do you work with peopleindividually or is it primarily keynote
speaking to.
To big groups?
(42:55):
Yeah, keynote speaking.
I don't do any coaching ormentoring, but I can be reached on
my website, which is justgailtaylormusic.com and Gail is spelled
G A I L. Okay.
And so gailtaylormusic.com andthen you can get all my social media
connections.
But the books, Amazon, Barnesand Nobles, chapters Indigo, you
(43:21):
can find the book anywhere youbuy a book.
Sure.
And I love the title, Curveballs.
I mean, that pretty much saysit all.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, that's it.
Right?
That's the whole.
It's all about the curveball.
Not the curveballs, but whatyou do with them.
And like, you brought forwardin the beginning of this interview,
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sometimes it's a good thing tohave that curveball because the insight
and the growth that you gotfrom experiencing it is really what
you needed at that juncture inyour life.
Well, the problem solvingmakes us innovative.
You know, a lot of the biginventions we've had through time
were probably because of a curveball.
(44:04):
It's like, how do we solve this?
Yeah, yeah.
And often, especially in themedical profession, they were trying
to solve something else, andit was an unintended consequence
and it ended up being.
Yeah.
Being the solution.
And the other.
The other thing on that note,too is that.
And I talk about this in thebook, the different personality types.
(44:27):
Right?
There's.
There's four differentpersonality types and then there's
16 subtypes.
So you might look at somebodyand say, well, you know, I want to
be like that person, but I'm not.
Well, I love being on stageand I love doing the keynote speaking,
and it just energizes me.
But I have a sister that.
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That would.
Her worst nightmare.
She's shy.
She.
She doesn't want to be thecenter of attention.
You know, it's Just, it's nother personality, it's mine.
And.
And once you, you know, learnwhat your personality traits is,
sometimes it's a good thing tostudy the four different personality
traits, because then you can identify.
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Oh, that's why they'redifferent than me.
Right?
It's not that.
It's not that I'm broken.
Like, I actually thought I wasbroken because I liked attention
until I realized that thedifferent personality types and what
was going on with mypersonality type, I thought, oh,
you know, like, I was kind ofbrought up.
You're supposed to be humbleand modest and in the background.
(45:30):
And that was the last thing Iwanted to do.
You'll see on my website, Ieven bought myself a keytar so I
could be at the front of thestage instead of the back, because
the vocalist.
So you broke through the mold and.
You figured out who you are.
And I think that's what all ofus need to do.
A lot of us, I think, bouncethrough life and never really know
(45:51):
ourselves.
So this book will get people thinking.
I like it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Self awareness.
Yeah, you hit it.
Self awareness.
And I don't care how old you are.
You know, you could be 20years old and you could be 70 years
old.
It doesn't matter.
You can still, you know,there's people that.
There's one lady got her PhDwhen she was 81.
(46:14):
Why not?
Yeah, why not?
Yeah, why not?
Age is just a number on the calendar.
That's all it is.
It's a human concept, right?
There's old people in their20s, and there's young people in
their 80s.
I've met the old people intheir 20s.
I've heard things.
It's like, what did you just say?
I'm not as young as I used to be.
(46:34):
What?
Oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah.
It's crazy.
And smile a lot, becausesmiling actually.
Oh, I actually heard this onefrom Tony Robbins.
This is a really good one.
If you're all upset aboutsomething and so the negative thoughts
are going on and you're allupset about something, try getting
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mad at the person that you'retrying to get mad at with a big smile
on your face.
You know, vent, vent and whineto me about something.
I'll say, okay, you want tovent to me?
No problem.
But I want you to do it with asmile on your face.
It's impossible because assoon as you smile, your brain thinks
that you're happy at home.
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Get caught in the wozy wozy me place.
A smile actually creates endorphins.
Yes, it does it?
Absolutely does.
Yeah.
So where do people find youagain, Gail, and your book?
Gailtaylormusic.com is mywebsite and my book.
You can get a link to my bookon my website, but you can also find
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my book anywhere that you buya book.
So Amazon, if you do the Eversion of the book.
So Kindle and Apple as well.
And I'm almost done the audioversion and I'm narrating it myself
so you get to listen to my giggles.
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Excellent.
This has been a blast talkingto you, Gail.
I feel better just talking to you.
This is great.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And I really enjoyed talkingto you.
This was pretty cool.
We've covered a lot of topics,but not everything.
Certainly there's so much herethat we have to unpack, but I think
that we got a good start andwe got people maybe thinking in a
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new way.
So we've accomplishedsomething there.
That's great.
Go for it.
That's what I say.
You got this, you got it.
I love it.
Thank you, Gail.
This has been great.
Oh, thanks for having me.
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